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375
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<00:15:50.645>that <00:15:50.845>looks <00:15:51.045>like <00:15:51.245>this <00:15:51.444>one <00:15:51.645>and <00:15:51.845>it's <00:15:52.045>expensive,

376
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<00:15:53.185>or <00:15:53.680>it's <00:15:54.175>whatever.

377
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<00:15:54.625>So <00:15:54.780>then <00:15:54.936>you're <00:15:55.091>going <00:15:55.247>to <00:15:55.402>bring <00:15:55.558>the, <00:15:55.713>this <00:15:55.869>thoughts <00:15:56.025>onto

378
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<00:15:57.955>that <00:15:58.427>site, <00:15:58.900>right?

379
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<00:15:59.105>So <00:15:59.305>maybe <00:15:59.505>always <00:15:59.705>trying <00:15:59.905>to <00:16:00.105>put <00:16:00.305>some <00:16:00.505>kind

380
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<00:16:01.205>of <00:16:01.484>personal <00:16:01.763>style <00:16:02.042>on <00:16:02.321>it.

381
00:16:02.825 --> 00:16:05.445
<00:16:02.825>And <00:16:03.058>I <00:16:03.291>was <00:16:03.525>reading <00:16:03.758>this <00:16:03.991>article <00:16:04.225>before,

382
00:16:05.485 --> 00:16:07.765
<00:16:05.485>and <00:16:05.640>one <00:16:05.796>of <00:16:05.951>the <00:16:06.107>things <00:16:06.262>that <00:16:06.418>they <00:16:06.573>mentioned <00:16:06.729>was <00:16:06.885>nostalgia.

383
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<00:16:08.305>Um, <00:16:08.505>but <00:16:08.704>I'm <00:16:08.905>like, <00:16:09.104>does <00:16:09.305>it <00:16:09.505>really <00:16:09.704>work?

384
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<00:16:10.965>Because <00:16:11.198>like, <00:16:11.431>you <00:16:11.665>know, <00:16:11.898>uh, <00:16:12.131>people <00:16:12.365>grow,

385
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<00:16:14.665>but <00:16:14.839>other <00:16:15.015>people <00:16:15.189>come <00:16:15.365>so <00:16:15.540>they <00:16:15.714>are <00:16:15.890>not <00:16:16.064>going

386
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<00:16:17.205>to <00:16:17.565>feel <00:16:17.925>nostalgia <00:16:18.285>anymore.

387
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<00:16:18.405>They're <00:16:18.545>like, <00:16:18.685>this <00:16:18.824>is <00:16:18.964>ugly. <00:16:19.105>I'm <00:16:19.245>not <00:16:19.385>going <00:16:19.525>to <00:16:19.665>be <00:16:19.805>here.

388
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<00:16:20.745>So <00:16:20.945>I <00:16:21.145>don't <00:16:21.345>know <00:16:21.545>if <00:16:21.745>it's, <00:16:21.945>um, <00:16:22.145>a

389
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<00:16:24.345>or <00:16:24.500>feeling <00:16:24.656>like, <00:16:24.811>oh, <00:16:24.967>this <00:16:25.122>is <00:16:25.278>how <00:16:25.433>my <00:16:25.589>block <00:16:25.745>used

390
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<00:16:27.765>to <00:16:28.038>look <00:16:28.312>like <00:16:28.585>10 <00:16:28.859>years <00:16:29.132>ago.

391
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<00:16:29.505>So, <00:16:29.785>yeah, <00:16:30.064>I, <00:16:30.345>I <00:16:30.625>don't <00:16:30.905>know.

392
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<00:16:32.325>I <00:16:32.475>think <00:16:32.625>you've <00:16:32.775>hit <00:16:32.925>the <00:16:33.075>nail <00:16:33.225>on

393
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<00:16:33.325>the <00:16:33.497>head <00:16:33.670>with <00:16:33.843>something <00:16:34.016>there <00:16:34.189>though.

394
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<00:16:34.525>'cause, <00:16:34.665>uh, <00:16:34.805>before <00:16:34.944>I, <00:16:35.084>you <00:16:35.225>know, <00:16:35.365>um, <00:16:35.505>moved <00:16:35.645>into <00:16:35.785>this <00:16:35.925>role,

395
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<00:16:36.965>I <00:16:37.081>was <00:16:37.198>a <00:16:37.315>teacher <00:16:37.431>and <00:16:37.548>I <00:16:37.665>started <00:16:37.781>to <00:16:37.898>see, <00:16:38.015>even <00:16:38.131>in <00:16:38.248>the <00:16:38.365>time

396
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<00:16:39.245>that <00:16:39.515>I <00:16:39.785>was <00:16:40.055>teaching, <00:16:40.325>um,

397
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<00:16:40.655>where <00:16:40.855>when <00:16:41.055>I <00:16:41.255>first <00:16:41.454>started <00:16:41.655>teaching, <00:16:41.855>you <00:16:42.055>know,

398
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<00:16:42.525>I <00:16:42.665>was <00:16:42.805>in <00:16:42.944>my <00:16:43.084>sort <00:16:43.225>of <00:16:43.365>mid <00:16:43.505>twenties, <00:16:43.645>something <00:16:43.785>like <00:16:43.925>that.

399
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<00:16:44.265>So <00:16:44.420>my <00:16:44.576>students <00:16:44.731>were <00:16:44.887>maybe <00:16:45.042>10 <00:16:45.198>years <00:16:45.353>younger <00:16:45.509>than <00:16:45.665>me.

400
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<00:16:47.025>And <00:16:47.225>their <00:16:47.425>design <00:16:47.625>sort <00:16:47.824>of <00:16:48.025>preferences, <00:16:48.225>the <00:16:48.425>things

401
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<00:16:49.285>that <00:16:49.518>they <00:16:49.751>would <00:16:49.985>do <00:16:50.218>were <00:16:50.451>pretty <00:16:50.685>similar

402
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<00:16:51.065>to <00:16:51.265>mine <00:16:51.465>by <00:16:51.665>the <00:16:51.865>end <00:16:52.065>of <00:16:52.265>my <00:16:52.465>career.

403
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<00:16:53.185>So <00:16:53.468>10 <00:16:53.752>years <00:16:54.035>later. <00:16:54.319>So

404
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<00:16:54.445>by <00:16:54.620>this <00:16:54.795>point <00:16:54.970>I'm <00:16:55.145>20 <00:16:55.320>years <00:16:55.495>difference <00:16:55.670>in <00:16:55.845>age.

405
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<00:16:57.005>I <00:16:57.160>noticed <00:16:57.316>that <00:16:57.471>there, <00:16:57.627>the <00:16:57.782>things <00:16:57.938>they <00:16:58.093>wanted <00:16:58.249>to <00:16:58.405>design

406
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<00:16:59.745>to <00:17:00.207>me, <00:17:00.669>I'm <00:17:01.131>gonna,

407
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<00:17:01.305>or <00:17:01.432>any <00:17:01.559>of <00:17:01.686>my <00:17:01.814>students <00:17:01.941>that <00:17:02.068>might <00:17:02.195>be <00:17:02.323>watching <00:17:02.450>this <00:17:02.577>are <00:17:02.704>gonna

408
00:17:03.165 --> 00:17:06.245
<00:17:03.165>hate <00:17:03.305>me, <00:17:03.444>but <00:17:03.584>I, <00:17:03.724>I <00:17:03.865>didn't <00:17:04.004>like, <00:17:04.145>I <00:17:04.284>didn't <00:17:04.425>like <00:17:04.565>any

409
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<00:17:06.244>of <00:17:06.454>the <00:17:06.665>desired <00:17:06.875>decisions <00:17:07.085>they <00:17:07.295>would <00:17:07.504>make

410
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<00:17:07.645>because <00:17:07.819>they <00:17:07.994>were <00:17:08.170>almost <00:17:08.345>part <00:17:08.520>of <00:17:08.694>that <00:17:08.869>neo <00:17:09.045>brutalist.

411
00:17:10.485 --> 00:17:13.205
<00:17:10.484>Like, <00:17:10.625>we <00:17:10.764>are <00:17:10.905>gonna <00:17:11.044>do <00:17:11.185>the <00:17:11.324>opposite <00:17:11.464>of <00:17:11.604>everything <00:17:11.744>before <00:17:11.885>us.

412
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<00:17:13.704>And <00:17:13.845>the <00:17:13.984>colors <00:17:14.125>they <00:17:14.264>would <00:17:14.405>put <00:17:14.544>together <00:17:14.685>would <00:17:14.824>almost <00:17:14.964>be <00:17:15.105>these

413
00:17:16.125 --> 00:17:17.885
<00:17:16.125>clashing, <00:17:16.325>you <00:17:16.525>know, <00:17:16.724>maybe <00:17:16.925>like <00:17:17.125>a <00:17:17.325>bright <00:17:17.525>pink

414
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<00:17:17.905>and <00:17:18.138>a <00:17:18.371>bright, <00:17:18.605>a <00:17:18.838>bright <00:17:19.071>green <00:17:19.305>things

415
00:17:19.525 --> 00:17:20.765
<00:17:19.525>that <00:17:19.684>you <00:17:19.843>think, <00:17:20.003>oh, <00:17:20.162>that's <00:17:20.322>not <00:17:20.481>gonna <00:17:20.641>work.

416
00:17:20.785 --> 00:17:23.005
<00:17:20.785>Why <00:17:20.925>are <00:17:21.065>you <00:17:21.205>doing <00:17:21.345>that? <00:17:21.485>But <00:17:21.625>they <00:17:21.765>would <00:17:21.905>stick <00:17:22.045>with <00:17:22.185>it,

417
00:17:23.005 --> 00:17:25.205
<00:17:23.005>whereas <00:17:23.285>my <00:17:23.565>inclination <00:17:23.845>was <00:17:24.125>to <00:17:24.405>go

418
00:17:25.265 --> 00:17:26.645
<00:17:25.265>as <00:17:25.472>far <00:17:25.679>away <00:17:25.886>from <00:17:26.093>that <00:17:26.300>as <00:17:26.507>possible.

419
00:17:26.745 --> 00:17:29.365
<00:17:26.744>So <00:17:26.919>I <00:17:27.094>think <00:17:27.270>you're <00:17:27.444>onto <00:17:27.619>something <00:17:27.794>time, <00:17:27.969>time <00:17:28.145>moves,

420
00:17:29.425 --> 00:17:30.845
<00:17:29.425>and <00:17:29.607>if, <00:17:29.790>if <00:17:29.972>you <00:17:30.155>are <00:17:30.337>not <00:17:30.520>young, <00:17:30.703>yeah.

421
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<00:17:30.865>If <00:17:31.021>you're <00:17:31.178>not <00:17:31.335>old <00:17:31.492>enough <00:17:31.649>to <00:17:31.806>remember <00:17:31.963>the

422
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<00:17:32.085>nostalgia, <00:17:32.364>it <00:17:32.643>just <00:17:32.922>looks <00:17:33.201>ugly.

423
00:17:34.835 --> 00:17:36.205
<00:17:34.835>Yeah. <00:17:36.068>Well,

424
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<00:17:36.205>that's <00:17:36.379>also <00:17:36.554>the <00:17:36.730>fake <00:17:36.905>nostalgia <00:17:37.080>of <00:17:37.254>things <00:17:37.429>as <00:17:37.605>well.

425
00:17:38.285 --> 00:17:41.245
<00:17:38.285>Like, <00:17:38.412>I <00:17:38.539>mean, <00:17:38.666>when <00:17:38.794>I <00:17:38.921>see <00:17:39.048>like <00:17:39.175>the <00:17:39.303>1980s <00:17:39.430>show, <00:17:39.557>like, <00:17:39.685>like,

426
00:17:41.265 --> 00:17:44.325
<00:17:41.265>uh, <00:17:41.420>uh, <00:17:41.576>um, <00:17:41.731>uh, <00:17:41.887>um, <00:17:42.042>I <00:17:42.198>don't <00:17:42.353>know <00:17:42.509>what, <00:17:42.665>what,

427
00:17:44.325 --> 00:17:46.245
<00:17:44.325>what <00:17:44.500>shows <00:17:44.675>we <00:17:44.850>had, <00:17:45.025>but <00:17:45.200>lots <00:17:45.375>of <00:17:45.550>them <00:17:45.725>were,

428
00:17:46.245 --> 00:17:47.605
<00:17:46.245>looked <00:17:46.489>like <00:17:46.734>the <00:17:46.979>eighties <00:17:47.224>were <00:17:47.469>beautiful

429
00:17:47.625 --> 00:17:49.630
<00:17:47.625>and <00:17:47.825>everything <00:17:48.025>was <00:17:48.225>like <00:17:48.425>neon <00:17:48.625>colors <00:17:48.825>and <00:17:49.025>stuff.

430
00:17:49.630 --> 00:17:51.525
<00:17:49.630>And <00:17:49.863>I'm <00:17:50.096>like, <00:17:50.330>no, <00:17:50.563>everything <00:17:50.796>was <00:17:51.030>orange

431
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<00:17:51.625>and <00:17:51.917>there <00:17:52.210>were <00:17:52.502>ashtrays <00:17:52.795>everywhere.

432
00:17:52.925 --> 00:17:54.965
<00:17:52.925>That's <00:17:53.158>basically <00:17:53.391>how <00:17:53.625>I <00:17:53.858>remember <00:17:54.091>the <00:17:54.325>eighties.

433
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<00:17:55.425>And <00:17:55.600>it's <00:17:55.774>like <00:17:55.950>the <00:17:56.125>design <00:17:56.300>thing <00:17:56.475>was <00:17:56.649>the <00:17:56.825>same.

434
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<00:17:57.995>Like, <00:17:58.150>I <00:17:58.306>mean, <00:17:58.461>the, <00:17:58.617>the <00:17:58.772>font <00:17:58.928>back <00:17:59.083>then, <00:17:59.239>a <00:17:59.395>lot

435
00:18:00.565 --> 00:18:01.845
<00:18:00.565>of <00:18:00.757>the <00:18:00.949>stuff <00:18:01.141>from <00:18:01.333>the <00:18:01.525>early <00:18:01.717>web

436
00:18:01.845 --> 00:18:03.965
<00:18:01.845>that <00:18:02.000>people <00:18:02.156>get <00:18:02.311>super <00:18:02.467>excited <00:18:02.622>about, <00:18:02.778>like <00:18:02.933>as <00:18:03.089>you <00:18:03.245>said,

437
00:18:03.965 --> 00:18:06.285
<00:18:03.965>like <00:18:04.198>the <00:18:04.431>GeoCities <00:18:04.665>and <00:18:04.898>these <00:18:05.131>neo <00:18:05.365>pets

438
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<00:18:06.285>and <00:18:06.460>these <00:18:06.635>kind <00:18:06.810>of <00:18:06.985>things <00:18:07.160>was <00:18:07.335>based <00:18:07.510>on, <00:18:07.685>on,

439
00:18:09.265 --> 00:18:10.365
<00:18:09.265>uh, <00:18:09.760>uh, <00:18:10.255>possibilities.

440
00:18:10.475 --> 00:18:13.005
<00:18:10.475>Like <00:18:10.615>the <00:18:10.754>what, <00:18:10.895>the, <00:18:11.034>what, <00:18:11.175>what <00:18:11.314>it <00:18:11.455>allowed <00:18:11.594>you <00:18:11.735>to <00:18:11.875>do.

441
00:18:13.605 --> 00:18:15.965
<00:18:13.605>I <00:18:13.780>love <00:18:13.955>that <00:18:14.130>history <00:18:14.305>of <00:18:14.480>the <00:18:14.655>web <00:18:14.830>article <00:18:15.005>series

442
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<00:18:16.075>that <00:18:16.215>is <00:18:16.355>happening <00:18:16.495>here <00:18:16.635>on <00:18:16.775>that <00:18:16.915>web, <00:18:17.055>uh, <00:18:17.195>on <00:18:17.335>that <00:18:17.475>website.

443
00:18:19.225 --> 00:18:22.205
<00:18:19.225>And <00:18:19.365>it <00:18:19.504>talked <00:18:19.645>about <00:18:19.784>like <00:18:19.925>in <00:18:20.064>1995 <00:18:20.205>when <00:18:20.344>it <00:18:20.485>started <00:18:20.625>changing

444
00:18:22.225 --> 00:18:24.565
<00:18:22.225>and <00:18:22.380>people <00:18:22.536>had <00:18:22.691>like <00:18:22.847>table <00:18:23.002>layouts <00:18:23.158>out <00:18:23.313>of <00:18:23.469>a <00:18:23.625>sudden.

445
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<00:18:25.145>And <00:18:25.300>I <00:18:25.456>think <00:18:25.611>the <00:18:25.767>biggest <00:18:25.922>thing <00:18:26.078>was <00:18:26.233>back <00:18:26.389>then, <00:18:26.545>um,

446
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<00:18:28.975>movie <00:18:29.208>websites, <00:18:29.441>that <00:18:29.675>was <00:18:29.908>the <00:18:30.141>big <00:18:30.375>thing

447
00:18:30.805 --> 00:18:32.525
<00:18:30.805>where <00:18:31.085>designers <00:18:31.365>can <00:18:31.645>actually, <00:18:31.925>uh, <00:18:32.205>uh,

448
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<00:18:32.545>can <00:18:32.863>actually <00:18:33.181>just <00:18:33.499>play.

449
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<00:18:33.715>Because <00:18:33.889>the <00:18:34.064>website <00:18:34.240>was <00:18:34.415>there <00:18:34.590>to <00:18:34.764>promote <00:18:34.939>the <00:18:35.115>movie

450
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<00:18:36.725>that's <00:18:36.948>in <00:18:37.171>the <00:18:37.394>cinema <00:18:37.617>right <00:18:37.841>now,

451
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<00:18:37.965>and <00:18:38.165>three <00:18:38.365>months <00:18:38.564>later <00:18:38.764>nobody <00:18:38.965>needed <00:18:39.165>that <00:18:39.365>anymore.

452
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<00:18:39.905>So <00:18:40.060>you <00:18:40.216>can <00:18:40.371>go <00:18:40.527>wild <00:18:40.682>as <00:18:40.838>you <00:18:40.993>want <00:18:41.149>to <00:18:41.305>be,

453
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<00:18:42.185>and <00:18:42.527>that's <00:18:42.869>where <00:18:43.211>flashed

454
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<00:18:43.325>and <00:18:43.558>basically <00:18:43.791>shown <00:18:44.025>later <00:18:44.258>on <00:18:44.491>as <00:18:44.725>well,

455
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<00:18:45.685>where <00:18:45.860>it <00:18:46.034>became <00:18:46.210>the <00:18:46.385>big <00:18:46.560>thing <00:18:46.735>to <00:18:46.909>sort <00:18:47.085>out.

456
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<00:18:48.165>But <00:18:48.417>it's <00:18:48.669>interesting <00:18:48.921>to <00:18:49.173>see

457
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<00:18:49.305>how <00:18:49.480>much <00:18:49.655>effort <00:18:49.830>went <00:18:50.005>into <00:18:50.180>making <00:18:50.355>these <00:18:50.530>things <00:18:50.705>possible.

458
00:18:52.965 --> 00:18:55.485
<00:18:52.965>I <00:18:53.105>remember, <00:18:53.245>like <00:18:53.385>my, <00:18:53.524>my <00:18:53.665>whole <00:18:53.804>career <00:18:53.945>at <00:18:54.084>the <00:18:54.225>beginning <00:18:54.365>was

459
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<00:18:55.485>knowing <00:18:55.659>how <00:18:55.834>Internet <00:18:56.010>Explorer <00:18:56.185>four <00:18:56.360>and <00:18:56.534>five <00:18:56.709>renders <00:18:56.885>things

460
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<00:18:58.865>and <00:18:59.005>like <00:18:59.145>how <00:18:59.285>to, <00:18:59.425>how <00:18:59.565>to <00:18:59.705>make <00:18:59.845>A-A-A-A-A, <00:18:59.985>a <00:19:00.125>menu <00:19:00.265>like

461
00:19:03.205 --> 00:19:05.325
<00:19:03.205>that <00:19:03.485>up <00:19:03.764>there <00:19:04.044>that <00:19:04.324>actually <00:19:04.605>scales.

462
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<00:19:05.385>And, <00:19:05.618>but <00:19:05.851>basically <00:19:06.085>it's <00:19:06.318>like, <00:19:06.551>I <00:19:06.785>mean,

463
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<00:19:07.165>the <00:19:07.305>scaling <00:19:07.445>back <00:19:07.585>then <00:19:07.725>was <00:19:07.865>800 <00:19:08.004>by <00:19:08.145>600, <00:19:08.284>640 <00:19:08.425>or <00:19:08.565>1024,

464
00:19:12.005 --> 00:19:14.125
<00:19:12.005>and <00:19:12.180>that <00:19:12.355>was <00:19:12.530>like <00:19:12.705>a <00:19:12.880>few <00:19:13.055>people <00:19:13.230>had <00:19:13.405>1024.

465
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<00:19:14.705>And <00:19:14.938>it's <00:19:15.171>just <00:19:15.405>like <00:19:15.638>interesting <00:19:15.871>to <00:19:16.105>see

466
00:19:16.705 --> 00:19:18.805
<00:19:16.705>how <00:19:16.938>many <00:19:17.171>people <00:19:17.405>push <00:19:17.638>the <00:19:17.871>envelope <00:19:18.105>just

467
00:19:18.865 --> 00:19:20.885
<00:19:18.865>by <00:19:19.098>doing <00:19:19.331>completely <00:19:19.565>wild <00:19:19.798>things <00:19:20.031>as <00:19:20.265>well.

468
00:19:21.555 --> 00:19:25.285
<00:19:21.555>What <00:19:21.682>I <00:19:21.809>find <00:19:21.936>it <00:19:22.064>always <00:19:22.191>fascinating <00:19:22.318>is <00:19:22.445>how <00:19:22.573>many <00:19:22.700>times <00:19:22.827>we <00:19:22.955>try

469
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<00:19:26.345>to <00:19:26.578>make <00:19:26.811>the <00:19:27.045>web <00:19:27.278>be <00:19:27.511>like <00:19:27.745>print.

470
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<00:19:28.825>And <00:19:29.291>oftentimes <00:19:29.758>that's <00:19:30.225>where,

471
00:19:30.405 --> 00:19:32.005
<00:19:30.405>where <00:19:30.754>we <00:19:31.105>then <00:19:31.455>needed <00:19:31.805>multicolor

472
00:19:32.075 --> 00:19:33.485
<00:19:32.075>layouts <00:19:32.328>and <00:19:32.582>these <00:19:32.836>kind <00:19:33.090>of <00:19:33.343>things.

473
00:19:33.625 --> 00:19:36.965
<00:19:33.625>And <00:19:33.765>I, <00:19:33.905>I <00:19:34.045>never <00:19:34.185>understood <00:19:34.325>that, <00:19:34.465>that <00:19:34.605>we <00:19:34.745>didn't <00:19:34.885>embrace <00:19:35.025>it

474
00:19:36.965 --> 00:19:38.885
<00:19:36.965>as <00:19:37.165>a <00:19:37.365>new <00:19:37.564>medium <00:19:37.764>and <00:19:37.965>basically <00:19:38.165>said <00:19:38.365>like,

475
00:19:38.885 --> 00:19:41.045
<00:19:38.885>newspapers <00:19:39.085>should <00:19:39.285>look <00:19:39.485>like <00:19:39.685>newspapers <00:19:39.885>on <00:19:40.085>the <00:19:40.285>web.

476
00:19:41.145 --> 00:19:42.565
<00:19:41.145>It <00:19:41.400>felt <00:19:41.656>like <00:19:41.911>really <00:19:42.167>we <00:19:42.423>saw

477
00:19:42.915 --> 00:19:44.965
<00:19:42.915>that <00:19:43.090>this <00:19:43.264>was <00:19:43.440>always <00:19:43.615>a, <00:19:43.790>a <00:19:43.965>push <00:19:44.139>for <00:19:44.315>people.

478
00:19:44.965 --> 00:19:47.365
<00:19:44.965>Like, <00:19:45.139>now <00:19:45.314>we <00:19:45.490>can <00:19:45.665>finally <00:19:45.840>have <00:19:46.014>the <00:19:46.189>perfect <00:19:46.365>fonts.

479
00:19:47.785 --> 00:19:49.805
<00:19:47.785>And <00:19:47.985>you're <00:19:48.185>like, <00:19:48.385>well, <00:19:48.585>I <00:19:48.785>mean, <00:19:48.985>I <00:19:49.185>like

480
00:19:49.805 --> 00:19:52.045
<00:19:49.805>that <00:19:50.038>basically <00:19:50.271>people <00:19:50.505>can <00:19:50.738>have <00:19:50.971>another <00:19:51.205>font

481
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<00:19:52.095>displaying <00:19:52.398>when <00:19:52.702>they <00:19:53.006>need <00:19:53.310>it.

482
00:19:53.875 --> 00:19:56.845
<00:19:53.875>Like <00:19:54.015>I <00:19:54.155>don't, <00:19:54.295>I'm <00:19:54.435>not <00:19:54.575>in <00:19:54.715>control <00:19:54.855>of <00:19:54.995>the <00:19:55.135>web. <00:19:55.275>Now.

483
00:19:57.225 --> 00:20:00.085
<00:19:57.225>Pen <00:19:57.399>pot <00:19:57.574>allows <00:19:57.750>you <00:19:57.925>to <00:19:58.100>actually <00:19:58.274>do <00:19:58.449>designs, <00:19:58.625>designs

484
00:20:00.085 --> 00:20:02.325
<00:20:00.085>and <00:20:00.365>developers <00:20:00.645>together <00:20:00.925>in <00:20:01.205>like <00:20:01.485>collaboration.

485
00:20:02.945 --> 00:20:05.685
<00:20:02.945>Do <00:20:03.085>you <00:20:03.225>have <00:20:03.365>things <00:20:03.504>like <00:20:03.645>when <00:20:03.784>somebody <00:20:03.925>picks <00:20:04.064>like <00:20:04.205>comic <00:20:04.345>sauce

486
00:20:05.705 --> 00:20:07.885
<00:20:05.705>to <00:20:05.821>have <00:20:05.938>an <00:20:06.054>alert <00:20:06.171>saying <00:20:06.288>like, <00:20:06.405>do <00:20:06.521>you <00:20:06.638>really <00:20:06.754>want <00:20:06.871>to <00:20:06.988>do <00:20:07.105>this?

487
00:20:08.025 --> 00:20:10.525
<00:20:08.025>Or <00:20:08.165>do <00:20:08.305>you <00:20:08.445>limit <00:20:08.585>in <00:20:08.725>any <00:20:08.865>way <00:20:09.005>what's <00:20:09.145>going <00:20:09.285>on <00:20:09.425>there?

488
00:20:10.545 --> 00:20:12.765
<00:20:10.545>Or <00:20:10.778>do <00:20:11.011>you <00:20:11.245>flag <00:20:11.478>up <00:20:11.711>accessibility <00:20:11.945>issues

489
00:20:12.765 --> 00:20:13.885
<00:20:12.765>while <00:20:13.017>people <00:20:13.269>are <00:20:13.521>editing <00:20:13.773>things?

490
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<00:20:14.505>And <00:20:14.785>in <00:20:15.065>the <00:20:15.345>end, <00:20:15.625>what, <00:20:15.905>uh,

491
00:20:17.265 --> 00:20:19.245
<00:20:17.265>or <00:20:17.498>what <00:20:17.731>you <00:20:17.965>can <00:20:18.198>do <00:20:18.431>at <00:20:18.665>is

492
00:20:19.245 --> 00:20:22.645
<00:20:19.245>to <00:20:19.400>like <00:20:19.556>collaborate <00:20:19.711>in <00:20:19.867>many <00:20:20.022>different <00:20:20.178>ways <00:20:20.333>and, <00:20:20.489>and, <00:20:20.645>uh,

493
00:20:22.865 --> 00:20:26.005
<00:20:22.865>and <00:20:23.040>a <00:20:23.215>time <00:20:23.390>of <00:20:23.565>de <00:20:23.740>developing <00:20:23.915>the <00:20:24.090>tool <00:20:24.265>itself.

494
00:20:26.125 --> 00:20:29.325
<00:20:26.125>I <00:20:26.280>mean, <00:20:26.436>we <00:20:26.591>allow <00:20:26.747>you <00:20:26.902>to, <00:20:27.058>uh, <00:20:27.213>put <00:20:27.369>comments <00:20:27.525>and,

495
00:20:29.505 --> 00:20:30.525
<00:20:29.505>and <00:20:29.734>that <00:20:29.964>kind <00:20:30.193>of <00:20:30.423>stuff.

496
00:20:30.585 --> 00:20:34.285
<00:20:30.585>And <00:20:30.785>regarding <00:20:30.985>accessibility <00:20:31.185>step, <00:20:31.385>um, <00:20:31.585>yeah, <00:20:31.785>steps <00:20:31.985>that,

497
00:20:34.285 --> 00:20:36.125
<00:20:34.285>like <00:20:34.518>we <00:20:34.751>have <00:20:34.985>some <00:20:35.218>kind <00:20:35.451>of <00:20:35.685>checks.

498
00:20:36.585 --> 00:20:39.245
<00:20:36.585>We <00:20:36.785>also, <00:20:36.985>there <00:20:37.185>is <00:20:37.385>like <00:20:37.585>a <00:20:37.785>great <00:20:37.985>plugging

499
00:20:39.245 --> 00:20:40.645
<00:20:39.245>regarding <00:20:40.504>accessibility,

500
00:20:40.945 --> 00:20:45.445
<00:20:40.945>but <00:20:41.120>there <00:20:41.294>is <00:20:41.470>no <00:20:41.645>kind <00:20:41.820>of <00:20:41.995>like, <00:20:42.169>um, <00:20:42.345>steps

501
00:20:45.445 --> 00:20:49.125
<00:20:45.445>that <00:20:45.600>you <00:20:45.756>have <00:20:45.911>to <00:20:46.067>follow <00:20:46.222>to <00:20:46.378>make <00:20:46.533>something <00:20:46.689>look <00:20:46.845>nice

502
00:20:49.265 --> 00:20:51.845
<00:20:49.265>or <00:20:49.545>standardized <00:20:49.825>because <00:20:50.105>in <00:20:50.385>the <00:20:50.665>end,

503
00:20:51.875 --> 00:20:54.085
<00:20:51.875>like <00:20:52.108>you <00:20:52.341>can <00:20:52.575>do <00:20:52.808>whatever <00:20:53.041>you <00:20:53.275>want.

504
00:20:54.285 --> 00:20:57.885
<00:20:54.285>I <00:20:54.440>think <00:20:54.596>that <00:20:54.751>this, <00:20:54.907>like, <00:20:55.062>the <00:20:55.218>feeling <00:20:55.373>of <00:20:55.529>having <00:20:55.685>something

505
00:20:57.885 --> 00:21:00.325
<00:20:57.885>that <00:20:58.165>looks <00:20:58.445>bad <00:20:58.725>shouldn't <00:20:59.004>stop <00:20:59.285>creativity.

506
00:21:00.665 --> 00:21:02.645
<00:21:00.665>So <00:21:00.898>like, <00:21:01.131>how <00:21:01.365>do <00:21:01.598>you <00:21:01.831>put <00:21:02.065>that?

507
00:21:02.645 --> 00:21:05.085
<00:21:02.645>Like, <00:21:02.800>no, <00:21:02.956>don't <00:21:03.111>use <00:21:03.267>comic <00:21:03.422>sense. <00:21:03.578>I <00:21:03.733>mean, <00:21:03.889>why <00:21:04.045>not?

508
00:21:05.225 --> 00:21:07.525
<00:21:05.225>Or <00:21:05.380>comic <00:21:05.536>sense <00:21:05.691>is <00:21:05.847>a, <00:21:06.002>is <00:21:06.158>a <00:21:06.313>really <00:21:06.469>accessible <00:21:06.625>font

509
00:21:07.705 --> 00:21:09.045
<00:21:07.705>for <00:21:08.006>a <00:21:08.308>lot <00:21:08.609>of <00:21:08.911>stuff.

510
00:21:09.665 --> 00:21:13.805
<00:21:09.665>So <00:21:09.805>yeah, <00:21:09.945>I <00:21:10.085>think <00:21:10.225>it <00:21:10.365>depends, <00:21:10.504>uh, <00:21:10.645>on <00:21:10.784>so <00:21:10.925>many <00:21:11.065>things.

511
00:21:13.945 --> 00:21:17.725
<00:21:13.945>So <00:21:14.100>yeah, <00:21:14.256>I <00:21:14.411>wouldn't <00:21:14.567>put <00:21:14.722>like <00:21:14.878>any <00:21:15.033>kind <00:21:15.189>of <00:21:15.345>limit,

512
00:21:18.305 --> 00:21:19.885
<00:21:18.305>um, <00:21:18.771>on <00:21:19.238>that <00:21:19.705>sense.

513
00:21:19.945 --> 00:21:21.485
<00:21:19.945>Uh, <00:21:20.176>the <00:21:20.407>other <00:21:20.638>day <00:21:20.869>you <00:21:21.100>have <00:21:21.331>mentioned

514
00:21:21.485 --> 00:21:25.405
<00:21:21.485>before, <00:21:21.659>uh, <00:21:21.834>if <00:21:22.010>I <00:21:22.185>remember <00:21:22.360>correctly, <00:21:22.534>Neo <00:21:22.709>brutalism, <00:21:22.885>um,

515
00:21:25.405 --> 00:21:27.885
<00:21:25.405>the <00:21:25.560>other <00:21:25.716>day <00:21:25.871>we <00:21:26.027>had <00:21:26.182>some <00:21:26.338>kind <00:21:26.493>of <00:21:26.649>internal <00:21:26.805>talk

516
00:21:27.885 --> 00:21:30.845
<00:21:27.885>because, <00:21:28.060>uh, <00:21:28.235>one <00:21:28.410>of <00:21:28.585>the <00:21:28.760>developers <00:21:28.935>was <00:21:29.110>asking <00:21:29.285>actually,

517
00:21:30.845 --> 00:21:34.245
<00:21:30.845>like, <00:21:31.020>how <00:21:31.195>is <00:21:31.370>this <00:21:31.545>style, <00:21:31.720>uh, <00:21:31.895>or <00:21:32.070>design <00:21:32.245>called?

518
00:21:34.465 --> 00:21:36.365
<00:21:34.465>And <00:21:34.639>we <00:21:34.814>were <00:21:34.990>like, <00:21:35.165>yeah, <00:21:35.340>this <00:21:35.514>is <00:21:35.689>neo <00:21:35.865>brutalism.

519
00:21:36.785 --> 00:21:39.085
<00:21:36.785>And <00:21:37.018>some <00:21:37.251>designers <00:21:37.485>were <00:21:37.718>like, <00:21:37.951>it's <00:21:38.185>horrible.

520
00:21:39.275 --> 00:21:41.205
<00:21:39.275>Like <00:21:39.475>a <00:21:39.675>lot <00:21:39.875>of <00:21:40.075>websites <00:21:40.275>look <00:21:40.475>like <00:21:40.675>this.

521
00:21:41.225 --> 00:21:45.215
<00:21:41.225>And <00:21:41.332>I <00:21:41.440>was <00:21:41.548>like, <00:21:41.655>I <00:21:41.763>thought <00:21:41.871>it <00:21:41.978>was <00:21:42.086>nice. <00:21:42.194>I <00:21:42.301>kind <00:21:42.409>of <00:21:42.517>like <00:21:42.625>it.

522
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<00:21:45.675>Why <00:21:45.830>is <00:21:45.986>it <00:21:46.141>that <00:21:46.297>bad? <00:21:46.452>Why, <00:21:46.608>what <00:21:46.763>am <00:21:46.919>I <00:21:47.075>missing?

523
00:21:48.755 --> 00:21:51.055
<00:21:48.755>So <00:21:48.910>I <00:21:49.066>don't <00:21:49.221>know, <00:21:49.377>it's <00:21:49.532>like, <00:21:49.688>it <00:21:49.843>depends <00:21:49.999>a <00:21:50.155>lot,

524
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<00:21:51.555>um, <00:21:51.861>on <00:21:52.167>the <00:21:52.473>person.

525
00:21:52.715 --> 00:21:54.975
<00:21:52.715>But <00:21:52.855>yeah, <00:21:52.995>it, <00:21:53.135>it <00:21:53.274>was <00:21:53.415>really <00:21:53.554>funny <00:21:53.695>that <00:21:53.834>you <00:21:53.975>mentioned <00:21:54.115>it

526
00:21:54.975 --> 00:21:56.695
<00:21:54.975>because <00:21:55.149>there's <00:21:55.324>like <00:21:55.500>a <00:21:55.675>lot <00:21:55.850>of <00:21:56.024>discussion <00:21:56.199>on <00:21:56.375>that.

