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<00:16:29.845>And <00:16:30.195>I <00:16:30.545>think <00:16:30.895>that <00:16:31.245>recruiters

380
00:16:31.465 --> 00:16:34.865
<00:16:31.465>and <00:16:31.605>developers <00:16:31.745>have <00:16:31.885>had <00:16:32.025>such <00:16:32.165>a <00:16:32.305>torrid <00:16:32.445>time <00:16:32.585>in <00:16:32.725>the <00:16:32.865>past.

381
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<00:16:34.865>There's <00:16:35.040>so <00:16:35.215>much <00:16:35.390>water <00:16:35.565>that's <00:16:35.740>gone <00:16:35.915>under <00:16:36.090>the <00:16:36.265>bridge.

382
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<00:16:37.085>And <00:16:37.225>I <00:16:37.365>think <00:16:37.505>that <00:16:37.645>that <00:16:37.785>does <00:16:37.925>go <00:16:38.065>a <00:16:38.205>long <00:16:38.345>way <00:16:38.485>that

383
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<00:16:40.185>that <00:16:40.340>would <00:16:40.496>be <00:16:40.651>more <00:16:40.807>for <00:16:40.962>individual <00:16:41.118>companies, <00:16:41.273>I <00:16:41.429>would <00:16:41.584>think,

384
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<00:16:43.145>to <00:16:43.319>help <00:16:43.495>with <00:16:43.670>an <00:16:43.845>employer <00:16:44.020>branding <00:16:44.194>perspective, <00:16:44.370>is <00:16:44.545>that,

385
00:16:45.985 --> 00:16:48.185
<00:16:45.985>you <00:16:46.140>know, <00:16:46.296>make <00:16:46.451>sure <00:16:46.607>the <00:16:46.762>good <00:16:46.918>content <00:16:47.073>gets <00:16:47.229>out <00:16:47.385>there.

386
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<00:16:48.185>They've <00:16:48.388>got <00:16:48.593>a <00:16:48.796>lot <00:16:49.001>of <00:16:49.204>social <00:16:49.409>proof,

387
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<00:16:49.545>they've <00:16:49.742>got <00:16:49.941>a <00:16:50.139>lot <00:16:50.337>of <00:16:50.535>good <00:16:50.733>videos.

388
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<00:16:51.445>You <00:16:51.725>know, <00:16:52.005>those <00:16:52.285>things <00:16:52.565>are <00:16:52.845>important.

389
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<00:16:53.525>And, <00:16:53.875>um, <00:16:54.225>you <00:16:54.574>know, <00:16:54.925>if

390
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<00:16:55.105>that's <00:16:55.489>falls <00:16:55.873>under <00:16:56.257>developer

391
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<00:16:56.385>relations, <00:16:56.817>then <00:16:57.249>that's <00:16:57.681>brilliant.

392
00:16:58.205 --> 00:17:02.565
<00:16:58.205>Um, <00:16:58.312>you <00:16:58.420>know, <00:16:58.528>it, <00:16:58.635>it <00:16:58.743>could <00:16:58.851>be <00:16:58.958>someone <00:16:59.066>even <00:16:59.174>sits <00:16:59.281>in <00:16:59.389>a <00:16:59.497>TA <00:16:59.605>team

393
00:17:02.585 --> 00:17:04.445
<00:17:02.585>who <00:17:02.818>does <00:17:03.051>that, <00:17:03.285>who <00:17:03.518>understands <00:17:03.751>social <00:17:03.985>media

394
00:17:04.745 --> 00:17:07.005
<00:17:04.744>and <00:17:04.944>putting <00:17:05.145>the <00:17:05.344>company <00:17:05.544>in <00:17:05.744>a <00:17:05.944>positive <00:17:06.145>life.

395
00:17:07.005 --> 00:17:08.365
<00:17:07.005>But <00:17:07.179>I, <00:17:07.354>I <00:17:07.529>think <00:17:07.704>it's <00:17:07.879>a <00:17:08.054>great <00:17:08.229>idea

396
00:17:08.465 --> 00:17:09.725
<00:17:08.464>and <00:17:08.627>we <00:17:08.789>need <00:17:08.951>to <00:17:09.112>see <00:17:09.274>more <00:17:09.436>of <00:17:09.598>it.

397
00:17:10.595 --> 00:17:14.135
<00:17:10.595>Mm-hmm. <00:17:10.735>If <00:17:10.875>I, <00:17:11.015>if <00:17:11.155>I <00:17:11.295>come <00:17:11.435>back <00:17:11.575>to, <00:17:11.714>to <00:17:11.855>diversity <00:17:11.995>mean,

398
00:17:14.135 --> 00:17:15.935
<00:17:14.135>what <00:17:14.290>we <00:17:14.446>see, <00:17:14.601>we <00:17:14.757>do <00:17:14.912>a <00:17:15.068>Bix <00:17:15.223>away <00:17:15.379>every <00:17:15.535>year,

399
00:17:15.955 --> 00:17:19.255
<00:17:15.954>and <00:17:16.071>we <00:17:16.188>see <00:17:16.304>what <00:17:16.421>we <00:17:16.538>saw <00:17:16.655>over <00:17:16.771>the <00:17:16.888>last <00:17:17.004>couple <00:17:17.121>of <00:17:17.238>years, <00:17:17.355>uh,

400
00:17:19.515 --> 00:17:22.295
<00:17:19.515>in <00:17:19.670>the <00:17:19.826>outcomes <00:17:19.981>and <00:17:20.137>the <00:17:20.292>results <00:17:20.448>of <00:17:20.603>this <00:17:20.759>surveys <00:17:20.915>was

401
00:17:22.295 --> 00:17:25.895
<00:17:22.295>that <00:17:22.435>in <00:17:22.575>2019, <00:17:22.715>it <00:17:22.855>was <00:17:22.995>mainly <00:17:23.135>the <00:17:23.275>brand <00:17:23.415>which <00:17:23.555>was <00:17:23.695>important

402
00:17:26.035 --> 00:17:28.575
<00:17:26.035>for <00:17:26.235>get, <00:17:26.435>for <00:17:26.635>hiring <00:17:26.835>developers <00:17:27.035>and <00:17:27.235>was <00:17:27.435>salary.

403
00:17:28.805 --> 00:17:31.655
<00:17:28.805>Yeah. <00:17:29.038>And <00:17:29.271>now <00:17:29.505>it, <00:17:29.738>that <00:17:29.971>really <00:17:30.205>changed.

404
00:17:31.795 --> 00:17:35.575
<00:17:31.795>And <00:17:31.950>it, <00:17:32.106>it's <00:17:32.261>totally <00:17:32.417>moving <00:17:32.572>into <00:17:32.728>a <00:17:32.883>direction <00:17:33.039>of <00:17:33.195>diversity,

405
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<00:17:35.715>sustainability, <00:17:37.115>wellbeing.

406
00:17:38.475 --> 00:17:40.655
<00:17:38.475>That's <00:17:38.754>good <00:17:39.034>to <00:17:39.314>Know. <00:17:39.594>And <00:17:39.875>inclusion.

407
00:17:41.115 --> 00:17:44.935
<00:17:41.115>So <00:17:41.231>I <00:17:41.348>think <00:17:41.465>that's <00:17:41.581>really <00:17:41.698>on <00:17:41.815>the, <00:17:41.931>on <00:17:42.048>the <00:17:42.165>top <00:17:42.281>of <00:17:42.398>the <00:17:42.515>agenda

408
00:17:44.995 --> 00:17:47.695
<00:17:44.995>of <00:17:45.169>the <00:17:45.344>people <00:17:45.520>out <00:17:45.695>there <00:17:45.870>if <00:17:46.044>they <00:17:46.219>asked, <00:17:46.395>okay,

409
00:17:47.955 --> 00:17:49.285
<00:17:47.955>for <00:17:48.154>whom <00:17:48.354>do <00:17:48.553>you <00:17:48.753>want <00:17:48.952>to <00:17:49.152>work?

410
00:17:49.385 --> 00:17:52.165
<00:17:49.385>So <00:17:49.512>this <00:17:49.639>is <00:17:49.766>really <00:17:49.894>focused <00:17:50.021>topic, <00:17:50.148>and <00:17:50.275>I, <00:17:50.403>I <00:17:50.530>really <00:17:50.657>love <00:17:50.785>that

411
00:17:52.165 --> 00:17:55.085
<00:17:52.165>because <00:17:52.398>it, <00:17:52.631>it <00:17:52.865>brings <00:17:53.098>a, <00:17:53.331>a <00:17:53.565>kind

412
00:17:55.085 --> 00:17:57.045
<00:17:55.085>of <00:17:55.260>a <00:17:55.435>new <00:17:55.610>fairness <00:17:55.785>on <00:17:55.960>the <00:17:56.135>market <00:17:56.310>as <00:17:56.485>well

413
00:17:57.045 --> 00:17:58.925
<00:17:57.045>because <00:17:57.745>in <00:17:58.445>2019,

414
00:17:58.945 --> 00:18:01.205
<00:17:58.945>it <00:17:59.100>was <00:17:59.256>the <00:17:59.411>big <00:17:59.567>brands <00:17:59.722>everybody <00:17:59.878>wanted <00:18:00.033>to <00:18:00.189>work <00:18:00.345>for.

415
00:18:01.205 --> 00:18:02.445
<00:18:01.205>The <00:18:01.484>Googles <00:18:01.763>and <00:18:02.042>the <00:18:02.321>Lando

416
00:18:02.445 --> 00:18:03.845
<00:18:02.445>and <00:18:02.602>all <00:18:02.760>the <00:18:02.917>big <00:18:03.075>ones <00:18:03.232>out <00:18:03.390>in <00:18:03.547>the <00:18:03.705>market.

417
00:18:03.845 --> 00:18:06.565
<00:18:03.845>Yes. <00:18:03.972>So <00:18:04.099>the <00:18:04.226>big <00:18:04.354>brand <00:18:04.481>names <00:18:04.608>with <00:18:04.735>a <00:18:04.863>kind <00:18:04.990>of <00:18:05.117>a <00:18:05.245>lot

418
00:18:06.565 --> 00:18:07.725
<00:18:06.565>of <00:18:06.826>money <00:18:07.087>in <00:18:07.348>the <00:18:07.609>pockets.

419
00:18:08.445 --> 00:18:10.765
<00:18:08.445>'cause <00:18:08.678>otherwise <00:18:08.911>they <00:18:09.145>probably <00:18:09.378>wouldn't <00:18:09.611>have <00:18:09.845>managed

420
00:18:10.765 --> 00:18:14.885
<00:18:10.765>to <00:18:10.998>have <00:18:11.231>this <00:18:11.465>brand <00:18:11.698>with <00:18:11.931>sustainability, <00:18:12.165>diversion,

421
00:18:14.955 --> 00:18:16.885
<00:18:14.955>inclusion, <00:18:16.355>wellbeing.

422
00:18:17.085 --> 00:18:19.205
<00:18:17.085>I <00:18:17.285>think <00:18:17.485>a <00:18:17.685>lot <00:18:17.885>of <00:18:18.085>smaller <00:18:18.285>companies <00:18:18.485>have

423
00:18:19.205 --> 00:18:20.365
<00:18:19.205>got <00:18:19.553>better <00:18:19.901>cards <00:18:20.249>now.

424
00:18:20.525 --> 00:18:23.005
<00:18:20.525>I <00:18:20.680>think <00:18:20.836>therefore <00:18:20.991>they <00:18:21.147>are <00:18:21.302>probably <00:18:21.458>have <00:18:21.613>a <00:18:21.769>big <00:18:21.925>advantage

425
00:18:23.005 --> 00:18:26.365
<00:18:23.005>because <00:18:23.205>they <00:18:23.405>can <00:18:23.605>implement <00:18:23.805>this <00:18:24.005>kind <00:18:24.205>of <00:18:24.405>culture

426
00:18:27.485 --> 00:18:31.565
<00:18:27.485>cultural <00:18:27.659>elements <00:18:27.834>much <00:18:28.010>faster <00:18:28.185>than, <00:18:28.360>than, <00:18:28.534>than <00:18:28.709>big <00:18:28.885>ones.

427
00:18:32.385 --> 00:18:35.485
<00:18:32.385>And <00:18:32.585>what, <00:18:32.785>what, <00:18:32.985>what's <00:18:33.185>your <00:18:33.385>take <00:18:33.585>on <00:18:33.785>this?

