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00:15:12.465 --> 00:15:14.045
<00:15:12.465>Um, <00:15:12.620>obviously <00:15:12.776>that <00:15:12.931>was <00:15:13.087>met <00:15:13.242>with <00:15:13.398>a <00:15:13.553>lot <00:15:13.709>of <00:15:13.865>calls

376
00:15:14.045 --> 00:15:15.285
<00:15:14.045>around <00:15:15.161>surveillance

377
00:15:15.285 --> 00:15:17.565
<00:15:15.285>and <00:15:15.425>then <00:15:15.564>you <00:15:15.704>see <00:15:15.844>stories <00:15:15.985>like <00:15:16.125>this <00:15:16.265>where, <00:15:16.405>you <00:15:16.545>know, <00:15:16.685>these,

378
00:15:17.665 --> 00:15:18.845
<00:15:17.665>uh, <00:15:17.930>data <00:15:18.196>is <00:15:18.461>being <00:15:18.727>leaked

379
00:15:18.905 --> 00:15:21.565
<00:15:18.905>and <00:15:19.045>you <00:15:19.185>think, <00:15:19.324>well, <00:15:19.464>these <00:15:19.605>cameras <00:15:19.745>will <00:15:19.885>be <00:15:20.025>picking <00:15:20.165>up <00:15:20.305>loads

380
00:15:21.565 --> 00:15:22.885
<00:15:21.565>of <00:15:21.763>number <00:15:21.961>plates <00:15:22.159>all, <00:15:22.357>all <00:15:22.555>the <00:15:22.753>way

381
00:15:22.885 --> 00:15:25.005
<00:15:22.885>around <00:15:23.060>the <00:15:23.235>country <00:15:23.410>when <00:15:23.585>we've <00:15:23.760>already <00:15:23.935>got <00:15:24.110>some, <00:15:24.285>uh,

382
00:15:25.075 --> 00:15:27.565
<00:15:25.075>more <00:15:25.275>CCTV <00:15:25.475>in, <00:15:25.675>in, <00:15:25.875>in <00:15:26.075>London <00:15:26.275>than <00:15:26.475>sort

383
00:15:27.565 --> 00:15:29.365
<00:15:27.565>of <00:15:27.705>any <00:15:27.845>other <00:15:27.985>big <00:15:28.125>city <00:15:28.265>on <00:15:28.405>earth <00:15:28.545>or <00:15:28.685>whatever <00:15:28.825>it <00:15:28.965>is.

384
00:15:29.425 --> 00:15:32.245
<00:15:29.425>So <00:15:29.625>I <00:15:29.824>think, <00:15:30.025>um, <00:15:30.224>it's <00:15:30.425>an <00:15:30.625>interesting <00:15:30.824>time,

385
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<00:15:32.245>but <00:15:32.479>it's <00:15:32.713>quite <00:15:32.947>scary <00:15:33.180>really.

386
00:15:33.305 --> 00:15:35.645
<00:15:33.305>It <00:15:33.460>feels <00:15:33.616>a <00:15:33.771>little <00:15:33.927>bit <00:15:34.082>like <00:15:34.238>the <00:15:34.393>surveillance <00:15:34.549>state <00:15:34.704>through,

387
00:15:35.945 --> 00:15:38.005
<00:15:35.945>um, <00:15:36.411>excitement <00:15:36.878>around <00:15:37.345>technology

388
00:15:38.425 --> 00:15:40.445
<00:15:38.425>and <00:15:38.564>being <00:15:38.704>able <00:15:38.844>to <00:15:38.984>put <00:15:39.125>in <00:15:39.265>some <00:15:39.405>of <00:15:39.545>these <00:15:39.685>surveillance <00:15:39.824>tools,

389
00:15:40.505 --> 00:15:41.565
<00:15:40.505>you <00:15:40.695>know, <00:15:40.886>along <00:15:41.077>the <00:15:41.268>way, <00:15:41.459>really.

390
00:15:41.665 --> 00:15:42.925
<00:15:41.665>So <00:15:41.806>just <00:15:41.948>wanted <00:15:42.090>to <00:15:42.232>add <00:15:42.373>that <00:15:42.515>bit <00:15:42.657>of <00:15:42.799>context,

391
00:15:43.495 --> 00:15:44.565
<00:15:43.495>Which <00:15:43.976>is <00:15:44.458>fascinating

392
00:15:44.565 --> 00:15:47.405
<00:15:44.565>because <00:15:44.692>I <00:15:44.819>remember <00:15:44.946>when <00:15:45.074>I <00:15:45.201>lived <00:15:45.328>in <00:15:45.455>London <00:15:45.583>every <00:15:45.710>1st <00:15:45.837>of <00:15:45.965>May

393
00:15:47.405 --> 00:15:49.005
<00:15:47.405>when <00:15:47.638>the <00:15:47.871>whole <00:15:48.105>demonstrations <00:15:48.338>were <00:15:48.571>going <00:15:48.805>on,

394
00:15:49.005 --> 00:15:50.165
<00:15:49.005>none <00:15:49.266>of <00:15:49.526>these <00:15:49.788>cameras <00:15:50.049>worked.

395
00:15:50.225 --> 00:15:53.525
<00:15:50.225>So <00:15:50.380>the <00:15:50.536>police, <00:15:50.691>what <00:15:50.847>police <00:15:51.002>to <00:15:51.158>demonstrators <00:15:51.313>was <00:15:51.469>never <00:15:51.625>shown.

396
00:15:54.225 --> 00:15:55.885
<00:15:54.225>So, <00:15:54.458>uh, <00:15:54.691>that <00:15:54.925>was <00:15:55.158>an <00:15:55.391>interesting <00:15:55.625>bit.

397
00:15:55.905 --> 00:15:57.325
<00:15:55.905>And <00:15:56.117>the <00:15:56.331>other <00:15:56.544>bit <00:15:56.757>was <00:15:56.970>the <00:15:57.183>potholes.

398
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<00:15:57.485>'cause <00:15:57.660>I <00:15:57.835>remember <00:15:58.010>Fix, <00:15:58.185>fix <00:15:58.360>My <00:15:58.535>Street <00:15:58.710>was <00:15:58.885>one

399
00:15:59.645 --> 00:16:02.005
<00:15:59.645>of <00:15:59.845>the <00:16:00.045>first <00:16:00.245>social <00:16:00.444>media <00:16:00.645>things <00:16:00.845>in <00:16:01.045>England

400
00:16:02.255 --> 00:16:04.325
<00:16:02.255>where <00:16:02.535>people <00:16:02.814>took <00:16:03.095>pictures <00:16:03.375>of <00:16:03.655>potholes

401
00:16:04.325 --> 00:16:06.005
<00:16:04.325>and <00:16:04.605>send <00:16:04.885>it, <00:16:05.165>uh, <00:16:05.445>online <00:16:05.725>and,

402
00:16:06.065 --> 00:16:08.645
<00:16:06.065>and <00:16:06.265>shape <00:16:06.465>their <00:16:06.665>council <00:16:06.865>to <00:16:07.065>actually <00:16:07.265>fix <00:16:07.465>it.

403
00:16:09.265 --> 00:16:11.645
<00:16:09.265>And <00:16:09.439>I <00:16:09.615>mean, <00:16:09.790>there's, <00:16:09.965>there's <00:16:10.140>videos <00:16:10.314>of <00:16:10.490>people, <00:16:10.665>uh,

404
00:16:11.645 --> 00:16:13.965
<00:16:11.645>celebrating <00:16:11.819>the <00:16:11.995>birthday <00:16:12.170>of <00:16:12.345>the <00:16:12.520>pothole <00:16:12.694>in <00:16:12.870>the <00:16:13.045>street

405
00:16:13.985 --> 00:16:16.085
<00:16:13.985>by <00:16:14.140>like <00:16:14.296>putting <00:16:14.451>a <00:16:14.607>slice <00:16:14.762>of <00:16:14.918>cake <00:16:15.073>next <00:16:15.229>to <00:16:15.385>it.

406
00:16:16.605 --> 00:16:18.765
<00:16:16.605>'cause <00:16:16.760>for <00:16:16.916>years <00:16:17.071>and <00:16:17.227>years <00:16:17.382>the <00:16:17.538>council <00:16:17.693>hasn't <00:16:17.849>done <00:16:18.005>anything,

407
00:16:19.145 --> 00:16:20.525
<00:16:19.145>and <00:16:19.393>now <00:16:19.641>he's <00:16:19.890>making <00:16:20.138>this <00:16:20.387>one

408
00:16:20.525 --> 00:16:23.045
<00:16:20.525>of <00:16:20.725>the <00:16:20.925>bits <00:16:21.125>in <00:16:21.324>the <00:16:21.525>election. <00:16:21.725>It's <00:16:21.925>interesting.

409
00:16:23.105 --> 00:16:25.925
<00:16:23.105>And <00:16:23.245>are <00:16:23.385>we <00:16:23.525>really, <00:16:23.665>are <00:16:23.805>we <00:16:23.945>really, <00:16:24.085>are <00:16:24.225>we <00:16:24.365>really <00:16:24.505>sure

410
00:16:25.925 --> 00:16:28.285
<00:16:25.925>that <00:16:26.158>we <00:16:26.391>need <00:16:26.625>AI <00:16:26.858>to <00:16:27.091>discover <00:16:27.324>potholes?

411
00:16:28.285 --> 00:16:29.845
<00:16:28.285>Because <00:16:28.635>like <00:16:28.985>the <00:16:29.334>elderly <00:16:29.685>people

412
00:16:29.865 --> 00:16:32.205
<00:16:29.865>who <00:16:30.065>complain <00:16:30.265>about <00:16:30.465>it <00:16:30.665>aren't <00:16:30.865>complaining <00:16:31.065>fast <00:16:31.265>enough.

413
00:16:32.265 --> 00:16:35.165
<00:16:32.265>It <00:16:32.420>seems <00:16:32.576>like <00:16:32.731>we <00:16:32.887>have <00:16:33.042>a <00:16:33.198>pretty <00:16:33.353>effective <00:16:33.509>reporting <00:16:33.665>strategy

414
00:16:35.305 --> 00:16:38.525
<00:16:35.305>for <00:16:35.460>potholes <00:16:35.616>already <00:16:35.771>and <00:16:35.927>that's <00:16:36.082>people <00:16:36.238>who <00:16:36.393>drive <00:16:36.549>over <00:16:36.704>them.

415
00:16:39.555 --> 00:16:41.885
<00:16:39.555>Yeah, <00:16:39.694>we, <00:16:39.834>we <00:16:39.974>don't <00:16:40.114>even, <00:16:40.255>we <00:16:40.395>don't <00:16:40.535>need <00:16:40.675>in <00:16:40.814>Germany <00:16:40.954>either.

416
00:16:41.885 --> 00:16:44.245
<00:16:41.885>We <00:16:42.060>got <00:16:42.235>like, <00:16:42.410>uh, <00:16:42.585>uh, <00:16:42.760>we <00:16:42.935>got <00:16:43.110>like <00:16:43.285>grandmothers

417
00:16:44.245 --> 00:16:46.605
<00:16:44.245>and <00:16:44.420>fathers <00:16:44.595>with <00:16:44.770>like <00:16:44.945>their <00:16:45.120>pillow <00:16:45.295>in, <00:16:45.470>in, <00:16:45.645>in

418
00:16:46.605 --> 00:16:48.765
<00:16:46.605>and <00:16:46.780>sitting <00:16:46.955>in <00:16:47.130>the <00:16:47.305>window <00:16:47.480>and <00:16:47.655>complaining <00:16:47.830>about <00:16:48.005>people

419
00:16:48.765 --> 00:16:50.005
<00:16:48.765>parking <00:16:48.988>the <00:16:49.211>wrong <00:16:49.434>way <00:16:49.657>as <00:16:49.881>well.

420
00:16:50.145 --> 00:16:52.085
<00:16:50.145>So <00:16:50.378>I <00:16:50.611>think <00:16:50.845>there's <00:16:51.078>already <00:16:51.311>an <00:16:51.545>infrastructure

421
00:16:52.085 --> 00:16:55.045
<00:16:52.085>that <00:16:52.260>we <00:16:52.435>could <00:16:52.610>tap <00:16:52.785>into <00:16:52.960>rather <00:16:53.135>than <00:16:53.310>just, <00:16:53.485>uh,

422
00:16:55.165 --> 00:16:56.565
<00:16:55.165>building <00:16:55.417>a <00:16:55.669>new <00:16:55.921>infrastructure <00:16:56.173>for <00:16:56.425>it.

423
00:16:56.905 --> 00:16:59.165
<00:16:56.905>But <00:16:57.105>yeah, <00:16:57.305>it's, <00:16:57.505>uh, <00:16:57.704>it's <00:16:57.905>an <00:16:58.105>interesting <00:16:58.305>bit

424
00:16:59.165 --> 00:17:01.485
<00:16:59.165>that <00:16:59.444>cameras <00:16:59.724>everywhere <00:17:00.005>is <00:17:00.285>always <00:17:00.564>seen

425
00:17:01.485 --> 00:17:02.925
<00:17:01.485>as <00:17:01.809>like <00:17:02.133>a <00:17:02.457>security <00:17:02.781>thing,

426
00:17:02.925 --> 00:17:06.245
<00:17:02.925>but <00:17:03.064>it <00:17:03.204>can <00:17:03.344>also <00:17:03.484>be <00:17:03.625>like <00:17:03.765>a <00:17:03.905>insecurity <00:17:04.044>thing <00:17:04.185>rather <00:17:04.325>easily.

427
00:17:06.825 --> 00:17:08.565
<00:17:06.825>The <00:17:07.025>apps <00:17:07.225>that <00:17:07.425>are <00:17:07.625>spy <00:17:07.825>on <00:17:08.025>your <00:17:08.225>location.

428
00:17:08.825 --> 00:17:11.965
<00:17:08.825>So <00:17:08.941>basically, <00:17:09.058>this <00:17:09.175>was <00:17:09.291>a <00:17:09.408>hack, <00:17:09.525>this <00:17:09.641>was <00:17:09.758>a, <00:17:09.875>a <00:17:09.991>hack <00:17:10.108>of, <00:17:10.225>or,

429
00:17:11.985 --> 00:17:15.605
<00:17:11.984>or <00:17:12.125>a, <00:17:12.264>a <00:17:12.405>leak <00:17:12.544>of <00:17:12.685>a <00:17:12.824>company <00:17:12.964>that <00:17:13.104>actually, <00:17:13.244>uh, <00:17:13.385>uh,

430
00:17:16.685 --> 00:17:18.205
<00:17:16.685>recorded <00:17:17.027>location <00:17:17.368>data <00:17:17.711>for <00:17:18.052>others.

431
00:17:18.905 --> 00:17:20.605
<00:17:18.905>And <00:17:19.185>it <00:17:19.464>turns <00:17:19.744>out <00:17:20.024>that <00:17:20.305>tons

432
00:17:20.625 --> 00:17:23.205
<00:17:20.625>and <00:17:20.825>tons <00:17:21.025>of <00:17:21.224>apps <00:17:21.425>on <00:17:21.625>your <00:17:21.825>machine, <00:17:22.025>uh,

433
00:17:23.525 --> 00:17:25.045
<00:17:23.525>gravy <00:17:23.753>analytics, <00:17:23.981>what's <00:17:24.209>the <00:17:24.437>name <00:17:24.665>of <00:17:24.893>it?

434
00:17:25.805 --> 00:17:27.665
<00:17:25.805>Uh, <00:17:26.038>tons <00:17:26.271>and <00:17:26.505>tons <00:17:26.738>of <00:17:26.971>your, <00:17:27.205>uh,

435
00:17:27.685 --> 00:17:30.785
<00:17:27.685>of <00:17:27.859>things <00:17:28.034>on <00:17:28.210>your <00:17:28.385>computer <00:17:28.560>actually <00:17:28.735>leak <00:17:28.909>your <00:17:29.085>data,

436
00:17:30.835 --> 00:17:32.865
<00:17:30.835>which <00:17:31.068>I <00:17:31.301>found <00:17:31.535>interesting <00:17:31.768>with <00:17:32.001>Candy <00:17:32.235>Crush.

437
00:17:33.045 --> 00:17:35.705
<00:17:33.045>And <00:17:33.200>I <00:17:33.356>mean, <00:17:33.511>dating <00:17:33.667>apps, <00:17:33.822>Tinder, <00:17:33.978>I <00:17:34.133>kind <00:17:34.289>of, <00:17:34.445>uh,

438
00:17:35.705 --> 00:17:36.825
<00:17:35.705>underst <00:17:36.209>understand <00:17:36.713>how

439
00:17:36.825 --> 00:17:38.865
<00:17:36.825>that <00:17:37.025>would <00:17:37.225>be <00:17:37.425>interesting <00:17:37.625>for <00:17:37.825>them <00:17:38.025>to <00:17:38.225>know.

440
00:17:39.445 --> 00:17:42.505
<00:17:39.445>But <00:17:39.645>like, <00:17:39.845>uh, <00:17:40.044>uh, <00:17:40.245>MyFitnessPal <00:17:40.445>and <00:17:40.645>like, <00:17:40.845>uh,

441
00:17:42.765 --> 00:17:47.225
<00:17:42.765>and <00:17:42.905>others, <00:17:43.045>it's <00:17:43.185>weird <00:17:43.325>that, <00:17:43.465>that <00:17:43.605>so <00:17:43.745>many <00:17:43.885>things, <00:17:44.025>uh, <00:17:44.165>talk,

442
00:17:47.365 --> 00:17:48.785
<00:17:47.365>uh, <00:17:47.684>uh, <00:17:48.004>record <00:17:48.323>your <00:17:48.643>location.

443
00:17:49.145 --> 00:17:51.845
<00:17:49.145>And <00:17:49.261>when <00:17:49.378>I <00:17:49.495>worked <00:17:49.611>on <00:17:49.728>Firefox <00:17:49.845>s <00:17:49.961>that <00:17:50.078>was <00:17:50.195>one <00:17:50.311>of <00:17:50.428>the <00:17:50.545>things

444
00:17:51.845 --> 00:17:53.245
<00:17:51.845>that <00:17:52.160>always <00:17:52.475>drove <00:17:52.790>me <00:17:53.105>nuts.

445
00:17:53.245 --> 00:17:55.565
<00:17:53.245>That <00:17:53.419>every, <00:17:53.594>every <00:17:53.770>app <00:17:53.945>that <00:17:54.120>I <00:17:54.294>install <00:17:54.469>on <00:17:54.645>Android

446
00:17:55.865 --> 00:17:59.005
<00:17:55.865>or <00:17:56.005>an <00:17:56.145>iOS <00:17:56.285>asked <00:17:56.425>for <00:17:56.565>every <00:17:56.705>permission <00:17:56.845>when <00:17:56.985>I <00:17:57.125>install <00:17:57.265>it.

447
00:17:59.035 --> 00:18:01.765
<00:17:59.035>Like, <00:17:59.210>I'm <00:17:59.385>like, <00:17:59.560>no, <00:17:59.735>this <00:17:59.910>is <00:18:00.085>a <00:18:00.260>calculation <00:18:00.435>app

448
00:18:01.825 --> 00:18:03.605
<00:18:01.825>to <00:18:02.291>do <00:18:02.758>house <00:18:03.225>pricing.

449
00:18:03.865 --> 00:18:06.245
<00:18:03.865>Why <00:18:04.065>would <00:18:04.265>you <00:18:04.465>need <00:18:04.665>my, <00:18:04.865>my <00:18:05.065>heart <00:18:05.265>rate?

450
00:18:06.905 --> 00:18:08.845
<00:18:06.905>Uh, <00:18:07.080>well <00:18:07.254>maybe <00:18:07.430>when <00:18:07.605>you <00:18:07.780>look <00:18:07.955>at <00:18:08.129>house <00:18:08.305>prices,

451
00:18:08.985 --> 00:18:11.125
<00:18:08.985>but <00:18:09.159>it, <00:18:09.334>it's <00:18:09.510>a, <00:18:09.685>it's <00:18:09.860>a <00:18:10.034>really <00:18:10.209>interesting <00:18:10.385>thing.

452
00:18:11.505 --> 00:18:13.885
<00:18:11.505>How <00:18:11.680>many <00:18:11.855>of <00:18:12.030>those <00:18:12.205>are <00:18:12.380>actually <00:18:12.555>recording <00:18:12.730>the, <00:18:12.905>uh,

453
00:18:13.885 --> 00:18:15.085
<00:18:13.885>recording <00:18:14.425>your <00:18:14.965>location?

454
00:18:15.845 --> 00:18:17.685
<00:18:15.845>I <00:18:16.020>think <00:18:16.195>Brian, <00:18:16.370>in <00:18:16.545>your <00:18:16.720>case, <00:18:16.895>it <00:18:17.070>makes <00:18:17.245>sense

455
00:18:17.745 --> 00:18:19.765
<00:18:17.745>for <00:18:17.945>your <00:18:18.145>customers <00:18:18.344>to, <00:18:18.544>to <00:18:18.745>have <00:18:18.945>location <00:18:19.145>data,

456
00:18:19.945 --> 00:18:23.245
<00:18:19.945>but <00:18:20.085>it <00:18:20.225>feels <00:18:20.365>like <00:18:20.504>that <00:18:20.645>there <00:18:20.784>is <00:18:20.925>an <00:18:21.064>overabundance <00:18:21.205>of <00:18:21.345>apps

457
00:18:23.245 --> 00:18:24.845
<00:18:23.245>that <00:18:23.445>listen <00:18:23.645>in <00:18:23.844>on <00:18:24.044>us <00:18:24.245>on <00:18:24.445>those <00:18:24.645>things.

458
00:18:25.435 --> 00:18:27.925
<00:18:25.435>Well, <00:18:25.590>and, <00:18:25.746>and <00:18:25.901>yes, <00:18:26.057>what <00:18:26.212>I <00:18:26.368>think <00:18:26.523>that <00:18:26.679>the <00:18:26.835>thing

459
00:18:27.925 --> 00:18:30.085
<00:18:27.925>to <00:18:28.065>remember <00:18:28.205>there <00:18:28.345>is <00:18:28.485>that <00:18:28.625>for <00:18:28.764>a <00:18:28.905>lot <00:18:29.044>of <00:18:29.185>these <00:18:29.325>people,

460
00:18:30.825 --> 00:18:32.045
<00:18:30.825>the <00:18:31.099>people <00:18:31.374>who, <00:18:31.648>the <00:18:31.923>people

461
00:18:32.105 --> 00:18:35.965
<00:18:32.105>who <00:18:32.280>built <00:18:32.455>MyFitness <00:18:32.630>app <00:18:32.805>were <00:18:32.980>clearly <00:18:33.155>relying <00:18:33.330>on <00:18:33.505>libraries

462
00:18:35.965 --> 00:18:37.685
<00:18:35.965>that <00:18:36.198>they <00:18:36.431>were <00:18:36.665>using <00:18:36.898>to <00:18:37.131>do <00:18:37.365>things

463
00:18:37.755 --> 00:18:39.805
<00:18:37.755>that <00:18:37.930>they <00:18:38.105>didn't <00:18:38.280>wanna <00:18:38.455>have <00:18:38.630>to <00:18:38.805>code <00:18:38.980>up <00:18:39.155>themselves.

464
00:18:40.545 --> 00:18:42.845
<00:18:40.545>And <00:18:40.685>if <00:18:40.825>you <00:18:40.965>actually <00:18:41.105>go <00:18:41.245>up <00:18:41.385>the <00:18:41.525>food <00:18:41.665>chain <00:18:41.805>to <00:18:41.945>some

465
00:18:42.845 --> 00:18:44.445
<00:18:42.845>of <00:18:43.311>these <00:18:43.778>mobile <00:18:44.245>SDKs

466
00:18:44.445 --> 00:18:45.765
<00:18:44.445>and <00:18:44.682>stuff, <00:18:44.920>you'll <00:18:45.157>see <00:18:45.395>that, <00:18:45.633>like,

467
00:18:46.545 --> 00:18:49.285
<00:18:46.545>it <00:18:46.700>very <00:18:46.856>well <00:18:47.011>possibly <00:18:47.167>could <00:18:47.322>be <00:18:47.478>that, <00:18:47.633>that <00:18:47.789>the <00:18:47.945>people

468
00:18:49.305 --> 00:18:51.845
<00:18:49.305>who <00:18:49.480>were <00:18:49.655>building <00:18:49.830>this <00:18:50.005>app <00:18:50.180>needed <00:18:50.355>an <00:18:50.530>easy <00:18:50.705>way

469
00:18:51.845 --> 00:18:53.285
<00:18:51.845>to <00:18:52.277>upload <00:18:52.709>profile <00:18:53.141>pictures

470
00:18:53.285 --> 00:18:54.525
<00:18:53.285>and <00:18:53.444>they <00:18:53.603>found <00:18:53.763>a <00:18:53.922>library <00:18:54.082>to <00:18:54.241>do <00:18:54.401>it.

471
00:18:54.525 --> 00:18:57.685
<00:18:54.525>And <00:18:54.680>that <00:18:54.836>library <00:18:54.991>also <00:18:55.147>included <00:18:55.302>a <00:18:55.458>whole <00:18:55.613>bunch <00:18:55.769>of <00:18:55.925>stuff

472
00:18:57.685 --> 00:18:59.765
<00:18:57.685>to <00:18:57.918>do <00:18:58.151>things <00:18:58.385>like <00:18:58.618>location <00:18:58.851>tracking <00:18:59.085>and

473
00:19:00.165 --> 00:19:03.245
<00:19:00.165>'cause <00:19:00.292>if <00:19:00.419>you're <00:19:00.546>a <00:19:00.674>library <00:19:00.801>maker, <00:19:00.928>you <00:19:01.055>want <00:19:01.183>to <00:19:01.310>build <00:19:01.437>an <00:19:01.565>SDK

474
00:19:03.325 --> 00:19:04.405
<00:19:03.325>that <00:19:03.487>lots <00:19:03.649>of <00:19:03.811>people <00:19:03.973>are <00:19:04.135>gonna <00:19:04.297>use.

475
00:19:04.465 --> 00:19:06.445
<00:19:04.465>So <00:19:04.620>you <00:19:04.776>build <00:19:04.931>in <00:19:05.087>a <00:19:05.242>lot <00:19:05.398>of <00:19:05.553>functionality <00:19:05.709>to <00:19:05.865>it.

476
00:19:06.705 --> 00:19:10.605
<00:19:06.705>And, <00:19:06.879>you <00:19:07.054>know, <00:19:07.230>if <00:19:07.405>you're <00:19:07.580>an <00:19:07.754>amateur <00:19:07.929>app <00:19:08.105>developer

477
00:19:10.605 --> 00:19:13.165
<00:19:10.605>who <00:19:10.885>doesn't <00:19:11.165>necessarily <00:19:11.445>understand <00:19:11.725>dependency <00:19:12.005>management

478
00:19:13.425 --> 00:19:15.965
<00:19:13.425>or <00:19:13.580>you <00:19:13.736>know, <00:19:13.891>what <00:19:14.047>you're <00:19:14.202>actually <00:19:14.358>pulling <00:19:14.513>into <00:19:14.669>your <00:19:14.825>project,

479
00:19:16.065 --> 00:19:17.245
<00:19:16.065>you <00:19:16.330>could <00:19:16.596>be <00:19:16.861>inadvertently <00:19:17.127>pulling

480
00:19:17.305 --> 00:19:19.005
<00:19:17.305>in <00:19:17.585>stuff <00:19:17.865>that <00:19:18.145>you <00:19:18.425>don't <00:19:18.705>need.

481
00:19:20.035 --> 00:19:22.855
<00:19:20.035>That's <00:19:20.190>true. <00:19:20.346>That's <00:19:20.501>the, <00:19:20.657>the <00:19:20.812>optimistic <00:19:20.968>view <00:19:21.123>of <00:19:21.279>it <00:19:21.435>is

482
00:19:23.485 --> 00:19:25.295
<00:19:23.485>that <00:19:23.685>the <00:19:23.885>folks <00:19:24.084>who <00:19:24.284>are <00:19:24.485>building, <00:19:24.685>you <00:19:24.885>know,

483
00:19:25.295 --> 00:19:29.775
<00:19:25.295>the <00:19:25.450>MyFitnessPal <00:19:25.606>app <00:19:25.761>just <00:19:25.917>needed <00:19:26.072>a <00:19:26.228>way <00:19:26.383>to <00:19:26.539>like, <00:19:26.695>put,

484
00:19:29.835 --> 00:19:32.655
<00:19:29.835>put <00:19:29.990>your <00:19:30.146>swollen <00:19:30.301>image <00:19:30.457>for <00:19:30.612>your <00:19:30.768>thumbnail <00:19:30.923>in <00:19:31.079>there <00:19:31.235>instead

485
00:19:32.655 --> 00:19:35.095
<00:19:32.655>of <00:19:32.855>like <00:19:33.055>tracking <00:19:33.254>which <00:19:33.455>gym <00:19:33.655>you <00:19:33.855>were <00:19:34.055>at.

486
00:19:36.685 --> 00:19:38.445
<00:19:36.685>Probably. <00:19:36.885>That's, <00:19:37.085>that's <00:19:37.284>a, <00:19:37.485>that's <00:19:37.685>an <00:19:37.885>interesting <00:19:38.085>point.

487
00:19:38.445 --> 00:19:41.205
<00:19:38.445>It's <00:19:38.600>a <00:19:38.756>very <00:19:38.911>interesting, <00:19:39.067>uh, <00:19:39.222>interesting, <00:19:39.378>uh, <00:19:39.533>look <00:19:39.689>on <00:19:39.845>it.

488
00:19:41.785 --> 00:19:44.685
<00:19:41.785>Uh, <00:19:41.912>I <00:19:42.039>mean, <00:19:42.166>it's <00:19:42.294>also <00:19:42.421>here <00:19:42.548>that <00:19:42.675>Candy <00:19:42.803>Crush <00:19:42.930>cracked <00:19:43.057>me <00:19:43.185>up.

489
00:19:44.685 --> 00:19:46.125
<00:19:44.685>Like, <00:19:44.847>I <00:19:45.009>didn't <00:19:45.171>know <00:19:45.333>it <00:19:45.495>was <00:19:45.657>still <00:19:45.819>a <00:19:45.981>thing,

490
00:19:46.385 --> 00:19:48.165
<00:19:46.385>but, <00:19:46.560>uh, <00:19:46.735>it <00:19:46.910>seems <00:19:47.085>to <00:19:47.260>be <00:19:47.435>still <00:19:47.610>a <00:19:47.785>thing.

491
00:19:48.345 --> 00:19:50.485
<00:19:48.345>And, <00:19:48.485>uh, <00:19:48.625>I, <00:19:48.765>I <00:19:48.905>think <00:19:49.045>a <00:19:49.185>lot <00:19:49.325>of <00:19:49.465>people <00:19:49.605>ruined <00:19:49.745>themselves

492
00:19:50.485 --> 00:19:52.245
<00:19:50.485>with <00:19:50.659>Candy <00:19:50.834>Crush <00:19:51.010>back <00:19:51.185>in <00:19:51.360>the <00:19:51.534>days <00:19:51.709>as <00:19:51.885>well

493
00:19:52.245 --> 00:19:54.325
<00:19:52.245>because <00:19:52.478>they, <00:19:52.711>they <00:19:52.945>paid <00:19:53.178>upgrades <00:19:53.411>and <00:19:53.645>stuff.

494
00:19:55.065 --> 00:19:57.845
<00:19:55.065>It <00:19:55.240>doesn't <00:19:55.415>die. <00:19:55.590>Have <00:19:55.765>you <00:19:55.940>ever <00:19:56.115>paid <00:19:56.290>Mother <00:19:56.465>in-law

495
00:19:57.875 --> 00:20:00.045
<00:19:57.875>Something <00:19:58.075>to <00:19:58.275>do <00:19:58.475>when <00:19:58.675>she's <00:19:58.875>watching <00:19:59.075>her <00:19:59.275>shows?

496
00:20:00.055 --> 00:20:03.045
<00:20:00.055>Right. <00:20:00.182>So <00:20:00.309>Candy <00:20:00.436>Crush <00:20:00.564>still <00:20:00.691>has <00:20:00.818>a <00:20:00.945>valid <00:20:01.073>play <00:20:01.200>in <00:20:01.327>the <00:20:01.455>market.

497
00:20:03.955 --> 00:20:06.085
<00:20:03.955>Well <00:20:04.129>maybe <00:20:04.304>make <00:20:04.480>better <00:20:04.655>shows <00:20:04.830>that <00:20:05.004>are <00:20:05.179>more <00:20:05.355>engaging,

498
00:20:06.185 --> 00:20:08.605
<00:20:06.185>so <00:20:06.312>we <00:20:06.439>don't <00:20:06.566>need <00:20:06.694>to <00:20:06.821>play <00:20:06.948>games <00:20:07.075>while <00:20:07.203>we <00:20:07.330>watching <00:20:07.457>the <00:20:07.585>shows.

499
00:20:09.795 --> 00:20:12.765
<00:20:09.795>That <00:20:09.922>might <00:20:10.049>be <00:20:10.176>the <00:20:10.304>other <00:20:10.431>option. <00:20:10.558>But <00:20:10.685>yeah, <00:20:10.813>it's <00:20:10.940>a <00:20:11.067>weird <00:20:11.195>one.

500
00:20:12.985 --> 00:20:14.445
<00:20:12.985>The <00:20:13.204>people <00:20:13.423>should <00:20:13.641>own <00:20:13.860>the <00:20:14.080>Town <00:20:14.299>Square.

501
00:20:14.445 --> 00:20:16.885
<00:20:14.445>This <00:20:14.645>is <00:20:14.845>basically <00:20:15.044>the <00:20:15.245>guy <00:20:15.445>that <00:20:15.645>built <00:20:15.845>Mastodon

502
00:20:17.065 --> 00:20:20.125
<00:20:17.065>who <00:20:17.240>now <00:20:17.415>said <00:20:17.590>like, <00:20:17.765>okay, <00:20:17.940>following <00:20:18.115>the <00:20:18.290>whole <00:20:18.465>thing

503
00:20:20.125 --> 00:20:23.365
<00:20:20.125>with <00:20:20.252>Meta, <00:20:20.379>uh, <00:20:20.506>I <00:20:20.634>don't <00:20:20.761>want <00:20:20.888>to <00:20:21.015>be <00:20:21.143>the <00:20:21.270>single <00:20:21.397>person, <00:20:21.525>uh,

504
00:20:23.845 --> 00:20:25.565
<00:20:23.845>reliable <00:20:24.545>for <00:20:25.245>Mastodon.

505
00:20:26.065 --> 00:20:28.525
<00:20:26.065>Uh, <00:20:26.220>and <00:20:26.376>he <00:20:26.531>said <00:20:26.687>like, <00:20:26.842>there's <00:20:26.998>gonna <00:20:27.153>be <00:20:27.309>a <00:20:27.465>non-for-profit

506
00:20:28.675 --> 00:20:31.285
<00:20:28.675>that <00:20:28.908>actually, <00:20:29.141>uh, <00:20:29.375>he <00:20:29.608>hands <00:20:29.841>over <00:20:30.075>Mastodon

507
00:20:31.285 --> 00:20:33.965
<00:20:31.285>to <00:20:31.460>the <00:20:31.635>Mastodon <00:20:31.810>dot <00:20:31.985>domain, <00:20:32.160>the <00:20:32.335>branding <00:20:32.510>and <00:20:32.685>everything.

508
00:20:34.585 --> 00:20:37.285
<00:20:34.585>And <00:20:34.725>he <00:20:34.865>just <00:20:35.005>feels <00:20:35.145>like <00:20:35.285>it, <00:20:35.425>it <00:20:35.565>could <00:20:35.705>be <00:20:35.845>like <00:20:35.985>that,

509
00:20:37.285 --> 00:20:39.085
<00:20:37.285>it <00:20:37.518>doesn't <00:20:37.751>feel <00:20:37.985>like <00:20:38.218>doing <00:20:38.451>it <00:20:38.685>anymore,

510
00:20:39.745 --> 00:20:41.285
<00:20:39.745>or <00:20:40.022>it <00:20:40.299>it <00:20:40.576>has <00:20:40.853>more <00:20:41.131>transparency.

