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388
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<00:16:38.055>tales <00:16:38.255>because <00:16:38.454>I <00:16:38.655>don't <00:16:38.854>know <00:16:39.055>if <00:16:39.255>you've <00:16:39.454>read

389
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<00:16:40.885>your <00:16:41.371>original <00:16:41.857>error.

390
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<00:16:42.665>Uh, <00:16:42.839>they're <00:16:43.015>pretty <00:16:43.189>core <00:16:43.365>for <00:16:43.540>children, <00:16:43.714>I <00:16:43.890>gotta <00:16:44.064>say.

391
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<00:16:47.795>They're <00:16:47.995>more <00:16:48.194>like <00:16:48.395>moral <00:16:48.594>stories <00:16:48.795>than <00:16:48.995>kids <00:16:49.194>stories.

392
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<00:16:50.085>They're <00:16:50.505>just <00:16:50.925>basically <00:16:51.345>pushing

393
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<00:16:51.485>people <00:16:51.773>in <00:16:52.061>their <00:16:52.349>own <00:16:52.637>direction.

394
00:16:52.875 --> 00:16:55.045
<00:16:52.875>It's <00:16:53.075>just <00:16:53.275>really <00:16:53.475>bizarre <00:16:53.675>how <00:16:53.875>these <00:16:54.075>things <00:16:54.275>came

395
00:16:55.045 --> 00:16:56.045
<00:16:55.045>Out. <00:16:55.194>Yeah, <00:16:55.344>it <00:16:55.495>is, <00:16:55.645>it <00:16:55.795>is. <00:16:55.944>Yeah.

396
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You

397
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<00:16:56.765>Know, <00:16:56.965>we <00:16:57.165>hear <00:16:57.365>so <00:16:57.564>much <00:16:57.765>about <00:16:57.965>startups, <00:16:58.165>um,

398
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<00:16:59.085>and <00:16:59.260>there's <00:16:59.435>so <00:16:59.610>much <00:16:59.785>conversation <00:16:59.960>at <00:17:00.135>the <00:17:00.310>moment, <00:17:00.485>particularly

399
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<00:17:01.165>around <00:17:01.631>startups <00:17:02.098>and <00:17:02.564>regulation,

400
00:17:03.225 --> 00:17:05.325
<00:17:03.225>and <00:17:03.425>particularly <00:17:03.625>in <00:17:03.825>relation <00:17:04.025>to <00:17:04.224>ones <00:17:04.425>in <00:17:04.625>Europe,

401
00:17:05.825 --> 00:17:07.885
<00:17:05.825>and <00:17:05.965>so <00:17:06.105>much <00:17:06.245>of <00:17:06.385>the <00:17:06.525>conversation <00:17:06.665>here, <00:17:06.805>we <00:17:06.944>see <00:17:07.085>this, <00:17:07.225>um,

402
00:17:08.075 --> 00:17:09.405
<00:17:08.075>I'll <00:17:08.374>say <00:17:08.673>primarily <00:17:08.972>on <00:17:09.271>X.

403
00:17:09.475 --> 00:17:11.765
<00:17:09.474>Okay, <00:17:09.649>that's <00:17:09.824>pushed <00:17:10.000>very <00:17:10.175>heavily <00:17:10.349>on <00:17:10.524>there, <00:17:10.699>that <00:17:10.875>narrative.

404
00:17:11.825 --> 00:17:16.125
<00:17:11.825>But <00:17:11.941>we <00:17:12.058>do <00:17:12.175>see <00:17:12.291>a <00:17:12.408>lot <00:17:12.525>of, <00:17:12.641>uh, <00:17:12.758>of <00:17:12.875>the <00:17:12.991>discussion <00:17:13.108>saying <00:17:13.225>that,

405
00:17:16.305 --> 00:17:19.285
<00:17:16.305>you <00:17:16.480>know, <00:17:16.655>entrepreneurs <00:17:16.830>in <00:17:17.005>Europe <00:17:17.180>simply <00:17:17.355>are <00:17:17.530>so <00:17:17.705>bound

406
00:17:19.425 --> 00:17:21.525
<00:17:19.425>by <00:17:19.599>red <00:17:19.774>tape <00:17:19.950>that <00:17:20.125>they <00:17:20.300>can't <00:17:20.474>do <00:17:20.649>anything <00:17:20.825>innovative.

407
00:17:21.595 --> 00:17:23.565
<00:17:21.595>They <00:17:21.795>can't <00:17:21.995>move <00:17:22.194>fast <00:17:22.395>enough <00:17:22.595>to <00:17:22.795>catch <00:17:22.995>up,

408
00:17:23.905 --> 00:17:26.285
<00:17:23.905>and <00:17:24.079>that <00:17:24.254>the <00:17:24.430>regulation <00:17:24.605>kind <00:17:24.780>of <00:17:24.954>binds <00:17:25.129>them <00:17:25.305>into

409
00:17:26.385 --> 00:17:28.205
<00:17:26.385>to <00:17:26.734>effectively <00:17:27.085>just <00:17:27.435>giving <00:17:27.785>up.

410
00:17:28.585 --> 00:17:31.025
<00:17:28.585>Um, <00:17:28.818>you, <00:17:29.051>you <00:17:29.285>are <00:17:29.518>both <00:17:29.751>quite <00:17:29.985>outspoken,

411
00:17:31.025 --> 00:17:32.985
<00:17:31.025>really <00:17:31.375>about <00:17:31.725>not <00:17:32.075>pro <00:17:32.425>eu,

412
00:17:32.985 --> 00:17:35.185
<00:17:32.985>but <00:17:33.112>I <00:17:33.239>think <00:17:33.366>trying <00:17:33.494>to <00:17:33.621>maybe <00:17:33.748>give <00:17:33.875>some <00:17:34.003>other <00:17:34.130>side <00:17:34.257>of <00:17:34.385>the,

413
00:17:35.185 --> 00:17:36.865
<00:17:35.185>the, <00:17:35.465>the, <00:17:35.745>of <00:17:36.024>the, <00:17:36.304>um, <00:17:36.585>conversation.

414
00:17:37.725 --> 00:17:39.425
<00:17:37.725>How <00:17:37.925>have <00:17:38.125>you <00:17:38.324>found <00:17:38.524>it <00:17:38.725>actually <00:17:38.925>being <00:17:39.125>founders

415
00:17:39.725 --> 00:17:41.985
<00:17:39.725>and <00:17:39.865>trying <00:17:40.004>to <00:17:40.145>get <00:17:40.284>something <00:17:40.425>off <00:17:40.564>the <00:17:40.705>ground <00:17:40.844>in <00:17:40.985>the <00:17:41.125>eu?

416
00:17:42.045 --> 00:17:44.065
<00:17:42.045>Is <00:17:42.200>it <00:17:42.356>as <00:17:42.511>bad <00:17:42.667>as <00:17:42.822>X <00:17:42.978>wants <00:17:43.133>me <00:17:43.289>to <00:17:43.445>believe?

417
00:17:45.405 --> 00:17:48.345
<00:17:45.405>Um, <00:17:45.560>very <00:17:45.716>briefly <00:17:45.871>from <00:17:46.027>my <00:17:46.182>point <00:17:46.338>of <00:17:46.493>view, <00:17:46.649>the <00:17:46.805>things

418
00:17:48.345 --> 00:17:50.165
<00:17:48.345>that <00:17:48.520>we <00:17:48.695>are <00:17:48.870>doing, <00:17:49.045>I <00:17:49.220>mean, <00:17:49.395>yes, <00:17:49.570>of <00:17:49.745>course,

419
00:17:50.175 --> 00:17:53.205
<00:17:50.175>maybe <00:17:50.330>you <00:17:50.486>have <00:17:50.641>some <00:17:50.797>sort <00:17:50.952>of, <00:17:51.108>you <00:17:51.263>know, <00:17:51.419>reporting <00:17:51.575>things

420
00:17:53.205 --> 00:17:55.845
<00:17:53.205>where <00:17:53.345>we'd <00:17:53.485>have <00:17:53.625>to <00:17:53.764>basically <00:17:53.905>report <00:17:54.044>on <00:17:54.185>what <00:17:54.324>kind <00:17:54.465>of, <00:17:54.605>uh,

421
00:17:55.875 --> 00:17:57.245
<00:17:55.875>data <00:17:56.183>you've <00:17:56.491>trained <00:17:56.799>your <00:17:57.108>model.

422
00:17:57.665 --> 00:17:59.405
<00:17:57.665>But <00:17:58.365>I <00:17:59.065>mean,

423
00:17:59.425 --> 00:18:02.365
<00:17:59.425>unless <00:17:59.565>you <00:17:59.705>are <00:17:59.845>actually <00:17:59.985>building <00:18:00.125>an <00:18:00.264>LLM <00:18:00.405>from <00:18:00.544>the <00:18:00.685>ground <00:18:00.825>up,

424
00:18:02.365 --> 00:18:03.925
<00:18:02.365>which <00:18:02.565>I <00:18:02.765>think <00:18:02.965>none <00:18:03.165>of <00:18:03.365>the <00:18:03.565>indie <00:18:03.765>hackers

425
00:18:03.925 --> 00:18:05.805
<00:18:03.925>or <00:18:04.080>none <00:18:04.236>of <00:18:04.391>the <00:18:04.547>people <00:18:04.702>on <00:18:04.858>X <00:18:05.013>are <00:18:05.169>really <00:18:05.325>doing,

426
00:18:07.365 --> 00:18:11.125
<00:18:07.365>I <00:18:07.520>really <00:18:07.676>don't <00:18:07.831>see <00:18:07.987>any <00:18:08.142>kind <00:18:08.298>of, <00:18:08.453>um, <00:18:08.609>specific <00:18:08.765>tape

427
00:18:11.195 --> 00:18:13.685
<00:18:11.195>that <00:18:11.370>the <00:18:11.544>EU <00:18:11.720>puts <00:18:11.895>around <00:18:12.070>you <00:18:12.245>in <00:18:12.419>that <00:18:12.595>case.

428
00:18:14.125 --> 00:18:16.885
<00:18:14.125>I <00:18:14.241>mean, <00:18:14.358>I'm <00:18:14.475>not <00:18:14.591>even <00:18:14.708>close <00:18:14.825>of <00:18:14.941>build <00:18:15.058>to <00:18:15.175>building <00:18:15.291>my <00:18:15.408>own <00:18:15.525>LLM.

429
00:18:17.395 --> 00:18:18.805
<00:18:17.395>Yeah, <00:18:18.664>unfortunately.

430
00:18:19.245 --> 00:18:20.605
<00:18:19.245>I <00:18:19.419>mean, <00:18:19.594>because <00:18:19.769>that <00:18:19.944>thing <00:18:20.119>is, <00:18:20.294>of <00:18:20.469>course,

431
00:18:20.605 --> 00:18:22.285
<00:18:20.605>we <00:18:20.780>know <00:18:20.955>the <00:18:21.130>new <00:18:21.305>models <00:18:21.480>deep <00:18:21.655>secret, <00:18:21.830>so <00:18:22.005>on

432
00:18:22.285 --> 00:18:25.165
<00:18:22.285>and <00:18:22.460>so <00:18:22.635>on <00:18:22.810>made <00:18:22.985>it <00:18:23.160>cheaper, <00:18:23.335>but <00:18:23.510>apparently <00:18:23.685>cheaper,

433
00:18:25.505 --> 00:18:26.925
<00:18:25.505>but <00:18:25.931>it's <00:18:26.357>super <00:18:26.783>expensive,

434
00:18:26.925 --> 00:18:28.765
<00:18:26.925>and <00:18:27.125>that's <00:18:27.325>a <00:18:27.524>completely <00:18:27.725>different <00:18:27.925>beast <00:18:28.125>right <00:18:28.325>there.

435
00:18:29.465 --> 00:18:31.485
<00:18:29.465>Um, <00:18:29.620>yeah, <00:18:29.776>I, <00:18:29.931>I <00:18:30.087>have <00:18:30.242>to <00:18:30.398>say, <00:18:30.553>yes, <00:18:30.709>I <00:18:30.865>think,

436
00:18:31.805 --> 00:18:35.445
<00:18:31.805>I <00:18:31.960>think <00:18:32.116>there <00:18:32.271>are <00:18:32.427>some, <00:18:32.582>um, <00:18:32.738>I <00:18:32.893>would <00:18:33.049>say <00:18:33.205>uncertainties,

437
00:18:35.585 --> 00:18:40.245
<00:18:35.585>for <00:18:35.740>example, <00:18:35.896>about <00:18:36.051>the <00:18:36.207>UAI <00:18:36.362>act <00:18:36.518>that <00:18:36.673>could <00:18:36.829>pose, <00:18:36.985>uh,

438
00:18:40.245 --> 00:18:43.765
<00:18:40.245>problematic <00:18:40.594>for, <00:18:40.945>for, <00:18:41.294>um, <00:18:41.645>innovators.

