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<00:15:00.805>can <00:15:01.021>you <00:15:01.237>go <00:15:01.453>into <00:15:01.669>another <00:15:01.885>direction?

384
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<00:15:02.005>You <00:15:02.180>basically <00:15:02.355>have <00:15:02.530>like <00:15:02.705>this <00:15:02.880>interaction <00:15:03.055>all <00:15:03.230>the <00:15:03.405>time.

385
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<00:15:04.585>The <00:15:04.725>interesting <00:15:04.865>algorithm <00:15:05.005>I <00:15:05.145>think <00:15:05.285>behind <00:15:05.425>it <00:15:05.565>is <00:15:05.705>then <00:15:05.845>to <00:15:05.985>solve

386
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<00:15:08.715>when <00:15:09.041>AI <00:15:09.367>is <00:15:09.693>still <00:15:10.020>working

387
00:15:10.265 --> 00:15:12.845
<00:15:10.265>and <00:15:10.405>you <00:15:10.545>are <00:15:10.685>typing <00:15:10.824>in <00:15:10.965>another <00:15:11.105>prompt <00:15:11.245>while <00:15:11.385>AI <00:15:11.525>is <00:15:11.665>still

388
00:15:12.845 --> 00:15:16.845
<00:15:12.845>working, <00:15:12.985>how <00:15:13.125>does <00:15:13.265>the <00:15:13.405>AI <00:15:13.545>actually <00:15:13.685>detect <00:15:13.825>when <00:15:13.965>is <00:15:14.105>the <00:15:14.245>smart

389
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<00:15:16.845>moment <00:15:17.000>to <00:15:17.156>actually <00:15:17.311>provide, <00:15:17.467>uh, <00:15:17.622>to <00:15:17.778>actually <00:15:17.933>use <00:15:18.089>this <00:15:18.245>prompt

390
00:15:20.465 --> 00:15:22.965
<00:15:20.465>to <00:15:20.605>use, <00:15:20.745>uh, <00:15:20.885>the, <00:15:21.025>the <00:15:21.165>person <00:15:21.305>has <00:15:21.445>provided <00:15:21.585>in <00:15:21.725>that <00:15:21.865>moment.

391
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<00:15:23.185>And <00:15:23.385>the <00:15:23.584>same <00:15:23.785>is <00:15:23.984>true <00:15:24.185>when <00:15:24.385>you <00:15:24.584>like

392
00:15:24.805 --> 00:15:26.805
<00:15:24.805>to <00:15:25.155>provide <00:15:25.505>additional <00:15:25.854>context, <00:15:26.204>right?

393
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<00:15:26.825>Or <00:15:27.025>an <00:15:27.225>additional <00:15:27.425>tool <00:15:27.625>or <00:15:27.825>something <00:15:28.025>like <00:15:28.225>that.

394
00:15:29.345 --> 00:15:34.085
<00:15:29.345>Um, <00:15:29.461>I <00:15:29.578>haven't <00:15:29.695>seen <00:15:29.811>this <00:15:29.928>solved <00:15:30.045>in <00:15:30.161>any <00:15:30.278>product <00:15:30.395>at <00:15:30.511>all <00:15:30.628>in <00:15:30.745>a

395
00:15:34.085 --> 00:15:35.085
<00:15:34.085>good <00:15:34.535>way <00:15:34.985>yet,

396
00:15:35.145 --> 00:15:37.445
<00:15:35.145>but <00:15:35.272>I <00:15:35.399>think <00:15:35.526>this <00:15:35.654>is <00:15:35.781>one <00:15:35.908>of <00:15:36.035>the <00:15:36.163>next <00:15:36.290>thing <00:15:36.417>big <00:15:36.545>things

397
00:15:37.445 --> 00:15:40.125
<00:15:37.445>that <00:15:37.600>will, <00:15:37.756>that <00:15:37.911>will <00:15:38.067>come <00:15:38.222>that <00:15:38.378>we <00:15:38.533>can <00:15:38.689>basically <00:15:38.845>interact

398
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<00:15:40.125>with <00:15:40.377>AI <00:15:40.629>all <00:15:40.881>the <00:15:41.133>time.

399
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<00:15:41.585>And <00:15:41.818>it's <00:15:42.051>then <00:15:42.285>also <00:15:42.518>considered <00:15:42.751>almost <00:15:42.985>in

400
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<00:15:43.685>quotation <00:15:44.035>marks, <00:15:44.385>right? <00:15:44.734>Real <00:15:45.084>time.

401
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<00:15:46.165>I <00:15:46.339>mean <00:15:46.515>then <00:15:46.689>it's <00:15:46.865>probably <00:15:47.040>the <00:15:47.214>same <00:15:47.390>with <00:15:47.564>you.

402
00:15:48.005 --> 00:15:50.565
<00:15:48.005>Like, <00:15:48.132>it <00:15:48.259>always <00:15:48.386>fascinates <00:15:48.514>me <00:15:48.641>when <00:15:48.768>I, <00:15:48.895>when <00:15:49.023>I <00:15:49.150>use <00:15:49.277>a <00:15:49.405>language

403
00:15:50.565 --> 00:15:52.205
<00:15:50.565>that <00:15:50.798>I'm <00:15:51.031>not <00:15:51.265>quite <00:15:51.498>quite <00:15:51.731>familiar <00:15:51.965>with

404
00:15:52.305 --> 00:15:54.685
<00:15:52.305>and <00:15:52.460>then <00:15:52.616>like <00:15:52.771>get <00:15:52.927>like <00:15:53.082>auto <00:15:53.238>completion <00:15:53.393>from <00:15:53.549>an <00:15:53.704>AI

405
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<00:15:54.685>environment <00:15:54.964>and <00:15:55.244>then <00:15:55.525>it <00:15:55.805>actually, <00:15:56.084>uh,

406
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<00:15:57.225>starts <00:15:57.458>hallucinating <00:15:57.691>function <00:15:57.925>names <00:15:58.158>that <00:15:58.391>don't <00:15:58.625>exist.

407
00:16:00.395 --> 00:16:03.365
<00:16:00.395>Like, <00:16:00.522>so <00:16:00.649>I <00:16:00.776>mean <00:16:00.904>I've <00:16:01.031>seen <00:16:01.158>CSS <00:16:01.285>features <00:16:01.413>that <00:16:01.540>I'm <00:16:01.667>like, <00:16:01.795>oh,

408
00:16:03.365 --> 00:16:04.805
<00:16:03.365>this <00:16:03.581>would <00:16:03.797>be <00:16:04.013>so <00:16:04.228>cool <00:16:04.444>to <00:16:04.661>have.

409
00:16:04.945 --> 00:16:07.285
<00:16:04.945>Is <00:16:05.085>that <00:16:05.225>already <00:16:05.365>in <00:16:05.505>there? <00:16:05.645>And <00:16:05.785>then <00:16:05.925>like, <00:16:06.065>no, <00:16:06.205>it <00:16:06.345>wasn't.

410
00:16:07.635 --> 00:16:10.125
<00:16:07.635>Yeah, <00:16:07.775>no, <00:16:07.915>completely. <00:16:08.055>I <00:16:08.194>think, <00:16:08.335>you <00:16:08.475>know, <00:16:08.615>it, <00:16:08.755>it <00:16:08.895>is <00:16:09.035>funny

411
00:16:10.325 --> 00:16:12.245
<00:16:10.325>'cause <00:16:10.452>I <00:16:10.579>was <00:16:10.706>just <00:16:10.834>thinking <00:16:10.961>then <00:16:11.088>about <00:16:11.215>how <00:16:11.343>we <00:16:11.470>call <00:16:11.597>them <00:16:11.725>sort

412
00:16:12.245 --> 00:16:14.885
<00:16:12.245>of <00:16:12.372>chat <00:16:12.499>bots, <00:16:12.626>but <00:16:12.754>it's <00:16:12.881>not, <00:16:13.008>it's <00:16:13.135>a <00:16:13.263>strange <00:16:13.390>way <00:16:13.517>of <00:16:13.645>chatting.

413
00:16:15.115 --> 00:16:16.685
<00:16:15.115>It's <00:16:15.315>kind <00:16:15.515>of <00:16:15.715>a <00:16:15.915>really <00:16:16.115>unnatural, <00:16:16.315>you <00:16:16.515>know,

414
00:16:16.685 --> 00:16:19.005
<00:16:16.685>because <00:16:16.840>like <00:16:16.996>you <00:16:17.151>are <00:16:17.307>saying, <00:16:17.462>imagine <00:16:17.618>if <00:16:17.773>you <00:16:17.929>said <00:16:18.084>something

415
00:16:19.025 --> 00:16:21.005
<00:16:19.025>and <00:16:19.180>then <00:16:19.336>I <00:16:19.491>say, <00:16:19.647>okay, <00:16:19.802>now <00:16:19.958>I'll <00:16:20.113>respond <00:16:20.269>to <00:16:20.425>that

416
00:16:21.225 --> 00:16:23.245
<00:16:21.225>and <00:16:21.458>you <00:16:21.691>can't, <00:16:21.925>you <00:16:22.158>can't <00:16:22.391>correct <00:16:22.625>me.

417
00:16:23.245 --> 00:16:24.525
<00:16:23.245>You <00:16:23.475>can't <00:16:23.705>update <00:16:23.936>me <00:16:24.166>on <00:16:24.396>anything.

418
00:16:24.525 --> 00:16:26.125
<00:16:24.525>You <00:16:24.699>can't <00:16:24.875>say, <00:16:25.050>no, <00:16:25.225>Dan, <00:16:25.400>you've <00:16:25.574>got <00:16:25.750>that <00:16:25.925>wrong

419
00:16:26.495 --> 00:16:27.685
<00:16:26.495>until <00:16:26.762>I <00:16:27.030>give <00:16:27.298>my <00:16:27.565>response.

420
00:16:27.705 --> 00:16:30.405
<00:16:27.705>You <00:16:27.812>know, <00:16:27.920>it <00:16:28.028>would <00:16:28.135>be <00:16:28.243>a <00:16:28.351>very <00:16:28.458>um, <00:16:28.566>sort <00:16:28.674>of <00:16:28.781>stilted <00:16:28.889>way <00:16:28.997>of, <00:16:29.105>um,

421
00:16:30.725 --> 00:16:32.845
<00:16:30.725>communicating <00:16:30.900>and <00:16:31.075>yeah, <00:16:31.250>I <00:16:31.425>think <00:16:31.600>it <00:16:31.775>does <00:16:31.950>feel <00:16:32.125>like

422
00:16:32.845 --> 00:16:34.725
<00:16:32.845>that <00:16:33.045>hopefully <00:16:33.245>is <00:16:33.445>the <00:16:33.645>next <00:16:33.845>thing <00:16:34.045>to <00:16:34.245>come

423
00:16:34.725 --> 00:16:38.525
<00:16:34.725>because <00:16:34.841>um, <00:16:34.958>I <00:16:35.075>think <00:16:35.191>that <00:16:35.308>so <00:16:35.425>much <00:16:35.541>of <00:16:35.658>when, <00:16:35.775>if <00:16:35.891>I'm <00:16:36.008>ever <00:16:36.125>using,

424
00:16:38.715 --> 00:16:41.685
<00:16:38.715>I've <00:16:38.855>been <00:16:38.995>using <00:16:39.135>Cursor <00:16:39.275>and <00:16:39.415>I <00:16:39.555>actually <00:16:39.695>find <00:16:39.835>that, <00:16:39.975>you <00:16:40.115>know,

425
00:16:41.745 --> 00:16:43.805
<00:16:41.745>it <00:16:41.945>quite <00:16:42.145>often, <00:16:42.345>it <00:16:42.545>creates <00:16:42.745>all <00:16:42.945>these <00:16:43.145>files

426
00:16:43.945 --> 00:16:46.525
<00:16:43.945>and <00:16:44.100>then <00:16:44.256>when <00:16:44.411>you <00:16:44.567>decide <00:16:44.722>that <00:16:44.878>you <00:16:45.033>wanna <00:16:45.189>change <00:16:45.345>direction,

427
00:16:46.755 --> 00:16:48.645
<00:16:46.755>it's <00:16:46.930>very <00:16:47.105>difficult <00:16:47.280>to <00:16:47.455>do <00:16:47.630>a <00:16:47.805>cleanup <00:16:47.980>of <00:16:48.155>that.

428
00:16:49.005 --> 00:16:50.485
<00:16:49.005>I <00:16:49.227>mean <00:16:49.449>it's, <00:16:49.671>it's <00:16:49.893>not <00:16:50.115>very <00:16:50.337>difficult.