527
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528
00:22:00.295 --> 00:22:01.935
<00:22:00.295>I <00:22:00.450>mean, <00:22:00.606>Chris, <00:22:00.761>if <00:22:00.917>you <00:22:01.072>wouldn't <00:22:01.228>mind <00:22:01.383>up <00:22:01.539>the <00:22:01.695>gum,

529
00:22:02.035 --> 00:22:04.215
<00:22:02.035>gum <00:22:02.315>road <00:22:02.595>homepage, <00:22:02.875>uh, <00:22:03.155>gum <00:22:03.435>road.com,

530
00:22:04.215 --> 00:22:06.255
<00:22:04.215>because <00:22:04.415>that's <00:22:04.615>a <00:22:04.814>really <00:22:05.014>good <00:22:05.215>example <00:22:05.415>of, <00:22:05.615>of

531
00:22:06.255 --> 00:22:10.375
<00:22:06.255>what <00:22:06.395>we're <00:22:06.535>talking <00:22:06.675>about, <00:22:06.815>the <00:22:06.955>neo <00:22:07.095>brutalism, <00:22:07.235>um, <00:22:07.375>what <00:22:07.515>m <00:22:07.655>uh,

532
00:22:10.395 --> 00:22:13.225
<00:22:10.395>gum <00:22:10.745>road <00:22:11.095>Gum <00:22:11.445>gum <00:22:11.795>road.com.

533
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<00:22:13.295>Yeah. <00:22:13.435>Um, <00:22:13.575>because <00:22:13.715>they've <00:22:13.855>got, <00:22:13.995>um, <00:22:14.135>if <00:22:14.275>you, <00:22:14.415>if <00:22:14.555>you <00:22:14.695>sort

534
00:22:16.985 --> 00:22:18.025
<00:22:16.985>of <00:22:17.118>see <00:22:17.252>how <00:22:17.386>theirs <00:22:17.519>is, <00:22:17.653>it's, <00:22:17.787>they <00:22:17.921>like,

535
00:22:18.105 --> 00:22:20.265
<00:22:18.105>I <00:22:18.260>think <00:22:18.416>from <00:22:18.571>ma <00:22:18.727>memory <00:22:18.882>it's <00:22:19.038>like <00:22:19.193>pink <00:22:19.349>and <00:22:19.505>yellow

536
00:22:20.445 --> 00:22:21.625
<00:22:20.445>and <00:22:20.710>it's, <00:22:20.976>um, <00:22:21.241>my <00:22:21.507>God.

537
00:22:21.655 --> 00:22:23.785
<00:22:21.655>Yeah, <00:22:21.810>the, <00:22:21.966>the, <00:22:22.121>the <00:22:22.277>big <00:22:22.432>sort <00:22:22.588>of, <00:22:22.743>there <00:22:22.899>you <00:22:23.055>go.

538
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<00:22:23.785>Pink <00:22:23.985>and <00:22:24.185>yellow, <00:22:24.385>huh. <00:22:24.585>That's <00:22:24.785>a <00:22:24.985>visual <00:22:25.185>memory.

539
00:22:26.045 --> 00:22:28.265
<00:22:26.045>Um, <00:22:26.185>but <00:22:26.325>there's <00:22:26.465>a <00:22:26.605>really <00:22:26.745>good <00:22:26.885>example <00:22:27.025>of <00:22:27.165>it, <00:22:27.305>you <00:22:27.445>know,

540
00:22:28.265 --> 00:22:30.945
<00:22:28.265>where, <00:22:28.392>um, <00:22:28.519>somebody <00:22:28.646>said <00:22:28.774>to <00:22:28.901>me <00:22:29.028>once <00:22:29.155>the <00:22:29.283>whole <00:22:29.410>point <00:22:29.537>of <00:22:29.665>sort

541
00:22:30.945 --> 00:22:33.345
<00:22:30.945>of <00:22:31.145>neo <00:22:31.345>brutalism <00:22:31.544>or <00:22:31.745>brutalism <00:22:31.945>is <00:22:32.145>like <00:22:32.345>pure,

542
00:22:33.685 --> 00:22:35.505
<00:22:33.685>um, <00:22:34.151>function <00:22:34.618>over <00:22:35.085>form.

543
00:22:35.685 --> 00:22:37.745
<00:22:35.685>So <00:22:35.860>like, <00:22:36.034>it's <00:22:36.210>purely <00:22:36.385>about <00:22:36.560>how <00:22:36.735>you <00:22:36.909>use <00:22:37.085>it

544
00:22:37.845 --> 00:22:39.145
<00:22:37.845>and <00:22:38.079>not <00:22:38.313>about <00:22:38.547>how <00:22:38.781>it <00:22:39.014>looks.

545
00:22:39.325 --> 00:22:41.705
<00:22:39.325>And <00:22:39.465>for <00:22:39.605>me, <00:22:39.745>that's <00:22:39.885>really <00:22:40.025>hard <00:22:40.165>to <00:22:40.305>get <00:22:40.445>my <00:22:40.585>head <00:22:40.725>around.

546
00:22:41.905 --> 00:22:44.185
<00:22:41.905>'cause <00:22:42.080>to <00:22:42.254>me <00:22:42.430>they <00:22:42.605>are <00:22:42.780>very <00:22:42.955>much <00:22:43.129>the <00:22:43.305>same

547
00:22:44.445 --> 00:22:45.585
<00:22:44.445>two <00:22:44.650>sides <00:22:44.855>of <00:22:45.060>the <00:22:45.265>same <00:22:45.471>coin.

548
00:22:46.005 --> 00:22:47.945
<00:22:46.005>Um, <00:22:46.180>so <00:22:46.355>I, <00:22:46.530>I <00:22:46.705>guess <00:22:46.880>I, <00:22:47.055>I <00:22:47.230>I <00:22:47.405>know

549
00:22:47.945 --> 00:22:49.425
<00:22:47.945>what <00:22:48.111>you're <00:22:48.278>saying <00:22:48.444>there <00:22:48.610>about, <00:22:48.777>you <00:22:48.944>know, <00:22:49.110>it's, <00:22:49.277>uh,

550
00:22:49.425 --> 00:22:50.585
<00:22:49.425>it's <00:22:49.633>really <00:22:49.842>hard <00:22:50.051>to <00:22:50.260>tell <00:22:50.469>somebody

551
00:22:50.585 --> 00:22:52.025
<00:22:50.585>that <00:22:50.844>this <00:22:51.103>style <00:22:51.362>is <00:22:51.621>not <00:22:51.881>nice

552
00:22:52.025 --> 00:22:53.625
<00:22:52.025>because <00:22:52.200>you <00:22:52.375>either <00:22:52.550>love <00:22:52.725>it <00:22:52.900>or <00:22:53.075>you <00:22:53.250>hate <00:22:53.425>it.

553
00:22:53.625 --> 00:22:54.785
<00:22:53.625>There's <00:22:53.973>no <00:22:54.321>in <00:22:54.669>between.

554
00:22:55.045 --> 00:22:57.665
<00:22:55.045>Um, <00:22:55.245>but <00:22:55.445>it's <00:22:55.645>definitely <00:22:55.845>been <00:22:56.045>the <00:22:56.245>big <00:22:56.445>trend

555
00:22:57.665 --> 00:22:58.825
<00:22:57.665>for <00:22:57.839>the <00:22:58.013>last <00:22:58.187>few <00:22:58.361>years, <00:22:58.535>I <00:22:58.709>think

556
00:22:58.825 --> 00:23:00.185
<00:22:58.825>that <00:22:59.029>we've <00:22:59.233>seen <00:22:59.437>on <00:22:59.641>the <00:22:59.845>web <00:23:00.049>for

557
00:23:00.185 --> 00:23:00.545
<00:23:00.185>Sure. <00:23:00.509>Yeah.

558
00:23:01.335 --> 00:23:02.535
<00:23:01.335>I <00:23:01.515>think <00:23:01.695>the <00:23:01.875>irony <00:23:02.055>of <00:23:02.235>it <00:23:02.415>is

559
00:23:02.535 --> 00:23:04.015
<00:23:02.535>that <00:23:02.801>basically <00:23:03.067>it <00:23:03.334>only <00:23:03.600>looks <00:23:03.867>good

560
00:23:04.015 --> 00:23:05.895
<00:23:04.015>because <00:23:04.215>of <00:23:04.415>the <00:23:04.615>rendering <00:23:04.815>of <00:23:05.015>browsers <00:23:05.215>these <00:23:05.415>days.

561
00:23:05.925 --> 00:23:08.495
<00:23:05.925>Like <00:23:06.100>if <00:23:06.274>that <00:23:06.450>would <00:23:06.625>render <00:23:06.800>like <00:23:06.975>a <00:23:07.149>1995 <00:23:07.325>browser,

562
00:23:08.635 --> 00:23:10.455
<00:23:08.635>it <00:23:08.835>would <00:23:09.035>be <00:23:09.235>all <00:23:09.435>like <00:23:09.635>ply <00:23:09.835>and <00:23:10.035>terrible

563
00:23:10.635 --> 00:23:12.215
<00:23:10.635>and <00:23:10.915>like <00:23:11.195>there <00:23:11.475>it <00:23:11.754>would <00:23:12.035>be.

564
00:23:12.215 --> 00:23:14.175
<00:23:12.215>Mm-hmm. <00:23:12.448>It <00:23:12.681>would <00:23:12.915>not <00:23:13.148>be <00:23:13.381>as <00:23:13.615>smooth.

565
00:23:14.355 --> 00:23:18.215
<00:23:14.355>The, <00:23:14.495>the, <00:23:14.635>this <00:23:14.775>is <00:23:14.915>the, <00:23:15.055>the <00:23:15.195>thing <00:23:15.335>where <00:23:15.475>people, <00:23:15.615>I <00:23:15.755>mean,

566
00:23:18.215 --> 00:23:20.055
<00:23:18.215>when <00:23:18.448>people <00:23:18.681>always <00:23:18.915>show <00:23:19.148>like <00:23:19.381>pixel <00:23:19.615>art

567
00:23:20.115 --> 00:23:22.095
<00:23:20.115>and <00:23:20.255>they <00:23:20.395>say <00:23:20.535>like, <00:23:20.675>oh, <00:23:20.815>it's <00:23:20.955>great <00:23:21.095>you <00:23:21.235>sell <00:23:21.375>the <00:23:21.515>pixels.

568
00:23:22.095 --> 00:23:24.295
<00:23:22.095>And <00:23:22.270>I <00:23:22.445>remember <00:23:22.620>doing <00:23:22.795>computer <00:23:22.970>games <00:23:23.145>in <00:23:23.320>the <00:23:23.495>nineties

569
00:23:24.295 --> 00:23:27.375
<00:23:24.295>and <00:23:24.435>I'm <00:23:24.575>like, <00:23:24.715>we <00:23:24.855>did <00:23:24.995>everything <00:23:25.135>so <00:23:25.275>the <00:23:25.415>pixels <00:23:25.555>wouldn't <00:23:25.695>show,

570
00:23:27.755 --> 00:23:30.015
<00:23:27.755>you <00:23:27.930>know, <00:23:28.105>we <00:23:28.280>put <00:23:28.455>colors <00:23:28.630>next <00:23:28.805>to <00:23:28.980>each <00:23:29.155>other

571
00:23:30.015 --> 00:23:31.295
<00:23:30.015>that <00:23:30.245>would <00:23:30.475>blend <00:23:30.706>into <00:23:30.936>each <00:23:31.167>other.

572
00:23:31.355 --> 00:23:32.575
<00:23:31.355>So <00:23:31.904>anti <00:23:32.453>alling,

573
00:23:32.635 --> 00:23:35.575
<00:23:32.635>so <00:23:32.810>you <00:23:32.985>wouldn't <00:23:33.160>see <00:23:33.335>single <00:23:33.510>pixels, <00:23:33.685>but <00:23:33.860>like <00:23:34.035>mm-hmm.

574
00:23:35.715 --> 00:23:36.495
<00:23:35.715>And <00:23:36.065>then <00:23:36.417>nowadays

575
00:23:36.495 --> 00:23:37.655
<00:23:36.495>it's <00:23:36.625>like, <00:23:36.755>oh, <00:23:36.886>this <00:23:37.016>is <00:23:37.147>what <00:23:37.278>they <00:23:37.408>looked <00:23:37.539>like.

576
00:23:37.655 --> 00:23:41.215
<00:23:37.655>And <00:23:37.771>I'm <00:23:37.888>like, <00:23:38.004>no, <00:23:38.121>it <00:23:38.238>was <00:23:38.355>CRT <00:23:38.471>monitors <00:23:38.588>back <00:23:38.705>then, <00:23:38.821>or <00:23:38.938>TV <00:23:39.055>sets.

577
00:23:41.675 --> 00:23:43.735
<00:23:41.675>So <00:23:41.875>every <00:23:42.075>single <00:23:42.274>pixel <00:23:42.475>was <00:23:42.675>just <00:23:42.875>a <00:23:43.075>blur.

578
00:23:43.875 --> 00:23:47.845
<00:23:43.875>And <00:23:44.015>it's <00:23:44.155>not <00:23:44.295>like <00:23:44.435>that <00:23:44.575>these, <00:23:44.715>the, <00:23:44.855>the <00:23:44.995>harsh <00:23:45.135>round <00:23:45.275>things

579
00:23:47.955 --> 00:23:50.045
<00:23:47.955>that <00:23:48.110>you <00:23:48.266>can <00:23:48.421>see <00:23:48.577>here, <00:23:48.732>it's <00:23:48.888>quite <00:23:49.043>interesting <00:23:49.199>to <00:23:49.355>see.

580
00:23:51.075 --> 00:23:52.485
<00:23:51.075>Yeah. <00:23:51.498>And <00:23:51.921>so <00:23:52.343>it's

581
00:23:52.485 --> 00:23:55.045
<00:23:52.485>Like <00:23:52.718>as <00:23:52.951>technology <00:23:53.185>evolves, <00:23:53.418>it <00:23:53.651>allows <00:23:53.885>us

582
00:23:55.045 --> 00:23:57.005
<00:23:55.045>to <00:23:55.511>make <00:23:55.978>uglier <00:23:56.445>designs.

583
00:23:57.915 --> 00:24:00.205
<00:23:57.915>Yeah. <00:23:58.115>Yeah. <00:23:58.315>Go <00:23:58.514>back <00:23:58.715>to <00:23:58.915>like <00:23:59.115>old <00:23:59.315>designs

584
00:24:00.265 --> 00:24:02.685
<00:24:00.265>and <00:24:00.440>pretend <00:24:00.615>that <00:24:00.790>they <00:24:00.965>were <00:24:01.140>bare, <00:24:01.315>like <00:24:01.490>back <00:24:01.665>then,

585
00:24:02.745 --> 00:24:06.765
<00:24:02.745>and <00:24:02.885>this <00:24:03.024>reminds <00:24:03.165>me <00:24:03.304>of <00:24:03.445>like <00:24:03.584>school <00:24:03.725>books <00:24:03.864>from <00:24:04.004>the <00:24:04.145>seventies

586
00:24:06.795 --> 00:24:07.885
<00:24:06.795>that <00:24:07.122>I <00:24:07.449>had <00:24:07.776>mm-hmm.

587
00:24:07.965 --> 00:24:10.205
<00:24:07.965>With <00:24:08.165>like <00:24:08.365>really <00:24:08.564>bad <00:24:08.764>comics <00:24:08.965>teaching <00:24:09.165>you <00:24:09.365>French

588
00:24:10.205 --> 00:24:11.325
<00:24:10.205>and <00:24:10.456>English <00:24:10.709>kind <00:24:10.961>of <00:24:11.213>thing.

589
00:24:11.745 --> 00:24:13.405
<00:24:11.745>So <00:24:11.945>it's <00:24:12.145>not <00:24:12.344>a <00:24:12.544>good <00:24:12.745>connotation <00:24:12.945>at <00:24:13.145>all.

590
00:24:14.265 --> 00:24:16.725
<00:24:14.265>Uh, <00:24:14.420>there <00:24:14.576>is <00:24:14.731>a <00:24:14.887>search <00:24:15.042>engine <00:24:15.198>that <00:24:15.353>I <00:24:15.509>found <00:24:15.665>interesting

591
00:24:16.725 --> 00:24:18.605
<00:24:16.725>as <00:24:16.958>well, <00:24:17.191>which <00:24:17.425>is, <00:24:17.658>uh, <00:24:17.891>called <00:24:18.125>Webe.

592
00:24:19.105 --> 00:24:23.205
<00:24:19.105>And <00:24:19.260>it <00:24:19.416>just <00:24:19.571>basically <00:24:19.727>indexed <00:24:19.882>pages, <00:24:20.038>I <00:24:20.193>think <00:24:20.349>from, <00:24:20.505>uh,

593
00:24:23.475 --> 00:24:24.845
<00:24:23.475>from <00:24:24.708>archive.org,

594
00:24:25.015 --> 00:24:28.525
<00:24:25.015>which <00:24:25.155>are <00:24:25.295>like <00:24:25.435>older <00:24:25.575>than <00:24:25.715>like <00:24:25.855>1997 <00:24:25.995>or <00:24:26.135>something <00:24:26.275>like <00:24:26.415>that.

595
00:24:29.025 --> 00:24:31.805
<00:24:29.025>So <00:24:29.180>we <00:24:29.336>get <00:24:29.491>like <00:24:29.647>all <00:24:29.802>these <00:24:29.958>websites <00:24:30.113>where <00:24:30.269>people, <00:24:30.425>uh,

596
00:24:31.805 --> 00:24:34.085
<00:24:31.805>build <00:24:32.085>their <00:24:32.365>own <00:24:32.645>per <00:24:32.925>personal <00:24:33.205>websites

597
00:24:34.505 --> 00:24:37.085
<00:24:34.505>and <00:24:34.645>just <00:24:34.785>did <00:24:34.925>random <00:24:35.065>stuff <00:24:35.205>on <00:24:35.345>the <00:24:35.485>web <00:24:35.625>rather <00:24:35.765>than <00:24:35.905>like,

598
00:24:37.085 --> 00:24:38.125
<00:24:37.085>commercial <00:24:38.021>websites.

599
00:24:38.545 --> 00:24:41.365
<00:24:38.545>And <00:24:38.720>I <00:24:38.895>love <00:24:39.070>that. <00:24:39.245>'cause <00:24:39.420>that's, <00:24:39.595>I <00:24:39.770>think <00:24:39.945>we,

600
00:24:41.425 --> 00:24:43.885
<00:24:41.425>we <00:24:41.580>should <00:24:41.736>not <00:24:41.891>hold <00:24:42.047>back <00:24:42.202>on <00:24:42.358>this <00:24:42.513>kind <00:24:42.669>of <00:24:42.825>stuff.

601
00:24:43.915 --> 00:24:46.085
<00:24:43.915>Like <00:24:44.148>just <00:24:44.381>if <00:24:44.615>you <00:24:44.848>wanna <00:24:45.081>publish <00:24:45.315>random

602
00:24:46.085 --> 00:24:47.285
<00:24:46.085>stuff <00:24:46.301>on <00:24:46.517>the <00:24:46.733>web, <00:24:46.949>do <00:24:47.165>it.

603
00:24:47.305 --> 00:24:48.885
<00:24:47.305>The <00:24:47.505>web <00:24:47.705>is <00:24:47.905>still <00:24:48.105>there <00:24:48.305>because <00:24:48.505>of <00:24:48.705>that.

604
00:24:49.545 --> 00:24:50.765
<00:24:49.545>And <00:24:49.911>it's <00:24:50.277>just <00:24:50.643>beautiful

605
00:24:50.765 --> 00:24:52.685
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606
00:24:52.685 --> 00:24:55.045
<00:24:52.685>because <00:24:52.965>yeah, <00:24:53.245>Google <00:24:53.524>Cache <00:24:53.804>was <00:24:54.085>deleted

607
00:24:55.225 --> 00:24:57.645
<00:24:55.225>and <00:24:55.380>it <00:24:55.536>would <00:24:55.691>not <00:24:55.847>be <00:24:56.002>possible <00:24:56.158>to <00:24:56.313>find <00:24:56.469>these <00:24:56.625>things.

608
00:24:58.465 --> 00:25:00.005
<00:24:58.465>And <00:24:58.696>it's <00:24:58.927>great <00:24:59.158>that <00:24:59.389>they're <00:24:59.620>still <00:24:59.851>around

609
00:25:00.065 --> 00:25:01.645
<00:25:00.065>and <00:25:00.345>it <00:25:00.625>was <00:25:00.905>most <00:25:01.185>random <00:25:01.465>stuff

610
00:25:02.185 --> 00:25:03.405
<00:25:02.185>and, <00:25:02.404>uh, <00:25:02.624>I <00:25:02.843>found <00:25:03.063>it <00:25:03.283>great

611
00:25:03.405 --> 00:25:04.805
<00:25:03.405>that <00:25:03.615>there's <00:25:03.825>a <00:25:04.035>search <00:25:04.245>engine <00:25:04.455>for <00:25:04.665>that.

612
00:25:04.885 --> 00:25:09.085
<00:25:04.885>I <00:25:05.025>mean, <00:25:05.165>you <00:25:05.305>could <00:25:05.445>probably <00:25:05.585>use <00:25:05.725>like, <00:25:05.865>uh, <00:25:06.004>Google <00:25:06.145>before <00:25:06.285>1995

613
00:25:09.145 --> 00:25:11.405
<00:25:09.145>or <00:25:09.300>something <00:25:09.456>like <00:25:09.611>that <00:25:09.767>in <00:25:09.922>the <00:25:10.078>search <00:25:10.233>bar <00:25:10.389>as <00:25:10.545>well,

614
00:25:11.405 --> 00:25:12.885
<00:25:11.405>but <00:25:11.627>it's <00:25:11.849>really <00:25:12.071>interesting <00:25:12.293>to <00:25:12.514>see, <00:25:12.737>Ooh,

615
00:25:12.885 --> 00:25:13.965
<00:25:12.885>free <00:25:13.209>clip <00:25:13.533>art. <00:25:13.857>Excellent.

616
00:25:14.595 --> 00:25:16.705
<00:25:14.595>Don't <00:25:14.735>you <00:25:14.875>love <00:25:15.015>that <00:25:15.155>though? <00:25:15.295>The <00:25:15.435>way <00:25:15.575>that <00:25:15.715>it's <00:25:15.855>like, <00:25:15.995>um,

617
00:25:16.905 --> 00:25:18.425
<00:25:16.905>I <00:25:17.041>almost <00:25:17.178>think <00:25:17.315>of <00:25:17.452>it <00:25:17.589>a <00:25:17.725>bit <00:25:17.862>like <00:25:17.999>where <00:25:18.136>you <00:25:18.273>see

618
00:25:18.425 --> 00:25:19.705
<00:25:18.425>so <00:25:18.713>many <00:25:19.001>like <00:25:19.289>YouTubers <00:25:19.577>now

619
00:25:19.765 --> 00:25:21.905
<00:25:19.765>and <00:25:19.905>they're <00:25:20.045>these <00:25:20.185>big <00:25:20.325>sort <00:25:20.465>of, <00:25:20.605>they've <00:25:20.745>got <00:25:20.885>these <00:25:21.025>big <00:25:21.165>studios

620
00:25:21.925 --> 00:25:24.145
<00:25:21.925>and <00:25:22.080>they've <00:25:22.236>got <00:25:22.391>sponsors <00:25:22.547>and <00:25:22.702>they're <00:25:22.858>like <00:25:23.013>a <00:25:23.169>real, <00:25:23.325>uh,

621
00:25:24.265 --> 00:25:25.625
<00:25:24.265>a <00:25:24.439>real <00:25:24.614>company, <00:25:24.789>let's <00:25:24.964>put <00:25:25.139>it <00:25:25.314>like <00:25:25.489>that.

622
00:25:25.725 --> 00:25:28.185
<00:25:25.725>But <00:25:25.852>so <00:25:25.979>many <00:25:26.106>of <00:25:26.234>them <00:25:26.361>started <00:25:26.488>doing <00:25:26.615>like, <00:25:26.743>I <00:25:26.870>don't <00:25:26.997>know, <00:25:27.125>skits

623
00:25:28.185 --> 00:25:31.305
<00:25:28.185>or <00:25:28.360>things <00:25:28.534>on <00:25:28.710>Vine <00:25:28.885>or <00:25:29.060>like <00:25:29.235>little, <00:25:29.409>um, <00:25:29.585>sketches

624
00:25:31.305 --> 00:25:33.665
<00:25:31.305>and <00:25:31.432>they <00:25:31.559>had <00:25:31.686>this <00:25:31.814>like <00:25:31.941>real <00:25:32.068>rough <00:25:32.195>kind <00:25:32.323>of <00:25:32.450>charm, <00:25:32.577>you <00:25:32.705>know,

625
00:25:33.995 --> 00:25:37.345
<00:25:33.995>lo-fi <00:25:34.150>not <00:25:34.306>very <00:25:34.461>good <00:25:34.617>equipment, <00:25:34.772>no <00:25:34.928>lighting, <00:25:35.083>no <00:25:35.239>real <00:25:35.395>script.

626
00:25:37.685 --> 00:25:39.105
<00:25:37.685>And <00:25:37.844>it <00:25:38.004>feels <00:25:38.164>like <00:25:38.324>the <00:25:38.483>web <00:25:38.643>has <00:25:38.803>done <00:25:38.963>that.

627
00:25:39.135 --> 00:25:41.905
<00:25:39.135>It's <00:25:39.290>always <00:25:39.446>trying <00:25:39.601>to <00:25:39.757>show <00:25:39.912>the <00:25:40.068>professional <00:25:40.223>side <00:25:40.379>of <00:25:40.535>things

628
00:25:41.965 --> 00:25:44.545
<00:25:41.965>and <00:25:42.139>the, <00:25:42.314>like, <00:25:42.490>really <00:25:42.665>well-formed <00:25:42.840>look <00:25:43.014>at <00:25:43.189>this <00:25:43.365>beautiful

629
00:25:44.545 --> 00:25:46.785
<00:25:44.545>website <00:25:44.720>I <00:25:44.895>made <00:25:45.070>with <00:25:45.245>this <00:25:45.420>framework <00:25:45.595>rather <00:25:45.770>than <00:25:45.945>just

630
00:25:46.815 --> 00:25:48.545
<00:25:46.815>something <00:25:47.165>somebody's <00:25:47.515>made <00:25:47.865>for <00:25:48.215>fun

631
00:25:48.545 --> 00:25:51.065
<00:25:48.545>that <00:25:48.745>is <00:25:48.945>experimental <00:25:49.145>and <00:25:49.345>is <00:25:49.545>very <00:25:49.745>much <00:25:49.945>them.

632
00:25:51.325 --> 00:25:52.785
<00:25:51.325>And <00:25:51.512>there's <00:25:51.700>no <00:25:51.888>framework <00:25:52.075>on <00:25:52.263>top <00:25:52.451>of <00:25:52.639>it.

633
00:25:52.785 --> 00:25:54.745
<00:25:52.785>It's <00:25:53.065>just, <00:25:53.345>it's <00:25:53.625>like <00:25:53.905>there <00:25:54.185>embodiment

634
00:25:54.745 --> 00:25:55.945
<00:25:54.745>of <00:25:54.925>like <00:25:55.105>who <00:25:55.284>they <00:25:55.465>are, <00:25:55.645>you <00:25:55.824>know?

635
00:25:56.725 --> 00:25:58.265
<00:25:56.725>So <00:25:56.923>yeah, <00:25:57.120>it's <00:25:57.319>cool <00:25:57.517>to <00:25:57.715>see <00:25:57.913>these <00:25:58.111>things.

636
00:25:58.815 --> 00:26:01.305
<00:25:58.815>Yeah. <00:25:58.970>And <00:25:59.126>it's <00:25:59.281>fun <00:25:59.437>that <00:25:59.592>it <00:25:59.748>basically, <00:25:59.903>I <00:26:00.059>mean <00:26:00.215>there's,

637
00:26:01.305 --> 00:26:03.705
<00:26:01.305>there's <00:26:01.480>the <00:26:01.655>irony <00:26:01.830>that <00:26:02.005>the <00:26:02.180>web <00:26:02.355>doesn't <00:26:02.530>forget <00:26:02.705>anything,

638
00:26:03.765 --> 00:26:05.625
<00:26:03.765>but <00:26:03.940>it's <00:26:04.115>great <00:26:04.290>that <00:26:04.465>it <00:26:04.640>doesn't <00:26:04.815>forget <00:26:04.990>some <00:26:05.165>things

639
00:26:05.625 --> 00:26:06.825
<00:26:05.625>that <00:26:05.895>people <00:26:06.165>just <00:26:06.435>put <00:26:06.705>there.

640
00:26:06.825 --> 00:26:09.505
<00:26:06.825>Like, <00:26:06.965>I <00:26:07.105>mean, <00:26:07.245>I <00:26:07.385>found <00:26:07.525>the <00:26:07.665>other <00:26:07.805>day <00:26:07.945>my <00:26:08.085>first <00:26:08.225>website

641
00:26:09.505 --> 00:26:10.745
<00:26:09.505>that <00:26:09.691>I <00:26:09.877>built, <00:26:10.063>and <00:26:10.249>it <00:26:10.435>was <00:26:10.620>basically

642
00:26:10.755 --> 00:26:12.545
<00:26:10.755>explaining <00:26:11.105>HTML <00:26:11.455>to <00:26:11.805>other <00:26:12.155>people.

643
00:26:12.575 --> 00:26:14.025
<00:26:12.575>This <00:26:12.836>is <00:26:13.097>what <00:26:13.358>I <00:26:13.619>started <00:26:13.880>with.

644
00:26:14.615 --> 00:26:16.785
<00:26:14.615>Like, <00:26:14.848>and <00:26:15.081>then <00:26:15.315>some <00:26:15.548>Star <00:26:15.781>Trek <00:26:16.015>things

645
00:26:16.845 --> 00:26:19.585
<00:26:16.845>and <00:26:17.078>some, <00:26:17.311>uh, <00:26:17.545>eight <00:26:17.778>bit <00:26:18.011>computing <00:26:18.245>things.

646
00:26:19.925 --> 00:26:22.185
<00:26:19.925>But <00:26:20.100>it's <00:26:20.274>interesting <00:26:20.450>that <00:26:20.625>these <00:26:20.800>bits <00:26:20.975>are <00:26:21.149>still <00:26:21.325>around

647
00:26:22.895 --> 00:26:23.985
<00:26:22.895>when <00:26:23.140>it <00:26:23.385>comes <00:26:23.630>to <00:26:23.876>design.

648
00:26:24.225 --> 00:26:25.905
<00:26:24.225>I <00:26:24.399>mean, <00:26:24.574>this, <00:26:24.750>this <00:26:24.925>correct <00:26:25.100>me <00:26:25.274>up <00:26:25.449>as <00:26:25.625>well.

649
00:26:25.925 --> 00:26:28.665
<00:26:25.925>Design <00:26:26.065>is <00:26:26.205>my <00:26:26.345>passion. <00:26:26.485>When <00:26:26.625>somebody <00:26:26.764>just <00:26:26.905>pointed <00:26:27.044>out <00:26:27.185>this <00:26:27.325>is

650
00:26:28.665 --> 00:26:30.345
<00:26:28.665>basically <00:26:29.014>the <00:26:29.365>liquid <00:26:29.715>glass <00:26:30.065>thing,

651
00:26:31.845 --> 00:26:35.585
<00:26:31.845>and <00:26:31.961>it's <00:26:32.078>so <00:26:32.195>easy <00:26:32.311>to <00:26:32.428>to, <00:26:32.545>to <00:26:32.661>take <00:26:32.778>the <00:26:32.895>mickey <00:26:33.011>out <00:26:33.128>of <00:26:33.245>it,

652
00:26:35.685 --> 00:26:39.065
<00:26:35.685>but <00:26:35.784>at <00:26:35.885>the <00:26:35.985>same <00:26:36.085>time, <00:26:36.185>uh, <00:26:36.284>I <00:26:36.385>mean, <00:26:36.485>I, <00:26:36.585>I <00:26:36.685>have <00:26:36.784>a <00:26:36.885>friend <00:26:36.985>of <00:26:37.085>mine

653
00:26:39.085 --> 00:26:41.265
<00:26:39.085>who <00:26:39.365>works <00:26:39.645>on <00:26:39.925>accessibility <00:26:40.205>in <00:26:40.485>Apple

654
00:26:41.445 --> 00:26:44.165
<00:26:41.445>and <00:26:41.600>he <00:26:41.756>said, <00:26:41.911>like, <00:26:42.067>I <00:26:42.222>know <00:26:42.378>you <00:26:42.533>all <00:26:42.689>point <00:26:42.845>out

655
00:26:44.165 --> 00:26:45.805
<00:26:44.165>that <00:26:44.398>this <00:26:44.631>is <00:26:44.865>not <00:26:45.098>accessible <00:26:45.331>at <00:26:45.565>all,

656
00:26:45.905 --> 00:26:46.925
<00:26:45.905>but <00:26:46.364>believe <00:26:46.822>me,

657
00:26:48.365 --> 00:26:50.765
<00:26:48.365>probably <00:26:48.565>somebody <00:26:48.765>in <00:26:48.965>a <00:26:49.165>company <00:26:49.365>like <00:26:49.565>Apple <00:26:49.765>had

658
00:26:50.765 --> 00:26:52.725
<00:26:50.765>that <00:26:50.998>conversation <00:26:51.231>for <00:26:51.465>the <00:26:51.698>last <00:26:51.931>seven <00:26:52.165>months

659
00:26:53.185 --> 00:26:54.285
<00:26:53.185>and <00:26:53.432>it <00:26:53.680>still <00:26:53.927>got <00:26:54.175>out.

660
00:26:54.345 --> 00:26:56.485
<00:26:54.345>But <00:26:54.578>I'm <00:26:54.811>just <00:26:55.045>like, <00:26:55.278>this <00:26:55.511>is <00:26:55.745>embarrassing.

661
00:26:56.545 --> 00:26:58.605
<00:26:56.545>I'm <00:26:56.825>sorry, <00:26:57.105>there's <00:26:57.385>just <00:26:57.665>this, <00:26:57.945>this

662
00:26:58.605 --> 00:27:00.805
<00:26:58.605>to <00:26:58.805>me <00:26:59.005>looks <00:26:59.205>like <00:26:59.405>somebody <00:26:59.605>didn't <00:26:59.805>test <00:27:00.005>the

663
00:27:00.805 --> 00:27:01.845
<00:27:00.805>thing <00:27:01.039>before <00:27:01.273>it <00:27:01.507>went <00:27:01.741>live.

664
00:27:02.395 --> 00:27:04.005
<00:27:02.395>What <00:27:02.628>are <00:27:02.861>your <00:27:03.095>thoughts <00:27:03.328>on <00:27:03.561>it, <00:27:03.795>Elena?

665
00:27:04.005 --> 00:27:05.565
<00:27:04.005>Do, <00:27:04.180>do <00:27:04.355>you <00:27:04.530>like <00:27:04.705>it <00:27:04.880>as <00:27:05.055>a <00:27:05.230>personal <00:27:05.405>thing?

666
00:27:05.585 --> 00:27:07.245
<00:27:05.585>Do <00:27:05.725>you, <00:27:05.865>what, <00:27:06.005>when <00:27:06.145>you <00:27:06.285>saw <00:27:06.425>it, <00:27:06.565>did <00:27:06.705>you <00:27:06.845>go <00:27:06.985>nice

667
00:27:07.425 --> 00:27:08.485
<00:27:07.425>or <00:27:07.663>what <00:27:07.902>was <00:27:08.140>your <00:27:08.379>reaction?