428
00:18:35.485 --> 00:18:37.765
<00:18:35.485>That's <00:18:35.640>the <00:18:35.796>first <00:18:35.951>question. <00:18:36.107>The <00:18:36.262>second <00:18:36.418>question <00:18:36.573>is <00:18:36.729>if <00:18:36.885>you

429
00:18:37.765 --> 00:18:39.845
<00:18:37.765>want <00:18:37.998>to <00:18:38.231>get <00:18:38.465>into <00:18:38.698>kind <00:18:38.931>of <00:18:39.165>diversity

430
00:18:40.385 --> 00:18:44.765
<00:18:40.385>and <00:18:40.665>sourcing <00:18:40.945>diverse <00:18:41.225>talents, <00:18:41.504>I <00:18:41.785>mean,

431
00:18:44.845 --> 00:18:47.685
<00:18:44.845>everybody's <00:18:45.045>putting <00:18:45.245>it <00:18:45.445>on <00:18:45.645>this <00:18:45.845>agenda, <00:18:46.045>it's <00:18:46.245>everywhere.

432
00:18:47.685 --> 00:18:49.965
<00:18:47.685>Everybody <00:18:47.885>has <00:18:48.085>got <00:18:48.284>this <00:18:48.485>in <00:18:48.685>his <00:18:48.885>probably <00:18:49.085>wish

433
00:18:50.065 --> 00:18:51.805
<00:18:50.065>and <00:18:50.345>mission <00:18:50.625>statements <00:18:50.905>in <00:18:51.185>the <00:18:51.465>meantime.

434
00:18:52.705 --> 00:18:54.085
<00:18:52.705>And <00:18:53.119>on <00:18:53.533>cultural, <00:18:53.947>whats,

435
00:18:54.085 --> 00:18:56.685
<00:18:54.085>but <00:18:54.285>how, <00:18:54.485>how, <00:18:54.685>how <00:18:54.885>could <00:18:55.085>you <00:18:55.285>measure <00:18:55.485>it?

436
00:18:56.685 --> 00:18:59.205
<00:18:56.685>What <00:18:56.825>is <00:18:56.965>the <00:18:57.105>key <00:18:57.245>metrics <00:18:57.385>that <00:18:57.524>you <00:18:57.665>probably <00:18:57.804>need <00:18:57.945>to <00:18:58.085>implement

437
00:18:59.305 --> 00:19:01.925
<00:18:59.305>as <00:18:59.480>well <00:18:59.655>to <00:18:59.830>show <00:19:00.005>that <00:19:00.180>it's <00:19:00.355>really <00:19:00.530>proofed <00:19:00.705>and,

438
00:19:01.945 --> 00:19:04.005
<00:19:01.945>and <00:19:02.145>to, <00:19:02.345>sorry <00:19:02.544>for <00:19:02.745>this <00:19:02.945>long <00:19:03.145>question <00:19:03.345>now.

439
00:19:06.755 --> 00:19:08.165
<00:19:06.755>Okay, <00:19:06.966>Melissa, <00:19:07.178>that <00:19:07.389>is <00:19:07.601>a <00:19:07.812>long <00:19:08.024>question,

440
00:19:08.185 --> 00:19:09.565
<00:19:08.185>so <00:19:08.340>let <00:19:08.495>me <00:19:08.650>see <00:19:08.806>if <00:19:08.961>I <00:19:09.116>can <00:19:09.271>answer <00:19:09.427>it.

441
00:19:09.625 --> 00:19:11.445
<00:19:09.625>So <00:19:09.858>I'm <00:19:10.091>very <00:19:10.325>glad <00:19:10.558>to <00:19:10.791>hear <00:19:11.025>that

442
00:19:11.445 --> 00:19:15.365
<00:19:11.445>because <00:19:11.620>anyone <00:19:11.794>who's <00:19:11.970>got, <00:19:12.145>uh, <00:19:12.320>access <00:19:12.495>to <00:19:12.669>latest <00:19:12.845>news

443
00:19:15.365 --> 00:19:16.605
<00:19:15.365>or <00:19:15.644>media <00:19:15.923>these <00:19:16.202>days <00:19:16.481>know

444
00:19:16.605 --> 00:19:18.605
<00:19:16.605>that <00:19:16.745>there's <00:19:16.885>a <00:19:17.025>massive <00:19:17.165>drive <00:19:17.305>at <00:19:17.445>the <00:19:17.585>US <00:19:17.725>at <00:19:17.865>the <00:19:18.005>moment

445
00:19:19.065 --> 00:19:20.645
<00:19:19.065>to <00:19:19.345>actually <00:19:19.625>get <00:19:19.905>rid <00:19:20.185>of <00:19:20.465>DENR.

446
00:19:20.645 --> 00:19:22.765
<00:19:20.645>And <00:19:20.845>it's <00:19:21.045>now <00:19:21.245>been <00:19:21.445>taken <00:19:21.645>out <00:19:21.845>of <00:19:22.045>policies

447
00:19:22.845 --> 00:19:25.245
<00:19:22.845>and <00:19:23.020>a <00:19:23.195>lot <00:19:23.370>of <00:19:23.545>massive <00:19:23.720>organizations <00:19:23.895>in <00:19:24.070>the <00:19:24.245>us.

448
00:19:25.945 --> 00:19:29.765
<00:19:25.945>So <00:19:26.072>I <00:19:26.199>think <00:19:26.326>what <00:19:26.454>that <00:19:26.581>is <00:19:26.708>causing <00:19:26.835>is <00:19:26.963>it's <00:19:27.090>causing <00:19:27.217>the <00:19:27.345>rest

449
00:19:29.765 --> 00:19:31.325
<00:19:29.765>of <00:19:29.998>the <00:19:30.231>world <00:19:30.465>to <00:19:30.698>actually <00:19:30.931>sit <00:19:31.165>up

450
00:19:31.345 --> 00:19:34.525
<00:19:31.345>and <00:19:31.520>say, <00:19:31.695>you <00:19:31.870>know, <00:19:32.045>what <00:19:32.220>de <00:19:32.395>uh, <00:19:32.570>de <00:19:32.745>de

451
00:19:34.625 --> 00:19:36.005
<00:19:34.625>and <00:19:34.873>r <00:19:35.121>had <00:19:35.370>actually <00:19:35.618>quietened <00:19:35.867>down.

452
00:19:36.505 --> 00:19:39.245
<00:19:36.505>But <00:19:36.632>now <00:19:36.759>that <00:19:36.886>the <00:19:37.014>US <00:19:37.141>is <00:19:37.268>banning <00:19:37.395>it, <00:19:37.523>it's <00:19:37.650>made <00:19:37.777>a <00:19:37.905>lot

453
00:19:39.245 --> 00:19:41.085
<00:19:39.245>of <00:19:39.400>people <00:19:39.556>in <00:19:39.711>the <00:19:39.867>rest <00:19:40.022>of <00:19:40.178>the <00:19:40.333>world <00:19:40.489>sit <00:19:40.645>up

454
00:19:41.085 --> 00:19:43.845
<00:19:41.085>and <00:19:41.225>say, <00:19:41.365>actually, <00:19:41.505>we <00:19:41.645>are <00:19:41.785>gonna <00:19:41.925>work <00:19:42.065>harder <00:19:42.205>at <00:19:42.345>getting <00:19:42.485>our

455
00:19:43.865 --> 00:19:46.805
<00:19:43.865>de <00:19:44.020>and <00:19:44.176>r <00:19:44.331>up <00:19:44.487>because <00:19:44.642>we've <00:19:44.798>got <00:19:44.953>a <00:19:45.109>whole <00:19:45.265>nation,

456
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<00:19:47.045>a <00:19:47.200>whole <00:19:47.356>continent <00:19:47.511>sitting, <00:19:47.667>you <00:19:47.822>know, <00:19:47.978>on <00:19:48.133>the <00:19:48.289>other <00:19:48.445>side

457
00:19:49.565 --> 00:19:51.565
<00:19:49.565>of <00:19:49.720>the <00:19:49.876>world <00:19:50.031>that <00:19:50.187>isn't <00:19:50.342>going <00:19:50.498>to <00:19:50.653>focus <00:19:50.809>on <00:19:50.965>this.

458
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<00:19:52.585>So <00:19:52.712>I'm <00:19:52.839>really <00:19:52.966>glad <00:19:53.094>to <00:19:53.221>see <00:19:53.348>that <00:19:53.475>it's <00:19:53.603>kind <00:19:53.730>of <00:19:53.857>raised, <00:19:53.985>its,

459
00:19:55.715 --> 00:19:57.285
<00:19:55.715>it's <00:19:55.915>kind <00:19:56.115>of <00:19:56.314>head <00:19:56.514>again <00:19:56.715>because <00:19:56.915>it <00:19:57.115>did

460
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<00:19:57.285>go <00:19:57.501>quiet <00:19:57.717>for <00:19:57.933>a <00:19:58.149>long <00:19:58.365>time.

461
00:19:58.685 --> 00:20:00.845
<00:19:58.685>I <00:19:58.860>think <00:19:59.034>ar <00:19:59.210>you <00:19:59.385>know, <00:19:59.560>made <00:19:59.735>sure <00:19:59.909>that <00:20:00.085>de

462
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<00:20:00.985>and <00:20:01.186>I <00:20:01.387>say <00:20:01.588>it <00:20:01.789>in <00:20:01.990>the <00:20:02.191>background,

463
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<00:20:03.105>but <00:20:03.471>for <00:20:03.837>me <00:20:04.203>it's,

464
00:20:04.515 --> 00:20:07.685
<00:20:04.515>it's <00:20:04.748>about <00:20:04.981>being <00:20:05.215>an <00:20:05.448>inclusive <00:20:05.681>organization <00:20:05.915>first.

465
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<00:20:08.145>So <00:20:08.345>it's <00:20:08.545>about <00:20:08.745>looking <00:20:08.945>at <00:20:09.145>your <00:20:09.345>current <00:20:09.545>staff.

466
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<00:20:10.625>Nobody <00:20:10.908>wants <00:20:11.192>to <00:20:11.475>be <00:20:11.759>first.

467
00:20:11.945 --> 00:20:15.605
<00:20:11.945>So <00:20:12.072>if <00:20:12.199>you <00:20:12.326>are <00:20:12.454>looking <00:20:12.581>to <00:20:12.708>get, <00:20:12.835>you <00:20:12.963>know, <00:20:13.090>higher, <00:20:13.217>um, <00:20:13.345>uh,

468
00:20:15.605 --> 00:20:19.285
<00:20:15.605>people <00:20:15.838>who <00:20:16.071>come <00:20:16.305>from <00:20:16.538>say, <00:20:16.771>minority <00:20:17.005>environments,

469
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<00:20:19.865>you <00:20:20.005>gotta <00:20:20.145>make <00:20:20.285>sure <00:20:20.425>that <00:20:20.565>there <00:20:20.705>are <00:20:20.845>people <00:20:20.985>with, <00:20:21.125>you <00:20:21.265>know,

470
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<00:20:22.305>who <00:20:22.585>are <00:20:22.865>coming <00:20:23.145>from <00:20:23.425>minority <00:20:23.705>environments

471
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<00:20:24.225>or <00:20:24.399>hire <00:20:24.574>a <00:20:24.750>group <00:20:24.925>of <00:20:25.100>people <00:20:25.274>to <00:20:25.449>begin <00:20:25.625>with

472
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<00:20:26.505>or <00:20:26.680>go <00:20:26.855>out <00:20:27.030>there, <00:20:27.205>find <00:20:27.380>communities <00:20:27.555>and <00:20:27.730>sponsor <00:20:27.905>communities.

473
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<00:20:30.785>So <00:20:30.960>for <00:20:31.135>example, <00:20:31.310>if <00:20:31.485>you <00:20:31.660>now <00:20:31.835>sitting <00:20:32.010>in <00:20:32.185>Europe,

474
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<00:20:33.095>maybe <00:20:33.250>there's <00:20:33.406>a <00:20:33.561>community <00:20:33.717>for <00:20:33.872>people <00:20:34.028>that <00:20:34.183>have <00:20:34.339>got, <00:20:34.495>um,

475
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<00:20:36.675>come <00:20:37.086>from <00:20:37.497>other <00:20:37.908>nations,

476
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<00:20:38.075>come <00:20:38.355>from <00:20:38.635>North <00:20:38.915>Africa <00:20:39.195>or <00:20:39.475>something.