429
00:16:50.485 --> 00:16:51.805
<00:16:50.485>It's <00:16:50.722>like <00:16:50.960>you've <00:16:51.197>got <00:16:51.435>version <00:16:51.673>control

430
00:16:51.825 --> 00:16:53.965
<00:16:51.825>so <00:16:51.941>you <00:16:52.058>can <00:16:52.175>just <00:16:52.291>roll <00:16:52.408>back, <00:16:52.525>but <00:16:52.641>at <00:16:52.758>the <00:16:52.875>same <00:16:52.991>time <00:16:53.108>you <00:16:53.225>are,

431
00:16:54.425 --> 00:16:56.725
<00:16:54.425>you <00:16:54.580>are, <00:16:54.736>you're <00:16:54.891>finding <00:16:55.047>that <00:16:55.202>if <00:16:55.358>you, <00:16:55.513>um, <00:16:55.669>if <00:16:55.824>you,

432
00:16:56.865 --> 00:16:59.285
<00:16:56.865>if <00:16:56.992>you <00:16:57.119>don't <00:16:57.246>keep <00:16:57.374>a <00:16:57.501>very <00:16:57.628>close <00:16:57.755>watch <00:16:57.883>for <00:16:58.010>eye <00:16:58.137>over <00:16:58.265>it,

433
00:16:59.315 --> 00:17:02.205
<00:16:59.315>it's <00:16:59.442>just <00:16:59.569>gonna <00:16:59.696>create <00:16:59.824>a <00:16:59.951>lot <00:17:00.078>more <00:17:00.205>than <00:17:00.333>you <00:17:00.460>want <00:17:00.587>it <00:17:00.715>to,

434
00:17:02.515 --> 00:17:04.085
<00:17:02.515>even <00:17:02.795>if <00:17:03.074>it's <00:17:03.355>something <00:17:03.635>quite <00:17:03.915>simple.

435
00:17:04.305 --> 00:17:07.285
<00:17:04.305>Um, <00:17:04.432>so <00:17:04.559>I <00:17:04.686>think <00:17:04.814>having <00:17:04.941>that <00:17:05.068>person <00:17:05.195>there <00:17:05.323>to, <00:17:05.450>to, <00:17:05.577>you <00:17:05.705>know,

436
00:17:07.285 --> 00:17:08.605
<00:17:07.285>and <00:17:07.582>the <00:17:07.879>human <00:17:08.175>beings <00:17:08.473>knowing

437
00:17:08.605 --> 00:17:10.365
<00:17:08.605>what <00:17:08.760>they're <00:17:08.916>looking <00:17:09.071>at <00:17:09.227>is <00:17:09.382>obviously <00:17:09.538>the <00:17:09.693>key <00:17:09.849>to <00:17:10.005>it.

438
00:17:10.425 --> 00:17:14.245
<00:17:10.425>But, <00:17:10.552>um, <00:17:10.679>definitely, <00:17:10.806>uh, <00:17:10.934>being <00:17:11.061>able <00:17:11.188>to <00:17:11.315>step <00:17:11.443>in <00:17:11.570>and <00:17:11.697>stop <00:17:11.825>it,

439
00:17:14.245 --> 00:17:16.445
<00:17:14.244>but <00:17:14.478>also <00:17:14.711>knowing <00:17:14.944>actually <00:17:15.178>that, <00:17:15.411>uh, <00:17:15.645>when,

440
00:17:16.445 --> 00:17:18.445
<00:17:16.444>when <00:17:16.724>you <00:17:17.004>say <00:17:17.284>change <00:17:17.564>direction, <00:17:17.845>knowing

441
00:17:18.445 --> 00:17:20.605
<00:17:18.444>that <00:17:18.619>it's <00:17:18.794>done <00:17:18.970>a <00:17:19.145>cleanup <00:17:19.319>would <00:17:19.494>be <00:17:19.669>really <00:17:19.845>useful.

442
00:17:21.165 --> 00:17:22.685
<00:17:21.165>'cause <00:17:21.507>there's <00:17:21.848>so <00:17:22.191>much <00:17:22.532>extra

443
00:17:22.685 --> 00:17:23.885
<00:17:22.685>stuff <00:17:22.865>left <00:17:23.045>in <00:17:23.224>there <00:17:23.405>at <00:17:23.585>the <00:17:23.764>moment.

444
00:17:24.185 --> 00:17:25.845
<00:17:24.185>But <00:17:24.651>yeah, <00:17:25.118>it's <00:17:25.585>frustrating.

445
00:17:26.275 --> 00:17:28.925
<00:17:26.275>Have <00:17:26.415>you <00:17:26.555>also <00:17:26.695>noticed, <00:17:26.835>so <00:17:26.975>I <00:17:27.115>noticed <00:17:27.255>when <00:17:27.395>I <00:17:27.535>use <00:17:27.675>different

446
00:17:28.925 --> 00:17:31.005
<00:17:28.925>kind <00:17:29.080>of <00:17:29.236>models, <00:17:29.391>so <00:17:29.547>there <00:17:29.702>are <00:17:29.858>obviously <00:17:30.013>models <00:17:30.169>out <00:17:30.325>there

447
00:17:31.005 --> 00:17:32.925
<00:17:31.005>that <00:17:31.205>are, <00:17:31.405>are <00:17:31.605>a <00:17:31.805>lot <00:17:32.005>more <00:17:32.205>attractive, <00:17:32.405>right?

448
00:17:32.925 --> 00:17:34.565
<00:17:32.925>You <00:17:33.100>notice <00:17:33.274>already <00:17:33.450>when <00:17:33.625>you <00:17:33.800>ask <00:17:33.975>them <00:17:34.149>a <00:17:34.325>question

449
00:17:35.025 --> 00:17:37.925
<00:17:35.025>and <00:17:35.225>the <00:17:35.425>answers <00:17:35.625>basically <00:17:35.825>the <00:17:36.025>triple <00:17:36.225>tie, <00:17:36.425>uh,

450
00:17:37.925 --> 00:17:40.405
<00:17:37.925>triple <00:17:38.080>the <00:17:38.236>thing <00:17:38.391>that <00:17:38.547>you <00:17:38.702>actually <00:17:38.858>wanted <00:17:39.013>to <00:17:39.169>know, <00:17:39.325>right?

451
00:17:40.785 --> 00:17:42.325
<00:17:40.785>And <00:17:40.983>when <00:17:41.181>you <00:17:41.379>use <00:17:41.577>these <00:17:41.775>models <00:17:41.973>for <00:17:42.171>coding,

452
00:17:42.335 --> 00:17:44.005
<00:17:42.335>these <00:17:42.685>are <00:17:43.035>also <00:17:43.385>super <00:17:43.735>talkative.

453
00:17:44.005 --> 00:17:46.845
<00:17:44.005>They <00:17:44.205>write <00:17:44.405>comments <00:17:44.605>over <00:17:44.805>a <00:17:45.005>clean <00:17:45.205>code <00:17:45.405>function

454
00:17:47.035 --> 00:17:49.085
<00:17:47.035>that <00:17:47.268>you <00:17:47.501>wouldn't <00:17:47.735>have <00:17:47.968>needed, <00:17:48.201>for <00:17:48.435>example.

455
00:17:49.465 --> 00:17:51.365
<00:17:49.465>But <00:17:49.639>when <00:17:49.814>you're <00:17:49.990>going <00:17:50.165>to <00:17:50.340>down, <00:17:50.514>I <00:17:50.689>noticed <00:17:50.865>it

456
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<00:17:51.365>with <00:17:51.472>the <00:17:51.580>O <00:17:51.688>one <00:17:51.795>mini <00:17:51.903>back <00:17:52.011>then, <00:17:52.118>or <00:17:52.226>the <00:17:52.334>O <00:17:52.441>three <00:17:52.549>mini <00:17:52.657>back <00:17:52.765>then

457
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<00:17:53.965>because <00:17:54.165>it's <00:17:54.365>just <00:17:54.564>kind <00:17:54.764>of <00:17:54.965>a <00:17:55.165>smaller <00:17:55.365>model.

458
00:17:55.945 --> 00:17:58.125
<00:17:55.945>And <00:17:56.085>also <00:17:56.225>the <00:17:56.365>token <00:17:56.504>limit <00:17:56.645>is <00:17:56.784>also <00:17:56.925>a <00:17:57.064>little <00:17:57.205>bit <00:17:57.345>smaller

459
00:17:58.435 --> 00:18:01.445
<00:17:58.435>that <00:17:58.610>it <00:17:58.784>tends <00:17:58.960>to <00:17:59.135>be, <00:17:59.310>it's <00:17:59.485>not <00:17:59.659>deterministic, <00:17:59.835>right?

460
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<00:18:01.445>But <00:18:01.600>it <00:18:01.756>tends <00:18:01.911>to <00:18:02.067>be <00:18:02.222>a <00:18:02.378>little <00:18:02.533>bit <00:18:02.689>more <00:18:02.845>precise.

461
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<00:18:04.385>And <00:18:04.501>it's <00:18:04.618>also <00:18:04.735>was <00:18:04.851>not <00:18:04.968>going <00:18:05.085>off <00:18:05.201>rails <00:18:05.318>as <00:18:05.435>much <00:18:05.551>as <00:18:05.668>the <00:18:05.785>GPT-4.

462
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<00:18:08.245>Oh <00:18:08.478>for <00:18:08.711>example, <00:18:08.945>from <00:18:09.178>my <00:18:09.411>personal <00:18:09.645>experience,

463
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<00:18:11.075>When <00:18:11.250>there <00:18:11.425>are <00:18:11.600>specialized <00:18:11.775>code, <00:18:11.950>uh, <00:18:12.125>uh, <00:18:12.300>uh, <00:18:12.475>uh,

464
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<00:18:13.445>models <00:18:13.645>out <00:18:13.845>there <00:18:14.044>that <00:18:14.245>basically <00:18:14.445>you, <00:18:14.645>you <00:18:14.845>should,

465
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<00:18:16.185>you <00:18:16.447>should <00:18:16.710>use <00:18:16.973>for <00:18:17.236>that <00:18:17.499>factor.

466
00:18:17.885 --> 00:18:20.085
<00:18:17.885>I <00:18:18.025>mean <00:18:18.165>that's <00:18:18.305>why, <00:18:18.445>that's <00:18:18.585>why <00:18:18.725>it <00:18:18.865>scares <00:18:19.004>the <00:18:19.145>hell <00:18:19.285>out

467
00:18:20.085 --> 00:18:21.645
<00:18:20.085>of <00:18:20.260>me <00:18:20.435>when <00:18:20.610>people <00:18:20.785>just <00:18:20.960>go <00:18:21.135>to <00:18:21.310>chat <00:18:21.485>GPT

468
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<00:18:21.645>and <00:18:21.888>ask <00:18:22.130>a <00:18:22.374>code <00:18:22.617>questions.

469
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<00:18:22.965>'cause <00:18:23.105>it <00:18:23.245>it's <00:18:23.385>the <00:18:23.524>internet <00:18:23.665>in <00:18:23.804>a <00:18:23.945>nutshell <00:18:24.084>from <00:18:24.225>like <00:18:24.365>five

470
00:18:25.565 --> 00:18:28.005
<00:18:25.565>years <00:18:25.845>ago <00:18:26.125>rather <00:18:26.405>than <00:18:26.685>like <00:18:26.965>optimized

471
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<00:18:28.105>for <00:18:28.519>proper <00:18:28.933>code <00:18:29.347>answers.

472
00:18:30.025 --> 00:18:31.485
<00:18:30.025>Uh, <00:18:30.287>you <00:18:30.550>just <00:18:30.813>mentioned <00:18:31.076>clean <00:18:31.339>code

473
00:18:31.485 --> 00:18:32.725
<00:18:31.485>and <00:18:31.670>I <00:18:31.857>was <00:18:32.043>thinking <00:18:32.228>about <00:18:32.415>that <00:18:32.601>earlier.

474
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<00:18:33.035>It's <00:18:33.235>actually, <00:18:33.435>it's <00:18:33.635>very <00:18:33.835>interesting <00:18:34.035>that <00:18:34.235>the, <00:18:34.435>the,

475
00:18:35.765 --> 00:18:39.525
<00:18:35.765>the <00:18:35.965>generated <00:18:36.165>code <00:18:36.365>should <00:18:36.565>always <00:18:36.765>be <00:18:36.965>like <00:18:37.165>very,

476
00:18:39.525 --> 00:18:43.325
<00:18:39.525>very <00:18:39.700>optimized <00:18:39.875>in <00:18:40.050>a <00:18:40.225>clean <00:18:40.400>code, <00:18:40.575>uh, <00:18:40.750>uh, <00:18:40.925>idea.

477
00:18:43.325 --> 00:18:46.805
<00:18:43.325>Because <00:18:43.500>when <00:18:43.675>you <00:18:43.850>actually, <00:18:44.025>when <00:18:44.200>you <00:18:44.375>actually <00:18:44.550>have <00:18:44.725>things

478
00:18:46.805 --> 00:18:48.125
<00:18:46.805>where <00:18:47.042>you <00:18:47.280>don't <00:18:47.517>know <00:18:47.755>the <00:18:47.993>outcome,

479
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<00:18:48.125>where <00:18:48.405>you're <00:18:48.685>basically <00:18:48.965>just <00:18:49.245>vibing <00:18:49.525>away,

480
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<00:18:50.275>then <00:18:50.638>like <00:18:51.001>any <00:18:51.364>function

481
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<00:18:51.485>that <00:18:51.685>is <00:18:51.885>reliant <00:18:52.084>on <00:18:52.284>another <00:18:52.485>is <00:18:52.685>becoming <00:18:52.885>a

482
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<00:18:53.735>dependency, <00:18:54.234>isn't <00:18:54.734>it?

483
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<00:18:55.195>Yeah. <00:18:55.428>And <00:18:55.661>I <00:18:55.895>mean, <00:18:56.128>clean <00:18:56.361>code <00:18:56.595>itself

484
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<00:18:56.805>becomes <00:18:57.057>kind <00:18:57.309>of <00:18:57.561>a <00:18:57.812>religion.