511
00:20:41.545 --> 00:20:43.685
<00:20:41.545>Dan, <00:20:41.720>you <00:20:41.895>pointed <00:20:42.070>out <00:20:42.245>yesterday <00:20:42.420>in <00:20:42.595>our <00:20:42.770>meeting <00:20:42.945>something

512
00:20:43.965 --> 00:20:47.585
<00:20:43.965>interesting <00:20:44.120>that <00:20:44.276>said <00:20:44.431>like <00:20:44.587>that <00:20:44.742>these <00:20:44.898>systems <00:20:45.053>might <00:20:45.209>not <00:20:45.365>get

513
00:20:47.645 --> 00:20:49.985
<00:20:47.645>as <00:20:47.878>much, <00:20:48.111>uh, <00:20:48.345>uh, <00:20:48.578>adoption <00:20:48.811>by <00:20:49.045>people

514
00:20:49.985 --> 00:20:51.785
<00:20:49.985>because <00:20:50.218>they <00:20:50.451>want <00:20:50.685>to <00:20:50.918>have <00:20:51.151>one <00:20:51.385>person

515
00:20:51.885 --> 00:20:55.625
<00:20:51.885>to <00:20:52.012>own <00:20:52.139>it <00:20:52.266>rather <00:20:52.394>than <00:20:52.521>like, <00:20:52.648>uh, <00:20:52.775>what <00:20:52.903>he's <00:20:53.030>doing <00:20:53.157>right <00:20:53.285>now.

516
00:20:55.725 --> 00:20:59.785
<00:20:55.725>Do <00:20:55.865>you <00:20:56.004>think <00:20:56.145>this <00:20:56.284>will <00:20:56.425>be <00:20:56.564>even <00:20:56.705>more <00:20:56.844>detrimental <00:20:56.985>to <00:20:57.125>Macon

517
00:20:59.845 --> 00:21:01.705
<00:20:59.845>as <00:21:00.045>the <00:21:00.245>confusion <00:21:00.445>of <00:21:00.645>what <00:21:00.845>it <00:21:01.045>is <00:21:01.245>already?

518
00:21:02.685 --> 00:21:04.585
<00:21:02.685>It <00:21:02.812>could <00:21:02.939>be. <00:21:03.066>And <00:21:03.194>I <00:21:03.321>mean, <00:21:03.448>I <00:21:03.575>don't <00:21:03.703>want <00:21:03.830>it <00:21:03.957>to <00:21:04.085>sort

519
00:21:04.585 --> 00:21:06.945
<00:21:04.585>of <00:21:04.760>sound <00:21:04.935>like <00:21:05.110>I'm <00:21:05.285>defending <00:21:05.460>that <00:21:05.635>single <00:21:05.810>person <00:21:05.985>ownership

520
00:21:06.945 --> 00:21:08.025
<00:21:06.945>because <00:21:07.269>it's <00:21:07.593>completely <00:21:07.917>against

521
00:21:08.025 --> 00:21:09.425
<00:21:08.025>what <00:21:08.235>I <00:21:08.445>would, <00:21:08.655>um, <00:21:08.865>you <00:21:09.075>know, <00:21:09.284>believe.

522
00:21:09.445 --> 00:21:11.145
<00:21:09.445>But <00:21:09.620>I <00:21:09.794>do <00:21:09.970>think <00:21:10.145>there's <00:21:10.320>something <00:21:10.495>to <00:21:10.669>be <00:21:10.845>said

523
00:21:11.165 --> 00:21:13.585
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524
00:21:13.605 --> 00:21:15.065
<00:21:13.605>or <00:21:13.824>they <00:21:14.043>look <00:21:14.262>now <00:21:14.481>to, <00:21:14.700>to <00:21:14.919>Meta

525
00:21:15.205 --> 00:21:17.145
<00:21:15.205>and <00:21:15.438>they <00:21:15.671>see <00:21:15.905>one <00:21:16.138>person <00:21:16.371>owning <00:21:16.605>it,

526
00:21:17.145 --> 00:21:18.865
<00:21:17.145>or <00:21:17.261>they <00:21:17.378>see <00:21:17.495>a <00:21:17.611>lot <00:21:17.728>of <00:21:17.845>power <00:21:17.961>in <00:21:18.078>the <00:21:18.195>hands <00:21:18.311>of <00:21:18.428>one <00:21:18.545>person

527
00:21:18.965 --> 00:21:20.385
<00:21:18.965>and <00:21:19.147>they <00:21:19.330>might <00:21:19.512>feel <00:21:19.695>a <00:21:19.877>sense <00:21:20.060>of <00:21:20.243>security

528
00:21:20.385 --> 00:21:22.905
<00:21:20.385>that <00:21:20.585>there's <00:21:20.785>at <00:21:20.985>least, <00:21:21.185>uh, <00:21:21.385>a <00:21:21.585>captain, <00:21:21.785>uh,

529
00:21:23.005 --> 00:21:24.145
<00:21:23.005>you <00:21:23.261>know, <00:21:23.518>running <00:21:23.774>the <00:21:24.031>ship.

530
00:21:24.365 --> 00:21:26.665
<00:21:24.365>Um, <00:21:24.492>as <00:21:24.619>we <00:21:24.746>said, <00:21:24.874>it's <00:21:25.001>usually <00:21:25.128>at <00:21:25.255>the <00:21:25.383>moment <00:21:25.510>a <00:21:25.637>white <00:21:25.765>man,

531
00:21:26.665 --> 00:21:28.865
<00:21:26.665>and <00:21:26.865>that's, <00:21:27.065>um, <00:21:27.264>obviously, <00:21:27.465>you <00:21:27.665>know, <00:21:27.865>got, <00:21:28.065>um,

532
00:21:28.865 --> 00:21:30.105
<00:21:28.865>major <00:21:29.144>issues <00:21:29.423>related <00:21:29.702>to <00:21:29.981>it.

533
00:21:30.125 --> 00:21:32.745
<00:21:30.125>But <00:21:30.405>there's, <00:21:30.685>I <00:21:30.965>think <00:21:31.245>it's <00:21:31.525>unfortunate

534
00:21:32.745 --> 00:21:35.465
<00:21:32.745>that <00:21:32.919>something <00:21:33.094>like <00:21:33.270>Mastodon, <00:21:33.445>that <00:21:33.620>that <00:21:33.794>is <00:21:33.969>so <00:21:34.145>decentralized

535
00:21:35.465 --> 00:21:38.065
<00:21:35.465>and <00:21:35.620>is <00:21:35.776>built <00:21:35.931>with <00:21:36.087>that <00:21:36.242>in <00:21:36.398>mind, <00:21:36.553>um, <00:21:36.709>actually <00:21:36.865>can,

536
00:21:38.085 --> 00:21:39.225
<00:21:38.085>can <00:21:38.290>lose <00:21:38.495>out <00:21:38.700>by <00:21:38.905>doing <00:21:39.110>that

537
00:21:39.225 --> 00:21:41.465
<00:21:39.225>because <00:21:39.352>in <00:21:39.479>theory <00:21:39.606>it <00:21:39.734>should <00:21:39.861>be <00:21:39.988>better <00:21:40.115>for <00:21:40.243>all <00:21:40.370>of <00:21:40.497>the <00:21:40.625>users.

538
00:21:41.765 --> 00:21:45.185
<00:21:41.765>Um, <00:21:41.872>but <00:21:41.980>I <00:21:42.088>guess <00:21:42.195>it <00:21:42.303>also <00:21:42.411>comes <00:21:42.518>down <00:21:42.626>to <00:21:42.734>where <00:21:42.841>you <00:21:42.949>sit <00:21:43.057>in <00:21:43.165>that,

539
00:21:45.405 --> 00:21:47.345
<00:21:45.405>uh, <00:21:45.685>debate <00:21:45.965>around, <00:21:46.245>you <00:21:46.524>know, <00:21:46.805>capitalism.

540
00:21:47.405 --> 00:21:49.945
<00:21:47.405>Do <00:21:47.545>you <00:21:47.685>feel <00:21:47.825>that <00:21:47.965>one <00:21:48.105>person <00:21:48.245>running <00:21:48.385>a <00:21:48.524>company <00:21:48.665>will <00:21:48.805>get

541
00:21:49.945 --> 00:21:51.705
<00:21:49.945>better <00:21:50.178>results <00:21:50.411>than <00:21:50.645>a <00:21:50.878>co-op, <00:21:51.111>for <00:21:51.345>example?

542
00:21:52.125 --> 00:21:54.225
<00:21:52.125>Um, <00:21:52.405>so <00:21:52.685>yeah, <00:21:52.965>it's <00:21:53.245>unfortunate <00:21:53.525>and,

543
00:21:54.225 --> 00:21:56.585
<00:21:54.225>and <00:21:54.365>I'm, <00:21:54.504>I'm <00:21:54.645>really <00:21:54.784>glad <00:21:54.925>to <00:21:55.064>see <00:21:55.205>actually <00:21:55.344>this <00:21:55.485>this <00:21:55.625>move

544
00:21:56.585 --> 00:21:57.585
<00:21:56.585>by <00:21:56.885>Mastodon <00:21:57.185>and <00:21:57.485>I'd

545
00:21:57.585 --> 00:21:58.665
<00:21:57.585>love <00:21:57.693>to <00:21:57.801>know <00:21:57.909>what, <00:21:58.017>what <00:21:58.125>you <00:21:58.233>guys <00:21:58.341>think <00:21:58.449>about <00:21:58.557>it.

546
00:21:58.745 --> 00:22:00.745
<00:21:58.745>'cause <00:21:58.872>I <00:21:58.999>think <00:21:59.126>you <00:21:59.254>probably <00:21:59.381>both <00:21:59.508>use <00:21:59.635>it <00:21:59.763>more <00:21:59.890>than <00:22:00.017>I <00:22:00.145>do.

547
00:22:01.205 --> 00:22:02.385
<00:22:01.205>Um, <00:22:01.470>but <00:22:01.735>it's <00:22:02.001>very <00:22:02.267>interesting.

548
00:22:02.985 --> 00:22:05.105
<00:22:02.985>I <00:22:03.112>think <00:22:03.239>I, <00:22:03.366>I <00:22:03.494>think <00:22:03.621>it <00:22:03.748>matters <00:22:03.875>a <00:22:04.003>little <00:22:04.130>bit <00:22:04.257>on <00:22:04.385>the

549
00:22:05.195 --> 00:22:06.345
<00:22:05.195>edges, <00:22:06.230>right?

550
00:22:06.375 --> 00:22:09.625
<00:22:06.375>Like <00:22:06.530>it's <00:22:06.686>gonna, <00:22:06.841>it'll <00:22:06.997>be <00:22:07.152>an <00:22:07.308>important <00:22:07.463>thing <00:22:07.619>for <00:22:07.775>people

551
00:22:09.625 --> 00:22:13.225
<00:22:09.625>who <00:22:09.752>care <00:22:09.879>a <00:22:10.006>lot <00:22:10.134>about <00:22:10.261>it <00:22:10.388>to <00:22:10.515>either <00:22:10.643>invest <00:22:10.770>more <00:22:10.897>into <00:22:11.025>Mastodon

552
00:22:13.225 --> 00:22:14.865
<00:22:13.225>and <00:22:13.504>use <00:22:13.784>it <00:22:14.064>more <00:22:14.344>because <00:22:14.625>they're

553
00:22:14.865 --> 00:22:15.945
<00:22:14.865>handing <00:22:15.059>it <00:22:15.253>over <00:22:15.448>to <00:22:15.642>a <00:22:15.837>nonprofit.

554
00:22:16.725 --> 00:22:19.745
<00:22:16.725>It <00:22:16.865>will <00:22:17.004>also <00:22:17.145>be <00:22:17.284>used <00:22:17.425>as <00:22:17.564>a <00:22:17.705>ding <00:22:17.844>by <00:22:17.985>other <00:22:18.125>people,

555
00:22:19.975 --> 00:22:21.065
<00:22:19.975>like <00:22:20.302>on <00:22:20.629>the <00:22:20.956>fringes

556
00:22:21.065 --> 00:22:23.825
<00:22:21.065>because <00:22:21.240>they'll <00:22:21.415>be <00:22:21.590>like, <00:22:21.765>oh, <00:22:21.940>nonprofits <00:22:22.115>so <00:22:22.290>your <00:22:22.465>communists

557
00:22:23.925 --> 00:22:25.665
<00:22:23.925>or <00:22:24.158>Socialists <00:22:24.391>or <00:22:24.625>blah, <00:22:24.858>blah, <00:22:25.091>blah, <00:22:25.325>blah.

558
00:22:25.685 --> 00:22:27.825
<00:22:25.685>So <00:22:25.840>I <00:22:25.996>think <00:22:26.151>on <00:22:26.307>the <00:22:26.462>edges <00:22:26.618>it's <00:22:26.773>gonna <00:22:26.929>matter <00:22:27.085>more.

559
00:22:27.985 --> 00:22:29.905
<00:22:27.985>I <00:22:28.159>think <00:22:28.334>the <00:22:28.510>problem <00:22:28.685>Masteron <00:22:28.860>has <00:22:29.034>is <00:22:29.209>it's <00:22:29.385>just,

560
00:22:30.255 --> 00:22:32.745
<00:22:30.255>it's <00:22:30.455>an <00:22:30.655>incredibly <00:22:30.855>crowded <00:22:31.055>market <00:22:31.255>run <00:22:31.455>by <00:22:31.655>a,

561
00:22:32.945 --> 00:22:34.985
<00:22:32.945>a <00:22:33.145>very <00:22:33.345>small <00:22:33.544>number <00:22:33.745>of <00:22:33.945>600 <00:22:34.145>pound <00:22:34.345>gorillas.

562
00:22:35.085 --> 00:22:39.345
<00:22:35.085>And <00:22:35.240>it's <00:22:35.396>diff <00:22:35.551>it's <00:22:35.707>a <00:22:35.862>difficult <00:22:36.018>market <00:22:36.173>to <00:22:36.329>crack, <00:22:36.485>right?

563
00:22:39.565 --> 00:22:43.785
<00:22:39.565>So <00:22:39.720>I'm <00:22:39.876>not <00:22:40.031>sure <00:22:40.187>that <00:22:40.342>having <00:22:40.498>this <00:22:40.653>big <00:22:40.809>altruistic <00:22:40.965>push

564
00:22:43.785 --> 00:22:45.425
<00:22:43.785>around <00:22:43.985>having <00:22:44.185>it <00:22:44.385>be <00:22:44.585>a <00:22:44.785>nonprofit, <00:22:44.985>I <00:22:45.185>mean,

565
00:22:45.535 --> 00:22:47.865
<00:22:45.535>this <00:22:45.675>could <00:22:45.815>also <00:22:45.955>wind <00:22:46.095>up <00:22:46.235>going <00:22:46.375>the <00:22:46.515>route <00:22:46.655>of <00:22:46.795>Mozilla, <00:22:46.935>right?

566
00:22:47.865 --> 00:22:49.105
<00:22:47.865>Like <00:22:48.144>Mozilla <00:22:48.423>is <00:22:48.702>a <00:22:48.981>nonprofit

567
00:22:49.325 --> 00:22:51.825
<00:22:49.325>and <00:22:49.605>it's <00:22:49.885>the <00:22:50.165>sixth <00:22:50.445>most <00:22:50.725>popular

568
00:22:51.825 --> 00:22:53.105
<00:22:51.825>browser <00:22:52.113>at <00:22:52.401>this <00:22:52.689>point, <00:22:52.977>right?

569
00:22:53.365 --> 00:22:56.265
<00:22:53.365>So, <00:22:53.505>you <00:22:53.645>know, <00:22:53.785>I <00:22:53.925>think <00:22:54.065>it's <00:22:54.205>gonna <00:22:54.345>matter <00:22:54.485>on <00:22:54.625>the <00:22:54.765>edges,

570
00:22:56.285 --> 00:22:58.305
<00:22:56.285>but <00:22:56.440>I <00:22:56.596>don't <00:22:56.751>think <00:22:56.907>it's <00:22:57.062>gonna <00:22:57.218>make <00:22:57.373>a <00:22:57.529>difference <00:22:57.685>in

571
00:22:58.305 --> 00:22:59.825
<00:22:58.305>the <00:22:58.761>market <00:22:59.217>in <00:22:59.673>general.

572
00:23:00.535 --> 00:23:03.425
<00:23:00.535>Well, <00:23:00.710>it's <00:23:00.885>interesting <00:23:01.060>'cause <00:23:01.235>Pixel <00:23:01.410>Fed <00:23:01.585>is <00:23:01.760>now, <00:23:01.935>uh,

573
00:23:03.425 --> 00:23:05.505
<00:23:03.425>basically <00:23:03.774>an <00:23:04.125>Instagram, <00:23:04.475>uh, <00:23:04.825>alternative

574
00:23:05.505 --> 00:23:06.905
<00:23:05.505>that <00:23:05.685>a <00:23:05.865>lot <00:23:06.045>of <00:23:06.225>people <00:23:06.405>are <00:23:06.585>flocking <00:23:06.764>to.

575
00:23:06.925 --> 00:23:09.105
<00:23:06.925>So <00:23:07.080>that's <00:23:07.236>basically <00:23:07.391>feels <00:23:07.547>like <00:23:07.702>a <00:23:07.858>new <00:23:08.013>blue <00:23:08.169>sky <00:23:08.325>thing.

576
00:23:09.105 --> 00:23:11.905
<00:23:09.105>And <00:23:09.260>that's <00:23:09.416>only <00:23:09.571>since <00:23:09.727>yesterday, <00:23:09.882>like <00:23:10.038>it <00:23:10.193>basically <00:23:10.349>in <00:23:10.505>China

577
00:23:11.965 --> 00:23:14.265
<00:23:11.965>and <00:23:12.120>in <00:23:12.276>other <00:23:12.431>places <00:23:12.587>people <00:23:12.742>use <00:23:12.898>it <00:23:13.053>instead <00:23:13.209>of <00:23:13.365>Instagram.

578
00:23:14.845 --> 00:23:16.585
<00:23:14.845>And <00:23:15.045>when <00:23:15.245>I <00:23:15.445>tried <00:23:15.645>it <00:23:15.845>out <00:23:16.045>this <00:23:16.245>morning,

579
00:23:16.685 --> 00:23:20.415
<00:23:16.685>the <00:23:16.812>first <00:23:16.939>option <00:23:17.066>it <00:23:17.194>told <00:23:17.321>me <00:23:17.448>to <00:23:17.575>log <00:23:17.703>in <00:23:17.830>with <00:23:17.957>Mastodon, <00:23:18.085>which,

580
00:23:20.515 --> 00:23:22.975
<00:23:20.515>uh, <00:23:20.690>I <00:23:20.865>didn't <00:23:21.040>even <00:23:21.215>know <00:23:21.390>what <00:23:21.565>was <00:23:21.740>an <00:23:21.915>option

581
00:23:23.035 --> 00:23:24.415
<00:23:23.035>for <00:23:23.190>a <00:23:23.345>lot, <00:23:23.500>a <00:23:23.656>lot <00:23:23.811>of <00:23:23.966>the <00:23:24.121>other <00:23:24.277>things.

582
00:23:24.435 --> 00:23:28.215
<00:23:24.435>So <00:23:24.562>that <00:23:24.689>was, <00:23:24.816>uh, <00:23:24.944>that <00:23:25.071>was <00:23:25.198>an <00:23:25.325>interesting <00:23:25.453>idea <00:23:25.580>to <00:23:25.707>see, <00:23:25.835>uh,

583
00:23:28.325 --> 00:23:31.935
<00:23:28.325>with <00:23:28.441>Meta <00:23:28.558>going <00:23:28.675>the <00:23:28.791>way <00:23:28.908>it <00:23:29.025>is <00:23:29.141>that <00:23:29.258>people <00:23:29.375>go <00:23:29.491>away <00:23:29.608>from <00:23:29.725>the,

584
00:23:32.155 --> 00:23:35.615
<00:23:32.155>the, <00:23:32.355>uh, <00:23:32.555>other <00:23:32.754>products <00:23:32.955>like <00:23:33.155>Instagram <00:23:33.355>and <00:23:33.555>uh,

585
00:23:35.635 --> 00:23:37.095
<00:23:35.635>and <00:23:36.292>WhatsApp. <00:23:36.949>But

586
00:23:37.245 --> 00:23:39.295
<00:23:37.245>Yeah, <00:23:37.385>but <00:23:37.524>I <00:23:37.665>mean, <00:23:37.804>you <00:23:37.945>have <00:23:38.084>to <00:23:38.225>remember <00:23:38.364>that <00:23:38.504>our <00:23:38.645>community,

587
00:23:40.715 --> 00:23:43.295
<00:23:40.715>our <00:23:40.948>community <00:23:41.181>is <00:23:41.415>still <00:23:41.648>relatively <00:23:41.881>small <00:23:42.115>right?

588
00:23:44.255 --> 00:23:45.725
<00:23:44.255>Relative <00:23:44.444>to <00:23:44.633>the <00:23:44.822>user <00:23:45.011>numbers <00:23:45.200>that <00:23:45.389>we're <00:23:45.578>talking.

589
00:23:45.785 --> 00:23:47.365
<00:23:45.785>So, <00:23:45.985>I <00:23:46.185>mean, <00:23:46.385>when <00:23:46.585>we <00:23:46.785>say <00:23:46.985>a <00:23:47.185>lot

590
00:23:47.365 --> 00:23:50.285
<00:23:47.365>of <00:23:47.520>people <00:23:47.676>are <00:23:47.831>going <00:23:47.987>away <00:23:48.142>from <00:23:48.298>meta, <00:23:48.453>at <00:23:48.609>the <00:23:48.765>end

591
00:23:50.285 --> 00:23:51.405
<00:23:50.285>of <00:23:50.453>the <00:23:50.621>day <00:23:50.789>it's <00:23:50.957>a <00:23:51.125>rounding <00:23:51.293>error

592
00:23:51.465 --> 00:23:53.845
<00:23:51.465>and <00:23:51.581>all <00:23:51.698>of <00:23:51.814>our <00:23:51.931>parents <00:23:52.048>are <00:23:52.165>on <00:23:52.281>meta <00:23:52.398>and <00:23:52.514>all <00:23:52.631>of <00:23:52.748>our <00:23:52.865>aunts

593
00:23:53.845 --> 00:23:55.445
<00:23:53.845>and <00:23:54.195>uncles <00:23:54.545>and <00:23:54.895>grandpas <00:23:55.245>and,

594
00:23:56.225 --> 00:24:01.165
<00:23:56.225>and <00:23:56.365>that, <00:23:56.504>that <00:23:56.645>combined <00:23:56.784>user <00:23:56.925>number <00:23:57.064>is, <00:23:57.205>is <00:23:57.344>way <00:23:57.485>larger <00:23:57.625>than,

595
00:24:01.555 --> 00:24:05.685
<00:24:01.555>than <00:24:01.835>the <00:24:02.115>invested <00:24:02.395>interested <00:24:02.675>more <00:24:02.955>technical.

596
00:24:06.035 --> 00:24:08.685
<00:24:06.035>Yeah. <00:24:06.175>Now <00:24:06.315>I <00:24:06.455>do <00:24:06.595>think <00:24:06.735>that <00:24:06.875>those <00:24:07.015>platforms <00:24:07.155>have <00:24:07.295>a <00:24:07.435>problem

597
00:24:08.685 --> 00:24:10.165
<00:24:08.685>with <00:24:09.129>young <00:24:09.572>people, <00:24:10.017>right?

598
00:24:10.165 --> 00:24:12.245
<00:24:10.165>With <00:24:10.340>the <00:24:10.514>upcoming, <00:24:10.690>I <00:24:10.865>think <00:24:11.040>in <00:24:11.215>the <00:24:11.389>next <00:24:11.565>day

599
00:24:12.245 --> 00:24:13.605
<00:24:12.245>or <00:24:12.448>two <00:24:12.653>it <00:24:12.857>could <00:24:13.061>be <00:24:13.264>that <00:24:13.469>TikTok

600
00:24:13.605 --> 00:24:14.765
<00:24:13.605>gets <00:24:13.813>banned <00:24:14.022>in <00:24:14.231>the <00:24:14.440>United <00:24:14.649>States.

601
00:24:15.315 --> 00:24:16.805
<00:24:15.315>Yeah. <00:24:16.656>Um,

602
00:24:16.945 --> 00:24:18.045
<00:24:16.945>and <00:24:17.192>there're <00:24:17.440>already, <00:24:17.687>there's <00:24:17.935>already

603
00:24:18.045 --> 00:24:19.325
<00:24:18.045>these <00:24:18.333>movements <00:24:18.621>around <00:24:18.909>to <00:24:19.197>this.

604
00:24:19.385 --> 00:24:21.405
<00:24:19.385>I'd <00:24:19.618>like <00:24:19.851>this <00:24:20.085>other <00:24:20.318>Chinese <00:24:20.551>app <00:24:20.785>and,

605
00:24:21.465 --> 00:24:23.845
<00:24:21.465>and <00:24:21.665>there's, <00:24:21.865>there's <00:24:22.064>these, <00:24:22.264>all <00:24:22.465>these <00:24:22.665>viral <00:24:22.865>videos

606
00:24:24.065 --> 00:24:27.405
<00:24:24.065>of <00:24:24.205>young <00:24:24.345>people <00:24:24.485>in <00:24:24.625>America <00:24:24.765>who <00:24:24.905>are <00:24:25.045>like <00:24:25.185>making <00:24:25.325>video <00:24:25.465>content

607
00:24:27.625 --> 00:24:29.565
<00:24:27.625>and <00:24:27.825>learning <00:24:28.025>Mandarin <00:24:28.225>at <00:24:28.425>the <00:24:28.625>same <00:24:28.825>time <00:24:29.025>so

608
00:24:29.565 --> 00:24:31.165
<00:24:29.565>that <00:24:29.798>they <00:24:30.031>can <00:24:30.265>use <00:24:30.498>this <00:24:30.731>new <00:24:30.965>platform.

609
00:24:31.945 --> 00:24:33.285
<00:24:31.945>So <00:24:32.186>I, <00:24:32.427>I <00:24:32.668>do <00:24:32.909>think <00:24:33.151>that,

610
00:24:33.285 --> 00:24:35.805
<00:24:33.285>that <00:24:33.485>the <00:24:33.685>legacy <00:24:33.885>platforms <00:24:34.085>have <00:24:34.285>a <00:24:34.485>problem <00:24:34.685>with,

611
00:24:36.075 --> 00:24:37.325
<00:24:36.075>with <00:24:36.450>the <00:24:36.825>young <00:24:37.200>people.

612
00:24:38.185 --> 00:24:42.885
<00:24:38.185>Um, <00:24:38.301>but <00:24:38.418>you <00:24:38.534>know, <00:24:38.651>the, <00:24:38.768>in <00:24:38.885>terms <00:24:39.001>of <00:24:39.118>like <00:24:39.235>the <00:24:39.351>numbers <00:24:39.468>of <00:24:39.585>aunts

613
00:24:42.885 --> 00:24:43.925
<00:24:42.885>and <00:24:43.197>uncles <00:24:43.509>and <00:24:43.821>grandpas

614
00:24:43.925 --> 00:24:46.165
<00:24:43.925>and <00:24:44.080>grandmas <00:24:44.236>out <00:24:44.391>there, <00:24:44.547>they're, <00:24:44.702>they're <00:24:44.858>not <00:24:45.013>moving <00:24:45.169>off <00:24:45.325>of,

615
00:24:46.265 --> 00:24:47.605
<00:24:46.265>off <00:24:46.566>of <00:24:46.868>platforms <00:24:47.169>like <00:24:47.471>Meta.

616
00:24:48.315 --> 00:24:49.845
<00:24:48.315>Well, <00:24:48.468>it <00:24:48.621>was <00:24:48.774>like <00:24:48.927>that <00:24:49.080>when <00:24:49.233>we <00:24:49.386>were <00:24:49.539>in <00:24:49.692>Yahoo.

617
00:24:49.945 --> 00:24:51.805
<00:24:49.945>We <00:24:50.145>always <00:24:50.345>were <00:24:50.544>going <00:24:50.745>for <00:24:50.945>the <00:24:51.145>teenage <00:24:51.345>market

618
00:24:52.045 --> 00:24:53.525
<00:24:52.045>'cause <00:24:52.211>they're <00:24:52.378>the <00:24:52.544>ones <00:24:52.711>that <00:24:52.877>spent <00:24:53.044>the <00:24:53.210>most <00:24:53.377>money.

619
00:24:53.625 --> 00:24:55.285
<00:24:53.625>But <00:24:53.825>the, <00:24:54.025>when <00:24:54.225>I <00:24:54.425>remember <00:24:54.625>as <00:24:54.825>a <00:24:55.025>teenager,

620
00:24:55.405 --> 00:24:57.365
<00:24:55.405>I <00:24:55.605>had <00:24:55.805>a <00:24:56.004>different <00:24:56.205>favorite <00:24:56.405>band <00:24:56.605>every <00:24:56.805>week.

621
00:24:57.955 --> 00:24:59.965
<00:24:57.955>Like, <00:24:58.110>you <00:24:58.266>know, <00:24:58.421>and <00:24:58.577>it <00:24:58.732>seems <00:24:58.888>to <00:24:59.043>be <00:24:59.199>the <00:24:59.355>same

622
00:24:59.965 --> 00:25:00.965
<00:24:59.965>with <00:25:00.264>apps <00:25:00.564>these <00:25:00.865>days.

623
00:25:01.035 --> 00:25:03.565
<00:25:01.035>Like, <00:25:01.175>I, <00:25:01.315>I <00:25:01.455>don't, <00:25:01.595>I <00:25:01.735>don't <00:25:01.875>really <00:25:02.015>care <00:25:02.155>about <00:25:02.295>them <00:25:02.435>anymore.

624
00:25:03.835 --> 00:25:06.165
<00:25:03.835>What <00:25:04.010>I <00:25:04.185>found <00:25:04.360>interesting <00:25:04.535>was <00:25:04.710>the <00:25:04.885>difference <00:25:05.060>between <00:25:05.235>TikTok

625
00:25:06.185 --> 00:25:09.565
<00:25:06.185>for <00:25:06.385>Chinese <00:25:06.585>teenagers <00:25:06.784>and <00:25:06.985>TikTok <00:25:07.185>for <00:25:07.385>American <00:25:07.585>teenagers.

626
00:25:09.805 --> 00:25:12.485
<00:25:09.805>'cause <00:25:09.960>there's <00:25:10.116>a <00:25:10.271>lot <00:25:10.427>of <00:25:10.582>like <00:25:10.738>educational <00:25:10.893>material <00:25:11.049>on <00:25:11.205>TikTok

627
00:25:12.485 --> 00:25:14.805
<00:25:12.485>in <00:25:12.685>China <00:25:12.885>and <00:25:13.084>lots <00:25:13.284>of <00:25:13.485>random <00:25:13.685>horse <00:25:13.885>s**t.

628
00:25:14.905 --> 00:25:16.965
<00:25:14.905>Uh, <00:25:15.138>the <00:25:15.371>AI <00:25:15.605>generated <00:25:15.838>stuff <00:25:16.071>in <00:25:16.305>America,

629
00:25:17.625 --> 00:25:20.485
<00:25:17.625>or <00:25:17.780>like <00:25:17.936>addictive <00:25:18.091>stuff <00:25:18.247>like, <00:25:18.402>uh, <00:25:18.558>you <00:25:18.713>know, <00:25:18.869>like <00:25:19.025>the,

630
00:25:20.485 --> 00:25:21.565
<00:25:20.485>these, <00:25:20.727>these <00:25:20.971>kind <00:25:21.214>of <00:25:21.457>things.

631
00:25:21.585 --> 00:25:23.405
<00:25:21.585>So <00:25:21.865>that <00:25:22.145>was <00:25:22.425>an <00:25:22.705>interesting <00:25:22.985>thing.

632
00:25:23.405 --> 00:25:25.925
<00:25:23.405>There <00:25:23.560>was <00:25:23.716>also <00:25:23.871>the, <00:25:24.027>the <00:25:24.182>post <00:25:24.338>that <00:25:24.493>that, <00:25:24.649>uh, <00:25:24.805>uh,

633
00:25:26.225 --> 00:25:28.045
<00:25:26.225>TikTok <00:25:26.504>is <00:25:26.784>selling <00:25:27.064>to <00:25:27.344>Elon <00:25:27.625>Musk,

634
00:25:28.045 --> 00:25:29.485
<00:25:28.045>which <00:25:28.261>turned <00:25:28.477>out <00:25:28.693>to <00:25:28.908>be <00:25:29.125>like <00:25:29.341>fake.

635
00:25:30.065 --> 00:25:32.285
<00:25:30.065>Uh, <00:25:30.240>but <00:25:30.415>yeah, <00:25:30.590>it, <00:25:30.765>it, <00:25:30.940>it's, <00:25:31.115>it's <00:25:31.290>an <00:25:31.465>interesting,

636
00:25:32.355 --> 00:25:33.565
<00:25:32.355>it's <00:25:32.718>an <00:25:33.081>interesting <00:25:33.444>bit.

637
00:25:34.065 --> 00:25:37.445
<00:25:34.065>But <00:25:34.220>yeah, <00:25:34.376>the, <00:25:34.531>the <00:25:34.687>logging <00:25:34.842>in <00:25:34.998>with <00:25:35.153>Mastodon, <00:25:35.309>logging <00:25:35.465>in

638
00:25:37.445 --> 00:25:40.765
<00:25:37.445>with <00:25:37.600>federated <00:25:37.756>content, <00:25:37.911>I, <00:25:38.067>I <00:25:38.222>don't <00:25:38.378>see <00:25:38.533>that <00:25:38.689>going <00:25:38.845>anywhere

639
00:25:40.975 --> 00:25:43.405
<00:25:40.975>where, <00:25:41.208>where <00:25:41.441>people <00:25:41.675>are <00:25:41.908>technically <00:25:42.141>non <00:25:42.375>verse.

640
00:25:43.685 --> 00:25:45.325
<00:25:43.685>'cause <00:25:43.885>it <00:25:44.085>just <00:25:44.284>seems <00:25:44.485>to <00:25:44.685>be <00:25:44.885>too <00:25:45.085>complex.

641
00:25:46.025 --> 00:25:48.405
<00:25:46.025>And <00:25:46.165>Dan, <00:25:46.305>you <00:25:46.445>agreed <00:25:46.585>with <00:25:46.725>that <00:25:46.865>when <00:25:47.005>you <00:25:47.145>tried <00:25:47.285>it, <00:25:47.425>right?

642
00:25:49.315 --> 00:25:51.005
<00:25:49.315>Yeah. <00:25:49.515>Yeah. <00:25:49.715>I <00:25:49.915>do <00:25:50.115>find <00:25:50.315>it <00:25:50.515>too <00:25:50.715>complex.

643
00:25:51.085 --> 00:25:52.845
<00:25:51.085>I <00:25:51.365>think <00:25:51.645>it's, <00:25:51.925>um, <00:25:52.205>really <00:25:52.485>unintuitive

644
00:25:52.845 --> 00:25:53.925
<00:25:52.845>and <00:25:53.169>it <00:25:53.493>complicates <00:25:53.817>things

645
00:25:53.985 --> 00:25:56.325
<00:25:53.985>by <00:25:54.140>asking <00:25:54.296>you <00:25:54.451>about <00:25:54.607>servers <00:25:54.762>when <00:25:54.918>you're, <00:25:55.073>you're <00:25:55.229>so <00:25:55.385>used

646
00:25:56.325 --> 00:25:58.245
<00:25:56.325>to <00:25:56.465>this <00:25:56.605>way <00:25:56.745>of <00:25:56.885>thinking <00:25:57.025>of, <00:25:57.165>well, <00:25:57.305>I <00:25:57.445>just <00:25:57.585>want <00:25:57.725>it

647
00:25:58.245 --> 00:26:00.045
<00:25:58.245>to <00:25:58.524>be@masteron.com <00:25:58.804>or <00:25:59.084>whatever <00:25:59.364>it <00:25:59.645>is.

