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<00:16:25.785>as <00:16:25.985>long <00:16:26.185>as <00:16:26.385>we <00:16:26.584>have, <00:16:26.785>it's <00:16:26.985>very <00:16:27.185>easy

383
00:16:27.465 --> 00:16:28.905
<00:16:27.465>to <00:16:27.724>become <00:16:27.983>a <00:16:28.242>grumpy <00:16:28.501>old <00:16:28.761>bastar

384
00:16:29.405 --> 00:16:31.905
<00:16:29.405>and <00:16:29.638>basically <00:16:29.871>just <00:16:30.105>be <00:16:30.338>unhappy <00:16:30.571>with <00:16:30.805>everything

385
00:16:31.905 --> 00:16:33.505
<00:16:31.905>because <00:16:32.255>it's, <00:16:32.605>it's <00:16:32.954>so <00:16:33.305>frustrating

386
00:16:33.505 --> 00:16:35.585
<00:16:33.505>to <00:16:33.680>see <00:16:33.855>the <00:16:34.030>same <00:16:34.205>problems <00:16:34.380>over <00:16:34.555>and <00:16:34.730>over <00:16:34.905>again.

387
00:16:36.005 --> 00:16:38.945
<00:16:36.005>But <00:16:36.145>then <00:16:36.285>you <00:16:36.425>have, <00:16:36.564>uh, <00:16:36.705>talking <00:16:36.845>about <00:16:36.985>grumpy <00:16:37.125>olds, <00:16:37.265>I <00:16:37.405>saw

388
00:16:38.945 --> 00:16:43.065
<00:16:38.945>that <00:16:39.100>Kyle <00:16:39.256>Groves, <00:16:39.411>uh, <00:16:39.567>we <00:16:39.722>might <00:16:39.878>into, <00:16:40.033>uh, <00:16:40.189>get <00:16:40.345>here

389
00:16:43.085 --> 00:16:44.105
<00:16:43.085>as <00:16:43.314>well <00:16:43.544>sooner <00:16:43.773>or <00:16:44.003>later

390
00:16:44.105 --> 00:16:45.705
<00:16:44.105>because <00:16:44.338>he's, <00:16:44.571>another <00:16:44.805>good <00:16:45.038>friend <00:16:45.271>of <00:16:45.505>mine

391
00:16:46.215 --> 00:16:48.785
<00:16:46.215>just <00:16:46.370>had <00:16:46.526>this <00:16:46.681>post <00:16:46.837>about <00:16:46.992>the <00:16:47.148>AI <00:16:47.303>being <00:16:47.459>the <00:16:47.615>future

392
00:16:48.805 --> 00:16:53.105
<00:16:48.805>of <00:16:48.944>accessibility, <00:16:49.084>which <00:16:49.224>is <00:16:49.364>of <00:16:49.505>course <00:16:49.645>the, <00:16:49.785>the <00:16:49.925>huge, <00:16:50.064>uh, <00:16:50.204>uh,

393
00:16:53.505 --> 00:16:55.025
<00:16:53.505>headline <00:16:53.847>for <00:16:54.189>every <00:16:54.531>AI <00:16:54.872>company

394
00:16:55.165 --> 00:16:56.705
<00:16:55.165>and <00:16:55.396>their <00:16:55.627>brother <00:16:55.858>and <00:16:56.089>their <00:16:56.320>dog <00:16:56.551>here.

395
00:16:57.085 --> 00:16:59.425
<00:16:57.085>But <00:16:57.260>I <00:16:57.435>mean, <00:16:57.610>he <00:16:57.785>points <00:16:57.960>out <00:16:58.135>that <00:16:58.310>like <00:16:58.485>sooner

396
00:16:59.425 --> 00:17:02.185
<00:16:59.425>or <00:16:59.532>later <00:16:59.640>we <00:16:59.748>will <00:16:59.855>just <00:16:59.963>have <00:17:00.071>to <00:17:00.178>deal <00:17:00.286>with <00:17:00.394>the <00:17:00.501>fact <00:17:00.609>that <00:17:00.717>a <00:17:00.824>lot

397
00:17:02.185 --> 00:17:03.905
<00:17:02.185>of <00:17:02.418>the <00:17:02.651>stuff <00:17:02.885>will <00:17:03.118>be <00:17:03.351>AI <00:17:03.584>generated

398
00:17:04.405 --> 00:17:05.945
<00:17:04.405>and <00:17:04.636>we <00:17:04.867>have <00:17:05.098>to <00:17:05.329>think <00:17:05.560>about <00:17:05.790>it.

399
00:17:06.445 --> 00:17:10.545
<00:17:06.444>And, <00:17:06.600>uh, <00:17:06.756>um, <00:17:06.911>uh, <00:17:07.067>Nielsen, <00:17:07.222>the, <00:17:07.378>the <00:17:07.533>big <00:17:07.689>ux, <00:17:07.845>uh,

400
00:17:10.725 --> 00:17:12.545
<00:17:10.724>UI <00:17:11.004>guru <00:17:11.284>said <00:17:11.564>the <00:17:11.844>same <00:17:12.125>thing.

401
00:17:12.565 --> 00:17:14.705
<00:17:12.565>He <00:17:12.765>said, <00:17:12.965>like, <00:17:13.165>for <00:17:13.365>20 <00:17:13.565>years <00:17:13.765>we <00:17:13.965>tried

402
00:17:14.705 --> 00:17:17.145
<00:17:14.704>to <00:17:14.938>make <00:17:15.171>interfaces <00:17:15.405>accessible <00:17:15.638>for <00:17:15.871>every <00:17:16.105>people

403
00:17:17.145 --> 00:17:18.745
<00:17:17.145>with <00:17:17.378>all <00:17:17.611>kind <00:17:17.845>of <00:17:18.078>issues <00:17:18.311>out <00:17:18.545>there.

404
00:17:19.085 --> 00:17:20.385
<00:17:19.085>We <00:17:19.377>completely <00:17:19.670>failed <00:17:19.962>a <00:17:20.255>bit.

405
00:17:20.605 --> 00:17:22.745
<00:17:20.605>We <00:17:20.780>might <00:17:20.954>as <00:17:21.130>well <00:17:21.305>use <00:17:21.480>AI <00:17:21.655>to <00:17:21.829>generate, <00:17:22.005>uh,

406
00:17:23.245 --> 00:17:25.025
<00:17:23.244>to <00:17:23.594>generate <00:17:23.944>interfaces <00:17:24.294>on <00:17:24.645>demand.

407
00:17:25.605 --> 00:17:27.385
<00:17:25.605>Do <00:17:25.780>you <00:17:25.954>think <00:17:26.130>that's <00:17:26.305>something <00:17:26.480>where <00:17:26.655>we <00:17:26.829>are <00:17:27.005>going,

408
00:17:27.525 --> 00:17:29.785
<00:17:27.525>or <00:17:27.680>do <00:17:27.836>you <00:17:27.991>think <00:17:28.147>that's <00:17:28.302>still <00:17:28.458>wasteful <00:17:28.613>at <00:17:28.769>the <00:17:28.925>moment?

409
00:17:32.175 --> 00:17:33.945
<00:17:32.175>That, <00:17:32.315>that's <00:17:32.455>a <00:17:32.595>lot <00:17:32.735>of <00:17:32.875>question, <00:17:33.014>a <00:17:33.155>lot <00:17:33.294>of <00:17:33.435>answers <00:17:33.575>there.

410
00:17:33.945 --> 00:17:37.985
<00:17:33.945>Like <00:17:34.120>first <00:17:34.294>this <00:17:34.470>pose, <00:17:34.645>I <00:17:34.820>believe, <00:17:34.995>uh, <00:17:35.169>is, <00:17:35.345>uh,

411
00:17:38.165 --> 00:17:41.225
<00:17:38.165>Carl's <00:17:38.514>reaction <00:17:38.865>to <00:17:39.215>a <00:17:39.565>statement

412
00:17:41.225 --> 00:17:44.425
<00:17:41.225>that <00:17:41.380>came <00:17:41.536>from <00:17:41.691>a <00:17:41.847>big <00:17:42.002>accessibility, <00:17:42.158>uh, <00:17:42.313>company <00:17:42.469>that, <00:17:42.625>uh,

413
00:17:44.735 --> 00:17:45.825
<00:17:44.735>they <00:17:45.225>released, <00:17:45.716>uh,

414
00:17:46.035 --> 00:17:47.545
<00:17:46.035>while <00:17:46.374>the <00:17:46.714>CSUN <00:17:47.054>conference <00:17:47.394>was

415
00:17:47.545 --> 00:17:48.625
<00:17:47.545>going <00:17:47.707>on <00:17:47.869>a <00:17:48.031>couple <00:17:48.193>of <00:17:48.355>weeks <00:17:48.517>ago.

416
00:17:49.385 --> 00:17:52.365
<00:17:49.385>Uh, <00:17:49.540>and <00:17:49.696>they, <00:17:49.851>they <00:17:50.007>basically <00:17:50.162>mentioned <00:17:50.318>we <00:17:50.473>are <00:17:50.629>going <00:17:50.785>to

417
00:17:52.985 --> 00:17:57.605
<00:17:52.985>detect <00:17:53.159>100% <00:17:53.334>of <00:17:53.510>all <00:17:53.685>accessibility <00:17:53.860>issues, <00:17:54.034>uh, <00:17:54.209>using <00:17:54.385>ai.

418
00:17:58.225 --> 00:18:00.925
<00:17:58.225>And <00:17:58.458>then <00:17:58.691>the <00:17:58.925>entire <00:17:59.158>accessibility <00:17:59.391>community <00:17:59.625>was

419
00:18:00.925 --> 00:18:02.655
<00:18:00.925>like, <00:18:01.625>s**t <00:18:02.325>storm.

420
00:18:03.155 --> 00:18:05.895
<00:18:03.155>Uh, <00:18:03.435>and <00:18:03.715>then <00:18:03.995>they <00:18:04.274>pedald <00:18:04.555>back

421
00:18:06.075 --> 00:18:08.215
<00:18:06.075>and, <00:18:06.215>uh, <00:18:06.355>said, <00:18:06.495>you <00:18:06.635>know, <00:18:06.775>how <00:18:06.915>it's <00:18:07.055>like <00:18:07.195>in <00:18:07.335>the <00:18:07.475>next

422
00:18:09.285 --> 00:18:10.665
<00:18:09.285>10 <00:18:09.595>years <00:18:09.906>or <00:18:10.216>so, <00:18:10.527>right?

423
00:18:11.285 --> 00:18:15.045
<00:18:11.285>Uh, <00:18:11.518>his <00:18:11.751>post <00:18:11.985>is <00:18:12.218>much <00:18:12.451>more <00:18:12.685>reflected

424
00:18:15.105 --> 00:18:17.885
<00:18:15.105>and <00:18:15.232>I <00:18:15.359>I <00:18:15.486>encourage <00:18:15.614>you <00:18:15.741>to <00:18:15.868>all <00:18:15.995>to <00:18:16.123>like <00:18:16.250>read <00:18:16.377>through <00:18:16.505>it.

425
00:18:18.385 --> 00:18:22.485
<00:18:18.385>Uh, <00:18:18.525>I <00:18:18.665>think <00:18:18.805>what, <00:18:18.945>what <00:18:19.085>he's <00:18:19.225>touching <00:18:19.365>on <00:18:19.504>there, <00:18:19.645>um, <00:18:19.785>is

426
00:18:23.385 --> 00:18:27.565
<00:18:23.385>all <00:18:23.540>of <00:18:23.696>the <00:18:23.851>opportunities <00:18:24.007>that <00:18:24.162>do <00:18:24.318>in <00:18:24.473>fact <00:18:24.629>exist, <00:18:24.785>right?

427
00:18:28.105 --> 00:18:32.405
<00:18:28.105>Uh, <00:18:28.232>from, <00:18:28.359>from <00:18:28.486>my <00:18:28.614>point <00:18:28.741>of <00:18:28.868>view, <00:18:28.995>uh, <00:18:29.123>looking <00:18:29.250>at <00:18:29.377>the <00:18:29.505>AI

428
00:18:33.145 --> 00:18:38.105
<00:18:33.145>has <00:18:33.345>massive <00:18:33.545>opportunities <00:18:33.745>in <00:18:33.945>terms <00:18:34.145>of <00:18:34.345>trying <00:18:34.545>to

429
00:18:39.015 --> 00:18:41.265
<00:18:39.015>prevent <00:18:39.248>issues <00:18:39.481>in <00:18:39.715>the <00:18:39.948>first <00:18:40.181>place, <00:18:40.415>right?

430
00:18:41.685 --> 00:18:44.485
<00:18:41.685>Uh, <00:18:41.965>the <00:18:42.245>amount <00:18:42.524>of <00:18:42.804>code, <00:18:43.085>uh,

431
00:18:44.655 --> 00:18:47.765
<00:18:44.655>being <00:18:44.888>generated <00:18:45.121>these <00:18:45.355>days <00:18:45.588>using <00:18:45.821>AI <00:18:46.055>is,

432
00:18:47.985 --> 00:18:51.285
<00:18:47.985>is <00:18:48.185>already <00:18:48.385>ridiculously <00:18:48.584>big <00:18:48.784>and <00:18:48.985>only <00:18:49.185>growing <00:18:49.385>further.

433
00:18:51.905 --> 00:18:56.665
<00:18:51.905>So <00:18:52.080>we <00:18:52.254>for <00:18:52.430>the <00:18:52.605>first <00:18:52.780>time <00:18:52.955>have <00:18:53.129>the <00:18:53.305>opportunity

434
00:18:57.485 --> 00:19:02.245
<00:18:57.485>to, <00:18:57.659>to <00:18:57.834>teach <00:18:58.010>not <00:18:58.185>millions <00:18:58.360>of <00:18:58.534>developers <00:18:58.709>to, <00:18:58.885>to

435
00:19:02.815 --> 00:19:05.165
<00:19:02.815>understand <00:19:03.015>accessibility <00:19:03.215>and <00:19:03.415>how <00:19:03.615>to <00:19:03.815>use <00:19:04.015>it <00:19:04.215>properly,

436
00:19:05.265 --> 00:19:09.445
<00:19:05.265>but <00:19:05.545>to <00:19:05.825>teach, <00:19:06.105>to <00:19:06.385>train, <00:19:06.665>uh,

437
00:19:09.845 --> 00:19:13.925
<00:19:09.845>a <00:19:10.000>a <00:19:10.156>handful <00:19:10.311>of, <00:19:10.467>of, <00:19:10.622>uh, <00:19:10.778>machine <00:19:10.933>uh, <00:19:11.089>learning <00:19:11.245>models

438
00:19:15.005 --> 00:19:19.045
<00:19:15.005>on <00:19:15.355>getting <00:19:15.705>the <00:19:16.055>details <00:19:16.405>correct

439
00:19:19.145 --> 00:19:22.965
<00:19:19.145>and <00:19:19.300>understanding <00:19:19.456>what <00:19:19.611>is <00:19:19.767>important <00:19:19.922>to <00:19:20.078>make <00:19:20.233>a <00:19:20.389>UI <00:19:20.545>accessible.

440
00:19:23.305 --> 00:19:25.365
<00:19:23.305>And <00:19:23.585>if <00:19:23.865>that <00:19:24.145>can <00:19:24.425>be <00:19:24.705>done

441
00:19:26.785 --> 00:19:30.365
<00:19:26.785>and <00:19:26.925>more <00:19:27.065>code <00:19:27.205>is <00:19:27.345>being <00:19:27.485>generated <00:19:27.625>using <00:19:27.765>those <00:19:27.905>models <00:19:28.045>in <00:19:28.185>the

442
00:19:30.365 --> 00:19:31.365
<00:19:30.365>future, <00:19:31.265>then

443
00:19:31.635 --> 00:19:35.285
<00:19:31.635>that <00:19:31.790>could <00:19:31.946>in <00:19:32.101>fact <00:19:32.257>be <00:19:32.412>a <00:19:32.568>massive <00:19:32.723>opportunity <00:19:32.879>in <00:19:33.035>reducing

444
00:19:35.875 --> 00:19:39.005
<00:19:35.875>real <00:19:36.015>issues <00:19:36.155>out <00:19:36.295>in <00:19:36.435>the <00:19:36.575>wild, <00:19:36.715>which <00:19:36.855>I <00:19:36.995>would <00:19:37.135>celebrate, <00:19:37.275>right?

445
00:19:39.005 --> 00:19:42.045
<00:19:39.005>Like, <00:19:39.121>uh, <00:19:39.238>if <00:19:39.355>that <00:19:39.471>would <00:19:39.588>work, <00:19:39.705>I'm, <00:19:39.821>I'm <00:19:39.938>all <00:19:40.055>for <00:19:40.171>it <00:19:40.288>right <00:19:40.405>now.

446
00:19:42.515 --> 00:19:45.405
<00:19:42.515>This <00:19:42.670>is <00:19:42.826>something <00:19:42.981>that <00:19:43.137>I <00:19:43.292>guess <00:19:43.448>people <00:19:43.603>are <00:19:43.759>working <00:19:43.915>on.

447
00:19:46.585 --> 00:19:50.045
<00:19:46.585>Uh, <00:19:46.818>what <00:19:47.051>I <00:19:47.285>see <00:19:47.518>more <00:19:47.751>often <00:19:47.985>is

448
00:19:50.715 --> 00:19:54.005
<00:19:50.715>them <00:19:50.870>like <00:19:51.026>trying <00:19:51.181>to <00:19:51.337>like, <00:19:51.492>use <00:19:51.648>ai, <00:19:51.803>like <00:19:51.959>some <00:19:52.115>kind

449
00:19:54.005 --> 00:19:58.085
<00:19:54.005>of <00:19:54.145>like <00:19:54.285>magic <00:19:54.425>quick <00:19:54.565>fix <00:19:54.705>to, <00:19:54.845>to <00:19:54.985>like <00:19:55.125>put <00:19:55.265>on <00:19:55.405>top

450
00:19:58.085 --> 00:20:00.965
<00:19:58.085>of <00:19:58.240>existing <00:19:58.396>websites <00:19:58.551>and <00:19:58.707>say, <00:19:58.862>Hey, <00:19:59.018>look, <00:19:59.173>it's <00:19:59.329>fixed <00:19:59.485>now.

451
00:20:01.345 --> 00:20:02.885
<00:20:01.345>Uh, <00:20:01.622>and <00:20:01.899>it <00:20:02.176>never <00:20:02.453>is, <00:20:02.731>right?

452
00:20:02.885 --> 00:20:04.965
<00:20:02.885>This, <00:20:03.040>this, <00:20:03.196>this <00:20:03.351>is, <00:20:03.507>this <00:20:03.662>is <00:20:03.818>just <00:20:03.973>not <00:20:04.129>the <00:20:04.285>case.

453
00:20:05.025 --> 00:20:06.525
<00:20:05.025>And <00:20:05.217>more <00:20:05.410>often <00:20:05.603>than <00:20:05.796>not <00:20:05.989>makes <00:20:06.182>it <00:20:06.375>worse.

454
00:20:07.265 --> 00:20:09.725
<00:20:07.265>So <00:20:07.440>if, <00:20:07.615>if <00:20:07.790>we <00:20:07.965>debate, <00:20:08.140>wasn't <00:20:08.315>it <00:20:08.490>like <00:20:08.665>when

455
00:20:09.875 --> 00:20:11.165
<00:20:09.875>that <00:20:10.165>is <00:20:10.455>exactly <00:20:10.745>that, <00:20:11.036>right?

456
00:20:11.165 --> 00:20:14.325
<00:20:11.165>Like, <00:20:11.305>uh, <00:20:11.445>if <00:20:11.585>you're, <00:20:11.725>if <00:20:11.865>you're <00:20:12.004>like <00:20:12.145>thinking, <00:20:12.284>Hey, <00:20:12.425>I, <00:20:12.565>I,

457
00:20:14.445 --> 00:20:16.165
<00:20:14.445>I <00:20:14.620>pay, <00:20:14.794>I <00:20:14.970>pay <00:20:15.145>like <00:20:15.320>10 <00:20:15.495>bucks <00:20:15.669>a <00:20:15.845>month

458
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<00:20:16.185>and <00:20:16.385>this <00:20:16.585>one <00:20:16.784>plugin <00:20:16.985>makes <00:20:17.185>everything <00:20:17.385>go <00:20:17.585>wild,

459
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460
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<00:20:23.065>Uh, <00:20:23.240>but <00:20:23.415>then <00:20:23.590>there's <00:20:23.765>so <00:20:23.940>many <00:20:24.115>other <00:20:24.290>opportunities, <00:20:24.465>right?

461
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<00:20:26.005>Like <00:20:26.180>the, <00:20:26.355>the <00:20:26.530>things <00:20:26.705>that <00:20:26.880>he's <00:20:27.055>mentioning <00:20:27.230>is, <00:20:27.405>uh,

462
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<00:20:28.815>using <00:20:29.048>AI <00:20:29.281>in, <00:20:29.515>in <00:20:29.748>helping <00:20:29.981>communicate, <00:20:30.215>right?

463
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<00:20:31.805>Like <00:20:32.005>there <00:20:32.205>is, <00:20:32.405>uh, <00:20:32.605>active <00:20:32.805>work <00:20:33.005>being <00:20:33.205>done

464
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<00:20:34.045>and, <00:20:34.185>um, <00:20:34.325>um, <00:20:34.465>my, <00:20:34.605>my, <00:20:34.745>my <00:20:34.885>team <00:20:35.025>here <00:20:35.165>in, <00:20:35.305>in <00:20:35.445>Zurich

465
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<00:20:37.905>is <00:20:38.060>actually <00:20:38.216>working <00:20:38.371>closely <00:20:38.527>with <00:20:38.682>one <00:20:38.838>of <00:20:38.993>the <00:20:39.149>professors, <00:20:39.305>uh,

466
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<00:20:41.065>at <00:20:41.192>the <00:20:41.319>university <00:20:41.446>in <00:20:41.574>Zurich, <00:20:41.701>uh, <00:20:41.828>to <00:20:41.955>create <00:20:42.083>a, <00:20:42.210>um, <00:20:42.337>AI <00:20:42.465>model

467
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<00:20:45.995>that <00:20:46.169>allows <00:20:46.344>a <00:20:46.520>realtime <00:20:46.695>translation <00:20:46.870>from <00:20:47.044>a <00:20:47.219>spoken <00:20:47.395>word

468
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<00:20:50.145>or <00:20:50.345>written <00:20:50.545>word <00:20:50.745>to <00:20:50.945>sign <00:20:51.145>language, <00:20:51.345>which <00:20:51.545>mm-hmm.

469
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<00:20:53.775>Could <00:20:54.008>in <00:20:54.241>fact <00:20:54.475>be <00:20:54.708>absolutely <00:20:54.941>amazing, <00:20:55.175>right?

470
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<00:20:55.925>And <00:20:56.080>this, <00:20:56.236>this <00:20:56.391>is, <00:20:56.547>this <00:20:56.702>is <00:20:56.858>work <00:20:57.013>that's <00:20:57.169>being <00:20:57.325>done.

471
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<00:20:57.645>There's, <00:20:57.820>uh, <00:20:57.995>money <00:20:58.170>invested <00:20:58.345>and <00:20:58.520>this <00:20:58.695>will <00:20:58.870>eventually <00:20:59.045>work

472
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<00:21:01.745>and <00:21:01.945>it <00:21:02.145>will <00:21:02.344>help <00:21:02.544>communicate <00:21:02.745>in <00:21:02.945>a <00:21:03.145>way

473
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<00:21:04.725>that <00:21:04.880>is <00:21:05.036>right <00:21:05.191>now <00:21:05.347>not <00:21:05.502>possible <00:21:05.658>thanks <00:21:05.813>to <00:21:05.969>ai, <00:21:06.125>right?

474
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<00:21:08.215>There <00:21:08.389>is <00:21:08.564>opportunities <00:21:08.740>in <00:21:08.915>all <00:21:09.090>of <00:21:09.264>these <00:21:09.439>directions <00:21:09.615>there.

475
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<00:21:11.925>And <00:21:12.125>there's <00:21:12.325>also <00:21:12.524>things <00:21:12.725>like, <00:21:12.925>I <00:21:13.125>don't <00:21:13.325>need

476
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<00:21:15.085>to <00:21:15.260>put <00:21:15.435>an <00:21:15.610>alt <00:21:15.785>text <00:21:15.960>on <00:21:16.135>that <00:21:16.310>image <00:21:16.485>anymore

477
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<00:21:17.445>because <00:21:17.645>the <00:21:17.845>browsers <00:21:18.044>now <00:21:18.245>have <00:21:18.445>to <00:21:18.645>build <00:21:18.845>in

478
00:21:20.045 --> 00:21:22.485
<00:21:20.045>and <00:21:20.172>you <00:21:20.299>can <00:21:20.426>just, <00:21:20.554>uh, <00:21:20.681>have <00:21:20.808>an <00:21:20.935>old <00:21:21.063>text <00:21:21.190>auto <00:21:21.317>generated <00:21:21.445>when

479
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<00:21:22.485>it's <00:21:22.718>missing <00:21:22.951>again, <00:21:23.185>not <00:21:23.418>the <00:21:23.651>solution, <00:21:23.885>right?

480
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<00:21:26.285>Because, <00:21:26.440>um, <00:21:26.596>and <00:21:26.751>this <00:21:26.907>is <00:21:27.062>something <00:21:27.218>I've <00:21:27.373>been <00:21:27.529>repeating <00:21:27.685>way

481
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<00:21:29.165>too <00:21:29.320>often, <00:21:29.476>like, <00:21:29.631>you <00:21:29.787>as <00:21:29.942>the <00:21:30.098>author <00:21:30.253>of <00:21:30.409>the <00:21:30.565>page

482
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<00:21:32.355>have <00:21:32.555>a <00:21:32.755>two <00:21:32.955>completely <00:21:33.155>different, <00:21:33.355>uh, <00:21:33.555>insight <00:21:33.755>on

483
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<00:21:35.395>what <00:21:35.570>this <00:21:35.745>image <00:21:35.920>means <00:21:36.095>for <00:21:36.270>you <00:21:36.445>on <00:21:36.620>that <00:21:36.795>page,

484
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<00:21:38.625>and <00:21:38.780>only <00:21:38.936>you <00:21:39.091>can <00:21:39.247>transport <00:21:39.402>that <00:21:39.558>information <00:21:39.713>on <00:21:39.869>that <00:21:40.025>page.

485
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<00:21:41.785>And <00:21:41.892>an <00:21:42.000>AI <00:21:42.108>can <00:21:42.215>tell <00:21:42.323>you, <00:21:42.431>yes, <00:21:42.538>there's <00:21:42.646>a <00:21:42.754>doc <00:21:42.861>on <00:21:42.969>that, <00:21:43.077>uh, <00:21:43.185>on

486
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<00:21:45.405>that <00:21:45.580>picture, <00:21:45.754>but <00:21:45.930>only <00:21:46.105>you <00:21:46.280>can <00:21:46.455>give <00:21:46.629>the <00:21:46.805>insights.

487
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<00:21:48.305>So <00:21:48.480>please <00:21:48.655>don't <00:21:48.830>stop <00:21:49.005>adding <00:21:49.180>alt <00:21:49.355>text. <00:21:49.530>It <00:21:49.705>would

488
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<00:21:52.255>Be, <00:21:52.395>it <00:21:52.535>would <00:21:52.675>be <00:21:52.815>interesting <00:21:52.955>if <00:21:53.095>it's <00:21:53.235>gonna <00:21:53.375>go <00:21:53.515>the <00:21:53.655>other

489
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<00:21:54.415>direction, <00:21:54.590>seeing <00:21:54.764>that <00:21:54.940>AI <00:21:55.115>is <00:21:55.290>used <00:21:55.465>for <00:21:55.639>image <00:21:55.815>generation,

490
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<00:21:57.175>that <00:21:57.315>people <00:21:57.455>just <00:21:57.595>put <00:21:57.735>like <00:21:57.875>a <00:21:58.014>prompt <00:21:58.155>in <00:21:58.294>there <00:21:58.435>as <00:21:58.575>an,

491
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<00:21:59.755>as <00:21:59.895>an <00:22:00.035>alt <00:22:00.175>text <00:22:00.315>and <00:22:00.455>generate <00:22:00.595>the <00:22:00.735>image <00:22:00.875>automatically <00:22:01.015>from <00:22:01.155>it.

492
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<00:22:03.435>So <00:22:03.562>that <00:22:03.689>might <00:22:03.816>be <00:22:03.944>the <00:22:04.071>next <00:22:04.198>thing <00:22:04.325>that <00:22:04.453>Gemini <00:22:04.580>can <00:22:04.707>do <00:22:04.835>in,

493
00:22:06.035 --> 00:22:08.455
<00:22:06.035>in <00:22:06.210>Chrome <00:22:06.385>that <00:22:06.560>you <00:22:06.735>basically, <00:22:06.910>if <00:22:07.085>you <00:22:07.260>have <00:22:07.435>an,

494
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<00:22:08.455>if <00:22:08.692>you <00:22:08.930>have <00:22:09.167>an <00:22:09.405>alt <00:22:09.643>prompt

495
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<00:22:09.955>and <00:22:10.095>then <00:22:10.235>it <00:22:10.375>actually <00:22:10.514>generates <00:22:10.655>the <00:22:10.794>image <00:22:10.935>on <00:22:11.074>the <00:22:11.215>fly <00:22:11.355>every

496
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<00:22:12.495>single <00:22:12.716>time, <00:22:12.938>a <00:22:13.160>different <00:22:13.382>one <00:22:13.605>for <00:22:13.827>you,

497
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<00:22:14.355>and <00:22:14.555>every <00:22:14.755>single <00:22:14.955>time <00:22:15.155>some <00:22:15.355>other <00:22:15.555>I <00:22:15.755>wonky

498
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<00:22:16.455>or, <00:22:16.688>uh, <00:22:16.921>seven <00:22:17.155>fingers <00:22:17.388>instead <00:22:17.621>of <00:22:17.855>six

499
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<00:22:18.635>or, <00:22:18.915>uh, <00:22:19.195>these <00:22:19.475>kind <00:22:19.754>of <00:22:20.035>things.

500
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<00:22:20.755>The, <00:22:20.871>the, <00:22:20.988>uh, <00:22:21.105>we <00:22:21.221>had <00:22:21.338>it <00:22:21.455>last <00:22:21.571>time, <00:22:21.688>the, <00:22:21.805>the <00:22:21.921>guy <00:22:22.038>from <00:22:22.155>Drupal,

501
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<00:22:24.675>uh, <00:22:24.994>had <00:22:25.314>this <00:22:25.633>big <00:22:25.953>article.

502
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<00:22:26.115>We <00:22:26.270>had <00:22:26.426>like <00:22:26.581>4,000 <00:22:26.737>wor <00:22:26.892>4,000 <00:22:27.048>images <00:22:27.203>with <00:22:27.359>alternative <00:22:27.515>text

503
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<00:22:29.295>that <00:22:29.575>used <00:22:29.855>like <00:22:30.135>different <00:22:30.415>models <00:22:30.695>how

504
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<00:22:30.855>to <00:22:31.088>actually <00:22:31.321>generate <00:22:31.555>a <00:22:31.788>good <00:22:32.021>alternative <00:22:32.255>text.

505
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<00:22:32.845>Yeah. <00:22:33.000>And <00:22:33.156>I <00:22:33.311>think <00:22:33.467>it's <00:22:33.622>a <00:22:33.778>legal <00:22:33.933>thing <00:22:34.089>that, <00:22:34.245>uh,

506
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<00:22:36.345>saves <00:22:36.578>you <00:22:36.811>from <00:22:37.045>not <00:22:37.278>having <00:22:37.511>done <00:22:37.745>anything,

507
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<00:22:39.115>but, <00:22:39.255>uh, <00:22:39.395>uh, <00:22:39.535>90% <00:22:39.675>of <00:22:39.815>the <00:22:39.955>time <00:22:40.095>it's <00:22:40.235>just <00:22:40.375>completely <00:22:40.515>off.

508
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<00:22:42.285>It's <00:22:42.611>just, <00:22:42.937>uh, <00:22:43.263>it, <00:22:43.590>it,

509
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<00:22:43.755>and <00:22:43.955>yeah, <00:22:44.155>as <00:22:44.355>you <00:22:44.555>said, <00:22:44.755>it <00:22:44.955>should <00:22:45.155>not,

510
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<00:22:45.995>an <00:22:46.135>all <00:22:46.274>text <00:22:46.415>should <00:22:46.554>not <00:22:46.695>describe <00:22:46.834>what <00:22:46.975>the <00:22:47.114>image <00:22:47.254>looks <00:22:47.395>like,

511
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<00:22:48.395>but <00:22:48.705>what <00:22:49.016>it <00:22:49.326>means, <00:22:49.637>yes.

512
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<00:22:49.775>And, <00:22:50.008>and, <00:22:50.241>and <00:22:50.475>LLM <00:22:50.708>cannot <00:22:50.941>do <00:22:51.175>that.

513
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<00:22:52.415>That's <00:22:52.698>exactly <00:22:52.982>the <00:22:53.265>difference, <00:22:53.549>right?

514
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<00:22:53.675>Like, <00:22:53.815>uh, <00:22:53.955>what <00:22:54.095>you <00:22:54.235>just <00:22:54.375>mentioned, <00:22:54.514>remind <00:22:54.655>me, <00:22:54.794>uh, <00:22:54.935>so <00:22:55.075>I'm,

515
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<00:22:57.665>I've <00:22:57.901>forgotten <00:22:58.137>to <00:22:58.373>mention <00:22:58.610>that.

516
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<00:22:58.715>Like, <00:22:58.931>I'm, <00:22:59.147>I'm <00:22:59.362>one <00:22:59.579>of <00:22:59.795>the <00:23:00.011>leads

517
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<00:23:00.155>of <00:23:00.435>the <00:23:00.715>accessibility <00:23:00.995>Discover <00:23:01.274>Center <00:23:01.555>here

518
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<00:23:02.135>at, <00:23:02.373>at <00:23:02.612>Google <00:23:02.850>and <00:23:03.089>Zurich.

519
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<00:23:03.195>There <00:23:03.350>was <00:23:03.506>a <00:23:03.661>couple <00:23:03.817>of <00:23:03.972>those <00:23:04.128>in, <00:23:04.283>uh, <00:23:04.439>across <00:23:04.595>Europe.

520
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<00:23:05.935>Uh, <00:23:06.075>they're <00:23:06.215>just <00:23:06.355>one <00:23:06.495>in <00:23:06.635>London. <00:23:06.774>Dan, <00:23:06.915>relevant <00:23:07.054>for <00:23:07.195>you, <00:23:07.335>uh,

521
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<00:23:09.665>there's, <00:23:09.840>uh, <00:23:10.014>one <00:23:10.190>in <00:23:10.365>Berlin <00:23:10.540>as <00:23:10.715>well, <00:23:10.889>Chris, <00:23:11.065>um,

522
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<00:23:13.815>no <00:23:14.071>wait, <00:23:14.328>it's <00:23:14.584>in <00:23:14.841>Munich.

523
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<00:23:14.955>Nevermind. <00:23:16.107>Uh,

524
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<00:23:16.375>but <00:23:16.530>same <00:23:16.686>thing, <00:23:16.841>it's, <00:23:16.997>it's <00:23:17.152>relevant <00:23:17.308>anyway, <00:23:17.463>like, <00:23:17.619>uh, <00:23:17.775>it's,

525
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<00:23:20.635>it's <00:23:21.101>a <00:23:21.568>location <00:23:22.035>where,

526
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<00:23:22.365>where <00:23:22.645>we're <00:23:22.925>showing <00:23:23.205>off <00:23:23.485>accessible <00:23:23.765>tech

527
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<00:23:25.295>and <00:23:25.495>then <00:23:25.695>how, <00:23:25.895>uh, <00:23:26.095>this <00:23:26.295>technology <00:23:26.495>can <00:23:26.695>help.