477
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<00:20:40.195>Okay, <00:20:40.428>that's <00:20:40.661>a <00:20:40.895>whole <00:20:41.128>community <00:20:41.361>of <00:20:41.595>people.

478
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<00:20:42.055>Let's <00:20:42.319>bring <00:20:42.584>them <00:20:42.848>into <00:20:43.113>the <00:20:43.378>organization,

479
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<00:20:43.575>let's <00:20:43.855>sponsor <00:20:44.135>them <00:20:44.415>from <00:20:44.695>the <00:20:44.975>outside.

480
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<00:20:45.695>Let's <00:20:45.927>see <00:20:46.159>how <00:20:46.392>we <00:20:46.625>can <00:20:46.857>uplift <00:20:47.090>them.

481
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<00:20:47.545>And <00:20:47.685>then <00:20:47.825>when <00:20:47.965>we <00:20:48.105>get <00:20:48.245>to <00:20:48.385>the <00:20:48.525>end <00:20:48.665>of <00:20:48.805>the <00:20:48.945>program,

482
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<00:20:49.305>we <00:20:49.505>can <00:20:49.705>bring <00:20:49.905>the <00:20:50.105>best <00:20:50.305>people <00:20:50.505>on <00:20:50.705>board.

483
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<00:20:51.785>So <00:20:52.018>I <00:20:52.251>definitely <00:20:52.485>think <00:20:52.718>that <00:20:52.951>it's <00:20:53.185>something

484
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<00:20:53.925>that <00:20:54.126>we <00:20:54.328>should <00:20:54.529>all <00:20:54.731>be <00:20:54.933>doing

485
00:20:55.045 --> 00:20:57.485
<00:20:55.045>and <00:20:55.172>we <00:20:55.299>should <00:20:55.426>all <00:20:55.554>be <00:20:55.681>doing <00:20:55.808>it <00:20:55.935>for <00:20:56.063>the, <00:20:56.190>the <00:20:56.317>right <00:20:56.445>reasons.

486
00:20:58.225 --> 00:21:00.325
<00:20:58.225>Um, <00:20:58.399>your <00:20:58.574>last <00:20:58.750>question <00:20:58.925>there <00:20:59.100>was <00:20:59.274>how <00:20:59.449>would <00:20:59.625>we,

487
00:21:00.425 --> 00:21:03.085
<00:21:00.425>we <00:21:00.580>measure <00:21:00.736>this, <00:21:00.891>and <00:21:01.047>I <00:21:01.202>think <00:21:01.358>it's <00:21:01.513>you <00:21:01.669>measure <00:21:01.825>de

488
00:21:03.265 --> 00:21:05.445
<00:21:03.265>and <00:21:03.498>r <00:21:03.731>by <00:21:03.965>understanding <00:21:04.198>your <00:21:04.431>company <00:21:04.665>culture

489
00:21:05.985 --> 00:21:09.085
<00:21:05.985>and <00:21:06.112>seeing <00:21:06.239>how <00:21:06.366>eager <00:21:06.494>people <00:21:06.621>are <00:21:06.748>to <00:21:06.875>come <00:21:07.003>and <00:21:07.130>work <00:21:07.257>for <00:21:07.385>you

490
00:21:09.225 --> 00:21:10.805
<00:21:09.225>and, <00:21:09.425>and <00:21:09.625>having <00:21:09.824>a <00:21:10.024>look <00:21:10.225>at <00:21:10.425>your <00:21:10.625>workforce.

491
00:21:11.305 --> 00:21:13.645
<00:21:11.305>You <00:21:11.445>know, <00:21:11.585>where <00:21:11.725>a <00:21:11.865>lot <00:21:12.005>of <00:21:12.145>people <00:21:12.285>rely <00:21:12.425>on, <00:21:12.565>you <00:21:12.705>know,

492
00:21:13.655 --> 00:21:16.125
<00:21:13.655>stock <00:21:13.830>standard <00:21:14.004>images <00:21:14.180>when <00:21:14.355>they <00:21:14.530>talk <00:21:14.705>about <00:21:14.879>their <00:21:15.055>company

493
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<00:21:16.185>to <00:21:16.379>put <00:21:16.574>on <00:21:16.770>their <00:21:16.965>website <00:21:17.159>and <00:21:17.355>their

494
00:21:17.485 --> 00:21:18.885
<00:21:17.485>socials, <00:21:17.736>you <00:21:17.989>know, <00:21:18.241>that <00:21:18.493>doesn't <00:21:18.745>work.

495
00:21:19.065 --> 00:21:21.565
<00:21:19.065>You <00:21:19.220>know, <00:21:19.376>get <00:21:19.531>some <00:21:19.687>real <00:21:19.842>photographs <00:21:19.998>of <00:21:20.153>people <00:21:20.309>that <00:21:20.465>work

496
00:21:21.565 --> 00:21:24.165
<00:21:21.565>for <00:21:21.740>your <00:21:21.915>organization <00:21:22.090>and, <00:21:22.265>and <00:21:22.440>put <00:21:22.615>them <00:21:22.790>out <00:21:22.965>there

497
00:21:24.165 --> 00:21:25.725
<00:21:24.165>and <00:21:24.340>share, <00:21:24.514>you <00:21:24.690>know, <00:21:24.865>it's <00:21:25.040>not <00:21:25.215>something <00:21:25.389>you <00:21:25.565>should

498
00:21:25.725 --> 00:21:28.285
<00:21:25.725>consciously <00:21:25.925>be <00:21:26.125>doing, <00:21:26.324>but <00:21:26.524>that <00:21:26.725>will <00:21:26.925>show <00:21:27.125>people

499
00:21:28.545 --> 00:21:29.845
<00:21:28.545>how <00:21:28.837>diverse <00:21:29.130>you <00:21:29.422>really <00:21:29.715>are.

500
00:21:30.805 --> 00:21:33.465
<00:21:30.805>Mm-hmm. <00:21:31.005>What <00:21:31.205>do <00:21:31.405>you <00:21:31.605>think <00:21:31.805>about <00:21:32.005>real <00:21:32.205>talks?

501
00:21:33.585 --> 00:21:36.265
<00:21:33.585>I <00:21:33.712>mean, <00:21:33.839>there's <00:21:33.966>a <00:21:34.094>kind <00:21:34.221>of, <00:21:34.348>some <00:21:34.475>companies <00:21:34.603>are <00:21:34.730>trying <00:21:34.857>it <00:21:34.985>out.

502
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<00:21:36.265>There's <00:21:36.440>always <00:21:36.615>big <00:21:36.790>discussion <00:21:36.965>against <00:21:37.140>the <00:21:37.315>board, <00:21:37.490>of <00:21:37.665>course,

503
00:21:38.545 --> 00:21:43.025
<00:21:38.545>because <00:21:38.685>it <00:21:38.825>means, <00:21:38.965>uh, <00:21:39.105>people <00:21:39.245>can <00:21:39.385>really <00:21:39.525>say <00:21:39.665>what <00:21:39.805>they <00:21:39.945>think.

504
00:21:43.205 --> 00:21:46.065
<00:21:43.205>Uh, <00:21:43.438>did, <00:21:43.671>did <00:21:43.905>you <00:21:44.138>think <00:21:44.371>it <00:21:44.605>helps?

505
00:21:47.385 --> 00:21:48.625
<00:21:47.385>I <00:21:47.608>think <00:21:47.831>in <00:21:48.054>the <00:21:48.277>right <00:21:48.501>environment

506
00:21:48.645 --> 00:21:51.345
<00:21:48.645>and <00:21:48.800>if <00:21:48.956>you <00:21:49.111>have <00:21:49.267>the <00:21:49.422>right <00:21:49.578>controls <00:21:49.733>in <00:21:49.889>place, <00:21:50.045>um,

507
00:21:51.455 --> 00:21:53.185
<00:21:51.455>there's <00:21:51.629>also <00:21:51.804>a <00:21:51.980>lot <00:21:52.155>of <00:21:52.330>things <00:21:52.504>that <00:21:52.679>I <00:21:52.855>think

508
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<00:21:53.185>that <00:21:53.534>businesses <00:21:53.885>think <00:21:54.235>they <00:21:54.585>can

509
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<00:21:54.745>solve, <00:21:54.987>but <00:21:55.231>they <00:21:55.474>actually <00:21:55.717>can't.

510
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<00:21:55.825>It <00:21:56.000>comes <00:21:56.175>down <00:21:56.350>to <00:21:56.525>a <00:21:56.700>government, <00:21:56.875>it <00:21:57.050>comes <00:21:57.225>down

511
00:21:57.705 --> 00:21:59.305
<00:21:57.705>to <00:21:58.405>government <00:21:59.105>policies,

512
00:21:59.315 --> 00:22:01.105
<00:21:59.315>government <00:21:59.595>laws, <00:21:59.875>those <00:22:00.155>kind <00:22:00.435>of <00:22:00.715>things.

513
00:22:01.125 --> 00:22:03.385
<00:22:01.125>And <00:22:01.265>I <00:22:01.405>think <00:22:01.545>there <00:22:01.685>needs <00:22:01.825>to <00:22:01.965>be <00:22:02.105>a <00:22:02.245>clear <00:22:02.385>distinction <00:22:02.525>between

514
00:22:03.815 --> 00:22:05.105
<00:22:03.815>what <00:22:04.008>can <00:22:04.202>we <00:22:04.395>do <00:22:04.589>as <00:22:04.782>a <00:22:04.976>business

515
00:22:05.565 --> 00:22:07.625
<00:22:05.565>and <00:22:05.720>what <00:22:05.876>do <00:22:06.031>we <00:22:06.187>actually <00:22:06.342>need <00:22:06.498>to <00:22:06.653>change <00:22:06.809>at <00:22:06.965>a,

516
00:22:07.625 --> 00:22:10.505
<00:22:07.625>at <00:22:07.825>a <00:22:08.025>country <00:22:08.225>governing <00:22:08.425>law <00:22:08.625>kind <00:22:08.825>of <00:22:09.025>perspective,

517
00:22:10.805 --> 00:22:13.945
<00:22:10.805>and <00:22:10.945>tackle <00:22:11.085>the <00:22:11.225>ones <00:22:11.365>that <00:22:11.505>you <00:22:11.645>can <00:22:11.785>fix <00:22:11.925>as <00:22:12.065>a <00:22:12.205>business.

518
00:22:14.485 --> 00:22:17.025
<00:22:14.485>Um, <00:22:14.612>and <00:22:14.739>if <00:22:14.866>you <00:22:14.994>are <00:22:15.121>gonna <00:22:15.248>go <00:22:15.375>into <00:22:15.503>these <00:22:15.630>real <00:22:15.757>talks <00:22:15.885>kind

519
00:22:17.025 --> 00:22:20.345
<00:22:17.025>of <00:22:17.225>situations, <00:22:17.425>have <00:22:17.625>a <00:22:17.825>very <00:22:18.025>clear <00:22:18.225>objective <00:22:18.425>of

520
00:22:20.345 --> 00:22:21.345
<00:22:20.345>what <00:22:20.525>are <00:22:20.705>you <00:22:20.885>trying <00:22:21.065>to <00:22:21.245>achieve?

521
00:22:21.495 --> 00:22:23.025
<00:22:21.495>Because <00:22:21.770>you <00:22:22.045>can <00:22:22.321>go <00:22:22.596>off <00:22:22.872>topic

522
00:22:23.165 --> 00:22:25.305
<00:22:23.165>and <00:22:23.340>you <00:22:23.514>can <00:22:23.690>go <00:22:23.865>down <00:22:24.040>rabbit <00:22:24.215>holes <00:22:24.389>and <00:22:24.565>it,

523
00:22:25.305 --> 00:22:27.385
<00:22:25.305>and <00:22:25.460>to <00:22:25.616>be <00:22:25.771>honest, <00:22:25.927>it <00:22:26.082>can <00:22:26.238>get <00:22:26.393>nasty <00:22:26.549>quite <00:22:26.705>quickly.

