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<00:15:45.585>we <00:15:45.767>don't <00:15:45.950>have <00:15:46.132>it <00:15:46.315>in <00:15:46.497>the <00:15:46.680>advocate <00:15:46.863>team,

380
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<00:15:47.005>but <00:15:47.239>in <00:15:47.473>the <00:15:47.707>engineering <00:15:47.940>team,

381
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<00:15:48.115>elastic <00:15:48.348>had <00:15:48.581>thing <00:15:48.815>called <00:15:49.048>space <00:15:49.281>time <00:15:49.515>weeks.

382
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<00:15:50.305>And <00:15:50.432>when <00:15:50.559>I <00:15:50.686>heard <00:15:50.814>about <00:15:50.941>it <00:15:51.068>I <00:15:51.195>thought <00:15:51.323>it <00:15:51.450>was <00:15:51.577>really <00:15:51.704>great.

383
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<00:15:52.865>But <00:15:53.175>as <00:15:53.486>advocates, <00:15:53.796>it's <00:15:54.107>kind

384
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<00:15:54.245>of <00:15:54.443>like <00:15:54.641>space <00:15:54.839>time <00:15:55.037>week <00:15:55.235>every <00:15:55.433>week.

385
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<00:15:56.345>Um, <00:15:56.461>but <00:15:56.578>the <00:15:56.695>idea <00:15:56.811>is <00:15:56.928>that <00:15:57.045>it's <00:15:57.161>a <00:15:57.278>week <00:15:57.395>where <00:15:57.511>you <00:15:57.628>can <00:15:57.745>tinker.

386
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<00:15:59.715>It's <00:15:59.960>not <00:16:00.205>the <00:16:00.450>usual <00:16:00.695>kind

387
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<00:16:00.805>of <00:16:01.084>structured <00:16:01.364>deliverables <00:16:01.645>for <00:16:01.925>the <00:16:02.204>sprint.

388
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<00:16:02.585>It <00:16:02.818>is <00:16:03.051>they <00:16:03.285>get <00:16:03.518>to <00:16:03.751>tinker <00:16:03.985>and,

389
00:16:04.465 --> 00:16:05.845
<00:16:04.465>and <00:16:04.713>kind <00:16:04.961>of <00:16:05.210>try <00:16:05.458>something <00:16:05.707>out

390
00:16:05.845 --> 00:16:08.565
<00:16:05.845>that <00:16:06.045>they <00:16:06.245>think <00:16:06.445>might <00:16:06.645>be <00:16:06.845>useful <00:16:07.045>or <00:16:07.245>beneficial.

391
00:16:09.345 --> 00:16:11.485
<00:16:09.345>Um, <00:16:09.545>and <00:16:09.745>I've <00:16:09.945>seen <00:16:10.145>like <00:16:10.345>some <00:16:10.545>really <00:16:10.745>cool

392
00:16:11.495 --> 00:16:12.845
<00:16:11.495>stuff <00:16:11.798>coming <00:16:12.102>out <00:16:12.406>of <00:16:12.710>it.

393
00:16:13.105 --> 00:16:16.165
<00:16:13.105>Um, <00:16:13.245>like <00:16:13.385>some <00:16:13.525>of <00:16:13.665>the <00:16:13.805>code <00:16:13.945>generation <00:16:14.085>stuff <00:16:14.225>that <00:16:14.365>are, <00:16:14.505>uh,

394
00:16:16.445 --> 00:16:18.845
<00:16:16.445>language <00:16:16.645>client <00:16:16.845>stuff, <00:16:17.045>language <00:16:17.245>client <00:16:17.445>team <00:16:17.645>had <00:16:17.845>done

395
00:16:19.315 --> 00:16:21.165
<00:16:19.315>that <00:16:19.515>all <00:16:19.715>kinda <00:16:19.915>came <00:16:20.115>from <00:16:20.315>one <00:16:20.515>of <00:16:20.715>those.

396
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<00:16:22.185>Um, <00:16:22.292>I <00:16:22.400>mean <00:16:22.508>when <00:16:22.615>I <00:16:22.723>was <00:16:22.831>an <00:16:22.938>engineer <00:16:23.046>years <00:16:23.154>ago, <00:16:23.261>I <00:16:23.369>used, <00:16:23.477>we <00:16:23.584>used

397
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<00:16:26.245>to <00:16:26.372>have <00:16:26.499>like <00:16:26.626>little, <00:16:26.754>we, <00:16:26.881>we <00:16:27.008>had <00:16:27.135>to <00:16:27.263>call <00:16:27.390>'em <00:16:27.517>hack <00:16:27.645>days.

398
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<00:16:28.865>We <00:16:29.042>couldn't <00:16:29.219>call, <00:16:29.396>we <00:16:29.573>couldn't <00:16:29.750>call <00:16:29.926>them.

399
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<00:16:30.055>Hackathons <00:16:30.405>will <00:16:30.755>not <00:16:31.104>go <00:16:31.454>there.

400
00:16:32.625 --> 00:16:36.085
<00:16:32.625>But <00:16:32.752>we <00:16:32.879>had <00:16:33.006>similar <00:16:33.134>ideas <00:16:33.261>where <00:16:33.388>every <00:16:33.515>two <00:16:33.643>weeks <00:16:33.770>we <00:16:33.897>would <00:16:34.025>work

401
00:16:36.305 --> 00:16:39.005
<00:16:36.305>or <00:16:36.444>yeah, <00:16:36.584>the <00:16:36.724>end <00:16:36.864>of <00:16:37.005>the <00:16:37.145>sprint <00:16:37.285>basically <00:16:37.425>we <00:16:37.564>would <00:16:37.704>get

402
00:16:39.005 --> 00:16:40.645
<00:16:39.005>that <00:16:39.285>chance <00:16:39.564>to <00:16:39.845>tinker <00:16:40.125>on <00:16:40.405>stuff

403
00:16:40.645 --> 00:16:42.445
<00:16:40.645>and <00:16:40.819>we <00:16:40.995>got <00:16:41.170>some <00:16:41.345>cool <00:16:41.520>stuff <00:16:41.694>out <00:16:41.870>of <00:16:42.045>it.

404
00:16:43.385 --> 00:16:46.805
<00:16:43.385>But <00:16:43.525>there <00:16:43.665>was <00:16:43.805>two <00:16:43.944>problems <00:16:44.085>over <00:16:44.225>time <00:16:44.365>that <00:16:44.505>it <00:16:44.645>emerged <00:16:44.785>as,

405
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<00:16:47.465>as <00:16:47.745>deadlines <00:16:48.025>started <00:16:48.305>to <00:16:48.585>kinda <00:16:48.865>crunch

406
00:16:49.945 --> 00:16:51.645
<00:16:49.945>and <00:16:50.225>people <00:16:50.505>started <00:16:50.785>to <00:16:51.065>feel <00:16:51.345>pressured,

407
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<00:16:52.035>they <00:16:52.385>would <00:16:52.735>skip <00:16:53.084>them <00:16:53.435>altogether.

408
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<00:16:54.165>'cause <00:16:54.477>it <00:16:54.789>wasn't <00:16:55.101>mandatory.

409
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<00:16:55.825>You <00:16:56.175>can't, <00:16:56.525>it's <00:16:56.875>really <00:16:57.225>difficult

410
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<00:16:57.605>to <00:16:57.780>make <00:16:57.955>a <00:16:58.130>hackathon <00:16:58.305>mandatory, <00:16:58.480>you <00:16:58.655>know, <00:16:58.830>it's <00:16:59.005>meant

411
00:17:00.525 --> 00:17:03.605
<00:17:00.525>to <00:17:00.665>be <00:17:00.805>fun, <00:17:00.944>but <00:17:01.084>people <00:17:01.225>would <00:17:01.365>just <00:17:01.505>kind <00:17:01.645>of <00:17:01.785>say, <00:17:01.925>no,

412
00:17:03.605 --> 00:17:05.845
<00:17:03.605>I've <00:17:03.732>got <00:17:03.859>too <00:17:03.986>much <00:17:04.114>on, <00:17:04.241>and <00:17:04.368>they <00:17:04.495>would <00:17:04.623>just <00:17:04.750>do <00:17:04.877>their <00:17:05.005>work

413
00:17:05.845 --> 00:17:08.165
<00:17:05.845>as <00:17:06.045>usual <00:17:06.245>and <00:17:06.444>then <00:17:06.645>people <00:17:06.845>start <00:17:07.045>teetering <00:17:07.245>off.

414
00:17:08.405 --> 00:17:10.085
<00:17:08.405>'cause <00:17:08.579>more <00:17:08.754>and <00:17:08.930>more <00:17:09.105>people <00:17:09.280>are <00:17:09.454>not <00:17:09.629>doing <00:17:09.805>it.

415
00:17:11.145 --> 00:17:13.685
<00:17:11.145>Um, <00:17:11.319>and <00:17:11.494>that <00:17:11.670>was <00:17:11.845>really <00:17:12.020>kinda <00:17:12.194>sad <00:17:12.369>to <00:17:12.545>see,

416
00:17:13.785 --> 00:17:15.965
<00:17:13.785>but <00:17:13.960>then <00:17:14.135>also <00:17:14.310>it <00:17:14.485>then <00:17:14.660>has <00:17:14.835>a <00:17:15.010>compounding <00:17:15.185>effect

417
00:17:15.965 --> 00:17:19.165
<00:17:15.964>because <00:17:16.165>other <00:17:16.365>teams <00:17:16.564>might <00:17:16.764>not <00:17:16.964>join <00:17:17.165>in <00:17:17.365>anymore

418
00:17:19.345 --> 00:17:20.365
<00:17:19.345>and <00:17:19.574>other <00:17:19.804>things <00:17:20.033>as <00:17:20.262>well.

419
00:17:21.065 --> 00:17:23.725
<00:17:21.065>So <00:17:21.192>you <00:17:21.319>need <00:17:21.446>to <00:17:21.574>make <00:17:21.701>sure <00:17:21.828>if <00:17:21.955>you're <00:17:22.083>wanting <00:17:22.210>to <00:17:22.337>do <00:17:22.465>this,

420
00:17:23.725 --> 00:17:25.685
<00:17:23.724>which <00:17:23.958>I <00:17:24.191>think <00:17:24.425>probably <00:17:24.658>companies <00:17:24.891>are <00:17:25.125>not,

421
00:17:25.685 --> 00:17:29.005
<00:17:25.685>they're <00:17:25.859>not <00:17:26.034>prioritizing <00:17:26.210>this <00:17:26.385>kind <00:17:26.560>of <00:17:26.734>free <00:17:26.909>flex <00:17:27.085>time

422
00:17:29.025 --> 00:17:30.325
<00:17:29.025>to <00:17:29.259>tinker <00:17:29.493>and <00:17:29.727>play <00:17:29.961>with <00:17:30.195>stuff.

423
00:17:30.985 --> 00:17:34.125
<00:17:30.985>And <00:17:31.264>you <00:17:31.544>need <00:17:31.824>that <00:17:32.104>because <00:17:32.385>I've

424
00:17:34.125 --> 00:17:35.165
<00:17:34.125>been <00:17:34.312>the <00:17:34.499>scrum <00:17:34.686>master <00:17:34.873>as <00:17:35.061>well.

425
00:17:35.225 --> 00:17:38.005
<00:17:35.225>And <00:17:35.380>it's <00:17:35.536>a <00:17:35.691>really <00:17:35.847>natural <00:17:36.002>thing <00:17:36.158>to <00:17:36.313>like <00:17:36.469>say, <00:17:36.625>oh,

426
00:17:38.135 --> 00:17:40.845
<00:17:38.135>we've <00:17:38.275>got <00:17:38.415>X <00:17:38.555>points <00:17:38.695>for <00:17:38.835>the <00:17:38.975>sprint, <00:17:39.115>so <00:17:39.254>we're <00:17:39.395>going <00:17:39.535>to,

427
00:17:41.145 --> 00:17:43.365
<00:17:41.145>you <00:17:41.345>know, <00:17:41.545>contribute <00:17:41.745>X <00:17:41.945>points <00:17:42.145>as <00:17:42.345>the <00:17:42.545>max

428
00:17:43.385 --> 00:17:45.285
<00:17:43.385>and <00:17:43.618>we <00:17:43.851>have <00:17:44.085>no <00:17:44.318>flex <00:17:44.551>for <00:17:44.785>engineers

429
00:17:45.285 --> 00:17:47.405
<00:17:45.285>and <00:17:45.460>we <00:17:45.635>don't <00:17:45.810>can <00:17:45.985>take <00:17:46.160>into <00:17:46.335>account <00:17:46.510>flex <00:17:46.685>time.

430
00:17:47.905 --> 00:17:49.685
<00:17:47.905>So <00:17:48.080>we <00:17:48.254>need <00:17:48.430>gaps. <00:17:48.605>And <00:17:48.780>if <00:17:48.955>that's <00:17:49.129>a <00:17:49.305>week

431
00:17:49.695 --> 00:17:51.485
<00:17:49.695>where <00:17:49.928>you <00:17:50.161>can <00:17:50.395>work <00:17:50.628>on <00:17:50.861>something <00:17:51.095>chunkier,

432
00:17:51.505 --> 00:17:53.965
<00:17:51.505>or <00:17:51.645>if <00:17:51.785>that's <00:17:51.925>a <00:17:52.065>day, <00:17:52.205>then <00:17:52.345>either <00:17:52.485>of <00:17:52.625>those <00:17:52.765>are <00:17:52.905>great,

433
00:17:54.025 --> 00:17:55.965
<00:17:54.025>but <00:17:54.165>you <00:17:54.305>need <00:17:54.445>to <00:17:54.585>make <00:17:54.725>sure <00:17:54.865>that <00:17:55.005>people <00:17:55.145>are <00:17:55.285>doing <00:17:55.425>them

434
00:17:55.965 --> 00:17:57.605
<00:17:55.965>regularly <00:17:56.245>and <00:17:56.524>that <00:17:56.804>you <00:17:57.084>support <00:17:57.365>it.

435
00:17:58.225 --> 00:17:59.605
<00:17:58.225>If <00:17:58.535>people <00:17:58.846>start <00:17:59.156>diving <00:17:59.467>away

436
00:17:59.605 --> 00:18:01.725
<00:17:59.605>because <00:17:59.760>of <00:17:59.916>deliverables, <00:18:00.071>then <00:18:00.227>you're <00:18:00.382>not <00:18:00.538>gonna <00:18:00.693>get <00:18:00.849>it <00:18:01.005>back.

437
00:18:02.395 --> 00:18:04.205
<00:18:02.395>What <00:18:02.570>I <00:18:02.745>found <00:18:02.920>as <00:18:03.095>well <00:18:03.270>is <00:18:03.445>getting <00:18:03.620>like, <00:18:03.795>uh,

438
00:18:04.275 --> 00:18:06.885
<00:18:04.275>ownership <00:18:04.508>from <00:18:04.741>management <00:18:04.975>to <00:18:05.208>say <00:18:05.441>like, <00:18:05.675>okay,

439
00:18:06.885 --> 00:18:09.165
<00:18:06.885>like <00:18:07.118>people <00:18:07.351>give <00:18:07.585>out <00:18:07.818>prices <00:18:08.051>or, <00:18:08.285>or,

440
00:18:09.225 --> 00:18:12.165
<00:18:09.225>or, <00:18:09.399>uh, <00:18:09.574>the, <00:18:09.750>the, <00:18:09.925>the <00:18:10.100>leadership <00:18:10.274>is <00:18:10.449>also <00:18:10.625>part

441
00:18:12.165 --> 00:18:14.565
<00:18:12.165>of <00:18:12.292>the <00:18:12.419>hackathon <00:18:12.546>or <00:18:12.674>DT <00:18:12.801>hack <00:18:12.928>day <00:18:13.055>at <00:18:13.183>the <00:18:13.310>end <00:18:13.437>of <00:18:13.565>it.

442
00:18:15.145 --> 00:18:16.725
<00:18:15.145>Or <00:18:15.495>partnering <00:18:15.845>with <00:18:16.195>other <00:18:16.545>departments.