528
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<00:23:27.855>The <00:23:28.042>reason <00:23:28.230>why <00:23:28.418>I <00:23:28.605>just <00:23:28.793>remembered <00:23:28.981>that <00:23:29.169>is

529
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<00:23:29.315>because <00:23:29.470>you <00:23:29.626>mentioned, <00:23:29.781>uh, <00:23:29.937>um, <00:23:30.092>uh, <00:23:30.248>this, <00:23:30.403>this, <00:23:30.559>this <00:23:30.715>artist,

530
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<00:23:33.175>and <00:23:33.282>I <00:23:33.390>remembered, <00:23:33.498>uh, <00:23:33.605>one <00:23:33.713>of <00:23:33.821>the <00:23:33.928>tours <00:23:34.036>I <00:23:34.144>gave <00:23:34.251>had <00:23:34.359>a, <00:23:34.467>a, <00:23:34.575>uh,

531
00:23:37.975 --> 00:23:41.915
<00:23:37.975>an <00:23:38.149>artist, <00:23:38.324>uh, <00:23:38.500>here <00:23:38.675>from <00:23:38.850>Zurich, <00:23:39.024>uh, <00:23:39.199>bill <00:23:39.375>Tower.

532
00:23:41.915 --> 00:23:43.835
<00:23:41.915>What <00:23:42.090>do <00:23:42.264>you <00:23:42.440>say <00:23:42.615>in <00:23:42.790>English? <00:23:42.965>Uh, <00:23:43.139>doesn't <00:23:43.315>matter.

533
00:23:44.085 --> 00:23:47.565
<00:23:44.085>Stone <00:23:44.260>Mason. <00:23:44.435>So <00:23:44.610>Mason, <00:23:44.785>thank <00:23:44.960>you, <00:23:45.135>uh, <00:23:45.310>amazing <00:23:45.485>artist.

534
00:23:47.585 --> 00:23:48.605
<00:23:47.585>And <00:23:47.891>he <00:23:48.197>has <00:23:48.503>websites

535
00:23:48.665 --> 00:23:52.525
<00:23:48.665>and, <00:23:48.805>uh, <00:23:48.945>he, <00:23:49.085>he <00:23:49.225>picked <00:23:49.365>me <00:23:49.504>afterwards <00:23:49.645>saying, <00:23:49.784>Hey, <00:23:49.925>uh, <00:23:50.065>thanks

536
00:23:52.545 --> 00:23:54.565
<00:23:52.545>for <00:23:52.720>the <00:23:52.895>tour, <00:23:53.070>and, <00:23:53.245>uh, <00:23:53.420>thanks <00:23:53.595>for <00:23:53.770>the <00:23:53.945>workshop.

537
00:23:54.705 --> 00:23:57.845
<00:23:54.705>And, <00:23:54.845>uh, <00:23:54.985>I, <00:23:55.125>I <00:23:55.264>now <00:23:55.405>want <00:23:55.544>to <00:23:55.685>make <00:23:55.824>that <00:23:55.965>website <00:23:56.105>accessible.

538
00:23:58.225 --> 00:24:02.635
<00:23:58.225>And <00:23:58.380>he <00:23:58.536>ran <00:23:58.691>like, <00:23:58.847>uh, <00:23:59.002>the <00:23:59.158>x <00:23:59.313>uh, <00:23:59.469>test <00:23:59.625>against

539
00:24:02.695 --> 00:24:03.955
<00:24:02.695>and <00:24:02.978>was <00:24:03.262>like, <00:24:03.545>okay, <00:24:03.829>there's

540
00:24:04.505 --> 00:24:06.755
<00:24:04.505>that <00:24:04.660>many <00:24:04.816>hundred <00:24:04.971>pictures <00:24:05.127>that <00:24:05.282>are <00:24:05.438>missing <00:24:05.593>in <00:24:05.749>all <00:24:05.905>text.

541
00:24:06.775 --> 00:24:08.195
<00:24:06.775>And <00:24:06.957>he <00:24:07.140>was <00:24:07.322>like, <00:24:07.505>can <00:24:07.687>I <00:24:07.870>not <00:24:08.053>like,

542
00:24:08.415 --> 00:24:09.955
<00:24:08.415>use <00:24:08.646>something <00:24:08.877>to <00:24:09.108>do <00:24:09.339>this <00:24:09.570>for <00:24:09.801>me?

543
00:24:10.455 --> 00:24:15.275
<00:24:10.455>And <00:24:10.629>he's <00:24:10.804>an <00:24:10.980>artist. <00:24:11.155>He <00:24:11.330>wants <00:24:11.504>to <00:24:11.679>communicate <00:24:11.855>something

544
00:24:15.585 --> 00:24:17.875
<00:24:15.585>through <00:24:15.865>his <00:24:16.145>art, <00:24:16.425>through <00:24:16.705>his <00:24:16.985>hands,

545
00:24:18.015 --> 00:24:21.075
<00:24:18.015>and <00:24:18.190>yet <00:24:18.365>he <00:24:18.540>was <00:24:18.715>not <00:24:18.890>willing <00:24:19.065>to <00:24:19.240>like, <00:24:19.415>put

546
00:24:21.075 --> 00:24:24.315
<00:24:21.075>that <00:24:21.230>knowledge <00:24:21.386>about <00:24:21.541>the <00:24:21.697>image <00:24:21.852>in <00:24:22.008>there, <00:24:22.163>which <00:24:22.319>was <00:24:22.475>com.

547
00:24:24.465 --> 00:24:26.875
<00:24:24.465>Like <00:24:24.620>I <00:24:24.776>told, <00:24:24.931>yeah, <00:24:25.087>sure, <00:24:25.242>you <00:24:25.398>can <00:24:25.553>run <00:24:25.709>an, <00:24:25.865>uh,

548
00:24:26.975 --> 00:24:27.995
<00:24:26.975>an <00:24:27.281>AI <00:24:27.587>against <00:24:27.892>it,

549
00:24:28.015 --> 00:24:30.475
<00:24:28.015>but <00:24:28.190>what's <00:24:28.365>the <00:24:28.540>point <00:24:28.715>that <00:24:28.890>I <00:24:29.065>does <00:24:29.240>not <00:24:29.415>know

550
00:24:30.505 --> 00:24:31.915
<00:24:30.505>what <00:24:30.822>you <00:24:31.139>want <00:24:31.456>to <00:24:31.774>communicate?

551
00:24:32.855 --> 00:24:34.455
<00:24:32.855>Hmm. <00:24:33.555>It's <00:24:34.255>interesting

552
00:24:34.575 --> 00:24:36.215
<00:24:34.575>'cause <00:24:34.750>when <00:24:34.925>I <00:24:35.100>worked <00:24:35.275>at <00:24:35.450>Microsoft, <00:24:35.625>there <00:24:35.800>were <00:24:35.975>lots

553
00:24:36.215 --> 00:24:37.215
<00:24:36.215>of <00:24:36.514>like <00:24:36.814>demos <00:24:37.115>internally,

554
00:24:37.235 --> 00:24:39.055
<00:24:37.235>and <00:24:37.435>I <00:24:37.635>don't <00:24:37.834>think <00:24:38.034>it's <00:24:38.235>actually <00:24:38.435>live <00:24:38.635>yet,

555
00:24:39.475 --> 00:24:42.215
<00:24:39.475>but <00:24:39.630>they <00:24:39.786>were <00:24:39.941>thinking <00:24:40.097>about <00:24:40.252>like <00:24:40.408>anytime <00:24:40.563>there's <00:24:40.719>audio <00:24:40.875>on

556
00:24:42.215 --> 00:24:43.975
<00:24:42.215>the <00:24:42.495>page, <00:24:42.774>it <00:24:43.054>would <00:24:43.334>automatically <00:24:43.615>transcribe,

557
00:24:43.975 --> 00:24:46.455
<00:24:43.975>transcribe <00:24:44.208>it <00:24:44.441>from <00:24:44.675>the <00:24:44.908>operating <00:24:45.141>system <00:24:45.375>and

558
00:24:46.475 --> 00:24:47.615
<00:24:46.475>or <00:24:46.817>from <00:24:47.158>Edge <00:24:47.501>itself.

559
00:24:48.335 --> 00:24:50.255
<00:24:48.335>I <00:24:48.615>think <00:24:48.895>with <00:24:49.175>Google <00:24:49.455>Chrome, <00:24:49.735>Gini,

560
00:24:50.315 --> 00:24:52.535
<00:24:50.315>you <00:24:50.515>have <00:24:50.715>similar <00:24:50.915>things <00:24:51.115>in <00:24:51.315>the <00:24:51.515>making, <00:24:51.715>especially

561
00:24:52.535 --> 00:24:54.655
<00:24:52.535>with <00:24:52.768>the <00:24:53.001>on <00:24:53.235>device, <00:24:53.468>uh, <00:24:53.701>AI <00:24:53.935>stuff.

562
00:24:54.755 --> 00:24:58.215
<00:24:54.755>We <00:24:54.882>had <00:24:55.009>just <00:24:55.136>the, <00:24:55.264>uh, <00:24:55.391>uh, <00:24:55.518>web <00:24:55.645>development <00:24:55.773>AI <00:24:55.900>day <00:24:56.027>last <00:24:56.155>week

563
00:24:58.425 --> 00:25:00.975
<00:24:58.425>where <00:24:58.600>Thomas <00:24:58.774>Steiner <00:24:58.950>showed <00:24:59.125>a <00:24:59.300>few <00:24:59.475>of <00:24:59.649>those <00:24:59.825>things.

564
00:25:01.635 --> 00:25:03.535
<00:25:01.635>Uh, <00:25:01.835>and <00:25:02.035>yeah, <00:25:02.235>it's <00:25:02.435>the <00:25:02.635>same <00:25:02.835>thing <00:25:03.035>there.

565
00:25:03.565 --> 00:25:05.895
<00:25:03.565>Like, <00:25:03.765>I <00:25:03.965>mean, <00:25:04.165>you <00:25:04.365>can <00:25:04.565>save <00:25:04.765>your <00:25:04.965>legal,

566
00:25:06.555 --> 00:25:09.455
<00:25:06.555>but <00:25:06.755>by <00:25:06.955>having <00:25:07.155>autogenerated <00:25:07.355>captions <00:25:07.555>on <00:25:07.755>your <00:25:07.955>video.

567
00:25:10.075 --> 00:25:12.415
<00:25:10.075>But <00:25:10.250>if <00:25:10.425>you <00:25:10.600>ever <00:25:10.775>looked <00:25:10.950>at <00:25:11.125>like <00:25:11.300>YouTube <00:25:11.475>videos

568
00:25:12.465 --> 00:25:14.295
<00:25:12.465>where <00:25:12.814>it <00:25:13.165>was <00:25:13.514>autogenerated, <00:25:13.865>yeah,

569
00:25:14.885 --> 00:25:18.575
<00:25:14.885>then <00:25:15.025>you'd <00:25:15.165>see <00:25:15.305>it's <00:25:15.445>really <00:25:15.585>not <00:25:15.725>that, <00:25:15.865>uh, <00:25:16.004>uh, <00:25:16.145>that <00:25:16.285>perfect.

570
00:25:18.955 --> 00:25:20.495
<00:25:18.955>And <00:25:19.186>they, <00:25:19.417>if <00:25:19.648>you <00:25:19.879>say <00:25:20.110>naughty <00:25:20.341>words,

571
00:25:20.515 --> 00:25:21.655
<00:25:20.515>it <00:25:20.771>actually <00:25:21.028>doesn't <00:25:21.284>do <00:25:21.541>them.

572
00:25:22.455 --> 00:25:24.655
<00:25:22.455>Uh, <00:25:22.688>PowerPoint <00:25:22.921>has <00:25:23.155>that <00:25:23.388>building <00:25:23.621>as <00:25:23.855>well.

573
00:25:24.765 --> 00:25:26.535
<00:25:24.765>When <00:25:24.965>you, <00:25:25.165>in <00:25:25.365>PowerPoint, <00:25:25.565>if <00:25:25.765>you <00:25:25.965>actually <00:25:26.165>speak,

574
00:25:26.595 --> 00:25:27.735
<00:25:26.595>you <00:25:26.851>can <00:25:27.108>have, <00:25:27.364>uh, <00:25:27.620>captions

575
00:25:27.735 --> 00:25:29.455
<00:25:27.735>and <00:25:27.909>you <00:25:28.084>can <00:25:28.260>actually <00:25:28.435>turn <00:25:28.610>'em <00:25:28.784>into <00:25:28.959>another <00:25:29.135>language.

576
00:25:29.475 --> 00:25:32.295
<00:25:29.475>So <00:25:29.602>you <00:25:29.729>can <00:25:29.856>actually <00:25:29.984>have, <00:25:30.111>uh, <00:25:30.238>you <00:25:30.365>can <00:25:30.493>speak <00:25:30.620>in, <00:25:30.747>in, <00:25:30.875>uh,

577
00:25:32.295 --> 00:25:33.615
<00:25:32.295>in <00:25:32.464>English, <00:25:32.634>and <00:25:32.804>it <00:25:32.973>shows <00:25:33.143>it <00:25:33.313>in <00:25:33.483>German.

578
00:25:33.995 --> 00:25:36.895
<00:25:33.995>So <00:25:34.195>these <00:25:34.395>are <00:25:34.594>all <00:25:34.794>cool <00:25:34.995>convenience <00:25:35.195>methods, <00:25:35.395>uh,

579
00:25:37.115 --> 00:25:39.215
<00:25:37.115>and <00:25:37.315>I <00:25:37.515>think <00:25:37.715>they're, <00:25:37.915>they're <00:25:38.115>interesting <00:25:38.315>to <00:25:38.515>use

580
00:25:39.215 --> 00:25:40.615
<00:25:39.215>and <00:25:39.425>you <00:25:39.635>should <00:25:39.845>embrace <00:25:40.055>them <00:25:40.264>as <00:25:40.475>well.

581
00:25:40.675 --> 00:25:42.855
<00:25:40.675>But <00:25:41.141>a <00:25:41.608>proper <00:25:42.075>transcription

582
00:25:42.955 --> 00:25:44.775
<00:25:42.955>or <00:25:43.188>a <00:25:43.421>proper <00:25:43.655>alternative <00:25:43.888>text <00:25:44.121>is <00:25:44.355>something

583
00:25:44.775 --> 00:25:47.295
<00:25:44.775>that <00:25:44.975>probably <00:25:45.175>should, <00:25:45.375>uh, <00:25:45.575>done <00:25:45.775>by <00:25:45.975>the <00:25:46.175>human

584
00:25:47.355 --> 00:25:48.775
<00:25:47.355>who <00:25:47.674>actually <00:25:47.994>uploaded <00:25:48.313>that <00:25:48.633>image

585
00:25:48.795 --> 00:25:50.375
<00:25:48.795>and <00:25:49.261>wanted <00:25:49.728>to <00:25:50.195>convey

586
00:25:50.375 --> 00:25:53.215
<00:25:50.375>what <00:25:50.515>it <00:25:50.655>means <00:25:50.795>rather <00:25:50.935>than <00:25:51.075>like <00:25:51.215>what <00:25:51.355>it <00:25:51.495>looks <00:25:51.635>like. <00:25:51.775>Yeah,

587
00:25:53.895 --> 00:25:54.895
<00:25:53.895>A <00:25:54.075>hundred <00:25:54.254>percent. <00:25:54.435>But <00:25:54.615>then, <00:25:54.795>like

588
00:25:54.895 --> 00:25:56.815
<00:25:54.895>the, <00:25:55.175>the <00:25:55.455>auto <00:25:55.735>auto <00:25:56.014>transcribe <00:25:56.295>feature

589
00:25:56.815 --> 00:25:59.215
<00:25:56.815>that <00:25:56.970>is <00:25:57.126>built <00:25:57.281>into <00:25:57.437>a <00:25:57.592>lot <00:25:57.748>of <00:25:57.903>operating <00:25:58.059>systems <00:25:58.215>now

590
00:25:59.765 --> 00:26:00.935
<00:25:59.765>that <00:26:00.028>is <00:26:00.291>pure <00:26:00.554>gold, <00:26:00.818>right?

591
00:26:00.935 --> 00:26:03.695
<00:26:00.935>Like, <00:26:01.135>if <00:26:01.335>you're <00:26:01.534>watching <00:26:01.735>like, <00:26:01.935>uh, <00:26:02.135>live <00:26:02.335>TV

592
00:26:03.795 --> 00:26:06.295
<00:26:03.795>or <00:26:03.970>like <00:26:04.145>a, <00:26:04.320>a <00:26:04.495>part <00:26:04.670>of <00:26:04.845>a <00:26:05.020>video <00:26:05.195>conference,

593
00:26:06.795 --> 00:26:09.295
<00:26:06.795>having <00:26:06.995>something <00:26:07.195>like <00:26:07.395>this, <00:26:07.595>uh, <00:26:07.795>transcribed <00:26:07.995>for <00:26:08.195>you,

594
00:26:09.545 --> 00:26:12.015
<00:26:09.545>allow <00:26:09.778>you <00:26:10.011>to <00:26:10.245>like <00:26:10.478>read, <00:26:10.711>uh, <00:26:10.945>along

595
00:26:12.685 --> 00:26:14.135
<00:26:12.685>when <00:26:13.011>you <00:26:13.337>have, <00:26:13.663>uh, <00:26:13.990>trouble.

596
00:26:14.405 --> 00:26:16.735
<00:26:14.405>Otherwise <00:26:14.685>understanding <00:26:14.965>the <00:26:15.245>communication <00:26:15.524>that <00:26:15.805>is,

597
00:26:16.735 --> 00:26:19.375
<00:26:16.735>that <00:26:16.935>is <00:26:17.135>accessibility <00:26:17.334>thanks <00:26:17.534>to <00:26:17.735>AI <00:26:17.935>right <00:26:18.135>there.

598
00:26:20.085 --> 00:26:22.215
<00:26:20.085>Well, <00:26:20.260>VOC <00:26:20.435>has <00:26:20.610>that <00:26:20.785>built <00:26:20.960>in <00:26:21.135>now <00:26:21.310>as <00:26:21.485>well,

599
00:26:22.245 --> 00:26:25.895
<00:26:22.245>that <00:26:22.419>basically <00:26:22.594>you <00:26:22.770>can <00:26:22.945>generate, <00:26:23.120>uh, <00:26:23.294>uh, <00:26:23.469>subtitles, <00:26:23.645>uh,

600
00:26:25.895 --> 00:26:29.135
<00:26:25.895>or <00:26:26.050>captions <00:26:26.206>from <00:26:26.361>the <00:26:26.517>audio <00:26:26.672>directly <00:26:26.828>in <00:26:26.983>the <00:26:27.139>video <00:26:27.295>player.

601
00:26:29.635 --> 00:26:33.175
<00:26:29.635>But, <00:26:29.775>uh, <00:26:29.915>again, <00:26:30.055>the <00:26:30.195>quality <00:26:30.335>is <00:26:30.475>a <00:26:30.615>bit <00:26:30.754>like <00:26:30.895>downloading <00:26:31.035>some,

602
00:26:33.315 --> 00:26:35.495
<00:26:33.315>uh, <00:26:33.548>uh, <00:26:33.781>pirated <00:26:34.015>subtitle <00:26:34.248>from <00:26:34.481>the <00:26:34.715>movie

603
00:26:35.495 --> 00:26:37.175
<00:26:35.495>that <00:26:35.728>you <00:26:35.961>just <00:26:36.195>didn't <00:26:36.428>get <00:26:36.661>on <00:26:36.895>Amazon

604
00:26:37.175 --> 00:26:38.615
<00:26:37.175>because <00:26:37.434>they <00:26:37.693>didn't <00:26:37.952>have <00:26:38.211>the <00:26:38.471>subtitle.

605
00:26:38.675 --> 00:26:41.775
<00:26:38.675>So <00:26:38.875>sometimes <00:26:39.075>you <00:26:39.274>have <00:26:39.475>like <00:26:39.675>50 <00:26:39.875>millisecond <00:26:40.075>delay

606
00:26:41.775 --> 00:26:42.815
<00:26:41.775>in <00:26:42.009>your, <00:26:42.243>like, <00:26:42.477>other <00:26:42.711>words.

607
00:26:42.875 --> 00:26:46.565
<00:26:42.875>And <00:26:43.002>like, <00:26:43.129>uh, <00:26:43.256>uh, <00:26:43.384>yeah, <00:26:43.511>bad <00:26:43.638>subtitles <00:26:43.765>used <00:26:43.893>to <00:26:44.020>be <00:26:44.147>a <00:26:44.275>joke.

608
00:26:46.665 --> 00:26:49.925
<00:26:46.665>Uh, <00:26:46.792>I <00:26:46.919>remember <00:26:47.046>the, <00:26:47.174>the, <00:26:47.301>uh, <00:26:47.428>uh, <00:26:47.555>the <00:26:47.683>Lord, <00:26:47.810>the <00:26:47.937>Rings <00:26:48.065>one,

609
00:26:49.925 --> 00:26:52.245
<00:26:49.925>there <00:26:50.100>was <00:26:50.274>a <00:26:50.450>Chinese <00:26:50.625>co <00:26:50.800>uh, <00:26:50.975>uh, <00:26:51.149>copyright <00:26:51.325>the,

610
00:26:52.245 --> 00:26:54.605
<00:26:52.245>the <00:26:52.419>Chinese <00:26:52.594>copy <00:26:52.770>where <00:26:52.945>they <00:26:53.120>wrote <00:26:53.294>their <00:26:53.469>own <00:26:53.645>subtitles,

611
00:26:54.625 --> 00:26:57.005
<00:26:54.625>and <00:26:54.800>it <00:26:54.975>was <00:26:55.150>just <00:26:55.325>full <00:26:55.500>of <00:26:55.675>wonderful, <00:26:55.850>wonderful <00:26:56.025>mistakes.

612
00:26:57.745 --> 00:26:59.805
<00:26:57.745>But, <00:26:57.919>uh, <00:26:58.094>yeah, <00:26:58.270>it <00:26:58.445>should <00:26:58.620>not <00:26:58.794>be <00:26:58.969>that <00:26:59.145>way.

613
00:26:59.865 --> 00:27:02.565
<00:26:59.865>And <00:27:00.040>I'm <00:27:00.215>actually <00:27:00.390>worried <00:27:00.565>that, <00:27:00.740>uh, <00:27:00.915>people <00:27:01.090>like <00:27:01.265>Amazon,

614
00:27:02.565 --> 00:27:05.085
<00:27:02.565>Netflix <00:27:02.740>and <00:27:02.915>other <00:27:03.090>people <00:27:03.265>are <00:27:03.440>thinking <00:27:03.615>about <00:27:03.790>using <00:27:03.965>AI

615
00:27:05.085 --> 00:27:08.245
<00:27:05.085>to <00:27:05.285>generate, <00:27:05.485>uh, <00:27:05.685>subtitles <00:27:05.885>and <00:27:06.085>captions <00:27:06.285>for <00:27:06.485>movies.

616
00:27:09.205 --> 00:27:11.725
<00:27:09.205>'cause <00:27:09.379>they're <00:27:09.554>more <00:27:09.730>than <00:27:09.905>just <00:27:10.080>what <00:27:10.254>was <00:27:10.429>said <00:27:10.605>normally.

617
00:27:11.725 --> 00:27:13.525
<00:27:11.725>It <00:27:11.899>also <00:27:12.074>says <00:27:12.250>like, <00:27:12.425>who <00:27:12.600>says <00:27:12.774>it <00:27:12.949>from <00:27:13.125>which

618
00:27:13.525 --> 00:27:14.845
<00:27:13.525>direction <00:27:13.921>that <00:27:14.317>it's <00:27:14.713>coming?

619
00:27:15.345 --> 00:27:17.205
<00:27:15.345>It <00:27:15.625>says <00:27:15.905>things <00:27:16.185>about <00:27:16.465>background <00:27:16.745>noises.

620
00:27:17.205 --> 00:27:20.605
<00:27:17.205>It <00:27:17.345>says <00:27:17.485>things <00:27:17.625>about <00:27:17.764>the <00:27:17.905>song <00:27:18.044>that's <00:27:18.185>playing <00:27:18.324>right <00:27:18.465>now, <00:27:18.605>now.

621
00:27:20.605 --> 00:27:22.685
<00:27:20.605>And <00:27:20.805>that's <00:27:21.005>something <00:27:21.205>that <00:27:21.405>you <00:27:21.605>normally <00:27:21.805>can't <00:27:22.005>generate

622
00:27:22.685 --> 00:27:25.485
<00:27:22.685>automatically <00:27:22.840>from <00:27:22.996>just <00:27:23.151>from <00:27:23.307>the <00:27:23.462>audio <00:27:23.618>of <00:27:23.773>the <00:27:23.929>video <00:27:24.085>file.

623
00:27:26.705 --> 00:27:27.725
<00:27:26.705>That's <00:27:27.011>true. <00:27:27.317>That's <00:27:27.622>true.

624
00:27:27.725 --> 00:27:29.485
<00:27:27.725>Again, <00:27:27.958>you <00:27:28.191>can <00:27:28.425>get <00:27:28.658>really <00:27:28.891>close <00:27:29.125>it.

625
00:27:29.555 --> 00:27:31.005
<00:27:29.555>Nothing <00:27:29.990>has <00:27:30.425>ever <00:27:30.860>claimed

626
00:27:31.005 --> 00:27:33.365
<00:27:31.005>that <00:27:31.180>like <00:27:31.355>anything <00:27:31.530>would <00:27:31.705>be <00:27:31.880>a <00:27:32.055>hundred <00:27:32.230>percent <00:27:32.405>reliable,

627
00:27:33.665 --> 00:27:35.525
<00:27:33.665>but <00:27:33.945>it's, <00:27:34.225>it's <00:27:34.504>there, <00:27:34.784>it <00:27:35.065>exists.

628
00:27:35.705 --> 00:27:38.005
<00:27:35.705>It <00:27:35.879>only <00:27:36.054>gets <00:27:36.230>better. <00:27:36.405>So <00:27:36.580>I'm, <00:27:36.754>I'm <00:27:36.929>actually, <00:27:37.105>that,

629
00:27:38.005 --> 00:27:39.645
<00:27:38.005>that's <00:27:38.238>on <00:27:38.471>my, <00:27:38.705>on <00:27:38.938>my <00:27:39.171>positive <00:27:39.405>list.

630
00:27:40.105 --> 00:27:42.725
<00:27:40.105>Uh, <00:27:40.245>other <00:27:40.385>things <00:27:40.525>on <00:27:40.665>my <00:27:40.805>positive <00:27:40.945>list <00:27:41.085>when <00:27:41.225>it <00:27:41.365>comes, <00:27:41.505>uh,

631
00:27:42.725 --> 00:27:46.525
<00:27:42.725>to <00:27:42.899>AI <00:27:43.074>is, <00:27:43.250>uh, <00:27:43.425>things <00:27:43.600>that <00:27:43.774>actively <00:27:43.949>help, <00:27:44.125>uh,

632
00:27:47.065 --> 00:27:48.245
<00:27:47.065>in <00:27:47.330>the <00:27:47.596>physical <00:27:47.861>world, <00:27:48.127>right?

633
00:27:48.245 --> 00:27:51.405
<00:27:48.245>Like, <00:27:48.478>there's, <00:27:48.711>there's <00:27:48.945>applications <00:27:49.178>that <00:27:49.411>actively <00:27:49.645>help,

634
00:27:51.465 --> 00:27:54.285
<00:27:51.465>for <00:27:51.698>example, <00:27:51.931>blind <00:27:52.165>people <00:27:52.398>to, <00:27:52.631>uh, <00:27:52.865>see

635
00:27:54.545 --> 00:27:57.405
<00:27:54.545>and, <00:27:54.720>uh, <00:27:54.895>get <00:27:55.070>information <00:27:55.245>about <00:27:55.420>the <00:27:55.595>environment <00:27:55.770>around <00:27:55.945>them.

636
00:27:57.405 --> 00:28:02.125
<00:27:57.405>Like <00:27:57.560>read, <00:27:57.716>uh, <00:27:57.871>read, <00:27:58.027>uh, <00:27:58.182>signs, <00:27:58.338>like, <00:27:58.493>uh, <00:27:58.649>know <00:27:58.805>where

637
00:28:03.005 --> 00:28:05.445
<00:28:03.005>crossings <00:28:03.160>are, <00:28:03.316>know <00:28:03.471>where <00:28:03.627>things <00:28:03.782>are <00:28:03.938>that <00:28:04.093>you <00:28:04.249>left <00:28:04.405>them.

638
00:28:05.505 --> 00:28:07.845
<00:28:05.505>And <00:28:05.705>you <00:28:05.905>can <00:28:06.105>like <00:28:06.305>literally <00:28:06.505>like <00:28:06.705>ask <00:28:06.905>an

639
00:28:07.905 --> 00:28:09.125
<00:28:07.905>ai, <00:28:08.271>where's <00:28:08.637>my <00:28:09.003>glasses?

640
00:28:09.305 --> 00:28:10.565
<00:28:09.305>And <00:28:09.683>then <00:28:10.061>like, <00:28:10.439>okay,

641
00:28:10.565 --> 00:28:12.085
<00:28:10.565>maybe <00:28:10.689>when <00:28:10.813>you're <00:28:10.938>blind, <00:28:11.062>that's <00:28:11.186>not <00:28:11.311>the <00:28:11.435>first <00:28:11.559>thing <00:28:11.684>you <00:28:11.808>look <00:28:11.933>at.

642
00:28:12.085 --> 00:28:13.605
<00:28:12.085>Where's <00:28:12.313>my <00:28:12.541>beer? <00:28:12.769>And <00:28:12.997>you <00:28:13.225>go <00:28:13.453>around

643
00:28:13.665 --> 00:28:15.245
<00:28:13.665>and <00:28:13.865>it <00:28:14.065>will <00:28:14.264>tell <00:28:14.465>you <00:28:14.665>where <00:28:14.865>it <00:28:15.065>is.

644
00:28:15.785 --> 00:28:18.965
<00:28:15.785>Uh, <00:28:16.065>speaking <00:28:16.345>of <00:28:16.625>glasses, <00:28:16.905>um, <00:28:17.185>Chris,

645
00:28:19.025 --> 00:28:20.845
<00:28:19.025>you're <00:28:19.258>in <00:28:19.491>that <00:28:19.725>age <00:28:19.958>as <00:28:20.191>well <00:28:20.425>now.

646
00:28:20.965 --> 00:28:25.365
<00:28:20.965>I, <00:28:21.092>I <00:28:21.219>bet, <00:28:21.346>uh, <00:28:21.474>reading <00:28:21.601>glasses <00:28:21.728>are <00:28:21.855>a <00:28:21.983>thing, <00:28:22.110>like <00:28:22.237>being <00:28:22.365>able

647
00:28:25.425 --> 00:28:26.725
<00:28:25.425>to <00:28:25.717>just <00:28:26.010>go <00:28:26.302>ahead <00:28:26.594>and,

648
00:28:26.905 --> 00:28:30.925
<00:28:26.905>and, <00:28:27.045>uh, <00:28:27.185>zoom <00:28:27.325>in <00:28:27.465>on <00:28:27.605>stuff, <00:28:27.745>uh, <00:28:27.885>using <00:28:28.024>specific <00:28:28.165>apps <00:28:28.305>that

649
00:28:30.925 --> 00:28:32.565
<00:28:30.925>that <00:28:31.125>help <00:28:31.325>you, <00:28:31.524>like <00:28:31.725>read <00:28:31.925>a <00:28:32.125>small <00:28:32.325>print

650
00:28:32.565 --> 00:28:34.325
<00:28:32.565>or <00:28:32.845>just <00:28:33.125>read <00:28:33.405>it <00:28:33.685>for <00:28:33.965>you.

651
00:28:34.915 --> 00:28:38.045
<00:28:34.915>That <00:28:35.090>is, <00:28:35.264>that <00:28:35.440>is <00:28:35.615>all <00:28:35.790>extremely <00:28:35.965>physical, <00:28:36.139>extremely <00:28:36.315>helpful,

652
00:28:38.305 --> 00:28:40.085
<00:28:38.305>and, <00:28:38.505>and <00:28:38.705>it <00:28:38.905>just <00:28:39.105>works <00:28:39.305>at <00:28:39.505>this <00:28:39.705>point.

653
00:28:40.745 --> 00:28:42.045
<00:28:40.745>And <00:28:40.939>I <00:28:41.135>love <00:28:41.330>that <00:28:41.525>a <00:28:41.720>lot <00:28:41.915>of

654
00:28:42.045 --> 00:28:44.125
<00:28:42.045>that <00:28:42.325>stuff <00:28:42.605>came <00:28:42.885>from <00:28:43.165>accessibility <00:28:43.445>need.

655
00:28:44.445 --> 00:28:47.725
<00:28:44.445>I <00:28:44.645>remember <00:28:44.845>like <00:28:45.044>accessibility <00:28:45.245>conferences <00:28:45.445>in <00:28:45.645>Paris <00:28:45.845>2002,

656
00:28:47.935 --> 00:28:50.925
<00:28:47.935>where <00:28:48.090>they <00:28:48.246>showed <00:28:48.401>like, <00:28:48.557>uh, <00:28:48.712>a <00:28:48.868>mapping <00:28:49.023>a <00:28:49.179>park <00:28:49.335>for,

657
00:28:51.185 --> 00:28:54.045
<00:28:51.185>for <00:28:51.360>somebody <00:28:51.534>who <00:28:51.710>can't <00:28:51.885>see <00:28:52.060>it, <00:28:52.235>basically <00:28:52.409>explained <00:28:52.585>where

658
00:28:54.045 --> 00:28:55.525
<00:28:54.045>to <00:28:54.235>turn <00:28:54.425>left <00:28:54.615>and <00:28:54.806>where <00:28:54.996>to <00:28:55.186>turn, <00:28:55.377>right?

659
00:28:55.735 --> 00:28:57.365
<00:28:55.735>Which <00:28:55.909>is <00:28:56.084>now <00:28:56.260>we <00:28:56.435>have <00:28:56.610>that <00:28:56.784>in <00:28:56.959>every <00:28:57.135>car.

660
00:28:57.365 --> 00:28:58.685
<00:28:57.365>We <00:28:57.563>have <00:28:57.761>that <00:28:57.959>on <00:28:58.157>our <00:28:58.355>mobile <00:28:58.553>phones.

661
00:28:58.835 --> 00:29:00.365
<00:28:58.835>It's <00:28:59.110>a, <00:28:59.385>it's <00:28:59.661>a <00:28:59.936>common <00:29:00.212>thing,

662
00:29:00.365 --> 00:29:03.485
<00:29:00.365>but <00:29:00.481>back <00:29:00.598>then <00:29:00.715>it <00:29:00.831>was <00:29:00.948>just <00:29:01.065>a <00:29:01.181>fe <00:29:01.298>uh, <00:29:01.415>a <00:29:01.531>a <00:29:01.648>physical <00:29:01.765>device

663
00:29:03.485 --> 00:29:05.845
<00:29:03.485>that <00:29:03.685>you <00:29:03.885>had <00:29:04.084>to <00:29:04.284>buy <00:29:04.485>and <00:29:04.685>basically <00:29:04.885>use.

664
00:29:05.865 --> 00:29:07.605
<00:29:05.865>And <00:29:06.065>now <00:29:06.265>it's <00:29:06.465>basically <00:29:06.665>in <00:29:06.865>every <00:29:07.065>mobile <00:29:07.265>phone.

665
00:29:07.625 --> 00:29:10.285
<00:29:07.625>And <00:29:07.765>we <00:29:07.905>just, <00:29:08.045>I <00:29:08.185>don't <00:29:08.325>think <00:29:08.465>we <00:29:08.605>give <00:29:08.745>it <00:29:08.885>enough <00:29:09.025>credit

666
00:29:10.355 --> 00:29:12.925
<00:29:10.355>that <00:29:10.510>this <00:29:10.666>magic <00:29:10.821>is <00:29:10.977>happening <00:29:11.132>around <00:29:11.288>us <00:29:11.443>all <00:29:11.599>the <00:29:11.755>time.