524
00:22:27.725 --> 00:22:31.695
<00:22:27.725>Mm-hmm. <00:22:28.004>Uh, <00:22:28.284>totally <00:22:28.564>different <00:22:28.844>direction <00:22:29.125>now

525
00:22:31.695 --> 00:22:33.975
<00:22:31.695>because, <00:22:31.870>uh, <00:22:32.044>when <00:22:32.220>I, <00:22:32.395>when <00:22:32.570>I <00:22:32.745>came <00:22:32.919>into <00:22:33.095>hr,

526
00:22:34.095 --> 00:22:37.415
<00:22:34.095>I <00:22:34.270>think <00:22:34.445>it <00:22:34.620>was <00:22:34.795>in <00:22:34.970>2000 <00:22:35.145>14, <00:22:35.320>13, <00:22:35.495>14,

527
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<00:22:37.415>somewhere <00:22:37.726>around <00:22:38.039>this <00:22:38.351>time.

528
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<00:22:38.555>So <00:22:38.671>it <00:22:38.788>was <00:22:38.905>my <00:22:39.021>first <00:22:39.138>real <00:22:39.255>job <00:22:39.371>within <00:22:39.488>HR <00:22:39.605>when <00:22:39.721>I <00:22:39.838>joined <00:22:39.955>stepson

529
00:22:42.335 --> 00:22:43.535
<00:22:42.335>as <00:22:42.695>a <00:22:43.055>managing <00:22:43.415>director.

530
00:22:44.155 --> 00:22:46.895
<00:22:44.155>Uh, <00:22:44.355>when <00:22:44.555>I <00:22:44.754>went <00:22:44.955>to <00:22:45.155>the <00:22:45.355>first <00:22:45.555>conferences,

531
00:22:47.135 --> 00:22:50.335
<00:22:47.135>I <00:22:47.290>was <00:22:47.446>really <00:22:47.601>fascinated <00:22:47.757>by <00:22:47.912>the <00:22:48.068>big <00:22:48.223>number <00:22:48.379>of <00:22:48.535>buzzwords

532
00:22:50.335 --> 00:22:53.255
<00:22:50.335>that <00:22:50.490>were, <00:22:50.646>that <00:22:50.801>were <00:22:50.957>out <00:22:51.112>in, <00:22:51.268>in <00:22:51.423>this <00:22:51.579>especially <00:22:51.735>area.

533
00:22:53.275 --> 00:22:55.415
<00:22:53.275>So <00:22:53.450>at <00:22:53.625>every <00:22:53.800>conference <00:22:53.975>there <00:22:54.150>was <00:22:54.325>a <00:22:54.500>new <00:22:54.675>buzzword

534
00:22:55.435 --> 00:22:56.895
<00:22:55.435>and <00:22:55.697>everybody <00:22:55.960>was <00:22:56.223>afraid <00:22:56.486>of <00:22:56.749>it.

535
00:22:57.675 --> 00:22:59.015
<00:22:57.675>What's, <00:22:57.976>what's <00:22:58.278>the <00:22:58.579>next <00:22:58.881>one

536
00:22:59.355 --> 00:23:02.215
<00:22:59.355>or <00:22:59.530>what's <00:22:59.705>your <00:22:59.880>current <00:23:00.055>password <00:23:00.230>that <00:23:00.405>you <00:23:00.580>love <00:23:00.755>most?

537
00:23:02.855 --> 00:23:03.855
Probably

538
00:23:04.405 --> 00:23:05.405
<00:23:04.405>Sure. <00:23:04.855>I <00:23:05.305>wouldn't

539
00:23:05.405 --> 00:23:06.295
<00:23:05.405>say <00:23:05.565>I <00:23:05.725>love <00:23:05.885>it <00:23:06.045>the <00:23:06.206>most,

540
00:23:06.355 --> 00:23:08.975
<00:23:06.355>but <00:23:06.495>the <00:23:06.635>current <00:23:06.775>one <00:23:06.915>that <00:23:07.055>I'm <00:23:07.195>hearing <00:23:07.335>all <00:23:07.475>the <00:23:07.615>time <00:23:07.755>has

541
00:23:08.975 --> 00:23:10.695
<00:23:08.975>to <00:23:09.441>be <00:23:09.908>generative <00:23:10.375>ai.

542
00:23:10.815 --> 00:23:13.095
<00:23:10.815>I <00:23:10.931>mean, <00:23:11.048>it, <00:23:11.165>it, <00:23:11.281>it's <00:23:11.398>been <00:23:11.515>around <00:23:11.631>for <00:23:11.748>a, <00:23:11.865>for <00:23:11.981>a <00:23:12.098>long <00:23:12.215>time.

543
00:23:13.895 --> 00:23:14.855
<00:23:13.895>Everyone's <00:23:14.183>talking <00:23:14.471>about <00:23:14.759>it.

544
00:23:15.335 --> 00:23:16.575
<00:23:15.335>Everyone's <00:23:15.558>using <00:23:15.781>it <00:23:16.004>in <00:23:16.227>different <00:23:16.451>ways.

545
00:23:16.935 --> 00:23:18.455
<00:23:16.935>Everyone <00:23:17.163>thinks <00:23:17.390>what <00:23:17.619>they're <00:23:17.847>doing <00:23:18.074>is <00:23:18.303>right.

546
00:23:18.875 --> 00:23:20.735
<00:23:18.875>Uh, <00:23:19.050>some <00:23:19.225>people <00:23:19.400>are <00:23:19.575>too <00:23:19.750>scared <00:23:19.925>to <00:23:20.100>use <00:23:20.275>it

547
00:23:20.735 --> 00:23:22.495
<00:23:20.735>because <00:23:20.935>they <00:23:21.135>think <00:23:21.334>it's <00:23:21.534>gonna <00:23:21.735>take <00:23:21.935>their <00:23:22.135>jobs.

548
00:23:23.155 --> 00:23:24.695
<00:23:23.155>And <00:23:23.617>then <00:23:24.079>future <00:23:24.541>buzzword

549
00:23:24.695 --> 00:23:26.815
<00:23:24.695>that <00:23:24.850>I <00:23:25.006>could <00:23:25.161>already <00:23:25.317>see <00:23:25.472>coming <00:23:25.628>down <00:23:25.783>the <00:23:25.939>line <00:23:26.095>is

550
00:23:26.995 --> 00:23:28.135
<00:23:26.995>Ag <00:23:27.508>agentic, <00:23:28.021>ar.

551
00:23:28.415 --> 00:23:30.575
<00:23:28.415>'cause <00:23:28.615>not <00:23:28.815>everyone's <00:23:29.014>talking <00:23:29.215>about, <00:23:29.415>oh, <00:23:29.615>we <00:23:29.815>have

552
00:23:30.575 --> 00:23:32.735
<00:23:30.575>to <00:23:30.715>build <00:23:30.855>our <00:23:30.995>own <00:23:31.135>agents <00:23:31.275>and <00:23:31.415>we <00:23:31.555>need <00:23:31.695>to <00:23:31.835>do <00:23:31.975>this.

553
00:23:32.875 --> 00:23:34.895
<00:23:32.875>And <00:23:33.030>then <00:23:33.186>there's <00:23:33.341>gonna <00:23:33.497>be <00:23:33.652>a <00:23:33.808>lot <00:23:33.963>of <00:23:34.119>confusion <00:23:34.275>about

554
00:23:34.895 --> 00:23:35.895
<00:23:34.895>where <00:23:35.120>do <00:23:35.345>we <00:23:35.570>get <00:23:35.795>started?

555
00:23:36.235 --> 00:23:38.295
<00:23:36.235>Is <00:23:36.390>it, <00:23:36.546>is <00:23:36.701>it <00:23:36.857>low <00:23:37.012>code? <00:23:37.168>Is <00:23:37.323>it <00:23:37.479>no <00:23:37.635>code?

556
00:23:38.795 --> 00:23:41.095
<00:23:38.795>So <00:23:39.028>yeah, <00:23:39.261>those <00:23:39.495>are <00:23:39.728>the <00:23:39.961>definite <00:23:40.195>buzzwords

557
00:23:41.095 --> 00:23:43.495
<00:23:41.095>that <00:23:41.222>I'm <00:23:41.349>probably <00:23:41.476>gonna <00:23:41.604>be <00:23:41.731>hearing <00:23:41.858>a <00:23:41.985>lot <00:23:42.113>in <00:23:42.240>the <00:23:42.367>next <00:23:42.495>three

558
00:23:43.495 --> 00:23:44.895
<00:23:43.495>weeks <00:23:43.705>as <00:23:43.915>I've <00:23:44.125>traveled <00:23:44.335>to <00:23:44.545>the <00:23:44.754>US

559
00:23:44.985 --> 00:23:46.685
<00:23:44.985>and <00:23:45.218>the <00:23:45.451>UK <00:23:45.685>to <00:23:45.918>speak <00:23:46.151>at <00:23:46.385>conferences.

560
00:23:46.915 --> 00:23:48.885
<00:23:46.915>Okay. <00:23:47.090>Those, <00:23:47.264>I'm <00:23:47.440>gonna <00:23:47.615>put <00:23:47.790>money <00:23:47.965>on <00:23:48.139>the <00:23:48.315>fact

561
00:23:48.945 --> 00:23:50.125
<00:23:48.945>I'm <00:23:49.121>gonna <00:23:49.299>hear <00:23:49.476>a <00:23:49.653>lot <00:23:49.830>about <00:23:50.007>those.

562
00:23:50.545 --> 00:23:53.285
<00:23:50.545>And, <00:23:50.645>and <00:23:50.745>if <00:23:50.845>you, <00:23:50.945>if <00:23:51.045>it <00:23:51.145>could <00:23:51.245>do <00:23:51.345>a <00:23:51.445>kind <00:23:51.545>of <00:23:51.645>a, <00:23:51.745>a, <00:23:51.845>a <00:23:51.945>quick,

563
00:23:53.565 --> 00:23:56.085
<00:23:53.565>a <00:23:53.765>quick, <00:23:53.965>uh, <00:23:54.165>speech <00:23:54.365>to <00:23:54.565>the <00:23:54.765>nation <00:23:54.965>Yeah.

564
00:23:56.795 --> 00:23:58.805
<00:23:56.795>What <00:23:56.950>would <00:23:57.106>you, <00:23:57.261>what <00:23:57.417>would <00:23:57.572>you <00:23:57.728>love <00:23:57.883>to <00:23:58.039>talk <00:23:58.195>about

565
00:23:58.825 --> 00:24:00.205
<00:23:58.825>and <00:23:59.032>what <00:23:59.239>would <00:23:59.446>it <00:23:59.653>the <00:23:59.860>topic <00:24:00.067>be?

566
00:24:01.765 --> 00:24:03.665
<00:24:01.765>So <00:24:02.045>which <00:24:02.325>nation <00:24:02.605>are <00:24:02.885>we <00:24:03.165>talking

567
00:24:03.665 --> 00:24:05.185
<00:24:03.665>about? <00:24:04.007>Let's <00:24:04.349>get <00:24:04.691>that <00:24:05.033>right.

568
00:24:05.405 --> 00:24:07.545
<00:24:05.405>Hr, <00:24:05.580>let's <00:24:05.754>let, <00:24:05.930>let's <00:24:06.105>call <00:24:06.280>it <00:24:06.455>the <00:24:06.629>HR <00:24:06.805>Nation.

569
00:24:07.725 --> 00:24:09.345
<00:24:07.725>The <00:24:08.191>HR <00:24:08.658>Nation. <00:24:09.125>Yeah.

570
00:24:09.545 --> 00:24:11.985
<00:24:09.545>I <00:24:09.685>think <00:24:09.825>that <00:24:09.965>what <00:24:10.105>we <00:24:10.245>need <00:24:10.385>to <00:24:10.525>talk <00:24:10.665>about <00:24:10.805>is <00:24:10.945>HR,

571
00:24:11.985 --> 00:24:13.185
<00:24:11.985>and <00:24:12.201>let's <00:24:12.417>just <00:24:12.632>actually <00:24:12.849>be <00:24:13.065>honest

572
00:24:13.185 --> 00:24:15.665
<00:24:13.185>and <00:24:13.418>talk <00:24:13.651>about <00:24:13.885>the <00:24:14.118>name <00:24:14.351>Human <00:24:14.585>Resources.