443
00:18:16.785 --> 00:18:17.845
<00:18:16.785>Get <00:18:17.023>get <00:18:17.262>a <00:18:17.500>product <00:18:17.739>manager

444
00:18:17.985 --> 00:18:19.805
<00:18:17.985>and <00:18:18.218>get <00:18:18.451>like <00:18:18.685>a <00:18:18.918>marketing <00:18:19.151>manager <00:18:19.385>in

445
00:18:19.805 --> 00:18:21.405
<00:18:19.805>and <00:18:20.085>say <00:18:20.365>like, <00:18:20.645>okay, <00:18:20.925>here's, <00:18:21.205>here's

446
00:18:21.405 --> 00:18:23.605
<00:18:21.405>what <00:18:21.638>happens <00:18:21.871>when <00:18:22.105>you <00:18:22.338>don't <00:18:22.571>micromanage <00:18:22.805>developers

447
00:18:23.605 --> 00:18:25.085
<00:18:23.605>and <00:18:23.795>just <00:18:23.985>let <00:18:24.175>them <00:18:24.366>do <00:18:24.556>whatever <00:18:24.746>they <00:18:24.937>want.

448
00:18:25.475 --> 00:18:27.205
<00:18:25.475>That <00:18:25.754>that's <00:18:26.034>the <00:18:26.314>outcome <00:18:26.594>of <00:18:26.875>it.

449
00:18:27.745 --> 00:18:29.765
<00:18:27.745>The, <00:18:27.978>uh, <00:18:28.211>a <00:18:28.445>frustrating <00:18:28.678>point <00:18:28.911>as <00:18:29.145>well

450
00:18:29.765 --> 00:18:32.445
<00:18:29.765>that <00:18:29.905>I <00:18:30.045>found <00:18:30.185>when <00:18:30.325>people <00:18:30.465>didn't <00:18:30.605>take <00:18:30.745>part <00:18:30.885>anymore <00:18:31.025>was <00:18:31.165>when

451
00:18:32.445 --> 00:18:35.525
<00:18:32.445>the <00:18:32.725>outcome <00:18:33.004>was <00:18:33.284>never <00:18:33.564>taken <00:18:33.845>seriously.

452
00:18:35.665 --> 00:18:37.445
<00:18:35.665>You <00:18:35.865>know, <00:18:36.065>like <00:18:36.264>it <00:18:36.465>was <00:18:36.665>either <00:18:36.865>like, <00:18:37.065>okay,

453
00:18:37.445 --> 00:18:38.805
<00:18:37.445>that <00:18:37.689>was <00:18:37.934>a <00:18:38.179>toy <00:18:38.424>product, <00:18:38.669>great.

454
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<00:18:39.105>We <00:18:39.232>had <00:18:39.359>a <00:18:39.486>few <00:18:39.614>features <00:18:39.741>that <00:18:39.868>came <00:18:39.995>out <00:18:40.123>of <00:18:40.250>hackathons <00:18:40.377>in <00:18:40.505>Yahoo

455
00:18:41.865 --> 00:18:43.805
<00:18:41.865>and <00:18:42.098>then <00:18:42.331>Microsoft <00:18:42.565>and <00:18:42.798>Mozilla <00:18:43.031>as <00:18:43.265>well.

456
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<00:18:44.225>But <00:18:44.380>like <00:18:44.536>oftentimes <00:18:44.691>it's <00:18:44.847>just <00:18:45.002>about <00:18:45.158>like, <00:18:45.313>here's <00:18:45.469>your <00:18:45.625>price

457
00:18:47.385 --> 00:18:49.885
<00:18:47.385>and <00:18:47.585>then <00:18:47.785>you <00:18:47.985>have <00:18:48.185>like <00:18:48.385>three <00:18:48.585>plastic <00:18:48.785>things

458
00:18:49.905 --> 00:18:51.085
<00:18:49.905>on <00:18:50.117>your <00:18:50.329>desk <00:18:50.542>and <00:18:50.754>that's <00:18:50.967>it.

459
00:18:51.705 --> 00:18:55.485
<00:18:51.705>So <00:18:51.832>the, <00:18:51.959>the <00:18:52.086>like <00:18:52.214>the, <00:18:52.341>the <00:18:52.468>what <00:18:52.595>came <00:18:52.723>out <00:18:52.850>of <00:18:52.977>it, <00:18:53.105>it's,

460
00:18:55.485 --> 00:18:57.525
<00:18:55.485>it's <00:18:55.659>quite <00:18:55.834>a, <00:18:56.010>uh, <00:18:56.185>it's <00:18:56.360>quite <00:18:56.534>an <00:18:56.709>interesting <00:18:56.885>step.

461
00:18:57.525 --> 00:18:59.765
<00:18:57.525>You <00:18:57.758>don't <00:18:57.991>want <00:18:58.225>to <00:18:58.458>organize <00:18:58.691>a <00:18:58.925>hackathon

462
00:18:59.765 --> 00:19:02.485
<00:18:59.765>or <00:18:59.920>give <00:19:00.076>it <00:19:00.231>like <00:19:00.387>prices <00:19:00.542>or <00:19:00.698>give <00:19:00.853>it <00:19:01.009>like <00:19:01.165>goals,

463
00:19:02.905 --> 00:19:04.805
<00:19:02.905>but <00:19:03.080>at <00:19:03.254>the <00:19:03.430>same <00:19:03.605>time <00:19:03.780>you <00:19:03.955>wanna <00:19:04.129>make <00:19:04.305>sure

464
00:19:04.805 --> 00:19:06.805
<00:19:04.805>that <00:19:04.980>people <00:19:05.155>just <00:19:05.330>don't <00:19:05.505>see <00:19:05.680>it <00:19:05.855>as <00:19:06.030>something <00:19:06.205>that

465
00:19:07.425 --> 00:19:09.285
<00:19:07.425>can <00:19:07.600>be <00:19:07.774>skipped <00:19:07.950>because <00:19:08.125>there's <00:19:08.300>no <00:19:08.475>point <00:19:08.649>to <00:19:08.825>it.

466
00:19:09.835 --> 00:19:11.205
<00:19:09.835>Yeah, <00:19:10.040>exactly. <00:19:10.246>You <00:19:10.451>need <00:19:10.657>to <00:19:10.862>make <00:19:11.068>sure

467
00:19:11.205 --> 00:19:13.045
<00:19:11.205>that <00:19:11.485>it's <00:19:11.764>not <00:19:12.044>something <00:19:12.324>that's <00:19:12.605>skippable.

468
00:19:13.825 --> 00:19:15.965
<00:19:13.825>Um, <00:19:14.000>so <00:19:14.175>yeah, <00:19:14.350>I <00:19:14.525>would <00:19:14.700>agree <00:19:14.875>with <00:19:15.050>that. <00:19:15.225>Absolutely.

469
00:19:16.145 --> 00:19:18.085
<00:19:16.145>We <00:19:16.378>never <00:19:16.611>did, <00:19:16.845>when <00:19:17.078>I <00:19:17.311>did <00:19:17.545>hackathons

470
00:19:18.085 --> 00:19:19.245
<00:19:18.085>before, <00:19:18.346>we <00:19:18.607>never <00:19:18.868>did <00:19:19.129>prizes.

471
00:19:19.245 --> 00:19:20.525
<00:19:19.245>The <00:19:19.475>thing <00:19:19.705>was <00:19:19.936>bringing <00:19:20.166>in <00:19:20.397>pizza

472
00:19:20.955 --> 00:19:22.765
<00:19:20.955>that <00:19:21.155>was <00:19:21.355>considered <00:19:21.554>to <00:19:21.754>be <00:19:21.955>a <00:19:22.155>big <00:19:22.355>thing.

473
00:19:23.425 --> 00:19:25.685
<00:19:23.425>Um, <00:19:23.580>I, <00:19:23.736>I <00:19:23.891>dunno <00:19:24.047>if <00:19:24.202>you're <00:19:24.358>going <00:19:24.513>to <00:19:24.669>look <00:19:24.825>certainly

474
00:19:25.685 --> 00:19:27.325
<00:19:25.685>as <00:19:25.918>a <00:19:26.151>developer <00:19:26.385>advocate, <00:19:26.618>there <00:19:26.851>are <00:19:27.085>times

475
00:19:27.325 --> 00:19:28.685
<00:19:27.325>where <00:19:27.499>I'm <00:19:27.674>a <00:19:27.849>little <00:19:28.024>bit <00:19:28.199>sick <00:19:28.374>of <00:19:28.549>pizza.

476
00:19:28.965 --> 00:19:31.285
<00:19:28.965>'cause <00:19:29.120>that's <00:19:29.276>normally <00:19:29.431>like <00:19:29.587>the <00:19:29.742>food <00:19:29.898>of <00:19:30.053>choice <00:19:30.209>for <00:19:30.365>meetups.

477
00:19:32.105 --> 00:19:34.445
<00:19:32.105>Um, <00:19:32.280>I <00:19:32.455>have, <00:19:32.630>it <00:19:32.805>depends <00:19:32.980>on <00:19:33.155>my <00:19:33.330>busy <00:19:33.505>time.

478
00:19:35.105 --> 00:19:37.085
<00:19:35.105>But <00:19:35.338>yeah, <00:19:35.571>that <00:19:35.805>was <00:19:36.038>considered <00:19:36.271>the <00:19:36.505>reward.

479
00:19:37.085 --> 00:19:38.645
<00:19:37.085>But <00:19:37.365>in <00:19:37.645>reality, <00:19:37.925>I <00:19:38.205>don't <00:19:38.485>think

480
00:19:38.645 --> 00:19:39.965
<00:19:38.645>that <00:19:38.882>was <00:19:39.120>maybe <00:19:39.357>a <00:19:39.595>good <00:19:39.832>incentive.

481
00:19:40.225 --> 00:19:42.765
<00:19:40.225>You <00:19:40.380>know, <00:19:40.536>the, <00:19:40.691>the <00:19:40.847>singing <00:19:41.002>this <00:19:41.158>kinda <00:19:41.313>making <00:19:41.469>a <00:19:41.625>song

482
00:19:42.765 --> 00:19:44.165
<00:19:42.765>and <00:19:42.975>dance <00:19:43.185>when <00:19:43.395>it <00:19:43.605>gets <00:19:43.815>to <00:19:44.025>production

483
00:19:44.165 --> 00:19:45.325
<00:19:44.165>is <00:19:44.373>probably <00:19:44.582>part <00:19:44.791>of <00:19:45.000>it <00:19:45.209>too.

484
00:19:45.425 --> 00:19:48.525
<00:19:45.425>You <00:19:45.580>know, <00:19:45.736>that <00:19:45.891>incentive <00:19:46.047>to <00:19:46.202>make <00:19:46.358>people <00:19:46.513>continue <00:19:46.669>with <00:19:46.825>it

485
00:19:48.945 --> 00:19:50.565
<00:19:48.945>and <00:19:49.225>then <00:19:49.504>make <00:19:49.784>sure <00:19:50.064>it's <00:19:50.345>integrated,

486
00:19:50.655 --> 00:19:51.965
<00:19:50.655>which <00:19:50.890>is <00:19:51.126>probably <00:19:51.362>missing <00:19:51.598>as <00:19:51.833>well.

487
00:19:52.885 --> 00:19:55.205
<00:19:52.885>Hmm. <00:19:53.118>I <00:19:53.351>mean <00:19:53.585>the, <00:19:53.818>the <00:19:54.051>recognition <00:19:54.285>stuff

488
00:19:55.205 --> 00:19:56.325
<00:19:55.205>that <00:19:55.406>you <00:19:55.608>did <00:19:55.809>in <00:19:56.011>the <00:19:56.213>images,

489
00:19:56.395 --> 00:19:58.925
<00:19:56.395>what <00:19:56.570>I <00:19:56.745>found <00:19:56.920>really <00:19:57.095>interesting <00:19:57.270>is, <00:19:57.445>again, <00:19:57.620>coming <00:19:57.795>back

490
00:19:58.925 --> 00:20:01.405
<00:19:58.925>to <00:19:59.100>trust <00:19:59.274>and <00:19:59.450>coming <00:19:59.625>back <00:19:59.800>to <00:19:59.975>like, <00:20:00.149>here <00:20:00.325>is

491
00:20:01.405 --> 00:20:03.005
<00:20:01.405>what <00:20:01.871>machines <00:20:02.338>don't <00:20:02.805>recognize.

492
00:20:03.005 --> 00:20:04.525
<00:20:03.005>Here's <00:20:03.461>what <00:20:03.917>machines <00:20:04.373>recognize.

493
00:20:04.685 --> 00:20:05.965
<00:20:04.685>I <00:20:04.915>mean <00:20:05.145>there's <00:20:05.376>the <00:20:05.606>cinnamon <00:20:05.837>roll

494
00:20:06.065 --> 00:20:09.205
<00:20:06.065>or, <00:20:06.240>uh, <00:20:06.415>Chihuahua <00:20:06.590>example <00:20:06.765>on <00:20:06.940>these <00:20:07.115>kind <00:20:07.290>of <00:20:07.465>things.

495
00:20:09.265 --> 00:20:12.445
<00:20:09.265>So <00:20:09.420>basically, <00:20:09.576>or <00:20:09.731>I <00:20:09.887>remember <00:20:10.042>when <00:20:10.198>there <00:20:10.353>was <00:20:10.509>nudity <00:20:10.665>filters

496
00:20:12.445 --> 00:20:14.365
<00:20:12.445>that <00:20:12.645>people <00:20:12.845>wanted <00:20:13.044>to <00:20:13.245>write <00:20:13.445>with <00:20:13.645>machine <00:20:13.845>learning

497
00:20:14.425 --> 00:20:17.605
<00:20:14.425>and <00:20:14.600>it <00:20:14.774>actually <00:20:14.950>found <00:20:15.125>sand <00:20:15.300>dunes <00:20:15.475>were <00:20:15.649>actually <00:20:15.825>the

498
00:20:17.605 --> 00:20:18.765
<00:20:17.605>same <00:20:17.953>kind <00:20:18.301>of <00:20:18.649>image.

499
00:20:18.985 --> 00:20:22.325
<00:20:18.985>Mm-hmm. <00:20:19.140>So, <00:20:19.296>so <00:20:19.451>there <00:20:19.607>was <00:20:19.762>a <00:20:19.918>joke <00:20:20.073>about <00:20:20.229>scent <00:20:20.385>dunes,

500
00:20:22.325 --> 00:20:23.445
<00:20:22.325>but <00:20:22.526>that <00:20:22.728>was <00:20:22.929>a <00:20:23.131>different <00:20:23.332>thing.

501
00:20:24.225 --> 00:20:27.525
<00:20:24.225>But, <00:20:24.380>uh, <00:20:24.536>it's <00:20:24.691>interesting <00:20:24.847>to <00:20:25.002>see <00:20:25.158>that <00:20:25.313>there's <00:20:25.469>a <00:20:25.625>lot

502
00:20:27.525 --> 00:20:30.485
<00:20:27.525>of <00:20:27.652>trust <00:20:27.779>in <00:20:27.906>these <00:20:28.034>things <00:20:28.161>these <00:20:28.288>days <00:20:28.415>that <00:20:28.543>we <00:20:28.670>say <00:20:28.797>like, <00:20:28.925>okay,

503
00:20:30.485 --> 00:20:32.125
<00:20:30.485>the <00:20:30.718>machine <00:20:30.951>will <00:20:31.185>classify <00:20:31.418>it <00:20:31.651>for <00:20:31.885>us

504
00:20:32.305 --> 00:20:34.005
<00:20:32.305>and <00:20:32.585>we <00:20:32.865>still <00:20:33.145>got <00:20:33.425>it <00:20:33.705>there.

505
00:20:34.025 --> 00:20:36.885
<00:20:34.025>So <00:20:34.258>I <00:20:34.491>like <00:20:34.725>your <00:20:34.958>reminder <00:20:35.191>of <00:20:35.425>like,

506
00:20:36.995 --> 00:20:38.605
<00:20:36.995>here <00:20:37.195>is <00:20:37.395>when <00:20:37.594>you <00:20:37.794>don't <00:20:37.995>have <00:20:38.195>enough <00:20:38.395>data

507
00:20:38.705 --> 00:20:41.565
<00:20:38.705>or <00:20:38.845>you <00:20:38.985>didn't <00:20:39.125>give <00:20:39.264>enough <00:20:39.405>uh, <00:20:39.544>uh, <00:20:39.685>uh, <00:20:39.824>effort <00:20:39.965>into <00:20:40.105>it.

508
00:20:41.835 --> 00:20:43.725
<00:20:41.835>There's <00:20:42.068>a <00:20:42.301>lot <00:20:42.535>of <00:20:42.768>like <00:20:43.001>false <00:20:43.235>positives.