485
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<00:18:58.035>It's <00:18:58.190>like <00:18:58.346>I'm, <00:18:58.501>I'm, <00:18:58.657>I'm <00:18:58.812>not <00:18:58.968>too <00:18:59.123>keen <00:18:59.279>on <00:18:59.435>it

486
00:19:00.085 --> 00:19:02.805
<00:19:00.085>and <00:19:00.225>I, <00:19:00.365>I <00:19:00.505>I, <00:19:00.645>I <00:19:00.785>saw <00:19:00.925>a <00:19:01.065>few <00:19:01.205>Uncle <00:19:01.345>Bob <00:19:01.485>talks

487
00:19:02.805 --> 00:19:06.125
<00:19:02.805>and <00:19:03.005>it <00:19:03.205>just <00:19:03.405>scared <00:19:03.605>me <00:19:03.805>how, <00:19:04.005>how <00:19:04.205>follower,

488
00:19:06.125 --> 00:19:08.965
<00:19:06.125>how <00:19:06.300>his <00:19:06.475>followers <00:19:06.650>were <00:19:06.825>like <00:19:07.000>super <00:19:07.175>excited <00:19:07.350>about <00:19:07.525>everything

489
00:19:08.985 --> 00:19:10.965
<00:19:08.985>he <00:19:09.159>said <00:19:09.334>and <00:19:09.510>like <00:19:09.685>how <00:19:09.860>everything <00:19:10.034>has <00:19:10.209>to <00:19:10.385>be

490
00:19:10.965 --> 00:19:12.205
<00:19:10.965>that <00:19:11.244>one <00:19:11.523>way <00:19:11.802>or <00:19:12.081>another.

491
00:19:12.965 --> 00:19:15.405
<00:19:12.965>I <00:19:13.120>always <00:19:13.276>found <00:19:13.431>code <00:19:13.587>to <00:19:13.742>be <00:19:13.898>more <00:19:14.053>malleable <00:19:14.209>than <00:19:14.365>that.

492
00:19:15.625 --> 00:19:19.165
<00:19:15.625>And, <00:19:15.780>but <00:19:15.936>at <00:19:16.091>the <00:19:16.247>same <00:19:16.402>time <00:19:16.558>it's <00:19:16.713>uh, <00:19:16.869>it's <00:19:17.025>it,

493
00:19:19.165 --> 00:19:21.445
<00:19:19.165>when <00:19:19.340>it <00:19:19.514>gets <00:19:19.690>generated, <00:19:19.865>it <00:19:20.040>would <00:19:20.215>be <00:19:20.389>interesting <00:19:20.565>to,

494
00:19:22.065 --> 00:19:24.965
<00:19:22.065>to <00:19:22.181>be <00:19:22.298>able <00:19:22.415>to <00:19:22.531>say <00:19:22.648>like, <00:19:22.765>follow <00:19:22.881>the <00:19:22.998>rules <00:19:23.115>of <00:19:23.231>this <00:19:23.348>and <00:19:23.465>that.

495
00:19:25.025 --> 00:19:27.245
<00:19:25.025>And <00:19:25.180>I <00:19:25.336>guess <00:19:25.491>that's <00:19:25.647>where <00:19:25.802>clever <00:19:25.958>prompting <00:19:26.113>comes <00:19:26.269>in, <00:19:26.425>right?

496
00:19:27.675 --> 00:19:29.245
<00:19:27.675>Yeah. <00:19:27.908>And <00:19:28.141>where <00:19:28.375>you <00:19:28.608>can <00:19:28.841>also <00:19:29.075>influence

497
00:19:29.245 --> 00:19:30.365
<00:19:29.245>it <00:19:29.446>with <00:19:29.648>like <00:19:29.849>a <00:19:30.051>system <00:19:30.253>prompt.

498
00:19:30.425 --> 00:19:33.205
<00:19:30.425>For <00:19:30.600>example, <00:19:30.774>in <00:19:30.950>GitHub <00:19:31.125>copilot <00:19:31.300>you <00:19:31.475>have <00:19:31.649>these <00:19:31.825>copilot

499
00:19:33.205 --> 00:19:34.645
<00:19:33.205>instructions <00:19:33.637>files <00:19:34.069>now, <00:19:34.501>right?

500
00:19:34.645 --> 00:19:36.605
<00:19:34.645>Where <00:19:34.878>you <00:19:35.111>can <00:19:35.345>basically <00:19:35.578>tell <00:19:35.811>it, <00:19:36.045>Hey,

501
00:19:36.605 --> 00:19:39.925
<00:19:36.605>can <00:19:36.780>you <00:19:36.955>follow <00:19:37.130>like <00:19:37.305>the <00:19:37.480>search <00:19:37.655>Java <00:19:37.830>JavaScript <00:19:38.005>standard?

502
00:19:39.985 --> 00:19:42.485
<00:19:39.985>And <00:19:40.140>it <00:19:40.296>then <00:19:40.451>tries <00:19:40.607>to <00:19:40.762>follow <00:19:40.918>out <00:19:41.073>of <00:19:41.229>the <00:19:41.385>information

503
00:19:42.485 --> 00:19:45.445
<00:19:42.485>that <00:19:42.640>obviously <00:19:42.796>has <00:19:42.951>been <00:19:43.107>trained <00:19:43.262>into <00:19:43.418>the <00:19:43.573>model <00:19:43.729>back <00:19:43.885>then

504
00:19:45.735 --> 00:19:47.445
<00:19:45.735>tries <00:19:46.084>to <00:19:46.435>follow <00:19:46.784>these <00:19:47.135>instructions.

505
00:19:47.505 --> 00:19:49.405
<00:19:47.505>But <00:19:47.855>with <00:19:48.205>these <00:19:48.555>instructions <00:19:48.905>fights

506
00:19:49.405 --> 00:19:52.885
<00:19:49.405>where <00:19:49.545>we <00:19:49.685>just <00:19:49.825>have <00:19:49.965>now <00:19:50.105>like <00:19:50.245>a <00:19:50.385>larger <00:19:50.524>token <00:19:50.665>window <00:19:50.805>also

507
00:19:52.885 --> 00:19:54.165
<00:19:52.885>for <00:19:53.269>influencing <00:19:53.653>system <00:19:54.037>prompts,

508
00:19:54.165 --> 00:19:56.285
<00:19:54.165>we <00:19:54.340>could <00:19:54.514>also <00:19:54.690>put <00:19:54.865>in <00:19:55.040>basically <00:19:55.215>all <00:19:55.389>the <00:19:55.565>information

509
00:19:56.285 --> 00:19:59.205
<00:19:56.285>who <00:19:56.518>are <00:19:56.751>important <00:19:56.985>for <00:19:57.218>our <00:19:57.451>engineering <00:19:57.685>culture

510
00:19:59.305 --> 00:20:00.805
<00:19:59.305>or <00:19:59.642>for <00:19:59.980>our <00:20:00.317>engineering <00:20:00.655>guidelines.

511
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<00:20:00.805>Maybe <00:20:01.271>also <00:20:01.738>architecture <00:20:02.205>guidelines

512
00:20:02.795 --> 00:20:03.965
<00:20:02.795>that <00:20:03.058>need <00:20:03.321>to <00:20:03.584>be <00:20:03.848>considered.

513
00:20:03.965 --> 00:20:07.925
<00:20:03.965>But <00:20:04.165>obviously <00:20:04.365>this <00:20:04.564>is <00:20:04.764>also <00:20:04.965>additional, <00:20:05.165>um, <00:20:05.365>overhead

514
00:20:07.955 --> 00:20:11.005
<00:20:07.955>that <00:20:08.095>we <00:20:08.235>need <00:20:08.375>to <00:20:08.514>put <00:20:08.655>in <00:20:08.794>before <00:20:08.935>we <00:20:09.074>even <00:20:09.215>start <00:20:09.355>coding.

515
00:20:11.225 --> 00:20:12.965
<00:20:11.225>So <00:20:11.425>what <00:20:11.625>my <00:20:11.824>feeling <00:20:12.024>is <00:20:12.225>that <00:20:12.425>we <00:20:12.625>need

516
00:20:12.965 --> 00:20:15.405
<00:20:12.965>to <00:20:13.245>spend <00:20:13.524>talking <00:20:13.804>about <00:20:14.084>this <00:20:14.365>article

517
00:20:15.405 --> 00:20:18.085
<00:20:15.405>that <00:20:15.545>you <00:20:15.685>have <00:20:15.825>opened <00:20:15.965>right <00:20:16.105>to <00:20:16.245>text, <00:20:16.385>kind <00:20:16.524>of, <00:20:16.665>we <00:20:16.805>need

518
00:20:18.085 --> 00:20:20.525
<00:20:18.085>to <00:20:18.318>invent <00:20:18.551>more <00:20:18.785>time <00:20:19.018>to <00:20:19.251>actually <00:20:19.485>prepare

519
00:20:20.585 --> 00:20:22.805
<00:20:20.585>for <00:20:20.818>coding <00:20:21.051>than <00:20:21.285>we <00:20:21.518>maybe <00:20:21.751>did <00:20:21.985>before,

520
00:20:22.945 --> 00:20:25.885
<00:20:22.945>before <00:20:23.100>we <00:20:23.256>opened <00:20:23.411>an <00:20:23.567>issue <00:20:23.722>or <00:20:23.878>like <00:20:24.033>a <00:20:24.189>feature <00:20:24.345>ticket.

521
00:20:26.225 --> 00:20:28.965
<00:20:26.225>We <00:20:26.365>read <00:20:26.504>it, <00:20:26.645>we <00:20:26.784>tried <00:20:26.925>to <00:20:27.064>understand <00:20:27.205>it, <00:20:27.344>maybe <00:20:27.485>circling <00:20:27.625>back

522
00:20:28.965 --> 00:20:30.885
<00:20:28.965>with <00:20:29.198>our <00:20:29.431>product <00:20:29.665>manager <00:20:29.898>to <00:20:30.131>get <00:20:30.365>clarity

523
00:20:30.985 --> 00:20:32.045
<00:20:30.985>and <00:20:31.223>then <00:20:31.462>we <00:20:31.700>started <00:20:31.939>coding.

524
00:20:32.375 --> 00:20:34.165
<00:20:32.375>Today <00:20:32.608>we <00:20:32.841>are <00:20:33.075>reading <00:20:33.308>the <00:20:33.541>issue <00:20:33.775>ticket.

525
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<00:20:34.585>We <00:20:34.850>need <00:20:35.116>to <00:20:35.381>understand <00:20:35.647>it

526
00:20:35.765 --> 00:20:38.325
<00:20:35.765>and <00:20:35.892>then <00:20:36.019>we <00:20:36.146>need <00:20:36.274>to <00:20:36.401>bring <00:20:36.528>it <00:20:36.655>into <00:20:36.783>like <00:20:36.910>a <00:20:37.037>format <00:20:37.165>where,

527
00:20:38.455 --> 00:20:40.325
<00:20:38.455>where <00:20:38.735>AI <00:20:39.014>is <00:20:39.294>maybe <00:20:39.574>also <00:20:39.855>able

528
00:20:40.325 --> 00:20:42.765
<00:20:40.325>to <00:20:40.465>understand <00:20:40.605>it <00:20:40.745>if <00:20:40.885>we <00:20:41.025>do <00:20:41.165>not <00:20:41.305>want <00:20:41.445>to <00:20:41.585>start <00:20:41.725>like

529
00:20:43.745 --> 00:20:45.325
<00:20:43.745>on <00:20:43.978>the <00:20:44.211>green <00:20:44.445>grass, <00:20:44.678>but <00:20:44.911>also <00:20:45.145>want

530
00:20:45.425 --> 00:20:48.045
<00:20:45.425>to <00:20:45.600>AI <00:20:45.774>also <00:20:45.950>do <00:20:46.125>like <00:20:46.300>the <00:20:46.475>first <00:20:46.649>iteration <00:20:46.825>of

531
00:20:48.045 --> 00:20:49.325
<00:20:48.045>what <00:20:48.237>we <00:20:48.429>want <00:20:48.621>to <00:20:48.813>try <00:20:49.005>to <00:20:49.197>do.

532
00:20:49.465 --> 00:20:53.125
<00:20:49.465>So <00:20:49.639>it <00:20:49.814>basically <00:20:49.990>lengthens <00:20:50.165>up <00:20:50.340>the, <00:20:50.514>the <00:20:50.689>whole <00:20:50.865>phase

533
00:20:53.125 --> 00:20:55.245
<00:20:53.125>where <00:20:53.358>we <00:20:53.591>start <00:20:53.825>to <00:20:54.058>begin <00:20:54.291>coding, <00:20:54.525>right?

534
00:20:56.585 --> 00:20:58.565
<00:20:56.585>We <00:20:56.760>chatted <00:20:56.935>a <00:20:57.110>bit <00:20:57.285>before <00:20:57.460>that, <00:20:57.635>before <00:20:57.810>the <00:20:57.985>show.

535
00:20:58.665 --> 00:21:01.165
<00:20:58.665>It <00:20:58.805>seems <00:20:58.945>like <00:20:59.085>the <00:20:59.225>whole, <00:20:59.365>when, <00:20:59.504>when <00:20:59.645>people <00:20:59.784>get <00:20:59.925>super <00:21:00.065>excited

536
00:21:01.185 --> 00:21:03.565
<00:21:01.185>how <00:21:01.360>many <00:21:01.534>lines <00:21:01.710>of <00:21:01.885>code <00:21:02.060>they <00:21:02.235>generated <00:21:02.409>with <00:21:02.585>ai,

537
00:21:04.185 --> 00:21:05.925
<00:21:04.185>it <00:21:04.385>actually <00:21:04.585>scares <00:21:04.784>the <00:21:04.985>hell <00:21:05.185>out <00:21:05.385>of <00:21:05.585>me

538
00:21:05.925 --> 00:21:09.885
<00:21:05.925>because, <00:21:06.065>um, <00:21:06.205>the <00:21:06.345>amount <00:21:06.485>of <00:21:06.625>code <00:21:06.764>is <00:21:06.905>not <00:21:07.044>really <00:21:07.185>any <00:21:07.325>measure

539
00:21:09.985 --> 00:21:12.125
<00:21:09.985>of <00:21:10.334>quality <00:21:10.685>or <00:21:11.034>actually <00:21:11.385>sensibility.

