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<00:15:10.285>this <00:15:10.425>very <00:15:10.564>flat <00:15:10.704>effect <00:15:10.844>that <00:15:10.985>you <00:15:11.125>see <00:15:11.265>the, <00:15:11.405>um, <00:15:11.545>it's <00:15:11.685>not,

382
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<00:15:13.505>not <00:15:13.779>really <00:15:14.054>the <00:15:14.328>best <00:15:14.603>example,

383
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<00:15:14.865>but <00:15:15.098>sort <00:15:15.331>of <00:15:15.565>quite, <00:15:15.798>um, <00:15:16.031>simple <00:15:16.265>elements.

384
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<00:15:17.765>There's <00:15:18.089>not, <00:15:18.413>there's <00:15:18.737>not <00:15:19.061>gradients,

385
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<00:15:19.205>there's <00:15:19.332>not <00:15:19.459>a <00:15:19.586>huge <00:15:19.714>amount <00:15:19.841>in <00:15:19.968>terms <00:15:20.095>of, <00:15:20.223>um, <00:15:20.350>kind <00:15:20.477>of <00:15:20.605>detail.

386
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<00:15:22.075>It's <00:15:22.230>usually <00:15:22.386>just <00:15:22.541>sort <00:15:22.697>of <00:15:22.852>very <00:15:23.008>big <00:15:23.163>and <00:15:23.319>blocky <00:15:23.475>design.

387
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<00:15:25.305>It, <00:15:25.517>it <00:15:25.731>almost <00:15:25.944>makes <00:15:26.157>me <00:15:26.370>think <00:15:26.583>of

388
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<00:15:26.725>that <00:15:26.900>when <00:15:27.075>you <00:15:27.250>were <00:15:27.425>showing <00:15:27.600>that, <00:15:27.775>that <00:15:27.950>one <00:15:28.125>before.

389
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<00:15:28.585>Um, <00:15:28.740>if <00:15:28.896>you <00:15:29.051>bring <00:15:29.207>up <00:15:29.362>that <00:15:29.518>last <00:15:29.673>tab, <00:15:29.829>Chris, <00:15:29.985>sorry,

390
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<00:15:31.405>I <00:15:31.685>know <00:15:31.964>it's, <00:15:32.245>uh, <00:15:32.525>it's <00:15:32.805>gone.

391
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<00:15:33.165>Yeah. <00:15:33.320>This, <00:15:33.476>this <00:15:33.631>idea <00:15:33.787>that <00:15:33.942>you, <00:15:34.098>you <00:15:34.253>purely <00:15:34.409>prioritize <00:15:34.564>the,

392
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<00:15:37.045>the <00:15:37.219>text <00:15:37.395>that <00:15:37.569>someone <00:15:37.745>needs <00:15:37.920>to <00:15:38.094>see <00:15:38.270>to <00:15:38.444>read,

393
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<00:15:38.885>to <00:15:39.197>understand <00:15:39.509>the <00:15:39.820>article,

394
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<00:15:40.265>and <00:15:40.420>that <00:15:40.576>the <00:15:40.731>image <00:15:40.887>is <00:15:41.042>almost <00:15:41.198>looks <00:15:41.353>like <00:15:41.509>it's <00:15:41.665>just

395
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<00:15:43.235>they <00:15:43.410>fit <00:15:43.585>the <00:15:43.760>image <00:15:43.935>in <00:15:44.110>wherever <00:15:44.285>they <00:15:44.460>had <00:15:44.635>space.

396
00:15:47.195 --> 00:15:49.355
<00:15:47.195>I <00:15:47.395>mean, <00:15:47.595>how, <00:15:47.795>how's <00:15:47.995>Craigslist <00:15:48.195>doing <00:15:48.395>these <00:15:48.595>days?

397
00:15:49.355 --> 00:15:51.235
<00:15:49.355>Craigslist <00:15:49.705>was <00:15:50.055>always <00:15:50.405>this <00:15:50.755>example

398
00:15:51.335 --> 00:15:54.355
<00:15:51.335>of <00:15:51.475>we <00:15:51.615>don't <00:15:51.755>care <00:15:51.895>about <00:15:52.035>design <00:15:52.175>and <00:15:52.315>it <00:15:52.455>just <00:15:52.595>works, <00:15:52.735>right?

399
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<00:15:54.815>And <00:15:54.990>even <00:15:55.165>though <00:15:55.340>I'm <00:15:55.515>not <00:15:55.690>a <00:15:55.865>big <00:15:56.040>hacker <00:15:56.215>user,

400
00:15:57.095 --> 00:15:58.875
<00:15:57.095>but <00:15:57.561>Hacker <00:15:58.028>News <00:15:58.495>is,

401
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<00:15:58.895>is <00:15:59.069>the <00:15:59.245>perfect <00:15:59.420>example <00:15:59.595>for <00:15:59.770>these <00:15:59.944>kind <00:16:00.120>of <00:16:00.295>things.

402
00:16:00.535 --> 00:16:01.535
All

403
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<00:16:02.125>Craigslist <00:16:02.475>still <00:16:02.825>stays <00:16:03.175>the <00:16:03.525>same.

404
00:16:04.015 --> 00:16:08.475
<00:16:04.015>And <00:16:04.189>I <00:16:04.365>mean, <00:16:04.540>he's, <00:16:04.715>uh, <00:16:04.890>interviewing, <00:16:05.064>Talking <00:16:05.240>to <00:16:05.415>him

405
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<00:16:09.015>and, <00:16:09.155>but <00:16:09.295>I <00:16:09.435>saw <00:16:09.574>an <00:16:09.715>interview <00:16:09.855>with <00:16:09.995>him <00:16:10.135>the <00:16:10.275>other <00:16:10.415>day,

406
00:16:11.075 --> 00:16:12.555
<00:16:11.075>what <00:16:11.241>he <00:16:11.408>does <00:16:11.574>with <00:16:11.741>his <00:16:11.907>money <00:16:12.074>and <00:16:12.240>how <00:16:12.406>much,

407
00:16:12.555 --> 00:16:15.395
<00:16:12.555>and <00:16:12.710>it <00:16:12.866>feels <00:16:13.021>like <00:16:13.177>what <00:16:13.332>we <00:16:13.488>chatted <00:16:13.643>offline <00:16:13.799>about <00:16:13.954>earlier,

408
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<00:16:15.505>like <00:16:15.855>that, <00:16:16.205>like <00:16:16.555>happy <00:16:16.905>sizing.

409
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<00:16:17.345>He's <00:16:17.680>like, <00:16:18.015>it's, <00:16:18.350>it <00:16:18.686>works.

410
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<00:16:19.075>I, <00:16:19.327>I <00:16:19.579>basically, <00:16:19.831>I <00:16:20.083>don't <00:16:20.335>want

411
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<00:16:20.475>to <00:16:20.655>get <00:16:20.835>put <00:16:21.015>more <00:16:21.194>things <00:16:21.375>in <00:16:21.555>there.

412
00:16:22.295 --> 00:16:26.275
<00:16:22.295>And <00:16:22.435>it, <00:16:22.574>yeah, <00:16:22.714>it <00:16:22.854>feels <00:16:22.995>like, <00:16:23.135>uh, <00:16:23.275>it's, <00:16:23.415>it's, <00:16:23.555>it's <00:16:23.694>intense,

413
00:16:26.415 --> 00:16:27.875
<00:16:26.415>but <00:16:26.634>it <00:16:26.853>really, <00:16:27.072>really <00:16:27.290>does <00:16:27.510>the <00:16:27.729>job.

414
00:16:28.015 --> 00:16:31.075
<00:16:28.015>So <00:16:28.189>I <00:16:28.365>think <00:16:28.540>there <00:16:28.715>is <00:16:28.890>a <00:16:29.064>fascinating, <00:16:29.240>uh, <00:16:29.415>moment

415
00:16:31.075 --> 00:16:34.835
<00:16:31.075>where <00:16:31.275>these <00:16:31.475>things <00:16:31.675>are <00:16:31.875>built <00:16:32.075>for <00:16:32.275>like, <00:16:32.475>changing.

416
00:16:34.935 --> 00:16:36.715
<00:16:34.935>It <00:16:35.135>would <00:16:35.334>probably <00:16:35.535>be <00:16:35.734>like <00:16:35.935>a <00:16:36.135>big <00:16:36.334>thing.

417
00:16:36.715 --> 00:16:37.955
<00:16:36.715>People <00:16:36.994>would <00:16:37.273>complain <00:16:37.552>about <00:16:37.831>it

418
00:16:37.955 --> 00:16:40.595
<00:16:37.955>when <00:16:38.082>they <00:16:38.209>do <00:16:38.336>it, <00:16:38.464>when <00:16:38.591>you <00:16:38.718>do <00:16:38.845>that. <00:16:38.973>So <00:16:39.100>yeah, <00:16:39.227>when <00:16:39.355>people

419
00:16:40.955 --> 00:16:42.915
<00:16:40.955>Complain <00:16:41.188>always <00:16:41.421>right, <00:16:41.655>when <00:16:41.888>you <00:16:42.121>change <00:16:42.355>something.

420
00:16:42.945 --> 00:16:44.755
<00:16:42.945>Yeah. <00:16:43.295>But <00:16:43.645>changing <00:16:43.995>designs, <00:16:44.345>uh,

421
00:16:44.775 --> 00:16:48.155
<00:16:44.775>and <00:16:44.949>making <00:16:45.125>functionality <00:16:45.300>harder <00:16:45.475>regardless <00:16:45.650>of <00:16:45.824>what <00:16:46.000>it <00:16:46.175>is.

422
00:16:48.435 --> 00:16:50.475
<00:16:48.435>I <00:16:48.635>think <00:16:48.834>people <00:16:49.035>complain <00:16:49.234>more <00:16:49.435>than <00:16:49.635>just <00:16:49.834>adding

423
00:16:50.475 --> 00:16:51.675
<00:16:50.475>some <00:16:50.835>colors <00:16:51.194>or <00:16:51.555>something.

424
00:16:52.135 --> 00:16:53.235
<00:16:52.135>If <00:16:52.300>you're <00:16:52.465>good <00:16:52.630>at <00:16:52.795>what <00:16:52.960>you're <00:16:53.125>doing

425
00:16:53.235 --> 00:16:57.115
<00:16:53.235>and <00:16:53.362>you <00:16:53.489>change <00:16:53.616>this <00:16:53.744>with <00:16:53.871>an <00:16:53.998>LLM <00:16:54.125>interaction, <00:16:54.253>I'm <00:16:54.380>not <00:16:54.507>sure <00:16:54.635>if

426
00:16:57.115 --> 00:16:58.715
<00:16:57.115>that's <00:16:57.395>a <00:16:57.675>reasonable <00:16:57.955>thing <00:16:58.235>to <00:16:58.515>do.

427
00:17:00.105 --> 00:17:02.395
<00:17:00.105>Well, <00:17:00.280>another <00:17:00.455>thing <00:17:00.630>that <00:17:00.805>I <00:17:00.980>found <00:17:01.155>interesting <00:17:01.330>was <00:17:01.505>like

428
00:17:02.495 --> 00:17:05.915
<00:17:02.495>how <00:17:02.670>we <00:17:02.845>used <00:17:03.020>LLMs <00:17:03.195>to <00:17:03.370>produce <00:17:03.545>instructions <00:17:03.720>for <00:17:03.895>LLMs

429
00:17:05.915 --> 00:17:07.315
<00:17:05.915>to <00:17:06.335>build <00:17:06.755>encore <00:17:07.175>applications.

430
00:17:08.055 --> 00:17:10.435
<00:17:08.055>I'm <00:17:08.210>not <00:17:08.366>quite <00:17:08.521>sure <00:17:08.677>what <00:17:08.832>they <00:17:08.988>work <00:17:09.143>on <00:17:09.299>about <00:17:09.455>there.

431
00:17:10.575 --> 00:17:11.715
<00:17:10.575>So, <00:17:10.916>uh, <00:17:11.259>uh, <00:17:11.600>basically,

432
00:17:11.735 --> 00:17:14.915
<00:17:11.734>but <00:17:11.909>I, <00:17:12.084>when <00:17:12.260>it <00:17:12.435>comes <00:17:12.609>to <00:17:12.784>like, <00:17:12.959>designing <00:17:13.135>tools

433
00:17:14.915 --> 00:17:18.195
<00:17:14.915>for <00:17:15.070>developers <00:17:15.226>means <00:17:15.381>designing <00:17:15.537>tools <00:17:15.692>for <00:17:15.848>LLMs, <00:17:16.003>I <00:17:16.159>found <00:17:16.315>that

434
00:17:18.295 --> 00:17:22.475
<00:17:18.295>as <00:17:18.450>a <00:17:18.606>developer <00:17:18.761>when <00:17:18.917>I <00:17:19.072>worked <00:17:19.228>on <00:17:19.383>developer <00:17:19.539>tools, <00:17:19.695>uh,

435
00:17:22.585 --> 00:17:24.115
<00:17:22.585>it's <00:17:22.929>really <00:17:23.273>tricky <00:17:23.617>to <00:17:23.962>innovate.

436
00:17:24.625 --> 00:17:27.475
<00:17:24.625>It's <00:17:24.800>really <00:17:24.974>hard <00:17:25.150>to <00:17:25.325>actually <00:17:25.500>change <00:17:25.675>something <00:17:25.849>that <00:17:26.025>millions

437
00:17:27.475 --> 00:17:29.435
<00:17:27.474>of <00:17:27.649>people <00:17:27.824>use <00:17:28.000>every <00:17:28.175>day <00:17:28.349>to <00:17:28.524>build <00:17:28.699>other <00:17:28.875>things.

438
00:17:29.945 --> 00:17:32.195
<00:17:29.945>Like <00:17:30.145>shifting <00:17:30.345>a <00:17:30.544>button <00:17:30.745>around <00:17:30.945>is <00:17:31.145>just, <00:17:31.345>uh,

439
00:17:32.215 --> 00:17:33.275
<00:17:32.215>making <00:17:32.692>people <00:17:33.169>nuts.

440
00:17:33.415 --> 00:17:36.075
<00:17:33.415>So <00:17:33.590>it <00:17:33.764>will <00:17:33.940>be <00:17:34.115>interesting <00:17:34.290>to <00:17:34.465>see <00:17:34.639>what, <00:17:34.815>uh,

441
00:17:36.095 --> 00:17:37.315
<00:17:36.095>uh, <00:17:36.461>how <00:17:36.827>that <00:17:37.193>works.

442
00:17:37.425 --> 00:17:41.715
<00:17:37.425>Like <00:17:37.552>the, <00:17:37.679>the, <00:17:37.806>the, <00:17:37.934>the <00:17:38.061>tools <00:17:38.188>to <00:17:38.315>build <00:17:38.443>things <00:17:38.570>with, <00:17:38.697>uh, <00:17:38.825>if

443
00:17:41.715 --> 00:17:44.395
<00:17:41.715>that <00:17:41.889>changes <00:17:42.064>into <00:17:42.240>a <00:17:42.415>more <00:17:42.590>interactive <00:17:42.764>state <00:17:42.939>as <00:17:43.115>well.

444
00:17:44.915 --> 00:17:46.795
<00:17:44.915>I <00:17:45.070>mean, <00:17:45.226>I've <00:17:45.381>never <00:17:45.537>trusted <00:17:45.692>that <00:17:45.848>what <00:17:46.003>you <00:17:46.159>see <00:17:46.315>is

445
00:17:46.795 --> 00:17:49.585
<00:17:46.795>what <00:17:46.970>you <00:17:47.145>get <00:17:47.320>editor <00:17:47.495>and <00:17:47.670>uh, <00:17:47.845>uh, <00:17:48.020>like <00:17:48.195>anything

446
00:17:49.585 --> 00:17:51.025
<00:17:49.585>that <00:17:49.844>is <00:17:50.103>like <00:17:50.362>dragging <00:17:50.621>things <00:17:50.881>around

447
00:17:51.085 --> 00:17:52.425
<00:17:51.085>and <00:17:51.386>snapping <00:17:51.688>them <00:17:51.989>into <00:17:52.291>place.

448
00:17:52.585 --> 00:17:55.305
<00:17:52.585>I <00:17:52.712>know <00:17:52.839>it's <00:17:52.966>gonna <00:17:53.094>be <00:17:53.221>horrible <00:17:53.348>code, <00:17:53.475>but <00:17:53.603>that <00:17:53.730>might <00:17:53.857>be <00:17:53.985>just

449
00:17:55.305 --> 00:17:56.945
<00:17:55.305>because <00:17:55.538>I <00:17:55.771>shouldn't <00:17:56.005>do <00:17:56.238>this <00:17:56.471>job <00:17:56.705>anymore.

450
00:17:58.455 --> 00:18:00.105
<00:17:58.455>Like, <00:17:58.804>how <00:17:59.155>about <00:17:59.504>you, <00:17:59.855>Dan?

451
00:18:00.125 --> 00:18:02.265
<00:18:00.125>Do, <00:18:00.232>are <00:18:00.340>you <00:18:00.448>more <00:18:00.555>of <00:18:00.663>a, <00:18:00.771>what <00:18:00.878>you <00:18:00.986>see <00:18:01.094>is <00:18:01.201>what <00:18:01.309>you <00:18:01.417>get <00:18:01.525>person?

452
00:18:02.325 --> 00:18:03.465
<00:18:02.325>Do <00:18:02.496>you <00:18:02.667>trust <00:18:02.838>that <00:18:03.009>kind <00:18:03.180>of <00:18:03.351>stuff?

453
00:18:04.245 --> 00:18:06.705
<00:18:04.245>No, <00:18:04.400>no. <00:18:04.556>I've <00:18:04.711>had <00:18:04.867>experiences <00:18:05.022>over <00:18:05.178>the <00:18:05.333>years, <00:18:05.489>you <00:18:05.645>know,

454
00:18:06.705 --> 00:18:09.505
<00:18:06.705>like <00:18:06.879>all <00:18:07.054>of <00:18:07.230>us <00:18:07.405>with, <00:18:07.580>whether <00:18:07.754>it's <00:18:07.929>WordPress, <00:18:08.105>jumbler,

455
00:18:09.525 --> 00:18:11.345
<00:18:09.525>Drupal, <00:18:09.725>all <00:18:09.925>these <00:18:10.125>kinds <00:18:10.325>of <00:18:10.525>things <00:18:10.725>where <00:18:10.925>they've,

456
00:18:11.415 --> 00:18:13.305
<00:18:11.415>they've <00:18:11.764>always <00:18:12.115>had <00:18:12.465>editor <00:18:12.815>problems

457
00:18:13.305 --> 00:18:15.785
<00:18:13.305>and <00:18:13.445>they <00:18:13.585>would, <00:18:13.725>uh, <00:18:13.865>quite <00:18:14.005>often <00:18:14.145>I <00:18:14.285>would <00:18:14.425>find <00:18:14.565>things <00:18:14.705>like

458
00:18:15.785 --> 00:18:17.025
<00:18:15.785>WordPress <00:18:16.008>for <00:18:16.231>me <00:18:16.454>used <00:18:16.677>to <00:18:16.901>break

459
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<00:18:17.025>where <00:18:17.225>I <00:18:17.425>would <00:18:17.625>use <00:18:17.825>maybe <00:18:18.025>a <00:18:18.225>plugin <00:18:18.425>editor

460
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<00:18:19.525>and <00:18:19.725>then <00:18:19.925>the <00:18:20.125>editor, <00:18:20.325>you <00:18:20.525>know, <00:18:20.725>needs <00:18:20.925>updates.

461
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<00:18:21.405>And <00:18:21.605>so <00:18:21.805>then, <00:18:22.004>uh, <00:18:22.205>the <00:18:22.405>entire <00:18:22.605>editor's <00:18:22.805>broken.

462
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<00:18:23.965>And <00:18:24.177>now <00:18:24.389>I <00:18:24.602>don't <00:18:24.814>like <00:18:25.027>it.

463
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<00:18:25.185>I <00:18:25.340>like <00:18:25.496>to <00:18:25.651>go <00:18:25.807>for <00:18:25.962>Mark <00:18:26.118>down <00:18:26.273>wherever <00:18:26.429>I <00:18:26.585>can.

464
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<00:18:27.145>'cause <00:18:27.332>it's <00:18:27.519>just, <00:18:27.706>it <00:18:27.893>just <00:18:28.081>feels

465
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<00:18:28.185>like <00:18:28.359>it <00:18:28.533>makes <00:18:28.706>more <00:18:28.881>sense <00:18:29.055>to <00:18:29.229>me.

466
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<00:18:29.485>Um, <00:18:29.685>but, <00:18:29.885>but <00:18:30.084>going <00:18:30.284>onto <00:18:30.485>this <00:18:30.685>article, <00:18:30.885>actually,

467
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<00:18:32.025>there <00:18:32.187>was <00:18:32.349>one <00:18:32.511>point <00:18:32.673>I <00:18:32.835>wanted <00:18:32.997>to

468
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<00:18:33.105>sort <00:18:33.299>of <00:18:33.493>just <00:18:33.688>bring, <00:18:33.882>bring <00:18:34.077>out.

469
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<00:18:34.305>'cause <00:18:34.421>I <00:18:34.538>think <00:18:34.655>it <00:18:34.771>kind <00:18:34.888>of <00:18:35.005>hits <00:18:35.121>on <00:18:35.238>the, <00:18:35.355>the <00:18:35.471>essence <00:18:35.588>of <00:18:35.705>it

470
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<00:18:36.395>where <00:18:36.570>there's <00:18:36.745>three <00:18:36.920>bullet <00:18:37.095>points <00:18:37.270>where <00:18:37.445>they <00:18:37.620>say, <00:18:37.795>um,

471
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<00:18:38.925>our <00:18:39.235>simple <00:18:39.546>but <00:18:39.856>effective <00:18:40.167>solution.

472
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<00:18:40.845>And <00:18:40.985>it <00:18:41.125>was <00:18:41.265>just <00:18:41.405>this <00:18:41.545>idea <00:18:41.685>about <00:18:41.825>how <00:18:41.965>they, <00:18:42.105>um, <00:18:42.245>really,

473
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<00:18:44.505>I <00:18:44.680>would <00:18:44.855>say <00:18:45.030>that <00:18:45.205>the <00:18:45.380>summary <00:18:45.555>point <00:18:45.730>is <00:18:45.905>about

474
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<00:18:46.185>how <00:18:46.385>they're <00:18:46.585>trying <00:18:46.784>to <00:18:46.985>think <00:18:47.185>like <00:18:47.385>an <00:18:47.585>LLM.

475
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<00:18:48.265>And <00:18:48.440>so <00:18:48.615>they're <00:18:48.790>creating <00:18:48.965>practices, <00:18:49.140>uh, <00:18:49.315>that <00:18:49.490>are <00:18:49.665>designed

476
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<00:18:51.205>for <00:18:51.405>the <00:18:51.605>LLM <00:18:51.804>primarily <00:18:52.004>rather <00:18:52.205>than <00:18:52.405>the <00:18:52.605>team.

477
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<00:18:53.885>And <00:18:54.053>so <00:18:54.222>the <00:18:54.391>team <00:18:54.560>then <00:18:54.728>are <00:18:54.897>having <00:18:55.066>to <00:18:55.235>sort

478
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<00:18:55.385>of <00:18:55.618>work <00:18:55.851>in <00:18:56.085>service <00:18:56.318>of <00:18:56.551>the <00:18:56.785>LLM.

479
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<00:18:57.645>Um, <00:18:57.879>so <00:18:58.113>they've <00:18:58.347>got <00:18:58.581>things <00:18:58.815>there

480
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<00:18:58.945>like <00:18:59.575>rewriting <00:19:00.205>documentation.

481
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<00:19:00.365>And <00:19:00.540>Stephanie, <00:19:00.715>you <00:19:00.890>said <00:19:01.065>about <00:19:01.240>changing <00:19:01.415>something, <00:19:01.590>you <00:19:01.765>know,

482
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<00:19:03.325>can <00:19:03.498>be <00:19:03.671>a <00:19:03.844>real <00:19:04.018>headache <00:19:04.191>and <00:19:04.364>it <00:19:04.537>can <00:19:04.711>kind

483
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<00:19:04.865>of, <00:19:05.108>you <00:19:05.351>know, <00:19:05.594>break <00:19:05.837>things.

484
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<00:19:06.085>Um, <00:19:06.240>it <00:19:06.396>looks <00:19:06.551>like <00:19:06.707>they're <00:19:06.862>sort <00:19:07.018>of <00:19:07.173>trying <00:19:07.329>to <00:19:07.485>think,

485
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<00:19:08.665>almost <00:19:08.935>go <00:19:09.205>back <00:19:09.475>one <00:19:09.745>step.

486
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<00:19:09.965>If <00:19:10.092>we're <00:19:10.219>all <00:19:10.346>going <00:19:10.474>to <00:19:10.601>be <00:19:10.728>using <00:19:10.855>LLMs <00:19:10.983>when <00:19:11.110>we're, <00:19:11.237>when <00:19:11.365>we're,

487
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<00:19:13.385>when <00:19:13.665>we're <00:19:13.945>programming, <00:19:14.225>then <00:19:14.504>it <00:19:14.785>needs

488
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<00:19:15.185>to <00:19:15.383>be <00:19:15.581>trained <00:19:15.779>on <00:19:15.977>the <00:19:16.175>right <00:19:16.373>information.

489
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<00:19:16.645>And <00:19:16.772>to <00:19:16.899>do <00:19:17.026>that, <00:19:17.154>we <00:19:17.281>need <00:19:17.408>to <00:19:17.535>make <00:19:17.663>sure <00:19:17.790>our <00:19:17.917>documentation <00:19:18.045>can

490
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<00:19:19.145>be <00:19:19.345>easily <00:19:19.545>indexed <00:19:19.745>and <00:19:19.945>read <00:19:20.145>by <00:19:20.345>the <00:19:20.545>ai.

491
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<00:19:21.525>Um, <00:19:21.725>so <00:19:21.925>it, <00:19:22.125>it, <00:19:22.325>it's <00:19:22.525>an <00:19:22.725>interesting <00:19:22.925>point.

492
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<00:19:23.805>At <00:19:23.972>least, <00:19:24.139>you <00:19:24.306>know, <00:19:24.473>do <00:19:24.640>we <00:19:24.807>just <00:19:24.975>try

493
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<00:19:25.105>and <00:19:25.280>use <00:19:25.455>documentation <00:19:25.630>we've <00:19:25.805>got <00:19:25.980>at <00:19:26.155>the <00:19:26.330>moment, <00:19:26.505>try

494
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<00:19:27.265>and <00:19:27.524>make <00:19:27.783>it <00:19:28.042>fit <00:19:28.301>into <00:19:28.561>LLMs

495
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<00:19:28.705>and <00:19:28.879>hope <00:19:29.054>that <00:19:29.229>they <00:19:29.404>can <00:19:29.579>work <00:19:29.754>with <00:19:29.929>it?

496
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<00:19:30.165>Or <00:19:30.340>can <00:19:30.514>that <00:19:30.690>be <00:19:30.865>enhanced <00:19:31.040>by <00:19:31.215>changing <00:19:31.389>the <00:19:31.565>documentation

497
00:19:33.245 --> 00:19:34.745
<00:19:33.245>so <00:19:33.469>it's <00:19:33.695>in <00:19:33.919>a <00:19:34.145>language <00:19:34.370>they <00:19:34.594>understand?

498
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<00:19:35.165>Um, <00:19:35.332>which <00:19:35.499>I <00:19:35.666>thought <00:19:35.833>was <00:19:36.000>an <00:19:36.167>interesting <00:19:36.335>point.

499
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<00:19:37.605>Yeah, <00:19:37.885>I <00:19:38.165>mean, <00:19:38.445>you <00:19:38.725>can <00:19:39.005>drastically

500
00:19:39.175 --> 00:19:40.215
<00:19:39.175>improve <00:19:39.486>the <00:19:39.799>results, <00:19:40.110>right?

501
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<00:19:40.295>I, <00:19:40.435>I <00:19:40.575>played <00:19:40.715>with <00:19:40.855>that, <00:19:40.995>uh, <00:19:41.135>this, <00:19:41.275>uh, <00:19:41.415>so <00:19:41.555>cursor <00:19:41.695>rules

502
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<00:19:43.595>or <00:19:43.770>co-pilot <00:19:43.945>instructions <00:19:44.120>or <00:19:44.295>whatever <00:19:44.470>you <00:19:44.645>call <00:19:44.820>it, <00:19:44.995>right?

503
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<00:19:46.755>Um, <00:19:47.105>if <00:19:47.455>you <00:19:47.805>really <00:19:48.155>adopt

504
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<00:19:48.355>or <00:19:48.471>if <00:19:48.588>you <00:19:48.705>really <00:19:48.821>have <00:19:48.938>a <00:19:49.055>team <00:19:49.171>across <00:19:49.288>that <00:19:49.405>use <00:19:49.521>the <00:19:49.638>same <00:19:49.755>LLM,

505
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<00:19:50.895>that <00:19:51.125>makes <00:19:51.355>so <00:19:51.586>much <00:19:51.816>sense, <00:19:52.047>right?

506
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<00:19:52.175>Just <00:19:52.524>generate <00:19:52.875>your <00:19:53.225>cursor <00:19:53.575>rules

507
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<00:19:54.435>by <00:19:54.668>just <00:19:54.901>with <00:19:55.135>a <00:19:55.368>build <00:19:55.601>script, <00:19:55.835>right?

508
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<00:19:56.955>And <00:19:57.082>generate <00:19:57.209>some <00:19:57.336>stuff <00:19:57.464>to <00:19:57.591>feed <00:19:57.718>it <00:19:57.845>with <00:19:57.973>every <00:19:58.100>LLM <00:19:58.227>ca <00:19:58.355>call.

509
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<00:20:00.435>And <00:20:00.635>this <00:20:00.835>makes <00:20:01.034>the <00:20:01.235>output <00:20:01.435>so <00:20:01.635>much <00:20:01.835>better.

510
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<00:20:02.925>This <00:20:03.052>is <00:20:03.179>something, <00:20:03.306>I <00:20:03.434>mean, <00:20:03.561>we, <00:20:03.688>we <00:20:03.815>are <00:20:03.943>still <00:20:04.070>all <00:20:04.197>kind <00:20:04.325>of,

511
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<00:20:05.435>at <00:20:05.611>least <00:20:05.789>I <00:20:05.966>am <00:20:06.143>kind <00:20:06.320>of <00:20:06.497>learning

512
00:20:06.715 --> 00:20:09.815
<00:20:06.715>how <00:20:06.915>this <00:20:07.115>whole <00:20:07.314>thing <00:20:07.514>should <00:20:07.715>fit <00:20:07.915>into <00:20:08.115>my

513
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<00:20:09.845>development <00:20:10.443>workflow, <00:20:11.042>right?

514
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<00:20:11.295>I <00:20:11.495>really <00:20:11.695>force <00:20:11.895>myself <00:20:12.095>to <00:20:12.295>have, <00:20:12.495>for <00:20:12.695>example,

515
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<00:20:14.045>copilot <00:20:14.480>chat <00:20:14.915>all <00:20:15.350>open

516
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<00:20:15.725>because <00:20:15.958>I'm <00:20:16.191>so <00:20:16.425>hesitant <00:20:16.658>and <00:20:16.891>so <00:20:17.125>skeptical.

517
00:20:19.155 --> 00:20:21.735
<00:20:19.155>But <00:20:19.310>when <00:20:19.466>you, <00:20:19.621>when <00:20:19.777>you <00:20:19.932>kind <00:20:20.088>of <00:20:20.243>provide <00:20:20.399>cursor <00:20:20.555>rules

518
00:20:21.735 --> 00:20:23.175
<00:20:21.735>or <00:20:22.167>go <00:20:22.599>co-pilot <00:20:23.031>instructions

519
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<00:20:23.175>and <00:20:23.291>you <00:20:23.408>kind <00:20:23.524>of <00:20:23.641>figure <00:20:23.758>out <00:20:23.875>how <00:20:23.991>you <00:20:24.108>have <00:20:24.225>to <00:20:24.341>use <00:20:24.458>these <00:20:24.575>kind

520
00:20:25.455 --> 00:20:28.255
<00:20:25.455>of <00:20:25.688>things, <00:20:25.921>well, <00:20:26.155>I'm <00:20:26.388>still <00:20:26.621>a <00:20:26.855>skeptic,

521
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<00:20:28.475>but <00:20:28.649>I <00:20:28.824>do <00:20:29.000>recognize <00:20:29.175>more <00:20:29.350>cases <00:20:29.524>where <00:20:29.699>this <00:20:29.875>shines.

522
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<00:20:31.795>But <00:20:31.984>what <00:20:32.173>about, <00:20:32.362>are <00:20:32.551>you <00:20:32.740>then, <00:20:32.929>are,

523
00:20:33.055 --> 00:20:34.495
<00:20:33.055>are <00:20:33.271>you <00:20:33.487>big <00:20:33.703>on <00:20:33.918>the <00:20:34.135>LLM <00:20:34.351>coding?

524
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<00:20:35.275>Um, <00:20:35.475>I <00:20:35.675>am, <00:20:35.875>but <00:20:36.075>purely <00:20:36.275>out <00:20:36.475>of <00:20:36.675>curiosity.

525
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<00:20:37.755>You <00:20:37.862>know, <00:20:37.970>I <00:20:38.078>think <00:20:38.185>that, <00:20:38.293>um, <00:20:38.401>I've <00:20:38.508>always <00:20:38.616>been <00:20:38.724>a <00:20:38.831>fan <00:20:38.939>of, <00:20:39.047>i <00:20:39.155>i,

526
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<00:20:41.255>I <00:20:41.382>almost <00:20:41.509>put <00:20:41.636>it <00:20:41.764>into <00:20:41.891>the <00:20:42.018>category <00:20:42.145>of <00:20:42.273>things <00:20:42.400>like <00:20:42.527>it's <00:20:42.655>a,

527
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<00:20:43.635>an <00:20:44.166>accessible <00:20:44.697>technology

528
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<00:20:44.835>or <00:20:44.990>it's <00:20:45.146>something <00:20:45.301>that <00:20:45.457>can <00:20:45.612>enable <00:20:45.768>you <00:20:45.923>to <00:20:46.079>do <00:20:46.235>something

529
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<00:20:47.205>that <00:20:47.332>maybe <00:20:47.459>is <00:20:47.586>at <00:20:47.714>the <00:20:47.841>limits <00:20:47.968>of <00:20:48.095>kind <00:20:48.223>of <00:20:48.350>what <00:20:48.477>you <00:20:48.605>understand

530
00:20:49.405 --> 00:20:51.485
<00:20:49.405>or <00:20:49.580>what, <00:20:49.754>you <00:20:49.930>know, <00:20:50.105>obviously <00:20:50.280>there's <00:20:50.455>dangers <00:20:50.629>with <00:20:50.805>that,

531
00:20:51.505 --> 00:20:53.005
<00:20:51.505>you <00:20:51.730>know, <00:20:51.955>working <00:20:52.180>with <00:20:52.405>things <00:20:52.630>you <00:20:52.855>don't

532
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<00:20:53.005>really <00:20:53.509>fully <00:20:54.013>understand.

533
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<00:20:54.235>Yeah. <00:20:54.402>But <00:20:54.570>I've <00:20:54.737>always <00:20:54.905>been <00:20:55.073>a <00:20:55.240>fan <00:20:55.408>of <00:20:55.576>that.

534
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<00:20:55.785>Um, <00:20:55.960>if <00:20:56.135>we <00:20:56.310>map <00:20:56.485>it <00:20:56.660>onto <00:20:56.835>an <00:20:57.010>instrument, <00:20:57.185>actually

535
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<00:20:58.725>I <00:20:58.899>started <00:20:59.074>playing <00:20:59.249>guitar <00:20:59.424>when <00:20:59.599>I <00:20:59.774>was <00:20:59.949>young

536
00:21:00.085 --> 00:21:01.485
<00:21:00.085>and <00:21:00.225>I <00:21:00.365>would <00:21:00.505>play <00:21:00.645>songs <00:21:00.784>that <00:21:00.925>I <00:21:01.065>couldn't <00:21:01.205>really <00:21:01.344>play

537
00:21:01.485 --> 00:21:03.605
<00:21:01.485>and <00:21:01.592>I <00:21:01.700>would <00:21:01.808>just <00:21:01.915>have <00:21:02.023>a <00:21:02.131>go <00:21:02.238>and <00:21:02.346>they <00:21:02.454>were <00:21:02.561>too <00:21:02.669>fast <00:21:02.777>for <00:21:02.885>me.

538
00:21:03.945 --> 00:21:07.245
<00:21:03.945>But <00:21:04.100>I <00:21:04.256>think <00:21:04.411>that <00:21:04.567>that <00:21:04.722>helps <00:21:04.878>you <00:21:05.033>improve <00:21:05.189>more <00:21:05.345>quickly

539
00:21:07.245 --> 00:21:09.805
<00:21:07.245>because <00:21:07.372>you <00:21:07.499>can <00:21:07.626>kind <00:21:07.754>of <00:21:07.881>see <00:21:08.008>what <00:21:08.135>the <00:21:08.263>next <00:21:08.390>step <00:21:08.517>is, <00:21:08.645>or,

540
00:21:10.105 --> 00:21:12.605
<00:21:10.105>and <00:21:10.232>I <00:21:10.359>sort <00:21:10.486>of <00:21:10.614>see <00:21:10.741>the <00:21:10.868>same <00:21:10.995>thing <00:21:11.123>with <00:21:11.250>AI <00:21:11.377>where, <00:21:11.505>um,

541
00:21:12.665 --> 00:21:14.325
<00:21:12.665>it <00:21:12.865>shouldn't <00:21:13.065>be <00:21:13.264>writing <00:21:13.465>all <00:21:13.665>of <00:21:13.865>your <00:21:14.065>code.

542
00:21:14.385 --> 00:21:16.405
<00:21:14.385>It <00:21:14.560>shouldn't <00:21:14.735>just <00:21:14.910>be <00:21:15.085>that <00:21:15.260>you <00:21:15.435>are, <00:21:15.610>you <00:21:15.785>know,

543
00:21:16.445 --> 00:21:17.605
<00:21:16.445>I <00:21:16.653>think <00:21:16.862>at <00:21:17.071>the <00:21:17.280>moment <00:21:17.489>anyway

544
00:21:17.635 --> 00:21:19.365
<00:21:17.635>that <00:21:17.868>you're <00:21:18.101>just <00:21:18.335>describing <00:21:18.568>things <00:21:18.801>to <00:21:19.035>you

545
00:21:19.365 --> 00:21:20.685
<00:21:19.365>and <00:21:19.534>it's <00:21:19.704>giving <00:21:19.874>you <00:21:20.043>huge <00:21:20.213>chunks <00:21:20.383>of <00:21:20.553>code

546
00:21:20.685 --> 00:21:22.045
<00:21:20.685>and <00:21:20.889>you're <00:21:21.093>accepting <00:21:21.297>it <00:21:21.501>and <00:21:21.705>moving <00:21:21.909>on.

547
00:21:22.385 --> 00:21:24.365
<00:21:22.385>Um, <00:21:22.618>you <00:21:22.851>can <00:21:23.085>build <00:21:23.318>things <00:21:23.551>like <00:21:23.785>that.