509
00:20:43.905 --> 00:20:46.565
<00:20:43.905>And <00:20:44.105>I <00:20:44.305>think <00:20:44.504>image <00:20:44.705>recognition <00:20:44.905>is <00:20:45.105>one <00:20:45.305>thing.

510
00:20:46.975 --> 00:20:49.005
<00:20:46.975>Voice <00:20:47.254>recognition <00:20:47.534>is <00:20:47.814>another <00:20:48.094>big <00:20:48.375>one.

511
00:20:49.125 --> 00:20:50.765
<00:20:49.125>I <00:20:49.358>mean, <00:20:49.591>there's <00:20:49.825>the <00:20:50.058>old <00:20:50.291>Afghanistan <00:20:50.525>joke

512
00:20:50.795 --> 00:20:53.085
<00:20:50.795>with <00:20:50.950>the <00:20:51.106>two <00:20:51.261>Scottish <00:20:51.417>guys <00:20:51.572>getting <00:20:51.728>stuck <00:20:51.883>in <00:20:52.039>a <00:20:52.195>lift

513
00:20:53.085 --> 00:20:56.085
<00:20:53.085>because <00:20:53.260>it <00:20:53.435>didn't <00:20:53.610>recognize <00:20:53.785>what <00:20:53.960>the <00:20:54.135>next <00:20:54.310>floor <00:20:54.485>was.

514
00:20:57.025 --> 00:21:01.655
<00:20:57.025>So <00:20:57.152>I <00:20:57.279>think <00:20:57.406>there's <00:20:57.534>a <00:20:57.661>lot <00:20:57.788>of <00:20:57.915>like, <00:20:58.043>uh, <00:20:58.170>it <00:20:58.297>helps <00:20:58.425>playing

515
00:21:01.655 --> 00:21:05.535
<00:21:01.655>with <00:21:01.830>these <00:21:02.004>things <00:21:02.180>to <00:21:02.355>get, <00:21:02.530>uh, <00:21:02.705>uh, <00:21:02.879>healthy, <00:21:03.055>uh,

516
00:21:06.615 --> 00:21:08.975
<00:21:06.615>a <00:21:06.815>healthy <00:21:07.015>scare <00:21:07.215>of <00:21:07.415>it <00:21:07.615>to <00:21:07.815>a <00:21:08.015>degree.

517
00:21:09.655 --> 00:21:12.575
<00:21:09.655>'cause <00:21:09.830>people <00:21:10.004>trust <00:21:10.180>just <00:21:10.355>hear <00:21:10.530>AI <00:21:10.705>and <00:21:10.879>trust <00:21:11.055>it

518
00:21:12.715 --> 00:21:16.575
<00:21:12.715>and <00:21:12.831>it <00:21:12.948>feels <00:21:13.064>like, <00:21:13.181>uh, <00:21:13.298>uh, <00:21:13.415>we're <00:21:13.531>not <00:21:13.648>quite <00:21:13.764>there <00:21:13.881>yet <00:21:13.998>at <00:21:14.115>all.

519
00:21:17.005 --> 00:21:19.415
<00:21:17.005>What <00:21:17.160>I <00:21:17.316>found <00:21:17.471>interesting <00:21:17.627>is <00:21:17.782>that <00:21:17.938>I <00:21:18.093>talked <00:21:18.249>with, <00:21:18.405>uh,

520
00:21:19.525 --> 00:21:21.175
<00:21:19.525>last <00:21:19.805>week <00:21:20.085>we <00:21:20.365>had <00:21:20.645>uh, <00:21:20.925>uh,

521
00:21:21.175 --> 00:21:24.695
<00:21:21.175>Thomas <00:21:21.350>Steiner <00:21:21.524>here <00:21:21.700>basically <00:21:21.875>now <00:21:22.050>has <00:21:22.225>the <00:21:22.399>whole <00:21:22.575>Google

522
00:21:24.915 --> 00:21:26.335
<00:21:24.915>Gemini <00:21:25.341>on <00:21:25.767>device <00:21:26.193>stuff.

523
00:21:26.795 --> 00:21:29.255
<00:21:26.795>So <00:21:26.950>that <00:21:27.106>will <00:21:27.261>probably <00:21:27.417>help <00:21:27.572>with <00:21:27.728>your <00:21:27.883>thing <00:21:28.039>as <00:21:28.195>well

524
00:21:29.355 --> 00:21:32.375
<00:21:29.355>to <00:21:29.495>actually <00:21:29.635>not <00:21:29.775>have <00:21:29.915>to <00:21:30.055>use <00:21:30.195>TensorFlow <00:21:30.335>js <00:21:30.475>as <00:21:30.615>an <00:21:30.755>in-between.

525
00:21:32.725 --> 00:21:35.055
<00:21:32.725>Yeah. <00:21:32.865>So <00:21:33.004>it <00:21:33.145>will <00:21:33.284>be <00:21:33.425>interesting <00:21:33.564>to <00:21:33.705>see <00:21:33.844>where <00:21:33.985>that <00:21:34.125>goes.

526
00:21:35.685 --> 00:21:37.495
<00:21:35.685>Yeah, <00:21:35.860>I <00:21:36.034>might <00:21:36.210>need <00:21:36.385>to <00:21:36.560>play <00:21:36.735>with <00:21:36.909>that <00:21:37.085>actually.

527
00:21:37.575 --> 00:21:38.935
<00:21:37.575>I <00:21:37.779>haven't <00:21:37.983>done <00:21:38.187>much <00:21:38.391>play <00:21:38.595>with <00:21:38.799>Gemini.

528
00:21:38.935 --> 00:21:40.255
<00:21:38.935>I <00:21:39.133>mean, <00:21:39.331>I've <00:21:39.529>got <00:21:39.727>an <00:21:39.925>Android <00:21:40.123>phone,

529
00:21:40.395 --> 00:21:42.575
<00:21:40.395>but <00:21:40.595>aside <00:21:40.795>from <00:21:40.995>asking <00:21:41.195>it <00:21:41.395>really <00:21:41.595>basic <00:21:41.795>things,

530
00:21:42.685 --> 00:21:44.655
<00:21:42.685>I've <00:21:42.965>not <00:21:43.245>done <00:21:43.524>anything <00:21:43.804>super <00:21:44.085>exciting.

531
00:21:45.675 --> 00:21:48.575
<00:21:45.675>Um, <00:21:45.875>so <00:21:46.075>yeah, <00:21:46.274>certainly <00:21:46.475>thinking <00:21:46.675>about <00:21:46.875>other <00:21:47.075>models

532
00:21:48.725 --> 00:21:51.135
<00:21:48.725>that <00:21:48.899>potentially <00:21:49.074>could <00:21:49.250>be <00:21:49.425>leveraged <00:21:49.600>to <00:21:49.774>find <00:21:49.949>the <00:21:50.125>cake

533
00:21:51.135 --> 00:21:53.535
<00:21:51.135>or <00:21:51.310>not <00:21:51.485>is <00:21:51.660>something <00:21:51.835>I <00:21:52.010>should <00:21:52.185>probably <00:21:52.360>explore <00:21:52.535>next.

534
00:21:54.255 --> 00:21:55.775
<00:21:54.255>I <00:21:54.450>mean, <00:21:54.645>your <00:21:54.841>point <00:21:55.036>on <00:21:55.232>kind <00:21:55.427>of <00:21:55.623>trust

535
00:21:55.775 --> 00:21:57.055
<00:21:55.775>of <00:21:56.005>these <00:21:56.235>models <00:21:56.466>is <00:21:56.696>really <00:21:56.927>fair.

536
00:21:57.775 --> 00:21:59.095
<00:21:57.775>'cause <00:21:58.012>I <00:21:58.250>know <00:21:58.487>in <00:21:58.725>hugging <00:21:58.963>face

537
00:21:59.195 --> 00:22:02.095
<00:21:59.195>and <00:21:59.370>other <00:21:59.544>portals <00:21:59.720>you <00:21:59.895>tend <00:22:00.070>to <00:22:00.245>have <00:22:00.419>this <00:22:00.595>notion

538
00:22:02.095 --> 00:22:04.695
<00:22:02.095>of <00:22:02.222>a <00:22:02.349>model <00:22:02.476>card <00:22:02.604>and <00:22:02.731>it's <00:22:02.858>meant <00:22:02.985>to <00:22:03.113>give <00:22:03.240>you <00:22:03.367>information <00:22:03.495>of

539
00:22:05.435 --> 00:22:06.735
<00:22:05.435>not <00:22:05.824>just <00:22:06.215>licensing <00:22:06.605>terms,

540
00:22:06.915 --> 00:22:09.895
<00:22:06.915>but <00:22:07.055>things <00:22:07.195>around, <00:22:07.335>you <00:22:07.475>know, <00:22:07.615>details <00:22:07.754>of <00:22:07.895>how <00:22:08.034>it <00:22:08.175>was <00:22:08.315>trained,

541
00:22:10.035 --> 00:22:12.255
<00:22:10.035>any <00:22:10.268>known <00:22:10.501>limitations <00:22:10.735>and <00:22:10.968>things <00:22:11.201>like <00:22:11.435>that.

542
00:22:12.915 --> 00:22:15.255
<00:22:12.915>But <00:22:13.055>sometimes <00:22:13.195>when <00:22:13.335>I <00:22:13.475>dig <00:22:13.615>into <00:22:13.754>some <00:22:13.895>of <00:22:14.034>the <00:22:14.175>model <00:22:14.315>cards,

543
00:22:15.315 --> 00:22:17.375
<00:22:15.315>if <00:22:15.470>I'm <00:22:15.626>wanting <00:22:15.781>to <00:22:15.937>try <00:22:16.092>and <00:22:16.248>play <00:22:16.403>with <00:22:16.559>certain <00:22:16.715>models,

544
00:22:17.375 --> 00:22:20.335
<00:22:17.375>either <00:22:17.575>they're <00:22:17.775>not <00:22:17.975>there <00:22:18.175>or <00:22:18.375>quite <00:22:18.575>often <00:22:18.775>they're

545
00:22:20.335 --> 00:22:21.815
<00:22:20.335>missing <00:22:21.001>key <00:22:21.667>information.

546
00:22:22.445 --> 00:22:26.055
<00:22:22.445>There's, <00:22:22.600>there <00:22:22.756>feels <00:22:22.911>to <00:22:23.067>me <00:22:23.222>a <00:22:23.378>kind <00:22:23.533>of <00:22:23.689>mismatch <00:22:23.845>balance

547
00:22:26.055 --> 00:22:27.695
<00:22:26.055>between <00:22:26.755>being <00:22:27.455>transparent

548
00:22:28.595 --> 00:22:31.215
<00:22:28.595>and <00:22:28.735>trying <00:22:28.875>to <00:22:29.015>keep <00:22:29.155>as <00:22:29.295>much <00:22:29.435>information <00:22:29.575>as <00:22:29.715>close <00:22:29.855>as <00:22:29.995>possible,

549
00:22:31.215 --> 00:22:32.975
<00:22:31.215>most <00:22:31.564>likely <00:22:31.915>for <00:22:32.264>kinda <00:22:32.615>competition

550
00:22:32.975 --> 00:22:34.175
<00:22:32.975>reasons, <00:22:33.335>which <00:22:33.695>is <00:22:34.054>understandable.

551
00:22:35.035 --> 00:22:36.935
<00:22:35.035>But <00:22:35.190>at <00:22:35.346>the <00:22:35.501>same <00:22:35.657>point <00:22:35.812>I <00:22:35.968>find, <00:22:36.123>you <00:22:36.279>know, <00:22:36.435>trying

552
00:22:36.935 --> 00:22:38.215
<00:22:36.935>to <00:22:37.223>build <00:22:37.511>something <00:22:37.799>with <00:22:38.087>AI

553
00:22:38.215 --> 00:22:41.175
<00:22:38.215>and <00:22:38.355>I <00:22:38.495>want <00:22:38.635>to <00:22:38.774>kind <00:22:38.915>of <00:22:39.054>identify <00:22:39.195>if <00:22:39.334>there's <00:22:39.475>potential <00:22:39.615>biases

554
00:22:41.395 --> 00:22:43.335
<00:22:41.395>or <00:22:41.675>limitations <00:22:41.955>caused <00:22:42.235>by <00:22:42.514>the <00:22:42.795>dataset.

555
00:22:43.665 --> 00:22:44.815
<00:22:43.665>Quite <00:22:43.837>often <00:22:44.010>when <00:22:44.182>I <00:22:44.355>look <00:22:44.527>at <00:22:44.700>some

556
00:22:44.815 --> 00:22:46.455
<00:22:44.815>of <00:22:45.015>these <00:22:45.215>model <00:22:45.415>cards, <00:22:45.615>I'm <00:22:45.815>not <00:22:46.015>seeing <00:22:46.215>that.

557
00:22:46.595 --> 00:22:49.295
<00:22:46.595>So <00:22:46.750>that's <00:22:46.906>something <00:22:47.061>that <00:22:47.217>I <00:22:47.372>wonder <00:22:47.528>if <00:22:47.683>need <00:22:47.839>that <00:22:47.995>needs

558
00:22:49.295 --> 00:22:50.655
<00:22:49.295>to <00:22:49.601>be <00:22:49.907>changed <00:22:50.213>and <00:22:50.519>standardized

559
00:22:50.655 --> 00:22:52.695
<00:22:50.655>and <00:22:50.795>evolved <00:22:50.935>that <00:22:51.075>we <00:22:51.215>need <00:22:51.355>to <00:22:51.495>be <00:22:51.635>a <00:22:51.774>bit <00:22:51.915>more <00:22:52.055>transparent

560
00:22:52.695 --> 00:22:56.375
<00:22:52.695>with <00:22:52.850>the <00:22:53.006>dataset <00:22:53.161>choices <00:22:53.317>and <00:22:53.472>how <00:22:53.628>we <00:22:53.783>make <00:22:53.939>that <00:22:54.095>clear.

561
00:22:56.595 --> 00:22:58.095
<00:22:56.595>So <00:22:56.820>yeah, <00:22:57.045>it's <00:22:57.270>a <00:22:57.495>very <00:22:57.720>fair <00:22:57.945>point.

562
00:22:59.195 --> 00:23:01.215
<00:22:59.195>It <00:22:59.475>feels <00:22:59.754>like <00:23:00.034>a <00:23:00.314>missed <00:23:00.595>opportunity

563
00:23:01.435 --> 00:23:03.855
<00:23:01.435>or <00:23:01.575>like, <00:23:01.715>uh, <00:23:01.855>I <00:23:01.995>mean <00:23:02.135>I <00:23:02.274>predicted <00:23:02.415>that <00:23:02.554>it <00:23:02.695>wouldn't <00:23:02.835>work

564
00:23:05.535 --> 00:23:07.495
<00:23:05.535>m <00:23:05.710>about <00:23:05.885>this <00:23:06.060>'cause <00:23:06.235>we, <00:23:06.410>we, <00:23:06.585>we <00:23:06.760>came <00:23:06.935>up

565
00:23:07.495 --> 00:23:09.695
<00:23:07.495>with <00:23:07.695>the <00:23:07.895>whole <00:23:08.094>idea <00:23:08.294>we're <00:23:08.495>gonna <00:23:08.695>have <00:23:08.895>marketplaces

566
00:23:09.695 --> 00:23:11.375
<00:23:09.695>for <00:23:09.928>data <00:23:10.161>sets <00:23:10.395>where <00:23:10.628>people <00:23:10.861>can <00:23:11.095>sell

567
00:23:11.375 --> 00:23:14.055
<00:23:11.375>and <00:23:11.575>buy <00:23:11.775>dataset, <00:23:11.975>datasets <00:23:12.175>and <00:23:12.375>actually <00:23:12.575>do <00:23:12.775>that.

568
00:23:14.715 --> 00:23:17.015
<00:23:14.715>And <00:23:14.870>in <00:23:15.026>the <00:23:15.181>end, <00:23:15.337>now <00:23:15.492>everybody <00:23:15.648>uses <00:23:15.803>the <00:23:15.959>big <00:23:16.115>players,

569
00:23:17.125 --> 00:23:21.135
<00:23:17.125>like <00:23:17.252>uses <00:23:17.379>Deeps, <00:23:17.506>seq <00:23:17.634>uses <00:23:17.761>chat, <00:23:17.888>GPT <00:23:18.015>uses, <00:23:18.143>uh, <00:23:18.270>uh, <00:23:18.397>uh, <00:23:18.525>Biral

570
00:23:21.645 --> 00:23:23.175
<00:23:21.645>uses <00:23:22.104>the <00:23:22.562>tropic <00:23:23.022>stuff.