668
00:27:09.275 --> 00:27:11.325
<00:27:09.275>Yeah, <00:27:09.508>I <00:27:09.741>was <00:27:09.975>like <00:27:10.208>kind <00:27:10.441>of <00:27:10.675>surprised

669
00:27:11.325 --> 00:27:15.605
<00:27:11.325>because <00:27:11.480>I've <00:27:11.636>always <00:27:11.791>thought <00:27:11.947>that, <00:27:12.102>um, <00:27:12.258>apple <00:27:12.413>is <00:27:12.569>a <00:27:12.725>company

670
00:27:15.955 --> 00:27:20.805
<00:27:15.955>that <00:27:16.062>I <00:27:16.170>know <00:27:16.278>it <00:27:16.385>puts <00:27:16.493>a <00:27:16.601>lot <00:27:16.708>of <00:27:16.816>effort <00:27:16.924>on <00:27:17.031>having <00:27:17.139>a <00:27:17.247>good, <00:27:17.355>um,

671
00:27:20.905 --> 00:27:24.765
<00:27:20.905>and <00:27:21.080>accessibility <00:27:21.254>products <00:27:21.430>and, <00:27:21.605>and <00:27:21.780>yeah, <00:27:21.955>I <00:27:22.129>don't <00:27:22.305>know,

672
00:27:24.785 --> 00:27:28.725
<00:27:24.785>but <00:27:24.960>I <00:27:25.135>think <00:27:25.310>that <00:27:25.485>these <00:27:25.660>days <00:27:25.835>maybe <00:27:26.010>I <00:27:26.185>know

673
00:27:28.725 --> 00:27:32.405
<00:27:28.725>because <00:27:28.899>of, <00:27:29.074>um, <00:27:29.250>the <00:27:29.425>rise <00:27:29.600>of <00:27:29.774>other <00:27:29.949>technologies <00:27:30.125>and,

674
00:27:32.425 --> 00:27:35.605
<00:27:32.425>and <00:27:32.552>so <00:27:32.679>on, <00:27:32.806>people <00:27:32.934>are <00:27:33.061>maybe <00:27:33.188>putting <00:27:33.315>less <00:27:33.443>effort <00:27:33.570>on <00:27:33.697>this <00:27:33.825>kind

675
00:27:35.605 --> 00:27:38.925
<00:27:35.605>of <00:27:35.721>details <00:27:35.838>are <00:27:35.955>you <00:27:36.071>have <00:27:36.188>to <00:27:36.305>like <00:27:36.421>chip <00:27:36.538>a <00:27:36.655>lot <00:27:36.771>of <00:27:36.888>new <00:27:37.005>things,

676
00:27:39.345 --> 00:27:42.325
<00:27:39.345>but <00:27:39.545>also <00:27:39.745>like <00:27:39.945>somehow <00:27:40.145>evolve <00:27:40.345>and <00:27:40.545>ship, <00:27:40.745>uh,

677
00:27:42.385 --> 00:27:46.805
<00:27:42.385>or, <00:27:42.560>um, <00:27:42.735>like <00:27:42.910>yeah, <00:27:43.085>uh, <00:27:43.260>make <00:27:43.435>newer <00:27:43.610>versions <00:27:43.785>of

678
00:27:46.805 --> 00:27:48.965
<00:27:46.805>what <00:27:47.085>you <00:27:47.365>have <00:27:47.645>and <00:27:47.925>differentiate <00:27:48.205>somehow

679
00:27:49.705 --> 00:27:51.405
<00:27:49.705>so <00:27:49.938>people <00:27:50.171>can <00:27:50.405>look <00:27:50.638>at <00:27:50.871>you, <00:27:51.105>uh,

680
00:27:51.405 --> 00:27:53.685
<00:27:51.405>because <00:27:51.580>you <00:27:51.754>have <00:27:51.930>done <00:27:52.105>something <00:27:52.280>different <00:27:52.455>that <00:27:52.629>those <00:27:52.805>kind

681
00:27:53.685 --> 00:27:57.565
<00:27:53.685>of <00:27:53.840>things <00:27:53.996>get <00:27:54.151>missed <00:27:54.307>because <00:27:54.462>of <00:27:54.618>the <00:27:54.773>urge <00:27:54.929>of <00:27:55.085>delivery.

682
00:27:58.035 --> 00:28:01.325
<00:27:58.035>This <00:27:58.151>is <00:27:58.268>what <00:27:58.385>I <00:27:58.501>think, <00:27:58.618>but <00:27:58.735>like, <00:27:58.851>I <00:27:58.968>have <00:27:59.085>no <00:27:59.201>idea, <00:27:59.318>uh, <00:27:59.435>about,

683
00:28:01.615 --> 00:28:04.725
<00:28:01.615>about <00:28:01.815>what <00:28:02.015>can <00:28:02.215>be <00:28:02.415>happening <00:28:02.615>underneath <00:28:02.815>or <00:28:03.015>whatever.

684
00:28:04.825 --> 00:28:08.365
<00:28:04.825>But <00:28:04.965>yeah, <00:28:05.105>to <00:28:05.245>me, <00:28:05.385>I <00:28:05.525>mean, <00:28:05.665>not <00:28:05.805>only <00:28:05.945>like <00:28:06.085>the <00:28:06.225>blurry

685
00:28:08.905 --> 00:28:11.885
<00:28:08.905>glassy <00:28:09.080>effect, <00:28:09.254>which <00:28:09.430>well, <00:28:09.605>I <00:28:09.780>mean <00:28:09.955>like, <00:28:10.129>nice <00:28:10.305>try.

686
00:28:12.405 --> 00:28:14.765
<00:28:12.405>I <00:28:12.560>think <00:28:12.716>that <00:28:12.871>we <00:28:13.027>have <00:28:13.182>to <00:28:13.338>try <00:28:13.493>to <00:28:13.649>innovate <00:28:13.805>sometime.

687
00:28:14.875 --> 00:28:17.205
<00:28:14.875>Like <00:28:15.030>this <00:28:15.186>is <00:28:15.341>like <00:28:15.497>the <00:28:15.652>only <00:28:15.808>way <00:28:15.963>of, <00:28:16.119>uh, <00:28:16.275>coming

688
00:28:17.275 --> 00:28:18.285
<00:28:17.275>with <00:28:17.729>new <00:28:18.184>things.

689
00:28:18.445 --> 00:28:21.245
<00:28:18.445>I <00:28:18.600>mean, <00:28:18.756>if <00:28:18.911>you <00:28:19.067>don't, <00:28:19.222>if <00:28:19.378>wouldn't <00:28:19.533>try <00:28:19.689>different <00:28:19.845>things,

690
00:28:21.345 --> 00:28:23.685
<00:28:21.345>we <00:28:21.520>are <00:28:21.695>never <00:28:21.870>like <00:28:22.045>going <00:28:22.220>to, <00:28:22.395>I <00:28:22.570>don't <00:28:22.745>know,

691
00:28:23.685 --> 00:28:25.005
<00:28:23.685>we <00:28:24.081>are <00:28:24.477>limiting <00:28:24.873>ourselves,

692
00:28:25.145 --> 00:28:27.445
<00:28:25.145>but <00:28:25.300>at <00:28:25.456>the <00:28:25.611>same <00:28:25.767>time <00:28:25.922>it's <00:28:26.078>like, <00:28:26.233>this <00:28:26.389>is <00:28:26.545>like,

693
00:28:27.815 --> 00:28:31.165
<00:28:27.815>color <00:28:27.990>contrast <00:28:28.165>is <00:28:28.340>a <00:28:28.515>very <00:28:28.690>basic <00:28:28.865>accessibility <00:28:29.040>thing, <00:28:29.215>so

694
00:28:31.985 --> 00:28:35.565
<00:28:31.985>why <00:28:32.140>it's <00:28:32.296>like <00:28:32.451>sometimes <00:28:32.607>it's <00:28:32.762>easy <00:28:32.918>to <00:28:33.073>miss, <00:28:33.229>it's <00:28:33.385>easier

695
00:28:35.625 --> 00:28:39.325
<00:28:35.625>to <00:28:35.765>miss <00:28:35.905>like <00:28:36.045>the <00:28:36.185>basic <00:28:36.325>stuff <00:28:36.465>than <00:28:36.605>the <00:28:36.745>super <00:28:36.885>complex <00:28:37.025>stuff.

696
00:28:39.325 --> 00:28:42.045
<00:28:39.325>So <00:28:39.500>I'm <00:28:39.675>pretty <00:28:39.850>sure <00:28:40.025>that <00:28:40.200>this <00:28:40.375>has <00:28:40.550>like <00:28:40.725>some,

697
00:28:42.325 --> 00:28:46.085
<00:28:42.325>I <00:28:42.480>know <00:28:42.636>it's <00:28:42.791>accessible <00:28:42.947>by <00:28:43.102>voice <00:28:43.258>control <00:28:43.413>or <00:28:43.569>whatever, <00:28:43.725>uh,

698
00:28:46.305 --> 00:28:48.725
<00:28:46.305>but <00:28:46.460>if <00:28:46.616>you <00:28:46.771>look <00:28:46.927>at <00:28:47.082>it, <00:28:47.238>it's <00:28:47.393>not <00:28:47.549>that <00:28:47.705>good.

699
00:28:48.785 --> 00:28:51.645
<00:28:48.785>So <00:28:48.912>yeah, <00:28:49.039>I <00:28:49.166>think <00:28:49.294>that <00:28:49.421>they <00:28:49.548>use, <00:28:49.675>like <00:28:49.803>missed <00:28:49.930>the <00:28:50.057>basic <00:28:50.185>stuff

700
00:28:52.785 --> 00:28:54.885
<00:28:52.785>And <00:28:52.960>it's <00:28:53.135>not <00:28:53.310>even <00:28:53.485>people <00:28:53.660>who <00:28:53.835>are <00:28:54.010>visually <00:28:54.185>impaired,

701
00:28:54.955 --> 00:28:56.405
<00:28:54.955>it's <00:28:55.216>just <00:28:55.476>old <00:28:55.738>people <00:28:55.999>or <00:28:56.260>people

702
00:28:56.405 --> 00:28:58.005
<00:28:56.405>who <00:28:56.580>are <00:28:56.754>looking <00:28:56.930>at <00:28:57.105>their <00:28:57.280>phone <00:28:57.455>in <00:28:57.629>the <00:28:57.805>sun.

703
00:28:58.275 --> 00:28:59.525
<00:28:58.275>Like, <00:28:58.556>that's <00:28:58.837>enough <00:28:59.118>for <00:28:59.400>that.

704
00:28:59.525 --> 00:29:02.165
<00:28:59.525>Like, <00:28:59.665>I <00:28:59.805>mean, <00:28:59.945>it, <00:29:00.085>it <00:29:00.225>seems <00:29:00.365>to <00:29:00.505>me <00:29:00.645>there <00:29:00.785>is <00:29:00.925>no

705
00:29:02.675 --> 00:29:06.325
<00:29:02.675>automated <00:29:02.830>test <00:29:02.986>about, <00:29:03.141>uh, <00:29:03.297>about <00:29:03.452>color <00:29:03.608>contrast <00:29:03.763>in <00:29:03.919>this <00:29:04.075>case.

706
00:29:06.445 --> 00:29:09.125
<00:29:06.445>I <00:29:06.585>mean, <00:29:06.725>I <00:29:06.865>don't <00:29:07.004>mind <00:29:07.145>the, <00:29:07.284>the, <00:29:07.425>the <00:29:07.564>transparency <00:29:07.705>of <00:29:07.845>it.

707
00:29:09.245 --> 00:29:11.925
<00:29:09.245>I <00:29:09.419>think <00:29:09.594>performance <00:29:09.770>wise <00:29:09.945>it <00:29:10.120>must <00:29:10.294>be <00:29:10.469>a <00:29:10.645>nightmare

708
00:29:11.925 --> 00:29:14.685
<00:29:11.925>as <00:29:12.080>well <00:29:12.236>when <00:29:12.391>everything <00:29:12.547>is <00:29:12.702>like <00:29:12.858>half <00:29:13.013>transparent <00:29:13.169>rather <00:29:13.325>than

709
00:29:14.685 --> 00:29:15.805
<00:29:14.685>just <00:29:15.189>like <00:29:15.693>overlaying

710
00:29:15.805 --> 00:29:17.805
<00:29:15.805>and <00:29:15.980>not <00:29:16.155>re <00:29:16.330>rendering <00:29:16.505>that <00:29:16.680>part <00:29:16.855>of <00:29:17.030>the <00:29:17.205>screen.

711
00:29:18.545 --> 00:29:21.845
<00:29:18.545>But, <00:29:18.700>uh, <00:29:18.856>yeah, <00:29:19.011>like <00:29:19.167>having <00:29:19.322>that <00:29:19.478>color <00:29:19.633>on <00:29:19.789>top <00:29:19.945>of

712
00:29:21.845 --> 00:29:24.365
<00:29:21.845>that <00:29:22.045>feels <00:29:22.245>like <00:29:22.445>just <00:29:22.645>an <00:29:22.845>oversight <00:29:23.045>to <00:29:23.245>me.

713
00:29:25.025 --> 00:29:26.165
<00:29:25.025>Mm-hmm. <00:29:25.230>And <00:29:25.435>I <00:29:25.640>mean, <00:29:25.845>I <00:29:26.051>totally

714
00:29:26.165 --> 00:29:27.725
<00:29:26.165>understand <00:29:26.631>the <00:29:27.098>liquid <00:29:27.565>glassing.

715
00:29:27.755 --> 00:29:29.965
<00:29:27.755>It's <00:29:27.955>like <00:29:28.155>we, <00:29:28.355>we <00:29:28.555>have <00:29:28.755>to <00:29:28.955>keep <00:29:29.155>innovating.

716
00:29:30.025 --> 00:29:31.445
<00:29:30.025>We <00:29:30.238>have <00:29:30.451>to <00:29:30.664>keep <00:29:30.877>being <00:29:31.090>the <00:29:31.303>company

717
00:29:31.445 --> 00:29:32.645
<00:29:31.445>that <00:29:31.804>does <00:29:32.165>things <00:29:32.525>differently.

718
00:29:33.315 --> 00:29:37.165
<00:29:33.315>Then <00:29:33.470>again, <00:29:33.626>windows <00:29:33.781>had <00:29:33.937>aqua <00:29:34.092>that <00:29:34.248>had <00:29:34.403>just <00:29:34.559>the <00:29:34.715>sidebars

719
00:29:37.165 --> 00:29:38.725
<00:29:37.165>of <00:29:37.445>the <00:29:37.725>windows <00:29:38.004>looking <00:29:38.284>like <00:29:38.565>that,

720
00:29:38.905 --> 00:29:42.645
<00:29:38.905>but <00:29:39.138>uh, <00:29:39.371>it <00:29:39.605>feels <00:29:39.838>like <00:29:40.071>it's <00:29:40.305>forced

721
00:29:43.225 --> 00:29:44.445
<00:29:43.225>change <00:29:43.591>to <00:29:43.956>a <00:29:44.322>degree.

722
00:29:44.445 --> 00:29:46.885
<00:29:44.445>Mm-hmm. <00:29:44.620>And <00:29:44.794>I <00:29:44.970>wonder <00:29:45.145>if <00:29:45.320>it's <00:29:45.495>to, <00:29:45.669>to, <00:29:45.845>to

723
00:29:47.645 --> 00:29:50.685
<00:29:47.645>distract <00:29:47.800>from <00:29:47.956>the <00:29:48.111>fact <00:29:48.267>that <00:29:48.422>the <00:29:48.578>intelligence <00:29:48.733>AI <00:29:48.889>stuff <00:29:49.045>didn't

724
00:29:50.685 --> 00:29:52.045
<00:29:50.685>work <00:29:50.889>out <00:29:51.093>the <00:29:51.297>way <00:29:51.501>they <00:29:51.705>wanted <00:29:51.909>to.

725
00:29:53.145 --> 00:29:56.405
<00:29:53.145>Mm-hmm. <00:29:53.300>Might <00:29:53.456>be, <00:29:53.611>you <00:29:53.767>know? <00:29:53.922>Yeah. <00:29:54.078>I <00:29:54.233>I <00:29:54.389>love <00:29:54.545>that.

726
00:29:56.965 --> 00:29:59.245
<00:29:56.965>I <00:29:57.165>love <00:29:57.365>that <00:29:57.564>that, <00:29:57.764>uh, <00:29:57.965>toot <00:29:58.165>about <00:29:58.365>it

727
00:29:59.445 --> 00:30:00.525
<00:29:59.445>where <00:29:59.769>somebody <00:30:00.093>said <00:30:00.417>like,

728
00:30:00.525 --> 00:30:02.645
<00:30:00.525>transparency <00:30:00.875>should <00:30:01.225>be <00:30:01.575>used <00:30:01.925>transparently,

729
00:30:06.985 --> 00:30:07.985
<00:30:06.985>But <00:30:07.165>it <00:30:07.344>looks <00:30:07.524>so <00:30:07.705>nice. <00:30:07.885>That's

730
00:30:07.985 --> 00:30:09.005
<00:30:07.985>the <00:30:08.291>problem, <00:30:08.597>isn't <00:30:08.903>it?

731
00:30:09.005 --> 00:30:11.165
<00:30:09.005>Is <00:30:09.132>like <00:30:09.259>I, <00:30:09.386>I, <00:30:09.514>you <00:30:09.641>know, <00:30:09.768>we <00:30:09.895>probably <00:30:10.023>all <00:30:10.150>remember <00:30:10.277>the <00:30:10.405>days

732
00:30:11.165 --> 00:30:13.845
<00:30:11.165>of <00:30:11.292>when <00:30:11.419>you <00:30:11.546>had <00:30:11.674>to <00:30:11.801>like <00:30:11.928>fake <00:30:12.055>transparency <00:30:12.183>doing <00:30:12.310>sort <00:30:12.437>of, <00:30:12.565>uh,

733
00:30:13.945 --> 00:30:15.125
<00:30:13.945>gif <00:30:14.157>in <00:30:14.369>the <00:30:14.582>corner <00:30:14.794>to <00:30:15.007>try

734
00:30:15.125 --> 00:30:16.085
<00:30:15.125>and <00:30:15.269>make <00:30:15.413>something <00:30:15.557>look <00:30:15.701>like <00:30:15.845>I <00:30:15.989>had

735
00:30:16.245 --> 00:30:17.245
<00:30:16.245>rounded <00:30:16.544>corners <00:30:16.844>or <00:30:17.145>whatever.

736
00:30:17.585 --> 00:30:19.325
<00:30:17.585>Um, <00:30:17.818>and <00:30:18.051>it, <00:30:18.285>so <00:30:18.518>it <00:30:18.751>is <00:30:18.985>nice.

737
00:30:19.355 --> 00:30:20.885
<00:30:19.355>It's <00:30:19.527>like, <00:30:19.699>especially <00:30:19.871>if <00:30:20.043>you're <00:30:20.215>doing <00:30:20.387>anything <00:30:20.559>like <00:30:20.732>video,

738
00:30:21.155 --> 00:30:22.645
<00:30:21.155>it's <00:30:21.346>a <00:30:21.538>great <00:30:21.729>way <00:30:21.921>to <00:30:22.112>layer <00:30:22.304>things <00:30:22.496>up.

739
00:30:22.755 --> 00:30:25.125
<00:30:22.755>It's <00:30:22.930>like <00:30:23.105>transparency <00:30:23.280>mm-hmm. <00:30:23.455>Is <00:30:23.630>such <00:30:23.805>a <00:30:23.980>useful <00:30:24.155>thing.

740
00:30:25.385 --> 00:30:27.365
<00:30:25.385>But <00:30:25.540>you, <00:30:25.696>you <00:30:25.851>definitely <00:30:26.007>can <00:30:26.162>forget <00:30:26.318>about, <00:30:26.473>you <00:30:26.629>know, <00:30:26.785>how,

741
00:30:27.425 --> 00:30:30.285
<00:30:27.425>how <00:30:27.541>much <00:30:27.658>kind <00:30:27.774>of, <00:30:27.891>uh, <00:30:28.008>how <00:30:28.125>taxing <00:30:28.241>it <00:30:28.358>is <00:30:28.475>when <00:30:28.591>you've <00:30:28.708>got <00:30:28.825>loads

742
00:30:30.285 --> 00:30:31.685
<00:30:30.285>and <00:30:30.465>loads <00:30:30.645>of <00:30:30.825>layers <00:30:31.005>and <00:30:31.185>maybe <00:30:31.365>they're <00:30:31.545>animating

743
00:30:31.685 --> 00:30:33.085
<00:30:31.685>and <00:30:32.000>they're <00:30:32.315>transparent, <00:30:32.630>et <00:30:32.945>cetera.

744
00:30:34.985 --> 00:30:37.565
<00:30:34.985>It <00:30:35.159>kind <00:30:35.334>of <00:30:35.510>fired <00:30:35.685>off <00:30:35.860>the <00:30:36.034>old <00:30:36.209>confusion <00:30:36.385>though,

745
00:30:37.565 --> 00:30:39.765
<00:30:37.565>like <00:30:37.705>when <00:30:37.845>people <00:30:37.985>say <00:30:38.125>like, <00:30:38.265>oh, <00:30:38.405>we've <00:30:38.545>gotta <00:30:38.685>make <00:30:38.825>it <00:30:38.965>pretty

746
00:30:39.825 --> 00:30:41.045
<00:30:39.825>and <00:30:40.099>then <00:30:40.374>it's <00:30:40.648>not <00:30:40.923>accessible.

747
00:30:41.105 --> 00:30:43.085
<00:30:41.105>So <00:30:41.260>that's <00:30:41.416>the <00:30:41.571>thing <00:30:41.727>where <00:30:41.882>a <00:30:42.038>lot <00:30:42.193>of <00:30:42.349>times <00:30:42.505>when,

748
00:30:43.085 --> 00:30:44.885
<00:30:43.085>when <00:30:43.285>there's <00:30:43.485>innovation <00:30:43.685>and <00:30:43.885>people <00:30:44.085>say <00:30:44.285>like, <00:30:44.485>yeah,

749
00:30:44.885 --> 00:30:46.005
<00:30:44.885>we're <00:30:45.086>gonna <00:30:45.288>make <00:30:45.489>it <00:30:45.691>accessible <00:30:45.893>later,

750
00:30:46.025 --> 00:30:47.565
<00:30:46.025>and <00:30:46.371>you're <00:30:46.718>like, <00:30:47.064>oh <00:30:47.411>no.

751
00:30:47.565 --> 00:30:49.765
<00:30:47.565>Mm-hmm. <00:30:47.765>And <00:30:47.965>I <00:30:48.165>love <00:30:48.365>this <00:30:48.565>article <00:30:48.765>about <00:30:48.965>it

752
00:30:49.765 --> 00:30:51.085
<00:30:49.765>where <00:30:50.062>basically <00:30:50.359>they <00:30:50.656>said <00:30:50.953>like,

753
00:30:51.435 --> 00:30:53.765
<00:30:51.435>that <00:30:51.715>designers <00:30:51.995>have <00:30:52.274>no <00:30:52.554>excuse <00:30:52.835>anymore,

754
00:30:53.835 --> 00:30:56.725
<00:30:53.835>that <00:30:54.068>you <00:30:54.301>can <00:30:54.535>make <00:30:54.768>things <00:30:55.001>pretty <00:30:55.235>animated

755
00:30:56.825 --> 00:30:59.365
<00:30:56.825>and <00:30:57.025>accessible <00:30:57.225>just <00:30:57.425>by <00:30:57.625>doing <00:30:57.825>the <00:30:58.025>right <00:30:58.225>thing.

756
00:30:59.705 --> 00:31:01.685
<00:30:59.705>You <00:31:00.054>know, <00:31:00.405>like <00:31:00.754>the <00:31:01.105>accessibility

757
00:31:01.705 --> 00:31:03.365
<00:31:01.705>of <00:31:01.985>the <00:31:02.264>signup <00:31:02.544>experience <00:31:02.824>on, <00:31:03.105>uh,

758
00:31:03.385 --> 00:31:05.445
<00:31:03.385>on <00:31:03.585>GitHub <00:31:03.785>was <00:31:03.985>the <00:31:04.185>example <00:31:04.385>that <00:31:04.585>she <00:31:04.785>showed.

759
00:31:06.105 --> 00:31:10.405
<00:31:06.105>And <00:31:06.245>it's <00:31:06.385>just <00:31:06.525>like, <00:31:06.665>by <00:31:06.805>testing <00:31:06.945>if <00:31:07.085>animations <00:31:07.225>can <00:31:07.365>be <00:31:07.505>seen

760
00:31:10.505 --> 00:31:13.965
<00:31:10.505>or <00:31:10.645>want <00:31:10.785>to <00:31:10.925>be <00:31:11.065>seen <00:31:11.205>before <00:31:11.345>you <00:31:11.485>do <00:31:11.625>them <00:31:11.765>by <00:31:11.905>testing,

761
00:31:14.265 --> 00:31:15.965
<00:31:14.265>if <00:31:14.498>the <00:31:14.731>font <00:31:14.965>size <00:31:15.198>is <00:31:15.431>big <00:31:15.665>enough

762
00:31:15.985 --> 00:31:18.405
<00:31:15.985>and <00:31:16.140>doesn't <00:31:16.296>break <00:31:16.451>apart, <00:31:16.607>if <00:31:16.762>you <00:31:16.918>resize <00:31:17.073>it <00:31:17.229>three <00:31:17.385>times,

763
00:31:19.185 --> 00:31:21.325
<00:31:19.185>you <00:31:19.418>already <00:31:19.651>90% <00:31:19.885>of <00:31:20.118>the <00:31:20.351>way <00:31:20.585>there.

764
00:31:21.385 --> 00:31:22.725
<00:31:21.385>And <00:31:21.686>it <00:31:21.988>just <00:31:22.289>fascinates <00:31:22.591>me

765
00:31:22.725 --> 00:31:24.685
<00:31:22.725>that <00:31:22.958>people <00:31:23.191>are <00:31:23.425>still <00:31:23.658>thinking <00:31:23.891>like, <00:31:24.125>oh,

766
00:31:24.725 --> 00:31:25.925
<00:31:24.725>I <00:31:24.940>gotta <00:31:25.157>make <00:31:25.373>it <00:31:25.589>pretty <00:31:25.804>first.

767
00:31:25.985 --> 00:31:28.165
<00:31:25.985>And <00:31:26.185>then <00:31:26.385>I <00:31:26.584>think <00:31:26.784>about <00:31:26.985>accessibility <00:31:27.185>as <00:31:27.385>a,

768
00:31:28.185 --> 00:31:29.405
<00:31:28.185>uh, <00:31:28.551>as <00:31:28.917>an <00:31:29.283>afterthought.

769
00:31:29.565 --> 00:31:31.725
<00:31:29.565>'cause <00:31:29.720>that <00:31:29.876>will <00:31:30.031>never <00:31:30.187>give <00:31:30.342>a, <00:31:30.498>can <00:31:30.653>be <00:31:30.809>accessible <00:31:30.965>result.

770
00:31:34.035 --> 00:31:36.085
<00:31:34.035>Yeah, <00:31:34.268>totally. <00:31:34.501>Actually, <00:31:34.735>uh, <00:31:34.968>to <00:31:35.201>me, <00:31:35.435>like

771
00:31:36.615 --> 00:31:40.605
<00:31:36.615>those <00:31:36.895>transparency <00:31:37.175>elements <00:31:37.455>were <00:31:37.735>like <00:31:38.015>elements

772
00:31:40.605 --> 00:31:43.045
<00:31:40.605>that <00:31:40.838>were <00:31:41.071>meant <00:31:41.305>to <00:31:41.538>be <00:31:41.771>like <00:31:42.005>kind

773
00:31:43.045 --> 00:31:44.485
<00:31:43.045>of <00:31:43.477>second <00:31:43.908>class <00:31:44.341>institutions.

774
00:31:44.515 --> 00:31:47.485
<00:31:44.515>Like <00:31:44.715>somehow <00:31:44.915>something <00:31:45.115>that <00:31:45.315>is <00:31:45.515>only <00:31:45.715>meant <00:31:45.915>for

775
00:31:48.205 --> 00:31:50.485
<00:31:48.205>styling <00:31:48.360>purposes <00:31:48.516>or <00:31:48.671>for <00:31:48.827>something <00:31:48.982>that <00:31:49.138>where <00:31:49.293>you <00:31:49.449>don't <00:31:49.605>have

776
00:31:50.685 --> 00:31:53.285
<00:31:50.685>to <00:31:50.885>look <00:31:51.085>at <00:31:51.284>directly <00:31:51.485>just <00:31:51.685>that <00:31:51.885>are <00:31:52.085>around

777
00:31:53.385 --> 00:31:55.565
<00:31:53.385>and <00:31:53.560>that <00:31:53.735>are <00:31:53.910>not <00:31:54.085>that <00:31:54.260>important <00:31:54.435>at <00:31:54.610>that <00:31:54.785>moment.

778
00:31:55.785 --> 00:31:58.965
<00:31:55.785>So <00:31:55.940>this <00:31:56.096>change <00:31:56.251>like <00:31:56.407>kind <00:31:56.562>of <00:31:56.718>means <00:31:56.873>that <00:31:57.029>this <00:31:57.185>is,

779
00:31:58.965 --> 00:32:02.565
<00:31:58.965>they <00:31:59.120>are <00:31:59.276>like <00:31:59.431>bringing <00:31:59.587>this, <00:31:59.742>um, <00:31:59.898>to <00:32:00.053>the <00:32:00.209>first <00:32:00.365>layer,

780
00:32:02.695 --> 00:32:06.205
<00:32:02.695>which <00:32:02.835>is, <00:32:02.975>um, <00:32:03.115>I <00:32:03.254>don't <00:32:03.395>know, <00:32:03.534>kind <00:32:03.675>of <00:32:03.814>contradictory <00:32:03.955>to <00:32:04.095>me.

781
00:32:06.265 --> 00:32:10.085
<00:32:06.265>But <00:32:06.392>yeah, <00:32:06.519>at <00:32:06.646>the <00:32:06.774>same <00:32:06.901>time, <00:32:07.028>for <00:32:07.155>example, <00:32:07.283>there <00:32:07.410>is <00:32:07.537>an, <00:32:07.665>and,

782
00:32:10.105 --> 00:32:11.885
<00:32:10.105>and <00:32:10.338>this <00:32:10.571>is <00:32:10.805>a, <00:32:11.038>a, <00:32:11.271>a <00:32:11.505>request

783
00:32:11.885 --> 00:32:14.965
<00:32:11.885>that <00:32:11.992>we've <00:32:12.100>been <00:32:12.208>having <00:32:12.315>a <00:32:12.423>Pam <00:32:12.531>at <00:32:12.638>Pam <00:32:12.746>for <00:32:12.854>a, <00:32:12.961>for <00:32:13.069>a <00:32:13.177>long <00:32:13.285>time,

784
00:32:14.965 --> 00:32:19.485
<00:32:14.965>which <00:32:15.139>is <00:32:15.314>being <00:32:15.490>able <00:32:15.665>to <00:32:15.840>add, <00:32:16.014>um, <00:32:16.189>this, <00:32:16.365>um,

785
00:32:19.885 --> 00:32:24.285
<00:32:19.885>CSS <00:32:20.040>property, <00:32:20.196>uh, <00:32:20.351>the <00:32:20.507>background <00:32:20.662>filter <00:32:20.818>to <00:32:20.973>be <00:32:21.129>able, <00:32:21.285>like

786
00:32:24.285 --> 00:32:26.525
<00:32:24.285>to <00:32:24.518>make <00:32:24.751>it <00:32:24.985>a <00:32:25.218>bit, <00:32:25.451>uh, <00:32:25.685>blurry

787
00:32:26.525 --> 00:32:29.125
<00:32:26.525>and <00:32:26.680>so <00:32:26.836>on, <00:32:26.991>which <00:32:27.147>is <00:32:27.302>something <00:32:27.458>that <00:32:27.613>we <00:32:27.769>don't <00:32:27.925>currently

788
00:32:29.125 --> 00:32:30.725
<00:32:29.125>support <00:32:29.475>in <00:32:29.825>the <00:32:30.175>current <00:32:30.525>vendor.

789
00:32:31.265 --> 00:32:34.445
<00:32:31.265>Um, <00:32:31.465>and <00:32:31.665>it's <00:32:31.865>been <00:32:32.065>like <00:32:32.265>requested <00:32:32.465>a <00:32:32.665>lot.

790
00:32:34.525 --> 00:32:36.325
<00:32:34.525>A <00:32:34.758>lot <00:32:34.991>of <00:32:35.225>people <00:32:35.458>want <00:32:35.691>this <00:32:35.925>feature.

791
00:32:36.505 --> 00:32:40.485
<00:32:36.505>So <00:32:36.660>what <00:32:36.816>I <00:32:36.971>can <00:32:37.127>I <00:32:37.282>know, <00:32:37.438>like <00:32:37.593>understand <00:32:37.749>from <00:32:37.905>that,

792
00:32:40.515 --> 00:32:43.725
<00:32:40.515>from <00:32:40.690>this <00:32:40.865>request <00:32:41.040>is <00:32:41.215>that <00:32:41.390>people <00:32:41.565>want <00:32:41.740>to <00:32:41.915>kind

793
00:32:43.725 --> 00:32:46.725
<00:32:43.725>of <00:32:44.004>use <00:32:44.284>this <00:32:44.564>very <00:32:44.844>transparently <00:32:45.125>thing.

794
00:32:47.225 --> 00:32:49.365
<00:32:47.225>So <00:32:47.504>I <00:32:47.784>don't <00:32:48.064>know <00:32:48.344>why, <00:32:48.625>but

795
00:32:50.165 --> 00:32:52.165
<00:32:50.165>I <00:32:50.398>guess <00:32:50.631>for <00:32:50.865>models <00:32:51.098>and <00:32:51.331>popups, <00:32:51.565>that's

796
00:32:52.165 --> 00:32:53.765
<00:32:52.165>where <00:32:52.445>basically <00:32:52.725>people <00:32:53.004>wanted <00:32:53.284>mostly <00:32:53.565>to,

797
00:32:53.785 --> 00:32:54.845
<00:32:53.785>to <00:32:54.103>blur <00:32:54.421>the <00:32:54.739>background.

798
00:32:55.405 --> 00:32:58.205
<00:32:55.405>I <00:32:55.605>mean, <00:32:55.805>SVG <00:32:56.004>had <00:32:56.205>that <00:32:56.405>functionality <00:32:56.605>for <00:32:56.805>decades

799
00:32:58.705 --> 00:33:00.845
<00:32:58.705>and <00:32:58.879>you <00:32:59.054>could <00:32:59.230>use, <00:32:59.405>use <00:32:59.580>that <00:32:59.754>instead <00:32:59.929>as <00:33:00.105>well,

800
00:33:00.945 --> 00:33:03.005
<00:33:00.945>but <00:33:01.178>it <00:33:01.411>feels <00:33:01.645>like <00:33:01.878>whatever <00:33:02.111>you <00:33:02.345>do,

801
00:33:03.005 --> 00:33:04.285
<00:33:03.005>it's <00:33:03.235>gonna <00:33:03.465>be <00:33:03.696>a <00:33:03.926>rendering <00:33:04.157>issue.

802
00:33:04.285 --> 00:33:07.645
<00:33:04.285>Some <00:33:04.412>of, <00:33:04.539>uh, <00:33:04.666>uh, <00:33:04.794>amu <00:33:04.921>in <00:33:05.048>the <00:33:05.175>comments <00:33:05.303>also <00:33:05.430>said <00:33:05.557>that <00:33:05.685>it's,

803
00:33:07.645 --> 00:33:09.245
<00:33:07.645>that <00:33:07.845>the <00:33:08.045>whole <00:33:08.245>thing <00:33:08.445>is <00:33:08.645>a <00:33:08.845>battery <00:33:09.045>drainer.

804
00:33:09.585 --> 00:33:12.005
<00:33:09.585>And <00:33:09.701>yeah, <00:33:09.818>to <00:33:09.935>a <00:33:10.051>degree <00:33:10.168>it <00:33:10.285>is <00:33:10.401>every <00:33:10.518>time <00:33:10.635>we <00:33:10.751>do <00:33:10.868>drop <00:33:10.985>shadow

805
00:33:12.065 --> 00:33:15.485
<00:33:12.065>and, <00:33:12.265>uh, <00:33:12.465>and <00:33:12.665>transparency, <00:33:12.865>I <00:33:13.065>wonder <00:33:13.265>what, <00:33:13.465>uh,

806
00:33:15.485 --> 00:33:17.485
<00:33:15.485>what <00:33:15.685>the <00:33:15.885>new <00:33:16.084>iOS <00:33:16.284>version <00:33:16.485>does <00:33:16.685>about <00:33:16.885>that.

807
00:33:17.665 --> 00:33:19.725
<00:33:17.665>It <00:33:17.820>would <00:33:17.976>be <00:33:18.131>interesting <00:33:18.287>to <00:33:18.442>see <00:33:18.598>if <00:33:18.753>there's <00:33:18.909>a <00:33:19.065>feature

808
00:33:19.875 --> 00:33:21.725
<00:33:19.875>that <00:33:20.225>actually, <00:33:20.575>uh, <00:33:20.925>makes <00:33:21.275>sure

809
00:33:21.725 --> 00:33:23.125
<00:33:21.725>that <00:33:22.040>it's <00:33:22.355>rendered <00:33:22.670>somewhere <00:33:22.985>else.