439
00:18:44.425 --> 00:18:47.365
<00:18:44.425>But <00:18:44.552>on <00:18:44.679>the <00:18:44.806>other <00:18:44.934>hand, <00:18:45.061>I <00:18:45.188>see <00:18:45.315>a <00:18:45.443>lot <00:18:45.570>of, <00:18:45.697>a <00:18:45.825>lot

440
00:18:47.365 --> 00:18:50.845
<00:18:47.365>of <00:18:47.540>discussion <00:18:47.715>revolves <00:18:47.890>around <00:18:48.065>how <00:18:48.240>bad <00:18:48.415>is <00:18:48.590>the <00:18:48.765>U

441
00:18:50.945 --> 00:18:52.485
<00:18:50.945>and <00:18:51.291>how <00:18:51.638>bad <00:18:51.984>regulation <00:18:52.331>is.

442
00:18:52.745 --> 00:18:57.285
<00:18:52.745>But <00:18:52.872>in <00:18:52.999>the <00:18:53.126>end, <00:18:53.254>regulation <00:18:53.381>for <00:18:53.508>the <00:18:53.635>U <00:18:53.763>is, <00:18:53.890>it's <00:18:54.017>very <00:18:54.145>important

443
00:18:57.515 --> 00:19:00.005
<00:18:57.515>that <00:18:57.795>the <00:18:58.075>EU <00:18:58.355>regulates <00:18:58.635>and <00:18:58.915>harmonizes

444
00:19:00.235 --> 00:19:03.405
<00:19:00.235>because <00:19:00.409>most <00:19:00.584>of <00:19:00.760>what <00:19:00.935>people <00:19:01.110>are, <00:19:01.284>uh, <00:19:01.459>talking <00:19:01.635>about

445
00:19:03.745 --> 00:19:04.885
<00:19:03.745>and <00:19:04.001>say, <00:19:04.258>this <00:19:04.514>is <00:19:04.771>hindrance

446
00:19:04.905 --> 00:19:06.925
<00:19:04.905>and <00:19:05.060>this <00:19:05.216>is, <00:19:05.371>uh, <00:19:05.527>this <00:19:05.682>is <00:19:05.838>a <00:19:05.993>problem <00:19:06.149>for <00:19:06.305>me,

447
00:19:07.235 --> 00:19:10.005
<00:19:07.235>it's <00:19:07.468>actually <00:19:07.701>a <00:19:07.935>national <00:19:08.168>re <00:19:08.401>uh, <00:19:08.635>regulation.

448
00:19:10.925 --> 00:19:13.145
<00:19:10.925>And <00:19:11.158>that, <00:19:11.391>uh, <00:19:11.625>hinders <00:19:11.858>us <00:19:12.091>a <00:19:12.325>lot.

449
00:19:13.345 --> 00:19:15.785
<00:19:13.345>I <00:19:13.545>mean, <00:19:13.745>there <00:19:13.945>are <00:19:14.145>cool <00:19:14.345>initiatives, <00:19:14.545>for <00:19:14.745>example,

450
00:19:15.885 --> 00:19:19.265
<00:19:15.885>for <00:19:16.060>having <00:19:16.235>unified <00:19:16.410>copper, <00:19:16.585>uh, <00:19:16.760>one <00:19:16.935>unified, <00:19:17.110>uh, <00:19:17.285>type

451
00:19:19.265 --> 00:19:22.985
<00:19:19.265>of <00:19:19.420>corporation <00:19:19.576>in <00:19:19.731>whole <00:19:19.887>Europe, <00:19:20.042>because <00:19:20.198>that <00:19:20.353>is <00:19:20.509>a <00:19:20.665>problem.

452
00:19:23.045 --> 00:19:25.305
<00:19:23.045>Of <00:19:23.325>course, <00:19:23.605>we <00:19:23.885>have <00:19:24.165>different <00:19:24.445>investors,

453
00:19:25.525 --> 00:19:27.305
<00:19:25.525>you <00:19:25.875>have <00:19:26.225>investors <00:19:26.575>from <00:19:26.925>overseas

454
00:19:27.305 --> 00:19:29.785
<00:19:27.305>that <00:19:27.480>don't <00:19:27.655>understand <00:19:27.830>the <00:19:28.005>legal <00:19:28.180>structures <00:19:28.355>in <00:19:28.530>your <00:19:28.705>country,

455
00:19:30.445 --> 00:19:33.425
<00:19:30.445>and <00:19:30.585>it <00:19:30.725>would <00:19:30.865>be <00:19:31.004>great <00:19:31.145>to <00:19:31.284>actually <00:19:31.425>have <00:19:31.564>more <00:19:31.705>regulation <00:19:31.845>in

456
00:19:33.425 --> 00:19:35.785
<00:19:33.425>that <00:19:33.600>sense <00:19:33.774>that <00:19:33.950>you <00:19:34.125>don't <00:19:34.300>have <00:19:34.475>a <00:19:34.649>different <00:19:34.825>kind

457
00:19:35.785 --> 00:19:39.985
<00:19:35.785>of <00:19:35.912>rule <00:19:36.039>set <00:19:36.166>in <00:19:36.294>Germany <00:19:36.421>to <00:19:36.548>Austria <00:19:36.675>to, <00:19:36.803>uh, <00:19:36.930>I <00:19:37.057>don't <00:19:37.185>know,

458
00:19:40.125 --> 00:19:41.705
<00:19:40.125>um, <00:19:41.525>Spain.

459
00:19:41.735 --> 00:19:44.865
<00:19:41.735>Yeah. <00:19:41.968>So, <00:19:42.201>um, <00:19:42.435>I <00:19:42.668>think <00:19:42.901>we <00:19:43.135>should

460
00:19:45.385 --> 00:19:49.145
<00:19:45.385>actually <00:19:45.560>focus <00:19:45.735>on <00:19:45.910>having <00:19:46.085>more <00:19:46.260>regulation, <00:19:46.435>but <00:19:46.610>more <00:19:46.785>unified

461
00:19:49.285 --> 00:19:50.705
<00:19:49.285>and <00:19:49.924>harmonized <00:19:50.562>regulation.

462
00:19:51.485 --> 00:19:53.825
<00:19:51.485>Um, <00:19:51.659>and <00:19:51.834>of <00:19:52.010>course <00:19:52.185>there's <00:19:52.360>always <00:19:52.534>a <00:19:52.709>trade <00:19:52.885>off.

463
00:19:53.985 --> 00:19:56.505
<00:19:53.985>I <00:19:54.264>mean, <00:19:54.544>you <00:19:54.824>can't, <00:19:55.104>if <00:19:55.385>you,

464
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465
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<00:20:01.395>which <00:20:01.511>is <00:20:01.628>good <00:20:01.745>from <00:20:01.861>a <00:20:01.978>perspective <00:20:02.095>as <00:20:02.211>a, <00:20:02.328>as <00:20:02.445>a, <00:20:02.561>as <00:20:02.678>a <00:20:02.795>citizen.

466
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<00:20:05.605>And <00:20:05.760>it <00:20:05.916>can <00:20:06.071>happen <00:20:06.227>that <00:20:06.382>some <00:20:06.538>of <00:20:06.693>those <00:20:06.849>rules, <00:20:07.005>uh,

467
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<00:20:10.195>would <00:20:10.730>affect <00:20:11.266>businesses.

468
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469
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<00:20:13.145>that <00:20:13.345>always <00:20:13.545>gets <00:20:13.745>lost <00:20:13.945>in <00:20:14.145>this <00:20:14.345>whole <00:20:14.545>discussions

470
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471
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<00:20:20.025>freedom <00:20:20.225>of <00:20:20.425>press, <00:20:20.625>quality <00:20:20.825>of <00:20:21.025>life, <00:20:21.225>uh, <00:20:21.425>um,

472
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<00:20:24.665>criminal <00:20:25.852>statistics.

473
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474
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<00:20:30.445>or <00:20:30.859>top <00:20:31.273>10, <00:20:31.687>uh,

475
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<00:20:32.325>and <00:20:32.605>um, <00:20:32.885>just <00:20:33.165>you, <00:20:33.445>you <00:20:33.725>can't,

476
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<00:20:37.365>uh, <00:20:37.505>you <00:20:37.645>have <00:20:37.785>to <00:20:37.925>find <00:20:38.065>a <00:20:38.205>balance <00:20:38.345>between <00:20:38.485>having <00:20:38.625>good <00:20:38.765>growth

477
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<00:20:41.445>and <00:20:41.725>there <00:20:42.004>are <00:20:42.284>problems <00:20:42.564>in <00:20:42.845>Europe.

478
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479
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<00:20:47.785>as <00:20:47.985>a <00:20:48.185>continent <00:20:48.385>has <00:20:48.585>missed <00:20:48.785>some, <00:20:48.985>uh, <00:20:49.185>innovations

480
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<00:20:51.545>or <00:20:51.895>some, <00:20:52.245>uh, <00:20:52.595>new <00:20:52.945>technologies,

481
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<00:20:54.105>but <00:20:54.245>it <00:20:54.385>doesn't <00:20:54.525>mean <00:20:54.665>we <00:20:54.805>should <00:20:54.945>just <00:20:55.085>give <00:20:55.225>up <00:20:55.365>on <00:20:55.505>everything

482
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<00:20:56.965>else <00:20:57.105>we <00:20:57.245>have <00:20:57.385>achieved <00:20:57.524>and <00:20:57.665>giving <00:20:57.804>up <00:20:57.945>on <00:20:58.084>quality <00:20:58.225>of <00:20:58.365>life,

483
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<00:21:00.325>giving <00:21:00.525>up <00:21:00.725>on <00:21:00.925>healthcare <00:21:01.125>and <00:21:01.325>all <00:21:01.525>that <00:21:01.725>stuff.

484
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<00:21:03.525>I <00:21:03.652>mean, <00:21:03.779>I <00:21:03.906>have <00:21:04.034>a, <00:21:04.161>a <00:21:04.288>lot <00:21:04.415>of <00:21:04.543>friends <00:21:04.670>from <00:21:04.797>the <00:21:04.925>US

485
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<00:21:06.185>who <00:21:06.465>are <00:21:06.745>right <00:21:07.024>now, <00:21:07.304>uh, <00:21:07.585>really,

486
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<00:21:08.525>really <00:21:08.805>concerned <00:21:09.085>about <00:21:09.365>what <00:21:09.645>is <00:21:09.925>happening.

487
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<00:21:11.585>And, <00:21:12.285>um, <00:21:12.985>yeah,

488
00:21:13.925 --> 00:21:18.165
<00:21:13.925>I <00:21:14.041>don't <00:21:14.158>think <00:21:14.274>the <00:21:14.391>average <00:21:14.508>person <00:21:14.625>will <00:21:14.741>see <00:21:14.858>a <00:21:14.975>lot <00:21:15.091>of <00:21:15.208>the, <00:21:15.325>uh,

489
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<00:21:18.645>increase <00:21:18.845>in <00:21:19.045>stock <00:21:19.245>prices <00:21:19.445>from <00:21:19.645>Nvidia, <00:21:19.845>for <00:21:20.045>example.

490
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<00:21:21.265>And <00:21:21.405>yeah, <00:21:21.545>so <00:21:21.685>that's <00:21:21.825>just <00:21:21.965>to <00:21:22.105>put <00:21:22.245>it <00:21:22.385>in <00:21:22.525>a <00:21:22.665>nutshell,

491
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<00:21:26.215>short <00:21:27.430>overview.

492
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<00:21:28.435>It's <00:21:28.698>an <00:21:28.961>interesting <00:21:29.224>point <00:21:29.488>though,

493
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<00:21:29.605>because <00:21:30.199>the <00:21:30.793>hypergrowth

494
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<00:21:30.925>that <00:21:31.205>actually <00:21:31.485>is <00:21:31.764>necessary <00:21:32.044>in <00:21:32.325>America,

495
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<00:21:33.145>and <00:21:33.378>especially <00:21:33.611>when <00:21:33.845>you're <00:21:34.078>an <00:21:34.311>AI <00:21:34.545>startup

496
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<00:21:35.025>and <00:21:35.152>you <00:21:35.279>go <00:21:35.406>to <00:21:35.534>VCs, <00:21:35.661>you <00:21:35.788>actually <00:21:35.915>compare <00:21:36.043>to <00:21:36.170>the <00:21:36.297>American <00:21:36.425>ones

497
00:21:37.845 --> 00:21:38.925
<00:21:37.845>that <00:21:38.088>can <00:21:38.331>move <00:21:38.574>much <00:21:38.817>faster,

498
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<00:21:39.025>or <00:21:39.200>the <00:21:39.375>Chinese <00:21:39.550>ones <00:21:39.725>that <00:21:39.900>can <00:21:40.075>move <00:21:40.250>even <00:21:40.425>faster

499
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<00:21:40.995>because <00:21:41.298>they <00:21:41.601>don't <00:21:41.904>have

500
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<00:21:42.005>to <00:21:42.238>care <00:21:42.471>about <00:21:42.705>things <00:21:42.938>like <00:21:43.171>workers' <00:21:43.405>rights

501
00:21:44.025 --> 00:21:45.285
<00:21:44.025>or <00:21:44.251>like <00:21:44.478>these <00:21:44.705>kind <00:21:44.932>of <00:21:45.159>things.