571
00:23:23.275 --> 00:23:26.575
<00:23:23.275>Uh, <00:23:23.415>Claude, <00:23:23.555>you <00:23:23.695>know, <00:23:23.835>like <00:23:23.975>the, <00:23:24.115>the, <00:23:24.255>the, <00:23:24.395>the <00:23:24.535>whole <00:23:24.675>like

572
00:23:27.095 --> 00:23:28.375
<00:23:27.095>revolutionizing <00:23:28.247>this

573
00:23:28.475 --> 00:23:31.015
<00:23:28.475>and <00:23:28.630>making <00:23:28.786>sure <00:23:28.941>that <00:23:29.097>any <00:23:29.252>data <00:23:29.408>scientists <00:23:29.563>can <00:23:29.719>make <00:23:29.875>money

574
00:23:31.015 --> 00:23:33.895
<00:23:31.015>with <00:23:31.248>the, <00:23:31.481>with <00:23:31.715>their <00:23:31.948>trained <00:23:32.181>dataset <00:23:32.415>seems

575
00:23:34.195 --> 00:23:35.735
<00:23:34.195>to <00:23:34.541>not <00:23:34.888>have <00:23:35.234>taken <00:23:35.581>off.

576
00:23:36.435 --> 00:23:39.175
<00:23:36.435>Do <00:23:36.610>you <00:23:36.784>think <00:23:36.960>that's <00:23:37.135>because <00:23:37.310>people, <00:23:37.485>it's <00:23:37.659>too <00:23:37.835>tricky

577
00:23:39.235 --> 00:23:40.855
<00:23:39.235>as <00:23:39.409>you <00:23:39.584>said, <00:23:39.760>like <00:23:39.935>you <00:23:40.110>look <00:23:40.284>at <00:23:40.459>these <00:23:40.635>cards

578
00:23:40.915 --> 00:23:42.775
<00:23:40.915>and <00:23:41.115>you <00:23:41.315>don't <00:23:41.514>understand <00:23:41.715>the <00:23:41.915>quality <00:23:42.115>of <00:23:42.315>it.

579
00:23:43.115 --> 00:23:45.015
<00:23:43.115>Or <00:23:43.290>is <00:23:43.465>it <00:23:43.640>just <00:23:43.815>that <00:23:43.990>the <00:23:44.165>market <00:23:44.340>isn't <00:23:44.515>there

580
00:23:45.125 --> 00:23:46.445
<00:23:45.125>and <00:23:45.362>most <00:23:45.600>people <00:23:45.837>are <00:23:46.075>just <00:23:46.312>happy

581
00:23:46.465 --> 00:23:48.565
<00:23:46.465>to <00:23:46.639>ask <00:23:46.814>the <00:23:46.990>chat <00:23:47.165>system <00:23:47.340>the <00:23:47.514>same <00:23:47.689>thing <00:23:47.865>they

582
00:23:48.565 --> 00:23:49.605
<00:23:48.565>asked <00:23:48.877>10 <00:23:49.189>times <00:23:49.501>already?

583
00:23:50.645 --> 00:23:52.885
<00:23:50.645>I <00:23:50.800>think <00:23:50.956>it's <00:23:51.111>partially <00:23:51.267>people <00:23:51.422>are <00:23:51.578>just <00:23:51.733>going <00:23:51.889>to <00:23:52.045>the,

584
00:23:52.905 --> 00:23:54.525
<00:23:52.905>the <00:23:53.138>big <00:23:53.371>players <00:23:53.605>that <00:23:53.838>are <00:23:54.071>already <00:23:54.305>there.

585
00:23:55.045 --> 00:23:57.565
<00:23:55.045>I <00:23:55.220>think <00:23:55.395>partially <00:23:55.570>there's <00:23:55.745>a <00:23:55.920>discussion <00:23:56.095>about, <00:23:56.270>you <00:23:56.445>know,

586
00:23:57.565 --> 00:23:58.965
<00:23:57.565>funding <00:23:57.985>and <00:23:58.405>money <00:23:58.824>potentially.

587
00:23:59.155 --> 00:24:02.645
<00:23:59.155>Like <00:23:59.295>I <00:23:59.435>remember <00:23:59.575>deep <00:23:59.715>seek <00:23:59.855>coming <00:23:59.995>out <00:24:00.135>a <00:24:00.274>few <00:24:00.415>weeks <00:24:00.555>ago,

588
00:24:02.665 --> 00:24:03.925
<00:24:02.665>and <00:24:02.948>I <00:24:03.232>was <00:24:03.515>at <00:24:03.799>NDC

589
00:24:03.925 --> 00:24:06.325
<00:24:03.925>that <00:24:04.080>week <00:24:04.236>when <00:24:04.391>everyone <00:24:04.547>was <00:24:04.702>making <00:24:04.858>such <00:24:05.013>a <00:24:05.169>big <00:24:05.325>noise

590
00:24:06.385 --> 00:24:09.085
<00:24:06.385>and <00:24:06.560>everyone <00:24:06.735>kept <00:24:06.910>talking <00:24:07.085>about <00:24:07.260>how <00:24:07.435>this <00:24:07.610>was <00:24:07.785>novel

591
00:24:09.085 --> 00:24:12.525
<00:24:09.085>because <00:24:09.260>quite <00:24:09.435>simply <00:24:09.610>it <00:24:09.785>was <00:24:09.960>produced <00:24:10.135>for <00:24:10.310>a <00:24:10.485>fraction

592
00:24:12.525 --> 00:24:15.245
<00:24:12.525>of <00:24:12.665>the <00:24:12.805>cost <00:24:12.945>if <00:24:13.085>you <00:24:13.225>compared <00:24:13.365>it <00:24:13.505>against <00:24:13.645>large <00:24:13.785>models <00:24:13.925>like,

593
00:24:15.385 --> 00:24:17.205
<00:24:15.385>you <00:24:15.618>know, <00:24:15.851>open <00:24:16.085>AI <00:24:16.318>and <00:24:16.551>chat <00:24:16.785>GPT

594
00:24:17.905 --> 00:24:22.365
<00:24:17.905>and <00:24:18.021>if <00:24:18.138>you <00:24:18.254>need <00:24:18.371>these <00:24:18.488>vast <00:24:18.605>sums <00:24:18.721>of <00:24:18.838>money <00:24:18.955>in <00:24:19.071>order <00:24:19.188>to <00:24:19.305>try

595
00:24:22.365 --> 00:24:24.805
<00:24:22.365>and <00:24:22.565>do <00:24:22.765>these <00:24:22.965>kind <00:24:23.165>to <00:24:23.365>build <00:24:23.565>effective <00:24:23.765>models

596
00:24:25.025 --> 00:24:27.645
<00:24:25.025>for <00:24:25.258>these <00:24:25.491>particular <00:24:25.725>use <00:24:25.958>cases, <00:24:26.191>I <00:24:26.425>think

597
00:24:27.645 --> 00:24:30.885
<00:24:27.645>that <00:24:27.785>quite <00:24:27.925>often <00:24:28.065>prices <00:24:28.205>out <00:24:28.345>that <00:24:28.485>kind <00:24:28.625>of <00:24:28.764>little <00:24:28.905>kind <00:24:29.045>of,

598
00:24:31.185 --> 00:24:34.405
<00:24:31.185>you <00:24:31.360>know, <00:24:31.534>plucky <00:24:31.710>data <00:24:31.885>scientist <00:24:32.060>working <00:24:32.235>in <00:24:32.409>their <00:24:32.585>bedroom

599
00:24:34.545 --> 00:24:36.925
<00:24:34.545>who <00:24:34.672>wants <00:24:34.799>to <00:24:34.926>kinda <00:24:35.054>try <00:24:35.181>and <00:24:35.308>just <00:24:35.435>do <00:24:35.563>a <00:24:35.690>model <00:24:35.817>for <00:24:35.945>something.

600
00:24:37.425 --> 00:24:40.725
<00:24:37.425>You <00:24:37.705>know, <00:24:37.985>maybe <00:24:38.264>medium <00:24:38.544>level <00:24:38.825>complexity.

601
00:24:41.485 --> 00:24:43.605
<00:24:41.485>I <00:24:41.659>think <00:24:41.834>money <00:24:42.010>might <00:24:42.185>certainly <00:24:42.360>be <00:24:42.534>part <00:24:42.709>of <00:24:42.885>it.

602
00:24:44.225 --> 00:24:46.965
<00:24:44.225>Um, <00:24:44.352>but <00:24:44.479>I <00:24:44.606>think <00:24:44.734>it <00:24:44.861>also <00:24:44.988>comes <00:24:45.115>back <00:24:45.243>to <00:24:45.370>what <00:24:45.497>you <00:24:45.625>said

603
00:24:46.965 --> 00:24:48.685
<00:24:46.965>before <00:24:47.165>when <00:24:47.365>we <00:24:47.564>were <00:24:47.764>talking <00:24:47.965>about <00:24:48.165>this <00:24:48.365>notion

604
00:24:48.685 --> 00:24:49.845
<00:24:48.685>of <00:24:49.033>build <00:24:49.381>versus <00:24:49.729>buy.

605
00:24:50.295 --> 00:24:53.205
<00:24:50.295>There <00:24:50.435>is <00:24:50.575>more <00:24:50.715>of <00:24:50.855>a <00:24:50.995>kind <00:24:51.135>of <00:24:51.275>natural <00:24:51.415>lack <00:24:51.555>of <00:24:51.695>curiosity

606
00:24:53.295 --> 00:24:54.925
<00:24:53.295>where <00:24:53.495>people <00:24:53.695>are <00:24:53.895>just <00:24:54.095>going, <00:24:54.295>well, <00:24:54.495>I <00:24:54.695>need

607
00:24:54.925 --> 00:24:58.765
<00:24:54.925>to <00:24:55.080>solve <00:24:55.236>this <00:24:55.391>problem, <00:24:55.547>this <00:24:55.702>particular <00:24:55.858>tool <00:24:56.013>will <00:24:56.169>help <00:24:56.325>me

608
00:24:59.265 --> 00:25:00.285
<00:24:59.265>and <00:24:59.448>I'll <00:24:59.632>go <00:24:59.815>and <00:24:59.999>use <00:25:00.183>it.

609
00:25:00.745 --> 00:25:04.045
<00:25:00.745>But <00:25:00.900>I <00:25:01.056>think <00:25:01.211>also <00:25:01.367>sometimes <00:25:01.522>maybe <00:25:01.678>how <00:25:01.833>people <00:25:01.989>are <00:25:02.145>searching

610
00:25:04.045 --> 00:25:07.285
<00:25:04.045>for <00:25:04.220>information, <00:25:04.395>how <00:25:04.570>people <00:25:04.745>are <00:25:04.920>asking <00:25:05.095>questions <00:25:05.270>can <00:25:05.445>also

611
00:25:07.425 --> 00:25:09.565
<00:25:07.425>impact <00:25:07.600>the <00:25:07.774>results <00:25:07.950>and <00:25:08.125>what <00:25:08.300>they're <00:25:08.475>finding <00:25:08.649>as <00:25:08.825>well.

612
00:25:10.235 --> 00:25:11.645
<00:25:10.235>Like <00:25:10.416>obviously <00:25:10.597>one <00:25:10.778>of <00:25:10.960>the <00:25:11.141>things <00:25:11.322>I <00:25:11.504>do

613
00:25:11.645 --> 00:25:14.285
<00:25:11.645>as <00:25:11.785>an <00:25:11.925>advocate <00:25:12.065>is <00:25:12.205>I'm <00:25:12.345>on <00:25:12.485>the <00:25:12.625>developer <00:25:12.764>forums <00:25:12.905>for <00:25:13.045>Elastic

614
00:25:14.425 --> 00:25:16.445
<00:25:14.425>and <00:25:14.600>there's <00:25:14.774>all <00:25:14.950>sorts <00:25:15.125>of <00:25:15.300>other <00:25:15.475>ones <00:25:15.649>out <00:25:15.825>there,

615
00:25:17.145 --> 00:25:21.565
<00:25:17.145>but <00:25:17.300>I've <00:25:17.456>seen <00:25:17.611>like <00:25:17.767>really <00:25:17.922>fundamental <00:25:18.078>changes <00:25:18.233>in <00:25:18.389>behavior <00:25:18.545>of

616
00:25:21.565 --> 00:25:23.045
<00:25:21.565>how <00:25:21.898>people <00:25:22.231>search <00:25:22.564>for <00:25:22.897>information.

617
00:25:23.045 --> 00:25:24.365
<00:25:23.045>They'll <00:25:23.342>go <00:25:23.639>directly <00:25:23.936>to <00:25:24.233>chat,

618
00:25:24.525 --> 00:25:26.645
<00:25:24.525>GPT <00:25:24.875>assume <00:25:25.225>the <00:25:25.575>answer's <00:25:25.925>correct,

619
00:25:27.345 --> 00:25:30.525
<00:25:27.345>and <00:25:27.520>then <00:25:27.695>potentially, <00:25:27.870>you <00:25:28.045>know, <00:25:28.220>they <00:25:28.395>won't <00:25:28.570>scrutinize <00:25:28.745>it,

620
00:25:30.525 --> 00:25:32.085
<00:25:30.525>they <00:25:30.805>won't <00:25:31.085>check <00:25:31.365>if <00:25:31.645>it's <00:25:31.925>correct.

621
00:25:32.155 --> 00:25:34.285
<00:25:32.155>They <00:25:32.330>won't <00:25:32.504>check <00:25:32.680>if <00:25:32.855>it's <00:25:33.030>valid <00:25:33.205>that, <00:25:33.379>you <00:25:33.555>know,

622
00:25:34.285 --> 00:25:35.445
<00:25:34.285>this <00:25:34.807>particular <00:25:35.329>query

623
00:25:35.465 --> 00:25:38.285
<00:25:35.465>or <00:25:35.665>this <00:25:35.865>particular <00:25:36.064>syntax <00:25:36.264>matches <00:25:36.465>with <00:25:36.665>this <00:25:36.865>version.

624
00:25:39.225 --> 00:25:40.885
<00:25:39.225>And <00:25:39.458>then <00:25:39.691>they <00:25:39.925>wonder <00:25:40.158>why <00:25:40.391>things <00:25:40.625>are

625
00:25:41.045 --> 00:25:42.165
<00:25:41.045>breaking <00:25:41.381>and <00:25:41.717>falling <00:25:42.053>apart.

626
00:25:42.905 --> 00:25:46.685
<00:25:42.905>And <00:25:43.060>I <00:25:43.216>think <00:25:43.371>we <00:25:43.527>have <00:25:43.682>lost <00:25:43.838>that <00:25:43.993>ability <00:25:44.149>to <00:25:44.305>search

627
00:25:46.825 --> 00:25:47.925
<00:25:46.825>and <00:25:47.815>scrutinize

628
00:25:47.985 --> 00:25:49.805
<00:25:47.985>and <00:25:48.334>question <00:25:48.685>information <00:25:49.034>as <00:25:49.385>well

629
00:25:50.115 --> 00:25:51.325
<00:25:50.115>that <00:25:50.387>maybe <00:25:50.659>is <00:25:50.931>something <00:25:51.204>else

630
00:25:51.325 --> 00:25:52.965
<00:25:51.325>that <00:25:51.500>makes <00:25:51.675>it <00:25:51.850>a <00:25:52.025>bit <00:25:52.200>more <00:25:52.375>difficult <00:25:52.550>to <00:25:52.725>try

631
00:25:52.965 --> 00:25:54.005
<00:25:52.965>and <00:25:53.199>do <00:25:53.433>your <00:25:53.667>own <00:25:53.901>thing.

632
00:25:54.465 --> 00:25:56.605
<00:25:54.465>So <00:25:54.592>we <00:25:54.719>just <00:25:54.846>go <00:25:54.974>for <00:25:55.101>the <00:25:55.228>same <00:25:55.355>players <00:25:55.483>time <00:25:55.610>and <00:25:55.737>time <00:25:55.865>again.

633
00:25:57.905 --> 00:25:59.205
<00:25:57.905>It <00:25:58.139>feels <00:25:58.373>like <00:25:58.607>we're <00:25:58.841>getting <00:25:59.074>pushed

634
00:25:59.275 --> 00:26:00.365
<00:25:59.275>into <00:25:59.520>that <00:25:59.765>world <00:26:00.010>as <00:26:00.256>well.