573
00:24:16.005 --> 00:24:18.705
<00:24:16.005>So <00:24:16.112>there's <00:24:16.220>a <00:24:16.328>lot <00:24:16.435>of <00:24:16.543>people <00:24:16.651>in <00:24:16.758>HR <00:24:16.866>at <00:24:16.974>the <00:24:17.081>moment <00:24:17.189>who <00:24:17.297>are <00:24:17.405>very,

574
00:24:18.705 --> 00:24:20.985
<00:24:18.705>very <00:24:18.905>scared <00:24:19.105>that <00:24:19.304>that <00:24:19.504>AI <00:24:19.705>is <00:24:19.905>gonna <00:24:20.105>take,

575
00:24:21.245 --> 00:24:22.465
<00:24:21.245>you <00:24:21.464>know, <00:24:21.684>some <00:24:21.903>of <00:24:22.123>their <00:24:22.342>jobs.

576
00:24:22.485 --> 00:24:25.665
<00:24:22.485>And <00:24:22.612>I'm <00:24:22.739>not <00:24:22.866>saying <00:24:22.994>that <00:24:23.121>it <00:24:23.248>won't, <00:24:23.375>I'm <00:24:23.503>saying <00:24:23.630>that <00:24:23.757>we <00:24:23.885>need

577
00:24:25.665 --> 00:24:27.945
<00:24:25.665>to <00:24:25.820>keep <00:24:25.976>up <00:24:26.131>to <00:24:26.287>date, <00:24:26.442>uh, <00:24:26.598>you <00:24:26.753>know, <00:24:26.909>with <00:24:27.065>ar

578
00:24:28.165 --> 00:24:30.785
<00:24:28.165>and <00:24:28.320>we <00:24:28.476>don't <00:24:28.631>wanna <00:24:28.787>lose <00:24:28.942>our <00:24:29.098>next <00:24:29.253>opportunity <00:24:29.409>to <00:24:29.565>someone

579
00:24:31.325 --> 00:24:34.585
<00:24:31.325>who <00:24:31.465>is <00:24:31.605>using <00:24:31.745>ar, <00:24:31.885>where <00:24:32.025>we <00:24:32.165>won't <00:24:32.305>go <00:24:32.445>anywhere <00:24:32.585>near <00:24:32.725>it.

580
00:24:34.585 --> 00:24:35.745
<00:24:34.585>So <00:24:34.759>you've <00:24:34.933>gotta <00:24:35.107>stay <00:24:35.281>up <00:24:35.455>to <00:24:35.629>date,

581
00:24:35.745 --> 00:24:36.825
<00:24:35.745>you've <00:24:35.987>gotta <00:24:36.231>stay <00:24:36.474>tech <00:24:36.717>savvy.

582
00:24:37.365 --> 00:24:40.145
<00:24:37.365>But <00:24:37.492>on <00:24:37.619>that <00:24:37.746>note, <00:24:37.874>my <00:24:38.001>state <00:24:38.128>to <00:24:38.255>the <00:24:38.383>nation <00:24:38.510>of <00:24:38.637>a, <00:24:38.765>uh,

583
00:24:40.365 --> 00:24:42.305
<00:24:40.365>HR <00:24:40.540>people <00:24:40.715>is <00:24:40.890>just <00:24:41.065>to <00:24:41.240>stay <00:24:41.415>up <00:24:41.590>to <00:24:41.765>date.

584
00:24:42.415 --> 00:24:44.505
<00:24:42.415>Like, <00:24:42.648>instead <00:24:42.881>of <00:24:43.115>worrying <00:24:43.348>about <00:24:43.581>it, <00:24:43.815>instead

585
00:24:44.505 --> 00:24:46.865
<00:24:44.505>of <00:24:44.738>having <00:24:44.971>sleepless <00:24:45.205>nights <00:24:45.438>now, <00:24:45.671>just <00:24:45.905>try

586
00:24:46.865 --> 00:24:48.145
<00:24:46.865>and <00:24:47.057>keep <00:24:47.249>a <00:24:47.441>finger <00:24:47.633>on <00:24:47.825>the <00:24:48.017>pills.

587
00:24:48.565 --> 00:24:50.345
<00:24:48.565>See <00:24:48.798>where <00:24:49.031>you <00:24:49.265>can <00:24:49.498>start <00:24:49.731>using <00:24:49.965>it.

588
00:24:50.685 --> 00:24:52.505
<00:24:50.685>And <00:24:50.918>don't <00:24:51.151>forget <00:24:51.385>that <00:24:51.618>it's <00:24:51.851>human <00:24:52.085>first.

589
00:24:53.085 --> 00:24:55.385
<00:24:53.085>And, <00:24:53.365>and <00:24:53.645>that's <00:24:53.925>really, <00:24:54.205>really <00:24:54.485>important.

590
00:24:55.565 --> 00:24:57.585
<00:24:55.565>And <00:24:55.705>I <00:24:55.845>think <00:24:55.985>that <00:24:56.125>that's <00:24:56.265>what <00:24:56.405>people <00:24:56.545>are <00:24:56.685>losing <00:24:56.825>sight <00:24:56.965>of.

591
00:24:57.615 --> 00:25:02.425
<00:24:57.615>It's, <00:24:57.755>it's <00:24:57.895>lead <00:24:58.035>with <00:24:58.175>humanness, <00:24:58.315>be <00:24:58.455>kind <00:24:58.595>to <00:24:58.735>each <00:24:58.875>other, <00:24:59.015>um,

592
00:25:02.885 --> 00:25:06.725
<00:25:02.885>and <00:25:03.012>make <00:25:03.139>sure <00:25:03.266>that <00:25:03.394>when <00:25:03.521>the, <00:25:03.648>the <00:25:03.775>push <00:25:03.903>comes <00:25:04.030>to <00:25:04.157>shove <00:25:04.285>is

593
00:25:06.725 --> 00:25:08.485
<00:25:06.725>that <00:25:07.074>you <00:25:07.425>are <00:25:07.774>better <00:25:08.125>equipped

594
00:25:09.195 --> 00:25:11.925
<00:25:09.195>than <00:25:09.395>everybody <00:25:09.595>else <00:25:09.794>in <00:25:09.995>your <00:25:10.195>team <00:25:10.395>who, <00:25:10.595>um,

595
00:25:12.015 --> 00:25:14.245
<00:25:12.015>maybe <00:25:12.295>is <00:25:12.575>not <00:25:12.855>asay <00:25:13.135>with <00:25:13.415>ar.

596
00:25:14.245 --> 00:25:16.805
<00:25:14.245>Because <00:25:14.385>I <00:25:14.524>do <00:25:14.665>think <00:25:14.804>that's <00:25:14.945>what <00:25:15.084>it's <00:25:15.225>gonna <00:25:15.364>come <00:25:15.504>down <00:25:15.645>to.

597
00:25:17.885 --> 00:25:21.945
<00:25:17.885>Mm-hmm. <00:25:18.040>I, <00:25:18.196>I <00:25:18.351>really <00:25:18.507>was <00:25:18.662>smiling <00:25:18.818>when <00:25:18.973>you <00:25:19.129>said <00:25:19.285>hr.

598
00:25:22.265 --> 00:25:23.665
<00:25:22.265>I <00:25:22.685>mean, <00:25:23.105>uh, <00:25:23.525>because

599
00:25:23.935 --> 00:25:26.425
<00:25:23.935>what <00:25:24.110>I <00:25:24.284>did <00:25:24.460>at <00:25:24.635>a <00:25:24.810>conference <00:25:24.985>many <00:25:25.159>years <00:25:25.335>ago,

600
00:25:26.445 --> 00:25:31.385
<00:25:26.445>and <00:25:26.585>this <00:25:26.725>my <00:25:26.865>last <00:25:27.004>chart <00:25:27.145>was, <00:25:27.284>uh, <00:25:27.425>on <00:25:27.564>at <00:25:27.705>this <00:25:27.845>talk,

601
00:25:31.445 --> 00:25:34.685
<00:25:31.445>was, <00:25:31.600>um, <00:25:31.756>if <00:25:31.911>we <00:25:32.067>would, <00:25:32.222>if <00:25:32.378>we <00:25:32.533>are, <00:25:32.689>we <00:25:32.845>do,

602
00:25:35.745 --> 00:25:38.245
<00:25:35.745>we <00:25:35.900>could <00:25:36.056>do <00:25:36.211>ourself <00:25:36.367>a <00:25:36.522>favor, <00:25:36.678>we <00:25:36.833>should <00:25:36.989>get <00:25:37.145>rid

603
00:25:38.245 --> 00:25:39.325
<00:25:38.245>of <00:25:38.487>the <00:25:38.731>R <00:25:38.974>in <00:25:39.217>hr

604
00:25:39.755 --> 00:25:44.615
<00:25:39.755>because <00:25:39.882>as <00:25:40.009>long, <00:25:40.136>as <00:25:40.264>long, <00:25:40.391>as <00:25:40.518>long <00:25:40.645>as <00:25:40.773>we <00:25:40.900>are <00:25:41.027>treating <00:25:41.155>humans

605
00:25:44.955 --> 00:25:45.975
<00:25:44.955>as <00:25:45.872>resources,

606
00:25:46.295 --> 00:25:48.775
<00:25:46.295>I <00:25:46.435>think <00:25:46.575>we <00:25:46.715>will <00:25:46.855>definitely <00:25:46.995>always <00:25:47.135>be <00:25:47.275>on <00:25:47.415>the <00:25:47.555>wrong <00:25:47.695>track.

607
00:25:49.285 --> 00:25:50.375
<00:25:49.285>What <00:25:49.481>do <00:25:49.677>you <00:25:49.873>think <00:25:50.069>about <00:25:50.266>this?

608
00:25:50.935 --> 00:25:53.455
<00:25:50.935>'cause <00:25:51.051>I <00:25:51.168>said, <00:25:51.284>okay, <00:25:51.401>let's, <00:25:51.518>let's <00:25:51.635>get <00:25:51.751>rid <00:25:51.868>of <00:25:51.985>the <00:25:52.101>R <00:25:52.218>in <00:25:52.335>hr.

609
00:25:53.605 --> 00:25:55.895
<00:25:53.605>That <00:25:53.760>was <00:25:53.916>my <00:25:54.071>last <00:25:54.227>slide, <00:25:54.382>and <00:25:54.538>I <00:25:54.693>got <00:25:54.849>standing <00:25:55.005>ions.

610
00:25:55.965 --> 00:25:57.415
<00:25:55.965>That <00:25:56.226>was <00:25:56.486>really <00:25:56.748>the <00:25:57.009>funny <00:25:57.270>thing.

611
00:25:57.415 --> 00:25:58.655
<00:25:57.415>That <00:25:57.638>is <00:25:57.861>why <00:25:58.084>I <00:25:58.307>remembered <00:25:58.531>it.

612
00:25:59.005 --> 00:26:02.415
<00:25:59.005>Yeah, <00:25:59.160>because, <00:25:59.316>uh, <00:25:59.471>honestly, <00:25:59.627>I <00:25:59.782>think, <00:25:59.938>uh, <00:26:00.093>we <00:26:00.249>are <00:26:00.405>always,

613
00:26:03.255 --> 00:26:06.895
<00:26:03.255>I <00:26:03.395>mean <00:26:03.535>to, <00:26:03.675>to <00:26:03.815>explain <00:26:03.955>it <00:26:04.095>probably <00:26:04.235>with <00:26:04.375>two <00:26:04.515>sentences <00:26:04.655>more,

614
00:26:07.335 --> 00:26:10.015
<00:26:07.335>I <00:26:07.490>think <00:26:07.646>when, <00:26:07.801>when <00:26:07.957>I <00:26:08.112>started <00:26:08.268>working <00:26:08.423>many <00:26:08.579>years <00:26:08.735>ago,

615
00:26:10.175 --> 00:26:14.775
<00:26:10.175>I <00:26:10.330>think <00:26:10.486>it, <00:26:10.641>it, <00:26:10.797>HR <00:26:10.952>was <00:26:11.108>not <00:26:11.263>even <00:26:11.419>called <00:26:11.575>hr,

616
00:26:14.795 --> 00:26:19.135
<00:26:14.795>the <00:26:14.995>German <00:26:15.195>from, <00:26:15.395>which <00:26:15.595>was <00:26:15.795>really <00:26:15.995>purchasing <00:26:16.195>department.