810
00:33:23.405 --> 00:33:26.165
<00:33:23.405>I <00:33:23.580>think <00:33:23.754>internet <00:33:23.930>Explorer <00:33:24.105>nine <00:33:24.280>was <00:33:24.455>the <00:33:24.629>first <00:33:24.805>one

811
00:33:26.165 --> 00:33:30.245
<00:33:26.165>to <00:33:26.320>actually <00:33:26.476>cache, <00:33:26.631>uh, <00:33:26.787>uh, <00:33:26.942>CSS, <00:33:27.098>uh, <00:33:27.253>gradients, <00:33:27.409>for <00:33:27.565>example,

812
00:33:30.745 --> 00:33:32.125
<00:33:30.745>and <00:33:30.922>all <00:33:31.099>the <00:33:31.277>others <00:33:31.454>were <00:33:31.632>slowing <00:33:31.809>it <00:33:31.987>down.

813
00:33:32.125 --> 00:33:35.325
<00:33:32.125>Mm-hmm. <00:33:32.280>So, <00:33:32.436>um, <00:33:32.591>might <00:33:32.747>be <00:33:32.902>something <00:33:33.058>like <00:33:33.213>that <00:33:33.369>as <00:33:33.525>well

814
00:33:35.385 --> 00:33:38.125
<00:33:35.385>to <00:33:35.525>basically <00:33:35.665>make <00:33:35.805>it, <00:33:35.945>make <00:33:36.085>sure <00:33:36.225>that <00:33:36.365>it <00:33:36.504>actually <00:33:36.645>works <00:33:36.785>out.

815
00:33:39.465 --> 00:33:43.125
<00:33:39.465>Mm-hmm. <00:33:39.639>Yeah, <00:33:39.814>it's, <00:33:39.990>I <00:33:40.165>remember <00:33:40.340>having <00:33:40.514>really <00:33:40.689>bad <00:33:40.865>laptops

816
00:33:43.145 --> 00:33:44.605
<00:33:43.145>and <00:33:43.583>like <00:33:44.021>Linux <00:33:44.459>machines

817
00:33:44.605 --> 00:33:46.725
<00:33:44.605>and <00:33:44.838>turned <00:33:45.071>off <00:33:45.305>transparency <00:33:45.538>on <00:33:45.771>everything <00:33:46.005>just

818
00:33:46.725 --> 00:33:49.205
<00:33:46.725>because <00:33:46.880>it <00:33:47.036>was <00:33:47.191>too <00:33:47.347>slow <00:33:47.502>to <00:33:47.658>actually <00:33:47.813>move <00:33:47.969>windows <00:33:48.125>around.

819
00:33:50.105 --> 00:33:51.925
<00:33:50.105>And <00:33:50.260>now <00:33:50.416>we <00:33:50.571>have <00:33:50.727>it <00:33:50.882>on <00:33:51.038>a <00:33:51.193>mobile <00:33:51.349>phone, <00:33:51.505>like

820
00:33:51.925 --> 00:33:53.245
<00:33:51.925>that's <00:33:52.519>even <00:33:53.112>weirder.

821
00:33:53.685 --> 00:33:55.445
<00:33:53.685>I <00:33:53.860>was <00:33:54.034>on <00:33:54.210>the <00:33:54.385>beach <00:33:54.560>last <00:33:54.735>week, <00:33:54.909>uh, <00:33:55.085>uh,

822
00:33:55.505 --> 00:33:57.325
<00:33:55.505>in <00:33:55.705>here <00:33:55.905>on <00:33:56.105>the <00:33:56.305>Baltic <00:33:56.505>Sea <00:33:56.705>in <00:33:56.905>Germany,

823
00:33:57.505 --> 00:34:01.725
<00:33:57.505>and, <00:33:57.621>uh, <00:33:57.738>I <00:33:57.855>was, <00:33:57.971>as <00:33:58.088>I'm <00:33:58.205>ginger, <00:33:58.321>I <00:33:58.438>actually <00:33:58.555>stay <00:33:58.671>in <00:33:58.788>a <00:33:58.905>little

824
00:34:02.315 --> 00:34:04.725
<00:34:02.315>tent <00:34:02.470>on <00:34:02.626>the <00:34:02.781>beach <00:34:02.937>so <00:34:03.092>that <00:34:03.248>basically <00:34:03.403>I <00:34:03.559>don't <00:34:03.715>burn.

825
00:34:05.305 --> 00:34:07.085
<00:34:05.305>And <00:34:05.655>my <00:34:06.005>phone <00:34:06.355>turned <00:34:06.705>off

826
00:34:07.085 --> 00:34:09.245
<00:34:07.085>because <00:34:07.260>it <00:34:07.435>actually <00:34:07.610>said <00:34:07.785>it's, <00:34:07.960>it <00:34:08.135>went <00:34:08.310>too <00:34:08.485>hot,

827
00:34:09.245 --> 00:34:11.285
<00:34:09.245>because <00:34:09.420>in <00:34:09.594>there, <00:34:09.770>that <00:34:09.944>never <00:34:10.120>happened <00:34:10.295>to <00:34:10.469>me <00:34:10.645>before.

828
00:34:11.625 --> 00:34:13.765
<00:34:11.625>Yes. <00:34:11.780>I <00:34:11.936>didn't <00:34:12.091>know <00:34:12.247>there <00:34:12.402>was <00:34:12.558>a <00:34:12.713>feature <00:34:12.869>of <00:34:13.025>Android.

829
00:34:14.945 --> 00:34:17.605
<00:34:14.945>It <00:34:15.072>has <00:34:15.199>happened <00:34:15.326>to <00:34:15.454>me <00:34:15.581>a <00:34:15.708>lot <00:34:15.835>of <00:34:15.963>times, <00:34:16.090>uh, <00:34:16.217>not <00:34:16.345>only

830
00:34:17.795 --> 00:34:19.925
<00:34:17.795>with <00:34:18.075>my <00:34:18.355>phone, <00:34:18.635>but <00:34:18.915>also <00:34:19.195>yeah.

831
00:34:19.925 --> 00:34:22.925
<00:34:19.925>With, <00:34:20.100>uh, <00:34:20.275>tablets <00:34:20.450>and, <00:34:20.625>and <00:34:20.800>other <00:34:20.975>devices. <00:34:21.150>So, <00:34:21.325>yeah,

832
00:34:23.825 --> 00:34:27.285
<00:34:23.824>So <00:34:24.024>image <00:34:24.225>accessibility <00:34:24.424>is <00:34:24.625>another <00:34:24.824>interesting, <00:34:25.024>uh, <00:34:25.225>article

833
00:34:27.285 --> 00:34:29.885
<00:34:27.284>that <00:34:27.440>I, <00:34:27.596>that <00:34:27.751>I <00:34:27.907>found <00:34:28.062>fascinating <00:34:28.218>in <00:34:28.373>terms <00:34:28.529>of <00:34:28.685>like,

834
00:34:30.225 --> 00:34:33.765
<00:34:30.225>how <00:34:30.364>many <00:34:30.505>things <00:34:30.645>you <00:34:30.784>can <00:34:30.924>do <00:34:31.065>wrong <00:34:31.205>when <00:34:31.344>you're <00:34:31.485>actually, <00:34:31.625>uh,

835
00:34:33.765 --> 00:34:36.765
<00:34:33.764>using <00:34:33.940>a, <00:34:34.114>uh, <00:34:34.290>an <00:34:34.464>image <00:34:34.639>without <00:34:34.815>an <00:34:34.989>art <00:34:35.165>description,

836
00:34:36.995 --> 00:34:40.325
<00:34:36.995>without <00:34:37.275>pre <00:34:37.554>rendering, <00:34:37.835>without <00:34:38.114>like <00:34:38.395>dimensions

837
00:34:40.345 --> 00:34:41.565
<00:34:40.344>and <00:34:40.564>all <00:34:40.784>the <00:34:41.003>bits <00:34:41.223>and <00:34:41.443>bobs.

838
00:34:41.955 --> 00:34:43.765
<00:34:41.955>It's, <00:34:42.154>it's <00:34:42.355>very <00:34:42.554>easy <00:34:42.755>for <00:34:42.955>people <00:34:43.154>to <00:34:43.355>remember.

839
00:34:44.345 --> 00:34:46.205
<00:34:44.344>Uh, <00:34:44.694>it's <00:34:45.044>that <00:34:45.395>the <00:34:45.745>placeholder

840
00:34:46.225 --> 00:34:48.245
<00:34:46.225>and <00:34:46.458>stuff <00:34:46.691>is, <00:34:46.924>is <00:34:47.158>something <00:34:47.391>interesting <00:34:47.625>there.

841
00:34:48.305 --> 00:34:51.845
<00:34:48.304>And <00:34:48.480>it's <00:34:48.654>few <00:34:48.830>takeaways <00:34:49.004>just <00:34:49.179>to <00:34:49.355>make <00:34:49.529>images <00:34:49.705>accessible

842
00:34:52.425 --> 00:34:54.325
<00:34:52.425>and <00:34:52.625>it's <00:34:52.825>so <00:34:53.025>easy <00:34:53.225>to <00:34:53.425>do <00:34:53.625>it <00:34:53.825>right,

843
00:34:54.665 --> 00:34:56.645
<00:34:54.665>but <00:34:54.840>we <00:34:55.014>most <00:34:55.190>of <00:34:55.364>the <00:34:55.540>time <00:34:55.715>don't <00:34:55.889>do <00:34:56.065>it.

844
00:34:56.885 --> 00:34:59.445
<00:34:56.885>I <00:34:57.012>mean, <00:34:57.139>the <00:34:57.266>amount <00:34:57.394>of <00:34:57.521>times <00:34:57.648>I <00:34:57.775>see <00:34:57.903>social <00:34:58.030>media <00:34:58.157>posts <00:34:58.285>without

845
00:34:59.445 --> 00:35:01.125
<00:34:59.445>alternative <00:34:59.911>text, <00:35:00.378>but <00:35:00.845>that's

846
00:35:01.125 --> 00:35:02.845
<00:35:01.125>because <00:35:01.591>unlike <00:35:02.058>every <00:35:02.525>platform,

847
00:35:02.845 --> 00:35:04.565
<00:35:02.845>I <00:35:03.044>know <00:35:03.245>it's <00:35:03.444>like <00:35:03.645>a <00:35:03.845>three <00:35:04.044>click <00:35:04.245>exercise

848
00:35:04.565 --> 00:35:07.085
<00:35:04.565>to <00:35:04.765>put <00:35:04.965>alternative <00:35:05.165>text <00:35:05.365>on <00:35:05.565>an <00:35:05.765>image. <00:35:05.965>I

849
00:35:07.085 --> 00:35:08.805
<00:35:07.085>Wonder <00:35:07.225>if <00:35:07.365>there's <00:35:07.505>a <00:35:07.645>way <00:35:07.785>they <00:35:07.925>could <00:35:08.065>actually <00:35:08.205>make <00:35:08.345>it <00:35:08.485>so

850
00:35:08.805 --> 00:35:11.005
<00:35:08.805>that <00:35:08.960>you, <00:35:09.116>you, <00:35:09.271>you <00:35:09.427>get <00:35:09.582>rewarded <00:35:09.738>if <00:35:09.893>you <00:35:10.049>do <00:35:10.205>it.

851
00:35:11.205 --> 00:35:12.285
<00:35:11.205>I <00:35:11.399>know <00:35:11.593>there's <00:35:11.788>almost <00:35:11.982>no <00:35:12.176>benefit

852
00:35:12.385 --> 00:35:14.445
<00:35:12.385>to <00:35:12.560>the <00:35:12.735>actual <00:35:12.910>social <00:35:13.085>media <00:35:13.260>companies <00:35:13.435>to <00:35:13.610>doing <00:35:13.785>this.

853
00:35:14.445 --> 00:35:15.605
<00:35:14.445>Right. <00:35:14.619>But <00:35:14.793>you <00:35:14.967>would <00:35:15.141>think <00:35:15.315>it <00:35:15.489>would,

854
00:35:15.705 --> 00:35:17.325
<00:35:15.705>it <00:35:15.880>would <00:35:16.055>just <00:35:16.230>be <00:35:16.404>a <00:35:16.580>really <00:35:16.755>good <00:35:16.930>like <00:35:17.105>upgrade

855
00:35:17.325 --> 00:35:19.085
<00:35:17.325>where <00:35:17.558>if <00:35:17.791>they <00:35:18.024>could <00:35:18.258>say, <00:35:18.491>okay, <00:35:18.725>there's,

856
00:35:19.085 --> 00:35:21.205
<00:35:19.085>it's <00:35:19.240>in <00:35:19.396>the <00:35:19.551>algorithm <00:35:19.707>that <00:35:19.862>like <00:35:20.018>images <00:35:20.173>that <00:35:20.329>have, <00:35:20.485>uh,

857
00:35:21.205 --> 00:35:24.165
<00:35:21.205>that <00:35:21.345>have <00:35:21.485>got <00:35:21.625>alt <00:35:21.765>tags <00:35:21.904>are <00:35:22.045>more <00:35:22.185>favorable <00:35:22.325>to <00:35:22.465>the <00:35:22.605>algorithm,

858
00:35:24.395 --> 00:35:25.685
<00:35:24.395>more <00:35:24.685>likely <00:35:24.975>to <00:35:25.265>get <00:35:25.556>exposure

859
00:35:25.785 --> 00:35:28.285
<00:35:25.785>and <00:35:25.901>kind <00:35:26.018>of <00:35:26.134>re <00:35:26.251>you <00:35:26.368>know, <00:35:26.484>re <00:35:26.601>uh, <00:35:26.718>actually <00:35:26.835>be <00:35:26.951>seen <00:35:27.068>by <00:35:27.185>people.

860
00:35:28.545 --> 00:35:30.445
<00:35:28.545>To <00:35:28.700>me, <00:35:28.856>that <00:35:29.011>would <00:35:29.167>be <00:35:29.322>like <00:35:29.478>a <00:35:29.633>really <00:35:29.789>good <00:35:29.945>way

861
00:35:30.445 --> 00:35:33.645
<00:35:30.445>of <00:35:30.561>just <00:35:30.678>saying <00:35:30.795>it's <00:35:30.911>now <00:35:31.028>one <00:35:31.145>factor <00:35:31.261>a <00:35:31.378>bit <00:35:31.495>like <00:35:31.611>with <00:35:31.728>SEO <00:35:31.845>loads

862
00:35:33.645 --> 00:35:35.285
<00:35:33.645>of <00:35:33.800>different <00:35:33.956>factors, <00:35:34.111>but <00:35:34.267>it'd <00:35:34.422>be <00:35:34.578>a <00:35:34.733>really <00:35:34.889>good <00:35:35.045>way

863
00:35:35.345 --> 00:35:37.405
<00:35:35.345>of <00:35:35.500>saying, <00:35:35.656>we're <00:35:35.811>just <00:35:35.967>gonna <00:35:36.122>encourage <00:35:36.278>you <00:35:36.433>to <00:35:36.589>do <00:35:36.745>this

864
00:35:37.425 --> 00:35:39.085
<00:35:37.425>and <00:35:37.600>we're <00:35:37.775>not <00:35:37.950>gonna <00:35:38.125>make <00:35:38.300>it <00:35:38.475>an <00:35:38.650>obvious <00:35:38.825>thing

865
00:35:39.085 --> 00:35:40.965
<00:35:39.085>or <00:35:39.260>force <00:35:39.435>you <00:35:39.610>we're <00:35:39.785>just <00:35:39.960>gonna <00:35:40.135>say, <00:35:40.310>you, <00:35:40.485>you,

866
00:35:40.965 --> 00:35:42.205
<00:35:40.965>you're <00:35:41.151>gonna <00:35:41.337>do <00:35:41.523>better <00:35:41.709>if <00:35:41.895>you <00:35:42.081>like,

867
00:35:42.205 --> 00:35:44.005
<00:35:42.205>more <00:35:42.332>people <00:35:42.459>are <00:35:42.586>gonna <00:35:42.714>see <00:35:42.841>what <00:35:42.968>you <00:35:43.095>post <00:35:43.223>if <00:35:43.350>you <00:35:43.477>do <00:35:43.605>it.

868
00:35:44.645 --> 00:35:46.205
<00:35:44.645>I <00:35:44.925>think, <00:35:45.205>I <00:35:45.485>dunno, <00:35:45.765>I'm <00:35:46.045>not,

869
00:35:46.245 --> 00:35:47.885
<00:35:46.245>I <00:35:46.372>don't <00:35:46.499>run <00:35:46.626>the <00:35:46.754>world <00:35:46.881>I <00:35:47.008>wish <00:35:47.135>I <00:35:47.263>did, <00:35:47.390>but, <00:35:47.517>you <00:35:47.645>know.

870
00:35:48.545 --> 00:35:52.765
<00:35:48.545>Mm-hmm. <00:35:48.700>Yeah. <00:35:48.856>It's, <00:35:49.011>I <00:35:49.167>mean, <00:35:49.322>it's, <00:35:49.478>it, <00:35:49.633>it <00:35:49.789>is <00:35:49.945>beneficial

871
00:35:52.825 --> 00:35:54.205
<00:35:52.825>to <00:35:53.135>the <00:35:53.446>providers <00:35:53.756>as <00:35:54.067>well

872
00:35:54.205 --> 00:35:55.445
<00:35:54.205>because <00:35:54.484>it <00:35:54.763>would <00:35:55.042>allow <00:35:55.321>them

873
00:35:55.445 --> 00:35:57.765
<00:35:55.445>to <00:35:55.600>index <00:35:55.756>images <00:35:55.911>better <00:35:56.067>rather <00:35:56.222>than <00:35:56.378>having <00:35:56.533>to <00:35:56.689>run <00:35:56.845>them

874
00:35:57.765 --> 00:35:59.845
<00:35:57.765>through <00:35:57.920>an <00:35:58.076>AI <00:35:58.231>bot <00:35:58.387>to <00:35:58.542>know <00:35:58.698>what's <00:35:58.853>on <00:35:59.009>the <00:35:59.165>image.

875
00:36:00.475 --> 00:36:01.605
<00:36:00.475>Yeah, <00:36:00.814>true. <00:36:01.153>You <00:36:01.492>know,

876
00:36:01.705 --> 00:36:04.525
<00:36:01.705>but <00:36:01.880>then <00:36:02.055>again, <00:36:02.230>text <00:36:02.404>should <00:36:02.580>not <00:36:02.755>describe <00:36:02.930>the <00:36:03.105>image,

877
00:36:04.545 --> 00:36:06.605
<00:36:04.545>but <00:36:04.685>should <00:36:04.825>actually <00:36:04.965>give <00:36:05.105>the <00:36:05.245>mood <00:36:05.385>of <00:36:05.525>the <00:36:05.665>image <00:36:05.805>as <00:36:05.945>well.

878
00:36:06.705 --> 00:36:09.045
<00:36:06.705>So <00:36:06.832>that <00:36:06.959>would <00:36:07.086>be <00:36:07.214>an <00:36:07.341>extra <00:36:07.468>feature <00:36:07.595>as <00:36:07.723>well <00:36:07.850>that <00:36:07.977>comes <00:36:08.105>in

879
00:36:09.065 --> 00:36:11.445
<00:36:09.065>for <00:36:09.345>properly <00:36:09.625>written <00:36:09.905>alternative <00:36:10.185>text. <00:36:10.465>Mm-hmm.

880
00:36:11.525 --> 00:36:14.645
<00:36:11.525>Mm-hmm. <00:36:11.700>Yeah, <00:36:11.875>I <00:36:12.050>was, <00:36:12.225>I <00:36:12.400>was, <00:36:12.575>uh, <00:36:12.750>actually, <00:36:12.925>uh,

881
00:36:14.645 --> 00:36:18.925
<00:36:14.645>thinking <00:36:14.785>about <00:36:14.925>that, <00:36:15.065>if, <00:36:15.205>uh, <00:36:15.345>with <00:36:15.485>ai, <00:36:15.625>is <00:36:15.765>it, <00:36:15.905>it's <00:36:16.045>going

882
00:36:18.925 --> 00:36:21.805
<00:36:18.925>to <00:36:19.041>be <00:36:19.158>like <00:36:19.275>in <00:36:19.391>the <00:36:19.508>upcoming, <00:36:19.625>uh, <00:36:19.741>I <00:36:19.858>was <00:36:19.975>going <00:36:20.091>to <00:36:20.208>see <00:36:20.325>years,

883
00:36:21.825 --> 00:36:25.965
<00:36:21.825>but <00:36:21.980>maybe <00:36:22.136>in <00:36:22.291>the <00:36:22.447>upcoming <00:36:22.602>months, <00:36:22.758>like, <00:36:22.913>uh, <00:36:23.069>uh, <00:36:23.225>let,

884
00:36:25.965 --> 00:36:28.925
<00:36:25.965>let's <00:36:26.120>say <00:36:26.276>that <00:36:26.431>maybe <00:36:26.587>developers <00:36:26.742>don't <00:36:26.898>put <00:36:27.053>that <00:36:27.209>much <00:36:27.365>effort,

885
00:36:28.925 --> 00:36:31.365
<00:36:28.925>effort <00:36:29.275>on <00:36:29.625>putting <00:36:29.975>alternative <00:36:30.325>text

886
00:36:31.365 --> 00:36:35.165
<00:36:31.365>because <00:36:31.520>they <00:36:31.676>think <00:36:31.831>that <00:36:31.987>there's <00:36:32.142>gonna <00:36:32.298>be <00:36:32.453>an <00:36:32.609>ai, <00:36:32.765>uh,

887
00:36:35.315 --> 00:36:36.325
<00:36:35.315>that <00:36:35.618>in <00:36:35.921>the <00:36:36.223>browser

888
00:36:36.465 --> 00:36:39.925
<00:36:36.465>or <00:36:36.640>in <00:36:36.815>the <00:36:36.990>applications <00:36:37.165>they, <00:36:37.340>they <00:36:37.515>use <00:36:37.690>people <00:36:37.865>uses

889
00:36:40.275 --> 00:36:43.605
<00:36:40.275>that <00:36:40.450>is <00:36:40.625>going <00:36:40.800>to <00:36:40.975>like, <00:36:41.150>just <00:36:41.325>do <00:36:41.500>that <00:36:41.675>function.

890
00:36:44.145 --> 00:36:45.765
<00:36:44.145>Or <00:36:44.495>on <00:36:44.845>the <00:36:45.195>other <00:36:45.545>side.

891
00:36:46.105 --> 00:36:50.405
<00:36:46.105>Why <00:36:46.221>don't <00:36:46.338>they, <00:36:46.455>I <00:36:46.571>know <00:36:46.688>like, <00:36:46.805>uh, <00:36:46.921>if <00:36:47.038>if <00:36:47.155>they <00:36:47.271>are <00:36:47.388>not <00:36:47.505>used

892
00:36:50.405 --> 00:36:53.125
<00:36:50.405>to <00:36:50.545>do <00:36:50.685>that, <00:36:50.825>why <00:36:50.965>didn't <00:36:51.105>they <00:36:51.245>don't <00:36:51.385>use <00:36:51.525>like <00:36:51.665>these <00:36:51.805>tools

893
00:36:53.545 --> 00:36:57.445
<00:36:53.545>or <00:36:53.700>whatever <00:36:53.856>to <00:36:54.011>check, <00:36:54.167>um, <00:36:54.322>if <00:36:54.478>they <00:36:54.633>are, <00:36:54.789>uh, <00:36:54.945>if,

894
00:36:57.445 --> 00:36:59.845
<00:36:57.445>if <00:36:57.725>they're <00:36:58.005>missing, <00:36:58.285>um, <00:36:58.565>alternative <00:36:58.845>text

895
00:37:00.025 --> 00:37:03.085
<00:37:00.025>or <00:37:00.200>if, <00:37:00.375>uh, <00:37:00.550>this, <00:37:00.725>uh, <00:37:00.900>descriptions <00:37:01.075>are <00:37:01.250>well <00:37:01.425>enough.

896
00:37:03.285 --> 00:37:06.205
<00:37:03.285>I <00:37:03.412>mean, <00:37:03.539>I <00:37:03.666>don't <00:37:03.794>know <00:37:03.921>if <00:37:04.048>it's <00:37:04.175>gonna <00:37:04.303>happen <00:37:04.430>like <00:37:04.557>one <00:37:04.685>thing

897
00:37:06.225 --> 00:37:07.645
<00:37:06.225>or <00:37:06.651>the <00:37:07.077>other, <00:37:07.503>basically.

898
00:37:08.435 --> 00:37:10.605
<00:37:08.435>Yeah, <00:37:08.575>I <00:37:08.715>mean <00:37:08.855>there's <00:37:08.995>also <00:37:09.134>the <00:37:09.275>problem <00:37:09.415>when <00:37:09.555>you <00:37:09.695>have <00:37:09.835>like

899
00:37:10.605 --> 00:37:13.365
<00:37:10.605>content <00:37:10.805>management <00:37:11.005>systems <00:37:11.205>saying <00:37:11.405>like, <00:37:11.605>add <00:37:11.805>a <00:37:12.005>description.

900
00:37:14.035 --> 00:37:17.085
<00:37:14.035>Like <00:37:14.174>I <00:37:14.315>think <00:37:14.455>a <00:37:14.595>description <00:37:14.734>is <00:37:14.875>a <00:37:15.015>different <00:37:15.154>thing <00:37:15.295>from <00:37:15.435>a

901
00:37:17.085 --> 00:37:18.845
<00:37:17.085>caption, <00:37:17.435>from <00:37:17.785>an <00:37:18.135>alternative <00:37:18.485>text.

902
00:37:18.845 --> 00:37:22.165
<00:37:18.845>Yeah. <00:37:19.000>From <00:37:19.156>a <00:37:19.311>title. <00:37:19.467>I <00:37:19.622>remember <00:37:19.778>title <00:37:19.933>attributes <00:37:20.089>have <00:37:20.245>always

903
00:37:22.165 --> 00:37:24.485
<00:37:22.165>been <00:37:22.340>abused <00:37:22.515>for <00:37:22.690>like, <00:37:22.865>showing <00:37:23.040>extra <00:37:23.215>information <00:37:23.390>when <00:37:23.565>you

904
00:37:24.485 --> 00:37:27.725
<00:37:24.485>hover <00:37:24.625>over <00:37:24.765>things <00:37:24.905>rather <00:37:25.045>than <00:37:25.185>just <00:37:25.325>like <00:37:25.465>being <00:37:25.605>a <00:37:25.745>title, <00:37:25.885>uh,

905
00:37:27.725 --> 00:37:28.765
<00:37:27.725>that, <00:37:28.661>uh,

906
00:37:28.795 --> 00:37:31.925
<00:37:28.795>that <00:37:28.911>gives <00:37:29.028>more <00:37:29.145>information <00:37:29.261>when <00:37:29.378>it's <00:37:29.495>just <00:37:29.611>an <00:37:29.728>icon <00:37:29.845>or <00:37:29.961>something <00:37:30.078>like <00:37:30.195>that.

907
00:37:32.025 --> 00:37:34.765
<00:37:32.025>But <00:37:32.180>it <00:37:32.336>was <00:37:32.491>never <00:37:32.647>read <00:37:32.802>out <00:37:32.958>by <00:37:33.113>screen <00:37:33.269>readers <00:37:33.425>properly,

908
00:37:34.865 --> 00:37:37.445
<00:37:34.865>so <00:37:35.004>it <00:37:35.145>was <00:37:35.285>not <00:37:35.424>an <00:37:35.564>ex, <00:37:35.705>uh, <00:37:35.845>it's <00:37:35.984>a <00:37:36.125>messy <00:37:36.265>thing.

909
00:37:37.585 --> 00:37:40.525
<00:37:37.585>And <00:37:37.712>the <00:37:37.839>amount <00:37:37.966>of <00:37:38.094>times <00:37:38.221>I <00:37:38.348>had <00:37:38.475>customers <00:37:38.603>in <00:37:38.730>the <00:37:38.857>early <00:37:38.985>days

910
00:37:40.525 --> 00:37:41.725
<00:37:40.525>of <00:37:40.705>the <00:37:40.885>web <00:37:41.065>that <00:37:41.245>actually <00:37:41.425>said <00:37:41.605>like,

911
00:37:41.725 --> 00:37:43.325
<00:37:41.725>how <00:37:41.958>can <00:37:42.191>I <00:37:42.424>style <00:37:42.658>the <00:37:42.891>title <00:37:43.125>attribute?

912
00:37:43.475 --> 00:37:44.645
<00:37:43.475>Like, <00:37:43.738>how <00:37:44.001>can <00:37:44.264>I <00:37:44.528>actually,

913
00:37:45.425 --> 00:37:48.325
<00:37:45.425>so <00:37:45.658>PSO <00:37:45.891>people <00:37:46.125>wrote <00:37:46.358>like <00:37:46.591>JavaScript <00:37:46.825>functions

914
00:37:48.325 --> 00:37:50.285
<00:37:48.325>that <00:37:48.605>would <00:37:48.884>create <00:37:49.165>an, <00:37:49.444>uh, <00:37:49.725>an

915
00:37:50.285 --> 00:37:54.605
<00:37:50.285>after <00:37:50.440>element <00:37:50.596>with <00:37:50.751>CSS <00:37:50.907>based <00:37:51.062>on <00:37:51.218>the <00:37:51.373>title <00:37:51.529>attribute <00:37:51.685>you.

916
00:37:54.705 --> 00:37:56.965
<00:37:54.705>So <00:37:54.860>you <00:37:55.016>could <00:37:55.171>do <00:37:55.327>that <00:37:55.482>in <00:37:55.638>CSS <00:37:55.793>only <00:37:55.949>as <00:37:56.105>well,

917
00:37:57.305 --> 00:37:58.725
<00:37:57.305>but <00:37:57.560>it <00:37:57.816>was <00:37:58.071>all <00:37:58.327>not <00:37:58.583>accessible

918
00:37:58.785 --> 00:38:00.845
<00:37:58.785>and <00:37:58.940>it <00:37:59.096>was <00:37:59.251>all <00:37:59.407>really <00:37:59.562>bizarre <00:37:59.718>to <00:37:59.873>actually <00:38:00.029>do <00:38:00.185>that.

919
00:38:00.985 --> 00:38:02.845
<00:38:00.985>But <00:38:01.218>alternative <00:38:01.451>texts <00:38:01.685>can <00:38:01.918>even <00:38:02.151>be <00:38:02.385>styled.

920
00:38:03.405 --> 00:38:04.925
<00:38:03.405>'cause <00:38:03.633>when <00:38:03.861>the <00:38:04.089>image <00:38:04.317>can't <00:38:04.545>be <00:38:04.773>loaded,

921
00:38:05.105 --> 00:38:07.805
<00:38:05.105>you <00:38:05.245>can <00:38:05.385>actually <00:38:05.525>show <00:38:05.665>it <00:38:05.805>differently <00:38:05.945>than <00:38:06.085>just <00:38:06.225>like <00:38:06.365>a <00:38:06.505>broken

922
00:38:07.855 --> 00:38:10.085
<00:38:07.855>image <00:38:08.030>and <00:38:08.205>the, <00:38:08.380>uh, <00:38:08.555>and <00:38:08.730>just <00:38:08.905>a <00:38:09.080>text <00:38:09.255>showing.

923
00:38:10.665 --> 00:38:12.485
<00:38:10.665>So <00:38:10.820>that <00:38:10.976>was, <00:38:11.131>uh, <00:38:11.287>that <00:38:11.442>was <00:38:11.598>an <00:38:11.753>interesting <00:38:11.909>thing <00:38:12.065>I

924
00:38:12.485 --> 00:38:13.565
<00:38:12.485>found <00:38:12.647>out <00:38:12.809>the <00:38:12.971>other <00:38:13.133>day <00:38:13.295>as <00:38:13.457>well.

925
00:38:14.645 --> 00:38:16.725
<00:38:14.645>Keyboard <00:38:14.995>accessibility <00:38:15.345>is <00:38:15.695>another <00:38:16.045>thing

926
00:38:16.725 --> 00:38:18.365
<00:38:16.725>that <00:38:17.075>I <00:38:17.424>found <00:38:17.775>very <00:38:18.125>fascinating.

927
00:38:18.475 --> 00:38:21.765
<00:38:18.475>This, <00:38:18.615>uh, <00:38:18.755>this <00:38:18.895>article, <00:38:19.035>uh, <00:38:19.174>about <00:38:19.315>like, <00:38:19.455>what <00:38:19.595>can <00:38:19.735>you <00:38:19.875>do

928
00:38:21.765 --> 00:38:24.925
<00:38:21.765>to <00:38:21.964>actually <00:38:22.165>make <00:38:22.365>a <00:38:22.565>website <00:38:22.765>properly <00:38:22.964>keyboard <00:38:23.165>accessible?

929
00:38:25.545 --> 00:38:27.605
<00:38:25.545>And <00:38:25.778>it's, <00:38:26.011>so <00:38:26.245>many <00:38:26.478>people <00:38:26.711>need <00:38:26.945>this,

930
00:38:27.865 --> 00:38:29.485
<00:38:27.865>and <00:38:28.098>it's <00:38:28.331>so <00:38:28.564>easy <00:38:28.798>to <00:38:29.031>do <00:38:29.265>right?

931
00:38:29.665 --> 00:38:32.445
<00:38:29.665>And <00:38:29.820>so <00:38:29.976>easy <00:38:30.131>to <00:38:30.287>do <00:38:30.442>to <00:38:30.598>not <00:38:30.753>put, <00:38:30.909>uh, <00:38:31.065>uh,

932
00:38:32.505 --> 00:38:34.645
<00:38:32.505>to <00:38:32.705>just <00:38:32.905>put <00:38:33.105>an <00:38:33.305>outline, <00:38:33.505>none <00:38:33.705>on <00:38:33.905>hover.

933
00:38:35.225 --> 00:38:36.805
<00:38:35.225>And <00:38:35.458>then <00:38:35.691>you <00:38:35.924>wonder <00:38:36.158>why <00:38:36.391>people <00:38:36.625>don't,

934
00:38:36.815 --> 00:38:38.245
<00:38:36.815>can't <00:38:37.244>navigate <00:38:37.673>your <00:38:38.102>website.

935
00:38:38.745 --> 00:38:42.765
<00:38:38.745>But, <00:38:38.884>uh, <00:38:39.025>it's, <00:38:39.165>I <00:38:39.305>can <00:38:39.444>encourage <00:38:39.585>anyone <00:38:39.725>to <00:38:39.865>look <00:38:40.005>at <00:38:40.145>people

936
00:38:42.765 --> 00:38:46.165
<00:38:42.765>that <00:38:42.920>are <00:38:43.076>dependent <00:38:43.231>on <00:38:43.387>the <00:38:43.542>keyboard, <00:38:43.698>what <00:38:43.853>they <00:38:44.009>actually <00:38:44.165>use,

937
00:38:46.185 --> 00:38:48.765
<00:38:46.185>the <00:38:46.360>keyboard, <00:38:46.535>how <00:38:46.710>they <00:38:46.884>use <00:38:47.060>the <00:38:47.235>keyboard <00:38:47.410>to <00:38:47.585>navigate.

938
00:38:48.765 --> 00:38:50.405
<00:38:48.765>It's <00:38:48.964>not <00:38:49.165>tapping <00:38:49.365>from <00:38:49.565>one <00:38:49.765>area <00:38:49.964>to <00:38:50.165>another.

939
00:38:50.405 --> 00:38:51.805
<00:38:50.405>There's <00:38:50.615>lots <00:38:50.825>of <00:38:51.035>other <00:38:51.245>things <00:38:51.455>in <00:38:51.665>there.

940
00:38:51.905 --> 00:38:54.765
<00:38:51.905>And <00:38:52.105>it's, <00:38:52.305>uh, <00:38:52.505>it's <00:38:52.705>interesting <00:38:52.905>to <00:38:53.105>make <00:38:53.305>these,

941
00:38:55.305 --> 00:38:57.605
<00:38:55.305>to <00:38:55.480>think <00:38:55.654>about <00:38:55.830>these <00:38:56.004>different <00:38:56.180>idioms <00:38:56.355>that <00:38:56.529>we <00:38:56.705>do.

942
00:38:57.845 --> 00:39:00.525
<00:38:57.845>I <00:38:58.020>mean, <00:38:58.194>it <00:38:58.370>was <00:38:58.544>very <00:38:58.720>easy <00:38:58.895>when, <00:38:59.069>when, <00:38:59.245>uh,

943
00:39:00.525 --> 00:39:03.565
<00:39:00.525>smartphones <00:39:00.665>came <00:39:00.805>out <00:39:00.945>and <00:39:01.085>all <00:39:01.225>of <00:39:01.365>a <00:39:01.505>sudden <00:39:01.645>everybody <00:39:01.785>was <00:39:01.925>like,

944
00:39:03.565 --> 00:39:05.445
<00:39:03.565>oh, <00:39:03.765>I <00:39:03.965>gotta, <00:39:04.165>I <00:39:04.365>gotta <00:39:04.565>support <00:39:04.765>touch <00:39:04.965>now

945
00:39:05.675 --> 00:39:07.365
<00:39:05.675>because <00:39:05.955>we <00:39:06.235>had <00:39:06.515>a <00:39:06.795>cool <00:39:07.075>phone,

946
00:39:07.425 --> 00:39:09.285
<00:39:07.425>but <00:39:07.600>with <00:39:07.775>a <00:39:07.950>keyboard, <00:39:08.125>people <00:39:08.300>never <00:39:08.475>thought <00:39:08.650>of <00:39:08.825>it

947
00:39:09.285 --> 00:39:11.485
<00:39:09.285>because <00:39:09.634>that's <00:39:09.984>like <00:39:10.335>1970s <00:39:10.685>technology.