635
00:26:00.395 --> 00:26:02.885
<00:26:00.395>Like <00:26:00.570>the, <00:26:00.745>uh, <00:26:00.920>as <00:26:01.095>somebody <00:26:01.270>who's <00:26:01.445>maintaining <00:26:01.620>a <00:26:01.795>blog

636
00:26:02.885 --> 00:26:04.085
<00:26:02.885>and <00:26:03.155>a <00:26:03.425>newsletter <00:26:03.695>right <00:26:03.965>now,

637
00:26:04.225 --> 00:26:07.965
<00:26:04.225>and <00:26:04.425>like <00:26:04.625>right, <00:26:04.824>uh, <00:26:05.024>wrote <00:26:05.225>documentation <00:26:05.425>for <00:26:05.625>Edge

638
00:26:08.065 --> 00:26:10.885
<00:26:08.065>and <00:26:08.240>all <00:26:08.415>other <00:26:08.590>things <00:26:08.765>out <00:26:08.940>there, <00:26:09.115>it's <00:26:09.290>like <00:26:09.465>everybody

639
00:26:10.985 --> 00:26:13.165
<00:26:10.985>and <00:26:11.185>their <00:26:11.385>dog <00:26:11.584>sending <00:26:11.784>me <00:26:11.985>emails <00:26:12.185>right <00:26:12.385>now.

640
00:26:13.165 --> 00:26:14.965
<00:26:13.165>Like, <00:26:13.340>we <00:26:13.514>have <00:26:13.690>a <00:26:13.865>chat, <00:26:14.040>we <00:26:14.215>have <00:26:14.389>an <00:26:14.565>agent

641
00:26:14.965 --> 00:26:16.485
<00:26:14.965>that <00:26:15.193>can <00:26:15.420>write <00:26:15.649>that <00:26:15.877>stuff <00:26:16.105>for <00:26:16.332>you.

642
00:26:16.545 --> 00:26:19.885
<00:26:16.545>You <00:26:16.685>can <00:26:16.825>upload <00:26:16.965>the <00:26:17.105>video <00:26:17.245>and <00:26:17.385>it <00:26:17.525>creates <00:26:17.665>LinkedIn <00:26:17.805>blog <00:26:17.945>posts.

643
00:26:19.885 --> 00:26:21.765
<00:26:19.885>It <00:26:20.118>creates <00:26:20.351>avid <00:26:20.585>a, <00:26:20.818>a <00:26:21.051>blog <00:26:21.285>post.

644
00:26:21.865 --> 00:26:25.245
<00:26:21.865>It <00:26:22.020>creates <00:26:22.176>things, <00:26:22.331>it <00:26:22.487>creates <00:26:22.642>like <00:26:22.798>tweets <00:26:22.953>for <00:26:23.109>you. <00:26:23.265>Mm-hmm.

645
00:26:26.305 --> 00:26:27.805
<00:26:26.305>It, <00:26:26.642>it <00:26:26.980>feels <00:26:27.317>really <00:26:27.655>bizarre

646
00:26:27.805 --> 00:26:30.885
<00:26:27.805>that <00:26:27.980>we <00:26:28.155>are <00:26:28.330>automating <00:26:28.505>these <00:26:28.680>things <00:26:28.855>for <00:26:29.030>being <00:26:29.205>read

647
00:26:30.905 --> 00:26:33.685
<00:26:30.905>by <00:26:31.080>machines <00:26:31.254>and <00:26:31.430>being, <00:26:31.605>not <00:26:31.780>being <00:26:31.955>read <00:26:32.129>by <00:26:32.305>humans.

648
00:26:34.545 --> 00:26:36.405
<00:26:34.545>How <00:26:34.778>do <00:26:35.011>you, <00:26:35.245>uh, <00:26:35.478>feel <00:26:35.711>like, <00:26:35.945>uh,

649
00:26:36.685 --> 00:26:39.605
<00:26:36.685>documenting <00:26:36.965>your <00:26:37.245>own <00:26:37.524>products <00:26:37.804>right <00:26:38.085>now?

650
00:26:39.745 --> 00:26:42.965
<00:26:39.745>It <00:26:39.900>feels <00:26:40.056>like <00:26:40.211>you're, <00:26:40.367>you're, <00:26:40.522>you're <00:26:40.678>wasting <00:26:40.833>effort <00:26:40.989>at <00:26:41.145>the,

651
00:26:42.965 --> 00:26:44.725
<00:26:42.965>the <00:26:43.139>same <00:26:43.314>time <00:26:43.490>you <00:26:43.665>want <00:26:43.840>to <00:26:44.014>do <00:26:44.189>it <00:26:44.365>differently

652
00:26:44.725 --> 00:26:47.525
<00:26:44.725>because <00:26:44.880>as <00:26:45.036>you <00:26:45.191>said, <00:26:45.347>like <00:26:45.502>a <00:26:45.658>a <00:26:45.813>a <00:26:45.969>a <00:26:46.125>system

653
00:26:47.525 --> 00:26:49.925
<00:26:47.525>that <00:26:47.700>automatically <00:26:47.875>generated <00:26:48.050>it <00:26:48.225>was <00:26:48.400>probably <00:26:48.575>a <00:26:48.750>two <00:26:48.925>year

654
00:26:50.165 --> 00:26:52.005
<00:26:50.165>outdated <00:26:50.398>model <00:26:50.631>that <00:26:50.865>will <00:26:51.098>not <00:26:51.331>have <00:26:51.565>the

655
00:26:52.005 --> 00:26:53.085
<00:26:52.005>newest <00:26:52.329>features <00:26:52.653>in <00:26:52.977>there.

656
00:26:53.665 --> 00:26:58.205
<00:26:53.665>So <00:26:53.805>do <00:26:53.945>you <00:26:54.085>think <00:26:54.225>the <00:26:54.365>the <00:26:54.504>generating <00:26:54.645>of <00:26:54.784>documentation <00:26:54.925>with <00:26:55.065>AI

657
00:26:59.145 --> 00:27:01.285
<00:26:59.145>is, <00:26:59.425>uh, <00:26:59.705>is <00:26:59.985>a <00:27:00.264>use <00:27:00.545>case?

658
00:27:01.285 --> 00:27:02.525
<00:27:01.285>That <00:27:01.843>seems <00:27:02.401>okay,

659
00:27:02.865 --> 00:27:06.325
<00:27:02.865>but, <00:27:03.040>uh, <00:27:03.215>do <00:27:03.390>you <00:27:03.565>think <00:27:03.740>writers <00:27:03.915>are <00:27:04.090>still <00:27:04.265>needed?

660
00:27:07.205 --> 00:27:08.565
<00:27:07.205>I <00:27:07.449>think <00:27:07.694>writers <00:27:07.939>are <00:27:08.184>still <00:27:08.429>needed.

661
00:27:08.765 --> 00:27:10.525
<00:27:08.765>I <00:27:08.998>think <00:27:09.231>content <00:27:09.465>creators <00:27:09.698>are <00:27:09.931>still <00:27:10.165>needed.

662
00:27:10.865 --> 00:27:12.405
<00:27:10.865>I'm <00:27:11.063>a <00:27:11.261>little <00:27:11.459>bit <00:27:11.657>biased <00:27:11.855>on <00:27:12.053>this <00:27:12.251>front

663
00:27:12.405 --> 00:27:13.925
<00:27:12.405>because, <00:27:12.633>you <00:27:12.860>know, <00:27:13.089>I'm <00:27:13.317>a <00:27:13.545>content <00:27:13.773>creator

664
00:27:14.025 --> 00:27:18.725
<00:27:14.025>and <00:27:14.141>a <00:27:14.258>developer, <00:27:14.375>um, <00:27:14.491>when <00:27:14.608>I, <00:27:14.725>so <00:27:14.841>I'm <00:27:14.958>one <00:27:15.075>of <00:27:15.191>these <00:27:15.308>weird <00:27:15.425>ones.

665
00:27:18.725 --> 00:27:21.165
<00:27:18.725>Despite <00:27:18.880>the <00:27:19.036>fact <00:27:19.191>I <00:27:19.347>work <00:27:19.502>for <00:27:19.658>a <00:27:19.813>search <00:27:19.969>AI <00:27:20.125>company,

666
00:27:21.525 --> 00:27:23.285
<00:27:21.525>I <00:27:21.805>don't <00:27:22.085>actually <00:27:22.365>use <00:27:22.645>chat <00:27:22.925>GPT

667
00:27:23.285 --> 00:27:26.325
<00:27:23.285>or <00:27:23.460>LLMs <00:27:23.635>that <00:27:23.810>much <00:27:23.985>to, <00:27:24.160>for <00:27:24.335>my <00:27:24.510>day-to-day <00:27:24.685>automation.

668
00:27:26.955 --> 00:27:29.725
<00:27:26.955>There's <00:27:27.110>a <00:27:27.266>lot <00:27:27.421>of <00:27:27.577>things <00:27:27.732>that <00:27:27.888>I <00:27:28.043>prepare, <00:27:28.199>I <00:27:28.355>prefer

669
00:27:29.725 --> 00:27:32.365
<00:27:29.725>to <00:27:30.004>do <00:27:30.284>myself <00:27:30.564>because <00:27:30.844>I <00:27:31.125>feel

670
00:27:32.555 --> 00:27:35.405
<00:27:32.555>that <00:27:32.788>they <00:27:33.021>don't <00:27:33.255>really <00:27:33.488>have <00:27:33.721>my <00:27:33.955>authenticity.

671
00:27:36.125 --> 00:27:38.605
<00:27:36.125>I <00:27:36.300>feel <00:27:36.475>like <00:27:36.650>I <00:27:36.825>know <00:27:37.000>that <00:27:37.175>I've <00:27:37.350>checked <00:27:37.525>something

672
00:27:38.645 --> 00:27:41.085
<00:27:38.645>and <00:27:38.800>it's <00:27:38.956>correct, <00:27:39.111>so <00:27:39.267>I <00:27:39.422>will <00:27:39.578>just <00:27:39.733>do <00:27:39.889>it <00:27:40.045>myself.

673
00:27:41.265 --> 00:27:43.525
<00:27:41.265>And <00:27:41.465>maybe <00:27:41.665>that's <00:27:41.865>just <00:27:42.065>the <00:27:42.265>generation <00:27:42.465>I'm <00:27:42.665>from

674
00:27:43.525 --> 00:27:45.885
<00:27:43.525>as <00:27:43.700>an <00:27:43.875>engineer, <00:27:44.050>but <00:27:44.225>that's <00:27:44.400>just <00:27:44.575>what <00:27:44.750>I <00:27:44.925>do.

675
00:27:46.865 --> 00:27:50.005
<00:27:46.865>So <00:27:47.005>by <00:27:47.145>all <00:27:47.285>means, <00:27:47.425>I've <00:27:47.565>used <00:27:47.705>it <00:27:47.845>for <00:27:47.985>certain <00:27:48.125>small <00:27:48.265>tasks,

676
00:27:50.185 --> 00:27:52.165
<00:27:50.185>but <00:27:50.385>like <00:27:50.585>bigger <00:27:50.784>things <00:27:50.985>in <00:27:51.185>my <00:27:51.385>day-to-day <00:27:51.585>job.

677
00:27:52.205 --> 00:27:53.565
<00:27:52.205>I <00:27:52.358>don't <00:27:52.511>use <00:27:52.664>it <00:27:52.817>for, <00:27:52.970>I <00:27:53.123>don't <00:27:53.276>use <00:27:53.429>it

678
00:27:53.565 --> 00:27:56.205
<00:27:53.565>for <00:27:53.845>writing <00:27:54.125>my <00:27:54.405>social <00:27:54.685>posts, <00:27:54.965>um,

679
00:27:56.635 --> 00:28:00.045
<00:27:56.635>because <00:27:56.762>I <00:27:56.889>feel <00:27:57.016>like <00:27:57.144>it <00:27:57.271>loses <00:27:57.398>some <00:27:57.525>of <00:27:57.653>the <00:27:57.780>authenticity <00:27:57.907>of <00:27:58.035>me.

680
00:28:00.305 --> 00:28:03.685
<00:28:00.305>Now <00:28:00.432>I <00:28:00.559>did <00:28:00.686>see <00:28:00.814>something <00:28:00.941>on <00:28:01.068>BBCA <00:28:01.195>few <00:28:01.323>weeks <00:28:01.450>ago <00:28:01.577>from <00:28:01.705>their

681
00:28:03.685 --> 00:28:06.365
<00:28:03.685>technology <00:28:03.860>editor <00:28:04.034>and <00:28:04.210>she <00:28:04.385>was <00:28:04.560>talking <00:28:04.735>about <00:28:04.909>a <00:28:05.085>book

682
00:28:06.365 --> 00:28:07.445
<00:28:06.365>she <00:28:06.608>got <00:28:06.851>given <00:28:07.094>for <00:28:07.337>Christmas.

683
00:28:07.445 --> 00:28:09.005
<00:28:07.445>It <00:28:07.645>was <00:28:07.845>the, <00:28:08.044>I <00:28:08.245>generated <00:28:08.445>in <00:28:08.645>her <00:28:08.845>voice

684
00:28:09.745 --> 00:28:11.885
<00:28:09.745>and <00:28:09.919>she <00:28:10.094>said <00:28:10.270>a <00:28:10.445>lot <00:28:10.620>of <00:28:10.794>it <00:28:10.969>was <00:28:11.145>surprisingly,

685
00:28:11.915 --> 00:28:14.965
<00:28:11.915>sounded <00:28:12.148>surprisingly <00:28:12.381>similar <00:28:12.615>to <00:28:12.848>how <00:28:13.081>she <00:28:13.315>sounds.

686
00:28:15.225 --> 00:28:18.325
<00:28:15.225>So <00:28:15.425>obviously <00:28:15.625>maybe <00:28:15.824>it <00:28:16.024>can <00:28:16.225>do <00:28:16.425>some <00:28:16.625>elements

687
00:28:18.325 --> 00:28:19.485
<00:28:18.325>of <00:28:18.673>sounding <00:28:19.021>like <00:28:19.369>you.

688
00:28:20.145 --> 00:28:21.405
<00:28:20.145>But <00:28:20.334>she <00:28:20.523>also <00:28:20.712>said <00:28:20.901>that <00:28:21.090>there <00:28:21.279>was

689
00:28:21.405 --> 00:28:22.525
<00:28:21.405>certain <00:28:21.606>things <00:28:21.808>that <00:28:22.009>were <00:28:22.211>just <00:28:22.413>wrong.

690
00:28:23.035 --> 00:28:25.885
<00:28:23.035>Like <00:28:23.142>I <00:28:23.250>think <00:28:23.358>it <00:28:23.465>said <00:28:23.573>she <00:28:23.681>had <00:28:23.788>a <00:28:23.896>pet, <00:28:24.004>she <00:28:24.111>didn't <00:28:24.219>have <00:28:24.327>a <00:28:24.435>pet.

691
00:28:26.745 --> 00:28:30.785
<00:28:26.745>Um, <00:28:26.919>for <00:28:27.094>me <00:28:27.270>it's <00:28:27.445>a <00:28:27.620>useful <00:28:27.794>thing <00:28:27.969>to <00:28:28.145>check

692
00:28:31.125 --> 00:28:33.705
<00:28:31.125>and <00:28:31.300>try <00:28:31.475>things <00:28:31.650>and <00:28:31.825>put <00:28:32.000>maybe <00:28:32.175>in <00:28:32.350>to <00:28:32.525>restructure

693
00:28:33.765 --> 00:28:36.665
<00:28:33.765>and <00:28:33.892>change <00:28:34.019>something <00:28:34.146>as <00:28:34.274>long <00:28:34.401>as <00:28:34.528>you <00:28:34.655>adapt <00:28:34.783>it <00:28:34.910>and <00:28:35.037>change <00:28:35.165>it

694
00:28:36.665 --> 00:28:37.665
<00:28:36.665>and <00:28:36.889>make <00:28:37.115>sure <00:28:37.340>it's <00:28:37.565>correct.