667
00:29:13.065 --> 00:29:14.605
<00:29:13.065>We <00:29:13.238>just <00:29:13.411>see <00:29:13.584>it <00:29:13.758>as <00:29:13.931>something <00:29:14.104>that's <00:29:14.277>a <00:29:14.451>given,

668
00:29:16.345 --> 00:29:18.245
<00:29:16.345>and <00:29:16.500>we <00:29:16.656>only <00:29:16.811>complain <00:29:16.967>about <00:29:17.122>it <00:29:17.278>when <00:29:17.433>it <00:29:17.589>doesn't <00:29:17.745>work.

669
00:29:18.945 --> 00:29:21.685
<00:29:18.945>So, <00:29:19.120>um, <00:29:19.294>the <00:29:19.470>other <00:29:19.645>thing <00:29:19.820>that <00:29:19.995>Carl <00:29:20.169>wrote <00:29:20.345>about

670
00:29:21.685 --> 00:29:23.565
<00:29:21.685>that <00:29:21.885>I <00:29:22.085>found <00:29:22.284>interesting <00:29:22.485>was <00:29:22.685>that <00:29:22.885>the, <00:29:23.085>uh,

671
00:29:23.585 --> 00:29:25.205
<00:29:23.585>web <00:29:24.285>accessibility <00:29:24.985>remediation,

672
00:29:25.265 --> 00:29:27.845
<00:29:25.265>and <00:29:25.440>this <00:29:25.615>is <00:29:25.790>something <00:29:25.965>that <00:29:26.140>I <00:29:26.315>got, <00:29:26.490>uh, <00:29:26.665>uh,

673
00:29:28.105 --> 00:29:30.085
<00:29:28.105>really <00:29:28.338>worried <00:29:28.571>about <00:29:28.805>when <00:29:29.038>people <00:29:29.271>get <00:29:29.505>like,

674
00:29:30.085 --> 00:29:31.765
<00:29:30.085>super <00:29:30.365>excited <00:29:30.645>about <00:29:30.925>vibe <00:29:31.205>coding <00:29:31.485>and,

675
00:29:32.025 --> 00:29:33.645
<00:29:32.025>and <00:29:32.375>code <00:29:32.725>generation <00:29:33.075>for <00:29:33.425>it.

676
00:29:33.985 --> 00:29:35.605
<00:29:33.985>And <00:29:34.185>I'm <00:29:34.385>like, <00:29:34.584>so <00:29:34.784>how <00:29:34.985>is <00:29:35.185>the <00:29:35.385>accessibility

677
00:29:35.605 --> 00:29:37.605
<00:29:35.605>and <00:29:35.780>the <00:29:35.955>maintainability <00:29:36.130>of <00:29:36.305>the <00:29:36.480>thing <00:29:36.655>that <00:29:36.830>you <00:29:37.005>generated?

678
00:29:37.605 --> 00:29:39.885
<00:29:37.605>And <00:29:37.780>I'm <00:29:37.955>like, <00:29:38.130>oh, <00:29:38.305>I <00:29:38.480>just <00:29:38.655>tell <00:29:38.830>chat <00:29:39.005>GPT

679
00:29:39.885 --> 00:29:41.445
<00:29:39.885>to <00:29:40.235>make <00:29:40.585>it <00:29:40.935>AAA <00:29:41.285>compliant,

680
00:29:41.465 --> 00:29:44.565
<00:29:41.465>and <00:29:41.605>then <00:29:41.745>it <00:29:41.885>will <00:29:42.024>actually <00:29:42.165>generate <00:29:42.304>an <00:29:42.445>accessible <00:29:42.584>app <00:29:42.725>for <00:29:42.865>me.

681
00:29:44.865 --> 00:29:46.325
<00:29:44.865>That's <00:29:45.127>exactly <00:29:45.390>how <00:29:45.653>it <00:29:45.916>works, <00:29:46.179>right?

682
00:29:46.835 --> 00:29:48.245
<00:29:46.835>Yeah. <00:29:47.088>That's <00:29:47.342>exactly <00:29:47.596>how <00:29:47.850>it <00:29:48.103>works.

683
00:29:49.075 --> 00:29:51.445
<00:29:49.075>Yeah. <00:29:49.425>Nothing <00:29:49.775>to <00:29:50.125>add. <00:29:50.475>No.

684
00:29:51.445 --> 00:29:52.925
<00:29:51.445>Like <00:29:51.667>this, <00:29:51.889>what <00:29:52.110>I <00:29:52.332>mentioned <00:29:52.554>earlier, <00:29:52.777>right?

685
00:29:52.925 --> 00:29:56.085
<00:29:52.925>Like, <00:29:53.065>uh, <00:29:53.205>if <00:29:53.345>we, <00:29:53.485>if <00:29:53.625>we <00:29:53.764>can <00:29:53.905>train <00:29:54.044>those, <00:29:54.185>those <00:29:54.325>LMS

686
00:29:56.505 --> 00:29:58.805
<00:29:56.505>to <00:29:56.645>do <00:29:56.785>in <00:29:56.925>fact <00:29:57.065>the <00:29:57.205>right <00:29:57.345>thing <00:29:57.485>at <00:29:57.625>the <00:29:57.765>right <00:29:57.905>time

687
00:29:58.905 --> 00:30:01.085
<00:29:58.905>and <00:29:59.185>have <00:29:59.465>a <00:29:59.745>deeper <00:30:00.024>understanding <00:30:00.305>on

688
00:30:01.435 --> 00:30:03.285
<00:30:01.435>what <00:30:01.784>makes <00:30:02.135>a <00:30:02.485>UI <00:30:02.835>accessible

689
00:30:03.285 --> 00:30:06.205
<00:30:03.285>or <00:30:03.412>not, <00:30:03.539>we <00:30:03.666>can, <00:30:03.794>we <00:30:03.921>can <00:30:04.048>in <00:30:04.175>fact <00:30:04.303>make <00:30:04.430>a <00:30:04.557>massive, <00:30:04.685>uh,

690
00:30:06.205 --> 00:30:09.085
<00:30:06.205>impact <00:30:06.405>Right <00:30:06.605>now, <00:30:06.804>the <00:30:07.004>amount <00:30:07.205>of, <00:30:07.405>uh, <00:30:07.605>code

691
00:30:09.085 --> 00:30:11.885
<00:30:09.085>that <00:30:09.318>is <00:30:09.551>being <00:30:09.785>written <00:30:10.018>and <00:30:10.251>the <00:30:10.485>amount

692
00:30:11.885 --> 00:30:15.445
<00:30:11.885>that <00:30:12.118>comes <00:30:12.351>out <00:30:12.585>being <00:30:12.818>accessible <00:30:13.051>is <00:30:13.285>fuzzy,

693
00:30:15.905 --> 00:30:17.285
<00:30:15.905>but <00:30:16.153>it's <00:30:16.401>an <00:30:16.650>opportunity <00:30:16.898>right <00:30:17.147>there.

694
00:30:18.115 --> 00:30:19.245
<00:30:18.115>Yeah. <00:30:18.454>But <00:30:18.793>then <00:30:19.131>again,

695
00:30:19.245 --> 00:30:21.525
<00:30:19.245>we <00:30:19.352>had <00:30:19.460>the <00:30:19.568>same <00:30:19.675>when <00:30:19.783>we <00:30:19.891>said <00:30:19.998>we <00:30:20.106>are <00:30:20.214>gonna <00:30:20.321>fix <00:30:20.429>it <00:30:20.537>on <00:30:20.645>the

696
00:30:21.525 --> 00:30:23.925
<00:30:21.525>level <00:30:21.758>of <00:30:21.991>WordPress <00:30:22.225>and <00:30:22.458>content <00:30:22.691>management <00:30:22.925>systems,

697
00:30:24.105 --> 00:30:26.245
<00:30:24.105>and <00:30:24.245>we <00:30:24.385>are <00:30:24.525>gonna <00:30:24.665>fix <00:30:24.805>it <00:30:24.945>on <00:30:25.085>the <00:30:25.225>level <00:30:25.365>of <00:30:25.505>bootstrap.

698
00:30:26.545 --> 00:30:28.285
<00:30:26.545>If <00:30:26.895>Bootstrap's <00:30:27.245>gonna <00:30:27.595>be <00:30:27.945>accessible,

699
00:30:28.345 --> 00:30:29.645
<00:30:28.345>all <00:30:28.637>the <00:30:28.930>components <00:30:29.222>are <00:30:29.514>accessible,

700
00:30:29.645 --> 00:30:32.045
<00:30:29.645>you <00:30:29.820>can <00:30:29.995>only <00:30:30.170>build <00:30:30.345>accessible <00:30:30.520>interfaces <00:30:30.695>with <00:30:30.870>it, <00:30:31.045>right?

701
00:30:32.425 --> 00:30:36.125
<00:30:32.425>But <00:30:32.580>it's <00:30:32.736>not <00:30:32.891>necessarily <00:30:33.047>that <00:30:33.202>all <00:30:33.358>that, <00:30:33.513>that <00:30:33.669>putting <00:30:33.825>lots

702
00:30:36.325 --> 00:30:39.165
<00:30:36.325>of <00:30:36.675>accessibility <00:30:37.025>accessible, <00:30:37.375>putting <00:30:37.725>lots

703
00:30:39.165 --> 00:30:41.205
<00:30:39.165>of <00:30:39.445>accessible <00:30:39.725>components <00:30:40.004>together <00:30:40.284>makes <00:30:40.565>one

704
00:30:41.205 --> 00:30:42.405
<00:30:41.205>accessible <00:30:41.745>app, <00:30:42.284>right?

705
00:30:43.665 --> 00:30:45.405
<00:30:43.665>No, <00:30:43.840>but <00:30:44.014>it's <00:30:44.190>at <00:30:44.365>the <00:30:44.540>base <00:30:44.715>of <00:30:44.889>it, <00:30:45.065>right?

706
00:30:45.405 --> 00:30:48.205
<00:30:45.405>Like <00:30:45.580>if <00:30:45.754>you, <00:30:45.930>if <00:30:46.105>you <00:30:46.280>don't <00:30:46.455>have <00:30:46.629>accessible <00:30:46.805>components,

707
00:30:48.305 --> 00:30:49.845
<00:30:48.305>you <00:30:48.459>can <00:30:48.613>do <00:30:48.767>all <00:30:48.921>the <00:30:49.075>best <00:30:49.229>work <00:30:49.383>you <00:30:49.537>want <00:30:49.691>to,

708
00:30:49.865 --> 00:30:51.285
<00:30:49.865>and <00:30:50.184>it'll <00:30:50.504>still <00:30:50.823>be <00:30:51.143>terrible.

709
00:30:51.385 --> 00:30:53.365
<00:30:51.385>But <00:30:51.665>if <00:30:51.945>you <00:30:52.225>have <00:30:52.504>accessible <00:30:52.785>components

710
00:30:53.465 --> 00:30:54.805
<00:30:53.465>and <00:30:53.766>if <00:30:54.068>an <00:30:54.369>accessible <00:30:54.671>framework,

711
00:30:55.505 --> 00:30:57.085
<00:30:55.505>and <00:30:55.785>then <00:30:56.065>you <00:30:56.345>are <00:30:56.625>not <00:30:56.905>completely

712
00:30:57.155 --> 00:30:58.445
<00:30:57.155>Mess <00:30:57.542>it <00:30:57.928>up, <00:30:58.316>Hmm,

713
00:30:58.545 --> 00:31:01.845
<00:30:58.545>You <00:30:58.720>are <00:30:58.895>at <00:30:59.070>a <00:30:59.245>higher <00:30:59.420>percentage <00:30:59.595>of <00:30:59.770>having <00:30:59.945>something

714
00:31:01.845 --> 00:31:04.485
<00:31:01.845>that <00:31:01.972>is <00:31:02.099>in <00:31:02.226>fact <00:31:02.354>accessible, <00:31:02.481>but <00:31:02.608>you <00:31:02.735>can <00:31:02.863>still <00:31:02.990>ruin <00:31:03.117>if <00:31:03.245>you

715
00:31:04.485 --> 00:31:09.005
<00:31:04.485>really <00:31:04.625>want <00:31:04.764>to, <00:31:04.905>but <00:31:05.044>there <00:31:05.185>is <00:31:05.324>a <00:31:05.465>much, <00:31:05.604>much <00:31:05.745>higher <00:31:05.885>chance

716
00:31:09.235 --> 00:31:10.325
<00:31:09.235>that <00:31:09.431>it's <00:31:09.627>not <00:31:09.823>gonna <00:31:10.019>be <00:31:10.216>bad.

717
00:31:11.115 --> 00:31:13.245
<00:31:11.115>Well, <00:31:11.290>I <00:31:11.465>guess <00:31:11.640>it's <00:31:11.815>also, <00:31:11.990>uh, <00:31:12.165>it's <00:31:12.340>also, <00:31:12.515>uh,

718
00:31:13.285 --> 00:31:14.445
<00:31:13.285>tempting, <00:31:13.807>isn't <00:31:14.329>it?

719
00:31:14.445 --> 00:31:17.005
<00:31:14.445>Like, <00:31:14.600>Dan, <00:31:14.756>you're <00:31:14.911>not <00:31:15.067>a <00:31:15.222>person <00:31:15.378>that <00:31:15.533>came <00:31:15.689>from <00:31:15.845>accessibility

720
00:31:17.145 --> 00:31:18.965
<00:31:17.145>to <00:31:17.378>development <00:31:17.611>or <00:31:17.845>these <00:31:18.078>kind <00:31:18.311>of <00:31:18.545>things.

721
00:31:19.025 --> 00:31:22.645
<00:31:19.025>So <00:31:19.180>when <00:31:19.336>somebody <00:31:19.491>says <00:31:19.647>something <00:31:19.802>like <00:31:19.958>this, <00:31:20.113>it <00:31:20.269>feels <00:31:20.425>like,

722
00:31:22.835 --> 00:31:24.405
<00:31:22.835>sure, <00:31:23.115>yeah, <00:31:23.395>that's <00:31:23.675>great, <00:31:23.955>isn't <00:31:24.235>it?

723
00:31:24.435 --> 00:31:26.005
<00:31:24.435>Like, <00:31:24.635>let <00:31:24.835>me <00:31:25.034>do <00:31:25.235>it <00:31:25.435>that <00:31:25.635>way. <00:31:25.835>Mm-hmm.

724
00:31:26.755 --> 00:31:28.485
<00:31:26.755>Yeah, <00:31:26.930>I <00:31:27.105>mean, <00:31:27.280>I <00:31:27.455>think <00:31:27.630>in <00:31:27.805>my <00:31:27.980>head, <00:31:28.155>and,

725
00:31:28.505 --> 00:31:29.805
<00:31:28.505>and <00:31:28.700>again, <00:31:28.895>you, <00:31:29.090>you <00:31:29.285>guys <00:31:29.480>will <00:31:29.675>probably

726
00:31:29.805 --> 00:31:30.885
<00:31:29.805>say, <00:31:30.129>Nope, <00:31:30.453>absolutely <00:31:30.777>not.

727
00:31:30.885 --> 00:31:33.085
<00:31:30.885>That's <00:31:31.060>not <00:31:31.235>how <00:31:31.410>it <00:31:31.585>works, <00:31:31.760>is <00:31:31.935>that <00:31:32.110>I <00:31:32.285>know

728
00:31:33.085 --> 00:31:34.925
<00:31:33.085>that <00:31:33.260>accessibility <00:31:33.435>is <00:31:33.610>like <00:31:33.785>a <00:31:33.960>never <00:31:34.135>ending <00:31:34.310>list, <00:31:34.485>right?

729
00:31:34.925 --> 00:31:36.805
<00:31:34.925>And <00:31:35.080>that <00:31:35.236>you <00:31:35.391>could <00:31:35.547>just <00:31:35.702>keep <00:31:35.858>drilling <00:31:36.013>down <00:31:36.169>into <00:31:36.325>things

730
00:31:36.805 --> 00:31:37.845
<00:31:36.805>that <00:31:37.039>could <00:31:37.273>be <00:31:37.507>more <00:31:37.741>accessible.

731
00:31:38.025 --> 00:31:41.445
<00:31:38.025>But <00:31:38.152>it <00:31:38.279>feels <00:31:38.406>like <00:31:38.534>there, <00:31:38.661>there <00:31:38.788>must <00:31:38.915>be <00:31:39.043>this, <00:31:39.170>um, <00:31:39.297>some <00:31:39.425>things

732
00:31:41.445 --> 00:31:43.125
<00:31:41.445>that <00:31:41.645>you <00:31:41.845>would <00:31:42.044>say <00:31:42.245>this <00:31:42.445>is <00:31:42.645>nearly <00:31:42.845>always

733
00:31:43.125 --> 00:31:44.445
<00:31:43.125>good, <00:31:43.422>regardless <00:31:43.719>of <00:31:44.015>the <00:31:44.312>context.

734
00:31:44.755 --> 00:31:48.925
<00:31:44.755>Like <00:31:44.882>things <00:31:45.009>that <00:31:45.136>you <00:31:45.264>just <00:31:45.391>say <00:31:45.518>this, <00:31:45.645>this <00:31:45.773>cannot <00:31:45.900>make <00:31:46.027>it, <00:31:46.155>um,

735
00:31:49.075 --> 00:31:50.085
<00:31:49.075>less <00:31:49.984>accessible.

736
00:31:50.105 --> 00:31:52.325
<00:31:50.105>So <00:31:50.221>it's <00:31:50.338>a <00:31:50.455>good, <00:31:50.571>it's <00:31:50.688>a <00:31:50.805>good <00:31:50.921>thing <00:31:51.038>to <00:31:51.155>do <00:31:51.271>as <00:31:51.388>a <00:31:51.505>standard.

737
00:31:52.355 --> 00:31:55.285
<00:31:52.355>Like <00:31:52.495>I <00:31:52.635>feel <00:31:52.775>like <00:31:52.915>there <00:31:53.055>must <00:31:53.195>be <00:31:53.335>some <00:31:53.475>absolute <00:31:53.615>core <00:31:53.755>basics,

738
00:31:55.285 --> 00:31:57.485
<00:31:55.285>and <00:31:55.440>that <00:31:55.596>if <00:31:55.751>the <00:31:55.907>AI <00:31:56.062>can <00:31:56.218>at <00:31:56.373>least <00:31:56.529>nail <00:31:56.685>those,

739
00:31:57.485 --> 00:31:59.565
<00:31:57.485>because <00:31:57.685>I <00:31:57.885>think <00:31:58.084>that <00:31:58.284>I'm <00:31:58.485>guilty <00:31:58.685>of <00:31:58.885>it.

740
00:31:59.795 --> 00:32:01.085
<00:31:59.795>There's, <00:32:00.182>there's <00:32:00.569>some <00:32:00.956>really

741
00:32:01.185 --> 00:32:02.405
<00:32:01.185>bad <00:32:01.341>things <00:32:01.498>that <00:32:01.655>we <00:32:01.812>all <00:32:01.969>go <00:32:02.126>and <00:32:02.283>do.

742
00:32:02.405 --> 00:32:03.965
<00:32:02.405>Emma <00:32:02.685>Dawson <00:32:02.965>mentioned <00:32:03.245>it <00:32:03.524>last <00:32:03.805>week,

743
00:32:04.265 --> 00:32:05.445
<00:32:04.265>not <00:32:04.619>using <00:32:04.973>native <00:32:05.327>elements

744
00:32:05.445 --> 00:32:06.725
<00:32:05.445>because <00:32:05.637>we <00:32:05.829>want <00:32:06.021>to <00:32:06.213>style <00:32:06.405>it <00:32:06.597>differently.

745
00:32:06.785 --> 00:32:09.405
<00:32:06.785>So <00:32:06.901>we <00:32:07.018>go <00:32:07.135>and <00:32:07.251>kind <00:32:07.368>of <00:32:07.485>create <00:32:07.601>our <00:32:07.718>own <00:32:07.835>using <00:32:07.951>loads <00:32:08.068>of <00:32:08.185>divs

746
00:32:09.485 --> 00:32:10.885
<00:32:09.485>and <00:32:09.642>we <00:32:09.800>just <00:32:09.957>throw <00:32:10.115>a <00:32:10.272>select <00:32:10.430>in <00:32:10.587>the <00:32:10.745>bin,

747
00:32:10.885 --> 00:32:12.205
<00:32:10.885>and <00:32:11.122>we <00:32:11.360>think <00:32:11.597>that <00:32:11.835>won't <00:32:12.072>matter.

748
00:32:12.505 --> 00:32:14.125
<00:32:12.505>And <00:32:12.680>I <00:32:12.855>feel <00:32:13.030>like <00:32:13.205>that's <00:32:13.380>one <00:32:13.555>of <00:32:13.730>those <00:32:13.905>basics.

749
00:32:15.315 --> 00:32:17.165
<00:32:15.315>Yeah, <00:32:15.470>yeah, <00:32:15.626>yeah. <00:32:15.781>You <00:32:15.937>know, <00:32:16.092>and <00:32:16.248>I <00:32:16.403>wanna <00:32:16.559>change <00:32:16.715>my,

750
00:32:17.225 --> 00:32:19.445
<00:32:17.225>my <00:32:17.365>scroll <00:32:17.504>bar, <00:32:17.645>like <00:32:17.784>back <00:32:17.925>in <00:32:18.064>the <00:32:18.205>early <00:32:18.344>two <00:32:18.485>thousands, <00:32:18.625>like,

751
00:32:19.555 --> 00:32:21.125
<00:32:19.555>it's <00:32:19.730>all <00:32:19.905>of <00:32:20.080>these <00:32:20.255>things <00:32:20.430>that <00:32:20.605>you <00:32:20.780>think, <00:32:20.955>well,

752
00:32:21.305 --> 00:32:22.765
<00:32:21.305>if <00:32:21.524>there <00:32:21.743>was <00:32:21.962>somebody <00:32:22.181>that <00:32:22.400>said, <00:32:22.619>okay,

753
00:32:22.765 --> 00:32:23.885
<00:32:22.765>that's <00:32:23.101>an <00:32:23.437>absolute <00:32:23.773>must,

754
00:32:24.105 --> 00:32:27.485
<00:32:24.105>and <00:32:24.205>as <00:32:24.305>long <00:32:24.405>as <00:32:24.505>you <00:32:24.605>do <00:32:24.705>that, <00:32:24.805>if <00:32:24.905>that <00:32:25.005>can <00:32:25.105>be <00:32:25.205>in <00:32:25.305>the, <00:32:25.405>the <00:32:25.505>ai,

755
00:32:27.605 --> 00:32:29.125
<00:32:27.605>I <00:32:27.800>feel <00:32:27.995>like <00:32:28.191>that <00:32:28.386>can <00:32:28.582>be <00:32:28.777>something <00:32:28.973>that,

756
00:32:29.275 --> 00:32:31.325
<00:32:29.275>it's <00:32:29.475>almost <00:32:29.675>like <00:32:29.875>a <00:32:30.075>beginner's <00:32:30.275>course <00:32:30.475>for <00:32:30.675>accessibility,

757
00:32:31.425 --> 00:32:32.765
<00:32:31.425>and <00:32:31.626>we've <00:32:31.827>at <00:32:32.028>least <00:32:32.229>got <00:32:32.430>that <00:32:32.631>good

758
00:32:33.005 --> 00:32:34.045
<00:32:33.005>starting <00:32:33.239>point <00:32:33.473>to <00:32:33.707>build <00:32:33.941>from.

759
00:32:34.465 --> 00:32:36.765
<00:32:34.465>Um, <00:32:34.620>but <00:32:34.776>again, <00:32:34.931>I <00:32:35.087>might <00:32:35.242>be <00:32:35.398>completely <00:32:35.553>naive <00:32:35.709>to <00:32:35.865>that.

760
00:32:36.765 --> 00:32:38.645
<00:32:36.765>And <00:32:36.892>so, <00:32:37.019>I <00:32:37.146>mean, <00:32:37.274>you're <00:32:37.401>both <00:32:37.528>nodding <00:32:37.655>your <00:32:37.783>head, <00:32:37.910>which <00:32:38.037>is <00:32:38.165>good

761
00:32:38.645 --> 00:32:40.685
<00:32:38.645>because <00:32:38.925>you <00:32:39.205>know, <00:32:39.485>you're <00:32:39.764>always <00:32:40.045>conscious

762
00:32:40.685 --> 00:32:41.845
<00:32:40.685>that <00:32:40.946>you're <00:32:41.206>gonna <00:32:41.468>do <00:32:41.729>that,

763
00:32:41.905 --> 00:32:43.885
<00:32:41.905>but <00:32:42.105>then <00:32:42.305>people <00:32:42.504>from <00:32:42.705>accessibility <00:32:42.905>background <00:32:43.105>are <00:32:43.305>gonna

764
00:32:43.885 --> 00:32:45.165
<00:32:43.885>say, <00:32:44.115>that's <00:32:44.345>not <00:32:44.576>how <00:32:44.806>it <00:32:45.037>works.

765
00:32:46.605 --> 00:32:47.545
<00:32:46.605>You <00:32:46.746>know, <00:32:46.887>and <00:32:47.028>that <00:32:47.169>it <00:32:47.310>can <00:32:47.451>never,

766
00:32:47.565 --> 00:32:48.545
<00:32:47.565>it <00:32:47.712>can <00:32:47.859>never <00:32:48.006>get <00:32:48.153>to <00:32:48.300>that <00:32:48.447>point.

767
00:32:48.645 --> 00:32:50.545
<00:32:48.645>But <00:32:48.878>yeah, <00:32:49.111>that's <00:32:49.345>my <00:32:49.578>view <00:32:49.811>on <00:32:50.045>it.

768
00:32:51.135 --> 00:32:54.345
<00:32:51.135>Yeah, <00:32:51.275>no, <00:32:51.415>there, <00:32:51.555>there's <00:32:51.695>a <00:32:51.835>couple <00:32:51.975>of <00:32:52.115>things <00:32:52.254>that <00:32:52.395>could <00:32:52.535>be

769
00:32:55.125 --> 00:32:56.745
<00:32:55.125>really <00:32:56.525>easy.

770
00:32:57.645 --> 00:33:01.625
<00:32:57.645>Uh, <00:32:57.820>and <00:32:57.995>again, <00:32:58.170>thinking <00:32:58.345>of, <00:32:58.520>of <00:32:58.695>how <00:32:58.870>A-A-L-L-M <00:32:59.045>is,

771
00:33:01.645 --> 00:33:02.745
<00:33:01.645>is <00:33:01.975>generating <00:33:02.304>code, <00:33:02.635>right?

772
00:33:02.745 --> 00:33:04.945
<00:33:02.745>Like <00:33:02.978>they're, <00:33:03.211>they're <00:33:03.445>obviously <00:33:03.678>doing <00:33:03.911>a <00:33:04.145>mix

773
00:33:05.005 --> 00:33:06.545
<00:33:05.005>of <00:33:05.351>these <00:33:05.698>are <00:33:06.044>established <00:33:06.391>pattern

774
00:33:06.565 --> 00:33:07.905
<00:33:06.565>and <00:33:06.766>which <00:33:06.967>is <00:33:07.168>copying <00:33:07.369>what <00:33:07.570>we <00:33:07.771>find,

775
00:33:08.405 --> 00:33:11.745
<00:33:08.405>or <00:33:08.580>we're <00:33:08.754>generating <00:33:08.930>h <00:33:09.105>tm <00:33:09.280>l <00:33:09.455>line <00:33:09.629>by <00:33:09.805>line,

776
00:33:12.135 --> 00:33:13.505
<00:33:12.135>like <00:33:12.311>in <00:33:12.487>an <00:33:12.663>auto <00:33:12.839>complete <00:33:13.015>kind <00:33:13.191>of <00:33:13.368>way.

777
00:33:13.885 --> 00:33:17.065
<00:33:13.885>And <00:33:14.118>in <00:33:14.351>in <00:33:14.585>that <00:33:14.818>context <00:33:15.051>where <00:33:15.285>you

778
00:33:17.065 --> 00:33:20.305
<00:33:17.065>as <00:33:17.265>an <00:33:17.465>LLM <00:33:17.665>only <00:33:17.865>know <00:33:18.065>the <00:33:18.265>current <00:33:18.465>line

779
00:33:20.325 --> 00:33:22.065
<00:33:20.325>or <00:33:20.605>the <00:33:20.885>current <00:33:21.165>paragraph <00:33:21.445>you're <00:33:21.725>generating,

780
00:33:22.415 --> 00:33:23.945
<00:33:22.415>there's <00:33:22.759>a <00:33:23.103>handful <00:33:23.447>of <00:33:23.792>rules

781
00:33:24.015 --> 00:33:26.065
<00:33:24.015>that <00:33:24.215>every <00:33:24.415>developer <00:33:24.615>should <00:33:24.815>at <00:33:25.015>this <00:33:25.215>point <00:33:25.415>know.

782
00:33:26.095 --> 00:33:28.145
<00:33:26.095>Like, <00:33:26.375>yes, <00:33:26.655>you're <00:33:26.935>creating <00:33:27.215>a <00:33:27.495>button,

783
00:33:28.535 --> 00:33:29.945
<00:33:28.535>that <00:33:28.746>button <00:33:28.958>needs <00:33:29.169>to <00:33:29.381>have <00:33:29.592>a <00:33:29.803>text.

784
00:33:30.135 --> 00:33:33.505
<00:33:30.135>There's <00:33:30.275>a <00:33:30.415>link. <00:33:30.555>You <00:33:30.695>can't <00:33:30.835>have <00:33:30.975>that <00:33:31.115>empty, <00:33:31.254>there's <00:33:31.395>an <00:33:31.535>image.

785
00:33:33.525 --> 00:33:35.305
<00:33:33.525>You <00:33:33.700>have <00:33:33.875>to <00:33:34.050>have <00:33:34.225>an <00:33:34.400>all <00:33:34.575>text <00:33:34.750>describe <00:33:34.925>it.

786
00:33:35.715 --> 00:33:38.465
<00:33:35.715>These <00:33:35.948>things <00:33:36.181>happen <00:33:36.415>in <00:33:36.648>that <00:33:36.881>one <00:33:37.115>context,

787
00:33:38.765 --> 00:33:42.145
<00:33:38.765>and <00:33:38.892>they <00:33:39.019>can <00:33:39.146>a <00:33:39.274>hundred <00:33:39.401>percent <00:33:39.528>be <00:33:39.655>done <00:33:39.783>if <00:33:39.910>you're <00:33:40.037>then <00:33:40.165>like

788
00:33:42.385 --> 00:33:46.705
<00:33:42.385>creating <00:33:42.618>a <00:33:42.851>CSS <00:33:43.085>design <00:33:43.318>that <00:33:43.551>if <00:33:43.785>soon

789
00:33:46.765 --> 00:33:51.305
<00:33:46.765>by <00:33:46.905>20% <00:33:47.045>is <00:33:47.185>cutting <00:33:47.325>off <00:33:47.465>some <00:33:47.605>text <00:33:47.745>somewhere, <00:33:47.885>that's <00:33:48.025>a <00:33:48.165>bummer.

790
00:33:51.805 --> 00:33:54.865
<00:33:51.805>But <00:33:52.005>that <00:33:52.205>is <00:33:52.405>like <00:33:52.605>at <00:33:52.805>the <00:33:53.005>top <00:33:53.205>1%

791
00:33:54.865 --> 00:33:56.265
<00:33:54.865>of <00:33:55.075>things <00:33:55.285>that <00:33:55.495>can <00:33:55.705>go <00:33:55.915>wrong, <00:33:56.125>right?

792
00:33:56.265 --> 00:33:57.905
<00:33:56.265>Like, <00:33:56.465>if <00:33:56.665>we <00:33:56.865>can <00:33:57.065>get <00:33:57.265>the <00:33:57.465>basis <00:33:57.665>good,

793
00:33:57.965 --> 00:34:02.665
<00:33:57.965>and <00:33:58.092>it, <00:33:58.219>I <00:33:58.346>know <00:33:58.474>we <00:33:58.601>can <00:33:58.728>get <00:33:58.855>that <00:33:58.983>done, <00:33:59.110>we're <00:33:59.237>winning <00:33:59.365>already.

794
00:34:04.125 --> 00:34:06.825
<00:34:04.125>One <00:34:04.252>thing <00:34:04.379>that <00:34:04.506>worries <00:34:04.634>me <00:34:04.761>is <00:34:04.888>that <00:34:05.015>for <00:34:05.143>years <00:34:05.270>we <00:34:05.397>told <00:34:05.525>people

795
00:34:06.845 --> 00:34:08.825
<00:34:06.845>to <00:34:07.078>stop <00:34:07.311>from <00:34:07.545>thinking <00:34:07.778>about <00:34:08.011>a <00:34:08.245>design

796
00:34:08.845 --> 00:34:10.145
<00:34:08.844>and <00:34:09.137>turning <00:34:09.429>it <00:34:09.722>into <00:34:10.014>code

797
00:34:10.605 --> 00:34:13.465
<00:34:10.605>and <00:34:10.760>turning <00:34:10.916>it <00:34:11.071>into <00:34:11.227>a <00:34:11.382>product <00:34:11.538>that <00:34:11.693>basically <00:34:11.849>is <00:34:12.005>like,

798
00:34:13.465 --> 00:34:15.225
<00:34:13.465>here's, <00:34:13.815>here's <00:34:14.165>your <00:34:14.515>Photoshop <00:34:14.865>design.

799
00:34:15.485 --> 00:34:18.825
<00:34:15.485>And <00:34:15.612>that's, <00:34:15.739>uh, <00:34:15.866>the, <00:34:15.994>the <00:34:16.121>HTML <00:34:16.248>has <00:34:16.375>to <00:34:16.503>look <00:34:16.630>exactly <00:34:16.757>like <00:34:16.885>that.

800
00:34:19.245 --> 00:34:20.345
<00:34:19.245>And <00:34:19.492>we <00:34:19.739>keep <00:34:19.987>telling <00:34:20.234>people

801
00:34:20.345 --> 00:34:21.545
<00:34:20.344>there's <00:34:20.614>a <00:34:20.884>living, <00:34:21.155>breathing <00:34:21.425>thing.

802
00:34:21.605 --> 00:34:23.665
<00:34:21.605>The <00:34:21.780>font, <00:34:21.955>the, <00:34:22.130>the <00:34:22.304>screen <00:34:22.480>size <00:34:22.655>might <00:34:22.830>be <00:34:23.005>different.

803
00:34:23.665 --> 00:34:25.465
<00:34:23.665>It <00:34:23.945>might <00:34:24.225>be <00:34:24.505>zoomed <00:34:24.784>into <00:34:25.065>400%.

804
00:34:25.845 --> 00:34:28.025
<00:34:25.844>It <00:34:25.984>might <00:34:26.125>be <00:34:26.264>a <00:34:26.404>thing <00:34:26.544>that <00:34:26.685>basically <00:34:26.824>people <00:34:26.964>have <00:34:27.105>a <00:34:27.245>different

805
00:34:28.055 --> 00:34:29.785
<00:34:28.054>font <00:34:28.288>or <00:34:28.521>something <00:34:28.754>could <00:34:28.988>not <00:34:29.221>get <00:34:29.455>loaded.

806
00:34:30.005 --> 00:34:33.945
<00:34:30.005>So <00:34:30.121>it <00:34:30.238>will <00:34:30.355>never <00:34:30.471>be, <00:34:30.588>uh, <00:34:30.705>uh, <00:34:30.821>the <00:34:30.938>idea <00:34:31.055>of <00:34:31.171>making <00:34:31.288>a <00:34:31.405>design

807
00:34:33.965 --> 00:34:36.225
<00:34:33.965>and <00:34:34.165>turning <00:34:34.365>it <00:34:34.565>into <00:34:34.765>an <00:34:34.965>app <00:34:35.165>was, <00:34:35.365>uh,

808
00:34:36.245 --> 00:34:37.745
<00:34:36.245>was <00:34:36.514>basically <00:34:36.784>what <00:34:37.054>we <00:34:37.324>told <00:34:37.594>people.