648
00:26:00.585 --> 00:26:03.045
<00:26:00.585>Um, <00:26:00.725>so <00:26:00.865>it's <00:26:01.005>just <00:26:01.145>fundamentally, <00:26:01.285>uh, <00:26:01.425>it <00:26:01.565>feels <00:26:01.705>like <00:26:01.845>it's <00:26:01.985>out,

649
00:26:03.265 --> 00:26:04.325
<00:26:03.265>out <00:26:03.583>doing <00:26:03.901>something <00:26:04.219>different,

650
00:26:04.345 --> 00:26:06.885
<00:26:04.345>but <00:26:04.520>actually <00:26:04.695>by <00:26:04.870>doing <00:26:05.045>that, <00:26:05.220>it's <00:26:05.395>harder <00:26:05.570>to <00:26:05.745>use

651
00:26:06.885 --> 00:26:08.045
<00:26:06.885>and <00:26:07.034>that <00:26:07.183>makes <00:26:07.332>you <00:26:07.481>not <00:26:07.630>wanna <00:26:07.779>use <00:26:07.929>it.

652
00:26:08.045 --> 00:26:09.925
<00:26:08.045>Uh, <00:26:08.220>that's <00:26:08.395>why <00:26:08.570>I <00:26:08.745>never <00:26:08.920>really, <00:26:09.095>um, <00:26:09.270>adopted <00:26:09.445>it,

653
00:26:09.925 --> 00:26:11.965
<00:26:09.925>even <00:26:10.041>though <00:26:10.158>when <00:26:10.274>I <00:26:10.391>went <00:26:10.508>back <00:26:10.625>to <00:26:10.741>what <00:26:10.858>I <00:26:10.975>said <00:26:11.091>at <00:26:11.208>the <00:26:11.325>start,

654
00:26:12.025 --> 00:26:14.925
<00:26:12.025>the <00:26:12.225>values <00:26:12.425>of <00:26:12.625>it <00:26:12.825>completely <00:26:13.025>align <00:26:13.225>with <00:26:13.425>me.

655
00:26:14.945 --> 00:26:17.085
<00:26:14.945>So <00:26:15.120>I <00:26:15.294>think <00:26:15.470>if <00:26:15.645>I <00:26:15.820>align <00:26:15.995>with <00:26:16.169>its <00:26:16.345>values

656
00:26:17.105 --> 00:26:19.085
<00:26:17.105>and <00:26:17.245>I <00:26:17.385>still <00:26:17.525>don't <00:26:17.665>use <00:26:17.805>it, <00:26:17.945>then <00:26:18.085>there's <00:26:18.225>plenty <00:26:18.365>of <00:26:18.505>people

657
00:26:19.085 --> 00:26:20.805
<00:26:19.085>that, <00:26:19.318>um, <00:26:19.551>are <00:26:19.785>in <00:26:20.018>a <00:26:20.251>similar <00:26:20.485>position.

658
00:26:21.075 --> 00:26:23.365
<00:26:21.075>Well, <00:26:21.215>the <00:26:21.355>other <00:26:21.495>thing <00:26:21.635>is, <00:26:21.775>of <00:26:21.915>course <00:26:22.055>there <00:26:22.195>was <00:26:22.335>this <00:26:22.475>Free

659
00:26:23.365 --> 00:26:26.565
<00:26:23.365>of <00:26:23.598>Feeds <00:26:23.831>campaign, <00:26:24.065>which <00:26:24.298>is <00:26:24.531>basically, <00:26:24.765>uh,

660
00:26:26.565 --> 00:26:29.605
<00:26:26.565>that <00:26:26.720>was <00:26:26.876>a <00:26:27.031>response <00:26:27.187>to, <00:26:27.342>uh, <00:26:27.498>uh, <00:26:27.653>to <00:26:27.809>Metas <00:26:27.965>changes

661
00:26:30.135 --> 00:26:31.325
<00:26:30.135>where <00:26:30.492>it <00:26:30.849>says <00:26:31.206>like,

662
00:26:31.325 --> 00:26:33.725
<00:26:31.325>safe <00:26:31.558>social <00:26:31.791>media <00:26:32.025>from <00:26:32.258>billionaire <00:26:32.491>capture <00:26:32.725>capture.

663
00:26:33.945 --> 00:26:36.045
<00:26:33.945>And <00:26:34.145>it's <00:26:34.345>a <00:26:34.544>lot <00:26:34.745>of <00:26:34.945>people <00:26:35.145>from <00:26:35.345>Mozilla

664
00:26:36.925 --> 00:26:39.585
<00:26:36.925>and <00:26:37.205>other <00:26:37.485>like, <00:26:37.764>for <00:26:38.044>good <00:26:38.325>companies

665
00:26:39.805 --> 00:26:42.385
<00:26:39.805>and <00:26:39.960>the <00:26:40.116>author <00:26:40.271>of <00:26:40.427>the <00:26:40.582>Filter <00:26:40.738>bubble <00:26:40.893>book <00:26:41.049>and <00:26:41.205>stuff.

666
00:26:43.385 --> 00:26:46.525
<00:26:43.385>Uh, <00:26:43.665>I <00:26:43.945>wonder <00:26:44.225>if <00:26:44.504>it's <00:26:44.785>actually,

667
00:26:46.625 --> 00:26:48.245
<00:26:46.625>if <00:26:46.858>it's <00:26:47.091>actually <00:26:47.325>gonna <00:26:47.558>make <00:26:47.791>a <00:26:48.025>difference.

668
00:26:48.435 --> 00:26:50.445
<00:26:48.435>What, <00:26:48.635>what <00:26:48.835>are <00:26:49.034>your <00:26:49.235>thoughts <00:26:49.435>on <00:26:49.635>that, <00:26:49.835>Brian?

669
00:26:50.445 --> 00:26:51.605
<00:26:50.445>Have <00:26:50.653>you <00:26:50.862>looked <00:26:51.071>at <00:26:51.280>that <00:26:51.489>or?

670
00:26:52.865 --> 00:26:55.355
<00:26:52.865>Yeah, <00:26:52.992>I <00:26:53.119>mean, <00:26:53.246>I, <00:26:53.374>I <00:26:53.501>saw <00:26:53.628>the <00:26:53.755>news <00:26:53.883>that <00:26:54.010>came <00:26:54.137>across <00:26:54.265>it.

671
00:26:55.575 --> 00:26:57.395
<00:26:55.575>Um, <00:26:56.041>you <00:26:56.508>know, <00:26:56.975>it,

672
00:26:57.415 --> 00:27:00.355
<00:26:57.415>it <00:26:57.590>seems <00:26:57.764>like <00:26:57.940>Blue <00:26:58.115>Skies <00:26:58.290>having <00:26:58.465>its <00:26:58.639>moment, <00:26:58.815>right?

673
00:27:00.855 --> 00:27:04.795
<00:27:00.855>Um, <00:27:01.010>and <00:27:01.166>maybe <00:27:01.321>it's <00:27:01.477>the <00:27:01.632>one <00:27:01.788>that'll <00:27:01.943>get <00:27:02.099>some <00:27:02.255>market

674
00:27:05.075 --> 00:27:06.355
<00:27:05.075>traction <00:27:05.305>and <00:27:05.535>sort <00:27:05.766>of <00:27:05.996>take <00:27:06.227>off.

675
00:27:06.355 --> 00:27:11.285
<00:27:06.355>Whereas <00:27:06.635>Mastodon <00:27:06.915>had, <00:27:07.195>has <00:27:07.475>that <00:27:07.755>problem

676
00:27:11.315 --> 00:27:12.965
<00:27:11.315>with <00:27:11.595>like, <00:27:11.875>dealing <00:27:12.155>with <00:27:12.435>servers <00:27:12.715>and,

677
00:27:13.105 --> 00:27:15.885
<00:27:13.105>and <00:27:13.260>the <00:27:13.416>distributed <00:27:13.571>nature <00:27:13.727>of <00:27:13.882>it <00:27:14.038>where <00:27:14.193>maybe <00:27:14.349>Blue <00:27:14.505>Scott,

678
00:27:15.905 --> 00:27:20.485
<00:27:15.905>but <00:27:16.080>I <00:27:16.254>mean, <00:27:16.430>we <00:27:16.605>all, <00:27:16.780>the, <00:27:16.955>the <00:27:17.129>worst <00:27:17.305>thing

679
00:27:20.605 --> 00:27:23.965
<00:27:20.605>that <00:27:20.780>can <00:27:20.955>happen <00:27:21.130>to <00:27:21.305>altruistic <00:27:21.480>efforts <00:27:21.655>is <00:27:21.830>those <00:27:22.005>altruistic

680
00:27:23.965 --> 00:27:25.965
<00:27:23.965>efforts <00:27:24.165>suddenly <00:27:24.365>find <00:27:24.564>themselves <00:27:24.764>sitting <00:27:24.965>on <00:27:25.165>a <00:27:25.365>pile

681
00:27:25.965 --> 00:27:27.735
<00:27:25.965>of <00:27:26.665>cash, <00:27:27.365>right?

682
00:27:28.075 --> 00:27:32.375
<00:27:28.075>And <00:27:28.250>yeah, <00:27:28.425>so, <00:27:28.600>you <00:27:28.775>know, <00:27:28.950>maybe <00:27:29.125>it's, <00:27:29.300>maybe <00:27:29.475>it's

683
00:27:32.375 --> 00:27:34.375
<00:27:32.375>because <00:27:32.550>I'm <00:27:32.725>just <00:27:32.900>an <00:27:33.075>old <00:27:33.250>cynic <00:27:33.425>at <00:27:33.600>this <00:27:33.775>point,

684
00:27:34.595 --> 00:27:38.615
<00:27:34.595>but, <00:27:34.795>you <00:27:34.995>know, <00:27:35.195>I <00:27:35.395>I'm <00:27:35.595>not <00:27:35.795>sure <00:27:35.995>that

685
00:27:39.625 --> 00:27:41.475
<00:27:39.625>rich <00:27:39.975>people <00:27:40.325>telling <00:27:40.675>poor <00:27:41.025>people

686
00:27:41.585 --> 00:27:43.435
<00:27:41.585>that <00:27:41.818>the <00:27:42.051>even <00:27:42.285>richer <00:27:42.518>are <00:27:42.751>the <00:27:42.985>problem.

687
00:27:44.545 --> 00:27:47.405
<00:27:44.545>And <00:27:44.685>then <00:27:44.825>using <00:27:44.965>that <00:27:45.105>to <00:27:45.245>generate <00:27:45.385>a <00:27:45.525>funding <00:27:45.665>model <00:27:45.805>for <00:27:45.945>like,

688
00:27:47.645 --> 00:27:49.405
<00:27:47.645>I <00:27:47.785>don't <00:27:47.925>know, <00:27:48.065>it <00:27:48.205>just, <00:27:48.345>we'll <00:27:48.485>see <00:27:48.625>how <00:27:48.764>it <00:27:48.905>plays <00:27:49.045>out.

689
00:27:49.505 --> 00:27:50.505
But,

690
00:27:51.185 --> 00:27:53.485
<00:27:51.185>And <00:27:51.325>also <00:27:51.465>is <00:27:51.605>like <00:27:51.745>the, <00:27:51.885>the <00:27:52.024>where <00:27:52.165>does <00:27:52.304>the <00:27:52.445>money <00:27:52.585>go

691
00:27:53.485 --> 00:27:55.325
<00:27:53.485>and <00:27:53.640>what <00:27:53.796>do <00:27:53.951>they <00:27:54.107>do <00:27:54.262>with <00:27:54.418>it <00:27:54.573>is <00:27:54.729>something <00:27:54.885>that,

692
00:27:55.325 --> 00:27:57.445
<00:27:55.325>it <00:27:55.500>always <00:27:55.675>fascinated <00:27:55.850>me <00:27:56.025>when <00:27:56.200>I <00:27:56.375>worked <00:27:56.550>at <00:27:56.725>Mozilla

693
00:27:57.445 --> 00:28:00.325
<00:27:57.445>and <00:27:57.585>I <00:27:57.725>saw <00:27:57.865>the <00:27:58.004>CEO <00:27:58.145>salaries <00:27:58.284>compared <00:27:58.425>to <00:27:58.564>what <00:27:58.705>we <00:27:58.845>had

694
00:28:00.385 --> 00:28:03.045
<00:28:00.385>for <00:28:00.618>the <00:28:00.851>community, <00:28:01.085>it <00:28:01.318>felt <00:28:01.551>like, <00:28:01.785>uh,

695
00:28:04.185 --> 00:28:05.725
<00:28:04.185>not <00:28:04.462>the <00:28:04.739>right <00:28:05.016>way <00:28:05.293>to <00:28:05.571>go.

696
00:28:06.225 --> 00:28:08.285
<00:28:06.225>But <00:28:06.399>that <00:28:06.574>said, <00:28:06.750>I'm <00:28:06.925>trying <00:28:07.100>to <00:28:07.274>get <00:28:07.449>a <00:28:07.625>few

697
00:28:08.285 --> 00:28:09.565
<00:28:08.285>of <00:28:08.515>those <00:28:08.745>people <00:28:08.976>on <00:28:09.206>the <00:28:09.437>show

698
00:28:09.585 --> 00:28:10.965
<00:28:09.585>as <00:28:09.792>well <00:28:09.999>and <00:28:10.206>actually <00:28:10.413>talk <00:28:10.620>to <00:28:10.827>them.

699
00:28:11.085 --> 00:28:13.365
<00:28:11.085>I <00:28:11.212>mean, <00:28:11.339>Robin, <00:28:11.466>I <00:28:11.594>know <00:28:11.721>quite <00:28:11.848>well, <00:28:11.975>so <00:28:12.103>it <00:28:12.230>will <00:28:12.357>be <00:28:12.485>interesting

700
00:28:13.365 --> 00:28:16.285
<00:28:13.365>to <00:28:13.520>see <00:28:13.676>where <00:28:13.831>that <00:28:13.987>came <00:28:14.142>from <00:28:14.298>and <00:28:14.453>what <00:28:14.609>it <00:28:14.765>does.

701
00:28:16.345 --> 00:28:17.645
<00:28:16.345>But <00:28:16.735>the, <00:28:17.125>the, <00:28:17.514>the,

702
00:28:17.705 --> 00:28:20.325
<00:28:17.705>the <00:28:17.860>mid-level <00:28:18.016>rich <00:28:18.171>people <00:28:18.327>telling <00:28:18.482>the <00:28:18.638>others <00:28:18.793>are <00:28:18.949>the <00:28:19.105>problem

703
00:28:20.905 --> 00:28:24.005
<00:28:20.905>is <00:28:21.045>a <00:28:21.185>very <00:28:21.325>interesting, <00:28:21.465>uh, <00:28:21.605>aspect <00:28:21.745>that <00:28:21.885>you <00:28:22.024>brought <00:28:22.165>up <00:28:22.305>there.

704
00:28:24.005 --> 00:28:25.445
<00:28:24.005>So <00:28:24.190>that's <00:28:24.375>something <00:28:24.560>I <00:28:24.745>can <00:28:24.930>throw <00:28:25.115>at <00:28:25.301>them

705
00:28:25.465 --> 00:28:27.325
<00:28:25.465>and <00:28:25.639>see <00:28:25.814>what <00:28:25.990>they, <00:28:26.165>what <00:28:26.340>they <00:28:26.514>think <00:28:26.689>of <00:28:26.865>it.

706
00:28:27.945 --> 00:28:30.205
<00:28:27.945>But <00:28:28.100>yeah, <00:28:28.256>I <00:28:28.411>mean <00:28:28.567>it's, <00:28:28.722>at <00:28:28.878>least <00:28:29.033>there's <00:28:29.189>a <00:28:29.345>discussion,

707
00:28:30.305 --> 00:28:31.525
<00:28:30.305>so <00:28:30.488>I <00:28:30.671>think <00:28:30.854>that's <00:28:31.037>a <00:28:31.220>good <00:28:31.403>thing.

708
00:28:31.865 --> 00:28:35.005
<00:28:31.865>So <00:28:32.020>that <00:28:32.176>was <00:28:32.331>basically <00:28:32.487>the, <00:28:32.642>the, <00:28:32.798>the <00:28:32.953>quick <00:28:33.109>fire <00:28:33.265>round,

709
00:28:35.005 --> 00:28:36.405
<00:28:35.005>which <00:28:35.257>we <00:28:35.509>didn't <00:28:35.761>do <00:28:36.013>too <00:28:36.264>quick,

710
00:28:36.465 --> 00:28:39.405
<00:28:36.465>but <00:28:36.605>we <00:28:36.745>already, <00:28:36.885>uh, <00:28:37.024>we <00:28:37.165>already, <00:28:37.304>we <00:28:37.445>already <00:28:37.584>have <00:28:37.725>more <00:28:37.865>stuff

711
00:28:39.405 --> 00:28:42.445
<00:28:39.405>to <00:28:39.638>talk <00:28:39.871>about <00:28:40.105>than <00:28:40.338>Js <00:28:40.571>Rising <00:28:40.805>Stars.

712
00:28:42.555 --> 00:28:44.845
<00:28:42.555>This <00:28:42.755>is <00:28:42.955>not <00:28:43.155>a <00:28:43.355>JavaScript, <00:28:43.555>uh, <00:28:43.755>uh, <00:28:43.955>like

713
00:28:45.485 --> 00:28:46.565
<00:28:45.485>snowflake <00:28:45.727>the <00:28:45.971>other <00:28:46.214>way <00:28:46.457>around.

714
00:28:46.745 --> 00:28:50.005
<00:28:46.745>But <00:28:46.885>this <00:28:47.024>is <00:28:47.165>about <00:28:47.304>like <00:28:47.445>the, <00:28:47.584>uh, <00:28:47.725>the <00:28:47.864>survey <00:28:48.004>about <00:28:48.145>like,

715
00:28:50.005 --> 00:28:52.605
<00:28:50.005>what <00:28:50.238>are <00:28:50.471>the <00:28:50.705>most <00:28:50.938>successful <00:28:51.171>JavaScript <00:28:51.405>thingies

716
00:28:52.945 --> 00:28:54.005
<00:28:52.945>you <00:28:53.183>looked <00:28:53.422>into <00:28:53.660>that <00:28:53.899>mm-hmm.

717
00:28:54.235 --> 00:28:56.525
<00:28:54.235>What <00:28:54.409>was <00:28:54.584>the <00:28:54.760>findings <00:28:54.935>that <00:28:55.110>you <00:28:55.284>wanted <00:28:55.459>to <00:28:55.635>share?

718
00:28:57.305 --> 00:29:00.085
<00:28:57.305>Um, <00:28:57.480>uh, <00:28:57.655>I <00:28:57.830>think <00:28:58.005>it <00:28:58.180>nothing <00:28:58.355>too <00:28:58.530>surprising, <00:28:58.705>right?

719
00:29:00.205 --> 00:29:02.645
<00:29:00.205>I <00:29:00.345>think <00:29:00.485>we, <00:29:00.625>we <00:29:00.764>often <00:29:00.905>see <00:29:01.044>in, <00:29:01.185>in <00:29:01.324>the <00:29:01.465>JavaScript <00:29:01.605>kind

720
00:29:02.645 --> 00:29:05.085
<00:29:02.645>of <00:29:02.925>ecosystem <00:29:03.205>these, <00:29:03.485>uh, <00:29:03.764>popular <00:29:04.045>things

721
00:29:05.085 --> 00:29:07.565
<00:29:05.085>that <00:29:05.225>are <00:29:05.365>talked <00:29:05.505>about, <00:29:05.645>whether <00:29:05.785>it <00:29:05.925>be <00:29:06.065>from, <00:29:06.205>you <00:29:06.345>know, <00:29:06.485>uh,

722
00:29:07.565 --> 00:29:09.645
<00:29:07.565>things <00:29:07.720>that <00:29:07.876>just <00:29:08.031>pair <00:29:08.187>with <00:29:08.342>it <00:29:08.498>nicely, <00:29:08.653>like <00:29:08.809>Tailwind, <00:29:08.965>um,

723
00:29:09.665 --> 00:29:12.245
<00:29:09.665>or <00:29:09.840>of <00:29:10.014>course <00:29:10.190>things <00:29:10.365>like <00:29:10.540>View <00:29:10.715>Next, <00:29:10.889>et <00:29:11.065>cetera.

724
00:29:12.545 --> 00:29:14.885
<00:29:12.545>Um, <00:29:12.700>so <00:29:12.856>there <00:29:13.011>weren't <00:29:13.167>any <00:29:13.322>huge <00:29:13.478>surprises <00:29:13.633>in <00:29:13.789>terms <00:29:13.945>of

725
00:29:14.885 --> 00:29:16.765
<00:29:14.885>where <00:29:15.085>the <00:29:15.285>popular, <00:29:15.485>you <00:29:15.685>know, <00:29:15.885>what <00:29:16.085>the <00:29:16.285>popular,

726
00:29:17.025 --> 00:29:18.205
<00:29:17.025>um, <00:29:17.556>technologies <00:29:18.087>were.

727
00:29:18.265 --> 00:29:20.205
<00:29:18.265>But <00:29:18.615>I <00:29:18.965>was <00:29:19.315>slightly <00:29:19.665>surprised,

728
00:29:20.205 --> 00:29:21.845
<00:29:20.205>and <00:29:20.321>I <00:29:20.438>think, <00:29:20.554>you <00:29:20.671>know, <00:29:20.788>you <00:29:20.905>were <00:29:21.021>as <00:29:21.138>well <00:29:21.254>when <00:29:21.371>we <00:29:21.488>spoke <00:29:21.605>about

729
00:29:21.845 --> 00:29:26.365
<00:29:21.845>it, <00:29:21.972>um, <00:29:22.099>seeing <00:29:22.226>Shad <00:29:22.354>cn, <00:29:22.481>uh, <00:29:22.608>as <00:29:22.735>the <00:29:22.863>most <00:29:22.990>popular <00:29:23.117>ui <00:29:23.245>uh,

730
00:29:26.365 --> 00:29:29.765
<00:29:26.365>component <00:29:26.540>library <00:29:26.715>because, <00:29:26.890>um, <00:29:27.065>it, <00:29:27.240>I <00:29:27.415>have <00:29:27.590>an <00:29:27.765>issue

731
00:29:29.765 --> 00:29:32.405
<00:29:29.765>with <00:29:29.905>its <00:29:30.045>name <00:29:30.185>and <00:29:30.325>I <00:29:30.465>know <00:29:30.605>that <00:29:30.745>is <00:29:30.885>totally <00:29:31.025>un <00:29:31.165>unrelated,

732
00:29:32.405 --> 00:29:33.725
<00:29:32.405>but <00:29:32.702>it's, <00:29:32.999>it, <00:29:33.295>it's <00:29:33.592>meant

733
00:29:33.725 --> 00:29:35.525
<00:29:33.725>that <00:29:33.899>I <00:29:34.074>haven't <00:29:34.250>really <00:29:34.425>looked <00:29:34.600>into <00:29:34.774>it <00:29:34.949>too <00:29:35.125>deeply

734
00:29:35.585 --> 00:29:37.165
<00:29:35.585>and <00:29:35.818>actually <00:29:36.051>looked <00:29:36.285>at <00:29:36.518>using <00:29:36.751>it <00:29:36.985>personally.

735
00:29:37.165 --> 00:29:38.245
<00:29:37.165>I <00:29:37.489>use <00:29:37.812>Tailwind, <00:29:38.137>uh,

736
00:29:38.245 --> 00:29:40.605
<00:29:38.245>because <00:29:38.478>the, <00:29:38.711>the <00:29:38.945>name <00:29:39.178>looks <00:29:39.411>very <00:29:39.645>strange.

737
00:29:40.765 --> 00:29:42.110
<00:29:40.765>I <00:29:40.937>can't <00:29:41.110>figure <00:29:41.283>out <00:29:41.456>if <00:29:41.629>it's <00:29:41.802>the <00:29:41.975>name

738
00:29:42.110 --> 00:29:44.245
<00:29:42.110>of <00:29:42.237>the <00:29:42.364>person <00:29:42.491>who's <00:29:42.619>made <00:29:42.746>it, <00:29:42.873>it <00:29:43.000>doesn't <00:29:43.128>mean <00:29:43.255>anything <00:29:43.382>to <00:29:43.510>me,

739
00:29:44.265 --> 00:29:47.125
<00:29:44.265>but <00:29:44.420>it's <00:29:44.576>hugely <00:29:44.731>popular, <00:29:44.887>um, <00:29:45.042>obviously <00:29:45.198>by <00:29:45.353>looking <00:29:45.509>at <00:29:45.665>this.

740
00:29:47.425 --> 00:29:49.125
<00:29:47.425>And <00:29:47.565>I <00:29:47.705>think <00:29:47.845>that <00:29:47.985>this <00:29:48.125>just <00:29:48.264>gives <00:29:48.405>us <00:29:48.544>a <00:29:48.685>little <00:29:48.825>bit

741
00:29:49.125 --> 00:29:50.485
<00:29:49.125>of <00:29:49.369>a <00:29:49.614>snapshot <00:29:49.859>of, <00:29:50.104>you <00:29:50.349>know,

742
00:29:50.585 --> 00:29:52.565
<00:29:50.585>what's <00:29:50.865>generally <00:29:51.145>popular <00:29:51.425>in <00:29:51.705>the <00:29:51.985>ecosystem.

743
00:29:52.785 --> 00:29:54.285
<00:29:52.785>The <00:29:52.935>only <00:29:53.085>thing <00:29:53.235>that <00:29:53.385>did <00:29:53.535>jump <00:29:53.685>out <00:29:53.835>at <00:29:53.985>me <00:29:54.135>though,

744
00:29:54.285 --> 00:29:55.885
<00:29:54.285>and <00:29:54.440>I <00:29:54.596>just <00:29:54.751>find <00:29:54.907>the <00:29:55.062>category <00:29:55.218>where <00:29:55.373>it <00:29:55.529>was, <00:29:55.685>um,

745
00:29:56.175 --> 00:30:00.485
<00:29:56.175>front <00:29:56.375>end <00:29:56.575>Frameworks, <00:29:56.774>HTMX <00:29:56.975>as <00:29:57.175>number <00:29:57.375>one, <00:29:57.575>um,

746
00:30:01.085 --> 00:30:02.285
<00:30:01.085>I <00:30:01.265>don't <00:30:01.445>know <00:30:01.625>why <00:30:01.805>that <00:30:01.985>surprised <00:30:02.165>me.

747
00:30:02.365 --> 00:30:04.045
<00:30:02.365>I <00:30:02.715>think <00:30:03.065>it, <00:30:03.415>I <00:30:03.765>personally,

748
00:30:04.045 --> 00:30:05.405
<00:30:04.045>I've <00:30:04.249>not <00:30:04.453>looked <00:30:04.657>at <00:30:04.861>it <00:30:05.065>very <00:30:05.269>closely.

749
00:30:05.705 --> 00:30:07.205
<00:30:05.705>It <00:30:05.975>never <00:30:06.245>really <00:30:06.514>gets <00:30:06.784>talked <00:30:07.054>about.

750
00:30:07.225 --> 00:30:10.565
<00:30:07.225>It <00:30:07.380>almost <00:30:07.536>gets <00:30:07.691>talked <00:30:07.847>about <00:30:08.002>in <00:30:08.158>a <00:30:08.313>slightly <00:30:08.469>jokey <00:30:08.625>Mimi,

751
00:30:11.085 --> 00:30:13.085
<00:30:11.085>Mimi <00:30:11.285>kind <00:30:11.485>of <00:30:11.685>way <00:30:11.885>as, <00:30:12.085>uh, <00:30:12.285>some <00:30:12.485>way

752
00:30:13.085 --> 00:30:15.605
<00:30:13.085>that <00:30:13.318>backend <00:30:13.551>developers <00:30:13.785>can <00:30:14.018>finally <00:30:14.251>make <00:30:14.485>websites

753
00:30:15.605 --> 00:30:16.845
<00:30:15.605>and <00:30:15.828>make <00:30:16.051>them <00:30:16.274>look <00:30:16.497>half <00:30:16.721>decent.

754
00:30:16.945 --> 00:30:18.445
<00:30:16.945>But <00:30:17.215>I <00:30:17.485>dunno <00:30:17.754>enough <00:30:18.024>about <00:30:18.294>it

755
00:30:18.445 --> 00:30:19.485
<00:30:18.445>to <00:30:18.601>really <00:30:18.756>know <00:30:18.913>if <00:30:19.069>that's <00:30:19.225>the <00:30:19.380>case.

756
00:30:19.545 --> 00:30:21.445
<00:30:19.545>But <00:30:19.745>it <00:30:19.945>surprised, <00:30:20.145>it <00:30:20.345>surprised <00:30:20.545>me <00:30:20.745>a <00:30:20.945>lot

757
00:30:21.445 --> 00:30:22.565
<00:30:21.445>to <00:30:21.697>see <00:30:21.949>that <00:30:22.201>above <00:30:22.453>react.

758
00:30:22.585 --> 00:30:23.605
<00:30:22.585>Is <00:30:22.768>there, <00:30:22.952>is <00:30:23.135>there <00:30:23.319>a <00:30:23.503>reason,

759
00:30:23.625 --> 00:30:24.645
<00:30:23.625>is <00:30:23.808>there <00:30:23.992>a <00:30:24.175>skewing <00:30:24.359>in <00:30:24.543>the

760
00:30:24.885 --> 00:30:25.965
<00:30:24.885>statistics <00:30:25.079>that's <00:30:25.273>causing <00:30:25.468>that <00:30:25.662>to <00:30:25.857>happen?

761
00:30:26.685 --> 00:30:28.725
<00:30:26.685>I <00:30:26.885>wonder <00:30:27.085>if <00:30:27.284>that's <00:30:27.485>just <00:30:27.685>about <00:30:27.885>the <00:30:28.085>metric

762
00:30:28.725 --> 00:30:31.725
<00:30:28.725>that <00:30:28.865>they <00:30:29.004>look <00:30:29.145>just <00:30:29.284>how <00:30:29.425>much <00:30:29.564>increase <00:30:29.705>in <00:30:29.844>stars <00:30:29.985>it <00:30:30.125>had.

763
00:30:31.745 --> 00:30:34.485
<00:30:31.745>And <00:30:31.900>it <00:30:32.056>is <00:30:32.211>newer, <00:30:32.367>so <00:30:32.522>probably <00:30:32.678>it <00:30:32.833>got <00:30:32.989>more <00:30:33.145>stars

764
00:30:34.485 --> 00:30:35.685
<00:30:34.485>because <00:30:34.754>it's <00:30:35.024>a <00:30:35.294>new <00:30:35.565>thing.

765
00:30:36.065 --> 00:30:38.925
<00:30:36.065>So <00:30:36.240>comparing <00:30:36.415>that <00:30:36.590>with <00:30:36.765>the <00:30:36.940>age <00:30:37.115>of <00:30:37.290>the <00:30:37.465>product

766
00:30:39.105 --> 00:30:40.445
<00:30:39.105>or <00:30:39.346>making <00:30:39.587>a <00:30:39.828>mean <00:30:40.069>out <00:30:40.311>of

767
00:30:40.445 --> 00:30:43.365
<00:30:40.445>that <00:30:40.585>one <00:30:40.725>would <00:30:40.865>probably <00:30:41.004>be <00:30:41.145>a <00:30:41.284>better <00:30:41.425>way <00:30:41.564>of <00:30:41.705>measuring <00:30:41.845>it.

768
00:30:43.485 --> 00:30:46.485
<00:30:43.485>I <00:30:43.601>agree. <00:30:43.718>Like <00:30:43.834>a <00:30:43.951>lot <00:30:44.068>of <00:30:44.185>people <00:30:44.301>look <00:30:44.418>at <00:30:44.534>HTMX <00:30:44.651>and <00:30:44.768>uh, <00:30:44.885>uh,

769
00:30:46.545 --> 00:30:48.725
<00:30:46.545>and, <00:30:46.685>uh, <00:30:46.825>uh, <00:30:46.965>I, <00:30:47.105>I <00:30:47.245>liked <00:30:47.385>it <00:30:47.525>when <00:30:47.665>it <00:30:47.805>came <00:30:47.945>out.

770
00:30:48.805 --> 00:30:51.325
<00:30:48.805>I <00:30:48.980>liked <00:30:49.155>the <00:30:49.330>idea <00:30:49.505>of <00:30:49.680>just, <00:30:49.855>uh, <00:30:50.030>it <00:30:50.205>had

771
00:30:51.325 --> 00:30:53.965
<00:30:51.325>that <00:30:51.605>Jake <00:30:51.885>very <00:30:52.165>simplicity <00:30:52.445>to <00:30:52.725>it,

772
00:30:54.015 --> 00:30:57.165
<00:30:54.015>where <00:30:54.170>basically <00:30:54.326>it <00:30:54.481>gives <00:30:54.637>you <00:30:54.792>like <00:30:54.948>a <00:30:55.103>two-way, <00:30:55.259>uh, <00:30:55.415>uh,

773
00:30:57.165 --> 00:31:00.085
<00:30:57.165>components, <00:30:57.365>two-way, <00:30:57.565>uh, <00:30:57.764>components <00:30:57.965>talking <00:30:58.165>to <00:30:58.365>each <00:30:58.565>other

774
00:31:00.085 --> 00:31:01.245
<00:31:00.085>with <00:31:00.607>HTML <00:31:01.129>attributes.

775
00:31:01.665 --> 00:31:04.285
<00:31:01.665>So <00:31:01.820>it <00:31:01.976>feels <00:31:02.131>like <00:31:02.287>angular <00:31:02.442>without <00:31:02.598>being <00:31:02.753>for <00:31:02.909>old <00:31:03.065>people.

776
00:31:04.945 --> 00:31:07.965
<00:31:04.945>And, <00:31:05.145>uh, <00:31:05.345>it, <00:31:05.544>it's <00:31:05.745>just, <00:31:05.945>it's <00:31:06.145>just <00:31:06.345>a,

777
00:31:08.205 --> 00:31:10.445
<00:31:08.205>a <00:31:08.405>very <00:31:08.605>interesting <00:31:08.804>different <00:31:09.004>approach <00:31:09.205>to <00:31:09.405>the, <00:31:09.605>uh,

778
00:31:10.965 --> 00:31:14.165
<00:31:10.965>I <00:31:11.081>guess <00:31:11.198>the, <00:31:11.314>the, <00:31:11.431>uh, <00:31:11.548>the <00:31:11.665>freshness <00:31:11.781>of <00:31:11.898>it <00:31:12.014>would <00:31:12.131>be <00:31:12.248>that <00:31:12.365>it,

779
00:31:14.185 --> 00:31:17.565
<00:31:14.185>uh, <00:31:14.340>it <00:31:14.496>goes, <00:31:14.651>takes <00:31:14.807>away <00:31:14.962>with <00:31:15.118>all <00:31:15.273>the, <00:31:15.429>like <00:31:15.585>here,

780
00:31:17.565 --> 00:31:18.565
<00:31:17.565>if <00:31:17.745>you <00:31:17.925>set <00:31:18.105>up <00:31:18.285>your <00:31:18.465>server

781
00:31:18.665 --> 00:31:20.885
<00:31:18.665>and <00:31:18.820>you <00:31:18.976>have <00:31:19.131>to <00:31:19.287>use <00:31:19.442>the <00:31:19.598>debugging <00:31:19.753>tools <00:31:19.909>off <00:31:20.065>the

782
00:31:20.885 --> 00:31:22.125
<00:31:20.885>framework, <00:31:21.108>you <00:31:21.331>have <00:31:21.554>to <00:31:21.777>do <00:31:22.001>that.

783
00:31:22.395 --> 00:31:24.205
<00:31:22.395>It's <00:31:22.675>all <00:31:22.955>like <00:31:23.235>HTML <00:31:23.514>and <00:31:23.795>JavaScript,

784
00:31:24.225 --> 00:31:26.525
<00:31:24.225>and <00:31:24.352>you <00:31:24.479>can <00:31:24.606>use <00:31:24.734>whatever <00:31:24.861>browser <00:31:24.988>you <00:31:25.115>want <00:31:25.243>to <00:31:25.370>do <00:31:25.497>with <00:31:25.625>it,

785
00:31:26.785 --> 00:31:30.005
<00:31:26.785>so <00:31:26.925>you <00:31:27.065>don't <00:31:27.205>have <00:31:27.345>to <00:31:27.485>subscribe <00:31:27.625>to <00:31:27.765>the <00:31:27.905>React, <00:31:28.045>uh, <00:31:28.185>uh,

786
00:31:30.005 --> 00:31:32.125
<00:31:30.005>world <00:31:30.238>if <00:31:30.471>you <00:31:30.705>want <00:31:30.938>to <00:31:31.171>use <00:31:31.405>HTMX.