695
00:28:38.935 --> 00:28:43.115
<00:28:38.935>Um, <00:28:39.090>because <00:28:39.246>I've <00:28:39.401>seen <00:28:39.557>it <00:28:39.712>in <00:28:39.868>all <00:28:40.023>elements <00:28:40.179>of <00:28:40.335>kind

696
00:28:43.115 --> 00:28:46.155
<00:28:43.115>of <00:28:43.290>my <00:28:43.465>working <00:28:43.640>role <00:28:43.815>from <00:28:43.990>answering <00:28:44.165>questions <00:28:44.340>on <00:28:44.515>forums

697
00:28:46.155 --> 00:28:48.755
<00:28:46.155>where <00:28:46.282>people <00:28:46.409>just <00:28:46.536>take <00:28:46.664>the <00:28:46.791>chat <00:28:46.918>GPT <00:28:47.045>answer <00:28:47.173>and <00:28:47.300>put <00:28:47.427>it <00:28:47.555>in,

698
00:28:49.095 --> 00:28:50.835
<00:28:49.095>and <00:28:49.270>then <00:28:49.445>we <00:28:49.620>end <00:28:49.795>up <00:28:49.970>getting <00:28:50.145>a <00:28:50.320>flagged <00:28:50.495>response

699
00:28:50.835 --> 00:28:52.875
<00:28:50.835>because <00:28:51.301>it's <00:28:51.768>not <00:28:52.235>correct.

700
00:28:53.735 --> 00:28:55.035
<00:28:53.735>Um, <00:28:54.027>please <00:28:54.320>don't <00:28:54.612>use <00:28:54.905>it.

701
00:28:55.035 --> 00:28:56.155
<00:28:55.035>If <00:28:55.203>someone <00:28:55.371>wants <00:28:55.539>to <00:28:55.707>go <00:28:55.875>to <00:28:56.043>chat

702
00:28:56.275 --> 00:28:57.555
<00:28:56.275>GPT, <00:28:56.505>let <00:28:56.735>'em <00:28:56.966>do <00:28:57.196>it <00:28:57.427>themselves.

703
00:28:57.605 --> 00:28:59.635
<00:28:57.605>Don't <00:28:57.838>use <00:28:58.071>it <00:28:58.305>to <00:28:58.538>answer <00:28:58.771>forum <00:28:59.005>questions.

704
00:28:59.695 --> 00:29:02.035
<00:28:59.695>Now, <00:28:59.928>certain <00:29:00.161>forums <00:29:00.395>might <00:29:00.628>have <00:29:00.861>particular <00:29:01.095>conditions

705
00:29:02.175 --> 00:29:05.395
<00:29:02.175>and <00:29:02.302>say <00:29:02.429>AI <00:29:02.556>content <00:29:02.684>is <00:29:02.811>generated <00:29:02.938>as <00:29:03.065>long <00:29:03.193>as <00:29:03.320>you <00:29:03.447>validate <00:29:03.575>it.

706
00:29:05.425 --> 00:29:07.715
<00:29:05.425>Some <00:29:05.565>say <00:29:05.705>none <00:29:05.845>at <00:29:05.985>all. <00:29:06.125>Make <00:29:06.264>sure <00:29:06.405>you're <00:29:06.544>aware <00:29:06.685>of <00:29:06.825>that.

707
00:29:07.855 --> 00:29:10.475
<00:29:07.855>But <00:29:08.030>you <00:29:08.205>know, <00:29:08.380>people <00:29:08.555>can <00:29:08.730>go <00:29:08.905>to <00:29:09.080>chat <00:29:09.255>GPT,

708
00:29:10.475 --> 00:29:12.035
<00:29:10.475>they've <00:29:10.675>clearly <00:29:10.875>asked <00:29:11.074>it <00:29:11.274>here <00:29:11.475>for <00:29:11.675>a <00:29:11.875>reason.

709
00:29:13.175 --> 00:29:16.075
<00:29:13.175>Um, <00:29:13.455>but <00:29:13.735>I <00:29:14.014>just <00:29:14.294>find <00:29:14.575>that

710
00:29:16.745 --> 00:29:20.555
<00:29:16.745>with <00:29:16.978>the <00:29:17.211>authenticity <00:29:17.445>element, <00:29:17.678>I <00:29:17.911>think <00:29:18.145>it's,

711
00:29:20.755 --> 00:29:22.395
<00:29:20.755>I <00:29:20.930>don't <00:29:21.105>think <00:29:21.280>writers <00:29:21.455>are <00:29:21.630>going <00:29:21.805>to <00:29:21.980>go <00:29:22.155>away.

712
00:29:22.595 --> 00:29:24.795
<00:29:22.595>I <00:29:22.750>think <00:29:22.906>what's <00:29:23.061>gonna <00:29:23.217>happen <00:29:23.372>is <00:29:23.528>there's <00:29:23.683>some <00:29:23.839>elements <00:29:23.995>of

713
00:29:24.795 --> 00:29:27.955
<00:29:24.795>what <00:29:24.970>they <00:29:25.145>generate, <00:29:25.320>they <00:29:25.495>will <00:29:25.670>have, <00:29:25.845>will <00:29:26.020>be <00:29:26.195>generated

714
00:29:29.015 --> 00:29:30.955
<00:29:29.015>and <00:29:29.248>then <00:29:29.481>we <00:29:29.715>will <00:29:29.948>end <00:29:30.181>up <00:29:30.415>tweaking

715
00:29:30.975 --> 00:29:32.675
<00:29:30.975>and <00:29:31.324>changing <00:29:31.675>and <00:29:32.024>validating <00:29:32.375>it.

716
00:29:32.695 --> 00:29:34.755
<00:29:32.695>So <00:29:32.895>I <00:29:33.095>wonder <00:29:33.294>if <00:29:33.495>our <00:29:33.695>role <00:29:33.895>becomes <00:29:34.095>more

717
00:29:34.755 --> 00:29:36.235
<00:29:34.755>of <00:29:34.977>a <00:29:35.199>fact <00:29:35.421>checking <00:29:35.643>kind <00:29:35.865>of <00:29:36.087>thing.

718
00:29:36.625 --> 00:29:38.755
<00:29:36.625>Obviously <00:29:36.780>you <00:29:36.936>never <00:29:37.091>know <00:29:37.247>what <00:29:37.402>the <00:29:37.558>future <00:29:37.713>is <00:29:37.869>gonna <00:29:38.025>hold,

719
00:29:38.855 --> 00:29:40.595
<00:29:38.855>but <00:29:39.030>that's <00:29:39.205>something <00:29:39.380>we <00:29:39.555>might <00:29:39.730>want <00:29:39.905>to <00:29:40.080>think <00:29:40.255>about.

720
00:29:42.155 --> 00:29:43.325
<00:29:42.155>Manu, <00:29:42.418>that <00:29:42.681>feels <00:29:42.944>the <00:29:43.208>same.

721
00:29:43.325 --> 00:29:46.125
<00:29:43.325>Like <00:29:43.465>the <00:29:43.605>talk <00:29:43.745>that <00:29:43.885>I've <00:29:44.025>given <00:29:44.165>at <00:29:44.305>EC <00:29:44.445>was <00:29:44.585>about <00:29:44.725>that,

722
00:29:46.125 --> 00:29:49.605
<00:29:46.125>that <00:29:46.280>like, <00:29:46.436>our <00:29:46.591>engineering <00:29:46.747>task <00:29:46.902>is <00:29:47.058>much <00:29:47.213>more <00:29:47.369>of, <00:29:47.525>uh,

723
00:29:49.605 --> 00:29:51.565
<00:29:49.605>of <00:29:50.071>validating <00:29:50.538>generated <00:29:51.005>code

724
00:29:51.985 --> 00:29:54.245
<00:29:51.985>and <00:29:52.140>actually <00:29:52.296>seeing <00:29:52.451>the <00:29:52.607>quality <00:29:52.762>of <00:29:52.918>it <00:29:53.073>and, <00:29:53.229>and <00:29:53.385>uh,

725
00:29:54.385 --> 00:29:56.925
<00:29:54.385>and <00:29:54.585>making <00:29:54.785>sure <00:29:54.985>you, <00:29:55.185>it <00:29:55.385>doesn't <00:29:55.585>generate <00:29:55.785>rubbish.

726
00:29:57.465 --> 00:30:00.045
<00:29:57.465>And <00:29:57.639>rather <00:29:57.814>than <00:29:57.990>writing <00:29:58.165>it <00:29:58.340>ourselves, <00:29:58.514>we're <00:29:58.689>becoming <00:29:58.865>more

727
00:30:00.045 --> 00:30:02.605
<00:30:00.045>of <00:30:00.200>an <00:30:00.356>editor <00:30:00.511>or <00:30:00.667>a <00:30:00.822>reviewer <00:30:00.978>of <00:30:01.133>code <00:30:01.289>or <00:30:01.445>content.

728
00:30:03.405 --> 00:30:04.605
<00:30:03.405>I <00:30:03.764>never <00:30:04.125>understood <00:30:04.485>this.

729
00:30:04.605 --> 00:30:06.285
<00:30:04.605>Like, <00:30:04.805>I <00:30:05.005>mean, <00:30:05.205>I <00:30:05.405>understand <00:30:05.605>it <00:30:05.805>from <00:30:06.005>a,

730
00:30:06.395 --> 00:30:08.285
<00:30:06.395>from <00:30:06.628>a <00:30:06.861>demo <00:30:07.095>perspective, <00:30:07.328>like <00:30:07.561>oh, <00:30:07.795>cool,

731
00:30:08.385 --> 00:30:10.045
<00:30:08.385>the <00:30:08.665>AI <00:30:08.945>can <00:30:09.225>simulate <00:30:09.504>your <00:30:09.785>voice.

732
00:30:10.475 --> 00:30:12.765
<00:30:10.475>Yeah, <00:30:10.675>but <00:30:10.875>I'm <00:30:11.074>actually, <00:30:11.274>that's <00:30:11.475>what <00:30:11.675>fraudsters <00:30:11.875>do.

733
00:30:12.765 --> 00:30:15.165
<00:30:12.765>This <00:30:12.940>is <00:30:13.115>not <00:30:13.290>actually, <00:30:13.465>this <00:30:13.640>is <00:30:13.815>like <00:30:13.990>not <00:30:14.165>something

734
00:30:15.165 --> 00:30:17.645
<00:30:15.165>that <00:30:15.340>I <00:30:15.514>want, <00:30:15.690>you <00:30:15.865>know, <00:30:16.040>why <00:30:16.215>would <00:30:16.389>I, <00:30:16.565>uh,

735
00:30:17.825 --> 00:30:18.965
<00:30:17.825>why <00:30:18.081>would <00:30:18.338>I <00:30:18.594>want <00:30:18.851>something

736
00:30:18.985 --> 00:30:21.725
<00:30:18.985>to <00:30:19.159>be <00:30:19.334>read <00:30:19.510>out <00:30:19.685>like <00:30:19.860>my <00:30:20.034>voice <00:30:20.209>when, <00:30:20.385>uh,

737
00:30:21.725 --> 00:30:22.965
<00:30:21.725>later <00:30:22.004>on <00:30:22.283>people <00:30:22.562>ask <00:30:22.841>me

738
00:30:22.965 --> 00:30:24.485
<00:30:22.965>and <00:30:23.307>ask <00:30:23.649>me <00:30:23.991>about <00:30:24.332>content

739
00:30:24.515 --> 00:30:26.605
<00:30:24.515>that <00:30:24.715>I <00:30:24.915>hadn't <00:30:25.115>spoken <00:30:25.315>and <00:30:25.515>I <00:30:25.715>can't <00:30:25.915>remember.

740
00:30:26.915 --> 00:30:31.125
<00:30:26.915>Yeah, <00:30:27.042>it <00:30:27.169>feels <00:30:27.296>like <00:30:27.424>hiring <00:30:27.551>a <00:30:27.678>lookalike <00:30:27.805>a, <00:30:27.933>a <00:30:28.060>a <00:30:28.187>a <00:30:28.315>actor

741
00:30:31.265 --> 00:30:32.325
<00:30:31.265>to <00:30:31.583>do <00:30:31.901>your <00:30:32.219>stuff.

742
00:30:33.005 --> 00:30:34.165
<00:30:33.005>I <00:30:33.213>don't <00:30:33.422>know <00:30:33.631>why <00:30:33.840>that <00:30:34.049>is.

743
00:30:34.485 --> 00:30:35.645
<00:30:34.485>I <00:30:34.745>mean, <00:30:35.006>there's <00:30:35.268>whole <00:30:35.529>companies

744
00:30:35.645 --> 00:30:38.765
<00:30:35.645>that <00:30:35.820>do <00:30:35.995>like <00:30:36.170>corporate <00:30:36.345>training <00:30:36.520>videos <00:30:36.695>with <00:30:36.870>like <00:30:37.045>webinars

745
00:30:39.565 --> 00:30:41.165
<00:30:39.565>and <00:30:39.845>I'm <00:30:40.125>like, <00:30:40.405>this <00:30:40.685>is <00:30:40.965>insulting.

746
00:30:41.235 --> 00:30:44.245
<00:30:41.235>This <00:30:41.409>is <00:30:41.584>not <00:30:41.760>really <00:30:41.935>giving <00:30:42.110>me <00:30:42.284>a <00:30:42.459>cozy <00:30:42.635>feel

747
00:30:44.245 --> 00:30:45.765
<00:30:44.245>that <00:30:44.518>my <00:30:44.792>company <00:30:45.065>cares <00:30:45.339>about <00:30:45.613>you.

748
00:30:45.765 --> 00:30:47.845
<00:30:45.765>This <00:30:45.920>is <00:30:46.076>like, <00:30:46.231>here's <00:30:46.387>a <00:30:46.542>robot <00:30:46.698>thing <00:30:46.853>to <00:30:47.009>talk <00:30:47.165>to

749
00:30:48.235 --> 00:30:50.485
<00:30:48.235>that <00:30:48.468>feels <00:30:48.701>really <00:30:48.935>odd <00:30:49.168>that <00:30:49.401>like <00:30:49.635>we're,

750
00:30:50.655 --> 00:30:55.125
<00:30:50.655>we're <00:30:50.810>simulating <00:30:50.966>this <00:30:51.121>human <00:30:51.277>thing <00:30:51.432>because <00:30:51.588>we <00:30:51.743>don't <00:30:51.899>have <00:30:52.055>time

751
00:30:55.345 --> 00:30:58.205
<00:30:55.345>or <00:30:55.578>budget <00:30:55.811>to <00:30:56.045>pay <00:30:56.278>humans <00:30:56.511>for <00:30:56.745>it.

752
00:30:58.905 --> 00:31:01.365
<00:30:58.905>So <00:30:59.045>why <00:30:59.185>do <00:30:59.325>we <00:30:59.465>do <00:30:59.605>it <00:30:59.745>then? <00:30:59.885>This <00:31:00.024>feels <00:31:00.165>just <00:31:00.305>wrong.

753
00:31:01.945 --> 00:31:04.925
<00:31:01.945>It <00:31:02.100>feels <00:31:02.256>to <00:31:02.411>me <00:31:02.567>the, <00:31:02.722>I <00:31:02.878>I <00:31:03.033>mean <00:31:03.189>obviously <00:31:03.345>I,

754
00:31:05.045 --> 00:31:07.085
<00:31:05.045>I <00:31:05.200>think <00:31:05.356>about <00:31:05.511>this <00:31:05.667>and <00:31:05.822>this <00:31:05.978>is <00:31:06.133>a <00:31:06.289>legitimate <00:31:06.445>fear

755
00:31:07.085 --> 00:31:08.205
<00:31:07.085>for <00:31:07.286>me <00:31:07.488>as <00:31:07.689>a <00:31:07.891>conference <00:31:08.092>speaker.

756
00:31:08.205 --> 00:31:10.085
<00:31:08.205>There's <00:31:08.360>a <00:31:08.516>lot <00:31:08.671>of <00:31:08.827>video <00:31:08.982>content <00:31:09.138>out <00:31:09.293>there <00:31:09.449>with <00:31:09.605>me

757
00:31:10.825 --> 00:31:14.005
<00:31:10.825>and <00:31:11.000>the <00:31:11.175>idea <00:31:11.350>that <00:31:11.525>someone <00:31:11.700>could <00:31:11.875>potentially <00:31:12.050>take <00:31:12.225>that

758
00:31:14.145 --> 00:31:17.285
<00:31:14.145>and <00:31:14.285>make <00:31:14.425>me, <00:31:14.565>you <00:31:14.705>know, <00:31:14.845>produce <00:31:14.985>something <00:31:15.125>that <00:31:15.264>is <00:31:15.405>not <00:31:15.545>me,

759
00:31:17.315 --> 00:31:19.845
<00:31:17.315>that <00:31:17.515>could <00:31:17.715>say <00:31:17.915>something <00:31:18.115>either, <00:31:18.315>you <00:31:18.515>know, <00:31:18.715>offensive

760
00:31:20.185 --> 00:31:23.165
<00:31:20.185>or <00:31:20.325>something <00:31:20.465>that <00:31:20.605>doesn't <00:31:20.745>reflect <00:31:20.885>who <00:31:21.024>I <00:31:21.165>am <00:31:21.304>as <00:31:21.445>a <00:31:21.585>person

761
00:31:24.145 --> 00:31:25.645
<00:31:24.145>is <00:31:24.370>probably <00:31:24.595>a <00:31:24.820>risk <00:31:25.045>I <00:31:25.270>live <00:31:25.495>with.