617
00:26:19.165 --> 00:26:23.015
<00:26:19.165>Yeah. <00:26:19.398>So <00:26:19.631>it <00:26:19.865>was <00:26:20.098>purchasing <00:26:20.331>a <00:26:20.565>resource,

618
00:26:23.075 --> 00:26:24.935
<00:26:23.075>it <00:26:23.275>was <00:26:23.475>buying <00:26:23.675>a <00:26:23.875>resource <00:26:24.075>on <00:26:24.275>the <00:26:24.475>market

619
00:26:25.155 --> 00:26:28.575
<00:26:25.155>for <00:26:25.310>probably <00:26:25.466>the <00:26:25.621>less <00:26:25.777>price <00:26:25.932>or <00:26:26.088>the, <00:26:26.243>the <00:26:26.399>minimum <00:26:26.555>price.

620
00:26:28.995 --> 00:26:31.895
<00:26:28.995>And, <00:26:29.228>uh, <00:26:29.461>as <00:26:29.695>quick <00:26:29.928>as <00:26:30.161>possible <00:26:30.395>Wow.

621
00:26:32.285 --> 00:26:34.375
<00:26:32.285>With <00:26:32.518>this <00:26:32.751>behavior, <00:26:32.985>I <00:26:33.218>think <00:26:33.451>is <00:26:33.685>still

622
00:26:34.375 --> 00:26:35.455
<00:26:34.375>there <00:26:34.699>in <00:26:35.023>some <00:26:35.347>companies.

623
00:26:35.475 --> 00:26:39.335
<00:26:35.475>And <00:26:35.630>I <00:26:35.786>think <00:26:35.941>that <00:26:36.097>companies <00:26:36.252>are <00:26:36.408>still <00:26:36.563>treating <00:26:36.719>their <00:26:36.875>humans

624
00:26:39.795 --> 00:26:42.895
<00:26:39.795>and, <00:26:40.028>and, <00:26:40.261>and <00:26:40.495>the <00:26:40.728>employees <00:26:40.961>as <00:26:41.195>resources.

625
00:26:43.145 --> 00:26:45.725
<00:26:43.145>And <00:26:43.300>from <00:26:43.456>my <00:26:43.611>point <00:26:43.767>of <00:26:43.922>view, <00:26:44.078>if <00:26:44.233>you, <00:26:44.389>if <00:26:44.545>you,

626
00:26:45.745 --> 00:26:46.805
<00:26:45.745>if <00:26:46.062>you <00:26:46.381>take <00:26:46.699>people

627
00:26:46.825 --> 00:26:50.005
<00:26:46.825>or <00:26:46.952>humans <00:26:47.079>as <00:26:47.206>resources, <00:26:47.334>you <00:26:47.461>always <00:26:47.588>have <00:26:47.715>a <00:26:47.843>price <00:26:47.970>tag <00:26:48.097>on <00:26:48.225>it.

628
00:26:50.005 --> 00:26:51.925
<00:26:50.005>It, <00:26:50.285>it's <00:26:50.565>mainly <00:26:50.845>seen <00:26:51.125>as <00:26:51.405>costs.

629
00:26:52.595 --> 00:26:54.045
<00:26:52.595>It's <00:26:52.856>a <00:26:53.117>cost <00:26:53.378>factor <00:26:53.639>within <00:26:53.900>the

630
00:26:54.045 --> 00:26:55.725
<00:26:54.045>organization <00:26:54.395>and <00:26:54.745>not <00:26:55.095>the <00:26:55.445>asset.

631
00:26:55.745 --> 00:26:57.085
<00:26:55.745>And <00:26:55.986>I <00:26:56.227>think <00:26:56.468>in <00:26:56.709>the <00:26:56.951>meantime,

632
00:26:57.085 --> 00:26:59.765
<00:26:57.085>what <00:26:57.201>we <00:26:57.318>need <00:26:57.435>from <00:26:57.551>the <00:26:57.668>people <00:26:57.785>is <00:26:57.901>not <00:26:58.018>labor <00:26:58.135>work <00:26:58.251>in <00:26:58.368>a <00:26:58.485>way

633
00:26:59.765 --> 00:27:01.205
<00:26:59.765>of <00:27:00.197>doing <00:27:00.629>something <00:27:01.061>manually,

634
00:27:01.325 --> 00:27:03.685
<00:27:01.325>because <00:27:01.480>that <00:27:01.636>probably <00:27:01.791>could <00:27:01.947>be <00:27:02.102>done <00:27:02.258>by <00:27:02.413>robots <00:27:02.569>as <00:27:02.725>well,

635
00:27:04.105 --> 00:27:08.445
<00:27:04.105>but <00:27:04.305>it's <00:27:04.505>creativity, <00:27:04.705>it's <00:27:04.905>passion, <00:27:05.105>it's <00:27:05.305>it's <00:27:05.505>lifetime

636
00:27:08.635 --> 00:27:09.885
<00:27:08.635>what <00:27:08.916>we <00:27:09.197>get <00:27:09.478>from <00:27:09.760>them.

637
00:27:10.115 --> 00:27:11.725
<00:27:10.115>Yeah. <00:27:10.348>Yeah. <00:27:10.581>And <00:27:10.815>I <00:27:11.048>mean, <00:27:11.281>the <00:27:11.515>deal,

638
00:27:11.825 --> 00:27:13.285
<00:27:11.825>the <00:27:12.153>deal <00:27:12.482>became <00:27:12.810>really <00:27:13.139>unfair

639
00:27:13.285 --> 00:27:15.445
<00:27:13.285>because <00:27:13.412>at <00:27:13.539>the <00:27:13.666>end <00:27:13.794>of <00:27:13.921>the <00:27:14.048>day, <00:27:14.175>you <00:27:14.303>give <00:27:14.430>me <00:27:14.557>your <00:27:14.685>lifetime,

640
00:27:15.545 --> 00:27:18.645
<00:27:15.545>you <00:27:15.700>give <00:27:15.856>me <00:27:16.011>your <00:27:16.167>passion, <00:27:16.322>you <00:27:16.478>give <00:27:16.633>me <00:27:16.789>your <00:27:16.945>creativity,

641
00:27:19.145 --> 00:27:21.245
<00:27:19.145>and <00:27:19.261>at <00:27:19.378>the <00:27:19.495>end <00:27:19.611>of <00:27:19.728>the <00:27:19.845>money <00:27:19.961>I <00:27:20.078>give <00:27:20.195>us <00:27:20.311>at <00:27:20.428>the <00:27:20.545>end

642
00:27:21.245 --> 00:27:22.845
<00:27:21.245>of <00:27:21.419>the <00:27:21.594>month, <00:27:21.770>it <00:27:21.945>gives <00:27:22.120>us <00:27:22.294>some <00:27:22.469>money <00:27:22.645>here.

643
00:27:23.035 --> 00:27:24.965
<00:27:23.035>Yeah. <00:27:23.268>So, <00:27:23.501>so <00:27:23.735>I <00:27:23.968>think <00:27:24.201>the, <00:27:24.435>the,

644
00:27:25.025 --> 00:27:26.845
<00:27:25.025>the <00:27:25.200>deal <00:27:25.375>is <00:27:25.550>not <00:27:25.725>even <00:27:25.900>fair <00:27:26.075>at <00:27:26.250>the <00:27:26.425>moment.

645
00:27:27.745 --> 00:27:29.365
<00:27:27.745>And <00:27:28.024>what's <00:27:28.304>your <00:27:28.584>take <00:27:28.864>on <00:27:29.145>that?

646
00:27:29.835 --> 00:27:31.685
<00:27:29.835>Does <00:27:30.068>that, <00:27:30.301>would <00:27:30.535>that <00:27:30.768>change <00:27:31.001>the <00:27:31.235>world?

647
00:27:31.745 --> 00:27:33.445
<00:27:31.745>If <00:27:32.024>you <00:27:32.304>would <00:27:32.584>probably <00:27:32.864>start <00:27:33.145>it

648
00:27:33.445 --> 00:27:36.045
<00:27:33.445>with <00:27:33.620>rethinking <00:27:33.794>the <00:27:33.970>whole <00:27:34.145>thing <00:27:34.320>in, <00:27:34.495>in <00:27:34.669>that <00:27:34.845>direction.

649
00:27:37.185 --> 00:27:39.725
<00:27:37.185>And <00:27:37.312>I <00:27:37.439>think <00:27:37.566>that <00:27:37.694>that's <00:27:37.821>what <00:27:37.948>the <00:27:38.075>potential <00:27:38.203>that <00:27:38.330>AI <00:27:38.457>has <00:27:38.585>got

650
00:27:39.725 --> 00:27:41.605
<00:27:39.725>to <00:27:39.899>do <00:27:40.074>to <00:27:40.250>be, <00:27:40.425>to <00:27:40.600>be <00:27:40.774>honest, <00:27:40.949>I <00:27:41.125>think

651
00:27:41.605 --> 00:27:43.645
<00:27:41.605>that <00:27:41.885>we <00:27:42.165>can <00:27:42.445>rethink <00:27:42.725>about <00:27:43.005>things.

652
00:27:43.805 --> 00:27:47.085
<00:27:43.805>I <00:27:43.932>mean, <00:27:44.059>the <00:27:44.186>fact <00:27:44.314>that <00:27:44.441>we <00:27:44.568>work <00:27:44.695>four <00:27:44.823>or <00:27:44.950>five <00:27:45.077>days <00:27:45.205>on

653
00:27:47.185 --> 00:27:49.965
<00:27:47.185>and <00:27:47.340>have <00:27:47.496>two <00:27:47.651>days <00:27:47.807>off <00:27:47.962>has <00:27:48.118>literally <00:27:48.273>stem <00:27:48.429>back <00:27:48.585>to,

654
00:27:50.385 --> 00:27:51.725
<00:27:50.385>in <00:27:50.787>like <00:27:51.188>Industrial <00:27:51.591>Revolution.

655
00:27:52.045 --> 00:27:54.405
<00:27:52.045>I <00:27:52.200>mean, <00:27:52.356>it's <00:27:52.511>like, <00:27:52.667>it's <00:27:52.822>just <00:27:52.978>been <00:27:53.133>been <00:27:53.289>here <00:27:53.445>forever

656
00:27:54.545 --> 00:27:56.085
<00:27:54.545>and <00:27:54.822>it's <00:27:55.099>like, <00:27:55.376>we <00:27:55.653>maybe <00:27:55.931>need

657
00:27:56.085 --> 00:27:57.885
<00:27:56.085>to <00:27:56.285>think <00:27:56.485>about <00:27:56.685>doing <00:27:56.885>four <00:27:57.085>days <00:27:57.285>at <00:27:57.485>work

658
00:27:57.945 --> 00:27:59.205
<00:27:57.945>and <00:27:58.171>three <00:27:58.398>days <00:27:58.625>not <00:27:58.852>at <00:27:59.079>work.

659
00:27:59.265 --> 00:28:00.645
<00:27:59.265>And, <00:27:59.679>you <00:28:00.093>know, <00:28:00.507>and,

660
00:28:00.665 --> 00:28:01.805
<00:28:00.665>and <00:28:01.007>certain, <00:28:01.349>you <00:28:01.691>know,

661
00:28:02.165 --> 00:28:04.205
<00:28:02.165>companies <00:28:02.365>in <00:28:02.565>certain <00:28:02.764>countries <00:28:02.965>are, <00:28:03.165>are <00:28:03.365>trialing <00:28:03.565>it.

662
00:28:04.625 --> 00:28:07.005
<00:28:04.625>For <00:28:04.780>me, <00:28:04.936>there's <00:28:05.091>always <00:28:05.247>something <00:28:05.402>that <00:28:05.558>has <00:28:05.713>to, <00:28:05.869>to <00:28:06.025>happen.

663
00:28:07.105 --> 00:28:09.405
<00:28:07.105>So <00:28:07.280>you <00:28:07.455>perform <00:28:07.630>a <00:28:07.805>service <00:28:07.980>and <00:28:08.155>you <00:28:08.330>get <00:28:08.505>paid.