787
00:31:32.625 --> 00:31:36.285
<00:31:32.625>But, <00:31:32.765>uh, <00:31:32.905>I <00:31:33.045>haven't, <00:31:33.185>I <00:31:33.325>haven't <00:31:33.465>used <00:31:33.605>it <00:31:33.745>in <00:31:33.885>earnest <00:31:34.025>yet.

788
00:31:36.745 --> 00:31:38.445
<00:31:36.745>Uh, <00:31:36.978>Brian, <00:31:37.211>what <00:31:37.445>are <00:31:37.678>you <00:31:37.911>working <00:31:38.145>on?

789
00:31:38.445 --> 00:31:40.645
<00:31:38.445>What, <00:31:38.620>what <00:31:38.794>are, <00:31:38.970>what <00:31:39.145>are <00:31:39.320>your <00:31:39.495>products <00:31:39.669>built <00:31:39.845>on?

790
00:31:41.065 --> 00:31:43.605
<00:31:41.065>Uh, <00:31:41.265>our <00:31:41.465>products <00:31:41.665>are <00:31:41.865>actually, <00:31:42.065>our, <00:31:42.265>our <00:31:42.465>app

791
00:31:43.625 --> 00:31:45.805
<00:31:43.625>and <00:31:43.800>our <00:31:43.975>web <00:31:44.150>front <00:31:44.325>end <00:31:44.500>are <00:31:44.675>built <00:31:44.850>in <00:31:45.025>flutter.

792
00:31:46.065 --> 00:31:49.165
<00:31:46.065>So <00:31:46.220>we <00:31:46.376>actually <00:31:46.531>have <00:31:46.687>one <00:31:46.842>of <00:31:46.998>the <00:31:47.153>largest <00:31:47.309>flutter, <00:31:47.465>um,

793
00:31:49.685 --> 00:31:52.445
<00:31:49.685>applications <00:31:50.385>around <00:31:51.085>Cool.

794
00:31:52.585 --> 00:31:55.125
<00:31:52.585>Um, <00:31:52.865>for <00:31:53.145>our <00:31:53.425>customer <00:31:53.705>facing <00:31:53.985>stuff.

795
00:31:55.145 --> 00:31:57.365
<00:31:55.145>Of <00:31:55.320>course, <00:31:55.495>our <00:31:55.670>backstage <00:31:55.845>stuff <00:31:56.020>that <00:31:56.195>we <00:31:56.370>build <00:31:56.545>internally,

796
00:31:57.535 --> 00:31:58.725
<00:31:57.535>we're <00:31:57.892>building <00:31:58.249>and <00:31:58.606>react.

797
00:31:59.065 --> 00:32:02.725
<00:31:59.065>Um, <00:31:59.298>but <00:31:59.531>yeah, <00:31:59.765>we, <00:31:59.998>uh, <00:32:00.231>we <00:32:00.465>went

798
00:32:02.725 --> 00:32:05.005
<00:32:02.725>with <00:32:02.880>the <00:32:03.036>flutter <00:32:03.191>route <00:32:03.347>on <00:32:03.502>our, <00:32:03.658>on <00:32:03.813>our <00:32:03.969>front <00:32:04.125>end.

799
00:32:06.245 --> 00:32:08.015
<00:32:06.245>Okay. <00:32:06.945>That's <00:32:07.645>interesting

800
00:32:08.015 --> 00:32:10.695
<00:32:08.015>because <00:32:08.170>I <00:32:08.326>mean, <00:32:08.481>I've <00:32:08.637>seen, <00:32:08.792>I've <00:32:08.948>seen <00:32:09.103>it, <00:32:09.259>uh, <00:32:09.415>uh,

801
00:32:10.695 --> 00:32:12.575
<00:32:10.695>getting <00:32:10.870>a <00:32:11.044>lot <00:32:11.220>of <00:32:11.395>attention <00:32:11.570>a <00:32:11.745>few <00:32:11.919>years <00:32:12.095>ago

802
00:32:12.595 --> 00:32:13.775
<00:32:12.595>and <00:32:12.772>then <00:32:12.949>it <00:32:13.126>kind <00:32:13.303>of <00:32:13.480>went <00:32:13.657>away.

803
00:32:13.775 --> 00:32:15.735
<00:32:13.775>There <00:32:13.950>was <00:32:14.125>also <00:32:14.300>a <00:32:14.475>thing <00:32:14.650>about <00:32:14.825>Swift <00:32:15.000>right <00:32:15.175>now

804
00:32:15.735 --> 00:32:18.255
<00:32:15.735>where <00:32:15.909>people <00:32:16.084>complaining <00:32:16.260>a <00:32:16.435>lot <00:32:16.610>about <00:32:16.784>the <00:32:16.959>language <00:32:17.135>itself

805
00:32:18.305 --> 00:32:20.335
<00:32:18.305>being, <00:32:18.655>uh, <00:32:19.005>destroyed <00:32:19.355>by <00:32:19.705>Apple

806
00:32:20.335 --> 00:32:23.055
<00:32:20.335>because <00:32:20.510>of <00:32:20.685>decisions <00:32:20.860>that, <00:32:21.035>that <00:32:21.210>in <00:32:21.385>the <00:32:21.560>syntax <00:32:21.735>that,

807
00:32:23.055 --> 00:32:24.575
<00:32:23.055>that <00:32:23.328>the <00:32:23.602>community <00:32:23.875>doesn't <00:32:24.149>agree <00:32:24.423>with.

808
00:32:25.315 --> 00:32:28.735
<00:32:25.315>Solata <00:32:25.470>seems <00:32:25.626>to <00:32:25.781>be <00:32:25.937>like <00:32:26.092>the <00:32:26.248>cross <00:32:26.403>platform <00:32:26.559>mobile <00:32:26.715>thing

809
00:32:29.085 --> 00:32:30.415
<00:32:29.085>that <00:32:29.284>a <00:32:29.484>lot <00:32:29.683>of <00:32:29.883>people <00:32:30.082>forgot <00:32:30.282>about.

810
00:32:30.995 --> 00:32:32.975
<00:32:30.995>Yep. <00:32:31.274>But <00:32:31.554>yeah, <00:32:31.834>so <00:32:32.114>I <00:32:32.395>mean,

811
00:32:32.975 --> 00:32:35.455
<00:32:32.975>It's, <00:32:33.175>it's, <00:32:33.375>so <00:32:33.574>the, <00:32:33.774>the <00:32:33.975>flutter <00:32:34.175>community <00:32:34.375>is,

812
00:32:35.655 --> 00:32:37.335
<00:32:35.655>I <00:32:35.855>would <00:32:36.055>say <00:32:36.254>the <00:32:36.455>Fluter <00:32:36.655>community <00:32:36.855>is <00:32:37.055>small

813
00:32:37.335 --> 00:32:38.495
<00:32:37.335>but <00:32:37.857>zealous, <00:32:38.379>right?

814
00:32:39.225 --> 00:32:40.225
<00:32:39.225>So, <00:32:40.125>yes.

815
00:32:41.475 --> 00:32:43.925
<00:32:41.475>Cool. <00:32:41.649>So <00:32:41.824>these <00:32:42.000>are <00:32:42.175>the <00:32:42.350>rising <00:32:42.524>stars <00:32:42.699>and <00:32:42.875>things.

816
00:32:43.925 --> 00:32:45.085
<00:32:43.925>So <00:32:44.133>yeah, <00:32:44.342>it <00:32:44.551>will <00:32:44.760>be <00:32:44.969>interesting

817
00:32:45.085 --> 00:32:46.965
<00:32:45.085>to <00:32:45.318>take <00:32:45.551>a <00:32:45.785>look <00:32:46.018>at <00:32:46.251>more <00:32:46.485>closely

818
00:32:47.185 --> 00:32:48.325
<00:32:47.185>how <00:32:47.441>these <00:32:47.698>things <00:32:47.954>were <00:32:48.211>measured.

819
00:32:48.545 --> 00:32:50.845
<00:32:48.545>If <00:32:48.720>it's <00:32:48.895>really <00:32:49.070>that <00:32:49.245>something <00:32:49.420>new <00:32:49.595>gets <00:32:49.770>more <00:32:49.945>stars,

820
00:32:50.995 --> 00:32:52.725
<00:32:50.995>it's <00:32:51.274>already <00:32:51.554>a <00:32:51.834>winner, <00:32:52.114>is <00:32:52.395>seems

821
00:32:52.725 --> 00:32:54.285
<00:32:52.725>to <00:32:52.925>be <00:32:53.125>a <00:32:53.324>weird, <00:32:53.524>uh, <00:32:53.725>thing <00:32:53.925>to <00:32:54.125>me.

822
00:32:54.985 --> 00:32:57.565
<00:32:54.985>Uh, <00:32:55.218>because <00:32:55.451>we <00:32:55.685>also <00:32:55.918>saw <00:32:56.151>last <00:32:56.385>show,

823
00:32:57.565 --> 00:32:59.605
<00:32:57.565>we <00:32:57.765>talked <00:32:57.965>about <00:32:58.165>all <00:32:58.365>these <00:32:58.565>fake <00:32:58.765>stars <00:32:58.965>on

824
00:32:59.605 --> 00:33:00.765
<00:32:59.605>GitHub <00:32:59.953>that <00:33:00.301>people <00:33:00.649>buy.

825
00:33:01.385 --> 00:33:03.765
<00:33:01.385>So <00:33:01.585>it <00:33:01.785>feels <00:33:01.985>like, <00:33:02.185>yeah, <00:33:02.385>it's <00:33:02.585>like, <00:33:02.785>Hey,

826
00:33:03.865 --> 00:33:05.205
<00:33:03.865>we <00:33:04.106>got <00:33:04.347>more <00:33:04.588>internet <00:33:04.829>points <00:33:05.071>than

827
00:33:05.205 --> 00:33:06.285
<00:33:05.205>you, <00:33:05.399>that <00:33:05.593>don't <00:33:05.788>make <00:33:05.982>any <00:33:06.177>sense.

828
00:33:06.865 --> 00:33:08.845
<00:33:06.865>So <00:33:07.098>that <00:33:07.331>feels <00:33:07.565>like <00:33:07.798>a <00:33:08.031>weird <00:33:08.265>comparison.

829
00:33:09.735 --> 00:33:11.925
<00:33:09.735>Let's, <00:33:09.909>let's <00:33:10.084>move <00:33:10.260>on, <00:33:10.435>uh, <00:33:10.610>to <00:33:10.784>the <00:33:10.959>chromium <00:33:11.135>bit.

830
00:33:12.045 --> 00:33:14.005
<00:33:12.045>I <00:33:12.161>mean, <00:33:12.278>this <00:33:12.395>was <00:33:12.511>a <00:33:12.628>meme <00:33:12.745>that <00:33:12.861>was <00:33:12.978>going <00:33:13.095>around <00:33:13.211>for <00:33:13.328>a <00:33:13.445>while

831
00:33:14.005 --> 00:33:16.285
<00:33:14.005>where <00:33:14.205>it <00:33:14.405>says <00:33:14.605>like, <00:33:14.805>we <00:33:15.005>got <00:33:15.205>browser, <00:33:15.405>uh,

832
00:33:16.285 --> 00:33:19.285
<00:33:16.285>diversity <00:33:16.485>is <00:33:16.685>basically <00:33:16.885>open <00:33:17.085>source, <00:33:17.285>Chrome, <00:33:17.485>crypto, <00:33:17.685>Chrome,

833
00:33:19.435 --> 00:33:22.285
<00:33:19.435>Chinese, <00:33:19.635>Chrome, <00:33:19.835>Chrome, <00:33:20.034>Microsoft <00:33:20.235>Chrome, <00:33:20.435>and <00:33:20.635>not <00:33:20.835>Chrome.

834
00:33:22.745 --> 00:33:24.685
<00:33:22.745>And <00:33:23.024>it <00:33:23.304>doesn't <00:33:23.584>show <00:33:23.864>actually <00:33:24.145>Safari

835
00:33:24.705 --> 00:33:26.725
<00:33:24.705>and <00:33:24.879>it <00:33:25.054>doesn't <00:33:25.230>show <00:33:25.405>Vivaldi <00:33:25.580>and <00:33:25.754>those, <00:33:25.929>the <00:33:26.105>others,

836
00:33:26.865 --> 00:33:29.325
<00:33:26.865>but <00:33:27.005>it <00:33:27.145>feels <00:33:27.285>like <00:33:27.425>there <00:33:27.565>is <00:33:27.705>a <00:33:27.845>big <00:33:27.985>issue <00:33:28.125>with <00:33:28.265>it.

837
00:33:29.545 --> 00:33:31.765
<00:33:29.545>And <00:33:29.778>now <00:33:30.011>with <00:33:30.245>Google <00:33:30.478>being <00:33:30.711>maybe <00:33:30.945>forced

838
00:33:31.785 --> 00:33:35.165
<00:33:31.785>to <00:33:31.960>actually <00:33:32.135>sell <00:33:32.310>off <00:33:32.485>Chrome, <00:33:32.660>that's <00:33:32.835>a <00:33:33.010>big <00:33:33.185>issue

839
00:33:35.165 --> 00:33:37.565
<00:33:35.165>because <00:33:35.340>we, <00:33:35.514>uh, <00:33:35.690>so <00:33:35.865>much <00:33:36.040>is <00:33:36.215>dependent <00:33:36.389>on <00:33:36.565>it.

840
00:33:38.185 --> 00:33:41.445
<00:33:38.185>And <00:33:38.325>so <00:33:38.465>that's <00:33:38.605>why <00:33:38.745>there <00:33:38.885>is <00:33:39.024>a, <00:33:39.165>uh, <00:33:39.304>chromium <00:33:39.445>development <00:33:39.585>fund,

841
00:33:41.545 --> 00:33:44.645
<00:33:41.545>uh, <00:33:41.700>uh, <00:33:41.856>fund <00:33:42.011>and <00:33:42.167>the <00:33:42.322>Linux <00:33:42.478>Foundation <00:33:42.633>to <00:33:42.789>stepped <00:33:42.945>in

842
00:33:44.665 --> 00:33:46.085
<00:33:44.665>and <00:33:44.920>took <00:33:45.176>part <00:33:45.431>of <00:33:45.687>it <00:33:45.943>on.

843
00:33:46.585 --> 00:33:48.325
<00:33:46.585>And <00:33:46.818>then <00:33:47.051>it <00:33:47.285>actually <00:33:47.518>shows <00:33:47.751>like <00:33:47.985>which

844
00:33:48.325 --> 00:33:49.525
<00:33:48.325>supporters <00:33:48.541>are <00:33:48.757>in <00:33:48.973>there <00:33:49.189>as <00:33:49.405>well.

845
00:33:49.875 --> 00:33:54.525
<00:33:49.875>That <00:33:50.050>also <00:33:50.225>ties <00:33:50.400>into <00:33:50.575>the <00:33:50.750>whole <00:33:50.925>concept <00:33:51.100>about <00:33:51.275>electron

846
00:33:54.525 --> 00:33:57.285
<00:33:54.525>because, <00:33:54.680>uh, <00:33:54.836>electron <00:33:54.991>apps <00:33:55.147>are <00:33:55.302>built <00:33:55.458>on <00:33:55.613>chromium <00:33:55.769>as <00:33:55.925>well.

847
00:33:57.865 --> 00:34:01.005
<00:33:57.865>So, <00:33:58.040>uh, <00:33:58.215>basically <00:33:58.390>everything <00:33:58.565>that <00:33:58.740>is <00:33:58.915>related <00:33:59.090>to <00:33:59.265>this,

848
00:34:01.145 --> 00:34:03.925
<00:34:01.145>if <00:34:01.272>Google <00:34:01.399>were <00:34:01.526>basically <00:34:01.654>to <00:34:01.781>pull <00:34:01.908>out <00:34:02.035>and <00:34:02.163>have <00:34:02.290>to <00:34:02.417>pull <00:34:02.545>out

849
00:34:03.925 --> 00:34:06.725
<00:34:03.925>and <00:34:04.100>say <00:34:04.274>like, <00:34:04.450>okay, <00:34:04.625>we're <00:34:04.800>not <00:34:04.975>supporting <00:34:05.149>Chromium, <00:34:05.325>uh,

850
00:34:06.755 --> 00:34:08.005
<00:34:06.755>anymore <00:34:07.036>the <00:34:07.317>way <00:34:07.598>we <00:34:07.880>did

851
00:34:08.005 --> 00:34:10.805
<00:34:08.005>because, <00:34:08.160>um, <00:34:08.316>well, <00:34:08.471>you <00:34:08.627>don't <00:34:08.782>make <00:34:08.938>money <00:34:09.093>with <00:34:09.249>a <00:34:09.405>browser.

852
00:34:11.045 --> 00:34:13.845
<00:34:11.045>A <00:34:11.161>browser <00:34:11.278>is <00:34:11.395>a, <00:34:11.511>a <00:34:11.628>means <00:34:11.745>to <00:34:11.861>an <00:34:11.978>end <00:34:12.095>to <00:34:12.211>show <00:34:12.328>people <00:34:12.445>ads

853
00:34:14.185 --> 00:34:15.845
<00:34:14.185>or <00:34:14.418>to <00:34:14.651>sell <00:34:14.884>your <00:34:15.118>services <00:34:15.351>to <00:34:15.585>people.

854
00:34:16.345 --> 00:34:18.645
<00:34:16.344>So <00:34:16.544>Google <00:34:16.745>owning <00:34:16.944>the <00:34:17.145>browser <00:34:17.344>market <00:34:17.544>was <00:34:17.745>great

855
00:34:18.645 --> 00:34:19.845
<00:34:18.645>because <00:34:18.915>they're <00:34:19.185>an <00:34:19.455>ad <00:34:19.725>company

856
00:34:20.065 --> 00:34:22.085
<00:34:20.065>and <00:34:20.240>they're <00:34:20.415>also <00:34:20.590>a <00:34:20.764>search <00:34:20.940>company <00:34:21.115>to <00:34:21.290>a <00:34:21.465>degree,

857
00:34:22.545 --> 00:34:24.245
<00:34:22.545>and <00:34:22.745>that's <00:34:22.945>where, <00:34:23.145>how <00:34:23.345>they <00:34:23.545>made <00:34:23.745>their <00:34:23.945>money.

858
00:34:24.345 --> 00:34:27.325
<00:34:24.344>But <00:34:24.484>now <00:34:24.625>they <00:34:24.764>basically <00:34:24.904>get <00:34:25.044>forced <00:34:25.185>in <00:34:25.324>the <00:34:25.464>whole <00:34:25.605>mono, <00:34:25.745>uh,

859
00:34:27.805 --> 00:34:31.285
<00:34:27.804>monopoly, <00:34:27.960>uh, <00:34:28.116>uh, <00:34:28.271>debate <00:34:28.427>to <00:34:28.582>actually <00:34:28.738>sell <00:34:28.893>off <00:34:29.049>the <00:34:29.205>browser.

860
00:34:31.295 --> 00:34:33.125
<00:34:31.295>Maybe <00:34:31.495>it's <00:34:31.695>not <00:34:31.895>a <00:34:32.095>hundred <00:34:32.295>percent <00:34:32.495>sure <00:34:32.695>yet.

861
00:34:33.645 --> 00:34:35.645
<00:34:33.645>I <00:34:33.820>think <00:34:33.995>this <00:34:34.170>is <00:34:34.344>an <00:34:34.520>interesting <00:34:34.695>one <00:34:34.870>to <00:34:35.045>see

862
00:34:35.735 --> 00:34:37.565
<00:34:35.735>where <00:34:36.085>the <00:34:36.435>chromium <00:34:36.785>can <00:34:37.135>go,

863
00:34:37.705 --> 00:34:40.045
<00:34:37.705>but <00:34:37.904>I <00:34:38.105>don't <00:34:38.304>think <00:34:38.505>there's <00:34:38.705>any <00:34:38.904>other <00:34:39.105>way.

864
00:34:40.225 --> 00:34:42.485
<00:34:40.225>We, <00:34:40.400>uh, <00:34:40.574>Brian, <00:34:40.750>you <00:34:40.924>talked <00:34:41.100>about <00:34:41.275>earlier <00:34:41.449>that, <00:34:41.625>uh,

865
00:34:42.485 --> 00:34:45.365
<00:34:42.485>that <00:34:42.660>Firefox <00:34:42.835>is <00:34:43.010>like <00:34:43.185>a <00:34:43.360>six <00:34:43.535>most <00:34:43.710>used <00:34:43.885>browser,

866
00:34:46.185 --> 00:34:49.965
<00:34:46.185>is <00:34:46.324>browser <00:34:46.465>diversity <00:34:46.605>over, <00:34:46.745>have <00:34:46.884>we, <00:34:47.025>have <00:34:47.165>we <00:34:47.304>lost <00:34:47.445>that <00:34:47.585>fight?

867
00:34:51.005 --> 00:34:52.845
<00:34:51.005>I <00:34:51.205>mean, <00:34:51.405>it's <00:34:51.605>been <00:34:51.805>over <00:34:52.005>for <00:34:52.205>years, <00:34:52.405>right?

868
00:34:53.035 --> 00:34:54.765
<00:34:53.034>Like, <00:34:53.315>I <00:34:53.594>don't <00:34:53.875>know <00:34:54.154>where, <00:34:54.435>like,

869
00:34:54.805 --> 00:34:57.805
<00:34:54.804>I <00:34:55.004>started <00:34:55.205>seeing <00:34:55.404>opera <00:34:55.605>ads <00:34:55.804>in, <00:34:56.004>on <00:34:56.205>YouTube

870
00:34:57.865 --> 00:34:59.685
<00:34:57.865>and <00:34:58.145>stuff <00:34:58.424>about <00:34:58.705>eight <00:34:58.984>months <00:34:59.265>ago

871
00:34:59.685 --> 00:35:03.965
<00:34:59.685>because <00:34:59.825>they <00:34:59.965>mashed <00:35:00.105>a <00:35:00.245>bunch <00:35:00.384>of <00:35:00.525>AI <00:35:00.665>into <00:35:00.805>their <00:35:00.945>browser, <00:35:01.085>right?

872
00:35:04.185 --> 00:35:06.005
<00:35:04.185>And <00:35:04.418>they <00:35:04.651>had <00:35:04.884>this <00:35:05.118>whole <00:35:05.351>campaign <00:35:05.585>about

873
00:35:06.005 --> 00:35:08.215
<00:35:06.005>how <00:35:06.180>it <00:35:06.355>keeps <00:35:06.530>them <00:35:06.705>safe <00:35:06.880>and <00:35:07.055>helps <00:35:07.230>'em <00:35:07.405>safe

874
00:35:08.215 --> 00:35:09.285
<00:35:08.215>and <00:35:08.322>help <00:35:08.429>them <00:35:08.536>shop <00:35:08.643>and <00:35:08.750>all <00:35:08.857>this <00:35:08.964>kind <00:35:09.071>of <00:35:09.178>stuff.

875
00:35:09.345 --> 00:35:11.845
<00:35:09.345>But, <00:35:09.625>you <00:35:09.904>know, <00:35:10.185>it <00:35:10.464>seems <00:35:10.745>like

876
00:35:12.585 --> 00:35:14.245
<00:35:12.585>the <00:35:12.785>browser <00:35:12.985>wars <00:35:13.185>died <00:35:13.385>a <00:35:13.585>long <00:35:13.785>time <00:35:13.985>ago.

877
00:35:15.365 --> 00:35:17.125
<00:35:15.365>Hmm. <00:35:15.598>Well, <00:35:15.831>opera <00:35:16.064>is <00:35:16.298>a <00:35:16.531>different <00:35:16.765>one

878
00:35:17.125 --> 00:35:18.125
<00:35:17.125>because <00:35:17.425>they <00:35:17.725>got <00:35:18.025>sold

879
00:35:18.265 --> 00:35:21.125
<00:35:18.265>to <00:35:18.464>some <00:35:18.665>Chinese <00:35:18.865>money <00:35:19.065>lending <00:35:19.265>company <00:35:19.464>in <00:35:19.665>between,

880
00:35:21.185 --> 00:35:24.245
<00:35:21.185>and <00:35:21.325>then <00:35:21.465>the <00:35:21.605>Opera <00:35:21.745>GT <00:35:21.884>was <00:35:22.025>like <00:35:22.165>always <00:35:22.305>flagged <00:35:22.445>as <00:35:22.585>malware,

881
00:35:24.625 --> 00:35:27.405
<00:35:24.625>and <00:35:24.765>it <00:35:24.905>was <00:35:25.045>sold <00:35:25.185>as <00:35:25.325>the <00:35:25.465>gaming <00:35:25.605>browser, <00:35:25.745>whatever <00:35:25.885>that <00:35:26.025>means.

882
00:35:28.225 --> 00:35:30.045
<00:35:28.225>But <00:35:28.458>then <00:35:28.691>again, <00:35:28.924>Dan, <00:35:29.158>you're <00:35:29.391>using <00:35:29.625>Arc

883
00:35:30.105 --> 00:35:32.285
<00:35:30.105>and <00:35:30.305>it, <00:35:30.505>it <00:35:30.705>didn't <00:35:30.905>work <00:35:31.105>with <00:35:31.305>your <00:35:31.505>microphone.

884
00:35:32.285 --> 00:35:35.365
<00:35:32.285>That's <00:35:32.460>why <00:35:32.634>this <00:35:32.810>time <00:35:32.984>it's <00:35:33.160>much <00:35:33.335>better. <00:35:33.509>So <00:35:33.685>yeah,

885
00:35:35.365 --> 00:35:36.365
<00:35:35.365>It's <00:35:35.589>definitely <00:35:35.814>got <00:35:36.040>issues. <00:35:36.265>It's,

886
00:35:36.365 --> 00:35:37.365
<00:35:36.365>it's <00:35:37.265>fancy

887
00:35:37.425 --> 00:35:38.405
<00:35:37.425>and <00:35:37.601>that <00:35:37.777>it's <00:35:37.954>got <00:35:38.130>some, <00:35:38.307>you

888
00:35:38.405 --> 00:35:39.725
<00:35:38.405>know, <00:35:38.603>slightly <00:35:38.801>different <00:35:38.999>ways <00:35:39.197>of <00:35:39.395>doing <00:35:39.593>things.

889
00:35:39.725 --> 00:35:41.085
<00:35:39.725>But <00:35:39.969>I'm <00:35:40.214>definitely <00:35:40.459>seeing <00:35:40.704>the <00:35:40.949>drawbacks.

890
00:35:41.085 --> 00:35:42.925
<00:35:41.085>And <00:35:41.225>people <00:35:41.365>told <00:35:41.505>me <00:35:41.645>that <00:35:41.785>I <00:35:41.925>would, <00:35:42.065>you <00:35:42.205>know, <00:35:42.345>people <00:35:42.485>said,

891
00:35:43.075 --> 00:35:44.645
<00:35:43.075>yeah, <00:35:43.274>you'll <00:35:43.475>use <00:35:43.674>ARC <00:35:43.875>for <00:35:44.075>a <00:35:44.274>few <00:35:44.475>months

892
00:35:44.645 --> 00:35:46.245
<00:35:44.645>and <00:35:44.800>then <00:35:44.956>you'll <00:35:45.111>start <00:35:45.267>to <00:35:45.422>find <00:35:45.578>the <00:35:45.733>issues, <00:35:45.889>you <00:35:46.045>know,

893
00:35:46.245 --> 00:35:47.445
<00:35:46.245>like <00:35:46.605>the <00:35:46.965>floating <00:35:47.325>window

894
00:35:47.445 --> 00:35:49.325
<00:35:47.445>and <00:35:47.585>you're <00:35:47.725>watching <00:35:47.865>a <00:35:48.005>video <00:35:48.145>that <00:35:48.285>just <00:35:48.425>gets <00:35:48.565>in <00:35:48.705>the <00:35:48.845>way.

895
00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:51.965
<00:35:49.425>And, <00:35:49.565>uh, <00:35:49.705>and <00:35:49.845>then <00:35:49.985>yeah, <00:35:50.125>the, <00:35:50.265>the <00:35:50.405>major <00:35:50.545>issues <00:35:50.685>with, <00:35:50.825>um,

896
00:35:52.215 --> 00:35:54.885
<00:35:52.215>video, <00:35:52.390>but <00:35:52.565>I <00:35:52.740>can't <00:35:52.915>say <00:35:53.090>that <00:35:53.265>it's <00:35:53.440>very <00:35:53.615>often

897
00:35:54.885 --> 00:35:57.205
<00:35:54.885>that <00:35:55.118>I <00:35:55.351>actually <00:35:55.585>come <00:35:55.818>across <00:35:56.051>major <00:35:56.285>differences

898
00:35:57.295 --> 00:35:58.765
<00:35:57.295>quite, <00:35:57.515>quite <00:35:57.736>a <00:35:57.956>lot <00:35:58.177>of <00:35:58.397>the <00:35:58.618>time.

899
00:35:58.785 --> 00:36:00.165
<00:35:58.785>If <00:35:59.033>I <00:35:59.281>move <00:35:59.530>to <00:35:59.778>different <00:36:00.027>browsers,

900
00:36:00.195 --> 00:36:02.565
<00:36:00.195>most <00:36:00.350>things <00:36:00.506>feel <00:36:00.661>like <00:36:00.817>they <00:36:00.972>can <00:36:01.128>support, <00:36:01.283>um, <00:36:01.439>you <00:36:01.595>know,

901
00:36:02.685 --> 00:36:04.285
<00:36:02.685>a <00:36:02.918>range <00:36:03.151>of, <00:36:03.384>uh, <00:36:03.618>browsers <00:36:03.851>a <00:36:04.085>lot

902
00:36:04.285 --> 00:36:05.405
<00:36:04.285>better <00:36:04.453>than <00:36:04.621>they <00:36:04.789>used <00:36:04.957>to, <00:36:05.125>at <00:36:05.293>least.

903
00:36:05.705 --> 00:36:07.285
<00:36:05.705>Um, <00:36:05.938>but <00:36:06.171>yeah, <00:36:06.404>there's <00:36:06.638>definitely <00:36:06.871>still <00:36:07.105>those

904
00:36:07.285 --> 00:36:08.605
<00:36:07.285>issues <00:36:07.582>under <00:36:07.879>the <00:36:08.176>hood, <00:36:08.473>right?

905
00:36:08.605 --> 00:36:09.685
<00:36:08.605>And <00:36:08.767>they're <00:36:08.929>pretty <00:36:09.091>big <00:36:09.253>ones <00:36:09.415>that <00:36:09.577>I,

906
00:36:09.765 --> 00:36:12.525
<00:36:09.765>I <00:36:09.920>just <00:36:10.076>fundamentally <00:36:10.231>cannot <00:36:10.387>use <00:36:10.542>Arc <00:36:10.698>when <00:36:10.853>I'm <00:36:11.009>doing <00:36:11.165>video.

907
00:36:13.725 --> 00:36:16.165
<00:36:13.725>I <00:36:13.924>think <00:36:14.125>there's <00:36:14.325>a <00:36:14.525>fundamental, <00:36:14.725>uh, <00:36:14.924>a <00:36:15.125>misunderstanding

908
00:36:16.165 --> 00:36:18.845
<00:36:16.165>that <00:36:16.398>we've <00:36:16.631>been <00:36:16.865>fighting <00:36:17.098>for <00:36:17.331>since <00:36:17.565>1997

909
00:36:19.195 --> 00:36:21.925
<00:36:19.195>that <00:36:19.350>people <00:36:19.506>just <00:36:19.661>don't <00:36:19.817>understand <00:36:19.972>that <00:36:20.128>no, <00:36:20.283>it <00:36:20.439>doesn't <00:36:20.595>have

910
00:36:21.925 --> 00:36:24.165
<00:36:21.925>to <00:36:22.125>look <00:36:22.325>exactly <00:36:22.525>the <00:36:22.725>same <00:36:22.925>across <00:36:23.125>every <00:36:23.325>browser,

911
00:36:25.155 --> 00:36:26.935
<00:36:25.155>but <00:36:25.310>it's <00:36:25.466>still <00:36:25.621>a <00:36:25.777>thing <00:36:25.932>that <00:36:26.088>people <00:36:26.243>try <00:36:26.399>to <00:36:26.555>do.

912
00:36:26.995 --> 00:36:29.255
<00:36:26.995>And <00:36:27.150>it <00:36:27.306>feels <00:36:27.461>weird <00:36:27.617>that <00:36:27.772>we, <00:36:27.928>that <00:36:28.083>we <00:36:28.239>don't <00:36:28.395>understand

913
00:36:29.255 --> 00:36:31.295
<00:36:29.255>that <00:36:29.430>like, <00:36:29.605>yeah, <00:36:29.780>I, <00:36:29.955>I <00:36:30.130>have <00:36:30.305>a <00:36:30.480>mobile <00:36:30.655>browser

914
00:36:31.295 --> 00:36:33.655
<00:36:31.295>because <00:36:31.528>I <00:36:31.761>don't <00:36:31.995>want <00:36:32.228>these <00:36:32.461>six, <00:36:32.695>uh,

915
00:36:33.655 --> 00:36:35.215
<00:36:33.655>six <00:36:33.935>different <00:36:34.215>rows <00:36:34.495>to <00:36:34.775>show <00:36:35.055>up.

916
00:36:35.575 --> 00:36:37.335
<00:36:35.575>I <00:36:35.774>want <00:36:35.975>a <00:36:36.174>different <00:36:36.375>interface <00:36:36.575>on <00:36:36.774>that <00:36:36.975>one.

917
00:36:37.435 --> 00:36:39.415
<00:36:37.435>So <00:36:37.668>it <00:36:37.901>feels <00:36:38.134>like <00:36:38.368>with <00:36:38.601>the <00:36:38.835>framework,

918
00:36:39.655 --> 00:36:42.015
<00:36:39.655>a <00:36:39.810>dependency <00:36:39.966>like <00:36:40.121>Sha <00:36:40.277>CDN <00:36:40.432>and <00:36:40.588>these <00:36:40.743>kind <00:36:40.899>of <00:36:41.055>things,

919
00:36:42.115 --> 00:36:44.815
<00:36:42.115>or <00:36:42.270>like <00:36:42.426>when <00:36:42.581>we, <00:36:42.737>when <00:36:42.892>you, <00:36:43.048>when <00:36:43.203>Bootstrap <00:36:43.359>came <00:36:43.515>around

920
00:36:44.815 --> 00:36:47.975
<00:36:44.815>and <00:36:44.955>everything <00:36:45.095>looked <00:36:45.235>the <00:36:45.375>same, <00:36:45.515>it, <00:36:45.655>it, <00:36:45.795>it <00:36:45.935>feels <00:36:46.075>like <00:36:46.215>we're,

921
00:36:47.975 --> 00:36:50.015
<00:36:47.975>we're, <00:36:48.208>we've <00:36:48.441>given <00:36:48.674>up <00:36:48.908>on <00:36:49.141>like <00:36:49.375>trying

922
00:36:50.015 --> 00:36:53.095
<00:36:50.015>to <00:36:50.214>give <00:36:50.415>end <00:36:50.615>users <00:36:50.815>the <00:36:51.015>best <00:36:51.214>solution <00:36:51.415>possible

923
00:36:53.275 --> 00:36:55.055
<00:36:53.275>for <00:36:53.625>the <00:36:53.975>device <00:36:54.325>they're <00:36:54.675>on

924
00:36:55.275 --> 00:36:56.895
<00:36:55.275>and <00:36:55.475>just <00:36:55.675>give <00:36:55.875>one <00:36:56.075>for <00:36:56.275>each <00:36:56.475>of <00:36:56.675>them.

925
00:36:56.995 --> 00:36:59.095
<00:36:56.995>And <00:36:57.170>I <00:36:57.345>think <00:36:57.520>that <00:36:57.694>ties <00:36:57.870>back <00:36:58.045>into <00:36:58.220>bringing <00:36:58.395>the

926
00:36:59.095 --> 00:37:00.135
<00:36:59.095>web <00:36:59.328>to <00:36:59.563>the <00:36:59.797>app <00:37:00.031>space.

927
00:37:01.405 --> 00:37:03.145
<00:37:01.405>Is <00:37:01.638>this <00:37:01.871>something <00:37:02.105>that <00:37:02.338>you <00:37:02.571>miss <00:37:02.805>Brian?

928
00:37:03.145 --> 00:37:05.505
<00:37:03.145>Because <00:37:03.300>I <00:37:03.456>remember <00:37:03.611>we <00:37:03.767>spent <00:37:03.922>days <00:37:04.078>like <00:37:04.233>making <00:37:04.389>a <00:37:04.545>rounded

929
00:37:05.505 --> 00:37:07.105
<00:37:05.505>corner <00:37:05.785>work <00:37:06.065>across <00:37:06.345>all <00:37:06.625>browsers, <00:37:06.905>right?