548
00:21:24.885 --> 00:21:26.765
<00:21:24.885>I <00:21:25.025>just <00:21:25.165>don't <00:21:25.305>think <00:21:25.445>that's <00:21:25.585>good <00:21:25.725>for <00:21:25.865>you, <00:21:26.004>like <00:21:26.145>long <00:21:26.285>term

549
00:21:26.905 --> 00:21:29.445
<00:21:26.905>to <00:21:27.105>actually <00:21:27.305>understand <00:21:27.504>what <00:21:27.705>you're <00:21:27.905>looking <00:21:28.105>at. <00:21:28.305>Um,

550
00:21:29.475 --> 00:21:30.805
<00:21:29.475>Yeah, <00:21:30.073>I <00:21:30.672>mean,

551
00:21:31.225 --> 00:21:32.225
<00:21:31.225>1% <00:21:32.125>agree.

552
00:21:32.245 --> 00:21:34.325
<00:21:32.245>I <00:21:32.400>mean, <00:21:32.556>this <00:21:32.711>is <00:21:32.867>what <00:21:33.022>always <00:21:33.178>sets <00:21:33.333>you <00:21:33.489>apart, <00:21:33.645>right?

553
00:21:34.325 --> 00:21:36.485
<00:21:34.325>If <00:21:34.500>you <00:21:34.675>question <00:21:34.850>whatever <00:21:35.025>is <00:21:35.200>written <00:21:35.375>on <00:21:35.550>SEC <00:21:35.725>overflow

554
00:21:36.505 --> 00:21:37.605
<00:21:36.505>or <00:21:36.703>if <00:21:36.901>you, <00:21:37.099>what <00:21:37.297>you <00:21:37.495>copy

555
00:21:37.605 --> 00:21:38.605
<00:21:37.605>and <00:21:37.755>paste <00:21:37.905>from <00:21:38.055>summary, <00:21:38.205>it <00:21:38.355>doesn't <00:21:38.505>matter

556
00:21:38.605 --> 00:21:39.165
<00:21:38.605>where <00:21:38.731>you <00:21:38.857>have <00:21:38.983>it, <00:21:39.109>right?

557
00:21:39.165 --> 00:21:41.885
<00:21:39.165>If <00:21:39.320>you <00:21:39.476>question <00:21:39.631>it, <00:21:39.787>you <00:21:39.942>will <00:21:40.098>always <00:21:40.253>be <00:21:40.409>better <00:21:40.565>off

558
00:21:42.075 --> 00:21:43.365
<00:21:42.075>than <00:21:42.462>just <00:21:42.849>okay, <00:21:43.236>works.

559
00:21:43.695 --> 00:21:44.695
<00:21:43.695>Let's <00:21:43.995>move <00:21:44.294>on. <00:21:44.595>Yeah,

560
00:21:45.505 --> 00:21:46.505
<00:21:45.505>No, <00:21:45.730>definitely. <00:21:45.955>And <00:21:46.180>I, <00:21:46.405>and

561
00:21:46.505 --> 00:21:47.645
<00:21:46.505>I <00:21:46.710>think <00:21:46.915>that <00:21:47.120>it's, <00:21:47.325>it's <00:21:47.531>interesting

562
00:21:47.725 --> 00:21:49.165
<00:21:47.725>'cause <00:21:47.842>we <00:21:47.960>have <00:21:48.078>actually <00:21:48.196>got <00:21:48.314>a <00:21:48.431>link <00:21:48.549>coming <00:21:48.667>up <00:21:48.785>in <00:21:48.903>a <00:21:49.021>minute,

563
00:21:49.165 --> 00:21:50.485
<00:21:49.165>which <00:21:49.402>sort <00:21:49.640>of <00:21:49.877>taps <00:21:50.115>into <00:21:50.352>this.

564
00:21:50.485 --> 00:21:52.285
<00:21:50.485>And <00:21:50.625>I <00:21:50.764>was <00:21:50.905>thinking <00:21:51.044>about <00:21:51.185>it <00:21:51.324>a <00:21:51.465>a <00:21:51.604>lot <00:21:51.745>last <00:21:51.885>night

565
00:21:52.285 --> 00:21:54.365
<00:21:52.285>because <00:21:52.518>one <00:21:52.751>of <00:21:52.985>the, <00:21:53.218>um, <00:21:53.451>news <00:21:53.685>stories,

566
00:21:54.385 --> 00:21:56.205
<00:21:54.385>and <00:21:54.540>I <00:21:54.696>know, <00:21:54.851>um, <00:21:55.007>Chris, <00:21:55.162>we <00:21:55.318>we're <00:21:55.473>already <00:21:55.629>asking <00:21:55.785>Chris

567
00:21:56.205 --> 00:21:58.445
<00:21:56.205>to <00:21:56.405>multitask <00:21:56.605>here, <00:21:56.804>fixing <00:21:57.004>microphones <00:21:57.205>and <00:21:57.405>taking <00:21:57.605>links,

568
00:21:58.445 --> 00:22:00.725
<00:21:58.445>but <00:21:58.620>the, <00:21:58.794>uh, <00:21:58.970>English <00:21:59.145>will <00:21:59.320>become <00:21:59.495>the <00:21:59.669>most, <00:21:59.845>uh,

569
00:22:00.845 --> 00:22:02.525
<00:22:00.845>popular <00:22:01.125>development <00:22:01.405>language <00:22:01.685>in <00:22:01.965>six <00:22:02.245>years.

570
00:22:03.085 --> 00:22:04.605
<00:22:03.085>I <00:22:03.280>thought <00:22:03.475>that <00:22:03.671>was, <00:22:03.866>that <00:22:04.062>was <00:22:04.257>a <00:22:04.453>really

571
00:22:04.845 --> 00:22:05.885
<00:22:04.845>interesting <00:22:04.962>one. <00:22:05.079>We'll <00:22:05.196>just <00:22:05.313>see <00:22:05.430>if <00:22:05.547>we <00:22:05.664>can, <00:22:05.781>um,

572
00:22:06.105 --> 00:22:07.105
<00:22:06.105>It <00:22:06.330>is <00:22:06.555>not <00:22:06.780>right <00:22:07.005>now.

573
00:22:07.115 --> 00:22:09.245
<00:22:07.115>What <00:22:07.270>is <00:22:07.426>the <00:22:07.581>most, <00:22:07.737>yeah, <00:22:07.892>what <00:22:08.048>do <00:22:08.203>you <00:22:08.359>mean <00:22:08.515>mean?

574
00:22:09.425 --> 00:22:12.525
<00:22:09.425>Oh, <00:22:09.625>you <00:22:09.825>mean <00:22:10.024>in <00:22:10.225>context? <00:22:10.425>Uh, <00:22:10.625>oh, <00:22:10.825>mm.

575
00:22:13.905 --> 00:22:15.565
<00:22:13.905>And <00:22:14.080>I, <00:22:14.254>I, <00:22:14.430>what <00:22:14.605>do <00:22:14.780>you <00:22:14.955>think <00:22:15.129>about <00:22:15.305>that?

576
00:22:16.295 --> 00:22:18.005
<00:22:16.295>Aside <00:22:16.528>from <00:22:16.761>it <00:22:16.995>being <00:22:17.228>English, <00:22:17.461>let's <00:22:17.695>ignore

577
00:22:18.005 --> 00:22:19.045
<00:22:18.005>that <00:22:18.239>I <00:22:18.473>am <00:22:18.707>English, <00:22:18.941>right?

578
00:22:19.105 --> 00:22:21.285
<00:22:19.105>So <00:22:19.232>maybe <00:22:19.359>it's <00:22:19.486>gonna, <00:22:19.614>or <00:22:19.741>I'm <00:22:19.868>British, <00:22:19.995>you <00:22:20.123>know, <00:22:20.250>it <00:22:20.377>might, <00:22:20.505>uh,

579
00:22:21.545 --> 00:22:23.645
<00:22:21.545>I'm <00:22:21.745>probably <00:22:21.945>biased, <00:22:22.145>but <00:22:22.345>ignore <00:22:22.545>the <00:22:22.745>actual <00:22:22.945>language.

580
00:22:23.645 --> 00:22:25.685
<00:22:23.645>We <00:22:23.800>can <00:22:23.956>talk <00:22:24.111>about <00:22:24.267>that. <00:22:24.422>But <00:22:24.578>what <00:22:24.733>about <00:22:24.889>the <00:22:25.045>idea

581
00:22:25.685 --> 00:22:27.805
<00:22:25.685>of <00:22:25.840>it <00:22:25.996>just <00:22:26.151>being <00:22:26.307>like, <00:22:26.462>they're <00:22:26.618>saying <00:22:26.773>here <00:22:26.929>everything <00:22:27.085>is

582
00:22:27.805 --> 00:22:31.085
<00:22:27.805>just <00:22:28.038>natural <00:22:28.271>language, <00:22:28.505>there's <00:22:28.738>almost <00:22:28.971>no <00:22:29.205>need

583
00:22:31.085 --> 00:22:32.685
<00:22:31.085>for <00:22:31.365>technical <00:22:31.645>language <00:22:31.925>at <00:22:32.205>that <00:22:32.485>point.

584
00:22:32.905 --> 00:22:34.005
<00:22:32.905>Is <00:22:33.046>that <00:22:33.187>a <00:22:33.329>good <00:22:33.470>or <00:22:33.612>a <00:22:33.753>bad <00:22:33.895>thing?

585
00:22:34.395 --> 00:22:38.035
<00:22:34.395>That <00:22:34.675>is <00:22:34.955>a <00:22:35.235>very <00:22:35.514>interesting <00:22:35.795>statement.

586
00:22:38.415 --> 00:22:39.875
<00:22:38.415>So <00:22:38.677>let <00:22:38.940>me <00:22:39.203>just <00:22:39.466>ramble <00:22:39.729>along

587
00:22:39.875 --> 00:22:42.635
<00:22:39.875>because <00:22:40.050>that, <00:22:40.225>I <00:22:40.400>haven't <00:22:40.575>thought <00:22:40.750>about <00:22:40.925>that <00:22:41.100>much <00:22:41.275>yet.

588
00:22:43.095 --> 00:22:47.545
<00:22:43.095>So <00:22:43.295>I <00:22:43.495>do <00:22:43.695>think <00:22:43.895>that <00:22:44.095>natural <00:22:44.295>language <00:22:44.495>might

589
00:22:48.095 --> 00:22:51.445
<00:22:48.095>kick <00:22:48.328>off, <00:22:48.561>but <00:22:48.795>I <00:22:49.028>am <00:22:49.261>or <00:22:49.495>may.

590
00:22:53.005 --> 00:22:55.545
<00:22:53.005>Nah, <00:22:53.132>no, <00:22:53.259>no. <00:22:53.386>I <00:22:53.514>I'm <00:22:53.641>too <00:22:53.768>much <00:22:53.895>of <00:22:54.023>Nah, <00:22:54.150>no, <00:22:54.277>nah. <00:22:54.405>Okay.

591
00:22:55.785 --> 00:22:59.465
<00:22:55.785>I, <00:22:55.925>I <00:22:56.065>would <00:22:56.205>say <00:22:56.345>people, <00:22:56.485>okay, <00:22:56.625>people <00:22:56.765>use <00:22:56.905>LMS <00:22:57.045>people <00:22:57.185>kind

592
00:22:59.465 --> 00:23:01.625
<00:22:59.465>of <00:22:59.745>program <00:23:00.024>maybe <00:23:00.304>in <00:23:00.584>natural <00:23:00.865>language,

593
00:23:02.085 --> 00:23:05.745
<00:23:02.085>but <00:23:02.260>for <00:23:02.435>anything <00:23:02.610>complicated, <00:23:02.785>um, <00:23:02.960>um, <00:23:03.135>you <00:23:03.310>still <00:23:03.485>have

594
00:23:05.745 --> 00:23:07.425
<00:23:05.745>to <00:23:05.900>write <00:23:06.056>code <00:23:06.211>or <00:23:06.367>you <00:23:06.522>still <00:23:06.678>have <00:23:06.833>to <00:23:06.989>use <00:23:07.145>code

595
00:23:07.425 --> 00:23:08.705
<00:23:07.425>or <00:23:07.655>you <00:23:07.885>have <00:23:08.116>to <00:23:08.346>debug <00:23:08.577>things.

596
00:23:08.965 --> 00:23:12.665
<00:23:08.965>In <00:23:09.092>my <00:23:09.219>experience, <00:23:09.346>the <00:23:09.474>things <00:23:09.601>that <00:23:09.728>I <00:23:09.855>get <00:23:09.983>for, <00:23:10.110>uh, <00:23:10.237>for <00:23:10.365>things

597
00:23:12.665 --> 00:23:16.305
<00:23:12.665>that <00:23:12.805>are <00:23:12.945>not <00:23:13.085>answered <00:23:13.225>10,000 <00:23:13.365>times <00:23:13.504>on <00:23:13.645>SEC <00:23:13.784>overflow, <00:23:13.925>I <00:23:14.065>have

598
00:23:16.625 --> 00:23:18.225
<00:23:16.625>to <00:23:16.975>write <00:23:17.325>actual <00:23:17.675>source <00:23:18.025>code

599
00:23:18.325 --> 00:23:20.265
<00:23:18.325>and <00:23:18.558>understand <00:23:18.791>what, <00:23:19.025>what <00:23:19.258>is <00:23:19.491>going <00:23:19.725>on.

600
00:23:20.365 --> 00:23:23.345
<00:23:20.365>So <00:23:20.565>maybe, <00:23:20.765>maybe <00:23:20.965>not, <00:23:21.165>but <00:23:21.365>what's <00:23:21.565>your <00:23:21.765>take?

601
00:23:24.505 --> 00:23:26.785
<00:23:24.505>I <00:23:24.632>mean, <00:23:24.759>I, <00:23:24.886>I, <00:23:25.014>I <00:23:25.141>had <00:23:25.268>this <00:23:25.395>example <00:23:25.523>on <00:23:25.650>the <00:23:25.777>weekend <00:23:25.905>actually.

602
00:23:26.785 --> 00:23:29.105
<00:23:26.785>I, <00:23:26.901>I <00:23:27.018>sort <00:23:27.135>of <00:23:27.251>posted <00:23:27.368>about <00:23:27.485>it <00:23:27.601>on <00:23:27.718>x <00:23:27.835>where, <00:23:27.951>um, <00:23:28.068>you <00:23:28.185>know,

603
00:23:29.845 --> 00:23:30.985
<00:23:29.845>I'm <00:23:29.991>like <00:23:30.138>a <00:23:30.284>lot <00:23:30.431>of <00:23:30.577>people, <00:23:30.724>I <00:23:30.870>sort

604
00:23:30.985 --> 00:23:33.825
<00:23:30.985>of <00:23:31.159>have <00:23:31.334>watched <00:23:31.510>Slack <00:23:31.685>overflow <00:23:31.860>struggle <00:23:32.034>to <00:23:32.209>adapt <00:23:32.385>and,

605
00:23:33.885 --> 00:23:35.665
<00:23:33.885>and, <00:23:34.235>uh, <00:23:34.585>find <00:23:34.935>myself <00:23:35.285>going

606
00:23:35.665 --> 00:23:36.785
<00:23:35.665>on <00:23:35.809>it, <00:23:35.953>like <00:23:36.097>sort <00:23:36.241>of <00:23:36.385>less <00:23:36.529>and <00:23:36.673>less.

607
00:23:36.885 --> 00:23:40.385
<00:23:36.885>And <00:23:37.012>then, <00:23:37.139>um, <00:23:37.266>I, <00:23:37.394>I <00:23:37.521>got <00:23:37.648>into <00:23:37.775>this <00:23:37.903>sort <00:23:38.030>of <00:23:38.157>frustrated <00:23:38.285>loop

608
00:23:40.385 --> 00:23:42.625
<00:23:40.385>with <00:23:40.501>the <00:23:40.618>LLM <00:23:40.735>where <00:23:40.851>it <00:23:40.968>was <00:23:41.085>kind <00:23:41.201>of <00:23:41.318>telling <00:23:41.435>me <00:23:41.551>it <00:23:41.668>was <00:23:41.785>right.

609
00:23:42.785 --> 00:23:44.025
<00:23:42.785>I <00:23:42.971>knew <00:23:43.157>it <00:23:43.343>was <00:23:43.529>wrong. <00:23:43.715>I <00:23:43.901>was

610
00:23:44.025 --> 00:23:45.120
<00:23:44.025>telling <00:23:44.222>it <00:23:44.419>what <00:23:44.616>to <00:23:44.813>correct, <00:23:45.010>correct.

611
00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:46.300
<00:23:45.120>And <00:23:45.271>it <00:23:45.423>was <00:23:45.575>giving <00:23:45.726>me <00:23:45.878>the <00:23:46.030>same <00:23:46.182>code

612
00:23:46.300 --> 00:23:48.685
<00:23:46.300>that <00:23:46.427>it <00:23:46.554>had <00:23:46.681>given <00:23:46.809>me <00:23:46.936>the <00:23:47.063>first <00:23:47.190>time <00:23:47.318>telling <00:23:47.445>me <00:23:47.572>it's <00:23:47.700>correct

613
00:23:48.785 --> 00:23:50.685
<00:23:48.785>and <00:23:48.892>acting <00:23:49.000>as <00:23:49.108>if <00:23:49.215>it <00:23:49.323>was <00:23:49.431>the <00:23:49.538>first <00:23:49.646>time <00:23:49.754>it <00:23:49.861>had <00:23:49.969>given <00:23:50.077>me <00:23:50.185>it.

614
00:23:50.945 --> 00:23:52.045
<00:23:50.945>And <00:23:51.143>I <00:23:51.341>ended <00:23:51.539>up, <00:23:51.737>you <00:23:51.935>know,

615
00:23:52.785 --> 00:23:54.205
<00:23:52.785>it <00:23:52.944>felt <00:23:53.104>like <00:23:53.264>I <00:23:53.424>was <00:23:53.583>stepping <00:23:53.743>back <00:23:53.903>in <00:23:54.062>time.

616
00:23:54.405 --> 00:23:55.925
<00:23:54.405>'cause <00:23:54.541>I <00:23:54.678>went <00:23:54.815>on <00:23:54.952>to <00:23:55.089>search <00:23:55.225>and <00:23:55.362>I <00:23:55.499>searched <00:23:55.636>for <00:23:55.773>it

617
00:23:55.925 --> 00:23:58.165
<00:23:55.925>and <00:23:56.065>I <00:23:56.205>found <00:23:56.345>this, <00:23:56.485>you <00:23:56.625>know, <00:23:56.764>like <00:23:56.905>usually <00:23:57.044>it's <00:23:57.185>a <00:23:57.325>thread,

618
00:23:58.165 --> 00:23:59.685
<00:23:58.165>isn't <00:23:58.336>it, <00:23:58.507>on <00:23:58.678>Slack <00:23:58.849>overflow <00:23:59.020>from <00:23:59.191>five <00:23:59.361>years <00:23:59.533>ago.

619
00:23:59.825 --> 00:24:02.685
<00:23:59.825>And <00:24:00.000>the <00:24:00.175>correct <00:24:00.350>answer <00:24:00.525>is <00:24:00.700>not <00:24:00.875>always <00:24:01.050>the <00:24:01.225>one

620
00:24:02.685 --> 00:24:04.685
<00:24:02.685>that's <00:24:02.885>actually <00:24:03.085>been <00:24:03.284>accepted <00:24:03.485>as <00:24:03.685>the <00:24:03.885>correct <00:24:04.085>answer.

621
00:24:04.825 --> 00:24:07.485
<00:24:04.825>But <00:24:04.952>I <00:24:05.079>found <00:24:05.206>it <00:24:05.334>and <00:24:05.461>it <00:24:05.588>made <00:24:05.715>me <00:24:05.843>think, <00:24:05.970>do <00:24:06.097>you <00:24:06.225>know

622
00:24:07.485 --> 00:24:10.715
<00:24:07.485>what <00:24:07.718>there's, <00:24:07.951>there's, <00:24:08.185>aside <00:24:08.418>from <00:24:08.651>the <00:24:08.885>understanding

623
00:24:10.775 --> 00:24:12.555
<00:24:10.775>of <00:24:10.975>the <00:24:11.175>LLM <00:24:11.375>and <00:24:11.575>it <00:24:11.775>actually <00:24:11.975>figuring <00:24:12.175>out

624
00:24:12.555 --> 00:24:14.075
<00:24:12.555>that <00:24:12.726>it <00:24:12.897>was <00:24:13.068>wrong, <00:24:13.239>that <00:24:13.410>was <00:24:13.581>a <00:24:13.752>separate <00:24:13.923>point.

625
00:24:14.735 --> 00:24:16.035
<00:24:14.735>The, <00:24:15.125>the <00:24:15.515>search <00:24:15.905>terms

626
00:24:16.055 --> 00:24:17.715
<00:24:16.055>and <00:24:16.230>the <00:24:16.405>way <00:24:16.580>I <00:24:16.755>searched <00:24:16.930>for <00:24:17.105>it <00:24:17.280>to <00:24:17.455>find

627
00:24:17.715 --> 00:24:20.155
<00:24:17.715>that <00:24:17.948>very <00:24:18.181>specific <00:24:18.415>thing <00:24:18.648>on <00:24:18.881>Stack <00:24:19.115>overflow,

628
00:24:20.415 --> 00:24:22.515
<00:24:20.415>it <00:24:20.555>felt <00:24:20.695>like <00:24:20.835>I <00:24:20.975>found <00:24:21.115>a <00:24:21.254>little <00:24:21.395>corner <00:24:21.534>of <00:24:21.675>the <00:24:21.815>internet

629
00:24:22.585 --> 00:24:24.995
<00:24:22.585>that <00:24:22.818>the <00:24:23.051>LLMs <00:24:23.285>don't <00:24:23.518>really <00:24:23.751>care <00:24:23.985>about

630
00:24:24.995 --> 00:24:27.515
<00:24:24.995>because <00:24:25.150>it's <00:24:25.306>not, <00:24:25.461>um, <00:24:25.617>it, <00:24:25.772>it's <00:24:25.928>out <00:24:26.083>of <00:24:26.239>the <00:24:26.395>average.

631
00:24:28.215 --> 00:24:29.595
<00:24:28.215>Do <00:24:28.339>you <00:24:28.463>see <00:24:28.587>what <00:24:28.711>I'm, <00:24:28.836>do <00:24:28.960>you <00:24:29.084>see <00:24:29.208>what <00:24:29.332>I'm <00:24:29.457>saying?

632
00:24:29.595 --> 00:24:30.915
<00:24:29.595>That <00:24:29.892>they <00:24:30.189>go <00:24:30.485>for <00:24:30.783>the,

633
00:24:31.015 --> 00:24:32.955
<00:24:31.015>the <00:24:31.248>common <00:24:31.481>repeatable <00:24:31.715>things <00:24:31.948>it <00:24:32.181>seems <00:24:32.415>like,

634
00:24:33.175 --> 00:24:35.355
<00:24:33.175>and <00:24:33.375>that <00:24:33.575>might <00:24:33.774>just <00:24:33.975>start <00:24:34.175>with <00:24:34.375>like <00:24:34.575>documentation

635
00:24:35.375 --> 00:24:37.795
<00:24:35.375>for <00:24:35.491>next <00:24:35.608>js, <00:24:35.725>which <00:24:35.841>was <00:24:35.958>where <00:24:36.075>it <00:24:36.191>seemed <00:24:36.308>to <00:24:36.425>be <00:24:36.541>finding <00:24:36.658>a <00:24:36.775>lot

636
00:24:37.795 --> 00:24:38.835
<00:24:37.795>of <00:24:37.982>the <00:24:38.169>information <00:24:38.356>it's <00:24:38.543>giving <00:24:38.731>me,

637
00:24:38.835 --> 00:24:41.995
<00:24:38.835>whereas <00:24:39.010>this <00:24:39.185>Stack <00:24:39.360>overflow <00:24:39.535>post <00:24:39.710>wasn't <00:24:39.885>interesting <00:24:40.060>to <00:24:40.235>it.

638
00:24:42.095 --> 00:24:44.875
<00:24:42.095>So <00:24:42.295>I'm, <00:24:42.495>uh, <00:24:42.695>I'm <00:24:42.895>not, <00:24:43.095>I'm <00:24:43.295>not <00:24:43.495>sure.

639
00:24:45.115 --> 00:24:47.675
<00:24:45.115>I <00:24:45.242>think <00:24:45.369>what <00:24:45.496>do <00:24:45.624>you <00:24:45.751>feel <00:24:45.878>about <00:24:46.005>the <00:24:46.133>idea <00:24:46.260>of <00:24:46.387>this <00:24:46.515>sort

640
00:24:47.675 --> 00:24:48.755
<00:24:47.675>of <00:24:47.999>post <00:24:48.323>code <00:24:48.647>world?

641
00:24:48.955 --> 00:24:50.395
<00:24:48.955>'cause <00:24:49.117>this <00:24:49.279>is <00:24:49.441>what <00:24:49.603>this <00:24:49.764>is <00:24:49.927>tapping <00:24:50.089>into, <00:24:50.251>right?

642
00:24:50.775 --> 00:24:53.275
<00:24:50.775>The <00:24:50.915>world <00:24:51.055>went, <00:24:51.195>are <00:24:51.335>we, <00:24:51.475>are <00:24:51.615>we <00:24:51.755>holding <00:24:51.895>onto <00:24:52.035>the <00:24:52.175>idea

643
00:24:53.275 --> 00:24:54.515
<00:24:53.275>that <00:24:53.461>we <00:24:53.647>actually <00:24:53.833>need <00:24:54.019>to <00:24:54.205>write <00:24:54.391>code?

644
00:24:55.805 --> 00:24:57.855
<00:24:55.805>Well, <00:24:56.155>again, <00:24:56.505>it's <00:24:56.855>a, <00:24:57.205>it's,

645
00:24:57.885 --> 00:25:00.055
<00:24:57.885>it's <00:24:58.118>us <00:24:58.351>writing <00:24:58.585>code <00:24:58.818>for <00:24:59.051>living, <00:24:59.285>right?

646
00:25:00.055 --> 00:25:01.255
<00:25:00.055>Of <00:25:00.271>course <00:25:00.487>we're <00:25:00.703>holding <00:25:00.919>onto <00:25:01.135>it.

647
00:25:02.395 --> 00:25:05.895
<00:25:02.395>And, <00:25:02.535>and <00:25:02.675>I <00:25:02.815>will <00:25:02.955>hold <00:25:03.095>onto <00:25:03.235>it <00:25:03.375>until <00:25:03.514>I've <00:25:03.655>proven <00:25:03.795>otherwise.

648
00:25:06.395 --> 00:25:07.575
<00:25:06.395>So <00:25:06.660>far <00:25:06.926>this <00:25:07.191>hasn't <00:25:07.457>happened.

649
00:25:07.995 --> 00:25:09.495
<00:25:07.995>Um, <00:25:08.219>but <00:25:08.445>actually <00:25:08.669>on <00:25:08.895>the <00:25:09.120>same <00:25:09.344>topic,

650
00:25:09.655 --> 00:25:11.935
<00:25:09.655>I <00:25:09.855>read <00:25:10.055>a <00:25:10.254>blog <00:25:10.455>post <00:25:10.655>yesterday, <00:25:10.855>something, <00:25:11.055>uh,

651
00:25:12.075 --> 00:25:14.415
<00:25:12.075>or <00:25:12.355>yesterday <00:25:12.635>that <00:25:12.915>was <00:25:13.195>like, <00:25:13.475>yeah,

652
00:25:14.555 --> 00:25:17.975
<00:25:14.555>use <00:25:14.695>the <00:25:14.835>AI <00:25:14.975>stuff <00:25:15.115>if <00:25:15.255>you <00:25:15.395>want <00:25:15.535>to <00:25:15.675>feed <00:25:15.815>it <00:25:15.955>stuff

653
00:25:18.055 --> 00:25:19.655
<00:25:18.055>and <00:25:18.288>make <00:25:18.521>it <00:25:18.755>shorter <00:25:18.988>or <00:25:19.221>condense <00:25:19.455>stuff

654
00:25:19.995 --> 00:25:22.295
<00:25:19.995>or <00:25:20.169>change <00:25:20.344>stuff <00:25:20.520>with <00:25:20.695>the <00:25:20.870>same <00:25:21.044>amount <00:25:21.219>of <00:25:21.395>length.

655
00:25:22.295 --> 00:25:24.735
<00:25:22.295>Something <00:25:22.528>like <00:25:22.761>that <00:25:22.995>for <00:25:23.228>manipulation <00:25:23.461>and <00:25:23.695>summaries.

656
00:25:24.735 --> 00:25:26.295
<00:25:24.735>And <00:25:24.935>that's <00:25:25.135>what, <00:25:25.334>that's <00:25:25.534>what <00:25:25.735>it's <00:25:25.935>great <00:25:26.135>for.

657
00:25:26.595 --> 00:25:28.335
<00:25:26.595>And <00:25:26.770>I <00:25:26.945>think <00:25:27.120>that <00:25:27.295>was <00:25:27.470>a <00:25:27.645>very <00:25:27.820>interesting <00:25:27.995>take

658
00:25:28.405 --> 00:25:31.695
<00:25:28.405>because <00:25:28.560>these <00:25:28.716>are <00:25:28.871>exactly <00:25:29.027>these <00:25:29.182>scenarios <00:25:29.338>that <00:25:29.493>I <00:25:29.649>can <00:25:29.805>say,

659
00:25:31.695 --> 00:25:33.775
<00:25:31.695>this <00:25:31.928>works <00:25:32.161>great <00:25:32.395>if <00:25:32.628>I <00:25:32.861>maybe <00:25:33.095>want

660
00:25:33.775 --> 00:25:35.455
<00:25:33.775>to <00:25:34.008>even <00:25:34.241>refactor <00:25:34.475>some <00:25:34.708>code <00:25:34.941>or <00:25:35.175>something.

661
00:25:35.485 --> 00:25:38.775
<00:25:35.485>This <00:25:35.612>is <00:25:35.739>cool. <00:25:35.866>But <00:25:35.994>I <00:25:36.121>cannot <00:25:36.248>just, <00:25:36.375>in <00:25:36.503>my <00:25:36.630>experience <00:25:36.757>at <00:25:36.885>least,

662
00:25:38.775 --> 00:25:42.735
<00:25:38.775>I <00:25:38.950>cannot <00:25:39.125>just <00:25:39.300>go <00:25:39.475>into <00:25:39.650>a <00:25:39.825>English <00:25:40.000>code <00:25:40.175>editor

663
00:25:43.475 --> 00:25:45.775
<00:25:43.475>and <00:25:43.649>say, <00:25:43.824>build <00:25:44.000>me <00:25:44.175>this <00:25:44.350>and <00:25:44.524>start <00:25:44.699>from <00:25:44.875>zero

664
00:25:45.915 --> 00:25:49.135
<00:25:45.915>and <00:25:46.090>get <00:25:46.264>tremendously <00:25:46.440>more <00:25:46.615>output <00:25:46.790>than <00:25:46.965>I <00:25:47.139>put <00:25:47.315>in,

665
00:25:49.245 --> 00:25:50.695
<00:25:49.245>because <00:25:49.571>that <00:25:49.897>usually <00:25:50.223>doesn't <00:25:50.550>work.

666
00:25:50.835 --> 00:25:52.295
<00:25:50.835>So <00:25:51.097>I'm, <00:25:51.360>so <00:25:51.623>I'm, <00:25:51.886>yeah, <00:25:52.149>Dan,

667
00:25:52.295 --> 00:25:54.015
<00:25:52.295>I'm <00:25:52.575>skeptical <00:25:52.855>about <00:25:53.135>the <00:25:53.415>English <00:25:53.695>take,

668
00:25:54.275 --> 00:25:55.575
<00:25:54.275>but <00:25:54.470>ask <00:25:54.665>me <00:25:54.860>again <00:25:55.055>in <00:25:55.250>two <00:25:55.445>years.

669
00:25:56.525 --> 00:25:58.855
<00:25:56.525>Yeah, <00:25:56.652>yeah. <00:25:56.779>I <00:25:56.906>mean <00:25:57.034>I, <00:25:57.161>I <00:25:57.288>was <00:25:57.415>interested <00:25:57.543>in <00:25:57.670>it <00:25:57.797>just <00:25:57.925>seeing,

670
00:25:58.855 --> 00:26:01.055
<00:25:58.855>you <00:25:59.010>know, <00:25:59.166>we <00:25:59.321>obviously <00:25:59.477>know <00:25:59.632>English <00:25:59.788>being <00:25:59.943>the <00:26:00.099>sort <00:26:00.255>of,

671
00:26:01.055 --> 00:26:02.695
<00:26:01.055>you <00:26:01.288>know, <00:26:01.521>dominant <00:26:01.755>language <00:26:01.988>used <00:26:02.221>in <00:26:02.455>business

672
00:26:02.695 --> 00:26:05.455
<00:26:02.695>and <00:26:02.822>things <00:26:02.949>like <00:26:03.076>this, <00:26:03.204>but, <00:26:03.331>um, <00:26:03.458>yeah, <00:26:03.585>I'm <00:26:03.713>not, <00:26:03.840>I'm <00:26:03.967>not <00:26:04.095>sure.

673
00:26:05.695 --> 00:26:06.935
<00:26:05.695>'cause <00:26:05.918>I <00:26:06.141>wonder <00:26:06.364>if <00:26:06.587>there's <00:26:06.811>something

674
00:26:06.935 --> 00:26:09.095
<00:26:06.935>that <00:26:07.075>you <00:26:07.215>might <00:26:07.355>lose <00:26:07.495>from <00:26:07.635>only <00:26:07.774>being <00:26:07.915>able <00:26:08.054>to <00:26:08.195>communicate <00:26:08.335>in

675
00:26:09.095 --> 00:26:10.455
<00:26:09.095>that <00:26:09.339>language <00:26:09.584>if <00:26:09.829>that's <00:26:10.074>the <00:26:10.319>case.

676
00:26:10.715 --> 00:26:12.735
<00:26:10.715>You <00:26:10.889>know, <00:26:11.064>I, <00:26:11.240>I <00:26:11.415>was <00:26:11.590>sort <00:26:11.764>of, <00:26:11.939>wasn't <00:26:12.115>sure,

677
00:26:12.795 --> 00:26:15.255
<00:26:12.795>and <00:26:12.895>I <00:26:12.995>know <00:26:13.095>we'll <00:26:13.195>move <00:26:13.295>on, <00:26:13.395>but <00:26:13.495>I <00:26:13.595>wasn't <00:26:13.695>sure <00:26:13.795>if <00:26:13.895>it <00:26:13.995>was <00:26:14.095>more <00:26:14.195>a

678
00:26:15.255 --> 00:26:18.135
<00:26:15.255>point <00:26:15.430>about <00:26:15.605>natural <00:26:15.780>language <00:26:15.955>being <00:26:16.130>the, <00:26:16.305>the, <00:26:16.480>the <00:26:16.655>sort

679
00:26:18.135 --> 00:26:19.495
<00:26:18.135>of <00:26:18.288>the <00:26:18.441>thing <00:26:18.594>that <00:26:18.746>we <00:26:18.899>use <00:26:19.053>in <00:26:19.206>the <00:26:19.359>future,

680
00:26:20.075 --> 00:26:22.095
<00:26:20.075>or <00:26:20.541>specifically <00:26:21.008>being <00:26:21.475>English

681
00:26:22.095 --> 00:26:24.055
<00:26:22.095>because <00:26:22.295>of <00:26:22.495>this <00:26:22.695>sort <00:26:22.895>of <00:26:23.095>dominant <00:26:23.295>language. <00:26:23.495>But,

682
00:26:24.055 --> 00:26:26.855
<00:26:24.055>Um, <00:26:24.195>I <00:26:24.335>mean, <00:26:24.475>I <00:26:24.615>mean <00:26:24.755>there's <00:26:24.895>also <00:26:25.035>maybe <00:26:25.175>another <00:26:25.315>take <00:26:25.455>on

683
00:26:26.855 --> 00:26:28.455
<00:26:26.855>this, <00:26:27.135>which <00:26:27.415>is <00:26:27.695>just <00:26:27.975>efficiency, <00:26:28.255>right?

684
00:26:28.455 --> 00:26:30.135
<00:26:28.455>Natural <00:26:28.804>language <00:26:29.155>is <00:26:29.504>pretty <00:26:29.855>verbose.

685
00:26:30.615 --> 00:26:31.935
<00:26:30.615>I <00:26:30.912>can <00:26:31.209>write <00:26:31.505>a <00:26:31.803>loop

686
00:26:32.635 --> 00:26:34.855
<00:26:32.635>and <00:26:32.810>some <00:26:32.985>functions <00:26:33.160>very, <00:26:33.335>very <00:26:33.510>quickly <00:26:33.685>if <00:26:33.860>I <00:26:34.035>have

687
00:26:34.855 --> 00:26:36.295
<00:26:34.855>to <00:26:35.114>put <00:26:35.373>these <00:26:35.632>in <00:26:35.891>natural <00:26:36.151>language.

688
00:26:36.365 --> 00:26:39.535
<00:26:36.365>Because <00:26:36.520>to <00:26:36.676>be <00:26:36.831>fair, <00:26:36.987>again, <00:26:37.142>in <00:26:37.298>my <00:26:37.453>experience <00:26:37.609>to <00:26:37.765>kind

689
00:26:39.535 --> 00:26:42.535
<00:26:39.535>of <00:26:39.662>get <00:26:39.789>good <00:26:39.916>source <00:26:40.044>code, <00:26:40.171>I <00:26:40.298>have <00:26:40.425>to <00:26:40.553>write <00:26:40.680>an <00:26:40.807>essay, <00:26:40.935>right?

690
00:26:42.685 --> 00:26:45.205
<00:26:42.685>Like, <00:26:42.812>yeah, <00:26:42.939>I <00:26:43.066>beat <00:26:43.194>this <00:26:43.321>and <00:26:43.448>it <00:26:43.575>has <00:26:43.703>to <00:26:43.830>work <00:26:43.957>with <00:26:44.085>this

691
00:26:45.205 --> 00:26:46.285
<00:26:45.205>and <00:26:45.399>this <00:26:45.593>and <00:26:45.788>this <00:26:45.982>and <00:26:46.177>this.

692
00:26:46.745 --> 00:26:48.245
<00:26:46.745>And <00:26:46.937>very <00:26:47.130>often <00:26:47.323>I <00:26:47.516>was <00:26:47.709>like, <00:26:47.902>I <00:26:48.094>don't,

693
00:26:48.245 --> 00:26:49.725
<00:26:48.245>but <00:26:48.466>maybe <00:26:48.688>I'm <00:26:48.910>also <00:26:49.132>not <00:26:49.355>trained <00:26:49.577>enough

694
00:26:49.985 --> 00:26:52.445
<00:26:49.985>or <00:26:50.185>not <00:26:50.385>skilled <00:26:50.584>enough <00:26:50.784>to <00:26:50.985>really <00:26:51.185>quickly <00:26:51.385>type

695
00:26:52.445 --> 00:26:53.565
<00:26:52.445>that <00:26:52.949>out, <00:26:53.453>right?

696
00:26:53.625 --> 00:26:55.125
<00:26:53.625>But <00:26:54.075>defining <00:26:54.525>five <00:26:54.975>functions

697
00:26:55.125 --> 00:26:57.205
<00:26:55.125>and <00:26:55.252>gluing <00:26:55.379>them <00:26:55.506>together <00:26:55.634>is <00:26:55.761>not <00:26:55.888>a <00:26:56.015>lot <00:26:56.143>of <00:26:56.270>work <00:26:56.397>for <00:26:56.525>me.

698
00:26:57.305 --> 00:27:01.965
<00:26:57.305>Coming <00:26:57.445>up <00:26:57.585>with <00:26:57.725>a <00:26:57.865>good <00:26:58.005>prompt <00:26:58.145>might <00:26:58.285>take <00:26:58.425>a <00:26:58.565>little <00:26:58.705>bit.