502
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<00:21:46.065>Um, <00:21:46.265>that's <00:21:46.465>the <00:21:46.665>thing <00:21:46.865>that, <00:21:47.065>that <00:21:47.265>is, <00:21:47.465>uh,

503
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<00:21:48.405>that <00:21:48.684>is <00:21:48.963>always <00:21:49.242>a <00:21:49.521>comparison.

504
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<00:21:49.645>That's <00:21:49.800>unfair. <00:21:49.956>I <00:21:50.111>think <00:21:50.267>that's <00:21:50.422>why <00:21:50.578>there's <00:21:50.733>a <00:21:50.889>few <00:21:51.045>European

505
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<00:21:53.005>VC <00:21:53.160>funds <00:21:53.316>as <00:21:53.471>well, <00:21:53.627>thinking <00:21:53.782>about <00:21:53.938>like <00:21:54.093>regulating <00:21:54.249>that <00:21:54.405>and,

506
00:21:56.145 --> 00:21:57.645
<00:21:56.145>and, <00:21:56.415>uh, <00:21:56.685>and <00:21:56.955>going <00:21:57.225>for <00:21:57.495>it.

507
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<00:21:57.985>Did <00:21:58.112>you <00:21:58.239>see <00:21:58.366>that <00:21:58.494>you <00:21:58.621>actually <00:21:58.748>are <00:21:58.875>being, <00:21:59.003>uh, <00:21:59.130>I <00:21:59.257>don't <00:21:59.385>know

508
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<00:22:01.325>how <00:22:01.480>you're <00:22:01.636>set <00:22:01.791>up <00:22:01.947>in <00:22:02.102>terms <00:22:02.258>of <00:22:02.413>as <00:22:02.569>a <00:22:02.725>company,

509
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<00:22:03.785>but <00:22:03.985>do <00:22:04.185>you <00:22:04.385>see <00:22:04.585>that <00:22:04.785>you're <00:22:04.985>being <00:22:05.185>pushed

510
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<00:22:05.385>to <00:22:05.618>move <00:22:05.851>much <00:22:06.085>faster <00:22:06.318>than <00:22:06.551>you <00:22:06.785>feel

511
00:22:07.365 --> 00:22:08.965
<00:22:07.365>that <00:22:07.645>makes <00:22:07.925>sense <00:22:08.205>for <00:22:08.485>the <00:22:08.765>product?

512
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<00:22:09.105>Or <00:22:09.260>is <00:22:09.416>it <00:22:09.571>still <00:22:09.727>okay <00:22:09.882>for <00:22:10.038>you <00:22:10.193>at <00:22:10.349>the <00:22:10.505>moment?

513
00:22:12.605 --> 00:22:14.245
<00:22:12.605>I <00:22:12.805>mean, <00:22:13.005>we <00:22:13.205>don't <00:22:13.405>have <00:22:13.605>any <00:22:13.805>investors. <00:22:14.005>Yeah.

514
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<00:22:14.325>I <00:22:14.480>mean, <00:22:14.636>we <00:22:14.791>were, <00:22:14.947>uh, <00:22:15.102>we <00:22:15.258>thought <00:22:15.413>we <00:22:15.569>needed <00:22:15.725>investors,

515
00:22:16.305 --> 00:22:19.285
<00:22:16.305>but <00:22:16.421>at <00:22:16.538>some <00:22:16.655>point <00:22:16.771>we <00:22:16.888>were <00:22:17.005>at, <00:22:17.121>on <00:22:17.238>a <00:22:17.355>TV <00:22:17.471>show <00:22:17.588>with, <00:22:17.705>uh,

516
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<00:22:19.775>Oscar <00:22:19.930>stories, <00:22:20.086>which <00:22:20.241>is <00:22:20.397>basically, <00:22:20.552>um, <00:22:20.708>like <00:22:20.863>a <00:22:21.019>shark <00:22:21.175>tank,

517
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<00:22:23.915>like <00:22:24.214>Shark <00:22:24.513>Tank, <00:22:24.812>something <00:22:25.111>similar.

518
00:22:25.625 --> 00:22:27.605
<00:22:25.625>So <00:22:25.800>that's <00:22:25.975>when <00:22:26.150>the <00:22:26.325>growth <00:22:26.500>took <00:22:26.675>off <00:22:26.850>from <00:22:27.025>us

519
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<00:22:27.665>and <00:22:27.805>we <00:22:27.945>kind <00:22:28.085>of <00:22:28.225>decided, <00:22:28.365>right, <00:22:28.504>yeah, <00:22:28.645>it's <00:22:28.784>easier <00:22:28.925>for <00:22:29.065>us

520
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<00:22:30.005>to <00:22:30.635>stay <00:22:31.264>bootstrapped.

521
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<00:22:31.825>But <00:22:31.965>it <00:22:32.105>is <00:22:32.245>true, <00:22:32.385>like <00:22:32.525>once <00:22:32.665>you <00:22:32.805>start <00:22:32.945>looking <00:22:33.085>for <00:22:33.225>investors

522
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<00:22:34.945>as <00:22:35.085>a <00:22:35.225>founder, <00:22:35.365>and <00:22:35.504>if <00:22:35.645>you <00:22:35.784>decide <00:22:35.925>to <00:22:36.064>go <00:22:36.205>that <00:22:36.345>route,

523
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<00:22:38.365>and <00:22:38.505>I <00:22:38.645>think <00:22:38.785>that <00:22:38.925>decision <00:22:39.065>really <00:22:39.205>has <00:22:39.345>to <00:22:39.485>be <00:22:39.625>thought <00:22:39.765>out

524
00:22:41.305 --> 00:22:43.125
<00:22:41.305>and <00:22:41.480>not <00:22:41.655>just <00:22:41.830>like <00:22:42.005>a <00:22:42.180>snap <00:22:42.355>thing, <00:22:42.530>like, <00:22:42.705>yeah,

525
00:22:43.305 --> 00:22:44.405
<00:22:43.305>I'm <00:22:43.503>just <00:22:43.701>gonna <00:22:43.899>go <00:22:44.097>get <00:22:44.295>investors,

526
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<00:22:44.405>because <00:22:44.685>that <00:22:44.965>changes <00:22:45.245>your <00:22:45.524>life <00:22:45.805>significantly.

527
00:22:47.065 --> 00:22:49.485
<00:22:47.065>You <00:22:47.240>then <00:22:47.415>not <00:22:47.590>only <00:22:47.765>have <00:22:47.940>to <00:22:48.115>report <00:22:48.290>to <00:22:48.465>someone,

528
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<00:22:49.785>but <00:22:49.940>then <00:22:50.096>you <00:22:50.251>also <00:22:50.407>have <00:22:50.562>to <00:22:50.718>adjust <00:22:50.873>your <00:22:51.029>growth <00:22:51.185>goals

529
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<00:22:52.425>to <00:22:52.815>satisfy <00:22:53.205>other <00:22:53.594>people

530
00:22:53.725 --> 00:22:55.685
<00:22:53.725>because <00:22:54.004>maybe <00:22:54.284>those <00:22:54.564>other <00:22:54.844>people <00:22:55.125>are,

531
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<00:22:55.865>aren't <00:22:56.202>investing <00:22:56.540>their <00:22:56.877>own <00:22:57.215>money.

532
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<00:22:57.585>If <00:22:57.740>you <00:22:57.896>have <00:22:58.051>angel <00:22:58.207>investors, <00:22:58.362>that's <00:22:58.518>obviously <00:22:58.673>a <00:22:58.829>little <00:22:58.985>bit

533
00:22:59.645 --> 00:23:02.285
<00:22:59.645>different <00:22:59.845>because <00:23:00.045>those <00:23:00.245>are <00:23:00.445>just <00:23:00.645>rich <00:23:00.845>people, <00:23:01.045>more

534
00:23:02.285 --> 00:23:03.405
<00:23:02.285>or <00:23:02.486>less <00:23:02.688>investing <00:23:02.889>their <00:23:03.091>own <00:23:03.293>money.

535
00:23:04.265 --> 00:23:05.485
<00:23:04.265>But <00:23:04.484>once <00:23:04.704>you <00:23:04.923>grow <00:23:05.143>and <00:23:05.362>grow

536
00:23:05.485 --> 00:23:09.165
<00:23:05.485>and <00:23:05.625>grow, <00:23:05.764>then <00:23:05.905>obviously <00:23:06.044>they <00:23:06.185>would <00:23:06.324>push <00:23:06.465>you <00:23:06.604>towards <00:23:06.745>an <00:23:06.885>exit

537
00:23:09.235 --> 00:23:11.085
<00:23:09.235>because <00:23:09.514>they <00:23:09.794>have <00:23:10.074>to, <00:23:10.354>you <00:23:10.635>know,

538
00:23:11.435 --> 00:23:12.645
<00:23:11.435>make <00:23:11.652>a <00:23:11.870>return <00:23:12.088>on <00:23:12.306>their <00:23:12.524>investment.

539
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<00:23:12.865>But <00:23:13.005>for <00:23:13.145>bootstrapped <00:23:13.285>founders, <00:23:13.425>I <00:23:13.565>mean, <00:23:13.705>you <00:23:13.845>grow <00:23:13.985>as <00:23:14.125>much, <00:23:14.265>uh,

540
00:23:18.705 --> 00:23:21.245
<00:23:18.705>as <00:23:18.832>much <00:23:18.959>as <00:23:19.086>you <00:23:19.214>wanna <00:23:19.341>spend <00:23:19.468>at <00:23:19.595>the <00:23:19.723>end <00:23:19.850>of <00:23:19.977>the <00:23:20.105>day.

541
00:23:21.275 --> 00:23:23.285
<00:23:21.275>Yeah. <00:23:21.450>I <00:23:21.625>also <00:23:21.800>have <00:23:21.975>to <00:23:22.150>add <00:23:22.325>one <00:23:22.500>thing <00:23:22.675>here.

542
00:23:23.505 --> 00:23:26.325
<00:23:23.505>Um, <00:23:23.645>and <00:23:23.785>that <00:23:23.925>is <00:23:24.065>something <00:23:24.205>that <00:23:24.345>is <00:23:24.485>really <00:23:24.625>good <00:23:24.765>in <00:23:24.905>Austria,

543
00:23:26.345 --> 00:23:31.205
<00:23:26.345>for <00:23:26.485>example, <00:23:26.625>uh, <00:23:26.765>we, <00:23:26.905>we <00:23:27.045>got <00:23:27.185>pretty <00:23:27.325>early <00:23:27.465>state <00:23:27.605>grants, <00:23:27.745>uh,

544
00:23:31.335 --> 00:23:33.285
<00:23:31.335>which <00:23:32.035>are <00:23:32.735>non-refundable.

545
00:23:33.905 --> 00:23:37.245
<00:23:33.905>Um, <00:23:34.060>without <00:23:34.216>them <00:23:34.371>we <00:23:34.527>would <00:23:34.682>have <00:23:34.838>had <00:23:34.993>to <00:23:35.149>get <00:23:35.305>investment.

546
00:23:37.705 --> 00:23:39.925
<00:23:37.705>And <00:23:37.879>that <00:23:38.054>was <00:23:38.230>pretty <00:23:38.405>amazing, <00:23:38.580>I <00:23:38.754>have <00:23:38.929>to <00:23:39.105>say.

547
00:23:40.705 --> 00:23:43.525
<00:23:40.705>Um, <00:23:40.860>is <00:23:41.016>that <00:23:41.171>the, <00:23:41.327>um, <00:23:41.482>and <00:23:41.638>I <00:23:41.793>think, <00:23:41.949>sorry, <00:23:42.105>was

548
00:23:43.525 --> 00:23:45.365
<00:23:43.525>that <00:23:43.700>the <00:23:43.875>federal <00:23:44.050>industry <00:23:44.225>for <00:23:44.400>digital? <00:23:44.575>Because <00:23:44.750>I <00:23:44.925>saw

549
00:23:45.365 --> 00:23:48.165
<00:23:45.365>That <00:23:45.505>on <00:23:45.645>the <00:23:45.785>website <00:23:45.925>and <00:23:46.065>I <00:23:46.205>was <00:23:46.345>just <00:23:46.485>Yeah, <00:23:46.625>yeah, <00:23:46.765>exactly.

550
00:23:48.465 --> 00:23:51.325
<00:23:48.465>And, <00:23:48.620>uh, <00:23:48.776>I <00:23:48.931>think <00:23:49.087>that <00:23:49.242>is, <00:23:49.398>that <00:23:49.553>is <00:23:49.709>really <00:23:49.865>one

551
00:23:51.325 --> 00:23:53.565
<00:23:51.325>of <00:23:51.525>the <00:23:51.725>advantages <00:23:51.925>of <00:23:52.125>having <00:23:52.325>a <00:23:52.525>company <00:23:52.725>here.