809
00:34:37.745 --> 00:34:39.345
<00:34:37.745>This <00:34:37.920>is <00:34:38.094>not <00:34:38.270>how <00:34:38.444>to <00:34:38.620>make <00:34:38.795>the <00:34:38.969>thing <00:34:39.145>accessible.

810
00:34:39.345 --> 00:34:40.425
<00:34:39.344>You <00:34:39.507>have <00:34:39.668>to <00:34:39.831>think <00:34:39.993>about <00:34:40.155>the <00:34:40.317>components

811
00:34:40.445 --> 00:34:42.025
<00:34:40.445>and <00:34:40.725>make <00:34:41.005>the <00:34:41.285>little <00:34:41.565>components <00:34:41.845>accessible.

812
00:34:42.285 --> 00:34:45.265
<00:34:42.284>But <00:34:42.440>now <00:34:42.596>the, <00:34:42.751>the, <00:34:42.907>the <00:34:43.062>Cinderella <00:34:43.218>story <00:34:43.373>of <00:34:43.529>like <00:34:43.685>racks

813
00:34:45.265 --> 00:34:49.025
<00:34:45.264>to <00:34:45.420>riches, <00:34:45.576>rack <00:34:45.731>to <00:34:45.887>riches <00:34:46.042>is <00:34:46.198>basically <00:34:46.353>just <00:34:46.509>dragging <00:34:46.665>an

814
00:34:49.025 --> 00:34:51.905
<00:34:49.025>image <00:34:49.165>into <00:34:49.305>chat <00:34:49.445>GPT <00:34:49.585>and <00:34:49.725>getting <00:34:49.865>the <00:34:50.005>code <00:34:50.145>generated <00:34:50.285>for <00:34:50.425>you.

815
00:34:51.965 --> 00:34:54.385
<00:34:51.965>So <00:34:52.072>we <00:34:52.180>are <00:34:52.288>back <00:34:52.395>in <00:34:52.503>these, <00:34:52.611>what <00:34:52.718>you <00:34:52.826>see <00:34:52.934>is <00:34:53.041>what <00:34:53.149>you <00:34:53.257>get <00:34:53.365>days

816
00:34:54.385 --> 00:34:55.905
<00:34:54.385>of <00:34:54.841>1997, <00:34:55.297>aren't <00:34:55.753>we?

817
00:34:56.645 --> 00:34:59.465
<00:34:56.645>Oh, <00:34:56.995>yes, <00:34:57.345>yes, <00:34:57.695>we <00:34:58.045>are.

818
00:35:02.845 --> 00:35:04.505
<00:35:02.845>You <00:35:03.020>went <00:35:03.194>back <00:35:03.370>there <00:35:03.544>for <00:35:03.720>a <00:35:03.895>second. <00:35:04.069>Uh, <00:35:04.245>yeah,

819
00:35:05.345 --> 00:35:06.585
<00:35:05.345>I, <00:35:05.568>I'm, <00:35:05.791>I'm, <00:35:06.014>I'm <00:35:06.237>still <00:35:06.461>there.

820
00:35:07.815 --> 00:35:09.265
<00:35:07.815>Yeah, <00:35:08.076>no, <00:35:08.337>it's, <00:35:08.598>yeah, <00:35:08.859>you're <00:35:09.120>right.

821
00:35:09.335 --> 00:35:10.425
<00:35:09.335>It's, <00:35:09.662>it's, <00:35:09.989>it's <00:35:10.316>intense.

822
00:35:10.605 --> 00:35:15.365
<00:35:10.605>And <00:35:10.745>I <00:35:10.885>think <00:35:11.025>the, <00:35:11.165>the, <00:35:11.305>the <00:35:11.445>things <00:35:11.585>that <00:35:11.725>have <00:35:11.865>changed <00:35:12.005>are,

823
00:35:15.745 --> 00:35:17.445
<00:35:15.745>are <00:35:16.444>massive, <00:35:17.145>right?

824
00:35:17.445 --> 00:35:19.525
<00:35:17.445>Like <00:35:17.620>the, <00:35:17.795>the, <00:35:17.970>the, <00:35:18.145>the, <00:35:18.320>the <00:35:18.495>way <00:35:18.670>that, <00:35:18.845>uh,

825
00:35:19.525 --> 00:35:21.765
<00:35:19.525>code <00:35:19.725>was <00:35:19.925>generated <00:35:20.125>back <00:35:20.325>then <00:35:20.525>is <00:35:20.725>not <00:35:20.925>even

826
00:35:22.365 --> 00:35:24.085
<00:35:22.365>remotely <00:35:22.598>comparable <00:35:22.831>to <00:35:23.064>what <00:35:23.298>is, <00:35:23.531>is <00:35:23.765>now.

827
00:35:25.105 --> 00:35:27.485
<00:35:25.105>Uh, <00:35:25.305>and <00:35:25.505>repeating <00:35:25.705>myself, <00:35:25.905>I, <00:35:26.105>I <00:35:26.305>feel <00:35:26.505>like

828
00:35:28.275 --> 00:35:31.125
<00:35:28.275>there's <00:35:28.430>a <00:35:28.586>whole <00:35:28.741>lot <00:35:28.897>more <00:35:29.052>opportunities <00:35:29.208>today <00:35:29.363>than <00:35:29.519>there <00:35:29.675>were

829
00:35:31.125 --> 00:35:33.205
<00:35:31.125>back <00:35:31.358>then <00:35:31.591>in <00:35:31.825>like, <00:35:32.058>making <00:35:32.291>the <00:35:32.525>things

830
00:35:33.205 --> 00:35:35.645
<00:35:33.205>that <00:35:33.380>are <00:35:33.555>being <00:35:33.730>generated, <00:35:33.904>uh, <00:35:34.080>a <00:35:34.255>whole <00:35:34.430>lot <00:35:34.605>better.

831
00:35:36.545 --> 00:35:37.935
<00:35:36.545>Hmm. <00:35:36.795>You <00:35:37.045>know <00:35:37.295>what? <00:35:37.545>There's <00:35:37.796>still

832
00:35:37.935 --> 00:35:39.175
<00:35:37.935>A <00:35:38.059>lot <00:35:38.183>of <00:35:38.307>work <00:35:38.431>for <00:35:38.555>us <00:35:38.679>to <00:35:38.803>do, <00:35:38.927>for <00:35:39.051>sure.

833
00:35:40.155 --> 00:35:42.975
<00:35:40.155>You <00:35:40.435>know <00:35:40.715>what? <00:35:40.995>Also <00:35:41.275>intense <00:35:41.555>camping.

834
00:35:43.735 --> 00:35:45.975
<00:35:43.735>I <00:35:43.862>knew <00:35:43.989>it. <00:35:44.116>I <00:35:44.244>knew <00:35:44.371>it. <00:35:44.498>I <00:35:44.625>knew <00:35:44.753>that <00:35:44.880>was <00:35:45.007>a <00:35:45.135>joke.

835
00:35:47.485 --> 00:35:50.295
<00:35:47.485>Okay. <00:35:47.718>Uh, <00:35:47.951>talking <00:35:48.185>about <00:35:48.418>jokes, <00:35:48.651>this <00:35:48.885>thing

836
00:35:51.175 --> 00:35:52.855
<00:35:51.175>I <00:35:51.408>saw <00:35:51.641>the <00:35:51.875>other <00:35:52.108>day, <00:35:52.341>oh, <00:35:52.575>I

837
00:35:52.855 --> 00:35:56.495
<00:35:52.855>Saw <00:35:53.010>it <00:35:53.166>too <00:35:53.321>In, <00:35:53.477>and <00:35:53.632>I <00:35:53.788>posted <00:35:53.943>it <00:35:54.099>on <00:35:54.255>LinkedIn

838
00:35:56.495 --> 00:35:57.815
<00:35:56.495>and <00:35:56.692>asked <00:35:56.891>people <00:35:57.089>what's <00:35:57.287>wrong <00:35:57.485>with <00:35:57.683>it?

839
00:35:57.915 --> 00:36:01.175
<00:35:57.915>And <00:35:58.090>it <00:35:58.265>got <00:35:58.440>like <00:35:58.615>20,000 <00:35:58.790>or <00:35:58.965>something, <00:35:59.140>like <00:35:59.315>lots

840
00:36:01.175 --> 00:36:02.175
<00:36:01.175>and <00:36:01.400>lots <00:36:01.625>of <00:36:01.850>hi <00:36:02.075>hits.

841
00:36:02.915 --> 00:36:07.015
<00:36:02.915>And <00:36:03.031>it <00:36:03.148>just <00:36:03.265>baffled <00:36:03.381>me, <00:36:03.498>this <00:36:03.615>was <00:36:03.731>part <00:36:03.848>of <00:36:03.965>a <00:36:04.081>read <00:36:04.198>me <00:36:04.315>MD

842
00:36:07.015 --> 00:36:10.055
<00:36:07.015>because, <00:36:07.170>uh, <00:36:07.326>the <00:36:07.481>problem <00:36:07.637>is <00:36:07.792>that <00:36:07.948>markdown <00:36:08.103>doesn't <00:36:08.259>allow <00:36:08.415>you

843
00:36:10.055 --> 00:36:13.015
<00:36:10.055>to <00:36:10.254>do <00:36:10.455>any <00:36:10.654>styling <00:36:10.855>whatsoever, <00:36:11.055>probably <00:36:11.254>on, <00:36:11.455>uh,

844
00:36:13.195 --> 00:36:14.535
<00:36:13.195>by, <00:36:13.597>uh, <00:36:13.999>by <00:36:14.401>design.

845
00:36:15.155 --> 00:36:17.255
<00:36:15.155>But <00:36:15.282>at <00:36:15.409>the <00:36:15.536>same <00:36:15.664>time, <00:36:15.791>if <00:36:15.918>you <00:36:16.045>want <00:36:16.173>to <00:36:16.300>have <00:36:16.427>an <00:36:16.555>image

846
00:36:17.255 --> 00:36:19.415
<00:36:17.255>that's <00:36:17.430>centered, <00:36:17.605>uh, <00:36:17.780>you <00:36:17.955>cannot <00:36:18.130>do <00:36:18.305>it <00:36:18.480>in <00:36:18.655>markdown.

847
00:36:19.415 --> 00:36:22.575
<00:36:19.415>You <00:36:19.555>have <00:36:19.695>to <00:36:19.835>rely <00:36:19.975>on <00:36:20.115>the <00:36:20.255>template <00:36:20.395>that <00:36:20.535>you're <00:36:20.675>generating <00:36:20.815>HTML

848
00:36:22.575 --> 00:36:24.015
<00:36:22.575>with <00:36:22.834>from <00:36:23.093>markdown <00:36:23.352>to <00:36:23.611>see <00:36:23.871>it.

849
00:36:24.475 --> 00:36:26.375
<00:36:24.475>And <00:36:24.674>this <00:36:24.875>is <00:36:25.075>what <00:36:25.275>somebody <00:36:25.475>put <00:36:25.674>in <00:36:25.875>there.

850
00:36:26.475 --> 00:36:29.575
<00:36:26.475>And <00:36:26.630>I <00:36:26.786>was <00:36:26.941>just <00:36:27.097>like, <00:36:27.252>holy <00:36:27.408>cow, <00:36:27.563>this <00:36:27.719>is <00:36:27.875>incredible.

851
00:36:30.405 --> 00:36:32.065
<00:36:30.405>So <00:36:30.580>let <00:36:30.755>me <00:36:30.930>count <00:36:31.105>the <00:36:31.280>ways, <00:36:31.455>oh, <00:36:31.630>no, <00:36:31.805>no,

852
00:36:32.065 --> 00:36:33.105
<00:36:32.065>let <00:36:32.299>you <00:36:32.533>count <00:36:32.767>the <00:36:33.001>waist.

853
00:36:33.205 --> 00:36:35.225
<00:36:33.205>Dan, <00:36:33.380>what's <00:36:33.555>the <00:36:33.730>first <00:36:33.904>thing <00:36:34.080>that <00:36:34.255>came <00:36:34.430>to <00:36:34.605>you

854
00:36:35.255 --> 00:36:36.825
<00:36:35.255>that <00:36:35.488>was <00:36:35.721>like, <00:36:35.955>what's <00:36:36.188>going <00:36:36.421>on <00:36:36.655>there?

855
00:36:37.085 --> 00:36:38.825
<00:36:37.085>Uh, <00:36:37.318>a <00:36:37.551>line <00:36:37.785>center. <00:36:38.018>I <00:36:38.251>felt <00:36:38.485>like

856
00:36:38.845 --> 00:36:39.865
<00:36:38.845>I'd <00:36:39.028>gone <00:36:39.212>back <00:36:39.395>to <00:36:39.579>the <00:36:39.763>nineties.

857
00:36:39.985 --> 00:36:41.865
<00:36:39.985>I <00:36:40.185>wasn't <00:36:40.385>even <00:36:40.585>sure <00:36:40.785>if <00:36:40.985>it <00:36:41.185>was <00:36:41.385>deprecated.

858
00:36:42.105 --> 00:36:43.785
<00:36:42.105>I <00:36:42.385>thought <00:36:42.665>it <00:36:42.945>probably <00:36:43.225>still <00:36:43.505>works,

859
00:36:43.965 --> 00:36:46.065
<00:36:43.965>but <00:36:44.198>Yeah, <00:36:44.431>I <00:36:44.665>dunno. <00:36:44.898>That <00:36:45.131>first. <00:36:45.365>Yeah,

860
00:36:46.065 --> 00:36:47.065
<00:36:46.065>That's <00:36:46.245>the <00:36:46.425>first <00:36:46.605>one. <00:36:46.785>Yeah, <00:36:46.965>I,

861
00:36:47.065 --> 00:36:48.305
<00:36:47.065>I, <00:36:47.344>same <00:36:47.623>thing <00:36:47.902>here, <00:36:48.181>right?

862
00:36:48.305 --> 00:36:50.425
<00:36:48.305>Like, <00:36:48.432>uh, <00:36:48.559>Alliance <00:36:48.686>Center <00:36:48.814>was <00:36:48.941>the <00:36:49.068>first <00:36:49.195>thing <00:36:49.323>I <00:36:49.450>saw <00:36:49.577>when <00:36:49.705>you

863
00:36:50.425 --> 00:36:54.625
<00:36:50.425>just <00:36:50.580>mentioned <00:36:50.736>that <00:36:50.891>it <00:36:51.047>was <00:36:51.202>to <00:36:51.358>be <00:36:51.513>rendered <00:36:51.669>in <00:36:51.825>markdown.

864
00:36:55.425 --> 00:36:57.465
<00:36:55.425>I <00:36:55.600>have <00:36:55.775>to <00:36:55.950>give <00:36:56.125>some <00:36:56.300>credits <00:36:56.475>to <00:36:56.650>the <00:36:56.825>author

865
00:36:57.785 --> 00:36:59.265
<00:36:57.785>'cause <00:36:58.051>yes, <00:36:58.317>it's <00:36:58.584>ugly <00:36:58.850>as <00:36:59.116>hell

866
00:36:59.265 --> 00:37:00.625
<00:36:59.265>and <00:36:59.509>it's <00:36:59.754>straight <00:36:59.999>from <00:37:00.244>the <00:37:00.489>nineties,

867
00:37:01.205 --> 00:37:02.825
<00:37:01.205>but <00:37:01.485>that's <00:37:01.765>probably <00:37:02.045>the <00:37:02.325>one <00:37:02.605>way

868
00:37:02.825 --> 00:37:04.865
<00:37:02.825>to <00:37:03.058>solve <00:37:03.291>this <00:37:03.524>problem <00:37:03.758>in <00:37:03.991>that <00:37:04.225>context.

869
00:37:05.125 --> 00:37:06.125
No,

870
00:37:06.665 --> 00:37:07.665
<00:37:06.665>Probably. <00:37:06.965>Yeah. <00:37:07.265>But, <00:37:07.565>uh,

871
00:37:07.665 --> 00:37:08.785
<00:37:07.665>I, <00:37:07.866>I <00:37:08.068>was <00:37:08.269>amazed <00:37:08.471>as <00:37:08.673>well.

872
00:37:08.785 --> 00:37:12.185
<00:37:08.785>Like, <00:37:08.912>I <00:37:09.039>mean, <00:37:09.166>uh, <00:37:09.294>I, <00:37:09.421>I, <00:37:09.548>I, <00:37:09.675>what's <00:37:09.803>next, <00:37:09.930>like <00:37:10.057>TD <00:37:10.185>align

873
00:37:12.285 --> 00:37:15.385
<00:37:12.285>and, <00:37:12.401>uh, <00:37:12.518>like <00:37:12.634>all <00:37:12.751>the <00:37:12.868>stuff <00:37:12.984>we <00:37:13.101>had <00:37:13.218>in, <00:37:13.335>in <00:37:13.451>the <00:37:13.568>whole, <00:37:13.685>uh,

874
00:37:15.445 --> 00:37:17.745
<00:37:15.445>tables <00:37:15.678>back <00:37:15.911>then, <00:37:16.145>but <00:37:16.378>yeah, <00:37:16.611>it's, <00:37:16.845>uh,

875
00:37:17.775 --> 00:37:19.945
<00:37:17.775>that <00:37:17.950>it <00:37:18.125>is <00:37:18.300>still <00:37:18.475>supported, <00:37:18.650>fascinated <00:37:18.825>me <00:37:19.000>as <00:37:19.175>well.

876
00:37:20.085 --> 00:37:21.625
<00:37:20.085>Uh, <00:37:20.283>I, <00:37:20.481>I <00:37:20.679>thought <00:37:20.877>we <00:37:21.075>kicked <00:37:21.273>it <00:37:21.471>out

877
00:37:21.625 --> 00:37:23.225
<00:37:21.625>with <00:37:21.858>HTML <00:37:22.091>five, <00:37:22.325>but <00:37:22.558>we <00:37:22.791>did <00:37:23.025>not.

878
00:37:23.335 --> 00:37:24.945
<00:37:23.335>It's <00:37:23.510>still <00:37:23.685>one <00:37:23.860>of <00:37:24.035>the <00:37:24.210>global <00:37:24.385>status <00:37:24.560>in <00:37:24.735>there.

879
00:37:25.425 --> 00:37:28.345
<00:37:25.425>I <00:37:25.580>guess <00:37:25.736>you <00:37:25.891>cannot <00:37:26.047>break <00:37:26.202>the <00:37:26.358>web. <00:37:26.513>That's <00:37:26.669>why <00:37:26.825>I

880
00:37:28.345 --> 00:37:30.825
<00:37:28.345>Was <00:37:28.500>gonna <00:37:28.656>say <00:37:28.811>that's, <00:37:28.967>that's <00:37:29.122>like <00:37:29.278>the <00:37:29.433>one <00:37:29.589>golden <00:37:29.745>rule

881
00:37:30.825 --> 00:37:33.065
<00:37:30.825>for <00:37:31.058>browser <00:37:31.291>vendors, <00:37:31.524>like <00:37:31.758>never <00:37:31.991>break <00:37:32.225>anything.

882
00:37:33.095 --> 00:37:34.905
<00:37:33.095>Like, <00:37:33.375>and <00:37:33.654>there's <00:37:33.935>websites <00:37:34.214>out <00:37:34.495>there

883
00:37:34.905 --> 00:37:36.865
<00:37:34.905>that <00:37:35.138>probably <00:37:35.371>fully <00:37:35.605>rely <00:37:35.838>on <00:37:36.071>this <00:37:36.305>code

884
00:37:36.865 --> 00:37:37.905
<00:37:36.865>to <00:37:37.052>not <00:37:37.239>go <00:37:37.426>up <00:37:37.613>in <00:37:37.801>flames.

885
00:37:38.405 --> 00:37:40.265
<00:37:38.405>So <00:37:38.605>yes, <00:37:38.805>I'm <00:37:39.005>sure <00:37:39.205>that's <00:37:39.405>never <00:37:39.605>going <00:37:39.805>away.

886
00:37:40.985 --> 00:37:43.425
<00:37:40.985>I <00:37:41.140>mean, <00:37:41.296>next <00:37:41.451>is <00:37:41.607>the <00:37:41.762>Cardinal <00:37:41.918>send, <00:37:42.073>no <00:37:42.229>alternative <00:37:42.385>text.

887
00:37:43.645 --> 00:37:46.625
<00:37:43.645>But, <00:37:43.800>uh, <00:37:43.956>yeah, <00:37:44.111>I <00:37:44.267>mean, <00:37:44.422>what <00:37:44.578>people <00:37:44.733>forget <00:37:44.889>is <00:37:45.045>like,

888
00:37:46.735 --> 00:37:48.305
<00:37:46.735>this <00:37:47.085>is <00:37:47.435>not <00:37:47.785>actually <00:37:48.135>meaning

889
00:37:48.305 --> 00:37:50.585
<00:37:48.305>that <00:37:48.504>a <00:37:48.705>screen <00:37:48.904>reader <00:37:49.105>would <00:37:49.305>say <00:37:49.504>like <00:37:49.705>image,

890
00:37:50.965 --> 00:37:53.505
<00:37:50.965>but <00:37:51.120>the <00:37:51.276>screen <00:37:51.431>reader <00:37:51.587>will <00:37:51.742>read <00:37:51.898>out <00:37:52.053>the <00:37:52.209>file <00:37:52.365>name,

891
00:37:53.685 --> 00:37:55.185
<00:37:53.685>and <00:37:53.955>that <00:37:54.225>could <00:37:54.495>be <00:37:54.765>really, <00:37:55.035>really,

892
00:37:55.285 --> 00:37:56.705
<00:37:55.285>if <00:37:55.498>you <00:37:55.711>have <00:37:55.924>like <00:37:56.136>an <00:37:56.350>Image <00:37:56.563>X

893
00:37:56.765 --> 00:37:58.705
<00:37:56.765>or <00:37:57.115>a <00:37:57.464>Cloudinary <00:37:57.815>URL, <00:37:58.165>yes,

894
00:37:58.705 --> 00:38:00.305
<00:37:58.705>this <00:37:58.904>could <00:37:59.105>be <00:37:59.305>20 <00:37:59.505>minutes <00:37:59.705>of <00:37:59.904>their <00:38:00.105>time.

895
00:38:00.845 --> 00:38:03.185
<00:38:00.845>Mm-hmm. <00:38:01.020>Yeah. <00:38:01.194>It's, <00:38:01.370>it's <00:38:01.544>a <00:38:01.720>good <00:38:01.895>investment <00:38:02.069>right <00:38:02.245>there.

896
00:38:03.695 --> 00:38:06.145
<00:38:03.695>Yeah. <00:38:03.895>And <00:38:04.095>it's, <00:38:04.295>it's, <00:38:04.495>it's <00:38:04.695>just <00:38:04.895>meaningless, <00:38:05.095>right?

897
00:38:06.145 --> 00:38:09.985
<00:38:06.145>Like <00:38:06.285>having <00:38:06.425>the <00:38:06.565>screen <00:38:06.705>read <00:38:06.845>to <00:38:06.985>you <00:38:07.125>image <00:38:07.265>images, <00:38:07.405>logo, <00:38:07.545>P

898
00:38:09.985 --> 00:38:12.145
<00:38:09.985>and <00:38:10.451>g <00:38:10.918>thank <00:38:11.385>you.

899
00:38:12.655 --> 00:38:14.945
<00:38:12.655>It's, <00:38:12.830>it's <00:38:13.005>exactly <00:38:13.180>what <00:38:13.355>you <00:38:13.530>wanted <00:38:13.705>at <00:38:13.880>that <00:38:14.055>point.

900
00:38:15.525 --> 00:38:18.185
<00:38:15.525>And <00:38:15.652>then <00:38:15.779>again, <00:38:15.906>like <00:38:16.034>you, <00:38:16.161>it <00:38:16.288>could <00:38:16.415>run <00:38:16.543>like <00:38:16.670>the, <00:38:16.797>the, <00:38:16.925>the,

901
00:38:18.285 --> 00:38:22.585
<00:38:18.285>uh, <00:38:18.440>uh, <00:38:18.596>auto <00:38:18.751>all <00:38:18.907>text <00:38:19.062>generator <00:38:19.218>from, <00:38:19.373>from <00:38:19.529>your <00:38:19.685>browser

902
00:38:22.685 --> 00:38:24.665
<00:38:22.685>and <00:38:22.840>will <00:38:22.996>tell <00:38:23.151>you, <00:38:23.307>oh <00:38:23.462>yeah, <00:38:23.618>it's <00:38:23.773>probably <00:38:23.929>a <00:38:24.085>logo.

903
00:38:25.255 --> 00:38:27.825
<00:38:25.255>Yeah, <00:38:25.455>probably <00:38:25.655>a <00:38:25.855>logo <00:38:26.055>is <00:38:26.255>my <00:38:26.455>favorite. <00:38:26.655>Yeah.

904
00:38:27.935 --> 00:38:30.065
<00:38:27.935>It's <00:38:28.110>like <00:38:28.285>that <00:38:28.460>also <00:38:28.634>means <00:38:28.810>like <00:38:28.985>they <00:38:29.160>probably <00:38:29.335>generated

905
00:38:30.065 --> 00:38:32.745
<00:38:30.065>with <00:38:30.205>AI <00:38:30.345>and <00:38:30.485>didn't <00:38:30.625>ask <00:38:30.765>a <00:38:30.905>designer <00:38:31.045>to <00:38:31.185>create <00:38:31.325>a <00:38:31.465>logo.

906
00:38:33.485 --> 00:38:36.090
<00:38:33.485>What's <00:38:33.640>the <00:38:33.796>next <00:38:33.951>thing <00:38:34.107>in <00:38:34.262>the <00:38:34.418>image <00:38:34.573>that's <00:38:34.729>problematic <00:38:34.885>there?

907
00:38:36.155 --> 00:38:38.525
<00:38:36.155>Dirk? <00:38:36.388>Let's <00:38:36.621>test <00:38:36.855>your <00:38:37.088>old <00:38:37.321>HTML <00:38:37.555>skills

908
00:38:38.525 --> 00:38:40.405
<00:38:38.525>there. <00:38:38.991>What's <00:38:39.458>wrong <00:38:39.925>with

909
00:38:40.405 --> 00:38:41.405
<00:38:40.405>That <00:38:40.630>image? <00:38:40.855>Okay, <00:38:41.080>so <00:38:41.305>I,

910
00:38:41.405 --> 00:38:44.245
<00:38:41.405>I, <00:38:41.532>I <00:38:41.659>have <00:38:41.786>to <00:38:41.914>admit, <00:38:42.041>I, <00:38:42.168>I <00:38:42.295>did <00:38:42.423>read <00:38:42.550>the, <00:38:42.677>the, <00:38:42.805>the,

911
00:38:44.265 --> 00:38:46.645
<00:38:44.265>the <00:38:44.440>comment <00:38:44.615>thread, <00:38:44.790>and <00:38:44.964>there <00:38:45.140>were <00:38:45.315>people <00:38:45.490>like, <00:38:45.665>oh,

912
00:38:46.665 --> 00:38:47.965
<00:38:46.665>we, <00:38:46.860>I, <00:38:47.055>you <00:38:47.250>don't <00:38:47.445>need <00:38:47.640>that <00:38:47.835>anymore.

913
00:38:48.825 --> 00:38:53.565
<00:38:48.825>Uh, <00:38:48.980>I, <00:38:49.136>I <00:38:49.291>have <00:38:49.447>different <00:38:49.602>experiences <00:38:49.758>there, <00:38:49.913>like <00:38:50.069>the <00:38:50.225>amount

914
00:38:53.685 --> 00:38:55.845
<00:38:53.685>of <00:38:53.918>things <00:38:54.151>that <00:38:54.384>like <00:38:54.618>pop <00:38:54.851>into, <00:38:55.085>uh,

915
00:38:56.075 --> 00:38:57.405
<00:38:56.075>size <00:38:56.314>when <00:38:56.553>it's <00:38:56.793>a <00:38:57.032>bigger <00:38:57.272>one.

916
00:38:57.405 --> 00:38:59.085
<00:38:57.405>Like <00:38:57.605>imagine <00:38:57.805>that <00:38:58.005>the <00:38:58.205>image <00:38:58.405>that <00:38:58.605>logo <00:38:58.805>p

917
00:38:59.085 --> 00:39:01.925
<00:38:59.085>and <00:38:59.240>g <00:38:59.396>is <00:38:59.551>based <00:38:59.707>on <00:38:59.862>the <00:39:00.018>quality <00:39:00.173>of <00:39:00.329>that <00:39:00.485>code,

918
00:39:02.725 --> 00:39:05.285
<00:39:02.725>probably <00:39:02.900>like <00:39:03.075>a <00:39:03.250>five <00:39:03.424>megabyte, <00:39:03.600>uh, <00:39:03.775>file <00:39:03.950>that, <00:39:04.125>uh,

919
00:39:05.385 --> 00:39:07.765
<00:39:05.385>has <00:39:05.560>been <00:39:05.735>handed <00:39:05.910>over <00:39:06.085>from <00:39:06.260>the <00:39:06.435>designers <00:39:06.610>straight <00:39:06.785>away.

920
00:39:08.345 --> 00:39:09.965
<00:39:08.345>Uh, <00:39:08.694>and <00:39:09.044>if <00:39:09.395>that <00:39:09.745>loads

921
00:39:10.065 --> 00:39:12.325
<00:39:10.065>and <00:39:10.205>you <00:39:10.345>have <00:39:10.485>not <00:39:10.625>put <00:39:10.765>in <00:39:10.905>the <00:39:11.045>width <00:39:11.185>in <00:39:11.325>the <00:39:11.465>height,

922
00:39:12.505 --> 00:39:14.525
<00:39:12.505>it <00:39:12.785>will <00:39:13.065>like, <00:39:13.345>do <00:39:13.625>like <00:39:13.905>this,

923
00:39:14.525 --> 00:39:16.845
<00:39:14.525>this <00:39:14.700>massive <00:39:14.875>like <00:39:15.050>kill <00:39:15.225>everything <00:39:15.400>and <00:39:15.575>then <00:39:15.750>go <00:39:15.925>back.

924
00:39:17.385 --> 00:39:20.085
<00:39:17.385>So <00:39:17.560>the <00:39:17.735>width <00:39:17.910>height <00:39:18.085>I <00:39:18.260>would <00:39:18.435>probably <00:39:18.610>put <00:39:18.785>in.

925
00:39:20.165 --> 00:39:21.485
<00:39:20.165>I <00:39:20.334>don't <00:39:20.504>think <00:39:20.674>you <00:39:20.843>need <00:39:21.013>the <00:39:21.183>PX <00:39:21.353>though.

926
00:39:22.225 --> 00:39:23.555
<00:39:22.225>Yeah, <00:39:22.524>exactly. <00:39:22.823>That's <00:39:23.122>the <00:39:23.422>problem.

927
00:39:23.855 --> 00:39:25.995
<00:39:23.855>PX <00:39:24.088>is <00:39:24.321>actually <00:39:24.555>not <00:39:24.788>in <00:39:25.021>HTML <00:39:25.255>five.

928
00:39:26.015 --> 00:39:29.355
<00:39:26.015>It <00:39:26.142>basically <00:39:26.269>is, <00:39:26.396>is <00:39:26.524>an <00:39:26.651>it, <00:39:26.778>uh, <00:39:26.905>it <00:39:27.033>reads <00:39:27.160>the <00:39:27.287>first <00:39:27.415>integer

929
00:39:29.355 --> 00:39:30.915
<00:39:29.355>and <00:39:29.588>then <00:39:29.821>it <00:39:30.055>actually <00:39:30.288>do, <00:39:30.521>does <00:39:30.755>away

930
00:39:30.915 --> 00:39:33.715
<00:39:30.915>with <00:39:31.090>whatever <00:39:31.265>you <00:39:31.440>put <00:39:31.615>in <00:39:31.790>there <00:39:31.965>except <00:39:32.140>for <00:39:32.315>percentage.

931
00:39:33.775 --> 00:39:35.315
<00:39:33.775>So <00:39:34.006>I <00:39:34.237>think <00:39:34.468>that <00:39:34.699>there's <00:39:34.930>still <00:39:35.161>some

932
00:39:35.325 --> 00:39:36.835
<00:39:35.325>weird <00:39:35.596>bit <00:39:35.868>in <00:39:36.140>there <00:39:36.412>as <00:39:36.684>well.

933
00:39:37.335 --> 00:39:39.755
<00:39:37.335>But <00:39:37.535>yeah, <00:39:37.735>with <00:39:37.935>the <00:39:38.135>night, <00:39:38.335>uh, <00:39:38.535>I <00:39:38.735>agree.

934
00:39:39.955 --> 00:39:41.755
<00:39:39.955>I <00:39:40.130>think <00:39:40.305>there <00:39:40.480>was <00:39:40.654>also <00:39:40.830>people <00:39:41.005>that <00:39:41.180>commented <00:39:41.355>with,

935
00:39:41.755 --> 00:39:43.475
<00:39:41.755>with <00:39:42.105>only <00:39:42.455>is <00:39:42.805>enough, <00:39:43.155>uh,

936
00:39:43.475 --> 00:39:46.635
<00:39:43.475>because <00:39:43.615>it <00:39:43.755>has <00:39:43.895>the, <00:39:44.035>the, <00:39:44.174>the <00:39:44.315>image, <00:39:44.455>uh, <00:39:44.595>it, <00:39:44.735>it <00:39:44.875>expects

937
00:39:46.635 --> 00:39:49.195
<00:39:46.635>that <00:39:46.775>the <00:39:46.915>image <00:39:47.055>in <00:39:47.195>the <00:39:47.335>right, <00:39:47.475>in <00:39:47.615>the <00:39:47.755>right <00:39:47.895>aspect <00:39:48.035>ratio,

938
00:39:49.195 --> 00:39:51.195
<00:39:49.195>which <00:39:49.428>I, <00:39:49.661>I <00:39:49.895>don't <00:39:50.128>expect <00:39:50.361>anything <00:39:50.595>anymore

939
00:39:51.195 --> 00:39:52.635
<00:39:51.195>after <00:39:51.411>that <00:39:51.627>many <00:39:51.843>years <00:39:52.059>on <00:39:52.275>the <00:39:52.491>web.

940
00:39:53.335 --> 00:39:54.915
<00:39:53.335>But, <00:39:53.615>uh, <00:39:53.895>in <00:39:54.175>terms <00:39:54.455>of <00:39:54.735>performance,

941
00:39:54.915 --> 00:39:57.915
<00:39:54.915>like <00:39:55.090>every <00:39:55.265>performance <00:39:55.440>best <00:39:55.615>guide, <00:39:55.790>best <00:39:55.965>guidelines <00:39:56.140>tell <00:39:56.315>you

942
00:39:57.915 --> 00:40:00.835
<00:39:57.915>to <00:39:58.022>put <00:39:58.130>a <00:39:58.238>width <00:39:58.345>and <00:39:58.453>height <00:39:58.561>in, <00:39:58.668>even <00:39:58.776>if <00:39:58.884>you <00:39:58.991>resize <00:39:59.099>it <00:39:59.207>later <00:39:59.315>on

943
00:40:00.835 --> 00:40:02.235
<00:40:00.835>with <00:40:01.087>CSS, <00:40:01.339>which <00:40:01.591>you <00:40:01.843>probably <00:40:02.095>will.

