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398
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<00:18:46.485>a <00:18:46.685>political <00:18:46.885>actor <00:18:47.084>that <00:18:47.284>spends <00:18:47.485>money <00:18:47.685>unlimited <00:18:47.885>in

399
00:18:49.685 --> 00:18:50.725
<00:18:49.685>political <00:18:50.620>campaigns.

400
00:18:51.135 --> 00:18:54.915
<00:18:51.135>There <00:18:51.335>is <00:18:51.535>a <00:18:51.735>super <00:18:51.935>PAC <00:18:52.135>supporting <00:18:52.335>crypto, <00:18:52.535>uh,

401
00:18:54.945 --> 00:18:59.915
<00:18:54.945>that <00:18:55.178>is <00:18:55.411>funding <00:18:55.645>$100 <00:18:55.878>million <00:18:56.111>into <00:18:56.345>political

402
00:19:00.315 --> 00:19:04.955
<00:19:00.315>campaigns <00:19:00.490>right <00:19:00.665>now <00:19:00.840>to <00:19:01.015>shift <00:19:01.190>candidates <00:19:01.365>from <00:19:01.540>one <00:19:01.715>perspective

403
00:19:05.095 --> 00:19:06.275
<00:19:05.095>to <00:19:05.449>another <00:19:05.803>on <00:19:06.157>crypto.

404
00:19:07.295 --> 00:19:09.395
<00:19:07.295>So <00:19:07.470>keep <00:19:07.645>an <00:19:07.820>eye <00:19:07.995>on <00:19:08.170>how <00:19:08.345>that <00:19:08.520>plays <00:19:08.695>out.

405
00:19:09.395 --> 00:19:10.755
<00:19:09.395>And <00:19:09.599>then <00:19:09.803>the <00:19:10.007>final <00:19:10.211>one <00:19:10.415>for <00:19:10.619>me,

406
00:19:10.755 --> 00:19:13.275
<00:19:10.755>which <00:19:10.988>is <00:19:11.221>the <00:19:11.455>big <00:19:11.688>one, <00:19:11.921>is <00:19:12.155>speech.

407
00:19:14.455 --> 00:19:17.475
<00:19:14.455>We <00:19:14.610>have <00:19:14.766>the <00:19:14.921>first <00:19:15.077>amendment, <00:19:15.232>which <00:19:15.388>says <00:19:15.543>that <00:19:15.699>the <00:19:15.855>government

408
00:19:18.295 --> 00:19:23.105
<00:19:18.295>cannot <00:19:18.645>make <00:19:18.995>any <00:19:19.345>regulations <00:19:19.695>beforehand

409
00:19:23.565 --> 00:19:24.745
<00:19:23.565>to <00:19:24.096>stifle <00:19:24.627>speech.

410
00:19:25.535 --> 00:19:27.425
<00:19:25.535>What <00:19:25.815>does <00:19:26.095>that <00:19:26.375>look <00:19:26.655>like <00:19:26.935>online?

411
00:19:28.805 --> 00:19:30.665
<00:19:28.805>And <00:19:29.038>especially <00:19:29.271>when <00:19:29.505>you <00:19:29.738>think <00:19:29.971>about <00:19:30.205>c

412
00:19:32.155 --> 00:19:35.025
<00:19:32.155>where <00:19:32.504>is <00:19:32.855>misinformation <00:19:33.205>and <00:19:33.555>disinformation?

413
00:19:35.495 --> 00:19:38.105
<00:19:35.495>What <00:19:35.728>can <00:19:35.961>be <00:19:36.195>platformed <00:19:36.428>and <00:19:36.661>de <00:19:36.895>platformed?

414
00:19:38.565 --> 00:19:41.625
<00:19:38.565>And <00:19:38.720>in <00:19:38.876>the <00:19:39.031>next <00:19:39.187>cycle, <00:19:39.342>the <00:19:39.498>United <00:19:39.653>States <00:19:39.809>Supreme <00:19:39.965>Court

415
00:19:42.245 --> 00:19:44.745
<00:19:42.245>is <00:19:42.400>gonna <00:19:42.556>be <00:19:42.711>making <00:19:42.867>a <00:19:43.022>lot <00:19:43.178>of <00:19:43.333>rulings <00:19:43.489>on <00:19:43.645>speech.

416
00:19:44.845 --> 00:19:47.705
<00:19:44.845>And <00:19:45.045>so <00:19:45.245>think <00:19:45.445>about <00:19:45.645>this <00:19:45.845>as <00:19:46.045>the <00:19:46.245>battle

417
00:19:47.775 --> 00:19:49.665
<00:19:47.775>between <00:19:48.055>x <00:19:48.335>on <00:19:48.615>the <00:19:48.895>one <00:19:49.175>hand

418
00:19:51.325 --> 00:19:53.145
<00:19:51.325>and <00:19:51.605>some <00:19:51.885>of <00:19:52.165>the <00:19:52.445>other <00:19:52.725>platforms.

419
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<00:19:54.045>And <00:19:54.395>that's <00:19:54.745>gonna <00:19:55.095>influence <00:19:55.445>politics,

420
00:19:56.565 --> 00:19:57.745
<00:19:56.565>not <00:19:56.777>just <00:19:56.989>in <00:19:57.202>the <00:19:57.414>United <00:19:57.627>States,

421
00:19:57.885 --> 00:20:00.425
<00:19:57.885>but <00:19:58.118>globally <00:19:58.351>for <00:19:58.585>some <00:19:58.818>time <00:19:59.051>to <00:19:59.285>come.

422
00:20:00.485 --> 00:20:04.545
<00:20:00.485>So <00:20:00.640>that's <00:20:00.796>a <00:20:00.951>preview <00:20:01.107>of <00:20:01.262>some <00:20:01.418>big <00:20:01.573>plays <00:20:01.729>that, <00:20:01.885>uh,

423
00:20:04.545 --> 00:20:06.225
<00:20:04.545>influenced <00:20:05.245>democracy. <00:20:05.945>Mm-Hmm.

424
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<00:20:06.875>Thank <00:20:07.155>you. <00:20:07.435>David. <00:20:07.715>When <00:20:07.995>we <00:20:08.275>talked

425
00:20:08.865 --> 00:20:12.505
<00:20:08.865>before, <00:20:09.040>you <00:20:09.215>also <00:20:09.390>mentioned <00:20:09.565>that <00:20:09.740>the <00:20:09.915>free <00:20:10.090>expression <00:20:10.265>part

426
00:20:12.525 --> 00:20:15.345
<00:20:12.525>for <00:20:12.700>us <00:20:12.875>citizens <00:20:13.050>is <00:20:13.225>of <00:20:13.400>a, <00:20:13.575>of <00:20:13.750>big <00:20:13.925>value.

427
00:20:15.345 --> 00:20:16.345
<00:20:15.345>It's <00:20:15.795>very <00:20:16.245>important.

428
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<00:20:16.695>There's <00:20:17.010>a <00:20:17.324>lot <00:20:17.639>of,

429
00:20:18.705 --> 00:20:21.385
<00:20:18.705>I <00:20:18.905>think <00:20:19.105>you <00:20:19.304>said <00:20:19.504>distrust <00:20:19.705>in <00:20:19.905>the <00:20:20.105>government

430
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<00:20:21.515>regulating <00:20:22.212>too <00:20:22.910>much.

431
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<00:20:23.445>Yes. <00:20:23.585>Maybe <00:20:23.725>can <00:20:23.865>you <00:20:24.004>say <00:20:24.145>a <00:20:24.284>few <00:20:24.425>words <00:20:24.564>about <00:20:24.705>this <00:20:24.845>also?