762
00:31:25.645 --> 00:31:26.925
<00:31:25.645>That's <00:31:25.933>a <00:31:26.221>little <00:31:26.509>bit <00:31:26.797>scary.

763
00:31:27.385 --> 00:31:29.125
<00:31:27.385>Um, <00:31:28.085>it's <00:31:28.785>interesting,

764
00:31:29.165 --> 00:31:31.645
<00:31:29.165>I <00:31:29.340>think <00:31:29.514>if <00:31:29.690>it's <00:31:29.865>not <00:31:30.040>modeling <00:31:30.215>a <00:31:30.389>particular <00:31:30.565>individual,

765
00:31:31.925 --> 00:31:34.885
<00:31:31.925>I <00:31:32.080>can <00:31:32.236>understand <00:31:32.391>in <00:31:32.547>some <00:31:32.702>circumstances <00:31:32.858>why <00:31:33.013>it <00:31:33.169>makes <00:31:33.325>sense.

766
00:31:34.905 --> 00:31:36.245
<00:31:34.905>So <00:31:35.146>like <00:31:35.387>the <00:31:35.628>corporate <00:31:35.869>training <00:31:36.110>videos,

767
00:31:37.185 --> 00:31:39.445
<00:31:37.185>but <00:31:37.325>then <00:31:37.465>we <00:31:37.605>also <00:31:37.745>have <00:31:37.885>to <00:31:38.024>think <00:31:38.165>about <00:31:38.304>what <00:31:38.445>we're <00:31:38.585>losing

768
00:31:39.585 --> 00:31:43.325
<00:31:39.585>as <00:31:39.760>well <00:31:39.935>because <00:31:40.110>people's <00:31:40.285>experiences <00:31:40.460>are <00:31:40.635>quite <00:31:40.810>often <00:31:40.985>one

769
00:31:43.325 --> 00:31:45.645
<00:31:43.325>of <00:31:43.452>the <00:31:43.579>things <00:31:43.706>I <00:31:43.834>quite <00:31:43.961>like <00:31:44.088>when <00:31:44.215>I <00:31:44.343>go <00:31:44.470>on <00:31:44.597>training <00:31:44.725>courses

770
00:31:45.705 --> 00:31:48.085
<00:31:45.705>or <00:31:45.905>go <00:31:46.105>to <00:31:46.304>conferences <00:31:46.504>and <00:31:46.705>not <00:31:46.905>just <00:31:47.105>hearing

771
00:31:48.085 --> 00:31:49.405
<00:31:48.085>about <00:31:48.481>the <00:31:48.877>hard <00:31:49.273>facts.

772
00:31:49.585 --> 00:31:51.965
<00:31:49.585>So <00:31:49.818>this <00:31:50.051>is <00:31:50.285>how <00:31:50.518>to <00:31:50.751>do <00:31:50.985>something.

773
00:31:52.345 --> 00:31:55.645
<00:31:52.345>I'm <00:31:52.500>also <00:31:52.656>hearing <00:31:52.811>about, <00:31:52.967>you <00:31:53.122>know, <00:31:53.278>their <00:31:53.433>experience <00:31:53.589>of <00:31:53.745>it.

774
00:31:55.705 --> 00:31:57.605
<00:31:55.705>So <00:31:55.905>going <00:31:56.105>back <00:31:56.304>to <00:31:56.504>the <00:31:56.705>Cake <00:31:56.905>talk <00:31:57.105>again,

775
00:31:58.035 --> 00:32:00.845
<00:31:58.035>they <00:31:58.190>could <00:31:58.346>probably <00:31:58.501>generate <00:31:58.657>the <00:31:58.812>code <00:31:58.968>that <00:31:59.123>I <00:31:59.279>generated <00:31:59.435>for

776
00:32:00.845 --> 00:32:01.885
<00:32:00.845>how <00:32:01.079>to <00:32:01.313>create <00:32:01.547>that <00:32:01.781>model.

777
00:32:02.295 --> 00:32:03.805
<00:32:02.295>Maybe <00:32:02.566>it <00:32:02.838>would've <00:32:03.110>been <00:32:03.382>more <00:32:03.654>successful,

778
00:32:04.265 --> 00:32:05.685
<00:32:04.265>but <00:32:04.520>they <00:32:04.776>wouldn't <00:32:05.031>have <00:32:05.287>the <00:32:05.543>journey,

779
00:32:05.685 --> 00:32:06.725
<00:32:05.685>they <00:32:05.918>wouldn't <00:32:06.153>have <00:32:06.387>the <00:32:06.620>jokes

780
00:32:06.745 --> 00:32:10.245
<00:32:06.745>and <00:32:06.872>the <00:32:06.999>humor <00:32:07.126>that <00:32:07.254>I <00:32:07.381>ended <00:32:07.508>up <00:32:07.635>putting <00:32:07.763>in <00:32:07.890>as <00:32:08.017>a <00:32:08.145>result

781
00:32:10.245 --> 00:32:11.685
<00:32:10.245>of <00:32:10.460>all <00:32:10.677>the <00:32:10.893>things <00:32:11.109>that <00:32:11.324>didn't <00:32:11.541>work

782
00:32:12.305 --> 00:32:14.485
<00:32:12.305>and <00:32:12.460>they <00:32:12.616>wouldn't <00:32:12.771>have, <00:32:12.927>you <00:32:13.082>know, <00:32:13.238>the <00:32:13.393>the <00:32:13.549>other <00:32:13.705>kind

783
00:32:14.485 --> 00:32:16.685
<00:32:14.485>of <00:32:14.685>anecdotal <00:32:14.885>stuff <00:32:15.084>that <00:32:15.284>made <00:32:15.485>the <00:32:15.685>story <00:32:15.885>genuine.

784
00:32:16.795 --> 00:32:19.285
<00:32:16.795>Like <00:32:16.922>the <00:32:17.049>fact <00:32:17.176>that <00:32:17.304>my <00:32:17.431>son <00:32:17.558>still <00:32:17.685>loves <00:32:17.813>playing <00:32:17.940>the <00:32:18.067>cake <00:32:18.195>game

785
00:32:19.285 --> 00:32:20.765
<00:32:19.285>from <00:32:19.475>time <00:32:19.665>to <00:32:19.855>time <00:32:20.046>and <00:32:20.236>will <00:32:20.426>ask <00:32:20.617>me,

786
00:32:20.765 --> 00:32:22.405
<00:32:20.765>can <00:32:20.940>I <00:32:21.115>replay <00:32:21.290>the <00:32:21.465>cake <00:32:21.640>game <00:32:21.815>that <00:32:21.990>I <00:32:22.165>built?

787
00:32:23.645 --> 00:32:26.005
<00:32:23.645>I <00:32:23.800>think <00:32:23.956>that <00:32:24.111>that's <00:32:24.267>going <00:32:24.422>to <00:32:24.578>be <00:32:24.733>missing <00:32:24.889>over <00:32:25.045>time.

788
00:32:26.345 --> 00:32:28.885
<00:32:26.345>And <00:32:26.500>maybe <00:32:26.656>that <00:32:26.811>is <00:32:26.967>something <00:32:27.122>we <00:32:27.278>need <00:32:27.433>to <00:32:27.589>think <00:32:27.745>about,

789
00:32:29.025 --> 00:32:32.885
<00:32:29.025>you <00:32:29.180>know, <00:32:29.336>modeling <00:32:29.491>like <00:32:29.647>a <00:32:29.802>kind <00:32:29.958>of <00:32:30.113>androgynous <00:32:30.269>blob <00:32:30.425>person.

790
00:32:33.155 --> 00:32:35.805
<00:32:33.155>Okay, <00:32:33.388>fine. <00:32:33.621>Fair <00:32:33.855>enough <00:32:34.088>that <00:32:34.321>if <00:32:34.555>you're,

791
00:32:35.985 --> 00:32:38.645
<00:32:35.985>if <00:32:36.185>you're <00:32:36.385>emulating <00:32:36.584>an <00:32:36.784>individual, <00:32:36.985>then <00:32:37.185>you're <00:32:37.385>kind

792
00:32:38.645 --> 00:32:41.205
<00:32:38.645>of <00:32:38.772>taking <00:32:38.899>some <00:32:39.026>of <00:32:39.154>their <00:32:39.281>work <00:32:39.408>away <00:32:39.535>If <00:32:39.663>you <00:32:39.790>think <00:32:39.917>about <00:32:40.045>it,

793
00:32:41.205 --> 00:32:42.725
<00:32:41.205>which <00:32:41.433>is <00:32:41.660>something <00:32:41.889>that <00:32:42.117>obviously <00:32:42.344>a <00:32:42.572>lot

794
00:32:42.725 --> 00:32:44.925
<00:32:42.725>of <00:32:42.899>content <00:32:43.074>creators <00:32:43.250>are, <00:32:43.425>are <00:32:43.600>worried <00:32:43.774>about, <00:32:43.949>you <00:32:44.125>know,

795
00:32:44.925 --> 00:32:46.485
<00:32:44.925>the <00:32:45.125>fact <00:32:45.325>that <00:32:45.524>their <00:32:45.725>voice <00:32:45.925>and <00:32:46.125>their <00:32:46.325>image

796
00:32:47.065 --> 00:32:49.285
<00:32:47.065>can <00:32:47.220>be <00:32:47.376>used <00:32:47.531>without <00:32:47.687>their <00:32:47.842>permission <00:32:47.998>and <00:32:48.153>that <00:32:48.309>means <00:32:48.465>that

797
00:32:49.285 --> 00:32:50.965
<00:32:49.285>therefore, <00:32:49.485>you <00:32:49.685>know, <00:32:49.885>they <00:32:50.085>don't <00:32:50.285>have <00:32:50.485>paid <00:32:50.685>work

798
00:32:50.985 --> 00:32:54.045
<00:32:50.985>as <00:32:51.159>voice <00:32:51.334>actors <00:32:51.510>or, <00:32:51.685>or <00:32:51.860>something <00:32:52.034>like <00:32:52.209>that. <00:32:52.385>Mm.

799
00:32:54.725 --> 00:32:56.085
<00:32:54.725>I <00:32:54.878>mean, <00:32:55.031>there <00:32:55.184>was <00:32:55.337>the <00:32:55.490>whole <00:32:55.643>thing <00:32:55.796>about, <00:32:55.949>uh,

800
00:32:56.175 --> 00:32:58.005
<00:32:56.175>guide <00:32:56.375>Jo <00:32:56.575>Hanson <00:32:56.774>and <00:32:56.975>the <00:32:57.175>voice <00:32:57.375>of, <00:32:57.575>uh,

801
00:32:58.005 --> 00:32:59.965
<00:32:58.005>uh, <00:32:58.355>whatever <00:32:58.705>agent <00:32:59.055>it <00:32:59.405>was.

802
00:33:00.425 --> 00:33:03.965
<00:33:00.425>And <00:33:00.625>yeah, <00:33:00.825>it's, <00:33:01.024>it's <00:33:01.225>fascinating <00:33:01.425>to <00:33:01.625>see <00:33:01.825>that,

803
00:33:04.035 --> 00:33:07.365
<00:33:04.035>that <00:33:04.210>this <00:33:04.385>is <00:33:04.560>kind <00:33:04.735>of <00:33:04.910>like <00:33:05.085>your <00:33:05.260>training <00:33:05.435>stuff.

804
00:33:07.525 --> 00:33:10.325
<00:33:07.525>I <00:33:07.700>mean, <00:33:07.875>uh, <00:33:08.050>we, <00:33:08.225>yesterday <00:33:08.400>we <00:33:08.575>talked <00:33:08.750>about <00:33:08.925>targets

805
00:33:10.385 --> 00:33:12.645
<00:33:10.385>and <00:33:10.585>uh, <00:33:10.785>that <00:33:10.985>basically <00:33:11.185>people <00:33:11.385>write <00:33:11.585>right <00:33:11.785>now

806
00:33:12.645 --> 00:33:16.085
<00:33:12.645>that <00:33:12.800>basically <00:33:12.956>if <00:33:13.111>you <00:33:13.267>LLM <00:33:13.422>comes <00:33:13.578>to <00:33:13.733>LM <00:33:13.889>bots <00:33:14.045>comes

807
00:33:16.085 --> 00:33:17.805
<00:33:16.085>to <00:33:16.318>your <00:33:16.551>site <00:33:16.785>and <00:33:17.018>starts <00:33:17.251>scraping <00:33:17.485>it

808
00:33:18.105 --> 00:33:20.365
<00:33:18.105>and <00:33:18.305>actually <00:33:18.505>doesn't <00:33:18.705>identify <00:33:18.905>as <00:33:19.105>an <00:33:19.305>LLM <00:33:19.505>bot,

809
00:33:20.385 --> 00:33:22.725
<00:33:20.385>it <00:33:20.540>actually <00:33:20.696>sends <00:33:20.851>it <00:33:21.007>to <00:33:21.162>an <00:33:21.318>endless <00:33:21.473>loop <00:33:21.629>of <00:33:21.785>nonsense.

810
00:33:23.305 --> 00:33:25.925
<00:33:23.305>So <00:33:23.480>instead <00:33:23.655>of <00:33:23.830>just <00:33:24.005>indexing <00:33:24.180>the <00:33:24.355>normal <00:33:24.530>page, <00:33:24.705>so

811
00:33:26.145 --> 00:33:28.365
<00:33:26.145>that's <00:33:26.378>something <00:33:26.611>where <00:33:26.845>people <00:33:27.078>fight <00:33:27.311>back <00:33:27.545>against

812
00:33:28.475 --> 00:33:29.845
<00:33:28.475>this <00:33:29.708>indexing.

813
00:33:30.225 --> 00:33:33.245
<00:33:30.225>Mm-hmm. <00:33:30.399>Um, <00:33:30.574>I <00:33:30.750>mean, <00:33:30.925>it, <00:33:31.100>it, <00:33:31.274>my <00:33:31.449>favorite <00:33:31.625>was,

814
00:33:33.245 --> 00:33:34.285
<00:33:33.245>there <00:33:33.432>was <00:33:33.619>a <00:33:33.806>Ted <00:33:33.993>Talk <00:33:34.181>years

815
00:33:34.445 --> 00:33:39.325
<00:33:34.445>and <00:33:34.600>years <00:33:34.756>ago <00:33:34.911>about, <00:33:35.067>um, <00:33:35.222>from <00:33:35.378>Roger <00:33:35.533>Ebert, <00:33:35.689>the <00:33:35.845>guy

816
00:33:39.325 --> 00:33:41.245
<00:33:39.325>that <00:33:39.558>the <00:33:39.791>the <00:33:40.025>film, <00:33:40.258>uh, <00:33:40.491>uh, <00:33:40.725>reviewer.

817
00:33:41.245 --> 00:33:43.165
<00:33:41.245>And <00:33:41.445>he <00:33:41.645>basically, <00:33:41.844>he <00:33:42.044>had <00:33:42.245>like <00:33:42.445>a <00:33:42.645>cancer

818
00:33:43.225 --> 00:33:44.605
<00:33:43.225>of <00:33:43.473>the <00:33:43.721>thorax <00:33:43.970>or <00:33:44.218>something <00:33:44.467>mm-hmm.