552
00:23:54.265 --> 00:23:56.885
<00:23:54.265>Um, <00:23:54.405>I <00:23:54.545>mean, <00:23:54.685>there <00:23:54.825>is <00:23:54.965>one <00:23:55.105>downside <00:23:55.245>I <00:23:55.385>have <00:23:55.525>to <00:23:55.665>say,

553
00:23:56.895 --> 00:24:00.205
<00:23:56.895>which <00:23:57.002>I <00:23:57.110>see <00:23:57.218>from, <00:23:57.325>or <00:23:57.433>I <00:23:57.541>hear <00:23:57.648>from <00:23:57.756>a <00:23:57.864>lot <00:23:57.971>of <00:23:58.079>my <00:23:58.187>friends, <00:23:58.295>um,

554
00:24:00.555 --> 00:24:04.765
<00:24:00.555>that <00:24:00.730>the <00:24:00.905>timeframe <00:24:01.080>for <00:24:01.255>getting <00:24:01.430>investment <00:24:01.605>in <00:24:01.780>the <00:24:01.955>US

555
00:24:05.305 --> 00:24:08.885
<00:24:05.305>is <00:24:05.505>way <00:24:05.705>shorter <00:24:05.905>than <00:24:06.105>average, <00:24:06.305>than <00:24:06.505>in <00:24:06.705>Europe.

556
00:24:09.145 --> 00:24:12.965
<00:24:09.145>So <00:24:09.300>you <00:24:09.456>have <00:24:09.611>longer <00:24:09.767>talks, <00:24:09.922>you <00:24:10.078>have <00:24:10.233>much <00:24:10.389>more, <00:24:10.545>um,

557
00:24:13.105 --> 00:24:14.725
<00:24:13.105>you <00:24:13.455>have <00:24:13.805>to <00:24:14.155>report <00:24:14.505>more.

558
00:24:15.425 --> 00:24:18.445
<00:24:15.425>And <00:24:15.658>I <00:24:15.891>think <00:24:16.125>most <00:24:16.358>people <00:24:16.591>talk <00:24:16.825>about

559
00:24:18.675 --> 00:24:20.805
<00:24:18.675>that <00:24:18.955>the <00:24:19.235>regulation <00:24:19.514>is <00:24:19.794>a <00:24:20.075>hindrance,

560
00:24:21.345 --> 00:24:25.925
<00:24:21.345>but <00:24:21.520>I <00:24:21.695>think, <00:24:21.870>uh, <00:24:22.045>mindset <00:24:22.220>is <00:24:22.395>the <00:24:22.570>bigger <00:24:22.745>one

561
00:24:26.025 --> 00:24:27.405
<00:24:26.025>or <00:24:26.335>the <00:24:26.646>more <00:24:26.956>important <00:24:27.267>one.

562
00:24:28.105 --> 00:24:31.065
<00:24:28.105>Um, <00:24:28.455>so <00:24:28.805>I <00:24:29.155>think <00:24:29.505>in,

563
00:24:31.205 --> 00:24:34.785
<00:24:31.205>in <00:24:31.332>the <00:24:31.459>u <00:24:31.586>we <00:24:31.714>are <00:24:31.841>more <00:24:31.968>risk <00:24:32.095>averse <00:24:32.223>also <00:24:32.350>in, <00:24:32.477>in <00:24:32.605>the,

564
00:24:34.785 --> 00:24:35.945
<00:24:34.785>in <00:24:35.133>the <00:24:35.481>investment <00:24:35.829>scene.

565
00:24:36.645 --> 00:24:41.225
<00:24:36.645>And <00:24:36.785>I <00:24:36.925>think <00:24:37.065>that <00:24:37.205>is <00:24:37.345>some <00:24:37.485>something <00:24:37.625>if <00:24:37.764>that <00:24:37.905>changes, <00:24:38.045>uh,

566
00:24:41.405 --> 00:24:44.385
<00:24:41.405>or <00:24:41.560>if <00:24:41.716>people <00:24:41.871>would <00:24:42.027>invest <00:24:42.182>more <00:24:42.338>in <00:24:42.493>their <00:24:42.649>own <00:24:42.805>companies.

567
00:24:44.525 --> 00:24:46.785
<00:24:44.525>So <00:24:44.700>most <00:24:44.875>of <00:24:45.050>my <00:24:45.225>friends, <00:24:45.400>they're <00:24:45.575>invest <00:24:45.750>in <00:24:45.925>Nauck,

568
00:24:46.925 --> 00:24:49.065
<00:24:46.925>but <00:24:47.205>not <00:24:47.485>in, <00:24:47.764>uh, <00:24:48.044>EU <00:24:48.325>stocks

569
00:24:49.525 --> 00:24:51.665
<00:24:49.525>and <00:24:49.725>then <00:24:49.925>complain <00:24:50.125>about <00:24:50.325>the <00:24:50.525>lack <00:24:50.725>of <00:24:50.925>growth.

570
00:24:51.885 --> 00:24:53.225
<00:24:51.885>And <00:24:52.126>I'm <00:24:52.367>like, <00:24:52.608>yeah, <00:24:52.849>but <00:24:53.091>dude,

571
00:24:53.525 --> 00:24:55.945
<00:24:53.525>if <00:24:53.758>nobody <00:24:53.991>invests, <00:24:54.225>how <00:24:54.458>should <00:24:54.691>they <00:24:54.925>grow?

572
00:24:56.575 --> 00:24:57.575
<00:24:56.575>This <00:24:57.025>doesn't <00:24:57.475>work.

573
00:24:59.295 --> 00:25:01.865
<00:24:59.295>Yeah, <00:24:59.435>I <00:24:59.575>mean, <00:24:59.715>the, <00:24:59.855>the <00:24:59.995>whole <00:25:00.135>idea <00:25:00.275>of <00:25:00.415>like, <00:25:00.555>I <00:25:00.695>mean,

574
00:25:01.945 --> 00:25:04.505
<00:25:01.945>I <00:25:02.120>invest <00:25:02.294>in <00:25:02.470>like, <00:25:02.645>uh, <00:25:02.820>in <00:25:02.995>like <00:25:03.169>renewable <00:25:03.345>energies,

575
00:25:04.505 --> 00:25:06.385
<00:25:04.505>which <00:25:04.705>is <00:25:04.905>not <00:25:05.105>moving <00:25:05.305>fast <00:25:05.505>up <00:25:05.705>and <00:25:05.905>down,

576
00:25:06.405 --> 00:25:07.545
<00:25:06.405>but <00:25:06.747>it's <00:25:07.089>moving <00:25:07.431>steadily.

577
00:25:07.885 --> 00:25:10.065
<00:25:07.885>And <00:25:08.025>I <00:25:08.165>think <00:25:08.305>that's <00:25:08.445>a, <00:25:08.585>that's <00:25:08.725>an <00:25:08.865>important <00:25:09.004>thing <00:25:09.145>to <00:25:09.285>do.

578
00:25:10.645 --> 00:25:13.425
<00:25:10.645>Uh, <00:25:10.800>the <00:25:10.956>risk <00:25:11.111>advertise, <00:25:11.267>I <00:25:11.422>think <00:25:11.578>is <00:25:11.733>an <00:25:11.889>interesting <00:25:12.045>one.

579
00:25:13.425 --> 00:25:14.705
<00:25:13.425>The <00:25:13.589>other <00:25:13.754>thing <00:25:13.918>is <00:25:14.083>also, <00:25:14.247>like <00:25:14.412>in <00:25:14.577>America,

580
00:25:14.725 --> 00:25:16.105
<00:25:14.725>if <00:25:15.035>you're <00:25:15.346>see <00:25:15.656>your <00:25:15.967>entrepreneur

581
00:25:16.105 --> 00:25:19.185
<00:25:16.105>and <00:25:16.280>you, <00:25:16.455>you <00:25:16.630>basically <00:25:16.805>run <00:25:16.980>four <00:25:17.155>countries <00:25:17.330>into <00:25:17.505>four

582
00:25:19.465 --> 00:25:21.945
<00:25:19.465>companies <00:25:19.665>into <00:25:19.865>the <00:25:20.064>ground, <00:25:20.264>people <00:25:20.465>still <00:25:20.665>keep <00:25:20.865>believing

583
00:25:21.945 --> 00:25:24.105
<00:25:21.945>that <00:25:22.145>this <00:25:22.345>time <00:25:22.544>you <00:25:22.745>will <00:25:22.945>actually <00:25:23.145>not <00:25:23.345>make

584
00:25:24.105 --> 00:25:25.185
<00:25:24.105>the <00:25:24.429>same <00:25:24.753>mistakes <00:25:25.077>again.

585
00:25:25.185 --> 00:25:27.585
<00:25:25.185>Whereas <00:25:25.325>like, <00:25:25.465>you <00:25:25.605>make <00:25:25.745>it <00:25:25.885>for <00:25:26.024>the <00:25:26.165>first <00:25:26.304>time <00:25:26.445>in <00:25:26.585>Germany

586
00:25:27.805 --> 00:25:28.985
<00:25:27.805>and <00:25:28.159>you're <00:25:28.513>basically <00:25:28.867>done,

587
00:25:28.985 --> 00:25:30.745
<00:25:28.985>there's <00:25:29.185>no <00:25:29.385>way <00:25:29.584>you <00:25:29.784>can <00:25:29.985>get <00:25:30.185>money <00:25:30.385>anymore.

588
00:25:31.165 --> 00:25:32.985
<00:25:31.165>So <00:25:31.340>having <00:25:31.514>a <00:25:31.690>clean <00:25:31.865>exit <00:25:32.040>is <00:25:32.215>a <00:25:32.389>different <00:25:32.565>story,

589
00:25:32.985 --> 00:25:36.145
<00:25:32.985>but <00:25:33.140>having <00:25:33.296>brought <00:25:33.451>basically <00:25:33.607>a <00:25:33.762>startup <00:25:33.918>not <00:25:34.073>working <00:25:34.229>out <00:25:34.385>is

590
00:25:36.905 --> 00:25:38.265
<00:25:36.905>means <00:25:37.109>you <00:25:37.313>have <00:25:37.517>to <00:25:37.721>go <00:25:37.925>out <00:25:38.129>there.

591
00:25:38.605 --> 00:25:39.905
<00:25:38.605>And <00:25:38.897>it's, <00:25:39.190>it's <00:25:39.482>really <00:25:39.775>frustrating

592
00:25:40.065 --> 00:25:41.145
<00:25:40.065>'cause <00:25:40.203>I <00:25:40.342>see <00:25:40.481>it <00:25:40.620>on <00:25:40.759>LinkedIn <00:25:40.898>as <00:25:41.037>well.

593
00:25:41.225 --> 00:25:42.265
<00:25:41.225>A <00:25:41.380>lot <00:25:41.537>of <00:25:41.693>people <00:25:41.849>are <00:25:42.005>just <00:25:42.161>like,

594
00:25:42.265 --> 00:25:44.985
<00:25:42.265>right <00:25:42.440>now <00:25:42.615>going <00:25:42.790>bonkers <00:25:42.965>about <00:25:43.140>like <00:25:43.315>how <00:25:43.490>America <00:25:43.665>is

595
00:25:44.985 --> 00:25:46.465
<00:25:44.985>so <00:25:45.251>much <00:25:45.517>faster <00:25:45.784>than <00:25:46.050>Europe <00:25:46.317>is.

596
00:25:46.805 --> 00:25:48.465
<00:25:46.805>And <00:25:47.005>then <00:25:47.205>I'm <00:25:47.405>like, <00:25:47.605>so <00:25:47.805>you <00:25:48.005>live <00:25:48.205>in

597
00:25:48.465 --> 00:25:49.505
<00:25:48.465>Hamburg, <00:25:48.652>why <00:25:48.839>do <00:25:49.026>you <00:25:49.213>live <00:25:49.401>here?

598
00:25:49.505 --> 00:25:50.825
<00:25:49.505>Just <00:25:49.703>go <00:25:49.901>away <00:25:50.099>if <00:25:50.297>you <00:25:50.495>like <00:25:50.693>it

599
00:25:50.825 --> 00:25:52.145
<00:25:50.825>that <00:25:51.023>much, <00:25:51.221>and <00:25:51.419>you <00:25:51.617>go <00:25:51.815>over <00:25:52.013>there.

600
00:25:52.205 --> 00:25:54.185
<00:25:52.205>So, <00:25:52.554>uh, <00:25:52.905>uh, <00:25:53.254>I <00:25:53.605>mean,

601
00:25:54.215 --> 00:25:56.425
<00:25:54.215>Germans <00:25:54.448>are <00:25:54.681>unhappy <00:25:54.915>when <00:25:55.148>they <00:25:55.381>can't <00:25:55.615>complain.

602
00:25:56.895 --> 00:25:58.065
<00:25:56.895>Like, <00:25:57.158>that's <00:25:57.421>the <00:25:57.684>main <00:25:57.948>thing.