944
00:40:02.615 --> 00:40:05.915
<00:40:02.615>But <00:40:02.770>it <00:40:02.926>also <00:40:03.081>tells <00:40:03.237>the <00:40:03.392>browser <00:40:03.548>upfront <00:40:03.703>what <00:40:03.859>to, <00:40:04.015>uh,

945
00:40:06.355 --> 00:40:07.955
<00:40:06.355>actually <00:40:06.635>in <00:40:06.915>terms <00:40:07.195>of <00:40:07.475>memory <00:40:07.755>consumption,

946
00:40:08.415 --> 00:40:12.115
<00:40:08.415>how <00:40:08.555>much <00:40:08.695>actually <00:40:08.835>it <00:40:08.975>would <00:40:09.115>generate <00:40:09.255>a, <00:40:09.395>a <00:40:09.535>bitmap <00:40:09.675>for, <00:40:09.815>like,

947
00:40:12.115 --> 00:40:13.635
<00:40:12.115>if <00:40:12.388>it <00:40:12.662>doesn't <00:40:12.935>have <00:40:13.209>anything, <00:40:13.483>uh,

948
00:40:13.635 --> 00:40:15.475
<00:40:13.635>if <00:40:13.790>it <00:40:13.946>doesn't <00:40:14.101>have <00:40:14.257>any <00:40:14.412>size <00:40:14.568>in <00:40:14.723>there <00:40:14.879>at <00:40:15.035>all,

949
00:40:15.625 --> 00:40:17.795
<00:40:15.625>then <00:40:15.765>it <00:40:15.905>will <00:40:16.045>all <00:40:16.185>take <00:40:16.325>the <00:40:16.465>full <00:40:16.605>size <00:40:16.745>of <00:40:16.885>the <00:40:17.025>image

950
00:40:17.855 --> 00:40:20.635
<00:40:17.855>and <00:40:18.055>actually <00:40:18.255>already <00:40:18.455>create <00:40:18.655>a <00:40:18.855>layer <00:40:19.055>or, <00:40:19.255>or,

951
00:40:20.635 --> 00:40:22.595
<00:40:20.635>or <00:40:20.810>bitm <00:40:20.985>map <00:40:21.160>for <00:40:21.335>you <00:40:21.510>in <00:40:21.685>the <00:40:21.860>rendering <00:40:22.035>process.

952
00:40:22.815 --> 00:40:24.795
<00:40:22.815>So <00:40:22.990>making <00:40:23.165>that <00:40:23.340>smaller <00:40:23.515>would <00:40:23.690>be <00:40:23.865>an <00:40:24.040>interesting <00:40:24.215>thing.

953
00:40:25.775 --> 00:40:27.235
<00:40:25.775>Uh, <00:40:26.037>the <00:40:26.300>next <00:40:26.563>thing <00:40:26.826>is <00:40:27.089>pr.

954
00:40:27.455 --> 00:40:30.475
<00:40:27.455>And <00:40:27.595>I <00:40:27.735>remember <00:40:27.875>tear, <00:40:28.015>oh, <00:40:28.154>that <00:40:28.295>really <00:40:28.435>took <00:40:28.575>from <00:40:28.715>Yahoo, <00:40:28.855>that,

955
00:40:30.495 --> 00:40:31.915
<00:40:30.495>uh, <00:40:30.708>I <00:40:30.921>didn't <00:40:31.134>know <00:40:31.346>he <00:40:31.560>still <00:40:31.773>lives,

956
00:40:32.055 --> 00:40:34.515
<00:40:32.055>and <00:40:32.194>he <00:40:32.335>came <00:40:32.475>on <00:40:32.615>the, <00:40:32.754>on <00:40:32.895>the <00:40:33.035>comment <00:40:33.174>thread <00:40:33.315>as <00:40:33.455>well.

957
00:40:34.895 --> 00:40:36.555
<00:40:34.895>And <00:40:35.245>X <00:40:35.595>HTL <00:40:35.945>is <00:40:36.295>life.

958
00:40:37.395 --> 00:40:39.755
<00:40:37.395>I <00:40:37.595>mean <00:40:37.795>this, <00:40:37.995>the <00:40:38.195>self-closing <00:40:38.395>X <00:40:38.595>HT <00:40:38.795>ML

959
00:40:39.755 --> 00:40:40.835
<00:40:39.755>thing, <00:40:39.998>that's <00:40:40.241>the <00:40:40.484>first <00:40:40.727>bit.

960
00:40:40.835 --> 00:40:43.875
<00:40:40.835>That <00:40:40.975>is <00:40:41.115>basically, <00:40:41.255>uh, <00:40:41.395>could, <00:40:41.535>we <00:40:41.675>could <00:40:41.815>spend <00:40:41.955>an <00:40:42.095>hour <00:40:42.235>on

961
00:40:43.875 --> 00:40:47.355
<00:40:43.875>that, <00:40:44.050>but <00:40:44.225>I <00:40:44.400>just <00:40:44.575>think <00:40:44.750>VR <00:40:44.925>is <00:40:45.100>bloody <00:40:45.275>useless.

962
00:40:47.455 --> 00:40:51.355
<00:40:47.455>VR <00:40:47.582>to <00:40:47.709>me <00:40:47.836>feels <00:40:47.964>like <00:40:48.091>a, <00:40:48.218>uh, <00:40:48.345>a, <00:40:48.473>a <00:40:48.600>like <00:40:48.727>remnant <00:40:48.855>of

963
00:40:52.065 --> 00:40:53.115
<00:40:52.065>HTML <00:40:53.009>3.2.

964
00:40:53.825 --> 00:40:56.435
<00:40:53.825>Like <00:40:53.980>if <00:40:54.136>you, <00:40:54.291>if <00:40:54.447>you <00:40:54.602>mean <00:40:54.758>it, <00:40:54.913>use <00:40:55.069>a <00:40:55.225>paragraph.

965
00:40:57.215 --> 00:41:00.195
<00:40:57.215>If <00:40:57.331>you <00:40:57.448>just <00:40:57.565>need <00:40:57.681>a <00:40:57.798>a, <00:40:57.915>a <00:40:58.031>break <00:40:58.148>into <00:40:58.265>a <00:40:58.381>next <00:40:58.498>line, <00:40:58.615>I,

966
00:41:00.315 --> 00:41:03.355
<00:41:00.315>I <00:41:00.515>guess <00:41:00.715>in <00:41:00.915>code <00:41:01.115>display, <00:41:01.315>source <00:41:01.515>code <00:41:01.715>display.

967
00:41:03.615 --> 00:41:06.235
<00:41:03.615>But <00:41:03.742>then <00:41:03.869>it <00:41:03.996>makes <00:41:04.124>more <00:41:04.251>sense <00:41:04.378>to <00:41:04.505>have <00:41:04.633>like <00:41:04.760>a <00:41:04.887>pre <00:41:05.015>element

968
00:41:06.455 --> 00:41:09.435
<00:41:06.455>to <00:41:06.630>actually <00:41:06.805>just <00:41:06.980>automatically <00:41:07.154>do <00:41:07.330>the <00:41:07.505>line <00:41:07.680>breaks <00:41:07.855>without

969
00:41:09.435 --> 00:41:11.515
<00:41:09.435>you <00:41:09.785>having <00:41:10.134>to <00:41:10.485>describe <00:41:10.835>them.

970
00:41:11.575 --> 00:41:14.835
<00:41:11.575>So <00:41:11.714>it's <00:41:11.855>PR <00:41:11.995>seems <00:41:12.134>to <00:41:12.274>be <00:41:12.415>like <00:41:12.555>a <00:41:12.694>semantic, <00:41:12.835>nons <00:41:12.975>semantic.

971
00:41:17.135 --> 00:41:19.385
<00:41:17.135>Well, <00:41:17.310>it <00:41:17.485>by <00:41:17.660>definition <00:41:17.835>has <00:41:18.010>no <00:41:18.185>semantic <00:41:18.360>meaning. <00:41:18.535>Yes.

972
00:41:19.685 --> 00:41:22.145
<00:41:19.685>Uh, <00:41:20.035>I, <00:41:20.384>again, <00:41:20.735>like <00:41:21.085>the,

973
00:41:22.245 --> 00:41:25.425
<00:41:22.245>the <00:41:22.400>self-closing <00:41:22.556>exel <00:41:22.711>just <00:41:22.867>took <00:41:23.022>me <00:41:23.178>all <00:41:23.333>the <00:41:23.489>way <00:41:23.645>back.

974
00:41:25.565 --> 00:41:27.225
<00:41:25.565>Uh, <00:41:25.765>it <00:41:25.965>was <00:41:26.165>all <00:41:26.365>the <00:41:26.565>rage <00:41:26.765>back <00:41:26.965>then.

975
00:41:27.765 --> 00:41:31.065
<00:41:27.765>Uh, <00:41:27.892>it, <00:41:28.019>it <00:41:28.146>might <00:41:28.274>again <00:41:28.401>with <00:41:28.528>the <00:41:28.655>context <00:41:28.783>you <00:41:28.910>gave <00:41:29.037>me <00:41:29.165>earlier

976
00:41:31.065 --> 00:41:33.565
<00:41:31.065>that <00:41:31.220>I <00:41:31.376>must <00:41:31.531>have <00:41:31.687>missed <00:41:31.842>out <00:41:31.998>in <00:41:32.153>the <00:41:32.309>original <00:41:32.465>thread.

977
00:41:34.065 --> 00:41:38.405
<00:41:34.065>If, <00:41:34.192>if <00:41:34.319>it's <00:41:34.446>meant <00:41:34.574>to <00:41:34.701>work <00:41:34.828>on <00:41:34.955>a <00:41:35.083>markdown <00:41:35.210>page <00:41:35.337>that <00:41:35.465>has

978
00:41:38.405 --> 00:41:41.445
<00:41:38.405>otherwise, <00:41:38.580>you <00:41:38.755>as <00:41:38.930>an <00:41:39.105>author <00:41:39.280>have <00:41:39.455>no <00:41:39.630>influence <00:41:39.805>on

979
00:41:41.445 --> 00:41:45.045
<00:41:41.445>how <00:41:41.600>it's <00:41:41.756>styled, <00:41:41.911>it <00:41:42.067>might <00:41:42.222>again <00:41:42.378>be <00:41:42.533>the <00:41:42.689>one <00:41:42.845>way

980
00:41:45.065 --> 00:41:47.125
<00:41:45.065>to <00:41:45.265>like, <00:41:45.465>get <00:41:45.665>it <00:41:45.865>done. <00:41:46.065>I'm, <00:41:46.265>I'm <00:41:46.465>torn.

981
00:41:47.925 --> 00:41:50.805
<00:41:47.925>Hmm. <00:41:48.080>Doesn't <00:41:48.236>it, <00:41:48.391>even <00:41:48.547>the <00:41:48.702>markdown <00:41:48.858>page <00:41:49.013>would <00:41:49.169>put <00:41:49.325>every

982
00:41:50.805 --> 00:41:53.845
<00:41:50.805>line <00:41:50.912>break <00:41:51.020>as <00:41:51.128>a <00:41:51.235>br <00:41:51.343>in <00:41:51.451>there <00:41:51.558>as <00:41:51.666>well, <00:41:51.774>or <00:41:51.881>as <00:41:51.989>a <00:41:52.097>new <00:41:52.205>paragraph

983
00:41:54.745 --> 00:41:55.805
<00:41:54.745>If <00:41:54.983>it's <00:41:55.221>two <00:41:55.460>line <00:41:55.698>breaks.

984
00:41:56.635 --> 00:41:57.725
<00:41:56.635>Okay. <00:41:57.125>Yeah. <00:41:57.616>Okay.

985
00:41:58.065 --> 00:42:00.365
<00:41:58.065>But <00:41:58.240>yeah, <00:41:58.415>this <00:41:58.590>was <00:41:58.765>fun <00:41:58.940>to <00:41:59.115>see <00:41:59.290>it <00:41:59.465>not,

986
00:42:00.545 --> 00:42:03.045
<00:42:00.545>but <00:42:00.720>it's <00:42:00.895>interesting <00:42:01.070>to <00:42:01.245>see <00:42:01.420>that <00:42:01.595>these <00:42:01.770>things <00:42:01.945>exist.

987
00:42:03.185 --> 00:42:06.445
<00:42:03.185>And <00:42:03.340>again, <00:42:03.496>if <00:42:03.651>you <00:42:03.807>meet <00:42:03.962>a <00:42:04.118>browser <00:42:04.273>maker, <00:42:04.429>hug <00:42:04.585>them,

988
00:42:06.505 --> 00:42:09.005
<00:42:06.505>buy <00:42:06.705>them <00:42:06.905>a <00:42:07.105>beer <00:42:07.305>or <00:42:07.505>some <00:42:07.705>non-alcoholic <00:42:07.905>drink

989
00:42:09.005 --> 00:42:11.525
<00:42:09.005>because <00:42:09.285>we <00:42:09.565>make <00:42:09.845>this <00:42:10.125>crap <00:42:10.405>work.

990
00:42:11.835 --> 00:42:14.525
<00:42:11.835>Like <00:42:11.975>even, <00:42:12.115>uh, <00:42:12.255>you <00:42:12.395>can, <00:42:12.535>you <00:42:12.675>can <00:42:12.815>do <00:42:12.955>whatever <00:42:13.095>you <00:42:13.235>want,

991
00:42:14.545 --> 00:42:16.725
<00:42:14.545>and <00:42:14.745>we <00:42:14.945>actually <00:42:15.145>make <00:42:15.345>things <00:42:15.545>kind <00:42:15.745>of <00:42:15.945>render.

992
00:42:17.305 --> 00:42:19.085
<00:42:17.305>And <00:42:17.504>I <00:42:17.705>think <00:42:17.904>that's <00:42:18.105>a <00:42:18.305>very <00:42:18.504>important <00:42:18.705>thing

993
00:42:19.085 --> 00:42:20.285
<00:42:19.085>that <00:42:19.445>the <00:42:19.805>backwards <00:42:20.165>compatibility

994
00:42:20.345 --> 00:42:22.205
<00:42:20.345>of <00:42:20.544>browsers <00:42:20.745>is <00:42:20.944>a <00:42:21.145>huge <00:42:21.345>thing <00:42:21.544>in <00:42:21.745>there.

995
00:42:22.625 --> 00:42:23.645
<00:42:22.625>But <00:42:22.931>don't <00:42:23.237>do <00:42:23.543>that.

996
00:42:23.755 --> 00:42:26.605
<00:42:23.755>Just <00:42:23.955>make, <00:42:24.155>uh, <00:42:24.355>uh, <00:42:24.555>think <00:42:24.755>about <00:42:24.955>the <00:42:25.155>children

997
00:42:26.865 --> 00:42:29.765
<00:42:26.865>or <00:42:27.020>whatever, <00:42:27.176>make <00:42:27.331>sure <00:42:27.487>that <00:42:27.642>they're <00:42:27.798>actually <00:42:27.953>not <00:42:28.109>doing <00:42:28.265>this.

998
00:42:30.985 --> 00:42:34.005
<00:42:30.985>Now, <00:42:31.140>I, <00:42:31.296>I <00:42:31.451>wrote <00:42:31.607>this, <00:42:31.762>uh, <00:42:31.918>uh, <00:42:32.073>lovely <00:42:32.229>words <00:42:32.385>thing

999
00:42:34.005 --> 00:42:36.565
<00:42:34.005>that <00:42:34.145>was <00:42:34.285>also <00:42:34.425>in <00:42:34.565>the <00:42:34.705>background <00:42:34.845>that <00:42:34.985>actually <00:42:35.125>is <00:42:35.265>just <00:42:35.405>about,

1000
00:42:36.785 --> 00:42:40.205
<00:42:36.785>uh, <00:42:36.984>showing <00:42:37.185>you <00:42:37.384>wonderful <00:42:37.585>English <00:42:37.785>words, <00:42:37.984>uh, <00:42:38.185>one

1001
00:42:40.205 --> 00:42:41.845
<00:42:40.205>after <00:42:40.380>the <00:42:40.555>other <00:42:40.730>if <00:42:40.904>you <00:42:41.080>just <00:42:41.255>click <00:42:41.430>on <00:42:41.605>things.

1002
00:42:42.025 --> 00:42:43.025
<00:42:42.025>Wow, <00:42:42.925>cool.

1003
00:42:44.235 --> 00:42:45.645
<00:42:44.235>That <00:42:44.446>one <00:42:44.658>I <00:42:44.869>Had <00:42:45.081>to <00:42:45.292>see. <00:42:45.504>Incredible.

1004
00:42:46.005 --> 00:42:49.565
<00:42:46.005>I <00:42:46.145>I <00:42:46.285>played <00:42:46.425>a <00:42:46.565>lot <00:42:46.705>with <00:42:46.845>that. <00:42:46.985>It's <00:42:47.125>absolutely <00:42:47.265>lovely, <00:42:47.405>Chris.

1005
00:42:49.805 --> 00:42:51.765
<00:42:49.805>I, <00:42:49.980>I <00:42:50.154>saw <00:42:50.330>this <00:42:50.504>and <00:42:50.680>immediately <00:42:50.855>fell <00:42:51.029>in <00:42:51.205>love.

1006
00:42:51.915 --> 00:42:53.365
<00:42:51.915>It's <00:42:52.241>such <00:42:52.567>a <00:42:52.893>beautiful <00:42:53.220>thing.

1007
00:42:54.605 --> 00:42:57.045
<00:42:54.605>I <00:42:54.732>think <00:42:54.859>that <00:42:54.986>there's <00:42:55.114>a <00:42:55.241>few <00:42:55.368>things <00:42:55.495>in <00:42:55.623>there <00:42:55.750>that <00:42:55.877>I've <00:42:56.005>done

1008
00:42:57.075 --> 00:42:58.805
<00:42:57.075>that <00:42:57.308>I, <00:42:57.541>that <00:42:57.774>I'm <00:42:58.008>very <00:42:58.241>proud <00:42:58.475>of,

1009
00:42:59.305 --> 00:43:01.165
<00:42:59.305>and <00:42:59.585>especially <00:42:59.865>one <00:43:00.145>thing <00:43:00.424>that, <00:43:00.705>uh,

1010
00:43:01.285 --> 00:43:03.525
<00:43:01.285>I <00:43:01.565>keep <00:43:01.845>people <00:43:02.125>see, <00:43:02.404>uh, <00:43:02.685>people.

1011
00:43:04.045 --> 00:43:06.605
<00:43:04.045>I <00:43:04.185>think <00:43:04.325>I <00:43:04.465>have <00:43:04.605>the <00:43:04.745>source <00:43:04.885>code <00:43:05.025>somewhere. <00:43:05.165>Yeah, <00:43:05.305>that's <00:43:05.445>it.

1012
00:43:07.225 --> 00:43:11.885
<00:43:07.225>Um, <00:43:07.424>one <00:43:07.625>thing <00:43:07.825>that <00:43:08.025>people <00:43:08.225>keep <00:43:08.424>forgetting <00:43:08.625>is,

1013
00:43:12.225 --> 00:43:17.065
<00:43:12.225>uh, <00:43:12.424>that <00:43:12.625>DT <00:43:12.825>exists, <00:43:13.025>like <00:43:13.225>definition <00:43:13.424>lists <00:43:13.625>with,

1014
00:43:17.205 --> 00:43:18.625
<00:43:17.205>uh, <00:43:18.483>whoa.

1015
00:43:19.075 --> 00:43:21.625
<00:43:19.075>Definition <00:43:19.308>term <00:43:19.541>Definition <00:43:19.774>list <00:43:20.008>with <00:43:20.241>definition, <00:43:20.475>term

1016
00:43:21.805 --> 00:43:22.825
<00:43:21.805>and <00:43:22.723>definition.

1017
00:43:23.165 --> 00:43:25.105
<00:43:23.165>Uh, <00:43:23.865>dis <00:43:24.565>description.

1018
00:43:25.855 --> 00:43:27.065
<00:43:25.855>Yeah. <00:43:26.944>Yeah.

1019
00:43:27.405 --> 00:43:30.185
<00:43:27.405>So <00:43:27.580>that's <00:43:27.755>basically <00:43:27.930>rendering, <00:43:28.105>this <00:43:28.280>is <00:43:28.455>what <00:43:28.630>you <00:43:28.805>do

1020
00:43:30.185 --> 00:43:32.185
<00:43:30.185>to <00:43:30.360>have <00:43:30.535>a <00:43:30.710>word <00:43:30.884>and <00:43:31.060>a <00:43:31.235>description <00:43:31.410>of <00:43:31.585>it.

1021
00:43:32.845 --> 00:43:36.425
<00:43:32.845>And <00:43:32.961>it <00:43:33.078>is <00:43:33.194>one <00:43:33.311>of <00:43:33.428>those <00:43:33.544>HTML <00:43:33.661>things <00:43:33.778>that <00:43:33.895>kind <00:43:34.011>of <00:43:34.128>threw <00:43:34.245>me

1022
00:43:36.735 --> 00:43:39.265
<00:43:36.735>because, <00:43:36.968>uh, <00:43:37.201>uh, <00:43:37.435>the <00:43:37.668>structure <00:43:37.901>of <00:43:38.135>it,

1023
00:43:39.735 --> 00:43:41.865
<00:43:39.735>like <00:43:39.968>a <00:43:40.201>UL <00:43:40.435>has <00:43:40.668>allies <00:43:40.901>in <00:43:41.135>it,

1024
00:43:42.565 --> 00:43:46.145
<00:43:42.565>and <00:43:42.740>then <00:43:42.915>everything <00:43:43.090>else <00:43:43.265>becomes <00:43:43.440>a <00:43:43.615>child <00:43:43.790>of <00:43:43.965>DLIA.

1025
00:43:46.325 --> 00:43:48.745
<00:43:46.325>DL <00:43:46.464>has <00:43:46.605>a <00:43:46.745>DT <00:43:46.884>and <00:43:47.024>a <00:43:47.165>DD <00:43:47.305>on <00:43:47.444>the <00:43:47.585>same <00:43:47.725>level.

1026
00:43:50.635 --> 00:43:53.175
<00:43:50.635>And <00:43:50.790>what <00:43:50.946>happens <00:43:51.101>if <00:43:51.257>you <00:43:51.412>HTML <00:43:51.568>element <00:43:51.723>that <00:43:51.879>does <00:43:52.035>that?

1027
00:43:54.045 --> 00:43:55.735
<00:43:54.045>What <00:43:54.325>happens <00:43:54.605>if <00:43:54.885>you <00:43:55.165>remove <00:43:55.445>that?

1028
00:43:55.795 --> 00:43:57.695
<00:43:55.795>You <00:43:55.935>know, <00:43:56.075>as <00:43:56.215>in, <00:43:56.355>because <00:43:56.495>that's <00:43:56.635>a <00:43:56.775>strange <00:43:56.915>one, <00:43:57.055>isn't <00:43:57.195>it?

1029
00:43:57.695 --> 00:43:59.215
<00:43:57.695>It's <00:43:57.923>just <00:43:58.151>like <00:43:58.379>as, <00:43:58.607>as <00:43:58.835>as <00:43:59.063>siblings.

1030
00:43:59.835 --> 00:44:02.735
<00:43:59.835>Um, <00:43:59.975>if <00:44:00.115>you <00:44:00.255>were <00:44:00.395>to <00:44:00.535>remove <00:44:00.675>the <00:44:00.815>It <00:44:00.955>is <00:44:01.095>fine <00:44:01.235>still.

1031
00:44:02.735 --> 00:44:03.655
<00:44:02.735>Yeah, <00:44:02.900>you <00:44:03.066>can, <00:44:03.231>you <00:44:03.397>don't, <00:44:03.563>you

1032
00:44:03.655 --> 00:44:04.655
<00:44:03.655>don't <00:44:03.835>have <00:44:04.015>to <00:44:04.195>go <00:44:04.375>together, <00:44:04.555>right?

1033
00:44:04.675 --> 00:44:05.855
<00:44:04.675>Is <00:44:04.807>what <00:44:04.940>I'm <00:44:05.073>trying <00:44:05.206>to <00:44:05.338>get <00:44:05.471>at. <00:44:05.604>You <00:44:05.737>can,

1034
00:44:06.485 --> 00:44:07.485
<00:44:06.485>Yeah. <00:44:06.635>Why <00:44:06.785>you <00:44:06.935>find <00:44:07.085>the <00:44:07.235>other, <00:44:07.385>literally.

1036
00:44:08.075 --> 00:44:10.175
<00:44:08.075>So <00:44:08.214>I, <00:44:08.355>I'm <00:44:08.495>not <00:44:08.634>sure, <00:44:08.774>like, <00:44:08.915>Chris, <00:44:09.055>were <00:44:09.194>you <00:44:09.335>part <00:44:09.475>of

1037
00:44:10.175 --> 00:44:11.655
<00:44:10.175>that <00:44:10.619>discussion <00:44:11.063>back, <00:44:11.507>uh,

1038
00:44:11.675 --> 00:44:15.095
<00:44:11.675>at <00:44:11.815>Yahoo <00:44:11.955>a <00:44:12.095>hundred <00:44:12.235>years <00:44:12.375>ago <00:44:12.515>when <00:44:12.655>we <00:44:12.795>thought <00:44:12.935>about <00:44:13.075>changing

1039
00:44:15.195 --> 00:44:17.655
<00:44:15.195>the <00:44:15.475>FAQ <00:44:15.755>to, <00:44:16.035>to <00:44:16.315>this <00:44:16.595>markup,

1040
00:44:17.655 --> 00:44:20.775
<00:44:17.655>and <00:44:17.810>there <00:44:17.966>was <00:44:18.121>like, <00:44:18.277>Dan, <00:44:18.432>for <00:44:18.588>you <00:44:18.743>to <00:44:18.899>give <00:44:19.055>context,

1041
00:44:20.825 --> 00:44:23.375
<00:44:20.825>there <00:44:21.000>was <00:44:21.174>like <00:44:21.350>a <00:44:21.524>team <00:44:21.700>of <00:44:21.875>like <00:44:22.049>70, <00:44:22.225>uh,

1042
00:44:23.435 --> 00:44:26.655
<00:44:23.435>or <00:44:23.610>so <00:44:23.785>web <00:44:23.960>devs <00:44:24.134>all <00:44:24.310>with <00:44:24.485>the <00:44:24.660>extreme <00:44:24.835>passion

1043
00:44:26.795 --> 00:44:27.975
<00:44:26.795>for <00:44:27.149>like <00:44:27.503>web <00:44:27.857>standards

1044
00:44:27.975 --> 00:44:30.615
<00:44:27.975>and <00:44:28.150>accessibility, <00:44:28.325>like <00:44:28.500>they <00:44:28.674>all <00:44:28.850>at <00:44:29.025>peak <00:44:29.200>their <00:44:29.375>game.

1045
00:44:30.755 --> 00:44:34.485
<00:44:30.755>And <00:44:30.895>there <00:44:31.035>was, <00:44:31.175>imagine <00:44:31.315>a <00:44:31.455>room <00:44:31.595>of <00:44:31.735>those <00:44:31.875>70 <00:44:32.015>discussing <00:44:32.155>back

1046
00:44:34.485 --> 00:44:39.005
<00:44:34.485>and <00:44:34.592>forth <00:44:34.700>on <00:44:34.808>why <00:44:34.915>and <00:44:35.023>why <00:44:35.131>not <00:44:35.238>to <00:44:35.346>this <00:44:35.454>day, <00:44:35.561>one <00:44:35.669>of <00:44:35.777>the <00:44:35.885>best

1047
00:44:39.925 --> 00:44:43.045
<00:44:39.925>conversations <00:44:40.100>ever, <00:44:40.275>and <00:44:40.450>this <00:44:40.625>is <00:44:40.800>probably <00:44:40.975>the <00:44:41.150>second <00:44:41.325>time

1048
00:44:43.045 --> 00:44:45.525
<00:44:43.045>that <00:44:43.172>I <00:44:43.299>see <00:44:43.426>it <00:44:43.554>in <00:44:43.681>use <00:44:43.808>since, <00:44:43.935>and <00:44:44.063>it's <00:44:44.190>the <00:44:44.317>right <00:44:44.445>one.

1049
00:44:47.035 --> 00:44:49.335
<00:44:47.035>Uh, <00:44:47.190>the <00:44:47.346>first <00:44:47.501>time <00:44:47.657>I <00:44:47.812>saw <00:44:47.968>it <00:44:48.123>was <00:44:48.279>the <00:44:48.435>bookmarks

1050
00:44:50.045 --> 00:44:51.375
<00:44:50.045>HTML <00:44:50.444>file <00:44:50.843>from <00:44:51.242>Netscape.

1051
00:44:52.045 --> 00:44:54.295
<00:44:52.045>Nice. <00:44:52.325>That <00:44:52.605>one <00:44:52.885>Actually <00:44:53.165>generated <00:44:53.445>dl

1052
00:44:54.395 --> 00:44:56.335
<00:44:54.395>and <00:44:54.595>that <00:44:54.795>was <00:44:54.995>where <00:44:55.195>I <00:44:55.395>learned <00:44:55.595>about <00:44:55.795>it.

1053
00:44:56.355 --> 00:44:57.495
<00:44:56.355>And <00:44:56.560>that <00:44:56.765>was <00:44:56.970>still <00:44:57.175>an <00:44:57.381>uppercase,

1054
00:44:57.895 --> 00:44:59.015
<00:44:57.895>I, <00:44:58.096>I <00:44:58.298>looked <00:44:58.499>it <00:44:58.701>up <00:44:58.903>yesterday.

1055
00:44:59.015 --> 00:45:01.575
<00:44:59.015>There's <00:44:59.154>also <00:44:59.295>the <00:44:59.435>thing <00:44:59.575>that <00:44:59.714>you <00:44:59.855>can <00:44:59.995>have <00:45:00.134>several <00:45:00.275>terms, <00:45:00.415>uh,

1056
00:45:01.575 --> 00:45:02.855
<00:45:01.575>that <00:45:01.805>all <00:45:02.035>have <00:45:02.266>the <00:45:02.496>same <00:45:02.727>meaning

1057
00:45:02.915 --> 00:45:06.095
<00:45:02.915>or <00:45:03.070>several, <00:45:03.226>uh, <00:45:03.381>several, <00:45:03.537>uh, <00:45:03.692>descriptions <00:45:03.848>of <00:45:04.003>the <00:45:04.159>same <00:45:04.315>term.

1058
00:45:06.635 --> 00:45:08.375
<00:45:06.635>So <00:45:06.868>you <00:45:07.101>can <00:45:07.335>repeat <00:45:07.568>those <00:45:07.801>as <00:45:08.035>well.

1059
00:45:09.755 --> 00:45:12.015
<00:45:09.755>So <00:45:09.955>you <00:45:10.155>can <00:45:10.355>have <00:45:10.555>like <00:45:10.755>D <00:45:10.955>two <00:45:11.155>dts

1060
00:45:12.015 --> 00:45:15.095
<00:45:12.015>and <00:45:12.154>three <00:45:12.295>dts <00:45:12.435>depending <00:45:12.575>on <00:45:12.714>what, <00:45:12.855>what <00:45:12.995>you <00:45:13.134>want <00:45:13.275>to <00:45:13.415>do.

1061
00:45:15.195 --> 00:45:17.535
<00:45:15.195>So <00:45:15.370>it's <00:45:15.545>a, <00:45:15.720>it's <00:45:15.895>more <00:45:16.070>of <00:45:16.245>those <00:45:16.420>forgotten <00:45:16.595>things.

1062
00:45:17.635 --> 00:45:20.855
<00:45:17.635>And, <00:45:17.762>uh, <00:45:17.889>I'm <00:45:18.016>also <00:45:18.144>very, <00:45:18.271>very <00:45:18.398>proud <00:45:18.525>of <00:45:18.653>myself <00:45:18.780>for <00:45:18.907>the <00:45:19.035>name

1063
00:45:20.855 --> 00:45:21.975
<00:45:20.855>of <00:45:21.191>the <00:45:21.527>CSS <00:45:21.863>file.

1064
00:45:24.035 --> 00:45:25.775
<00:45:24.035>Oh <00:45:24.234>God. <00:45:24.435>Oh <00:45:24.634>God. <00:45:24.835>What <00:45:25.035>did <00:45:25.234>you <00:45:25.435>do?

1065
00:45:29.195 --> 00:45:30.335
<00:45:29.195>Uh, <00:45:29.537>there's <00:45:29.879>Easter <00:45:30.221>eggs

1066
00:45:30.335 --> 00:45:31.575
<00:45:30.335>everywhere <00:45:30.614>in <00:45:30.893>your <00:45:31.172>projects, <00:45:31.451>Chris.

1067
00:45:32.405 --> 00:45:33.855
<00:45:32.405>Yeah, <00:45:32.622>we <00:45:32.840>gotta, <00:45:33.057>we <00:45:33.275>gotta <00:45:33.492>have <00:45:33.710>those.

1068
00:45:34.015 --> 00:45:35.895
<00:45:34.015>I <00:45:34.248>mean, <00:45:34.481>there's <00:45:34.714>next <00:45:34.948>react <00:45:35.181>new <00:45:35.415>angular,

1069
00:45:35.915 --> 00:45:38.615
<00:45:35.915>do <00:45:36.090>J <00:45:36.265>HT <00:45:36.440>MX <00:45:36.615>js <00:45:36.790>is <00:45:36.965>the <00:45:37.140>JavaScript <00:45:37.315>file.

1070
00:45:39.115 --> 00:45:41.295
<00:45:39.115>So <00:45:39.290>I <00:45:39.464>think <00:45:39.640>that <00:45:39.814>makes, <00:45:39.990>uh, <00:45:40.165>that <00:45:40.339>makes <00:45:40.515>sense.

1071
00:45:41.355 --> 00:45:42.415
<00:45:41.355>So <00:45:41.593>I <00:45:41.832>ended <00:45:42.070>up, <00:45:42.309>uh,

1072
00:45:42.415 --> 00:45:45.935
<00:45:42.415>I <00:45:42.555>ended <00:45:42.695>up <00:45:42.835>actually <00:45:42.975>taking <00:45:43.115>the <00:45:43.255>words <00:45:43.395>into <00:45:43.535>a <00:45:43.675>markdown <00:45:43.815>file

1073
00:45:46.555 --> 00:45:49.375
<00:45:46.555>and <00:45:46.754>then <00:45:46.955>generate <00:45:47.154>them <00:45:47.355>all <00:45:47.555>with, <00:45:47.754>with <00:45:47.955>PHP.

1074
00:45:49.615 --> 00:45:52.495
<00:45:49.615>'cause <00:45:49.742>I <00:45:49.869>realized <00:45:49.996>in <00:45:50.124>H <00:45:50.251>TM <00:45:50.378>L <00:45:50.505>itself, <00:45:50.633>we <00:45:50.760>had <00:45:50.887>a <00:45:51.015>request

1075
00:45:52.495 --> 00:45:54.135
<00:45:52.495>and <00:45:52.694>people <00:45:52.895>didn't <00:45:53.095>know <00:45:53.295>how <00:45:53.495>to <00:45:53.694>do <00:45:53.895>it.

1076
00:45:54.135 --> 00:45:56.175
<00:45:54.135>So <00:45:54.290>this <00:45:54.446>is <00:45:54.601>now <00:45:54.757>basically <00:45:54.912>the <00:45:55.068>way <00:45:55.223>to <00:45:55.379>do <00:45:55.535>it.

1077
00:45:56.175 --> 00:45:58.495
<00:45:56.175>And <00:45:56.330>this <00:45:56.486>is <00:45:56.641>also <00:45:56.797>meaning <00:45:56.952>that <00:45:57.108>screen, <00:45:57.263>uh, <00:45:57.419>that, <00:45:57.575>uh,

1078
00:45:58.995 --> 00:46:00.655
<00:45:58.995>LMS <00:45:59.150>will <00:45:59.306>come <00:45:59.461>by <00:45:59.617>and <00:45:59.772>I <00:45:59.928>will <00:46:00.083>make <00:46:00.239>a <00:46:00.395>million

1079
00:46:00.715 --> 00:46:01.895
<00:46:00.715>pounds <00:46:01.069>with <00:46:01.423>that <00:46:01.777>thing

1080
00:46:02.875 --> 00:46:04.015
<00:46:02.875>At <00:46:03.217>least. <00:46:03.558>But <00:46:03.901>it's

1081
00:46:04.135 --> 00:46:05.495
<00:46:04.135>Just <00:46:04.441>do <00:46:04.747>something <00:46:05.053>like <00:46:05.359>that.