540
00:21:12.745 --> 00:21:14.445
<00:21:12.745>The <00:21:12.919>best <00:21:13.094>code <00:21:13.270>is <00:21:13.445>the <00:21:13.620>one <00:21:13.794>you <00:21:13.969>didn't <00:21:14.145>write

541
00:21:14.445 --> 00:21:16.685
<00:21:14.445>because <00:21:14.725>you <00:21:15.004>did <00:21:15.284>have <00:21:15.564>proper <00:21:15.845>specs

542
00:21:16.685 --> 00:21:17.925
<00:21:16.685>or <00:21:16.964>you <00:21:17.243>actually <00:21:17.522>thought <00:21:17.801>through

543
00:21:17.945 --> 00:21:19.525
<00:21:17.945>before <00:21:18.178>you <00:21:18.411>actually <00:21:18.645>put <00:21:18.878>that <00:21:19.111>feature <00:21:19.345>in

544
00:21:19.525 --> 00:21:20.565
<00:21:19.525>that <00:21:19.681>you <00:21:19.837>have <00:21:19.993>to <00:21:20.149>pull <00:21:20.305>out <00:21:20.461>again.

545
00:21:21.105 --> 00:21:24.205
<00:21:21.105>And <00:21:21.280>it, <00:21:21.455>uh, <00:21:21.630>the <00:21:21.805>whole <00:21:21.980>like, <00:21:22.155>it <00:21:22.330>seems <00:21:22.505>wasteful

546
00:21:24.265 --> 00:21:26.525
<00:21:24.265>to <00:21:24.420>actually <00:21:24.576>get <00:21:24.731>AI <00:21:24.887>to <00:21:25.042>write <00:21:25.198>a <00:21:25.353>lot <00:21:25.509>of <00:21:25.665>stuff

547
00:21:26.525 --> 00:21:29.765
<00:21:26.525>that <00:21:26.665>it <00:21:26.805>then <00:21:26.945>needs <00:21:27.085>to <00:21:27.225>delete <00:21:27.365>in <00:21:27.505>an <00:21:27.645>optimization <00:21:27.785>step <00:21:27.925>again.

548
00:21:30.505 --> 00:21:33.605
<00:21:30.505>But, <00:21:30.645>uh, <00:21:30.785>uh, <00:21:30.925>I <00:21:31.065>guess <00:21:31.205>it's <00:21:31.345>better <00:21:31.485>than <00:21:31.625>asking <00:21:31.765>your <00:21:31.905>engineers

549
00:21:33.605 --> 00:21:35.725
<00:21:33.605>to <00:21:33.760>do <00:21:33.916>it <00:21:34.071>and <00:21:34.227>then <00:21:34.382>having <00:21:34.538>to <00:21:34.693>delete <00:21:34.849>it <00:21:35.005>again.

550
00:21:35.745 --> 00:21:37.525
<00:21:35.745>But <00:21:35.978>it <00:21:36.211>still <00:21:36.445>feels <00:21:36.678>like <00:21:36.911>we <00:21:37.145>are,

551
00:21:37.735 --> 00:21:40.285
<00:21:37.735>we're <00:21:37.935>taking <00:21:38.135>the <00:21:38.334>best <00:21:38.534>approaches <00:21:38.735>of <00:21:38.935>no, <00:21:39.135>no,

552
00:21:40.285 --> 00:21:41.885
<00:21:40.285>the <00:21:40.635>worst <00:21:40.985>approaches <00:21:41.335>of <00:21:41.685>development

553
00:21:42.025 --> 00:21:43.805
<00:21:42.025>and <00:21:42.305>telling <00:21:42.585>AI <00:21:42.865>to <00:21:43.145>follow <00:21:43.425>them.

554
00:21:44.235 --> 00:21:46.165
<00:21:44.235>Yeah. <00:21:44.468>Like <00:21:44.701>you <00:21:44.935>wouldn't <00:21:45.168>tell <00:21:45.401>a <00:21:45.635>developer

555
00:21:46.185 --> 00:21:48.285
<00:21:46.185>to <00:21:46.418>just <00:21:46.651>start <00:21:46.885>coding <00:21:47.118>without <00:21:47.351>thinking <00:21:47.585>about

556
00:21:48.285 --> 00:21:49.725
<00:21:48.285>the <00:21:48.609>solution <00:21:48.933>first, <00:21:49.257>right? <00:21:49.581>Hmm.

557
00:21:49.995 --> 00:21:52.485
<00:21:49.995>Yeah. <00:21:50.228>Also <00:21:50.461>back <00:21:50.695>in <00:21:50.928>the <00:21:51.161>days <00:21:51.395>when

558
00:21:53.125 --> 00:21:54.445
<00:21:53.125>customers <00:21:53.422>were <00:21:53.719>like <00:21:54.015>weirdly <00:21:54.312>obsessed

559
00:21:54.445 --> 00:21:55.845
<00:21:54.445>that <00:21:54.655>we <00:21:54.865>get <00:21:55.075>like <00:21:55.285>a <00:21:55.495>hundred <00:21:55.705>percent

560
00:21:55.845 --> 00:21:57.365
<00:21:55.845>test <00:21:56.187>coverage <00:21:56.529>of <00:21:56.871>code, <00:21:57.213>right?

561
00:21:57.765 --> 00:21:59.965
<00:21:57.765>A <00:21:57.998>hundred <00:21:58.231>percent <00:21:58.465>test <00:21:58.698>coverage, <00:21:58.931>never <00:21:59.165>guaranteed

562
00:21:59.965 --> 00:22:02.925
<00:21:59.965>that <00:22:00.139>your <00:22:00.314>code <00:22:00.490>was <00:22:00.665>basically <00:22:00.840>bug <00:22:01.014>free <00:22:01.189>that <00:22:01.365>they,

563
00:22:03.105 --> 00:22:04.445
<00:22:03.105>but <00:22:03.406>they <00:22:03.708>strongly <00:22:04.009>believed <00:22:04.311>that

564
00:22:04.465 --> 00:22:07.005
<00:22:04.465>and <00:22:04.620>forced <00:22:04.776>developers <00:22:04.931>to <00:22:05.087>spend <00:22:05.242>actually <00:22:05.398>a <00:22:05.553>lot <00:22:05.709>of <00:22:05.865>time

565
00:22:07.105 --> 00:22:09.845
<00:22:07.105>to <00:22:07.260>achieve <00:22:07.416>this <00:22:07.571>a <00:22:07.727>hundred <00:22:07.882>percent <00:22:08.038>of <00:22:08.193>test <00:22:08.349>coverage <00:22:08.505>instead

566
00:22:09.845 --> 00:22:12.845
<00:22:09.845>of <00:22:10.020>writing <00:22:10.195>smart <00:22:10.370>tests <00:22:10.545>to <00:22:10.720>actually <00:22:10.895>test <00:22:11.070>edge <00:22:11.245>cases

567
00:22:13.265 --> 00:22:14.965
<00:22:13.265>who <00:22:13.498>are <00:22:13.731>like <00:22:13.965>the <00:22:14.198>most <00:22:14.431>important <00:22:14.665>ones.

568
00:22:15.185 --> 00:22:16.925
<00:22:15.185>And <00:22:15.360>I <00:22:15.534>think <00:22:15.710>this <00:22:15.885>is <00:22:16.060>like <00:22:16.235>the <00:22:16.409>same <00:22:16.585>now

569
00:22:16.925 --> 00:22:20.165
<00:22:16.925>with <00:22:17.100>like <00:22:17.274>this <00:22:17.450>immense <00:22:17.625>amount <00:22:17.800>of <00:22:17.975>lines <00:22:18.149>of <00:22:18.325>code

570
00:22:20.165 --> 00:22:21.165
<00:22:20.165>that <00:22:20.465>we <00:22:20.764>are <00:22:21.065>producing.

571
00:22:21.395 --> 00:22:23.765
<00:22:21.395>Someone <00:22:21.675>needs <00:22:21.955>to <00:22:22.235>be <00:22:22.514>aware <00:22:22.795>what

572
00:22:24.605 --> 00:22:25.885
<00:22:24.605>actually <00:22:24.835>is <00:22:25.065>written <00:22:25.296>in <00:22:25.526>that <00:22:25.757>code.

573
00:22:25.945 --> 00:22:28.685
<00:22:25.945>It <00:22:26.072>needs <00:22:26.199>to <00:22:26.326>be <00:22:26.454>quality <00:22:26.581>code, <00:22:26.708>it <00:22:26.835>needs <00:22:26.963>still <00:22:27.090>to <00:22:27.217>be <00:22:27.345>readable

574
00:22:28.685 --> 00:22:30.445
<00:22:28.685>by <00:22:28.885>humans <00:22:29.085>because <00:22:29.284>the <00:22:29.485>humans <00:22:29.685>are <00:22:29.885>the <00:22:30.085>one

575
00:22:30.445 --> 00:22:31.565
<00:22:30.445>that <00:22:30.697>need <00:22:30.949>to <00:22:31.201>review <00:22:31.453>it.

576
00:22:32.105 --> 00:22:33.685
<00:22:32.105>And <00:22:32.305>we <00:22:32.505>need, <00:22:32.705>uh, <00:22:32.905>we <00:22:33.105>also <00:22:33.305>had <00:22:33.505>this

577
00:22:33.685 --> 00:22:35.605
<00:22:33.685>before <00:22:33.885>we <00:22:34.085>started <00:22:34.284>a <00:22:34.485>live <00:22:34.685>right, <00:22:34.885>we <00:22:35.085>need

578
00:22:35.605 --> 00:22:37.525
<00:22:35.605>to <00:22:36.071>apply <00:22:36.538>even <00:22:37.005>stricter

579
00:22:38.285 --> 00:22:40.565
<00:22:38.285>security <00:22:38.565>measurements <00:22:38.845>on <00:22:39.125>AI <00:22:39.405>generated <00:22:39.685>code

580
00:22:40.565 --> 00:22:43.365
<00:22:40.565>because <00:22:40.740>we <00:22:40.915>need <00:22:41.090>to <00:22:41.265>keep <00:22:41.440>it <00:22:41.615>in <00:22:41.790>control <00:22:41.965>somehow,

581
00:22:44.575 --> 00:22:46.125
<00:22:44.575>Which <00:22:44.854>brings <00:22:45.133>us <00:22:45.412>to <00:22:45.691>this <00:22:45.970>one.

582
00:22:46.225 --> 00:22:50.445
<00:22:46.225>Uh, <00:22:46.380>and <00:22:46.536>and <00:22:46.691>that <00:22:46.847>was <00:22:47.002>interesting <00:22:47.158>that <00:22:47.313>basically <00:22:47.469>Sketch, <00:22:47.625>uh,

583
00:22:50.585 --> 00:22:52.725
<00:22:50.585>had <00:22:50.740>an <00:22:50.896>out <00:22:51.051>date, <00:22:51.207>uh, <00:22:51.362>an <00:22:51.518>out <00:22:51.673>had <00:22:51.829>an <00:22:51.985>outage

584
00:22:52.825 --> 00:22:56.885
<00:22:52.825>and <00:22:52.980>it <00:22:53.136>was <00:22:53.291>basically <00:22:53.447>because <00:22:53.602>LLM <00:22:53.758>uh, <00:22:53.913>code <00:22:54.069>was <00:22:54.225>generated.

585
00:22:57.145 --> 00:22:59.765
<00:22:57.145>And <00:22:57.300>that <00:22:57.456>basically, <00:22:57.611>I <00:22:57.767>love <00:22:57.922>that <00:22:58.078>they <00:22:58.233>made <00:22:58.389>it <00:22:58.545>public

586
00:22:59.865 --> 00:23:02.485
<00:22:59.865>and <00:23:00.020>they <00:23:00.176>explained <00:23:00.331>all <00:23:00.487>the <00:23:00.642>things <00:23:00.798>what <00:23:00.953>went <00:23:01.109>wrong <00:23:01.265>here

587
00:23:02.785 --> 00:23:04.245
<00:23:02.785>and <00:23:03.047>what <00:23:03.310>the <00:23:03.573>root <00:23:03.836>causes <00:23:04.099>were,

588
00:23:04.705 --> 00:23:07.165
<00:23:04.705>but <00:23:04.905>it's, <00:23:05.105>it <00:23:05.304>still <00:23:05.504>scares <00:23:05.705>me <00:23:05.905>that <00:23:06.105>basically

589
00:23:07.945 --> 00:23:10.405
<00:23:07.945>we <00:23:08.225>generate <00:23:08.504>code <00:23:08.784>without <00:23:09.064>knowing <00:23:09.345>it.

590
00:23:10.405 --> 00:23:12.765
<00:23:10.405>That's <00:23:10.580>a <00:23:10.754>bit <00:23:10.930>like <00:23:11.105>using <00:23:11.280>packages <00:23:11.455>without <00:23:11.629>vetting <00:23:11.805>them.