930
00:37:07.895 --> 00:37:09.545
<00:37:07.895>Yeah. <00:37:08.128>I, <00:37:08.361>I <00:37:08.595>don't <00:37:08.828>miss <00:37:09.061>those <00:37:09.295>days.

931
00:37:09.925 --> 00:37:13.505
<00:37:09.925>Um, <00:37:10.100>I, <00:37:10.275>that, <00:37:10.450>that <00:37:10.625>those <00:37:10.800>first <00:37:10.975>couple <00:37:11.150>of <00:37:11.325>releases

932
00:37:13.505 --> 00:37:16.505
<00:37:13.505>of <00:37:13.705>the <00:37:13.905>YUI <00:37:14.105>library <00:37:14.305>where <00:37:14.505>every, <00:37:14.705>where <00:37:14.905>where

933
00:37:17.285 --> 00:37:19.065
<00:37:17.285>the <00:37:17.634>designers <00:37:17.984>at <00:37:18.335>Yahoo <00:37:18.685>decided

934
00:37:19.065 --> 00:37:22.025
<00:37:19.065>that <00:37:19.220>every <00:37:19.376>tab <00:37:19.531>in <00:37:19.687>every <00:37:19.842>page <00:37:19.998>needed <00:37:20.153>a <00:37:20.309>tab <00:37:20.465>interface

935
00:37:22.025 --> 00:37:24.945
<00:37:22.025>with <00:37:22.141>a <00:37:22.258>gradient <00:37:22.375>and <00:37:22.491>a <00:37:22.608>text <00:37:22.725>flow <00:37:22.841>and <00:37:22.958>a <00:37:23.075>text <00:37:23.191>shadow <00:37:23.308>and <00:37:23.425>a,

936
00:37:25.765 --> 00:37:27.505
<00:37:25.765>and <00:37:26.115>an <00:37:26.464>Ajax <00:37:26.815>search <00:37:27.165>response.

937
00:37:27.765 --> 00:37:31.065
<00:37:27.765>And, <00:37:27.940>and, <00:37:28.115>and <00:37:28.290>it <00:37:28.464>was, <00:37:28.640>yeah, <00:37:28.815>the <00:37:28.990>rounded <00:37:29.165>corners.

938
00:37:31.125 --> 00:37:33.465
<00:37:31.125>And <00:37:31.325>I, <00:37:31.525>I <00:37:31.725>don't <00:37:31.925>miss <00:37:32.125>any <00:37:32.325>of <00:37:32.525>that.

939
00:37:33.665 --> 00:37:36.225
<00:37:33.665>I <00:37:33.792>mean, <00:37:33.919>to <00:37:34.046>this <00:37:34.174>day, <00:37:34.301>I <00:37:34.428>still <00:37:34.555>think, <00:37:34.683>I <00:37:34.810>think <00:37:34.937>Ted <00:37:35.065>Drake

940
00:37:36.245 --> 00:37:37.865
<00:37:36.245>and <00:37:36.525>I <00:37:36.805>had <00:37:37.085>a <00:37:37.365>brief, <00:37:37.645>um,

941
00:37:38.495 --> 00:37:41.785
<00:37:38.495>like <00:37:38.622>we <00:37:38.749>had <00:37:38.876>a <00:37:39.004>brief <00:37:39.131>three <00:37:39.258>piece <00:37:39.385>punk <00:37:39.513>band <00:37:39.640>inside <00:37:39.767>in, <00:37:39.895>uh,

942
00:37:41.845 --> 00:37:43.505
<00:37:41.845>San <00:37:42.044>Jose <00:37:42.245>that <00:37:42.444>we <00:37:42.645>call <00:37:42.845>box <00:37:43.044>model <00:37:43.245>hack.

943
00:37:43.925 --> 00:37:46.185
<00:37:43.925>And <00:37:44.080>at <00:37:44.236>this <00:37:44.391>point, <00:37:44.547>like <00:37:44.702>the <00:37:44.858>most <00:37:45.013>of <00:37:45.169>the <00:37:45.325>engineers

944
00:37:46.185 --> 00:37:48.305
<00:37:46.185>and <00:37:46.325>developers <00:37:46.465>at <00:37:46.605>this <00:37:46.745>point <00:37:46.884>that <00:37:47.025>I <00:37:47.165>bring <00:37:47.305>that <00:37:47.445>up <00:37:47.585>to,

945
00:37:48.305 --> 00:37:51.265
<00:37:48.305>they <00:37:48.480>don't <00:37:48.654>even <00:37:48.830>remember <00:37:49.004>the <00:37:49.180>box <00:37:49.355>model <00:37:49.529>hack, <00:37:49.705>right?

946
00:37:51.485 --> 00:37:53.865
<00:37:51.485>And <00:37:51.640>so <00:37:51.796>it's, <00:37:51.951>it's, <00:37:52.107>at <00:37:52.262>this <00:37:52.418>point, <00:37:52.573>it's <00:37:52.729>just <00:37:52.885>one

947
00:37:53.865 --> 00:37:56.545
<00:37:53.865>of <00:37:54.020>those <00:37:54.176>like <00:37:54.331>grumpy, <00:37:54.487>like <00:37:54.642>man <00:37:54.798>yells <00:37:54.953>at <00:37:55.109>cloud <00:37:55.265>things

948
00:37:56.545 --> 00:37:58.785
<00:37:56.545>where <00:37:56.685>it's <00:37:56.825>like <00:37:56.965>box <00:37:57.105>model <00:37:57.245>hack <00:37:57.385>and <00:37:57.525>people <00:37:57.665>are <00:37:57.805>like, <00:37:57.945>what?

949
00:37:59.445 --> 00:38:01.065
<00:37:59.445>So <00:37:59.585>yeah, <00:37:59.725>I <00:37:59.865>don't, <00:38:00.005>I <00:38:00.145>don't <00:38:00.285>miss <00:38:00.425>those <00:38:00.565>days <00:38:00.705>at <00:38:00.845>all.

950
00:38:01.935 --> 00:38:03.065
<00:38:01.935>What <00:38:02.104>was <00:38:02.274>the, <00:38:02.443>what <00:38:02.613>was <00:38:02.782>the <00:38:02.952>first

951
00:38:03.065 --> 00:38:04.425
<00:38:03.065>album? <00:38:03.309>Was <00:38:03.554>it <00:38:03.799>called <00:38:04.044>Hat <00:38:04.289>Layout?

952
00:38:05.165 --> 00:38:07.585
<00:38:05.165>Uh, <00:38:05.445>yeah. <00:38:05.725>Has <00:38:06.005>layout <00:38:06.285>equals <00:38:06.565>one

953
00:38:09.565 --> 00:38:10.565
<00:38:09.565>Wow. <00:38:10.465>Zoom

954
00:38:10.565 --> 00:38:12.145
<00:38:10.565>one. <00:38:11.265>A <00:38:11.965>lot

955
00:38:12.145 --> 00:38:14.865
<00:38:12.145>of <00:38:12.320>people <00:38:12.495>basically <00:38:12.670>start <00:38:12.845>talking <00:38:13.020>about <00:38:13.195>the <00:38:13.370>agentic <00:38:13.545>web.

956
00:38:14.935 --> 00:38:16.545
<00:38:14.935>Like <00:38:15.168>basically <00:38:15.401>we <00:38:15.634>are <00:38:15.868>gonna <00:38:16.101>have <00:38:16.335>AI

957
00:38:16.545 --> 00:38:17.865
<00:38:16.545>models <00:38:16.743>do <00:38:16.941>all <00:38:17.139>the <00:38:17.337>stuff <00:38:17.535>for <00:38:17.732>us.

958
00:38:17.885 --> 00:38:20.265
<00:38:17.885>And <00:38:18.025>that's <00:38:18.165>a <00:38:18.305>tool <00:38:18.445>that <00:38:18.585>I <00:38:18.725>threw <00:38:18.865>over <00:38:19.005>to <00:38:19.145>you, <00:38:19.285>Dan,

959
00:38:20.265 --> 00:38:23.985
<00:38:20.265>to <00:38:20.392>take <00:38:20.519>a <00:38:20.646>look <00:38:20.774>at, <00:38:20.901>which <00:38:21.028>is <00:38:21.155>an <00:38:21.283>AI <00:38:21.410>browsing <00:38:21.537>framework, <00:38:21.665>uh,

960
00:38:23.985 --> 00:38:25.865
<00:38:23.985>stagehand <00:38:24.265>that <00:38:24.545>people <00:38:24.825>keep <00:38:25.105>talking <00:38:25.385>about.

961
00:38:26.055 --> 00:38:27.545
<00:38:26.055>Have <00:38:26.246>you <00:38:26.438>take, <00:38:26.629>taken <00:38:26.821>a <00:38:27.012>look <00:38:27.204>at <00:38:27.396>that

962
00:38:27.685 --> 00:38:29.105
<00:38:27.685>and, <00:38:27.940>uh, <00:38:28.196>what <00:38:28.451>was <00:38:28.707>it <00:38:28.963>about?

963
00:38:30.015 --> 00:38:31.065
<00:38:30.015>Yeah, <00:38:30.203>so <00:38:30.393>I've <00:38:30.582>checked <00:38:30.771>it <00:38:30.960>out.

964
00:38:31.145 --> 00:38:33.265
<00:38:31.145>I <00:38:31.261>mean, <00:38:31.378>you <00:38:31.495>can <00:38:31.611>see <00:38:31.728>I've, <00:38:31.845>you <00:38:31.961>know, <00:38:32.078>going <00:38:32.195>back <00:38:32.311>to <00:38:32.428>the <00:38:32.545>naming

965
00:38:33.285 --> 00:38:34.945
<00:38:33.285>of <00:38:33.460>things, <00:38:33.634>I <00:38:33.810>love <00:38:33.984>the <00:38:34.160>naming <00:38:34.335>of <00:38:34.509>this, <00:38:34.685>right?

966
00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:37.670
<00:38:35.130>So <00:38:35.270>it's <00:38:35.410>kind <00:38:35.550>of <00:38:35.690>to <00:38:35.830>go <00:38:35.970>in <00:38:36.110>partnership <00:38:36.250>with, <00:38:36.390>uh, <00:38:36.530>playwright.

967
00:38:37.670 --> 00:38:38.770
<00:38:37.670>So <00:38:37.868>they've <00:38:38.066>called <00:38:38.264>it <00:38:38.462>Stage <00:38:38.660>Hands.

968
00:38:38.770 --> 00:38:40.165
<00:38:38.770>So <00:38:38.926>I <00:38:39.083>thought <00:38:39.240>that <00:38:39.397>was <00:38:39.554>a <00:38:39.711>really <00:38:39.868>nice, <00:38:40.025>um,

969
00:38:40.505 --> 00:38:41.645
<00:38:40.505>way <00:38:40.710>of <00:38:40.915>kind <00:38:41.120>of <00:38:41.325>situating <00:38:41.531>it.

970
00:38:41.985 --> 00:38:44.125
<00:38:41.985>Um, <00:38:42.185>it, <00:38:42.385>it, <00:38:42.585>it <00:38:42.785>looks, <00:38:42.985>it <00:38:43.185>looks <00:38:43.385>interesting.

971
00:38:44.245 --> 00:38:46.165
<00:38:44.245>I, <00:38:44.478>I <00:38:44.711>think <00:38:44.944>the, <00:38:45.178>the, <00:38:45.411>the <00:38:45.645>sort

972
00:38:46.165 --> 00:38:48.045
<00:38:46.165>of <00:38:46.365>marketing <00:38:46.565>videos <00:38:46.765>they've <00:38:46.965>made <00:38:47.165>for <00:38:47.365>it, <00:38:47.565>uh,

973
00:38:48.185 --> 00:38:49.765
<00:38:48.185>are <00:38:48.360>pretty <00:38:48.535>impressive <00:38:48.710>'cause <00:38:48.884>they're <00:38:49.060>about <00:38:49.235>a <00:38:49.410>minute <00:38:49.585>long

974
00:38:49.765 --> 00:38:50.805
<00:38:49.765>and <00:38:49.921>they <00:38:50.077>get <00:38:50.232>quite <00:38:50.388>a <00:38:50.545>lot <00:38:50.701>done.

975
00:38:50.825 --> 00:38:53.525
<00:38:50.825>But <00:38:50.932>I'd <00:38:51.040>have <00:38:51.148>to <00:38:51.255>sort <00:38:51.363>of <00:38:51.471>know <00:38:51.578>to <00:38:51.686>use <00:38:51.794>it <00:38:51.901>for <00:38:52.009>myself, <00:38:52.117>you <00:38:52.225>know,

976
00:38:53.525 --> 00:38:55.045
<00:38:53.525>if <00:38:53.696>it <00:38:53.867>can <00:38:54.038>quite, <00:38:54.209>uh, <00:38:54.380>do <00:38:54.551>what <00:38:54.722>it <00:38:54.893>says.

977
00:38:55.065 --> 00:38:56.645
<00:38:55.065>But <00:38:55.531>it, <00:38:55.998>it's <00:38:56.465>interesting

978
00:38:56.645 --> 00:38:58.885
<00:38:56.645>because <00:38:56.785>I <00:38:56.925>think <00:38:57.065>what <00:38:57.205>it's <00:38:57.345>trying <00:38:57.485>to <00:38:57.625>do <00:38:57.765>is <00:38:57.905>show <00:38:58.045>us

979
00:38:58.885 --> 00:39:00.885
<00:38:58.885>that <00:38:59.118>we <00:38:59.351>can <00:38:59.585>do <00:38:59.818>more <00:39:00.051>complex <00:39:00.285>things

980
00:39:01.185 --> 00:39:04.045
<00:39:01.185>and <00:39:01.340>hopefully <00:39:01.496>the <00:39:01.651>way <00:39:01.807>that <00:39:01.962>we <00:39:02.118>actually <00:39:02.273>write <00:39:02.429>the <00:39:02.585>syntax

981
00:39:04.065 --> 00:39:07.925
<00:39:04.065>and <00:39:04.205>do <00:39:04.345>that <00:39:04.485>is, <00:39:04.625>uh, <00:39:04.765>even <00:39:04.905>more <00:39:05.045>towards <00:39:05.185>natural <00:39:05.325>language <00:39:05.465>than,

982
00:39:07.955 --> 00:39:09.165
<00:39:07.955>than <00:39:08.136>you <00:39:08.317>would <00:39:08.499>think <00:39:08.681>it <00:39:08.862>would <00:39:09.044>be.

983
00:39:09.465 --> 00:39:11.245
<00:39:09.465>And <00:39:09.605>I <00:39:09.745>think <00:39:09.885>this <00:39:10.025>is <00:39:10.165>a <00:39:10.305>really <00:39:10.445>good <00:39:10.585>example <00:39:10.725>of <00:39:10.865>it,

984
00:39:11.245 --> 00:39:13.445
<00:39:11.245>because <00:39:11.444>you <00:39:11.645>can <00:39:11.845>do <00:39:12.045>some <00:39:12.245>quite <00:39:12.444>powerful <00:39:12.645>things

985
00:39:13.445 --> 00:39:16.725
<00:39:13.445>where <00:39:13.645>you <00:39:13.845>can <00:39:14.045>effectively <00:39:14.245>automate, <00:39:14.445>um, <00:39:14.645>entire <00:39:14.845>workflows,

986
00:39:16.825 --> 00:39:17.845
<00:39:16.825>you <00:39:17.054>know, <00:39:17.283>throughout <00:39:17.513>the <00:39:17.743>browser.

987
00:39:18.465 --> 00:39:20.965
<00:39:18.465>And <00:39:18.592>they've <00:39:18.719>got <00:39:18.846>some <00:39:18.974>sort <00:39:19.101>of <00:39:19.228>listed <00:39:19.355>at <00:39:19.483>the <00:39:19.610>top <00:39:19.737>where, <00:39:19.865>um,

988
00:39:21.145 --> 00:39:23.365
<00:39:21.145>on <00:39:21.285>the <00:39:21.425>NPM, <00:39:21.565>I <00:39:21.705>think <00:39:21.845>actually <00:39:21.985>yes, <00:39:22.125>where <00:39:22.265>you <00:39:22.405>are, <00:39:22.545>yeah,

989
00:39:23.365 --> 00:39:24.765
<00:39:23.365>just <00:39:23.522>on <00:39:23.680>dark <00:39:23.837>mode, <00:39:23.995>it <00:39:24.152>looks <00:39:24.310>different <00:39:24.467>to <00:39:24.625>me.

990
00:39:24.945 --> 00:39:27.045
<00:39:24.945>So <00:39:25.072>the <00:39:25.199>idea <00:39:25.326>that <00:39:25.454>you've <00:39:25.581>got <00:39:25.708>the, <00:39:25.835>you <00:39:25.963>know, <00:39:26.090>you <00:39:26.217>can <00:39:26.345>go

991
00:39:27.045 --> 00:39:29.245
<00:39:27.045>to <00:39:27.172>a <00:39:27.299>website, <00:39:27.426>fet <00:39:27.554>a <00:39:27.681>load <00:39:27.808>of <00:39:27.935>data, <00:39:28.063>bring <00:39:28.190>it <00:39:28.317>all <00:39:28.445>back,

992
00:39:29.305 --> 00:39:32.605
<00:39:29.305>and <00:39:29.432>then <00:39:29.559>present <00:39:29.686>it, <00:39:29.814>running <00:39:29.941>it <00:39:30.068>through <00:39:30.195>an <00:39:30.323>LLM <00:39:30.450>to <00:39:30.577>sort <00:39:30.705>of,

993
00:39:32.785 --> 00:39:35.245
<00:39:32.785>um, <00:39:32.940>interpret <00:39:33.096>it <00:39:33.251>or <00:39:33.407>pass <00:39:33.562>it <00:39:33.718>in <00:39:33.873>different <00:39:34.029>ways, <00:39:34.185>um,

994
00:39:35.585 --> 00:39:36.885
<00:39:35.585>it <00:39:35.975>feels <00:39:36.365>really <00:39:36.755>powerful.

995
00:39:36.885 --> 00:39:38.365
<00:39:36.885>And <00:39:37.151>the <00:39:37.417>API <00:39:37.684>looks <00:39:37.950>quite <00:39:38.216>simple,

996
00:39:38.385 --> 00:39:41.685
<00:39:38.385>the <00:39:38.525>way <00:39:38.665>it's <00:39:38.805>broken <00:39:38.945>down <00:39:39.085>into <00:39:39.225>just <00:39:39.365>three <00:39:39.505>simple, <00:39:39.645>um, <00:39:39.785>sort

997
00:39:41.685 --> 00:39:44.245
<00:39:41.685>of <00:39:41.812>blocks, <00:39:41.939>if <00:39:42.066>you <00:39:42.194>like, <00:39:42.321>of, <00:39:42.448>uh, <00:39:42.575>anything <00:39:42.703>to <00:39:42.830>do <00:39:42.957>with, <00:39:43.085>um,

998
00:39:44.395 --> 00:39:47.165
<00:39:44.395>actions, <00:39:44.550>anything <00:39:44.706>to <00:39:44.861>do <00:39:45.017>with <00:39:45.172>extractions <00:39:45.328>that <00:39:45.483>you <00:39:45.639>wanna <00:39:45.795>do

999
00:39:47.185 --> 00:39:49.965
<00:39:47.185>and <00:39:47.340>anything <00:39:47.496>to <00:39:47.651>do <00:39:47.807>with <00:39:47.962>observing, <00:39:48.118>um, <00:39:48.273>any <00:39:48.429>of <00:39:48.585>that.

1000
00:39:50.065 --> 00:39:51.285
<00:39:50.065>So <00:39:50.614>it's <00:39:51.163>interesting,

1001
00:39:51.285 --> 00:39:53.445
<00:39:51.285>but <00:39:51.384>I'd <00:39:51.484>have <00:39:51.585>to <00:39:51.685>really <00:39:51.785>kind <00:39:51.884>of <00:39:51.984>give <00:39:52.085>it <00:39:52.185>a <00:39:52.285>go <00:39:52.384>to <00:39:52.484>see <00:39:52.585>if <00:39:52.685>it,

1002
00:39:53.465 --> 00:39:55.525
<00:39:53.465>if <00:39:53.665>the, <00:39:53.865>the <00:39:54.065>demos <00:39:54.265>that <00:39:54.465>it <00:39:54.665>shows <00:39:54.865>you,

1003
00:39:55.595 --> 00:39:56.645
<00:39:55.595>they <00:39:55.910>look <00:39:56.225>really <00:39:56.540>impressive,

1004
00:39:56.665 --> 00:39:57.845
<00:39:56.665>but <00:39:57.019>then <00:39:57.373>how <00:39:57.727>does

1005
00:39:57.845 --> 00:39:59.245
<00:39:57.845>that <00:39:58.055>actually <00:39:58.265>look <00:39:58.475>in <00:39:58.685>reality <00:39:58.895>when <00:39:59.105>you're

1006
00:39:59.245 --> 00:40:00.365
<00:39:59.245>using <00:39:59.497>it? <00:39:59.749>So, <00:40:00.000>yeah, <00:40:00.252>you

1007
00:40:00.365 --> 00:40:03.005
<00:40:00.365>Know, <00:40:00.520>the <00:40:00.676>most <00:40:00.831>American <00:40:00.987>demos <00:40:01.142>ever, <00:40:01.298>isn't <00:40:01.453>it, <00:40:01.609>like, <00:40:01.765>go

1008
00:40:03.005 --> 00:40:04.965
<00:40:03.005>to <00:40:03.180>HACKEN <00:40:03.355>News <00:40:03.530>and <00:40:03.705>get <00:40:03.880>the <00:40:04.055>first <00:40:04.230>10 <00:40:04.405>results

1009
00:40:04.965 --> 00:40:06.725
<00:40:04.965>because <00:40:05.245>that's <00:40:05.525>what <00:40:05.805>tech <00:40:06.085>people <00:40:06.365>are.

1010
00:40:06.725 --> 00:40:08.365
<00:40:06.725>Yeah. <00:40:07.191>Log <00:40:07.658>into <00:40:08.125>Amazon

1011
00:40:08.385 --> 00:40:11.365
<00:40:08.385>and <00:40:08.525>buy <00:40:08.665>something <00:40:08.805>For <00:40:08.945>me, <00:40:09.085>I'm <00:40:09.225>scared <00:40:09.365>shitless <00:40:09.505>by <00:40:09.645>that <00:40:09.785>kind

1012
00:40:11.365 --> 00:40:12.725
<00:40:11.365>of <00:40:11.569>stuff <00:40:11.772>that, <00:40:11.977>that <00:40:12.181>sounds <00:40:12.384>to <00:40:12.589>me.

1013
00:40:12.725 --> 00:40:15.325
<00:40:12.725>Like <00:40:12.880>somebody <00:40:13.036>writing <00:40:13.191>a <00:40:13.347>loop <00:40:13.502>and, <00:40:13.658>and <00:40:13.813>ruining <00:40:13.969>me <00:40:14.125>and

1014
00:40:15.325 --> 00:40:18.605
<00:40:15.325>Then <00:40:15.432>go, <00:40:15.540>well, <00:40:15.648>at <00:40:15.755>the <00:40:15.863>end <00:40:15.971>the <00:40:16.078>day, <00:40:16.186>at <00:40:16.294>the <00:40:16.401>end <00:40:16.509>of <00:40:16.617>the <00:40:16.725>day,

1015
00:40:18.605 --> 00:40:20.125
<00:40:18.605>they're <00:40:18.800>not <00:40:18.995>gonna, <00:40:19.191>like, <00:40:19.386>this <00:40:19.582>will <00:40:19.777>go <00:40:19.973>nowhere

1016
00:40:20.145 --> 00:40:22.405
<00:40:20.145>unless <00:40:20.300>you <00:40:20.456>can <00:40:20.611>actually <00:40:20.767>have <00:40:20.922>things <00:40:21.078>like <00:40:21.233>row <00:40:21.389>level <00:40:21.545>security

1017
00:40:22.585 --> 00:40:23.605
<00:40:22.585>and, <00:40:22.891>and <00:40:23.197>other <00:40:23.503>things.

1018
00:40:23.625 --> 00:40:26.685
<00:40:23.625>So <00:40:23.780>that, <00:40:23.936>like <00:40:24.091>an <00:40:24.247>enterprise <00:40:24.402>could <00:40:24.558>use <00:40:24.713>this <00:40:24.869>to <00:40:25.025>automate,

1019
00:40:26.755 --> 00:40:30.405
<00:40:26.755>like, <00:40:26.930>I'm <00:40:27.105>a <00:40:27.280>business <00:40:27.455>analyst <00:40:27.630>at <00:40:27.805>Random <00:40:27.980>Company <00:40:28.155>X

1020
00:40:30.465 --> 00:40:34.125
<00:40:30.465>and <00:40:30.581>I <00:40:30.698>have <00:40:30.815>these <00:40:30.931>12 <00:40:31.048>Google <00:40:31.165>sheets <00:40:31.281>that <00:40:31.398>I <00:40:31.515>need <00:40:31.631>to, <00:40:31.748>you <00:40:31.865>know,

1021
00:40:34.525 --> 00:40:37.085
<00:40:34.525>consolidate <00:40:34.805>into <00:40:35.085>a <00:40:35.365>set <00:40:35.645>of <00:40:35.925>visualizations

1022
00:40:37.105 --> 00:40:38.405
<00:40:37.105>for <00:40:37.339>a <00:40:37.573>slide <00:40:37.807>deck <00:40:38.041>I'm <00:40:38.275>doing.

1023
00:40:38.505 --> 00:40:40.205
<00:40:38.505>But <00:40:38.680>it <00:40:38.855>has <00:40:39.030>to <00:40:39.205>have <00:40:39.380>security <00:40:39.555>con, <00:40:39.730>it <00:40:39.905>has

1024
00:40:40.205 --> 00:40:41.405
<00:40:40.205>to <00:40:40.475>have <00:40:40.745>security <00:40:41.015>context <00:40:41.285>awareness.

1025
00:40:42.185 --> 00:40:45.365
<00:40:42.185>You, <00:40:42.465>like, <00:40:42.745>there's <00:40:43.025>plenty <00:40:43.305>of <00:40:43.585>things.

1026
00:40:45.365 --> 00:40:46.885
<00:40:45.365>Like <00:40:45.560>you <00:40:45.755>can <00:40:45.951>go <00:40:46.146>to <00:40:46.342>Cypress <00:40:46.537>right <00:40:46.733>now

1027
00:40:46.905 --> 00:40:49.685
<00:40:46.905>and <00:40:47.060>do <00:40:47.216>these <00:40:47.371>exact <00:40:47.527>same <00:40:47.682>things <00:40:47.838>by <00:40:47.993>just, <00:40:48.149>you <00:40:48.305>know,

1028
00:40:50.085 --> 00:40:53.005
<00:40:50.085>building <00:40:50.212>up <00:40:50.339>a, <00:40:50.466>a <00:40:50.594>go <00:40:50.721>here, <00:40:50.848>click <00:40:50.975>this, <00:40:51.103>go <00:40:51.230>here, <00:40:51.357>click <00:40:51.485>that.

1029
00:40:53.105 --> 00:40:57.005
<00:40:53.105>So <00:40:53.245>I <00:40:53.385>mean, <00:40:53.525>until <00:40:53.665>these <00:40:53.805>things, <00:40:53.945>until <00:40:54.085>these <00:40:54.225>kinds <00:40:54.365>of <00:40:54.505>toys

1030
00:40:57.555 --> 00:41:00.365
<00:40:57.555>have <00:40:57.788>some <00:40:58.021>level <00:40:58.254>of, <00:40:58.488>of <00:40:58.721>security <00:40:58.955>integration,

1031
00:41:00.485 --> 00:41:01.765
<00:41:00.485>I <00:41:00.773>they <00:41:01.061>just <00:41:01.349>remain <00:41:01.636>toys.

1032
00:41:03.235 --> 00:41:05.215
<00:41:03.235>It, <00:41:03.435>it <00:41:03.635>seems <00:41:03.835>like <00:41:04.035>to <00:41:04.235>me, <00:41:04.435>user <00:41:04.635>testing

1033
00:41:05.435 --> 00:41:09.655
<00:41:05.435>or <00:41:05.610>automated <00:41:05.785>user <00:41:05.960>automated <00:41:06.134>UX <00:41:06.310>testing <00:41:06.485>done, <00:41:06.660>uh, <00:41:06.835>uh,

1034
00:41:09.655 --> 00:41:11.015
<00:41:09.655>with <00:41:09.899>an <00:41:10.144>extra <00:41:10.389>level <00:41:10.634>of <00:41:10.879>like,

1035
00:41:11.075 --> 00:41:13.375
<00:41:11.075>do <00:41:11.230>it <00:41:11.386>on <00:41:11.541>other <00:41:11.697>people's <00:41:11.852>products <00:41:12.008>rather <00:41:12.163>than <00:41:12.319>your <00:41:12.475>own.

1036
00:41:14.355 --> 00:41:16.735
<00:41:14.355>But <00:41:14.495>I <00:41:14.635>mean, <00:41:14.775>if <00:41:14.915>it <00:41:15.055>makes <00:41:15.195>it <00:41:15.335>easier, <00:41:15.475>I <00:41:15.615>mean, <00:41:15.755>playwright,

1037
00:41:16.895 --> 00:41:19.615
<00:41:16.895>I <00:41:17.035>mean <00:41:17.175>there's <00:41:17.315>also <00:41:17.455>the <00:41:17.595>thing <00:41:17.735>in <00:41:17.875>Google, <00:41:18.015>in <00:41:18.155>Chrome <00:41:18.295>now

1038
00:41:19.615 --> 00:41:21.215
<00:41:19.615>that <00:41:19.895>you <00:41:20.174>can <00:41:20.455>actually <00:41:20.734>edit <00:41:21.015>things

1039
00:41:22.035 --> 00:41:23.055
<00:41:22.035>and <00:41:22.493>uh, <00:41:22.953>uh,

1040
00:41:23.075 --> 00:41:25.015
<00:41:23.075>you <00:41:23.250>can <00:41:23.424>actually <00:41:23.600>record <00:41:23.774>things <00:41:23.950>when <00:41:24.125>you're <00:41:24.299>doing <00:41:24.475>it.

1041
00:41:25.015 --> 00:41:26.935
<00:41:25.015>You <00:41:25.214>play <00:41:25.415>it <00:41:25.615>back <00:41:25.815>with <00:41:26.015>the <00:41:26.214>developer <00:41:26.415>tools

1042
00:41:26.995 --> 00:41:28.335
<00:41:26.995>and <00:41:27.236>that <00:41:27.477>feels <00:41:27.718>the <00:41:27.959>same <00:41:28.201>way.

1043
00:41:28.335 --> 00:41:30.935
<00:41:28.335>Like <00:41:28.475>this, <00:41:28.615>um, <00:41:28.755>there <00:41:28.895>used <00:41:29.035>to <00:41:29.175>be <00:41:29.315>an <00:41:29.455>extension <00:41:29.595>called <00:41:29.735>artwork

1044
00:41:30.935 --> 00:41:32.375
<00:41:30.935>where <00:41:31.120>you <00:41:31.305>can <00:41:31.490>do <00:41:31.675>changes <00:41:31.860>to <00:41:32.045>the <00:41:32.231>dorm

1045
00:41:32.375 --> 00:41:34.325
<00:41:32.375>and <00:41:32.550>then <00:41:32.725>it <00:41:32.900>would <00:41:33.075>actually <00:41:33.250>create <00:41:33.425>a, <00:41:33.600>uh, <00:41:33.775>a,

1046
00:41:34.445 --> 00:41:35.965
<00:41:34.445>a <00:41:34.640>bookmark <00:41:34.835>that <00:41:35.031>for <00:41:35.226>you <00:41:35.422>to <00:41:35.617>do <00:41:35.813>it.

1047
00:41:36.275 --> 00:41:39.405
<00:41:36.275>That <00:41:36.430>seems <00:41:36.586>to <00:41:36.741>be <00:41:36.897>like <00:41:37.052>that <00:41:37.208>on <00:41:37.363>steroids. <00:41:37.519>So <00:41:37.675>interesting.

1048
00:41:39.425 --> 00:41:40.525
<00:41:39.425>But, <00:41:39.590>uh, <00:41:39.755>take <00:41:39.920>a <00:41:40.085>look <00:41:40.250>at <00:41:40.415>it.

1049
00:41:40.785 --> 00:41:42.445
<00:41:40.785>Um, <00:41:41.065>next <00:41:41.345>tool <00:41:41.625>that <00:41:41.904>I <00:41:42.185>have

1050
00:41:42.445 --> 00:41:44.765
<00:41:42.445>for <00:41:42.725>myself <00:41:43.005>is <00:41:43.285>basically <00:41:43.565>explain <00:41:43.845>Shell.

1051
00:41:44.765 --> 00:41:46.845
<00:41:44.765>That <00:41:44.904>is <00:41:45.045>a <00:41:45.185>very, <00:41:45.325>very, <00:41:45.464>we <00:41:45.605>can <00:41:45.745>quickly <00:41:45.884>go <00:41:46.025>through <00:41:46.165>that.

1052
00:41:46.925 --> 00:41:49.845
<00:41:46.925>I <00:41:47.065>really <00:41:47.205>like <00:41:47.345>it <00:41:47.485>because <00:41:47.625>it <00:41:47.765>gives <00:41:47.905>you <00:41:48.045>a <00:41:48.185>shell <00:41:48.325>command

1053
00:41:50.145 --> 00:41:52.765
<00:41:50.145>and <00:41:50.272>it <00:41:50.399>actually <00:41:50.526>explains <00:41:50.654>to <00:41:50.781>you <00:41:50.908>what <00:41:51.035>each <00:41:51.163>of <00:41:51.290>the <00:41:51.417>bits <00:41:51.545>do.

1054
00:41:53.425 --> 00:41:55.365
<00:41:53.425>And <00:41:53.625>I <00:41:53.825>think <00:41:54.025>this <00:41:54.225>is <00:41:54.425>really, <00:41:54.625>really <00:41:54.825>good

1055
00:41:55.365 --> 00:41:59.645
<00:41:55.365>because, <00:41:55.492>uh, <00:41:55.619>I <00:41:55.746>mean <00:41:55.874>the, <00:41:56.001>a <00:41:56.128>lot <00:41:56.255>of <00:41:56.383>people <00:41:56.510>actually <00:41:56.637>see <00:41:56.765>Shell

1056
00:41:59.645 --> 00:42:02.205
<00:41:59.645>as <00:41:59.820>still <00:41:59.995>something <00:42:00.170>like <00:42:00.345>the <00:42:00.520>Matrix <00:42:00.695>and <00:42:00.870>uh, <00:42:01.045>uh,

1057
00:42:02.225 --> 00:42:04.285
<00:42:02.225>and <00:42:02.505>of <00:42:02.785>course <00:42:03.065>there's <00:42:03.345>great <00:42:03.625>chances

1058
00:42:04.285 --> 00:42:05.485
<00:42:04.285>to <00:42:04.464>shoot <00:42:04.645>yourself <00:42:04.825>the <00:42:05.005>foot <00:42:05.185>with <00:42:05.365>it.

1059
00:42:05.865 --> 00:42:08.165
<00:42:05.865>But <00:42:06.040>it's <00:42:06.214>interesting <00:42:06.390>that <00:42:06.564>also <00:42:06.740>when <00:42:06.915>somebody <00:42:07.089>says <00:42:07.265>like,

1060
00:42:08.165 --> 00:42:11.525
<00:42:08.165>just <00:42:08.292>do <00:42:08.419>this <00:42:08.546>to <00:42:08.674>go <00:42:08.801>to <00:42:08.928>this <00:42:09.055>page, <00:42:09.183>paste <00:42:09.310>it <00:42:09.437>in <00:42:09.565>there,

1061
00:42:11.905 --> 00:42:13.285
<00:42:11.905>and <00:42:12.153>then <00:42:12.401>actually <00:42:12.650>click <00:42:12.898>on <00:42:13.147>it

1062
00:42:13.285 --> 00:42:14.645
<00:42:13.285>and <00:42:13.529>say <00:42:13.774>like, <00:42:14.019>okay, <00:42:14.264>explain <00:42:14.509>that

1063
00:42:14.645 --> 00:42:16.965
<00:42:14.645>to <00:42:14.845>me <00:42:15.045>in <00:42:15.245>proper <00:42:15.445>language, <00:42:15.645>what <00:42:15.845>it <00:42:16.045>means.