699
00:27:01.965 --> 00:27:03.725
<00:27:01.965>Good <00:27:02.165>point. <00:27:02.365>That <00:27:02.564>is <00:27:02.764>a <00:27:02.965>really <00:27:03.165>good <00:27:03.365>point.

700
00:27:03.725 --> 00:27:05.085
<00:27:03.725>You <00:27:03.860>know, <00:27:03.996>I <00:27:04.133>think <00:27:04.269>there's <00:27:04.405>something <00:27:04.541>to <00:27:04.677>be <00:27:04.813>said <00:27:04.949>about

701
00:27:05.145 --> 00:27:07.405
<00:27:05.145>how <00:27:05.425>we <00:27:05.705>think <00:27:05.985>and <00:27:06.264>yeah, <00:27:06.545>perhaps

702
00:27:07.405 --> 00:27:09.125
<00:27:07.405>that <00:27:07.685>actually <00:27:07.965>writing <00:27:08.245>something <00:27:08.524>in <00:27:08.805>code,

703
00:27:09.625 --> 00:27:11.885
<00:27:09.625>it <00:27:09.800>can <00:27:09.975>more <00:27:10.150>closely <00:27:10.325>sort <00:27:10.500>of <00:27:10.675>re <00:27:10.850>relate <00:27:11.025>to

704
00:27:11.905 --> 00:27:13.205
<00:27:11.905>how <00:27:12.139>you <00:27:12.373>thought <00:27:12.607>about <00:27:12.841>that <00:27:13.074>thing,

705
00:27:13.265 --> 00:27:14.885
<00:27:13.265>rather <00:27:13.440>than <00:27:13.615>having <00:27:13.790>to <00:27:13.965>put <00:27:14.140>it <00:27:14.315>into <00:27:14.490>an <00:27:14.665>essay.

706
00:27:14.885 --> 00:27:15.805
<00:27:14.885>That's, <00:27:15.050>that's <00:27:15.216>a <00:27:15.381>really <00:27:15.547>interesting <00:27:15.713>point.

707
00:27:16.145 --> 00:27:17.045
<00:27:16.145>Um, <00:27:16.415>we'll <00:27:16.685>move <00:27:16.955>on.

708
00:27:17.165 --> 00:27:18.605
<00:27:17.165>'cause <00:27:17.424>there <00:27:17.683>was, <00:27:17.942>um, <00:27:18.201>and <00:27:18.461>I'm,

709
00:27:18.605 --> 00:27:20.525
<00:27:18.605>I <00:27:18.745>know <00:27:18.885>Chris <00:27:19.025>is <00:27:19.165>in <00:27:19.305>the <00:27:19.445>background <00:27:19.585>trying <00:27:19.725>to <00:27:19.865>fix, <00:27:20.005>um,

710
00:27:20.695 --> 00:27:21.805
<00:27:20.695>sound <00:27:21.028>issues, <00:27:21.361>et <00:27:21.694>cetera.

711
00:27:22.065 --> 00:27:24.765
<00:27:22.065>Um, <00:27:22.240>but <00:27:22.415>we'll <00:27:22.590>move <00:27:22.765>on <00:27:22.940>just <00:27:23.115>to <00:27:23.290>the, <00:27:23.465>uh,

712
00:27:25.025 --> 00:27:27.485
<00:27:25.025>the <00:27:25.225>next <00:27:25.425>one <00:27:25.625>we've <00:27:25.825>got <00:27:26.025>about <00:27:26.225>the <00:27:26.425>accessibility,

713
00:27:27.485 --> 00:27:29.725
<00:27:27.485>accessibility <00:27:27.834>essentials. <00:27:28.185>Every <00:27:28.534>frontend <00:27:28.885>desk

714
00:27:29.945 --> 00:27:30.965
<00:27:29.945>Should <00:27:30.251>be <00:27:30.557>available <00:27:30.862>again.

715
00:27:30.985 --> 00:27:32.205
<00:27:30.985>Can <00:27:31.259>you <00:27:31.533>hear <00:27:31.808>me? <00:27:32.082>Woo.

716
00:27:32.265 --> 00:27:34.765
<00:27:32.265>Ah, <00:27:32.965>Yay. <00:27:33.665>Cool.

717
00:27:34.865 --> 00:27:37.045
<00:27:34.865>So <00:27:35.040>I'm <00:27:35.215>now <00:27:35.390>using <00:27:35.565>two <00:27:35.740>laptops <00:27:35.915>for <00:27:36.090>different <00:27:36.265>things,

718
00:27:37.105 --> 00:27:38.325
<00:27:37.105>so <00:27:37.471>I <00:27:37.837>just <00:27:38.203>realized

719
00:27:38.485 --> 00:27:40.285
<00:27:38.485>that <00:27:38.718>taking <00:27:38.951>cables <00:27:39.185>out <00:27:39.418>while <00:27:39.651>you're <00:27:39.885>doing

720
00:27:40.285 --> 00:27:41.605
<00:27:40.285>things, <00:27:40.582>not <00:27:40.879>a <00:27:41.176>good <00:27:41.473>idea.

721
00:27:42.625 --> 00:27:45.925
<00:27:42.625>Um, <00:27:42.752>okay, <00:27:42.879>so <00:27:43.006>next <00:27:43.134>one <00:27:43.261>that <00:27:43.388>we're <00:27:43.515>going <00:27:43.643>through, <00:27:43.770>I <00:27:43.897>saw <00:27:44.025>that,

722
00:27:46.005 --> 00:27:48.045
<00:27:46.005>I <00:27:46.160>heard <00:27:46.316>a <00:27:46.471>discussion, <00:27:46.627>uh, <00:27:46.782>I <00:27:46.938>pointed <00:27:47.093>out <00:27:47.249>as <00:27:47.405>well.

723
00:27:48.405 --> 00:27:49.445
<00:27:48.405>I <00:27:48.639>mean, <00:27:48.873>uh, <00:27:49.107>uh, <00:27:49.341>uh,

724
00:27:49.675 --> 00:27:51.645
<00:27:49.675>Dion <00:27:49.850>is <00:27:50.024>basically <00:27:50.200>a <00:27:50.375>guy <00:27:50.550>I <00:27:50.725>know <00:27:50.899>for <00:27:51.075>years.

725
00:27:51.755 --> 00:27:53.125
<00:27:51.755>He's <00:27:52.063>worked <00:27:52.371>on <00:27:52.679>like <00:27:52.988>Chrome.

726
00:27:53.125 --> 00:27:55.965
<00:27:53.125>He <00:27:53.280>worked <00:27:53.436>on, <00:27:53.591>uh, <00:27:53.747>I <00:27:53.902>worked <00:27:54.058>on <00:27:54.213>all <00:27:54.369>different <00:27:54.525>kind

727
00:27:55.965 --> 00:27:57.445
<00:27:55.965>of <00:27:56.298>Mozilla <00:27:56.630>things <00:27:56.964>as <00:27:57.297>well.

728
00:27:57.865 --> 00:28:00.045
<00:27:57.865>So <00:27:58.020>I <00:27:58.176>think <00:27:58.331>the <00:27:58.487>idea <00:27:58.642>of <00:27:58.798>him <00:27:58.953>is <00:27:59.109>like, <00:27:59.265>uh,

729
00:28:00.075 --> 00:28:02.845
<00:28:00.075>it's <00:28:00.215>gonna <00:28:00.355>be <00:28:00.495>talking <00:28:00.635>to <00:28:00.775>your <00:28:00.915>computer <00:28:01.055>first <00:28:01.195>to <00:28:01.335>build <00:28:01.475>code,

730
00:28:03.465 --> 00:28:05.845
<00:28:03.465>um, <00:28:03.665>and <00:28:03.865>English <00:28:04.064>is <00:28:04.264>basically <00:28:04.465>the <00:28:04.665>simplest <00:28:04.865>language,

731
00:28:05.865 --> 00:28:08.645
<00:28:05.865>or <00:28:06.020>him <00:28:06.176>being <00:28:06.331>British <00:28:06.487>or <00:28:06.642>people <00:28:06.798>just <00:28:06.953>think <00:28:07.109>in <00:28:07.265>English.

732
00:28:08.645 --> 00:28:09.765
<00:28:08.645>That's <00:28:08.897>about <00:28:09.149>it. <00:28:09.401>Basically <00:28:09.653>it,

733
00:28:09.825 --> 00:28:11.245
<00:28:09.825>so, <00:28:10.080>but <00:28:10.336>yeah, <00:28:10.591>you're, <00:28:10.847>you're <00:28:11.102>right.

734
00:28:11.245 --> 00:28:13.325
<00:28:11.245>Like <00:28:11.445>I, <00:28:11.645>I <00:28:11.844>think <00:28:12.044>generating <00:28:12.245>things <00:28:12.445>from <00:28:12.645>it,

735
00:28:13.975 --> 00:28:17.085
<00:28:13.975>maybe <00:28:14.115>a <00:28:14.254>nice <00:28:14.395>dream, <00:28:14.534>but, <00:28:14.675>okay, <00:28:14.814>let's <00:28:14.955>see <00:28:15.094>what's <00:28:15.235>going <00:28:15.375>on.

736
00:28:17.865 --> 00:28:20.805
<00:28:17.865>Um, <00:28:18.215>accessibility, <00:28:18.565>user <00:28:18.915>requirements, <00:28:19.265>uh,

737
00:28:20.865 --> 00:28:24.045
<00:28:20.865>for <00:28:20.992>W <00:28:21.119>three <00:28:21.246>C <00:28:21.374>group <00:28:21.501>has <00:28:21.628>now <00:28:21.755>been <00:28:21.883>ratified <00:28:22.010>as <00:28:22.137>a <00:28:22.265>note.

738
00:28:24.065 --> 00:28:25.205
<00:28:24.065>So <00:28:24.321>that's <00:28:24.578>interesting <00:28:24.834>as <00:28:25.091>well,

739
00:28:25.395 --> 00:28:28.165
<00:28:25.395>because <00:28:25.550>we <00:28:25.706>finally <00:28:25.861>have <00:28:26.017>like <00:28:26.172>a <00:28:26.328>standard, <00:28:26.483>what <00:28:26.639>it <00:28:26.795>means

740
00:28:28.165 --> 00:28:30.725
<00:28:28.165>to <00:28:28.305>do <00:28:28.445>developer <00:28:28.585>tools <00:28:28.725>and <00:28:28.865>how <00:28:29.004>accessible <00:28:29.145>they <00:28:29.284>have <00:28:29.425>to <00:28:29.565>be.

741
00:28:31.425 --> 00:28:34.725
<00:28:31.425>Um, <00:28:31.600>that <00:28:31.774>is <00:28:31.950>actually <00:28:32.125>a <00:28:32.300>niche <00:28:32.475>need <00:28:32.649>as <00:28:32.825>well.

742
00:28:34.825 --> 00:28:38.085
<00:28:34.825>But <00:28:34.941>when <00:28:35.058>I <00:28:35.175>worked <00:28:35.291>on <00:28:35.408>the <00:28:35.525>dev <00:28:35.641>tools <00:28:35.758>for, <00:28:35.875>uh, <00:28:35.991>uh, <00:28:36.108>for <00:28:36.225>Edge,

743
00:28:38.085 --> 00:28:40.405
<00:28:38.085>for <00:28:38.212>example, <00:28:38.339>it <00:28:38.466>was <00:28:38.594>amazing <00:28:38.721>how <00:28:38.848>much <00:28:38.975>stuff <00:28:39.103>we <00:28:39.230>had <00:28:39.357>to <00:28:39.485>do

744
00:28:40.785 --> 00:28:43.885
<00:28:40.785>to <00:28:40.940>actually <00:28:41.096>make <00:28:41.251>things <00:28:41.407>available <00:28:41.562>for <00:28:41.718>every <00:28:41.873>user <00:28:42.029>out <00:28:42.185>there.

745
00:28:44.265 --> 00:28:45.725
<00:28:44.265>And <00:28:44.484>we <00:28:44.703>made <00:28:44.922>them <00:28:45.141>better <00:28:45.360>by <00:28:45.579>making

746
00:28:45.745 --> 00:28:46.925
<00:28:45.745>it <00:28:45.957>for <00:28:46.169>every <00:28:46.382>user <00:28:46.594>out <00:28:46.807>there.

747
00:28:46.985 --> 00:28:49.365
<00:28:46.985>But <00:28:47.185>it <00:28:47.385>feels <00:28:47.584>like <00:28:47.784>people <00:28:47.985>always <00:28:48.185>wondering <00:28:48.385>like,

748
00:28:49.365 --> 00:28:51.645
<00:28:49.365>will <00:28:49.598>there <00:28:49.831>be <00:28:50.065>blind <00:28:50.298>developers <00:28:50.531>out <00:28:50.765>there?

749
00:28:51.705 --> 00:28:53.765
<00:28:51.705>And <00:28:51.879>yes, <00:28:52.054>there <00:28:52.230>are <00:28:52.405>many <00:28:52.580>out <00:28:52.754>there <00:28:52.929>as <00:28:53.105>well.

750
00:28:53.865 --> 00:28:56.925
<00:28:53.865>And <00:28:54.005>I <00:28:54.145>think <00:28:54.285>what <00:28:54.425>kind <00:28:54.565>of, <00:28:54.705>uh, <00:28:54.845>uh, <00:28:54.985>I <00:28:55.125>often <00:28:55.265>find

751
00:28:56.925 --> 00:28:58.685
<00:28:56.925>that <00:28:57.158>when <00:28:57.391>we <00:28:57.625>see <00:28:57.858>make <00:28:58.091>things <00:28:58.325>accessible,

752
00:28:58.685 --> 00:28:59.925
<00:28:58.685>they <00:28:58.908>get <00:28:59.131>better <00:28:59.354>for <00:28:59.577>everybody <00:28:59.801>else.

753
00:29:00.355 --> 00:29:02.325
<00:29:00.355>What <00:29:00.635>examples <00:29:00.915>where <00:29:01.195>you <00:29:01.475>saw <00:29:01.755>that?

754
00:29:02.395 --> 00:29:04.725
<00:29:02.395>Like <00:29:02.595>where, <00:29:02.795>where <00:29:02.995>we <00:29:03.195>use <00:29:03.395>an <00:29:03.595>accessibility <00:29:03.795>feature

755
00:29:04.795 --> 00:29:06.325
<00:29:04.795>that <00:29:05.070>is <00:29:05.345>not <00:29:05.621>needed <00:29:05.896>for <00:29:06.172>you,

756
00:29:06.385 --> 00:29:07.605
<00:29:06.385>but <00:29:06.604>actually <00:29:06.824>makes <00:29:07.043>your <00:29:07.263>life <00:29:07.483>easier,

757
00:29:08.865 --> 00:29:11.375
<00:29:08.865>Touch <00:29:09.565>targets, <00:29:10.265>colors.

758
00:29:12.475 --> 00:29:16.095
<00:29:12.475>Um, <00:29:12.630>I'm <00:29:12.786>so <00:29:12.941>grayscale <00:29:13.097>interfaces, <00:29:13.252>uh, <00:29:13.408>I <00:29:13.563>can <00:29:13.719>see <00:29:13.875>color.

759
00:29:16.155 --> 00:29:19.175
<00:29:16.155>I'm <00:29:16.330>always <00:29:16.504>annoyed <00:29:16.680>when <00:29:16.855>I <00:29:17.030>don't <00:29:17.205>see, <00:29:17.379>um, <00:29:17.555>uh,

760
00:29:19.685 --> 00:29:21.175
<00:29:19.685>what <00:29:19.852>a <00:29:20.020>link <00:29:20.187>is <00:29:20.355>and <00:29:20.523>what <00:29:20.690>I <00:29:20.858>can <00:29:21.025>click.

761
00:29:21.355 --> 00:29:23.895
<00:29:21.355>Um, <00:29:21.495>a <00:29:21.635>lot <00:29:21.775>of <00:29:21.915>websites <00:29:22.055>have <00:29:22.195>this, <00:29:22.335>for <00:29:22.475>example, <00:29:22.615>a <00:29:22.755>lot

762
00:29:23.895 --> 00:29:25.775
<00:29:23.895>of <00:29:24.175>websites <00:29:24.455>wouldn't <00:29:24.735>underline <00:29:25.014>these <00:29:25.295>links.

763
00:29:25.965 --> 00:29:27.575
<00:29:25.965>This <00:29:26.245>is <00:29:26.524>a <00:29:26.804>normal <00:29:27.084>accessibility <00:29:27.365>feature.

764
00:29:27.575 --> 00:29:31.175
<00:29:27.575>Helps <00:29:27.730>me <00:29:27.886>because <00:29:28.041>my <00:29:28.197>phone <00:29:28.352>turns <00:29:28.508>into <00:29:28.663>gray <00:29:28.819>scale <00:29:28.975>from

765
00:29:31.175 --> 00:29:32.255
<00:29:31.175>8:00 <00:29:31.661>PM <00:29:32.147>onwards.

766
00:29:32.315 --> 00:29:34.055
<00:29:32.315>And <00:29:32.490>very <00:29:32.665>often <00:29:32.840>I'm <00:29:33.015>like, <00:29:33.190>okay, <00:29:33.365>here's <00:29:33.540>a <00:29:33.715>link.

767
00:29:34.055 --> 00:29:35.055
<00:29:34.055>Now <00:29:34.205>I <00:29:34.355>have <00:29:34.505>to <00:29:34.655>turn <00:29:34.805>on <00:29:34.955>color.

768
00:29:35.445 --> 00:29:37.615
<00:29:35.445>This <00:29:35.620>annoys <00:29:35.794>they <00:29:35.970>had <00:29:36.145>a <00:29:36.320>lot <00:29:36.495>of <00:29:36.669>me, <00:29:36.845>uh,

769
00:29:37.935 --> 00:29:39.615
<00:29:37.935>touching <00:29:38.215>device <00:29:38.495>faces <00:29:38.774>for <00:29:39.054>accessibility <00:29:39.335>reasons.

770
00:29:39.635 --> 00:29:42.885
<00:29:39.635>We <00:29:39.775>have <00:29:39.915>all <00:29:40.055>these <00:29:40.195>kind <00:29:40.335>of, <00:29:40.475>um, <00:29:40.615>minimum <00:29:40.754>target <00:29:40.895>size, <00:29:41.035>right?

771
00:29:42.885 --> 00:29:44.725
<00:29:42.885>So <00:29:43.040>that <00:29:43.196>a <00:29:43.351>button <00:29:43.507>is <00:29:43.662>big <00:29:43.818>enough <00:29:43.973>that <00:29:44.129>a <00:29:44.285>link

772
00:29:44.745 --> 00:29:46.045
<00:29:44.745>or <00:29:44.978>two <00:29:45.213>links <00:29:45.447>aren't <00:29:45.681>close <00:29:45.915>enough.

773
00:29:46.545 --> 00:29:50.685
<00:29:46.545>Um, <00:29:46.700>tapping <00:29:46.856>the <00:29:47.011>right <00:29:47.167>thing <00:29:47.322>affects <00:29:47.478>me. <00:29:47.633>Um, <00:29:47.789>what <00:29:47.945>else?

774
00:29:51.065 --> 00:29:52.405
<00:29:51.065>Web <00:29:51.366>performance, <00:29:51.668>I <00:29:51.969>consider <00:29:52.271>that

775
00:29:52.585 --> 00:29:54.325
<00:29:52.585>as <00:29:52.818>accessibility <00:29:53.051>feature <00:29:53.285>all <00:29:53.518>the <00:29:53.751>time <00:29:53.985>too.

776
00:29:54.325 --> 00:29:57.605
<00:29:54.325>Deutsche <00:29:54.525>ban, <00:29:54.725>when <00:29:54.925>a <00:29:55.125>website <00:29:55.325>is <00:29:55.525>slow, <00:29:55.725>that's,

777
00:29:57.605 --> 00:30:00.285
<00:29:57.605>that's <00:29:57.760>not <00:29:57.916>gonna <00:29:58.071>fly <00:29:58.227>in <00:29:58.382>the <00:29:58.538>German, <00:29:58.693>German <00:29:58.849>train <00:29:59.005>system.

778
00:30:00.985 --> 00:30:02.845
<00:30:00.985>So <00:30:01.334>I <00:30:01.685>100% <00:30:02.034>agree, <00:30:02.385>Chris.

779
00:30:03.065 --> 00:30:06.165
<00:30:03.065>Um, <00:30:03.220>thinking <00:30:03.376>of <00:30:03.531>more <00:30:03.687>people, <00:30:03.842>uh, <00:30:03.998>makes <00:30:04.153>a <00:30:04.309>product <00:30:04.465>better.

780
00:30:06.185 --> 00:30:08.045
<00:30:06.185>And <00:30:06.340>very <00:30:06.496>quickly <00:30:06.651>when <00:30:06.807>you <00:30:06.962>look <00:30:07.118>out <00:30:07.273>for <00:30:07.429>these <00:30:07.585>things,

781
00:30:08.065 --> 00:30:09.685
<00:30:08.065>you <00:30:08.298>will <00:30:08.531>figure <00:30:08.765>out <00:30:08.998>or <00:30:09.231>discover <00:30:09.465>that,

782
00:30:09.685 --> 00:30:10.765
<00:30:09.685>yeah, <00:30:09.879>it's <00:30:10.073>better <00:30:10.268>for <00:30:10.462>me <00:30:10.657>too.

783
00:30:12.075 --> 00:30:14.445
<00:30:12.075>Well, <00:30:12.355>trains <00:30:12.635>don't <00:30:12.915>fly <00:30:13.195>by <00:30:13.475>design,

784
00:30:14.625 --> 00:30:17.565
<00:30:14.625>but <00:30:14.858>like, <00:30:15.091>that's <00:30:15.325>basically, <00:30:15.558>I <00:30:15.791>mean, <00:30:16.025>uh,

785
00:30:17.705 --> 00:30:19.325
<00:30:17.705>in <00:30:17.938>Germany <00:30:18.171>we're <00:30:18.405>happy <00:30:18.638>when <00:30:18.871>they <00:30:19.105>run.

786
00:30:20.225 --> 00:30:23.005
<00:30:20.225>Uh, <00:30:20.425>but <00:30:20.625>yeah, <00:30:20.824>what <00:30:21.024>I <00:30:21.225>find <00:30:21.425>interesting <00:30:21.625>is

787
00:30:23.005 --> 00:30:25.525
<00:30:23.005>that <00:30:23.132>also <00:30:23.259>ties <00:30:23.386>into <00:30:23.514>a <00:30:23.641>thing <00:30:23.768>I'm <00:30:23.895>gonna <00:30:24.023>put <00:30:24.150>in <00:30:24.277>the <00:30:24.405>newsletter,

788
00:30:25.525 --> 00:30:28.205
<00:30:25.525>that <00:30:25.700>like <00:30:25.875>a <00:30:26.050>lot <00:30:26.225>of <00:30:26.400>times <00:30:26.575>you <00:30:26.750>want <00:30:26.925>anything

789
00:30:28.205 --> 00:30:31.645
<00:30:28.205>to <00:30:28.321>work <00:30:28.438>on <00:30:28.554>Macs <00:30:28.671>nowadays <00:30:28.788>as <00:30:28.905>a, <00:30:29.021>as <00:30:29.138>an <00:30:29.254>app <00:30:29.371>developer, <00:30:29.488>you <00:30:29.605>have

790
00:30:31.645 --> 00:30:33.165
<00:30:31.645>to <00:30:31.918>go <00:30:32.192>through <00:30:32.465>the <00:30:32.739>accessibility <00:30:33.013>interface

791
00:30:33.435 --> 00:30:35.805
<00:30:33.435>because <00:30:33.610>it's <00:30:33.784>the <00:30:33.960>only <00:30:34.135>thing <00:30:34.310>that <00:30:34.485>gives <00:30:34.659>you <00:30:34.835>access

792
00:30:35.865 --> 00:30:37.885
<00:30:35.865>to <00:30:36.098>different <00:30:36.331>parts <00:30:36.565>of <00:30:36.798>the <00:30:37.031>operating <00:30:37.265>system.

793
00:30:38.165 --> 00:30:40.005
<00:30:38.165>'cause <00:30:38.398>they <00:30:38.631>can <00:30:38.865>never <00:30:39.098>block <00:30:39.331>that. <00:30:39.565>Hmm.

794
00:30:40.005 --> 00:30:42.245
<00:30:40.005>So <00:30:40.180>that's <00:30:40.355>an <00:30:40.530>interesting <00:30:40.705>part <00:30:40.880>where <00:30:41.055>it <00:30:41.230>comes <00:30:41.405>there.

795
00:30:42.705 --> 00:30:45.525
<00:30:42.705>Now <00:30:42.938>there's <00:30:43.171>an, <00:30:43.405>uh, <00:30:43.638>accessibility <00:30:43.871>essentials <00:30:44.105>article

796
00:30:45.525 --> 00:30:48.085
<00:30:45.525>that <00:30:45.725>went <00:30:45.925>around <00:30:46.125>and, <00:30:46.325>uh, <00:30:46.525>I, <00:30:46.725>I <00:30:46.925>basically,

797
00:30:48.205 --> 00:30:49.285
<00:30:48.205>I <00:30:48.367>haven't <00:30:48.529>looked <00:30:48.691>at <00:30:48.853>it <00:30:49.015>much <00:30:49.177>myself,

798
00:30:49.285 --> 00:30:50.965
<00:30:49.285>but <00:30:49.485>people <00:30:49.685>got <00:30:49.885>really, <00:30:50.085>really <00:30:50.285>excited <00:30:50.485>about <00:30:50.685>it.

799
00:30:51.395 --> 00:30:54.325
<00:30:51.395>That <00:30:51.628>basically <00:30:51.861>points <00:30:52.095>out <00:30:52.328>about <00:30:52.561>the <00:30:52.795>basics

800
00:30:54.325 --> 00:30:56.045
<00:30:54.325>of <00:30:55.025>accessibility <00:30:55.725>again.

801
00:30:56.825 --> 00:30:59.045
<00:30:56.825>Um, <00:30:57.105>Dan, <00:30:57.385>you <00:30:57.665>probably <00:30:57.945>took <00:30:58.225>a,

802
00:30:59.245 --> 00:31:00.565
<00:30:59.245>a <00:30:59.443>closer <00:30:59.640>look <00:30:59.839>to <00:31:00.037>that <00:31:00.235>one, <00:31:00.433>right?

803
00:31:00.995 --> 00:31:02.965
<00:31:00.995>Yeah. <00:31:01.169>Yeah. <00:31:01.344>I <00:31:01.520>actually <00:31:01.695>love <00:31:01.870>this <00:31:02.044>to <00:31:02.219>be <00:31:02.395>honest.

804
00:31:03.105 --> 00:31:05.725
<00:31:03.105>Um, <00:31:03.232>because <00:31:03.359>I <00:31:03.486>think <00:31:03.614>that <00:31:03.741>it's <00:31:03.868>a <00:31:03.995>bit <00:31:04.123>like <00:31:04.250>a <00:31:04.377>cheat <00:31:04.505>sheet,

805
00:31:05.725 --> 00:31:07.805
<00:31:05.725>you <00:31:05.865>know, <00:31:06.004>um, <00:31:06.145>I, <00:31:06.284>I <00:31:06.425>found <00:31:06.564>when <00:31:06.705>I <00:31:06.844>was <00:31:06.985>learning <00:31:07.125>sort

806
00:31:07.805 --> 00:31:08.805
<00:31:07.805>of <00:31:07.985>software <00:31:08.165>for <00:31:08.345>the <00:31:08.525>first <00:31:08.705>time,

807
00:31:08.805 --> 00:31:09.885
<00:31:08.805>they <00:31:08.999>might <00:31:09.193>be <00:31:09.388>something <00:31:09.582>like <00:31:09.777>Photoshop,

808
00:31:09.925 --> 00:31:12.165
<00:31:09.925>I <00:31:10.052>would <00:31:10.179>get <00:31:10.306>these <00:31:10.434>cheat <00:31:10.561>sheets <00:31:10.688>and <00:31:10.815>they'd <00:31:10.943>have <00:31:11.070>all <00:31:11.197>the <00:31:11.325>cuts

809
00:31:12.265 --> 00:31:14.125
<00:31:12.265>and <00:31:12.498>I <00:31:12.731>always <00:31:12.965>found <00:31:13.198>those <00:31:13.431>really <00:31:13.665>useful.

810
00:31:14.285 --> 00:31:16.805
<00:31:14.285>'cause <00:31:14.425>it <00:31:14.565>was <00:31:14.705>like <00:31:14.845>a, <00:31:14.985>um, <00:31:15.125>something <00:31:15.265>I <00:31:15.405>could <00:31:15.545>refer <00:31:15.685>to,

811
00:31:16.825 --> 00:31:18.365
<00:31:16.825>to <00:31:17.023>just <00:31:17.221>make <00:31:17.419>sure <00:31:17.617>I <00:31:17.815>wasn't <00:31:18.013>missing <00:31:18.211>anything

812
00:31:18.365 --> 00:31:19.525
<00:31:18.365>that, <00:31:18.539>that <00:31:18.713>I <00:31:18.887>was <00:31:19.061>doing <00:31:19.235>a <00:31:19.409>lot.

813
00:31:19.825 --> 00:31:22.445
<00:31:19.825>And <00:31:19.952>I, <00:31:20.079>I <00:31:20.206>see <00:31:20.334>that <00:31:20.461>a <00:31:20.588>little <00:31:20.715>bit <00:31:20.843>like <00:31:20.970>this, <00:31:21.097>where <00:31:21.225>the,

814
00:31:22.455 --> 00:31:25.045
<00:31:22.455>these <00:31:22.595>are, <00:31:22.735>some <00:31:22.875>of <00:31:23.014>them <00:31:23.155>are <00:31:23.294>so <00:31:23.435>basic <00:31:23.574>and <00:31:23.715>so <00:31:23.855>obvious,

815
00:31:25.225 --> 00:31:27.445
<00:31:25.225>but <00:31:25.399>I <00:31:25.574>think <00:31:25.750>that <00:31:25.925>you <00:31:26.100>need <00:31:26.274>to <00:31:26.449>be <00:31:26.625>reminded

816
00:31:27.445 --> 00:31:30.325
<00:31:27.445>of <00:31:27.585>them <00:31:27.725>if <00:31:27.865>you <00:31:28.004>don't <00:31:28.145>encounter <00:31:28.284>them, <00:31:28.425>you <00:31:28.564>know, <00:31:28.705>for <00:31:28.845>yourself.

817
00:31:30.505 --> 00:31:32.565
<00:31:30.505>Um, <00:31:30.738>if <00:31:30.971>they're <00:31:31.205>not <00:31:31.438>issues <00:31:31.671>that <00:31:31.905>you,

818
00:31:32.585 --> 00:31:35.205
<00:31:32.585>you <00:31:32.760>regularly <00:31:32.935>come <00:31:33.110>across <00:31:33.285>or <00:31:33.460>things <00:31:33.635>that <00:31:33.810>are <00:31:33.985>there

819
00:31:35.225 --> 00:31:36.645
<00:31:35.225>but <00:31:35.480>you <00:31:35.736>don't <00:31:35.991>even <00:31:36.247>experience <00:31:36.503>them,

820
00:31:36.645 --> 00:31:38.645
<00:31:36.645>then <00:31:36.820>you <00:31:36.995>are <00:31:37.170>very <00:31:37.345>easily <00:31:37.520>gonna <00:31:37.695>forget <00:31:37.870>about <00:31:38.045>them.

821
00:31:38.705 --> 00:31:41.525
<00:31:38.705>So <00:31:38.845>yeah, <00:31:38.985>I <00:31:39.125>love <00:31:39.264>this. <00:31:39.405>I <00:31:39.544>think <00:31:39.685>it's, <00:31:39.824>it's <00:31:39.965>always <00:31:40.105>good

822
00:31:41.525 --> 00:31:43.005
<00:31:41.525>to <00:31:41.747>have <00:31:41.969>these <00:31:42.191>cheat <00:31:42.413>sheets <00:31:42.635>really <00:31:42.857>useful.

823
00:31:43.765 --> 00:31:45.245
<00:31:43.765>I <00:31:43.955>mean, <00:31:44.145>there's <00:31:44.335>a <00:31:44.526>few <00:31:44.716>out <00:31:44.906>there, <00:31:45.097>like,

824
00:31:45.245 --> 00:31:47.365
<00:31:45.245>there's <00:31:45.445>also <00:31:45.645>a <00:31:45.844>Hayden <00:31:46.044>Pickering <00:31:46.245>just <00:31:46.445>did <00:31:46.645>one

825
00:31:47.365 --> 00:31:48.885
<00:31:47.365>for <00:31:47.821>like <00:31:48.277>non-techy <00:31:48.733>people.

826
00:31:49.355 --> 00:31:50.685
<00:31:49.355>That <00:31:49.654>was <00:31:49.953>interesting <00:31:50.252>to <00:31:50.552>see.

827
00:31:50.785 --> 00:31:53.645
<00:31:50.785>But, <00:31:50.925>uh, <00:31:51.065>I <00:31:51.205>mean, <00:31:51.345>it, <00:31:51.485>it <00:31:51.625>always <00:31:51.765>pains <00:31:51.905>me <00:31:52.045>to <00:31:52.185>see

828
00:31:53.665 --> 00:31:55.845
<00:31:53.665>how <00:31:53.840>many <00:31:54.014>people <00:31:54.190>just <00:31:54.365>don't <00:31:54.540>know <00:31:54.715>about <00:31:54.889>these <00:31:55.065>basics

829
00:31:56.465 --> 00:31:57.965
<00:31:56.465>or <00:31:56.915>just <00:31:57.365>don't <00:31:57.814>care.

830
00:31:58.665 --> 00:32:01.245
<00:31:58.665>And, <00:31:58.840>uh, <00:31:59.014>oftentimes <00:31:59.190>when <00:31:59.365>you <00:31:59.540>go <00:31:59.715>to <00:31:59.889>social <00:32:00.065>media

831
00:32:01.385 --> 00:32:04.085
<00:32:01.385>and <00:32:01.540>you <00:32:01.696>try <00:32:01.851>to <00:32:02.007>add <00:32:02.162>a, <00:32:02.318>uh, <00:32:02.473>an <00:32:02.629>alternative <00:32:02.785>text,

832
00:32:04.085 --> 00:32:05.325
<00:32:04.085>it's <00:32:04.308>like <00:32:04.531>a <00:32:04.754>five <00:32:04.977>click <00:32:05.201>thing.

833
00:32:05.925 --> 00:32:08.325
<00:32:05.925>I <00:32:06.065>wrote <00:32:06.205>about <00:32:06.345>this, <00:32:06.485>uh, <00:32:06.625>a <00:32:06.764>lot <00:32:06.905>a <00:32:07.044>few <00:32:07.185>weeks <00:32:07.325>ago

834
00:32:08.325 --> 00:32:10.965
<00:32:08.325>where <00:32:08.452>it's <00:32:08.579>like, <00:32:08.706>wouldn't <00:32:08.834>it <00:32:08.961>be <00:32:09.088>great <00:32:09.215>if <00:32:09.343>we <00:32:09.470>just <00:32:09.597>as <00:32:09.725>part

835
00:32:11.025 --> 00:32:15.125
<00:32:11.025>of <00:32:11.152>a <00:32:11.279>post, <00:32:11.406>we <00:32:11.534>could <00:32:11.661>just <00:32:11.788>say <00:32:11.915>like <00:32:12.043>a <00:32:12.170>bracket <00:32:12.297>alt <00:32:12.425>colon

836
00:32:15.665 --> 00:32:18.085
<00:32:15.665>and <00:32:15.840>write <00:32:16.014>the <00:32:16.190>alternative <00:32:16.365>text <00:32:16.540>there, <00:32:16.715>rather <00:32:16.889>than <00:32:17.065>having

837
00:32:18.085 --> 00:32:20.605
<00:32:18.085>to <00:32:18.240>click <00:32:18.396>through <00:32:18.551>like <00:32:18.707>15 <00:32:18.862>things <00:32:19.018>of <00:32:19.173>the <00:32:19.329>interface <00:32:19.485>mm-hmm.

838
00:32:20.665 --> 00:32:24.245
<00:32:20.665>And <00:32:20.772>make <00:32:20.880>it <00:32:20.988>a <00:32:21.095>meta <00:32:21.203>or <00:32:21.311>like <00:32:21.418>a <00:32:21.526>front <00:32:21.634>meta <00:32:21.741>thing <00:32:21.849>in, <00:32:21.957>uh, <00:32:22.065>in,

839
00:32:24.425 --> 00:32:26.125
<00:32:24.425>um, <00:32:25.125>in <00:32:25.825>markdown.

840
00:32:26.185 --> 00:32:30.765
<00:32:26.185>But <00:32:26.312>it, <00:32:26.439>it <00:32:26.566>seems <00:32:26.694>tricky <00:32:26.821>that <00:32:26.948>people <00:32:27.075>don't <00:32:27.203>want <00:32:27.330>to <00:32:27.457>add <00:32:27.585>this.

841
00:32:30.945 --> 00:32:33.765
<00:32:30.945>And <00:32:31.072>I <00:32:31.199>guess <00:32:31.326>if <00:32:31.454>you <00:32:31.581>allow <00:32:31.708>people <00:32:31.835>to <00:32:31.963>add <00:32:32.090>some <00:32:32.217>extra <00:32:32.345>text,

842
00:32:33.765 --> 00:32:35.765
<00:32:33.765>they, <00:32:33.920>spams <00:32:34.076>will <00:32:34.231>use <00:32:34.387>it <00:32:34.542>for <00:32:34.698>all <00:32:34.853>kind <00:32:35.009>of <00:32:35.165>crap

843
00:32:36.965 --> 00:32:39.245
<00:32:36.965>That <00:32:37.105>might, <00:32:37.245>I <00:32:37.385>mean, <00:32:37.524>uh, <00:32:37.665>this <00:32:37.804>is <00:32:37.945>a <00:32:38.084>conversation <00:32:38.225>that <00:32:38.365>that

844
00:32:39.245 --> 00:32:41.165
<00:32:39.245>that <00:32:39.478>I <00:32:39.711>have <00:32:39.945>very <00:32:40.178>often <00:32:40.411>that, <00:32:40.645>uh,

845
00:32:41.165 --> 00:32:42.445
<00:32:41.165>people <00:32:41.549>don't <00:32:41.933>necessarily <00:32:42.317>care.

846
00:32:42.585 --> 00:32:45.285
<00:32:42.585>It <00:32:42.740>slightly <00:32:42.896>goes <00:32:43.051>to <00:32:43.207>the <00:32:43.362>point <00:32:43.518>we <00:32:43.673>had <00:32:43.829>earlier, <00:32:43.985>Dan.

847
00:32:45.315 --> 00:32:49.405
<00:32:45.315>It's <00:32:45.431>like <00:32:45.548>if <00:32:45.665>you, <00:32:45.781>if <00:32:45.898>you <00:32:46.015>consider <00:32:46.131>what <00:32:46.248>you <00:32:46.365>do <00:32:46.481>in <00:32:46.598>terms <00:32:46.715>of,

848
00:32:50.025 --> 00:32:51.405
<00:32:50.025>it <00:32:50.202>could <00:32:50.379>be <00:32:50.557>publishing <00:32:50.734>or <00:32:50.912>it <00:32:51.089>could <00:32:51.267>be,

849
00:32:51.405 --> 00:32:52.445
<00:32:51.405>uh, <00:32:51.716>software <00:32:52.029>development, <00:32:52.341>right?