432
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<00:20:26.175>Yeah. <00:20:26.315>So <00:20:26.455>I <00:20:26.595>spent <00:20:26.735>a <00:20:26.875>lot <00:20:27.014>of <00:20:27.155>nights <00:20:27.294>watching <00:20:27.435>voters <00:20:27.575>talking

433
00:20:30.605 --> 00:20:35.305
<00:20:30.605>in <00:20:30.745>focus <00:20:30.885>groups, <00:20:31.025>and <00:20:31.165>I <00:20:31.305>was <00:20:31.445>in, <00:20:31.585>uh, <00:20:31.725>Nevada <00:20:31.865>a <00:20:32.005>couple

434
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<00:20:35.305>of <00:20:35.460>weeks <00:20:35.616>ago, <00:20:35.771>and <00:20:35.927>it <00:20:36.082>was <00:20:36.238>interesting <00:20:36.393>that <00:20:36.549>once <00:20:36.705>misin,

435
00:20:40.005 --> 00:20:44.145
<00:20:40.005>the <00:20:40.238>word <00:20:40.471>misinformation <00:20:40.705>came <00:20:40.938>up, <00:20:41.171>the <00:20:41.405>reaction

436
00:20:44.165 --> 00:20:47.105
<00:20:44.165>of <00:20:44.305>the <00:20:44.445>young <00:20:44.585>man <00:20:44.725>at <00:20:44.865>the <00:20:45.004>table <00:20:45.145>that <00:20:45.284>then <00:20:45.425>was <00:20:45.565>validated

437
00:20:47.185 --> 00:20:49.085
<00:20:47.185>by <00:20:47.385>the <00:20:47.585>other <00:20:47.784>men <00:20:47.985>around <00:20:48.185>the <00:20:48.385>table <00:20:48.585>was

438
00:20:49.795 --> 00:20:54.565
<00:20:49.795>when <00:20:49.995>they <00:20:50.195>hear <00:20:50.395>misinformation, <00:20:50.595>they <00:20:50.795>recoil <00:20:50.995>against <00:20:51.195>it,

439
00:20:55.275 --> 00:20:58.285
<00:20:55.275>because <00:20:55.450>that <00:20:55.625>means <00:20:55.800>that <00:20:55.975>they're <00:20:56.150>someone <00:20:56.325>in <00:20:56.500>the <00:20:56.675>government

440
00:20:59.515 --> 00:21:02.775
<00:20:59.515>who <00:20:59.748>is <00:20:59.981>telling <00:21:00.215>them <00:21:00.448>what <00:21:00.681>is <00:21:00.915>true

441
00:21:02.875 --> 00:21:07.345
<00:21:02.875>and <00:21:03.050>what <00:21:03.225>is <00:21:03.400>not <00:21:03.575>true, <00:21:03.750>what <00:21:03.925>they <00:21:04.100>should <00:21:04.275>follow

442
00:21:07.445 --> 00:21:11.225
<00:21:07.445>and <00:21:07.600>what <00:21:07.756>they <00:21:07.911>shouldn't <00:21:08.067>follow, <00:21:08.222>what <00:21:08.378>words <00:21:08.533>they <00:21:08.689>should <00:21:08.845>use,

443
00:21:11.225 --> 00:21:12.945
<00:21:11.225>and <00:21:11.504>what <00:21:11.784>words <00:21:12.064>they <00:21:12.344>shouldn't <00:21:12.625>use.

444
00:21:13.935 --> 00:21:18.635
<00:21:13.935>And <00:21:14.075>it <00:21:14.215>ran <00:21:14.355>up <00:21:14.495>against <00:21:14.635>this <00:21:14.774>very <00:21:14.915>American, <00:21:15.054>don't <00:21:15.195>tell <00:21:15.335>me

445
00:21:19.545 --> 00:21:22.635
<00:21:19.545>what <00:21:19.745>to <00:21:19.945>believe, <00:21:20.145>what <00:21:20.345>facts <00:21:20.545>I <00:21:20.745>should <00:21:20.945>follow.

446
00:21:23.905 --> 00:21:26.205
<00:21:23.905>And <00:21:24.105>so, <00:21:24.305>but <00:21:24.504>there's <00:21:24.705>a <00:21:24.905>difference <00:21:25.105>between <00:21:25.305>whether

447
00:21:26.225 --> 00:21:29.415
<00:21:26.225>or <00:21:26.574>not <00:21:26.925>the <00:21:27.274>government <00:21:27.625>does

448
00:21:29.415 --> 00:21:32.815
<00:21:29.415>that <00:21:29.881>explicitly <00:21:30.348>versus <00:21:30.815>implicitly.

449
00:21:32.815 --> 00:21:37.455
<00:21:32.815>And <00:21:32.970>so <00:21:33.126>this <00:21:33.281>is <00:21:33.437>where <00:21:33.592>even <00:21:33.748>now, <00:21:33.903>notions <00:21:34.059>of <00:21:34.215>regulating

450
00:21:37.455 --> 00:21:38.815
<00:21:37.455>around <00:21:38.679>misinformation

451
00:21:38.835 --> 00:21:40.935
<00:21:38.835>and <00:21:39.535>disinformation, <00:21:40.235>uh,

452
00:21:40.995 --> 00:21:44.735
<00:21:40.995>you <00:21:41.150>just <00:21:41.306>see <00:21:41.461>the <00:21:41.617>American <00:21:41.772>public <00:21:41.928>pushing <00:21:42.083>back <00:21:42.239>against <00:21:42.395>that

453
00:21:45.835 --> 00:21:49.015
<00:21:45.835>in <00:21:45.990>a <00:21:46.146>way <00:21:46.301>that <00:21:46.457>is <00:21:46.612>a <00:21:46.768>byproduct <00:21:46.923>of <00:21:47.079>what <00:21:47.235>happened

454
00:21:49.015 --> 00:21:52.615
<00:21:49.015>during <00:21:49.190>the <00:21:49.365>pandemic <00:21:49.540>and <00:21:49.715>is <00:21:49.890>affecting <00:21:50.065>the <00:21:50.240>presidential <00:21:50.415>race

455
00:21:53.235 --> 00:21:55.215
<00:21:53.235>and <00:21:53.514>other <00:21:53.794>races <00:21:54.074>throughout <00:21:54.354>the <00:21:54.635>country.

456
00:21:55.915 --> 00:21:58.735
<00:21:55.915>And, <00:21:56.042>and <00:21:56.169>I <00:21:56.296>think <00:21:56.424>it <00:21:56.551>will <00:21:56.678>be <00:21:56.805>a <00:21:56.933>profound <00:21:57.060>effect <00:21:57.187>on <00:21:57.315>our

457
00:21:58.735 --> 00:22:00.655
<00:21:58.735>politics, <00:21:59.201>uh, <00:21:59.668>going <00:22:00.135>forward.

458
00:22:00.715 --> 00:22:01.935
<00:22:00.715>But <00:22:01.081>again, <00:22:01.447>it's <00:22:01.812>very

459
00:22:03.495 --> 00:22:04.495
<00:22:03.495>Opposite. <00:22:03.675>What <00:22:03.854>do <00:22:04.034>you <00:22:04.215>do <00:22:04.395>against

460
00:22:04.495 --> 00:22:04.855
it?