1064
00:42:17.505 --> 00:42:19.485
<00:42:17.505>And <00:42:17.738>so <00:42:17.971>you're <00:42:18.205>not <00:42:18.438>actually <00:42:18.671>hacking <00:42:18.905>yourself.

1065
00:42:19.625 --> 00:42:21.365
<00:42:19.625>So <00:42:19.825>I <00:42:20.025>think <00:42:20.225>it's <00:42:20.425>an <00:42:20.625>interesting <00:42:20.825>little <00:42:21.025>thing.

1066
00:42:21.865 --> 00:42:24.165
<00:42:21.865>Um, <00:42:22.098>GitHub <00:42:22.331>copilot <00:42:22.564>does <00:42:22.798>a <00:42:23.031>similar <00:42:23.265>thing.

1067
00:42:24.285 --> 00:42:26.605
<00:42:24.285>I <00:42:24.460>think <00:42:24.634>probably <00:42:24.810>Cursor <00:42:24.984>does <00:42:25.160>similar <00:42:25.335>things <00:42:25.509>as <00:42:25.685>well.

1068
00:42:26.665 --> 00:42:29.005
<00:42:26.665>So <00:42:26.820>if <00:42:26.976>it <00:42:27.131>says <00:42:27.287>like, <00:42:27.442>explain <00:42:27.598>to <00:42:27.753>me <00:42:27.909>what's <00:42:28.065>there,

1069
00:42:29.315 --> 00:42:30.405
<00:42:29.315>it's <00:42:29.642>just <00:42:29.969>beautifully <00:42:30.296>done.

1070
00:42:30.505 --> 00:42:31.605
<00:42:30.505>And <00:42:30.752>I <00:42:31.000>think <00:42:31.247>it's <00:42:31.495>something

1071
00:42:31.605 --> 00:42:33.925
<00:42:31.605>that <00:42:31.732>we <00:42:31.859>should <00:42:31.986>all <00:42:32.114>have <00:42:32.241>our <00:42:32.368>tool <00:42:32.495>belt <00:42:32.623>from <00:42:32.750>time <00:42:32.877>to <00:42:33.005>time.

1072
00:42:34.825 --> 00:42:36.605
<00:42:34.825>Uh, <00:42:35.291>CSS <00:42:35.758>variables <00:42:36.225>editor,

1073
00:42:36.825 --> 00:42:38.685
<00:42:36.825>did <00:42:36.980>you <00:42:37.136>take <00:42:37.291>a <00:42:37.447>peek <00:42:37.602>at <00:42:37.758>that <00:42:37.913>one <00:42:38.069>as <00:42:38.225>well?

1074
00:42:39.075 --> 00:42:40.125
<00:42:39.075>Yeah, <00:42:39.547>that <00:42:40.020>came,

1075
00:42:40.125 --> 00:42:41.725
<00:42:40.125>that <00:42:40.325>came <00:42:40.525>along <00:42:40.725>a <00:42:40.925>really <00:42:41.125>strange <00:42:41.325>time <00:42:41.525>actually.

1076
00:42:41.845 --> 00:42:43.805
<00:42:41.845>'cause <00:42:42.020>I <00:42:42.194>was, <00:42:42.370>um, <00:42:42.544>solving <00:42:42.720>an <00:42:42.895>issue <00:42:43.069>where, <00:42:43.245>um,

1077
00:42:43.865 --> 00:42:46.645
<00:42:43.865>it <00:42:44.040>reminded <00:42:44.214>me <00:42:44.390>quite <00:42:44.564>how <00:42:44.740>useful <00:42:44.915>CSS <00:42:45.089>variables <00:42:45.265>are,

1078
00:42:46.705 --> 00:42:48.645
<00:42:46.705>and <00:42:46.845>I <00:42:46.985>think <00:42:47.125>this <00:42:47.265>is <00:42:47.404>why <00:42:47.545>this <00:42:47.685>project <00:42:47.825>needs <00:42:47.965>to <00:42:48.105>exist.

1079
00:42:48.785 --> 00:42:52.485
<00:42:48.785>So <00:42:48.892>I <00:42:49.000>was <00:42:49.108>trying <00:42:49.215>to, <00:42:49.323>uh, <00:42:49.431>solve <00:42:49.538>an <00:42:49.646>issue <00:42:49.754>where <00:42:49.861>I <00:42:49.969>needed <00:42:50.077>a <00:42:50.185>load

1080
00:42:52.485 --> 00:42:55.165
<00:42:52.485>of <00:42:52.640>color <00:42:52.796>values <00:42:52.951>to <00:42:53.107>be <00:42:53.262>generated <00:42:53.418>on <00:42:53.573>page <00:42:53.729>load, <00:42:53.885>uh,

1081
00:42:55.395 --> 00:42:56.485
<00:42:55.395>from <00:42:55.885>one <00:42:56.376>color.

1082
00:42:56.505 --> 00:42:58.525
<00:42:56.505>So <00:42:56.680>I <00:42:56.855>basically <00:42:57.030>needed <00:42:57.205>a <00:42:57.380>sort <00:42:57.555>of <00:42:57.730>root <00:42:57.905>color,

1083
00:42:58.525 --> 00:43:01.045
<00:42:58.525>and <00:42:58.680>then <00:42:58.836>I <00:42:58.991>needed <00:42:59.147>to <00:42:59.302>use <00:42:59.458>HSL <00:42:59.613>to <00:42:59.769>create <00:42:59.925>loads

1084
00:43:01.045 --> 00:43:02.925
<00:43:01.045>of <00:43:01.220>different <00:43:01.395>variations <00:43:01.570>of <00:43:01.745>that <00:43:01.920>all <00:43:02.095>on <00:43:02.270>page <00:43:02.445>load,

1085
00:43:03.025 --> 00:43:04.445
<00:43:03.025>and <00:43:03.238>then <00:43:03.451>sort <00:43:03.664>of <00:43:03.877>store <00:43:04.090>them <00:43:04.303>so

1086
00:43:04.445 --> 00:43:05.685
<00:43:04.445>that <00:43:04.631>I <00:43:04.817>could <00:43:05.003>use <00:43:05.189>them <00:43:05.375>throughout <00:43:05.561>loads

1087
00:43:05.685 --> 00:43:06.765
<00:43:05.685>of <00:43:06.009>different, <00:43:06.333>um, <00:43:06.656>pages.

1088
00:43:06.945 --> 00:43:09.005
<00:43:06.945>And, <00:43:07.085>you <00:43:07.225>know, <00:43:07.365>I <00:43:07.505>started <00:43:07.645>doing <00:43:07.785>it <00:43:07.925>with <00:43:08.065>sort <00:43:08.205>of <00:43:08.345>databases

1089
00:43:09.005 --> 00:43:10.565
<00:43:09.005>and <00:43:09.238>then <00:43:09.471>Tailwind <00:43:09.705>ran <00:43:09.938>into <00:43:10.171>some <00:43:10.405>issues

1090
00:43:10.805 --> 00:43:13.085
<00:43:10.805>'cause <00:43:11.004>it <00:43:11.205>needed <00:43:11.404>the <00:43:11.605>complete, <00:43:11.805>um, <00:43:12.004>hex <00:43:12.205>code

1091
00:43:13.085 --> 00:43:15.645
<00:43:13.085>or <00:43:13.212>the <00:43:13.339>HSL <00:43:13.466>passed <00:43:13.594>in, <00:43:13.721>it <00:43:13.848>can't <00:43:13.975>do <00:43:14.103>things <00:43:14.230>on <00:43:14.357>the <00:43:14.485>fly.

1092
00:43:15.745 --> 00:43:17.805
<00:43:15.745>And <00:43:16.025>then <00:43:16.305>I <00:43:16.585>thought <00:43:16.865>CSS <00:43:17.145>variables

1093
00:43:17.805 --> 00:43:18.925
<00:43:17.805>is <00:43:17.931>gonna <00:43:18.057>be <00:43:18.183>the <00:43:18.309>easiest <00:43:18.435>way <00:43:18.561>of <00:43:18.687>doing <00:43:18.813>it.

1094
00:43:18.925 --> 00:43:20.285
<00:43:18.925>So <00:43:19.169>then <00:43:19.414>finding <00:43:19.659>this <00:43:19.904>project, <00:43:20.149>I,

1095
00:43:20.345 --> 00:43:23.165
<00:43:20.345>I'm <00:43:20.500>gonna <00:43:20.656>use <00:43:20.811>this <00:43:20.967>right <00:43:21.122>away, <00:43:21.278>um, <00:43:21.433>really, <00:43:21.589>really <00:43:21.745>good.

1096
00:43:23.165 --> 00:43:26.445
<00:43:23.165>It's <00:43:23.320>just <00:43:23.476>kind <00:43:23.631>of <00:43:23.787>added <00:43:23.942>this <00:43:24.098>UI <00:43:24.253>editor <00:43:24.409>basically <00:43:24.565>so

1097
00:43:26.445 --> 00:43:28.205
<00:43:26.445>that <00:43:26.645>you <00:43:26.845>can <00:43:27.045>see <00:43:27.245>what <00:43:27.445>the <00:43:27.645>Cs <00:43:27.845>s

1098
00:43:28.405 --> 00:43:29.565
<00:43:28.405>variables <00:43:28.613>are <00:43:28.822>on <00:43:29.031>a <00:43:29.240>given <00:43:29.449>site.

1099
00:43:29.625 --> 00:43:30.845
<00:43:29.625>You <00:43:29.808>can <00:43:29.991>go <00:43:30.174>in <00:43:30.357>and <00:43:30.540>edit <00:43:30.723>them,

1100
00:43:30.945 --> 00:43:33.485
<00:43:30.945>and <00:43:31.085>then <00:43:31.225>you <00:43:31.365>can <00:43:31.505>take <00:43:31.645>snippets <00:43:31.785>of <00:43:31.925>code <00:43:32.065>away <00:43:32.205>from <00:43:32.345>that

1101
00:43:33.505 --> 00:43:35.725
<00:43:33.505>so <00:43:33.621>you <00:43:33.738>can, <00:43:33.855>you <00:43:33.971>know, <00:43:34.088>plug <00:43:34.205>it <00:43:34.321>back <00:43:34.438>into <00:43:34.555>your <00:43:34.671>project <00:43:34.788>if <00:43:34.905>you

1102
00:43:35.725 --> 00:43:40.045
<00:43:35.725>want <00:43:35.865>to, <00:43:36.005>and <00:43:36.145>also <00:43:36.285>generate, <00:43:36.424>um, <00:43:36.565>new <00:43:36.705>palettes <00:43:36.845>using <00:43:36.985>the <00:43:37.125>kind

1103
00:43:40.045 --> 00:43:41.205
<00:43:40.045>of <00:43:40.253>existing <00:43:40.462>variables <00:43:40.671>that <00:43:40.880>are <00:43:41.089>there.

1104
00:43:41.225 --> 00:43:44.445
<00:43:41.225>So <00:43:41.352>I'm, <00:43:41.479>I'm, <00:43:41.606>I <00:43:41.734>love <00:43:41.861>any <00:43:41.988>kind <00:43:42.115>of <00:43:42.243>color <00:43:42.370>tools, <00:43:42.497>you <00:43:42.625>know,

1105
00:43:44.445 --> 00:43:45.485
<00:43:44.445>I've <00:43:44.578>got <00:43:44.712>some <00:43:44.846>on <00:43:44.979>my <00:43:45.113>own <00:43:45.247>out <00:43:45.381>there,

1106
00:43:45.485 --> 00:43:47.925
<00:43:45.485>but <00:43:45.660>I <00:43:45.835>just <00:43:46.010>love <00:43:46.185>anything <00:43:46.360>that <00:43:46.535>allows, <00:43:46.710>uh, <00:43:46.885>developers

1107
00:43:47.985 --> 00:43:51.325
<00:43:47.985>to <00:43:48.112>take <00:43:48.239>some <00:43:48.366>of <00:43:48.494>the <00:43:48.621>burden <00:43:48.748>off <00:43:48.875>of <00:43:49.003>these, <00:43:49.130>um, <00:43:49.257>visual <00:43:49.385>things

1108
00:43:51.325 --> 00:43:53.365
<00:43:51.325>that <00:43:51.480>they <00:43:51.636>may <00:43:51.791>not <00:43:51.947>enjoy <00:43:52.102>or <00:43:52.258>be <00:43:52.413>good <00:43:52.569>at, <00:43:52.725>or,

1109
00:43:53.465 --> 00:43:54.805
<00:43:53.465>or <00:43:53.706>sometimes <00:43:53.947>they <00:43:54.188>just <00:43:54.429>want <00:43:54.671>something

1110
00:43:54.805 --> 00:43:55.885
<00:43:54.805>to <00:43:54.967>look <00:43:55.129>nice <00:43:55.291>and <00:43:55.453>do <00:43:55.615>it <00:43:55.777>quickly.

1111
00:43:56.025 --> 00:43:57.125
<00:43:56.025>So <00:43:56.272>yeah, <00:43:56.520>I <00:43:56.767>love <00:43:57.015>this.

1112
00:43:57.165 --> 00:43:59.205
<00:43:57.165>I <00:43:57.305>think <00:43:57.445>it's <00:43:57.585>a <00:43:57.725>great <00:43:57.865>tool <00:43:58.005>and <00:43:58.145>built <00:43:58.285>by <00:43:58.425>one <00:43:58.565>person.

1113
00:43:59.505 --> 00:44:01.085
<00:43:59.505>So <00:43:59.785>always <00:44:00.065>nice <00:44:00.345>to <00:44:00.625>see <00:44:00.905>this.

1114
00:44:01.125 --> 00:44:03.005
<00:44:01.125>I <00:44:01.280>think <00:44:01.436>it's <00:44:01.591>interesting <00:44:01.747>because <00:44:01.902>that's <00:44:02.058>the <00:44:02.213>kind <00:44:02.369>of <00:44:02.525>thing

1115
00:44:03.005 --> 00:44:04.605
<00:44:03.005>that <00:44:03.238>browser <00:44:03.471>makers <00:44:03.705>take <00:44:03.938>a <00:44:04.171>look <00:44:04.405>at

1116
00:44:04.625 --> 00:44:06.565
<00:44:04.625>and <00:44:04.800>then <00:44:04.975>basically <00:44:05.150>make <00:44:05.325>it <00:44:05.500>part <00:44:05.675>of <00:44:05.850>the <00:44:06.025>core.

1117
00:44:07.145 --> 00:44:08.445
<00:44:07.145>And <00:44:07.379>uh, <00:44:07.613>uh, <00:44:07.847>uh, <00:44:08.081>of <00:44:08.315>course,

1118
00:44:08.565 --> 00:44:10.365
<00:44:08.565>I <00:44:08.765>mean <00:44:08.965>the <00:44:09.165>extension <00:44:09.365>I'm <00:44:09.565>still <00:44:09.765>worried <00:44:09.965>about.

1119
00:44:10.645 --> 00:44:12.925
<00:44:10.645>'cause <00:44:10.785>I, <00:44:10.925>I, <00:44:11.065>I <00:44:11.205>started <00:44:11.345>to <00:44:11.485>hate <00:44:11.625>extensions <00:44:11.765>with <00:44:11.905>a <00:44:12.045>passion

1120
00:44:12.925 --> 00:44:15.525
<00:44:12.925>because <00:44:13.158>there's <00:44:13.391>se <00:44:13.625>there's <00:44:13.858>serious <00:44:14.091>security <00:44:14.325>performance

1121
00:44:15.715 --> 00:44:16.885
<00:44:15.715>problem <00:44:15.978>most <00:44:16.241>of <00:44:16.504>the <00:44:16.768>time,

1122
00:44:17.385 --> 00:44:19.965
<00:44:17.385>but <00:44:17.525>in <00:44:17.665>this <00:44:17.805>case <00:44:17.945>it <00:44:18.085>seems <00:44:18.225>to <00:44:18.365>be <00:44:18.505>like <00:44:18.645>early <00:44:18.785>days.

1123
00:44:20.105 --> 00:44:21.645
<00:44:20.105>But, <00:44:20.278>uh, <00:44:20.451>this <00:44:20.624>is <00:44:20.798>the <00:44:20.971>kind <00:44:21.144>of <00:44:21.317>stuff <00:44:21.491>that,

1124
00:44:21.645 --> 00:44:23.645
<00:44:21.645>that <00:44:21.845>the <00:44:22.045>developer <00:44:22.245>tools <00:44:22.445>could <00:44:22.645>get <00:44:22.845>inspired <00:44:23.045>by.

1125
00:44:24.025 --> 00:44:26.045
<00:44:24.025>But <00:44:24.225>having <00:44:24.425>worked <00:44:24.625>on <00:44:24.825>the <00:44:25.025>Edge <00:44:25.225>developer <00:44:25.425>tools

1126
00:44:26.065 --> 00:44:28.205
<00:44:26.065>for <00:44:26.265>eight <00:44:26.465>years, <00:44:26.665>it's <00:44:26.865>just <00:44:27.065>really, <00:44:27.265>really <00:44:27.465>hard

1127
00:44:28.205 --> 00:44:29.525
<00:44:28.205>to <00:44:28.442>get <00:44:28.680>these <00:44:28.917>things <00:44:29.155>rolled <00:44:29.393>out.

1128
00:44:29.525 --> 00:44:32.165
<00:44:29.525>Like <00:44:29.641>when <00:44:29.758>you <00:44:29.875>point <00:44:29.991>out <00:44:30.108>like, <00:44:30.225>one <00:44:30.341>person <00:44:30.458>did <00:44:30.575>that <00:44:30.691>in <00:44:30.808>a <00:44:30.925>day,

1129
00:44:32.225 --> 00:44:35.325
<00:44:32.225>why <00:44:32.365>doesn't, <00:44:32.505>like <00:44:32.645>50 <00:44:32.785>people <00:44:32.924>in <00:44:33.065>Microsoft <00:44:33.205>can <00:44:33.345>do <00:44:33.485>can <00:44:33.625>do

1130
00:44:35.325 --> 00:44:37.685
<00:44:35.325>that <00:44:35.452>in <00:44:35.579>a <00:44:35.706>day <00:44:35.834>as <00:44:35.961>well, <00:44:36.088>because <00:44:36.215>you <00:44:36.343>just <00:44:36.470>answered <00:44:36.597>your <00:44:36.725>own

1131
00:44:37.845 --> 00:44:39.765
<00:44:37.845>question <00:44:38.020>because <00:44:38.194>50 <00:44:38.370>people <00:44:38.544>stand <00:44:38.720>in <00:44:38.895>each <00:44:39.069>other's <00:44:39.245>way

1132
00:44:39.765 --> 00:44:41.605
<00:44:39.765>and <00:44:39.998>they're <00:44:40.231>actually <00:44:40.464>allocated <00:44:40.698>to <00:44:40.931>other <00:44:41.165>bug

1133
00:44:41.605 --> 00:44:44.125
<00:44:41.605>that <00:44:41.805>need <00:44:42.005>fixing, <00:44:42.205>rather <00:44:42.405>than <00:44:42.605>just <00:44:42.805>like <00:44:43.005>putting

1134
00:44:44.125 --> 00:44:45.205
<00:44:44.125>these <00:44:44.368>clever <00:44:44.611>things <00:44:44.854>in <00:44:45.096>there.

1135
00:44:45.545 --> 00:44:48.085
<00:44:45.545>But <00:44:45.685>I <00:44:45.825>think <00:44:45.965>it's <00:44:46.105>really, <00:44:46.245>it's <00:44:46.385>really, <00:44:46.525>really <00:44:46.665>good <00:44:46.805>to <00:44:46.945>see

1136
00:44:48.085 --> 00:44:49.645
<00:44:48.085>that <00:44:48.435>kind <00:44:48.785>of, <00:44:49.135>uh, <00:44:49.485>uh,

1137
00:44:49.775 --> 00:44:52.485
<00:44:49.775>technology <00:44:49.950>being <00:44:50.125>shown <00:44:50.300>in <00:44:50.475>more <00:44:50.650>of <00:44:50.825>a <00:44:51.000>visual <00:44:51.175>way.

1138
00:44:53.155 --> 00:44:55.085
<00:44:53.155>It's <00:44:53.355>interesting <00:44:53.555>when <00:44:53.755>you <00:44:53.955>just <00:44:54.155>talked <00:44:54.355>about <00:44:54.555>HSL,

1139
00:44:55.245 --> 00:44:57.525
<00:44:55.245>'cause <00:44:55.400>I, <00:44:55.556>Brian <00:44:55.711>might <00:44:55.867>back <00:44:56.022>me <00:44:56.178>up <00:44:56.333>here, <00:44:56.489>like, <00:44:56.645>us

1140
00:44:57.525 --> 00:45:00.205
<00:44:57.525>as <00:44:57.665>old <00:44:57.805>CSS <00:44:57.945>people <00:44:58.085>we're <00:44:58.225>just <00:44:58.365>like, <00:44:58.505>oh, <00:44:58.645>what's <00:44:58.785>that <00:44:58.925>about?

1141
00:45:02.015 --> 00:45:03.165
<00:45:02.015>Seems <00:45:02.273>like <00:45:02.532>we're <00:45:02.791>falling <00:45:03.050>behind.

1142
00:45:04.115 --> 00:45:06.405
<00:45:04.115>Yeah, <00:45:04.270>I <00:45:04.426>mean, <00:45:04.581>I, <00:45:04.737>I <00:45:04.892>at <00:45:05.048>least <00:45:05.203>know <00:45:05.359>the <00:45:05.515>acronym,

1143
00:45:06.625 --> 00:45:09.805
<00:45:06.625>but <00:45:06.752>yeah, <00:45:06.879>way <00:45:07.006>back <00:45:07.134>in <00:45:07.261>the <00:45:07.388>day, <00:45:07.515>you <00:45:07.643>know, <00:45:07.770>I <00:45:07.897>think <00:45:08.025>some

1144
00:45:09.805 --> 00:45:11.205
<00:45:09.805>of <00:45:09.984>the <00:45:10.165>first <00:45:10.345>style <00:45:10.525>sheets <00:45:10.705>we <00:45:10.884>were <00:45:11.065>writing,

1145
00:45:11.665 --> 00:45:13.925
<00:45:11.665>we <00:45:11.865>were <00:45:12.065>literally <00:45:12.265>using <00:45:12.465>system <00:45:12.665>keywords <00:45:12.865>for <00:45:13.065>colors.

1146
00:45:14.065 --> 00:45:15.805
<00:45:14.065>We <00:45:14.240>didn't <00:45:14.415>even <00:45:14.590>get <00:45:14.765>to <00:45:14.940>the <00:45:15.115>hex <00:45:15.290>point <00:45:15.465>yet.

1147
00:45:16.305 --> 00:45:18.845
<00:45:16.305>Oh, <00:45:16.504>wow. <00:45:16.705>Which, <00:45:16.904>which <00:45:17.105>in <00:45:17.305>high <00:45:17.504>contrast <00:45:17.705>mode

1148
00:45:18.845 --> 00:45:20.125
<00:45:18.845>things <00:45:19.229>is <00:45:19.613>still <00:45:19.997>necessary.

1149
00:45:20.125 --> 00:45:22.445
<00:45:20.125>Yeah. <00:45:20.358>So <00:45:20.591>there's <00:45:20.825>still <00:45:21.058>interesting <00:45:21.291>world <00:45:21.525>out

1150
00:45:22.445 --> 00:45:23.525
<00:45:22.445>there <00:45:22.607>where <00:45:22.769>we <00:45:22.931>need <00:45:23.093>to <00:45:23.255>have <00:45:23.417>those.

1151
00:45:24.065 --> 00:45:26.445
<00:45:24.065>Um, <00:45:24.298>VLC <00:45:24.531>I'm <00:45:24.765>just <00:45:24.998>gonna <00:45:25.231>do <00:45:25.465>quickly

1152
00:45:26.525 --> 00:45:28.005
<00:45:26.525>because <00:45:26.715>we're <00:45:26.905>kind <00:45:27.095>of <00:45:27.286>running <00:45:27.476>out <00:45:27.666>of <00:45:27.857>time.

1153
00:45:28.635 --> 00:45:30.565
<00:45:28.635>It's <00:45:28.868>got <00:45:29.101>8 <00:45:29.335>billion, <00:45:29.568>6 <00:45:29.801>billion <00:45:30.035>downloads

1154
00:45:30.665 --> 00:45:33.085
<00:45:30.665>and <00:45:30.840>it <00:45:31.015>now <00:45:31.190>has <00:45:31.365>a <00:45:31.540>new <00:45:31.715>AI <00:45:31.890>generative <00:45:32.065>tool

1155
00:45:33.085 --> 00:45:34.645
<00:45:33.085>that <00:45:33.551>actually <00:45:34.018>generates <00:45:34.485>subtitles

1156
00:45:34.785 --> 00:45:37.405
<00:45:34.785>for <00:45:34.960>you <00:45:35.134>in <00:45:35.310>different <00:45:35.484>languages <00:45:35.660>from <00:45:35.835>the <00:45:36.009>audio <00:45:36.185>file.

1157
00:45:37.945 --> 00:45:39.165
<00:45:37.945>Uh, <00:45:38.219>so <00:45:38.494>you <00:45:38.768>don't <00:45:39.043>need

1158
00:45:39.165 --> 00:45:41.325
<00:45:39.165>to <00:45:39.398>pirate <00:45:39.631>subtitles <00:45:39.865>anymore, <00:45:40.098>like <00:45:40.331>everybody <00:45:40.565>did.

1159
00:45:41.325 --> 00:45:42.685
<00:45:41.325>Like, <00:45:41.732>it <00:45:42.141>opens <00:45:42.549>subtitles.org

1160
00:45:42.685 --> 00:45:44.125
<00:45:42.685>or <00:45:42.901>other <00:45:43.117>pages <00:45:43.333>that <00:45:43.549>you <00:45:43.765>shouldn't <00:45:43.981>click.

1161
00:45:44.905 --> 00:45:47.365
<00:45:44.905>Uh, <00:45:45.105>and <00:45:45.305>I <00:45:45.505>always, <00:45:45.705>I <00:45:45.905>always <00:45:46.105>loved <00:45:46.305>VOC

1162
00:45:47.365 --> 00:45:49.845
<00:45:47.365>because <00:45:47.540>it's <00:45:47.714>like <00:45:47.890>this, <00:45:48.064>this, <00:45:48.240>like, <00:45:48.415>it <00:45:48.589>does <00:45:48.765>everything

1163
00:45:49.985 --> 00:45:51.685
<00:45:49.985>and <00:45:50.265>like <00:45:50.545>it <00:45:50.825>plays <00:45:51.105>everything <00:45:51.385>on,

1164
00:45:51.705 --> 00:45:53.925
<00:45:51.705>on <00:45:51.938>every <00:45:52.171>operating <00:45:52.404>system <00:45:52.638>that <00:45:52.871>I <00:45:53.105>had.

1165
00:45:54.265 --> 00:45:56.045
<00:45:54.265>And <00:45:54.464>when <00:45:54.665>I <00:45:54.865>went <00:45:55.065>from <00:45:55.265>Windows <00:45:55.464>to <00:45:55.665>Mac,

1166
00:45:56.065 --> 00:45:58.285
<00:45:56.065>it <00:45:56.265>was <00:45:56.465>basically <00:45:56.665>my <00:45:56.865>go-to <00:45:57.065>tool <00:45:57.265>as <00:45:57.465>well.

1167
00:45:58.745 --> 00:46:00.525
<00:45:58.745>It <00:45:58.944>felt <00:45:59.145>like <00:45:59.345>Earth <00:45:59.545>Fund <00:45:59.745>view <00:45:59.944>back <00:46:00.145>then,

1168
00:46:00.555 --> 00:46:02.085
<00:46:00.555>that <00:46:00.830>actually <00:46:01.105>was <00:46:01.381>an <00:46:01.656>image <00:46:01.932>editor

1169
00:46:02.115 --> 00:46:03.765
<00:46:02.115>that <00:46:02.464>basically <00:46:02.814>showed <00:46:03.165>you <00:46:03.515>everything.

1170
00:46:04.225 --> 00:46:07.045
<00:46:04.225>But <00:46:04.365>an <00:46:04.505>interesting <00:46:04.645>thing, <00:46:04.785>what <00:46:04.924>does <00:46:05.065>this, <00:46:05.205>there's <00:46:05.345>a, <00:46:05.485>uh, <00:46:05.625>um,

1171
00:46:07.365 --> 00:46:09.205
<00:46:07.365>a <00:46:07.564>researcher <00:46:07.765>who <00:46:07.964>used <00:46:08.165>to <00:46:08.365>be <00:46:08.564>a <00:46:08.765>Microsoft,

1172
00:46:09.365 --> 00:46:12.405
<00:46:09.365>a <00:46:09.564>security <00:46:09.765>researcher, <00:46:09.964>and <00:46:10.165>she's <00:46:10.365>now <00:46:10.564>Laurie <00:46:10.765>Kirk

1173
00:46:12.465 --> 00:46:16.085
<00:46:12.465>and <00:46:12.592>she's <00:46:12.719>now <00:46:12.846>at <00:46:12.974>Google, <00:46:13.101>and <00:46:13.228>she <00:46:13.355>basically <00:46:13.483>points <00:46:13.610>out <00:46:13.737>at <00:46:13.865>her

1174
00:46:16.085 --> 00:46:19.245
<00:46:16.085>thing, <00:46:16.318>thus <00:46:16.551>how <00:46:16.785>attacked, <00:46:17.018>uh, <00:46:17.251>VLC <00:46:17.485>is

1175
00:46:19.245 --> 00:46:23.765
<00:46:19.245>because <00:46:19.361>of <00:46:19.478>its, <00:46:19.595>uh, <00:46:19.711>usage <00:46:19.828>and <00:46:19.944>how <00:46:20.061>insecure <00:46:20.178>it <00:46:20.295>is <00:46:20.411>to <00:46:20.528>a <00:46:20.645>degree

1176
00:46:23.765 --> 00:46:25.205
<00:46:23.765>because <00:46:24.089>it <00:46:24.413>grew <00:46:24.737>outta <00:46:25.060>proportion.

1177
00:46:25.205 --> 00:46:28.005
<00:46:25.205>And <00:46:25.332>it <00:46:25.459>makes <00:46:25.586>you <00:46:25.714>wonder <00:46:25.841>if <00:46:25.968>that <00:46:26.095>AI <00:46:26.223>generation <00:46:26.350>bit <00:46:26.477>is <00:46:26.605>gonna

1178
00:46:28.005 --> 00:46:29.045
<00:46:28.005>be <00:46:28.239>a <00:46:28.473>next <00:46:28.707>attack <00:46:28.941>vector.

1179
00:46:29.045 --> 00:46:31.165
<00:46:29.045>That's <00:46:29.200>why <00:46:29.356>I'm <00:46:29.511>in, <00:46:29.667>uh, <00:46:29.822>I <00:46:29.978>reached <00:46:30.133>out <00:46:30.289>to <00:46:30.445>them

1180
00:46:31.165 --> 00:46:33.045
<00:46:31.165>and <00:46:31.305>I'm <00:46:31.445>gonna <00:46:31.585>have <00:46:31.725>them <00:46:31.865>on <00:46:32.005>the <00:46:32.145>show <00:46:32.285>soon <00:46:32.425>as <00:46:32.565>well.

1181
00:46:33.685 --> 00:46:36.525
<00:46:33.685>'cause <00:46:33.825>I <00:46:33.965>think <00:46:34.105>the, <00:46:34.245>the, <00:46:34.384>it <00:46:34.525>always <00:46:34.665>felt <00:46:34.805>like <00:46:34.945>the <00:46:35.085>anybody

1182
00:46:36.525 --> 00:46:38.405
<00:46:36.525>who <00:46:36.725>has <00:46:36.925>to <00:46:37.125>do <00:46:37.325>anything <00:46:37.525>with <00:46:37.725>powered <00:46:37.925>copies

1183
00:46:38.405 --> 00:46:40.165
<00:46:38.405>of <00:46:38.580>movies <00:46:38.755>will <00:46:38.930>have <00:46:39.105>real <00:46:39.280>see <00:46:39.455>on <00:46:39.630>their <00:46:39.805>machine.

1184
00:46:40.185 --> 00:46:43.445
<00:46:40.185>The <00:46:40.325>others <00:46:40.465>will <00:46:40.605>use <00:46:40.745>the <00:46:40.884>video <00:46:41.025>player <00:46:41.165>of <00:46:41.305>the <00:46:41.445>operating <00:46:41.585>system

1185
00:46:43.445 --> 00:46:45.245
<00:46:43.445>because <00:46:43.795>it <00:46:44.145>played <00:46:44.495>all <00:46:44.845>kind

1186
00:46:45.245 --> 00:46:47.525
<00:46:45.245>of <00:46:45.478>weird <00:46:45.711>formats <00:46:45.944>that <00:46:46.178>was <00:46:46.411>there <00:46:46.645>before.

1187
00:46:47.545 --> 00:46:49.485
<00:46:47.545>But <00:46:47.745>it <00:46:47.945>was <00:46:48.145>interesting <00:46:48.345>to <00:46:48.545>see <00:46:48.745>that, <00:46:48.945>like

1188
00:46:49.515 --> 00:46:51.645
<00:46:49.515>that <00:46:49.690>in <00:46:49.865>the <00:46:50.040>Buck <00:46:50.214>Hunters <00:46:50.390>diary <00:46:50.565>in <00:46:50.740>the <00:46:50.915>book.

1189
00:46:51.645 --> 00:46:54.805
<00:46:51.645>It's <00:46:51.772>like <00:46:51.899>the <00:46:52.026>first <00:46:52.154>demo. <00:46:52.281>It's <00:46:52.408>like <00:46:52.535>VLC <00:46:52.663>had <00:46:52.790>that <00:46:52.917>for <00:46:53.045>years.

1190
00:46:54.905 --> 00:46:56.485
<00:46:54.905>And <00:46:55.185>I <00:46:55.465>didn't <00:46:55.745>know, <00:46:56.025>for <00:46:56.305>example,

1191
00:46:56.485 --> 00:46:59.165
<00:46:56.485>that <00:46:56.612>the <00:46:56.739>year <00:46:56.866>ago <00:46:56.994>there <00:46:57.121>was <00:46:57.248>a, <00:46:57.375>there <00:46:57.503>was <00:46:57.630>a <00:46:57.757>security <00:46:57.885>flaw

1192
00:46:59.325 --> 00:47:04.165
<00:46:59.325>that <00:46:59.480>actually <00:46:59.636>by <00:46:59.791>Mel, <00:46:59.947>uh, <00:47:00.102>by, <00:47:00.258>by <00:47:00.413>badly <00:47:00.569>written <00:47:00.725>subtitles,

1193
00:47:04.225 --> 00:47:06.925
<00:47:04.225>you <00:47:04.380>could <00:47:04.536>actually <00:47:04.691>get, <00:47:04.847>uh, <00:47:05.002>a <00:47:05.158>root <00:47:05.313>access <00:47:05.469>and <00:47:05.625>uh,

1194
00:47:07.065 --> 00:47:08.725
<00:47:07.065>and <00:47:07.345>execute <00:47:07.625>things <00:47:07.905>on <00:47:08.185>a <00:47:08.465>machine.

1195
00:47:09.145 --> 00:47:10.605
<00:47:09.145>And <00:47:09.473>that <00:47:09.802>feels <00:47:10.130>like, <00:47:10.459>whoa,

1196
00:47:10.765 --> 00:47:12.085
<00:47:10.765>I <00:47:10.934>didn't <00:47:11.104>know <00:47:11.274>that <00:47:11.443>could <00:47:11.613>go <00:47:11.783>in <00:47:11.953>there.

1197
00:47:12.385 --> 00:47:13.805
<00:47:12.385>So <00:47:12.598>that's <00:47:12.811>an <00:47:13.024>interesting <00:47:13.237>read <00:47:13.450>about <00:47:13.663>this.