819
00:33:44.685 --> 00:33:47.165
<00:33:44.685>And <00:33:44.840>he <00:33:44.996>couldn't <00:33:45.151>speak <00:33:45.307>anymore. <00:33:45.462>So <00:33:45.618>he <00:33:45.773>asked <00:33:45.929>the <00:33:46.085>company

820
00:33:47.165 --> 00:33:49.805
<00:33:47.165>that <00:33:47.305>did <00:33:47.445>the <00:33:47.585>Siri <00:33:47.725>voices <00:33:47.865>back <00:33:48.004>then <00:33:48.145>in <00:33:48.284>Ireland, <00:33:48.425>the <00:33:48.565>company,

821
00:33:50.145 --> 00:33:51.725
<00:33:50.145>to <00:33:50.425>actually <00:33:50.705>take <00:33:50.985>all <00:33:51.264>the <00:33:51.545>footage

822
00:33:51.725 --> 00:33:53.285
<00:33:51.725>that <00:33:51.958>they <00:33:52.191>had <00:33:52.425>from <00:33:52.658>his <00:33:52.891>TV <00:33:53.125>show

823
00:33:53.385 --> 00:33:55.525
<00:33:53.385>and <00:33:53.585>make <00:33:53.785>his <00:33:53.985>iPad <00:33:54.185>talk <00:33:54.385>in <00:33:54.585>his <00:33:54.785>voice.

824
00:33:55.825 --> 00:33:58.725
<00:33:55.825>Mm-hmm. <00:33:56.000>So <00:33:56.175>that <00:33:56.350>was, <00:33:56.525>that <00:33:56.700>was <00:33:56.875>interesting <00:33:57.050>to <00:33:57.225>see.

825
00:33:58.905 --> 00:34:01.045
<00:33:58.905>We <00:33:59.045>right <00:33:59.185>now <00:33:59.325>in <00:33:59.465>the <00:33:59.605>middle <00:33:59.745>of <00:33:59.885>elections <00:34:00.024>here <00:34:00.165>in <00:34:00.305>Germany

826
00:34:01.185 --> 00:34:04.165
<00:34:01.185>and, <00:34:01.385>uh, <00:34:01.585>every, <00:34:01.784>the <00:34:01.985>big <00:34:02.185>parties <00:34:02.385>all <00:34:02.585>agreed

827
00:34:04.165 --> 00:34:06.485
<00:34:04.165>that <00:34:04.320>they're <00:34:04.476>not <00:34:04.631>going <00:34:04.787>to <00:34:04.942>use <00:34:05.098>deep <00:34:05.253>fake, <00:34:05.409>uh, <00:34:05.565>content

828
00:34:06.715 --> 00:34:09.085
<00:34:06.715>with <00:34:06.948>other <00:34:07.181>politicians <00:34:07.415>that <00:34:07.648>say <00:34:07.881>horrible <00:34:08.114>things

829
00:34:09.825 --> 00:34:12.405
<00:34:09.824>at <00:34:09.980>the <00:34:10.136>far <00:34:10.291>right <00:34:10.447>party <00:34:10.602>didn't, <00:34:10.758>uh, <00:34:10.913>stick <00:34:11.069>to <00:34:11.225>it.

830
00:34:12.405 --> 00:34:15.725
<00:34:12.405>They <00:34:12.580>actually <00:34:12.755>did <00:34:12.930>that. <00:34:13.105>And <00:34:13.280>that <00:34:13.455>feels <00:34:13.630>so <00:34:13.805>odd.

831
00:34:15.755 --> 00:34:19.805
<00:34:15.755>Like, <00:34:15.871>we <00:34:15.988>need <00:34:16.105>to <00:34:16.221>actually <00:34:16.338>find <00:34:16.455>a <00:34:16.571>way <00:34:16.688>to <00:34:16.805>get <00:34:16.921>people <00:34:17.038>more, <00:34:17.155>uh,

832
00:34:20.055 --> 00:34:21.885
<00:34:20.054>sensitized <00:34:20.754>to, <00:34:21.455>um,

833
00:34:23.045 --> 00:34:25.215
<00:34:23.045>fake <00:34:23.325>new <00:34:23.605>fake <00:34:23.885>images, <00:34:24.165>fake <00:34:24.445>news.

834
00:34:25.735 --> 00:34:28.015
<00:34:25.735>I <00:34:25.910>mean, <00:34:26.085>where <00:34:26.260>the <00:34:26.435>six <00:34:26.610>fingers, <00:34:26.785>that's <00:34:26.960>rather <00:34:27.135>obvious,

835
00:34:28.035 --> 00:34:29.415
<00:34:28.034>but <00:34:28.449>it's <00:34:28.862>getting <00:34:29.277>trickier

836
00:34:29.415 --> 00:34:33.335
<00:34:29.415>and <00:34:29.554>trickier <00:34:29.695>to <00:34:29.835>detect <00:34:29.975>the <00:34:30.114>fos <00:34:30.255>cakes <00:34:30.395>from <00:34:30.534>the <00:34:30.675>real <00:34:30.815>cakes.

837
00:34:34.005 --> 00:34:35.175
<00:34:34.005>Yeah, <00:34:35.058>absolutely.

838
00:34:35.615 --> 00:34:36.615
<00:34:35.614>I <00:34:35.915>mean, <00:34:36.214>I <00:34:36.514>see,

839
00:34:37.615 --> 00:34:39.655
<00:34:37.614>I <00:34:37.742>know <00:34:37.869>we <00:34:37.996>keep <00:34:38.124>talking <00:34:38.251>about <00:34:38.378>it's <00:34:38.505>not <00:34:38.633>all <00:34:38.760>doom <00:34:38.887>and <00:34:39.014>gloom.

840
00:34:39.655 --> 00:34:42.455
<00:34:39.655>There's <00:34:39.810>certainly <00:34:39.966>some <00:34:40.121>really <00:34:40.277>cool <00:34:40.432>things <00:34:40.588>that <00:34:40.743>it <00:34:40.899>can <00:34:41.055>do

841
00:34:42.555 --> 00:34:44.375
<00:34:42.554>and <00:34:43.021>gains <00:34:43.488>and <00:34:43.955>productivity.

842
00:34:44.575 --> 00:34:48.455
<00:34:44.574>I <00:34:44.730>think <00:34:44.886>it's <00:34:45.041>more, <00:34:45.197>I <00:34:45.352>don't <00:34:45.508>feel <00:34:45.663>like <00:34:45.819>as <00:34:45.975>humans,

843
00:34:48.545 --> 00:34:51.775
<00:34:48.545>we've <00:34:48.685>come <00:34:48.825>up <00:34:48.965>with <00:34:49.105>fair <00:34:49.245>usage <00:34:49.385>policies <00:34:49.525>of <00:34:49.665>how <00:34:49.805>we <00:34:49.945>should

844
00:34:51.775 --> 00:34:54.695
<00:34:51.775>and <00:34:52.008>shouldn't <00:34:52.241>use <00:34:52.475>this <00:34:52.708>stuff <00:34:52.941>that's <00:34:53.175>considered

845
00:34:54.695 --> 00:34:56.935
<00:34:54.695>to <00:34:54.850>be <00:34:55.006>ethically <00:34:55.161>matching <00:34:55.317>with <00:34:55.472>what <00:34:55.628>we <00:34:55.783>want <00:34:55.939>to <00:34:56.095>do.

846
00:34:57.175 --> 00:34:59.295
<00:34:57.175>I <00:34:57.330>mean, <00:34:57.486>I <00:34:57.641>didn't <00:34:57.797>know <00:34:57.952>about <00:34:58.108>the <00:34:58.263>kind <00:34:58.419>of <00:34:58.575>the,

847
00:34:59.395 --> 00:35:02.295
<00:34:59.395>the <00:34:59.570>German <00:34:59.745>election <00:34:59.920>commitment <00:35:00.095>to <00:35:00.270>not <00:35:00.445>use <00:35:00.620>these <00:35:00.795>kind

848
00:35:02.295 --> 00:35:05.015
<00:35:02.295>of <00:35:02.495>fake <00:35:02.695>generated <00:35:02.895>content, <00:35:03.095>but <00:35:03.295>I <00:35:03.495>like <00:35:03.695>that.

849
00:35:05.175 --> 00:35:06.375
<00:35:05.175>I <00:35:05.355>feel <00:35:05.535>like <00:35:05.715>that <00:35:05.895>gives <00:35:06.075>me <00:35:06.255>hope

850
00:35:06.375 --> 00:35:08.615
<00:35:06.375>of <00:35:06.608>people <00:35:06.841>realizing <00:35:07.075>there <00:35:07.308>is <00:35:07.541>a <00:35:07.775>right

851
00:35:08.615 --> 00:35:10.415
<00:35:08.615>and <00:35:08.848>wrong <00:35:09.081>way <00:35:09.314>to <00:35:09.548>use <00:35:09.781>this <00:35:10.015>tooling.

852
00:35:11.155 --> 00:35:13.175
<00:35:11.155>Um, <00:35:11.330>we <00:35:11.505>just <00:35:11.680>need <00:35:11.855>to <00:35:12.030>hope <00:35:12.205>that <00:35:12.380>that's <00:35:12.555>something

853
00:35:13.175 --> 00:35:15.215
<00:35:13.175>that <00:35:13.525>continues <00:35:13.875>to <00:35:14.225>propagate <00:35:14.575>through.

854
00:35:15.475 --> 00:35:17.455
<00:35:15.475>So <00:35:15.674>that's <00:35:15.875>a <00:35:16.075>nice <00:35:16.275>hopeful <00:35:16.475>story <00:35:16.674>at <00:35:16.875>least.

855
00:35:18.605 --> 00:35:20.135
<00:35:18.605>Well, <00:35:18.777>and <00:35:18.949>I <00:35:19.121>guess <00:35:19.293>this <00:35:19.465>is <00:35:19.637>a <00:35:19.809>good <00:35:19.982>thing

856
00:35:20.135 --> 00:35:21.295
<00:35:20.135>to <00:35:20.309>kind <00:35:20.483>of <00:35:20.657>end <00:35:20.831>on <00:35:21.005>as <00:35:21.179>well.

857
00:35:21.335 --> 00:35:22.695
<00:35:21.335>I <00:35:21.509>don't <00:35:21.684>wanna <00:35:21.859>keep <00:35:22.034>these <00:35:22.209>things <00:35:22.384>too <00:35:22.559>long.

858
00:35:23.195 --> 00:35:24.855
<00:35:23.195>It <00:35:23.428>was <00:35:23.661>great <00:35:23.895>talking <00:35:24.128>to <00:35:24.361>you <00:35:24.595>again.

859
00:35:24.925 --> 00:35:27.255
<00:35:24.925>It's <00:35:25.100>like <00:35:25.275>lots <00:35:25.450>of <00:35:25.625>insights, <00:35:25.800>lots <00:35:25.975>of <00:35:26.150>interesting <00:35:26.325>things

860
00:35:27.355 --> 00:35:30.135
<00:35:27.355>and <00:35:27.588>yeah, <00:35:27.821>it's, <00:35:28.055>uh, <00:35:28.288>uh, <00:35:28.521>it's <00:35:28.755>fascinating

861
00:35:30.155 --> 00:35:33.135
<00:35:30.155>to <00:35:30.295>work <00:35:30.435>in <00:35:30.575>a <00:35:30.715>company <00:35:30.855>that <00:35:30.995>does <00:35:31.135>search <00:35:31.275>and <00:35:31.415>AI <00:35:31.555>and,

862
00:35:33.155 --> 00:35:34.935
<00:35:33.155>and <00:35:33.355>play <00:35:33.555>with <00:35:33.755>AI <00:35:33.955>at <00:35:34.155>the <00:35:34.355>same <00:35:34.555>time.

863
00:35:35.235 --> 00:35:37.605
<00:35:35.235>Mm-hmm. <00:35:35.515>Uh, <00:35:35.795>the <00:35:36.075>market <00:35:36.355>is <00:35:36.635>interesting

864
00:35:37.605 --> 00:35:41.925
<00:35:37.605>and <00:35:37.732>I <00:35:37.859>think <00:35:37.986>as <00:35:38.114>a <00:35:38.241>final <00:35:38.368>from <00:35:38.495>me, <00:35:38.623>I, <00:35:38.750>I <00:35:38.877>was <00:35:39.005>inspired

865
00:35:41.985 --> 00:35:43.925
<00:35:41.985>to <00:35:42.265>actually <00:35:42.545>play <00:35:42.825>with <00:35:43.105>the <00:35:43.385>basics

866
00:35:43.945 --> 00:35:47.525
<00:35:43.945>and <00:35:44.120>the, <00:35:44.295>the, <00:35:44.470>the <00:35:44.645>fundamentals <00:35:44.820>again <00:35:44.995>from <00:35:45.170>your <00:35:45.345>talk.

867
00:35:47.905 --> 00:35:49.005
<00:35:47.905>Any <00:35:48.152>last <00:35:48.400>words <00:35:48.647>from <00:35:48.895>you?

868
00:35:49.625 --> 00:35:51.685
<00:35:49.625>Um, <00:35:49.825>I <00:35:50.025>guess <00:35:50.225>thanks <00:35:50.425>for <00:35:50.625>the <00:35:50.825>chat, <00:35:51.025>Chris.

869
00:35:51.785 --> 00:35:53.885
<00:35:51.785>If <00:35:52.065>anyone <00:35:52.345>wants <00:35:52.625>to <00:35:52.904>say <00:35:53.185>hi

870
00:35:53.985 --> 00:35:56.485
<00:35:53.985>and <00:35:54.160>reach <00:35:54.335>out, <00:35:54.510>I'm <00:35:54.685>on <00:35:54.860>all <00:35:55.035>the <00:35:55.210>usual <00:35:55.385>socials.

871
00:35:56.585 --> 00:36:00.445
<00:35:56.585>I'm <00:35:56.760>on <00:35:56.935>GitHub. <00:35:57.110>I'm <00:35:57.285>obviously <00:35:57.460>on <00:35:57.635>the <00:35:57.810>elastic <00:35:57.985>blogs

872
00:36:00.445 --> 00:36:03.085
<00:36:00.445>and <00:36:00.600>search <00:36:00.756>labs <00:36:00.911>as <00:36:01.067>well, <00:36:01.222>so <00:36:01.378>don't <00:36:01.533>be <00:36:01.689>a <00:36:01.845>stranger.

873
00:36:03.425 --> 00:36:06.765
<00:36:03.425>Say <00:36:03.565>hello <00:36:03.705>and <00:36:03.845>if <00:36:03.985>anyone <00:36:04.125>also <00:36:04.265>has <00:36:04.405>any <00:36:04.545>suggestions <00:36:04.685>on <00:36:04.825>how

874
00:36:06.765 --> 00:36:08.845
<00:36:06.765>to <00:36:06.892>find <00:36:07.019>the <00:36:07.146>cake <00:36:07.274>better, <00:36:07.401>I <00:36:07.528>would <00:36:07.655>love <00:36:07.783>to <00:36:07.910>hear <00:36:08.037>those <00:36:08.165>two.

875
00:36:09.975 --> 00:36:11.615
<00:36:09.975>Excellent. <00:36:10.208>Well <00:36:10.441>thank <00:36:10.674>you <00:36:10.908>very <00:36:11.141>much <00:36:11.375>Carly.

876
00:36:11.635 --> 00:36:14.215
<00:36:11.635>And, <00:36:11.810>uh, <00:36:11.985>that <00:36:12.160>was <00:36:12.335>coffee <00:36:12.510>with <00:36:12.685>developers <00:36:12.860>for <00:36:13.035>today.

877
00:36:14.595 --> 00:36:16.535
<00:36:14.595>Uh, <00:36:14.794>hopefully <00:36:14.995>I'm <00:36:15.194>not <00:36:15.395>getting <00:36:15.595>kicked <00:36:15.794>out <00:36:15.995>anymore,

878
00:36:16.595 --> 00:36:19.175
<00:36:16.595>so <00:36:16.750>the <00:36:16.906>internet <00:36:17.061>seems <00:36:17.217>to <00:36:17.372>be <00:36:17.528>having <00:36:17.683>weird <00:36:17.839>things <00:36:17.995>today.

879
00:36:19.755 --> 00:36:21.695
<00:36:19.755>So, <00:36:20.035>um, <00:36:20.315>thanks <00:36:20.595>again <00:36:20.875>for <00:36:21.155>this

880
00:36:21.955 --> 00:36:24.175
<00:36:21.955>and <00:36:22.110>I <00:36:22.266>see <00:36:22.421>you <00:36:22.577>soon <00:36:22.732>at <00:36:22.888>one <00:36:23.043>of <00:36:23.199>our <00:36:23.355>events

881
00:36:24.235 --> 00:36:26.055
<00:36:24.235>and <00:36:24.390>maybe <00:36:24.546>one <00:36:24.701>of <00:36:24.857>the <00:36:25.012>live <00:36:25.168>days <00:36:25.323>that <00:36:25.479>we <00:36:25.635>have.