1082
00:46:05.525 --> 00:46:06.575
<00:46:05.525>Just <00:46:05.761>have <00:46:05.997>fun <00:46:06.233>with <00:46:06.470>it.

1083
00:46:07.075 --> 00:46:08.935
<00:46:07.075>And <00:46:07.274>then <00:46:07.475>the <00:46:07.674>fun <00:46:07.875>thing <00:46:08.075>was <00:46:08.274>that, <00:46:08.475>uh,

1084
00:46:09.215 --> 00:46:12.895
<00:46:09.215>I <00:46:09.355>asked <00:46:09.495>a <00:46:09.635>white <00:46:09.775>code <00:46:09.915>editor <00:46:10.055>to <00:46:10.195>do <00:46:10.335>the <00:46:10.475>same <00:46:10.615>thing.

1085
00:46:12.915 --> 00:46:14.695
<00:46:12.915>So <00:46:13.148>I <00:46:13.381>gave <00:46:13.615>it <00:46:13.848>the <00:46:14.081>markdown <00:46:14.315>file

1086
00:46:14.755 --> 00:46:17.095
<00:46:14.755>and <00:46:14.930>said <00:46:15.105>like, <00:46:15.280>make <00:46:15.455>an <00:46:15.630>app <00:46:15.805>that <00:46:15.980>actually <00:46:16.155>looks,

1087
00:46:17.225 --> 00:46:20.495
<00:46:17.225>looks <00:46:17.380>modern, <00:46:17.536>that, <00:46:17.691>uh, <00:46:17.847>shows <00:46:18.002>one <00:46:18.158>word <00:46:18.313>at <00:46:18.469>a <00:46:18.625>time

1088
00:46:20.875 --> 00:46:21.975
<00:46:20.875>and <00:46:21.205>it <00:46:21.535>doesn't <00:46:21.865>work.

1089
00:46:22.355 --> 00:46:24.415
<00:46:22.355>And <00:46:22.588>basically <00:46:22.821>the <00:46:23.055>functionality <00:46:23.288>is <00:46:23.521>not <00:46:23.755>there,

1090
00:46:24.435 --> 00:46:27.175
<00:46:24.435>so <00:46:24.590>it <00:46:24.746>doesn't <00:46:24.901>show <00:46:25.057>the <00:46:25.212>words, <00:46:25.368>but <00:46:25.523>it <00:46:25.679>generated <00:46:25.835>tons

1091
00:46:27.195 --> 00:46:28.415
<00:46:27.195>and <00:46:27.561>tons <00:46:27.927>of <00:46:28.293>JavaScript.

1092
00:46:28.635 --> 00:46:30.375
<00:46:28.635>And <00:46:29.101>this <00:46:29.568>is <00:46:30.035>actually

1093
00:46:30.375 --> 00:46:32.415
<00:46:30.375>what <00:46:30.550>it <00:46:30.725>thought <00:46:30.900>a <00:46:31.075>modern <00:46:31.250>website <00:46:31.425>would <00:46:31.600>look <00:46:31.775>like.

1094
00:46:32.635 --> 00:46:34.975
<00:46:32.635>And <00:46:32.810>I <00:46:32.985>have <00:46:33.160>no <00:46:33.335>idea <00:46:33.510>what's <00:46:33.685>going <00:46:33.860>on <00:46:34.035>there.

1095
00:46:35.395 --> 00:46:36.655
<00:46:35.395>And <00:46:35.584>then <00:46:35.773>you <00:46:35.962>talk <00:46:36.151>the <00:46:36.340>same <00:46:36.529>thing.

1096
00:46:36.655 --> 00:46:39.615
<00:46:36.655>Like, <00:46:36.795>it <00:46:36.935>feels <00:46:37.075>like <00:46:37.215>we, <00:46:37.355>we, <00:46:37.495>we <00:46:37.635>see <00:46:37.775>these <00:46:37.915>great <00:46:38.055>videos

1097
00:46:39.715 --> 00:46:42.975
<00:46:39.715>of <00:46:39.855>people <00:46:39.995>using <00:46:40.135>vibe <00:46:40.275>coding <00:46:40.415>and <00:46:40.555>like <00:46:40.695>talking <00:46:40.835>to <00:46:40.975>the <00:46:41.115>editors

1098
00:46:42.975 --> 00:46:44.335
<00:46:42.975>and <00:46:43.219>building <00:46:43.464>like <00:46:43.709>a <00:46:43.954>million <00:46:44.199>dollar

1099
00:46:44.335 --> 00:46:45.455
<00:46:44.335>game <00:46:44.587>in <00:46:44.839>like <00:46:45.091>three <00:46:45.343>minutes.

1100
00:46:45.755 --> 00:46:48.095
<00:46:45.755>But <00:46:45.882>when <00:46:46.009>we <00:46:46.136>do <00:46:46.264>that <00:46:46.391>garbage, <00:46:46.518>like <00:46:46.645>that <00:46:46.773>comes <00:46:46.900>out <00:46:47.027>of <00:46:47.155>it.

1101
00:46:49.055 --> 00:46:50.145
<00:46:49.055>Yeah. <00:46:49.218>I <00:46:49.382>don't, <00:46:49.545>I <00:46:49.709>don't <00:46:49.872>believe <00:46:50.036>that.

1102
00:46:50.585 --> 00:46:52.265
<00:46:50.585>I <00:46:50.725>don't <00:46:50.865>believe <00:46:51.005>when <00:46:51.145>people <00:46:51.285>say <00:46:51.425>they <00:46:51.565>can <00:46:51.705>do <00:46:51.845>those <00:46:51.985>things,

1103
00:46:52.265 --> 00:46:54.625
<00:46:52.265>because <00:46:52.440>I <00:46:52.615>think <00:46:52.790>I, <00:46:52.964>my, <00:46:53.140>my <00:46:53.315>own <00:46:53.490>experience <00:46:53.665>is,

1104
00:46:54.625 --> 00:46:56.185
<00:46:54.625>it <00:46:54.800>mostly <00:46:54.975>does <00:46:55.150>give <00:46:55.325>me <00:46:55.500>things <00:46:55.675>like <00:46:55.850>that <00:46:56.025>Chris

1105
00:46:56.185 --> 00:46:58.465
<00:46:56.185>and <00:46:56.340>I, <00:46:56.496>I'm <00:46:56.651>sure <00:46:56.807>somebody's <00:46:56.962>there <00:46:57.118>going, <00:46:57.273>it's <00:46:57.429>your <00:46:57.585>prompt.

1106
00:46:58.465 --> 00:47:00.825
<00:46:58.465>That's <00:46:58.620>not <00:46:58.776>good <00:46:58.931>enough. <00:46:59.087>But <00:46:59.242>no, <00:46:59.398>I <00:46:59.553>think <00:46:59.709>that <00:46:59.865>it's,

1107
00:47:00.925 --> 00:47:02.785
<00:47:00.925>AI <00:47:01.080>is <00:47:01.236>like, <00:47:01.391>it's, <00:47:01.547>it's <00:47:01.702>what <00:47:01.858>we <00:47:02.013>said, <00:47:02.169>you <00:47:02.325>know?

1108
00:47:02.805 --> 00:47:05.225
<00:47:02.805>Um, <00:47:02.960>it's <00:47:03.116>like <00:47:03.271>it's <00:47:03.427>pretending <00:47:03.582>to <00:47:03.738>be <00:47:03.893>a <00:47:04.049>human <00:47:04.205>right,

1109
00:47:05.225 --> 00:47:06.385
<00:47:05.225>and <00:47:05.433>it's <00:47:05.642>just <00:47:05.851>doing <00:47:06.060>its <00:47:06.269>best

1110
00:47:06.445 --> 00:47:08.385
<00:47:06.445>and <00:47:06.600>it <00:47:06.756>doesn't <00:47:06.911>really <00:47:07.067>know <00:47:07.222>what <00:47:07.378>a <00:47:07.533>human <00:47:07.689>would <00:47:07.845>do.

1111
00:47:08.535 --> 00:47:09.705
<00:47:08.535>It's <00:47:08.798>just <00:47:09.061>trying <00:47:09.324>its <00:47:09.587>best.

1112
00:47:10.005 --> 00:47:12.105
<00:47:10.005>And <00:47:10.132>what <00:47:10.259>we <00:47:10.386>end <00:47:10.514>up <00:47:10.641>with <00:47:10.768>is <00:47:10.895>something <00:47:11.023>that <00:47:11.150>humans <00:47:11.277>look <00:47:11.405>at

1113
00:47:12.105 --> 00:47:13.505
<00:47:12.105>and <00:47:12.315>go, <00:47:12.525>well, <00:47:12.735>that's <00:47:12.945>not <00:47:13.155>very <00:47:13.365>good,

1114
00:47:13.525 --> 00:47:14.985
<00:47:13.525>or <00:47:13.689>That's <00:47:13.853>weird, <00:47:14.017>or, <00:47:14.182>why <00:47:14.346>have <00:47:14.510>you <00:47:14.674>done <00:47:14.839>that?

1115
00:47:15.445 --> 00:47:17.785
<00:47:15.445>Um, <00:47:15.585>so <00:47:15.725>I, <00:47:15.865>yeah, <00:47:16.005>I <00:47:16.145>dunno <00:47:16.285>how <00:47:16.425>it's <00:47:16.565>like <00:47:16.705>that, <00:47:16.845>that,

1116
00:47:17.785 --> 00:47:20.145
<00:47:17.785>that <00:47:17.940>uncanny <00:47:18.096>valley, <00:47:18.251>it's <00:47:18.407>like, <00:47:18.562>how <00:47:18.718>do <00:47:18.873>we <00:47:19.029>ever <00:47:19.185>break

1117
00:47:20.145 --> 00:47:22.145
<00:47:20.145>that <00:47:20.378>point <00:47:20.611>where <00:47:20.845>it <00:47:21.078>can <00:47:21.311>really <00:47:21.545>pass?

1118
00:47:22.145 --> 00:47:25.065
<00:47:22.145>Because <00:47:22.345>I <00:47:22.545>mean, <00:47:22.745>comic <00:47:22.945>sounds <00:47:23.145>I <00:47:23.345>know <00:47:23.545>accessibility.

1119
00:47:25.335 --> 00:47:27.665
<00:47:25.335>I'll <00:47:25.510>leave <00:47:25.685>that <00:47:25.860>conversation, <00:47:26.035>but <00:47:26.210>that's, <00:47:26.385>that's <00:47:26.560>an <00:47:26.735>insult.

1120
00:47:29.385 --> 00:47:30.525
<00:47:29.385>Uh, <00:47:29.898>yes. <00:47:30.411>Yeah.

1121
00:47:31.365 --> 00:47:33.325
<00:47:31.365>I <00:47:31.520>mean, <00:47:31.676>the <00:47:31.831>contrast <00:47:31.987>of <00:47:32.142>the <00:47:32.298>button <00:47:32.453>is <00:47:32.609>another <00:47:32.765>bit.

1122
00:47:33.565 --> 00:47:34.805
<00:47:33.565>I <00:47:33.844>think <00:47:34.123>that's <00:47:34.402>interesting <00:47:34.681>there.

1123
00:47:34.805 --> 00:47:38.915
<00:47:34.805>And <00:47:34.944>word <00:47:35.085>zero <00:47:35.225>of <00:47:35.365>zero, <00:47:35.504>if <00:47:35.645>you <00:47:35.785>write <00:47:35.924>a <00:47:36.065>functionality <00:47:36.205>like

1124
00:47:38.915 --> 00:47:41.915
<00:47:38.915>that, <00:47:39.115>like, <00:47:39.315>just, <00:47:39.515>just <00:47:39.715>set <00:47:39.915>limits, <00:47:40.115>you <00:47:40.315>know?

1125
00:47:41.915 --> 00:47:43.795
<00:47:41.915>Like <00:47:42.042>if <00:47:42.169>you <00:47:42.296>say <00:47:42.424>like, <00:47:42.551>if <00:47:42.678>the, <00:47:42.805>if <00:47:42.933>the <00:47:43.060>count <00:47:43.187>is <00:47:43.315>zero,

1126
00:47:43.795 --> 00:47:45.515
<00:47:43.795>then <00:47:44.075>probably <00:47:44.355>don't <00:47:44.635>show <00:47:44.915>the <00:47:45.195>label.

1127
00:47:46.065 --> 00:47:47.995
<00:47:46.065>Like, <00:47:46.415>throw <00:47:46.765>an <00:47:47.115>error <00:47:47.465>instead.

1128
00:47:48.185 --> 00:47:51.475
<00:47:48.185>Like, <00:47:48.360>you <00:47:48.535>know, <00:47:48.710>it's <00:47:48.884>a <00:47:49.060>fascinating <00:47:49.235>bit <00:47:49.410>to <00:47:49.585>see.

1129
00:47:51.655 --> 00:47:56.355
<00:47:51.655>Uh, <00:47:51.810>now, <00:47:51.966>uh, <00:47:52.121>other <00:47:52.277>technology <00:47:52.432>stuff, <00:47:52.588>CSS <00:47:52.743>mix-ins <00:47:52.899>are <00:47:53.055>coming,

1130
00:47:56.575 --> 00:47:58.115
<00:47:56.575>and <00:47:56.852>I'm <00:47:57.129>super <00:47:57.406>excited <00:47:57.683>about <00:47:57.961>that.

1131
00:47:59.775 --> 00:48:02.755
<00:47:59.775>Yes. <00:47:59.915>I <00:48:00.055>mean, <00:48:00.195>this, <00:48:00.335>this <00:48:00.475>is, <00:48:00.615>uh, <00:48:00.755>SaaS <00:48:00.895>all <00:48:01.035>over <00:48:01.175>again.

1132
00:48:02.865 --> 00:48:06.835
<00:48:02.865>It's <00:48:03.145>coming <00:48:03.424>back. <00:48:03.705>Uh, <00:48:03.984>I, <00:48:04.265>I,

1133
00:48:06.835 --> 00:48:08.315
<00:48:06.835>I <00:48:07.057>saw <00:48:07.279>the <00:48:07.501>article <00:48:07.723>ahead <00:48:07.945>of <00:48:08.167>time

1134
00:48:08.455 --> 00:48:09.635
<00:48:08.455>and <00:48:08.667>I <00:48:08.879>was <00:48:09.092>like, <00:48:09.304>yeah, <00:48:09.517>this,

1135
00:48:09.635 --> 00:48:11.395
<00:48:09.635>this <00:48:09.915>all <00:48:10.195>feels <00:48:10.475>very <00:48:10.755>familiar, <00:48:11.035>right?

1136
00:48:11.395 --> 00:48:14.515
<00:48:11.395>Because <00:48:11.535>this <00:48:11.675>is <00:48:11.815>all <00:48:11.955>like <00:48:12.095>things <00:48:12.235>that <00:48:12.375>CS <00:48:12.515>s <00:48:12.655>is <00:48:12.795>now

1137
00:48:15.055 --> 00:48:17.875
<00:48:15.055>taking <00:48:15.254>back <00:48:15.455>from <00:48:15.654>when, <00:48:15.855>when <00:48:16.055>Sus <00:48:16.254>was <00:48:16.455>big.

1138
00:48:18.535 --> 00:48:20.475
<00:48:18.535>Uh, <00:48:18.884>it's <00:48:19.234>useful. <00:48:19.585>It's <00:48:19.935>nice.

1139
00:48:20.695 --> 00:48:22.595
<00:48:20.695>I'm <00:48:20.928>happy <00:48:21.161>it <00:48:21.395>comes, <00:48:21.628>uh, <00:48:21.861>again, <00:48:22.095>we,

1140
00:48:22.595 --> 00:48:24.595
<00:48:22.595>we <00:48:22.794>had <00:48:22.995>this <00:48:23.194>like, <00:48:23.395>how <00:48:23.595>long <00:48:23.794>is <00:48:23.995>ago?

1141
00:48:24.815 --> 00:48:27.355
<00:48:24.815>10, <00:48:25.095>15 <00:48:25.375>years <00:48:25.655>ago. <00:48:25.935>Uh, <00:48:26.215>but

1142
00:48:27.355 --> 00:48:30.635
<00:48:27.355>Now <00:48:27.495>we <00:48:27.635>been <00:48:27.775>a <00:48:27.915>non, <00:48:28.055>it's <00:48:28.195>same <00:48:28.335>with <00:48:28.475>like <00:48:28.615>CSS <00:48:28.755>variables

1143
00:48:30.635 --> 00:48:34.915
<00:48:30.635>or <00:48:30.915>css <00:48:31.195>custom, <00:48:31.475>like <00:48:31.755>SaaS <00:48:32.035>variables.

1144
00:48:34.915 --> 00:48:37.835
<00:48:34.915>Were <00:48:35.070>supposed <00:48:35.226>to <00:48:35.381>be <00:48:35.537>the, <00:48:35.692>the <00:48:35.848>people <00:48:36.003>saying <00:48:36.159>let <00:48:36.315>variables,

1145
00:48:37.865 --> 00:48:40.235
<00:48:37.865>it's <00:48:38.064>not <00:48:38.265>because <00:48:38.464>in <00:48:38.665>SaaS <00:48:38.865>you <00:48:39.064>generate <00:48:39.265>them

1146
00:48:40.295 --> 00:48:42.115
<00:48:40.295>and <00:48:40.575>then <00:48:40.855>you <00:48:41.135>have <00:48:41.415>static <00:48:41.695>css.

1147
00:48:42.335 --> 00:48:44.275
<00:48:42.335>That's <00:48:42.615>the <00:48:42.895>difference <00:48:43.175>with <00:48:43.455>custom <00:48:43.735>attributes.

1148
00:48:44.375 --> 00:48:47.555
<00:48:44.375>You <00:48:44.550>basically <00:48:44.725>can, <00:48:44.900>uh, <00:48:45.075>can <00:48:45.250>alter <00:48:45.425>them <00:48:45.600>from <00:48:45.775>JavaScript.

1149
00:48:47.775 --> 00:48:49.235
<00:48:47.775>You <00:48:48.037>can <00:48:48.300>create <00:48:48.563>them <00:48:48.826>with <00:48:49.089>JavaScript.

1150
00:48:49.265 --> 00:48:52.075
<00:48:49.265>They <00:48:49.420>can <00:48:49.576>actually, <00:48:49.731>uh, <00:48:49.887>override <00:48:50.042>them <00:48:50.198>with <00:48:50.353>a <00:48:50.509>style <00:48:50.665>attribute

1151
00:48:52.295 --> 00:48:53.675
<00:48:52.295>inside <00:48:52.605>your <00:48:52.916>component <00:48:53.226>as <00:48:53.537>well.

1152
00:48:53.705 --> 00:48:57.275
<00:48:53.705>Yeah. <00:48:53.904>In, <00:48:54.105>there's <00:48:54.305>quite <00:48:54.505>three <00:48:54.705>dimensional <00:48:54.904>across <00:48:55.105>languages.

1153
00:48:57.375 --> 00:48:59.875
<00:48:57.375>And, <00:48:57.515>uh, <00:48:57.655>SaaS <00:48:57.795>was <00:48:57.935>always <00:48:58.075>a <00:48:58.215>pre-processor, <00:48:58.355>and <00:48:58.495>that <00:48:58.635>was <00:48:58.775>that.

1154
00:49:00.635 --> 00:49:02.285
<00:49:00.635>Yeah, <00:49:00.985>no, <00:49:01.335>a <00:49:01.685>hundred <00:49:02.035>percent.

1155
00:49:02.285 --> 00:49:04.285
<00:49:02.285>Like <00:49:02.412>the, <00:49:02.539>the <00:49:02.666>fact <00:49:02.794>that <00:49:02.921>you <00:49:03.048>can <00:49:03.175>change <00:49:03.303>it <00:49:03.430>at <00:49:03.557>one <00:49:03.685>time,

1156
00:49:05.815 --> 00:49:08.195
<00:49:05.815>so <00:49:06.015>many <00:49:06.215>opportunities <00:49:06.415>to <00:49:06.615>do <00:49:06.815>terrible <00:49:07.015>things <00:49:07.215>there.

1157
00:49:08.615 --> 00:49:11.755
<00:49:08.615>But, <00:49:08.770>uh, <00:49:08.926>at, <00:49:09.081>at <00:49:09.237>the <00:49:09.392>base, <00:49:09.548>it, <00:49:09.703>it <00:49:09.859>feels <00:49:10.015>like,

1158
00:49:11.755 --> 00:49:14.395
<00:49:11.755>and <00:49:11.895>it's <00:49:12.035>probably <00:49:12.175>gonna <00:49:12.315>be <00:49:12.455>used <00:49:12.595>in <00:49:12.735>the <00:49:12.875>same <00:49:13.015>way, <00:49:13.155>mostly

1159
00:49:15.135 --> 00:49:17.835
<00:49:15.135>the <00:49:15.275>way <00:49:15.415>it <00:49:15.555>was <00:49:15.695>used <00:49:15.835>in <00:49:15.975>SAS <00:49:16.115>back <00:49:16.255>then, <00:49:16.395>the <00:49:16.535>fact

1160
00:49:17.835 --> 00:49:21.635
<00:49:17.835>that <00:49:18.068>it <00:49:18.301>is <00:49:18.535>now <00:49:18.768>changeable <00:49:19.001>at <00:49:19.235>runtime.

1161
00:49:22.545 --> 00:49:25.235
<00:49:22.545>It's <00:49:22.685>amazing. <00:49:22.825>It's <00:49:22.965>probably <00:49:23.105>not <00:49:23.245>gonna <00:49:23.385>be <00:49:23.525>used <00:49:23.665>a <00:49:23.805>whole <00:49:23.945>lot.

1162
00:49:26.345 --> 00:49:27.915
<00:49:26.345>Like, <00:49:26.578>uh, <00:49:26.811>put <00:49:27.044>a <00:49:27.278>marker <00:49:27.511>in <00:49:27.745>here

1163
00:49:27.915 --> 00:49:29.635
<00:49:27.915>and <00:49:28.115>remind <00:49:28.315>me <00:49:28.515>in <00:49:28.715>10 <00:49:28.915>years <00:49:29.115>when <00:49:29.315>everybody's

1164
00:49:29.795 --> 00:49:31.435
<00:49:29.795>changing <00:49:30.495>at <00:49:31.195>runtime.

1165
00:49:32.415 --> 00:49:33.835
<00:49:32.415>I'm <00:49:32.670>kind <00:49:32.926>of <00:49:33.181>worried <00:49:33.437>about, <00:49:33.693>I'm,

1166
00:49:33.895 --> 00:49:36.235
<00:49:33.895>I'm <00:49:34.050>actually <00:49:34.206>happy <00:49:34.361>I'm <00:49:34.517>not <00:49:34.672>working <00:49:34.828>in <00:49:34.983>the <00:49:35.139>Chrome <00:49:35.295>developer

1167
00:49:36.235 --> 00:49:37.795
<00:49:36.235>tools <00:49:36.701>anymore <00:49:37.168>because <00:49:37.635>debugging

1168
00:49:37.795 --> 00:49:39.955
<00:49:37.795>that <00:49:38.075>thing <00:49:38.355>in <00:49:38.635>the <00:49:38.915>UCSS <00:49:39.195>editor

1169
00:49:40.535 --> 00:49:42.755
<00:49:40.535>and <00:49:40.734>finding <00:49:40.935>out <00:49:41.134>where <00:49:41.335>which <00:49:41.535>thing <00:49:41.734>came <00:49:41.935>from.

1170
00:49:42.875 --> 00:49:45.475
<00:49:42.875>I <00:49:43.050>mean, <00:49:43.225>we <00:49:43.400>rendered <00:49:43.575>the <00:49:43.750>final <00:49:43.925>CSS, <00:49:44.100>uh, <00:49:44.275>tree

1171
00:49:45.975 --> 00:49:47.915
<00:49:45.975>and <00:49:46.208>allow <00:49:46.441>you <00:49:46.674>to <00:49:46.908>debug <00:49:47.141>that <00:49:47.375>one.

1172
00:49:48.415 --> 00:49:50.795
<00:49:48.415>But <00:49:48.615>this <00:49:48.815>is <00:49:49.015>basically, <00:49:49.215>we <00:49:49.415>need, <00:49:49.615>uh, <00:49:49.815>uh,

1173
00:49:50.855 --> 00:49:53.595
<00:49:50.855>we <00:49:50.995>much <00:49:51.135>like <00:49:51.275>pre-processing, <00:49:51.415>we <00:49:51.555>need <00:49:51.695>to <00:49:51.835>find <00:49:51.975>a <00:49:52.115>way <00:49:52.255>like

1174
00:49:53.595 --> 00:49:57.595
<00:49:53.595>where <00:49:53.734>the <00:49:53.875>original, <00:49:54.015>uh, <00:49:54.154>uh, <00:49:54.294>uh, <00:49:54.435>the <00:49:54.575>original, <00:49:54.714>uh, <00:49:54.855>mix <00:49:54.995>in

1175
00:49:57.595 --> 00:49:58.915
<00:49:57.595>or <00:49:57.991>function <00:49:58.386>came <00:49:58.783>from.

1176
00:49:59.055 --> 00:50:01.995
<00:49:59.055>So <00:49:59.210>there's <00:49:59.366>a, <00:49:59.521>like <00:49:59.677>we <00:49:59.832>need <00:49:59.988>source <00:50:00.143>maps <00:50:00.299>inside <00:50:00.455>CSS.

1177
00:50:01.995 --> 00:50:03.355
<00:50:01.995>So <00:50:02.199>it's <00:50:02.403>gonna <00:50:02.607>be <00:50:02.811>interesting <00:50:03.015>that <00:50:03.219>way.

1178
00:50:05.645 --> 00:50:06.895
<00:50:05.645>Yeah, <00:50:06.020>yeah. <00:50:06.395>For <00:50:06.770>sure.

1179
00:50:07.255 --> 00:50:09.375
<00:50:07.255>I <00:50:07.395>mean, <00:50:07.535>this, <00:50:07.675>this, <00:50:07.815>this <00:50:07.955>comes <00:50:08.095>along <00:50:08.235>with <00:50:08.375>like, <00:50:08.515>a <00:50:08.655>lot

1180
00:50:09.375 --> 00:50:12.455
<00:50:09.375>of <00:50:09.550>other <00:50:09.725>cool <00:50:09.900>things <00:50:10.075>that, <00:50:10.250>that <00:50:10.425>are <00:50:10.600>happening <00:50:10.775>recently.

1181
00:50:12.515 --> 00:50:15.575
<00:50:12.515>Let <00:50:12.654>just <00:50:12.795>like, <00:50:12.935>and <00:50:13.075>you <00:50:13.214>mentioning <00:50:13.355>to <00:50:13.495>try <00:50:13.634>to <00:50:13.775>debug, <00:50:13.915>try

1182
00:50:15.575 --> 00:50:19.535
<00:50:15.575>to <00:50:15.730>debug <00:50:15.886>a, <00:50:16.041>like <00:50:16.197>a, <00:50:16.352>a <00:50:16.508>container <00:50:16.663>query <00:50:16.819>or <00:50:16.975>something.

1183
00:50:19.685 --> 00:50:21.775
<00:50:19.685>It's, <00:50:19.965>it's <00:50:20.245>definitely <00:50:20.525>not <00:50:20.805>getting <00:50:21.085>easier.

1184
00:50:21.995 --> 00:50:23.935
<00:50:21.995>But <00:50:22.134>the <00:50:22.275>fact <00:50:22.415>that <00:50:22.555>you <00:50:22.694>can <00:50:22.835>do <00:50:22.975>all <00:50:23.115>of <00:50:23.255>these <00:50:23.395>things

1185
00:50:23.935 --> 00:50:25.055
<00:50:23.935>that <00:50:24.187>we <00:50:24.439>not <00:50:24.691>even <00:50:24.942>dare

1186
00:50:25.055 --> 00:50:27.135
<00:50:25.055>to <00:50:25.230>dream <00:50:25.404>about <00:50:25.580>20 <00:50:25.754>years <00:50:25.930>ago <00:50:26.105>has <00:50:26.279>been <00:50:26.455>wonderful.

1187
00:50:28.325 --> 00:50:30.045
<00:50:28.325>Hmm. <00:50:28.524>Well, <00:50:28.725>we've <00:50:28.924>just <00:50:29.125>been <00:50:29.325>at <00:50:29.524>the <00:50:29.725>state

1188
00:50:30.045 --> 00:50:31.165
<00:50:30.045>of <00:50:30.381>the <00:50:30.717>Browser <00:50:31.053>conference

1189
00:50:31.305 --> 00:50:36.045
<00:50:31.305>and, <00:50:31.460>uh, <00:50:31.616>uh, <00:50:31.771>Mario <00:50:31.927>Matusovich, <00:50:32.082>uh, <00:50:32.238>uh, <00:50:32.393>uh, <00:50:32.549>uh, <00:50:32.705>no,

1190
00:50:36.045 --> 00:50:37.525
<00:50:36.045>not <00:50:36.711>Mario <00:50:37.377>Manuel.

1191
00:50:38.105 --> 00:50:39.605
<00:50:38.105>Manuel <00:50:38.780>Matt. <00:50:39.455>Yeah.

1192
00:50:39.805 --> 00:50:41.885
<00:50:39.805>I <00:50:39.960>made, <00:50:40.116>uh, <00:50:40.271>I <00:50:40.427>made <00:50:40.582>fun <00:50:40.738>of <00:50:40.893>the, <00:50:41.049>the <00:50:41.205>organizer

1193
00:50:41.885 --> 00:50:44.285
<00:50:41.885>because <00:50:42.085>he <00:50:42.285>pronounced <00:50:42.485>it <00:50:42.685>like <00:50:42.885>Manuel <00:50:43.085>from, <00:50:43.285>uh,

1194
00:50:44.285 --> 00:50:46.805
<00:50:44.285>Schwar <00:50:44.565>Towers <00:50:44.845>instead <00:50:45.125>of <00:50:45.404>like <00:50:45.685>manual.

1195
00:50:47.385 --> 00:50:51.925
<00:50:47.385>And, <00:50:47.485>uh, <00:50:47.585>he <00:50:47.685>gave <00:50:47.785>a <00:50:47.885>talk <00:50:47.985>on, <00:50:48.085>uh, <00:50:48.185>on <00:50:48.285>color, <00:50:48.385>uh, <00:50:48.485>uh, <00:50:48.585>uh, <00:50:48.685>in <00:50:48.785>CSS

1196
00:50:51.985 --> 00:50:55.245
<00:50:51.985>and <00:50:52.140>also <00:50:52.296>color, <00:50:52.451>uh, <00:50:52.607>models <00:50:52.762>and <00:50:52.918>color, <00:50:53.073>uh, <00:50:53.229>uh, <00:50:53.385>spaces.

1197
00:50:55.545 --> 00:50:58.525
<00:50:55.545>And <00:50:55.720>then, <00:50:55.895>uh, <00:50:56.070>uh, <00:50:56.245>I <00:50:56.420>basically <00:50:56.595>said <00:50:56.770>like, <00:50:56.945>it's,

1198
00:50:58.525 --> 00:51:01.125
<00:50:58.525>it <00:50:58.700>was <00:50:58.875>the <00:50:59.050>best <00:50:59.225>advertising <00:50:59.400>for <00:50:59.575>using <00:50:59.750>Tailwind <00:50:59.925>ever.

1199
00:51:01.125 --> 00:51:03.805
<00:51:01.125>Sure. <00:51:01.265>Because <00:51:01.405>it, <00:51:01.545>it <00:51:01.685>was, <00:51:01.825>it, <00:51:01.965>it <00:51:02.105>just <00:51:02.245>looked <00:51:02.385>so <00:51:02.525>complex,

1200
00:51:03.905 --> 00:51:05.245
<00:51:03.905>but <00:51:04.106>at <00:51:04.307>the <00:51:04.508>same <00:51:04.709>time, <00:51:04.910>it's <00:51:05.111>great

1201
00:51:05.245 --> 00:51:06.685
<00:51:05.245>that <00:51:05.504>we <00:51:05.763>have <00:51:06.022>this <00:51:06.281>granular <00:51:06.541>control.

1202
00:51:06.945 --> 00:51:07.965
<00:51:06.945>Mm-hmm. <00:51:07.404>But <00:51:07.863>yeah.

1203
00:51:08.035 --> 00:51:10.245
<00:51:08.035>What <00:51:08.190>what <00:51:08.346>did <00:51:08.501>you <00:51:08.657>take <00:51:08.812>away <00:51:08.968>from <00:51:09.123>that <00:51:09.279>then? <00:51:09.435>So,

1204
00:51:11.195 --> 00:51:12.525
<00:51:11.195>Yeah, <00:51:11.366>no, <00:51:11.537>it's <00:51:11.708>really, <00:51:11.879>it <00:51:12.050>was <00:51:12.221>really <00:51:12.392>good.

1205
00:51:12.605 --> 00:51:14.005
<00:51:12.605>I <00:51:12.745>mean, <00:51:12.885>I, <00:51:13.025>I <00:51:13.165>like <00:51:13.305>anything <00:51:13.445>to <00:51:13.585>do <00:51:13.725>with <00:51:13.865>color,

1206
00:51:14.025 --> 00:51:15.765
<00:51:14.025>and <00:51:14.180>I <00:51:14.336>think <00:51:14.491>I, <00:51:14.647>I, <00:51:14.802>I <00:51:14.958>did <00:51:15.113>think <00:51:15.269>the <00:51:15.425>same.

1207
00:51:15.885 --> 00:51:17.645
<00:51:15.885>I <00:51:16.060>was <00:51:16.235>like, <00:51:16.410>I <00:51:16.585>feel <00:51:16.760>quite <00:51:16.935>safe <00:51:17.110>with <00:51:17.285>Tailwind,

1208
00:51:17.845 --> 00:51:19.125
<00:51:17.845>actually <00:51:18.421>Competi, <00:51:18.997>but,

1209
00:51:19.985 --> 00:51:21.765
<00:51:19.985>but <00:51:20.140>I've <00:51:20.296>also, <00:51:20.451>you <00:51:20.607>know, <00:51:20.762>I've <00:51:20.918>got, <00:51:21.073>I've <00:51:21.229>got <00:51:21.385>a,

1210
00:51:21.805 --> 00:51:23.485
<00:51:21.805>a <00:51:21.960>site <00:51:22.116>out <00:51:22.271>there <00:51:22.427>that <00:51:22.582>sort <00:51:22.738>of <00:51:22.893>works <00:51:23.049>with <00:51:23.205>color,

1211
00:51:23.585 --> 00:51:27.085
<00:51:23.585>and <00:51:23.692>I <00:51:23.800>put <00:51:23.908>IGBA <00:51:24.015>in <00:51:24.123>there <00:51:24.231>and <00:51:24.338>I <00:51:24.446>put, <00:51:24.554>um, <00:51:24.661>oh, <00:51:24.769>I've <00:51:24.877>gone <00:51:24.985>blank.

1212
00:51:27.085 --> 00:51:29.925
<00:51:27.085>Oh, <00:51:27.192>I <00:51:27.300>put <00:51:27.408>hex <00:51:27.515>codes <00:51:27.623>in <00:51:27.731>there. <00:51:27.838>But <00:51:27.946>what <00:51:28.054>I <00:51:28.161>didn't <00:51:28.269>do <00:51:28.377>was <00:51:28.485>HSL.