664
00:28:09.565 --> 00:28:11.725
<00:28:09.565>I <00:28:09.740>mean, <00:28:09.915>that's, <00:28:10.090>that's <00:28:10.265>the <00:28:10.440>way <00:28:10.615>the <00:28:10.790>world <00:28:10.965>has

665
00:28:11.725 --> 00:28:12.805
<00:28:11.725>worked <00:28:12.049>since <00:28:12.373>biblical <00:28:12.697>times.

666
00:28:12.865 --> 00:28:14.965
<00:28:12.865>You <00:28:13.005>know, <00:28:13.145>you <00:28:13.285>either <00:28:13.425>give <00:28:13.565>a <00:28:13.705>product, <00:28:13.845>you <00:28:13.985>give <00:28:14.125>a <00:28:14.265>service,

667
00:28:15.385 --> 00:28:18.005
<00:28:15.385>and <00:28:15.512>then <00:28:15.639>you <00:28:15.766>get <00:28:15.894>money, <00:28:16.021>which <00:28:16.148>you <00:28:16.275>can <00:28:16.403>then <00:28:16.530>use <00:28:16.657>your <00:28:16.785>money

668
00:28:18.065 --> 00:28:19.765
<00:28:18.065>as <00:28:18.265>a <00:28:18.465>currency <00:28:18.665>to <00:28:18.865>do <00:28:19.065>whatever <00:28:19.265>you <00:28:19.465>want.

669
00:28:20.645 --> 00:28:23.045
<00:28:20.645>I <00:28:20.845>don't <00:28:21.045>think <00:28:21.245>that <00:28:21.445>fundamentally <00:28:21.645>is <00:28:21.845>gonna <00:28:22.045>change.

670
00:28:23.465 --> 00:28:27.605
<00:28:23.465>But <00:28:23.605>I <00:28:23.745>do <00:28:23.885>think <00:28:24.024>that <00:28:24.165>there's <00:28:24.304>been <00:28:24.445>a <00:28:24.584>lot <00:28:24.725>of <00:28:24.865>people

671
00:28:27.705 --> 00:28:29.445
<00:28:27.705>who <00:28:28.054>realize, <00:28:28.405>especially <00:28:28.754>during <00:28:29.105>covid,

672
00:28:29.835 --> 00:28:34.765
<00:28:29.835>that <00:28:29.990>they <00:28:30.146>were <00:28:30.301>literally <00:28:30.457>just <00:28:30.612>performing <00:28:30.768>a <00:28:30.923>very <00:28:31.079>menial <00:28:31.235>task,

673
00:28:34.855 --> 00:28:36.605
<00:28:34.855>being <00:28:35.088>a, <00:28:35.321>a <00:28:35.555>person <00:28:35.788>in <00:28:36.021>a <00:28:36.255>seat.

674
00:28:37.065 --> 00:28:39.685
<00:28:37.065>Um, <00:28:37.220>and <00:28:37.376>they <00:28:37.531>realized <00:28:37.687>that <00:28:37.842>they <00:28:37.998>wanted <00:28:38.153>more <00:28:38.309>from <00:28:38.465>life.

675
00:28:39.765 --> 00:28:41.565
<00:28:39.765>I <00:28:39.998>mean, <00:28:40.231>that's <00:28:40.465>where <00:28:40.698>everyone, <00:28:40.931>you <00:28:41.165>know,

676
00:28:41.565 --> 00:28:44.445
<00:28:41.565>started <00:28:41.740>hearing <00:28:41.915>about <00:28:42.090>things <00:28:42.265>like <00:28:42.440>the <00:28:42.615>great <00:28:42.790>resignation <00:28:42.965>and,

677
00:28:44.465 --> 00:28:46.925
<00:28:44.465>and <00:28:44.639>those <00:28:44.814>kind <00:28:44.990>of <00:28:45.165>things, <00:28:45.340>is <00:28:45.514>that <00:28:45.689>people <00:28:45.865>realize

678
00:28:46.925 --> 00:28:49.805
<00:28:46.925>that <00:28:47.065>there's <00:28:47.205>gotta <00:28:47.345>be <00:28:47.485>more <00:28:47.625>to <00:28:47.764>this <00:28:47.905>and <00:28:48.044>working <00:28:48.185>for <00:28:48.325>and

679
00:28:50.025 --> 00:28:51.565
<00:28:50.025>or <00:28:50.487>Marty <00:28:50.949>warlord, <00:28:51.411>uh,

680
00:28:52.105 --> 00:28:54.925
<00:28:52.105>and, <00:28:52.245>you <00:28:52.385>know, <00:28:52.525>giving <00:28:52.665>them <00:28:52.805>your <00:28:52.945>blood, <00:28:53.085>sweat <00:28:53.225>and <00:28:53.365>tears <00:28:53.505>and,

681
00:28:54.925 --> 00:28:57.445
<00:28:54.925>and <00:28:55.065>getting <00:28:55.205>your <00:28:55.345>pay <00:28:55.485>at <00:28:55.625>the <00:28:55.764>end <00:28:55.905>of <00:28:56.044>every <00:28:56.185>two <00:28:56.325>weeks

682
00:28:57.465 --> 00:28:59.085
<00:28:57.465>or <00:28:57.698>every <00:28:57.931>month, <00:28:58.165>or <00:28:58.398>however <00:28:58.631>it <00:28:58.865>works.

683
00:28:59.785 --> 00:29:01.645
<00:28:59.785>And <00:28:59.925>I <00:29:00.065>think <00:29:00.205>that <00:29:00.345>we, <00:29:00.485>we <00:29:00.625>are <00:29:00.765>gonna <00:29:00.905>really <00:29:01.045>see <00:29:01.185>this

684
00:29:01.645 --> 00:29:03.525
<00:29:01.645>and <00:29:01.820>we <00:29:01.995>are <00:29:02.170>gonna <00:29:02.345>really <00:29:02.520>feel <00:29:02.695>this <00:29:02.870>batting <00:29:03.045>us

685
00:29:03.625 --> 00:29:05.405
<00:29:03.625>as <00:29:03.858>this <00:29:04.091>Gen <00:29:04.325>Z <00:29:04.558>that's <00:29:04.791>coming <00:29:05.025>through.

686
00:29:05.405 --> 00:29:07.325
<00:29:05.405>Because, <00:29:05.605>you <00:29:05.805>know, <00:29:06.004>it's <00:29:06.205>not <00:29:06.405>all <00:29:06.605>about <00:29:06.805>work.

687
00:29:07.395 --> 00:29:09.925
<00:29:07.395>It's <00:29:07.550>not <00:29:07.706>all <00:29:07.861>about, <00:29:08.017>you <00:29:08.172>know, <00:29:08.328>climbing <00:29:08.483>the <00:29:08.639>corporate <00:29:08.795>ladder.

688
00:29:09.995 --> 00:29:11.685
<00:29:09.995>It's <00:29:10.461>about <00:29:10.928>job <00:29:11.395>satisfaction

689
00:29:11.805 --> 00:29:13.245
<00:29:11.805>and <00:29:12.064>actually <00:29:12.323>doing <00:29:12.582>what <00:29:12.841>you're <00:29:13.101>doing

690
00:29:13.245 --> 00:29:14.605
<00:29:13.245>and <00:29:13.489>making <00:29:13.734>a <00:29:13.979>difference <00:29:14.224>in <00:29:14.469>life.

691
00:29:15.025 --> 00:29:17.645
<00:29:15.025>As <00:29:15.180>you've <00:29:15.336>said. <00:29:15.491>You <00:29:15.647>know, <00:29:15.802>the, <00:29:15.958>the, <00:29:16.113>what's <00:29:16.269>important <00:29:16.425>now

692
00:29:17.645 --> 00:29:20.525
<00:29:17.645>to <00:29:17.785>a <00:29:17.925>lot <00:29:18.065>of <00:29:18.205>people <00:29:18.345>from <00:29:18.485>your <00:29:18.625>survey <00:29:18.764>is <00:29:18.905>the <00:29:19.045>sustainability

693
00:29:20.705 --> 00:29:22.005
<00:29:20.705>and <00:29:20.938>what <00:29:21.173>is <00:29:21.407>the <00:29:21.641>company <00:29:21.875>doing

694
00:29:22.185 --> 00:29:25.445
<00:29:22.185>and, <00:29:22.325>you <00:29:22.465>know, <00:29:22.605>do <00:29:22.745>they <00:29:22.885>want <00:29:23.024>to <00:29:23.165>jump <00:29:23.304>on <00:29:23.445>that <00:29:23.585>bandwagon

695
00:29:25.445 --> 00:29:28.085
<00:29:25.445>or <00:29:25.561>do <00:29:25.678>they <00:29:25.794>wanna <00:29:25.911>just <00:29:26.028>make <00:29:26.145>a <00:29:26.261>major <00:29:26.378>bank <00:29:26.495>a <00:29:26.611>lot <00:29:26.728>more <00:29:26.845>money?

696
00:29:28.745 --> 00:29:31.205
<00:29:28.745>And, <00:29:28.978>um, <00:29:29.211>yeah, <00:29:29.445>I <00:29:29.678>just, <00:29:29.911>I <00:29:30.145>think

697
00:29:31.205 --> 00:29:32.685
<00:29:31.205>that <00:29:31.649>everything's <00:29:32.092>gonna <00:29:32.537>change.

698
00:29:32.745 --> 00:29:34.925
<00:29:32.745>And <00:29:32.885>to <00:29:33.024>be <00:29:33.165>honest, <00:29:33.304>I'm <00:29:33.445>really <00:29:33.584>just <00:29:33.725>looking <00:29:33.864>forward <00:29:34.004>to <00:29:34.145>it.

699
00:29:35.785 --> 00:29:37.565
<00:29:35.785>It <00:29:35.940>would <00:29:36.096>be <00:29:36.251>interesting <00:29:36.407>to <00:29:36.562>see <00:29:36.718>how <00:29:36.873>it <00:29:37.029>rolls <00:29:37.185>out.

700
00:29:37.835 --> 00:29:39.045
<00:29:37.835>Yeah, <00:29:38.016>me <00:29:38.198>as <00:29:38.379>well. <00:29:38.561>Me <00:29:38.742>as <00:29:38.924>well.

701
00:29:39.165 --> 00:29:40.685
<00:29:39.165>I <00:29:39.360>think <00:29:39.555>it's, <00:29:39.751>it, <00:29:39.946>it's, <00:29:40.142>I <00:29:40.337>think <00:29:40.533>it's,

702
00:29:40.795 --> 00:29:42.005
<00:29:40.795>it's <00:29:41.339>challenging <00:29:41.884>times,

703
00:29:42.185 --> 00:29:44.365
<00:29:42.185>but <00:29:42.360>I <00:29:42.534>think <00:29:42.710>it's <00:29:42.885>very <00:29:43.060>important <00:29:43.235>times <00:29:43.409>as <00:29:43.585>well,

704
00:29:44.365 --> 00:29:46.605
<00:29:44.365>because <00:29:44.540>I <00:29:44.715>think <00:29:44.890>it's <00:29:45.065>probably <00:29:45.240>shaping <00:29:45.415>a <00:29:45.590>new <00:29:45.765>future.

705
00:29:46.835 --> 00:29:47.845
<00:29:46.835>Yeah, <00:29:47.289>definitely. <00:29:47.744>Mm-hmm.

706
00:29:49.345 --> 00:29:51.445
<00:29:49.345>As <00:29:49.545>we <00:29:49.745>are <00:29:49.945>really <00:29:50.145>running <00:29:50.345>out <00:29:50.545>of <00:29:50.745>time.

707
00:29:51.585 --> 00:29:53.725
<00:29:51.585>So <00:29:51.785>that <00:29:51.985>30 <00:29:52.185>minutes <00:29:52.385>pass <00:29:52.585>by <00:29:52.785>so <00:29:52.985>quickly

708
00:29:53.905 --> 00:29:56.445
<00:29:53.905>and, <00:29:54.105>um, <00:29:54.305>it <00:29:54.504>does <00:29:54.705>looking, <00:29:54.905>really <00:29:55.105>looking <00:29:55.305>forward

709
00:29:56.505 --> 00:29:59.885
<00:29:56.505>to <00:29:56.680>have <00:29:56.855>further <00:29:57.030>discussions <00:29:57.205>with <00:29:57.380>you <00:29:57.555>in <00:29:57.730>whatever <00:29:57.905>format.