850
00:32:52.445 --> 00:32:54.125
<00:32:52.445>If <00:32:52.600>you <00:32:52.756>consider <00:32:52.911>it <00:32:53.067>kind <00:32:53.222>of <00:32:53.378>a, <00:32:53.533>as <00:32:53.689>a <00:32:53.845>craft

851
00:32:54.425 --> 00:32:56.805
<00:32:54.425>and <00:32:54.600>you <00:32:54.774>want <00:32:54.950>to <00:32:55.125>do <00:32:55.300>good <00:32:55.475>stuff <00:32:55.649>in <00:32:55.825>general,

852
00:32:57.225 --> 00:32:59.725
<00:32:57.225>let <00:32:57.365>it <00:32:57.504>be <00:32:57.645>posting <00:32:57.784>on <00:32:57.925>social <00:32:58.064>media <00:32:58.205>with <00:32:58.344>an <00:32:58.485>alt <00:32:58.625>text

853
00:32:59.865 --> 00:33:02.045
<00:32:59.865>or <00:33:00.040>building <00:33:00.215>software <00:33:00.390>or <00:33:00.565>for <00:33:00.740>the <00:33:00.915>web <00:33:01.090>or <00:33:01.265>something.

854
00:33:02.265 --> 00:33:04.205
<00:33:02.265>If <00:33:02.420>you're <00:33:02.576>the <00:33:02.731>person <00:33:02.887>that <00:33:03.042>kind <00:33:03.198>of <00:33:03.353>digs <00:33:03.509>deeper, <00:33:03.665>wants

855
00:33:04.205 --> 00:33:05.765
<00:33:04.205>to <00:33:04.438>good <00:33:04.671>stuff <00:33:04.905>and <00:33:05.138>doesn't <00:33:05.371>only <00:33:05.605>copy

856
00:33:05.825 --> 00:33:07.925
<00:33:05.825>and <00:33:06.105>paste <00:33:06.385>from <00:33:06.665>Stack <00:33:06.945>Overflow, <00:33:07.225>um,

857
00:33:07.925 --> 00:33:09.005
<00:33:07.925>you <00:33:08.119>will <00:33:08.313>care <00:33:08.508>about <00:33:08.702>these <00:33:08.897>things.

858
00:33:09.005 --> 00:33:10.365
<00:33:09.005>Eventually <00:33:09.249>you <00:33:09.494>will <00:33:09.739>learn <00:33:09.984>about <00:33:10.229>them

859
00:33:10.365 --> 00:33:13.765
<00:33:10.365>because <00:33:10.520>it's, <00:33:10.676>I <00:33:10.831>would <00:33:10.987>say <00:33:11.142>at <00:33:11.298>this <00:33:11.453>point, <00:33:11.609>very <00:33:11.765>hard

860
00:33:14.225 --> 00:33:18.285
<00:33:14.225>to <00:33:14.380>not <00:33:14.536>at <00:33:14.691>some <00:33:14.847>point <00:33:15.002>come <00:33:15.158>across <00:33:15.313>semantic <00:33:15.469>HT <00:33:15.625>ML

861
00:33:18.425 --> 00:33:21.325
<00:33:18.425>or <00:33:18.625>keyboard <00:33:18.825>navigation <00:33:19.024>when <00:33:19.225>you <00:33:19.425>do <00:33:19.625>front <00:33:19.825>end,

862
00:33:21.325 --> 00:33:23.685
<00:33:21.325>at <00:33:21.500>some <00:33:21.675>point <00:33:21.850>you <00:33:22.025>will <00:33:22.200>come <00:33:22.375>across <00:33:22.550>this <00:33:22.725>and,

863
00:33:23.865 --> 00:33:26.485
<00:33:23.865>but <00:33:24.098>some <00:33:24.331>people <00:33:24.565>don't, <00:33:24.798>uh, <00:33:25.031>don't, <00:33:25.265>uh,

864
00:33:26.515 --> 00:33:27.765
<00:33:26.515>want <00:33:26.796>to <00:33:27.077>master <00:33:27.358>the <00:33:27.640>craft.

865
00:33:27.945 --> 00:33:30.085
<00:33:27.945>And <00:33:28.178>that <00:33:28.411>is <00:33:28.645>the <00:33:28.878>thing <00:33:29.111>for <00:33:29.345>sure.

866
00:33:31.405 --> 00:33:33.645
<00:33:31.405>I <00:33:31.638>wonder <00:33:31.871>on <00:33:32.105>that. <00:33:32.338>I <00:33:32.571>mean, <00:33:32.805>uh,

867
00:33:33.805 --> 00:33:35.045
<00:33:33.805>I <00:33:34.028>mean <00:33:34.251>there's <00:33:34.474>all <00:33:34.697>these <00:33:34.921>like,

868
00:33:35.055 --> 00:33:37.445
<00:33:35.055>these <00:33:35.288>like <00:33:35.521>Cinderella <00:33:35.755>stories <00:33:35.988>about <00:33:36.221>the <00:33:36.455>developer

869
00:33:37.445 --> 00:33:39.645
<00:33:37.445>that <00:33:37.678>used <00:33:37.911>LLMs <00:33:38.145>to <00:33:38.378>generate <00:33:38.611>the <00:33:38.845>app

870
00:33:39.705 --> 00:33:40.885
<00:33:39.705>and <00:33:39.970>made <00:33:40.235>millions <00:33:40.501>of <00:33:40.767>dollars.

871
00:33:41.065 --> 00:33:43.565
<00:33:41.065>So <00:33:41.265>sure. <00:33:41.465>Maybe <00:33:41.665>us <00:33:41.865>telling <00:33:42.065>that <00:33:42.265>you <00:33:42.465>need

872
00:33:43.565 --> 00:33:46.205
<00:33:43.565>to <00:33:43.705>know <00:33:43.845>the <00:33:43.985>basics <00:33:44.125>is, <00:33:44.265>is <00:33:44.405>not <00:33:44.545>a <00:33:44.685>thing <00:33:44.825>that's <00:33:44.965>interesting

873
00:33:46.225 --> 00:33:48.325
<00:33:46.225>for <00:33:46.352>people <00:33:46.479>that <00:33:46.606>just <00:33:46.734>wanna <00:33:46.861>go <00:33:46.988>onto <00:33:47.115>the <00:33:47.243>market <00:33:47.370>to <00:33:47.497>make <00:33:47.625>money.

874
00:33:49.315 --> 00:33:51.045
<00:33:49.315>Yeah. <00:33:49.515>Or <00:33:49.715>maybe <00:33:49.915>just <00:33:50.115>as <00:33:50.315>a <00:33:50.515>day <00:33:50.715>job

875
00:33:51.185 --> 00:33:52.565
<00:33:51.185>and <00:33:51.392>uh, <00:33:51.599>that's <00:33:51.806>it <00:33:52.013>and <00:33:52.220>nobody <00:33:52.427>cares.

876
00:33:52.565 --> 00:33:54.325
<00:33:52.565>Maybe <00:33:52.798>it's <00:33:53.031>also <00:33:53.265>an <00:33:53.498>internal <00:33:53.731>application, <00:33:53.965>right?

877
00:33:54.465 --> 00:33:55.925
<00:33:54.465>Uh, <00:33:54.684>or <00:33:54.903>a <00:33:55.121>tool <00:33:55.341>just <00:33:55.560>for <00:33:55.779>them.

878
00:33:56.015 --> 00:33:58.165
<00:33:56.015>There, <00:33:56.295>there <00:33:56.575>might <00:33:56.855>be <00:33:57.135>some <00:33:57.415>reasons.

879
00:33:58.545 --> 00:34:01.245
<00:33:58.545>Um, <00:33:58.700>I <00:33:58.856>consider <00:33:59.011>front <00:33:59.167>end <00:33:59.322>to <00:33:59.478>be <00:33:59.633>a <00:33:59.789>craft <00:33:59.945>though,

880
00:34:01.345 --> 00:34:03.885
<00:34:01.345>and <00:34:01.520>we're, <00:34:01.695>we're <00:34:01.870>paid <00:34:02.045>to <00:34:02.220>do <00:34:02.395>good <00:34:02.570>stuff, <00:34:02.745>right?

881
00:34:03.985 --> 00:34:07.485
<00:34:03.985>Should <00:34:04.159>look <00:34:04.334>good, <00:34:04.510>feel <00:34:04.685>good <00:34:04.860>being, <00:34:05.034>have <00:34:05.209>nice <00:34:05.385>UX

882
00:34:09.045 --> 00:34:11.345
<00:34:09.045>And <00:34:09.278>basically <00:34:09.511>not <00:34:09.745>look <00:34:09.978>the <00:34:10.211>same <00:34:10.445>everywhere.

883
00:34:11.345 --> 00:34:13.865
<00:34:11.344>That's <00:34:11.500>the <00:34:11.656>dream <00:34:11.811>that <00:34:11.967>people <00:34:12.122>always <00:34:12.278>try <00:34:12.433>to <00:34:12.589>go <00:34:12.745>for.

884
00:34:14.085 --> 00:34:17.745
<00:34:14.085>And <00:34:14.192>it <00:34:14.300>was <00:34:14.408>never <00:34:14.515>a <00:34:14.623>thing, <00:34:14.731>it <00:34:14.838>was <00:34:14.946>just, <00:34:15.054>it <00:34:15.161>was <00:34:15.269>always <00:34:15.377>a <00:34:15.485>lie.

885
00:34:18.785 --> 00:34:21.385
<00:34:18.784>Interesting <00:34:18.940>one <00:34:19.096>as <00:34:19.251>well. <00:34:19.407>Uh, <00:34:19.562>uh, <00:34:19.718>don't <00:34:19.873>force <00:34:20.029>dark <00:34:20.185>mode

886
00:34:21.515 --> 00:34:24.505
<00:34:21.514>where <00:34:21.690>people <00:34:21.864>were <00:34:22.040>basically, <00:34:22.214>he's, <00:34:22.389>he's <00:34:22.565>talking <00:34:22.739>about <00:34:22.915>like

887
00:34:24.505 --> 00:34:26.105
<00:34:24.505>that <00:34:24.785>dark <00:34:25.065>mode <00:34:25.345>is <00:34:25.625>super <00:34:25.905>annoying

888
00:34:26.205 --> 00:34:29.025
<00:34:26.205>and <00:34:26.404>uh, <00:34:26.605>uh, <00:34:26.804>there's <00:34:27.005>a, <00:34:27.205>there's <00:34:27.404>accessibility <00:34:27.605>problems

889
00:34:29.025 --> 00:34:32.345
<00:34:29.025>with <00:34:29.225>it <00:34:29.425>and <00:34:29.625>there's <00:34:29.825>accessibility <00:34:30.025>guidelines <00:34:30.225>for <00:34:30.425>it.

890
00:34:32.885 --> 00:34:34.225
<00:34:32.885>And <00:34:33.186>I <00:34:33.488>find <00:34:33.789>that <00:34:34.091>interesting

891
00:34:34.225 --> 00:34:37.865
<00:34:34.225>because <00:34:34.380>everybody <00:34:34.536>I <00:34:34.691>know <00:34:34.847>who's <00:34:35.002>like <00:34:35.158>a <00:34:35.313>half <00:34:35.469>knowledge <00:34:35.625>person

892
00:34:37.875 --> 00:34:39.745
<00:34:37.875>about <00:34:38.341>accessibility <00:34:38.808>tells <00:34:39.275>you

893
00:34:39.745 --> 00:34:41.385
<00:34:39.745>that <00:34:39.920>dark <00:34:40.094>mode <00:34:40.270>is <00:34:40.444>so <00:34:40.620>much <00:34:40.795>better <00:34:40.969>for <00:34:41.145>people.

894
00:34:41.585 --> 00:34:43.065
<00:34:41.585>'cause <00:34:41.851>it <00:34:42.117>doesn't <00:34:42.384>strain <00:34:42.650>your <00:34:42.917>eyes.

895
00:34:44.705 --> 00:34:45.865
<00:34:44.705>I <00:34:44.854>have <00:34:45.003>something <00:34:45.152>to <00:34:45.301>say <00:34:45.450>on <00:34:45.599>this <00:34:45.748>though.

896
00:34:46.025 --> 00:34:48.025
<00:34:46.025>'cause <00:34:46.305>I <00:34:46.585>think, <00:34:46.865>um, <00:34:47.145>it's, <00:34:47.425>again,

897
00:34:48.025 --> 00:34:50.585
<00:34:48.025>it's <00:34:48.225>talking <00:34:48.425>about <00:34:48.625>things <00:34:48.825>in <00:34:49.025>absolutes <00:34:49.225>and <00:34:49.425>extremes.

898
00:34:50.585 --> 00:34:52.865
<00:34:50.585>You <00:34:50.725>know, <00:34:50.865>everybody <00:34:51.005>says, <00:34:51.145>'cause <00:34:51.284>I <00:34:51.425>love, <00:34:51.565>I <00:34:51.705>love <00:34:51.845>dark <00:34:51.985>mode.

899
00:34:52.945 --> 00:34:54.585
<00:34:52.945>I <00:34:53.145>will <00:34:53.345>put <00:34:53.545>it <00:34:53.745>on <00:34:53.945>for <00:34:54.145>anything. <00:34:54.345>Okay.

900
00:34:54.845 --> 00:34:56.945
<00:34:54.844>Um, <00:34:55.044>I <00:34:55.245>don't <00:34:55.444>have <00:34:55.645>any <00:34:55.844>visual <00:34:56.044>impairments <00:34:56.245>though,

901
00:34:56.965 --> 00:34:58.585
<00:34:56.965>so <00:34:57.315>I'm <00:34:57.665>fairly, <00:34:58.015>I'm <00:34:58.365>making

902
00:34:58.585 --> 00:35:00.465
<00:34:58.585>that <00:34:58.785>decision <00:34:58.985>based <00:34:59.185>on <00:34:59.385>purely <00:34:59.585>which <00:34:59.785>I <00:34:59.985>want,

903
00:35:00.515 --> 00:35:01.825
<00:35:00.515>which <00:35:00.750>one <00:35:00.986>I <00:35:01.222>think <00:35:01.458>looks <00:35:01.694>better.

904
00:35:02.245 --> 00:35:04.905
<00:35:02.245>Um, <00:35:02.361>but <00:35:02.478>the <00:35:02.595>amount <00:35:02.711>of <00:35:02.828>times <00:35:02.944>that <00:35:03.061>I <00:35:03.178>see <00:35:03.295>like <00:35:03.411>a <00:35:03.528>Jet <00:35:03.645>Black,

905
00:35:05.085 --> 00:35:08.185
<00:35:05.085>you <00:35:05.260>know, <00:35:05.435>six <00:35:05.610>zeros <00:35:05.785>hex <00:35:05.960>code, <00:35:06.135>um, <00:35:06.310>being <00:35:06.485>used,

906
00:35:08.705 --> 00:35:10.865
<00:35:08.705>I <00:35:08.860>think <00:35:09.016>it <00:35:09.171>might <00:35:09.327>even <00:35:09.482>be <00:35:09.638>on <00:35:09.793>the <00:35:09.949>Versale <00:35:10.105>homepage.

907
00:35:10.985 --> 00:35:12.305
<00:35:10.985>I <00:35:11.183>think <00:35:11.381>that's <00:35:11.579>their <00:35:11.777>brand, <00:35:11.975>you <00:35:12.173>know,

908
00:35:12.305 --> 00:35:14.225
<00:35:12.305>which <00:35:12.460>you <00:35:12.616>think <00:35:12.771>is <00:35:12.927>kinda <00:35:13.082>the <00:35:13.238>home <00:35:13.393>of <00:35:13.549>next <00:35:13.705>Js.

909
00:35:14.285 --> 00:35:16.545
<00:35:14.285>So <00:35:14.460>then <00:35:14.634>it <00:35:14.810>inspires <00:35:14.984>so <00:35:15.160>much <00:35:15.335>of <00:35:15.509>that <00:35:15.685>design.

910
00:35:16.645 --> 00:35:19.265
<00:35:16.645>But, <00:35:16.785>um, <00:35:16.925>the <00:35:17.065>amount <00:35:17.205>of <00:35:17.345>times <00:35:17.485>that <00:35:17.625>I <00:35:17.765>see <00:35:17.905>that <00:35:18.045>where

911
00:35:19.865 --> 00:35:22.305
<00:35:19.865>somebody <00:35:20.020>has <00:35:20.176>taken <00:35:20.331>that <00:35:20.487>idea <00:35:20.642>of <00:35:20.798>dark <00:35:20.953>mode <00:35:21.109>being <00:35:21.265>more

912
00:35:22.315 --> 00:35:25.985
<00:35:22.315>accessible <00:35:22.455>and <00:35:22.595>gone <00:35:22.735>to <00:35:22.875>the <00:35:23.015>extreme, <00:35:23.155>and <00:35:23.295>I <00:35:23.435>love <00:35:23.575>this <00:35:23.715>article

913
00:35:25.985 --> 00:35:28.465
<00:35:25.985>because <00:35:26.265>they <00:35:26.545>show <00:35:26.825>you, <00:35:27.105>um, <00:35:27.385>what

914
00:35:28.465 --> 00:35:29.625
<00:35:28.465>what <00:35:28.813>this <00:35:29.161>person <00:35:29.509>experiences.

915
00:35:29.695 --> 00:35:30.785
<00:35:29.695>They <00:35:29.891>show <00:35:30.087>you <00:35:30.283>the <00:35:30.479>before <00:35:30.676>and

916
00:35:30.785 --> 00:35:32.865
<00:35:30.785>after <00:35:30.940>they've <00:35:31.096>done <00:35:31.251>some <00:35:31.407>banding <00:35:31.562>on <00:35:31.718>one <00:35:31.873>of <00:35:32.029>the <00:35:32.185>images

917
00:35:33.045 --> 00:35:36.465
<00:35:33.045>and <00:35:33.172>I <00:35:33.299>had <00:35:33.426>no <00:35:33.554>idea <00:35:33.681>that <00:35:33.808>that <00:35:33.935>was, <00:35:34.063>uh, <00:35:34.190>um, <00:35:34.317>a <00:35:34.445>result

918
00:35:36.465 --> 00:35:37.845
<00:35:36.465>for <00:35:36.713>some <00:35:36.961>people <00:35:37.210>for <00:35:37.458>dark <00:35:37.707>mode.

919
00:35:37.865 --> 00:35:40.165
<00:35:37.865>So <00:35:38.020>that, <00:35:38.176>that's <00:35:38.331>a <00:35:38.487>great <00:35:38.642>article. <00:35:38.798>It <00:35:38.953>proves <00:35:39.109>the <00:35:39.265>point.

920
00:35:40.185 --> 00:35:42.685
<00:35:40.185>It <00:35:40.384>really <00:35:40.585>gets <00:35:40.785>you <00:35:40.985>thinking, <00:35:41.185>um, <00:35:41.384>yeah, <00:35:41.585>just,

921
00:35:42.685 --> 00:35:44.325
<00:35:42.685>just <00:35:43.035>know <00:35:43.384>six <00:35:43.735>zeros <00:35:44.085>please.

922
00:35:45.565 --> 00:35:47.325
<00:35:45.565>I <00:35:45.765>really <00:35:45.965>want <00:35:46.165>to, <00:35:46.365>especially <00:35:46.565>you <00:35:46.765>only <00:35:46.965>need,

923
00:35:47.325 --> 00:35:48.405
<00:35:47.325>you <00:35:47.519>only <00:35:47.713>need <00:35:47.908>three <00:35:48.102>this <00:35:48.297>year

924
00:35:48.465 --> 00:35:49.845
<00:35:48.465>as <00:35:48.672>parser <00:35:48.879>does <00:35:49.086>the <00:35:49.293>rest <00:35:49.500>for <00:35:49.707>you.

925
00:35:50.305 --> 00:35:53.085
<00:35:50.305>Um, <00:35:50.460>the, <00:35:50.616>the, <00:35:50.771>the <00:35:50.927>thing <00:35:51.082>that <00:35:51.238>annoys <00:35:51.393>me <00:35:51.549>about <00:35:51.705>is

926
00:35:53.085 --> 00:35:55.405
<00:35:53.085>how <00:35:53.240>many <00:35:53.396>people <00:35:53.551>think <00:35:53.707>that <00:35:53.862>dark <00:35:54.018>mode <00:35:54.173>is <00:35:54.329>actually <00:35:54.485>an

927
00:35:55.405 --> 00:35:57.725
<00:35:55.405>accessibility <00:35:55.638>feature <00:35:55.871>and <00:35:56.105>that <00:35:56.338>it's <00:35:56.571>basically <00:35:56.805>something

928
00:35:57.725 --> 00:35:59.045
<00:35:57.725>that, <00:35:58.121>that <00:35:58.517>people <00:35:58.913>need.

929
00:35:59.235 --> 00:36:02.165
<00:35:59.235>It's, <00:35:59.362>uh, <00:35:59.489>it <00:35:59.616>is <00:35:59.744>to <00:35:59.871>a <00:35:59.998>degree <00:36:00.125>a, <00:36:00.253>a <00:36:00.380>a <00:36:00.507>a <00:36:00.635>choice

930
00:36:02.165 --> 00:36:05.325
<00:36:02.165>that <00:36:02.340>people <00:36:02.515>have, <00:36:02.690>but <00:36:02.865>the <00:36:03.040>real <00:36:03.215>accessibility <00:36:03.390>feature <00:36:03.565>is

931
00:36:05.645 --> 00:36:07.525
<00:36:05.645>actually <00:36:05.925>the, <00:36:06.205>the <00:36:06.485>high <00:36:06.765>contrast <00:36:07.045>mode.

932
00:36:08.105 --> 00:36:11.445
<00:36:08.105>And <00:36:08.245>people <00:36:08.385>to <00:36:08.525>actually <00:36:08.665>don't <00:36:08.805>use <00:36:08.945>that <00:36:09.085>at <00:36:09.225>all <00:36:09.365>like <00:36:09.505>that,

933
00:36:11.445 --> 00:36:14.085
<00:36:11.445>they <00:36:11.600>don't <00:36:11.756>understand <00:36:11.911>that <00:36:12.067>you <00:36:12.222>need <00:36:12.378>to <00:36:12.533>write <00:36:12.689>your <00:36:12.845>CSS

934
00:36:14.085 --> 00:36:17.445
<00:36:14.085>to <00:36:14.225>support <00:36:14.365>that <00:36:14.505>as <00:36:14.645>well <00:36:14.785>with <00:36:14.925>like <00:36:15.065>os <00:36:15.205>given, <00:36:15.345>uh, <00:36:15.485>names

935
00:36:17.585 --> 00:36:20.005
<00:36:17.585>for <00:36:17.760>colors <00:36:17.935>rather <00:36:18.110>than <00:36:18.285>colors <00:36:18.460>that <00:36:18.635>you <00:36:18.810>define <00:36:18.985>yourself.

936
00:36:20.425 --> 00:36:24.125
<00:36:20.425>And <00:36:20.565>that's <00:36:20.705>like <00:36:20.845>8% <00:36:20.985>of <00:36:21.125>Windows <00:36:21.265>users <00:36:21.405>need <00:36:21.545>that, <00:36:21.685>that <00:36:21.825>thing.

937
00:36:24.125 --> 00:36:26.565
<00:36:24.125>And <00:36:24.358>that <00:36:24.591>means <00:36:24.825>background <00:36:25.058>images <00:36:25.291>are <00:36:25.525>gone.

938
00:36:26.895 --> 00:36:28.245
<00:36:26.895>Every <00:36:27.138>link <00:36:27.381>will <00:36:27.624>always <00:36:27.866>be <00:36:28.109>yellow,

939
00:36:28.305 --> 00:36:29.445
<00:36:28.305>the <00:36:28.510>text <00:36:28.715>will <00:36:28.920>always <00:36:29.125>be <00:36:29.331>black.

940
00:36:29.445 --> 00:36:31.365
<00:36:29.445>And <00:36:29.725>that's <00:36:30.005>basically <00:36:30.285>people <00:36:30.565>need <00:36:30.845>this

941
00:36:31.825 --> 00:36:34.885
<00:36:31.825>and <00:36:31.980>can <00:36:32.136>turn <00:36:32.291>the <00:36:32.447>whole <00:36:32.602>operating <00:36:32.758>system <00:36:32.913>into <00:36:33.069>this <00:36:33.225>mode.

942
00:36:35.305 --> 00:36:37.845
<00:36:35.305>But, <00:36:35.480>uh, <00:36:35.654>uh, <00:36:35.830>people <00:36:36.004>get <00:36:36.180>super <00:36:36.355>excited <00:36:36.529>about <00:36:36.705>dark

943
00:36:37.845 --> 00:36:40.525
<00:36:37.845>and <00:36:38.000>light <00:36:38.156>mode <00:36:38.311>and <00:36:38.467>even <00:36:38.622>more <00:36:38.778>annoying <00:36:38.933>when <00:36:39.089>people <00:36:39.245>just

944
00:36:40.525 --> 00:36:44.485
<00:36:40.525>basically <00:36:40.665>go, <00:36:40.805>uh, <00:36:40.945>for <00:36:41.085>like, <00:36:41.225>uh, <00:36:41.365>uh, <00:36:41.505>go <00:36:41.645>for <00:36:41.785>like <00:36:41.925>dark

945
00:36:44.485 --> 00:36:45.765
<00:36:44.485>and <00:36:44.869>light <00:36:45.253>mode <00:36:45.636>switches,

946
00:36:45.765 --> 00:36:47.965
<00:36:45.765>which <00:36:45.998>is <00:36:46.231>already <00:36:46.464>in <00:36:46.698>your <00:36:46.931>operating <00:36:47.165>system.

947
00:36:48.825 --> 00:36:51.885
<00:36:48.825>Now <00:36:48.964>Stefan, <00:36:49.105>I <00:36:49.245>guess <00:36:49.384>you <00:36:49.524>have <00:36:49.665>a <00:36:49.805>different <00:36:49.944>opinion <00:36:50.085>on <00:36:50.225>that.

948
00:36:52.045 --> 00:36:53.085
<00:36:52.045>I <00:36:52.178>mean, <00:36:52.312>you, <00:36:52.446>you, <00:36:52.579>you <00:36:52.713>had <00:36:52.847>a <00:36:52.981>lot

949
00:36:53.085 --> 00:36:54.845
<00:36:53.085>of <00:36:53.365>posts <00:36:53.645>about <00:36:53.925>dark <00:36:54.205>light <00:36:54.485>CSS,

950
00:36:54.865 --> 00:36:57.125
<00:36:54.865>but <00:36:55.064>do <00:36:55.265>you <00:36:55.464>think <00:36:55.665>people <00:36:55.865>should <00:36:56.064>build <00:36:56.265>switchers

951
00:36:57.145 --> 00:36:58.925
<00:36:57.145>or <00:36:57.345>should <00:36:57.545>we <00:36:57.745>just <00:36:57.945>take <00:36:58.145>what <00:36:58.345>the <00:36:58.545>operating

952
00:36:58.925 --> 00:37:00.125
<00:36:58.925>system <00:36:59.195>does <00:36:59.465>and <00:36:59.735>show <00:37:00.005>up?

953
00:37:00.345 --> 00:37:03.005
<00:37:00.345>Oh, <00:37:00.500>that, <00:37:00.656>oh, <00:37:00.811>that <00:37:00.967>is <00:37:01.122>a <00:37:01.278>pep <00:37:01.433>topic <00:37:01.589>of <00:37:01.745>mine.

954
00:37:03.065 --> 00:37:06.125
<00:37:03.065>So <00:37:03.192>I <00:37:03.319>think <00:37:03.446>every <00:37:03.574>browser <00:37:03.701>should <00:37:03.828>have, <00:37:03.955>so <00:37:04.083>I'm <00:37:04.210>annoyed <00:37:04.337>by, <00:37:04.465>uh,

955
00:37:07.065 --> 00:37:09.765
<00:37:07.065>so <00:37:07.265>first <00:37:07.465>sentence <00:37:07.665>first, <00:37:07.865>accessibility <00:37:08.065>is <00:37:08.265>never <00:37:08.465>done

956
00:37:10.145 --> 00:37:12.285
<00:37:10.145>and, <00:37:10.425>uh, <00:37:10.705>nothing <00:37:10.985>is <00:37:11.265>100% <00:37:11.545>accessible.

957
00:37:12.285 --> 00:37:14.165
<00:37:12.285>And <00:37:12.484>I <00:37:12.685>think <00:37:12.884>that <00:37:13.085>is <00:37:13.285>something <00:37:13.484>that, <00:37:13.685>um,

958
00:37:14.545 --> 00:37:15.885
<00:37:14.545>you <00:37:14.746>have <00:37:14.947>to <00:37:15.148>keep <00:37:15.349>in <00:37:15.550>mind, <00:37:15.751>right?

959
00:37:16.265 --> 00:37:18.885
<00:37:16.265>You <00:37:16.440>can <00:37:16.615>write <00:37:16.790>the <00:37:16.964>same, <00:37:17.140>uh, <00:37:17.315>article <00:37:17.490>for <00:37:17.665>don't,

960
00:37:18.885 --> 00:37:20.565
<00:37:18.885>please <00:37:19.165>don't <00:37:19.445>force, <00:37:19.725>uh, <00:37:20.005>light <00:37:20.285>mode.

961
00:37:20.795 --> 00:37:23.125
<00:37:20.795>Same <00:37:20.950>thing. <00:37:21.106>That's, <00:37:21.261>my <00:37:21.417>websites <00:37:21.572>are <00:37:21.728>usually <00:37:21.883>in <00:37:22.039>light <00:37:22.195>mode.

962
00:37:23.125 --> 00:37:25.725
<00:37:23.125>Uh, <00:37:23.300>I <00:37:23.475>hear <00:37:23.650>the <00:37:23.825>same <00:37:24.000>thing. <00:37:24.175>Nothing <00:37:24.350>is <00:37:24.525>always

963
00:37:26.255 --> 00:37:27.565
<00:37:26.255>accessible <00:37:26.549>for <00:37:26.844>all <00:37:27.139>the <00:37:27.434>people.

964
00:37:27.565 --> 00:37:29.605
<00:37:27.565>That's <00:37:27.740>just <00:37:27.915>the <00:37:28.090>thing <00:37:28.265>when <00:37:28.440>it <00:37:28.615>comes <00:37:28.790>to <00:37:28.965>these,

965
00:37:29.665 --> 00:37:30.845
<00:37:29.665>uh, <00:37:29.930>color <00:37:30.196>kind <00:37:30.461>of <00:37:30.727>things.

966
00:37:31.265 --> 00:37:33.605
<00:37:31.265>Um, <00:37:31.464>operating <00:37:31.665>system <00:37:31.865>is <00:37:32.065>fine, <00:37:32.265>um, <00:37:32.464>I <00:37:32.665>guess,

967
00:37:33.605 --> 00:37:35.605
<00:37:33.605>but <00:37:33.838>operating <00:37:34.071>system <00:37:34.305>is <00:37:34.538>not <00:37:34.771>per <00:37:35.005>site.

968
00:37:36.265 --> 00:37:38.605
<00:37:36.265>Um, <00:37:36.464>what <00:37:36.665>I'm <00:37:36.865>actually <00:37:37.065>dreaming <00:37:37.265>is <00:37:37.464>of <00:37:37.665>is

969
00:37:38.605 --> 00:37:41.685
<00:37:38.605>that <00:37:38.780>browsers <00:37:38.955>would <00:37:39.130>actually <00:37:39.305>ship <00:37:39.480>something <00:37:39.655>that <00:37:39.830>is <00:37:40.005>kind

970
00:37:41.685 --> 00:37:44.485
<00:37:41.685>of <00:37:41.840>like <00:37:41.996>reader <00:37:42.151>mode <00:37:42.307>config <00:37:42.462>on <00:37:42.618>a <00:37:42.773>per <00:37:42.929>site <00:37:43.085>basis.

971
00:37:45.105 --> 00:37:46.765
<00:37:45.105>We <00:37:45.280>have <00:37:45.455>that <00:37:45.630>a <00:37:45.805>little <00:37:45.980>bit <00:37:46.155>that <00:37:46.330>the <00:37:46.505>browser

972
00:37:47.325 --> 00:37:49.485
<00:37:47.325>remembers <00:37:47.452>when <00:37:47.579>you <00:37:47.706>zoom <00:37:47.834>in <00:37:47.961>or <00:37:48.088>you <00:37:48.215>increase <00:37:48.343>the <00:37:48.470>font <00:37:48.597>size <00:37:48.725>on

973
00:37:49.485 --> 00:37:52.285
<00:37:49.485>a <00:37:49.640>per <00:37:49.796>page <00:37:49.951>basis <00:37:50.107>with <00:37:50.262>command <00:37:50.418>plus <00:37:50.573>and <00:37:50.729>command <00:37:50.885>minus,

974
00:37:52.705 --> 00:37:55.005
<00:37:52.705>but <00:37:52.832>you <00:37:52.959>kind <00:37:53.086>of <00:37:53.214>flip <00:37:53.341>the <00:37:53.468>dark <00:37:53.595>mode <00:37:53.723>or <00:37:53.850>do <00:37:53.977>more <00:37:54.105>things.

975
00:37:55.065 --> 00:37:58.845
<00:37:55.065>So <00:37:55.192>I <00:37:55.319>would <00:37:55.446>love <00:37:55.574>to <00:37:55.701>have <00:37:55.828>an <00:37:55.955>interface <00:37:56.083>on <00:37:56.210>an <00:37:56.337>origin <00:37:56.465>basis

976
00:37:59.475 --> 00:38:02.685
<00:37:59.475>that <00:37:59.615>allows <00:37:59.755>me <00:37:59.895>to <00:38:00.035>kind <00:38:00.174>of <00:38:00.315>control <00:38:00.455>color <00:38:00.595>control <00:38:00.735>font <00:38:00.875>sizes,

977
00:38:02.685 --> 00:38:04.485
<00:38:02.685>control <00:38:03.151>motion <00:38:03.618>maybe, <00:38:04.085>right?

978
00:38:04.725 --> 00:38:08.645
<00:38:04.725>I, <00:38:04.852>I'm, <00:38:04.979>I <00:38:05.106>probably, <00:38:05.234>I <00:38:05.361>don't <00:38:05.488>want <00:38:05.615>to <00:38:05.743>turn <00:38:05.870>on <00:38:05.997>motion, <00:38:06.125>uh,

979
00:38:08.745 --> 00:38:12.445
<00:38:08.745>on <00:38:08.872>all <00:38:08.999>the <00:38:09.126>sites, <00:38:09.254>but <00:38:09.381>some <00:38:09.508>sites <00:38:09.635>are <00:38:09.763>just <00:38:09.890>going <00:38:10.017>wild, <00:38:10.145>right?

980
00:38:12.505 --> 00:38:14.485
<00:38:12.505>So <00:38:12.612>I <00:38:12.720>want <00:38:12.828>just <00:38:12.935>want <00:38:13.043>to <00:38:13.151>turn <00:38:13.258>it <00:38:13.366>off <00:38:13.474>for <00:38:13.581>these <00:38:13.689>kind <00:38:13.797>of <00:38:13.905>things.

981
00:38:14.785 --> 00:38:16.765
<00:38:14.785>So <00:38:14.984>I <00:38:15.185>think <00:38:15.384>there's <00:38:15.585>an <00:38:15.785>opportunity <00:38:15.984>for <00:38:16.185>browsers

982
00:38:16.765 --> 00:38:19.085
<00:38:16.765>to <00:38:16.998>have <00:38:17.231>this <00:38:17.464>kind <00:38:17.698>of <00:38:17.931>control <00:38:18.165>center

983
00:38:19.225 --> 00:38:20.765
<00:38:19.225>or <00:38:19.456>widget <00:38:19.687>on <00:38:19.917>a <00:38:20.149>per <00:38:20.380>origin <00:38:20.611>basis,

984
00:38:20.825 --> 00:38:23.125
<00:38:20.825>and <00:38:20.980>this <00:38:21.136>is <00:38:21.291>how <00:38:21.447>I <00:38:21.602>would <00:38:21.758>see <00:38:21.913>it <00:38:22.069>until <00:38:22.225>then.

985
00:38:23.345 --> 00:38:26.285
<00:38:23.345>Um, <00:38:23.520>if <00:38:23.694>someone <00:38:23.870>puts <00:38:24.044>my, <00:38:24.220>uh, <00:38:24.395>dark <00:38:24.569>mode <00:38:24.745>choice

986
00:38:26.305 --> 00:38:27.965
<00:38:26.305>or <00:38:26.538>light <00:38:26.771>mode <00:38:27.004>choice <00:38:27.238>into <00:38:27.471>local <00:38:27.705>storage

987
00:38:27.985 --> 00:38:29.885
<00:38:27.985>and <00:38:28.125>gives <00:38:28.265>me <00:38:28.405>a <00:38:28.545>widget, <00:38:28.685>I <00:38:28.825>think <00:38:28.965>I'm <00:38:29.105>good <00:38:29.245>with <00:38:29.385>that.

988
00:38:31.405 --> 00:38:33.605
<00:38:31.405>I <00:38:31.545>always <00:38:31.685>loved <00:38:31.825>the <00:38:31.965>ones, <00:38:32.105>like <00:38:32.245>back <00:38:32.385>in <00:38:32.525>the <00:38:32.665>days <00:38:32.805>when,

989
00:38:33.605 --> 00:38:36.085
<00:38:33.605>when <00:38:33.838>Internet <00:38:34.071>Explorer <00:38:34.305>six <00:38:34.538>didn't <00:38:34.771>resize <00:38:35.005>fonts

990
00:38:36.085 --> 00:38:37.405
<00:38:36.085>that <00:38:36.322>were <00:38:36.560>pixel <00:38:36.797>based <00:38:37.035>and <00:38:37.273>people

991
00:38:37.405 --> 00:38:39.365
<00:38:37.405>with <00:38:37.685>their <00:38:37.965>own <00:38:38.245>pixel <00:38:38.525>resizing <00:38:38.805>thing,

992
00:38:39.785 --> 00:38:41.405
<00:38:39.785>and <00:38:40.065>then <00:38:40.345>they <00:38:40.625>basically <00:38:40.904>made <00:38:41.185>diffs

993
00:38:41.405 --> 00:38:42.805
<00:38:41.405>that <00:38:41.720>are <00:38:42.035>not <00:38:42.350>keyboard <00:38:42.665>accessible.

994
00:38:43.075 --> 00:38:46.285
<00:38:43.075>Yeah. <00:38:43.250>So <00:38:43.424>they, <00:38:43.600>they <00:38:43.774>built <00:38:43.950>an <00:38:44.125>extra <00:38:44.299>accessibility <00:38:44.475>feature

995
00:38:46.285 --> 00:38:49.005
<00:38:46.285>that <00:38:46.424>was <00:38:46.565>not <00:38:46.705>available <00:38:46.845>and <00:38:46.984>it <00:38:47.125>was <00:38:47.265>just <00:38:47.404>cracking <00:38:47.545>me <00:38:47.685>up.

996
00:38:49.005 --> 00:38:52.005
<00:38:49.005>This <00:38:49.180>is <00:38:49.355>just <00:38:49.530>a <00:38:49.705>very <00:38:49.880>interesting, <00:38:50.055>uh, <00:38:50.230>way <00:38:50.405>of,

997
00:38:52.145 --> 00:38:53.885
<00:38:52.145>of <00:38:52.495>putting <00:38:52.845>extra <00:38:53.195>features <00:38:53.545>in

998
00:38:53.885 --> 00:38:56.045
<00:38:53.885>and <00:38:54.118>it <00:38:54.351>gave <00:38:54.585>accessibility <00:38:54.818>a <00:38:55.051>bad <00:38:55.285>reputation

999
00:38:56.045 --> 00:38:57.125
<00:38:56.045>because <00:38:56.288>it <00:38:56.531>meant <00:38:56.774>like, <00:38:57.017>oh,

1000
00:38:57.125 --> 00:38:58.645
<00:38:57.125>we <00:38:57.320>put <00:38:57.515>all <00:38:57.711>this <00:38:57.906>effort <00:38:58.102>in <00:38:58.297>building <00:38:58.493>this

1001
00:38:58.665 --> 00:39:00.165
<00:38:58.665>and <00:38:58.890>then <00:38:59.115>it <00:38:59.340>wasn't <00:38:59.565>good <00:38:59.790>enough <00:39:00.015>either.