591
00:23:13.785 --> 00:23:15.445
<00:23:13.785>And <00:23:14.065>yeah, <00:23:14.345>it's, <00:23:14.625>but <00:23:14.905>it's <00:23:15.185>interesting

592
00:23:15.525 --> 00:23:18.085
<00:23:15.525>that <00:23:15.652>this <00:23:15.779>is <00:23:15.906>the <00:23:16.034>first <00:23:16.161>case <00:23:16.288>where <00:23:16.415>they, <00:23:16.543>they <00:23:16.670>made <00:23:16.797>it <00:23:16.925>public.

593
00:23:18.245 --> 00:23:19.845
<00:23:18.245>I <00:23:18.445>mean, <00:23:18.645>they're <00:23:18.844>quite, <00:23:19.044>quite <00:23:19.245>sure <00:23:19.445>that <00:23:19.645>lots

594
00:23:19.845 --> 00:23:22.565
<00:23:19.845>of <00:23:20.020>outages <00:23:20.195>were <00:23:20.370>caused <00:23:20.545>by <00:23:20.720>that <00:23:20.895>randomly <00:23:21.070>generated <00:23:21.245>code,

595
00:23:22.625 --> 00:23:26.025
<00:23:22.625>but <00:23:22.825>I <00:23:23.025>love <00:23:23.225>that <00:23:23.425>they <00:23:23.625>actually, <00:23:23.825>um, <00:23:24.025>explained

596
00:23:26.175 --> 00:23:29.425
<00:23:26.175>what <00:23:26.315>the <00:23:26.455>issues <00:23:26.595>are <00:23:26.735>and <00:23:26.875>uh, <00:23:27.014>uh, <00:23:27.155>and <00:23:27.294>what, <00:23:27.435>what <00:23:27.575>happened

597
00:23:29.445 --> 00:23:30.665
<00:23:29.445>and <00:23:29.628>how <00:23:29.811>they <00:23:29.994>found <00:23:30.177>it <00:23:30.360>as <00:23:30.543>well.

598
00:23:31.365 --> 00:23:32.795
<00:23:31.365>But <00:23:31.622>there <00:23:31.879>is <00:23:32.137>a, <00:23:32.394>I'm <00:23:32.652>wondering,

599
00:23:32.795 --> 00:23:35.555
<00:23:32.795>Julia, <00:23:32.970>I'm <00:23:33.145>just, <00:23:33.320>I'm <00:23:33.495>just <00:23:33.670>wondering <00:23:33.845>then, <00:23:34.020>Julia, <00:23:34.195>about

600
00:23:35.555 --> 00:23:37.875
<00:23:35.555>what <00:23:35.710>you <00:23:35.866>were <00:23:36.021>saying <00:23:36.177>about <00:23:36.332>rules <00:23:36.488>about, <00:23:36.643>you <00:23:36.799>know, <00:23:36.955>the,

601
00:23:37.875 --> 00:23:39.755
<00:23:37.875>the <00:23:38.108>instruction <00:23:38.341>files <00:23:38.575>and <00:23:38.808>the <00:23:39.041>rules <00:23:39.275>files.

602
00:23:40.075 --> 00:23:41.595
<00:23:40.075>'cause <00:23:40.246>I've, <00:23:40.417>I've <00:23:40.588>sort <00:23:40.759>of <00:23:40.930>seen <00:23:41.101>them, <00:23:41.272>you <00:23:41.443>know,

603
00:23:41.595 --> 00:23:42.915
<00:23:41.595>people <00:23:41.793>talk <00:23:41.991>about <00:23:42.189>them <00:23:42.387>saying, <00:23:42.585>you <00:23:42.783>know,

604
00:23:42.915 --> 00:23:46.285
<00:23:42.915>just <00:23:43.031>put <00:23:43.148>this <00:23:43.264>mark <00:23:43.381>down <00:23:43.498>file, <00:23:43.615>set <00:23:43.731>all <00:23:43.848>of <00:23:43.965>the <00:23:44.081>rules, <00:23:44.198>let <00:23:44.315>the,

605
00:23:46.345 --> 00:23:49.645
<00:23:46.345>um, <00:23:46.452>let <00:23:46.560>the <00:23:46.668>ai, <00:23:46.775>uh, <00:23:46.883>kind <00:23:46.991>of <00:23:47.098>see <00:23:47.206>it, <00:23:47.314>you <00:23:47.421>know, <00:23:47.529>say <00:23:47.637>to <00:23:47.745>it,

606
00:23:49.645 --> 00:23:51.005
<00:23:49.645>like, <00:23:49.798>take <00:23:49.951>a <00:23:50.104>look <00:23:50.257>at <00:23:50.410>this <00:23:50.563>file, <00:23:50.716>you <00:23:50.869>know,

607
00:23:51.005 --> 00:23:52.365
<00:23:51.005>in <00:23:51.209>your <00:23:51.413>context <00:23:51.617>and <00:23:51.821>things <00:23:52.025>like <00:23:52.229>this.

608
00:23:52.745 --> 00:23:56.405
<00:23:52.745>Um, <00:23:52.852>but <00:23:52.960>I <00:23:53.068>I, <00:23:53.175>I <00:23:53.283>wonder <00:23:53.391>how <00:23:53.498>much <00:23:53.606>of <00:23:53.714>this <00:23:53.821>will <00:23:53.929>be <00:23:54.037>solved <00:23:54.145>by

609
00:23:56.405 --> 00:23:58.725
<00:23:56.405>that <00:23:56.545>because <00:23:56.685>it <00:23:56.825>feels <00:23:56.965>like <00:23:57.105>that's <00:23:57.245>the <00:23:57.385>next <00:23:57.524>step <00:23:57.665>for <00:23:57.805>people,

610
00:23:59.025 --> 00:24:01.285
<00:23:59.025>you <00:23:59.200>know, <00:23:59.375>um, <00:23:59.550>uh, <00:23:59.725>the <00:23:59.900>sort <00:24:00.075>of <00:24:00.250>mainstream <00:24:00.425>awareness.

611
00:24:01.355 --> 00:24:03.725
<00:24:01.355>Like <00:24:01.530>people, <00:24:01.705>people <00:24:01.880>need <00:24:02.055>to <00:24:02.230>know <00:24:02.405>about <00:24:02.580>these, <00:24:02.755>right?

612
00:24:03.785 --> 00:24:07.325
<00:24:03.785>The, <00:24:03.940>the <00:24:04.096>rules <00:24:04.251>files <00:24:04.407>and <00:24:04.562>the <00:24:04.718>instructions <00:24:04.873>and <00:24:05.029>insiders <00:24:05.185>are,

613
00:24:07.345 --> 00:24:08.725
<00:24:07.345>and <00:24:07.655>very <00:24:07.966>technical <00:24:08.276>people <00:24:08.587>are,

614
00:24:08.725 --> 00:24:10.725
<00:24:08.725>but <00:24:08.925>it's, <00:24:09.125>it's <00:24:09.324>really <00:24:09.524>the, <00:24:09.725>the <00:24:09.925>vibe <00:24:10.125>coders,

615
00:24:10.725 --> 00:24:12.085
<00:24:10.725>this <00:24:10.969>is <00:24:11.214>gonna <00:24:11.459>protect <00:24:11.704>protect, <00:24:11.949>right?

616
00:24:12.145 --> 00:24:14.085
<00:24:12.145>The <00:24:12.300>people <00:24:12.456>who <00:24:12.611>have <00:24:12.767>no <00:24:12.922>idea <00:24:13.078>what <00:24:13.233>they're <00:24:13.389>looking <00:24:13.545>at.

617
00:24:14.425 --> 00:24:15.845
<00:24:14.425>Um, <00:24:14.638>and <00:24:14.851>I <00:24:15.064>just <00:24:15.277>wonder <00:24:15.490>when <00:24:15.703>you,

618
00:24:15.845 --> 00:24:18.005
<00:24:15.845>when <00:24:16.000>you're <00:24:16.156>showing <00:24:16.311>this <00:24:16.467>Chris, <00:24:16.622>about <00:24:16.778>would <00:24:16.933>this <00:24:17.089>have <00:24:17.245>been

619
00:24:18.005 --> 00:24:21.805
<00:24:18.005>fixed <00:24:18.112>by <00:24:18.220>a <00:24:18.328>rule, <00:24:18.435>you <00:24:18.543>know, <00:24:18.651>if, <00:24:18.758>if <00:24:18.866>the, <00:24:18.974>if <00:24:19.081>the <00:24:19.189>LLM <00:24:19.297>knew <00:24:19.405>not

620
00:24:22.085 --> 00:24:24.045
<00:24:22.085>to <00:24:22.260>do <00:24:22.435>certain <00:24:22.610>things, <00:24:22.785>or <00:24:22.960>are <00:24:23.135>they <00:24:23.310>just <00:24:23.485>things

621
00:24:24.045 --> 00:24:26.285
<00:24:24.045>that <00:24:24.220>are <00:24:24.395>such <00:24:24.570>edge <00:24:24.745>case <00:24:24.920>things <00:24:25.095>you <00:24:25.270>can't <00:24:25.445>predict?

622
00:24:27.875 --> 00:24:30.415
<00:24:27.875>You <00:24:28.108>have <00:24:28.341>convinced <00:24:28.575>as <00:24:28.808>LLMs <00:24:29.041>are <00:24:29.275>trained

623
00:24:30.515 --> 00:24:31.615
<00:24:30.515>on <00:24:30.845>human <00:24:31.175>code, <00:24:31.505>right?

624
00:24:31.615 --> 00:24:33.215
<00:24:31.615>Human <00:24:31.848>code <00:24:32.081>that <00:24:32.315>is <00:24:32.548>written <00:24:32.781>on <00:24:33.015>GitHub

625
00:24:33.215 --> 00:24:35.535
<00:24:33.215>and <00:24:33.564>humans <00:24:33.915>build <00:24:34.264>security <00:24:34.615>issues

626
00:24:35.595 --> 00:24:36.855
<00:24:35.595>and <00:24:35.821>to <00:24:36.048>code <00:24:36.275>all <00:24:36.502>the <00:24:36.729>time,

627
00:24:37.355 --> 00:24:40.375
<00:24:37.355>we <00:24:37.510>actually <00:24:37.666>cannot <00:24:37.821>rely <00:24:37.977>on <00:24:38.132>AI <00:24:38.288>to <00:24:38.443>actually <00:24:38.599>fix <00:24:38.755>that.

628
00:24:40.555 --> 00:24:45.455
<00:24:40.555>We <00:24:40.788>need <00:24:41.021>deterministic, <00:24:41.255>uh, <00:24:41.488>deterministic <00:24:41.721>version, <00:24:41.955>um,

629
00:24:45.745 --> 00:24:49.335
<00:24:45.745>tools <00:24:45.900>to <00:24:46.056>help <00:24:46.211>us <00:24:46.367>secure <00:24:46.522>our <00:24:46.678>code <00:24:46.833>the <00:24:46.989>same <00:24:47.145>way,

630
00:24:49.675 --> 00:24:50.895
<00:24:49.675>it <00:24:49.858>doesn't <00:24:50.041>really <00:24:50.224>matter <00:24:50.407>if <00:24:50.590>the <00:24:50.773>code

631
00:24:50.895 --> 00:24:52.055
<00:24:50.895>is <00:24:51.103>written <00:24:51.312>by <00:24:51.521>AI <00:24:51.730>or <00:24:51.939>human.

632
00:24:52.155 --> 00:24:55.935
<00:24:52.155>We <00:24:52.330>just <00:24:52.504>need <00:24:52.680>these <00:24:52.855>deterministic <00:24:53.030>measurements <00:24:53.205>on <00:24:53.379>that <00:24:53.555>code

633
00:24:56.115 --> 00:24:59.735
<00:24:56.115>to <00:24:56.290>prevent <00:24:56.465>that <00:24:56.640>secrets <00:24:56.815>are <00:24:56.990>pushed <00:24:57.165>to <00:24:57.340>prevent <00:24:57.515>that.

634
00:25:00.075 --> 00:25:03.255
<00:25:00.075>Um, <00:25:00.308>we <00:25:00.541>use <00:25:00.775>outdated <00:25:01.008>dependencies <00:25:01.241>with <00:25:01.475>vulnerabilities

635
00:25:03.435 --> 00:25:05.975
<00:25:03.435>inside <00:25:03.610>it, <00:25:03.784>like, <00:25:03.960>like <00:25:04.135>lock <00:25:04.310>four <00:25:04.485>J <00:25:04.659>for <00:25:04.835>example,

636
00:25:06.595 --> 00:25:08.415
<00:25:06.595>or <00:25:06.828>that <00:25:07.061>we <00:25:07.295>actually <00:25:07.528>have <00:25:07.761>like <00:25:07.995>code

637
00:25:08.415 --> 00:25:09.695
<00:25:08.415>smells <00:25:08.703>inside <00:25:08.991>of <00:25:09.279>our <00:25:09.567>code.

638
00:25:09.695 --> 00:25:10.735
<00:25:09.695>And <00:25:09.928>this <00:25:10.163>is <00:25:10.397>actually <00:25:10.630>something

639
00:25:10.735 --> 00:25:12.495
<00:25:10.735>that <00:25:11.014>at <00:25:11.294>least <00:25:11.574>I <00:25:11.854>currently <00:25:12.135>see.