461
00:22:04.975 --> 00:22:08.575
<00:22:04.975>I <00:22:05.130>mean, <00:22:05.286>we, <00:22:05.441>we <00:22:05.597>know <00:22:05.752>how <00:22:05.908>dangerous <00:22:06.063>misinformation <00:22:06.219>can <00:22:06.375>be,

462
00:22:08.575 --> 00:22:12.015
<00:22:08.575>especially <00:22:08.750>if <00:22:08.925>it's <00:22:09.100>driven <00:22:09.275>by, <00:22:09.450>um, <00:22:09.625>by <00:22:09.800>foreign <00:22:09.975>actors.

463
00:22:12.915 --> 00:22:14.455
<00:22:12.915>Um, <00:22:13.261>but <00:22:13.608>also <00:22:13.954>internal <00:22:14.301>actors.

464
00:22:14.615 --> 00:22:16.575
<00:22:14.615>I <00:22:14.742>mean, <00:22:14.869>it's, <00:22:14.996>uh, <00:22:15.124>there <00:22:15.251>are <00:22:15.378>all <00:22:15.505>kinds <00:22:15.633>of <00:22:15.760>rules <00:22:15.887>about <00:22:16.015>lobby

465
00:22:16.595 --> 00:22:18.615
<00:22:16.595>and <00:22:16.770>stuff, <00:22:16.945>and <00:22:17.120>this <00:22:17.295>is <00:22:17.470>actually, <00:22:17.645>um, <00:22:17.820>now <00:22:17.995>we,

466
00:22:18.635 --> 00:22:20.535
<00:22:18.635>in <00:22:18.915>our <00:22:19.195>subconscious, <00:22:19.475>we <00:22:19.754>get <00:22:20.035>informed

467
00:22:21.195 --> 00:22:23.295
<00:22:21.195>of <00:22:21.350>wrong <00:22:21.506>view. <00:22:21.661>So <00:22:21.817>what <00:22:21.972>do <00:22:22.128>we <00:22:22.283>do <00:22:22.439>against <00:22:22.595>it?

468
00:22:23.325 --> 00:22:25.095
<00:22:23.325>Yeah, <00:22:23.605>so <00:22:23.885>different <00:22:24.165>schools <00:22:24.445>of <00:22:24.725>thoughts.

469
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<00:22:25.125>There's <00:22:25.265>the <00:22:25.405>one <00:22:25.545>school <00:22:25.685>of <00:22:25.825>thought, <00:22:25.965>which <00:22:26.105>is, <00:22:26.245>look, <00:22:26.385>in <00:22:26.525>order

470
00:22:28.795 --> 00:22:31.455
<00:22:28.795>to <00:22:29.028>get <00:22:29.261>at <00:22:29.495>truth, <00:22:29.728>you <00:22:29.961>just <00:22:30.195>need

471
00:22:31.455 --> 00:22:33.495
<00:22:31.455>to <00:22:31.735>let <00:22:32.014>a <00:22:32.294>thousand <00:22:32.574>flowers <00:22:32.855>bloom.

472
00:22:34.235 --> 00:22:36.175
<00:22:34.235>And <00:22:34.468>that <00:22:34.701>you <00:22:34.935>have <00:22:35.168>to <00:22:35.401>trust <00:22:35.635>in,

473
00:22:36.445 --> 00:22:38.015
<00:22:36.445>because <00:22:36.911>the <00:22:37.378>paradox <00:22:37.845>is,

474
00:22:38.075 --> 00:22:42.455
<00:22:38.075>if <00:22:38.215>in <00:22:38.355>a <00:22:38.495>democracy <00:22:38.635>the <00:22:38.775>people <00:22:38.915>are <00:22:39.055>sovereign, <00:22:39.195>then <00:22:39.335>you <00:22:39.475>have

475
00:22:42.455 --> 00:22:43.775
<00:22:42.455>to <00:22:42.752>give <00:22:43.049>them <00:22:43.346>enough <00:22:43.643>trust

476
00:22:44.835 --> 00:22:46.895
<00:22:44.835>to <00:22:45.035>decide <00:22:45.235>what's <00:22:45.435>true <00:22:45.635>and <00:22:45.835>what <00:22:46.035>isn't <00:22:46.235>true.

477
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<00:22:47.355>So <00:22:47.617>that's <00:22:47.880>one <00:22:48.143>school <00:22:48.406>of <00:22:48.669>thought.

478
00:22:49.325 --> 00:22:52.135
<00:22:49.325>Another <00:22:49.500>school <00:22:49.675>of <00:22:49.850>thought <00:22:50.025>is, <00:22:50.200>especially <00:22:50.375>when <00:22:50.550>it <00:22:50.725>comes

479
00:22:52.135 --> 00:22:55.615
<00:22:52.135>to <00:22:52.335>foreign <00:22:52.535>actors, <00:22:52.735>that <00:22:52.935>even <00:22:53.135>while <00:22:53.335>you're <00:22:53.535>letting

480
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<00:22:55.725>essentially <00:22:55.899>the <00:22:56.074>discourse <00:22:56.250>flow <00:22:56.425>out, <00:22:56.600>what <00:22:56.774>can <00:22:56.949>you <00:22:57.125>do

481
00:23:00.375 --> 00:23:03.775
<00:23:00.375>to <00:23:00.575>block <00:23:00.775>foreign <00:23:00.975>actors <00:23:01.175>from <00:23:01.375>influencing <00:23:01.575>it <00:23:01.775>in

482
00:23:03.835 --> 00:23:04.935
<00:23:03.835>any <00:23:04.082>way, <00:23:04.330>shape <00:23:04.577>or <00:23:04.825>form?

483
00:23:05.035 --> 00:23:08.535
<00:23:05.035>So <00:23:05.210>I <00:23:05.385>think <00:23:05.560>Constantine, <00:23:05.735>where <00:23:05.910>the <00:23:06.085>consensus <00:23:06.260>will <00:23:06.435>arise,

484
00:23:08.905 --> 00:23:11.375
<00:23:08.905>which <00:23:09.060>is <00:23:09.216>why <00:23:09.371>the <00:23:09.527>TikTok <00:23:09.682>ban <00:23:09.838>in <00:23:09.993>the <00:23:10.149>United <00:23:10.305>States

485
00:23:11.915 --> 00:23:13.535
<00:23:11.915>wasn't <00:23:12.381>about <00:23:12.848>the <00:23:13.315>platform,

486
00:23:14.315 --> 00:23:17.675
<00:23:14.315>but <00:23:14.515>it <00:23:14.715>was <00:23:14.915>about <00:23:15.115>ownership <00:23:15.315>of <00:23:15.515>the <00:23:15.715>platform.

487
00:23:18.535 --> 00:23:22.555
<00:23:18.535>That's <00:23:18.662>where <00:23:18.789>I <00:23:18.916>think <00:23:19.044>you <00:23:19.171>begin <00:23:19.298>to <00:23:19.425>see <00:23:19.553>a <00:23:19.680>consensus <00:23:19.807>to <00:23:19.935>kind

488
00:23:22.555 --> 00:23:26.855
<00:23:22.555>of <00:23:22.710>thread <00:23:22.866>that <00:23:23.021>needle <00:23:23.177>between <00:23:23.332>what <00:23:23.488>are <00:23:23.643>the <00:23:23.799>foreign <00:23:23.955>elements

489
00:23:27.435 --> 00:23:31.895
<00:23:27.435>and <00:23:27.590>then <00:23:27.746>what <00:23:27.901>is <00:23:28.057>the <00:23:28.212>much <00:23:28.368>more <00:23:28.523>classic <00:23:28.679>liberal <00:23:28.835>view

490
00:23:32.875 --> 00:23:37.095
<00:23:32.875>of <00:23:33.015>discourse <00:23:33.155>in <00:23:33.295>what <00:23:33.435>you <00:23:33.575>should <00:23:33.715>allow <00:23:33.855>as <00:23:33.995>part <00:23:34.135>of <00:23:34.275>it

491
00:23:37.965 --> 00:23:40.095
<00:23:37.965>different <00:23:38.139>in <00:23:38.314>the <00:23:38.490>United <00:23:38.665>States <00:23:38.840>than <00:23:39.014>in <00:23:39.189>other <00:23:39.365>places.