1002
00:39:00.185 --> 00:39:01.765
<00:39:00.185>And <00:39:00.384>you're <00:39:00.585>like, <00:39:00.785>yeah, <00:39:00.985>because <00:39:01.185>you <00:39:01.384>built <00:39:01.585>crap.

1003
00:39:02.145 --> 00:39:04.605
<00:39:02.145>That's <00:39:02.320>a <00:39:02.495>difference. <00:39:02.670>But <00:39:02.845>like, <00:39:03.020>uh, <00:39:03.195>uh, <00:39:03.370>it's, <00:39:03.545>uh,

1004
00:39:04.605 --> 00:39:07.885
<00:39:04.605>it <00:39:04.732>was <00:39:04.859>interesting <00:39:04.986>to <00:39:05.114>see <00:39:05.241>that <00:39:05.368>that <00:39:05.495>is <00:39:05.623>still, <00:39:05.750>uh, <00:39:05.877>I <00:39:06.005>see,

1005
00:39:07.965 --> 00:39:09.525
<00:39:07.965>I <00:39:08.245>see <00:39:08.525>darkened <00:39:08.805>light <00:39:09.085>mode <00:39:09.365>switches

1006
00:39:09.525 --> 00:39:11.125
<00:39:09.525>that <00:39:09.725>are <00:39:09.925>not <00:39:10.125>keyboard <00:39:10.325>accessible <00:39:10.525>as <00:39:10.725>well, <00:39:10.925>so

1007
00:39:11.125 --> 00:39:13.805
<00:39:11.125>that's <00:39:11.300>really <00:39:11.475>not <00:39:11.650>something <00:39:11.825>that <00:39:12.000>people <00:39:12.175>should <00:39:12.350>be <00:39:12.525>doing.

1008
00:39:14.745 --> 00:39:16.765
<00:39:14.745>And <00:39:14.944>yeah, <00:39:15.145>I <00:39:15.345>mean, <00:39:15.545>dark <00:39:15.745>mode <00:39:15.944>is <00:39:16.145>great

1009
00:39:16.765 --> 00:39:18.605
<00:39:16.765>because <00:39:17.231>light <00:39:17.698>attracts <00:39:18.165>bug.

1010
00:39:18.745 --> 00:39:20.565
<00:39:18.745>So <00:39:19.025>basically <00:39:19.305>always <00:39:19.585>use <00:39:19.865>dark <00:39:20.145>mode.

1011
00:39:22.035 --> 00:39:24.965
<00:39:22.035>There's <00:39:22.174>two <00:39:22.315>articles <00:39:22.455>that <00:39:22.595>you <00:39:22.734>can <00:39:22.875>read <00:39:23.015>on <00:39:23.154>your <00:39:23.295>own <00:39:23.435>time,

1012
00:39:24.965 --> 00:39:27.085
<00:39:24.965>which <00:39:25.198>is <00:39:25.431>testing <00:39:25.665>accessibility <00:39:25.898>with <00:39:26.131>screen <00:39:26.365>readers

1013
00:39:27.145 --> 00:39:30.445
<00:39:27.145>and <00:39:27.320>getting <00:39:27.495>started <00:39:27.670>with <00:39:27.845>voiceover <00:39:28.020>on <00:39:28.195>MAC <00:39:28.370>and <00:39:28.545>NVDA.

1014
00:39:31.245 --> 00:39:34.205
<00:39:31.245>I <00:39:31.400>love <00:39:31.556>that <00:39:31.711>operating <00:39:31.867>systems <00:39:32.022>have <00:39:32.178>their <00:39:32.333>screen <00:39:32.489>readers <00:39:32.645>now,

1015
00:39:34.205 --> 00:39:36.245
<00:39:34.205>and <00:39:34.380>that <00:39:34.555>when <00:39:34.730>you <00:39:34.904>install <00:39:35.080>a <00:39:35.255>new <00:39:35.430>operating <00:39:35.605>system,

1016
00:39:36.305 --> 00:39:39.205
<00:39:36.305>it <00:39:36.460>actually <00:39:36.616>asks <00:39:36.771>you <00:39:36.927>if <00:39:37.082>you <00:39:37.238>can <00:39:37.393>see <00:39:37.549>or <00:39:37.705>not,

1017
00:39:39.305 --> 00:39:41.605
<00:39:39.305>and <00:39:39.585>actually <00:39:39.865>you <00:39:40.145>can <00:39:40.424>install <00:39:40.705>macros

1018
00:39:41.605 --> 00:39:43.485
<00:39:41.605>and <00:39:41.885>windows <00:39:42.165>without <00:39:42.445>actually <00:39:42.725>seeing <00:39:43.005>it.

1019
00:39:43.825 --> 00:39:46.645
<00:39:43.825>So <00:39:44.000>that's <00:39:44.174>pretty <00:39:44.350>amazing. <00:39:44.524>Um, <00:39:44.700>the <00:39:44.875>only <00:39:45.049>problem <00:39:45.225>is

1020
00:39:46.645 --> 00:39:49.805
<00:39:46.645>that <00:39:46.878>voiceover <00:39:47.111>and, <00:39:47.345>uh, <00:39:47.578>narrator <00:39:47.811>on, <00:39:48.045>uh,

1021
00:39:49.825 --> 00:39:52.925
<00:39:49.825>on <00:39:50.000>Windows <00:39:50.174>is <00:39:50.350>basically <00:39:50.524>the <00:39:50.700>least <00:39:50.875>used, <00:39:51.049>uh, <00:39:51.225>uh,

1022
00:39:52.925 --> 00:39:54.005
<00:39:52.925>screen <00:39:53.249>readers <00:39:53.573>out <00:39:53.897>there.

1023
00:39:54.145 --> 00:39:56.965
<00:39:54.145>So <00:39:54.300>when <00:39:54.456>you <00:39:54.611>get <00:39:54.767>used <00:39:54.922>to <00:39:55.078>them <00:39:55.233>as <00:39:55.389>a <00:39:55.545>developer,

1024
00:39:56.965 --> 00:40:00.325
<00:39:56.965>then <00:39:57.105>basically <00:39:57.245>your, <00:39:57.385>your <00:39:57.525>end <00:39:57.665>users <00:39:57.805>will <00:39:57.945>either <00:39:58.085>go <00:39:58.225>for <00:39:58.365>JAWS

1025
00:40:00.325 --> 00:40:01.885
<00:40:00.325>or <00:40:00.674>n <00:40:01.024>uh, <00:40:01.375>uh, <00:40:01.725>NBDA.

1026
00:40:02.505 --> 00:40:07.215
<00:40:02.505>So, <00:40:02.645>um, <00:40:02.785>I'm <00:40:02.925>not <00:40:03.065>sure, <00:40:03.205>I <00:40:03.345>mean, <00:40:03.485>it's <00:40:03.625>great <00:40:03.765>to <00:40:03.905>get

1027
00:40:07.315 --> 00:40:09.695
<00:40:07.315>to, <00:40:07.470>to <00:40:07.626>get <00:40:07.781>a <00:40:07.937>developer <00:40:08.092>to <00:40:08.248>use <00:40:08.403>a <00:40:08.559>screen <00:40:08.715>reader

1028
00:40:09.795 --> 00:40:13.055
<00:40:09.795>to <00:40:09.935>basically <00:40:10.075>get <00:40:10.215>them <00:40:10.355>some <00:40:10.495>idea <00:40:10.635>of <00:40:10.775>what <00:40:10.915>it <00:40:11.055>feels <00:40:11.195>like

1029
00:40:13.075 --> 00:40:16.015
<00:40:13.075>to <00:40:13.230>do <00:40:13.386>it, <00:40:13.541>but <00:40:13.697>it's, <00:40:13.852>uh, <00:40:14.008>it's <00:40:14.163>a <00:40:14.319>specialist <00:40:14.475>instrument.

1030
00:40:16.165 --> 00:40:17.775
<00:40:16.165>It's <00:40:16.445>for <00:40:16.725>experts <00:40:17.005>that <00:40:17.285>need <00:40:17.565>it.

1031
00:40:18.075 --> 00:40:20.055
<00:40:18.075>So <00:40:18.274>you <00:40:18.475>as <00:40:18.674>a <00:40:18.875>developer <00:40:19.075>can <00:40:19.274>spend <00:40:19.475>years

1032
00:40:20.055 --> 00:40:21.535
<00:40:20.055>and <00:40:20.321>years <00:40:20.587>trying <00:40:20.854>to <00:40:21.120>understand <00:40:21.386>it

1033
00:40:21.955 --> 00:40:24.735
<00:40:21.955>or, <00:40:22.154>uh, <00:40:22.355>uh, <00:40:22.555>basically <00:40:22.755>just <00:40:22.955>partner <00:40:23.154>with <00:40:23.355>somebody

1034
00:40:24.795 --> 00:40:27.375
<00:40:24.795>who <00:40:24.970>needs <00:40:25.145>it <00:40:25.320>as <00:40:25.495>a <00:40:25.670>tester <00:40:25.845>to <00:40:26.020>do <00:40:26.195>it.

1035
00:40:27.395 --> 00:40:29.175
<00:40:27.395>So <00:40:27.628>for <00:40:27.861>a <00:40:28.095>first <00:40:28.328>impression, <00:40:28.561>it's <00:40:28.795>great,

1036
00:40:29.555 --> 00:40:32.375
<00:40:29.555>but <00:40:29.682>I <00:40:29.809>think <00:40:29.936>it's <00:40:30.064>a, <00:40:30.191>it <00:40:30.318>is <00:40:30.445>really <00:40:30.573>dangerous <00:40:30.700>to <00:40:30.827>tell <00:40:30.955>people

1037
00:40:32.375 --> 00:40:34.335
<00:40:32.375>that <00:40:32.575>every <00:40:32.775>developer <00:40:32.975>needs <00:40:33.175>to <00:40:33.375>know <00:40:33.575>screen <00:40:33.775>readers.

1038
00:40:34.395 --> 00:40:35.695
<00:40:34.395>What's <00:40:34.687>your <00:40:34.980>ideas <00:40:35.272>on <00:40:35.565>that?

1039
00:40:36.215 --> 00:40:38.215
<00:40:36.215>I <00:40:36.448>mean, <00:40:36.681>that <00:40:36.915>is <00:40:37.148>a <00:40:37.381>very <00:40:37.615>delicate

1040
00:40:38.235 --> 00:40:39.775
<00:40:38.235>and <00:40:38.697>complicated <00:40:39.159>topic, <00:40:39.621>right?

1041
00:40:39.795 --> 00:40:44.455
<00:40:39.795>So <00:40:39.902>I <00:40:40.010>do <00:40:40.118>agree <00:40:40.225>that <00:40:40.333>I, <00:40:40.441>I <00:40:40.548>would <00:40:40.656>say <00:40:40.764>that <00:40:40.871>a <00:40:40.979>basic <00:40:41.087>knowledge <00:40:41.195>of

1042
00:40:44.515 --> 00:40:47.535
<00:40:44.515>how <00:40:44.642>a <00:40:44.769>screen <00:40:44.896>user, <00:40:45.024>a <00:40:45.151>screen <00:40:45.278>reader <00:40:45.405>is <00:40:45.533>used <00:40:45.660>on <00:40:45.787>any <00:40:45.915>platform

1043
00:40:47.555 --> 00:40:50.935
<00:40:47.555>or <00:40:47.682>on <00:40:47.809>your <00:40:47.936>platform, <00:40:48.064>um, <00:40:48.191>I <00:40:48.318>think <00:40:48.445>is <00:40:48.573>a <00:40:48.700>good <00:40:48.827>thing <00:40:48.955>just

1044
00:40:50.935 --> 00:40:53.135
<00:40:50.935>to <00:40:51.134>understand <00:40:51.335>how <00:40:51.535>this <00:40:51.735>thing <00:40:51.935>is <00:40:52.134>used, <00:40:52.335>right?

1045
00:40:53.135 --> 00:40:54.695
<00:40:53.135>People <00:40:53.415>don't <00:40:53.695>tap <00:40:53.975>all <00:40:54.255>the <00:40:54.535>time.

1046
00:40:54.805 --> 00:40:57.455
<00:40:54.805>They <00:40:54.980>can <00:40:55.154>navigate <00:40:55.330>the <00:40:55.504>web <00:40:55.680>in <00:40:55.855>a <00:40:56.029>different <00:40:56.205>way.

1047
00:40:57.685 --> 00:40:59.815
<00:40:57.685>This <00:40:57.884>is <00:40:58.085>good, <00:40:58.285>good <00:40:58.485>knowledge <00:40:58.685>to, <00:40:58.884>to <00:40:59.085>have.

1048
00:41:00.475 --> 00:41:04.215
<00:41:00.475>Um, <00:41:00.615>but <00:41:00.755>I <00:41:00.895>would, <00:41:01.035>but <00:41:01.174>I <00:41:01.315>hundred <00:41:01.455>percent <00:41:01.595>agree <00:41:01.735>with <00:41:01.875>you,

1049
00:41:04.215 --> 00:41:06.295
<00:41:04.215>Chris, <00:41:04.448>that <00:41:04.681>this <00:41:04.915>kind <00:41:05.148>of <00:41:05.381>maybe <00:41:05.615>a

1050
00:41:06.425 --> 00:41:07.935
<00:41:06.425>profession <00:41:06.764>on <00:41:07.104>its <00:41:07.444>own, <00:41:07.784>right?

1051
00:41:07.935 --> 00:41:10.735
<00:41:07.935>Because <00:41:08.134>it's <00:41:08.335>not <00:41:08.535>only <00:41:08.735>like <00:41:08.935>a <00:41:09.134>skillset, <00:41:09.335>how

1052
00:41:10.735 --> 00:41:13.575
<00:41:10.735>to <00:41:10.910>navigate <00:41:11.085>something <00:41:11.260>with <00:41:11.435>NVDA <00:41:11.610>or, <00:41:11.785>uh, <00:41:11.960>make, <00:41:12.135>uh,

1053
00:41:13.635 --> 00:41:14.895
<00:41:13.635>or <00:41:14.202>voiceover <00:41:14.769>something.

1054
00:41:15.125 --> 00:41:16.695
<00:41:15.125>It's <00:41:15.591>also <00:41:16.058>this <00:41:16.525>technical,

1055
00:41:16.915 --> 00:41:18.375
<00:41:16.915>it <00:41:17.102>has <00:41:17.290>a <00:41:17.478>technical <00:41:17.665>side <00:41:17.853>to <00:41:18.041>it, <00:41:18.229>right?

1056
00:41:18.375 --> 00:41:20.735
<00:41:18.375>So <00:41:18.550>for <00:41:18.725>example, <00:41:18.900>I <00:41:19.075>very <00:41:19.250>often <00:41:19.425>read <00:41:19.600>the, <00:41:19.775>the,

1057
00:41:20.795 --> 00:41:25.095
<00:41:20.795>the <00:41:21.028>blog <00:41:21.261>post <00:41:21.495>from <00:41:21.728>Adrian <00:41:21.961>Rose <00:41:22.195>Rose,

1058
00:41:26.075 --> 00:41:27.415
<00:41:26.075>and <00:41:26.477>this <00:41:26.879>is <00:41:27.281>wild

1059
00:41:27.415 --> 00:41:30.815
<00:41:27.415>because <00:41:27.695>screen <00:41:27.975>readers, <00:41:28.255>browser <00:41:28.535>combinations, <00:41:28.815>versions,

1060
00:41:30.995 --> 00:41:33.645
<00:41:30.995>all <00:41:31.150>the <00:41:31.306>things <00:41:31.461>that <00:41:31.617>we <00:41:31.772>do <00:41:31.928>with <00:41:32.083>the <00:41:32.239>browser <00:41:32.395>combination

1061
00:41:33.645 --> 00:41:36.725
<00:41:33.645>with <00:41:33.820>web <00:41:33.995>platform <00:41:34.170>capabilities, <00:41:34.345>we <00:41:34.520>just <00:41:34.695>have <00:41:34.870>another <00:41:35.045>layer

1062
00:41:37.065 --> 00:41:38.765
<00:41:37.065>of <00:41:37.415>this, <00:41:37.765>which <00:41:38.115>screen <00:41:38.465>reader

1063
00:41:38.835 --> 00:41:41.605
<00:41:38.835>with <00:41:39.035>which <00:41:39.235>browser <00:41:39.435>on <00:41:39.635>which <00:41:39.835>version <00:41:40.035>supports <00:41:40.235>what

1064
00:41:41.745 --> 00:41:45.125
<00:41:41.745>and <00:41:41.900>what <00:41:42.056>kind <00:41:42.211>of <00:41:42.367>experience <00:41:42.522>give <00:41:42.678>that <00:41:42.833>for <00:41:42.989>some <00:41:43.145>users.

1065
00:41:45.985 --> 00:41:49.285
<00:41:45.985>I'm <00:41:46.101>not, <00:41:46.218>I <00:41:46.335>would <00:41:46.451>never <00:41:46.568>say <00:41:46.685>this <00:41:46.801>is <00:41:46.918>100% <00:41:47.035>tested <00:41:47.151>in <00:41:47.268>all <00:41:47.385>the

1066
00:41:49.285 --> 00:41:52.005
<00:41:49.285>screen <00:41:49.440>readers <00:41:49.596>because <00:41:49.751>this <00:41:49.907>is <00:41:50.062>a <00:41:50.218>hell <00:41:50.373>of <00:41:50.529>a <00:41:50.685>job

1067
00:41:52.385 --> 00:41:54.165
<00:41:52.385>and <00:41:52.560>I'm <00:41:52.735>not <00:41:52.910>pretending <00:41:53.085>that <00:41:53.260>I <00:41:53.435>can <00:41:53.610>say, <00:41:53.785>Hey,

1068
00:41:54.165 --> 00:41:56.805
<00:41:54.165>this <00:41:54.340>is <00:41:54.515>1% <00:41:54.690>accessible <00:41:54.865>because <00:41:55.040>what <00:41:55.215>Adrian <00:41:55.390>does <00:41:55.565>there

1069
00:41:56.805 --> 00:42:00.205
<00:41:56.805>and <00:41:56.944>what <00:41:57.085>all <00:41:57.225>the <00:41:57.365>great <00:41:57.504>accessibility <00:41:57.645>folks <00:41:57.785>do <00:41:57.924>out <00:41:58.065>there <00:41:58.205>when

1070
00:42:00.205 --> 00:42:02.365
<00:42:00.205>they <00:42:00.332>do <00:42:00.459>audits <00:42:00.586>and <00:42:00.714>all <00:42:00.841>these <00:42:00.968>kind <00:42:01.095>of <00:42:01.223>things, <00:42:01.350>I <00:42:01.477>think <00:42:01.605>it's,

1071
00:42:02.365 --> 00:42:04.125
<00:42:02.365>yeah, <00:42:02.598>it's <00:42:02.831>a <00:42:03.064>profess <00:42:03.298>professional <00:42:03.531>its <00:42:03.765>own

1072
00:42:04.305 --> 00:42:05.645
<00:42:04.305>and <00:42:04.606>it's <00:42:04.908>massive <00:42:05.209>for <00:42:05.511>sure.

1073
00:42:06.475 --> 00:42:08.405
<00:42:06.475>User <00:42:06.650>testing <00:42:06.825>is <00:42:07.000>another <00:42:07.174>thing <00:42:07.350>that <00:42:07.525>you <00:42:07.700>should <00:42:07.875>do.

1074
00:42:08.765 --> 00:42:11.765
<00:42:08.765>Probably <00:42:08.904>if <00:42:09.045>you <00:42:09.185>have <00:42:09.325>some <00:42:09.464>people <00:42:09.605>that <00:42:09.745>have <00:42:09.884>a <00:42:10.025>screen <00:42:10.165>reader,

1075
00:42:12.065 --> 00:42:14.325
<00:42:12.065>uh, <00:42:12.220>knowledge, <00:42:12.376>just, <00:42:12.531>uh, <00:42:12.687>let <00:42:12.842>'em <00:42:12.998>play <00:42:13.153>around <00:42:13.309>with <00:42:13.465>it.

1076
00:42:15.155 --> 00:42:17.165
<00:42:15.155>Yeah, <00:42:15.355>I <00:42:15.555>was <00:42:15.755>thinking <00:42:15.955>about <00:42:16.155>getting <00:42:16.355>Marco <00:42:16.555>there

1077
00:42:17.345 --> 00:42:20.325
<00:42:17.345>and, <00:42:17.484>uh, <00:42:17.625>a <00:42:17.765>few <00:42:17.904>other <00:42:18.044>blind, <00:42:18.185>uh, <00:42:18.325>developers <00:42:18.464>that <00:42:18.605>I <00:42:18.745>worked

1078
00:42:20.325 --> 00:42:22.445
<00:42:20.325>with <00:42:20.480>in <00:42:20.636>the <00:42:20.791>past <00:42:20.947>on <00:42:21.102>the, <00:42:21.258>uh, <00:42:21.413>on <00:42:21.569>the <00:42:21.725>show.

1079
00:42:22.865 --> 00:42:24.845
<00:42:22.865>Uh, <00:42:23.004>I <00:42:23.145>wonder <00:42:23.285>if <00:42:23.424>that <00:42:23.564>makes <00:42:23.705>more <00:42:23.845>sense <00:42:23.984>to <00:42:24.125>do <00:42:24.265>it

1080
00:42:24.845 --> 00:42:25.845
<00:42:24.845>as <00:42:25.024>an <00:42:25.205>audio <00:42:25.384>show <00:42:25.564>as <00:42:25.745>well,

1081
00:42:25.845 --> 00:42:29.285
<00:42:25.845>but <00:42:25.984>like, <00:42:26.125>it's, <00:42:26.265>uh, <00:42:26.404>it's <00:42:26.544>fascinating <00:42:26.685>to <00:42:26.825>see <00:42:26.964>when <00:42:27.105>you, <00:42:27.245>when

1082
00:42:29.425 --> 00:42:31.605
<00:42:29.425>how <00:42:29.658>fast <00:42:29.891>people <00:42:30.125>listen <00:42:30.358>to <00:42:30.591>things <00:42:30.825>Yeah.

1083
00:42:31.635 --> 00:42:34.125
<00:42:31.635>That <00:42:31.790>you <00:42:31.946>could <00:42:32.101>never <00:42:32.257>do <00:42:32.412>yourself <00:42:32.568>as <00:42:32.723>a <00:42:32.879>sighted <00:42:33.035>person.

1084
00:42:34.145 --> 00:42:37.045
<00:42:34.145>And <00:42:34.285>it <00:42:34.425>always <00:42:34.565>cracks <00:42:34.705>me <00:42:34.845>up <00:42:34.985>when <00:42:35.125>people <00:42:35.265>test <00:42:35.405>screen <00:42:35.545>readers

1085
00:42:37.045 --> 00:42:38.365
<00:42:37.045>and <00:42:37.193>look <00:42:37.342>at <00:42:37.490>the <00:42:37.639>screen <00:42:37.787>at <00:42:37.935>the <00:42:38.084>same <00:42:38.232>time

1086
00:42:38.385 --> 00:42:39.845
<00:42:38.385>and <00:42:38.572>you're <00:42:38.760>like, <00:42:38.948>this <00:42:39.135>is <00:42:39.323>not <00:42:39.511>the <00:42:39.698>idea.

1087
00:42:41.555 --> 00:42:46.125
<00:42:41.555>Yeah. <00:42:41.710>How <00:42:41.866>to <00:42:42.021>do <00:42:42.177>it. <00:42:42.332>There's <00:42:42.488>two <00:42:42.643>things, <00:42:42.799>dang <00:42:42.955>it.

1088
00:42:46.185 --> 00:42:48.565
<00:42:46.185>GI <00:42:46.384>and <00:42:46.585>oh <00:42:46.785>s**t, <00:42:46.985>gi <00:42:47.185>uh, <00:42:47.384>oh <00:42:47.585>s**t.

1089
00:42:48.585 --> 00:42:50.525
<00:42:48.585>Gi <00:42:48.785>you <00:42:48.985>talked <00:42:49.185>about <00:42:49.385>in <00:42:49.585>your <00:42:49.785>p <00:42:49.985>uh,

1090
00:42:50.545 --> 00:42:52.245
<00:42:50.545>in <00:42:50.778>your <00:42:51.011>latest, <00:42:51.245>uh, <00:42:51.478>thing <00:42:51.711>as <00:42:51.945>well.

1091
00:42:52.385 --> 00:42:53.845
<00:42:52.385>And <00:42:52.823>that <00:42:53.261>basically, <00:42:53.698>um,

1092
00:42:54.755 --> 00:42:57.925
<00:42:54.755>basically <00:42:54.910>tells <00:42:55.066>you <00:42:55.221>like <00:42:55.377>when <00:42:55.532>something <00:42:55.688>went <00:42:55.843>wrong <00:42:55.999>with <00:42:56.155>Git

1093
00:42:58.025 --> 00:42:59.765
<00:42:58.025>and <00:42:58.225>oh <00:42:58.425>s**t, <00:42:58.625>Git <00:42:58.825>does <00:42:59.025>the <00:42:59.225>same <00:42:59.425>thing.

1094
00:42:59.785 --> 00:43:01.805
<00:42:59.785>Oh, <00:42:59.984>that's <00:43:00.185>the <00:43:00.384>same <00:43:00.585>article. <00:43:00.785>What <00:43:00.984>the <00:43:01.185>hell?

1095
00:43:03.035 --> 00:43:06.725
<00:43:03.035>It's <00:43:03.268>the <00:43:03.501>nicer <00:43:03.734>language <00:43:03.968>version <00:43:04.201>of <00:43:04.435>Oshi.

1096
00:43:06.915 --> 00:43:09.565
<00:43:06.915>Okay. <00:43:08.315>Okay.

1097
00:43:10.395 --> 00:43:13.085
<00:43:10.395>Because <00:43:10.550>some <00:43:10.706>people <00:43:10.861>might <00:43:11.017>have <00:43:11.172>been <00:43:11.328>offended <00:43:11.483>by <00:43:11.639>all <00:43:11.795>the,

1098
00:43:13.185 --> 00:43:15.085
<00:43:13.185>all <00:43:13.384>the <00:43:13.585>curse <00:43:13.785>words <00:43:13.985>in <00:43:14.185>in <00:43:14.384>the <00:43:14.585>one,

1099
00:43:15.185 --> 00:43:16.685
<00:43:15.185>in <00:43:15.353>the <00:43:15.522>first <00:43:15.691>one <00:43:15.860>or <00:43:16.028>in <00:43:16.197>the <00:43:16.366>second <00:43:16.535>word.

1100
00:43:17.225 --> 00:43:19.245
<00:43:17.225>Oh <00:43:17.380>yeah. <00:43:17.536>There's <00:43:17.691>also, <00:43:17.847>uh, <00:43:18.002>there <00:43:18.158>was <00:43:18.313>also <00:43:18.469>a, <00:43:18.625>a,

1101
00:43:19.285 --> 00:43:20.685
<00:43:19.285>a <00:43:19.537>shell <00:43:19.788>command <00:43:20.040>called <00:43:20.293>the, <00:43:20.545>the,

1102
00:43:20.745 --> 00:43:22.485
<00:43:20.745>the <00:43:20.978>fornicate, <00:43:21.211>is <00:43:21.444>that <00:43:21.678>the <00:43:21.911>right <00:43:22.145>word?

1103
00:43:22.825 --> 00:43:24.885
<00:43:22.825>Uh, <00:43:23.105>basically <00:43:23.384>shorter. <00:43:23.665>Basically <00:43:23.944>when <00:43:24.225>you,

1104
00:43:24.885 --> 00:43:26.925
<00:43:24.885>when <00:43:25.040>you <00:43:25.196>type <00:43:25.351>something <00:43:25.507>wrong, <00:43:25.662>you <00:43:25.818>could <00:43:25.973>type <00:43:26.129>that <00:43:26.285>one

1105
00:43:26.925 --> 00:43:28.365
<00:43:26.925>and <00:43:27.087>it <00:43:27.249>would <00:43:27.411>tell <00:43:27.573>you <00:43:27.735>what <00:43:27.897>you <00:43:28.058>did <00:43:28.221>wrong.

1106
00:43:28.425 --> 00:43:31.165
<00:43:28.425>And <00:43:28.552>I <00:43:28.679>guess <00:43:28.806>this <00:43:28.934>is <00:43:29.061>the <00:43:29.188>similar, <00:43:29.315>uh, <00:43:29.443>uh, <00:43:29.570>kind <00:43:29.697>of <00:43:29.825>approach

1107
00:43:31.195 --> 00:43:34.165
<00:43:31.195>that <00:43:31.370>basically <00:43:31.545>explains <00:43:31.720>the <00:43:31.895>last <00:43:32.070>GI <00:43:32.245>command <00:43:32.420>to <00:43:32.595>you.

1108
00:43:36.275 --> 00:43:39.725
<00:43:36.275>This <00:43:36.391>is <00:43:36.508>great. <00:43:36.625>Uh, <00:43:36.741>I <00:43:36.858>mean, <00:43:36.975>do <00:43:37.091>you <00:43:37.208>do, <00:43:37.325>when <00:43:37.441>you <00:43:37.558>use <00:43:37.675>GitHub,

1109
00:43:39.785 --> 00:43:41.525
<00:43:39.785>uh, <00:43:39.960>uh, <00:43:40.134>uh, <00:43:40.310>when <00:43:40.484>you <00:43:40.660>use <00:43:40.835>Git, <00:43:41.009>do <00:43:41.185>you,

1110
00:43:41.705 --> 00:43:42.965
<00:43:41.705>do <00:43:41.894>you <00:43:42.083>do <00:43:42.272>everything <00:43:42.461>on <00:43:42.650>the <00:43:42.839>terminal

1111
00:43:43.145 --> 00:43:45.045
<00:43:43.145>or <00:43:43.320>do <00:43:43.495>you <00:43:43.670>use <00:43:43.845>the <00:43:44.020>integration <00:43:44.195>in <00:43:44.370>your <00:43:44.545>id?

1112
00:43:46.665 --> 00:43:49.205
<00:43:46.665>I'm <00:43:46.945>a <00:43:47.225>command <00:43:47.505>line <00:43:47.785>person, <00:43:48.065>Dan.

1113
00:43:49.505 --> 00:43:50.685
<00:43:49.505>I'm <00:43:49.770>a, <00:43:50.036>I'm <00:43:50.301>a <00:43:50.567>combination.

1114
00:43:51.185 --> 00:43:53.685
<00:43:51.185>I'm <00:43:51.325>sometimes <00:43:51.465>I'm <00:43:51.605>the, <00:43:51.745>uh, <00:43:51.884>the, <00:43:52.025>what <00:43:52.165>do <00:43:52.305>they <00:43:52.445>call <00:43:52.585>it,

1115
00:43:53.825 --> 00:43:55.605
<00:43:53.825>GitHub <00:43:54.058>desktop <00:43:54.291>as <00:43:54.524>well <00:43:54.758>when <00:43:54.991>I'm <00:43:55.225>purely

1116
00:43:55.715 --> 00:43:57.285
<00:43:55.715>just <00:43:55.995>not <00:43:56.275>wanting <00:43:56.555>to <00:43:56.835>write <00:43:57.115>anything.

1117
00:43:57.385 --> 00:43:58.845
<00:43:57.385>So, <00:43:58.042>um, <00:43:58.698>yeah,

1118
00:43:59.035 --> 00:44:02.045
<00:43:59.035>I've <00:43:59.174>definitely <00:43:59.315>made <00:43:59.455>some <00:43:59.595>big <00:43:59.734>mistakes <00:43:59.875>though <00:44:00.015>learning <00:44:00.154>it <00:44:00.295>as <00:44:00.435>well.

1119
00:44:02.125 --> 00:44:04.685
<00:44:02.125>I <00:44:02.241>find <00:44:02.358>it <00:44:02.475>really <00:44:02.591>hard <00:44:02.708>to <00:44:02.825>learn <00:44:02.941>as <00:44:03.058>in, <00:44:03.175>to <00:44:03.291>find, <00:44:03.408>you <00:44:03.525>know,

1120
00:44:04.685 --> 00:44:06.645
<00:44:04.685>you <00:44:04.825>were <00:44:04.965>just <00:44:05.105>sort <00:44:05.245>of <00:44:05.384>knowing <00:44:05.525>what <00:44:05.665>you <00:44:05.805>wanted <00:44:05.945>to <00:44:06.085>do

1121
00:44:07.025 --> 00:44:09.205
<00:44:07.025>and <00:44:07.152>then <00:44:07.279>you <00:44:07.406>would <00:44:07.534>google <00:44:07.661>the <00:44:07.788>command <00:44:07.915>and <00:44:08.043>you <00:44:08.170>would <00:44:08.297>try <00:44:08.425>it

1122
00:44:09.205 --> 00:44:11.365
<00:44:09.205>and <00:44:09.332>then <00:44:09.459>you <00:44:09.586>would <00:44:09.714>find <00:44:09.841>out <00:44:09.968>you'd <00:44:10.095>left <00:44:10.223>a <00:44:10.350>flag <00:44:10.477>on <00:44:10.605>there

1123
00:44:11.365 --> 00:44:13.325
<00:44:11.365>and <00:44:11.520>so <00:44:11.676>you'd <00:44:11.831>got <00:44:11.987>more <00:44:12.142>than <00:44:12.298>you <00:44:12.453>wanted <00:44:12.609>or <00:44:12.765>whatever.

1124
00:44:13.325 --> 00:44:16.125
<00:44:13.325>You <00:44:13.464>know, <00:44:13.605>there <00:44:13.745>were <00:44:13.884>always, <00:44:14.024>I <00:44:14.165>found <00:44:14.305>it <00:44:14.444>very, <00:44:14.585>very <00:44:14.725>tricky

1125
00:44:16.125 --> 00:44:17.445
<00:44:16.125>to <00:44:16.362>kind <00:44:16.600>of <00:44:16.837>first, <00:44:17.075>um, <00:44:17.313>learn.

1126
00:44:17.445 --> 00:44:20.005
<00:44:17.445>So <00:44:17.645>again, <00:44:17.845>this <00:44:18.045>kind <00:44:18.245>of <00:44:18.445>shortcut <00:44:18.645>based, <00:44:18.845>um,

1127
00:44:20.055 --> 00:44:21.765
<00:44:20.055>cheat <00:44:20.521>sheet, <00:44:20.988>it's <00:44:21.455>great.

1128
00:44:22.045 --> 00:44:23.245
<00:44:22.045>'cause <00:44:22.225>I <00:44:22.405>think <00:44:22.585>everyone's <00:44:22.765>got <00:44:22.945>themselves <00:44:23.125>in

1129
00:44:23.245 --> 00:44:24.285
<00:44:23.245>trouble <00:44:23.432>like <00:44:23.619>that <00:44:23.806>at <00:44:23.993>one <00:44:24.181>point.

1130
00:44:25.115 --> 00:44:26.115
<00:44:25.115>Yeah, <00:44:25.564>I <00:44:26.015>mean,

1131
00:44:26.705 --> 00:44:29.365
<00:44:26.705>Go, <00:44:26.880>Chris <00:44:27.055>has <00:44:27.230>got, <00:44:27.404>has <00:44:27.580>co-pilot <00:44:27.755>in <00:44:27.930>the <00:44:28.105>terminal

1132
00:44:29.465 --> 00:44:31.605
<00:44:29.465>as <00:44:29.605>well, <00:44:29.745>so <00:44:29.885>if <00:44:30.025>you're, <00:44:30.165>if <00:44:30.305>you're <00:44:30.445>using <00:44:30.585>the <00:44:30.725>terminal <00:44:30.865>with

1133
00:44:31.605 --> 00:44:33.845
<00:44:31.605>inside <00:44:31.805>vs <00:44:32.005>code, <00:44:32.205>you <00:44:32.405>can <00:44:32.605>use <00:44:32.805>Command <00:44:33.005>I

1134
00:44:34.185 --> 00:44:37.605
<00:44:34.185>and <00:44:34.312>actually <00:44:34.439>ask <00:44:34.566>it <00:44:34.694>to <00:44:34.821>explain <00:44:34.948>the <00:44:35.075>GI <00:44:35.203>commands <00:44:35.330>to <00:44:35.457>you, <00:44:35.585>uh,

1135
00:44:37.625 --> 00:44:40.045
<00:44:37.625>as, <00:44:37.825>as <00:44:38.025>a <00:44:38.225>chat <00:44:38.425>inside <00:44:38.625>the <00:44:38.825>terminal <00:44:39.025>itself.

1136
00:44:40.065 --> 00:44:41.165
<00:44:40.065>So <00:44:40.263>I <00:44:40.461>found <00:44:40.659>that <00:44:40.857>pretty <00:44:41.055>cool.

1137
00:44:42.985 --> 00:44:44.715
<00:44:42.985>Yeah, <00:44:43.185>that <00:44:43.385>makes <00:44:43.585>sense. <00:44:43.785>I <00:44:43.985>just <00:44:44.185>had <00:44:44.385>a,

1138
00:44:44.775 --> 00:44:45.875
<00:44:44.775>had <00:44:45.105>a <00:44:45.435>situation <00:44:45.765>today.

1139
00:44:46.095 --> 00:44:48.635
<00:44:46.095>Um, <00:44:46.222>I <00:44:46.349>feel <00:44:46.476>like <00:44:46.604>some <00:44:46.731>people <00:44:46.858>at <00:44:46.985>some <00:44:47.113>point <00:44:47.240>really <00:44:47.367>master <00:44:47.495>it,

1140
00:44:48.635 --> 00:44:51.395
<00:44:48.635>but <00:44:48.790>I <00:44:48.946>forget <00:44:49.101>all <00:44:49.257>this <00:44:49.412>stuff <00:44:49.568>all <00:44:49.723>the <00:44:49.879>time, <00:44:50.035>right?

1141
00:44:51.795 --> 00:44:53.755
<00:44:51.795>I <00:44:51.970>just <00:44:52.145>had <00:44:52.320>a <00:44:52.495>situation <00:44:52.670>today <00:44:52.845>in <00:44:53.020>the <00:44:53.195>morning

1142
00:44:53.855 --> 00:44:57.475
<00:44:53.855>and <00:44:53.982>I, <00:44:54.109>so <00:44:54.236>I, <00:44:54.364>I'm <00:44:54.491>working <00:44:54.618>on, <00:44:54.745>uh, <00:44:54.873>on <00:44:55.000>two <00:44:55.127>branches, <00:44:55.255>right?

1143
00:44:57.545 --> 00:44:59.235
<00:44:57.545>Main, <00:44:57.825>uh, <00:44:58.105>staging <00:44:58.385>and <00:44:58.665>pro, <00:44:58.945>right?