603
00:25:58.165 --> 00:25:59.785
<00:25:58.165>And <00:25:58.365>it's <00:25:58.565>like <00:25:58.764>we, <00:25:58.965>we <00:25:59.165>love <00:25:59.365>to <00:25:59.565>complain

604
00:25:59.785 --> 00:26:01.505
<00:25:59.785>and <00:25:59.985>compare <00:26:00.185>these <00:26:00.385>things, <00:26:00.585>uh, <00:26:00.785>all <00:26:00.985>the <00:26:01.185>time,

605
00:26:01.565 --> 00:26:02.905
<00:26:01.565>but <00:26:01.766>we <00:26:01.967>don't <00:26:02.168>do <00:26:02.369>much <00:26:02.570>about <00:26:02.771>it.

606
00:26:02.925 --> 00:26:06.065
<00:26:02.925>So <00:26:03.052>it's <00:26:03.179>great <00:26:03.306>to <00:26:03.434>see. <00:26:03.561>It's <00:26:03.688>interesting <00:26:03.815>that <00:26:03.943>you <00:26:04.070>were <00:26:04.197>on, <00:26:04.325>uh,

607
00:26:06.125 --> 00:26:09.425
<00:26:06.125>on <00:26:06.280>uh, <00:26:06.436>shark <00:26:06.591>Tank <00:26:06.747>or <00:26:06.902>Dragon <00:26:07.058>Stand <00:26:07.213>or <00:26:07.369>Lion <00:26:07.525>Thing.

608
00:26:09.425 --> 00:26:11.465
<00:26:09.425>It <00:26:09.600>was <00:26:09.774>true <00:26:09.950>in, <00:26:10.125>in <00:26:10.300>Europe, <00:26:10.475>I <00:26:10.649>don't <00:26:10.825>know

609
00:26:11.465 --> 00:26:13.305
<00:26:11.465>what <00:26:11.698>a <00:26:11.931>different <00:26:12.165>animals, <00:26:12.398>but, <00:26:12.631>uh, <00:26:12.865>there's,

610
00:26:13.775 --> 00:26:15.065
<00:26:13.775>there's <00:26:14.355>oftentimes <00:26:14.936>things

611
00:26:15.065 --> 00:26:16.585
<00:26:15.065>that <00:26:15.338>are <00:26:15.612>focused <00:26:15.885>around <00:26:16.159>kids <00:26:16.433>there.

612
00:26:16.705 --> 00:26:20.025
<00:26:16.705>I <00:26:16.879>remember <00:26:17.054>those <00:26:17.230>trunky, <00:26:17.405>uh, <00:26:17.580>uh, <00:26:17.754>those <00:26:17.929>trunky <00:26:18.105>like,

613
00:26:20.085 --> 00:26:21.345
<00:26:20.085>uh, <00:26:20.463>suitcases <00:26:20.841>for <00:26:21.219>kids.

614
00:26:21.345 --> 00:26:22.585
<00:26:21.345>They <00:26:21.531>were <00:26:21.717>there <00:26:21.903>as <00:26:22.089>well <00:26:22.275>in <00:26:22.461>Germany,

615
00:26:22.965 --> 00:26:24.105
<00:26:22.965>not <00:26:23.170>in <00:26:23.375>England <00:26:23.580>back <00:26:23.785>then, <00:26:23.991>the

616
00:26:24.105 --> 00:26:25.345
<00:26:24.105>Dragon <00:26:24.384>standards <00:26:24.663>it's <00:26:24.942>called <00:26:25.221>there.

617
00:26:25.845 --> 00:26:29.025
<00:26:25.845>How <00:26:25.985>did <00:26:26.125>you <00:26:26.265>feel <00:26:26.405>when <00:26:26.545>you, <00:26:26.685>when <00:26:26.825>you <00:26:26.965>got <00:26:27.105>investment <00:26:27.245>there,

618
00:26:29.085 --> 00:26:33.065
<00:26:29.085>did <00:26:29.192>you <00:26:29.300>feel <00:26:29.408>like <00:26:29.515>you, <00:26:29.623>uh, <00:26:29.731>you <00:26:29.838>had <00:26:29.946>to, <00:26:30.054>you <00:26:30.161>had <00:26:30.269>to <00:26:30.377>act <00:26:30.485>fast.

619
00:26:33.415 --> 00:26:36.465
<00:26:33.415>What <00:26:33.555>were <00:26:33.695>they <00:26:33.835>pushing, <00:26:33.975>uh, <00:26:34.115>to <00:26:34.254>get <00:26:34.395>the <00:26:34.534>thing <00:26:34.675>out <00:26:34.815>soon?

620
00:26:36.485 --> 00:26:38.745
<00:26:36.485>Or <00:26:36.612>is <00:26:36.739>it, <00:26:36.866>uh, <00:26:36.994>is <00:26:37.121>it <00:26:37.248>more <00:26:37.375>of <00:26:37.503>a <00:26:37.630>you <00:26:37.757>had <00:26:37.885>more

621
00:26:38.745 --> 00:26:41.025
<00:26:38.745>to <00:26:38.978>do <00:26:39.211>more <00:26:39.445>interviews <00:26:39.678>than <00:26:39.911>coding <00:26:40.145>afterwards?

622
00:26:43.195 --> 00:26:45.535
<00:26:43.195>We <00:26:43.395>actually, <00:26:43.595>we <00:26:43.794>didn't <00:26:43.995>get <00:26:44.195>investment <00:26:44.395>there. <00:26:44.595>Yeah.

623
00:26:45.995 --> 00:26:48.855
<00:26:45.995>We, <00:26:46.135>and <00:26:46.274>we <00:26:46.415>all, <00:26:46.554>we, <00:26:46.695>how <00:26:46.834>to <00:26:46.975>say, <00:26:47.114>we <00:26:47.254>almost <00:26:47.395>knew

624
00:26:48.855 --> 00:26:50.055
<00:26:48.855>that <00:26:49.035>we're <00:26:49.215>not <00:26:49.395>gonna <00:26:49.575>get <00:26:49.755>investment <00:26:49.935>there

625
00:26:50.055 --> 00:26:51.895
<00:26:50.055>because <00:26:50.288>it's <00:26:50.521>called <00:26:50.755>two, <00:26:50.988>uh, <00:26:51.221>two <00:26:51.455>minutes,

626
00:26:51.955 --> 00:26:53.895
<00:26:51.955>2 <00:26:52.188>million <00:26:52.421>basically <00:26:52.655>the <00:26:52.888>show <00:26:53.121>in <00:26:53.355>Austria.

627
00:26:53.895 --> 00:26:54.895
<00:26:53.895>Yeah. <00:26:54.120>Which <00:26:54.345>is <00:26:54.570>very <00:26:54.795>similar.

628
00:26:55.005 --> 00:26:56.575
<00:26:55.005>It's <00:26:55.205>basically <00:26:55.405>the <00:26:55.605>same <00:26:55.805>thing <00:26:56.005>as <00:26:56.205>Shark <00:26:56.405>Tank

629
00:26:57.075 --> 00:26:58.175
<00:26:57.075>and <00:26:57.405>the <00:26:57.735>investors <00:26:58.065>there,

630
00:26:58.175 --> 00:27:00.655
<00:26:58.175>they <00:26:58.408>weren't <00:26:58.641>focused <00:26:58.875>on <00:26:59.108>investing <00:26:59.341>in <00:26:59.575>apps.

631
00:27:01.125 --> 00:27:05.855
<00:27:01.125>Yeah. <00:27:01.252>But <00:27:01.379>it <00:27:01.506>was <00:27:01.634>still <00:27:01.761>a <00:27:01.888>very <00:27:02.015>huge <00:27:02.143>PR <00:27:02.270>success <00:27:02.397>for <00:27:02.525>us.

632
00:27:06.435 --> 00:27:08.375
<00:27:06.435>So <00:27:06.590>we <00:27:06.746>didn't <00:27:06.901>get <00:27:07.057>investment, <00:27:07.212>we <00:27:07.368>didn't <00:27:07.523>get <00:27:07.679>the <00:27:07.835>money,

633
00:27:08.955 --> 00:27:10.535
<00:27:08.955>but <00:27:09.188>that <00:27:09.421>was <00:27:09.655>perfectly <00:27:09.888>fine <00:27:10.121>for <00:27:10.355>us.

634
00:27:10.595 --> 00:27:14.095
<00:27:10.595>We <00:27:10.735>got <00:27:10.875>the <00:27:11.015>exposure, <00:27:11.155>and <00:27:11.295>I <00:27:11.435>just <00:27:11.575>remember <00:27:11.715>like <00:27:11.855>as <00:27:11.995>soon

635
00:27:14.095 --> 00:27:16.135
<00:27:14.095>as <00:27:14.295>they <00:27:14.495>were <00:27:14.695>showing <00:27:14.895>it <00:27:15.095>live, <00:27:15.295>the <00:27:15.495>downloads

636
00:27:16.155 --> 00:27:17.455
<00:27:16.155>and <00:27:16.545>like <00:27:16.935>the <00:27:17.324>notifications

637
00:27:17.455 --> 00:27:21.335
<00:27:17.455>of <00:27:17.595>people <00:27:17.735>buying <00:27:17.875>the <00:27:18.014>app <00:27:18.155>just <00:27:18.294>went <00:27:18.435>crazy <00:27:18.574>the <00:27:18.715>moment, <00:27:18.855>uh,

638
00:27:21.335 --> 00:27:24.375
<00:27:21.335>when <00:27:21.490>the <00:27:21.646>show <00:27:21.801>stopped <00:27:21.957>and <00:27:22.112>they <00:27:22.268>did <00:27:22.423>like, <00:27:22.579>um, <00:27:22.735>advertisement,

639
00:27:24.515 --> 00:27:28.855
<00:27:24.515>uh, <00:27:24.642>break <00:27:24.769>for <00:27:24.896>like <00:27:25.024>five <00:27:25.151>minutes, <00:27:25.278>the <00:27:25.405>graph <00:27:25.533>was <00:27:25.660>just <00:27:25.787>like <00:27:25.915>up.

640
00:27:29.705 --> 00:27:31.155
<00:27:29.705>Yeah, <00:27:29.922>I <00:27:30.139>mean, <00:27:30.357>I <00:27:30.575>have <00:27:30.792>to <00:27:31.010>say,

641
00:27:31.155 --> 00:27:33.835
<00:27:31.155>you <00:27:31.295>can <00:27:31.435>say <00:27:31.575>a <00:27:31.715>lot <00:27:31.855>about <00:27:31.995>things <00:27:32.135>about, <00:27:32.274>uh, <00:27:32.415>you <00:27:32.555>know,

642
00:27:33.935 --> 00:27:36.555
<00:27:33.935>old <00:27:34.168>school <00:27:34.401>advertising <00:27:34.635>and, <00:27:34.868>and <00:27:35.101>uh, <00:27:35.335>stuff,

643
00:27:36.935 --> 00:27:40.355
<00:27:36.935>but <00:27:37.168>TV <00:27:37.401>is <00:27:37.635>just <00:27:37.868>kills <00:27:38.101>everything <00:27:38.335>else.

644
00:27:40.795 --> 00:27:45.035
<00:27:40.795>I <00:27:40.922>mean, <00:27:41.049>we <00:27:41.176>were <00:27:41.304>featured <00:27:41.431>in <00:27:41.558>Wired, <00:27:41.685>uh, <00:27:41.813>like <00:27:41.940>in <00:27:42.067>one <00:27:42.195>article

645
00:27:45.095 --> 00:27:46.515
<00:27:45.095>and <00:27:45.308>got <00:27:45.521>a <00:27:45.734>back <00:27:45.947>link <00:27:46.160>from <00:27:46.373>there,

646
00:27:46.975 --> 00:27:51.235
<00:27:46.975>and <00:27:47.115>it <00:27:47.254>was <00:27:47.395>not <00:27:47.534>even <00:27:47.675>comparable <00:27:47.814>to <00:27:47.955>the <00:27:48.094>amount <00:27:48.235>of, <00:27:48.375>uh,

647
00:27:51.695 --> 00:27:55.675
<00:27:51.695>new <00:27:51.870>users <00:27:52.044>we <00:27:52.220>got <00:27:52.395>from <00:27:52.570>the <00:27:52.745>Austrian <00:27:52.919>TV <00:27:53.095>show.

648
00:27:55.945 --> 00:27:58.955
<00:27:55.945>It's <00:27:56.100>crazy. <00:27:56.256>I <00:27:56.411>mean, <00:27:56.567>the <00:27:56.722>impact <00:27:56.878>it <00:27:57.033>has <00:27:57.189>on <00:27:57.345>people

649
00:27:59.175 --> 00:28:02.915
<00:27:59.175>to <00:27:59.282>see <00:27:59.390>someone <00:27:59.498>on <00:27:59.605>TV <00:27:59.713>is <00:27:59.821>just <00:27:59.928>also, <00:28:00.036>I <00:28:00.144>think <00:28:00.251>some <00:28:00.359>has <00:28:00.467>to <00:28:00.575>do

650
00:28:02.915 --> 00:28:03.955
<00:28:02.915>with <00:28:03.226>trust, <00:28:03.539>I <00:28:03.851>guess.