640
00:25:12.555 --> 00:25:14.495
<00:25:12.555>And <00:25:12.755>I <00:25:12.955>don't <00:25:13.155>trust <00:25:13.355>AI <00:25:13.555>a <00:25:13.755>hundred <00:25:13.955>percent.

641
00:25:14.495 --> 00:25:15.695
<00:25:14.495>It's <00:25:15.034>not <00:25:15.574>deterministic.

642
00:25:16.415 --> 00:25:18.415
<00:25:16.415>I <00:25:16.570>would <00:25:16.726>not <00:25:16.881>do <00:25:17.037>that <00:25:17.192>with <00:25:17.348>the <00:25:17.503>help <00:25:17.659>of <00:25:17.815>ai.

643
00:25:18.435 --> 00:25:20.695
<00:25:18.435>It <00:25:18.668>can <00:25:18.901>support <00:25:19.135>obviously <00:25:19.368>all <00:25:19.601>the <00:25:19.835>time,

644
00:25:20.695 --> 00:25:23.895
<00:25:20.695>especially <00:25:20.850>when <00:25:21.006>the <00:25:21.161>fixes <00:25:21.317>for <00:25:21.472>the <00:25:21.628>code <00:25:21.783>are <00:25:21.939>that <00:25:22.095>simple

645
00:25:24.005 --> 00:25:26.215
<00:25:24.005>that <00:25:24.205>an <00:25:24.405>AI <00:25:24.605>test <00:25:24.805>can <00:25:25.005>just <00:25:25.205>generate <00:25:25.405>it,

646
00:25:26.395 --> 00:25:27.535
<00:25:26.395>um, <00:25:26.651>to <00:25:26.908>fix <00:25:27.164>that <00:25:27.421>problem.

647
00:25:28.155 --> 00:25:31.535
<00:25:28.155>But <00:25:28.310>the <00:25:28.466>whole <00:25:28.621>like <00:25:28.777>measurement, <00:25:28.932>I <00:25:29.088>would <00:25:29.243>not <00:25:29.399>do <00:25:29.555>that

648
00:25:31.535 --> 00:25:33.615
<00:25:31.535>with <00:25:32.001>AI <00:25:32.468>right <00:25:32.935>now.

649
00:25:34.085 --> 00:25:37.095
<00:25:34.085>Yeah, <00:25:34.240>it <00:25:34.396>feels, <00:25:34.551>it <00:25:34.707>feels <00:25:34.862>trusting <00:25:35.018>the <00:25:35.173>machine <00:25:35.329>too <00:25:35.485>much.

650
00:25:37.395 --> 00:25:39.855
<00:25:37.395>And <00:25:37.550>like, <00:25:37.706>it's <00:25:37.861>interesting <00:25:38.017>when <00:25:38.172>you <00:25:38.328>said <00:25:38.483>like <00:25:38.639>these <00:25:38.795>rule

651
00:25:39.855 --> 00:25:42.455
<00:25:39.855>files <00:25:40.055>and <00:25:40.255>everything, <00:25:40.455>there's <00:25:40.655>now <00:25:40.855>somebody <00:25:41.055>says <00:25:41.255>like,

652
00:25:42.455 --> 00:25:46.095
<00:25:42.455>you <00:25:42.571>have <00:25:42.688>to <00:25:42.804>have <00:25:42.921>a <00:25:43.038>cursor <00:25:43.155>MD <00:25:43.271>file <00:25:43.388>to, <00:25:43.504>to, <00:25:43.621>uh, <00:25:43.738>to <00:25:43.855>basically

653
00:25:46.765 --> 00:25:49.535
<00:25:46.765>onboard <00:25:46.998>the <00:25:47.231>AI <00:25:47.465>developer <00:25:47.698>in <00:25:47.931>your <00:25:48.165>project.

654
00:25:49.755 --> 00:25:51.415
<00:25:49.755>And <00:25:49.955>I'm <00:25:50.155>like, <00:25:50.355>what <00:25:50.555>are <00:25:50.755>we <00:25:50.955>doing <00:25:51.155>here?

655
00:25:51.415 --> 00:25:54.895
<00:25:51.415>Like, <00:25:51.542>I <00:25:51.669>mean, <00:25:51.796>this <00:25:51.924>is, <00:25:52.051>this <00:25:52.178>is <00:25:52.305>like, <00:25:52.433>this <00:25:52.560>should <00:25:52.687>be <00:25:52.815>easy

656
00:25:55.075 --> 00:25:57.815
<00:25:55.075>for <00:25:55.230>us <00:25:55.386>to <00:25:55.541>actually <00:25:55.697>get <00:25:55.852>these <00:25:56.008>things <00:25:56.163>to <00:25:56.319>do <00:25:56.475>things,

657
00:25:57.995 --> 00:26:00.295
<00:25:57.995>but, <00:25:58.274>uh, <00:25:58.554>there's <00:25:58.834>CPS <00:25:59.114>out <00:25:59.395>there

658
00:26:00.315 --> 00:26:02.335
<00:26:00.315>to <00:26:00.548>actually <00:26:00.781>stop <00:26:01.015>loops <00:26:01.248>from <00:26:01.481>happening <00:26:01.715>so

659
00:26:02.335 --> 00:26:05.255
<00:26:02.335>that <00:26:02.490>perplexity <00:26:02.646>will, <00:26:02.801>your <00:26:02.957>bill <00:26:03.112>will <00:26:03.268>go <00:26:03.423>through <00:26:03.579>the <00:26:03.735>roof

660
00:26:05.255 --> 00:26:07.495
<00:26:05.255>and <00:26:05.382>these <00:26:05.509>kind <00:26:05.636>of <00:26:05.764>things, <00:26:05.891>like <00:26:06.018>when <00:26:06.145>an <00:26:06.273>agent <00:26:06.400>is <00:26:06.527>out <00:26:06.655>there

661
00:26:07.495 --> 00:26:09.295
<00:26:07.495>that <00:26:07.774>just <00:26:08.054>reads <00:26:08.334>new <00:26:08.614>files <00:26:08.895>over

662
00:26:09.295 --> 00:26:10.495
<00:26:09.295>and <00:26:09.449>over <00:26:09.603>again <00:26:09.757>and <00:26:09.912>these <00:26:10.066>kind <00:26:10.220>of <00:26:10.375>things.

663
00:26:11.195 --> 00:26:14.655
<00:26:11.195>So <00:26:11.335>it <00:26:11.475>seems <00:26:11.615>like <00:26:11.754>we're <00:26:11.895>we're, <00:26:12.034>um, <00:26:12.175>we're <00:26:12.314>trusting <00:26:12.455>too <00:26:12.595>much,

664
00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:17.055
<00:26:14.875>uh, <00:26:15.075>uh, <00:26:15.275>that, <00:26:15.475>that <00:26:15.675>the <00:26:15.875>magic <00:26:16.075>will <00:26:16.275>happen.

665
00:26:17.835 --> 00:26:21.295
<00:26:17.835>And, <00:26:17.951>uh, <00:26:18.068>uh, <00:26:18.185>I <00:26:18.301>I <00:26:18.418>I <00:26:18.535>hope <00:26:18.651>that <00:26:18.768>there <00:26:18.885>will <00:26:19.001>be <00:26:19.118>a <00:26:19.235>lot

666
00:26:21.295 --> 00:26:24.615
<00:26:21.295>of <00:26:21.450>like <00:26:21.606>cases <00:26:21.761>like <00:26:21.917>this <00:26:22.072>where <00:26:22.228>people <00:26:22.383>realize <00:26:22.539>like, <00:26:22.695>no,

667
00:26:24.615 --> 00:26:26.055
<00:26:24.615>that's <00:26:24.831>not <00:26:25.047>a <00:26:25.263>way <00:26:25.479>to <00:26:25.695>do <00:26:25.911>that.

668
00:26:26.075 --> 00:26:28.935
<00:26:26.075>You <00:26:26.250>cannot <00:26:26.425>just <00:26:26.600>replace <00:26:26.775>your <00:26:26.950>engineers <00:26:27.125>with <00:26:27.300>a <00:26:27.475>script

669
00:26:28.995 --> 00:26:31.335
<00:26:28.995>or <00:26:29.195>with <00:26:29.395>a <00:26:29.594>bot <00:26:29.794>that <00:26:29.995>basically <00:26:30.195>does <00:26:30.395>it

670
00:26:31.335 --> 00:26:33.775
<00:26:31.335>because <00:26:31.462>this <00:26:31.589>is <00:26:31.716>the <00:26:31.844>kind <00:26:31.971>of <00:26:32.098>stuff <00:26:32.225>that <00:26:32.353>can <00:26:32.480>happen <00:26:32.607>with <00:26:32.735>it.

671
00:26:34.085 --> 00:26:37.015
<00:26:34.085>Yeah. <00:26:34.212>Which <00:26:34.339>brings <00:26:34.466>me <00:26:34.594>to <00:26:34.721>the, <00:26:34.848>the <00:26:34.975>other <00:26:35.103>finding <00:26:35.230>in <00:26:35.357>the, <00:26:35.485>uh,

672
00:26:37.115 --> 00:26:39.735
<00:26:37.115>in <00:26:37.270>the <00:26:37.426>thing <00:26:37.581>in <00:26:37.737>the <00:26:37.892>developer <00:26:38.048>survey <00:26:38.203>as <00:26:38.359>well, <00:26:38.515>uh,

673
00:26:39.735 --> 00:26:43.725
<00:26:39.735>where <00:26:39.890>basically <00:26:40.046>the <00:26:40.201>trust <00:26:40.357>in <00:26:40.512>AI <00:26:40.668>coding <00:26:40.823>tools <00:26:40.979>is <00:26:41.135>fail,

674
00:26:43.785 --> 00:26:46.285
<00:26:43.785>is <00:26:43.985>failing, <00:26:44.185>uh, <00:26:44.385>is <00:26:44.585>falling <00:26:44.785>as <00:26:44.985>usage <00:26:45.185>rises.

675
00:26:46.665 --> 00:26:48.685
<00:26:46.665>And <00:26:46.898>I <00:26:47.131>think <00:26:47.365>there's <00:26:47.598>several <00:26:47.831>audiences <00:26:48.065>here,

676
00:26:49.485 --> 00:26:51.285
<00:26:49.485>I <00:26:49.685>think <00:26:49.885>like <00:26:50.084>the <00:26:50.284>cool <00:26:50.485>new <00:26:50.685>vibe <00:26:50.885>code

677
00:26:51.315 --> 00:26:53.925
<00:26:51.315>that <00:26:51.548>just <00:26:51.781>embraces <00:26:52.015>everything <00:26:52.248>in <00:26:52.481>workforce <00:26:52.715>startup

678
00:26:53.935 --> 00:26:56.045
<00:26:53.935>where <00:26:54.168>the <00:26:54.401>product <00:26:54.635>can <00:26:54.868>change <00:26:55.101>every <00:26:55.335>day

679
00:26:56.045 --> 00:26:58.645
<00:26:56.045>or <00:26:56.172>needs <00:26:56.299>to <00:26:56.426>change <00:26:56.554>every <00:26:56.681>day, <00:26:56.808>they <00:26:56.935>have <00:26:57.063>less <00:26:57.190>of <00:26:57.317>a <00:26:57.445>problem.

680
00:26:58.785 --> 00:27:01.765
<00:26:58.785>But <00:26:58.960>I, <00:26:59.135>I <00:26:59.310>saw <00:26:59.485>that <00:26:59.660>over <00:26:59.835>the <00:27:00.010>last <00:27:00.185>month.

681
00:27:02.005 --> 00:27:06.205
<00:27:02.005>A <00:27:02.160>lot <00:27:02.316>of <00:27:02.471>companies <00:27:02.627>shoehorned <00:27:02.782>AI <00:27:02.938>into <00:27:03.093>their <00:27:03.249>company <00:27:03.405>just

682
00:27:06.225 --> 00:27:08.685
<00:27:06.225>to <00:27:06.399>be <00:27:06.574>like <00:27:06.750>seen <00:27:06.925>as <00:27:07.100>somebody <00:27:07.274>who <00:27:07.449>is <00:27:07.625>innovating.

683
00:27:09.305 --> 00:27:11.325
<00:27:09.305>And <00:27:09.585>they <00:27:09.865>had <00:27:10.145>like <00:27:10.425>happy <00:27:10.705>developers

684
00:27:11.325 --> 00:27:13.885
<00:27:11.325>with <00:27:11.500>their <00:27:11.675>stack <00:27:11.850>doing <00:27:12.025>the, <00:27:12.200>doing <00:27:12.375>their <00:27:12.550>day-to-day <00:27:12.725>job

685
00:27:13.985 --> 00:27:15.685
<00:27:13.985>and <00:27:14.334>changing <00:27:14.685>every <00:27:15.034>three <00:27:15.385>months,

686
00:27:15.685 --> 00:27:17.645
<00:27:15.685>those <00:27:15.918>two <00:27:16.151>buttons <00:27:16.385>on <00:27:16.618>that <00:27:16.851>insurance <00:27:17.085>website.

687
00:27:17.645 --> 00:27:19.525
<00:27:17.645>That's <00:27:17.878>totally <00:27:18.111>fine <00:27:18.345>to <00:27:18.578>have <00:27:18.811>that <00:27:19.045>way.