710
00:30:00.185 --> 00:30:01.885
<00:30:00.185>But, <00:30:00.360>uh, <00:30:00.534>thank <00:30:00.710>you <00:30:00.885>very <00:30:01.060>much <00:30:01.235>for <00:30:01.409>your <00:30:01.585>time.

711
00:30:02.005 --> 00:30:06.165
<00:30:02.005>I <00:30:02.105>have <00:30:02.205>one <00:30:02.305>last <00:30:02.405>thing <00:30:02.505>which <00:30:02.605>I <00:30:02.705>want <00:30:02.805>to <00:30:02.905>ask <00:30:03.005>you <00:30:03.105>is, <00:30:03.205>so <00:30:03.305>if <00:30:03.405>you,

712
00:30:06.185 --> 00:30:08.845
<00:30:06.185>if <00:30:06.360>you <00:30:06.534>look <00:30:06.710>on <00:30:06.885>probably <00:30:07.060>just <00:30:07.235>sourcing <00:30:07.409>again <00:30:07.585>Yeah.

713
00:30:08.865 --> 00:30:09.925
<00:30:08.865>If <00:30:09.103>it <00:30:09.342>Yes. <00:30:09.580>On <00:30:09.819>sourcing

714
00:30:10.265 --> 00:30:12.845
<00:30:10.265>and <00:30:10.440>you <00:30:10.615>need <00:30:10.790>to <00:30:10.965>find <00:30:11.140>one <00:30:11.315>adjective, <00:30:11.490>which, <00:30:11.665>uh,

715
00:30:13.185 --> 00:30:16.485
<00:30:13.185>is <00:30:13.360>most <00:30:13.534>needed, <00:30:13.710>what <00:30:13.885>we <00:30:14.060>did, <00:30:14.235>what <00:30:14.409>will <00:30:14.585>be

716
00:30:17.465 --> 00:30:18.925
<00:30:17.465>One <00:30:17.793>activity <00:30:18.121>did <00:30:18.450>you <00:30:18.779>say?

717
00:30:19.905 --> 00:30:22.725
<00:30:19.905>One <00:30:20.105>adjective. <00:30:20.305>So <00:30:20.504>one, <00:30:20.705>One <00:30:20.905>adjective <00:30:21.105>to <00:30:21.305>to,

718
00:30:23.225 --> 00:30:25.845
<00:30:23.225>To <00:30:23.458>describe, <00:30:23.691>to <00:30:23.925>describe, <00:30:24.158>to <00:30:24.391>describe, <00:30:24.625>uh,

719
00:30:26.715 --> 00:30:29.325
<00:30:26.715>that <00:30:26.995>sourcing <00:30:27.274>mainly <00:30:27.554>needed <00:30:27.834>for <00:30:28.115>sourcing.

720
00:30:30.715 --> 00:30:32.485
<00:30:30.715>Okay. <00:30:30.889>That's, <00:30:31.064>that's, <00:30:31.240>that's <00:30:31.415>a, <00:30:31.590>that's <00:30:31.764>a <00:30:31.939>nice <00:30:32.115>one.

721
00:30:32.485 --> 00:30:34.845
<00:30:32.485>I've <00:30:32.640>got <00:30:32.796>a <00:30:32.951>good <00:30:33.107>one. <00:30:33.262>It <00:30:33.418>has <00:30:33.573>to <00:30:33.729>be <00:30:33.885>curiosity,

722
00:30:35.595 --> 00:30:38.165
<00:30:35.595>because <00:30:35.750>to <00:30:35.906>be <00:30:36.061>a <00:30:36.217>good <00:30:36.372>saucer, <00:30:36.528>you've <00:30:36.683>gotta <00:30:36.839>be <00:30:36.995>curious

723
00:30:38.345 --> 00:30:41.645
<00:30:38.345>and <00:30:38.485>you've <00:30:38.625>gotta <00:30:38.765>keep <00:30:38.905>asking, <00:30:39.045>and <00:30:39.185>then <00:30:39.325>what <00:30:39.465>and <00:30:39.605>then <00:30:39.745>what,

724
00:30:41.945 --> 00:30:43.885
<00:30:41.945>and <00:30:42.120>then <00:30:42.294>what <00:30:42.470>and <00:30:42.645>what <00:30:42.820>more <00:30:42.995>can <00:30:43.169>I <00:30:43.345>find?

725
00:30:43.985 --> 00:30:45.485
<00:30:43.985>And <00:30:44.209>I <00:30:44.435>think <00:30:44.659>that <00:30:44.885>that's <00:30:45.110>really <00:30:45.334>important.

726
00:30:45.625 --> 00:30:47.845
<00:30:45.625>So <00:30:45.825>curiosity, <00:30:46.025>if <00:30:46.225>you <00:30:46.425>are <00:30:46.625>a <00:30:46.825>curious <00:30:47.025>person,

727
00:30:47.905 --> 00:30:49.165
<00:30:47.905>you <00:30:48.094>know <00:30:48.283>how <00:30:48.472>to <00:30:48.661>use <00:30:48.850>the <00:30:49.039>internet.

728
00:30:49.165 --> 00:30:50.725
<00:30:49.165>Well, <00:30:49.514>you're <00:30:49.865>already <00:30:50.215>halfway <00:30:50.565>there.

729
00:30:51.715 --> 00:30:54.715
<00:30:51.715>I <00:30:51.855>had, <00:30:51.995>I <00:30:52.135>had <00:30:52.274>definitely <00:30:52.415>exactly <00:30:52.554>the <00:30:52.695>same <00:30:52.834>word <00:30:52.975>in <00:30:53.115>mind.

730
00:30:54.935 --> 00:30:56.315
<00:30:54.935>So <00:30:55.142>thank <00:30:55.349>you <00:30:55.556>so <00:30:55.763>much <00:30:55.970>for <00:30:56.177>that.

731
00:30:56.895 --> 00:30:59.475
<00:30:56.895>Uh, <00:30:57.035>so <00:30:57.175>Vanessa, <00:30:57.315>it <00:30:57.455>was <00:30:57.595>a <00:30:57.735>pleasure <00:30:57.875>having <00:30:58.014>you <00:30:58.155>with <00:30:58.295>us,

732
00:30:59.655 --> 00:31:02.515
<00:30:59.655>and <00:30:59.795>I <00:30:59.935>hope <00:31:00.075>the <00:31:00.215>audience <00:31:00.355>out <00:31:00.495>there <00:31:00.635>is <00:31:00.774>enjoying <00:31:00.915>this <00:31:01.055>episode

733
00:31:02.615 --> 00:31:05.275
<00:31:02.615>as, <00:31:02.770>as, <00:31:02.926>as <00:31:03.081>much <00:31:03.237>as <00:31:03.392>I <00:31:03.548>did <00:31:03.703>during <00:31:03.859>the <00:31:04.015>recording.

734
00:31:05.275 --> 00:31:07.075
<00:31:05.275>Now. <00:31:05.555>Thank <00:31:05.835>you <00:31:06.115>so, <00:31:06.395>so <00:31:06.675>much.

735
00:31:07.215 --> 00:31:11.675
<00:31:07.215>And <00:31:07.322>I <00:31:07.430>really, <00:31:07.538>we <00:31:07.645>spoke <00:31:07.753>a <00:31:07.861>about <00:31:07.968>it <00:31:08.076>in, <00:31:08.184>in, <00:31:08.291>in, <00:31:08.399>in <00:31:08.507>the <00:31:08.615>off

736
00:31:11.895 --> 00:31:14.275
<00:31:11.895>before <00:31:12.175>we, <00:31:12.455>we <00:31:12.735>recorded <00:31:13.014>the <00:31:13.295>session.

737
00:31:14.855 --> 00:31:17.675
<00:31:14.855>Uh, <00:31:15.030>probably <00:31:15.205>we <00:31:15.380>see <00:31:15.555>you <00:31:15.730>in <00:31:15.905>Berlin <00:31:16.080>at <00:31:16.255>our

738
00:31:17.675 --> 00:31:18.995
<00:31:17.675>world <00:31:17.972>Congress <00:31:18.269>would <00:31:18.565>be <00:31:18.862>amazing.

739
00:31:19.095 --> 00:31:20.955
<00:31:19.095>So <00:31:19.250>that <00:31:19.406>would <00:31:19.561>be <00:31:19.717>great. <00:31:19.872>We <00:31:20.028>can <00:31:20.183>make <00:31:20.339>it <00:31:20.495>together.

740
00:31:21.485 --> 00:31:24.875
<00:31:21.485>Thank <00:31:21.612>you <00:31:21.739>so <00:31:21.866>much, <00:31:21.994>and, <00:31:22.121>uh, <00:31:22.248>thanks <00:31:22.375>for <00:31:22.503>being <00:31:22.630>with <00:31:22.757>us <00:31:22.885>and

741
00:31:24.875 --> 00:31:26.515
<00:31:24.875>Thanks <00:31:25.075>for <00:31:25.275>having <00:31:25.475>me. <00:31:25.675>It's <00:31:25.875>been <00:31:26.075>a <00:31:26.275>pleasure.

742
00:31:26.865 --> 00:31:28.235
<00:31:26.865>Yeah, <00:31:27.111>thank <00:31:27.358>you <00:31:27.604>so <00:31:27.851>much. <00:31:28.098>Bye.

743
00:31:35.595 --> 00:31:37.785
<00:31:35.595>Thank <00:31:35.828>you <00:31:36.061>for <00:31:36.295>watching <00:31:36.528>Cappuccino <00:31:36.761>with <00:31:36.995>hr.

744
00:31:37.785 --> 00:31:39.545
<00:31:37.785>If <00:31:38.018>you <00:31:38.251>enjoy <00:31:38.485>these <00:31:38.718>kind <00:31:38.951>of <00:31:39.185>conversations,

745
00:31:39.565 --> 00:31:41.705
<00:31:39.565>please <00:31:39.765>don't <00:31:39.965>forget <00:31:40.165>to <00:31:40.365>hit <00:31:40.565>the <00:31:40.765>subscribe <00:31:40.965>button.

746
00:31:41.935 --> 00:31:44.345
<00:31:41.935>Then <00:31:42.110>you <00:31:42.284>get <00:31:42.460>all <00:31:42.635>this <00:31:42.810>kind <00:31:42.985>of <00:31:43.159>upfront <00:31:43.335>information,

747
00:31:44.375 --> 00:31:45.745
<00:31:44.375>your <00:31:44.991>upcoming <00:31:45.608>episodes,

748
00:31:45.805 --> 00:31:49.225
<00:31:45.805>and <00:31:45.932>all <00:31:46.059>my <00:31:46.186>nice <00:31:46.314>guests <00:31:46.441>Cappuccino <00:31:46.568>with <00:31:46.695>HR <00:31:46.823>is <00:31:46.950>brought <00:31:47.077>to <00:31:47.205>you

749
00:31:49.225 --> 00:31:51.945
<00:31:49.225>by <00:31:49.425>we <00:31:49.625>developers, <00:31:49.824>Europe's <00:31:50.024>number <00:31:50.225>one <00:31:50.425>developer <00:31:50.625>community,

750
00:31:51.965 --> 00:31:55.185
<00:31:51.965>and <00:31:52.198>the <00:31:52.431>leading <00:31:52.665>platform <00:31:52.898>for <00:31:53.131>connecting <00:31:53.365>HR

751
00:31:55.445 --> 00:31:57.545
<00:31:55.445>and <00:31:55.794>companies <00:31:56.145>together <00:31:56.495>with <00:31:56.845>developers.

752
00:31:57.765 --> 00:31:59.105
<00:31:57.765>If <00:31:57.937>you <00:31:58.109>want <00:31:58.281>to <00:31:58.454>learn <00:31:58.626>more <00:31:58.798>with <00:31:58.971>it,

753
00:31:59.105 --> 00:32:01.985
<00:31:59.105>as <00:31:59.280>on <00:31:59.455>weird <00:31:59.630>developers.com, <00:31:59.805>thank <00:31:59.980>you <00:32:00.155>again <00:32:00.330>for <00:32:00.505>watching

754
00:32:01.985 --> 00:32:03.745
<00:32:01.985>and <00:32:02.159>see <00:32:02.334>you <00:32:02.510>next <00:32:02.685>time <00:32:02.860>in <00:32:03.034>Cappuccino <00:32:03.209>with <00:32:03.385>hr.