1213
00:51:30.265 --> 00:51:31.845
<00:51:30.265>And <00:51:30.498>then <00:51:30.731>I've <00:51:30.964>thought <00:51:31.198>about <00:51:31.431>doing <00:51:31.665>that

1214
00:51:31.845 --> 00:51:33.885
<00:51:31.845>because <00:51:31.972>it's <00:51:32.099>so <00:51:32.226>much <00:51:32.354>easier <00:51:32.481>to <00:51:32.608>kind <00:51:32.735>of, <00:51:32.863>you <00:51:32.990>know, <00:51:33.117>get <00:51:33.245>a,

1215
00:51:34.005 --> 00:51:35.285
<00:51:34.005>a <00:51:34.235>color <00:51:34.465>palette <00:51:34.696>from <00:51:34.926>one <00:51:35.156>color.

1216
00:51:35.585 --> 00:51:36.845
<00:51:35.585>And <00:51:35.747>then <00:51:35.909>I'm <00:51:36.071>seeing, <00:51:36.232>you <00:51:36.395>know, <00:51:36.557>the <00:51:36.719>ones

1217
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<00:51:36.845>that <00:51:36.984>they <00:51:37.125>were <00:51:37.265>using <00:51:37.404>in <00:51:37.544>that, <00:51:37.685>in <00:51:37.825>the, <00:51:37.964>um, <00:51:38.105>in, <00:51:38.245>uh,

1218
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<00:51:39.875>manuals <00:51:40.075>talk <00:51:40.275>and <00:51:40.475>there's, <00:51:40.675>there's <00:51:40.875>a <00:51:41.075>whole <00:51:41.275>load.

1219
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<00:51:42.905>And <00:51:43.080>actually <00:51:43.255>it's, <00:51:43.430>IM <00:51:43.605>impossible, <00:51:43.780>isn't <00:51:43.955>it, <00:51:44.130>to <00:51:44.305>get

1220
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<00:51:44.765>that <00:51:44.998>standardized <00:51:45.231>look <00:51:45.464>across <00:51:45.698>different <00:51:45.931>devices <00:51:46.165>in

1221
00:51:47.885 --> 00:51:49.245
<00:51:47.885>different <00:51:48.497>color <00:51:49.109>profiles.

1222
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<00:51:49.425>It <00:51:49.666>feels <00:51:49.907>like <00:51:50.148>a <00:51:50.389>complete <00:51:50.631>minefield.

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<00:51:50.785>So <00:51:51.018>I <00:51:51.251>did <00:51:51.484>end <00:51:51.718>up <00:51:51.951>going, <00:51:52.185>yeah,

1224
00:51:52.485 --> 00:51:53.925
<00:51:52.485>I'm <00:51:52.744>quite <00:51:53.003>safe <00:51:53.262>with <00:51:53.521>Tailwind, <00:51:53.781>actually.

1225
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<00:51:53.925>Tailwind <00:51:54.555>Hex, <00:51:55.185>RGBA

1226
00:51:55.325 --> 00:51:59.245
<00:51:55.325>and <00:51:55.441>HSL, <00:51:55.558>that's <00:51:55.674>a <00:51:55.791>bit <00:51:55.908>of <00:51:56.024>that, <00:51:56.141>that's <00:51:56.258>enough <00:51:56.375>for <00:51:56.491>now <00:51:56.608>for <00:51:56.725>me.

1227
00:52:00.085 --> 00:52:02.685
<00:52:00.085>I, <00:52:00.225>I, <00:52:00.365>I <00:52:00.505>also, <00:52:00.645>I <00:52:00.785>was <00:52:00.925>fascinated <00:52:01.065>by <00:52:01.205>that <00:52:01.345>whole <00:52:01.485>concept

1228
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<00:52:02.825>of <00:52:03.000>like, <00:52:03.174>if <00:52:03.350>the <00:52:03.524>color <00:52:03.700>space <00:52:03.875>is <00:52:04.049>not <00:52:04.225>defined

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<00:52:04.905>or <00:52:05.138>there's, <00:52:05.371>it's <00:52:05.605>outside <00:52:05.838>the <00:52:06.071>color <00:52:06.305>space

1230
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<00:52:06.605>that <00:52:07.049>the <00:52:07.493>browser <00:52:07.937>rendering

1231
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<00:52:08.085>or <00:52:08.240>the, <00:52:08.396>even <00:52:08.551>the <00:52:08.707>operating <00:52:08.862>session <00:52:09.018>is <00:52:09.173>rendering <00:52:09.329>just <00:52:09.485>like

1232
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<00:52:11.605>a <00:52:11.760>guess <00:52:11.916>and <00:52:12.071>just <00:52:12.227>puts <00:52:12.382>the <00:52:12.538>closest <00:52:12.693>color <00:52:12.849>to <00:52:13.005>it.

1233
00:52:14.465 --> 00:52:16.445
<00:52:14.465>And <00:52:14.605>that's <00:52:14.745>why <00:52:14.885>you <00:52:15.025>get <00:52:15.165>like <00:52:15.305>a <00:52:15.445>blue, <00:52:15.585>that's <00:52:15.725>a <00:52:15.865>yellow

1234
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<00:52:16.545>and <00:52:16.685>like <00:52:16.825>a, <00:52:16.965>a <00:52:17.105>blue, <00:52:17.245>that's <00:52:17.385>a, <00:52:17.525>that's <00:52:17.665>a, <00:52:17.805>a <00:52:17.945>purple

1235
00:52:19.185 --> 00:52:20.445
<00:52:19.185>and <00:52:19.468>all <00:52:19.752>kinds <00:52:20.035>of <00:52:20.319>stuff.

1236
00:52:20.565 --> 00:52:22.925
<00:52:20.565>I <00:52:20.705>think <00:52:20.845>it's <00:52:20.985>the, <00:52:21.125>the, <00:52:21.265>the <00:52:21.405>picture <00:52:21.545>of <00:52:21.685>that <00:52:21.825>dress <00:52:21.965>over

1237
00:52:22.925 --> 00:52:23.965
<00:52:22.925>and <00:52:23.159>over <00:52:23.393>again, <00:52:23.627>isn't <00:52:23.861>it?

1238
00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:27.205
<00:52:25.275>Yeah. <00:52:25.741>It <00:52:26.208>was <00:52:26.675>silver.

1239
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<00:52:28.435>This <00:52:28.668>one <00:52:28.901>an <00:52:29.134>interesting <00:52:29.368>one. <00:52:29.601>Area <00:52:29.835>label.

1240
00:52:30.665 --> 00:52:32.725
<00:52:30.665>Uh, <00:52:30.945>the <00:52:31.225>needs <00:52:31.505>a <00:52:31.785>valid <00:52:32.065>role.

1241
00:52:33.425 --> 00:52:37.405
<00:52:33.425>So <00:52:33.580>basically <00:52:33.736>instead <00:52:33.891>of <00:52:34.047>putting <00:52:34.202>area <00:52:34.358>label <00:52:34.513>on <00:52:34.669>the <00:52:34.825>SVG,

1242
00:52:37.465 --> 00:52:38.645
<00:52:37.465>you <00:52:37.616>have <00:52:37.768>to <00:52:37.920>put <00:52:38.071>it <00:52:38.223>on <00:52:38.375>the <00:52:38.527>button.

1243
00:52:41.845 --> 00:52:46.305
<00:52:41.845>Yes. <00:52:42.020>So, <00:52:42.194>uh, <00:52:42.370>funny <00:52:42.544>enough, <00:52:42.720>I <00:52:42.895>did <00:52:43.069>an <00:52:43.245>internal,

1244
00:52:46.725 --> 00:52:51.505
<00:52:46.725>uh, <00:52:46.900>demo <00:52:47.075>and <00:52:47.250>article <00:52:47.424>about <00:52:47.600>this <00:52:47.775>very <00:52:47.950>similar <00:52:48.125>example.

1245
00:52:52.245 --> 00:52:57.025
<00:52:52.245>Uh, <00:52:52.361>one, <00:52:52.478>one <00:52:52.595>thing <00:52:52.711>that <00:52:52.828>the <00:52:52.944>author <00:52:53.061>here <00:52:53.178>is <00:52:53.295>missing <00:52:53.411>out <00:52:53.528>on <00:52:53.645>is

1246
00:52:57.025 --> 00:52:59.105
<00:52:57.025>that <00:52:57.305>SVG <00:52:57.585>has <00:52:57.865>a <00:52:58.145>title <00:52:58.425>attribute,

1247
00:52:59.885 --> 00:53:01.825
<00:52:59.885>and <00:53:00.085>if <00:53:00.285>you <00:53:00.485>use <00:53:00.685>that, <00:53:00.885>it's <00:53:01.085>all <00:53:01.285>good.

1248
00:53:02.085 --> 00:53:04.785
<00:53:02.085>So <00:53:02.318>he's <00:53:02.551>just, <00:53:02.785>uh, <00:53:03.018>missing <00:53:03.251>that <00:53:03.485>part

1249
00:53:04.845 --> 00:53:06.865
<00:53:04.845>and <00:53:05.000>then <00:53:05.156>you <00:53:05.311>don't <00:53:05.467>need <00:53:05.622>to <00:53:05.778>add <00:53:05.933>anything <00:53:06.089>on <00:53:06.245>top.

1250
00:53:07.445 --> 00:53:09.745
<00:53:07.445>Uh, <00:53:07.725>otherwise <00:53:08.005>yes, <00:53:08.285>it <00:53:08.565>makes <00:53:08.845>sense

1251
00:53:09.895 --> 00:53:12.985
<00:53:09.895>because, <00:53:10.070>uh, <00:53:10.245>coming <00:53:10.420>from <00:53:10.595>the <00:53:10.770>accessibility <00:53:10.945>point <00:53:11.120>of <00:53:11.295>view,

1252
00:53:13.765 --> 00:53:17.065
<00:53:13.765>uh, <00:53:14.045>anything <00:53:14.325>that <00:53:14.605>can <00:53:14.884>receive <00:53:15.165>focus

1253
00:53:18.085 --> 00:53:19.865
<00:53:18.085>is <00:53:18.318>suggesting <00:53:18.551>you <00:53:18.785>can <00:53:19.018>interact <00:53:19.251>with <00:53:19.485>it.

1254
00:53:20.445 --> 00:53:22.825
<00:53:20.445>And <00:53:20.620>when <00:53:20.795>you <00:53:20.970>can <00:53:21.145>interact <00:53:21.320>with <00:53:21.495>it, <00:53:21.670>it's <00:53:21.845>suggesting

1255
00:53:22.895 --> 00:53:25.245
<00:53:22.895>that <00:53:23.070>it's <00:53:23.245>a <00:53:23.420>thing <00:53:23.595>that <00:53:23.770>you <00:53:23.945>can <00:53:24.120>interact <00:53:24.295>with.

1256
00:53:25.985 --> 00:53:28.085
<00:53:25.985>And <00:53:26.160>meaning <00:53:26.335>it <00:53:26.510>needs <00:53:26.685>to <00:53:26.860>have <00:53:27.035>a <00:53:27.210>role. <00:53:27.385>Right.

1257
00:53:28.085 --> 00:53:31.485
<00:53:28.085>Like <00:53:28.260>in, <00:53:28.435>in <00:53:28.610>that, <00:53:28.785>uh, <00:53:28.960>list <00:53:29.135>of, <00:53:29.310>of, <00:53:29.485>uh,

1258
00:53:31.895 --> 00:53:33.365
<00:53:31.895>logic, <00:53:32.225>it <00:53:32.556>makes <00:53:32.887>total <00:53:33.218>sense.

1259
00:53:33.945 --> 00:53:37.765
<00:53:33.945>If <00:53:34.225>you're <00:53:34.505>placing <00:53:34.785>an <00:53:35.065>SVG <00:53:35.345>somewhere

1260
00:53:38.145 --> 00:53:41.885
<00:53:38.145>and <00:53:38.261>as <00:53:38.378>an <00:53:38.495>I <00:53:38.611>icon, <00:53:38.728>then <00:53:38.845>it <00:53:38.961>has <00:53:39.078>a <00:53:39.195>title, <00:53:39.311>it's <00:53:39.428>perfectly <00:53:39.545>fine.

1261
00:53:42.425 --> 00:53:45.325
<00:53:42.425>Unless, <00:53:42.580>and <00:53:42.736>that <00:53:42.891>is <00:53:43.047>a <00:53:43.202>big <00:53:43.358>disappointment <00:53:43.513>from <00:53:43.669>mine <00:53:43.825>side.

1262
00:53:46.105 --> 00:53:47.365
<00:53:46.105>You <00:53:46.331>are, <00:53:46.558>you're <00:53:46.785>linking <00:53:47.012>it <00:53:47.238>out.

1263
00:53:47.965 --> 00:53:50.445
<00:53:47.965>'cause <00:53:48.120>then <00:53:48.276>the <00:53:48.431>title <00:53:48.587>doesn't <00:53:48.742>do <00:53:48.898>anything. <00:53:49.053>Mm-hmm. <00:53:49.209>And <00:53:49.365>then,

1264
00:53:50.785 --> 00:53:51.965
<00:53:50.785>So <00:53:51.050>basically <00:53:51.316>if <00:53:51.581>you <00:53:51.847>source

1265
00:53:52.065 --> 00:53:54.965
<00:53:52.065>to <00:53:52.205>the <00:53:52.345>XSVG <00:53:52.485>rather <00:53:52.625>than <00:53:52.765>having <00:53:52.905>it <00:53:53.045>as <00:53:53.185>an <00:53:53.325>inline <00:53:53.465>SVG.

1266
00:53:55.435 --> 00:53:57.165
<00:53:55.435>Exactly. <00:53:56.134>Yeah. <00:53:56.835>Yeah.

1267
00:53:57.165 --> 00:53:59.765
<00:53:57.165>And <00:53:57.305>it's, <00:53:57.445>I <00:53:57.585>guess <00:53:57.725>this <00:53:57.865>is <00:53:58.005>also <00:53:58.145>the <00:53:58.285>reason <00:53:58.425>why <00:53:58.565>there's

1268
00:53:59.765 --> 00:54:00.765
<00:53:59.765>so <00:54:00.065>many <00:54:00.365>empty <00:54:00.665>links

1269
00:54:00.765 --> 00:54:03.485
<00:54:00.765>and <00:54:00.940>buttons <00:54:01.115>in <00:54:01.290>that, <00:54:01.464>uh, <00:54:01.640>that <00:54:01.815>web <00:54:01.990>aim <00:54:02.165>report

1270
00:54:03.485 --> 00:54:06.445
<00:54:03.485>because <00:54:03.660>people <00:54:03.835>just <00:54:04.010>use <00:54:04.185>SVGs <00:54:04.360>and <00:54:04.535>use <00:54:04.710>like <00:54:04.885>bootstrap

1271
00:54:06.445 --> 00:54:09.925
<00:54:06.445>or <00:54:06.645>whatever, <00:54:06.845>just <00:54:07.045>10,000 <00:54:07.245>icon <00:54:07.445>things <00:54:07.645>out <00:54:07.845>there.

1272
00:54:10.025 --> 00:54:11.525
<00:54:10.025>And <00:54:10.250>probably <00:54:10.475>they <00:54:10.700>didn't <00:54:10.925>have <00:54:11.150>a <00:54:11.375>title

1273
00:54:11.665 --> 00:54:14.605
<00:54:11.665>and <00:54:11.820>that's <00:54:11.976>why <00:54:12.131>it's <00:54:12.287>empty <00:54:12.442>and <00:54:12.598>it <00:54:12.753>doesn't <00:54:12.909>show <00:54:13.065>anything.

1274
00:54:16.235 --> 00:54:19.135
<00:54:16.235>And <00:54:16.410>yeah, <00:54:16.585>just <00:54:16.760>a <00:54:16.935>reminder, <00:54:17.110>if <00:54:17.285>you <00:54:17.460>use <00:54:17.635>chromium,

1275
00:54:19.365 --> 00:54:23.415
<00:54:19.365>like <00:54:19.540>everybody <00:54:19.714>does <00:54:19.890>except <00:54:20.064>for <00:54:20.240>a <00:54:20.415>few <00:54:20.589>people, <00:54:20.765>uh,

1276
00:54:23.595 --> 00:54:27.015
<00:54:23.595>and <00:54:23.750>you <00:54:23.906>do <00:54:24.061>analyze <00:54:24.217>the <00:54:24.372>things, <00:54:24.528>just <00:54:24.683>roll <00:54:24.839>over <00:54:24.995>it

1277
00:54:27.315 --> 00:54:29.175
<00:54:27.315>and <00:54:27.490>then <00:54:27.665>you <00:54:27.840>see <00:54:28.015>if <00:54:28.190>something <00:54:28.365>has <00:54:28.540>a <00:54:28.715>role.

1278
00:54:29.395 --> 00:54:31.055
<00:54:29.395>In <00:54:29.595>this <00:54:29.795>case, <00:54:29.995>it <00:54:30.195>has <00:54:30.395>a <00:54:30.595>role <00:54:30.795>paragraph

1279
00:54:31.115 --> 00:54:33.255
<00:54:31.115>and <00:54:31.290>that's <00:54:31.464>actually <00:54:31.640>safe <00:54:31.814>to <00:54:31.990>put, <00:54:32.165>uh, <00:54:32.339>uh, <00:54:32.515>uh,

1280
00:54:33.255 --> 00:54:34.655
<00:54:33.255>to <00:54:33.507>put <00:54:33.759>an <00:54:34.011>area <00:54:34.263>label <00:54:34.515>on.

1281
00:54:34.885 --> 00:54:36.735
<00:54:34.885>Like, <00:54:35.060>you <00:54:35.235>also <00:54:35.410>see <00:54:35.585>if <00:54:35.760>it <00:54:35.935>has <00:54:36.110>enough <00:54:36.285>contrast.

1282
00:54:36.755 --> 00:54:38.975
<00:54:36.755>You <00:54:36.930>also <00:54:37.105>see <00:54:37.280>if <00:54:37.455>it's <00:54:37.630>keyboard, <00:54:37.805>focusable <00:54:37.980>or <00:54:38.155>not.

1283
00:54:39.755 --> 00:54:42.055
<00:54:39.755>So <00:54:39.895>if <00:54:40.035>you, <00:54:40.175>uh, <00:54:40.315>even <00:54:40.455>if <00:54:40.595>you <00:54:40.735>don't <00:54:40.875>want <00:54:41.015>to <00:54:41.155>tap

1284
00:54:42.055 --> 00:54:44.135
<00:54:42.055>through <00:54:42.210>the <00:54:42.366>whole <00:54:42.521>page <00:54:42.677>and <00:54:42.832>understand <00:54:42.988>what's <00:54:43.143>going <00:54:43.299>on <00:54:43.455>there,

1285
00:54:44.395 --> 00:54:47.055
<00:54:44.395>you <00:54:44.535>can <00:54:44.675>just <00:54:44.815>use <00:54:44.955>that, <00:54:45.095>that <00:54:45.235>picker <00:54:45.375>that <00:54:45.515>you're <00:54:45.655>using <00:54:45.795>anyways

1286
00:54:47.115 --> 00:54:48.615
<00:54:47.115>to <00:54:47.384>fix <00:54:47.654>the <00:54:47.924>margin <00:54:48.194>and <00:54:48.464>padding

1287
00:54:48.615 --> 00:54:50.775
<00:54:48.615>and <00:54:48.848>understand <00:54:49.081>what <00:54:49.314>Flexbox <00:54:49.548>might <00:54:49.781>be <00:54:50.015>about.

1288
00:54:51.625 --> 00:54:54.525
<00:54:51.625>So <00:54:51.825>this <00:54:52.025>functionality <00:54:52.225>is <00:54:52.425>in <00:54:52.625>that <00:54:52.825>information, <00:54:53.025>uh,

1289
00:54:54.525 --> 00:54:55.645
<00:54:54.525>overlay <00:54:54.861>already <00:54:55.197>in <00:54:55.533>there.

1290
00:54:55.665 --> 00:54:58.965
<00:54:55.665>So <00:54:55.792>it's, <00:54:55.919>there's <00:54:56.046>not <00:54:56.174>many <00:54:56.301>excuses <00:54:56.428>that <00:54:56.555>you <00:54:56.683>have <00:54:56.810>that <00:54:56.937>I <00:54:57.065>do.

1291
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1293
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1318
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1319
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1321
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1322
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1323
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1324
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1325
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1326
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1327
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1328
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1333
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1334
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1335
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1336
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1337
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1338
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1339
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1340
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1341
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1342
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1343
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<00:57:04.795>accessibility <00:57:05.731>feature,

1344
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1345
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1346
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1347
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1348
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1349
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1350
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1351
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1352
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1353
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1354
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1355
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1356
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1357
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1358
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1359
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1360
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1361
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1362
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1363
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1364
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<00:58:07.275>or <00:58:07.590>something <00:58:07.905>like <00:58:08.220>that, <00:58:08.535>fine.

1365
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1366
00:58:12.155 --> 00:58:14.395
<00:58:12.155>I <00:58:12.330>also <00:58:12.505>realize <00:58:12.680>a <00:58:12.855>lot <00:58:13.030>of <00:58:13.205>websites <00:58:13.380>these <00:58:13.555>days

1367
00:58:15.155 --> 00:58:16.875
<00:58:15.155>actually <00:58:15.388>give <00:58:15.621>you <00:58:15.855>that <00:58:16.088>popup <00:58:16.321>of, <00:58:16.555>uh,

1368
00:58:16.875 --> 00:58:18.995
<00:58:16.875>Gmail <00:58:17.155>automatically <00:58:17.435>logging <00:58:17.715>in <00:58:17.995>with <00:58:18.275>Google.

1369
00:58:19.965 --> 00:58:22.725
<00:58:19.965>I <00:58:20.105>don't <00:58:20.245>know <00:58:20.385>what <00:58:20.525>that <00:58:20.665>is <00:58:20.805>actually <00:58:20.945>what <00:58:21.085>feature, <00:58:21.225>what <00:58:21.365>API

1370
00:58:22.725 --> 00:58:24.885
<00:58:22.725>that <00:58:22.900>is <00:58:23.075>like, <00:58:23.250>uh, <00:58:23.424>it's, <00:58:23.600>it <00:58:23.775>must <00:58:23.950>be <00:58:24.125>something

1371
00:58:24.885 --> 00:58:28.205
<00:58:24.885>that <00:58:25.040>Google <00:58:25.196>offers <00:58:25.351>you, <00:58:25.507>you <00:58:25.662>might <00:58:25.818>know, <00:58:25.973>like <00:58:26.129>you <00:58:26.285>go

1372
00:58:28.205 --> 00:58:29.685
<00:58:28.205>to <00:58:28.395>the <00:58:28.585>page <00:58:28.775>and <00:58:28.966>you <00:58:29.156>basically <00:58:29.346>just <00:58:29.537>like,

1373
00:58:29.705 --> 00:58:32.565
<00:58:29.705>it <00:58:29.832>pops <00:58:29.959>up <00:58:30.086>on <00:58:30.214>the <00:58:30.341>top <00:58:30.468>print <00:58:30.595>side, <00:58:30.723>like, <00:58:30.850>oh, <00:58:30.977>which <00:58:31.105>one

1374
00:58:32.565 --> 00:58:34.805
<00:58:32.565>of <00:58:32.692>your <00:58:32.819>Google <00:58:32.946>things <00:58:33.074>do <00:58:33.201>you <00:58:33.328>wanna <00:58:33.455>log <00:58:33.583>into <00:58:33.710>the <00:58:33.837>page <00:58:33.965>with?

1375
00:58:34.805 --> 00:58:37.365
<00:58:34.805>And <00:58:34.944>I'm <00:58:35.085>like, <00:58:35.225>I <00:58:35.365>haven't <00:58:35.504>even <00:58:35.645>shown <00:58:35.785>interest <00:58:35.924>in <00:58:36.065>that <00:58:36.205>page

1376
00:58:37.425 --> 00:58:39.805
<00:58:37.425>yet, <00:58:37.600>but <00:58:37.775>it <00:58:37.950>seems <00:58:38.125>like <00:58:38.300>there's <00:58:38.475>a <00:58:38.650>simple <00:58:38.825>way

1377
00:58:39.805 --> 00:58:42.965
<00:58:39.805>to <00:58:39.980>actually <00:58:40.154>give <00:58:40.330>people <00:58:40.504>a <00:58:40.680>login <00:58:40.855>with <00:58:41.029>Google <00:58:41.205>interface.

1378
00:58:44.145 --> 00:58:47.005
<00:58:44.145>Oh <00:58:44.272>yeah, <00:58:44.399>for <00:58:44.526>sure. <00:58:44.654>It's <00:58:44.781>like <00:58:44.908>we <00:58:45.035>had <00:58:45.163>back <00:58:45.290>in <00:58:45.417>the <00:58:45.545>days,

1379
00:58:47.005 --> 00:58:49.965
<00:58:47.005>but <00:58:47.132>like <00:58:47.259>Facebook <00:58:47.386>and <00:58:47.514>stuff, <00:58:47.641>uh, <00:58:47.768>it, <00:58:47.895>it's, <00:58:48.023>it's <00:58:48.150>a <00:58:48.277>simple <00:58:48.405>API

1380
00:58:49.965 --> 00:58:53.885
<00:58:49.965>that <00:58:50.120>you <00:58:50.276>can <00:58:50.431>include <00:58:50.587>and <00:58:50.742>it, <00:58:50.898>it'll <00:58:51.053>then <00:58:51.209>see <00:58:51.365>what

1381
00:58:55.915 --> 00:58:59.055
<00:58:55.915>if <00:58:56.090>there <00:58:56.265>is <00:58:56.440>an <00:58:56.615>existing <00:58:56.790>signed <00:58:56.965>in <00:58:57.140>Google <00:58:57.315>account

1382
00:58:59.315 --> 00:59:01.055
<00:58:59.315>and <00:58:59.490>then <00:58:59.665>offers <00:58:59.840>you <00:59:00.015>to <00:59:00.190>sign <00:59:00.365>in <00:59:00.540>with <00:59:00.715>it.

1383
00:59:01.395 --> 00:59:04.555
<00:59:01.395>It, <00:59:01.595>frankly, <00:59:01.795>I've <00:59:01.995>not, <00:59:02.195>maybe <00:59:02.395>I've <00:59:02.595>suppressed <00:59:02.795>that.

1384
00:59:04.635 --> 00:59:06.835
<00:59:04.635>I <00:59:04.775>don't, <00:59:04.915>I <00:59:05.055>don't <00:59:05.195>see <00:59:05.335>it, <00:59:05.475>or <00:59:05.615>at <00:59:05.755>least <00:59:05.895>not <00:59:06.035>about,

1385
00:59:08.015 --> 00:59:09.955
<00:59:08.015>I'm <00:59:08.214>wondering <00:59:08.415>about <00:59:08.615>this, <00:59:08.815>and <00:59:09.015>I <00:59:09.214>probably <00:59:09.415>should

1386
00:59:09.955 --> 00:59:11.075
<00:59:09.955>have <00:59:10.207>to <00:59:10.459>ask <00:59:10.711>somebody <00:59:10.962>else.

1387
00:59:11.315 --> 00:59:14.275
<00:59:11.315>I <00:59:11.455>would <00:59:11.595>probably <00:59:11.735>ask <00:59:11.875>Watson <00:59:12.015>to <00:59:12.155>come <00:59:12.295>around <00:59:12.435>to <00:59:12.575>this <00:59:12.715>thing.

1388
00:59:14.815 --> 00:59:17.475
<00:59:14.815>Uh, <00:59:15.015>there's <00:59:15.215>an <00:59:15.415>accessibility <00:59:15.615>statement <00:59:15.815>for <00:59:16.015>the, <00:59:16.215>uh,

1389
00:59:17.875 --> 00:59:20.915
<00:59:17.875>European <00:59:18.225>accessibility, <00:59:18.575>uh, <00:59:18.925>uh, <00:59:19.275>thingy.

1390
00:59:21.465 --> 00:59:24.925
<00:59:21.465>Uh, <00:59:21.592>and <00:59:21.719>it <00:59:21.846>basically <00:59:21.974>tells <00:59:22.101>you <00:59:22.228>like, <00:59:22.355>what <00:59:22.483>does <00:59:22.610>the <00:59:22.737>law <00:59:22.865>state

1391
00:59:25.185 --> 00:59:28.125
<00:59:25.185>and <00:59:25.340>how <00:59:25.496>to <00:59:25.651>actually, <00:59:25.807>which <00:59:25.962>parts <00:59:26.118>you <00:59:26.273>have <00:59:26.429>to <00:59:26.585>include

1392
00:59:28.585 --> 00:59:29.605
<00:59:28.585>and <00:59:28.814>how <00:59:29.044>to <00:59:29.273>write <00:59:29.503>it.

1393
00:59:30.065 --> 00:59:33.405
<00:59:30.065>Uh, <00:59:30.181>I <00:59:30.298>thought <00:59:30.415>it <00:59:30.531>would <00:59:30.648>be <00:59:30.765>a <00:59:30.881>generator, <00:59:30.998>but <00:59:31.115>it <00:59:31.231>kind <00:59:31.348>of <00:59:31.465>isn't.

1394
00:59:33.625 --> 00:59:35.845
<00:59:33.625>Uh, <00:59:33.780>but <00:59:33.936>it <00:59:34.091>still <00:59:34.247>is <00:59:34.402>an <00:59:34.558>interesting <00:59:34.713>thing <00:59:34.869>to <00:59:35.025>like,

1395
00:59:36.515 --> 00:59:38.045
<00:59:36.515>what <00:59:36.744>do <00:59:36.974>you <00:59:37.203>have <00:59:37.433>to <00:59:37.662>put <00:59:37.892>there

1396
00:59:38.045 --> 00:59:40.965
<00:59:38.045>so <00:59:38.245>you <00:59:38.445>can't <00:59:38.645>get <00:59:38.845>sued <00:59:39.045>kind <00:59:39.245>of <00:59:39.445>thing.

1397
00:59:41.155 --> 00:59:44.725
<00:59:41.155>Like <00:59:41.310>what <00:59:41.466>do <00:59:41.621>you <00:59:41.777>think <00:59:41.932>about <00:59:42.088>EEA <00:59:42.243>a <00:59:42.399>I <00:59:42.555>mean,

1398
00:59:44.725 --> 00:59:47.325
<00:59:44.725>it's <00:59:44.958>coming <00:59:45.191>in <00:59:45.424>July, <00:59:45.658>I <00:59:45.891>think, <00:59:46.125>uh,

1399
00:59:47.385 --> 00:59:49.765
<00:59:47.385>and <00:59:47.560>probably <00:59:47.735>people <00:59:47.910>are <00:59:48.085>freaking <00:59:48.260>out <00:59:48.435>about <00:59:48.610>it <00:59:48.785>internally

1400
00:59:49.865 --> 00:59:51.525
<00:59:49.865>and <00:59:50.145>externally <00:59:50.424>right <00:59:50.705>now, <00:59:50.984>aren't <00:59:51.265>they?

1401
00:59:52.715 --> 00:59:54.925
<00:59:52.715>Sure, <00:59:52.915>yeah. <00:59:53.115>No, <00:59:53.315>it's, <00:59:53.515>it's <00:59:53.715>a, <00:59:53.915>it's <00:59:54.115>a,

1402
00:59:55.195 --> 00:59:57.045
<00:59:55.195>another <00:59:55.895>strong <00:59:56.595>motivator.

1403
00:59:57.045 --> 00:59:59.285
<00:59:57.045>Like <00:59:57.245>the, <00:59:57.445>the <00:59:57.645>good <00:59:57.845>news <00:59:58.045>is <00:59:58.245>that, <00:59:58.445>um,

1404
01:00:00.385 --> 01:00:02.565
<01:00:00.385>or <01:00:00.525>at <01:00:00.665>least <01:00:00.805>for, <01:00:00.945>for <01:00:01.085>me, <01:00:01.225>my <01:00:01.365>team <01:00:01.505>is <01:00:01.645>that, <01:00:01.785>uh,

1405
01:00:03.065 --> 01:00:05.725
<01:00:03.065>pretty <01:00:03.192>much <01:00:03.319>all <01:00:03.446>of <01:00:03.574>the <01:00:03.701>things <01:00:03.828>that <01:00:03.955>are <01:00:04.083>now <01:00:04.210>being <01:00:04.337>asked <01:00:04.465>for,

1406
01:00:05.905 --> 01:00:07.405
<01:00:05.905>uh, <01:00:06.355>you <01:00:06.805>were <01:00:07.255>able

1407
01:00:07.405 --> 01:00:09.365
<01:00:07.405>to <01:00:07.560>get <01:00:07.716>sued <01:00:07.871>in <01:00:08.027>the <01:00:08.182>US <01:00:08.338>for <01:00:08.493>many <01:00:08.649>years <01:00:08.805>already.

1408
01:00:10.025 --> 01:00:13.285
<01:00:10.025>So, <01:00:10.152>uh, <01:00:10.279>there <01:00:10.406>was <01:00:10.534>a <01:00:10.661>lot <01:00:10.788>of <01:00:10.915>driving <01:00:11.043>force <01:00:11.170>for <01:00:11.297>that <01:00:11.425>coming,

1409
01:00:13.625 --> 01:00:17.125
<01:00:13.625>uh, <01:00:13.752>from, <01:00:13.879>from <01:00:14.006>my <01:00:14.134>very <01:00:14.261>personal <01:00:14.388>point <01:00:14.515>of <01:00:14.643>view <01:00:14.770>is <01:00:14.897>the, <01:00:15.025>uh,

1410
01:00:17.195 --> 01:00:19.885
<01:00:17.195>lead <01:00:17.395>of <01:00:17.595>the, <01:00:17.795>um, <01:00:17.995>accessibility <01:00:18.195>discovery <01:00:18.395>center <01:00:18.595>here.

1411
01:00:19.905 --> 01:00:23.165
<01:00:19.905>And <01:00:20.045>like <01:00:20.185>the <01:00:20.325>amount <01:00:20.465>of <01:00:20.605>folks <01:00:20.745>that <01:00:20.885>are <01:00:21.025>now <01:00:21.165>coming <01:00:21.305>in

1412
01:00:23.705 --> 01:00:25.525
<01:00:23.705>having <01:00:24.171>heard <01:00:24.638>of <01:00:25.105>EAA

1413
01:00:25.745 --> 01:00:29.525
<01:00:25.745>and <01:00:25.884>now <01:00:26.025>being <01:00:26.165>aware <01:00:26.305>that <01:00:26.444>their, <01:00:26.585>the <01:00:26.725>website <01:00:26.865>that <01:00:27.005>they <01:00:27.145>run

1414
01:00:30.065 --> 01:00:32.865
<01:00:30.065>or <01:00:30.220>the, <01:00:30.376>the, <01:00:30.531>that <01:00:30.687>the <01:00:30.842>business <01:00:30.998>that <01:00:31.153>they <01:00:31.309>run, <01:00:31.465>uh,

1415
01:00:32.865 --> 01:00:35.265
<01:00:32.865>on <01:00:33.020>the <01:00:33.176>web, <01:00:33.331>uh, <01:00:33.487>is <01:00:33.642>now <01:00:33.798>out <01:00:33.953>of <01:00:34.109>a <01:00:34.265>sudden

1416
01:00:35.265 --> 01:00:37.505
<01:00:35.265>because <01:00:35.498>it's <01:00:35.731>been <01:00:35.964>known <01:00:36.198>in <01:00:36.431>Europe, <01:00:36.665>uh,

1417
01:00:37.605 --> 01:00:38.905
<01:00:37.605>or <01:00:37.897>I <01:00:38.190>mean <01:00:38.482>Switzerland, <01:00:38.775>right?