492
00:23:40.195 --> 00:23:41.195
Mm-Hmm.

493
00:23:42.155 --> 00:23:44.015
<00:23:42.155>Yes. <00:23:42.388>I <00:23:42.621>was <00:23:42.855>just <00:23:43.088>looking <00:23:43.321>at <00:23:43.555>Vera

494
00:23:44.015 --> 00:23:46.245
<00:23:44.015>because <00:23:44.248>I <00:23:44.481>was <00:23:44.715>thinking <00:23:44.948>in <00:23:45.181>an <00:23:45.415>autocracy

495
00:23:46.245 --> 00:23:47.685
<00:23:46.245>that <00:23:46.569>might <00:23:46.893>be <00:23:47.216>very <00:23:47.541>different.

496
00:23:47.685 --> 00:23:49.445
<00:23:47.685>What <00:23:48.034>are <00:23:48.385>your <00:23:48.735>experiences, <00:23:49.085>Vera,

497
00:23:49.615 --> 00:23:53.925
<00:23:49.615>concerning <00:23:49.815>trust <00:23:50.015>in <00:23:50.215>technology, <00:23:50.415>trust <00:23:50.615>in <00:23:50.815>the <00:23:51.015>government?

498
00:23:55.115 --> 00:23:57.525
<00:23:55.115>Well, <00:23:55.255>I <00:23:55.395>think <00:23:55.535>it's <00:23:55.675>very <00:23:55.815>crucial <00:23:55.955>that <00:23:56.095>we <00:23:56.235>find <00:23:56.375>the <00:23:56.515>balance

499
00:23:57.745 --> 00:24:00.005
<00:23:57.745>of <00:23:58.024>using <00:23:58.304>technology <00:23:58.584>as <00:23:58.864>a <00:23:59.145>tool

500
00:24:00.005 --> 00:24:02.125
<00:24:00.005>for <00:24:00.355>empowerment <00:24:00.705>rather <00:24:01.055>than <00:24:01.405>manipulation,

501
00:24:02.535 --> 00:24:05.965
<00:24:02.535>which <00:24:02.690>is <00:24:02.846>happening <00:24:03.001>in, <00:24:03.157>you <00:24:03.312>know, <00:24:03.468>in <00:24:03.623>many <00:24:03.779>Western <00:24:03.935>countries.

502
00:24:06.625 --> 00:24:10.565
<00:24:06.625>Um, <00:24:06.800>technology <00:24:06.975>has <00:24:07.150>been <00:24:07.325>so <00:24:07.500>beneficial <00:24:07.675>for <00:24:07.850>the <00:24:08.025>region

503
00:24:10.565 --> 00:24:12.525
<00:24:10.565>where <00:24:10.740>I <00:24:10.915>spent <00:24:11.090>the <00:24:11.265>last <00:24:11.440>10 <00:24:11.615>years, <00:24:11.790>for <00:24:11.965>example.

504
00:24:12.645 --> 00:24:15.445
<00:24:12.645>I <00:24:12.772>mean, <00:24:12.899>some <00:24:13.026>of <00:24:13.154>you <00:24:13.281>will <00:24:13.408>know <00:24:13.535>every <00:24:13.663>third <00:24:13.790>person <00:24:13.917>is <00:24:14.045>still

505
00:24:15.485 --> 00:24:16.845
<00:24:15.485>unbanked <00:24:15.791>in <00:24:16.097>the <00:24:16.403>Middle <00:24:16.709>East.

506
00:24:17.305 --> 00:24:20.925
<00:24:17.305>So <00:24:17.585>FinTech <00:24:17.865>has <00:24:18.145>been <00:24:18.425>incredibly <00:24:18.705>powerful

507
00:24:20.985 --> 00:24:24.445
<00:24:20.985>and <00:24:21.159>empowering <00:24:21.334>for <00:24:21.510>people <00:24:21.685>or <00:24:21.860>also, <00:24:22.034>um, <00:24:22.209>during <00:24:22.385>Covid,

508
00:24:24.505 --> 00:24:27.245
<00:24:24.505>and <00:24:24.705>constant <00:24:24.905>alluded <00:24:25.105>to <00:24:25.305>it <00:24:25.505>earlier <00:24:25.705>during <00:24:25.905>Covid,

509
00:24:27.275 --> 00:24:30.565
<00:24:27.275>when <00:24:27.415>you <00:24:27.555>couldn't <00:24:27.695>really <00:24:27.835>go <00:24:27.975>to <00:24:28.115>doctors <00:24:28.255>in, <00:24:28.395>in <00:24:28.535>the <00:24:28.675>UAE

510
00:24:30.565 --> 00:24:32.965
<00:24:30.565>that <00:24:30.720>we <00:24:30.876>suddenly <00:24:31.031>had, <00:24:31.187>I <00:24:31.342>guess <00:24:31.498>in <00:24:31.653>the <00:24:31.809>whole <00:24:31.965>world

511
00:24:32.965 --> 00:24:35.685
<00:24:32.965>that <00:24:33.120>you <00:24:33.276>had <00:24:33.431>the <00:24:33.587>medical <00:24:33.742>assistants <00:24:33.898>on <00:24:34.053>your <00:24:34.209>phone <00:24:34.365>was

512
00:24:35.685 --> 00:24:38.365
<00:24:35.685>beneficial <00:24:35.860>because <00:24:36.034>before <00:24:36.210>that <00:24:36.385>we, <00:24:36.560>even <00:24:36.735>the <00:24:36.909>Middle <00:24:37.085>East,

513
00:24:38.385 --> 00:24:40.445
<00:24:38.385>we <00:24:38.512>didn't <00:24:38.639>have <00:24:38.766>as <00:24:38.894>many <00:24:39.021>doctors <00:24:39.148>as <00:24:39.275>you <00:24:39.403>have <00:24:39.530>in <00:24:39.657>the <00:24:39.785>west.

514
00:24:40.525 --> 00:24:42.525
<00:24:40.525>In <00:24:40.680>the <00:24:40.836>West <00:24:40.991>you <00:24:41.147>have <00:24:41.302>usually <00:24:41.458>like <00:24:41.613>one <00:24:41.769>to <00:24:41.925>four.

515
00:24:42.525 --> 00:24:45.285
<00:24:42.525>In <00:24:42.652>the <00:24:42.779>Middle <00:24:42.906>East, <00:24:43.034>it <00:24:43.161>was <00:24:43.288>one <00:24:43.415>to <00:24:43.543>two <00:24:43.670>doctors, <00:24:43.797>which <00:24:43.925>is,

516
00:24:45.285 --> 00:24:47.285
<00:24:45.285>you <00:24:45.565>know, <00:24:45.845>not, <00:24:46.125>uh, <00:24:46.405>high <00:24:46.685>statistics.