1144
00:44:59.235 --> 00:45:00.835
<00:44:59.235>And <00:44:59.468>I <00:44:59.701>had <00:44:59.935>something <00:45:00.168>and <00:45:00.401>I <00:45:00.635>wanted

1145
00:45:00.835 --> 00:45:01.875
<00:45:00.835>to <00:45:01.069>release <00:45:01.303>the <00:45:01.537>entire <00:45:01.771>chain,

1146
00:45:01.875 --> 00:45:03.035
<00:45:01.875>but <00:45:02.083>I <00:45:02.292>had <00:45:02.501>something <00:45:02.710>merch <00:45:02.919>already

1147
00:45:03.295 --> 00:45:05.755
<00:45:03.295>and <00:45:03.435>I <00:45:03.575>was <00:45:03.715>like, <00:45:03.855>no, <00:45:03.995>I'm <00:45:04.135>not <00:45:04.275>reverting <00:45:04.415>a <00:45:04.555>commit <00:45:04.695>now

1148
00:45:05.975 --> 00:45:09.875
<00:45:05.975>and <00:45:06.091>I <00:45:06.208>have <00:45:06.325>to <00:45:06.441>kind <00:45:06.558>of <00:45:06.674>do <00:45:06.791>the <00:45:06.908>GI <00:45:07.025>hassle <00:45:07.141>because <00:45:07.258>I've <00:45:07.375>never,

1149
00:45:09.925 --> 00:45:14.155
<00:45:09.925>after <00:45:10.052>10 <00:45:10.179>or <00:45:10.306>12 <00:45:10.434>years, <00:45:10.561>I've <00:45:10.688>never <00:45:10.815>reached <00:45:10.943>a <00:45:11.070>point <00:45:11.197>of, <00:45:11.325>okay,

1150
00:45:14.315 --> 00:45:17.755
<00:45:14.315>I <00:45:14.442>can <00:45:14.569>just <00:45:14.696>figure <00:45:14.824>it <00:45:14.951>out <00:45:15.078>now <00:45:15.205>let's <00:45:15.333>do <00:45:15.460>the <00:45:15.587>GIT <00:45:15.715>manuals

1151
00:45:17.815 --> 00:45:22.145
<00:45:17.815>and <00:45:17.990>reset <00:45:18.165>hard, <00:45:18.340>soft <00:45:18.515>whatever <00:45:18.690>tool <00:45:18.865>that <00:45:19.040>minus <00:45:19.215>one,

1152
00:45:22.225 --> 00:45:24.105
<00:45:22.225>I <00:45:22.400>was <00:45:22.575>like, <00:45:22.750>nope, <00:45:22.924>I <00:45:23.100>just <00:45:23.275>commented <00:45:23.450>everything <00:45:23.625>out

1153
00:45:24.105 --> 00:45:25.625
<00:45:24.105>and <00:45:24.300>like <00:45:24.495>yellow <00:45:24.691>commit <00:45:24.886>and <00:45:25.082>let's <00:45:25.277>move <00:45:25.473>forward.

1154
00:45:26.325 --> 00:45:29.545
<00:45:26.325>Um, <00:45:26.480>I'm <00:45:26.636>always <00:45:26.791>impressed <00:45:26.947>when, <00:45:27.102>when <00:45:27.258>people <00:45:27.413>kind <00:45:27.569>of <00:45:27.725>master

1155
00:45:29.925 --> 00:45:32.225
<00:45:29.925>or <00:45:30.080>kind <00:45:30.236>of <00:45:30.391>really <00:45:30.547>get <00:45:30.702>into <00:45:30.858>the <00:45:31.013>good <00:45:31.169>stuff, <00:45:31.325>but

1156
00:45:33.495 --> 00:45:35.905
<00:45:33.495>Yeah, <00:45:33.728>merging <00:45:33.961>properly <00:45:34.194>is <00:45:34.428>also <00:45:34.661>a <00:45:34.895>skill

1157
00:45:35.905 --> 00:45:37.545
<00:45:35.905>that <00:45:36.185>I <00:45:36.465>never <00:45:36.745>master <00:45:37.025>the <00:45:37.305>amount

1158
00:45:37.545 --> 00:45:39.105
<00:45:37.545>of <00:45:37.745>times <00:45:37.945>I <00:45:38.145>just <00:45:38.345>delete <00:45:38.545>the <00:45:38.745>local <00:45:38.945>file

1159
00:45:39.105 --> 00:45:41.265
<00:45:39.105>and <00:45:39.260>then <00:45:39.416>pull <00:45:39.571>it <00:45:39.727>again, <00:45:39.882>like <00:45:40.038>yeah, <00:45:40.193>put <00:45:40.349>it <00:45:40.505>into,

1160
00:45:41.535 --> 00:45:45.665
<00:45:41.535>into <00:45:41.651>an <00:45:41.768>un <00:45:41.884>undefined <00:45:42.001>dot <00:45:42.118>text <00:45:42.234>kind <00:45:42.351>of <00:45:42.468>thing <00:45:42.585>to, <00:45:42.701>to <00:45:42.818>cache <00:45:42.935>it.

1161
00:45:45.775 --> 00:45:48.065
<00:45:45.775>It's, <00:45:46.055>uh, <00:45:46.335>it's, <00:45:46.615>yeah, <00:45:46.895>it's <00:45:47.175>sad,

1162
00:45:48.205 --> 00:45:51.665
<00:45:48.205>but <00:45:48.360>I <00:45:48.516>think <00:45:48.671>there <00:45:48.827>is <00:45:48.982>a <00:45:49.138>a, <00:45:49.293>there's <00:45:49.449>a <00:45:49.605>lady

1163
00:45:51.685 --> 00:45:53.905
<00:45:51.685>who <00:45:51.965>does <00:45:52.245>only <00:45:52.525>get <00:45:52.805>command <00:45:53.085>blocks

1164
00:45:53.925 --> 00:45:55.425
<00:45:53.925>and <00:45:54.093>I <00:45:54.262>had <00:45:54.431>a <00:45:54.600>few <00:45:54.768>times <00:45:54.937>in <00:45:55.106>a <00:45:55.275>newsletter,

1165
00:45:55.725 --> 00:45:56.985
<00:45:55.725>we <00:45:55.886>should <00:45:56.049>probably <00:45:56.211>get <00:45:56.373>her <00:45:56.535>on <00:45:56.697>the <00:45:56.859>show.

1166
00:45:57.005 --> 00:45:59.105
<00:45:57.005>So <00:45:57.160>she <00:45:57.316>does <00:45:57.471>a <00:45:57.627>really <00:45:57.782>good <00:45:57.938>job <00:45:58.093>explaining <00:45:58.249>the <00:45:58.405>things,

1167
00:45:59.405 --> 00:46:01.625
<00:45:59.405>but <00:45:59.560>it <00:45:59.716>feels <00:45:59.871>like <00:46:00.027>this <00:46:00.182>knowledge <00:46:00.338>that <00:46:00.493>you <00:46:00.649>need <00:46:00.805>that

1168
00:46:01.625 --> 00:46:03.345
<00:46:01.625>that <00:46:01.825>time <00:46:02.025>and <00:46:02.225>then <00:46:02.425>you <00:46:02.625>forget <00:46:02.825>it <00:46:03.025>again

1169
00:46:03.345 --> 00:46:05.745
<00:46:03.345>because <00:46:03.500>you <00:46:03.656>can <00:46:03.811>look <00:46:03.967>it <00:46:04.122>up <00:46:04.278>all <00:46:04.433>the <00:46:04.589>time. <00:46:04.745>Yeah,

1170
00:46:05.805 --> 00:46:06.805
<00:46:05.805>100%. <00:46:06.705>But

1171
00:46:06.805 --> 00:46:08.145
<00:46:06.805>f <00:46:07.408>fpac <00:46:08.011>commands

1172
00:46:08.145 --> 00:46:09.345
<00:46:08.145>or <00:46:08.325>these <00:46:08.505>kind <00:46:08.685>of <00:46:08.865>things, <00:46:09.045>you're <00:46:09.225>like,

1173
00:46:09.345 --> 00:46:11.105
<00:46:09.345>yeah, <00:46:09.520>I <00:46:09.694>don't <00:46:09.870>need <00:46:10.044>to <00:46:10.220>know <00:46:10.395>that. <00:46:10.569>I <00:46:10.745>remember

1174
00:46:11.185 --> 00:46:12.345
<00:46:11.185>F <00:46:11.446>fpac <00:46:11.707>is <00:46:11.968>the <00:46:12.229>worst.

1175
00:46:13.245 --> 00:46:15.305
<00:46:13.245>Oh <00:46:13.444>my <00:46:13.645>god. <00:46:13.845>No <00:46:14.045>way <00:46:14.245>to <00:46:14.444>remember <00:46:14.645>these.

1176
00:46:16.505 --> 00:46:18.945
<00:46:16.505>I <00:46:16.645>remember <00:46:16.785>people <00:46:16.925>that <00:46:17.065>had <00:46:17.205>like <00:46:17.345>the, <00:46:17.485>the, <00:46:17.625>uh, <00:46:17.765>the, <00:46:17.905>the,

1177
00:46:18.965 --> 00:46:22.225
<00:46:18.965>the <00:46:19.105>VI <00:46:19.245>commands <00:46:19.385>as <00:46:19.525>tattoos <00:46:19.665>and <00:46:19.805>stuff, <00:46:19.945>so <00:46:20.085>on <00:46:20.225>their <00:46:20.365>arms.

1178
00:46:22.365 --> 00:46:24.745
<00:46:22.365>So <00:46:22.492>that <00:46:22.619>might <00:46:22.746>be <00:46:22.874>something <00:46:23.001>that <00:46:23.128>we <00:46:23.255>need <00:46:23.383>to <00:46:23.510>do <00:46:23.637>with <00:46:23.765>GI

1179
00:46:24.745 --> 00:46:27.225
<00:46:24.745>as <00:46:25.025>well <00:46:25.305>get <00:46:25.585>like <00:46:25.865>branching <00:46:26.145>out.

1180
00:46:28.115 --> 00:46:29.265
<00:46:28.115>Let's <00:46:28.373>do <00:46:28.632>some <00:46:28.891>quick <00:46:29.149>ones

1181
00:46:29.265 --> 00:46:31.425
<00:46:29.265>because <00:46:29.464>we <00:46:29.665>have, <00:46:29.865>uh, <00:46:30.065>not <00:46:30.265>much <00:46:30.464>time <00:46:30.665>left.

1182
00:46:31.645 --> 00:46:34.145
<00:46:31.645>So <00:46:31.878>just <00:46:32.111>a <00:46:32.345>few <00:46:32.578>things <00:46:32.811>to <00:46:33.045>show.

1183
00:46:34.445 --> 00:46:37.385
<00:46:34.445>Um, <00:46:34.725>there's <00:46:35.005>color <00:46:35.285>find, <00:46:35.565>which <00:46:35.845>Dan,

1184
00:46:37.405 --> 00:46:38.505
<00:46:37.405>you <00:46:37.652>were <00:46:37.900>excited <00:46:38.147>about, <00:46:38.395>right?

1185
00:46:38.565 --> 00:46:39.665
<00:46:38.565>That's <00:46:39.060>basically <00:46:39.555>completely

1186
00:46:39.865 --> 00:46:40.865
<00:46:39.865>Addicted <00:46:40.089>to <00:46:40.314>it. <00:46:40.540>Yeah, <00:46:40.765>so

1187
00:46:40.865 --> 00:46:41.985
<00:46:40.865>addictive. <00:46:41.201>It <00:46:41.537>really <00:46:41.873>is.

1188
00:46:42.215 --> 00:46:44.865
<00:46:42.215>It's <00:46:42.342>a <00:46:42.469>color <00:46:42.596>acuity <00:46:42.724>test, <00:46:42.851>so <00:46:42.978>you <00:46:43.105>just <00:46:43.233>put <00:46:43.360>your <00:46:43.487>name <00:46:43.615>in

1189
00:46:44.865 --> 00:46:46.665
<00:46:44.865>and <00:46:45.020>then <00:46:45.176>it's <00:46:45.331>gonna <00:46:45.487>show <00:46:45.642>you <00:46:45.798>a <00:46:45.953>series <00:46:46.109>of <00:46:46.265>blocks,

1190
00:46:46.745 --> 00:46:48.905
<00:46:46.745>a <00:46:46.900>bit <00:46:47.056>like <00:46:47.211>the <00:46:47.367>sort <00:46:47.522>of <00:46:47.678>GitHub <00:46:47.833>commit, <00:46:47.989>uh, <00:46:48.145>graph.

1191
00:46:48.925 --> 00:46:50.825
<00:46:48.925>And <00:46:49.080>then <00:46:49.236>you <00:46:49.391>just <00:46:49.547>find <00:46:49.702>the <00:46:49.858>odd <00:46:50.013>one <00:46:50.169>out <00:46:50.325>basically,

1192
00:46:51.005 --> 00:46:53.145
<00:46:51.005>and <00:46:51.121>it <00:46:51.238>gets <00:46:51.355>harder <00:46:51.471>and <00:46:51.588>harder, <00:46:51.705>so <00:46:51.821>you <00:46:51.938>can <00:46:52.055>see <00:46:52.171>it <00:46:52.288>gets <00:46:52.405>closer

1193
00:46:53.205 --> 00:46:54.665
<00:46:53.205>and <00:46:53.424>closer <00:46:53.643>to <00:46:53.862>the, <00:46:54.081>the <00:46:54.300>other <00:46:54.519>colors.

1194
00:46:55.055 --> 00:46:57.705
<00:46:55.055>Some, <00:46:55.254>I <00:46:55.455>mean, <00:46:55.654>yeah, <00:46:55.855>it <00:46:56.055>gets <00:46:56.254>really <00:46:56.455>difficult.

1195
00:46:57.845 --> 00:46:59.745
<00:46:57.845>Um, <00:46:58.044>I <00:46:58.245>think <00:46:58.444>I <00:46:58.645>got <00:46:58.845>to <00:46:59.044>level <00:46:59.245>28,

1196
00:46:59.765 --> 00:47:02.105
<00:46:59.765>so <00:46:59.904>if <00:47:00.045>anyone <00:47:00.185>wants <00:47:00.325>to <00:47:00.464>beat <00:47:00.605>that, <00:47:00.745>go <00:47:00.884>for <00:47:01.025>it. <00:47:01.165>28,

1197
00:47:02.745 --> 00:47:04.505
<00:47:02.745>I <00:47:03.025>made <00:47:03.305>it <00:47:03.585>to <00:47:03.865>22, <00:47:04.145>dude.

1198
00:47:05.245 --> 00:47:07.705
<00:47:05.245>Wow. <00:47:05.400>There <00:47:05.556>We <00:47:05.711>go. <00:47:05.867>And <00:47:06.022>we <00:47:06.178>were <00:47:06.333>two <00:47:06.489>people <00:47:06.645>trying.

1199
00:47:09.385 --> 00:47:10.345
<00:47:09.385>Excellent. <00:47:09.557>I'm <00:47:09.730>I'm <00:47:09.903>a <00:47:10.076>bit <00:47:10.249>skeptical

1200
00:47:10.345 --> 00:47:11.545
<00:47:10.345>about <00:47:10.524>those <00:47:10.705>ones <00:47:10.884>at <00:47:11.065>the <00:47:11.245>top <00:47:11.425>though.

1201
00:47:11.545 --> 00:47:13.425
<00:47:11.545>There's <00:47:11.685>a, <00:47:11.825>there's <00:47:11.965>a <00:47:12.105>lot <00:47:12.245>of <00:47:12.385>people <00:47:12.525>with, <00:47:12.665>um, <00:47:12.805>can <00:47:12.945>g

1202
00:47:13.425 --> 00:47:14.425
<00:47:13.425>that <00:47:13.605>have <00:47:13.785>got <00:47:13.965>thousands <00:47:14.145>of <00:47:14.325>levels.

1203
00:47:14.525 --> 00:47:15.665
<00:47:14.525>I'm <00:47:14.730>a <00:47:14.935>bit <00:47:15.140>skeptical <00:47:15.345>about <00:47:15.551>those.

1204
00:47:16.345 --> 00:47:19.105
<00:47:16.345>I <00:47:16.520>guess <00:47:16.694>the, <00:47:16.870>the <00:47:17.044>rest <00:47:17.220>API <00:47:17.395>wasn't <00:47:17.569>protected <00:47:17.745>properly.

1205
00:47:19.445 --> 00:47:21.225
<00:47:19.445>So <00:47:19.585>we <00:47:19.725>could, <00:47:19.865>we <00:47:20.005>could <00:47:20.145>do <00:47:20.285>a, <00:47:20.425>we <00:47:20.565>could <00:47:20.705>do <00:47:20.845>a,

1206
00:47:21.345 --> 00:47:25.145
<00:47:21.345>a <00:47:21.484>live <00:47:21.625>code <00:47:21.765>hack <00:47:21.904>on <00:47:22.044>that <00:47:22.185>software <00:47:22.325>engineer <00:47:22.464>pay <00:47:22.605>heat <00:47:22.745>map.

1207
00:47:25.345 --> 00:47:26.625
<00:47:25.345>I <00:47:25.575>really, <00:47:25.805>really <00:47:26.036>like <00:47:26.266>that <00:47:26.497>one.

1208
00:47:26.625 --> 00:47:28.065
<00:47:26.625>That <00:47:26.841>was <00:47:27.057>available <00:47:27.273>only <00:47:27.489>for <00:47:27.705>the <00:47:27.921>US

1209
00:47:28.085 --> 00:47:29.485
<00:47:28.085>but <00:47:28.242>now <00:47:28.400>we <00:47:28.557>have <00:47:28.715>it <00:47:28.872>for <00:47:29.030>Europe <00:47:29.187>as <00:47:29.345>well.

1210
00:47:29.585 --> 00:47:32.085
<00:47:29.585>So <00:47:29.740>you <00:47:29.896>can <00:47:30.051>basically <00:47:30.207>see <00:47:30.362>which <00:47:30.518>countries <00:47:30.673>have <00:47:30.829>the <00:47:30.985>average

1211
00:47:32.085 --> 00:47:34.925
<00:47:32.085>salary <00:47:32.285>and <00:47:32.485>which <00:47:32.685>companies <00:47:32.885>pay <00:47:33.085>the <00:47:33.285>most <00:47:33.485>in

1212
00:47:34.925 --> 00:47:35.965
<00:47:34.925>these, <00:47:35.237>in <00:47:35.549>these <00:47:35.861>countries.

1213
00:47:35.965 --> 00:47:37.045
<00:47:35.965>That <00:47:36.159>I <00:47:36.353>found <00:47:36.548>interesting <00:47:36.742>as <00:47:36.937>well.

1214
00:47:37.045 --> 00:47:38.685
<00:47:37.045>I <00:47:37.245>didn't <00:47:37.445>know <00:47:37.645>that <00:47:37.845>Lyft <00:47:38.045>was <00:47:38.245>in <00:47:38.445>Belarus

1215
00:47:39.475 --> 00:47:41.205
<00:47:39.475>because <00:47:39.674>I <00:47:39.875>mean, <00:47:40.075>it's <00:47:40.275>not <00:47:40.475>even <00:47:40.674>in <00:47:40.875>Europe,

1216
00:47:41.395 --> 00:47:43.005
<00:47:41.395>it's <00:47:41.675>basically <00:47:41.955>only <00:47:42.235>available <00:47:42.515>in <00:47:42.795>America.

1217
00:47:43.465 --> 00:47:44.685
<00:47:43.465>But <00:47:43.831>yeah, <00:47:44.197>tell <00:47:44.563>um,

1218
00:47:45.345 --> 00:47:47.205
<00:47:45.345>The <00:47:45.544>10th <00:47:45.745>percentile, <00:47:45.944>Chris, <00:47:46.145>if <00:47:46.345>you <00:47:46.544>just <00:47:46.745>click

1219
00:47:47.205 --> 00:47:48.245
<00:47:47.205>that <00:47:47.361>in <00:47:47.517>the <00:47:47.673>top <00:47:47.828>right <00:47:47.985>hand <00:47:48.141>corner,

1220
00:47:48.245 --> 00:47:49.805
<00:47:48.245>there's <00:47:48.478>one <00:47:48.711>interesting <00:47:48.944>thing <00:47:49.178>I'll <00:47:49.411>just <00:47:49.645>sort

1221
00:47:49.805 --> 00:47:51.645
<00:47:49.805>of <00:47:50.038>bring <00:47:50.271>your <00:47:50.504>attention <00:47:50.738>to, <00:47:50.971>because, <00:47:51.205>um,

1222
00:47:52.145 --> 00:47:53.405
<00:47:52.145>you <00:47:52.334>could <00:47:52.523>obviously <00:47:52.712>yeah, <00:47:52.901>filter <00:47:53.090>if <00:47:53.279>you

1223
00:47:53.405 --> 00:47:54.445
<00:47:53.405>go <00:47:53.717>to <00:47:54.029>10th <00:47:54.341>percentile.

1224
00:47:54.905 --> 00:47:57.845
<00:47:54.905>Um, <00:47:55.005>and <00:47:55.105>then <00:47:55.205>if <00:47:55.305>you <00:47:55.405>go <00:47:55.505>to <00:47:55.605>90, <00:47:55.705>um, <00:47:55.805>so <00:47:55.905>you <00:47:56.005>can <00:47:56.105>see <00:47:56.205>it <00:47:56.305>kind

1225
00:47:57.845 --> 00:47:59.605
<00:47:57.845>of <00:47:58.078>gets <00:47:58.311>progressively <00:47:58.544>lighter <00:47:58.778>on <00:47:59.011>the <00:47:59.245>east.

1226
00:48:00.025 --> 00:48:01.565
<00:48:00.025>If <00:48:00.256>you <00:48:00.487>go <00:48:00.718>to <00:48:00.949>the <00:48:01.180>90th <00:48:01.411>percentile,

1227
00:48:01.865 --> 00:48:03.885
<00:48:01.865>it <00:48:02.145>gets <00:48:02.424>progressively <00:48:02.705>lighter <00:48:02.984>except <00:48:03.265>for,

1228
00:48:03.965 --> 00:48:07.325
<00:48:03.965>I <00:48:04.140>believe <00:48:04.315>it's <00:48:04.490>Bulgaria, <00:48:04.665>um, <00:48:04.840>where <00:48:05.015>it's <00:48:05.190>as <00:48:05.365>dark

1229
00:48:07.345 --> 00:48:09.045
<00:48:07.345>and <00:48:07.544>as <00:48:07.745>dense <00:48:07.944>as <00:48:08.145>kind <00:48:08.345>of <00:48:08.544>German <00:48:08.745>and,

1230
00:48:09.065 --> 00:48:11.005
<00:48:09.065>and, <00:48:09.298>uh, <00:48:09.531>you <00:48:09.765>know, <00:48:09.998>Germany, <00:48:10.231>uk, <00:48:10.465>France.

1231
00:48:11.385 --> 00:48:13.845
<00:48:11.385>And <00:48:11.540>as <00:48:11.696>you <00:48:11.851>can <00:48:12.007>see, <00:48:12.162>that <00:48:12.318>means <00:48:12.473>that <00:48:12.629>they <00:48:12.785>have,

1232
00:48:14.345 --> 00:48:16.805
<00:48:14.345>at <00:48:14.500>the <00:48:14.656>same <00:48:14.811>time <00:48:14.967>as <00:48:15.122>having <00:48:15.278>the <00:48:15.433>lowest <00:48:15.589>starting <00:48:15.745>salary,

1233
00:48:16.875 --> 00:48:19.485
<00:48:16.875>they <00:48:17.030>will <00:48:17.186>have, <00:48:17.341>um, <00:48:17.497>a <00:48:17.652>large <00:48:17.808>number <00:48:17.963>of <00:48:18.119>people <00:48:18.275>on

1234
00:48:19.485 --> 00:48:22.725
<00:48:19.485>that <00:48:19.660>very <00:48:19.835>high <00:48:20.010>salary, <00:48:20.185>which <00:48:20.360>is <00:48:20.535>130,000 <00:48:20.710>Euros <00:48:20.885>ish,

1235
00:48:22.895 --> 00:48:24.885
<00:48:22.895>which <00:48:23.128>puts <00:48:23.361>it, <00:48:23.595>I <00:48:23.828>believe, <00:48:24.061>in <00:48:24.295>line

1236
00:48:24.915 --> 00:48:27.565
<00:48:24.915>with <00:48:25.090>the <00:48:25.265>top <00:48:25.440>paying <00:48:25.615>jobs <00:48:25.790>in <00:48:25.965>the <00:48:26.140>10%, <00:48:26.315>um,

1237
00:48:28.025 --> 00:48:29.285
<00:48:28.025>in <00:48:28.214>the, <00:48:28.403>in <00:48:28.592>the <00:48:28.781>UK <00:48:28.970>as <00:48:29.158>well.

1238
00:48:29.425 --> 00:48:30.805
<00:48:29.425>Um, <00:48:29.735>and <00:48:30.046>France <00:48:30.356>and <00:48:30.667>Germany,

1239
00:48:30.835 --> 00:48:32.165
<00:48:30.835>they're <00:48:31.074>all <00:48:31.313>around <00:48:31.553>the <00:48:31.792>same <00:48:32.032>area.

1240
00:48:32.545 --> 00:48:34.045
<00:48:32.545>So <00:48:32.713>I, <00:48:32.882>I <00:48:33.051>looked <00:48:33.220>into <00:48:33.388>that <00:48:33.557>a <00:48:33.726>little <00:48:33.895>bit

1241
00:48:34.045 --> 00:48:37.045
<00:48:34.045>and <00:48:34.172>it <00:48:34.299>seems <00:48:34.426>like <00:48:34.554>Bulgaria <00:48:34.681>has <00:48:34.808>been <00:48:34.935>making <00:48:35.063>a <00:48:35.190>push <00:48:35.317>to <00:48:35.445>do,

1242
00:48:37.105 --> 00:48:38.365
<00:48:37.105>um, <00:48:37.672>it <00:48:38.238>outsourcing.

1243
00:48:38.515 --> 00:48:41.085
<00:48:38.515>They've <00:48:38.670>been <00:48:38.826>changing <00:48:38.981>tax <00:48:39.137>laws <00:48:39.292>to <00:48:39.448>make <00:48:39.603>it <00:48:39.759>very, <00:48:39.915>uh,

1244
00:48:41.085 --> 00:48:42.205
<00:48:41.085>attractive <00:48:41.286>for <00:48:41.488>people <00:48:41.689>to <00:48:41.891>go <00:48:42.093>there.

1245
00:48:42.585 --> 00:48:46.085
<00:48:42.585>Um, <00:48:42.725>and <00:48:42.865>so <00:48:43.005>that's <00:48:43.145>potentially <00:48:43.285>a <00:48:43.425>little <00:48:43.565>hub <00:48:43.705>in <00:48:43.845>the <00:48:43.985>east

1246
00:48:46.315 --> 00:48:48.605
<00:48:46.315>that <00:48:46.515>we're <00:48:46.715>seeing <00:48:46.915>that, <00:48:47.115>um, <00:48:47.315>where <00:48:47.515>people <00:48:47.715>are,

1247
00:48:48.605 --> 00:48:49.645
<00:48:48.605>are <00:48:48.839>getting <00:48:49.073>very <00:48:49.307>high <00:48:49.541>paid

1248
00:48:49.645 --> 00:48:51.085
<00:48:49.645>jobs <00:48:49.830>compared <00:48:50.015>to <00:48:50.200>the <00:48:50.385>rest <00:48:50.570>of <00:48:50.755>the <00:48:50.941>region.

1249
00:48:51.185 --> 00:48:52.365
<00:48:51.185>So, <00:48:51.397>just <00:48:51.609>thought <00:48:51.822>I <00:48:52.034>was <00:48:52.247>interesting,

1250
00:48:53.245 --> 00:48:54.245
<00:48:53.245>Interesting. <00:48:53.470>I, <00:48:53.694>I <00:48:53.920>was <00:48:54.145>invited

1251
00:48:54.245 --> 00:48:56.845
<00:48:54.245>to <00:48:54.444>a <00:48:54.645>conference <00:48:54.845>in <00:48:55.045>Kastan <00:48:55.245>the <00:48:55.444>other <00:48:55.645>day

1252
00:48:56.865 --> 00:48:59.725
<00:48:56.865>and <00:48:57.020>I <00:48:57.176>never <00:48:57.331>knew <00:48:57.487>there <00:48:57.642>was, <00:48:57.798>uh, <00:48:57.953>actually <00:48:58.109>something <00:48:58.265>there.

1253
00:48:59.825 --> 00:49:02.285
<00:48:59.825>And, <00:48:59.952>uh, <00:49:00.079>I, <00:49:00.206>I <00:49:00.334>wouldn't <00:49:00.461>know <00:49:00.588>where <00:49:00.715>to, <00:49:00.843>how <00:49:00.970>to <00:49:01.097>get <00:49:01.225>and,

1254
00:49:02.585 --> 00:49:05.205
<00:49:02.585>but <00:49:02.760>it <00:49:02.935>was <00:49:03.110>interesting <00:49:03.285>to <00:49:03.460>see <00:49:03.635>Bulgaria <00:49:03.810>is <00:49:03.985>interesting

1255
00:49:05.285 --> 00:49:07.045
<00:49:05.285>'cause <00:49:05.460>it <00:49:05.634>got <00:49:05.810>beaches, <00:49:05.984>so <00:49:06.160>it's <00:49:06.335>actually <00:49:06.509>a <00:49:06.685>really

1256
00:49:07.045 --> 00:49:08.125
<00:49:07.045>beautiful <00:49:07.369>place <00:49:07.693>as <00:49:08.017>well.

1257
00:49:08.185 --> 00:49:09.805
<00:49:08.185>But <00:49:08.465>that's <00:49:08.745>a <00:49:09.025>really <00:49:09.305>interesting <00:49:09.585>find.

1258
00:49:10.235 --> 00:49:12.045
<00:49:10.235>Yeah, <00:49:10.515>yeah, <00:49:10.795>I <00:49:11.075>mean <00:49:11.355>I <00:49:11.635>love

1259
00:49:12.045 --> 00:49:14.445
<00:49:12.045>that <00:49:12.220>Open <00:49:12.395>Streete <00:49:12.570>map <00:49:12.745>gives <00:49:12.920>you <00:49:13.095>these <00:49:13.270>SVG <00:49:13.445>maps

1260
00:49:14.445 --> 00:49:16.445
<00:49:14.445>so <00:49:14.620>you <00:49:14.795>can <00:49:14.970>actually <00:49:15.145>build <00:49:15.320>these <00:49:15.495>things <00:49:15.670>rather <00:49:15.845>easily.

1261
00:49:16.785 --> 00:49:17.845
<00:49:16.785>So <00:49:17.103>we <00:49:17.421>are <00:49:17.738>thinking,

1262
00:49:18.305 --> 00:49:21.285
<00:49:18.305>and <00:49:18.432>I'm <00:49:18.559>still <00:49:18.686>working <00:49:18.814>on <00:49:18.941>that, <00:49:19.068>to <00:49:19.195>do <00:49:19.323>a <00:49:19.450>COPE <00:49:19.577>100 <00:49:19.705>challenge

1263
00:49:21.295 --> 00:49:24.525
<00:49:21.295>where <00:49:21.422>we <00:49:21.549>are <00:49:21.676>going <00:49:21.804>to <00:49:21.931>release <00:49:22.058>our <00:49:22.185>data <00:49:22.313>from <00:49:22.440>our <00:49:22.567>job <00:49:22.695>board

1264
00:49:24.985 --> 00:49:27.045
<00:49:24.985>and <00:49:25.218>you <00:49:25.451>can <00:49:25.685>build <00:49:25.918>visualizations <00:49:26.151>with <00:49:26.385>it

1265
00:49:27.065 --> 00:49:28.925
<00:49:27.065>and <00:49:27.240>the <00:49:27.415>winners <00:49:27.590>would <00:49:27.765>come <00:49:27.940>to <00:49:28.115>the <00:49:28.290>cope, <00:49:28.465>uh,

1266
00:49:28.925 --> 00:49:30.205
<00:49:28.925>to <00:49:29.309>our <00:49:29.693>World <00:49:30.077>Congress

1267
00:49:30.305 --> 00:49:32.645
<00:49:30.305>and <00:49:30.460>can, <00:49:30.616>can <00:49:30.771>show <00:49:30.927>it <00:49:31.082>to <00:49:31.238>people <00:49:31.393>there <00:49:31.549>and <00:49:31.705>stuff.

1268
00:49:32.705 --> 00:49:34.325
<00:49:32.705>So <00:49:32.938>that's <00:49:33.171>something <00:49:33.404>that <00:49:33.638>I'm <00:49:33.871>working <00:49:34.105>on.

1269
00:49:34.385 --> 00:49:36.725
<00:49:34.385>So <00:49:34.525>doing <00:49:34.665>the <00:49:34.805>whole <00:49:34.945>like <00:49:35.085>open <00:49:35.225>hack <00:49:35.365>day <00:49:35.505>kind <00:49:35.645>of <00:49:35.785>thing.

1270
00:49:36.735 --> 00:49:40.365
<00:49:36.735>Again, <00:49:36.910>swish <00:49:37.085>is <00:49:37.260>something <00:49:37.435>you <00:49:37.610>talked <00:49:37.785>about <00:49:37.960>Stefan, <00:49:38.135>right?

1271
00:49:40.955 --> 00:49:44.085
<00:49:40.955>Yeah. <00:49:41.110>Uh, <00:49:41.266>drop <00:49:41.421>in <00:49:41.577>a <00:49:41.732>ton <00:49:41.888>of <00:49:42.043>images, <00:49:42.199>optimize <00:49:42.355>them

1272
00:49:44.085 --> 00:49:45.725
<00:49:44.085>and <00:49:44.365>download <00:49:44.645>them <00:49:44.925>again, <00:49:45.205>super <00:49:45.485>handy.

1273
00:49:46.595 --> 00:49:47.885
<00:49:46.595>It's <00:49:46.982>Adios <00:49:47.369>money <00:49:47.756>build.

1274
00:49:47.985 --> 00:49:51.005
<00:49:47.985>Uh, <00:49:48.101>I <00:49:48.218>think <00:49:48.335>it <00:49:48.451>uses <00:49:48.568>the <00:49:48.685>same <00:49:48.801>API <00:49:48.918>as <00:49:49.035>swoosh <00:49:49.151>under <00:49:49.268>the <00:49:49.385>hood

1275
00:49:51.465 --> 00:49:54.725
<00:49:51.465>And <00:49:51.620>yeah, <00:49:51.776>some <00:49:51.931>we <00:49:52.087>Magic <00:49:52.242>is <00:49:52.398>going <00:49:52.553>on <00:49:52.709>here, <00:49:52.865>so,

1276
00:49:55.145 --> 00:49:57.565
<00:49:55.145>And <00:49:55.300>I <00:49:55.456>think <00:49:55.611>we <00:49:55.767>should <00:49:55.922>stop <00:49:56.078>naming <00:49:56.233>things <00:49:56.389>that <00:49:56.545>way.

1277
00:49:57.725 --> 00:50:00.885
<00:49:57.725>I <00:49:57.958>remember <00:49:58.191>when, <00:49:58.424>uh, <00:49:58.658>uh, <00:49:58.891>uh, <00:49:59.125>smash,

1278
00:50:00.905 --> 00:50:03.445
<00:50:00.905>it <00:50:01.045>was <00:50:01.185>the <00:50:01.325>first <00:50:01.465>one <00:50:01.605>we <00:50:01.745>built <00:50:01.885>in <00:50:02.025>Yahoo <00:50:02.165>back <00:50:02.305>then.

1279
00:50:03.545 --> 00:50:06.285
<00:50:03.545>Uh, <00:50:03.685>uh, <00:50:03.825>it <00:50:03.965>was <00:50:04.105>like <00:50:04.245>STO <00:50:04.385>and <00:50:04.525>Stoff <00:50:04.665>and <00:50:04.805>uh, <00:50:04.945>uh,

1280
00:50:06.305 --> 00:50:10.565
<00:50:06.305>and <00:50:06.504>um, <00:50:06.705>uh, <00:50:06.904>some, <00:50:07.105>uh, <00:50:07.305>uh, <00:50:07.504>Nicole <00:50:07.705>Solomon

1281
00:50:10.905 --> 00:50:13.405
<00:50:10.905>and <00:50:11.060>it <00:50:11.216>was <00:50:11.371>basically <00:50:11.527>smash <00:50:11.682>it, <00:50:11.838>it <00:50:11.993>was <00:50:12.149>like, <00:50:12.305>okay,

1282
00:50:13.405 --> 00:50:15.005
<00:50:13.405>upload <00:50:13.580>an <00:50:13.755>image <00:50:13.930>and <00:50:14.105>then <00:50:14.280>get <00:50:14.455>a <00:50:14.630>sip <00:50:14.805>file

1283
00:50:15.005 --> 00:50:16.885
<00:50:15.005>with <00:50:15.238>all <00:50:15.471>the <00:50:15.705>images <00:50:15.938>that <00:50:16.171>you <00:50:16.405>optimized.

1284
00:50:17.225 --> 00:50:18.845
<00:50:17.225>And <00:50:17.458>the <00:50:17.691>first <00:50:17.924>answer, <00:50:18.158>the <00:50:18.391>first <00:50:18.625>question

1285
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<00:50:18.845>was <00:50:19.096>people, <00:50:19.349>what's <00:50:19.601>a <00:50:19.853>smooth?

1286
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<00:50:20.585>So <00:50:20.797>it <00:50:21.009>was <00:50:21.222>like <00:50:21.434>smooth <00:50:21.647>s**t.

1287
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<00:50:22.465>And <00:50:22.665>I <00:50:22.865>think <00:50:23.065>trying <00:50:23.265>to <00:50:23.465>be <00:50:23.665>too <00:50:23.865>clever

1288
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<00:50:25.205>with <00:50:25.404>those <00:50:25.605>things <00:50:25.805>makes <00:50:26.005>no <00:50:26.205>sense <00:50:26.404>to <00:50:26.605>me.

1289
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<00:50:27.925>I <00:50:28.158>use <00:50:28.391>Image <00:50:28.625>Optum, <00:50:28.858>uh, <00:50:29.091>on, <00:50:29.325>uh,

1290
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<00:50:33.025>as <00:50:33.132>an <00:50:33.240>app <00:50:33.348>and <00:50:33.455>that <00:50:33.563>one <00:50:33.671>was, <00:50:33.778>um, <00:50:33.886>I <00:50:33.994>can't <00:50:34.101>remember <00:50:34.209>who <00:50:34.317>did <00:50:34.425>it,

1291
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<00:50:36.925>but, <00:50:37.198>uh, <00:50:37.472>it <00:50:37.745>was <00:50:38.019>basically <00:50:38.293>one

1292
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<00:50:38.445>of <00:50:38.653>those <00:50:38.862>blogger <00:50:39.071>types <00:50:39.280>as <00:50:39.489>well.

1293
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<00:50:39.945>And <00:50:40.085>that's <00:50:40.225>just <00:50:40.365>drag <00:50:40.505>and <00:50:40.645>drop <00:50:40.785>it <00:50:40.925>on <00:50:41.065>your <00:50:41.205>own <00:50:41.345>machine.

1294
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<00:50:42.075>Then <00:50:42.230>it, <00:50:42.386>what <00:50:42.541>I <00:50:42.697>like <00:50:42.852>about <00:50:43.008>it <00:50:43.163>is <00:50:43.319>changes <00:50:43.475>the

1295
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<00:50:44.725>file <00:50:45.073>on, <00:50:45.421>on <00:50:45.769>device.

1296
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<00:50:45.985>So <00:50:46.304>it <00:50:46.624>doesn't <00:50:46.943>actually, <00:50:47.263>uh,

1297
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<00:50:47.425>it <00:50:47.565>doesn't <00:50:47.705>actually <00:50:47.845>need <00:50:47.985>you <00:50:48.125>to <00:50:48.265>have <00:50:48.405>a <00:50:48.545>copy <00:50:48.685>of <00:50:48.825>it.

1298
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<00:50:50.065>It <00:50:50.265>just <00:50:50.465>drag <00:50:50.665>you <00:50:50.865>drag <00:50:51.065>the <00:50:51.265>thing <00:50:51.465>in

1299
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<00:50:51.885>and <00:50:52.077>it <00:50:52.269>becomes <00:50:52.461>smaller <00:50:52.653>and <00:50:52.845>that's <00:50:53.037>it.