1418
01:00:38.905 --> 01:00:41.465
<01:00:38.905>So <01:00:39.032>we're <01:00:39.159>not <01:00:39.286>really <01:00:39.414>Europe, <01:00:39.541>but, <01:00:39.668>uh, <01:00:39.795>they, <01:00:39.923>they <01:00:40.050>have <01:00:40.177>a <01:00:40.305>lot

1419
01:00:41.465 --> 01:00:44.905
<01:00:41.465>of <01:00:41.640>like <01:00:41.815>contacts, <01:00:41.990>uh, <01:00:42.165>to <01:00:42.340>the <01:00:42.515>surrounding, <01:00:42.690>uh, <01:00:42.865>uh,

1420
01:00:45.165 --> 01:00:46.505
<01:00:45.165>uh, <01:00:45.466>countries <01:00:45.768>just <01:00:46.069>as <01:00:46.371>well.

1421
01:00:47.045 --> 01:00:49.705
<01:00:47.045>So <01:00:47.172>all <01:00:47.299>of <01:00:47.426>a <01:00:47.554>sudden <01:00:47.681>there, <01:00:47.808>there <01:00:47.935>is <01:00:48.063>this <01:00:48.190>like <01:00:48.317>extra <01:00:48.445>push

1422
01:00:49.725 --> 01:00:51.425
<01:00:49.725>of <01:00:50.005>motivation <01:00:50.285>of <01:00:50.565>saying, <01:00:50.845>Hey, <01:00:51.125>hey,

1423
01:00:51.505 --> 01:00:53.505
<01:00:51.505>I <01:00:51.738>really <01:00:51.971>care <01:00:52.205>about <01:00:52.438>accessibility <01:00:52.671>right <01:00:52.905>now.

1424
01:00:54.085 --> 01:00:57.185
<01:00:54.085>Uh, <01:00:54.212>so <01:00:54.339>I'm, <01:00:54.466>I'm <01:00:54.594>all <01:00:54.721>for <01:00:54.848>it. <01:00:54.975>I'm, <01:00:55.103>I'm <01:00:55.230>happy <01:00:55.357>it <01:00:55.485>exists.

1425
01:00:57.405 --> 01:01:00.145
<01:00:57.405>Uh, <01:00:57.605>from <01:00:57.805>what <01:00:58.005>I <01:00:58.205>understand <01:00:58.405>is <01:00:58.605>that <01:00:58.805>it's

1426
01:01:02.235 --> 01:01:06.085
<01:01:02.235>beginning <01:01:02.435>to <01:01:02.635>roll <01:01:02.835>out <01:01:03.035>across <01:01:03.235>the <01:01:03.435>different <01:01:03.635>European

1427
01:01:06.405 --> 01:01:10.045
<01:01:06.405>countries <01:01:06.545>one <01:01:06.685>by <01:01:06.825>one, <01:01:06.965>and <01:01:07.105>each <01:01:07.245>of <01:01:07.385>them <01:01:07.525>has <01:01:07.665>the <01:01:07.805>opportunity

1428
01:01:10.185 --> 01:01:11.725
<01:01:10.185>to <01:01:10.531>have <01:01:10.877>their <01:01:11.224>own <01:01:11.571>requirements.

1429
01:01:11.825 --> 01:01:14.965
<01:01:11.825>So <01:01:11.952>right <01:01:12.079>now <01:01:12.206>we're <01:01:12.334>like, <01:01:12.461>uh, <01:01:12.588>in <01:01:12.715>this, <01:01:12.843>in <01:01:12.970>this, <01:01:13.097>uh, <01:01:13.225>phase

1430
01:01:14.965 --> 01:01:16.725
<01:01:14.965>where <01:01:15.665>we're, <01:01:16.365>uh,

1431
01:01:19.025 --> 01:01:21.365
<01:01:19.025>trying <01:01:19.305>the <01:01:19.585>best, <01:01:19.865>uh, <01:01:20.145>to <01:01:20.425>accommodate

1432
01:01:21.465 --> 01:01:26.125
<01:01:21.465>and <01:01:21.605>then <01:01:21.745>we'll <01:01:21.885>see <01:01:22.025>what <01:01:22.165>each <01:01:22.305>country, <01:01:22.445>uh, <01:01:22.585>has <01:01:22.725>in <01:01:22.865>terms

1433
01:01:26.145 --> 01:01:28.085
<01:01:26.145>of <01:01:26.425>like <01:01:26.705>the <01:01:26.985>diffs <01:01:27.265>between <01:01:27.545>them.

1434
01:01:28.145 --> 01:01:30.165
<01:01:28.145>But <01:01:28.495>yeah, <01:01:28.845>if <01:01:29.195>you're, <01:01:29.545>frankly,

1435
01:01:30.225 --> 01:01:32.445
<01:01:30.225>if <01:01:30.458>you've <01:01:30.691>been <01:01:30.924>cared <01:01:31.158>about <01:01:31.391>accessibility <01:01:31.625>beforehand

1436
01:01:32.665 --> 01:01:34.525
<01:01:32.665>and <01:01:32.865>you've <01:01:33.065>been <01:01:33.265>testing <01:01:33.465>and <01:01:33.665>you <01:01:33.865>didn't <01:01:34.065>try

1437
01:01:34.525 --> 01:01:36.445
<01:01:34.525>to <01:01:34.725>get <01:01:34.925>sued <01:01:35.125>in <01:01:35.325>the <01:01:35.525>US, <01:01:35.725>then <01:01:35.925>you're

1438
01:01:36.885 --> 01:01:37.965
<01:01:36.885>probably <01:01:37.079>in <01:01:37.273>a <01:01:37.468>pretty <01:01:37.662>good <01:01:37.857>state.

1439
01:01:38.315 --> 01:01:40.325
<01:01:38.315>It's <01:01:38.548>really <01:01:38.781>just <01:01:39.015>this <01:01:39.248>like <01:01:39.481>extra <01:01:39.715>push

1440
01:01:40.325 --> 01:01:41.365
<01:01:40.325>for <01:01:40.636>motivation <01:01:40.948>right <01:01:41.261>now.

1441
01:01:42.075 --> 01:01:45.615
<01:01:42.075>Mm-hmm. <01:01:42.274>Yeah. <01:01:42.475>It's, <01:01:42.674>uh, <01:01:42.875>it's <01:01:43.075>an <01:01:43.274>interesting <01:01:43.475>one.

1442
01:01:45.615 --> 01:01:46.895
<01:01:45.615>I <01:01:45.807>mean, <01:01:45.999>um, <01:01:46.191>Italy <01:01:46.383>had <01:01:46.575>their <01:01:46.767>own

1443
01:01:47.075 --> 01:01:49.855
<01:01:47.075>and <01:01:47.202>uh, <01:01:47.329>uh, <01:01:47.456>France <01:01:47.584>had <01:01:47.711>their <01:01:47.838>own <01:01:47.965>Germany <01:01:48.093>at <01:01:48.220>their <01:01:48.347>own, <01:01:48.475>so

1444
01:01:49.855 --> 01:01:52.455
<01:01:49.855>that <01:01:49.995>we <01:01:50.135>had <01:01:50.275>to, <01:01:50.415>when <01:01:50.555>whenever <01:01:50.695>it <01:01:50.835>did <01:01:50.975>to <01:01:51.115>do <01:01:51.255>compliance

1445
01:01:52.515 --> 01:01:55.175
<01:01:52.515>for <01:01:52.670>like <01:01:52.826>our <01:01:52.981>developer <01:01:53.137>tools, <01:01:53.292>it <01:01:53.448>was <01:01:53.603>just <01:01:53.759>sometimes <01:01:53.915>painful

1446
01:01:55.325 --> 01:01:56.815
<01:01:55.325>what <01:01:55.492>we <01:01:55.660>had <01:01:55.827>to <01:01:55.995>do <01:01:56.163>for <01:01:56.330>each <01:01:56.498>of <01:01:56.666>them.

1447
01:01:57.045 --> 01:01:59.415
<01:01:57.045>Yeah. <01:01:57.200>So <01:01:57.356>I'm <01:01:57.511>happy <01:01:57.667>it <01:01:57.822>actually <01:01:57.978>becomes <01:01:58.133>now <01:01:58.289>one <01:01:58.445>thing

1448
01:01:59.415 --> 01:02:02.015
<01:01:59.415>for <01:01:59.648>the <01:01:59.881>European, <01:02:00.115>uh, <01:02:00.348>uh, <01:02:00.581>whole <01:02:00.815>area.

1449
01:02:02.315 --> 01:02:05.135
<01:02:02.315>And, <01:02:02.470>uh, <01:02:02.626>there's <01:02:02.781>also <01:02:02.937>a <01:02:03.092>lot <01:02:03.248>of <01:02:03.403>like <01:02:03.559>comparisons, <01:02:03.715>like

1450
01:02:05.135 --> 01:02:06.135
<01:02:05.135>what <01:02:05.285>does <01:02:05.435>it <01:02:05.585>mean <01:02:05.735>with <01:02:05.885>back <01:02:06.035>act?

1451
01:02:06.135 --> 01:02:08.415
<01:02:06.135>What <01:02:06.275>does <01:02:06.415>it <01:02:06.555>mean <01:02:06.695>with <01:02:06.835>the <01:02:06.975>American <01:02:07.115>5 <01:02:07.255>0 <01:02:07.395>8 <01:02:07.535>standard?

1452
01:02:08.445 --> 01:02:11.305
<01:02:08.445>Like, <01:02:08.678>you <01:02:08.911>can <01:02:09.145>geek <01:02:09.378>out <01:02:09.611>about <01:02:09.845>this,

1453
01:02:11.405 --> 01:02:14.105
<01:02:11.405>but <01:02:11.560>basically, <01:02:11.716>I <01:02:11.871>like <01:02:12.027>that <01:02:12.182>this <01:02:12.338>one <01:02:12.493>explains <01:02:12.649>to <01:02:12.805>you

1454
01:02:14.105 --> 01:02:17.065
<01:02:14.105>what <01:02:14.232>you <01:02:14.359>need <01:02:14.486>to <01:02:14.614>do, <01:02:14.741>just <01:02:14.868>to <01:02:14.995>have <01:02:15.123>it <01:02:15.250>in <01:02:15.377>your <01:02:15.505>statement.

1455
01:02:17.165 --> 01:02:20.805
<01:02:17.165>And <01:02:17.281>then, <01:02:17.398>uh, <01:02:17.515>and <01:02:17.631>I <01:02:17.748>think, <01:02:17.865>uh, <01:02:17.981>much <01:02:18.098>like <01:02:18.215>a <01:02:18.331>code <01:02:18.448>of <01:02:18.565>conduct

1456
01:02:22.175 --> 01:02:24.385
<01:02:22.175>posting <01:02:22.350>it <01:02:22.525>that <01:02:22.700>you <01:02:22.875>have, <01:02:23.050>it <01:02:23.225>is <01:02:23.400>not <01:02:23.575>enough.

1457
01:02:24.485 --> 01:02:26.265
<01:02:24.485>You <01:02:24.718>also <01:02:24.951>have <01:02:25.185>to <01:02:25.418>enforce <01:02:25.651>the <01:02:25.885>thing

1458
01:02:26.325 --> 01:02:27.745
<01:02:26.325>and <01:02:26.507>make <01:02:26.690>sure <01:02:26.872>that <01:02:27.055>you <01:02:27.237>do <01:02:27.420>the <01:02:27.603>things

1459
01:02:27.745 --> 01:02:28.825
<01:02:27.745>that <01:02:27.988>are <01:02:28.231>in <01:02:28.473>your <01:02:28.716>statement.

1460
01:02:29.735 --> 01:02:32.905
<01:02:29.735>Yeah. <01:02:29.862>I, <01:02:29.989>I <01:02:30.116>assume <01:02:30.244>I <01:02:30.371>have <01:02:30.498>not <01:02:30.625>seen <01:02:30.753>this, <01:02:30.880>uh, <01:02:31.007>page <01:02:31.135>specific.

1461
01:02:32.905 --> 01:02:34.145
<01:02:32.905>Yeah. <01:02:33.091>I <01:02:33.277>assume <01:02:33.463>it's <01:02:33.649>something <01:02:33.835>like <01:02:34.021>a

1462
01:02:34.665 --> 01:02:36.185
<01:02:34.665>somewhat <01:02:35.121>automated <01:02:35.577>VPA <01:02:36.033>generator.

1463
01:02:36.205 --> 01:02:38.785
<01:02:36.205>I'm <01:02:36.345>not <01:02:36.485>sure <01:02:36.625>if <01:02:36.765>you've <01:02:36.904>heard <01:02:37.045>about <01:02:37.185>vpa <01:02:37.325>s <01:02:37.465>it's <01:02:37.605>like

1464
01:02:38.785 --> 01:02:41.065
<01:02:38.785>that <01:02:39.065>we're <01:02:39.345>working <01:02:39.625>on <01:02:39.904>it, <01:02:40.185>right.

1465
01:02:41.385 --> 01:02:42.385
<01:02:41.385>And, <01:02:41.835>uh, <01:02:42.285>with

1466
01:02:44.815 --> 01:02:45.815
<01:02:44.815>Like <01:02:45.040>A <01:02:45.265>big <01:02:45.490>spinner. <01:02:45.715>Yeah.

1467
01:02:45.815 --> 01:02:47.025
<01:02:45.815>Uh, <01:02:46.359>and <01:02:46.904>I,

1468
01:02:47.065 --> 01:02:48.825
<01:02:47.065>I <01:02:47.265>assume <01:02:47.465>this <01:02:47.665>is <01:02:47.865>something <01:02:48.065>along <01:02:48.265>those <01:02:48.465>lines

1469
01:02:48.825 --> 01:02:51.865
<01:02:48.825>that <01:02:48.980>you're <01:02:49.136>creating <01:02:49.291>a <01:02:49.447>vpa <01:02:49.602>uh, <01:02:49.758>that <01:02:49.913>uh, <01:02:50.069>folks <01:02:50.225>that

1470
01:02:52.605 --> 01:02:55.225
<01:02:52.605>see <01:02:52.805>a <01:02:53.005>website, <01:02:53.205>uh, <01:02:53.405>can, <01:02:53.605>can <01:02:53.805>look <01:02:54.005>at

1471
01:02:55.365 --> 01:03:00.225
<01:02:55.365>and <01:02:55.564>say, <01:02:55.765>okay, <01:02:55.964>this <01:02:56.165>is <01:02:56.365>now <01:02:56.564>you <01:02:56.765>telling

1472
01:03:01.125 --> 01:03:04.625
<01:03:01.125>the <01:03:01.300>world <01:03:01.475>that <01:03:01.650>you're <01:03:01.825>actively, <01:03:02.000>uh, <01:03:02.175>in <01:03:02.350>the <01:03:02.525>process

1473
01:03:04.725 --> 01:03:06.425
<01:03:04.725>of <01:03:05.191>embracing <01:03:05.658>accessibility <01:03:06.125>standards.

1474
01:03:06.605 --> 01:03:09.565
<01:03:06.605>And <01:03:06.805>so <01:03:07.005>you're <01:03:07.205>not <01:03:07.405>getting <01:03:07.605>sued <01:03:07.805>right <01:03:08.005>now.

1475
01:03:09.585 --> 01:03:13.045
<01:03:09.585>But <01:03:09.740>that <01:03:09.896>is <01:03:10.051>not <01:03:10.207>something <01:03:10.362>that <01:03:10.518>you <01:03:10.673>can <01:03:10.829>use <01:03:10.985>infinity.

1476
01:03:13.075 --> 01:03:16.085
<01:03:13.075>It's <01:03:13.230>in, <01:03:13.386>uh, <01:03:13.541>in <01:03:13.697>contrary, <01:03:13.852>it's <01:03:14.008>something <01:03:14.163>that <01:03:14.319>that <01:03:14.475>tells,

1477
01:03:16.145 --> 01:03:19.045
<01:03:16.145>uh, <01:03:16.300>very <01:03:16.456>clearly <01:03:16.611>that <01:03:16.767>yes, <01:03:16.922>you're <01:03:17.078>working <01:03:17.233>on <01:03:17.389>it, <01:03:17.545>uh,

1478
01:03:19.145 --> 01:03:20.685
<01:03:19.145>and <01:03:19.422>now <01:03:19.699>it's <01:03:19.976>expected <01:03:20.253>for <01:03:20.531>you

1479
01:03:20.685 --> 01:03:22.445
<01:03:20.685>to <01:03:20.965>have <01:03:21.245>progress <01:03:21.525>over <01:03:21.805>this. <01:03:22.085>Right.

1480
01:03:23.435 --> 01:03:26.325
<01:03:23.435>Well, <01:03:23.562>last <01:03:23.689>bit <01:03:23.816>we <01:03:23.944>have <01:03:24.071>here <01:03:24.198>is <01:03:24.325>an <01:03:24.453>interesting <01:03:24.580>one <01:03:24.707>as <01:03:24.835>well.

1481
01:03:26.985 --> 01:03:29.925
<01:03:26.985>Uh, <01:03:27.125>there's <01:03:27.265>basically, <01:03:27.405>it's <01:03:27.545>a, <01:03:27.685>it's <01:03:27.825>an <01:03:27.965>MPM <01:03:28.105>module, <01:03:28.245>I <01:03:28.385>think,

1482
01:03:30.105 --> 01:03:33.245
<01:03:30.105>uh, <01:03:30.305>that <01:03:30.505>is <01:03:30.705>basically, <01:03:30.905>uh, <01:03:31.105>improved <01:03:31.305>relative <01:03:31.505>time.

1483
01:03:33.425 --> 01:03:37.985
<01:03:33.425>So <01:03:33.552>instead <01:03:33.679>of <01:03:33.806>just <01:03:33.934>saying <01:03:34.061>like <01:03:34.188>when, <01:03:34.315>uh, <01:03:34.443>day <01:03:34.570>zero <01:03:34.697>when, <01:03:34.825>uh,

1484
01:03:38.045 --> 01:03:41.025
<01:03:38.045>uh, <01:03:38.200>Jesus <01:03:38.356>was <01:03:38.511>born, <01:03:38.667>you <01:03:38.822>can <01:03:38.978>actually <01:03:39.133>do <01:03:39.289>like <01:03:39.445>adhesive

1485
01:03:41.165 --> 01:03:42.665
<01:03:41.165>and <01:03:41.840>al <01:03:42.515>fermentation

1486
01:03:43.005 --> 01:03:46.625
<01:03:43.005>and <01:03:43.205>automatics, <01:03:43.405>atomic <01:03:43.605>clock, <01:03:43.805>all <01:03:44.005>kind <01:03:44.205>of <01:03:44.405>stuff.

1487
01:03:46.735 --> 01:03:48.545
<01:03:46.735>It's <01:03:47.015>just <01:03:47.295>absolutely <01:03:47.575>hilarious <01:03:47.855>what <01:03:48.135>kind

1488
01:03:48.545 --> 01:03:52.145
<01:03:48.545>of <01:03:48.661>ways <01:03:48.778>you <01:03:48.895>can <01:03:49.011>send <01:03:49.128>do, <01:03:49.245>you <01:03:49.361>can, <01:03:49.478>uh, <01:03:49.595>do <01:03:49.711>time <01:03:49.828>with <01:03:49.945>that.

1489
01:03:52.645 --> 01:03:54.665
<01:03:52.645>And <01:03:52.800>I <01:03:52.956>guess <01:03:53.111>it's <01:03:53.267>a, <01:03:53.422>uh, <01:03:53.578>I <01:03:53.733>guess <01:03:53.889>it's <01:03:54.045>Glip,

1490
01:03:54.665 --> 01:03:56.105
<01:03:54.665>but <01:03:54.850>at <01:03:55.035>the <01:03:55.220>same <01:03:55.405>time <01:03:55.590>it <01:03:55.775>just <01:03:55.961>shows

1491
01:03:56.165 --> 01:03:58.145
<01:03:56.165>how <01:03:56.365>much <01:03:56.565>the <01:03:56.765>JavaScript <01:03:56.965>world <01:03:57.165>is <01:03:57.365>thinking <01:03:57.565>about

1492
01:03:58.145 --> 01:03:59.185
<01:03:58.145>date <01:03:58.379>and <01:03:58.613>time <01:03:58.846>right <01:03:59.081>now.

1493
01:03:59.345 --> 01:04:02.865
<01:03:59.345>I <01:03:59.472>mean, <01:03:59.599>Dan, <01:03:59.726>you <01:03:59.854>looked <01:03:59.981>at <01:04:00.108>the, <01:04:00.235>into <01:04:00.363>the, <01:04:00.490>uh, <01:04:00.617>temporal <01:04:00.745>API

1494
01:04:02.885 --> 01:04:06.315
<01:04:02.885>and <01:04:02.992>I <01:04:03.100>think <01:04:03.208>this <01:04:03.315>is <01:04:03.423>just <01:04:03.531>a, <01:04:03.638>a, <01:04:03.746>a <01:04:03.854>p**s <01:04:03.961>takes <01:04:04.069>version <01:04:04.177>of <01:04:04.285>it.

1495
01:04:06.905 --> 01:04:09.155
<01:04:06.905>Yeah. <01:04:07.060>I'm <01:04:07.216>desperate <01:04:07.371>for <01:04:07.527>the <01:04:07.682>temporal <01:04:07.838>a <01:04:07.993>PII <01:04:08.149>really <01:04:08.305>am,

1496
01:04:09.215 --> 01:04:11.035
<01:04:09.215>you <01:04:09.355>know, <01:04:09.495>I <01:04:09.635>was <01:04:09.775>actually <01:04:09.915>looking <01:04:10.055>at <01:04:10.195>it <01:04:10.335>last <01:04:10.475>night <01:04:10.615>just

1497
01:04:11.155 --> 01:04:12.315
<01:04:11.155>'cause <01:04:11.271>I <01:04:11.387>was <01:04:11.503>dealing <01:04:11.619>with <01:04:11.735>dates <01:04:11.851>and <01:04:11.967>I <01:04:12.083>just <01:04:12.199>went

1498
01:04:12.315 --> 01:04:14.435
<01:04:12.315>and <01:04:12.415>had <01:04:12.515>a <01:04:12.615>look <01:04:12.715>at <01:04:12.815>the <01:04:12.915>page <01:04:13.015>and <01:04:13.115>it <01:04:13.215>was <01:04:13.315>almost <01:04:13.415>like <01:04:13.515>a, <01:04:13.615>this <01:04:13.715>is

1499
01:04:14.435 --> 01:04:16.395
<01:04:14.435>what <01:04:14.562>we <01:04:14.689>could <01:04:14.816>have, <01:04:14.944>you <01:04:15.071>know, <01:04:15.198>this <01:04:15.325>could <01:04:15.453>be <01:04:15.580>so <01:04:15.707>much <01:04:15.835>fun.

1500
01:04:16.775 --> 01:04:18.235
<01:04:16.775>Uh, <01:04:16.962>but <01:04:17.150>yeah, <01:04:17.338>no, <01:04:17.525>I <01:04:17.713>love <01:04:17.901>that <01:04:18.089>though.

1501
01:04:18.295 --> 01:04:20.155
<01:04:18.295>The, <01:04:18.575>the, <01:04:18.855>the, <01:04:19.135>the <01:04:19.415>relative <01:04:19.695>time.

1502
01:04:20.395 --> 01:04:21.635
<01:04:20.395>I <01:04:20.581>mean, <01:04:20.767>it's <01:04:20.953>so, <01:04:21.139>it's <01:04:21.325>so <01:04:21.511>clever.

1503
01:04:21.875 --> 01:04:23.155
<01:04:21.875>'cause <01:04:22.019>actually <01:04:22.163>each <01:04:22.307>of <01:04:22.451>those, <01:04:22.595>like <01:04:22.739>you <01:04:22.883>just <01:04:23.026>showed,

1504
01:04:23.155 --> 01:04:24.795
<01:04:23.154>goes <01:04:23.354>out <01:04:23.555>to <01:04:23.754>the <01:04:23.955>Wikipedia <01:04:24.154>page <01:04:24.354>as <01:04:24.555>well.

1505
01:04:25.015 --> 01:04:27.195
<01:04:25.015>And <01:04:25.170>I <01:04:25.326>mean, <01:04:25.481>I <01:04:25.637>dunno <01:04:25.792>how <01:04:25.948>easily <01:04:26.103>even <01:04:26.259>done <01:04:26.415>that.

1506
01:04:27.195 --> 01:04:28.515
<01:04:27.195>I'm <01:04:27.393>assuming <01:04:27.591>that's <01:04:27.789>just <01:04:27.987>built <01:04:28.185>on <01:04:28.383>top

1507
01:04:28.515 --> 01:04:29.915
<01:04:28.515>of <01:04:28.830>like, <01:04:29.145>you <01:04:29.460>know, <01:04:29.775>yeah.

1508
01:04:30.185 --> 01:04:32.395
<01:04:30.185>It's <01:04:30.312>an <01:04:30.439>MPM <01:04:30.566>package. <01:04:30.694>So <01:04:30.821>built <01:04:30.948>on <01:04:31.075>top <01:04:31.203>of <01:04:31.330>normal, <01:04:31.457>he's <01:04:31.585>had

1509
01:04:32.395 --> 01:04:35.475
<01:04:32.395>to <01:04:32.550>deal <01:04:32.706>with <01:04:32.861>normal <01:04:33.017>JavaScript <01:04:33.172>dates <01:04:33.328>in <01:04:33.483>order <01:04:33.639>to <01:04:33.795>get

1510
01:04:35.775 --> 01:04:36.835
<01:04:35.775>to <01:04:36.093>that, <01:04:36.411>so <01:04:36.729>that

1511
01:04:36.905 --> 01:04:37.905
<01:04:36.904>Yeah. <01:04:37.129>And <01:04:37.354>then <01:04:37.580>they <01:04:37.805>scrape

1512
01:04:37.905 --> 01:04:39.675
<01:04:37.904>Wikipedia <01:04:38.254>for <01:04:38.604>something <01:04:38.955>that <01:04:39.305>matches

1513
01:04:39.745 --> 01:04:41.755
<01:04:39.745>that <01:04:40.095>specific <01:04:40.444>time, <01:04:40.795>I <01:04:41.145>assume.

1514
01:04:41.755 --> 01:04:43.355
<01:04:41.755>Yeah. <01:04:43.155>Impressive.

1515
01:04:43.355 --> 01:04:47.435
<01:04:43.355>Well, <01:04:43.482>I, <01:04:43.609>I, <01:04:43.736>I <01:04:43.864>can't <01:04:43.991>wait <01:04:44.118>until <01:04:44.245>we <01:04:44.373>start <01:04:44.500>referring <01:04:44.627>to, <01:04:44.755>hey,

1516
01:04:47.755 --> 01:04:50.155
<01:04:47.755>remember <01:04:48.035>around <01:04:48.315>2K <01:04:48.595>AA <01:04:48.875>or <01:04:49.155>2.4?

1517
01:04:50.895 --> 01:04:52.475
<01:04:50.895>It, <01:04:51.095>it, <01:04:51.295>it <01:04:51.495>just <01:04:51.695>falls <01:04:51.895>off <01:04:52.095>the <01:04:52.295>time.

1518
01:04:52.625 --> 01:04:54.195
<01:04:52.625>It's <01:04:52.975>intuitive. <01:04:53.325>That's <01:04:53.675>what <01:04:54.025>it's

1519
01:04:54.585 --> 01:04:55.675
<01:04:54.585>When <01:04:54.830>getting <01:04:55.075>the <01:04:55.320>right <01:04:55.566>vote.

1520
01:04:55.695 --> 01:04:57.475
<01:04:55.695>New <01:04:55.975>K <01:04:56.255>three, <01:04:56.535>it's <01:04:56.815>30 <01:04:57.095>BIC

1521
01:04:58.735 --> 01:04:59.995
<01:04:58.735>Before <01:04:59.113>the <01:04:59.491>integrated <01:04:59.868>circuit.

1522
01:05:01.215 --> 01:05:04.755
<01:05:01.215>Lovely. <01:05:01.565>Yeah. <01:05:01.915>Brilliant. <01:05:02.265>Cool. <01:05:02.615>Imaginative.

1523
01:05:04.865 --> 01:05:07.035
<01:05:04.865>Well, <01:05:05.064>I <01:05:05.265>mean, <01:05:05.464>uh, <01:05:05.665>we're <01:05:05.865>almost <01:05:06.064>outta <01:05:06.265>time

1524
01:05:07.095 --> 01:05:08.315
<01:05:07.095>and, <01:05:07.314>uh, <01:05:07.534>well, <01:05:07.753>we're <01:05:07.973>over <01:05:08.193>time.

1525
01:05:08.655 --> 01:05:11.435
<01:05:08.654>Uh, <01:05:08.782>but, <01:05:08.909>uh, <01:05:09.036>uh, <01:05:09.164>it <01:05:09.291>was <01:05:09.418>great <01:05:09.545>to <01:05:09.673>have <01:05:09.800>you <01:05:09.927>again, <01:05:10.055>Dirk.

1526
01:05:11.505 --> 01:05:12.715
<01:05:11.505>It's <01:05:11.722>always <01:05:11.940>fun <01:05:12.158>to <01:05:12.376>see <01:05:12.594>you.

1527
01:05:12.815 --> 01:05:13.995
<01:05:12.815>Uh, <01:05:13.877>uh,

1528
01:05:14.075 --> 01:05:16.315
<01:05:14.075>I <01:05:14.202>remember <01:05:14.329>the <01:05:14.456>time <01:05:14.584>when <01:05:14.711>I <01:05:14.838>visited <01:05:14.965>you <01:05:15.093>in <01:05:15.220>the <01:05:15.347>Silicon <01:05:15.475>Valley

1529
01:05:16.315 --> 01:05:17.520
<01:05:16.315>and <01:05:16.531>like <01:05:16.748>went <01:05:16.965>to <01:05:17.182>the <01:05:17.399>airport

1530
01:05:17.625 --> 01:05:20.405
<01:05:17.625>and, <01:05:17.752>uh, <01:05:17.879>opened <01:05:18.006>the <01:05:18.134>boot <01:05:18.261>of <01:05:18.388>my <01:05:18.515>car <01:05:18.643>to <01:05:18.770>get <01:05:18.897>you <01:05:19.025>something

1531
01:05:20.405 --> 01:05:21.485
<01:05:20.404>and <01:05:20.647>your <01:05:20.891>dog <01:05:21.134>jumped <01:05:21.377>in

1532
01:05:21.485 --> 01:05:26.325
<01:05:21.485>and <01:05:21.625>she <01:05:21.765>wanted <01:05:21.905>to <01:05:22.045>come <01:05:22.185>with <01:05:22.325>me <01:05:22.465>just <01:05:22.605>like, <01:05:22.745>I'm <01:05:22.885>like,

1533
01:05:26.325 --> 01:05:27.605
<01:05:26.325>I'm, <01:05:26.489>I'm <01:05:26.654>on <01:05:26.818>the <01:05:26.983>way <01:05:27.147>to <01:05:27.312>the <01:05:27.477>airport

1534
01:05:27.665 --> 01:05:30.325
<01:05:27.665>and <01:05:27.792>I <01:05:27.919>just <01:05:28.046>got <01:05:28.174>some <01:05:28.301>bottler <01:05:28.428>or <01:05:28.555>something <01:05:28.683>out <01:05:28.810>of <01:05:28.937>the <01:05:29.065>boot

1535
01:05:30.325 --> 01:05:31.605
<01:05:30.325>and <01:05:30.517>basically <01:05:30.709>the <01:05:30.901>dog <01:05:31.093>just <01:05:31.285>jumped <01:05:31.477>in

1536
01:05:31.605 --> 01:05:33.685
<01:05:31.605>and <01:05:31.780>they're <01:05:31.955>like, <01:05:32.130>oh, <01:05:32.305>walkies, <01:05:32.480>we're <01:05:32.655>gonna <01:05:32.830>drive <01:05:33.005>somewhere.

1537
01:05:33.685 --> 01:05:35.245
<01:05:33.685>That <01:05:34.035>was <01:05:34.384>just <01:05:34.735>wonderful. <01:05:35.085>Obviously.

1538
01:05:35.565 --> 01:05:37.485
<01:05:35.565>I <01:05:35.765>know <01:05:35.965>I <01:05:36.165>would've <01:05:36.365>loved <01:05:36.565>to <01:05:36.765>jump <01:05:36.965>into

1539
01:05:39.035 --> 01:05:40.525
<01:05:39.035>Such <01:05:40.376>love,

1540
01:05:43.665 --> 01:05:44.885
<01:05:43.665>Dan, <01:05:43.821>it's <01:05:43.978>very <01:05:44.135>nice <01:05:44.292>to <01:05:44.449>meet <01:05:44.606>you <01:05:44.763>too.

1541
01:05:45.585 --> 01:05:46.925
<01:05:45.585>I'm <01:05:45.719>you <01:05:45.853>and <01:05:45.987>you. <01:05:46.121>It <01:05:46.255>was <01:05:46.389>great <01:05:46.523>to <01:05:46.657>meet <01:05:46.791>you.

1542
01:05:46.925 --> 01:05:48.005
<01:05:46.925>We <01:05:47.046>love <01:05:47.168>to <01:05:47.289>have <01:05:47.411>you <01:05:47.532>on <01:05:47.654>the <01:05:47.775>show <01:05:47.897>again.

1543
01:05:48.825 --> 01:05:51.165
<01:05:48.825>Oh, <01:05:48.941>I'd <01:05:49.058>be <01:05:49.174>kicked <01:05:49.291>out <01:05:49.408>of <01:05:49.524>the <01:05:49.641>room <01:05:49.758>as <01:05:49.875>well. <01:05:49.991>So <01:05:50.108>that's <01:05:50.225>time.

1544
01:05:51.555 --> 01:05:53.005
<01:05:51.555>Cool. <01:05:51.881>So <01:05:52.207>that <01:05:52.533>was <01:05:52.860>it

1545
01:05:53.005 --> 01:05:54.925
<01:05:53.005>with <01:05:53.238>we <01:05:53.471>are <01:05:53.705>developers <01:05:53.938>live <01:05:54.171>for <01:05:54.405>today.

1546
01:05:55.265 --> 01:05:56.405
<01:05:55.265>Uh, <01:05:55.521>see <01:05:55.778>you <01:05:56.034>next <01:05:56.290>Wednesday,

1547
01:05:56.465 --> 01:05:58.165
<01:05:56.465>and <01:05:56.640>the <01:05:56.815>recording <01:05:56.990>of <01:05:57.165>this <01:05:57.340>will <01:05:57.515>be <01:05:57.690>out <01:05:57.865>soon.

1548
01:05:58.165 --> 01:05:59.205
<01:05:58.165>So <01:05:58.352>see <01:05:58.539>you <01:05:58.726>in <01:05:58.913>the <01:05:59.101>recording.

1549
01:05:59.665 --> 01:06:02.445
<01:05:59.665>And, <01:05:59.820>uh, <01:05:59.976>well, <01:06:00.131>thanks <01:06:00.287>for <01:06:00.442>Dirk, <01:06:00.598>uh, <01:06:00.753>for <01:06:00.909>visiting <01:06:01.065>us

1550
01:06:02.505 --> 01:06:03.885
<01:06:02.505>and <01:06:02.753>thanks <01:06:03.001>for <01:06:03.250>Dan <01:06:03.498>for <01:06:03.747>hosting

1551
01:06:04.105 --> 01:06:06.205
<01:06:04.105>and <01:06:04.280>all <01:06:04.455>the <01:06:04.630>people <01:06:04.805>involved <01:06:04.980>of <01:06:05.155>making <01:06:05.330>this <01:06:05.505>happen.

1552
01:06:06.385 --> 01:06:07.845
<01:06:06.385>And <01:06:06.604>thanks <01:06:06.823>for <01:06:07.042>all <01:06:07.261>of <01:06:07.480>you <01:06:07.699>chatting

1553
01:06:07.985 --> 01:06:09.885
<01:06:07.985>and <01:06:08.140>being <01:06:08.296>here <01:06:08.451>with <01:06:08.607>us. <01:06:08.762>So <01:06:08.918>see <01:06:09.073>you <01:06:09.229>next <01:06:09.385>week.

1554
01:06:10.335 --> 01:06:10.765
<01:06:10.335>Thank <01:06:10.721>you.