517
00:24:47.985 --> 00:24:52.285
<00:24:47.985>Um, <00:24:48.185>on <00:24:48.385>the <00:24:48.584>question <00:24:48.784>of <00:24:48.985>trust, <00:24:49.185>well, <00:24:49.385>uh,

518
00:24:52.375 --> 00:24:54.005
<00:24:52.375>there <00:24:52.550>is <00:24:52.725>a <00:24:52.900>lot <00:24:53.075>of <00:24:53.250>trust <00:24:53.425>in <00:24:53.600>the <00:24:53.775>government

519
00:24:54.025 --> 00:24:56.405
<00:24:54.025>and <00:24:54.225>sometimes <00:24:54.425>it <00:24:54.625>helps <00:24:54.825>to <00:24:55.025>be <00:24:55.225>top <00:24:55.425>down

520
00:24:56.405 --> 00:24:59.005
<00:24:56.405>because <00:24:56.580>when <00:24:56.754>you <00:24:56.930>countries <00:24:57.105>being <00:24:57.280>run <00:24:57.455>as <00:24:57.629>a <00:24:57.805>startup,

521
00:24:59.495 --> 00:25:01.125
<00:24:59.495>which <00:24:59.728>is <00:24:59.961>the <00:25:00.195>case <00:25:00.428>in <00:25:00.661>the <00:25:00.895>UAE

522
00:25:01.125 --> 00:25:02.405
<00:25:01.125>and <00:25:01.413>decisions <00:25:01.701>are <00:25:01.989>being <00:25:02.277>made,

523
00:25:02.675 --> 00:25:04.925
<00:25:02.675>then <00:25:02.875>nobody <00:25:03.075>really <00:25:03.274>debates <00:25:03.475>against <00:25:03.675>it, <00:25:03.875>as <00:25:04.075>long

524
00:25:04.925 --> 00:25:07.685
<00:25:04.925>as <00:25:05.065>those <00:25:05.205>decisions <00:25:05.345>are <00:25:05.485>good <00:25:05.625>for <00:25:05.764>the <00:25:05.905>people <00:25:06.044>of <00:25:06.185>the <00:25:06.325>country,

525
00:25:09.625 --> 00:25:11.925
<00:25:09.625>you <00:25:09.765>know, <00:25:09.905>I <00:25:10.045>don't <00:25:10.185>think <00:25:10.325>there <00:25:10.465>are <00:25:10.605>any <00:25:10.745>problems <00:25:10.885>with <00:25:11.025>that.

526
00:25:12.425 --> 00:25:14.205
<00:25:12.425>Of <00:25:12.565>course, <00:25:12.705>you <00:25:12.845>know, <00:25:12.985>we <00:25:13.125>have <00:25:13.264>still <00:25:13.405>have <00:25:13.544>to <00:25:13.685>be <00:25:13.825>vigilant.

527
00:25:14.205 --> 00:25:18.685
<00:25:14.205>There's, <00:25:14.345>um, <00:25:14.485>I, <00:25:14.625>I <00:25:14.764>understand <00:25:14.905>there's <00:25:15.044>not <00:25:15.185>maybe <00:25:15.324>as <00:25:15.465>much, <00:25:15.605>uh,

528
00:25:18.685 --> 00:25:20.645
<00:25:18.685>freedom <00:25:18.918>of <00:25:19.151>speech <00:25:19.385>as <00:25:19.618>in <00:25:19.851>other <00:25:20.085>countries,

529
00:25:21.265 --> 00:25:24.845
<00:25:21.265>but, <00:25:21.731>um, <00:25:22.198>the <00:25:22.665>safety

530
00:25:24.985 --> 00:25:27.965
<00:25:24.985>and <00:25:25.125>security <00:25:25.264>for <00:25:25.405>me <00:25:25.544>as <00:25:25.685>a <00:25:25.824>woman, <00:25:25.965>I <00:25:26.104>must <00:25:26.245>say <00:25:26.385>outweighs

531
00:25:27.965 --> 00:25:31.605
<00:25:27.965>that <00:25:28.092>if <00:25:28.219>I <00:25:28.346>can <00:25:28.474>feel <00:25:28.601>safe <00:25:28.728>walking <00:25:28.855>home <00:25:28.983>alone <00:25:29.110>at, <00:25:29.237>you <00:25:29.365>know,

532
00:25:31.605 --> 00:25:36.285
<00:25:31.605>11:00 <00:25:31.721>PM <00:25:31.838>at <00:25:31.955>night, <00:25:32.071>um, <00:25:32.188>and <00:25:32.305>I <00:25:32.421>feel <00:25:32.538>that <00:25:32.655>in <00:25:32.771>Dubai <00:25:32.888>Abu <00:25:33.005>Dhabi

533
00:25:36.285 --> 00:25:39.125
<00:25:36.285>or <00:25:36.485>Riyadh, <00:25:36.685>then, <00:25:36.885>um, <00:25:37.085>you <00:25:37.285>know, <00:25:37.485>for <00:25:37.685>me,

534
00:25:39.525 --> 00:25:42.085
<00:25:39.525>I <00:25:39.665>don't <00:25:39.805>mind <00:25:39.945>giving <00:25:40.085>up <00:25:40.225>a <00:25:40.365>bit <00:25:40.505>of <00:25:40.645>privacy <00:25:40.785>for <00:25:40.925>that.

535
00:25:42.585 --> 00:25:44.045
<00:25:42.585>You <00:25:42.847>know, <00:25:43.110>of <00:25:43.373>course <00:25:43.636>it's <00:25:43.899>debatable,

536
00:25:44.065 --> 00:25:45.725
<00:25:44.065>but <00:25:44.298>you <00:25:44.531>know, <00:25:44.765>it's <00:25:44.998>a <00:25:45.231>personal <00:25:45.465>decision.

537
00:25:46.145 --> 00:25:48.045
<00:25:46.145>So <00:25:46.300>yes, <00:25:46.456>there's <00:25:46.611>a <00:25:46.767>lot <00:25:46.922>of <00:25:47.078>trust <00:25:47.233>in <00:25:47.389>the <00:25:47.545>government,

538
00:25:48.045 --> 00:25:50.365
<00:25:48.045>especially <00:25:48.245>in <00:25:48.445>Saudi <00:25:48.645>Arabia <00:25:48.845>with <00:25:49.045>the <00:25:49.245>vision <00:25:49.445>2030.

539
00:25:50.915 --> 00:25:53.325
<00:25:50.915>It's <00:25:51.115>impressive <00:25:51.315>how <00:25:51.514>young <00:25:51.715>people <00:25:51.915>are <00:25:52.115>really <00:25:52.315>standing

540
00:25:53.325 --> 00:25:54.365
<00:25:53.325>behind <00:25:53.793>the <00:25:54.261>government.

541
00:25:54.605 --> 00:25:57.485
<00:25:54.605>I <00:25:54.760>recently <00:25:54.916>had <00:25:55.071>the <00:25:55.227>opportunity <00:25:55.382>to <00:25:55.538>chat <00:25:55.693>with <00:25:55.849>the <00:25:56.005>Minister

542
00:25:57.485 --> 00:25:59.485
<00:25:57.485>of <00:25:57.685>Foreign <00:25:57.885>Affairs <00:25:58.084>at <00:25:58.284>the <00:25:58.485>World <00:25:58.685>Economic <00:25:58.885>Forum.