1300
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<00:50:53.885>So <00:50:54.012>does <00:50:54.139>it <00:50:54.266>support <00:50:54.394>the, <00:50:54.521>the <00:50:54.648>new <00:50:54.775>for <00:50:54.903>newer <00:50:55.030>formats <00:50:55.157>like <00:50:55.285>AV

1301
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<00:50:57.305>and <00:50:57.538>WebP, <00:50:57.771>or <00:50:58.004>is <00:50:58.238>it <00:50:58.471>just <00:50:58.705>optimizing?

1302
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<00:50:59.405>Uh, <00:50:59.697>I <00:50:59.990>think <00:51:00.282>so, <00:51:00.575>yeah.

1303
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<00:51:00.965>I'm <00:51:01.105>not <00:51:01.245>sure, <00:51:01.385>but, <00:51:01.525>uh, <00:51:01.665>it <00:51:01.805>might <00:51:01.945>be, <00:51:02.085>it's <00:51:02.225>open <00:51:02.365>source.

1304
00:51:03.205 --> 00:51:05.185
<00:51:03.205>You <00:51:03.360>can <00:51:03.516>actually <00:51:03.671>look <00:51:03.827>it <00:51:03.982>up <00:51:04.138>on <00:51:04.293>GitHub <00:51:04.449>as <00:51:04.605>well.

1305
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<00:51:05.925>Two <00:51:06.080>fun <00:51:06.236>things. <00:51:06.391>Uh, <00:51:06.547>there, <00:51:06.702>somebody <00:51:06.858>actually <00:51:07.013>had, <00:51:07.169>uh, <00:51:07.325>uh,

1306
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<00:51:10.345>a <00:51:10.625>printer <00:51:10.904>that <00:51:11.185>showed <00:51:11.464>like <00:51:11.745>recipes

1307
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<00:51:13.165>and <00:51:13.305>they <00:51:13.445>didn't <00:51:13.585>lock <00:51:13.725>it, <00:51:13.865>so <00:51:14.005>somebody <00:51:14.145>sent <00:51:14.285>the <00:51:14.425>whole <00:51:14.565>script

1308
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<00:51:15.745>of <00:51:15.920>the <00:51:16.095>Shrek <00:51:16.270>movie <00:51:16.444>there <00:51:16.620>to <00:51:16.795>print <00:51:16.970>it <00:51:17.145>out.

1309
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<00:51:18.165>So <00:51:18.445>basically <00:51:18.725>if <00:51:19.005>you <00:51:19.285>do <00:51:19.565>printers,

1310
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<00:51:19.945>please <00:51:20.178>had <00:51:20.411>set <00:51:20.645>a <00:51:20.878>limit <00:51:21.111>on <00:51:21.345>things.

1311
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<00:51:22.525>And <00:51:22.758>there <00:51:22.991>was <00:51:23.225>this <00:51:23.458>marriage <00:51:23.691>proposals <00:51:23.925>spoken

1312
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<00:51:25.705>entirely <00:51:26.053>in <00:51:26.401>office <00:51:26.749>jargon.

1313
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<00:51:27.325>And <00:51:27.558>that's <00:51:27.791>also <00:51:28.024>absolutely <00:51:28.258>hilarious <00:51:28.491>the <00:51:28.725>longer

1314
00:51:29.685 --> 00:51:30.825
<00:51:29.685>you <00:51:29.941>read <00:51:30.198>through <00:51:30.454>that <00:51:30.711>one.

1315
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<00:51:32.175>There's <00:51:32.408>also <00:51:32.641>a, <00:51:32.875>uh, <00:51:33.108>an <00:51:33.341>Austrian <00:51:33.575>comedy

1316
00:51:34.535 --> 00:51:37.025
<00:51:34.535>that <00:51:34.690>I <00:51:34.846>just <00:51:35.001>saw <00:51:35.157>on <00:51:35.312>YouTube, <00:51:35.468>a <00:51:35.623>few <00:51:35.779>of <00:51:35.935>those.

1317
00:51:37.205 --> 00:51:40.065
<00:51:37.205>And <00:51:37.345>they're <00:51:37.485>called, <00:51:37.625>how <00:51:37.765>Do <00:51:37.904>I, <00:51:38.045>how <00:51:38.185>do <00:51:38.325>I <00:51:38.465>put <00:51:38.605>this?

1318
00:51:40.565 --> 00:51:43.265
<00:51:40.565>How <00:51:40.705>to <00:51:40.845>Talk <00:51:40.985>Like <00:51:41.125>A <00:51:41.265>W****r <00:51:41.405>is <00:51:41.545>the <00:51:41.685>title <00:51:41.825>of <00:51:41.965>it,

1319
00:51:43.405 --> 00:51:45.225
<00:51:43.405>and <00:51:43.685>with <00:51:43.965>a <00:51:44.245>proper <00:51:44.525>Australian <00:51:44.805>accent.

1320
00:51:45.245 --> 00:51:47.865
<00:51:45.245>So <00:51:45.444>it <00:51:45.645>actually <00:51:45.845>analyzes <00:51:46.045>language <00:51:46.245>in <00:51:46.444>the <00:51:46.645>office

1321
00:51:48.045 --> 00:51:50.545
<00:51:48.045>and <00:51:48.245>basically <00:51:48.445>teaches <00:51:48.645>you <00:51:48.845>what <00:51:49.045>not <00:51:49.245>to <00:51:49.445>do.

1322
00:51:50.645 --> 00:51:53.505
<00:51:50.645>So <00:51:50.820>that's <00:51:50.995>a <00:51:51.170>really <00:51:51.345>interesting <00:51:51.520>little <00:51:51.695>resource <00:51:51.870>as <00:51:52.045>well.

1323
00:51:54.485 --> 00:51:57.025
<00:51:54.485>Now <00:51:54.625>I <00:51:54.765>think <00:51:54.905>the <00:51:55.045>last <00:51:55.185>thing <00:51:55.325>we <00:51:55.465>quickly <00:51:55.605>wanna <00:51:55.745>talk <00:51:55.885>about,

1324
00:51:57.025 --> 00:51:59.065
<00:51:57.025>which <00:51:57.180>you, <00:51:57.336>which <00:51:57.491>we <00:51:57.647>kind <00:51:57.802>of <00:51:57.958>in <00:51:58.113>invited <00:51:58.269>you <00:51:58.425>to

1325
00:51:59.605 --> 00:52:02.905
<00:51:59.605>is <00:51:59.780>about <00:51:59.955>do <00:52:00.130>I <00:52:00.305>need <00:52:00.480>this, <00:52:00.655>uh, <00:52:00.830>codependency <00:52:01.005>thing?

1326
00:52:03.925 --> 00:52:04.925
<00:52:03.925>So <00:52:04.150>what <00:52:04.375>was <00:52:04.600>that <00:52:04.825>about?

1327
00:52:05.895 --> 00:52:10.385
<00:52:05.895>Well, <00:52:06.050>the <00:52:06.206>JavaScript <00:52:06.361>runtime, <00:52:06.517>uh, <00:52:06.672>uh, <00:52:06.828>war <00:52:06.983>is <00:52:07.139>on, <00:52:07.295>right?

1328
00:52:10.445 --> 00:52:12.065
<00:52:10.445>So <00:52:10.678>we, <00:52:10.911>we <00:52:11.145>started <00:52:11.378>with <00:52:11.611>no <00:52:11.845>GS

1329
00:52:12.125 --> 00:52:14.585
<00:52:12.125>and <00:52:12.300>we <00:52:12.475>now <00:52:12.650>have, <00:52:12.825>uh, <00:52:13.000>Dino <00:52:13.175>for <00:52:13.350>sure <00:52:13.525>running

1330
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<00:52:14.765>and <00:52:15.075>buns <00:52:15.386>in <00:52:15.696>the <00:52:16.007>making.

1331
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<00:52:16.145>There's <00:52:16.345>also <00:52:16.545>some, <00:52:16.745>um, <00:52:16.945>gecko <00:52:17.145>things, <00:52:17.345>I <00:52:17.545>think,

1332
00:52:19.285 --> 00:52:21.225
<00:52:19.285>and <00:52:19.634>the, <00:52:19.984>uh, <00:52:20.335>competition's <00:52:20.685>on

1333
00:52:21.225 --> 00:52:23.945
<00:52:21.225>and <00:52:21.365>node <00:52:21.505>js <00:52:21.645>is, <00:52:21.785>uh, <00:52:21.924>catching <00:52:22.065>up <00:52:22.205>and <00:52:22.345>we <00:52:22.485>all <00:52:22.625>know.

1334
00:52:24.045 --> 00:52:25.745
<00:52:24.045>Um, <00:52:24.395>so <00:52:24.745>I'm <00:52:25.095>very <00:52:25.445>fascinating

1335
00:52:25.745 --> 00:52:27.025
<00:52:25.745>and <00:52:25.937>excited <00:52:26.129>about <00:52:26.321>these <00:52:26.513>kind <00:52:26.705>of <00:52:26.897>things

1336
00:52:27.025 --> 00:52:30.145
<00:52:27.025>because, <00:52:27.180>uh, <00:52:27.336>node <00:52:27.491>js <00:52:27.647>is <00:52:27.802>kind <00:52:27.958>of <00:52:28.113>progressing <00:52:28.269>very <00:52:28.425>fast,

1337
00:52:30.145 --> 00:52:32.425
<00:52:30.145>and <00:52:30.285>I <00:52:30.425>think <00:52:30.565>a <00:52:30.705>lot <00:52:30.845>of <00:52:30.985>people <00:52:31.125>don't, <00:52:31.265>don't <00:52:31.405>recognize <00:52:31.545>it

1338
00:52:32.425 --> 00:52:34.345
<00:52:32.425>because <00:52:32.580>it's <00:52:32.736>all <00:52:32.891>due <00:52:33.047>to <00:52:33.202>the <00:52:33.358>competition <00:52:33.513>to <00:52:33.669>catch <00:52:33.825>up

1339
00:52:34.345 --> 00:52:35.585
<00:52:34.345>with <00:52:34.568>Dino <00:52:34.791>and <00:52:35.014>all <00:52:35.237>the <00:52:35.461>others.

1340
00:52:35.765 --> 00:52:37.585
<00:52:35.765>And <00:52:35.920>when <00:52:36.076>you <00:52:36.231>scroll <00:52:36.387>down, <00:52:36.542>there's <00:52:36.698>a <00:52:36.853>nice <00:52:37.009>little <00:52:37.165>table.

1341
00:52:38.005 --> 00:52:42.225
<00:52:38.005>So <00:52:38.145>it's <00:52:38.285>just, <00:52:38.425>um, <00:52:38.565>to, <00:52:38.705>uh, <00:52:38.845>tell <00:52:38.985>to <00:52:39.125>the <00:52:39.265>people, <00:52:39.405>Hey,

1342
00:52:42.235 --> 00:52:44.025
<00:52:42.235>check <00:52:42.468>out, <00:52:42.701>uh, <00:52:42.935>what <00:52:43.168>Node <00:52:43.401>can <00:52:43.635>do

1343
00:52:44.045 --> 00:52:45.945
<00:52:44.045>and <00:52:44.278>maybe <00:52:44.511>you <00:52:44.745>don't <00:52:44.978>need <00:52:45.211>to, <00:52:45.445>uh,

1344
00:52:45.945 --> 00:52:48.185
<00:52:45.945>install <00:52:46.225>the <00:52:46.505>entire <00:52:46.785>ecosystem <00:52:47.065>from <00:52:47.345>MPM.

1345
00:52:48.405 --> 00:52:50.545
<00:52:48.405>So <00:52:48.638>testing <00:52:48.871>is <00:52:49.105>included, <00:52:49.338>washing <00:52:49.571>is <00:52:49.805>included,

1346
00:52:50.575 --> 00:52:51.585
<00:52:50.575>parsing <00:52:51.029>is <00:52:51.484>included.

1347
00:52:51.845 --> 00:52:54.345
<00:52:51.845>So <00:52:51.972>whenever <00:52:52.099>you <00:52:52.226>use <00:52:52.354>Node <00:52:52.481>Jazz, <00:52:52.608>um, <00:52:52.735>so <00:52:52.863>there <00:52:52.990>are <00:52:53.117>a <00:52:53.245>lot

1348
00:52:54.345 --> 00:52:56.065
<00:52:54.345>of <00:52:54.625>things <00:52:54.904>that <00:52:55.185>we <00:52:55.464>usually, <00:52:55.745>um,

1349
00:52:56.335 --> 00:52:58.225
<00:52:56.335>installed <00:52:56.615>a <00:52:56.895>lot <00:52:57.175>of <00:52:57.455>dependencies <00:52:57.735>for.

1350
00:52:58.445 --> 00:53:01.425
<00:52:58.445>So <00:52:58.572>when <00:52:58.699>you're <00:52:58.826>on <00:52:58.954>a <00:52:59.081>recent <00:52:59.208>note, <00:52:59.335>uh, <00:52:59.463>version, <00:52:59.590>um, <00:52:59.717>check <00:52:59.845>out

1351
00:53:01.425 --> 00:53:02.985
<00:53:01.425>what, <00:53:01.580>what <00:53:01.736>is <00:53:01.891>coming <00:53:02.047>out <00:53:02.202>of <00:53:02.358>the <00:53:02.513>box <00:53:02.669>with <00:53:02.825>note.

1352
00:53:03.245 --> 00:53:06.745
<00:53:03.245>Pretty <00:53:03.400>cool. <00:53:03.556>And <00:53:03.711>for <00:53:03.867>the <00:53:04.022>typescripts <00:53:04.178>since <00:53:04.333>last <00:53:04.489>week, <00:53:04.645>um,

1353
00:53:06.755 --> 00:53:09.505
<00:53:06.755>TypeScript <00:53:07.035>running <00:53:07.315>at <00:53:07.595>least <00:53:07.875>not <00:53:08.155>compiling,

1354
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<00:53:09.505>but <00:53:09.680>stripping <00:53:09.855>codes <00:53:10.030>is <00:53:10.205>available <00:53:10.380>in <00:53:10.555>the <00:53:10.730>newest <00:53:10.905>cutting,

1355
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<00:53:12.585>cutting <00:53:12.900>edge <00:53:13.215>note <00:53:13.530>jazz <00:53:13.845>version.

1356
00:53:15.325 --> 00:53:18.705
<00:53:15.325>And <00:53:15.464>BUN <00:53:15.605>has <00:53:15.745>a, <00:53:15.884>uh, <00:53:16.024>has <00:53:16.165>a <00:53:16.305>server <00:53:16.444>now <00:53:16.585>since, <00:53:16.725>uh,

1357
00:53:18.805 --> 00:53:20.905
<00:53:18.805>for <00:53:18.980>two <00:53:19.154>days <00:53:19.330>or <00:53:19.504>something <00:53:19.680>like <00:53:19.855>that <00:53:20.029>as <00:53:20.205>well.

1358
00:53:21.005 --> 00:53:24.625
<00:53:21.005>So <00:53:21.132>you <00:53:21.259>have <00:53:21.386>like <00:53:21.514>a, <00:53:21.641>a <00:53:21.768>a <00:53:21.895>a, <00:53:22.023>basically <00:53:22.150>a <00:53:22.277>renderer, <00:53:22.405>uh,

1359
00:53:24.725 --> 00:53:26.965
<00:53:24.725>bun <00:53:24.958>render <00:53:25.191>actually <00:53:25.424>gives <00:53:25.658>you <00:53:25.891>like <00:53:26.125>the,

1360
00:53:27.065 --> 00:53:30.725
<00:53:27.065>the <00:53:27.205>much <00:53:27.345>like <00:53:27.485>in <00:53:27.625>the <00:53:27.765>past <00:53:27.905>Browsery <00:53:28.045>fight <00:53:28.185>that <00:53:28.325>you <00:53:28.465>used

1361
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<00:53:30.725>for <00:53:30.941>you <00:53:31.157>kind <00:53:31.373>of <00:53:31.589>thing <00:53:31.805>at <00:53:32.020>Bundler

1362
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<00:53:32.185>and <00:53:32.465>built <00:53:32.745>into <00:53:33.025>the <00:53:33.305>system <00:53:33.585>itself.

1363
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<00:53:34.235>Yeah, <00:53:34.622>this <00:53:35.009>is <00:53:35.396>fascinating

1364
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<00:53:35.525>because <00:53:35.758>I <00:53:35.991>remember <00:53:36.225>the <00:53:36.458>same <00:53:36.691>with <00:53:36.925>browsers.

1365
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<00:53:37.445>With <00:53:37.620>browsers. <00:53:37.795>We <00:53:37.970>had <00:53:38.145>extensions <00:53:38.320>that <00:53:38.495>did <00:53:38.670>certain <00:53:38.845>things

1366
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<00:53:40.065>and <00:53:40.220>then <00:53:40.376>we, <00:53:40.531>we <00:53:40.687>put <00:53:40.842>that <00:53:40.998>functionality <00:53:41.153>into <00:53:41.309>the <00:53:41.465>browser.

1367
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<00:53:43.025>And <00:53:43.200>when <00:53:43.375>we <00:53:43.550>seem <00:53:43.725>to <00:53:43.900>do <00:53:44.075>the <00:53:44.250>same <00:53:44.425>thing

1368
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<00:53:44.845>with <00:53:45.265>the <00:53:45.685>environments <00:53:46.105>now.

1369
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<00:53:46.905>Yeah, <00:53:47.173>I <00:53:47.441>mean <00:53:47.709>it's, <00:53:47.977>it <00:53:48.246>circles

1370
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<00:53:48.395>around <00:53:48.595>the <00:53:48.795>bigger, <00:53:48.995>are <00:53:49.195>you <00:53:49.395>BUN <00:53:49.595>users? <00:53:49.795>YouTube?

1371
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<00:53:51.255>No, <00:53:51.395>I <00:53:51.535>tried <00:53:51.675>it. <00:53:51.815>Uh, <00:53:51.955>uh, <00:53:52.095>I'm, <00:53:52.235>I'm <00:53:52.375>hardly <00:53:52.515>using <00:53:52.655>notes.

1372
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<00:53:54.975>So <00:53:55.150>basically <00:53:55.325>I, <00:53:55.500>I, <00:53:55.674>I <00:53:55.850>tried <00:53:56.025>it <00:53:56.200>in <00:53:56.375>compare,

1373
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<00:53:57.275>I <00:53:57.508>did <00:53:57.741>a <00:53:57.975>few <00:53:58.208>speed <00:53:58.441>comparisons <00:53:58.675>mm-hmm.

1374
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<00:53:59.375>But, <00:53:59.616>uh, <00:53:59.857>when <00:54:00.098>it <00:54:00.339>came <00:54:00.581>out,

1375
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<00:54:00.935>but <00:54:01.075>I, <00:54:01.215>I'm <00:54:01.355>not, <00:54:01.495>uh, <00:54:01.634>beholden <00:54:01.775>to <00:54:01.915>any <00:54:02.055>of <00:54:02.195>them <00:54:02.335>really.

1376
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<00:54:05.025>Yeah, <00:54:05.165>I <00:54:05.305>mean, <00:54:05.445>I'm, <00:54:05.585>I'm <00:54:05.725>a, <00:54:05.865>I'm <00:54:06.005>usually <00:54:06.145>a <00:54:06.285>traditional <00:54:06.425>user,

1377
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<00:54:08.015>so <00:54:08.170>I <00:54:08.326>stick <00:54:08.481>with <00:54:08.637>MPM, <00:54:08.792>I <00:54:08.948>didn't <00:54:09.103>switch <00:54:09.259>to <00:54:09.415>PMBM

1378
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<00:54:11.275>or <00:54:11.491>yarn <00:54:11.707>or <00:54:11.923>whatever <00:54:12.139>is <00:54:12.355>cool.

1379
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<00:54:12.735>And <00:54:12.890>right <00:54:13.046>now <00:54:13.201>there's <00:54:13.357>um, <00:54:13.512>there's <00:54:13.668>this <00:54:13.823>kind <00:54:13.979>of <00:54:14.135>push

1380
00:54:15.495 --> 00:54:18.805
<00:54:15.495>of <00:54:15.845>all <00:54:16.194>these, <00:54:16.545>um, <00:54:16.895>runtime

1381
00:54:19.025 --> 00:54:22.125
<00:54:19.025>or <00:54:19.225>server <00:54:19.425>JavaScript <00:54:19.625>tools <00:54:19.825>to <00:54:20.025>become <00:54:20.225>everything, <00:54:20.425>right?

1382
00:54:22.345 --> 00:54:24.805
<00:54:22.345>Bundle <00:54:22.544>is <00:54:22.745>very <00:54:22.944>much <00:54:23.145>pushing <00:54:23.345>into <00:54:23.544>this <00:54:23.745>direction.

1383
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<00:54:24.865>So <00:54:25.004>it's <00:54:25.145>a, <00:54:25.285>a <00:54:25.424>linter <00:54:25.564>testing <00:54:25.705>framework, <00:54:25.845>a <00:54:25.984>bundler <00:54:26.125>a <00:54:26.265>whatever.

1384
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<00:54:29.105>And <00:54:29.245>then <00:54:29.385>there's <00:54:29.525>Dino <00:54:29.665>also <00:54:29.805>bringing <00:54:29.945>a <00:54:30.085>lot <00:54:30.225>of <00:54:30.365>things <00:54:30.505>in.

1385
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<00:54:31.905>So <00:54:32.094>we <00:54:32.283>are <00:54:32.472>coming <00:54:32.661>from <00:54:32.850>this <00:54:33.038>idea

1386
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<00:54:33.165>that <00:54:33.417>we <00:54:33.669>just <00:54:33.921>had <00:54:34.173>not <00:54:34.425>JavaScript

1387
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<00:54:34.585>and <00:54:34.818>a <00:54:35.051>gazillion <00:54:35.285>small <00:54:35.518>modules <00:54:35.751>of <00:54:35.985>NPM

1388
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<00:54:37.465>and <00:54:37.691>everybody <00:54:37.918>got <00:54:38.145>annoyed <00:54:38.372>by <00:54:38.599>it

1389
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<00:54:38.725>because <00:54:38.995>every <00:54:39.265>project <00:54:39.535>was <00:54:39.805>different.

1390
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<00:54:40.125>So <00:54:40.300>we <00:54:40.475>have <00:54:40.650>now <00:54:40.825>this <00:54:41.000>bigger <00:54:41.175>push <00:54:41.350>into <00:54:41.525>these

1391
00:54:44.035 --> 00:54:46.325
<00:54:44.035>full <00:54:44.501>fledged <00:54:44.968>complete <00:54:45.435>things.

1392
00:54:46.805 --> 00:54:49.525
<00:54:46.805>I <00:54:46.921>don't <00:54:47.038>know, <00:54:47.154>I <00:54:47.271>still <00:54:47.388>have <00:54:47.504>to <00:54:47.621>wrap <00:54:47.738>my <00:54:47.855>heart, <00:54:47.971>uh, <00:54:48.088>my <00:54:48.205>head

1393
00:54:49.525 --> 00:54:51.845
<00:54:49.525>around <00:54:49.758>it, <00:54:49.991>um, <00:54:50.225>where <00:54:50.458>we <00:54:50.691>are <00:54:50.925>going

1394
00:54:51.915 --> 00:54:53.605
<00:54:51.915>because <00:54:52.195>in <00:54:52.475>my <00:54:52.755>opinion, <00:54:53.035>we <00:54:53.315>have

1395
00:54:53.605 --> 00:54:55.005
<00:54:53.605>to <00:54:53.785>draw <00:54:53.965>the <00:54:54.145>line <00:54:54.325>at <00:54:54.505>some <00:54:54.685>point, <00:54:54.865>right?

1396
00:54:55.225 --> 00:54:57.525
<00:54:55.225>Should, <00:54:55.424>should, <00:54:55.625>this <00:54:55.825>should <00:54:56.025>be <00:54:56.225>the <00:54:56.424>whole <00:54:56.625>thing.

1397
00:54:57.965 --> 00:55:01.125
<00:54:57.965>I <00:54:58.105>also <00:54:58.245>know <00:54:58.385>that <00:54:58.525>Evan <00:54:58.665>View <00:54:58.805>from <00:54:58.945>the <00:54:59.085>View <00:54:59.225>ecosystem <00:54:59.365>now

1398
00:55:01.125 --> 00:55:02.645
<00:55:01.125>collected <00:55:01.467>some <00:55:01.809>VC <00:55:02.151>money, <00:55:02.493>right?

1399
00:55:02.645 --> 00:55:06.605
<00:55:02.645>To <00:55:02.820>build <00:55:02.995>the, <00:55:03.170>the <00:55:03.345>new <00:55:03.520>perfect <00:55:03.695>JavaScript <00:55:03.870>tooling <00:55:04.045>stack.

1400
00:55:07.165 --> 00:55:09.725
<00:55:07.165>I <00:55:07.281>know <00:55:07.398>that <00:55:07.515>many <00:55:07.631>people <00:55:07.748>tried. <00:55:07.865>We <00:55:07.981>will <00:55:08.098>see <00:55:08.215>where <00:55:08.331>we <00:55:08.448>end <00:55:08.565>up.

1401
00:55:10.085 --> 00:55:11.085
<00:55:10.085>I <00:55:10.385>don't <00:55:10.685>know <00:55:10.985>yet.

1402
00:55:11.795 --> 00:55:13.045
<00:55:11.795>Yeah, <00:55:12.076>it's <00:55:12.357>an <00:55:12.638>interesting <00:55:12.920>one.

1403
00:55:13.045 --> 00:55:14.205
<00:55:13.045>The, <00:55:13.253>the, <00:55:13.462>uh, <00:55:13.671>uh, <00:55:13.880>the <00:55:14.089>amount

1404
00:55:14.205 --> 00:55:15.845
<00:55:14.205>of <00:55:14.555>dependencies <00:55:14.904>that <00:55:15.255>people <00:55:15.605>use.

1405
00:55:16.085 --> 00:55:17.485
<00:55:16.085>I, <00:55:16.295>I <00:55:16.505>think <00:55:16.715>this <00:55:16.925>is <00:55:17.135>really <00:55:17.345>nice

1406
00:55:17.485 --> 00:55:19.885
<00:55:17.485>because <00:55:17.660>it <00:55:17.835>actually <00:55:18.010>would <00:55:18.185>allow <00:55:18.360>you <00:55:18.535>to, <00:55:18.710>to <00:55:18.885>plow

1407
00:55:19.885 --> 00:55:22.525
<00:55:19.885>through <00:55:20.060>your <00:55:20.235>systems <00:55:20.410>and <00:55:20.585>first <00:55:20.760>of <00:55:20.935>all, <00:55:21.110>update <00:55:21.285>note,

1408
00:55:22.535 --> 00:55:24.605
<00:55:22.535>which <00:55:22.690>is <00:55:22.846>like <00:55:23.001>a <00:55:23.157>lot <00:55:23.312>of <00:55:23.468>people <00:55:23.623>don't <00:55:23.779>do <00:55:23.935>enough.

1409
00:55:24.915 --> 00:55:26.805
<00:55:24.915>Yeah. <00:55:25.148>And <00:55:25.381>then <00:55:25.615>be <00:55:25.848>like <00:55:26.081>that, <00:55:26.315>uh,

1410
00:55:27.005 --> 00:55:28.725
<00:55:27.005>I <00:55:27.180>guess <00:55:27.355>you <00:55:27.530>can <00:55:27.705>delete <00:55:27.880>a <00:55:28.055>lot <00:55:28.230>of <00:55:28.405>code

1411
00:55:28.725 --> 00:55:30.045
<00:55:28.725>that <00:55:28.894>you <00:55:29.064>had <00:55:29.234>in <00:55:29.403>the <00:55:29.573>past <00:55:29.743>that <00:55:29.913>was

1412
00:55:30.145 --> 00:55:32.725
<00:55:30.145>for <00:55:30.320>some <00:55:30.495>certain <00:55:30.670>test <00:55:30.845>framework <00:55:31.020>or <00:55:31.195>something <00:55:31.370>like <00:55:31.545>that.

1413
00:55:33.265 --> 00:55:35.445
<00:55:33.265>And <00:55:33.420>deleting <00:55:33.576>code <00:55:33.731>is <00:55:33.887>the <00:55:34.042>most <00:55:34.198>fun <00:55:34.353>you <00:55:34.509>can <00:55:34.665>have

1414
00:55:35.525 --> 00:55:36.565
<00:55:35.525>as <00:55:35.759>a <00:55:35.993>developer, <00:55:36.227>I <00:55:36.461>think.

1415
00:55:36.875 --> 00:55:38.525
<00:55:36.875>Yeah. <00:55:37.075>I <00:55:37.275>mean <00:55:37.475>in <00:55:37.675>this <00:55:37.875>post <00:55:38.075>there's <00:55:38.275>a

1416
00:55:38.725 --> 00:55:40.005
<00:55:38.725>a, <00:55:38.955>a <00:55:39.185>comparison <00:55:39.416>at <00:55:39.646>the <00:55:39.877>end.

1417
00:55:40.075 --> 00:55:42.085
<00:55:40.075>It's <00:55:40.355>just <00:55:40.634>that <00:55:40.915>fewer <00:55:41.194>dependencies <00:55:41.475>is

1418
00:55:42.085 --> 00:55:43.285
<00:55:42.085>better <00:55:42.625>dependencies, <00:55:43.165>right?

1419
00:55:43.385 --> 00:55:45.725
<00:55:43.385>And, <00:55:43.665>and <00:55:43.945>whoever <00:55:44.225>runs <00:55:44.505>NPM <00:55:44.785>install

1420
00:55:46.065 --> 00:55:49.645
<00:55:46.065>and <00:55:46.192>gets <00:55:46.319>one <00:55:46.446>on <00:55:46.574>5,200 <00:55:46.701>megabytes <00:55:46.828>for <00:55:46.955>a <00:55:47.083>hella <00:55:47.210>world <00:55:47.337>out <00:55:47.465>there.

1421
00:55:50.145 --> 00:55:53.525
<00:55:50.145>And <00:55:50.320>so <00:55:50.495>this <00:55:50.670>table <00:55:50.845>there, <00:55:51.020>it's <00:55:51.195>just <00:55:51.370>50 <00:55:51.545>megabyte

1422
00:55:53.525 --> 00:55:55.565
<00:55:53.525>for <00:55:53.758>a <00:55:53.991>hella <00:55:54.225>world <00:55:54.458>is <00:55:54.691>ridiculous, <00:55:54.925>right?

1423
00:55:55.785 --> 00:55:58.365
<00:55:55.785>But <00:55:55.912>if <00:55:56.039>you <00:55:56.166>just <00:55:56.294>use <00:55:56.421>the <00:55:56.548>stuff <00:55:56.675>that <00:55:56.803>is <00:55:56.930>included <00:55:57.057>near <00:55:57.185>runtime,

1424
00:55:58.665 --> 00:56:01.645
<00:55:58.665>use <00:55:58.840>the <00:55:59.015>people <00:55:59.190>update <00:55:59.365>note <00:55:59.540>and <00:55:59.715>use <00:55:59.890>the <00:56:00.065>stuff,

1425
00:56:02.385 --> 00:56:04.325
<00:56:02.385>We <00:56:02.585>made <00:56:02.785>fun <00:56:02.985>of <00:56:03.185>the <00:56:03.385>Visual <00:56:03.585>Studio <00:56:03.785>people

1426
00:56:04.385 --> 00:56:06.165
<00:56:04.385>and <00:56:04.585>we <00:56:04.785>made <00:56:04.985>fun <00:56:05.185>of <00:56:05.385>the <00:56:05.585>Xcode <00:56:05.785>people

1427
00:56:06.185 --> 00:56:07.765
<00:56:06.185>and <00:56:06.384>said <00:56:06.585>like, <00:56:06.785>we're <00:56:06.985>gonna, <00:56:07.185>in <00:56:07.384>the <00:56:07.585>JavaScript

1428
00:56:07.765 --> 00:56:08.845
<00:56:07.765>world <00:56:08.008>be <00:56:08.250>much <00:56:08.493>more <00:56:08.736>lightweight.

1429
00:56:08.845 --> 00:56:12.245
<00:56:08.845>And <00:56:09.078>now <00:56:09.311>we <00:56:09.544>forgot <00:56:09.778>about <00:56:10.011>it. <00:56:10.245>Yeah.

1430
00:56:13.245 --> 00:56:17.415
<00:56:13.245>It's <00:56:13.420>wild. <00:56:13.595>A <00:56:13.770>standards <00:56:13.944>first <00:56:14.120>framework <00:56:14.295>called <00:56:14.470>New <00:56:14.645>NUE.

1431
00:56:17.915 --> 00:56:19.535
<00:56:17.915>And <00:56:18.090>Dan, <00:56:18.265>you <00:56:18.440>took <00:56:18.615>a <00:56:18.790>look <00:56:18.965>at <00:56:19.140>that, <00:56:19.315>right?

1432
00:56:20.165 --> 00:56:22.055
<00:56:20.165>Yeah, <00:56:20.365>yeah. <00:56:20.565>Um, <00:56:20.765>I <00:56:20.965>think, <00:56:21.165>I'll <00:56:21.365>be <00:56:21.565>honest,

1433
00:56:22.215 --> 00:56:23.725
<00:56:22.215>I <00:56:22.384>rolled <00:56:22.554>my <00:56:22.724>eyes <00:56:22.894>when <00:56:23.064>I <00:56:23.234>first <00:56:23.404>saw <00:56:23.574>it.

1434
00:56:23.845 --> 00:56:25.525
<00:56:23.845>'cause <00:56:24.020>I <00:56:24.194>thought, <00:56:24.370>oh, <00:56:24.544>do <00:56:24.720>we <00:56:24.895>need <00:56:25.069>another <00:56:25.245>framework?

1435
00:56:25.525 --> 00:56:26.765
<00:56:25.525>And <00:56:25.664>then <00:56:25.804>I <00:56:25.943>looked <00:56:26.083>a <00:56:26.222>little <00:56:26.362>bit <00:56:26.501>more <00:56:26.641>deeply,

1436
00:56:26.865 --> 00:56:29.125
<00:56:26.865>and <00:56:27.040>I <00:56:27.214>know <00:56:27.390>when <00:56:27.564>they <00:56:27.740>say <00:56:27.915>standards <00:56:28.089>first <00:56:28.265>I

1437
00:56:29.125 --> 00:56:30.165
<00:56:29.125>thought, <00:56:29.593>yep, <00:56:30.061>okay.

1438
00:56:30.165 --> 00:56:31.445
<00:56:30.165>It <00:56:30.357>still <00:56:30.549>just <00:56:30.741>says <00:56:30.933>to <00:56:31.125>me <00:56:31.317>another

1439
00:56:31.445 --> 00:56:32.965
<00:56:31.445>framework, <00:56:31.787>um, <00:56:32.129>I'm <00:56:32.471>not <00:56:32.813>sold.

1440
00:56:33.025 --> 00:56:35.645
<00:56:33.025>And <00:56:33.141>then <00:56:33.258>the <00:56:33.375>more <00:56:33.491>I <00:56:33.608>read <00:56:33.725>it, <00:56:33.841>the <00:56:33.958>more <00:56:34.075>they <00:56:34.191>make <00:56:34.308>the <00:56:34.425>case

1441
00:56:35.745 --> 00:56:38.045
<00:56:35.745>for, <00:56:35.884>you <00:56:36.025>know, <00:56:36.165>the <00:56:36.305>problems <00:56:36.444>that <00:56:36.585>we've <00:56:36.725>got <00:56:36.865>today <00:56:37.005>in <00:56:37.145>terms

1442
00:56:38.045 --> 00:56:40.445
<00:56:38.045>of, <00:56:38.185>there's <00:56:38.325>a <00:56:38.465>really <00:56:38.605>good <00:56:38.745>one <00:56:38.885>about <00:56:39.025>halfway <00:56:39.165>down <00:56:39.305>the <00:56:39.445>article

1443
00:56:40.495 --> 00:56:43.405
<00:56:40.495>under <00:56:40.670>the <00:56:40.845>second <00:56:41.020>header, <00:56:41.194>uh, <00:56:41.370>the <00:56:41.545>design <00:56:41.720>engineering <00:56:41.895>problem

1444
00:56:43.695 --> 00:56:46.925
<00:56:43.695>where, <00:56:43.850>for <00:56:44.006>example, <00:56:44.161>they <00:56:44.317>show <00:56:44.472>you, <00:56:44.628>uh, <00:56:44.783>a <00:56:44.939>cryptic <00:56:45.095>block

1445
00:56:46.945 --> 00:56:49.365
<00:56:46.945>of <00:56:47.178>tailwind, <00:56:47.411>uh, <00:56:47.645>classes, <00:56:47.878>you <00:56:48.111>know, <00:56:48.345>flexis

1446
00:56:49.365 --> 00:56:51.845
<00:56:49.365>and <00:56:49.564>center <00:56:49.765>shadow <00:56:49.964>large <00:56:50.165>P <00:56:50.365>six <00:56:50.564>hover <00:56:50.765>bg,

1447
00:56:52.185 --> 00:56:54.525
<00:56:52.185>and <00:56:52.384>that <00:56:52.585>it, <00:56:52.785>it, <00:56:52.985>it <00:56:53.185>doesn't <00:56:53.384>scale <00:56:53.585>up.

1448
00:56:54.555 --> 00:56:56.845
<00:56:54.555>It's <00:56:54.710>a <00:56:54.866>awful <00:56:55.021>practice <00:56:55.177>when <00:56:55.332>it <00:56:55.488>comes <00:56:55.643>to <00:56:55.799>design <00:56:55.955>systems.

1449
00:56:57.265 --> 00:57:00.605
<00:56:57.265>Uh, <00:56:57.404>I <00:56:57.545>use <00:56:57.685>Tailwind <00:56:57.825>and <00:56:57.964>everybody <00:56:58.105>tells <00:56:58.245>me <00:56:58.384>it <00:56:58.525>scales <00:56:58.665>up

1450
00:57:00.665 --> 00:57:02.725
<00:57:00.665>and <00:57:00.945>I <00:57:01.225>still <00:57:01.505>always <00:57:01.785>find <00:57:02.065>issues

1451
00:57:02.725 --> 00:57:05.165
<00:57:02.725>with <00:57:02.880>it <00:57:03.036>scaling <00:57:03.191>up <00:57:03.347>every <00:57:03.502>single <00:57:03.658>time <00:57:03.813>it <00:57:03.969>gets <00:57:04.125>messy,

1452
00:57:05.395 --> 00:57:07.005
<00:57:05.395>there's <00:57:05.861>duplication, <00:57:06.328>et <00:57:06.795>cetera.

1453
00:57:07.385 --> 00:57:11.125
<00:57:07.385>Um, <00:57:07.525>so <00:57:07.665>that's <00:57:07.805>just <00:57:07.945>one <00:57:08.085>side <00:57:08.225>that <00:57:08.365>this <00:57:08.505>framework <00:57:08.645>is <00:57:08.785>looking

1454
00:57:11.125 --> 00:57:12.885
<00:57:11.125>to <00:57:11.300>kind <00:57:11.475>of, <00:57:11.650>uh, <00:57:11.825>deal <00:57:12.000>with <00:57:12.175>if <00:57:12.350>you <00:57:12.525>like.

1455
00:57:13.265 --> 00:57:15.005
<00:57:13.265>Um, <00:57:13.464>and <00:57:13.665>I, <00:57:13.865>I <00:57:14.065>do <00:57:14.265>think <00:57:14.464>there's <00:57:14.665>some,

1456
00:57:15.195 --> 00:57:17.245
<00:57:15.195>there's <00:57:15.545>something <00:57:15.895>interesting <00:57:16.245>in <00:57:16.595>there.

