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# Fireside Chat - In conversation with Werner Vogels, CTO of Amazon.com

Werner Vogels claims rapid AI code generation creates a dangerous new verification debt. Discover how to survive the agentic era by evolving into a systems-thinking Renaissance developer.

- **Speakers:** [Werner Vogels](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/@werner-vogels), [Thomas Pamminger](https://www.wearedevelopers.com/@thomas-pamminger)
- **Event:** World Congress 2026 Europe
- **Published:** July 10, 2026
- **Duration:** 32:29
- **URL:** https://www.wearedevelopers.com/videos/100265-fireside-chat-in-conversation-with-werner-vogels-cto-of-amazon-com
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