543
00:25:59.945 --> 00:26:02.565
<00:25:59.945>It <00:26:00.061>was <00:26:00.178>a <00:26:00.294>panel <00:26:00.411>like <00:26:00.528>this <00:26:00.645>with <00:26:00.761>him <00:26:00.878>and <00:26:00.995>a <00:26:01.111>couple <00:26:01.228>of <00:26:01.345>students,

544
00:26:03.065 --> 00:26:06.165
<00:26:03.065>and <00:26:03.181>it <00:26:03.298>was <00:26:03.415>saying <00:26:03.531>how <00:26:03.648>they, <00:26:03.765>they <00:26:03.881>study <00:26:03.998>in <00:26:04.115>the <00:26:04.231>US <00:26:04.348>on <00:26:04.465>Europe,

545
00:26:06.195 --> 00:26:09.565
<00:26:06.195>they <00:26:06.335>come <00:26:06.475>back <00:26:06.615>to <00:26:06.754>Saudi <00:26:06.895>to <00:26:07.034>actually <00:26:07.175>give <00:26:07.314>back, <00:26:07.455>you <00:26:07.595>know,

546
00:26:09.585 --> 00:26:10.685
<00:26:09.585>the <00:26:09.915>knowledge <00:26:10.245>because <00:26:10.575>there's

547
00:26:10.685 --> 00:26:13.325
<00:26:10.685>so <00:26:10.860>much <00:26:11.034>belief <00:26:11.210>in <00:26:11.385>this <00:26:11.560>vision <00:26:11.735>2030, <00:26:11.909>which <00:26:12.085>will

548
00:26:14.085 --> 00:26:16.045
<00:26:14.085>position <00:26:14.260>the <00:26:14.435>country <00:26:14.610>as <00:26:14.785>one <00:26:14.960>of <00:26:15.135>the <00:26:15.310>most, <00:26:15.485>um,

549
00:26:16.785 --> 00:26:19.095
<00:26:16.785>innovative <00:26:17.065>country <00:26:17.345>on, <00:26:17.625>on <00:26:17.905>the <00:26:18.185>planet.

550
00:26:19.095 --> 00:26:20.135
<00:26:19.095>That's, <00:26:19.407>that's <00:26:19.719>their <00:26:20.031>goal.

551
00:26:22.225 --> 00:26:24.695
<00:26:22.225>Thank <00:26:22.425>you, <00:26:22.625>Vera. <00:26:22.824>We <00:26:23.024>are <00:26:23.225>approaching <00:26:23.425>the <00:26:23.625>end

552
00:26:24.695 --> 00:26:26.775
<00:26:24.695>of <00:26:24.850>the <00:26:25.006>panel <00:26:25.161>already, <00:26:25.317>which <00:26:25.472>is <00:26:25.628>why <00:26:25.783>I <00:26:25.939>would <00:26:26.095>like

553
00:26:26.775 --> 00:26:29.175
<00:26:26.775>to <00:26:26.950>make <00:26:27.125>a <00:26:27.300>last <00:26:27.475>short <00:26:27.650>round <00:26:27.825>with <00:26:28.000>you <00:26:28.175>guys.

554
00:26:30.155 --> 00:26:32.855
<00:26:30.155>Do <00:26:30.388>you <00:26:30.621>have <00:26:30.855>one <00:26:31.088>take <00:26:31.321>home <00:26:31.555>message

555
00:26:33.035 --> 00:26:35.655
<00:26:33.035>for <00:26:33.190>everybody <00:26:33.346>who's <00:26:33.501>here <00:26:33.657>today <00:26:33.812>and, <00:26:33.968>uh, <00:26:34.123>in <00:26:34.279>one <00:26:34.435>week

556
00:26:35.755 --> 00:26:38.895
<00:26:35.755>and <00:26:35.895>one <00:26:36.035>year <00:26:36.175>thinks <00:26:36.315>back <00:26:36.455>to <00:26:36.595>this <00:26:36.735>panel <00:26:36.875>about <00:26:37.015>the <00:26:37.155>impact

557
00:26:38.895 --> 00:26:40.015
<00:26:38.895>of <00:26:39.231>technology <00:26:39.567>on <00:26:39.903>democracy?

558
00:26:40.285 --> 00:26:43.485
<00:26:40.285>What <00:26:40.440>is <00:26:40.596>one <00:26:40.751>sentence, <00:26:40.907>one <00:26:41.062>quote <00:26:41.218>that <00:26:41.373>you <00:26:41.529>would <00:26:41.685>like

559
00:26:43.995 --> 00:26:45.125
<00:26:43.995>them <00:26:44.249>to <00:26:44.503>take <00:26:44.757>with <00:26:45.012>them?

560
00:26:49.175 --> 00:26:50.295
<00:26:49.175>I <00:26:49.427>know <00:26:49.679>it's <00:26:49.931>difficult, <00:26:50.183>David.

561
00:26:52.355 --> 00:26:54.615
<00:26:52.355>So <00:26:52.555>just <00:26:52.755>the, <00:26:52.955>the <00:26:53.155>one <00:26:53.355>thing, <00:26:53.555>just <00:26:53.755>echoing

562
00:26:54.615 --> 00:26:56.975
<00:26:54.615>what <00:26:54.965>I <00:26:55.315>said <00:26:55.665>yesterday, <00:26:56.015>um,

563
00:26:57.235 --> 00:27:00.575
<00:26:57.235>the <00:26:57.409>people <00:26:57.584>in <00:26:57.760>this <00:26:57.935>room <00:26:58.110>have <00:26:58.284>a <00:26:58.459>disproportionate <00:26:58.635>impact

564
00:27:02.055 --> 00:27:04.075
<00:27:02.055>on <00:27:02.521>behaviors <00:27:02.988>throughout <00:27:03.455>society.

565
00:27:05.575 --> 00:27:07.235
<00:27:05.575>And <00:27:05.855>so <00:27:06.135>in <00:27:06.415>what <00:27:06.695>you <00:27:06.975>do

566
00:27:07.255 --> 00:27:12.175
<00:27:07.255>and <00:27:07.362>in <00:27:07.470>how <00:27:07.578>you <00:27:07.685>do <00:27:07.793>it, <00:27:07.901>doing <00:27:08.008>the <00:27:08.116>things <00:27:08.224>that <00:27:08.331>you <00:27:08.439>need <00:27:08.547>to <00:27:08.655>do

567
00:27:12.195 --> 00:27:14.375
<00:27:12.195>for <00:27:12.428>your <00:27:12.661>business <00:27:12.895>and <00:27:13.128>for <00:27:13.361>your <00:27:13.595>companies,

568
00:27:14.375 --> 00:27:17.735
<00:27:14.375>but <00:27:14.550>at <00:27:14.725>the <00:27:14.900>same <00:27:15.075>time, <00:27:15.250>taking <00:27:15.425>that <00:27:15.600>same <00:27:15.775>approach

569
00:27:17.835 --> 00:27:22.135
<00:27:17.835>and <00:27:18.068>creativity <00:27:18.301>as <00:27:18.535>developers <00:27:18.768>in <00:27:19.001>engaging <00:27:19.235>in

570
00:27:22.645 --> 00:27:26.175
<00:27:22.645>democracy <00:27:22.878>and <00:27:23.111>society <00:27:23.345>with <00:27:23.578>the <00:27:23.811>same <00:27:24.045>level

571
00:27:26.195 --> 00:27:27.855
<00:27:26.195>of <00:27:26.661>intensity <00:27:27.128>as <00:27:27.595>essential.

572
00:27:28.115 --> 00:27:29.975
<00:27:28.115>And <00:27:28.465>so <00:27:28.815>please <00:27:29.165>do <00:27:29.515>that.