1198
00:47:13.805 --> 00:47:17.125
<00:47:13.805>But <00:47:13.932>in <00:47:14.059>general, <00:47:14.186>I <00:47:14.314>think <00:47:14.441>the <00:47:14.568>idea <00:47:14.695>of, <00:47:14.823>uh, <00:47:14.950>VOC <00:47:15.077>is <00:47:15.205>great

1199
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<00:47:17.125>because <00:47:17.280>it <00:47:17.436>was <00:47:17.591>also <00:47:17.747>at <00:47:17.902>the <00:47:18.058>CES <00:47:18.213>show <00:47:18.369>right <00:47:18.525>now

1200
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<00:47:20.945>and <00:47:21.085>they <00:47:21.225>had <00:47:21.365>a <00:47:21.505>booth <00:47:21.645>there <00:47:21.785>where <00:47:21.925>they <00:47:22.065>showed <00:47:22.205>those <00:47:22.345>subtitles

1201
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<00:47:23.585>and <00:47:23.927>everybody <00:47:24.269>who <00:47:24.611>went

1202
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<00:47:24.725>there <00:47:24.886>like, <00:47:25.049>yeah, <00:47:25.211>what <00:47:25.373>are <00:47:25.535>you <00:47:25.696>selling?

1203
00:47:25.805 --> 00:47:27.405
<00:47:25.805>And <00:47:26.038>they're <00:47:26.271>like, <00:47:26.504>nothing. <00:47:26.738>We're <00:47:26.971>open <00:47:27.205>source.

1204
00:47:27.505 --> 00:47:28.805
<00:47:27.505>You <00:47:27.700>can <00:47:27.895>download <00:47:28.090>the <00:47:28.285>thing <00:47:28.480>for <00:47:28.674>free.

1205
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<00:47:29.185>So <00:47:29.384>it <00:47:29.585>was <00:47:29.785>the <00:47:29.985>only <00:47:30.185>booth <00:47:30.384>at <00:47:30.585>CES

1206
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<00:47:30.965>that <00:47:31.165>was <00:47:31.365>really <00:47:31.565>pushing <00:47:31.765>open <00:47:31.965>source <00:47:32.165>out <00:47:32.365>there.

1207
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<00:47:33.945>Um, <00:47:34.347>it's <00:47:34.749>an <00:47:35.151>interesting

1208
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<00:47:35.285>company <00:47:35.537>'cause <00:47:35.788>they're <00:47:36.040>French <00:47:36.293>as <00:47:36.545>well.

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<00:47:36.705>So <00:47:36.832>they, <00:47:36.959>at <00:47:37.086>one <00:47:37.214>time <00:47:37.341>they <00:47:37.468>were <00:47:37.595>illegal <00:47:37.723>to <00:47:37.850>use <00:47:37.977>in <00:47:38.105>America,

1210
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<00:47:39.285>I <00:47:39.565>think <00:47:39.845>because <00:47:40.125>it, <00:47:40.404>uh, <00:47:40.685>it,

1211
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<00:47:41.025>it <00:47:41.225>cracked <00:47:41.425>DVD <00:47:41.625>regional <00:47:41.825>encoding <00:47:42.025>while <00:47:42.225>whilst <00:47:42.425>playing.

1212
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<00:47:44.595>They, <00:47:44.750>so <00:47:44.906>at <00:47:45.061>one <00:47:45.217>point <00:47:45.372>I <00:47:45.528>think <00:47:45.683>VLC <00:47:45.839>came <00:47:45.995>bundled

1213
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<00:47:47.925>with <00:47:48.052>like <00:47:48.179>FFM <00:47:48.306>PEG <00:47:48.434>and <00:47:48.561>a <00:47:48.688>couple <00:47:48.815>of <00:47:48.943>the <00:47:49.070>other <00:47:49.197>sub <00:47:49.325>libraries

1214
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<00:47:51.225>and <00:47:51.352>those <00:47:51.479>were <00:47:51.606>the <00:47:51.734>ones <00:47:51.861>that <00:47:51.988>could <00:47:52.115>crack <00:47:52.243>the, <00:47:52.370>so <00:47:52.497>they <00:47:52.625>had

1215
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<00:47:53.885>to <00:47:54.128>actually <00:47:54.371>split <00:47:54.614>those <00:47:54.857>out.

1216
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<00:47:54.985>And <00:47:55.112>so <00:47:55.239>then <00:47:55.366>you <00:47:55.494>had <00:47:55.621>to <00:47:55.748>download <00:47:55.875>like <00:47:56.003>the <00:47:56.130>VLC <00:47:56.257>source <00:47:56.385>code

1217
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<00:47:58.905>and <00:47:59.021>then <00:47:59.138>you <00:47:59.255>had <00:47:59.371>to <00:47:59.488>download <00:47:59.605>a <00:47:59.721>whole <00:47:59.838>bunch <00:47:59.955>of <00:48:00.071>add-ons <00:48:00.188>to <00:48:00.305>it

1218
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<00:48:01.565>to <00:48:01.765>be <00:48:01.965>able <00:48:02.165>to <00:48:02.365>actually <00:48:02.565>functionally <00:48:02.765>do <00:48:02.965>anything

1219
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<00:48:03.905>but <00:48:04.255>play <00:48:04.605>like <00:48:04.955>a <00:48:05.305>VS.

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<00:48:05.705>And <00:48:06.167>things <00:48:06.629>like <00:48:07.091>that.

1221
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<00:48:07.465>So <00:48:07.698>yeah, <00:48:07.931>it, <00:48:08.165>but <00:48:08.398>I <00:48:08.631>always <00:48:08.865>thought

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00:48:10.525 --> 00:48:12.725
<00:48:10.525>that <00:48:10.680>an <00:48:10.836>interesting <00:48:10.991>attack <00:48:11.147>vector <00:48:11.302>to <00:48:11.458>get <00:48:11.613>on <00:48:11.769>a <00:48:11.925>lot

1223
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<00:48:12.725>of <00:48:12.920>machines <00:48:13.115>would <00:48:13.311>be <00:48:13.506>to <00:48:13.702>go <00:48:13.897>through <00:48:14.093>one

1224
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<00:48:14.245>of <00:48:14.525>like <00:48:14.805>those <00:48:15.085>FFM <00:48:15.365>PEG <00:48:15.645>libraries

1225
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<00:48:16.165>or <00:48:16.340>one <00:48:16.515>of <00:48:16.690>those <00:48:16.865>other <00:48:17.040>libraries <00:48:17.215>that <00:48:17.390>a <00:48:17.565>bunch

1226
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<00:48:17.805>of <00:48:17.944>video <00:48:18.085>players <00:48:18.225>would <00:48:18.365>use <00:48:18.504>to <00:48:18.645>do, <00:48:18.785>you <00:48:18.924>know, <00:48:19.065>to <00:48:19.205>to,

1227
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<00:48:22.085>because <00:48:22.239>at <00:48:22.393>the <00:48:22.547>end <00:48:22.702>of <00:48:22.856>the <00:48:23.010>day, <00:48:23.165>the,

1228
00:48:23.285 --> 00:48:26.285
<00:48:23.285>like <00:48:23.424>the <00:48:23.565>MP <00:48:23.705>four <00:48:23.845>file <00:48:23.984>format <00:48:24.125>is <00:48:24.265>a <00:48:24.404>literally <00:48:24.545>a <00:48:24.685>tech,

1229
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<00:48:26.355>it's <00:48:26.530>a <00:48:26.705>folder <00:48:26.880>that <00:48:27.055>assets <00:48:27.230>get <00:48:27.405>put <00:48:27.580>inside <00:48:27.755>of,

1230
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<00:48:29.035>it's <00:48:29.315>not <00:48:29.595>the <00:48:29.875>actual <00:48:30.154>video <00:48:30.435>itself.

1231
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<00:48:30.825>And <00:48:31.058>so <00:48:31.291>the, <00:48:31.524>the <00:48:31.758>very <00:48:31.991>nature <00:48:32.225>of

1232
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<00:48:33.525>that <00:48:33.700>file <00:48:33.875>format <00:48:34.050>leads <00:48:34.225>it <00:48:34.400>sort <00:48:34.575>of <00:48:34.750>completely <00:48:34.925>susceptible

1233
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<00:48:37.065>to <00:48:37.345>being <00:48:37.625>to <00:48:37.905>do <00:48:38.185>nefarious <00:48:38.465>things.

1234
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<00:48:39.585>But <00:48:39.818>So <00:48:40.051>is <00:48:40.285>a <00:48:40.518>VI <00:48:40.751>and <00:48:40.985>MKV?

1235
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<00:48:41.165>Yeah, <00:48:41.305>so <00:48:41.445>they're <00:48:41.585>all <00:48:41.725>container <00:48:41.865>formats <00:48:42.005>or <00:48:42.145>ICO <00:48:42.285>for <00:48:42.425>a <00:48:42.565>degree.

1236
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<00:48:44.885>I <00:48:45.040>mean, <00:48:45.196>like, <00:48:45.351>uh, <00:48:45.507>half <00:48:45.662>icons <00:48:45.818>are <00:48:45.973>an <00:48:46.129>attack <00:48:46.285>vector.

1237
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<00:48:48.405>Interesting. <00:48:48.755>I'm <00:48:49.105>learning <00:48:49.455>a <00:48:49.805>lot.

1238
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<00:48:52.585>So <00:48:52.725>let's <00:48:52.865>come <00:48:53.005>to <00:48:53.145>you <00:48:53.285>because <00:48:53.425>you <00:48:53.565>posted <00:48:53.705>on <00:48:53.845>LinkedIn <00:48:53.985>those

1239
00:48:56.005 --> 00:48:57.765
<00:48:56.005>things <00:48:56.355>like <00:48:56.705>random <00:48:57.055>WhatsApp <00:48:57.405>scammer.

1240
00:48:57.765 --> 00:48:59.685
<00:48:57.765>Do <00:48:57.892>you <00:48:58.019>have <00:48:58.146>a <00:48:58.274>website <00:48:58.401>with <00:48:58.528>a <00:48:58.655>form <00:48:58.783>that <00:48:58.910>wants <00:48:59.037>collect <00:48:59.165>data?

1241
00:48:59.685 --> 00:49:02.805
<00:48:59.685>How <00:48:59.825>nice. <00:48:59.965>Let <00:49:00.105>me <00:49:00.245>introduce <00:49:00.384>you <00:49:00.525>to <00:49:00.665>my <00:49:00.805>friend <00:49:00.945>Python. <00:49:01.085>Yep.

1242
00:49:02.945 --> 00:49:05.565
<00:49:02.945>So <00:49:03.120>what <00:49:03.295>was <00:49:03.470>that <00:49:03.645>post? <00:49:03.820>What <00:49:03.995>was <00:49:04.170>that? <00:49:04.345>WhatsApp?

1243
00:49:06.505 --> 00:49:08.565
<00:49:06.505>So <00:49:06.680>I, <00:49:06.855>I <00:49:07.030>was <00:49:07.205>never <00:49:07.380>a <00:49:07.555>user <00:49:07.730>of <00:49:07.905>WhatsApp

1244
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<00:49:08.565>before <00:49:08.720>we <00:49:08.876>moved <00:49:09.031>to <00:49:09.187>Europe, <00:49:09.342>but <00:49:09.498>we <00:49:09.653>moved <00:49:09.809>to <00:49:09.965>Spain

1245
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<00:49:10.985>and <00:49:11.335>everyone <00:49:11.685>here <00:49:12.035>uses <00:49:12.385>WhatsApp.

1246
00:49:12.565 --> 00:49:14.645
<00:49:12.565>Like <00:49:12.798>even <00:49:13.031>businesses <00:49:13.265>use <00:49:13.498>it <00:49:13.731>because, <00:49:13.965>um,

1247
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<00:49:14.645>because <00:49:14.785>of <00:49:14.925>the <00:49:15.065>way <00:49:15.205>that <00:49:15.345>the <00:49:15.485>telephone <00:49:15.625>system <00:49:15.765>works <00:49:15.905>here <00:49:16.045>in

1248
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<00:49:16.885>Spain, <00:49:17.025>you, <00:49:17.165>a <00:49:17.305>lot <00:49:17.445>of <00:49:17.585>businesses <00:49:17.725>will <00:49:17.865>have <00:49:18.005>like <00:49:18.145>a <00:49:18.285>number,

1249
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<00:49:20.805>a <00:49:21.002>phone <00:49:21.201>number <00:49:21.399>that <00:49:21.596>starts <00:49:21.795>with <00:49:21.993>nine

1250
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<00:49:22.225>and <00:49:22.400>they <00:49:22.575>actually <00:49:22.750>have <00:49:22.924>to <00:49:23.100>still <00:49:23.275>pay <00:49:23.450>like <00:49:23.625>a

1251
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<00:49:23.965>phone <00:49:24.159>bill <00:49:24.353>every <00:49:24.548>month <00:49:24.742>for <00:49:24.937>that.

1252
00:49:25.065 --> 00:49:26.805
<00:49:25.065>But <00:49:25.265>you <00:49:25.465>can <00:49:25.665>set <00:49:25.865>up <00:49:26.065>your <00:49:26.265>WhatsApp <00:49:26.465>business.

1253
00:49:26.905 --> 00:49:31.285
<00:49:26.905>And <00:49:27.105>so <00:49:27.305>I <00:49:27.505>downloaded <00:49:27.705>WhatsApp <00:49:27.905>and <00:49:28.105>almost <00:49:28.305>immediately

1254
00:49:31.285 --> 00:49:33.565
<00:49:31.285>after <00:49:31.484>I <00:49:31.685>downloaded <00:49:31.884>WhatsApp, <00:49:32.085>I <00:49:32.285>started <00:49:32.484>getting <00:49:32.685>random,

1255
00:49:34.025 --> 00:49:37.205
<00:49:34.025>random <00:49:34.258>spam <00:49:34.491>and <00:49:34.725>random <00:49:34.958>like <00:49:35.191>scamming <00:49:35.425>attempts.

1256
00:49:38.345 --> 00:49:40.965
<00:49:38.345>And <00:49:38.544>so, <00:49:38.745>you <00:49:38.944>know, <00:49:39.145>when <00:49:39.345>I <00:49:39.544>had <00:49:39.745>downtime

1257
00:49:41.065 --> 00:49:44.165
<00:49:41.065>and <00:49:41.240>some <00:49:41.415>random <00:49:41.590>scammer <00:49:41.765>would, <00:49:41.940>would <00:49:42.115>message <00:49:42.290>me <00:49:42.465>on,

1258
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<00:49:44.305>on <00:49:44.585>WhatsApp, <00:49:44.865>like <00:49:45.145>my <00:49:45.424>first <00:49:45.705>way

1259
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<00:49:46.685>of <00:49:46.801>going <00:49:46.918>about <00:49:47.035>it <00:49:47.151>was <00:49:47.268>I <00:49:47.384>would <00:49:47.501>just <00:49:47.618>interact <00:49:47.735>with <00:49:47.851>them <00:49:47.968>a <00:49:48.085>lot

1260
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<00:49:50.115>figuring <00:49:50.231>why <00:49:50.348>I <00:49:50.464>know <00:49:50.581>that <00:49:50.698>this <00:49:50.814>is, <00:49:50.931>I <00:49:51.048>know <00:49:51.165>this <00:49:51.281>is <00:49:51.398>a <00:49:51.515>scam,

1261
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<00:49:53.335>but <00:49:53.535>the <00:49:53.735>longer <00:49:53.935>I <00:49:54.135>waste <00:49:54.335>this <00:49:54.535>person's <00:49:54.735>time,

1262
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<00:49:57.175>the <00:49:57.350>less <00:49:57.525>time <00:49:57.700>they <00:49:57.875>will <00:49:58.050>have <00:49:58.225>to <00:49:58.400>potentially <00:49:58.575>go

1263
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<00:49:59.915>after <00:50:00.148>someone <00:50:00.381>who <00:50:00.615>might <00:50:00.848>be <00:50:01.081>more <00:50:01.315>susceptible.

1264
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<00:50:03.555>So <00:50:03.710>I <00:50:03.866>can <00:50:04.021>just <00:50:04.177>ask <00:50:04.332>stupid <00:50:04.488>questions, <00:50:04.643>send <00:50:04.799>them <00:50:04.955>memes

1265
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<00:50:06.695>and, <00:50:06.895>you <00:50:07.095>know, <00:50:07.295>go <00:50:07.495>halfway <00:50:07.695>down <00:50:07.895>the <00:50:08.095>trail

1266
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<00:50:09.055>and <00:50:09.365>get <00:50:09.676>them <00:50:09.986>really <00:50:10.297>frustrated

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<00:50:10.455>and <00:50:10.571>just <00:50:10.688>see <00:50:10.805>if <00:50:10.921>I <00:50:11.038>can <00:50:11.154>just <00:50:11.271>waste <00:50:11.388>a <00:50:11.505>bunch <00:50:11.621>of <00:50:11.738>their <00:50:11.855>time.

1268
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<00:50:14.235>Um, <00:50:14.390>of <00:50:14.546>course <00:50:14.701>that <00:50:14.857>that <00:50:15.012>encroaches <00:50:15.168>on <00:50:15.323>your <00:50:15.479>actual <00:50:15.635>life.

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<00:50:17.195>So <00:50:17.428>eventually <00:50:17.661>you, <00:50:17.895>you <00:50:18.128>stop <00:50:18.361>doing <00:50:18.595>that.

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<00:50:19.195>But, <00:50:19.428>um, <00:50:19.661>there's <00:50:19.895>a <00:50:20.128>relatively <00:50:20.361>new-ish <00:50:20.595>scam

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1272
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1273
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1274
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1275
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1276
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1277
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1278
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1279
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1280
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1281
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1282
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1283
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1284
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1285
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1286
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1287
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1290
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1291
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1292
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1293
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1294
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<00:51:26.115>a <00:51:26.366>little <00:51:26.619>bit <00:51:26.871>more <00:51:27.123>interesting?

1295
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1296
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1297
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1298
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1299
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1300
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1301
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1305
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1306
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1307
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1310
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1311
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1312
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1313
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1314
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1315
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1316
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1317
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1318
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1320
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1321
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1322
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1323
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1324
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1325
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1326
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1329
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1330
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1331
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1332
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1333
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1334
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1335
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1338
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1340
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1341
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1342
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1343
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<00:53:49.485>post <00:53:49.765>and <00:53:50.045>posting <00:53:50.325>data <00:53:50.605>to <00:53:50.885>it.

1344
00:53:53.555 --> 00:53:55.255
<00:53:53.555>Mm-hmm. <00:53:53.730>Right. <00:53:53.904>It <00:53:54.080>just <00:53:54.254>so <00:53:54.430>happened <00:53:54.605>to <00:53:54.779>be <00:53:54.955>that

1345
00:53:55.255 --> 00:53:56.335
<00:53:55.255>that <00:53:55.498>data <00:53:55.741>was <00:53:55.984>not <00:53:56.227>real.

1346
00:53:57.515 --> 00:53:59.815
<00:53:57.515>The <00:53:57.642>only <00:53:57.769>thing <00:53:57.896>that <00:53:58.024>I <00:53:58.151>was <00:53:58.278>wondering <00:53:58.405>about <00:53:58.533>the <00:53:58.660>code <00:53:58.787>was <00:53:58.915>the

1347
00:53:59.815 --> 00:54:01.495
<00:53:59.815>batch <00:54:00.015>size <00:54:00.215>thing, <00:54:00.415>but <00:54:00.615>now <00:54:00.815>you <00:54:01.015>explained <00:54:01.215>it,

1348
00:54:01.515 --> 00:54:03.535
<00:54:01.515>so <00:54:01.690>I <00:54:01.865>was <00:54:02.040>wondering <00:54:02.214>if <00:54:02.390>there's <00:54:02.565>a <00:54:02.740>post <00:54:02.915>limit

1349
00:54:03.645 --> 00:54:05.375
<00:54:03.645>that <00:54:03.878>you <00:54:04.111>actually <00:54:04.345>reached <00:54:04.578>with <00:54:04.811>that <00:54:05.045>one,

1350
00:54:05.435 --> 00:54:06.815
<00:54:05.435>but <00:54:05.683>the <00:54:05.931>data <00:54:06.180>wasn't <00:54:06.428>that <00:54:06.677>much.

1351
00:54:06.915 --> 00:54:08.735
<00:54:06.915>It <00:54:07.055>was <00:54:07.195>just <00:54:07.335>like <00:54:07.475>you <00:54:07.615>wanted <00:54:07.755>to <00:54:07.895>have <00:54:08.035>it <00:54:08.175>in <00:54:08.315>batches

1352
00:54:08.735 --> 00:54:10.855
<00:54:08.735>so <00:54:08.890>it <00:54:09.046>doesn't <00:54:09.201>send <00:54:09.357>1 <00:54:09.512>million <00:54:09.668>at <00:54:09.823>a <00:54:09.979>time. <00:54:10.135>Yeah,

1353
00:54:10.895 --> 00:54:13.375
<00:54:10.895>I <00:54:11.035>mean, <00:54:11.175>I, <00:54:11.315>I <00:54:11.455>don't <00:54:11.595>think <00:54:11.735>that <00:54:11.875>I <00:54:12.015>would've <00:54:12.155>needed <00:54:12.295>it

1354
00:54:13.375 --> 00:54:15.495
<00:54:13.375>because <00:54:13.530>most <00:54:13.686>of <00:54:13.841>these <00:54:13.997>people <00:54:14.152>are <00:54:14.308>not <00:54:14.463>that <00:54:14.619>smart, <00:54:14.775>right?

1355
00:54:15.565 --> 00:54:18.335
<00:54:15.565>Like <00:54:15.692>most <00:54:15.819>of <00:54:15.946>these <00:54:16.074>people <00:54:16.201>are <00:54:16.328>not <00:54:16.455>gonna <00:54:16.583>go <00:54:16.710>to <00:54:16.837>the <00:54:16.965>point

1356
00:54:18.355 --> 00:54:21.855
<00:54:18.355>of <00:54:18.530>actually <00:54:18.705>having <00:54:18.880>security <00:54:19.055>in <00:54:19.230>place <00:54:19.405>and <00:54:19.580>doing <00:54:19.755>monitoring

1357
00:54:21.955 --> 00:54:24.255
<00:54:21.955>and <00:54:22.235>alerting <00:54:22.515>based <00:54:22.795>on <00:54:23.075>like <00:54:23.355>traffic

1358
00:54:24.315 --> 00:54:25.455
<00:54:24.315>spikes <00:54:24.571>or <00:54:24.828>anything <00:54:25.084>like <00:54:25.341>that.

1359
00:54:25.615 --> 00:54:27.575
<00:54:25.615>I <00:54:25.754>think <00:54:25.895>that <00:54:26.035>they <00:54:26.174>literally <00:54:26.314>just <00:54:26.455>have <00:54:26.595>it <00:54:26.734>all <00:54:26.875>out <00:54:27.015>there

1360
00:54:27.595 --> 00:54:29.055
<00:54:27.595>and <00:54:27.814>they're <00:54:28.033>like, <00:54:28.252>ah, <00:54:28.471>we're <00:54:28.689>just <00:54:28.908>gonna

1361
00:54:29.055 --> 00:54:30.375
<00:54:29.055>collect <00:54:29.252>as <00:54:29.451>much <00:54:29.649>data <00:54:29.846>as <00:54:30.045>we <00:54:30.243>can.

1362
00:54:31.235 --> 00:54:32.815
<00:54:31.235>So <00:54:31.468>I <00:54:31.701>probably <00:54:31.935>could <00:54:32.168>have <00:54:32.401>simplified <00:54:32.635>this

1363
00:54:32.815 --> 00:54:34.375
<00:54:32.815>and <00:54:33.165>just, <00:54:33.515>just <00:54:33.865>unleashed <00:54:34.215>it,

1364
00:54:34.515 --> 00:54:36.655
<00:54:34.515>but <00:54:34.670>I <00:54:34.826>figured <00:54:34.981>I <00:54:35.137>wanted <00:54:35.292>to <00:54:35.448>be <00:54:35.603>a <00:54:35.759>little <00:54:35.915>bit,

1365
00:54:36.935 --> 00:54:39.295
<00:54:36.935>a <00:54:37.051>little <00:54:37.168>bit <00:54:37.285>sneaky <00:54:37.401>and <00:54:37.518>see <00:54:37.634>if <00:54:37.751>I <00:54:37.868>could <00:54:37.985>just <00:54:38.101>do <00:54:38.218>it <00:54:38.335>in

1366
00:54:39.295 --> 00:54:42.815
<00:54:39.295>batches, <00:54:39.422>um, <00:54:39.549>just <00:54:39.676>in <00:54:39.804>case <00:54:39.931>they <00:54:40.058>had <00:54:40.185>some <00:54:40.313>sort <00:54:40.440>of, <00:54:40.567>you <00:54:40.695>know,

1367
00:54:42.865 --> 00:54:45.535
<00:54:42.865>heuristics <00:54:43.064>that <00:54:43.265>was <00:54:43.464>monitoring <00:54:43.665>traffic <00:54:43.865>spikes <00:54:44.064>or <00:54:44.265>something.

1368
00:54:45.595 --> 00:54:47.615
<00:54:45.595>But <00:54:45.828>eventually, <00:54:46.061>I <00:54:46.294>guess <00:54:46.528>they <00:54:46.761>did <00:54:46.995>realize

1369
00:54:47.615 --> 00:54:48.775
<00:54:47.615>that <00:54:47.875>something <00:54:48.136>was <00:54:48.398>going <00:54:48.659>on

1370
00:54:48.775 --> 00:54:50.615
<00:54:48.775>because <00:54:49.055>eventually <00:54:49.335>they <00:54:49.615>blocked <00:54:49.895>my <00:54:50.175>it

1371
00:54:50.835 --> 00:54:53.555
<00:54:50.835>and <00:54:51.035>it <00:54:51.235>stopped <00:54:51.435>at <00:54:51.635>about <00:54:51.835>12 <00:54:52.035>million <00:54:52.235>records.

1372
00:54:54.375 --> 00:54:56.755
<00:54:54.375>It <00:54:54.502>makes <00:54:54.629>you <00:54:54.756>wonder <00:54:54.884>if <00:54:55.011>like <00:54:55.138>the <00:54:55.265>first <00:54:55.393>half <00:54:55.520>hour <00:54:55.647>there <00:54:55.775>was

1373
00:54:56.755 --> 00:54:58.635
<00:54:56.755>champagne <00:54:56.988>corks <00:54:57.221>in <00:54:57.455>their, <00:54:57.688>in <00:54:57.921>their <00:54:58.155>office

1374
00:54:58.645 --> 00:55:00.395
<00:54:58.645>where <00:54:58.820>they're <00:54:58.995>all <00:54:59.170>like, <00:54:59.345>so, <00:54:59.520>my <00:54:59.695>God, <00:54:59.870>we <00:55:00.045>get

1375
00:55:00.395 --> 00:55:02.755
<00:55:00.395>so <00:55:00.550>much <00:55:00.706>data <00:55:00.861>right <00:55:01.017>now. <00:55:01.172>Somebody <00:55:01.328>really <00:55:01.483>fell <00:55:01.639>for <00:55:01.795>it.

1376
00:55:03.305 --> 00:55:06.315
<00:55:03.305>Like <00:55:03.460>the, <00:55:03.616>the <00:55:03.771>idealist <00:55:03.927>in <00:55:04.082>me <00:55:04.238>also <00:55:04.393>wants <00:55:04.549>to <00:55:04.705>think

1377
00:55:06.315 --> 00:55:08.195
<00:55:06.315>that <00:55:06.515>these <00:55:06.715>people <00:55:06.915>had <00:55:07.115>spun <00:55:07.315>up <00:55:07.515>their <00:55:07.715>own

1378
00:55:08.195 --> 00:55:09.875
<00:55:08.195>infrastructure <00:55:08.475>and <00:55:08.755>were <00:55:09.035>paying <00:55:09.315>for <00:55:09.595>it.

1379
00:55:09.875 --> 00:55:11.515
<00:55:09.875>And <00:55:10.155>so <00:55:10.435>suddenly <00:55:10.715>their <00:55:10.995>storage <00:55:11.275>bill

1380
00:55:11.515 --> 00:55:12.915
<00:55:11.515>and <00:55:11.725>their <00:55:11.935>compute <00:55:12.145>bill's <00:55:12.355>gonna <00:55:12.565>go <00:55:12.775>up.

1381
00:55:12.915 --> 00:55:15.395
<00:55:12.915>But <00:55:13.148>the <00:55:13.381>re <00:55:13.615>you <00:55:13.848>know, <00:55:14.081>the <00:55:14.315>pragmatist

1382
00:55:15.395 --> 00:55:16.715
<00:55:15.395>and <00:55:15.632>the <00:55:15.870>realist <00:55:16.107>made <00:55:16.345>me <00:55:16.583>knows

1383
00:55:16.795 --> 00:55:19.035
<00:55:16.795>that <00:55:16.950>these <00:55:17.106>people <00:55:17.261>were <00:55:17.417>probably <00:55:17.572>using <00:55:17.728>a <00:55:17.883>stolen <00:55:18.039>credit <00:55:18.195>card

1384
00:55:19.695 --> 00:55:21.275
<00:55:19.695>to <00:55:19.975>spin <00:55:20.255>up <00:55:20.535>some <00:55:20.815>infrastructure <00:55:21.095>somewhere.

1385
00:55:21.375 --> 00:55:23.955
<00:55:21.375>So <00:55:21.502>it's <00:55:21.629>probably <00:55:21.756>not <00:55:21.884>like <00:55:22.011>their <00:55:22.138>wallet <00:55:22.265>was <00:55:22.393>gonna <00:55:22.520>get <00:55:22.647>a <00:55:22.775>hit,

1386
00:55:23.955 --> 00:55:26.075
<00:55:23.955>but <00:55:24.235>in <00:55:24.515>my <00:55:24.795>mind <00:55:25.075>that <00:55:25.355>these,

1387
00:55:26.205 --> 00:55:28.675
<00:55:26.205>these <00:55:26.404>nefarious <00:55:26.605>people <00:55:26.805>woke <00:55:27.005>up <00:55:27.205>the <00:55:27.404>next <00:55:27.605>day

1388
00:55:29.015 --> 00:55:30.755
<00:55:29.015>and <00:55:29.170>were <00:55:29.326>like, <00:55:29.481>oh <00:55:29.637>my <00:55:29.792>God, <00:55:29.948>we <00:55:30.103>just, <00:55:30.259>you <00:55:30.415>know,

1389
00:55:30.855 --> 00:55:32.075
<00:55:30.855>our <00:55:31.074>bill <00:55:31.294>is <00:55:31.513>gonna <00:55:31.733>be <00:55:31.953>huge.

1390
00:55:32.685 --> 00:55:36.195
<00:55:32.685>Right? <00:55:32.860>So <00:55:33.035>in <00:55:33.210>my <00:55:33.384>mind, <00:55:33.560>the <00:55:33.735>story <00:55:33.910>plays <00:55:34.085>out

1391
00:55:36.195 --> 00:55:37.675
<00:55:36.195>that <00:55:36.417>they <00:55:36.639>were <00:55:36.861>actually <00:55:37.083>having <00:55:37.305>to <00:55:37.527>pay

1392
00:55:37.675 --> 00:55:39.515
<00:55:37.675>for <00:55:38.025>this <00:55:38.375>infrastructure <00:55:38.725>themselves. <00:55:39.075>So

1393
00:55:40.085 --> 00:55:42.795
<00:55:40.085>Brian, <00:55:40.240>you <00:55:40.396>say <00:55:40.551>the, <00:55:40.707>uh, <00:55:40.862>the <00:55:41.018>pragmatist <00:55:41.173>inside <00:55:41.329>of <00:55:41.485>you,

1394
00:55:43.095 --> 00:55:44.835
<00:55:43.095>my <00:55:43.250>thoughts <00:55:43.406>were, <00:55:43.561>I <00:55:43.717>went <00:55:43.872>straight <00:55:44.028>back <00:55:44.183>to <00:55:44.339>the <00:55:44.495>fact

1395
00:55:44.835 --> 00:55:46.475
<00:55:44.835>that <00:55:44.990>you <00:55:45.146>said <00:55:45.301>you <00:55:45.457>had <00:55:45.612>a <00:55:45.768>punk <00:55:45.923>band <00:55:46.079>years <00:55:46.235>ago,

1396
00:55:46.495 --> 00:55:48.395
<00:55:46.495>and <00:55:46.670>I <00:55:46.845>just <00:55:47.020>thought <00:55:47.194>the <00:55:47.370>punk <00:55:47.545>never <00:55:47.720>goes <00:55:47.895>right.

1397
00:55:48.415 --> 00:55:49.635
<00:55:48.415>You <00:55:48.571>know, <00:55:48.728>once <00:55:48.885>a <00:55:49.042>punk, <00:55:49.199>always <00:55:49.356>a <00:55:49.513>punk.

1398
00:55:50.075 --> 00:55:51.595
<00:55:50.075>'cause <00:55:50.417>this <00:55:50.759>feels, <00:55:51.100>what's <00:55:51.442>the,

1399
00:55:51.595 --> 00:55:52.795
<00:55:51.595>what's <00:55:51.865>the <00:55:52.134>motivation <00:55:52.405>for <00:55:52.675>this?

1400
00:55:52.815 --> 00:55:54.035
<00:55:52.815>You <00:55:53.034>know, <00:55:53.254>is <00:55:53.473>it <00:55:53.693>that <00:55:53.913>you,

1401
00:55:54.095 --> 00:55:55.515
<00:55:54.095>you <00:55:54.308>thought <00:55:54.520>these <00:55:54.734>people <00:55:54.946>are <00:55:55.160>wasting <00:55:55.373>other

1402
00:55:55.515 --> 00:55:56.675
<00:55:55.515>people's <00:55:55.689>time, <00:55:55.863>so <00:55:56.037>I'm <00:55:56.211>gonna <00:55:56.385>do <00:55:56.559>it?

1403
00:55:56.815 --> 00:55:58.395
<00:55:56.815>Or <00:55:57.165>is <00:55:57.515>it <00:55:57.865>another <00:55:58.215>motivator?

1404
00:55:58.455 --> 00:56:00.355
<00:55:58.455>So <00:55:58.654>it, <00:55:58.855>it, <00:55:59.055>so <00:55:59.255>I've <00:55:59.455>worked <00:55:59.654>at <00:55:59.855>companies

1405
00:56:00.355 --> 00:56:05.085
<00:56:00.355>before <00:56:00.530>that <00:56:00.705>have, <00:56:00.880>um, <00:56:01.055>wound <00:56:01.230>up <00:56:01.405>with, <00:56:01.580>you <00:56:01.755>know,

1406
00:56:05.085 --> 00:56:07.645
<00:56:05.085>people <00:56:05.240>reaching <00:56:05.396>out <00:56:05.551>and <00:56:05.707>saying, <00:56:05.862>Hey, <00:56:06.018>we've <00:56:06.173>gotten <00:56:06.329>a <00:56:06.485>set

1407
00:56:07.645 --> 00:56:09.885
<00:56:07.645>of <00:56:07.772>your <00:56:07.899>data <00:56:08.026>and <00:56:08.154>we're <00:56:08.281>gonna <00:56:08.408>sell <00:56:08.535>it <00:56:08.663>on <00:56:08.790>the <00:56:08.917>dark <00:56:09.045>web

1408
00:56:09.885 --> 00:56:12.765
<00:56:09.885>unless <00:56:10.060>you <00:56:10.235>pay <00:56:10.410>us <00:56:10.585>X <00:56:10.760>amount <00:56:10.935>of <00:56:11.110>money, <00:56:11.285>right?

1409
00:56:13.145 --> 00:56:14.485
<00:56:13.145>It <00:56:13.446>happened <00:56:13.748>at <00:56:14.049>Hewlett <00:56:14.351>Packard.

1410
00:56:15.025 --> 00:56:16.485
<00:56:15.025>Um, <00:56:15.287>it's <00:56:15.550>happened <00:56:15.813>at, <00:56:16.076>you <00:56:16.339>know,

1411
00:56:16.485 --> 00:56:18.645
<00:56:16.485>virtually <00:56:16.685>every <00:56:16.885>credit <00:56:17.085>card <00:56:17.285>company <00:56:17.485>that's <00:56:17.685>ever <00:56:17.885>existed.

1412
00:56:19.145 --> 00:56:22.725
<00:56:19.145>And <00:56:19.345>these <00:56:19.545>data <00:56:19.745>sets <00:56:19.945>are <00:56:20.145>actually, <00:56:20.345>you <00:56:20.545>know,

1413
00:56:23.035 --> 00:56:25.605
<00:56:23.035>sold <00:56:23.210>on <00:56:23.384>the <00:56:23.560>dark <00:56:23.734>web <00:56:23.910>for <00:56:24.085>real <00:56:24.259>money, <00:56:24.435>right?