651
00:28:04.495 --> 00:28:06.915
<00:28:04.495>Uh, <00:28:04.635>because <00:28:04.774>they're <00:28:04.915>like, <00:28:05.054>ah, <00:28:05.195>you <00:28:05.334>are <00:28:05.475>on <00:28:05.614>tv, <00:28:05.754>you're <00:28:05.895>serious.

652
00:28:07.295 --> 00:28:11.075
<00:28:07.295>Um, <00:28:07.470>but, <00:28:07.645>uh, <00:28:07.820>I, <00:28:07.995>I <00:28:08.170>actually <00:28:08.345>wouldn't <00:28:08.520>have <00:28:08.695>thought

653
00:28:11.295 --> 00:28:13.675
<00:28:11.295>how <00:28:11.575>much <00:28:11.855>impact, <00:28:12.135>uh, <00:28:12.415>it <00:28:12.695>had.

654
00:28:14.955 --> 00:28:16.475
<00:28:14.955>I <00:28:15.150>guess <00:28:15.345>it's <00:28:15.541>a <00:28:15.736>local <00:28:15.932>connection <00:28:16.127>as <00:28:16.322>well.

655
00:28:16.595 --> 00:28:18.715
<00:28:16.595>They <00:28:16.795>see <00:28:16.995>like <00:28:17.195>two <00:28:17.395>guys <00:28:17.595>with <00:28:17.795>Viennese <00:28:17.995>X

656
00:28:18.715 --> 00:28:19.875
<00:28:18.715>and <00:28:18.976>uh, <00:28:19.236>talking <00:28:19.498>on <00:28:19.759>tele

657
00:28:19.875 --> 00:28:21.955
<00:28:19.875>and <00:28:20.015>they're <00:28:20.155>like, <00:28:20.295>oh, <00:28:20.435>that's <00:28:20.575>a, <00:28:20.715>that's <00:28:20.855>an <00:28:20.995>app <00:28:21.135>built <00:28:21.275>here,

658
00:28:22.095 --> 00:28:23.275
<00:28:22.095>so <00:28:22.307>I'm <00:28:22.519>gonna <00:28:22.732>use <00:28:22.944>that <00:28:23.157>one.

659
00:28:23.495 --> 00:28:24.755
<00:28:23.495>And <00:28:23.657>they <00:28:23.819>got <00:28:23.981>the <00:28:24.143>phone <00:28:24.305>in <00:28:24.467>their <00:28:24.629>hand

660
00:28:24.775 --> 00:28:26.795
<00:28:24.775>and <00:28:24.975>it's <00:28:25.175>one <00:28:25.375>click <00:28:25.575>to <00:28:25.775>basically <00:28:25.975>get <00:28:26.175>it.

661
00:28:26.855 --> 00:28:28.955
<00:28:26.855>So <00:28:27.088>that <00:28:27.321>might <00:28:27.555>help <00:28:27.788>in <00:28:28.021>this <00:28:28.255>case

662
00:28:28.955 --> 00:28:29.955
<00:28:28.955>As <00:28:29.179>well. <00:28:29.405>Yeah. <00:28:29.629>And, <00:28:29.855>and

663
00:28:29.955 --> 00:28:31.875
<00:28:29.955>we <00:28:30.235>get <00:28:30.514>that <00:28:30.794>feeling, <00:28:31.074>um, <00:28:31.355>more

664
00:28:31.875 --> 00:28:33.595
<00:28:31.875>and <00:28:32.108>more, <00:28:32.341>I <00:28:32.575>mean, <00:28:32.808>yes, <00:28:33.041>on <00:28:33.275>Twitter

665
00:28:33.655 --> 00:28:36.875
<00:28:33.655>and <00:28:33.810>on <00:28:33.966>X <00:28:34.121>there <00:28:34.277>is <00:28:34.432>this <00:28:34.588>anti-EU <00:28:34.743>feeling <00:28:34.899>in <00:28:35.055>general,

666
00:28:37.375 --> 00:28:39.875
<00:28:37.375>but <00:28:37.502>for <00:28:37.629>example, <00:28:37.756>we <00:28:37.884>have <00:28:38.011>another <00:28:38.138>app <00:28:38.265>which <00:28:38.393>is <00:28:38.520>called <00:28:38.647>Ask <00:28:38.775>the

667
00:28:39.915 --> 00:28:41.715
<00:28:39.915>PDF, <00:28:40.148>which <00:28:40.381>is <00:28:40.615>basically <00:28:40.848>a <00:28:41.081>PDF <00:28:41.315>chat

668
00:28:41.735 --> 00:28:44.475
<00:28:41.735>and <00:28:41.935>like <00:28:42.135>an <00:28:42.334>AI <00:28:42.534>assistant, <00:28:42.735>uh, <00:28:42.935>for <00:28:43.135>students,

669
00:28:44.565 --> 00:28:48.395
<00:28:44.565>which <00:28:44.720>we <00:28:44.876>did <00:28:45.031>user <00:28:45.187>testing <00:28:45.342>for <00:28:45.498>in <00:28:45.653>Germany, <00:28:45.809>uh, <00:28:45.965>just

670
00:28:48.415 --> 00:28:49.515
<00:28:48.415>to <00:28:48.662>about <00:28:48.910>two <00:28:49.157>weeks <00:28:49.405>ago.

671
00:28:49.535 --> 00:28:50.795
<00:28:49.535>And <00:28:49.724>I <00:28:49.913>have <00:28:50.102>spoken <00:28:50.291>to <00:28:50.480>10 <00:28:50.669>people,

672
00:28:51.295 --> 00:28:54.715
<00:28:51.295>and <00:28:51.495>actually <00:28:51.695>half <00:28:51.895>of <00:28:52.095>them <00:28:52.295>were <00:28:52.495>like, <00:28:52.695>oh,

673
00:28:55.015 --> 00:28:57.395
<00:28:55.015>that's <00:28:55.142>an <00:28:55.269>app <00:28:55.396>made <00:28:55.524>in <00:28:55.651>Europe, <00:28:55.778>that's <00:28:55.905>an <00:28:56.033>app <00:28:56.160>made <00:28:56.287>in <00:28:56.415>Vienna.

674
00:28:57.395 --> 00:28:58.795
<00:28:57.395>Oh, <00:28:57.605>I'm <00:28:57.815>definitely <00:28:58.025>gonna <00:28:58.235>try <00:28:58.445>it <00:28:58.655>out.

675
00:28:59.055 --> 00:29:00.635
<00:28:59.055>And <00:28:59.288>they <00:28:59.521>were <00:28:59.755>actually <00:28:59.988>very, <00:29:00.221>very <00:29:00.455>happy

676
00:29:00.635 --> 00:29:03.115
<00:29:00.635>and <00:29:00.835>very <00:29:01.035>excited <00:29:01.235>about <00:29:01.435>apps <00:29:01.635>being <00:29:01.835>built <00:29:02.035>here.

677
00:29:03.415 --> 00:29:05.875
<00:29:03.415>And <00:29:03.590>I <00:29:03.764>think <00:29:03.940>that, <00:29:04.115>or <00:29:04.290>I <00:29:04.465>think, <00:29:04.639>I <00:29:04.815>hope

678
00:29:06.305 --> 00:29:08.675
<00:29:06.305>that <00:29:06.585>the <00:29:06.865>mentality <00:29:07.145>here <00:29:07.425>basically <00:29:07.705>kind

679
00:29:08.675 --> 00:29:10.635
<00:29:08.675>of <00:29:09.024>starts <00:29:09.375>shifting <00:29:09.725>towards <00:29:10.075>startups

680
00:29:11.215 --> 00:29:14.275
<00:29:11.215>or <00:29:11.415>towards <00:29:11.615>supporting <00:29:11.814>startups <00:29:12.014>from <00:29:12.215>the <00:29:12.415>European <00:29:12.615>Union

681
00:29:14.375 --> 00:29:17.955
<00:29:14.375>or <00:29:14.515>just <00:29:14.655>the <00:29:14.795>u <00:29:14.935>uh, <00:29:15.075>Europe <00:29:15.215>as <00:29:15.355>a <00:29:15.495>continent <00:29:15.635>in <00:29:15.775>general.

682
00:29:19.155 --> 00:29:20.415
<00:29:19.155>We <00:29:19.438>need <00:29:19.722>more <00:29:20.005>success <00:29:20.289>stories.

683
00:29:20.615 --> 00:29:23.255
<00:29:20.615>I <00:29:20.755>mean, <00:29:20.895>uh, <00:29:21.035>Spotify <00:29:21.175>was <00:29:21.315>always <00:29:21.455>the <00:29:21.595>big <00:29:21.735>one, <00:29:21.875>like, <00:29:22.015>oh,

684
00:29:23.255 --> 00:29:26.295
<00:29:23.255>Swedish <00:29:23.410>company, <00:29:23.566>but <00:29:23.721>it's, <00:29:23.877>it's <00:29:24.032>been <00:29:24.188>an <00:29:24.343>American <00:29:24.499>company <00:29:24.655>for

685
00:29:26.295 --> 00:29:28.895
<00:29:26.295>so <00:29:26.435>long <00:29:26.575>now, <00:29:26.715>there's <00:29:26.855>not <00:29:26.995>much <00:29:27.135>left <00:29:27.275>of <00:29:27.415>the <00:29:27.555>Swedish <00:29:27.695>original,

686
00:29:29.515 --> 00:29:31.175
<00:29:29.515>uh, <00:29:29.795>idea, <00:29:30.075>I <00:29:30.355>think <00:29:30.635>in <00:29:30.915>there,

687
00:29:31.175 --> 00:29:32.855
<00:29:31.175>because <00:29:31.350>I <00:29:31.524>knew, <00:29:31.700>I <00:29:31.875>knew <00:29:32.050>the <00:29:32.225>founder <00:29:32.399>back <00:29:32.575>then,

688
00:29:32.855 --> 00:29:34.655
<00:29:32.855>and <00:29:33.030>he <00:29:33.205>said <00:29:33.380>like, <00:29:33.555>I <00:29:33.730>wanna <00:29:33.905>make <00:29:34.080>illegal <00:29:34.255>downloads

689
00:29:34.655 --> 00:29:35.655
<00:29:34.655>of <00:29:35.105>music <00:29:35.555>unnecessary.

690
00:29:35.925 --> 00:29:37.295
<00:29:35.925>That <00:29:36.130>was <00:29:36.336>the <00:29:36.541>first <00:29:36.747>goal <00:29:36.952>of <00:29:37.158>Spotify,

691
00:29:37.475 --> 00:29:40.535
<00:29:37.475>and <00:29:37.649>now <00:29:37.824>it's <00:29:38.000>like, <00:29:38.175>which <00:29:38.350>podcasts <00:29:38.524>can <00:29:38.699>we <00:29:38.875>have

692
00:29:40.535 --> 00:29:41.725
<00:29:40.535>and <00:29:40.713>can <00:29:40.892>you <00:29:41.070>play <00:29:41.249>games <00:29:41.427>on <00:29:41.606>it?

693
00:29:41.765 --> 00:29:43.485
<00:29:41.765>I <00:29:41.920>don't <00:29:42.076>even <00:29:42.231>know <00:29:42.387>what's, <00:29:42.542>what <00:29:42.698>all <00:29:42.853>the <00:29:43.009>features <00:29:43.165>are

694
00:29:43.485 --> 00:29:45.005
<00:29:43.485>by <00:29:43.758>now. <00:29:44.032>So <00:29:44.305>the <00:29:44.579>features, <00:29:44.853>do

695
00:29:45.005 --> 00:29:47.405
<00:29:45.005>You <00:29:45.180>know <00:29:45.355>if, <00:29:45.530>do <00:29:45.705>you <00:29:45.880>know <00:29:46.055>if <00:29:46.230>they're <00:29:46.405>profitable?

696
00:29:48.625 --> 00:29:50.725
<00:29:48.625>Um, <00:29:48.975>not, <00:29:49.325>I <00:29:49.675>don't <00:29:50.025>know.