948
00:39:11.585 --> 00:39:12.685
<00:39:11.585>We <00:39:11.783>don't <00:39:11.981>want <00:39:12.179>to <00:39:12.377>do <00:39:12.575>that.

949
00:39:13.665 --> 00:39:15.445
<00:39:13.665>But <00:39:13.865>it <00:39:14.065>was, <00:39:14.265>it <00:39:14.465>was <00:39:14.665>interesting <00:39:14.865>that <00:39:15.065>like,

950
00:39:15.465 --> 00:39:17.685
<00:39:15.465>by <00:39:15.665>making <00:39:15.865>it <00:39:16.065>easier <00:39:16.265>to <00:39:16.465>navigate <00:39:16.665>that <00:39:16.865>way,

951
00:39:17.685 --> 00:39:19.165
<00:39:17.685>you <00:39:17.907>probably <00:39:18.129>make <00:39:18.351>it <00:39:18.573>easier <00:39:18.795>to <00:39:19.017>navigate

952
00:39:19.165 --> 00:39:20.285
<00:39:19.165>for <00:39:19.417>everybody <00:39:19.669>else <00:39:19.921>as <00:39:20.173>well.

953
00:39:20.715 --> 00:39:21.925
<00:39:20.715>There's <00:39:20.987>something <00:39:21.259>about <00:39:21.531>Chris, <00:39:21.804>I,

954
00:39:21.965 --> 00:39:24.285
<00:39:21.965>I <00:39:22.120>remember <00:39:22.276>you <00:39:22.431>saying <00:39:22.587>about, <00:39:22.742>um, <00:39:22.898>earlier <00:39:23.053>on <00:39:23.209>you <00:39:23.365>said,

955
00:39:24.285 --> 00:39:26.725
<00:39:24.285>why <00:39:24.412>do <00:39:24.539>we <00:39:24.666>try <00:39:24.794>make <00:39:24.921>the <00:39:25.048>web, <00:39:25.175>like, <00:39:25.303>like <00:39:25.430>newspapers <00:39:25.557>and <00:39:25.685>try

956
00:39:26.725 --> 00:39:29.125
<00:39:26.725>and <00:39:26.865>make <00:39:27.005>them, <00:39:27.145>you <00:39:27.285>know, <00:39:27.424>kind <00:39:27.565>of, <00:39:27.705>uh, <00:39:27.845>it's <00:39:27.985>almost <00:39:28.125>like,

957
00:39:29.145 --> 00:39:31.125
<00:39:29.145>you <00:39:29.272>know, <00:39:29.399>we <00:39:29.526>have <00:39:29.654>this <00:39:29.781>idea <00:39:29.908>of <00:39:30.035>if <00:39:30.163>you're <00:39:30.290>in <00:39:30.417>the <00:39:30.545>west,

958
00:39:31.125 --> 00:39:32.965
<00:39:31.125>you <00:39:31.280>read <00:39:31.436>left <00:39:31.591>to <00:39:31.747>right, <00:39:31.902>you <00:39:32.058>know, <00:39:32.213>things <00:39:32.369>like <00:39:32.525>this

959
00:39:32.965 --> 00:39:34.445
<00:39:32.965>that <00:39:33.187>we're <00:39:33.409>putting <00:39:33.631>our <00:39:33.853>kind <00:39:34.075>of, <00:39:34.297>uh,

960
00:39:34.445 --> 00:39:35.725
<00:39:34.445>justifying <00:39:34.733>things <00:39:35.021>to <00:39:35.309>the <00:39:35.596>left.

961
00:39:36.105 --> 00:39:37.405
<00:39:36.105>Um, <00:39:36.495>in <00:39:36.885>some <00:39:37.275>ways,

962
00:39:37.405 --> 00:39:39.005
<00:39:37.405>when <00:39:37.685>you <00:39:37.965>make <00:39:38.245>something <00:39:38.525>keyboard <00:39:38.805>accessible,

963
00:39:39.115 --> 00:39:41.805
<00:39:39.115>it's <00:39:39.290>making <00:39:39.464>you, <00:39:39.640>it's <00:39:39.814>making <00:39:39.990>you <00:39:40.165>think <00:39:40.339>about <00:39:40.515>how

964
00:39:41.835 --> 00:39:44.365
<00:39:41.835>that <00:39:41.990>is <00:39:42.146>consumed <00:39:42.301>in, <00:39:42.457>it's <00:39:42.612>very <00:39:42.768>hard <00:39:42.923>to <00:39:43.079>describe <00:39:43.235>this,

965
00:39:44.365 --> 00:39:46.645
<00:39:44.365>like <00:39:44.520>in <00:39:44.676>a, <00:39:44.831>in <00:39:44.987>a <00:39:45.142>logical <00:39:45.298>order, <00:39:45.453>something <00:39:45.609>very <00:39:45.765>simple.

966
00:39:46.645 --> 00:39:50.925
<00:39:46.645>Like <00:39:46.772>tab <00:39:46.899>index <00:39:47.026>we <00:39:47.154>saw <00:39:47.281>the <00:39:47.408>other <00:39:47.535>day, <00:39:47.663>um, <00:39:47.790>was <00:39:47.917>on <00:39:48.045>a,

967
00:39:51.025 --> 00:39:52.085
<00:39:51.025>it <00:39:51.215>was <00:39:51.406>on <00:39:51.597>a <00:39:51.788>Google <00:39:51.979>page

968
00:39:52.105 --> 00:39:54.285
<00:39:52.105>and <00:39:52.280>you <00:39:52.455>could <00:39:52.630>not <00:39:52.805>actually <00:39:52.980>get <00:39:53.155>to <00:39:53.330>this <00:39:53.505>menu

969
00:39:54.315 --> 00:39:57.445
<00:39:54.315>that <00:39:54.490>was <00:39:54.665>covering <00:39:54.840>the <00:39:55.015>present <00:39:55.190>button <00:39:55.365>on <00:39:55.540>Google <00:39:55.715>Slides.

970
00:39:57.585 --> 00:39:59.405
<00:39:57.585>So <00:39:57.785>it <00:39:57.985>meant <00:39:58.185>that, <00:39:58.385>um, <00:39:58.585>our, <00:39:58.785>our <00:39:58.985>speaker

971
00:39:59.505 --> 00:40:01.965
<00:39:59.505>who <00:39:59.705>was <00:39:59.905>using <00:40:00.105>assistive <00:40:00.305>technology <00:40:00.505>could <00:40:00.705>not <00:40:00.905>actually

972
00:40:01.965 --> 00:40:03.085
<00:40:01.965>start <00:40:02.301>their <00:40:02.637>own <00:40:02.973>presentation.

973
00:40:03.275 --> 00:40:04.805
<00:40:03.275>They <00:40:03.447>had <00:40:03.619>to <00:40:03.791>say <00:40:03.963>to <00:40:04.135>somebody <00:40:04.307>else, <00:40:04.479>can <00:40:04.652>you,

974
00:40:04.865 --> 00:40:05.885
<00:40:04.865>can <00:40:05.018>you <00:40:05.171>put <00:40:05.324>it <00:40:05.477>on <00:40:05.630>your <00:40:05.783>screen?

975
00:40:06.385 --> 00:40:09.245
<00:40:06.385>Um, <00:40:06.540>and <00:40:06.696>it, <00:40:06.851>it, <00:40:07.007>it <00:40:07.162>made <00:40:07.318>you <00:40:07.473>think, <00:40:07.629>well, <00:40:07.785>it,

976
00:40:09.355 --> 00:40:10.645
<00:40:09.355>what <00:40:09.548>they <00:40:09.742>haven't <00:40:09.935>done <00:40:10.129>there <00:40:10.322>is <00:40:10.516>like,

977
00:40:10.645 --> 00:40:12.725
<00:40:10.645>if <00:40:10.845>you're <00:40:11.045>making <00:40:11.245>a <00:40:11.445>newspaper <00:40:11.645>with <00:40:11.845>the <00:40:12.045>hierarchy

978
00:40:12.725 --> 00:40:14.725
<00:40:12.725>of <00:40:12.880>your <00:40:13.036>text, <00:40:13.191>you're <00:40:13.347>saying <00:40:13.502>read <00:40:13.658>it <00:40:13.813>in <00:40:13.969>this <00:40:14.125>order,

979
00:40:14.755 --> 00:40:16.565
<00:40:14.755>like <00:40:14.988>from <00:40:15.221>the <00:40:15.455>top <00:40:15.688>down <00:40:15.921>into <00:40:16.155>this

980
00:40:16.565 --> 00:40:17.805
<00:40:16.565>subheader <00:40:16.844>down <00:40:17.123>into <00:40:17.402>the <00:40:17.681>body.

981
00:40:18.305 --> 00:40:20.365
<00:40:18.305>And <00:40:18.460>just <00:40:18.616>by <00:40:18.771>doing <00:40:18.927>something <00:40:19.082>really <00:40:19.238>simple <00:40:19.393>like <00:40:19.549>tab <00:40:19.705>index,

982
00:40:20.365 --> 00:40:21.565
<00:40:20.365>you're <00:40:20.725>actually <00:40:21.085>saying, <00:40:21.445>uh,

983
00:40:21.565 --> 00:40:24.005
<00:40:21.565>and <00:40:21.705>the <00:40:21.845>tab <00:40:21.985>order, <00:40:22.125>you're <00:40:22.265>saying, <00:40:22.405>I <00:40:22.545>want <00:40:22.685>you <00:40:22.825>to, <00:40:22.965>um,

984
00:40:24.035 --> 00:40:25.285
<00:40:24.035>consume <00:40:24.316>it <00:40:24.597>in <00:40:24.878>this <00:40:25.160>order.

985
00:40:25.645 --> 00:40:27.205
<00:40:25.645>I <00:40:25.845>want <00:40:26.045>you <00:40:26.245>to <00:40:26.445>go <00:40:26.645>through <00:40:26.845>the <00:40:27.045>page.

986
00:40:27.585 --> 00:40:29.405
<00:40:27.585>And <00:40:27.760>so <00:40:27.935>we're <00:40:28.110>actually <00:40:28.285>like, <00:40:28.460>it's <00:40:28.635>not <00:40:28.810>just <00:40:28.985>about

987
00:40:29.405 --> 00:40:31.725
<00:40:29.405>accommodating <00:40:29.638>people <00:40:29.871>that <00:40:30.105>are <00:40:30.338>using <00:40:30.571>assistive <00:40:30.805>technology.

988
00:40:31.755 --> 00:40:33.085
<00:40:31.755>It's <00:40:32.154>for <00:40:32.553>ourselves <00:40:32.952>thinking,

989
00:40:33.265 --> 00:40:34.765
<00:40:33.265>how <00:40:33.490>is <00:40:33.714>this <00:40:33.940>supposed <00:40:34.165>to <00:40:34.390>be <00:40:34.615>consumed?

990
00:40:34.835 --> 00:40:36.165
<00:40:34.835>It's <00:40:35.006>not <00:40:35.177>just <00:40:35.348>a <00:40:35.519>load <00:40:35.690>of <00:40:35.861>element <00:40:36.032>mm-hmm.

991
00:40:36.335 --> 00:40:38.485
<00:40:36.335>Grown <00:40:36.510>together <00:40:36.685>from <00:40:36.860>top <00:40:37.035>to <00:40:37.210>bottom <00:40:37.385>on <00:40:37.560>a <00:40:37.735>page.

992
00:40:38.625 --> 00:40:39.845
<00:40:38.625>We <00:40:38.844>want <00:40:39.064>people <00:40:39.283>to <00:40:39.503>consume <00:40:39.723>it.

993
00:40:39.905 --> 00:40:41.605
<00:40:39.905>So <00:40:40.185>yeah, <00:40:40.465>it's <00:40:40.745>definitely <00:40:41.025>something, <00:40:41.305>Chris,

994
00:40:41.605 --> 00:40:43.965
<00:40:41.605>after <00:40:41.721>we <00:40:41.838>saw <00:40:41.955>that <00:40:42.071>this <00:40:42.188>week, <00:40:42.305>it's <00:40:42.421>made <00:40:42.538>me <00:40:42.655>think <00:40:42.771>a <00:40:42.888>lot <00:40:43.005>about

995
00:40:45.165 --> 00:40:47.125
<00:40:45.165>actually <00:40:45.445>there's, <00:40:45.725>it's <00:40:46.005>not <00:40:46.285>just <00:40:46.565>an

996
00:40:47.125 --> 00:40:48.565
<00:40:47.125>accessible <00:40:47.310>layer <00:40:47.495>that <00:40:47.680>you <00:40:47.865>do <00:40:48.050>at <00:40:48.235>the <00:40:48.421>end.

997
00:40:48.565 --> 00:40:51.205
<00:40:48.565>It's <00:40:48.705>about <00:40:48.845>how <00:40:48.985>your, <00:40:49.125>how <00:40:49.265>your <00:40:49.405>page <00:40:49.545>is <00:40:49.685>gonna <00:40:49.825>be <00:40:49.965>consumed.

998
00:40:51.995 --> 00:40:53.165
<00:40:51.995>Yeah. <00:40:52.258>I, <00:40:52.521>I <00:40:52.784>think <00:40:53.048>that,

999
00:40:53.205 --> 00:40:55.765
<00:40:53.205>I <00:40:53.380>have <00:40:53.555>never <00:40:53.730>thought <00:40:53.904>about <00:40:54.080>tapping <00:40:54.255>index <00:40:54.430>this <00:40:54.605>way,

1000
00:40:55.905 --> 00:40:58.325
<00:40:55.905>but <00:40:56.080>I <00:40:56.255>think <00:40:56.430>that <00:40:56.605>like, <00:40:56.780>yeah, <00:40:56.955>it's <00:40:57.130>really <00:40:57.305>smart.

1001
00:40:58.325 --> 00:41:00.165
<00:40:58.325>Like <00:40:58.605>when <00:40:58.884>you <00:40:59.165>put <00:40:59.444>accessibility <00:40:59.725>first,

1002
00:41:00.475 --> 00:41:03.165
<00:41:00.475>it's <00:41:00.708>not <00:41:00.941>only <00:41:01.174>about <00:41:01.408>making <00:41:01.641>things <00:41:01.875>accessible,

1003
00:41:03.225 --> 00:41:06.605
<00:41:03.225>but <00:41:03.424>like <00:41:03.625>designing <00:41:03.825>them <00:41:04.025>in <00:41:04.225>a <00:41:04.424>specific <00:41:04.625>way

1004
00:41:06.635 --> 00:41:08.725
<00:41:06.635>that <00:41:06.868>makes <00:41:07.101>sense, <00:41:07.335>like <00:41:07.568>as <00:41:07.801>a <00:41:08.035>whole.

1005
00:41:09.035 --> 00:41:10.285
<00:41:09.035>Yeah, <00:41:09.316>I <00:41:09.597>agree <00:41:09.878>with <00:41:10.160>that.

1006
00:41:10.465 --> 00:41:12.805
<00:41:10.465>And <00:41:10.698>oftentimes <00:41:10.931>people <00:41:11.165>just <00:41:11.398>think <00:41:11.631>too <00:41:11.865>complex.

1007
00:41:12.915 --> 00:41:14.125
<00:41:12.915>They <00:41:13.187>put <00:41:13.459>like <00:41:13.731>a, <00:41:14.004>a,

1008
00:41:14.245 --> 00:41:17.405
<00:41:14.245>a <00:41:14.400>tap <00:41:14.556>index <00:41:14.711>attributes <00:41:14.867>on <00:41:15.022>their <00:41:15.178>HTML <00:41:15.333>rather <00:41:15.489>than <00:41:15.645>just

1009
00:41:17.405 --> 00:41:20.405
<00:41:17.405>keeping <00:41:17.560>the <00:41:17.716>order <00:41:17.871>in <00:41:18.027>the, <00:41:18.182>in <00:41:18.338>the <00:41:18.493>dom <00:41:18.649>str <00:41:18.805>mm-hmm.

1010
00:41:20.485 --> 00:41:23.325
<00:41:20.485>Sensible. <00:41:20.640>Like, <00:41:20.796>I <00:41:20.951>mean, <00:41:21.107>just <00:41:21.262>put <00:41:21.418>your <00:41:21.573>content <00:41:21.729>up <00:41:21.885>first

1011
00:41:23.425 --> 00:41:25.805
<00:41:23.425>and <00:41:23.625>then <00:41:23.825>use <00:41:24.025>CSS <00:41:24.225>to <00:41:24.425>shift <00:41:24.625>itself <00:41:24.825>around.

1012
00:41:25.835 --> 00:41:27.325
<00:41:25.835>Like, <00:41:26.058>it's <00:41:26.282>totally <00:41:26.505>fine <00:41:26.729>to <00:41:26.952>do <00:41:27.176>that.

1013
00:41:27.395 --> 00:41:29.245
<00:41:27.395>Like <00:41:27.745>the <00:41:28.095>first, <00:41:28.445>the <00:41:28.795>menu

1014
00:41:29.315 --> 00:41:31.445
<00:41:29.315>with <00:41:29.515>the <00:41:29.715>5,000 <00:41:29.915>things <00:41:30.115>should <00:41:30.315>not <00:41:30.515>be <00:41:30.715>the

1015
00:41:31.445 --> 00:41:32.565
<00:41:31.445>first <00:41:31.697>thing <00:41:31.949>I <00:41:32.201>tap <00:41:32.453>into.

1016
00:41:32.745 --> 00:41:34.885
<00:41:32.745>That's <00:41:32.920>where <00:41:33.095>skip <00:41:33.270>links <00:41:33.444>come <00:41:33.620>as <00:41:33.795>in <00:41:33.970>as <00:41:34.145>well,

1017
00:41:34.885 --> 00:41:37.005
<00:41:34.885>which <00:41:35.118>is <00:41:35.351>very <00:41:35.585>important <00:41:35.818>thing, <00:41:36.051>important <00:41:36.285>feature

1018
00:41:37.005 --> 00:41:38.125
<00:41:37.005>that's <00:41:37.257>very <00:41:37.509>simple <00:41:37.761>to <00:41:38.013>do.

1019
00:41:38.745 --> 00:41:40.845
<00:41:38.745>And <00:41:39.025>it's <00:41:39.305>just, <00:41:39.585>it's <00:41:39.865>just <00:41:40.145>fascinating

1020
00:41:40.845 --> 00:41:42.165
<00:41:40.845>how <00:41:41.042>many <00:41:41.241>people <00:41:41.439>don't <00:41:41.636>think <00:41:41.835>about <00:41:42.033>that.

1021
00:41:43.705 --> 00:41:46.605
<00:41:43.705>But <00:41:43.904>yeah. <00:41:44.105>What, <00:41:44.305>what, <00:41:44.505>uh, <00:41:44.705>uh, <00:41:44.904>it's <00:41:45.105>interesting

1022
00:41:46.605 --> 00:41:49.445
<00:41:46.605>that <00:41:46.780>every <00:41:46.955>time <00:41:47.130>we <00:41:47.305>use <00:41:47.480>something, <00:41:47.655>it <00:41:47.830>becomes <00:41:48.005>tricky.

1023
00:41:50.045 --> 00:41:52.805
<00:41:50.045>I <00:41:50.200>love <00:41:50.356>this <00:41:50.511>as <00:41:50.667>well. <00:41:50.822>Like <00:41:50.978>there's <00:41:51.133>a <00:41:51.289>responsive <00:41:51.445>image

1024
00:41:53.125 --> 00:41:54.725
<00:41:53.125>linter, <00:41:53.591>uh, <00:41:54.058>uh, <00:41:54.525>idea.

1025
00:41:54.875 --> 00:41:58.085
<00:41:54.875>Like <00:41:55.050>responsive <00:41:55.225>images <00:41:55.400>are <00:41:55.575>a <00:41:55.750>very, <00:41:55.925>very <00:41:56.100>important <00:41:56.275>bit.

1026
00:41:58.085 --> 00:42:00.245
<00:41:58.085>Of <00:41:58.260>course, <00:41:58.435>you <00:41:58.610>don't <00:41:58.785>wanna <00:41:58.960>load <00:41:59.135>the <00:41:59.310>large <00:41:59.485>pictures,

1027
00:42:00.245 --> 00:42:01.605
<00:42:00.245>you <00:42:00.489>wanna <00:42:00.734>load <00:42:00.979>the <00:42:01.224>simple <00:42:01.469>ones.

1028
00:42:01.605 --> 00:42:04.165
<00:42:01.605>And <00:42:01.760>this <00:42:01.916>one <00:42:02.071>is <00:42:02.227>like, <00:42:02.382>uh, <00:42:02.538>uh, <00:42:02.693>how <00:42:02.849>many <00:42:03.005>steps?

1029
00:42:04.365 --> 00:42:05.365
<00:42:04.365>I <00:42:04.665>don't <00:42:04.964>know, <00:42:05.265>lots

1030
00:42:05.365 --> 00:42:07.085
<00:42:05.365>and <00:42:05.520>lots <00:42:05.676>of <00:42:05.831>steps <00:42:05.987>that <00:42:06.142>basically <00:42:06.298>says <00:42:06.453>like, <00:42:06.609>this <00:42:06.765>is

1031
00:42:07.085 --> 00:42:11.485
<00:42:07.085>what <00:42:07.201>you <00:42:07.318>do <00:42:07.435>wrong <00:42:07.551>about <00:42:07.668>at <00:42:07.785>the, <00:42:07.901>uh, <00:42:08.018>uh, <00:42:08.135>about <00:42:08.251>a, <00:42:08.368>uh, <00:42:08.485>uh,

1032
00:42:11.605 --> 00:42:12.605
<00:42:11.605>a <00:42:12.055>responsive <00:42:12.505>image.

1033
00:42:12.865 --> 00:42:14.245
<00:42:12.865>And <00:42:13.175>I <00:42:13.486>find <00:42:13.796>that <00:42:14.107>mm-hmm.

1034
00:42:14.325 --> 00:42:16.445
<00:42:14.325>Oftentimes, <00:42:14.674>uh, <00:42:15.024>content <00:42:15.375>management <00:42:15.725>systems

1035
00:42:16.705 --> 00:42:19.805
<00:42:16.705>or, <00:42:16.904>uh, <00:42:17.105>uh, <00:42:17.305>like <00:42:17.505>image <00:42:17.705>editors, <00:42:17.904>like <00:42:18.105>image

1036
00:42:19.945 --> 00:42:23.125
<00:42:19.945>or <00:42:20.085>these <00:42:20.225>kind <00:42:20.365>of <00:42:20.505>things, <00:42:20.645>or <00:42:20.785>CloudFlare <00:42:20.925>would <00:42:21.065>generate <00:42:21.205>a <00:42:21.345>lot

1037
00:42:23.125 --> 00:42:24.125
<00:42:23.125>of <00:42:23.350>this <00:42:23.575>code <00:42:23.800>for <00:42:24.025>you

1038
00:42:24.705 --> 00:42:27.285
<00:42:24.705>and <00:42:24.880>do <00:42:25.055>make <00:42:25.230>a <00:42:25.404>lot <00:42:25.580>of <00:42:25.755>mistakes <00:42:25.930>doing <00:42:26.105>that.

1039
00:42:27.745 --> 00:42:29.485
<00:42:27.745>And, <00:42:27.978>uh, <00:42:28.211>it's, <00:42:28.444>this <00:42:28.678>is <00:42:28.911>a <00:42:29.145>very,

1040
00:42:29.485 --> 00:42:31.285
<00:42:29.485>very <00:42:29.835>detailed <00:42:30.185>article <00:42:30.535>about <00:42:30.885>this,

1041
00:42:31.305 --> 00:42:32.485
<00:42:31.305>and <00:42:31.570>I <00:42:31.836>found <00:42:32.101>that <00:42:32.367>fascinating

1042
00:42:32.485 --> 00:42:37.325
<00:42:32.485>because <00:42:32.640>I, <00:42:32.796>I <00:42:32.951>actually <00:42:33.107>hoped <00:42:33.262>that <00:42:33.418>the <00:42:33.573>libraries <00:42:33.729>would <00:42:33.885>do

1043
00:42:37.325 --> 00:42:39.365
<00:42:37.325>that <00:42:37.605>for <00:42:37.884>me, <00:42:38.165>uh, <00:42:38.444>or <00:42:38.725>WordPress

1044
00:42:39.425 --> 00:42:40.685
<00:42:39.425>or <00:42:39.614>something <00:42:39.803>would <00:42:39.992>do <00:42:40.181>it <00:42:40.370>for <00:42:40.559>me.

1045
00:42:40.905 --> 00:42:42.445
<00:42:40.905>But <00:42:41.078>they <00:42:41.251>make <00:42:41.424>a <00:42:41.598>lot <00:42:41.771>of <00:42:41.944>mistakes <00:42:42.117>in <00:42:42.291>that.

1046
00:42:44.555 --> 00:42:48.605
<00:42:44.555>Yeah, <00:42:44.694>that's <00:42:44.835>right. <00:42:44.975>The <00:42:45.115>other <00:42:45.254>day <00:42:45.395>I <00:42:45.535>was <00:42:45.674>using <00:42:45.815>Astro, <00:42:45.955>uh,

1047
00:42:48.665 --> 00:42:51.485
<00:42:48.665>for <00:42:48.840>a <00:42:49.015>personal <00:42:49.190>side <00:42:49.365>of <00:42:49.540>a, <00:42:49.715>of <00:42:49.890>an <00:42:50.065>event

1048
00:42:52.105 --> 00:42:56.605
<00:42:52.105>and <00:42:52.245>they <00:42:52.385>sort <00:42:52.525>of <00:42:52.665>like <00:42:52.805>provide <00:42:52.945>you <00:42:53.085>like <00:42:53.225>some <00:42:53.365>with <00:42:53.505>some,

1049
00:42:57.065 --> 00:43:01.565
<00:42:57.065>um, <00:42:57.265>picture <00:42:57.465>and <00:42:57.665>image, <00:42:57.865>uh, <00:42:58.065>components <00:42:58.265>that <00:42:58.465>kind

1050
00:43:01.565 --> 00:43:03.005
<00:43:01.565>of <00:43:01.824>like <00:43:02.083>do <00:43:02.342>that <00:43:02.601>for <00:43:02.861>you.

1051
00:43:03.105 --> 00:43:04.605
<00:43:03.105>And <00:43:03.330>I <00:43:03.555>was <00:43:03.780>looking <00:43:04.005>something <00:43:04.230>for <00:43:04.455>that.

1052
00:43:04.605 --> 00:43:07.805
<00:43:04.605>Like, <00:43:04.712>I <00:43:04.820>don't <00:43:04.928>want <00:43:05.035>to <00:43:05.143>put <00:43:05.251>like <00:43:05.358>a <00:43:05.466>lot <00:43:05.574>of <00:43:05.681>effort <00:43:05.789>on <00:43:05.897>doing <00:43:06.005>it,

1053
00:43:07.805 --> 00:43:09.845
<00:43:07.805>like <00:43:08.085>on <00:43:08.365>myself <00:43:08.645>step <00:43:08.924>by <00:43:09.205>step.

1054
00:43:10.505 --> 00:43:12.605
<00:43:10.505>So <00:43:10.738>I <00:43:10.971>was <00:43:11.205>like <00:43:11.438>testing <00:43:11.671>different <00:43:11.905>tools

1055
00:43:12.865 --> 00:43:15.045
<00:43:12.865>and <00:43:13.064>I <00:43:13.265>have <00:43:13.464>to <00:43:13.665>dig <00:43:13.865>deeper <00:43:14.064>on <00:43:14.265>that,

1056
00:43:15.145 --> 00:43:17.005
<00:43:15.145>but <00:43:15.425>it <00:43:15.705>was <00:43:15.985>like <00:43:16.265>pretty <00:43:16.545>nice.

1057
00:43:17.005 --> 00:43:18.405
<00:43:17.005>Like <00:43:17.257>you <00:43:17.509>can <00:43:17.761>like <00:43:18.013>change, <00:43:18.265>um,

1058
00:43:18.475 --> 00:43:20.565
<00:43:18.475>take <00:43:18.650>a <00:43:18.825>look <00:43:19.000>at <00:43:19.174>the <00:43:19.350>website <00:43:19.525>on <00:43:19.700>different <00:43:19.875>devices

1059
00:43:21.105 --> 00:43:24.645
<00:43:21.105>and <00:43:21.305>it <00:43:21.505>handled, <00:43:21.705>uh, <00:43:21.905>like <00:43:22.105>everything <00:43:22.305>pretty <00:43:22.505>nicely.

1060
00:43:24.985 --> 00:43:26.085
<00:43:24.985>So <00:43:25.975>yeah,

1061
00:43:27.005 --> 00:43:28.685
<00:43:27.005>I <00:43:27.160>think <00:43:27.316>the, <00:43:27.471>um, <00:43:27.627>the <00:43:27.782>one <00:43:27.938>I <00:43:28.093>used <00:43:28.249>with <00:43:28.405>next

1062
00:43:28.745 --> 00:43:30.645
<00:43:28.745>as <00:43:28.920>well <00:43:29.095>is <00:43:29.270>very <00:43:29.444>similar, <00:43:29.620>you <00:43:29.795>know, <00:43:29.970>next <00:43:30.145>js.

1063
00:43:30.645 --> 00:43:32.885
<00:43:30.645>Mm-hmm. <00:43:30.785>Yes. <00:43:30.925>Um, <00:43:31.065>they've <00:43:31.205>put <00:43:31.345>in <00:43:31.485>a <00:43:31.625>lot <00:43:31.765>of <00:43:31.905>things <00:43:32.045>like,

1064
00:43:32.885 --> 00:43:34.725
<00:43:32.885>you <00:43:33.118>know, <00:43:33.351>making <00:43:33.585>lazy, <00:43:33.818>loading <00:43:34.051>really <00:43:34.285>simple.

1065
00:43:34.945 --> 00:43:37.725
<00:43:34.945>Mm-hmm. <00:43:35.085>I <00:43:35.225>think <00:43:35.365>now <00:43:35.505>you <00:43:35.645>even <00:43:35.785>get <00:43:35.925>a <00:43:36.065>build <00:43:36.205>error <00:43:36.345>when

1066
00:43:37.725 --> 00:43:38.805
<00:43:37.725>you <00:43:37.919>don't <00:43:38.113>include <00:43:38.308>an <00:43:38.502>alt <00:43:38.696>tag.

1067
00:43:38.905 --> 00:43:40.485
<00:43:38.905>I'm, <00:43:39.080>that <00:43:39.255>might <00:43:39.430>be <00:43:39.605>a <00:43:39.780>warning, <00:43:39.955>I'm <00:43:40.130>not <00:43:40.305>sure,

1068
00:43:40.625 --> 00:43:41.645
<00:43:40.625>but <00:43:40.808>I've <00:43:40.992>got <00:43:41.175>a <00:43:41.359>funny <00:43:41.543>feeling.

1069
00:43:41.665 --> 00:43:42.725
<00:43:41.665>You, <00:43:42.142>um, <00:43:42.618>you,

1070
00:43:42.725 --> 00:43:44.285
<00:43:42.725>You <00:43:42.900>do <00:43:43.075>get, <00:43:43.250>I <00:43:43.424>mean, <00:43:43.600>you <00:43:43.775>can <00:43:43.950>configure <00:43:44.125>it.

1071
00:43:44.755 --> 00:43:46.125
<00:43:44.755>Yeah, <00:43:45.371>yeah, <00:43:45.988>yeah,

1072
00:43:46.125 --> 00:43:47.125
<00:43:46.125>Yeah, <00:43:46.575>yeah. <00:43:47.025>But,

1073
00:43:47.125 --> 00:43:48.605
<00:43:47.125>um, <00:43:47.315>it's <00:43:47.505>things <00:43:47.695>like <00:43:47.886>that <00:43:48.076>that <00:43:48.266>have <00:43:48.457>just,

1074
00:43:48.675 --> 00:43:50.485
<00:43:48.675>I've <00:43:48.875>definitely <00:43:49.075>noticed <00:43:49.275>an <00:43:49.475>upgrade <00:43:49.675>in <00:43:49.875>the <00:43:50.075>last,

1075
00:43:50.505 --> 00:43:52.365
<00:43:50.505>in <00:43:50.705>the <00:43:50.905>last <00:43:51.105>version <00:43:51.305>really <00:43:51.505>with <00:43:51.705>handling <00:43:51.905>that,

1076
00:43:52.365 --> 00:43:56.085
<00:43:52.365>because <00:43:52.504>I <00:43:52.645>found <00:43:52.785>in <00:43:52.924>the <00:43:53.064>past, <00:43:53.205>um, <00:43:53.345>it <00:43:53.484>was <00:43:53.625>almost <00:43:53.765>impossible

1077
00:43:56.085 --> 00:43:58.445
<00:43:56.085>to <00:43:56.225>get <00:43:56.365>it <00:43:56.505>to <00:43:56.645>actually <00:43:56.785>look <00:43:56.925>good <00:43:57.065>when <00:43:57.205>it <00:43:57.345>was <00:43:57.485>responsive

1078
00:43:58.465 --> 00:44:00.365
<00:43:58.465>and <00:43:58.745>actually <00:43:59.025>be <00:43:59.305>confident, <00:43:59.585>you <00:43:59.865>know,

1079
00:44:00.585 --> 00:44:02.205
<00:44:00.585>it <00:44:00.740>feels <00:44:00.896>like <00:44:01.051>now <00:44:01.207>you've <00:44:01.362>got <00:44:01.518>a <00:44:01.673>lot <00:44:01.829>more <00:44:01.985>control

1080
00:44:02.225 --> 00:44:04.245
<00:44:02.225>and <00:44:02.424>it's <00:44:02.625>things <00:44:02.825>like <00:44:03.025>sizes. <00:44:03.225>Yeah. <00:44:03.424>Having <00:44:03.625>that

1081
00:44:04.245 --> 00:44:05.245
<00:44:04.245>There. <00:44:05.145>Exactly.

1082
00:44:05.245 --> 00:44:06.005
Yeah.

1083
00:44:06.495 --> 00:44:08.085
<00:44:06.495>Which <00:44:06.775>brings <00:44:07.055>me <00:44:07.335>to <00:44:07.615>this <00:44:07.895>one,

1084
00:44:08.085 --> 00:44:11.565
<00:44:08.085>which <00:44:08.212>is <00:44:08.339>your <00:44:08.466>framework <00:44:08.594>is <00:44:08.721>showing, <00:44:08.848>uh, <00:44:08.975>which <00:44:09.103>is <00:44:09.230>a, <00:44:09.357>a <00:44:09.485>bit

1085
00:44:11.565 --> 00:44:15.605
<00:44:11.565>of <00:44:11.765>a <00:44:11.965>rant <00:44:12.165>about <00:44:12.365>like, <00:44:12.565>uh, <00:44:12.765>uh, <00:44:12.965>what

1086
00:44:16.135 --> 00:44:18.765
<00:44:16.135>frameworks <00:44:16.601>actually <00:44:17.068>intercept <00:44:17.535>with

1087
00:44:18.765 --> 00:44:20.365
<00:44:18.765>what <00:44:19.045>you've <00:44:19.325>doing, <00:44:19.605>what <00:44:19.884>you're <00:44:20.165>doing.

1088
00:44:20.545 --> 00:44:21.685
<00:44:20.545>And <00:44:20.887>it's <00:44:21.229>interesting <00:44:21.571>to

1089
00:44:22.755 --> 00:44:25.325
<00:44:22.755>that <00:44:22.930>grateful <00:44:23.105>degradation <00:44:23.280>seems <00:44:23.455>not <00:44:23.630>be <00:44:23.805>a <00:44:23.980>thing <00:44:24.155>anymore.