1457
00:57:17.705 --> 00:57:21.725
<00:57:17.705>My <00:57:17.860>concern <00:57:18.016>is <00:57:18.171>that <00:57:18.327>it, <00:57:18.482>it's <00:57:18.638>asking <00:57:18.793>people <00:57:18.949>to <00:57:19.105>rethink

1458
00:57:21.725 --> 00:57:22.965
<00:57:21.725>how <00:57:21.911>they're <00:57:22.096>doing <00:57:22.283>things <00:57:22.469>at <00:57:22.655>the <00:57:22.841>moment,

1459
00:57:23.105 --> 00:57:24.405
<00:57:23.105>and <00:57:23.339>maybe <00:57:23.573>it's <00:57:23.807>come <00:57:24.041>too <00:57:24.275>late

1460
00:57:24.825 --> 00:57:27.365
<00:57:24.825>and <00:57:25.000>that <00:57:25.174>frameworks <00:57:25.350>like <00:57:25.524>something <00:57:25.700>like <00:57:25.875>next, <00:57:26.049>for <00:57:26.225>example,

1461
00:57:27.395 --> 00:57:28.525
<00:57:27.395>next <00:57:27.903>js, <00:57:28.412>um,

1462
00:57:28.715 --> 00:57:30.845
<00:57:28.715>it's <00:57:28.915>already <00:57:29.115>got <00:57:29.315>people <00:57:29.515>thinking <00:57:29.715>in <00:57:29.915>certain <00:57:30.115>ways

1463
00:57:31.225 --> 00:57:33.565
<00:57:31.225>and <00:57:31.400>they, <00:57:31.575>they <00:57:31.750>do <00:57:31.924>change, <00:57:32.100>you <00:57:32.275>know, <00:57:32.450>over <00:57:32.625>time.

1464
00:57:33.565 --> 00:57:35.445
<00:57:33.565>They've <00:57:33.765>particularly <00:57:33.965>changed <00:57:34.165>when <00:57:34.365>they <00:57:34.565>brought <00:57:34.765>in <00:57:34.965>the

1465
00:57:35.445 --> 00:57:36.485
<00:57:35.445>app <00:57:35.757>router, <00:57:36.069>for <00:57:36.381>example.

1466
00:57:36.825 --> 00:57:39.045
<00:57:36.825>So <00:57:36.952>they <00:57:37.079>do <00:57:37.206>ask <00:57:37.334>you <00:57:37.461>to <00:57:37.588>kind <00:57:37.715>of <00:57:37.843>adopt <00:57:37.970>new <00:57:38.097>mental <00:57:38.225>models,

1467
00:57:39.225 --> 00:57:43.085
<00:57:39.225>but <00:57:39.332>it <00:57:39.440>feels <00:57:39.548>like, <00:57:39.655>at <00:57:39.763>least <00:57:39.871>for <00:57:39.978>now, <00:57:40.086>it, <00:57:40.194>it <00:57:40.301>would <00:57:40.409>be <00:57:40.517>a <00:57:40.625>lot

1468
00:57:43.085 --> 00:57:45.805
<00:57:43.085>of <00:57:43.225>work <00:57:43.365>for <00:57:43.505>somebody <00:57:43.645>to <00:57:43.785>pick <00:57:43.925>up <00:57:44.065>new <00:57:44.205>as <00:57:44.345>a <00:57:44.485>framework

1469
00:57:45.835 --> 00:57:47.605
<00:57:45.835>because <00:57:46.115>they <00:57:46.395>would've <00:57:46.675>to <00:57:46.955>rethink <00:57:47.235>everything.

1470
00:57:47.705 --> 00:57:49.365
<00:57:47.705>And <00:57:47.880>it's <00:57:48.055>whether <00:57:48.230>or <00:57:48.404>not <00:57:48.580>they <00:57:48.755>really <00:57:48.930>wanna <00:57:49.105>do

1471
00:57:49.365 --> 00:57:51.045
<00:57:49.365>that <00:57:49.540>when <00:57:49.714>we <00:57:49.890>don't <00:57:50.064>know <00:57:50.240>if <00:57:50.415>those <00:57:50.589>new <00:57:50.765>ways

1472
00:57:51.045 --> 00:57:52.725
<00:57:51.045>of <00:57:51.220>thinking <00:57:51.395>are <00:57:51.570>actually <00:57:51.745>going <00:57:51.920>to <00:57:52.095>be <00:57:52.270>the <00:57:52.445>way

1473
00:57:52.725 --> 00:57:54.045
<00:57:52.725>that <00:57:53.022>we <00:57:53.319>work <00:57:53.616>moving <00:57:53.913>forward.

1474
00:57:54.625 --> 00:57:57.565
<00:57:54.625>Um, <00:57:54.780>so <00:57:54.936>yes, <00:57:55.091>it's <00:57:55.247>just, <00:57:55.402>it's <00:57:55.558>just <00:57:55.713>unfortunate <00:57:55.869>great <00:57:56.025>ideas.

1475
00:57:57.725 --> 00:57:58.645
<00:57:57.725>I <00:57:57.863>just <00:57:58.000>don't <00:57:58.139>know <00:57:58.277>if <00:57:58.415>they're <00:57:58.553>gonna

1476
00:57:58.645 --> 00:57:59.685
<00:57:58.645>go <00:57:58.879>anywhere <00:57:59.113>at <00:57:59.346>the <00:57:59.581>moment,

1477
00:58:00.035 --> 00:58:01.035
<00:58:00.035>Unfortunately. <00:58:00.935>Mm-hmm.

1478
00:58:01.035 --> 00:58:03.845
<00:58:01.035>What <00:58:01.234>do <00:58:01.435>you <00:58:01.634>think, <00:58:01.835>Dan, <00:58:02.035>is <00:58:02.234>there <00:58:02.435>space

1479
00:58:03.845 --> 00:58:05.485
<00:58:03.845>for <00:58:04.078>another <00:58:04.311>one <00:58:04.544>that <00:58:04.778>is <00:58:05.011>standards <00:58:05.245>based?

1480
00:58:05.545 --> 00:58:07.405
<00:58:05.545>Or <00:58:05.825>is <00:58:06.105>standards <00:58:06.385>based? <00:58:06.665>Standards <00:58:06.945>based?

1481
00:58:10.045 --> 00:58:11.045
<00:58:10.045>I <00:58:10.195>mean, <00:58:10.345>we <00:58:10.495>have <00:58:10.645>to, <00:58:10.795>we <00:58:10.945>have

1482
00:58:11.045 --> 00:58:12.365
<00:58:11.045>to <00:58:11.193>figure <00:58:11.342>out <00:58:11.490>where <00:58:11.639>we're <00:58:11.787>going <00:58:11.935>with <00:58:12.084>that, <00:58:12.232>right?

1483
00:58:12.365 --> 00:58:14.165
<00:58:12.365>There's, <00:58:12.598>there's <00:58:12.831>also <00:58:13.064>this <00:58:13.298>divide <00:58:13.531>right <00:58:13.765>now

1484
00:58:14.405 --> 00:58:16.525
<00:58:14.405>that <00:58:14.545>we <00:58:14.685>are <00:58:14.825>just <00:58:14.965>shipping <00:58:15.105>too <00:58:15.245>much <00:58:15.385>code <00:58:15.525>to <00:58:15.665>the <00:58:15.805>client.

1485
00:58:16.545 --> 00:58:18.325
<00:58:16.545>And <00:58:16.720>that <00:58:16.895>is, <00:58:17.070>in <00:58:17.245>my <00:58:17.420>opinion, <00:58:17.595>just <00:58:17.770>a <00:58:17.945>fact.

1486
00:58:18.665 --> 00:58:20.445
<00:58:18.665>We <00:58:18.898>are <00:58:19.131>shipping <00:58:19.365>JavaScript <00:58:19.598>for <00:58:19.831>no <00:58:20.065>reason.

1487
00:58:20.625 --> 00:58:24.405
<00:58:20.625>We <00:58:20.825>are <00:58:21.025>hydrating <00:58:21.225>Rehydrating <00:58:21.425>doing <00:58:21.625>client <00:58:21.825>site <00:58:22.025>routing,

1488
00:58:24.405 --> 00:58:27.925
<00:58:24.405>literally <00:58:24.545>for <00:58:24.685>no <00:58:24.825>reason, <00:58:24.965>just <00:58:25.105>a <00:58:25.245>matter <00:58:25.385>on <00:58:25.525>how <00:58:25.665>quickly, <00:58:25.805>um,

1489
00:58:28.025 --> 00:58:29.965
<00:58:28.025>people <00:58:28.305>will <00:58:28.585>be <00:58:28.865>punished <00:58:29.145>for <00:58:29.425>it.

1490
00:58:30.195 --> 00:58:33.285
<00:58:30.195>Because <00:58:30.395>marketing <00:58:30.595>sites <00:58:30.795>don't <00:58:30.995>need <00:58:31.195>a <00:58:31.395>react <00:58:31.595>stack

1491
00:58:33.315 --> 00:58:34.605
<00:58:33.315>like <00:58:33.702>at <00:58:34.089>all, <00:58:34.476>right?

1492
00:58:34.945 --> 00:58:36.725
<00:58:34.945>Um, <00:58:35.120>I <00:58:35.295>think <00:58:35.470>there's <00:58:35.645>right <00:58:35.820>now <00:58:35.995>a <00:58:36.170>little <00:58:36.345>bit

1493
00:58:36.725 --> 00:58:37.845
<00:58:36.725>of <00:58:37.229>consideration <00:58:37.732>there

1494
00:58:37.875 --> 00:58:41.125
<00:58:37.875>that <00:58:38.075>next <00:58:38.275>react <00:58:38.475>shouldn't <00:58:38.675>be <00:58:38.875>the <00:58:39.075>default <00:58:39.275>there.

1495
00:58:41.125 --> 00:58:44.165
<00:58:41.125>And <00:58:41.280>I'm <00:58:41.436>also <00:58:41.591>the <00:58:41.747>skeptic <00:58:41.902>there <00:58:42.058>of <00:58:42.213>shipping <00:58:42.369>more <00:58:42.525>code

1496
00:58:44.165 --> 00:58:48.085
<00:58:44.165>as <00:58:44.320>a <00:58:44.476>default, <00:58:44.631>um, <00:58:44.787>which <00:58:44.942>could <00:58:45.098>potentially <00:58:45.253>kind <00:58:45.409>of <00:58:45.565>bring

1497
00:58:48.705 --> 00:58:52.125
<00:58:48.705>or <00:58:48.880>open <00:58:49.055>up <00:58:49.230>the <00:58:49.404>development <00:58:49.580>world <00:58:49.755>for <00:58:49.930>other <00:58:50.105>choices.

1498
00:58:52.825 --> 00:58:55.645
<00:58:52.825>But <00:58:52.941>right <00:58:53.058>now <00:58:53.174>I <00:58:53.291>think <00:58:53.408>the <00:58:53.524>market <00:58:53.641>is <00:58:53.758>still <00:58:53.875>a <00:58:53.991>little <00:58:54.108>bit <00:58:54.225>set

1499
00:58:55.645 --> 00:58:58.005
<00:58:55.645>on <00:58:55.878>the <00:58:56.111>defaults <00:58:56.345>and <00:58:56.578>it's <00:58:56.811>very <00:58:57.045>hard

1500
00:58:58.005 --> 00:58:59.805
<00:58:58.005>to <00:58:58.238>establish <00:58:58.471>a <00:58:58.705>new <00:58:58.938>framework <00:58:59.171>right <00:58:59.405>now.

1501
00:59:00.465 --> 00:59:02.565
<00:59:00.465>So <00:59:00.698>it <00:59:00.931>was <00:59:01.165>already <00:59:01.398>10 <00:59:01.631>years <00:59:01.865>ago.

1502
00:59:02.905 --> 00:59:04.405
<00:59:02.905>Now <00:59:03.130>it's <00:59:03.355>even <00:59:03.580>harder. <00:59:03.805>I <00:59:04.030>don't <00:59:04.255>know.

1503
00:59:04.875 --> 00:59:06.805
<00:59:04.875>It's <00:59:05.015>so <00:59:05.155>bizarre <00:59:05.295>when <00:59:05.435>you <00:59:05.575>look <00:59:05.715>at <00:59:05.855>the <00:59:05.995>age <00:59:06.135>of <00:59:06.275>things.

1504
00:59:07.045 --> 00:59:08.605
<00:59:07.045>I <00:59:07.220>mean <00:59:07.395>like <00:59:07.570>React <00:59:07.745>is <00:59:07.920>like <00:59:08.095>12 <00:59:08.270>years <00:59:08.445>old

1505
00:59:08.605 --> 00:59:09.765
<00:59:08.605>or <00:59:08.866>something <00:59:09.127>like <00:59:09.388>that <00:59:09.649>now.

1506
00:59:09.995 --> 00:59:13.525
<00:59:09.995>Yeah, <00:59:10.150>yeah. <00:59:10.306>And <00:59:10.461>HTMX <00:59:10.617>that <00:59:10.772>we <00:59:10.928>talked <00:59:11.083>about <00:59:11.239>last <00:59:11.395>time

1507
00:59:13.525 --> 00:59:14.925
<00:59:13.525>that <00:59:13.705>we <00:59:13.885>still <00:59:14.065>don't <00:59:14.245>know <00:59:14.425>what <00:59:14.605>it <00:59:14.785>is,

1508
00:59:15.025 --> 00:59:18.245
<00:59:15.025>is <00:59:15.180>also <00:59:15.336>two <00:59:15.491>years <00:59:15.647>old <00:59:15.802>now <00:59:15.958>or <00:59:16.113>something <00:59:16.269>like <00:59:16.425>that.

1509
00:59:18.305 --> 00:59:19.805
<00:59:18.305>So <00:59:18.529>it's, <00:59:18.754>it's <00:59:18.980>really <00:59:19.205>like <00:59:19.430>you <00:59:19.654>forget

1510
00:59:19.805 --> 00:59:20.925
<00:59:19.805>about <00:59:20.057>these <00:59:20.309>things <00:59:20.561>really <00:59:20.813>fast.

1511
00:59:21.065 --> 00:59:22.845
<00:59:21.065>And <00:59:21.345>I <00:59:21.625>remember <00:59:21.905>doing <00:59:22.185>Ajax <00:59:22.465>times,

1512
00:59:22.845 --> 00:59:25.605
<00:59:22.845>there <00:59:23.078>was <00:59:23.311>like <00:59:23.544>125 <00:59:23.778>different <00:59:24.011>Ajax <00:59:24.245>frameworks,

1513
00:59:25.605 --> 00:59:27.405
<00:59:25.605>and <00:59:25.780>then <00:59:25.955>Jake <00:59:26.130>Barry <00:59:26.305>was <00:59:26.480>the <00:59:26.655>only <00:59:26.830>one <00:59:27.005>left.

1514
00:59:28.025 --> 00:59:29.045
<00:59:28.025>And, <00:59:28.331>uh, <00:59:28.637>uh, <00:59:28.943>yeah.

1515
00:59:29.145 --> 00:59:33.605
<00:59:29.145>And <00:59:29.285>it, <00:59:29.425>it's <00:59:29.565>interesting, <00:59:29.705>uh, <00:59:29.845>one <00:59:29.985>last <00:59:30.125>bit <00:59:30.265>like <00:59:30.405>that, <00:59:30.545>uh,

1516
00:59:33.665 --> 00:59:38.245
<00:59:33.665>uh, <00:59:33.820>that, <00:59:33.976>uh, <00:59:34.131>uh, <00:59:34.287>okay, <00:59:34.442>I'm <00:59:34.598>on <00:59:34.753>the <00:59:34.909>other <00:59:35.065>computer.

1517
00:59:38.245 --> 00:59:42.245
<00:59:38.245>That's <00:59:38.444>a <00:59:38.645>problem. <00:59:38.845>Um, <00:59:39.045>that <00:59:39.245>class <00:59:39.444>name <00:59:39.645>thing,

1518
00:59:42.385 --> 00:59:45.365
<00:59:42.385>that's <00:59:42.525>another <00:59:42.665>holy <00:59:42.805>war <00:59:42.945>that <00:59:43.085>we <00:59:43.225>keep <00:59:43.365>having <00:59:43.505>to <00:59:43.645>talk <00:59:43.785>about.

1519
00:59:45.435 --> 00:59:47.725
<00:59:45.435>Like <00:59:45.715>is <00:59:45.995>like <00:59:46.275>semantic <00:59:46.555>class <00:59:46.835>names

1520
00:59:47.945 --> 00:59:50.325
<00:59:47.945>or <00:59:48.145>is <00:59:48.345>the <00:59:48.545>name <00:59:48.745>of <00:59:48.945>the <00:59:49.145>class <00:59:49.345>unnecessary?

1521
00:59:50.745 --> 00:59:52.005
<00:59:50.745>What's <00:59:51.123>the <00:59:51.501>first <00:59:51.879>discussion?

1522
00:59:52.005 --> 00:59:55.245
<00:59:52.005>And <00:59:52.145>then <00:59:52.285>later <00:59:52.425>on, <00:59:52.565>this <00:59:52.705>to <00:59:52.845>me <00:59:52.985>looks <00:59:53.125>like <00:59:53.265>inline <00:59:53.405>styles,

1523
00:59:55.245 --> 00:59:59.195
<00:59:55.245>and <00:59:55.444>I <00:59:55.645>don't <00:59:55.845>understand <00:59:56.045>why <00:59:56.245>people <00:59:56.444>do <00:59:56.645>that.

1524
00:59:59.195 --> 01:00:01.195
<00:59:59.195>Am <00:59:59.370>I <00:59:59.545>old? <00:59:59.720>Am <00:59:59.895>I <01:00:00.070>bad? <01:00:00.245>Am <01:00:00.420>I <01:00:00.595>wrong?

1525
01:00:02.585 --> 01:00:05.555
<01:00:02.585>It's <01:00:02.725>similar <01:00:02.865>to <01:00:03.005>inline <01:00:03.145>styles. <01:00:03.285>It <01:00:03.425>is <01:00:03.565>like <01:00:03.705>I <01:00:03.845>can't <01:00:03.985>lie.

1526
01:00:05.655 --> 01:00:07.315
<01:00:05.655>Um, <01:00:05.888>there's <01:00:06.121>definitely <01:00:06.355>drawbacks <01:00:06.588>with <01:00:06.821>it <01:00:07.055>though.

1527
01:00:07.345 --> 01:00:09.075
<01:00:07.345>It's <01:00:07.520>not <01:00:07.694>as, <01:00:07.870>you <01:00:08.044>can't, <01:00:08.220>you <01:00:08.395>can't <01:00:08.569>do <01:00:08.745>some

1528
01:00:09.075 --> 01:00:10.675
<01:00:09.075>of <01:00:09.250>the <01:00:09.424>things <01:00:09.600>you <01:00:09.774>can <01:00:09.950>do <01:00:10.125>with <01:00:10.299>inline <01:00:10.475>styles.

1529
01:00:10.705 --> 01:00:14.435
<01:00:10.705>It's <01:00:10.832>got <01:00:10.959>this <01:00:11.086>just <01:00:11.214>in <01:00:11.341>time, <01:00:11.468>um, <01:00:11.595>engine <01:00:11.723>I <01:00:11.850>believe <01:00:11.977>in <01:00:12.105>inside

1530
01:00:14.435 --> 01:00:16.235
<01:00:14.435>of <01:00:14.575>Tailwind, <01:00:14.715>but <01:00:14.855>it's <01:00:14.995>this <01:00:15.134>idea <01:00:15.275>that <01:00:15.415>you <01:00:15.555>should <01:00:15.695>be <01:00:15.835>able

1531
01:00:16.395 --> 01:00:17.595
<01:00:16.395>to <01:00:16.665>pass <01:00:16.935>in <01:00:17.205>things <01:00:17.475>dynamically

1532
01:00:17.595 --> 01:00:19.275
<01:00:17.595>and <01:00:17.828>it'll <01:00:18.061>render <01:00:18.294>those <01:00:18.528>as <01:00:18.761>CSS <01:00:18.995>classes,

1533
01:00:19.815 --> 01:00:22.195
<01:00:19.815>but <01:00:20.015>it, <01:00:20.215>it, <01:00:20.415>it <01:00:20.615>doesn't <01:00:20.815>effectively <01:00:21.015>if <01:00:21.215>it's,

1534
01:00:22.195 --> 01:00:23.275
<01:00:22.195>if <01:00:22.438>it's <01:00:22.681>a <01:00:22.924>partial <01:00:23.167>class.

1535
01:00:23.495 --> 01:00:25.115
<01:00:23.495>So <01:00:23.775>if <01:00:24.055>you <01:00:24.335>passed <01:00:24.615>in <01:00:24.895>BG

1536
01:00:25.135 --> 01:00:27.115
<01:00:25.135>and <01:00:25.275>then <01:00:25.415>a <01:00:25.555>dynamic <01:00:25.695>color, <01:00:25.835>it <01:00:25.975>wouldn't <01:00:26.115>know <01:00:26.255>what <01:00:26.395>to <01:00:26.535>do.

1537
01:00:27.175 --> 01:00:29.035
<01:00:27.175>You <01:00:27.375>have <01:00:27.575>to <01:00:27.775>pass <01:00:27.975>in <01:00:28.175>BG <01:00:28.375>dynamic <01:00:28.575>color.

1538
01:00:29.215 --> 01:00:31.235
<01:00:29.215>So <01:00:29.331>you <01:00:29.448>end <01:00:29.565>up <01:00:29.681>having <01:00:29.798>to <01:00:29.915>do <01:00:30.031>quite <01:00:30.148>a <01:00:30.265>lot <01:00:30.381>of <01:00:30.498>work <01:00:30.615>just

1539
01:00:31.235 --> 01:00:33.515
<01:00:31.235>to <01:00:31.375>get <01:00:31.515>a <01:00:31.655>dynamic <01:00:31.795>class <01:00:31.935>in, <01:00:32.075>whereas <01:00:32.215>you <01:00:32.355>just <01:00:32.495>did <01:00:32.635>it

1540
01:00:33.515 --> 01:00:35.675
<01:00:33.515>with <01:00:33.642>inline <01:00:33.769>styles, <01:00:33.896>you <01:00:34.024>can <01:00:34.151>just <01:00:34.278>pass <01:00:34.405>it <01:00:34.533>in <01:00:34.660>as <01:00:34.787>it <01:00:34.915>is.

1541
01:00:36.095 --> 01:00:38.315
<01:00:36.095>Um, <01:00:36.328>so <01:00:36.561>yeah, <01:00:36.794>it, <01:00:37.028>it <01:00:37.261>is <01:00:37.495>and,

1542
01:00:38.375 --> 01:00:41.035
<01:00:38.375>and <01:00:38.491>you <01:00:38.608>end <01:00:38.725>up <01:00:38.841>with <01:00:38.958>a <01:00:39.075>lot <01:00:39.191>of <01:00:39.308>duplication <01:00:39.425>because <01:00:39.541>if <01:00:39.658>you <01:00:39.775>try

1543
01:00:41.035 --> 01:00:43.995
<01:00:41.035>and <01:00:41.162>use <01:00:41.289>that, <01:00:41.416>but <01:00:41.544>for <01:00:41.671>example, <01:00:41.798>that <01:00:41.925>flex, <01:00:42.053>uh, <01:00:42.180>kind <01:00:42.307>of <01:00:42.435>group

1544
01:00:43.995 --> 01:00:46.315
<01:00:43.995>of <01:00:44.150>classes, <01:00:44.306>you <01:00:44.461>might <01:00:44.617>try <01:00:44.772>and <01:00:44.928>use <01:00:45.083>that <01:00:45.239>somewhere <01:00:45.395>else,

1545
01:00:46.415 --> 01:00:48.915
<01:00:46.415>but <01:00:46.590>then, <01:00:46.765>oh, <01:00:46.940>now <01:00:47.115>I <01:00:47.290>need <01:00:47.465>a <01:00:47.640>different <01:00:47.815>padding.

1546
01:00:48.915 --> 01:00:51.315
<01:00:48.915>And <01:00:49.090>so <01:00:49.265>you <01:00:49.440>end <01:00:49.615>up <01:00:49.790>kind <01:00:49.965>of <01:00:50.140>constantly <01:00:50.315>conflicting

1547
01:00:51.315 --> 01:00:52.915
<01:00:51.315>with <01:00:51.595>yourself <01:00:51.875>and <01:00:52.155>having <01:00:52.435>to <01:00:52.715>override.

1548
01:00:52.975 --> 01:00:54.835
<01:00:52.975>And <01:00:53.325>it's <01:00:53.674>far <01:00:54.025>from <01:00:54.375>perfect,

1549
01:00:54.905 --> 01:00:56.435
<01:00:54.905>even <01:00:55.180>though <01:00:55.455>Tailwind <01:00:55.731>fans <01:00:56.006>will <01:00:56.282>say

1550
01:00:56.435 --> 01:00:57.795
<01:00:56.435>that <01:00:56.741>it's <01:00:57.047>the <01:00:57.353>way <01:00:57.659>forward.

1551
01:00:57.955 --> 01:00:59.955
<01:00:57.955>I, <01:00:58.110>I <01:00:58.266>don't <01:00:58.421>think <01:00:58.577>it <01:00:58.732>is, <01:00:58.888>it's <01:00:59.043>not <01:00:59.199>finished <01:00:59.355>yet.

1552
01:01:01.195 --> 01:01:03.285
<01:01:01.195>What <01:01:01.370>do <01:01:01.545>you <01:01:01.720>think? <01:01:01.895>I <01:01:02.070>was <01:01:02.245>very <01:01:02.420>skeptical <01:01:02.595>initially.

1553
01:01:03.465 --> 01:01:05.285
<01:01:03.465>I'm <01:01:03.745>tailwind <01:01:04.025>now <01:01:04.305>for <01:01:04.585>a <01:01:04.865>year.

1554
01:01:05.625 --> 01:01:09.725
<01:01:05.625>Um, <01:01:05.780>I <01:01:05.936>would <01:01:06.091>say <01:01:06.247>this <01:01:06.402>example <01:01:06.558>is <01:01:06.713>like <01:01:06.869>inland <01:01:07.025>styles

1555
01:01:09.725 --> 01:01:12.925
<01:01:09.725>because <01:01:09.900>it, <01:01:10.075>uh, <01:01:10.250>has <01:01:10.424>this, <01:01:10.600>uh, <01:01:10.775>dynamic <01:01:10.950>CSS <01:01:11.125>generation

1556
01:01:12.925 --> 01:01:14.245
<01:01:12.925>that <01:01:13.162>you <01:01:13.400>just <01:01:13.637>mentioned <01:01:13.875>then, <01:01:14.113>right?

1557
01:01:14.245 --> 01:01:15.485
<01:01:14.245>There's <01:01:14.524>square <01:01:14.803>brackets <01:01:15.082>in <01:01:15.361>there.

1558
01:01:15.875 --> 01:01:18.285
<01:01:15.875>They <01:01:16.050>will <01:01:16.225>just <01:01:16.400>immediately <01:01:16.575>spin <01:01:16.750>up <01:01:16.925>a <01:01:17.100>new <01:01:17.275>class

1559
01:01:18.285 --> 01:01:19.845
<01:01:18.285>that <01:01:18.565>goes <01:01:18.845>into <01:01:19.125>the <01:01:19.404>CSS <01:01:19.685>sheet.

1560
01:01:19.955 --> 01:01:24.575
<01:01:19.955>Without <01:01:20.130>it, <01:01:20.305>it's <01:01:20.480>just <01:01:20.654>a <01:01:20.830>bunch <01:01:21.005>of <01:01:21.180>tokens, <01:01:21.355>right?

1561
01:01:24.575 --> 01:01:26.175
<01:01:24.575>They're <01:01:25.041>not <01:01:25.508>pretty. <01:01:25.975>And,

1562
01:01:26.355 --> 01:01:28.935
<01:01:26.355>but <01:01:26.555>if <01:01:26.755>you're <01:01:26.955>dealing <01:01:27.155>with <01:01:27.355>a <01:01:27.555>component <01:01:27.755>kind

1563
01:01:28.935 --> 01:01:29.935
<01:01:28.935>of <01:01:29.384>driven <01:01:29.835>architecture

1564
01:01:29.935 --> 01:01:32.815
<01:01:29.935>and <01:01:30.075>you <01:01:30.215>kind <01:01:30.355>of <01:01:30.495>build <01:01:30.634>your <01:01:30.775>components <01:01:30.915>the <01:01:31.055>right <01:01:31.195>way, <01:01:31.335>uh,

1565
01:01:33.055 --> 01:01:35.375
<01:01:33.055>I <01:01:33.230>don't <01:01:33.404>think <01:01:33.580>it <01:01:33.754>scales <01:01:33.930>too <01:01:34.105>bad <01:01:34.279>actually, <01:01:34.455>right?

1566
01:01:35.375 --> 01:01:36.455
<01:01:35.375>Because <01:01:35.699>it's <01:01:36.023>enforcing <01:01:36.346>you

1567
01:01:36.455 --> 01:01:37.735
<01:01:36.455>to <01:01:36.619>put <01:01:36.784>the <01:01:36.948>things <01:01:37.113>in <01:01:37.277>a <01:01:37.442>single <01:01:37.607>place.

1568
01:01:37.755 --> 01:01:40.055
<01:01:37.755>Of <01:01:37.930>course, <01:01:38.105>if <01:01:38.280>you <01:01:38.455>have, <01:01:38.630>if <01:01:38.805>you're <01:01:38.980>not <01:01:39.155>componentizing,

1569
01:01:40.155 --> 01:01:42.895
<01:01:40.155>and <01:01:40.310>if <01:01:40.466>maybe <01:01:40.621>if <01:01:40.777>your <01:01:40.932>model <01:01:41.088>isn't <01:01:41.243>that <01:01:41.399>great, <01:01:41.555>um,

1570
01:01:42.895 --> 01:01:44.855
<01:01:42.895>then <01:01:43.128>you <01:01:43.361>write <01:01:43.595>this <01:01:43.828>stuff <01:01:44.061>10 <01:01:44.295>times

1571
01:01:44.915 --> 01:01:46.215
<01:01:44.915>and <01:01:45.110>you <01:01:45.305>will <01:01:45.500>hate <01:01:45.695>it <01:01:45.890>for <01:01:46.085>sure.

1572
01:01:46.515 --> 01:01:49.295
<01:01:46.515>1%. <01:01:46.670>Um, <01:01:46.826>that's <01:01:46.981>it. <01:01:47.137>I'm <01:01:47.292>not <01:01:47.448>a <01:01:47.603>big <01:01:47.759>fan <01:01:47.915>boy.

1573
01:01:49.435 --> 01:01:51.655
<01:01:49.435>Um, <01:01:49.575>but <01:01:49.715>I <01:01:49.855>do <01:01:49.995>like <01:01:50.134>that <01:01:50.275>I <01:01:50.415>don't <01:01:50.555>have <01:01:50.695>to <01:01:50.835>open

1574
01:01:52.295 --> 01:01:56.375
<01:01:52.295>a <01:01:52.411>CSS <01:01:52.528>file <01:01:52.645>while <01:01:52.761>working <01:01:52.878>on <01:01:52.995>a <01:01:53.111>big <01:01:53.228>app <01:01:53.345>that <01:01:53.461>is <01:01:53.578>actually <01:01:53.695>nice

1575
01:01:56.835 --> 01:01:59.695
<01:01:56.835>and <01:01:56.990>I <01:01:57.146>don't <01:01:57.301>have <01:01:57.457>to <01:01:57.612>think <01:01:57.768>about <01:01:57.923>architecture <01:01:58.079>and <01:01:58.235>bam

1576
01:01:59.875 --> 01:02:04.335
<01:01:59.875>and <01:02:00.002>smacks <01:02:00.129>and <01:02:00.256>how <01:02:00.384>I <01:02:00.511>can <01:02:00.638>have <01:02:00.765>CSS <01:02:00.893>that <01:02:01.020>I <01:02:01.147>don't <01:02:01.275>have

1577
01:02:04.335 --> 01:02:06.575
<01:02:04.335>to <01:02:04.510>delete <01:02:04.685>or <01:02:04.860>add <01:02:05.035>and <01:02:05.210>just <01:02:05.385>pile <01:02:05.560>it <01:02:05.735>on.

1578
01:02:06.635 --> 01:02:08.935
<01:02:06.635>So <01:02:06.835>that <01:02:07.035>is <01:02:07.235>a <01:02:07.435>big <01:02:07.635>advantage <01:02:07.835>for <01:02:08.035>sure.

1579
01:02:10.265 --> 01:02:12.315
<01:02:10.265>Cool. <01:02:10.464>I <01:02:10.665>can <01:02:10.865>see <01:02:11.065>there's <01:02:11.265>a <01:02:11.464>special <01:02:11.665>coming.

1580
01:02:12.415 --> 01:02:13.795
<01:02:12.415>We <01:02:12.663>should, <01:02:12.911>we <01:02:13.160>should <01:02:13.408>do <01:02:13.657>something

1581
01:02:13.815 --> 01:02:16.195
<01:02:13.815>and <01:02:13.942>compare <01:02:14.069>them <01:02:14.196>bit <01:02:14.324>by <01:02:14.451>bit <01:02:14.578>and <01:02:14.705>see <01:02:14.833>what's <01:02:14.960>going <01:02:15.087>on <01:02:15.215>there.

1582
01:02:16.615 --> 01:02:19.035
<01:02:16.615>But <01:02:16.742>for <01:02:16.869>now, <01:02:16.996>I <01:02:17.124>think <01:02:17.251>this <01:02:17.378>is, <01:02:17.505>uh, <01:02:17.633>a <01:02:17.760>lunch <01:02:17.887>break <01:02:18.015>over.

1583
01:02:19.185 --> 01:02:20.565
<01:02:19.185>So <01:02:19.340>you <01:02:19.495>all <01:02:19.650>have <01:02:19.806>to <01:02:19.961>go <01:02:20.116>back <01:02:20.271>to <01:02:20.427>work

1584
01:02:20.625 --> 01:02:22.885
<01:02:20.625>and <01:02:20.800>uh, <01:02:20.975>uh, <01:02:21.150>make <01:02:21.325>sure <01:02:21.500>that <01:02:21.675>the <01:02:21.850>bottom <01:02:22.025>line

1585
01:02:22.885 --> 01:02:24.405
<01:02:22.885>of <01:02:23.113>your <01:02:23.341>company <01:02:23.569>is <01:02:23.797>making <01:02:24.025>more <01:02:24.253>money

1586
01:02:25.105 --> 01:02:27.685
<01:02:25.105>and, <01:02:25.245>uh, <01:02:25.385>be, <01:02:25.525>be <01:02:25.665>just <01:02:25.805>happy <01:02:25.945>that <01:02:26.085>you <01:02:26.225>have <01:02:26.365>a <01:02:26.505>job.

1587
01:02:28.005 --> 01:02:29.445
<01:02:28.005>'cause <01:02:28.190>I <01:02:28.375>mean, <01:02:28.560>like, <01:02:28.745>no, <01:02:28.930>I'm, <01:02:29.115>I'm <01:02:29.301>kidding.

1588
01:02:29.745 --> 01:02:32.765
<01:02:29.745>Uh, <01:02:29.884>like <01:02:30.025>it's <01:02:30.165>great <01:02:30.305>to <01:02:30.444>have <01:02:30.585>you, <01:02:30.725>uh, <01:02:30.865>to <01:02:31.005>having, <01:02:31.145>uh,

1589
01:02:32.955 --> 01:02:33.965
<01:02:32.955>this <01:02:33.864>show.

1590
01:02:34.065 --> 01:02:36.085
<01:02:34.065>I'm, <01:02:34.240>I'm <01:02:34.415>enjoying <01:02:34.590>it. <01:02:34.765>Hopefully <01:02:34.940>you <01:02:35.115>did <01:02:35.290>as <01:02:35.465>well.

1591
01:02:36.625 --> 01:02:38.485
<01:02:36.625>Uh, <01:02:36.800>drop <01:02:36.975>us <01:02:37.150>a <01:02:37.325>line, <01:02:37.500>tell <01:02:37.675>us <01:02:37.850>about <01:02:38.025>it.

1592
01:02:38.505 --> 01:02:40.485
<01:02:38.505>If <01:02:38.705>you <01:02:38.905>want <01:02:39.105>to, <01:02:39.305>don't <01:02:39.505>subscribe <01:02:39.705>and <01:02:39.905>think

1593
01:02:40.485 --> 01:02:41.605
<01:02:40.485>because <01:02:40.686>we <01:02:40.888>don't <01:02:41.089>do <01:02:41.291>that <01:02:41.493>yet.

1594
01:02:41.725 --> 01:02:44.285
<01:02:41.725>I <01:02:41.880>don't <01:02:42.036>know <01:02:42.191>how, <01:02:42.347>why <01:02:42.502>people <01:02:42.658>keep <01:02:42.813>asking <01:02:42.969>for <01:02:43.125>that.

1595
01:02:44.825 --> 01:02:47.165
<01:02:44.825>But <01:02:45.058>um, <01:02:45.291>yeah, <01:02:45.524>Stefan, <01:02:45.758>this <01:02:45.991>was <01:02:46.225>great.

1596
01:02:47.405 --> 01:02:48.685
<01:02:47.405>I <01:02:47.569>guess <01:02:47.734>we <01:02:47.898>can <01:02:48.063>do <01:02:48.227>more <01:02:48.392>of <01:02:48.557>those

1597
01:02:49.085 --> 01:02:50.045
<01:02:49.085>'cause <01:02:49.257>I <01:02:49.430>can <01:02:49.603>always <01:02:49.776>drag <01:02:49.949>you

1598
01:02:50.045 --> 01:02:51.045
<01:02:50.045>in <01:02:50.157>'cause <01:02:50.270>we're <01:02:50.382>in <01:02:50.495>the <01:02:50.607>same <01:02:50.720>time <01:02:50.832>for <01:02:50.945>sure.

1599
01:02:51.195 --> 01:02:53.325
<01:02:51.195>Same <01:02:51.335>thing, <01:02:51.475>maybe <01:02:51.615>we <01:02:51.755>just <01:02:51.895>get <01:02:52.035>some <01:02:52.175>food <01:02:52.315>together <01:02:52.455>next <01:02:52.595>time

1600
01:02:54.065 --> 01:02:56.365
<01:02:54.065>and, <01:02:54.415>um, <01:02:54.765>that <01:02:55.115>was <01:02:55.465>wonderful.

1601
01:02:56.425 --> 01:02:58.085
<01:02:56.425>So <01:02:56.658>thanks <01:02:56.891>very <01:02:57.125>much <01:02:57.358>and <01:02:57.591>I <01:02:57.825>hope

1602
01:02:58.085 --> 01:02:59.725
<01:02:58.085>to <01:02:58.318>see <01:02:58.551>you <01:02:58.785>next <01:02:59.018>time <01:02:59.251>next <01:02:59.485>Wednesday.

1603
01:02:59.945 --> 01:03:01.365
<01:02:59.945>The <01:03:00.158>recording <01:03:00.371>will <01:03:00.584>be <01:03:00.797>out <01:03:01.009>later <01:03:01.223>on

1604
01:03:01.625 --> 01:03:03.925
<01:03:01.625>and <01:03:01.752>you <01:03:01.879>can <01:03:02.006>look <01:03:02.134>it <01:03:02.261>up <01:03:02.388>if <01:03:02.515>you <01:03:02.643>want <01:03:02.770>to <01:03:02.897>as <01:03:03.025>well.

1605
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<01:03:04.145>Thanks <01:03:04.595>Dan. <01:03:05.045>Thanks <01:03:05.495>Stefan.