688
00:27:19.785 --> 00:27:22.845
<00:27:19.785>And <00:27:19.912>now <00:27:20.039>they're <00:27:20.166>asked <00:27:20.294>to <00:27:20.421>vibe <00:27:20.548>code <00:27:20.675>and, <00:27:20.803>and, <00:27:20.930>and <00:27:21.057>AI <00:27:21.185>code,

689
00:27:22.905 --> 00:27:26.445
<00:27:22.905>and <00:27:23.105>they <00:27:23.305>found <00:27:23.504>like <00:27:23.705>the <00:27:23.905>generated <00:27:24.105>code <00:27:24.305>debugging

690
00:27:26.445 --> 00:27:29.765
<00:27:26.445>that <00:27:26.585>one <00:27:26.725>costs <00:27:26.865>them <00:27:27.004>more <00:27:27.145>time <00:27:27.284>than <00:27:27.425>actually <00:27:27.564>writing <00:27:27.705>the <00:27:27.845>code

691
00:27:29.765 --> 00:27:31.205
<00:27:29.765>themselves <00:27:30.089>in <00:27:30.413>the <00:27:30.737>first <00:27:31.061>place.

692
00:27:31.945 --> 00:27:33.685
<00:27:31.945>So <00:27:32.120>it <00:27:32.294>seems <00:27:32.470>like <00:27:32.645>this, <00:27:32.820>this <00:27:32.995>is <00:27:33.169>a <00:27:33.345>thing

693
00:27:33.685 --> 00:27:35.325
<00:27:33.685>that <00:27:33.885>is <00:27:34.085>happening <00:27:34.284>right <00:27:34.485>now <00:27:34.685>where <00:27:34.885>we <00:27:35.085>have

694
00:27:35.325 --> 00:27:39.005
<00:27:35.325>to <00:27:35.525>start <00:27:35.725>differentiating <00:27:35.925>who <00:27:36.125>can <00:27:36.325>benefit <00:27:36.525>from <00:27:36.725>these

695
00:27:39.685 --> 00:27:40.765
<00:27:39.685>bleeding <00:27:40.171>edge <00:27:40.657>technologies

696
00:27:41.185 --> 00:27:44.565
<00:27:41.185>or <00:27:41.385>where <00:27:41.585>it's <00:27:41.784>just <00:27:41.985>annoying <00:27:42.185>for <00:27:42.385>your <00:27:42.585>engineers

697
00:27:44.945 --> 00:27:46.645
<00:27:44.945>to <00:27:45.178>be <00:27:45.411>forced <00:27:45.645>to <00:27:45.878>use <00:27:46.111>these <00:27:46.345>things.

698
00:27:47.155 --> 00:27:48.565
<00:27:47.155>That <00:27:47.408>that <00:27:47.662>is, <00:27:47.916>that <00:27:48.170>was <00:27:48.424>always

699
00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:49.645
<00:27:48.565>the <00:27:48.808>same <00:27:49.051>with <00:27:49.294>every <00:27:49.537>technology.

700
00:27:49.675 --> 00:27:51.285
<00:27:49.675>When <00:27:49.850>people <00:27:50.024>are <00:27:50.200>like, <00:27:50.375>oh, <00:27:50.550>you <00:27:50.725>gotta <00:27:50.899>use <00:27:51.075>flash.

701
00:27:51.385 --> 00:27:53.205
<00:27:51.385>Oh, <00:27:51.585>you <00:27:51.785>gotta <00:27:51.985>have <00:27:52.185>a <00:27:52.385>mobile <00:27:52.585>phone <00:27:52.785>website.

702
00:27:53.425 --> 00:27:55.645
<00:27:53.425>You <00:27:53.600>have <00:27:53.774>a <00:27:53.950>mobile <00:27:54.125>app <00:27:54.300>instead <00:27:54.475>of <00:27:54.649>a <00:27:54.825>website,

703
00:27:55.785 --> 00:27:56.965
<00:27:55.785>or <00:27:56.050>these <00:27:56.316>kind <00:27:56.581>of <00:27:56.847>things.

704
00:27:56.965 --> 00:27:59.165
<00:27:56.965>Like <00:27:57.198>where, <00:27:57.431>where <00:27:57.665>people <00:27:57.898>were <00:27:58.131>always <00:27:58.365>asked

705
00:27:59.225 --> 00:28:00.845
<00:27:59.225>to <00:27:59.691>embrace <00:28:00.158>new <00:28:00.625>technology

706
00:28:00.845 --> 00:28:04.045
<00:28:00.845>because <00:28:01.000>they <00:28:01.156>became <00:28:01.311>mainstream <00:28:01.467>in <00:28:01.622>the <00:28:01.778>media <00:28:01.933>rather <00:28:02.089>than <00:28:02.245>they

707
00:28:04.045 --> 00:28:05.085
<00:28:04.045>solved <00:28:04.357>the <00:28:04.669>real <00:28:04.981>issue.

708
00:28:06.255 --> 00:28:08.775
<00:28:06.255>I <00:28:06.410>found <00:28:06.566>a <00:28:06.721>lot <00:28:06.877>of <00:28:07.032>times <00:28:07.188>I <00:28:07.343>start <00:28:07.499>something <00:28:07.655>small

709
00:28:08.805 --> 00:28:10.855
<00:28:08.805>that <00:28:08.980>I <00:28:09.155>know <00:28:09.330>I <00:28:09.505>can <00:28:09.680>do <00:28:09.855>in <00:28:10.030>an <00:28:10.205>hour,

710
00:28:11.235 --> 00:28:13.255
<00:28:11.235>and <00:28:11.409>then <00:28:11.584>I, <00:28:11.760>oh, <00:28:11.935>let's, <00:28:12.110>let's <00:28:12.284>wipe <00:28:12.459>code <00:28:12.635>it.

711
00:28:13.255 --> 00:28:15.815
<00:28:13.255>And <00:28:13.395>then <00:28:13.535>it <00:28:13.675>was <00:28:13.815>three <00:28:13.955>hours <00:28:14.095>of <00:28:14.235>telling <00:28:14.375>the <00:28:14.515>machine <00:28:14.655>not

712
00:28:16.055 --> 00:28:18.215
<00:28:16.055>to <00:28:16.210>do <00:28:16.366>the <00:28:16.521>thing <00:28:16.677>that, <00:28:16.832>uh, <00:28:16.988>what <00:28:17.143>that <00:28:17.299>it <00:28:17.455>did

713
00:28:18.215 --> 00:28:20.095
<00:28:18.215>because <00:28:18.564>it's, <00:28:18.915>it's <00:28:19.264>more <00:28:19.615>optimized.

714
00:28:20.805 --> 00:28:23.215
<00:28:20.805>Yeah. <00:28:21.038>I <00:28:21.271>have <00:28:21.505>a <00:28:21.738>feeling <00:28:21.971>sometimes, <00:28:22.205>um,

715
00:28:23.605 --> 00:28:26.615
<00:28:23.605>when <00:28:23.745>you <00:28:23.885>talk <00:28:24.025>about <00:28:24.165>organizations <00:28:24.305>that <00:28:24.445>now <00:28:24.585>start <00:28:24.725>to <00:28:24.865>use <00:28:25.005>AI

716
00:28:26.635 --> 00:28:30.295
<00:28:26.635>and <00:28:26.790>to <00:28:26.946>vibe <00:28:27.101>code <00:28:27.257>to <00:28:27.412>just <00:28:27.568>be <00:28:27.723>innovative, <00:28:27.879>oftentimes, <00:28:28.035>um,

717
00:28:30.965 --> 00:28:33.575
<00:28:30.965>this <00:28:31.139>decision <00:28:31.314>is <00:28:31.490>not <00:28:31.665>done <00:28:31.840>by <00:28:32.014>the <00:28:32.189>developers, <00:28:32.365>right?

718
00:28:33.635 --> 00:28:37.215
<00:28:33.635>We <00:28:33.790>have <00:28:33.946>like, <00:28:34.101>we <00:28:34.257>have <00:28:34.412>management <00:28:34.568>that <00:28:34.723>reads, <00:28:34.879>uh, <00:28:35.035>articles

719
00:28:37.215 --> 00:28:38.735
<00:28:37.215>and <00:28:37.367>it's <00:28:37.519>like, <00:28:37.670>oh, <00:28:37.822>we <00:28:37.975>need <00:28:38.127>to <00:28:38.279>do <00:28:38.430>this <00:28:38.582>right,

720
00:28:38.755 --> 00:28:40.015
<00:28:38.755>to <00:28:39.038>be <00:28:39.322>productive <00:28:39.605>and <00:28:39.889>innovative,

721
00:28:40.075 --> 00:28:43.055
<00:28:40.075>and <00:28:40.202>then <00:28:40.329>they <00:28:40.456>push <00:28:40.584>this <00:28:40.711>tech <00:28:40.838>stack <00:28:40.965>on <00:28:41.093>top <00:28:41.220>of <00:28:41.347>the <00:28:41.475>developers

722
00:28:43.075 --> 00:28:45.335
<00:28:43.075>and <00:28:43.230>then <00:28:43.386>they <00:28:43.541>start <00:28:43.697>to <00:28:43.852>measure <00:28:44.008>the <00:28:44.163>daily <00:28:44.319>active <00:28:44.475>usage.

723
00:28:45.365 --> 00:28:46.375
<00:28:45.365>It's <00:28:45.668>actually <00:28:45.971>also <00:28:46.274>something

724
00:28:46.375 --> 00:28:48.695
<00:28:46.375>that <00:28:46.575>we <00:28:46.775>do <00:28:46.975>at <00:28:47.175>Microsoft <00:28:47.375>Daily <00:28:47.575>active <00:28:47.775>usage

725
00:28:48.695 --> 00:28:50.655
<00:28:48.695>of <00:28:48.895>Microsoft <00:28:49.095>copilot <00:28:49.294>to <00:28:49.495>just <00:28:49.695>have <00:28:49.895>an <00:28:50.095>idea

726
00:28:51.075 --> 00:28:52.775
<00:28:51.075>how <00:28:51.425>much <00:28:51.775>it's <00:28:52.125>actually <00:28:52.475>used.

727
00:28:53.675 --> 00:28:58.095
<00:28:53.675>And <00:28:53.791>when <00:28:53.908>your <00:28:54.024>team <00:28:54.141>is <00:28:54.258>then <00:28:54.375>in <00:28:54.491>some <00:28:54.608>kind <00:28:54.725>of <00:28:54.841>a <00:28:54.958>statistic, <00:28:55.075>um,

728
00:28:58.105 --> 00:28:59.815
<00:28:58.105>where <00:28:58.455>it <00:28:58.805>shows, <00:28:59.155>Hey, <00:28:59.505>you

729
00:28:59.815 --> 00:29:02.935
<00:28:59.815>and <00:28:59.970>we <00:29:00.126>now <00:29:00.281>bought <00:29:00.437>this <00:29:00.592>AI <00:29:00.748>coding <00:29:00.903>tool <00:29:01.059>cursor <00:29:01.215>okay.

730
00:29:02.935 --> 00:29:05.575
<00:29:02.935>Component <00:29:03.090>or <00:29:03.246>whatever, <00:29:03.401>and <00:29:03.557>we <00:29:03.712>see <00:29:03.868>you're <00:29:04.023>not <00:29:04.179>using <00:29:04.335>it,

731
00:29:05.835 --> 00:29:08.015
<00:29:05.835>and <00:29:06.035>then <00:29:06.235>they <00:29:06.435>try <00:29:06.635>to <00:29:06.835>draw, <00:29:07.035>draw <00:29:07.235>conclusions

732
00:29:08.015 --> 00:29:09.815
<00:29:08.015>to <00:29:08.365>your <00:29:08.715>productivity <00:29:09.065>behind <00:29:09.415>that.

733
00:29:10.475 --> 00:29:13.175
<00:29:10.475>The <00:29:10.708>truth <00:29:10.941>can, <00:29:11.175>is <00:29:11.408>it <00:29:11.641>really <00:29:11.875>related?

734
00:29:13.355 --> 00:29:14.535
<00:29:13.355>We <00:29:13.620>don't <00:29:13.886>know <00:29:14.151>yet, <00:29:14.417>right?

735
00:29:14.555 --> 00:29:17.535
<00:29:14.555>We <00:29:14.682>start <00:29:14.809>to <00:29:14.936>get <00:29:15.064>statistic <00:29:15.191>now <00:29:15.318>over <00:29:15.445>a <00:29:15.573>a <00:29:15.700>little <00:29:15.827>bit <00:29:15.955>more,

736
00:29:17.995 --> 00:29:20.855
<00:29:17.995>do <00:29:18.122>we <00:29:18.249>really <00:29:18.376>get <00:29:18.504>an <00:29:18.631>idea <00:29:18.758>if <00:29:18.885>AI <00:29:19.013>is <00:29:19.140>actually <00:29:19.267>helping <00:29:19.395>us

737
00:29:20.855 --> 00:29:23.015
<00:29:20.855>getting <00:29:21.135>more <00:29:21.415>productive <00:29:21.695>in <00:29:21.975>day-to-day <00:29:22.255>tasks,

738
00:29:23.075 --> 00:29:25.055
<00:29:23.075>but <00:29:23.355>also <00:29:23.635>in, <00:29:23.915>in, <00:29:24.195>in <00:29:24.475>coding.

739
00:29:25.595 --> 00:29:27.535
<00:29:25.595>Um, <00:29:25.828>but <00:29:26.061>it <00:29:26.295>clearly <00:29:26.528>differs <00:29:26.761>from <00:29:26.995>the,

740
00:29:27.605 --> 00:29:29.375
<00:29:27.605>from <00:29:27.805>the <00:29:28.005>target <00:29:28.205>group, <00:29:28.405>what <00:29:28.605>you <00:29:28.805>mentioned, <00:29:29.005>right?