1090
00:44:25.745 --> 00:44:29.525
<00:44:25.745>And <00:44:25.884>uh, <00:44:26.025>it, <00:44:26.165>it's, <00:44:26.305>yeah, <00:44:26.444>it's <00:44:26.585>interesting <00:44:26.725>that <00:44:26.865>there's <00:44:27.005>a <00:44:27.145>lot

1091
00:44:29.525 --> 00:44:31.300
<00:44:29.525>of <00:44:29.758>old <00:44:29.991>people <00:44:30.225>ranting <00:44:30.458>about <00:44:30.691>this, <00:44:30.925>this,

1092
00:44:31.465 --> 00:44:35.685
<00:44:31.465>and <00:44:31.572>I <00:44:31.680>mean, <00:44:31.788>I <00:44:31.895>kind <00:44:32.003>of <00:44:32.111>gave <00:44:32.218>up <00:44:32.326>on <00:44:32.434>frameworks <00:44:32.541>a <00:44:32.649>long <00:44:32.757>time <00:44:32.865>ago

1093
00:44:35.685 --> 00:44:37.605
<00:44:35.685>because <00:44:35.884>I <00:44:36.085>don't <00:44:36.285>have <00:44:36.485>time <00:44:36.685>for <00:44:36.884>them <00:44:37.085>anymore.

1094
00:44:37.785 --> 00:44:39.685
<00:44:37.785>I'm <00:44:37.984>like, <00:44:38.185>every <00:44:38.384>week <00:44:38.585>there's <00:44:38.785>a <00:44:38.984>new <00:44:39.185>thing

1095
00:44:39.685 --> 00:44:41.445
<00:44:39.685>that <00:44:39.884>actually <00:44:40.085>is <00:44:40.285>the <00:44:40.485>right <00:44:40.685>thing <00:44:40.884>to <00:44:41.085>do.

1096
00:44:41.805 --> 00:44:44.165
<00:44:41.805>I <00:44:41.932>mean, <00:44:42.059>react <00:44:42.186>is <00:44:42.314>now <00:44:42.441>10 <00:44:42.568>years <00:44:42.695>old <00:44:42.823>or <00:44:42.950>something, <00:44:43.077>or <00:44:43.205>more,

1097
00:44:44.185 --> 00:44:47.125
<00:44:44.185>and <00:44:44.360>I <00:44:44.535>didn't <00:44:44.710>realize <00:44:44.884>it's <00:44:45.060>just <00:44:45.235>that <00:44:45.410>old, <00:44:45.585>so

1098
00:44:49.115 --> 00:44:50.115
Yeah.

1099
00:44:50.585 --> 00:44:52.325
<00:44:50.585>But <00:44:50.785>yeah, <00:44:50.985>it <00:44:51.185>seems <00:44:51.385>Yeah, <00:44:51.585>That's, <00:44:51.785>that's <00:44:51.985>right.

1100
00:44:53.465 --> 00:44:56.885
<00:44:53.465>We, <00:44:53.640>we <00:44:53.815>came <00:44:53.990>full <00:44:54.165>circle <00:44:54.340>from <00:44:54.515>like <00:44:54.690>developer <00:44:54.865>convenience

1101
00:44:56.945 --> 00:45:00.605
<00:44:56.945>to <00:44:57.120>developer <00:44:57.295>annoyance <00:44:57.470>about <00:44:57.645>being <00:44:57.820>reliant <00:44:57.995>on <00:44:58.170>the <00:44:58.345>framework

1102
00:45:00.745 --> 00:45:03.845
<00:45:00.745>and <00:45:01.025>frameworks <00:45:01.305>interfering <00:45:01.585>with <00:45:01.865>our <00:45:02.145>look

1103
00:45:03.845 --> 00:45:05.765
<00:45:03.845>and <00:45:03.984>feel, <00:45:04.125>as <00:45:04.265>you <00:45:04.404>said <00:45:04.544>as <00:45:04.685>well <00:45:04.825>with <00:45:04.964>the <00:45:05.105>astro <00:45:05.245>thing,

1104
00:45:05.765 --> 00:45:07.205
<00:45:05.765>because <00:45:06.413>there <00:45:07.060>opinionated,

1105
00:45:08.285 --> 00:45:10.445
<00:45:08.285>I <00:45:08.424>always <00:45:08.565>correct <00:45:08.705>me <00:45:08.845>up <00:45:08.984>when <00:45:09.125>people <00:45:09.265>say <00:45:09.404>my <00:45:09.545>framework <00:45:09.685>is

1106
00:45:10.445 --> 00:45:13.125
<00:45:10.445>opinionated, <00:45:10.725>and <00:45:11.005>you're <00:45:11.285>like, <00:45:11.565>yeah, <00:45:11.845>okay.

1107
00:45:13.785 --> 00:45:15.405
<00:45:13.785>Uh, <00:45:14.134>it's <00:45:14.484>just <00:45:14.835>your <00:45:15.185>opinion.

1108
00:45:15.505 --> 00:45:17.885
<00:45:15.505>That's <00:45:15.785>like, <00:45:16.065>that <00:45:16.345>shows, <00:45:16.625>I <00:45:16.905>guess.

1109
00:45:18.945 --> 00:45:21.325
<00:45:18.945>But <00:45:19.120>I, <00:45:19.295>and, <00:45:19.470>and <00:45:19.645>they <00:45:19.820>get <00:45:19.995>the <00:45:20.170>better <00:45:20.345>adoption.

1110
00:45:21.395 --> 00:45:24.965
<00:45:21.395>Like <00:45:21.511>you <00:45:21.628>have <00:45:21.745>to <00:45:21.861>be <00:45:21.978>like <00:45:22.095>this <00:45:22.211>like <00:45:22.328>pushy <00:45:22.445>person <00:45:22.561>to <00:45:22.678>say <00:45:22.795>like,

1111
00:45:25.115 --> 00:45:28.245
<00:45:25.115>this <00:45:25.254>framework <00:45:25.395>does <00:45:25.535>it <00:45:25.674>the <00:45:25.814>way <00:45:25.955>it <00:45:26.095>does <00:45:26.234>because <00:45:26.375>it's <00:45:26.515>better.

1112
00:45:28.785 --> 00:45:30.285
<00:45:28.785>And <00:45:29.009>then <00:45:29.234>two <00:45:29.460>weeks, <00:45:29.685>two <00:45:29.910>months <00:45:30.134>later,

1113
00:45:30.385 --> 00:45:32.365
<00:45:30.385>or <00:45:30.585>actually <00:45:30.785>I <00:45:30.985>was <00:45:31.185>wrong, <00:45:31.385>but <00:45:31.585>now <00:45:31.785>it's,

1114
00:45:32.365 --> 00:45:34.165
<00:45:32.365>now <00:45:32.598>it's <00:45:32.831>actually <00:45:33.064>everywhere <00:45:33.298>on <00:45:33.531>the <00:45:33.765>webinar

1115
00:45:34.165 --> 00:45:35.205
<00:45:34.165>and <00:45:34.352>I <00:45:34.539>can't <00:45:34.726>remove <00:45:34.913>it <00:45:35.101>anymore.

1116
00:45:36.235 --> 00:45:39.525
<00:45:36.235>Yeah, <00:45:36.435>that's <00:45:36.635>right. <00:45:36.835>Actually <00:45:37.035>for <00:45:37.235>my <00:45:37.435>personal <00:45:37.635>blog,

1117
00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:40.565
<00:45:39.525>which <00:45:39.759>has <00:45:39.993>like <00:45:40.227>one <00:45:40.461>article.

1118
00:45:40.625 --> 00:45:43.165
<00:45:40.625>So, <00:45:40.800>I <00:45:40.975>mean, <00:45:41.150>it's <00:45:41.325>not <00:45:41.500>like <00:45:41.675>something, <00:45:41.850>uh, <00:45:42.025>important,

1119
00:45:43.265 --> 00:45:46.365
<00:45:43.265>but <00:45:43.392>I, <00:45:43.519>I <00:45:43.646>choose <00:45:43.774>like <00:45:43.901>not <00:45:44.028>to <00:45:44.155>use <00:45:44.283>any <00:45:44.410>kind <00:45:44.537>of <00:45:44.665>framework.

1120
00:45:46.755 --> 00:45:48.285
<00:45:46.755>Like <00:45:47.099>I <00:45:47.443>use <00:45:47.787>11 <00:45:48.132>ti

1121
00:45:48.345 --> 00:45:50.405
<00:45:48.345>for <00:45:48.544>like <00:45:48.745>the <00:45:48.944>blogging <00:45:49.145>system, <00:45:49.345>but <00:45:49.544>that's <00:45:49.745>all.

1122
00:45:50.675 --> 00:45:55.245
<00:45:50.675>Then <00:45:50.791>I <00:45:50.908>use <00:45:51.025>just <00:45:51.141>a <00:45:51.258>CSS <00:45:51.375>file <00:45:51.491>and, <00:45:51.608>and <00:45:51.725>not <00:45:51.841>so, <00:45:51.958>uh, <00:45:52.075>yeah.

1123
00:45:55.645 --> 00:45:59.165
<00:45:55.645>Anything <00:45:55.800>else <00:45:55.956>because <00:45:56.111>like <00:45:56.267>of <00:45:56.422>that, <00:45:56.578>um, <00:45:56.733>I <00:45:56.889>know <00:45:57.045>feeling

1124
00:45:59.265 --> 00:46:03.685
<00:45:59.265>of <00:45:59.404>having <00:45:59.545>to <00:45:59.685>choose, <00:45:59.825>uh, <00:45:59.964>among <00:46:00.105>many <00:46:00.245>things <00:46:00.384>all <00:46:00.525>the <00:46:00.665>time

1125
00:46:04.385 --> 00:46:06.205
<00:46:04.385>and <00:46:04.585>yeah, <00:46:04.785>so <00:46:04.985>I <00:46:05.185>thing <00:46:05.385>I <00:46:05.585>told <00:46:05.785>you

1126
00:46:06.205 --> 00:46:08.445
<00:46:06.205>before <00:46:06.360>that <00:46:06.516>I <00:46:06.671>was <00:46:06.827>like <00:46:06.982>working <00:46:07.138>like <00:46:07.293>almost <00:46:07.449>five <00:46:07.605>years

1127
00:46:08.465 --> 00:46:10.605
<00:46:08.465>as <00:46:08.745>a <00:46:09.025>backend <00:46:09.305>development, <00:46:09.585>uh, <00:46:09.865>developer.

1128
00:46:10.605 --> 00:46:13.685
<00:46:10.605>And <00:46:10.721>it <00:46:10.838>was <00:46:10.955>like, <00:46:11.071>what's <00:46:11.188>gonna <00:46:11.305>happen <00:46:11.421>when <00:46:11.538>I, <00:46:11.655>uh, <00:46:11.771>I <00:46:11.888>know <00:46:12.005>want

1129
00:46:13.685 --> 00:46:16.405
<00:46:13.685>to <00:46:13.860>jump <00:46:14.035>again <00:46:14.210>into <00:46:14.384>frontend <00:46:14.560>stuff <00:46:14.735>and <00:46:14.910>so <00:46:15.085>on.

1130
00:46:16.665 --> 00:46:19.085
<00:46:16.665>And <00:46:16.898>it's <00:46:17.131>like, <00:46:17.365>like <00:46:17.598>there's <00:46:17.831>something <00:46:18.065>new.

1131
00:46:19.345 --> 00:46:23.365
<00:46:19.345>So, <00:46:19.461>uh, <00:46:19.578>I <00:46:19.694>mean <00:46:19.811>the, <00:46:19.928>a <00:46:20.044>lot <00:46:20.161>of <00:46:20.278>things <00:46:20.395>during <00:46:20.511>those <00:46:20.628>five <00:46:20.745>years

1132
00:46:23.515 --> 00:46:26.285
<00:46:23.515>that <00:46:23.795>are <00:46:24.075>not <00:46:24.355>that <00:46:24.634>important <00:46:24.915>anymore,

1133
00:46:26.385 --> 00:46:29.405
<00:46:26.385>so <00:46:26.525>you <00:46:26.665>can <00:46:26.805>just <00:46:26.945>like <00:46:27.085>catch <00:46:27.225>up <00:46:27.365>and <00:46:27.505>it's <00:46:27.645>totally <00:46:27.785>fine.

1134
00:46:29.405 --> 00:46:30.685
<00:46:29.405>You're <00:46:29.789>not <00:46:30.173>missing <00:46:30.557>anything.

1135
00:46:31.435 --> 00:46:32.445
<00:46:31.435>More <00:46:31.616>people <00:46:31.798>need <00:46:31.980>to <00:46:32.162>hear <00:46:32.344>that.

1136
00:46:33.685 --> 00:46:36.325
<00:46:33.685>Yeah. <00:46:33.860>I <00:46:34.035>love <00:46:34.210>the <00:46:34.384>addendum <00:46:34.560>that <00:46:34.735>he <00:46:34.910>has <00:46:35.085>there,

1137
00:46:36.325 --> 00:46:38.565
<00:46:36.325>like <00:46:36.605>this <00:46:36.884>post <00:46:37.165>criticizes <00:46:37.444>reactant <00:46:37.725>next

1138
00:46:38.565 --> 00:46:39.925
<00:46:38.565>Chance <00:46:39.177>frameworks <00:46:39.789>culture.

1139
00:46:40.225 --> 00:46:43.325
<00:46:40.225>So <00:46:40.400>the <00:46:40.575>weak <00:46:40.750>position <00:46:40.924>may <00:46:41.100>struggle <00:46:41.275>to <00:46:41.450>disassociate <00:46:41.625>themselves

1140
00:46:43.345 --> 00:46:44.685
<00:46:43.345>and <00:46:43.747>feel <00:46:44.149>personally <00:46:44.551>attacked.

1141
00:46:45.035 --> 00:46:47.245
<00:46:45.035>Take <00:46:45.190>a <00:46:45.346>deep <00:46:45.501>breath, <00:46:45.657>remember <00:46:45.812>that <00:46:45.968>React <00:46:46.123>is <00:46:46.279>a <00:46:46.435>tool,

1142
00:46:47.305 --> 00:46:49.005
<00:46:47.305>not <00:46:47.538>a <00:46:47.771>lifestyle <00:46:48.004>choice. <00:46:48.238>You'll <00:46:48.471>be <00:46:48.705>okay.

1143
00:46:49.785 --> 00:46:51.125
<00:46:49.785>Oh, <00:46:50.086>I <00:46:50.388>feel <00:46:50.689>personally <00:46:50.991>attacked.

1144
00:46:52.965 --> 00:46:53.885
<00:46:52.965>I <00:46:53.083>like <00:46:53.201>the <00:46:53.319>bit <00:46:53.438>at <00:46:53.556>the <00:46:53.674>end <00:46:53.793>though.

1145
00:46:53.885 --> 00:46:54.965
<00:46:53.885>He <00:46:54.023>is, <00:46:54.162>uh, <00:46:54.301>he <00:46:54.440>definitely <00:46:54.579>doesn't <00:46:54.718>hold <00:46:54.857>back.

1146
00:46:54.965 --> 00:46:57.525
<00:46:54.965>He <00:46:55.140>says <00:46:55.315>next <00:46:55.490>year <00:46:55.665>is <00:46:55.840>a <00:46:56.015>rotten, <00:46:56.190>incompetent <00:46:56.365>framework

1147
00:46:57.525 --> 00:46:59.045
<00:46:57.525>with <00:46:57.867>no <00:46:58.209>signs <00:46:58.551>of <00:46:58.893>improvement.

1148
00:46:59.525 --> 00:47:01.845
<00:46:59.525>I <00:46:59.680>was <00:46:59.836>like, <00:46:59.991>wow. <00:47:00.147>He <00:47:00.302>is <00:47:00.458>not <00:47:00.613>holding <00:47:00.769>back. <00:47:00.925>Yeah.

1149
00:47:02.145 --> 00:47:03.605
<00:47:02.145>Um, <00:47:02.332>safe <00:47:02.520>to <00:47:02.708>say <00:47:02.895>he <00:47:03.083>doesn't <00:47:03.271>like <00:47:03.459>it,

1150
00:47:03.665 --> 00:47:06.645
<00:47:03.665>but, <00:47:03.772>um, <00:47:03.880>you <00:47:03.988>know, <00:47:04.095>I <00:47:04.203>think <00:47:04.311>I, <00:47:04.418>I, <00:47:04.526>I'm <00:47:04.634>a, <00:47:04.741>I'm <00:47:04.849>a <00:47:04.957>next <00:47:05.065>fanboy,

1151
00:47:06.705 --> 00:47:09.485
<00:47:06.705>uh, <00:47:06.812>less <00:47:06.920>so <00:47:07.028>nowadays, <00:47:07.135>but <00:47:07.243>yeah, <00:47:07.351>I <00:47:07.458>am <00:47:07.566>a <00:47:07.674>bit <00:47:07.781>of <00:47:07.889>a <00:47:07.997>next <00:47:08.105>fanboy.

1152
00:47:09.485 --> 00:47:11.285
<00:47:09.485>Um, <00:47:09.660>but <00:47:09.835>at <00:47:10.010>the <00:47:10.185>same <00:47:10.360>time, <00:47:10.535>he's <00:47:10.710>not <00:47:10.885>wrong.

1153
00:47:11.955 --> 00:47:13.365
<00:47:11.955>He's <00:47:12.113>not <00:47:12.272>wrong <00:47:12.430>with <00:47:12.589>anything <00:47:12.748>he's <00:47:12.906>saying, <00:47:13.065>you <00:47:13.223>know,

1154
00:47:13.365 --> 00:47:15.605
<00:47:13.365>he <00:47:13.520>makes <00:47:13.676>good <00:47:13.831>arguments <00:47:13.987>and <00:47:14.142>there's <00:47:14.298>definitely <00:47:14.453>a <00:47:14.609>long <00:47:14.765>way

1155
00:47:15.605 --> 00:47:17.765
<00:47:15.605>for <00:47:15.745>them <00:47:15.885>to <00:47:16.025>go <00:47:16.165>yet <00:47:16.305>to <00:47:16.445>actually <00:47:16.585>kind <00:47:16.725>of <00:47:16.865>settle <00:47:17.005>down.

1156
00:47:17.905 --> 00:47:19.365
<00:47:17.905>It <00:47:18.092>feels <00:47:18.280>like <00:47:18.468>we're <00:47:18.655>at <00:47:18.843>still <00:47:19.031>a <00:47:19.219>point

1157
00:47:19.365 --> 00:47:21.285
<00:47:19.365>where <00:47:19.540>frameworks <00:47:19.714>are <00:47:19.890>throwing <00:47:20.064>everything <00:47:20.240>up <00:47:20.415>in <00:47:20.589>the <00:47:20.765>air

1158
00:47:21.285 --> 00:47:22.685
<00:47:21.285>and <00:47:21.495>throwing <00:47:21.705>stuff <00:47:21.915>at <00:47:22.125>us <00:47:22.335>as <00:47:22.545>users.

1159
00:47:23.105 --> 00:47:25.605
<00:47:23.105>And <00:47:23.260>maybe <00:47:23.416>five <00:47:23.571>years <00:47:23.727>time <00:47:23.882>we'll <00:47:24.038>know <00:47:24.193>what's <00:47:24.349>actually <00:47:24.505>stuck

1160
00:47:25.605 --> 00:47:28.165
<00:47:25.605>around <00:47:25.745>and <00:47:25.885>hopefully <00:47:26.025>it'll <00:47:26.165>be, <00:47:26.305>um, <00:47:26.445>a <00:47:26.585>little <00:47:26.725>bit <00:47:26.865>easier <00:47:27.005>to,

1161
00:47:28.185 --> 00:47:29.405
<00:47:28.185>to <00:47:28.404>work <00:47:28.624>with <00:47:28.843>on, <00:47:29.063>on <00:47:29.283>all

1162
00:47:29.405 --> 00:47:30.925
<00:47:29.405>fronts. <00:47:29.633>'cause <00:47:29.861>things <00:47:30.089>are <00:47:30.317>still <00:47:30.545>quite <00:47:30.773>messy.

1163
00:47:31.675 --> 00:47:33.245
<00:47:31.675>Well, <00:47:31.908>there <00:47:32.141>is <00:47:32.375>the <00:47:32.608>tricky <00:47:32.841>bit <00:47:33.075>though.

1164
00:47:33.325 --> 00:47:35.525
<00:47:33.325>I <00:47:33.480>mean, <00:47:33.636>I <00:47:33.791>talked <00:47:33.947>to <00:47:34.102>a <00:47:34.258>few <00:47:34.413>people <00:47:34.569>about <00:47:34.725>this

1165
00:47:35.545 --> 00:47:39.765
<00:47:35.545>and <00:47:35.661>they <00:47:35.778>said <00:47:35.895>like, <00:47:36.011>we <00:47:36.128>don't <00:47:36.245>want <00:47:36.361>to <00:47:36.478>use <00:47:36.595>framework <00:47:36.711>X, <00:47:36.828>Y, <00:47:36.945>Z,

1166
00:47:39.825 --> 00:47:42.725
<00:47:39.825>but <00:47:39.964>we <00:47:40.105>have <00:47:40.245>to <00:47:40.384>because <00:47:40.524>we <00:47:40.665>can't <00:47:40.805>hire <00:47:40.944>an, <00:47:41.085>any <00:47:41.225>developers

1167
00:47:42.725 --> 00:47:43.885
<00:47:42.725>that <00:47:42.933>don't <00:47:43.142>know, <00:47:43.351>don't <00:47:43.560>use <00:47:43.769>it.

1168
00:47:44.275 --> 00:47:46.485
<00:47:44.275>Like <00:47:44.475>when <00:47:44.675>people <00:47:44.875>come <00:47:45.075>out <00:47:45.275>of <00:47:45.475>a <00:47:45.675>bootcamp

1169
00:47:46.625 --> 00:47:48.645
<00:47:46.625>or <00:47:46.858>they <00:47:47.091>basically <00:47:47.325>come <00:47:47.558>out <00:47:47.791>of <00:47:48.025>somewhere

1170
00:47:48.665 --> 00:47:51.885
<00:47:48.665>to <00:47:48.865>basically <00:47:49.065>jumpstart <00:47:49.265>being <00:47:49.465>a <00:47:49.665>developer, <00:47:49.865>they <00:47:50.065>start

1171
00:47:51.885 --> 00:47:53.725
<00:47:51.885>with <00:47:52.085>React <00:47:52.285>Native <00:47:52.485>and <00:47:52.685>they <00:47:52.885>start <00:47:53.085>with <00:47:53.285>React.

1172
00:47:53.785 --> 00:47:55.725
<00:47:53.785>And <00:47:54.134>basically <00:47:54.484>to <00:47:54.835>hire <00:47:55.185>engineers

1173
00:47:55.725 --> 00:47:57.005
<00:47:55.725>that <00:47:56.013>actually <00:47:56.301>know <00:47:56.589>the <00:47:56.877>basics

1174
00:47:57.345 --> 00:47:59.925
<00:47:57.345>and <00:47:57.500>know <00:47:57.656>how <00:47:57.811>to <00:47:57.967>actually <00:47:58.122>build <00:47:58.278>things <00:47:58.433>from <00:47:58.589>scratch <00:47:58.745>is

1175
00:47:59.925 --> 00:48:00.925
<00:47:59.925>getting <00:48:00.225>harder <00:48:00.525>and <00:48:00.825>harder.

1176
00:48:01.705 --> 00:48:04.565
<00:48:01.705>And, <00:48:01.860>uh, <00:48:02.016>it <00:48:02.171>feels <00:48:02.327>weird <00:48:02.482>that <00:48:02.638>we're <00:48:02.793>actually <00:48:02.949>becoming, <00:48:03.105>uh,

1177
00:48:05.005 --> 00:48:07.365
<00:48:05.005>dependent <00:48:05.160>on <00:48:05.316>the <00:48:05.471>thing <00:48:05.627>that <00:48:05.782>we <00:48:05.938>don't <00:48:06.093>want <00:48:06.249>to <00:48:06.405>support.

1178
00:48:07.435 --> 00:48:08.685
<00:48:07.435>Even <00:48:07.660>when <00:48:07.884>it <00:48:08.110>comes <00:48:08.335>to <00:48:08.560>hiring,

1179
00:48:09.625 --> 00:48:12.845
<00:48:09.625>It <00:48:09.780>happens <00:48:09.936>the <00:48:10.091>same <00:48:10.247>like, <00:48:10.402>um, <00:48:10.558>from <00:48:10.713>the <00:48:10.869>other <00:48:11.025>side.

1180
00:48:12.875 --> 00:48:16.765
<00:48:12.875>Like <00:48:13.002>there <00:48:13.129>are <00:48:13.256>a <00:48:13.384>lot <00:48:13.511>of <00:48:13.638>companies <00:48:13.765>that <00:48:13.893>are <00:48:14.020>focused <00:48:14.147>on, <00:48:14.275>um,

1181
00:48:17.305 --> 00:48:21.125
<00:48:17.305>hiring <00:48:17.480>people <00:48:17.654>that <00:48:17.830>knows <00:48:18.004>a <00:48:18.180>lot <00:48:18.355>about <00:48:18.529>asserting <00:48:18.705>framework

1182
00:48:21.185 --> 00:48:23.965
<00:48:21.185>for <00:48:21.340>any <00:48:21.496>reason, <00:48:21.651>and <00:48:21.807>both <00:48:21.962>in <00:48:22.118>the <00:48:22.273>front <00:48:22.429>end <00:48:22.585>side,

1183
00:48:24.065 --> 00:48:28.365
<00:48:24.065>but <00:48:24.192>also <00:48:24.319>in <00:48:24.446>the <00:48:24.574>backend <00:48:24.701>side, <00:48:24.828>like <00:48:24.955>knowing <00:48:25.083>a <00:48:25.210>lot <00:48:25.337>about, <00:48:25.465>uh,

1184
00:48:28.805 --> 00:48:31.485
<00:48:28.805>a <00:48:29.004>specific <00:48:29.205>technology, <00:48:29.404>like <00:48:29.605>let's <00:48:29.805>say <00:48:30.004>no <00:48:30.205>yeah.

1185
00:48:31.725 --> 00:48:34.325
<00:48:31.725>S <00:48:31.924>versus <00:48:32.125>any <00:48:32.325>kind <00:48:32.525>of <00:48:32.725>Python, <00:48:32.924>uh, <00:48:33.125>thingy.

1186
00:48:34.345 --> 00:48:37.885
<00:48:34.345>So <00:48:34.484>yeah, <00:48:34.625>I, <00:48:34.765>I <00:48:34.904>think <00:48:35.044>the <00:48:35.185>problem <00:48:35.325>is <00:48:35.464>on <00:48:35.605>both <00:48:35.745>sides.

1187
00:48:37.985 --> 00:48:40.925
<00:48:37.985>So <00:48:38.140>especially <00:48:38.296>people <00:48:38.451>like, <00:48:38.607>uh, <00:48:38.762>new <00:48:38.918>to <00:48:39.073>the <00:48:39.229>industries, <00:48:39.385>like,

1188
00:48:40.955 --> 00:48:45.365
<00:48:40.955>okay, <00:48:41.082>I <00:48:41.209>know <00:48:41.336>maybe <00:48:41.464>that <00:48:41.591>I <00:48:41.718>am, <00:48:41.845>I <00:48:41.973>don't <00:48:42.100>need <00:48:42.227>to, <00:48:42.355>uh,

1189
00:48:45.425 --> 00:48:48.165
<00:48:45.425>or <00:48:45.565>that <00:48:45.705>I <00:48:45.845>don't <00:48:45.985>have <00:48:46.125>to <00:48:46.265>get <00:48:46.405>stuck <00:48:46.545>at <00:48:46.685>one <00:48:46.825>framework.

1190
00:48:48.285 --> 00:48:49.965
<00:48:48.285>I <00:48:48.518>have <00:48:48.751>to <00:48:48.984>get <00:48:49.218>the <00:48:49.451>general <00:48:49.685>knowledge.

1191
00:48:49.965 --> 00:48:52.845
<00:48:49.965>But <00:48:50.092>at <00:48:50.219>the <00:48:50.346>same <00:48:50.474>time <00:48:50.601>is <00:48:50.728>I <00:48:50.855>know <00:48:50.983>that <00:48:51.110>some <00:48:51.237>companies <00:48:51.365>want

1192
00:48:52.845 --> 00:48:55.685
<00:48:52.845>to <00:48:53.020>hire <00:48:53.194>just <00:48:53.370>like <00:48:53.544>very, <00:48:53.720>a <00:48:53.895>very <00:48:54.069>specific <00:48:54.245>profile.

1193
00:48:55.865 --> 00:48:57.365
<00:48:55.865>So <00:48:56.089>yeah, <00:48:56.314>it's <00:48:56.540>like <00:48:56.765>hard <00:48:56.990>to <00:48:57.214>measure

1194
00:48:57.465 --> 00:48:58.645
<00:48:57.465>for <00:48:57.730>newcomers, <00:48:57.996>I <00:48:58.261>would <00:48:58.527>say.

1195
00:48:59.065 --> 00:49:01.165
<00:48:59.065>And <00:48:59.205>also <00:48:59.345>if <00:48:59.485>you <00:48:59.625>look <00:48:59.765>at <00:48:59.905>the <00:49:00.045>salaries, <00:49:00.185>when <00:49:00.325>you <00:49:00.465>look

1196
00:49:01.185 --> 00:49:03.365
<00:49:01.185>for <00:49:01.418>like <00:49:01.651>a <00:49:01.884>React <00:49:02.118>native <00:49:02.351>developer <00:49:02.585>compared

1197
00:49:03.365 --> 00:49:04.485
<00:49:03.365>to <00:49:03.701>a <00:49:04.037>frontend <00:49:04.373>developer,

1198
00:49:04.485 --> 00:49:07.005
<00:49:04.485>react <00:49:04.718>native <00:49:04.951>developers <00:49:05.185>probably <00:49:05.418>get <00:49:05.651>higher <00:49:05.885>salaries

1199
00:49:07.005 --> 00:49:09.605
<00:49:07.005>because <00:49:07.180>a <00:49:07.355>lot <00:49:07.530>of <00:49:07.705>American <00:49:07.880>companies <00:49:08.055>are <00:49:08.230>actually <00:49:08.405>listing

1200
00:49:09.675 --> 00:49:10.965
<00:49:09.675>them <00:49:10.062>as <00:49:10.449>a <00:49:10.836>necessity.

1201
00:49:11.185 --> 00:49:13.525
<00:49:11.185>Mm-hmm. <00:49:11.325>If <00:49:11.465>you <00:49:11.605>get <00:49:11.745>that <00:49:11.884>money <00:49:12.025>later <00:49:12.165>on <00:49:12.305>is <00:49:12.445>another <00:49:12.585>question.

1202
00:49:13.665 --> 00:49:16.165
<00:49:13.665>But <00:49:13.840>like, <00:49:14.015>it's <00:49:14.190>uh, <00:49:14.365>uh, <00:49:14.540>it's <00:49:14.715>an <00:49:14.890>interesting <00:49:15.065>concept

1203
00:49:16.305 --> 00:49:17.805
<00:49:16.305>to <00:49:16.575>think <00:49:16.845>about <00:49:17.115>in <00:49:17.384>this <00:49:17.654>case.

1204
00:49:18.465 --> 00:49:20.845
<00:49:18.465>Um, <00:49:18.665>we <00:49:18.865>talked <00:49:19.065>about <00:49:19.265>that <00:49:19.465>earlier <00:49:19.665>a <00:49:19.865>bit.

1205
00:49:20.845 --> 00:49:22.845
<00:49:20.845>Like <00:49:20.984>when <00:49:21.125>we <00:49:21.265>had <00:49:21.404>this, <00:49:21.544>we <00:49:21.685>just <00:49:21.825>had <00:49:21.964>this <00:49:22.105>AI <00:49:22.245>access

1206
00:49:22.865 --> 00:49:24.085
<00:49:22.865>and <00:49:23.413>accessibility <00:49:23.963>day

1207
00:49:24.225 --> 00:49:27.085
<00:49:24.225>and, <00:49:24.352>uh, <00:49:24.479>one <00:49:24.606>of <00:49:24.734>the <00:49:24.861>big, <00:49:24.988>the <00:49:25.115>biggest <00:49:25.243>things <00:49:25.370>that <00:49:25.497>I <00:49:25.625>learned

1208
00:49:27.785 --> 00:49:31.085
<00:49:27.785>is <00:49:27.940>that <00:49:28.096>the <00:49:28.251>Ray <00:49:28.407>Band <00:49:28.562>glasses <00:49:28.718>that, <00:49:28.873>uh, <00:49:29.029>you <00:49:29.185>know,

1209
00:49:31.085 --> 00:49:32.725
<00:49:31.085>the <00:49:31.318>smart <00:49:31.551>glasses <00:49:31.785>that <00:49:32.018>you <00:49:32.251>can <00:49:32.485>have

1210
00:49:32.745 --> 00:49:35.485
<00:49:32.745>for <00:49:32.900>your <00:49:33.056>mobile <00:49:33.211>phone <00:49:33.367>is <00:49:33.522>not <00:49:33.678>only <00:49:33.833>for <00:49:33.989>horrible <00:49:34.145>people,

1211
00:49:35.625 --> 00:49:36.965
<00:49:35.625>but <00:49:35.866>also <00:49:36.107>a <00:49:36.348>lot <00:49:36.589>of <00:49:36.831>people

1212
00:49:36.965 --> 00:49:39.325
<00:49:36.965>with <00:49:37.245>vision <00:49:37.525>impairment <00:49:37.805>are <00:49:38.085>using <00:49:38.365>them.

1213
00:49:39.755 --> 00:49:42.525
<00:49:39.755>Like <00:49:39.910>there <00:49:40.066>were <00:49:40.221>two <00:49:40.377>speakers <00:49:40.532>that <00:49:40.688>basically <00:49:40.843>were, <00:49:40.999>uh, <00:49:41.155>uh,

1214
00:49:42.755 --> 00:49:44.885
<00:49:42.755>were <00:49:43.105>impaired <00:49:43.455>and <00:49:43.805>couldn't <00:49:44.155>see,

1215
00:49:44.905 --> 00:49:46.645
<00:49:44.905>and <00:49:45.105>they <00:49:45.305>both <00:49:45.505>were <00:49:45.705>using <00:49:45.905>Ray <00:49:46.105>Bang <00:49:46.305>glasses

1216
00:49:46.645 --> 00:49:48.165
<00:49:46.645>because <00:49:46.918>it <00:49:47.192>means <00:49:47.465>they <00:49:47.739>don't <00:49:48.013>have

1217
00:49:48.165 --> 00:49:49.525
<00:49:48.165>to <00:49:48.339>take <00:49:48.514>their <00:49:48.689>phone <00:49:48.864>out <00:49:49.039>of <00:49:49.214>their <00:49:49.389>pocket.

1218
00:49:50.285 --> 00:49:51.285
<00:49:50.285>I <00:49:50.509>did <00:49:50.734>not <00:49:50.960>know <00:49:51.185>that.

1219
00:49:51.345 --> 00:49:54.995
<00:49:51.345>It <00:49:51.484>was <00:49:51.625>completely <00:49:51.765>shocking <00:49:51.904>me <00:49:52.044>to <00:49:52.185>see <00:49:52.325>that <00:49:52.464>it's <00:49:52.605>a <00:49:52.745>very,

1220
00:49:54.995 --> 00:49:57.835
<00:49:54.995>very <00:49:55.170>cool <00:49:55.345>thing <00:49:55.520>that, <00:49:55.694>uh, <00:49:55.870>that <00:49:56.045>it <00:49:56.220>enables <00:49:56.395>people

1221
00:49:58.185 --> 00:49:59.555
<00:49:58.185>with <00:49:58.596>a <00:49:59.007>disability <00:49:59.417>Yeah.

1222
00:49:59.815 --> 00:50:00.995
<00:49:59.815>To <00:50:00.080>just <00:50:00.346>see <00:50:00.611>the <00:50:00.877>world

1223
00:50:01.055 --> 00:50:02.875
<00:50:01.055>and <00:50:01.230>not <00:50:01.404>like, <00:50:01.580>be <00:50:01.754>like <00:50:01.930>a <00:50:02.105>person <00:50:02.279>that <00:50:02.455>has

1224
00:50:02.875 --> 00:50:05.155
<00:50:02.875>to <00:50:03.050>hold <00:50:03.225>up <00:50:03.400>their <00:50:03.575>phone <00:50:03.750>to <00:50:03.925>scan <00:50:04.100>a <00:50:04.275>menu

1225
00:50:05.335 --> 00:50:06.795
<00:50:05.335>to <00:50:05.554>read <00:50:05.773>it <00:50:05.992>or <00:50:06.211>something <00:50:06.430>like <00:50:06.649>that.

1226
00:50:06.935 --> 00:50:09.555
<00:50:06.935>And <00:50:07.075>the <00:50:07.215>Ray <00:50:07.355>Band <00:50:07.495>glasses <00:50:07.634>can <00:50:07.775>actually <00:50:07.915>do <00:50:08.055>that <00:50:08.195>for <00:50:08.335>you.

