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# Fireside Chat with Werner Vogels, VP & CTO, Amazon.com & Daniel Gebler, CTO at Picnic


- **Date:** Friday, Jul 11, 2025
- **Time:** 13:40–14:10 (30 min)
- **Room:** Mainstage
- **Event:** World Congress 2025

## Recording

[Watch recording](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/videos/1405-fireside-chat-with-werner-vogels-vp-cto-amazon-com-daniel-gebler-cto-at-picnic)

## Speakers

### [Daniel Gebler](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/@daniel-gebler)

CTO at Picnic
### [Mike Butcher](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/@mike-butcher)

Journalist, Speaker, Commentator
### [Werner Vogels](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/@werner-vogels)

VP & CTO, Amazon.com


## Related talks at this congress

- [Building Systems that Last](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/events/world-congress-2025/sessions/754-building-systems) — Werner Vogels
- [Fireside Chat with Stephanie Cohen, Chief Strategy Officer, Cloudflare](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/events/world-congress-2025/sessions/857-fireside-chat-with) — Mike Butcher, Stephanie Cohen
- [Fireside Chat with Warren Spector &  John Romero](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/events/world-congress-2025/sessions/915-fireside-chat-with) — Christian Heilmann, John Romero, Warren Spector
- [Check-in & Badge Pickup powered by CARIAD @Volkswagen DRIVE.studio](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/events/world-congress-2025/sessions/486-check-in-badge) — General Program