573
00:27:32.675 --> 00:27:34.655
<00:27:32.675>Um, <00:27:33.375>well, <00:27:34.075>personally,

574
00:27:34.735 --> 00:27:37.335
<00:27:34.735>I <00:27:34.909>think <00:27:35.084>you <00:27:35.260>have <00:27:35.435>an <00:27:35.610>incredible <00:27:35.784>responsibility, <00:27:35.959>which, <00:27:36.135>um,

575
00:27:37.985 --> 00:27:42.215
<00:27:37.985>which <00:27:38.125>I <00:27:38.264>would <00:27:38.405>be <00:27:38.544>fearful <00:27:38.685>of, <00:27:38.824>of, <00:27:38.965>of, <00:27:39.104>uh, <00:27:39.245>basically <00:27:39.385>taking

576
00:27:42.395 --> 00:27:45.095
<00:27:42.395>of, <00:27:42.535>because <00:27:42.675>I <00:27:42.815>see <00:27:42.955>in <00:27:43.095>everyday <00:27:43.235>life <00:27:43.375>that <00:27:43.514>I <00:27:43.655>have <00:27:43.795>all

577
00:27:45.095 --> 00:27:47.735
<00:27:45.095>of <00:27:45.270>perceptions, <00:27:45.445>and <00:27:45.620>then <00:27:45.795>once <00:27:45.970>I <00:27:46.145>get <00:27:46.320>challenged <00:27:46.495>by,

578
00:27:47.875 --> 00:27:51.295
<00:27:47.875>by <00:27:48.075>different <00:27:48.275>kinds <00:27:48.475>of <00:27:48.675>people, <00:27:48.875>um, <00:27:49.075>in <00:27:49.275>fact,

579
00:27:51.295 --> 00:27:53.855
<00:27:51.295>the <00:27:51.450>reality <00:27:51.606>seems <00:27:51.761>is <00:27:51.917>different <00:27:52.072>or <00:27:52.228>there <00:27:52.383>are <00:27:52.539>many <00:27:52.695>realities.

580
00:27:54.315 --> 00:27:58.855
<00:27:54.315>So <00:27:54.470>I, <00:27:54.626>I'm <00:27:54.781>capturing <00:27:54.937>something <00:27:55.092>in <00:27:55.248>code, <00:27:55.403>um, <00:27:55.559>that <00:27:55.715>is

581
00:27:58.855 --> 00:28:01.575
<00:27:58.855>so <00:27:59.088>fluid <00:27:59.321>in <00:27:59.555>terms <00:27:59.788>of, <00:28:00.021>um, <00:28:00.255>visions,

582
00:28:01.575 --> 00:28:02.855
<00:28:01.575>perceptions <00:28:01.959>and <00:28:02.343>et <00:28:02.727>cetera.

583
00:28:02.855 --> 00:28:04.415
<00:28:02.855>And <00:28:03.088>then <00:28:03.321>you <00:28:03.555>come <00:28:03.788>with <00:28:04.021>an <00:28:04.255>outcome.

584
00:28:04.415 --> 00:28:07.535
<00:28:04.415>And <00:28:04.590>that <00:28:04.764>outcome <00:28:04.940>actually, <00:28:05.115>um, <00:28:05.290>is, <00:28:05.465>will <00:28:05.639>have <00:28:05.815>a,

585
00:28:07.535 --> 00:28:11.375
<00:28:07.535>have <00:28:07.710>an <00:28:07.885>impact <00:28:08.060>on <00:28:08.235>how <00:28:08.410>people, <00:28:08.585>um, <00:28:08.760>um, <00:28:08.935>interact,

586
00:28:11.475 --> 00:28:12.495
<00:28:11.475>how <00:28:11.934>people <00:28:12.392>consume.

587
00:28:12.515 --> 00:28:14.975
<00:28:12.515>And <00:28:12.642>all <00:28:12.769>that <00:28:12.896>means <00:28:13.024>that <00:28:13.151>you <00:28:13.278>are <00:28:13.405>actually <00:28:13.533>bringing <00:28:13.660>in <00:28:13.787>a <00:28:13.915>lot

588
00:28:14.975 --> 00:28:18.375
<00:28:14.975>of <00:28:15.175>those <00:28:15.375>implicit <00:28:15.574>values <00:28:15.774>into, <00:28:15.975>into <00:28:16.175>your <00:28:16.375>product.

589
00:28:19.035 --> 00:28:23.575
<00:28:19.035>So, <00:28:19.190>um, <00:28:19.346>to <00:28:19.501>challenge <00:28:19.657>yourself <00:28:19.812>at <00:28:19.968>the <00:28:20.123>front <00:28:20.279>to, <00:28:20.435>uh,

590
00:28:23.715 --> 00:28:27.415
<00:28:23.715>to <00:28:23.948>try <00:28:24.181>to <00:28:24.415>reduce, <00:28:24.648>um, <00:28:24.881>biases, <00:28:25.115>uh,

591
00:28:27.745 --> 00:28:30.295
<00:28:27.745>there <00:28:27.919>might <00:28:28.094>be <00:28:28.270>gender <00:28:28.445>biases, <00:28:28.620>all <00:28:28.794>kinds <00:28:28.969>of, <00:28:29.145>uh,

592
00:28:30.295 --> 00:28:32.055
<00:28:30.295>biases <00:28:30.645>towards <00:28:30.995>different, <00:28:31.345>different <00:28:31.695>groups

593
00:28:32.055 --> 00:28:34.375
<00:28:32.055>that <00:28:32.288>you <00:28:32.521>don't <00:28:32.755>usually <00:28:32.988>interact <00:28:33.221>with, <00:28:33.455>uh,

594
00:28:34.395 --> 00:28:35.935
<00:28:34.395>and <00:28:34.626>you <00:28:34.857>don't <00:28:35.088>really <00:28:35.319>know <00:28:35.550>their <00:28:35.781>behavior.

595
00:28:36.455 --> 00:28:39.855
<00:28:36.455>I <00:28:36.582>mean, <00:28:36.709>I <00:28:36.836>would, <00:28:36.964>I <00:28:37.091>would, <00:28:37.218>you <00:28:37.345>know, <00:28:37.473>challenge <00:28:37.600>you <00:28:37.727>to, <00:28:37.855>um,

596
00:28:40.595 --> 00:28:43.295
<00:28:40.595>to, <00:28:40.770>to, <00:28:40.945>to <00:28:41.120>reach <00:28:41.295>out <00:28:41.470>as <00:28:41.645>much <00:28:41.820>as <00:28:41.995>possible

597
00:28:43.315 --> 00:28:46.695
<00:28:43.315>to <00:28:43.470>different <00:28:43.626>groups, <00:28:43.781>get <00:28:43.937>inspired <00:28:44.092>by, <00:28:44.248>by <00:28:44.403>different <00:28:44.559>ideas <00:28:44.715>so

598
00:28:46.695 --> 00:28:49.375
<00:28:46.695>that <00:28:46.895>you, <00:28:47.095>uh, <00:28:47.294>once <00:28:47.495>you <00:28:47.695>code <00:28:47.895>you, <00:28:48.095>you,

599
00:28:49.555 --> 00:28:52.015
<00:28:49.555>you <00:28:49.730>don't <00:28:49.905>just <00:28:50.080>code <00:28:50.255>from <00:28:50.430>your <00:28:50.605>own <00:28:50.780>value <00:28:50.955>set,

600
00:28:52.015 --> 00:28:55.055
<00:28:52.015>but <00:28:52.190>from <00:28:52.365>a <00:28:52.540>much <00:28:52.715>broader <00:28:52.890>set <00:28:53.065>of <00:28:53.240>values, <00:28:53.415>um,

601
00:28:55.055 --> 00:28:58.415
<00:28:55.055>because <00:28:55.195>you, <00:28:55.335>you <00:28:55.475>have <00:28:55.615>an <00:28:55.755>incredible <00:28:55.895>impact <00:28:56.035>on, <00:28:56.175>on, <00:28:56.315>you <00:28:56.455>know,

602
00:28:58.795 --> 00:28:59.895
<00:28:58.795>how <00:28:59.125>this <00:28:59.455>world <00:28:59.785>develops.