1227
00:50:09.895 --> 00:50:13.315
<00:50:09.895>And <00:50:10.050>this <00:50:10.206>is <00:50:10.361>basically, <00:50:10.517>uh, <00:50:10.672>Leoni <00:50:10.828>Watson <00:50:10.983>here <00:50:11.139>explaining, <00:50:11.295>uh,

1228
00:50:13.335 --> 00:50:15.995
<00:50:13.335>how <00:50:13.535>she's <00:50:13.735>using <00:50:13.935>it <00:50:14.135>as <00:50:14.335>a <00:50:14.535>non-sighted <00:50:14.735>person

1229
00:50:16.655 --> 00:50:19.875
<00:50:16.655>and <00:50:16.782>what, <00:50:16.909>what <00:50:17.036>apps <00:50:17.164>she <00:50:17.291>connects <00:50:17.418>with <00:50:17.545>it, <00:50:17.673>and <00:50:17.800>all <00:50:17.927>the <00:50:18.055>bits

1230
00:50:19.875 --> 00:50:21.235
<00:50:19.875>and <00:50:20.049>bobs <00:50:20.224>and <00:50:20.399>what <00:50:20.574>she's <00:50:20.749>using <00:50:20.924>it <00:50:21.099>for.

1231
00:50:21.295 --> 00:50:24.475
<00:50:21.295>And <00:50:21.450>it's <00:50:21.606>really, <00:50:21.761>really <00:50:21.917>beautiful <00:50:22.072>that <00:50:22.228>this <00:50:22.383>is <00:50:22.539>a <00:50:22.695>thing

1232
00:50:24.475 --> 00:50:27.445
<00:50:24.475>because <00:50:24.674>I <00:50:24.875>mean, <00:50:25.075>I, <00:50:25.275>I <00:50:25.475>couldn't <00:50:25.674>be <00:50:25.875>bothered

1233
00:50:27.515 --> 00:50:29.085
<00:50:27.515>with <00:50:27.795>smart <00:50:28.075>glasses <00:50:28.355>to <00:50:28.634>a <00:50:28.915>degree.

1234
00:50:29.165 --> 00:50:31.525
<00:50:29.165>I <00:50:29.365>find <00:50:29.565>them <00:50:29.765>weird, <00:50:29.965>but, <00:50:30.165>um <00:50:30.365>mm-hmm. <00:50:30.565>Yeah.

1235
00:50:31.635 --> 00:50:33.605
<00:50:31.635>This <00:50:31.835>case, <00:50:32.035>it <00:50:32.235>really <00:50:32.435>makes <00:50:32.635>sense <00:50:32.835>that <00:50:33.035>somebody

1236
00:50:33.605 --> 00:50:36.805
<00:50:33.605>with <00:50:33.805>a <00:50:34.005>disability <00:50:34.205>can <00:50:34.405>use <00:50:34.605>coolest, <00:50:34.805>newest <00:50:35.005>technology

1237
00:50:37.345 --> 00:50:39.325
<00:50:37.345>and, <00:50:37.625>uh, <00:50:37.904>it <00:50:38.185>it <00:50:38.464>empowers <00:50:38.745>them.

1238
00:50:40.195 --> 00:50:43.045
<00:50:40.195>Yeah. <00:50:40.475>Uh, <00:50:40.755>not <00:50:41.035>related <00:50:41.315>to, <00:50:41.595>um,

1239
00:50:43.835 --> 00:50:45.565
<00:50:43.835>like <00:50:44.185>images <00:50:44.535>and <00:50:44.885>so <00:50:45.235>on.

1240
00:50:45.625 --> 00:50:48.325
<00:50:45.625>But, <00:50:45.825>uh, <00:50:46.025>my <00:50:46.225>brother, <00:50:46.425>he <00:50:46.625>has <00:50:46.825>Down <00:50:47.025>syndrome

1241
00:50:48.665 --> 00:50:52.765
<00:50:48.665>and <00:50:48.792>for <00:50:48.919>example, <00:50:49.046>he's <00:50:49.174>using <00:50:49.301>a <00:50:49.428>lot <00:50:49.555>of <00:50:49.683>AA <00:50:49.810>stuff <00:50:49.937>recently <00:50:50.065>as,

1242
00:50:52.825 --> 00:50:55.805
<00:50:52.825>as <00:50:53.000>a <00:50:53.174>user, <00:50:53.350>and <00:50:53.524>I <00:50:53.700>observe <00:50:53.875>him <00:50:54.049>a <00:50:54.225>lot.

1243
00:50:56.265 --> 00:50:59.805
<00:50:56.265>Um, <00:50:56.404>because <00:50:56.545>for <00:50:56.685>instance, <00:50:56.825>for <00:50:56.964>him <00:50:57.105>it's <00:50:57.245>been <00:50:57.384>always <00:50:57.525>so <00:50:57.665>hard

1244
00:50:59.945 --> 00:51:02.005
<00:50:59.945>to <00:51:00.295>interact <00:51:00.645>with <00:51:00.995>voice <00:51:01.345>control

1245
00:51:02.155 --> 00:51:05.645
<00:51:02.155>because <00:51:02.310>like <00:51:02.466>his <00:51:02.621>speech <00:51:02.777>has <00:51:02.932>like <00:51:03.088>a <00:51:03.243>lot <00:51:03.399>of <00:51:03.555>errors.

1246
00:51:05.665 --> 00:51:07.605
<00:51:05.665>He <00:51:05.898>has <00:51:06.131>like <00:51:06.365>his <00:51:06.598>own <00:51:06.831>language <00:51:07.065>somehow,

1247
00:51:08.225 --> 00:51:10.365
<00:51:08.225>but <00:51:08.505>on <00:51:08.785>the <00:51:09.065>other <00:51:09.345>side, <00:51:09.625>well,

1248
00:51:10.515 --> 00:51:12.085
<00:51:10.515>he's <00:51:10.748>really <00:51:10.981>good <00:51:11.214>at <00:51:11.448>video <00:51:11.681>games, <00:51:11.915>like

1249
00:51:12.085 --> 00:51:13.405
<00:51:12.085>with <00:51:12.283>the <00:51:12.481>We <00:51:12.679>Console <00:51:12.877>by <00:51:13.075>the <00:51:13.273>way.

1250
00:51:13.505 --> 00:51:16.925
<00:51:13.505>So <00:51:13.660>the, <00:51:13.816>in, <00:51:13.971>in <00:51:14.127>terms <00:51:14.282>of <00:51:14.438>accessibility, <00:51:14.593>the, <00:51:14.749>it's <00:51:14.905>so,

1251
00:51:17.065 --> 00:51:18.445
<00:51:17.065>so <00:51:17.375>good, <00:51:17.686>especially <00:51:17.996>with <00:51:18.307>tennis.

1252
00:51:18.475 --> 00:51:21.645
<00:51:18.475>Like, <00:51:18.708>I <00:51:18.941>mean, <00:51:19.174>anyone <00:51:19.408>can <00:51:19.641>win <00:51:19.875>him,

1253
00:51:22.425 --> 00:51:25.205
<00:51:22.425>but, <00:51:22.775>um, <00:51:23.125>for, <00:51:23.475>um, <00:51:23.825>text

1254
00:51:25.305 --> 00:51:28.325
<00:51:25.305>and <00:51:25.504>chat <00:51:25.705>application, <00:51:25.904>it's <00:51:26.105>been <00:51:26.305>like <00:51:26.504>really <00:51:26.705>helpful.

1255
00:51:28.325 --> 00:51:32.445
<00:51:28.325>Helpful <00:51:28.480>because <00:51:28.636>even <00:51:28.791>he <00:51:28.947>has <00:51:29.102>like <00:51:29.258>some, <00:51:29.413>um, <00:51:29.569>grammar <00:51:29.725>mistakes.

1256
00:51:33.265 --> 00:51:37.005
<00:51:33.265>Um, <00:51:33.404>it's <00:51:33.545>allowing <00:51:33.685>him <00:51:33.825>to <00:51:33.964>like <00:51:34.105>to <00:51:34.245>interact <00:51:34.384>with <00:51:34.525>a <00:51:34.665>lot

1257
00:51:37.005 --> 00:51:40.045
<00:51:37.005>of <00:51:37.145>stuff <00:51:37.285>like <00:51:37.425>websites <00:51:37.565>and <00:51:37.705>so <00:51:37.845>on, <00:51:37.985>uh, <00:51:38.125>that <00:51:38.265>he <00:51:38.405>couldn't

1258
00:51:40.045 --> 00:51:42.045
<00:51:40.045>before <00:51:40.511>and, <00:51:40.978>and <00:51:41.445>yeah.

1259
00:51:42.225 --> 00:51:44.605
<00:51:42.225>And <00:51:42.380>he's <00:51:42.536>kind <00:51:42.691>of <00:51:42.847>learning <00:51:43.002>how <00:51:43.158>to <00:51:43.313>write <00:51:43.469>other <00:51:43.625>things.

1260
00:51:44.745 --> 00:51:47.845
<00:51:44.745>So <00:51:44.920>yeah. <00:51:45.095>It's <00:51:45.270>like, <00:51:45.444>I <00:51:45.620>know <00:51:45.795>it's <00:51:45.970>not <00:51:46.145>necessary,

1261
00:51:47.875 --> 00:51:50.005
<00:51:47.875>like <00:51:48.108>this <00:51:48.341>kind <00:51:48.575>of <00:51:48.808>tools <00:51:49.041>for <00:51:49.275>everybody,

1262
00:51:50.425 --> 00:51:53.165
<00:51:50.425>but <00:51:50.552>I <00:51:50.679>was <00:51:50.806>like <00:51:50.934>so <00:51:51.061>surprised <00:51:51.188>how <00:51:51.315>he's <00:51:51.443>using <00:51:51.570>it <00:51:51.697>a <00:51:51.825>lot.

1263
00:51:53.225 --> 00:51:56.445
<00:51:53.225>And <00:51:53.365>I <00:51:53.505>haven't <00:51:53.645>like, <00:51:53.785>installed <00:51:53.924>anything <00:51:54.065>on <00:51:54.205>his <00:51:54.345>phone <00:51:54.485>at <00:51:54.625>all.

1264
00:51:56.445 --> 00:51:58.605
<00:51:56.445>Like <00:51:56.645>he's <00:51:56.845>doing <00:51:57.045>it <00:51:57.245>by <00:51:57.445>himself. <00:51:57.645>So <00:51:57.845>Yeah.

1265
00:51:58.705 --> 00:52:01.005
<00:51:58.705>It <00:51:58.938>also <00:51:59.171>was <00:51:59.404>kind <00:51:59.638>of <00:51:59.871>surprising. <00:52:00.105>Yeah.

1266
00:52:01.475 --> 00:52:04.285
<00:52:01.475>Cool. <00:52:01.650>Yeah, <00:52:01.825>we <00:52:02.000>was <00:52:02.174>a <00:52:02.350>great <00:52:02.525>thing <00:52:02.700>back <00:52:02.875>then.

1267
00:52:04.405 --> 00:52:06.245
<00:52:04.405>I <00:52:04.580>mean, <00:52:04.755>my <00:52:04.930>parents <00:52:05.105>would <00:52:05.280>never <00:52:05.455>touch <00:52:05.630>a <00:52:05.805>computer.

1268
00:52:06.275 --> 00:52:08.005
<00:52:06.275>They <00:52:06.555>would <00:52:06.835>scratch <00:52:07.115>the <00:52:07.395>credit <00:52:07.675>cards

1269
00:52:08.005 --> 00:52:10.365
<00:52:08.005>because <00:52:08.238>they <00:52:08.471>don't <00:52:08.705>trust <00:52:08.938>computers <00:52:09.171>and <00:52:09.405>mm-hmm.

1270
00:52:10.385 --> 00:52:12.525
<00:52:10.385>For <00:52:10.501>the, <00:52:10.618>we <00:52:10.735>for <00:52:10.851>the <00:52:10.968>first <00:52:11.085>time, <00:52:11.201>like, <00:52:11.318>how <00:52:11.435>do <00:52:11.551>I <00:52:11.668>play <00:52:11.785>tennis?

1271
00:52:12.545 --> 00:52:14.085
<00:52:12.545>And <00:52:12.683>I'm <00:52:12.822>like, <00:52:12.960>well, <00:52:13.099>you <00:52:13.238>move <00:52:13.376>it <00:52:13.515>like <00:52:13.653>a <00:52:13.792>tennis <00:52:13.931>rack.

1272
00:52:14.545 --> 00:52:16.165
<00:52:14.545>And <00:52:14.825>then <00:52:15.105>like, <00:52:15.385>oh, <00:52:15.665>okay, <00:52:15.945>cool.

1273
00:52:16.345 --> 00:52:19.005
<00:52:16.345>So <00:52:16.500>then <00:52:16.656>they <00:52:16.811>actually <00:52:16.967>started <00:52:17.122>playing <00:52:17.278>with <00:52:17.433>that, <00:52:17.589>a <00:52:17.745>lot

1274
00:52:19.005 --> 00:52:22.005
<00:52:19.005>of <00:52:19.145>like <00:52:19.285>homes <00:52:19.425>for <00:52:19.565>the <00:52:19.705>elderly, <00:52:19.845>uh, <00:52:19.985>bought <00:52:20.125>Wes <00:52:20.265>back <00:52:20.405>then,

1275
00:52:22.265 --> 00:52:23.885
<00:52:22.265>so <00:52:22.440>at <00:52:22.615>least <00:52:22.790>people <00:52:22.964>have <00:52:23.140>a <00:52:23.315>bit <00:52:23.490>of <00:52:23.665>movement.

1276
00:52:24.425 --> 00:52:26.085
<00:52:24.425>And <00:52:24.600>when <00:52:24.775>you, <00:52:24.950>when <00:52:25.125>you <00:52:25.300>were <00:52:25.475>a <00:52:25.650>proper <00:52:25.825>geek

1277
00:52:26.085 --> 00:52:27.805
<00:52:26.085>and <00:52:26.260>you <00:52:26.435>realized <00:52:26.610>you <00:52:26.785>can <00:52:26.960>do <00:52:27.135>the <00:52:27.310>whole <00:52:27.485>movement

1278
00:52:27.805 --> 00:52:29.765
<00:52:27.805>or <00:52:27.960>you <00:52:28.116>can <00:52:28.271>just <00:52:28.427>move <00:52:28.582>it <00:52:28.738>really <00:52:28.893>fast <00:52:29.049>really <00:52:29.205>quickly.

1279
00:52:29.995 --> 00:52:33.885
<00:52:29.995>Yeah. <00:52:30.228>Like <00:52:30.461>That <00:52:30.694>was <00:52:30.928>the <00:52:31.161>other <00:52:31.395>bit

1280
00:52:33.885 --> 00:52:35.125
<00:52:33.885>that <00:52:34.164>was <00:52:34.443>interesting <00:52:34.722>about <00:52:35.001>it.

1281
00:52:35.365 --> 00:52:37.925
<00:52:35.365>I <00:52:35.520>mean, <00:52:35.676>I <00:52:35.831>haven't <00:52:35.987>looked <00:52:36.142>at <00:52:36.298>the <00:52:36.453>new <00:52:36.609>We <00:52:36.765>thing

1282
00:52:37.925 --> 00:52:40.245
<00:52:37.925>that <00:52:38.065>just <00:52:38.205>came <00:52:38.345>out, <00:52:38.485>like <00:52:38.625>it <00:52:38.765>was <00:52:38.905>sold <00:52:39.045>up <00:52:39.185>in <00:52:39.325>like

1283
00:52:40.245 --> 00:52:41.565
<00:52:40.245>seconds <00:52:40.641>and, <00:52:41.037>uh <00:52:41.433>mm-hmm.

1284
00:52:41.645 --> 00:52:44.965
<00:52:41.645>The <00:52:41.820>switch, <00:52:41.995>I, <00:52:42.170>I <00:52:42.345>found <00:52:42.520>it <00:52:42.695>interesting, <00:52:42.870>uh, <00:52:43.045>thing,

1285
00:52:44.965 --> 00:52:46.925
<00:52:44.965>but <00:52:45.198>that <00:52:45.431>was <00:52:45.665>really <00:52:45.898>groundbreaking <00:52:46.131>back <00:52:46.365>then.

1286
00:52:47.145 --> 00:52:48.645
<00:52:47.145>And <00:52:47.482>I <00:52:47.820>remember <00:52:48.157>when <00:52:48.495>mm-hmm.

1287
00:52:48.645 --> 00:52:51.205
<00:52:48.645>The <00:52:48.800>PlayStation <00:52:48.956>also <00:52:49.111>had <00:52:49.267>a <00:52:49.422>thing <00:52:49.578>that <00:52:49.733>looked <00:52:49.889>like <00:52:50.045>acept

1288
00:52:51.795 --> 00:52:53.365
<00:52:51.795>that <00:52:52.075>didn't <00:52:52.355>do <00:52:52.635>the <00:52:52.915>same <00:52:53.195>thing,

1289
00:52:53.505 --> 00:52:55.405
<00:52:53.505>but <00:52:53.705>it <00:52:53.905>was, <00:52:54.105>it's <00:52:54.305>really <00:52:54.505>cool <00:52:54.705>that <00:52:54.905>you,

1290
00:52:55.435 --> 00:52:56.685
<00:52:55.435>that <00:52:55.716>you <00:52:55.997>give <00:52:56.278>something <00:52:56.560>bigger

1291
00:52:56.745 --> 00:52:58.125
<00:52:56.745>and <00:52:57.055>then <00:52:57.366>computers <00:52:57.676>become <00:52:57.987>more

1292
00:52:58.125 --> 00:52:59.605
<00:52:58.125>accessible <00:52:58.391>to <00:52:58.657>people <00:52:58.924>because <00:52:59.190>of <00:52:59.457>that.

1293
00:53:00.405 --> 00:53:03.005
<00:53:00.405>I <00:53:00.560>found <00:53:00.716>this <00:53:00.871>really <00:53:01.027>bizarre <00:53:01.182>as <00:53:01.338>well, <00:53:01.493>that <00:53:01.649>Google, <00:53:01.805>ooh,

1294
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<00:53:03.985>can <00:53:04.125>actually, <00:53:04.265>oops, <00:53:04.405>can <00:53:04.545>uh, <00:53:04.685>uh, <00:53:04.825>generate <00:53:04.965>a <00:53:05.105>fake <00:53:05.245>AI <00:53:05.385>podcast

1295
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<00:53:09.145>of <00:53:09.462>your <00:53:09.781>search <00:53:10.099>results.

1296
00:53:10.945 --> 00:53:14.635
<00:53:10.945>And <00:53:11.085>I'm <00:53:11.225>like, <00:53:11.365>okay, <00:53:11.505>we <00:53:11.645>know <00:53:11.785>the <00:53:11.925>technology <00:53:12.065>behind <00:53:12.205>it <00:53:12.345>is

1297
00:53:14.635 --> 00:53:16.355
<00:53:14.635>that <00:53:14.868>notebook, <00:53:15.101>LLM <00:53:15.335>thing <00:53:15.568>that <00:53:15.801>they're <00:53:16.035>using.

1298
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<00:53:16.355>That's <00:53:16.555>fine. <00:53:16.755>It's <00:53:16.955>great <00:53:17.155>that <00:53:17.355>they <00:53:17.555>have <00:53:17.755>it,

1299
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<00:53:18.255>but <00:53:18.535>why <00:53:18.815>would <00:53:19.095>I <00:53:19.375>want <00:53:19.655>that?

1300
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<00:53:21.215>Is <00:53:21.561>it <00:53:21.908>an <00:53:22.254>accessibility <00:53:22.601>thing

1301
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<00:53:22.775>or <00:53:22.902>is <00:53:23.029>it <00:53:23.156>just <00:53:23.284>like <00:53:23.411>showing <00:53:23.538>off <00:53:23.665>that <00:53:23.793>we <00:53:23.920>can, <00:53:24.047>I <00:53:24.175>mean,

1302
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<00:53:26.485>a <00:53:26.640>search <00:53:26.796>result <00:53:26.951>to <00:53:27.107>me <00:53:27.262>is <00:53:27.418>like, <00:53:27.573>it's <00:53:27.729>bad <00:53:27.885>enough

1303
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<00:53:28.685>that <00:53:28.860>I <00:53:29.035>just <00:53:29.210>get <00:53:29.384>the <00:53:29.560>ai, <00:53:29.735>uh, <00:53:29.910>summary <00:53:30.085>now,

1304
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<00:53:30.945>but <00:53:31.085>why <00:53:31.225>would <00:53:31.365>I <00:53:31.505>want <00:53:31.645>to <00:53:31.785>listen <00:53:31.925>to <00:53:32.065>a <00:53:32.205>search <00:53:32.345>result

1305
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<00:53:33.205>after <00:53:33.438>I <00:53:33.671>put <00:53:33.904>it <00:53:34.138>in <00:53:34.371>there <00:53:34.605>post

1306
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<00:53:35.385>unless <00:53:35.735>I'm <00:53:36.085>on <00:53:36.435>the <00:53:36.785>train

1307
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<00:53:37.045>with <00:53:37.245>my <00:53:37.445>headphones <00:53:37.645>in <00:53:37.845>or <00:53:38.045>something <00:53:38.245>like <00:53:38.445>that.

1308
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<00:53:39.145>But <00:53:39.345>then <00:53:39.545>I <00:53:39.745>would <00:53:39.945>want <00:53:40.145>to <00:53:40.345>do <00:53:40.545>something

1309
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<00:53:40.845>with <00:53:41.160>a <00:53:41.475>search <00:53:41.790>result <00:53:42.105>normally

1310
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<00:53:42.305>and <00:53:42.538>not <00:53:42.771>just <00:53:43.004>get <00:53:43.238>the <00:53:43.471>information. <00:53:43.705>Right.

1311
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<00:53:44.605>I <00:53:44.785>don't <00:53:44.965>know, <00:53:45.145>I <00:53:45.325>think <00:53:45.505>because,

1312
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<00:53:45.985>and <00:53:46.160>I <00:53:46.335>actually <00:53:46.510>like <00:53:46.685>people <00:53:46.860>that <00:53:47.035>are <00:53:47.210>not <00:53:47.385>used

1313
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<00:53:48.525>to <00:53:48.867>like <00:53:49.209>skin <00:53:49.551>screen <00:53:49.893>readers

1314
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<00:53:50.045>and <00:53:50.278>so <00:53:50.511>on, <00:53:50.745>like, <00:53:50.978>I <00:53:51.211>mean, <00:53:51.445>uh,

1315
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<00:53:52.225>the <00:53:52.400>audio <00:53:52.575>is <00:53:52.750>slower <00:53:52.924>than <00:53:53.100>uh, <00:53:53.275>what <00:53:53.450>you <00:53:53.625>read.

1316
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<00:53:56.025>So <00:53:56.200>I <00:53:56.375>don't <00:53:56.550>know <00:53:56.725>why <00:53:56.900>I <00:53:57.075>would <00:53:57.250>do <00:53:57.425>that.

1317
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<00:53:58.155>It's <00:53:58.391>like, <00:53:58.627>because <00:53:58.863>you <00:53:59.100>want

1318
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<00:53:59.205>to <00:53:59.404>do <00:53:59.605>something <00:53:59.805>else <00:54:00.005>at <00:54:00.205>the <00:54:00.404>same <00:54:00.605>time

1319
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<00:54:01.875>that <00:54:02.155>you're <00:54:02.435>listening <00:54:02.715>to <00:54:02.995>the <00:54:03.275>answer.

1320
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<00:54:04.045>I <00:54:04.220>mean, <00:54:04.395>if <00:54:04.570>it's <00:54:04.745>something <00:54:04.920>that <00:54:05.095>is <00:54:05.270>longer, <00:54:05.445>like,

1321
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<00:54:06.525>I <00:54:06.680>don't <00:54:06.836>know, <00:54:06.991>a <00:54:07.147>Wikipedia <00:54:07.302>page <00:54:07.458>or <00:54:07.613>something <00:54:07.769>like <00:54:07.925>that

1322
00:54:08.525 --> 00:54:10.525
<00:54:08.525>and <00:54:08.700>you <00:54:08.875>want <00:54:09.050>to <00:54:09.225>listen <00:54:09.400>in, <00:54:09.575>in <00:54:09.750>the <00:54:09.925>background

1323
00:54:10.545 --> 00:54:13.965
<00:54:10.545>or <00:54:10.661>a, <00:54:10.778>like <00:54:10.895>a <00:54:11.011>summary <00:54:11.128>of <00:54:11.245>a <00:54:11.361>topic, <00:54:11.478>which <00:54:11.595>is <00:54:11.711>a <00:54:11.828>bit <00:54:11.945>longer,

1324
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<00:54:14.335>maybe <00:54:14.462>I <00:54:14.589>can <00:54:14.716>understand <00:54:14.844>it, <00:54:14.971>but <00:54:15.098>it's <00:54:15.225>like <00:54:15.353>for <00:54:15.480>a <00:54:15.607>very <00:54:15.735>short

1325
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<00:54:17.425>and <00:54:17.600>a <00:54:17.775>specific <00:54:17.950>answer, <00:54:18.125>I <00:54:18.300>don't <00:54:18.475>really <00:54:18.650>get <00:54:18.825>it.

1326
00:54:20.725 --> 00:54:23.485
<00:54:20.725>But <00:54:20.880>I <00:54:21.036>don't <00:54:21.191>know, <00:54:21.347>maybe <00:54:21.502>for <00:54:21.658>someone <00:54:21.813>it's <00:54:21.969>useful. <00:54:22.125>Mm-hmm.

1327
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<00:54:23.985>It <00:54:24.125>does <00:54:24.265>feel <00:54:24.405>a <00:54:24.545>bit <00:54:24.685>like <00:54:24.825>though <00:54:24.965>the, <00:54:25.105>um, <00:54:25.245>you <00:54:25.385>know,

1328
00:54:25.685 --> 00:54:28.165
<00:54:25.685>the <00:54:25.812>AI <00:54:25.939>summaries, <00:54:26.066>like <00:54:26.194>they <00:54:26.321>were <00:54:26.448>sort <00:54:26.575>of <00:54:26.703>pushed <00:54:26.830>on <00:54:26.957>us <00:54:27.085>all.

1329
00:54:28.225 --> 00:54:30.685
<00:54:28.225>And <00:54:28.365>I <00:54:28.505>mean, <00:54:28.645>I, <00:54:28.785>I <00:54:28.924>did <00:54:29.065>one, <00:54:29.205>I <00:54:29.345>did <00:54:29.485>one <00:54:29.625>yesterday.

1330
00:54:30.685 --> 00:54:32.765
<00:54:30.685>Oh <00:54:30.825>no, <00:54:30.965>it's <00:54:31.105>actually <00:54:31.245>an <00:54:31.384>AI <00:54:31.525>summary <00:54:31.665>that <00:54:31.805>was <00:54:31.945>in <00:54:32.085>a,

1331
00:54:32.825 --> 00:54:34.125
<00:54:32.825>uh, <00:54:33.117>in <00:54:33.410>a <00:54:33.702>Gmail <00:54:33.995>thread.

1332
00:54:34.145 --> 00:54:35.165
<00:54:34.145>And <00:54:34.298>I <00:54:34.451>thought, <00:54:34.604>oh, <00:54:34.757>that's <00:54:34.910>pretty <00:54:35.063>good.

1333
00:54:35.265 --> 00:54:37.125
<00:54:35.265>And <00:54:35.440>then <00:54:35.615>I <00:54:35.790>noticed <00:54:35.964>it's <00:54:36.140>only <00:54:36.315>three <00:54:36.490>bullet <00:54:36.665>points.

1334
00:54:37.275 --> 00:54:38.285
<00:54:37.275>It's <00:54:37.502>quite <00:54:37.729>a <00:54:37.956>long <00:54:38.183>thread.

1335
00:54:38.465 --> 00:54:41.045
<00:54:38.465>And <00:54:38.620>I <00:54:38.776>noticed <00:54:38.931>the <00:54:39.087>last <00:54:39.242>bullet <00:54:39.398>point <00:54:39.553>was <00:54:39.709>the <00:54:39.865>exact

1336
00:54:41.285 --> 00:54:42.405
<00:54:41.285>opposite <00:54:41.486>of <00:54:41.688>what <00:54:41.889>had <00:54:42.091>actually <00:54:42.293>happened.

1337
00:54:42.805 --> 00:54:44.645
<00:54:42.805>Somebody <00:54:42.944>saying <00:54:43.085>like, <00:54:43.225>you <00:54:43.365>know, <00:54:43.504>can <00:54:43.645>you <00:54:43.785>send <00:54:43.924>me <00:54:44.065>this <00:54:44.205>file?

1338
00:54:44.665 --> 00:54:45.685
<00:54:44.665>And <00:54:44.848>in <00:54:45.032>the <00:54:45.215>summary <00:54:45.399>it's <00:54:45.583>like,

1339
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<00:54:45.685>they <00:54:45.865>have <00:54:46.045>already <00:54:46.225>sent <00:54:46.404>the <00:54:46.585>file.

1340
00:54:46.745 --> 00:54:48.125
<00:54:46.745>And <00:54:46.922>I <00:54:47.099>was <00:54:47.277>like, <00:54:47.454>they, <00:54:47.632>they, <00:54:47.809>they <00:54:47.987>haven't.

1341
00:54:48.385 --> 00:54:51.645
<00:54:48.385>Um, <00:54:48.501>so <00:54:48.618>I <00:54:48.735>think <00:54:48.851>for <00:54:48.968>me <00:54:49.085>it's <00:54:49.201>like, <00:54:49.318>it's, <00:54:49.435>it's, <00:54:49.551>it's <00:54:49.668>a <00:54:49.785>bit

1342
00:54:51.645 --> 00:54:53.405
<00:54:51.645>of <00:54:51.820>a, <00:54:51.995>um, <00:54:52.170>I <00:54:52.345>dunno, <00:54:52.520>it's <00:54:52.695>pushed <00:54:52.870>on <00:54:53.045>us

1343
00:54:53.405 --> 00:54:55.525
<00:54:53.405>and <00:54:53.638>it's <00:54:53.871>not <00:54:54.105>actually <00:54:54.338>a <00:54:54.571>great <00:54:54.805>example

1344
00:54:55.705 --> 00:54:56.845
<00:54:55.705>of <00:54:55.910>what <00:54:56.115>they <00:54:56.320>can <00:54:56.525>do <00:54:56.731>really.

1345
00:54:57.085 --> 00:54:58.845
<00:54:57.085>'cause <00:54:57.225>it's <00:54:57.365>like, <00:54:57.505>well, <00:54:57.645>you <00:54:57.785>can <00:54:57.925>make <00:54:58.065>a <00:54:58.205>lot <00:54:58.345>of <00:54:58.485>mistakes.

1346
00:54:59.025 --> 00:55:02.245
<00:54:59.025>Um, <00:54:59.165>I'm <00:54:59.305>hoping <00:54:59.445>this <00:54:59.585>is <00:54:59.725>just <00:54:59.865>a, <00:55:00.005>an <00:55:00.145>an <00:55:00.285>accessibility <00:55:00.425>feature

1347
00:55:02.245 --> 00:55:05.245
<00:55:02.245>that's <00:55:02.400>like <00:55:02.556>useful <00:55:02.711>for <00:55:02.867>a, <00:55:03.022>a <00:55:03.178>small <00:55:03.333>number <00:55:03.489>of, <00:55:03.645>uh,

1348
00:55:05.485 --> 00:55:06.525
<00:55:05.485>features <00:55:05.719>'cause <00:55:05.953>of, <00:55:06.187>of <00:55:06.421>users.

1349
00:55:06.525 --> 00:55:08.885
<00:55:06.525>Mm-hmm. <00:55:06.758>Because <00:55:06.991>it's <00:55:07.225>not, <00:55:07.458>uh, <00:55:07.691>you <00:55:07.925>have

1350
00:55:08.885 --> 00:55:11.485
<00:55:08.885>to <00:55:09.012>manually <00:55:09.139>enable <00:55:09.266>it, <00:55:09.394>so <00:55:09.521>it's <00:55:09.648>not <00:55:09.775>gonna <00:55:09.903>be <00:55:10.030>pushed <00:55:10.157>on <00:55:10.285>on

1351
00:55:11.485 --> 00:55:12.485
<00:55:11.485>every <00:55:11.710>user, <00:55:11.935>which <00:55:12.160>is <00:55:12.385>good.

1352
00:55:12.945 --> 00:55:15.565
<00:55:12.945>Um, <00:55:13.145>but <00:55:13.345>it, <00:55:13.545>yeah, <00:55:13.745>like, <00:55:13.945>like <00:55:14.145>you <00:55:14.345>said,

1353
00:55:15.565 --> 00:55:16.685
<00:55:15.565>that <00:55:15.766>was <00:55:15.968>my <00:55:16.169>first <00:55:16.371>thought, <00:55:16.573>Elena,

1354
00:55:16.765 --> 00:55:18.485
<00:55:16.765>I <00:55:16.904>could <00:55:17.045>just <00:55:17.185>read <00:55:17.325>it <00:55:17.464>and <00:55:17.605>it <00:55:17.745>would <00:55:17.884>be <00:55:18.025>much <00:55:18.165>quicker.

1355
00:55:19.065 --> 00:55:20.685
<00:55:19.065>So <00:55:19.265>if <00:55:19.465>you, <00:55:19.665>if <00:55:19.865>you're <00:55:20.065>not <00:55:20.265>able <00:55:20.465>to

1356
00:55:20.705 --> 00:55:21.845
<00:55:20.705>to <00:55:20.875>read <00:55:21.047>it <00:55:21.218>in <00:55:21.388>the <00:55:21.560>normal <00:55:21.731>way,

1357
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<00:55:21.845>then <00:55:22.019>this <00:55:22.192>could <00:55:22.366>be <00:55:22.541>a <00:55:22.715>good <00:55:22.889>feature.

1358
00:55:23.065 --> 00:55:25.405
<00:55:23.065>But <00:55:23.192>I <00:55:23.319>don't <00:55:23.446>see <00:55:23.574>how <00:55:23.701>it <00:55:23.828>is <00:55:23.955>for <00:55:24.083>anyone <00:55:24.210>else. <00:55:24.337>You <00:55:24.465>know,

1359
00:55:26.385 --> 00:55:28.315
<00:55:26.385>It's <00:55:26.618>interesting <00:55:26.851>how <00:55:27.085>it's <00:55:27.318>inverse, <00:55:27.551>isn't <00:55:27.785>it?

1360
00:55:28.395 --> 00:55:31.315
<00:55:28.395>I <00:55:28.535>saw <00:55:28.675>another <00:55:28.815>tool <00:55:28.955>yesterday <00:55:29.095>that <00:55:29.235>allows <00:55:29.375>you <00:55:29.515>to, <00:55:29.655>uh, <00:55:29.795>to,

1361
00:55:31.375 --> 00:55:34.595
<00:55:31.375>to <00:55:31.515>dictate, <00:55:31.655>and <00:55:31.795>it <00:55:31.935>also, <00:55:32.075>it, <00:55:32.215>it, <00:55:32.355>it, <00:55:32.495>it <00:55:32.635>runs <00:55:32.775>it

1362
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<00:55:34.595>through <00:55:34.875>an <00:55:35.154>LLM <00:55:35.435>while <00:55:35.714>you <00:55:35.995>dictate,

1363
00:55:36.235 --> 00:55:37.675
<00:55:36.235>and <00:55:36.494>actually <00:55:36.753>when <00:55:37.012>you <00:55:37.271>say <00:55:37.531>erman,

1364
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<00:55:37.835>erman <00:55:38.068>doesn't <00:55:38.301>actually <00:55:38.535>show <00:55:38.768>these <00:55:39.001>things <00:55:39.235>immediately.

1365
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<00:55:40.135>And <00:55:40.489>it <00:55:40.843>basically <00:55:41.197>boasted

1366
00:55:41.315 --> 00:55:42.955
<00:55:41.315>that <00:55:41.515>you <00:55:41.715>can <00:55:41.915>actually <00:55:42.115>be <00:55:42.315>like <00:55:42.515>10 <00:55:42.715>times

1367
00:55:42.975 --> 00:55:45.115
<00:55:42.975>faster <00:55:43.441>speaking <00:55:43.908>than <00:55:44.375>writing.