697
00:29:51.125 --> 00:29:54.205
<00:29:51.125>I <00:29:51.232>mean, <00:29:51.340>I, <00:29:51.448>I, <00:29:51.555>I <00:29:51.663>would <00:29:51.771>be, <00:29:51.878>I <00:29:51.986>would <00:29:52.094>be <00:29:52.201>very <00:29:52.309>surprised <00:29:52.417>if <00:29:52.525>not,

698
00:29:54.545 --> 00:29:57.445
<00:29:54.545>but <00:29:54.700>then <00:29:54.856>again, <00:29:55.011>Amazon <00:29:55.167>wasn't <00:29:55.322>profitable <00:29:55.478>for <00:29:55.633>like <00:29:55.789>15 <00:29:55.945>years,

699
00:29:57.585 --> 00:30:00.165
<00:29:57.585>so <00:29:57.818>it's, <00:29:58.051>you <00:29:58.285>never <00:29:58.518>know, <00:29:58.751>you <00:29:58.985>know,

700
00:30:00.785 --> 00:30:02.445
<00:30:00.785>and <00:30:00.985>I <00:30:01.185>think <00:30:01.385>your <00:30:01.585>in, <00:30:01.785>in <00:30:01.985>this <00:30:02.185>case,

701
00:30:02.475 --> 00:30:04.525
<00:30:02.475>it's <00:30:02.675>also <00:30:02.875>the <00:30:03.074>biggest <00:30:03.274>problem <00:30:03.475>with <00:30:03.675>music <00:30:03.875>distribution,

702
00:30:04.525 --> 00:30:07.365
<00:30:04.525>film <00:30:04.680>distributions, <00:30:04.836>that <00:30:04.991>you <00:30:05.147>actually <00:30:05.302>have <00:30:05.458>to <00:30:05.613>pay <00:30:05.769>the, <00:30:05.925>uh,

703
00:30:07.365 --> 00:30:09.845
<00:30:07.365>the <00:30:07.540>studios, <00:30:07.715>uh, <00:30:07.890>for <00:30:08.065>the <00:30:08.240>right <00:30:08.415>to <00:30:08.590>do <00:30:08.765>it.

704
00:30:09.865 --> 00:30:11.245
<00:30:09.865>So <00:30:10.042>I <00:30:10.219>guess <00:30:10.397>that's <00:30:10.574>where <00:30:10.752>the <00:30:10.929>money <00:30:11.107>goes.

705
00:30:11.265 --> 00:30:13.325
<00:30:11.265>In <00:30:11.498>your <00:30:11.731>case, <00:30:11.965>it's <00:30:12.198>like <00:30:12.431>user <00:30:12.665>generated

706
00:30:13.325 --> 00:30:14.485
<00:30:13.325>or <00:30:13.673>LLM <00:30:14.021>generated <00:30:14.369>content.

707
00:30:14.735 --> 00:30:16.045
<00:30:14.735>Which <00:30:14.970>brings <00:30:15.206>me <00:30:15.442>to <00:30:15.678>another <00:30:15.914>question.

708
00:30:16.045 --> 00:30:18.365
<00:30:16.045>When <00:30:16.220>you <00:30:16.395>said <00:30:16.570>earlier <00:30:16.745>that <00:30:16.920>we're <00:30:17.095>actually <00:30:17.270>testing <00:30:17.445>these

709
00:30:18.365 --> 00:30:19.685
<00:30:18.365>things <00:30:18.563>and <00:30:18.761>running <00:30:18.959>it <00:30:19.157>through <00:30:19.355>an <00:30:19.553>l

710
00:30:19.685 --> 00:30:22.005
<00:30:19.685>and <00:30:19.885>m, <00:30:20.085>do <00:30:20.284>you <00:30:20.485>also <00:30:20.685>do <00:30:20.885>collect <00:30:21.085>stories?

711
00:30:22.145 --> 00:30:24.085
<00:30:22.145>Is <00:30:22.320>there <00:30:22.495>like <00:30:22.670>an <00:30:22.845>idea <00:30:23.020>to <00:30:23.195>say <00:30:23.370>like, <00:30:23.545>Hey,

712
00:30:24.085 --> 00:30:26.885
<00:30:24.085>here's <00:30:24.240>a <00:30:24.396>success <00:30:24.551>story <00:30:24.707>that <00:30:24.862>what <00:30:25.018>kids <00:30:25.173>liked <00:30:25.329>a <00:30:25.485>lot?

713
00:30:26.915 --> 00:30:29.045
<00:30:26.915>Like <00:30:27.115>you <00:30:27.315>say <00:30:27.514>you <00:30:27.715>start <00:30:27.915>with <00:30:28.115>with <00:30:28.315>blocks,

714
00:30:29.385 --> 00:30:32.205
<00:30:29.385>but <00:30:29.540>do <00:30:29.696>you <00:30:29.851>also <00:30:30.007>think <00:30:30.162>about <00:30:30.318>like <00:30:30.473>making <00:30:30.629>it <00:30:30.785>reusable

715
00:30:32.205 --> 00:30:34.325
<00:30:32.205>and <00:30:32.345>saying <00:30:32.485>like, <00:30:32.625>here's <00:30:32.764>stories <00:30:32.905>if <00:30:33.044>you <00:30:33.185>just <00:30:33.324>want <00:30:33.465>to <00:30:33.605>listen

716
00:30:34.325 --> 00:30:35.685
<00:30:34.325>to <00:30:34.569>one <00:30:34.814>rather <00:30:35.059>than <00:30:35.304>create <00:30:35.549>one

717
00:30:36.275 --> 00:30:37.765
<00:30:36.275>that <00:30:36.543>might <00:30:36.811>be <00:30:37.079>a <00:30:37.347>good <00:30:37.616>opportunity

718
00:30:37.825 --> 00:30:39.485
<00:30:37.825>to <00:30:38.058>reuse <00:30:38.291>the <00:30:38.525>content <00:30:38.758>rather <00:30:38.991>than <00:30:39.225>having

719
00:30:39.485 --> 00:30:40.965
<00:30:39.485>to <00:30:39.751>recreate <00:30:40.017>it <00:30:40.284>every <00:30:40.550>single <00:30:40.817>time?

720
00:30:42.985 --> 00:30:45.445
<00:30:42.985>Um, <00:30:43.185>I <00:30:43.385>mean, <00:30:43.584>we <00:30:43.784>have <00:30:43.985>thought <00:30:44.185>about <00:30:44.385>it,

721
00:30:45.665 --> 00:30:49.565
<00:30:45.665>and <00:30:45.781>I <00:30:45.898>think <00:30:46.014>it <00:30:46.131>was <00:30:46.248>at <00:30:46.365>some <00:30:46.481>point <00:30:46.598>in <00:30:46.715>our <00:30:46.831>pitch <00:30:46.948>pitch <00:30:47.065>deck

722
00:30:49.625 --> 00:30:50.845
<00:30:49.625>as <00:30:50.174>future <00:30:50.723>ideas,

723
00:30:51.305 --> 00:30:53.805
<00:30:51.305>but <00:30:51.538>we <00:30:51.771>never, <00:30:52.005>ever, <00:30:52.238>uh, <00:30:52.471>actually <00:30:52.705>got

724
00:30:53.805 --> 00:30:55.365
<00:30:53.805>to <00:30:54.155>implement <00:30:54.505>something <00:30:54.855>like <00:30:55.205>this.

725
00:30:55.525 --> 00:30:58.325
<00:30:55.525>I <00:30:55.700>mean, <00:30:55.875>we <00:30:56.050>we're <00:30:56.225>thinking <00:30:56.400>about <00:30:56.575>having, <00:30:56.750>uh, <00:30:56.925>children,

726
00:30:58.435 --> 00:30:59.845
<00:30:58.435>book <00:30:59.069>authors, <00:30:59.704>uh,

727
00:31:00.165 --> 00:31:01.605
<00:31:00.165>distributing <00:31:00.489>their <00:31:00.813>own <00:31:01.137>stories <00:31:01.461>on

728
00:31:01.605 --> 00:31:02.925
<00:31:01.605>our <00:31:01.842>platform <00:31:02.080>or <00:31:02.317>something <00:31:02.555>like <00:31:02.793>that.

729
00:31:03.665 --> 00:31:08.605
<00:31:03.665>Um, <00:31:03.792>but <00:31:03.919>right <00:31:04.046>now <00:31:04.174>we <00:31:04.301>want <00:31:04.428>to <00:31:04.555>focus <00:31:04.683>more <00:31:04.810>on <00:31:04.937>creating <00:31:05.065>Laura

730
00:31:08.705 --> 00:31:10.765
<00:31:08.705>and <00:31:08.985>more <00:31:09.264>on <00:31:09.544>the <00:31:09.824>education <00:31:10.105>side

731
00:31:10.765 --> 00:31:15.165
<00:31:10.765>because <00:31:10.920>we <00:31:11.076>think <00:31:11.231>there <00:31:11.387>there's <00:31:11.542>more <00:31:11.698>value, <00:31:11.853>uh, <00:31:12.009>in <00:31:12.165>it,

732
00:31:16.025 --> 00:31:18.885
<00:31:16.025>um, <00:31:16.305>than <00:31:16.585>just <00:31:16.865>focusing <00:31:17.145>on <00:31:17.425>entertainment.

733
00:31:19.225 --> 00:31:20.845
<00:31:19.225>But <00:31:19.458>we <00:31:19.691>will <00:31:19.925>do <00:31:20.158>both, <00:31:20.391>of <00:31:20.625>course.

734
00:31:21.185 --> 00:31:24.325
<00:31:21.185>So <00:31:21.360>that <00:31:21.534>is <00:31:21.710>right <00:31:21.885>now <00:31:22.060>the, <00:31:22.235>the, <00:31:22.409>the <00:31:22.585>idea.

735
00:31:24.705 --> 00:31:26.285
<00:31:24.705>But <00:31:24.905>yeah, <00:31:25.105>I, <00:31:25.304>I <00:31:25.504>think <00:31:25.705>it <00:31:25.905>would <00:31:26.105>be

736
00:31:26.285 --> 00:31:27.325
<00:31:26.285>great <00:31:26.472>to <00:31:26.659>do <00:31:26.846>that, <00:31:27.033>of <00:31:27.221>course.

737
00:31:27.985 --> 00:31:31.965
<00:31:27.985>Um, <00:31:28.112>it <00:31:28.239>would, <00:31:28.366>would <00:31:28.494>be <00:31:28.621>a <00:31:28.748>cool <00:31:28.875>idea <00:31:29.003>also <00:31:29.130>to <00:31:29.257>combine, <00:31:29.385>uh,

738
00:31:32.125 --> 00:31:34.885
<00:31:32.125>LN <00:31:32.358>generate <00:31:32.591>content <00:31:32.825>with <00:31:33.058>human <00:31:33.291>written <00:31:33.525>content

739
00:31:35.185 --> 00:31:38.765
<00:31:35.185>and <00:31:35.385>just <00:31:35.585>having <00:31:35.784>kind <00:31:35.985>of <00:31:36.185>a <00:31:36.385>story <00:31:36.585>marketplace.

740
00:31:40.355 --> 00:31:42.645
<00:31:40.355>Yeah, <00:31:40.510>lots <00:31:40.666>of <00:31:40.821>ideas. <00:31:40.977>You, <00:31:41.132>I <00:31:41.288>copyright <00:31:41.443>that <00:31:41.599>one, <00:31:41.755>Chris.

741
00:31:43.105 --> 00:31:45.485
<00:31:43.105>Um, <00:31:43.305>just <00:31:43.505>to <00:31:43.705>finish <00:31:43.905>up <00:31:44.105>then, <00:31:44.305>uh, <00:31:44.505>just

742
00:31:45.485 --> 00:31:46.805
<00:31:45.485>to <00:31:45.782>finish <00:31:46.079>up <00:31:46.376>true <00:31:46.673>stories.

743
00:31:47.275 --> 00:31:51.205
<00:31:47.275>Yeah. <00:31:47.625>I'm <00:31:47.975>a <00:31:48.325>creative <00:31:48.675>comment

744
00:31:51.205 --> 00:31:53.005
<00:31:51.205>person, <00:31:51.438>not <00:31:51.671>a <00:31:51.905>new <00:31:52.138>copyright. <00:31:52.371>I'm <00:31:52.605>sorry.

745
00:31:53.985 --> 00:31:58.725
<00:31:53.985>Oh, <00:31:54.101>I <00:31:54.218>like <00:31:54.334>it. <00:31:54.451>Um, <00:31:54.568>so <00:31:54.685>just <00:31:54.801>to <00:31:54.918>finish <00:31:55.034>up, <00:31:55.151>what <00:31:55.268>does, <00:31:55.385>uh,

746
00:31:58.725 --> 00:32:00.885
<00:31:58.725>it's <00:31:58.865>a <00:31:59.004>big <00:31:59.145>question <00:31:59.284>really, <00:31:59.425>but <00:31:59.564>what <00:31:59.705>does <00:31:59.844>2025 <00:31:59.985>look <00:32:00.125>like?

747
00:32:00.885 --> 00:32:02.965
<00:32:00.885>You've, <00:32:01.060>you've <00:32:01.235>given <00:32:01.410>us <00:32:01.585>some <00:32:01.760>idea <00:32:01.935>of <00:32:02.110>kind <00:32:02.285>of

748
00:32:02.965 --> 00:32:04.405
<00:32:02.965>what <00:32:03.181>projects <00:32:03.397>you're <00:32:03.612>gonna <00:32:03.829>be <00:32:04.045>focusing <00:32:04.261>on,

749
00:32:04.405 --> 00:32:06.325
<00:32:04.405>but, <00:32:04.560>um, <00:32:04.716>what's <00:32:04.871>the <00:32:05.027>big <00:32:05.182>goal <00:32:05.338>then <00:32:05.493>for <00:32:05.649>this <00:32:05.805>year?