1414
00:56:26.465 --> 00:56:30.735
<00:56:26.465>And, <00:56:26.665>but <00:56:26.865>you <00:56:27.065>know, <00:56:27.265>when <00:56:27.465>working <00:56:27.665>with <00:56:27.865>CIS

1415
00:56:31.385 --> 00:56:32.935
<00:56:31.385>CISOs <00:56:31.733>and, <00:56:32.082>and <00:56:32.431>security <00:56:32.779>officers

1416
00:56:32.935 --> 00:56:35.455
<00:56:32.935>and <00:56:33.090>things <00:56:33.246>like <00:56:33.401>that, <00:56:33.557>who, <00:56:33.712>who <00:56:33.868>delve <00:56:34.023>into <00:56:34.179>these <00:56:34.335>kinds

1417
00:56:35.455 --> 00:56:39.785
<00:56:35.455>of <00:56:35.654>topics, <00:56:35.855>your <00:56:36.055>reputation <00:56:36.255>in <00:56:36.455>these, <00:56:36.654>it's <00:56:36.855>weird.

1418
00:56:39.785 --> 00:56:42.185
<00:56:39.785>Like <00:56:40.065>even <00:56:40.345>criminals <00:56:40.625>have <00:56:40.904>reputations, <00:56:41.185>right?

1419
00:56:43.045 --> 00:56:47.665
<00:56:43.045>And <00:56:43.172>so <00:56:43.299>your <00:56:43.426>ability <00:56:43.554>to <00:56:43.681>get <00:56:43.808>top <00:56:43.935>dollar <00:56:44.063>for <00:56:44.190>these <00:56:44.317>data <00:56:44.445>sets

1420
00:56:47.665 --> 00:56:51.625
<00:56:47.665>that <00:56:47.805>you're <00:56:47.945>trying <00:56:48.085>to <00:56:48.225>sell <00:56:48.365>is <00:56:48.505>almost <00:56:48.645>completely <00:56:48.785>based <00:56:48.925>on <00:56:49.065>the

1421
00:56:51.625 --> 00:56:53.595
<00:56:51.625>quality <00:56:51.905>of <00:56:52.185>that <00:56:52.465>data <00:56:52.745>set, <00:56:53.025>right?

1422
00:56:53.895 --> 00:56:56.035
<00:56:53.895>So <00:56:54.095>at <00:56:54.295>the <00:56:54.495>very <00:56:54.695>least, <00:56:54.895>I <00:56:55.095>now <00:56:55.295>have,

1423
00:56:56.035 --> 00:56:58.355
<00:56:56.035>there's <00:56:56.190>a <00:56:56.346>data <00:56:56.501>set <00:56:56.657>out <00:56:56.812>there <00:56:56.968>that <00:56:57.123>someone's <00:56:57.279>gonna <00:56:57.435>turn

1424
00:56:58.355 --> 00:57:01.035
<00:56:58.355>around <00:56:58.510>and <00:56:58.666>try <00:56:58.821>and <00:56:58.977>sell <00:56:59.132>and <00:56:59.288>maybe <00:56:59.443>someone <00:56:59.599>buys <00:56:59.755>it

1425
00:57:01.535 --> 00:57:03.395
<00:57:01.535>and <00:57:01.734>that <00:57:01.935>person's <00:57:02.134>gonna <00:57:02.335>realize, <00:57:02.535>oh <00:57:02.734>my <00:57:02.935>god,

1426
00:57:03.395 --> 00:57:05.235
<00:57:03.395>this <00:57:03.628>is <00:57:03.861>12 <00:57:04.095>million <00:57:04.328>roads <00:57:04.561>of <00:57:04.795>garbage.

1427
00:57:05.885 --> 00:57:09.235
<00:57:05.885>Right? <00:57:06.118>So <00:57:06.351>maybe <00:57:06.585>that <00:57:06.818>person's <00:57:07.051>reputation <00:57:07.285>inside

1428
00:57:09.235 --> 00:57:12.035
<00:57:09.235>of <00:57:09.435>the <00:57:09.635>like <00:57:09.835>data <00:57:10.035>trading <00:57:10.235>economy <00:57:10.435>gets <00:57:10.635>ruined.

1429
00:57:13.055 --> 00:57:15.835
<00:57:13.055>Um, <00:57:13.230>and, <00:57:13.404>you <00:57:13.580>know, <00:57:13.754>maybe <00:57:13.930>that <00:57:14.105>makes <00:57:14.279>them <00:57:14.455>less

1430
00:57:16.805 --> 00:57:18.155
<00:57:16.805>eager <00:57:17.108>to <00:57:17.412>try <00:57:17.716>it <00:57:18.020>again.

1431
00:57:19.135 --> 00:57:21.635
<00:57:19.135>Um, <00:57:19.262>you <00:57:19.389>know, <00:57:19.516>these <00:57:19.644>are <00:57:19.771>all <00:57:19.898>the <00:57:20.025>optimist <00:57:20.153>parts <00:57:20.280>of <00:57:20.407>my <00:57:20.535>brain,

1432
00:57:21.635 --> 00:57:24.035
<00:57:21.635>right, <00:57:21.810>that <00:57:21.985>are <00:57:22.160>saying, <00:57:22.335>you <00:57:22.510>know, <00:57:22.685>I <00:57:22.860>struck <00:57:23.035>one,

1433
00:57:24.315 --> 00:57:26.235
<00:57:24.315>I <00:57:24.490>struck <00:57:24.665>a <00:57:24.840>chord <00:57:25.015>for <00:57:25.190>like <00:57:25.365>the, <00:57:25.540>you <00:57:25.715>know,

1434
00:57:26.235 --> 00:57:27.315
<00:57:26.235>the <00:57:26.559>grandmas <00:57:26.883>out <00:57:27.207>there

1435
00:57:27.375 --> 00:57:29.515
<00:57:27.375>who <00:57:27.550>won't <00:57:27.725>get <00:57:27.900>a <00:57:28.075>phone <00:57:28.250>call <00:57:28.425>from <00:57:28.600>this <00:57:28.775>particular,

1436
00:57:30.495 --> 00:57:31.715
<00:57:30.495>you <00:57:30.714>know, <00:57:30.934>scammer <00:57:31.153>in <00:57:31.373>the <00:57:31.593>future.

1437
00:57:32.015 --> 00:57:34.235
<00:57:32.015>But, <00:57:32.170>you <00:57:32.326>know, <00:57:32.481>in <00:57:32.637>reality <00:57:32.792>it <00:57:32.948>was <00:57:33.103>a <00:57:33.259>fun <00:57:33.415>little,

1438
00:57:34.415 --> 00:57:37.715
<00:57:34.415>it <00:57:34.615>was <00:57:34.815>a <00:57:35.015>fun <00:57:35.215>little <00:57:35.415>exercise <00:57:35.615>to <00:57:35.815>sort

1439
00:57:37.875 --> 00:57:39.075
<00:57:37.875>of <00:57:38.055>see <00:57:38.235>if <00:57:38.415>I <00:57:38.595>could <00:57:38.775>do <00:57:38.955>it.

1440
00:57:39.815 --> 00:57:42.115
<00:57:39.815>And <00:57:39.970>it <00:57:40.126>just <00:57:40.281>had <00:57:40.437>a, <00:57:40.592>a <00:57:40.748>nice <00:57:40.903>little <00:57:41.059>side <00:57:41.215>effect

1441
00:57:42.115 --> 00:57:43.275
<00:57:42.115>of <00:57:42.462>ruining <00:57:42.811>someone's <00:57:43.159>day.

1442
00:57:45.615 --> 00:57:48.755
<00:57:45.615>It <00:57:45.790>fascinates <00:57:45.964>me <00:57:46.140>just <00:57:46.314>how <00:57:46.490>badly <00:57:46.665>current, <00:57:46.839>uh, <00:57:47.015>uh,

1443
00:57:48.935 --> 00:57:51.395
<00:57:48.935>how <00:57:49.134>badly, <00:57:49.335>uh, <00:57:49.535>uh, <00:57:49.735>uh, <00:57:49.935>supported <00:57:50.134>that <00:57:50.335>is.

1444
00:57:51.425 --> 00:57:53.995
<00:57:51.425>Like, <00:57:51.600>I <00:57:51.775>mean, <00:57:51.950>I <00:57:52.125>would <00:57:52.300>expect <00:57:52.475>like <00:57:52.650>any <00:57:52.825>server

1445
00:57:54.025 --> 00:57:56.795
<00:57:54.025>that <00:57:54.165>you <00:57:54.305>get <00:57:54.445>somewhere <00:57:54.585>right <00:57:54.725>now <00:57:54.865>to <00:57:55.005>actually <00:57:55.145>have <00:57:55.285>a <00:57:55.425>form

1446
00:57:56.795 --> 00:57:58.635
<00:57:56.795>that <00:57:57.028>basically <00:57:57.261>gets <00:57:57.495>hammered <00:57:57.728>like <00:57:57.961>that <00:57:58.195>to,

1447
00:57:58.635 --> 00:58:01.275
<00:57:58.635>to <00:57:58.775>basically <00:57:58.915>alert <00:57:59.055>you <00:57:59.195>or <00:57:59.335>say <00:57:59.475>like <00:57:59.615>there's <00:57:59.755>a <00:57:59.895>spike <00:58:00.035>there.

1448
00:58:01.615 --> 00:58:03.995
<00:58:01.615>You <00:58:01.742>know, <00:58:01.869>if <00:58:01.996>I <00:58:02.124>had <00:58:02.251>written <00:58:02.378>that <00:58:02.505>thing, <00:58:02.633>uh, <00:58:02.760>the <00:58:02.887>first <00:58:03.015>thing

1449
00:58:03.995 --> 00:58:06.715
<00:58:03.995>that <00:58:04.111>I <00:58:04.228>would've <00:58:04.345>done <00:58:04.461>is <00:58:04.578>also <00:58:04.694>do <00:58:04.811>a, <00:58:04.928>do <00:58:05.045>a <00:58:05.161>random <00:58:05.278>timeout <00:58:05.395>in

1450
00:58:06.715 --> 00:58:07.875
<00:58:06.715>between <00:58:06.923>so <00:58:07.132>it <00:58:07.341>doesn't <00:58:07.550>look <00:58:07.759>like

1451
00:58:07.875 --> 00:58:10.995
<00:58:07.875>that <00:58:08.050>same <00:58:08.225>IP <00:58:08.400>hammers <00:58:08.575>it <00:58:08.750>every, <00:58:08.925>uh, <00:58:09.100>every <00:58:09.275>millisecond,

1452
00:58:11.055 --> 00:58:12.075
<00:58:11.055>but <00:58:11.361>every <00:58:11.667>two <00:58:11.973>seconds

1453
00:58:12.175 --> 00:58:15.075
<00:58:12.175>or <00:58:12.275>something <00:58:12.375>like <00:58:12.475>that <00:58:12.575>to <00:58:12.675>give <00:58:12.775>it, <00:58:12.875>to <00:58:12.975>give <00:58:13.075>it <00:58:13.175>a <00:58:13.275>bit <00:58:13.375>of <00:58:13.475>a, <00:58:13.575>a,

1454
00:58:15.135 --> 00:58:17.915
<00:58:15.135>an, <00:58:15.290>an <00:58:15.446>illusion <00:58:15.601>like <00:58:15.757>a <00:58:15.912>human <00:58:16.068>is <00:58:16.223>doing <00:58:16.379>it <00:58:16.535>still.

1455
00:58:18.025 --> 00:58:21.035
<00:58:18.025>Well, <00:58:18.200>I <00:58:18.375>was <00:58:18.550>genuinely <00:58:18.725>surprised <00:58:18.900>that <00:58:19.075>this <00:58:19.250>worked, <00:58:19.425>right?

1456
00:58:21.135 --> 00:58:23.155
<00:58:21.135>And <00:58:21.290>when <00:58:21.446>I <00:58:21.601>posted <00:58:21.757>this <00:58:21.912>to <00:58:22.068>some <00:58:22.223>of <00:58:22.379>my <00:58:22.535>friends,

1457
00:58:23.185 --> 00:58:24.755
<00:58:23.185>they <00:58:23.360>were <00:58:23.535>like, <00:58:23.710>oh, <00:58:23.884>you <00:58:24.060>should <00:58:24.235>have <00:58:24.410>done <00:58:24.585>this

1458
00:58:25.095 --> 00:58:26.755
<00:58:25.095>and <00:58:25.270>you <00:58:25.444>should <00:58:25.620>have <00:58:25.794>spun <00:58:25.970>up <00:58:26.145>some <00:58:26.319>V <00:58:26.495>VPNs

1459
00:58:26.755 --> 00:58:27.915
<00:58:26.755>and <00:58:26.904>you <00:58:27.053>should <00:58:27.202>have <00:58:27.351>spun <00:58:27.500>up <00:58:27.649>some <00:58:27.799>virtual

1460
00:58:27.915 --> 00:58:29.355
<00:58:27.915>machines <00:58:28.131>and <00:58:28.346>run <00:58:28.563>it <00:58:28.779>from <00:58:28.995>different <00:58:29.211>places.

1461
00:58:29.455 --> 00:58:32.915
<00:58:29.455>And <00:58:29.610>I'm <00:58:29.766>like, <00:58:29.921>guys, <00:58:30.077>it <00:58:30.232>was <00:58:30.388>a <00:58:30.543>Saturday <00:58:30.699>afternoon, <00:58:30.855>right?

1462
00:58:33.015 --> 00:58:34.595
<00:58:33.015>And <00:58:33.214>I <00:58:33.415>wanted <00:58:33.615>to <00:58:33.815>spend <00:58:34.015>a <00:58:34.214>few <00:58:34.415>hours

1463
00:58:34.695 --> 00:58:36.315
<00:58:34.695>to <00:58:34.895>see <00:58:35.095>if <00:58:35.295>I <00:58:35.495>could <00:58:35.695>ruin <00:58:35.895>someone's <00:58:36.095>day.

1464
00:58:36.745 --> 00:58:39.155
<00:58:36.745>It's <00:58:36.884>not <00:58:37.025>like <00:58:37.165>I'm <00:58:37.305>turning <00:58:37.444>this <00:58:37.585>into <00:58:37.725>a <00:58:37.865>bus, <00:58:38.005>you <00:58:38.145>know?

1465
00:58:39.155 --> 00:58:43.195
<00:58:39.155>It's, <00:58:39.271>you <00:58:39.388>know, <00:58:39.505>so <00:58:39.621>it <00:58:39.738>was <00:58:39.855>just, <00:58:39.971>it <00:58:40.088>was <00:58:40.205>a <00:58:40.321>fun <00:58:40.438>little <00:58:40.555>exercise

1466
00:58:43.195 --> 00:58:46.155
<00:58:43.195>that, <00:58:43.350>that, <00:58:43.506>you <00:58:43.661>know, <00:58:43.817>at <00:58:43.972>the <00:58:44.128>very <00:58:44.283>least, <00:58:44.439>you <00:58:44.595>know,

1467
00:58:46.155 --> 00:58:47.915
<00:58:46.155>this <00:58:46.330>script <00:58:46.505>can <00:58:46.680>also <00:58:46.855>be <00:58:47.030>used <00:58:47.205>for <00:58:47.380>good, <00:58:47.555>right?

1468
00:58:47.915 --> 00:58:50.075
<00:58:47.915>Like, <00:58:48.042>you <00:58:48.169>can <00:58:48.296>use <00:58:48.424>this <00:58:48.551>to <00:58:48.678>generate <00:58:48.805>a <00:58:48.933>bunch <00:58:49.060>of <00:58:49.187>fake <00:58:49.315>data

1469
00:58:50.075 --> 00:58:51.235
<00:58:50.075>for <00:58:50.336>your <00:58:50.596>own <00:58:50.858>performance <00:58:51.119>tests.

1470
00:58:51.615 --> 00:58:54.835
<00:58:51.615>You <00:58:51.770>can, <00:58:51.926>you <00:58:52.081>know, <00:58:52.237>so <00:58:52.392>it's, <00:58:52.548>it's <00:58:52.703>not <00:58:52.859>like <00:58:53.015>it's,

1471
00:58:54.905 --> 00:58:57.115
<00:58:54.905>it's <00:58:55.105>not <00:58:55.305>like <00:58:55.505>it's <00:58:55.705>a <00:58:55.905>wholly <00:58:56.105>useless <00:58:56.305>exercise,

1472
00:58:57.215 --> 00:59:00.435
<00:58:57.215>but <00:58:57.355>I'm <00:58:57.495>also <00:58:57.635>not <00:58:57.775>gonna <00:58:57.915>like <00:58:58.055>invest <00:58:58.195>the <00:58:58.335>time <00:58:58.475>to <00:58:58.615>try

1473
00:59:00.435 --> 00:59:02.075
<00:59:00.435>and <00:59:00.785>make <00:59:01.134>this <00:59:01.485>like <00:59:01.835>undetectable

1474
00:59:02.175 --> 00:59:05.475
<00:59:02.175>and, <00:59:02.330>you <00:59:02.486>know, <00:59:02.641>the <00:59:02.797>ability <00:59:02.952>to <00:59:03.108>rerun <00:59:03.263>this <00:59:03.419>against <00:59:03.575>people

1475
00:59:05.475 --> 00:59:06.995
<00:59:05.475>because, <00:59:05.748>you <00:59:06.022>know, <00:59:06.295>half <00:59:06.569>the <00:59:06.843>time,

1476
00:59:07.305 --> 00:59:09.595
<00:59:07.305>half <00:59:07.480>the <00:59:07.654>time <00:59:07.830>these <00:59:08.004>scams <00:59:08.180>come <00:59:08.355>with <00:59:08.529>like <00:59:08.705>a,

1477
00:59:09.795 --> 00:59:11.435
<00:59:09.795>a <00:59:10.261>typeform <00:59:10.728>form, <00:59:11.195>right?

1478
00:59:11.595 --> 00:59:13.875
<00:59:11.595>I <00:59:11.750>don't <00:59:11.906>wanna, <00:59:12.061>I <00:59:12.217>have <00:59:12.372>friends <00:59:12.528>that <00:59:12.683>work <00:59:12.839>at <00:59:12.995>Typeform,

1479
00:59:13.995 --> 00:59:15.955
<00:59:13.995>I <00:59:14.170>don't <00:59:14.345>want <00:59:14.520>to <00:59:14.694>bring <00:59:14.870>down <00:59:15.045>their <00:59:15.220>infrastructure, <00:59:15.395>right?

1480
00:59:16.015 --> 00:59:19.585
<00:59:16.015>It <00:59:16.170>just <00:59:16.326>so <00:59:16.481>happened <00:59:16.637>that <00:59:16.792>in <00:59:16.948>this <00:59:17.103>particular <00:59:17.259>case, <00:59:17.415>uh,

1481
00:59:19.585 --> 00:59:21.445
<00:59:19.585>who <00:59:19.865>is <00:59:20.145>against <00:59:20.425>this <00:59:20.705>server <00:59:20.985>indicated

1482
00:59:21.445 --> 00:59:23.245
<00:59:21.445>that <00:59:21.645>these <00:59:21.845>guys <00:59:22.045>were <00:59:22.245>running <00:59:22.445>their <00:59:22.645>own <00:59:22.845>infrastructure.

1483
00:59:23.265 --> 00:59:24.525
<00:59:23.265>And <00:59:23.491>so <00:59:23.718>I <00:59:23.945>thought <00:59:24.172>Oh, <00:59:24.399>interesting.

1484
00:59:26.145 --> 00:59:27.435
<00:59:26.145>Yeah, <00:59:26.338>I <00:59:26.532>mean <00:59:26.725>I <00:59:26.919>talked <00:59:27.112>to <00:59:27.306>Dan

1485
00:59:27.435 --> 00:59:29.515
<00:59:27.435>and <00:59:27.562>I <00:59:27.689>said <00:59:27.816>like, <00:59:27.944>we, <00:59:28.071>you <00:59:28.198>could <00:59:28.325>have <00:59:28.453>had <00:59:28.580>an <00:59:28.707>s <00:59:28.835>check

1486
00:59:29.515 --> 00:59:31.355
<00:59:29.515>and <00:59:29.690>see <00:59:29.865>like <00:59:30.040>if <00:59:30.214>there, <00:59:30.390>if <00:59:30.565>you <00:59:30.740>could <00:59:30.915>rewrite

1487
00:59:31.355 --> 00:59:32.675
<00:59:31.355>that <00:59:31.592>form <00:59:31.830>to <00:59:32.067>post <00:59:32.305>to <00:59:32.543>itself.

1488
00:59:33.025 --> 00:59:34.515
<00:59:33.025>Yeah. <00:59:33.293>So <00:59:33.561>that <00:59:33.829>would <00:59:34.097>be, <00:59:34.366>even

1489
00:59:34.545 --> 00:59:35.995
<00:59:34.545>that <00:59:34.871>would <00:59:35.197>even <00:59:35.523>more <00:59:35.850>interesting

1490
00:59:36.115 --> 00:59:37.235
<00:59:36.115>'cause <00:59:36.259>that <00:59:36.403>could <00:59:36.547>have <00:59:36.691>gone <00:59:36.835>on <00:59:36.979>for <00:59:37.123>days

1491
00:59:37.255 --> 00:59:39.515
<00:59:37.255>and <00:59:37.395>they <00:59:37.535>had <00:59:37.675>to <00:59:37.815>try <00:59:37.955>to <00:59:38.095>trace <00:59:38.235>where <00:59:38.375>it <00:59:38.515>came <00:59:38.655>from.

1492
00:59:39.515 --> 00:59:41.275
<00:59:39.515>It <00:59:39.714>ended <00:59:39.915>up <00:59:40.115>there <00:59:40.315>being <00:59:40.515>their <00:59:40.714>own <00:59:40.915>machine.

1493
00:59:41.895 --> 00:59:43.595
<00:59:41.895>But <00:59:42.128>yeah, <00:59:42.361>it's, <00:59:42.595>uh, <00:59:42.828>but <00:59:43.061>put <00:59:43.295>in

1494
00:59:43.595 --> 00:59:45.795
<00:59:43.595>A, <00:59:43.734>put <00:59:43.875>in <00:59:44.015>a <00:59:44.154>subfunction <00:59:44.294>to <00:59:44.435>create <00:59:44.575>a <00:59:44.714>record <00:59:44.855>that's <00:59:44.995>like,

1495
00:59:45.855 --> 00:59:47.835
<00:59:45.855>you <00:59:46.055>know, <00:59:46.255>first <00:59:46.455>name <00:59:46.655>drop, <00:59:46.855>last <00:59:47.055>name <00:59:47.255>table.

1496
00:59:48.425 --> 00:59:50.155
<00:59:48.425>Yeah. <00:59:48.891>Phone <00:59:49.358>number <00:59:49.825>star.

1497
00:59:51.865 --> 00:59:54.355
<00:59:51.865>Well, <00:59:52.004>one <00:59:52.145>hopes <00:59:52.285>that <00:59:52.424>it <00:59:52.564>wasn't <00:59:52.705>that <00:59:52.845>way, <00:59:52.984>but <00:59:53.125>yeah. <00:59:53.265>Yeah.

1498
00:59:54.355 --> 00:59:57.275
<00:59:54.355>I <00:59:54.462>mean <00:59:54.570>we, <00:59:54.678>we <00:59:54.785>just <00:59:54.893>had <00:59:55.001>the <00:59:55.108>new <00:59:55.216>oas, <00:59:55.324>uh, <00:59:55.431>report <00:59:55.539>out <00:59:55.647>as <00:59:55.755>well

1499
00:59:57.295 --> 00:59:59.475
<00:59:57.295>and <00:59:57.450>excess <00:59:57.606>s <00:59:57.761>is <00:59:57.917>still <00:59:58.072>the <00:59:58.228>main <00:59:58.383>thing <00:59:58.539>out <00:59:58.695>there.

1500
00:59:59.575 --> 01:00:00.715
<00:59:59.575>It <00:59:59.831>seems <01:00:00.087>like. <01:00:00.344>I <01:00:00.601>thought

1501
01:00:00.715 --> 01:00:03.475
<01:00:00.715>that <01:00:00.890>infrastructure <01:00:01.065>would <01:00:01.240>be <01:00:01.415>just <01:00:01.590>very <01:00:01.765>open <01:00:01.940>for <01:00:02.115>that.

1502
01:00:04.055 --> 01:00:06.715
<01:00:04.055>But <01:00:04.182>I <01:00:04.309>mean, <01:00:04.436>I <01:00:04.564>I, <01:00:04.691>I <01:00:04.818>did <01:00:04.945>this <01:00:05.073>tweet <01:00:05.200>like <01:00:05.327>years <01:00:05.455>ago

1503
01:00:06.715 --> 01:00:11.075
<01:00:06.715>where <01:00:06.842>I <01:00:06.969>said <01:00:07.096>like, <01:00:07.224>RM <01:00:07.351>minus <01:00:07.478>FR <01:00:07.605>removes <01:00:07.733>all <01:00:07.860>French <01:00:07.987>files <01:00:08.115>from

1504
01:00:11.075 --> 01:00:13.155
<01:00:11.075>the <01:00:11.230>server <01:00:11.386>and <01:00:11.541>people <01:00:11.697>were <01:00:11.852>all <01:00:12.008>going <01:00:12.163>nuts <01:00:12.319>about <01:00:12.475>it

1505
01:00:13.175 --> 01:00:15.355
<01:00:13.175>and <01:00:13.375>saying <01:00:13.575>like, <01:00:13.775>oh <01:00:13.975>my <01:00:14.175>God, <01:00:14.375>this <01:00:14.575>is,

1506
01:00:15.415 --> 01:00:17.715
<01:00:15.415>you <01:00:15.570>shouldn't <01:00:15.726>tell <01:00:15.881>people <01:00:16.037>that <01:00:16.192>because <01:00:16.348>they <01:00:16.503>try <01:00:16.659>it <01:00:16.815>out.

1507
01:00:17.715 --> 01:00:18.955
<01:00:17.715>And <01:00:17.938>I'm <01:00:18.161>like, <01:00:18.384>well, <01:00:18.607>somebody <01:00:18.831>trying

1508
01:00:18.955 --> 01:00:21.315
<01:00:18.955>that <01:00:19.130>out <01:00:19.305>without <01:00:19.480>thinking <01:00:19.654>about <01:00:19.830>it <01:00:20.005>has <01:00:20.180>it <01:00:20.355>coming.

1509
01:00:21.535 --> 01:00:23.155
<01:00:21.535>I'm <01:00:22.001>sorry. <01:00:22.468>It <01:00:22.935>feels,

1510
01:00:23.435 --> 01:00:24.755
<01:00:23.435>I <01:00:23.672>mean <01:00:23.910>there's, <01:00:24.147>there's, <01:00:24.385>there's <01:00:24.623>plenty

1511
01:00:24.755 --> 01:00:27.675
<01:00:24.755>of <01:00:24.955>highlight <01:00:25.155>film <01:00:25.355>online <01:00:25.555>of <01:00:25.755>like, <01:00:25.955>you <01:00:26.155>know,

1512
01:00:27.695 --> 01:00:30.395
<01:00:27.695>famous <01:00:27.895>popular <01:00:28.095>streamers <01:00:28.295>who <01:00:28.495>are <01:00:28.695>trying <01:00:28.895>to <01:00:29.095>like,

1513
01:00:30.395 --> 01:00:31.915
<01:00:30.395>work <01:00:30.590>their <01:00:30.785>way <01:00:30.981>through <01:00:31.176>the <01:00:31.372>new <01:00:31.567>hot <01:00:31.763>game

1514
01:00:32.255 --> 01:00:34.195
<01:00:32.255>and <01:00:32.410>their <01:00:32.566>chat <01:00:32.721>tells <01:00:32.877>them, <01:00:33.032>oh, <01:00:33.188>you're <01:00:33.343>stuck <01:00:33.499>on <01:00:33.655>that.

1515
01:00:34.195 --> 01:00:37.315
<01:00:34.195>Boss <01:00:34.322>hit <01:00:34.449>all <01:00:34.576>F <01:00:34.704>four <01:00:34.831>to <01:00:34.958>open <01:00:35.085>up <01:00:35.213>the <01:00:35.340>menu <01:00:35.467>to <01:00:35.595>get

1516
01:00:37.315 --> 01:00:39.235
<01:00:37.315>to <01:00:37.470>the <01:00:37.626>secret <01:00:37.781>spells, <01:00:37.937>and <01:00:38.092>the <01:00:38.248>person <01:00:38.403>does <01:00:38.559>it <01:00:38.715>like,

1517
01:00:39.235 --> 01:00:40.875
<01:00:39.235>live <01:00:39.468>on <01:00:39.701>stream <01:00:39.935>and <01:00:40.168>crashes <01:00:40.401>their <01:00:40.635>game.

1518
01:00:41.015 --> 01:00:44.675
<01:00:41.015>And <01:00:41.154>so, <01:00:41.295>I <01:00:41.435>mean, <01:00:41.575>you <01:00:41.714>know, <01:00:41.855>at, <01:00:41.995>at <01:00:42.134>some <01:00:42.275>point <01:00:42.415>humans,

1519
01:00:45.695 --> 01:00:47.035
<01:00:45.695>you're, <01:00:45.996>I <01:00:46.298>think <01:00:46.599>Christian, <01:00:46.901>you,

1520
01:00:47.035 --> 01:00:48.915
<01:00:47.035>you're <01:00:47.268>giving <01:00:47.501>humans <01:00:47.734>a <01:00:47.968>little <01:00:48.201>bit <01:00:48.435>more

1521
01:00:48.915 --> 01:00:50.275
<01:00:48.915>respect <01:00:49.221>maybe <01:00:49.527>than <01:00:49.833>they <01:00:50.139>deserve.

1522
01:00:52.415 --> 01:00:55.435
<01:00:52.415>Oh, <01:00:52.555>wow. <01:00:52.695>Well, <01:00:52.835>with <01:00:52.975>that, <01:00:53.115>I <01:00:53.255>think <01:00:53.395>we're <01:00:53.535>at <01:00:53.675>the <01:00:53.815>end

1523
01:00:55.435 --> 01:00:59.235
<01:00:55.435>of <01:00:55.562>the <01:00:55.689>show, <01:00:55.816>but <01:00:55.944>it <01:00:56.071>was <01:00:56.198>great <01:00:56.325>having <01:00:56.453>you <01:00:56.580>around, <01:00:56.707>uh, <01:00:56.835>uh,

1524
01:00:59.235 --> 01:01:01.875
<01:00:59.235>Brian, <01:00:59.351>and <01:00:59.468>it's, <01:00:59.585>it's <01:00:59.701>gonna <01:00:59.818>be <01:00:59.935>fun <01:01:00.051>to <01:01:00.168>see <01:01:00.285>if <01:01:00.401>we <01:01:00.518>can <01:01:00.635>do

1525
01:01:01.875 --> 01:01:03.115
<01:01:01.875>that <01:01:02.061>in <01:01:02.247>the <01:01:02.433>future <01:01:02.618>again <01:01:02.805>as <01:01:02.991>well.

1526
01:01:03.315 --> 01:01:06.315
<01:01:03.315>I <01:01:03.442>may, <01:01:03.569>may <01:01:03.696>maybe <01:01:03.824>work <01:01:03.951>together <01:01:04.078>on <01:01:04.205>some <01:01:04.333>other <01:01:04.460>bits <01:01:04.587>of <01:01:04.715>bobs

1527
01:01:06.315 --> 01:01:07.995
<01:01:06.315>and <01:01:06.470>it <01:01:06.626>would <01:01:06.781>be <01:01:06.937>more <01:01:07.092>interesting <01:01:07.248>to <01:01:07.403>see <01:01:07.559>what, <01:01:07.715>uh,

1528
01:01:07.995 --> 01:01:09.475
<01:01:07.995>what <01:01:08.217>the <01:01:08.439>infrastructure <01:01:08.661>stuff <01:01:08.883>that <01:01:09.105>you're <01:01:09.327>doing

1529
01:01:09.535 --> 01:01:10.955
<01:01:09.535>for <01:01:09.961>the <01:01:10.386>electrical <01:01:10.813>vehicles.

1530
01:01:11.155 --> 01:01:13.155
<01:01:11.155>I <01:01:11.295>didn't <01:01:11.435>even <01:01:11.575>know, <01:01:11.715>I, <01:01:11.855>I <01:01:11.995>didn't <01:01:12.135>know <01:01:12.275>where <01:01:12.415>you <01:01:12.555>were.

1531
01:01:13.235 --> 01:01:14.275
<01:01:13.235>I <01:01:13.391>just <01:01:13.547>thought <01:01:13.703>like, <01:01:13.859>bring <01:01:14.015>'em <01:01:14.171>in

1532
01:01:14.275 --> 01:01:16.235
<01:01:14.275>because <01:01:14.508>of <01:01:14.741>the <01:01:14.975>past <01:01:15.208>that <01:01:15.441>we <01:01:15.675>had.

1533
01:01:16.815 --> 01:01:18.635
<01:01:16.815>So, <01:01:17.015>um, <01:01:17.215>I <01:01:17.415>think <01:01:17.615>there <01:01:17.815>was <01:01:18.015>a <01:01:18.215>lot

1534
01:01:18.635 --> 01:01:20.595
<01:01:18.635>of <01:01:18.868>interesting <01:01:19.101>things <01:01:19.335>we <01:01:19.568>had <01:01:19.801>covered <01:01:20.035>today.

1535
01:01:20.795 --> 01:01:22.155
<01:01:20.795>I <01:01:20.931>got <01:01:21.067>a <01:01:21.203>lot <01:01:21.339>of <01:01:21.475>stuff <01:01:21.611>that <01:01:21.747>I <01:01:21.883>don't <01:01:22.019>need

1536
01:01:22.155 --> 01:01:23.355
<01:01:22.155>to <01:01:22.335>put <01:01:22.515>in <01:01:22.695>the <01:01:22.875>newsletter <01:01:23.055>on <01:01:23.235>Friday,

1537
01:01:23.455 --> 01:01:25.835
<01:01:23.455>but <01:01:23.562>I <01:01:23.670>will <01:01:23.778>have <01:01:23.885>a <01:01:23.993>lot <01:01:24.101>more <01:01:24.208>that <01:01:24.316>I <01:01:24.424>will <01:01:24.531>put <01:01:24.639>in <01:01:24.747>the <01:01:24.855>newsletter

1538
01:01:26.415 --> 01:01:27.475
<01:01:26.415>and, <01:01:26.653>uh, <01:01:26.892>this <01:01:27.130>was <01:01:27.368>fun.

1539
01:01:27.495 --> 01:01:29.515
<01:01:27.495>So <01:01:27.670>thanks <01:01:27.845>very <01:01:28.020>much <01:01:28.194>and <01:01:28.370>thanks <01:01:28.545>for <01:01:28.720>your <01:01:28.895>time.

1540
01:01:30.085 --> 01:01:32.335
<01:01:30.085>Thank <01:01:30.551>you. <01:01:31.018>And <01:01:31.485>thanks

1541
01:01:32.335 --> 01:01:33.735
<01:01:32.335>for <01:01:32.587>everybody <01:01:32.839>else's <01:01:33.091>time <01:01:33.343>as <01:01:33.595>well.

1542
01:01:33.835 --> 01:01:35.455
<01:01:33.835>So <01:01:34.068>that <01:01:34.301>was, <01:01:34.535>we <01:01:34.768>are <01:01:35.001>developers <01:01:35.235>live

1543
01:01:35.555 --> 01:01:36.895
<01:01:35.555>for <01:01:35.856>today, <01:01:36.158>15th <01:01:36.459>of <01:01:36.761>January.

1544
01:01:37.325 --> 01:01:38.495
<01:01:37.325>I'll <01:01:37.588>see <01:01:37.851>you <01:01:38.114>next <01:01:38.377>Wednesday,

1545
01:01:38.675 --> 01:01:40.415
<01:01:38.675>and <01:01:38.850>we <01:01:39.025>see <01:01:39.200>you <01:01:39.375>in <01:01:39.550>your <01:01:39.725>inbox <01:01:39.900>on <01:01:40.075>Friday.

1546
01:01:40.915 --> 01:01:41.575
<01:01:40.915>Thanks <01:01:41.509>again.