1368
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<00:55:45.805>Which, <00:55:46.038>uh, <00:55:46.271>I <00:55:46.504>guess <00:55:46.738>if <00:55:46.971>it's <00:55:47.205>handwriting,

1369
00:55:47.995 --> 00:55:51.155
<00:55:47.995>definitely <00:55:48.275>if <00:55:48.555>it's <00:55:48.835>keyboard <00:55:49.115>also, <00:55:49.395>uh,

1370
00:55:51.335 --> 00:55:53.275
<00:55:51.335>but, <00:55:51.801>uh, <00:55:52.268>listening <00:55:52.735>seems

1371
00:55:53.275 --> 00:55:55.315
<00:55:53.275>to <00:55:53.508>be <00:55:53.741>much <00:55:53.975>slower <00:55:54.208>than <00:55:54.441>actually <00:55:54.675>reading,

1372
00:55:55.585 --> 00:55:58.515
<00:55:55.585>because <00:55:55.740>with <00:55:55.896>reading <00:55:56.051>you <00:55:56.207>can <00:55:56.362>skim <00:55:56.518>with <00:55:56.673>listening, <00:55:56.829>you <00:55:56.985>can't

1373
00:55:58.515 --> 00:56:00.435
<00:55:58.515>because <00:55:58.690>you, <00:55:58.865>you <00:55:59.040>either <00:55:59.214>have <00:55:59.390>to <00:55:59.565>speed <00:55:59.740>it <00:55:59.915>up

1374
00:56:00.775 --> 00:56:03.595
<00:56:00.775>or <00:56:00.975>you, <00:56:01.175>you <00:56:01.375>can't <00:56:01.575>just <00:56:01.775>skip <00:56:01.975>bits <00:56:02.175>basically

1375
00:56:03.595 --> 00:56:05.235
<00:56:03.595>because <00:56:03.828>you <00:56:04.061>don't <00:56:04.294>know <00:56:04.528>what's <00:56:04.761>coming <00:56:04.995>next

1376
00:56:05.235 --> 00:56:06.315
<00:56:05.235>because <00:56:05.721>it's <00:56:06.207>synchronous.

1377
00:56:07.135 --> 00:56:09.875
<00:56:07.135>Uh, <00:56:07.290>so <00:56:07.446>it, <00:56:07.601>it's <00:56:07.757>interesting <00:56:07.912>that <00:56:08.068>there's <00:56:08.223>this <00:56:08.379>inverse, <00:56:08.535>uh,

1378
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<00:56:09.895>uh, <00:56:10.070>logic <00:56:10.245>of <00:56:10.420>like <00:56:10.595>being <00:56:10.770>faster <00:56:10.945>speaking <00:56:11.120>than <00:56:11.295>reading,

1379
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<00:56:13.215>but <00:56:13.415>being <00:56:13.615>slower <00:56:13.815>hearing <00:56:14.015>than, <00:56:14.215>uh, <00:56:14.415>uh, <00:56:14.615>than

1380
00:56:16.705 --> 00:56:17.955
<00:56:16.705>yeah, <00:56:17.267>reading. <00:56:17.830>Reading.

1381
00:56:18.225 --> 00:56:20.035
<00:56:18.225>Yeah, <00:56:18.575>that's <00:56:18.924>right. <00:56:19.275>Now <00:56:19.625>we,

1382
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<00:56:20.055>we <00:56:20.230>can <00:56:20.404>get <00:56:20.580>started <00:56:20.754>on <00:56:20.930>like <00:56:21.105>going <00:56:21.279>into <00:56:21.455>topics

1383
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<00:56:22.595>that <00:56:22.848>we're <00:56:23.102>gonna <00:56:23.356>cover <00:56:23.610>later <00:56:23.864>on.

1384
00:56:24.245 --> 00:56:27.805
<00:56:24.245>I <00:56:24.372>love <00:56:24.499>that. <00:56:24.626>Uh, <00:56:24.754>there's <00:56:24.881>a, <00:56:25.008>a <00:56:25.135>10 <00:56:25.263>minute <00:56:25.390>thing <00:56:25.517>about, <00:56:25.645>uh,

1385
00:56:27.805 --> 00:56:30.525
<00:56:27.805>performance <00:56:28.004>debugging <00:56:28.205>and <00:56:28.404>dev <00:56:28.605>tools <00:56:28.805>from <00:56:29.004>Google <00:56:29.205>io.

1386
00:56:31.145 --> 00:56:33.885
<00:56:31.145>Now, <00:56:31.300>I <00:56:31.456>worked <00:56:31.611>on <00:56:31.767>the <00:56:31.922>performance <00:56:32.078>tools <00:56:32.233>in <00:56:32.389>the <00:56:32.545>browser

1387
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<00:56:34.185>and <00:56:34.384>I, <00:56:34.585>I <00:56:34.785>love <00:56:34.985>that <00:56:35.185>they're <00:56:35.384>in <00:56:35.585>there,

1388
00:56:36.225 --> 00:56:39.685
<00:56:36.225>but <00:56:36.380>holy <00:56:36.536>hell, <00:56:36.691>they're <00:56:36.847>actually <00:56:37.002>complex <00:56:37.158>by <00:56:37.313>now, <00:56:37.469>aren't <00:56:37.625>they?

1389
00:56:39.835 --> 00:56:41.365
<00:56:39.835>Like <00:56:40.179>you <00:56:40.523>really, <00:56:40.867>I <00:56:41.212>mean,

1390
00:56:41.565 --> 00:56:43.445
<00:56:41.565>a <00:56:41.740>10 <00:56:41.915>minute <00:56:42.090>intro <00:56:42.265>is <00:56:42.440>about <00:56:42.615>the <00:56:42.790>new <00:56:42.965>stuff

1391
00:56:43.445 --> 00:56:46.205
<00:56:43.445>that's <00:56:43.572>going <00:56:43.699>on <00:56:43.826>there, <00:56:43.954>but <00:56:44.081>it <00:56:44.208>seems <00:56:44.335>to <00:56:44.463>me <00:56:44.590>like <00:56:44.717>to <00:56:44.845>really,

1392
00:56:46.205 --> 00:56:49.005
<00:56:46.205>really <00:56:46.404>use <00:56:46.605>the <00:56:46.805>performance <00:56:47.005>tools <00:56:47.205>to <00:56:47.404>find <00:56:47.605>out

1393
00:56:49.005 --> 00:56:51.205
<00:56:49.005>where <00:56:49.238>the <00:56:49.471>problems <00:56:49.705>in <00:56:49.938>your <00:56:50.171>application <00:56:50.405>is.

1394
00:56:51.985 --> 00:56:53.805
<00:56:51.985>You <00:56:52.185>need <00:56:52.385>to <00:56:52.585>take <00:56:52.785>a <00:56:52.985>longer <00:56:53.185>course <00:56:53.385>just

1395
00:56:53.805 --> 00:56:55.925
<00:56:53.805>to <00:56:54.038>understand <00:56:54.271>the <00:56:54.504>dev <00:56:54.738>tools, <00:56:54.971>right? <00:56:55.205>Yeah.

1396
00:56:56.165 --> 00:56:57.325
<00:56:56.165>I, <00:56:56.373>uh, <00:56:56.582>I <00:56:56.791>agree <00:56:57.000>with <00:56:57.209>that.

1397
00:56:57.745 --> 00:57:01.565
<00:56:57.745>And, <00:56:57.872>and <00:56:57.999>this <00:56:58.126>is <00:56:58.254>one <00:56:58.381>of <00:56:58.508>the <00:56:58.635>things <00:56:58.763>that <00:56:58.890>changes <00:56:59.017>a <00:56:59.145>bit.

1398
00:57:01.705 --> 00:57:06.325
<00:57:01.705>Uh, <00:57:01.812>I <00:57:01.920>mean, <00:57:02.028>where <00:57:02.135>you <00:57:02.243>really <00:57:02.351>have <00:57:02.458>to <00:57:02.566>like <00:57:02.674>put <00:57:02.781>an <00:57:02.889>eye <00:57:02.997>on <00:57:03.105>it

1399
00:57:06.325 --> 00:57:09.325
<00:57:06.325>because, <00:57:06.558>and <00:57:06.791>different <00:57:07.024>browsers <00:57:07.258>have <00:57:07.491>like <00:57:07.725>similar

1400
00:57:09.585 --> 00:57:11.165
<00:57:09.585>but <00:57:10.051>different <00:57:10.518>features <00:57:10.985>sometimes.

1401
00:57:11.465 --> 00:57:13.485
<00:57:11.465>So <00:57:11.745>like <00:57:12.025>you <00:57:12.305>have <00:57:12.585>to <00:57:12.865>kind

1402
00:57:13.485 --> 00:57:15.605
<00:57:13.485>of <00:57:13.685>like <00:57:13.885>choose <00:57:14.085>the <00:57:14.285>right <00:57:14.485>tools <00:57:14.685>for <00:57:14.885>that.

1403
00:57:15.625 --> 00:57:18.565
<00:57:15.625>You <00:57:15.752>have <00:57:15.879>to <00:57:16.006>know. <00:57:16.134>I, <00:57:16.261>I <00:57:16.388>think <00:57:16.515>that <00:57:16.643>the <00:57:16.770>hardest <00:57:16.897>thing <00:57:17.025>is

1404
00:57:18.565 --> 00:57:21.005
<00:57:18.565>that <00:57:18.705>in <00:57:18.845>the <00:57:18.985>middle <00:57:19.125>of <00:57:19.265>all <00:57:19.405>the <00:57:19.545>things <00:57:19.685>to <00:57:19.825>find <00:57:19.965>out

1405
00:57:21.355 --> 00:57:22.485
<00:57:21.355>what <00:57:21.694>it <00:57:22.033>really <00:57:22.372>matters.

1406
00:57:22.865 --> 00:57:26.325
<00:57:22.865>And <00:57:23.040>it's <00:57:23.214>not <00:57:23.390>always <00:57:23.564>like <00:57:23.740>when <00:57:23.915>you <00:57:24.089>are <00:57:24.265>developing

1407
00:57:26.505 --> 00:57:28.285
<00:57:26.505>an, <00:57:26.971>it <00:57:27.438>depends, <00:57:27.905>right?

1408
00:57:28.285 --> 00:57:30.125
<00:57:28.285>Like <00:57:28.565>when <00:57:28.845>you're <00:57:29.125>developing <00:57:29.404>a <00:57:29.685>static

1409
00:57:30.305 --> 00:57:31.925
<00:57:30.305>or <00:57:30.771>not <00:57:31.238>very, <00:57:31.705>um,

1410
00:57:32.715 --> 00:57:36.805
<00:57:32.715>expensive <00:57:32.915>website <00:57:33.115>versus <00:57:33.315>developing <00:57:33.515>a, <00:57:33.715>an <00:57:33.915>application <00:57:34.115>like,

1411
00:57:37.385 --> 00:57:40.645
<00:57:37.385>um, <00:57:37.540>when <00:57:37.696>you <00:57:37.851>wanna <00:57:38.007>check <00:57:38.162>performance, <00:57:38.318>you <00:57:38.473>have <00:57:38.629>to <00:57:38.785>kind

1412
00:57:40.645 --> 00:57:42.605
<00:57:40.645>of <00:57:40.845>know <00:57:41.045>where <00:57:41.245>you <00:57:41.445>have <00:57:41.645>to <00:57:41.845>look <00:57:42.045>at.

1413
00:57:43.105 --> 00:57:46.405
<00:57:43.105>So <00:57:43.260>like, <00:57:43.416>what <00:57:43.571>kind <00:57:43.727>of <00:57:43.882>functions, <00:57:44.038>what <00:57:44.193>is <00:57:44.349>your <00:57:44.505>flow?

1414
00:57:46.705 --> 00:57:50.565
<00:57:46.705>Why <00:57:46.860>sometimes <00:57:47.016>a <00:57:47.171>function <00:57:47.327>takes, <00:57:47.482>takes <00:57:47.638>longer <00:57:47.793>than <00:57:47.949>another <00:57:48.105>is

1415
00:57:50.565 --> 00:57:53.645
<00:57:50.565>because <00:57:50.740>you, <00:57:50.915>the <00:57:51.090>first <00:57:51.265>time, <00:57:51.440>um, <00:57:51.615>I <00:57:51.790>don't <00:57:51.965>know,

1416
00:57:53.645 --> 00:57:54.925
<00:57:53.645>like <00:57:54.029>nothing <00:57:54.413>was <00:57:54.797>cashed.

1417
00:57:55.025 --> 00:57:57.205
<00:57:55.025>So <00:57:55.258>the <00:57:55.491>next <00:57:55.725>time <00:57:55.958>is <00:57:56.191>faster <00:57:56.425>just

1418
00:57:57.205 --> 00:57:59.045
<00:57:57.205>because <00:57:57.485>it <00:57:57.765>already <00:57:58.045>has <00:57:58.325>the <00:57:58.605>information

1419
00:57:59.505 --> 00:58:02.165
<00:57:59.505>or <00:57:59.680>why <00:57:59.855>at <00:58:00.030>some <00:58:00.205>point <00:58:00.380>is <00:58:00.555>it <00:58:00.730>slower <00:58:00.905>is

1420
00:58:02.165 --> 00:58:05.045
<00:58:02.165>because <00:58:02.398>it's <00:58:02.631>doing <00:58:02.865>something <00:58:03.098>specific, <00:58:03.331>like, <00:58:03.565>or

1421
00:58:05.045 --> 00:58:07.005
<00:58:05.045>because <00:58:05.325>you <00:58:05.605>have <00:58:05.885>interacted <00:58:06.165>with <00:58:06.445>that.

1422
00:58:07.005 --> 00:58:09.245
<00:58:07.005>Because <00:58:07.145>you <00:58:07.285>can <00:58:07.425>also <00:58:07.565>know <00:58:07.705>that, <00:58:07.845>you <00:58:07.985>can <00:58:08.125>know <00:58:08.265>if, <00:58:08.405>uh,

1423
00:58:09.385 --> 00:58:12.285
<00:58:09.385>if <00:58:09.618>a <00:58:09.851>trigger, <00:58:10.085>like <00:58:10.318>a <00:58:10.551>point <00:58:10.785>click

1424
00:58:12.285 --> 00:58:14.565
<00:58:12.285>or <00:58:12.518>whatever <00:58:12.751>has <00:58:12.984>like <00:58:13.218>trigger <00:58:13.451>the <00:58:13.685>function.

1425
00:58:14.705 --> 00:58:18.365
<00:58:14.705>So <00:58:14.845>you <00:58:14.985>have <00:58:15.125>to, <00:58:15.265>um, <00:58:15.404>I <00:58:15.545>don't <00:58:15.685>know, <00:58:15.825>invest, <00:58:15.965>uh, <00:58:16.105>yeah,

1426
00:58:18.685 --> 00:58:20.365
<00:58:18.685>investigate <00:58:18.965>a <00:58:19.245>lot, <00:58:19.525>uh, <00:58:19.805>on <00:58:20.085>that.

1427
00:58:20.545 --> 00:58:23.365
<00:58:20.545>And <00:58:20.745>sometimes <00:58:20.945>it <00:58:21.145>might <00:58:21.345>not <00:58:21.545>be <00:58:21.745>that <00:58:21.945>trivial.

1428
00:58:23.365 --> 00:58:28.005
<00:58:23.365>And <00:58:23.504>you <00:58:23.645>also <00:58:23.785>like <00:58:23.924>have <00:58:24.064>to <00:58:24.205>know <00:58:24.345>somehow <00:58:24.484>how <00:58:24.625>to <00:58:24.765>like,

1429
00:58:28.105 --> 00:58:31.765
<00:58:28.105>use <00:58:28.280>your <00:58:28.455>code <00:58:28.630>to <00:58:28.805>check <00:58:28.980>per, <00:58:29.155>to <00:58:29.330>take <00:58:29.505>performance.

1430
00:58:31.765 --> 00:58:34.965
<00:58:31.765>So <00:58:31.964>it's <00:58:32.165>not <00:58:32.365>yet <00:58:32.565>about <00:58:32.765>opening <00:58:32.964>the <00:58:33.165>browser

1431
00:58:35.145 --> 00:58:38.085
<00:58:35.145>and <00:58:35.300>check, <00:58:35.456>uh, <00:58:35.611>you <00:58:35.767>know, <00:58:35.922>or <00:58:36.078>generate <00:58:36.233>a <00:58:36.389>flinging <00:58:36.545>graph

1432
00:58:38.345 --> 00:58:40.565
<00:58:38.345>and, <00:58:38.694>uh, <00:58:39.044>dive <00:58:39.395>into <00:58:39.745>it.

1433
00:58:40.785 --> 00:58:42.925
<00:58:40.785>But <00:58:40.940>also <00:58:41.096>like, <00:58:41.251>I <00:58:41.407>wanna <00:58:41.562>put <00:58:41.718>a <00:58:41.873>mark <00:58:42.029>on <00:58:42.185>here

1434
00:58:42.925 --> 00:58:45.645
<00:58:42.925>because <00:58:43.125>I've <00:58:43.325>seen <00:58:43.525>that <00:58:43.725>this <00:58:43.925>function <00:58:44.125>is <00:58:44.325>expensive,

1435
00:58:45.665 --> 00:58:47.605
<00:58:45.665>so <00:58:45.820>I'm <00:58:45.976>gonna <00:58:46.131>check <00:58:46.287>how <00:58:46.442>long <00:58:46.598>it <00:58:46.753>takes <00:58:46.909>and <00:58:47.065>whatever.

1436
00:58:47.665 --> 00:58:50.685
<00:58:47.665>So <00:58:47.781>yeah, <00:58:47.898>to <00:58:48.015>me, <00:58:48.131>like <00:58:48.248>there's <00:58:48.365>a <00:58:48.481>lot <00:58:48.598>of <00:58:48.715>things <00:58:48.831>that <00:58:48.948>you <00:58:49.065>have

1437
00:58:50.685 --> 00:58:53.045
<00:58:50.685>to <00:58:50.884>know <00:58:51.085>about <00:58:51.285>that <00:58:51.485>and <00:58:51.685>it's, <00:58:51.884>it's <00:58:52.085>kind

1438
00:58:53.045 --> 00:58:54.085
<00:58:53.045>of <00:58:53.513>intuitive <00:58:53.981>sometimes,

1439
00:58:54.225 --> 00:58:56.685
<00:58:54.225>but <00:58:54.365>at <00:58:54.505>the <00:58:54.645>same <00:58:54.785>time, <00:58:54.924>I <00:58:55.065>think <00:58:55.205>it's <00:58:55.345>kind <00:58:55.485>of <00:58:55.625>hard.

1440
00:58:57.565 --> 00:59:00.605
<00:58:57.565>I <00:58:57.740>mean, <00:58:57.915>also <00:58:58.090>because <00:58:58.265>these <00:58:58.440>tools <00:58:58.615>were <00:58:58.790>basically <00:58:58.965>built

1441
00:59:00.705 --> 00:59:03.125
<00:59:00.705>to <00:59:00.904>debug <00:59:01.105>the <00:59:01.305>dom <00:59:01.505>and <00:59:01.705>debug <00:59:01.904>the <00:59:02.105>browser.

1442
00:59:03.125 --> 00:59:04.725
<00:59:03.125>Mm-hmm. <00:59:03.405>And <00:59:03.685>also <00:59:03.965>the <00:59:04.245>CSS <00:59:04.525>on,

1443
00:59:04.725 --> 00:59:06.365
<00:59:04.725>and <00:59:04.924>all <00:59:05.125>the <00:59:05.325>bits <00:59:05.525>that <00:59:05.725>basically <00:59:05.924>going <00:59:06.125>on

1444
00:59:06.385 --> 00:59:07.565
<00:59:06.385>and <00:59:06.650>in <00:59:06.916>the <00:59:07.181>browser <00:59:07.447>itself.

1445
00:59:08.145 --> 00:59:10.525
<00:59:08.145>And <00:59:08.345>then <00:59:08.545>of <00:59:08.745>course <00:59:08.945>we <00:59:09.145>use <00:59:09.345>libraries, <00:59:09.545>uh,

1446
00:59:10.525 --> 00:59:12.085
<00:59:10.525>to <00:59:10.805>actually <00:59:11.085>work <00:59:11.365>around <00:59:11.645>these <00:59:11.925>things.

1447
00:59:12.145 --> 00:59:14.765
<00:59:12.145>And <00:59:12.320>that <00:59:12.495>was <00:59:12.670>another <00:59:12.845>interesting <00:59:13.020>little <00:59:13.195>article <00:59:13.370>here <00:59:13.545>about

1448
00:59:14.785 --> 00:59:16.725
<00:59:14.785>the, <00:59:15.065>uh, <00:59:15.345>video <00:59:15.625>about <00:59:15.904>like, <00:59:16.185>uh,

1449
00:59:16.725 --> 00:59:19.725
<00:59:16.725>three <00:59:16.924>different <00:59:17.125>ways <00:59:17.325>JavaScript <00:59:17.525>frameworks <00:59:17.725>render <00:59:17.924>the <00:59:18.125>DOM

1450
00:59:20.085 --> 00:59:23.645
<00:59:20.085>actually <00:59:20.225>how <00:59:20.365>they, <00:59:20.505>uh, <00:59:20.645>how <00:59:20.785>they <00:59:20.925>actually <00:59:21.065>do <00:59:21.205>the <00:59:21.345>DOM <00:59:21.485>stuff

1451
00:59:23.645 --> 00:59:26.285
<00:59:23.645>that <00:59:23.800>you <00:59:23.956>are <00:59:24.111>supposed <00:59:24.267>to <00:59:24.422>do, <00:59:24.578>uh, <00:59:24.733>not <00:59:24.889>to <00:59:25.045>do

1452
00:59:26.285 --> 00:59:27.525
<00:59:26.285>by <00:59:26.564>hand <00:59:26.843>because <00:59:27.122>it's <00:59:27.401>slow.

1453
00:59:27.585 --> 00:59:31.085
<00:59:27.585>And <00:59:27.818>then <00:59:28.051>of <00:59:28.285>course, <00:59:28.518>as <00:59:28.751>a <00:59:28.985>developer

1454
00:59:31.145 --> 00:59:32.765
<00:59:31.145>of <00:59:31.378>the <00:59:31.611>developer <00:59:31.845>tools <00:59:32.078>in <00:59:32.311>the <00:59:32.545>browser,

1455
00:59:33.045 --> 00:59:34.605
<00:59:33.045>I <00:59:33.220>was <00:59:33.395>just <00:59:33.570>like, <00:59:33.745>okay, <00:59:33.920>I <00:59:34.095>can't <00:59:34.270>help <00:59:34.445>you.

1456
00:59:34.705 --> 00:59:36.765
<00:59:34.705>You <00:59:34.845>have <00:59:34.985>to <00:59:35.125>build <00:59:35.265>your <00:59:35.404>own <00:59:35.545>because <00:59:35.685>you're <00:59:35.825>actually <00:59:35.965>doing <00:59:36.105>the

1457
00:59:36.765 --> 00:59:37.765
<00:59:36.765>virtual <00:59:37.214>dom <00:59:37.665>stuff.

1458
00:59:38.325 --> 00:59:41.045
<00:59:38.325>I <00:59:38.441>mean, <00:59:38.558>I <00:59:38.674>can <00:59:38.791>do, <00:59:38.908>I <00:59:39.024>can <00:59:39.141>help <00:59:39.258>you <00:59:39.375>with <00:59:39.491>the <00:59:39.608>final <00:59:39.725>rendering

1459
00:59:41.045 --> 00:59:42.205
<00:59:41.045>of <00:59:41.393>it, <00:59:41.741>but <00:59:42.089>most

1460
00:59:42.205 --> 00:59:44.885
<00:59:42.205>of <00:59:42.321>the <00:59:42.438>time <00:59:42.555>when <00:59:42.671>you <00:59:42.788>then <00:59:42.904>see <00:59:43.021>the <00:59:43.138>bugs <00:59:43.255>in <00:59:43.371>the, <00:59:43.488>uh <00:59:43.605>mm-hmm.

1461
00:59:44.885 --> 00:59:47.805
<00:59:44.885>Order <00:59:45.085>expensive <00:59:45.285>functions, <00:59:45.485>you <00:59:45.685>can't <00:59:45.885>even <00:59:46.085>go <00:59:46.285>back

1462
00:59:47.805 --> 00:59:49.085
<00:59:47.805>to <00:59:48.035>the <00:59:48.265>function <00:59:48.496>that <00:59:48.726>caused <00:59:48.957>it

1463
00:59:49.085 --> 00:59:51.645
<00:59:49.085>because <00:59:49.365>it's, <00:59:49.645>it's <00:59:49.925>five <00:59:50.205>levels <00:59:50.485>above.

1464
00:59:52.235 --> 00:59:53.805
<00:59:52.235>Yeah, <00:59:52.585>yeah, <00:59:52.935>that's <00:59:53.285>right. <00:59:53.635>Yeah.

1465
00:59:53.825 --> 00:59:58.805
<00:59:53.825>And <00:59:53.980>many <00:59:54.136>frameworks <00:59:54.291>like, <00:59:54.447>um, <00:59:54.602>like <00:59:54.758>release <00:59:54.913>their <00:59:55.069>own, <00:59:55.225>um,

1466
00:59:59.095 --> 01:00:01.245
<00:59:59.095>tools <00:59:59.328>that <00:59:59.561>you <00:59:59.794>can, <01:00:00.028>they <01:00:00.261>own <01:00:00.495>extensions

1467
01:00:01.315 --> 01:00:03.605
<01:00:01.315>that <01:00:01.490>you <01:00:01.665>can <01:00:01.840>integrate <01:00:02.015>in <01:00:02.190>the <01:00:02.365>browser, <01:00:02.540>not <01:00:02.715>only

1468
01:00:03.625 --> 01:00:07.885
<01:00:03.625>for <01:00:03.780>like <01:00:03.936>performance, <01:00:04.091>uh, <01:00:04.247>check <01:00:04.402>checks, <01:00:04.558>but <01:00:04.713>also <01:00:04.869>for <01:00:05.025>liano.

1469
01:00:07.885 --> 01:00:10.485
<01:00:07.885>In <01:00:08.012>the <01:00:08.139>case <01:00:08.266>of <01:00:08.394>reactive, <01:00:08.521>you <01:00:08.648>are <01:00:08.775>using <01:00:08.903>some <01:00:09.030>kind <01:00:09.157>of, <01:00:09.285>uh,

1470
01:00:10.525 --> 01:00:12.965
<01:00:10.525>I <01:00:10.680>know <01:00:10.836>estate <01:00:10.991>manager, <01:00:11.147>like <01:00:11.302>you <01:00:11.458>can <01:00:11.613>also <01:00:11.769>debug <01:00:11.925>it,

1471
01:00:13.505 --> 01:00:14.565
<01:00:13.505>um, <01:00:13.982>am <01:00:14.459>Yeah.

1472
01:00:14.565 --> 01:00:17.765
<01:00:14.565>And <01:00:14.720>some <01:00:14.876>years <01:00:15.031>ago <01:00:15.187>they, <01:00:15.342>if, <01:00:15.498>if <01:00:15.653>I <01:00:15.809>remember <01:00:15.965>correctly,

1473
01:00:17.835 --> 01:00:22.525
<01:00:17.835>they <01:00:18.035>introduced <01:00:18.235>it <01:00:18.435>like <01:00:18.635>some <01:00:18.835>improvements <01:00:19.035>on <01:00:19.235>debugging,

1474
01:00:22.745 --> 01:00:25.045
<01:00:22.745>uh, <01:00:23.025>web <01:00:23.305>assembly <01:00:23.585>functions <01:00:23.865>and <01:00:24.145>stuff.

1475
01:00:25.105 --> 01:00:29.125
<01:00:25.105>So <01:00:25.232>at <01:00:25.359>the <01:00:25.486>beginning <01:00:25.614>there <01:00:25.741>was <01:00:25.868>like <01:00:25.995>just <01:00:26.123>a <01:00:26.250>bunch <01:00:26.377>of <01:00:26.505>letters

1476
01:00:29.305 --> 01:00:30.765
<01:00:29.305>and <01:00:29.633>generated <01:00:29.962>things <01:00:30.290>out <01:00:30.618>there

1477
01:00:30.905 --> 01:00:33.325
<01:00:30.905>and <01:00:31.185>like <01:00:31.465>they <01:00:31.745>have <01:00:32.025>been <01:00:32.305>evolving

1478
01:00:33.395 --> 01:00:37.445
<01:00:33.395>that <01:00:33.535>on <01:00:33.675>putting <01:00:33.815>like <01:00:33.955>the <01:00:34.095>rate <01:00:34.235>right <01:00:34.375>name <01:00:34.515>to <01:00:34.655>the <01:00:34.795>function

1479
01:00:37.465 --> 01:00:39.605
<01:00:37.465>so <01:00:37.640>you <01:00:37.815>can <01:00:37.990>know <01:00:38.165>what <01:00:38.340>are <01:00:38.515>you <01:00:38.690>looking <01:00:38.865>at.

1480
01:00:39.905 --> 01:00:42.485
<01:00:39.905>So <01:00:40.080>yeah, <01:00:40.255>I <01:00:40.430>think <01:00:40.605>it's <01:00:40.780>going <01:00:40.955>to, <01:00:41.130>it's <01:00:41.305>something

1481
01:00:42.485 --> 01:00:45.405
<01:00:42.485>that <01:00:42.612>evolves <01:00:42.739>a <01:00:42.866>lot <01:00:42.994>and <01:00:43.121>maybe <01:00:43.248>at <01:00:43.375>some <01:00:43.503>point <01:00:43.630>you <01:00:43.757>find <01:00:43.885>it

1482
01:00:45.565 --> 01:00:47.725
<01:00:45.565>terrible, <01:00:45.798>but <01:00:46.031>people <01:00:46.265>are <01:00:46.498>working <01:00:46.731>on <01:00:46.965>that

1483
01:00:47.825 --> 01:00:49.245
<01:00:47.825>and <01:00:48.007>at <01:00:48.190>some <01:00:48.372>point <01:00:48.555>it's <01:00:48.737>not <01:00:48.920>that <01:00:49.103>terrible.

1484
01:00:49.465 --> 01:00:51.245
<01:00:49.465>So <01:00:49.698>yeah, <01:00:49.931>it's <01:00:50.165>something <01:00:50.398>that <01:00:50.631>you <01:00:50.865>have

1485
01:00:51.245 --> 01:00:52.605
<01:00:51.245>to <01:00:51.419>be <01:00:51.594>a <01:00:51.769>bit <01:00:51.944>up <01:00:52.119>to <01:00:52.294>date <01:00:52.469>maybe.

1486
01:00:53.155 --> 01:00:55.325
<01:00:53.155>Yeah, <01:00:53.435>I <01:00:53.715>remember <01:00:53.995>Source <01:00:54.275>maps <01:00:54.555>tried

1487
01:00:55.325 --> 01:00:56.485
<01:00:55.325>to <01:00:55.586>be <01:00:55.846>the <01:00:56.108>solution <01:00:56.369>there,

1488
01:00:56.665 --> 01:00:58.325
<01:00:56.665>but <01:00:56.865>then <01:00:57.065>there <01:00:57.265>was <01:00:57.465>no <01:00:57.665>standard <01:00:57.865>for <01:00:58.065>them

1489
01:00:58.505 --> 01:00:59.885
<01:00:58.505>and <01:00:58.815>everybody <01:00:59.126>did <01:00:59.436>them <01:00:59.747>differently.

1490
01:01:00.145 --> 01:01:02.565
<01:01:00.145>So <01:01:00.378>that <01:01:00.611>was <01:01:00.845>another <01:01:01.078>weird <01:01:01.311>problem <01:01:01.545>there.

1491
01:01:03.075 --> 01:01:05.765
<01:01:03.075>Well, <01:01:03.214>I <01:01:03.355>guess <01:01:03.495>this <01:01:03.634>is <01:01:03.774>the <01:01:03.915>end <01:01:04.055>of <01:01:04.194>the, <01:01:04.335>uh, <01:01:04.475>uh,

1492
01:01:05.765 --> 01:01:07.245
<01:01:05.765>we <01:01:06.031>are <01:01:06.297>developer's <01:01:06.564>life <01:01:06.830>for <01:01:07.096>today.

1493
01:01:07.245 --> 01:01:09.765
<01:01:07.245>We're <01:01:07.420>gonna <01:01:07.595>switch <01:01:07.770>over <01:01:07.944>and <01:01:08.120>do, <01:01:08.295>uh, <01:01:08.470>uh, <01:01:08.645>the,

1494
01:01:09.865 --> 01:01:12.005
<01:01:09.865>the <01:01:10.145>more <01:01:10.424>detailed <01:01:10.705>conversation <01:01:10.984>with <01:01:11.265>you.

1495
01:01:12.185 --> 01:01:14.645
<01:01:12.185>But <01:01:12.312>first <01:01:12.439>of <01:01:12.566>all, <01:01:12.694>thank <01:01:12.821>you <01:01:12.948>for <01:01:13.075>being <01:01:13.203>on <01:01:13.330>the <01:01:13.457>show <01:01:13.585>today.

1496
01:01:15.385 --> 01:01:16.885
<01:01:15.385>Any <01:01:15.610>last <01:01:15.835>words <01:01:16.060>you <01:01:16.285>have <01:01:16.510>for <01:01:16.735>people

1497
01:01:16.885 --> 01:01:19.245
<01:01:16.885>before <01:01:17.060>we <01:01:17.235>go <01:01:17.410>into <01:01:17.585>the <01:01:17.760>coffee <01:01:17.935>with <01:01:18.110>developer <01:01:18.285>recording?

1498
01:01:19.685 --> 01:01:21.245
<01:01:19.685>Anything <01:01:19.918>you <01:01:20.151>want <01:01:20.384>people <01:01:20.618>to <01:01:20.851>play <01:01:21.085>with?

1499
01:01:21.685 --> 01:01:23.205
<01:01:21.685>Anything <01:01:21.913>you <01:01:22.141>want <01:01:22.369>people <01:01:22.596>to <01:01:22.825>stop <01:01:23.053>doing?

1500
01:01:25.065 --> 01:01:27.245
<01:01:25.065>No. <01:01:25.298>Yes. <01:01:25.531>Thank <01:01:25.765>you <01:01:25.998>for <01:01:26.231>inviting <01:01:26.465>me.

1501
01:01:27.345 --> 01:01:29.165
<01:01:27.345>It <01:01:27.694>was <01:01:28.044>like <01:01:28.395>really <01:01:28.745>fun.

1502
01:01:29.315 --> 01:01:33.845
<01:01:29.315>It's <01:01:29.442>also <01:01:29.569>fun, <01:01:29.696>like <01:01:29.824>to <01:01:29.951>be <01:01:30.078>more <01:01:30.205>up <01:01:30.333>to <01:01:30.460>date <01:01:30.587>into <01:01:30.715>frontend

1503
01:01:33.845 --> 01:01:36.125
<01:01:33.845>and <01:01:34.020>browser <01:01:34.194>stuff, <01:01:34.370>so <01:01:34.544>I've <01:01:34.720>missed <01:01:34.895>that <01:01:35.069>a <01:01:35.245>lot.

1504
01:01:36.385 --> 01:01:39.845
<01:01:36.385>So <01:01:36.540>yeah, <01:01:36.696>I'm, <01:01:36.851>I'm <01:01:37.007>really <01:01:37.162>happy <01:01:37.318>for <01:01:37.473>being <01:01:37.629>here. <01:01:37.785>Yeah,

1505
01:01:39.845 --> 01:01:40.845
<01:01:39.845>That's <01:01:40.145>all. <01:01:40.444>Then <01:01:40.745>what's

1506
01:01:40.845 --> 01:01:41.965
<01:01:40.845>your <01:01:41.096>word <01:01:41.349>of <01:01:41.601>the <01:01:41.853>week?

1507
01:01:42.315 --> 01:01:44.045
<01:01:42.315>Like <01:01:42.515>your, <01:01:42.715>your <01:01:42.915>message <01:01:43.115>of <01:01:43.315>the <01:01:43.515>week? <01:01:43.715>Oh,

1508
01:01:45.505 --> 01:01:46.885
<01:01:45.505>I'd <01:01:45.682>say <01:01:45.859>go <01:01:46.037>and <01:01:46.214>check <01:01:46.392>out <01:01:46.569>pen <01:01:46.747>pot.

1509
01:01:47.205 --> 01:01:49.085
<01:01:47.205>Actually, <01:01:47.360>I'm, <01:01:47.516>I <01:01:47.671>mean, <01:01:47.827>I'm, <01:01:47.982>I'm, <01:01:48.138>I'm <01:01:48.293>also <01:01:48.449>saying <01:01:48.605>that

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<01:01:52.605>But, <01:01:52.780>um, <01:01:52.955>yeah, <01:01:53.130>there's <01:01:53.305>some <01:01:53.480>exciting <01:01:53.655>stuff <01:01:53.830>happening <01:01:54.005>there.

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<01:02:04.165>where <01:02:04.453>designers <01:02:04.741>and <01:02:05.029>developers <01:02:05.317>meet.

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<01:02:08.745>But <01:02:09.051>yeah, <01:02:09.357>it <01:02:09.663>works.

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<01:02:09.765>Mm-hmm. <01:02:10.464>Okay, <01:02:11.165>cool.

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