750
00:32:07.265 --> 00:32:09.365
<00:32:07.265>One <00:32:07.440>of <00:32:07.615>the <00:32:07.790>big <00:32:07.965>goals <00:32:08.140>is <00:32:08.315>finishing <00:32:08.490>up, <00:32:08.665>um,

751
00:32:10.015 --> 00:32:11.365
<00:32:10.015>Laura, <00:32:10.622>launching <00:32:11.230>Laura.

752
00:32:11.585 --> 00:32:14.645
<00:32:11.585>That's <00:32:11.740>gonna <00:32:11.896>be, <00:32:12.051>I <00:32:12.207>would <00:32:12.362>say <00:32:12.518>Q3 <00:32:12.673>of <00:32:12.829>this <00:32:12.985>year.

753
00:32:14.995 --> 00:32:17.645
<00:32:14.995>Once <00:32:15.135>we're <00:32:15.274>done <00:32:15.415>fine <00:32:15.554>tuning, <00:32:15.695>once <00:32:15.834>we've <00:32:15.975>done <00:32:16.114>the <00:32:16.254>app, <00:32:16.395>uh,

754
00:32:17.645 --> 00:32:18.845
<00:32:17.645>once <00:32:17.860>we <00:32:18.077>did <00:32:18.293>some <00:32:18.509>user <00:32:18.725>testing,

755
00:32:18.985 --> 00:32:22.365
<00:32:18.985>we <00:32:19.125>are <00:32:19.264>obviously <00:32:19.405>gonna <00:32:19.544>leverage, <00:32:19.685>uh, <00:32:19.824>for <00:32:19.965>now <00:32:20.104>the <00:32:20.245>plan <00:32:20.385>is

756
00:32:22.365 --> 00:32:23.565
<00:32:22.365>to <00:32:22.545>launch <00:32:22.725>it <00:32:22.905>as <00:32:23.085>a <00:32:23.265>separate <00:32:23.445>app

757
00:32:24.065 --> 00:32:26.125
<00:32:24.065>and <00:32:24.240>we're <00:32:24.415>gonna <00:32:24.590>try <00:32:24.765>to <00:32:24.940>leverage <00:32:25.115>the <00:32:25.290>user <00:32:25.465>base

758
00:32:26.125 --> 00:32:28.685
<00:32:26.125>that <00:32:26.325>we <00:32:26.525>already <00:32:26.725>have <00:32:26.925>at <00:32:27.125>Oscar <00:32:27.325>in <00:32:27.525>general,

759
00:32:28.965 --> 00:32:31.405
<00:32:28.965>I <00:32:29.165>would <00:32:29.365>say <00:32:29.564>if <00:32:29.764>you, <00:32:29.965>in <00:32:30.165>very <00:32:30.365>brief,

760
00:32:32.265 --> 00:32:34.605
<00:32:32.265>to <00:32:32.545>steer <00:32:32.825>towards <00:32:33.105>more <00:32:33.385>educational <00:32:33.665>content

761
00:32:34.865 --> 00:32:38.285
<00:32:34.865>and <00:32:35.145>more <00:32:35.425>educational <00:32:35.705>space <00:32:35.985>in <00:32:36.265>2025.

762
00:32:39.155 --> 00:32:41.245
<00:32:39.155>Yeah. <00:32:39.310>And <00:32:39.466>we <00:32:39.621>also <00:32:39.777>got <00:32:39.932>a <00:32:40.088>slogan <00:32:40.243>for <00:32:40.399>this <00:32:40.555>year,

763
00:32:41.295 --> 00:32:42.885
<00:32:41.295>which <00:32:41.761>is <00:32:42.228>more <00:32:42.695>collaboration.

764
00:32:43.545 --> 00:32:47.485
<00:32:43.545>So, <00:32:43.720>uh, <00:32:43.895>we <00:32:44.070>were <00:32:44.245>actually <00:32:44.420>planning <00:32:44.595>on <00:32:44.770>talking <00:32:44.945>more

765
00:32:47.545 --> 00:32:50.685
<00:32:47.545>to <00:32:47.895>educational <00:32:48.245>institutions, <00:32:48.595>other <00:32:48.945>startups,

766
00:32:50.835 --> 00:32:53.685
<00:32:50.835>finding <00:32:51.185>some <00:32:51.535>novel <00:32:51.885>ideas, <00:32:52.235>uh,

767
00:32:53.685 --> 00:32:58.205
<00:32:53.685>because <00:32:53.825>we <00:32:53.965>also <00:32:54.105>realized <00:32:54.245>it <00:32:54.385>makes <00:32:54.524>no <00:32:54.665>sense <00:32:54.804>just <00:32:54.945>to <00:32:55.085>try

768
00:32:58.225 --> 00:32:59.645
<00:32:58.225>to <00:32:58.480>make <00:32:58.736>it <00:32:58.991>on <00:32:59.247>your <00:32:59.503>own

769
00:32:59.825 --> 00:33:03.525
<00:32:59.825>and <00:32:59.965>why <00:33:00.105>not <00:33:00.245>find <00:33:00.385>other <00:33:00.525>people <00:33:00.665>who <00:33:00.805>have <00:33:00.945>in <00:33:01.085>similar <00:33:01.225>space

770
00:33:03.825 --> 00:33:06.125
<00:33:03.825>and <00:33:04.105>have <00:33:04.385>some <00:33:04.665>fun <00:33:04.945>ideas <00:33:05.225>together.

771
00:33:06.865 --> 00:33:09.685
<00:33:06.865>And <00:33:07.020>yeah. <00:33:07.176>And <00:33:07.331>also <00:33:07.487>we <00:33:07.642>are <00:33:07.798>going <00:33:07.953>to <00:33:08.109>Asia <00:33:08.265>as,

772
00:33:09.745 --> 00:33:12.565
<00:33:09.745>as <00:33:09.885>we <00:33:10.024>said <00:33:10.165>previously, <00:33:10.304>so <00:33:10.445>yeah, <00:33:10.584>we'll <00:33:10.725>see <00:33:10.864>how <00:33:11.004>that <00:33:11.145>goes.

773
00:33:12.785 --> 00:33:13.785
<00:33:12.785>And <00:33:13.685>yeah,

774
00:33:15.055 --> 00:33:17.885
<00:33:15.055>It'll <00:33:15.195>be <00:33:15.335>interesting <00:33:15.475>to <00:33:15.615>see <00:33:15.755>what, <00:33:15.895>what <00:33:16.035>kind <00:33:16.175>of, <00:33:16.315>what <00:33:16.455>kind

775
00:33:17.885 --> 00:33:21.205
<00:33:17.885>of <00:33:18.025>ideal, <00:33:18.165>uh, <00:33:18.305>uh, <00:33:18.445>stories, <00:33:18.585>what, <00:33:18.725>what <00:33:18.865>the <00:33:19.004>difference <00:33:19.145>of <00:33:19.285>the,

776
00:33:21.225 --> 00:33:23.125
<00:33:21.225>uh, <00:33:21.425>of <00:33:21.625>the <00:33:21.824>stories <00:33:22.024>that, <00:33:22.225>that <00:33:22.425>are <00:33:22.625>there.

777
00:33:23.685 --> 00:33:26.365
<00:33:23.685>I <00:33:23.812>would <00:33:23.939>love <00:33:24.066>to <00:33:24.194>see <00:33:24.321>like <00:33:24.448>from <00:33:24.575>a, <00:33:24.703>from <00:33:24.830>a <00:33:24.957>linguistic <00:33:25.085>point

778
00:33:26.365 --> 00:33:29.085
<00:33:26.365>of <00:33:26.505>view, <00:33:26.645>like <00:33:26.785>what <00:33:26.925>people <00:33:27.065>create <00:33:27.205>in <00:33:27.345>Asia <00:33:27.485>compared <00:33:27.625>to <00:33:27.765>Europe.

779
00:33:29.355 --> 00:33:32.325
<00:33:29.355>There's <00:33:29.530>a <00:33:29.705>super <00:33:29.880>interesting <00:33:30.055>story <00:33:30.230>in <00:33:30.405>there <00:33:30.580>in <00:33:30.755>terms

780
00:33:32.325 --> 00:33:33.365
<00:33:32.325>of <00:33:33.261>technicalities.

781
00:33:33.605 --> 00:33:35.725
<00:33:33.605>I <00:33:33.745>mean, <00:33:33.885>we <00:33:34.025>have <00:33:34.165>a <00:33:34.305>technical <00:33:34.445>conference <00:33:34.585>coming <00:33:34.725>up <00:33:34.865>as <00:33:35.005>well.

782
00:33:36.545 --> 00:33:41.365
<00:33:36.545>Uh, <00:33:36.720>do <00:33:36.895>you <00:33:37.070>have <00:33:37.245>any, <00:33:37.420>uh, <00:33:37.595>any <00:33:37.770>idea <00:33:37.945>of

783
00:33:41.365 --> 00:33:44.285
<00:33:41.365>how <00:33:41.505>you <00:33:41.645>can <00:33:41.785>share <00:33:41.925>stories <00:33:42.065>behind <00:33:42.205>how <00:33:42.345>you <00:33:42.485>scaled <00:33:42.625>the <00:33:42.765>thing,

784
00:33:44.305 --> 00:33:46.005
<00:33:44.305>how <00:33:44.585>you <00:33:44.865>built <00:33:45.145>the <00:33:45.425>thing, <00:33:45.705>what,

785
00:33:46.035 --> 00:33:49.005
<00:33:46.035>what <00:33:46.175>developers <00:33:46.315>can <00:33:46.455>learn <00:33:46.595>from <00:33:46.735>your <00:33:46.875>story, <00:33:47.015>how, <00:33:47.155>if <00:33:47.295>they <00:33:47.435>want

786
00:33:49.005 --> 00:33:50.005
<00:33:49.005>to <00:33:49.185>get <00:33:49.365>started, <00:33:49.545>something <00:33:49.725>like <00:33:49.905>that?

787
00:33:50.005 --> 00:33:51.005
Started

788
00:33:52.175 --> 00:33:57.025
<00:33:52.175>Dima <00:33:52.282>and <00:33:52.390>me <00:33:52.498>did <00:33:52.605>a, <00:33:52.713>did <00:33:52.821>a, <00:33:52.928>uh, <00:33:53.036>talk <00:33:53.144>about, <00:33:53.251>uh, <00:33:53.359>bias <00:33:53.467>in <00:33:53.575>AI

789
00:33:57.205 --> 00:34:00.265
<00:33:57.205>and <00:33:57.379>how <00:33:57.554>we <00:33:57.730>and, <00:33:57.905>and, <00:33:58.080>uh, <00:33:58.254>child <00:33:58.429>appropriate <00:33:58.605>language

790
00:34:00.805 --> 00:34:04.145
<00:34:00.805>and <00:34:00.960>how <00:34:01.116>we <00:34:01.271>kind <00:34:01.427>of <00:34:01.582>focused <00:34:01.738>it <00:34:01.893>in <00:34:02.049>terms <00:34:02.205>of

791
00:34:05.375 --> 00:34:07.475
<00:34:05.375>bit <00:34:05.655>technical <00:34:05.935>and <00:34:06.215>also <00:34:06.495>in <00:34:06.775>terms

792
00:34:07.535 --> 00:34:11.265
<00:34:07.535>of <00:34:07.768>the <00:34:08.001>general <00:34:08.235>idea <00:34:08.468>with <00:34:08.701>Laura. <00:34:08.935>Alright,

793
00:34:11.455 --> 00:34:12.625
<00:34:11.455>Well <00:34:11.718>thank <00:34:11.981>you <00:34:12.244>very <00:34:12.507>much

794
00:34:12.705 --> 00:34:14.545
<00:34:12.705>for <00:34:12.938>joining <00:34:13.171>us <00:34:13.404>today, <00:34:13.638>Mathias <00:34:13.871>and <00:34:14.105>Dima.

795
00:34:14.565 --> 00:34:15.905
<00:34:14.565>Um, <00:34:14.806>good <00:34:15.047>luck <00:34:15.288>with <00:34:15.529>Oscar <00:34:15.771>stories

796
00:34:16.165 --> 00:34:17.705
<00:34:16.165>and <00:34:16.338>yeah, <00:34:16.511>I'm <00:34:16.684>sure <00:34:16.858>we'll <00:34:17.031>see <00:34:17.204>you <00:34:17.377>again <00:34:17.551>soon

797
00:34:18.855 --> 00:34:19.855
<00:34:18.855>For <00:34:19.304>having <00:34:19.755>us.

798
00:34:19.965 --> 00:34:23.235
<00:34:19.965>Thank <00:34:20.120>you <00:34:20.276>so <00:34:20.431>much. <00:34:20.587>Thank <00:34:20.742>you. <00:34:20.898>Bye. <00:34:21.053>Thank <00:34:21.209>you. <00:34:21.365>Bye.