603
00:29:01.345 --> 00:29:02.535
<00:29:01.345>Thank <00:29:01.880>you <00:29:02.416>Vira,

604
00:29:03.525 --> 00:29:05.895
<00:29:03.525>Very <00:29:03.700>similar <00:29:03.875>along <00:29:04.050>the <00:29:04.225>lines <00:29:04.400>with <00:29:04.575>David <00:29:04.750>and <00:29:04.925>Constantine.

605
00:29:06.075 --> 00:29:10.175
<00:29:06.075>Yes, <00:29:06.308>us <00:29:06.541>developers <00:29:06.775>have <00:29:07.008>so <00:29:07.241>much <00:29:07.475>responsibility,

606
00:29:10.275 --> 00:29:14.055
<00:29:10.275>but <00:29:10.402>also <00:29:10.529>influence <00:29:10.656>on <00:29:10.784>how <00:29:10.911>our <00:29:11.038>society <00:29:11.165>will <00:29:11.293>be <00:29:11.420>in <00:29:11.547>the <00:29:11.675>future.

607
00:29:14.925 --> 00:29:17.895
<00:29:14.925>What <00:29:15.065>you <00:29:15.205>build, <00:29:15.345>how <00:29:15.485>you <00:29:15.625>build <00:29:15.764>it, <00:29:15.905>how <00:29:16.044>inclusive <00:29:16.185>it <00:29:16.325>is,

608
00:29:17.955 --> 00:29:22.615
<00:29:17.955>how <00:29:18.155>diverse <00:29:18.355>it <00:29:18.554>is, <00:29:18.754>how, <00:29:18.955>yeah, <00:29:19.155>you <00:29:19.355>know,

609
00:29:23.155 --> 00:29:25.495
<00:29:23.155>really <00:29:23.504>overarching <00:29:23.855>of <00:29:24.205>everything <00:29:24.555>else.

610
00:29:25.635 --> 00:29:27.095
<00:29:25.635>It <00:29:25.854>is, <00:29:26.073>I <00:29:26.292>think <00:29:26.511>it's <00:29:26.730>so <00:29:26.949>important

611
00:29:27.155 --> 00:29:29.695
<00:29:27.155>and <00:29:27.282>you <00:29:27.409>have <00:29:27.536>the <00:29:27.664>power <00:29:27.791>in <00:29:27.918>your <00:29:28.045>hands <00:29:28.173>to <00:29:28.300>make <00:29:28.427>it <00:29:28.555>happen.

612
00:29:29.895 --> 00:29:31.935
<00:29:29.895>I <00:29:30.175>mean, <00:29:30.455>I'm, <00:29:30.735>I'm <00:29:31.014>amazed <00:29:31.295>actually

613
00:29:31.965 --> 00:29:34.495
<00:29:31.965>that <00:29:32.245>developers <00:29:32.524>are <00:29:32.804>not <00:29:33.084>more, <00:29:33.365>um,

614
00:29:35.695 --> 00:29:37.415
<00:29:35.695>speaking <00:29:35.975>more <00:29:36.254>on <00:29:36.534>like <00:29:36.814>global <00:29:37.095>stages

615
00:29:37.515 --> 00:29:39.935
<00:29:37.515>and <00:29:37.748>actually <00:29:37.981>influencing <00:29:38.215>policy <00:29:38.448>and <00:29:38.681>decision <00:29:38.915>makers

616
00:29:39.935 --> 00:29:41.960
<00:29:39.935>because <00:29:40.110>you <00:29:40.284>guys <00:29:40.460>really <00:29:40.635>have, <00:29:40.810>have <00:29:40.985>so <00:29:41.159>much <00:29:41.335>power

617
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.245
<00:29:41.960>and <00:29:42.100>I'm, <00:29:42.240>I'm <00:29:42.380>really <00:29:42.520>hoping <00:29:42.660>also, <00:29:42.800>you <00:29:42.940>know, <00:29:43.080>as <00:29:43.220>a <00:29:43.360>woman,

618
00:29:45.305 --> 00:29:47.925
<00:29:45.305>and <00:29:45.432>I'm <00:29:45.559>glad <00:29:45.686>to <00:29:45.814>see <00:29:45.941>quite <00:29:46.068>a <00:29:46.195>few <00:29:46.323>women <00:29:46.450>in <00:29:46.577>the <00:29:46.705>audience

619
00:29:48.395 --> 00:29:50.325
<00:29:48.395>that <00:29:48.745>will <00:29:49.095>see <00:29:49.445>more <00:29:49.795>inclusive

620
00:29:50.425 --> 00:29:52.485
<00:29:50.425>and <00:29:50.658>diverse, <00:29:50.891>you <00:29:51.125>know, <00:29:51.358>societies <00:29:51.591>going <00:29:51.825>forward

621
00:29:52.585 --> 00:29:53.765
<00:29:52.585>and <00:29:52.939>people <00:29:53.293>accepting <00:29:53.647>them

622
00:29:53.785 --> 00:29:57.325
<00:29:53.785>as <00:29:53.940>they <00:29:54.096>are <00:29:54.251>really <00:29:54.407>putting <00:29:54.562>away <00:29:54.718>those <00:29:54.873>biases <00:29:55.029>as <00:29:55.185>constant

623
00:29:57.325 --> 00:30:00.605
<00:29:57.325>and <00:29:57.480>also <00:29:57.636>alluded <00:29:57.791>and <00:29:57.947>actually <00:29:58.102>accept <00:29:58.258>the <00:29:58.413>other <00:29:58.569>as, <00:29:58.725>um,

624
00:30:00.825 --> 00:30:01.845
<00:30:00.825>as <00:30:01.131>equal, <00:30:01.437>you <00:30:01.743>know,

625
00:30:01.845 --> 00:30:03.845
<00:30:01.845>because <00:30:02.000>in <00:30:02.156>the <00:30:02.311>end, <00:30:02.467>we <00:30:02.622>all <00:30:02.778>want <00:30:02.933>the <00:30:03.089>same <00:30:03.245>thing.

626
00:30:04.025 --> 00:30:05.485
<00:30:04.025>So <00:30:04.463>yes, <00:30:04.901>a <00:30:05.339>lot

627
00:30:05.485 --> 00:30:08.325
<00:30:05.485>of <00:30:05.640>responsibility <00:30:05.796>on <00:30:05.951>you <00:30:06.107>guys <00:30:06.262>on <00:30:06.418>your <00:30:06.573>shoulders <00:30:06.729>and <00:30:06.885>girls,

628
00:30:08.465 --> 00:30:10.125
<00:30:08.465>but <00:30:08.639>you <00:30:08.814>know, <00:30:08.990>we <00:30:09.165>have <00:30:09.340>high <00:30:09.514>hopes <00:30:09.689>in <00:30:09.865>you.

629
00:30:11.875 --> 00:30:13.965
<00:30:11.875>Perfect. <00:30:12.155>Last <00:30:12.435>word. <00:30:12.715>Thank <00:30:12.995>you, <00:30:13.275>Vera.

630
00:30:13.965 --> 00:30:17.085
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