741
00:29:29.435 --> 00:29:30.775
<00:29:29.435>We <00:29:29.676>have <00:29:29.917>like <00:29:30.158>the <00:29:30.399>senior <00:29:30.641>devs

742
00:29:30.775 --> 00:29:32.855
<00:29:30.775>who <00:29:30.950>can <00:29:31.125>do <00:29:31.300>it <00:29:31.475>in <00:29:31.650>an <00:29:31.825>hour <00:29:32.000>anyway, <00:29:32.175>right?

743
00:29:32.855 --> 00:29:34.055
<00:29:32.855>They <00:29:33.215>don't <00:29:33.575>need <00:29:33.935>ai.

744
00:29:34.475 --> 00:29:36.775
<00:29:34.475>Um, <00:29:34.649>but <00:29:34.824>what <00:29:35.000>about <00:29:35.175>the <00:29:35.350>mid-level <00:29:35.524>and <00:29:35.699>junior <00:29:35.875>devs?

745
00:29:36.915 --> 00:29:39.655
<00:29:36.915>Um, <00:29:37.042>and <00:29:37.169>what <00:29:37.296>is <00:29:37.424>also <00:29:37.551>like <00:29:37.678>the <00:29:37.805>impact <00:29:37.933>on <00:29:38.060>the <00:29:38.187>whole <00:29:38.315>like

746
00:29:39.935 --> 00:29:42.445
<00:29:39.935>learning <00:29:40.215>of <00:29:40.495>mid-level <00:29:40.774>and <00:29:41.054>junior <00:29:41.335>devs?

747
00:29:42.665 --> 00:29:45.285
<00:29:42.665>Um, <00:29:42.792>back <00:29:42.919>when <00:29:43.046>I <00:29:43.174>was <00:29:43.301>a <00:29:43.428>junior <00:29:43.555>deaf, <00:29:43.683>I <00:29:43.810>learned <00:29:43.937>from <00:29:44.065>pain

748
00:29:45.545 --> 00:29:48.085
<00:29:45.545>and <00:29:45.661>I <00:29:45.778>learned <00:29:45.895>from <00:29:46.011>a <00:29:46.128>senior <00:29:46.245>developer <00:29:46.361>who <00:29:46.478>take <00:29:46.595>a <00:29:46.711>lot <00:29:46.828>of <00:29:46.945>time

749
00:29:48.105 --> 00:29:50.205
<00:29:48.105>to <00:29:48.305>actually <00:29:48.505>explain <00:29:48.705>me <00:29:48.905>things, <00:29:49.105>why <00:29:49.305>it <00:29:49.505>was

750
00:29:50.205 --> 00:29:51.605
<00:29:50.205>so <00:29:50.520>painful, <00:29:50.835>just <00:29:51.150>learning <00:29:51.465>that.

751
00:29:52.105 --> 00:29:54.565
<00:29:52.105>Um, <00:29:52.260>but <00:29:52.416>today, <00:29:52.571>this <00:29:52.727>is <00:29:52.882>not <00:29:53.038>the <00:29:53.193>truth <00:29:53.349>anymore, <00:29:53.505>right?

752
00:29:54.565 --> 00:29:56.605
<00:29:54.565>Junior <00:29:54.845>developers <00:29:55.125>just <00:29:55.405>ask <00:29:55.685>an <00:29:55.965>AI

753
00:29:56.825 --> 00:29:58.965
<00:29:56.825>to <00:29:57.105>give <00:29:57.385>them <00:29:57.665>the <00:29:57.945>basic <00:29:58.225>outline

754
00:29:59.145 --> 00:30:01.165
<00:29:59.145>and <00:29:59.378>then <00:29:59.611>they <00:29:59.845>try <00:30:00.078>to <00:30:00.311>debug <00:30:00.545>it,

755
00:30:01.165 --> 00:30:03.645
<00:30:01.165>and <00:30:01.365>if <00:30:01.565>they <00:30:01.764>fail, <00:30:01.965>um, <00:30:02.165>the <00:30:02.365>whole <00:30:02.565>load

756
00:30:03.645 --> 00:30:05.685
<00:30:03.645>and <00:30:03.845>the <00:30:04.045>whole <00:30:04.245>responsibility <00:30:04.445>falls <00:30:04.645>back <00:30:04.845>on <00:30:05.045>her

757
00:30:05.865 --> 00:30:08.205
<00:30:05.865>to <00:30:06.065>the <00:30:06.265>senior <00:30:06.465>devs <00:30:06.665>anyway, <00:30:06.865>who <00:30:07.065>did <00:30:07.265>need

758
00:30:08.205 --> 00:30:09.245
<00:30:08.205>to <00:30:08.438>do <00:30:08.673>the <00:30:08.907>code <00:30:09.140>review

759
00:30:09.245 --> 00:30:11.405
<00:30:09.245>and <00:30:09.419>also <00:30:09.594>the <00:30:09.770>cold <00:30:09.945>quality <00:30:10.120>assurance <00:30:10.294>of <00:30:10.469>the <00:30:10.645>product.

760
00:30:11.825 --> 00:30:14.165
<00:30:11.825>So <00:30:11.952>what <00:30:12.079>we <00:30:12.206>are <00:30:12.334>creating <00:30:12.461>is <00:30:12.588>we <00:30:12.715>are <00:30:12.843>creating <00:30:12.970>like <00:30:13.097>a <00:30:13.225>huge

761
00:30:14.175 --> 00:30:17.925
<00:30:14.175>bottleneck <00:30:14.330>on <00:30:14.486>the <00:30:14.641>shoulders <00:30:14.797>of <00:30:14.952>top <00:30:15.108>of <00:30:15.263>the <00:30:15.419>seniors <00:30:15.575>developers

762
00:30:18.105 --> 00:30:20.245
<00:30:18.105>who <00:30:18.338>don't <00:30:18.571>only <00:30:18.805>need <00:30:19.038>to <00:30:19.271>babysit <00:30:19.505>midlevel

763
00:30:20.245 --> 00:30:23.205
<00:30:20.245>and <00:30:20.419>juniors <00:30:20.594>who <00:30:20.770>now <00:30:20.945>also <00:30:21.120>need <00:30:21.294>to <00:30:21.469>babysit <00:30:21.645>ai.

764
00:30:23.975 --> 00:30:25.515
<00:30:23.975>That's, <00:30:24.252>yeah. <00:30:24.529>I <00:30:24.806>mean, <00:30:25.083>like <00:30:25.361>getting,

765
00:30:25.515 --> 00:30:28.275
<00:30:25.515>getting <00:30:25.655>junior <00:30:25.795>in <00:30:25.935>check <00:30:26.075>is <00:30:26.215>easier <00:30:26.355>than <00:30:26.495>getting <00:30:26.635>a <00:30:26.775>machine <00:30:26.915>in

766
00:30:28.275 --> 00:30:29.755
<00:30:28.275>check <00:30:28.441>that <00:30:28.608>the <00:30:28.774>company <00:30:28.941>paid <00:30:29.107>a <00:30:29.274>lot <00:30:29.440>of <00:30:29.607>money

767
00:30:29.755 --> 00:30:30.915
<00:30:29.755>for. <00:30:30.277>Right? <00:30:30.799>True.

768
00:30:31.695 --> 00:30:33.315
<00:30:31.695>I'm <00:30:31.850>wondering <00:30:32.006>if <00:30:32.161>there's <00:30:32.317>a <00:30:32.472>positive <00:30:32.628>spin <00:30:32.783>on <00:30:32.939>that <00:30:33.095>though.

769
00:30:33.455 --> 00:30:36.155
<00:30:33.455>I'm <00:30:33.595>wondering <00:30:33.735>if <00:30:33.875>actually <00:30:34.014>it <00:30:34.155>just <00:30:34.294>got <00:30:34.435>me <00:30:34.574>thinking, <00:30:34.715>you <00:30:34.855>know,

770
00:30:36.315 --> 00:30:39.875
<00:30:36.315>about <00:30:36.455>like <00:30:36.595>whether, <00:30:36.735>what, <00:30:36.875>what <00:30:37.015>if, <00:30:37.155>I <00:30:37.295>don't <00:30:37.435>know, <00:30:37.575>I'm <00:30:37.715>sort

771
00:30:39.875 --> 00:30:41.195
<00:30:39.875>of, <00:30:40.023>I'm <00:30:40.172>thinking <00:30:40.320>this <00:30:40.469>out <00:30:40.617>loud <00:30:40.765>a <00:30:40.914>little <00:30:41.062>bit,

772
00:30:41.215 --> 00:30:43.635
<00:30:41.215>but <00:30:41.415>if, <00:30:41.615>if <00:30:41.814>we, <00:30:42.014>if <00:30:42.215>our <00:30:42.415>role <00:30:42.615>changes

773
00:30:43.775 --> 00:30:46.995
<00:30:43.775>and <00:30:43.930>that <00:30:44.086>mostly <00:30:44.241>it's <00:30:44.397>reviewing <00:30:44.552>code, <00:30:44.708>then <00:30:44.863>you <00:30:45.019>would <00:30:45.175>think

774
00:30:46.995 --> 00:30:49.675
<00:30:46.995>that <00:30:47.135>the <00:30:47.274>smart <00:30:47.415>way <00:30:47.554>to <00:30:47.695>spend <00:30:47.834>your <00:30:47.975>time <00:30:48.114>is <00:30:48.254>on <00:30:48.395>learning,

775
00:30:49.935 --> 00:30:51.435
<00:30:49.935>you <00:30:50.103>know, <00:30:50.272>so <00:30:50.441>that <00:30:50.610>you <00:30:50.778>can <00:30:50.947>review <00:30:51.116>that <00:30:51.284>code

776
00:30:51.495 --> 00:30:52.875
<00:30:51.495>and <00:30:51.702>actually <00:30:51.908>know <00:30:52.116>what <00:30:52.322>you're <00:30:52.530>looking <00:30:52.737>at.

777
00:30:53.135 --> 00:30:56.955
<00:30:53.135>But <00:30:53.262>my <00:30:53.389>and <00:30:53.516>my <00:30:53.644>worry <00:30:53.771>with <00:30:53.898>that <00:30:54.025>is <00:30:54.153>that <00:30:54.280>the <00:30:54.407>final <00:30:54.535>part

778
00:30:56.955 --> 00:30:58.275
<00:30:56.955>of <00:30:57.192>learning <00:30:57.430>is <00:30:57.667>like, <00:30:57.905>okay, <00:30:58.143>I,

779
00:30:58.315 --> 00:31:00.395
<00:30:58.315>I <00:30:58.455>know <00:30:58.595>all <00:30:58.735>this <00:30:58.875>information <00:30:59.015>now <00:30:59.155>I <00:30:59.295>need <00:30:59.435>to <00:30:59.575>use <00:30:59.715>it

780
00:31:00.395 --> 00:31:01.555
<00:31:00.395>and <00:31:00.569>now <00:31:00.743>I <00:31:00.917>need <00:31:01.091>to <00:31:01.265>apply <00:31:01.439>it,

781
00:31:01.815 --> 00:31:03.355
<00:31:01.815>but <00:31:02.092>we're <00:31:02.369>never <00:31:02.646>really <00:31:02.923>applying <00:31:03.201>it

782
00:31:03.355 --> 00:31:05.315
<00:31:03.355>because <00:31:03.588>we're <00:31:03.821>not <00:31:04.055>actually <00:31:04.288>writing <00:31:04.521>code <00:31:04.755>anymore.

783
00:31:05.535 --> 00:31:08.675
<00:31:05.535>So <00:31:05.675>it, <00:31:05.815>it <00:31:05.955>sort <00:31:06.095>of, <00:31:06.235>it, <00:31:06.375>it's, <00:31:06.515>I'm <00:31:06.655>trying <00:31:06.795>to <00:31:06.935>sort

784
00:31:08.675 --> 00:31:10.155
<00:31:08.675>of <00:31:08.865>almost <00:31:09.055>put <00:31:09.245>an <00:31:09.436>optimistic <00:31:09.626>spin <00:31:09.816>on <00:31:10.007>it

785
00:31:10.155 --> 00:31:12.675
<00:31:10.155>that <00:31:10.271>maybe <00:31:10.388>we <00:31:10.504>will <00:31:10.621>just <00:31:10.738>use <00:31:10.855>AI <00:31:10.971>to <00:31:11.088>do <00:31:11.205>a <00:31:11.321>lot <00:31:11.438>more <00:31:11.555>learning,

786
00:31:12.775 --> 00:31:14.915
<00:31:12.775>but <00:31:12.915>I'm <00:31:13.055>still <00:31:13.195>in <00:31:13.335>the <00:31:13.475>back <00:31:13.615>of <00:31:13.755>my <00:31:13.895>mind <00:31:14.035>going, <00:31:14.175>but,

787
00:31:15.055 --> 00:31:16.835
<00:31:15.055>but <00:31:15.288>will <00:31:15.521>we, <00:31:15.755>because <00:31:15.988>of <00:31:16.221>the <00:31:16.455>fact

788
00:31:16.835 --> 00:31:20.395
<00:31:16.835>that <00:31:16.962>we <00:31:17.089>are <00:31:17.216>not <00:31:17.344>actually <00:31:17.471>learning <00:31:17.598>it <00:31:17.725>by, <00:31:17.853>by, <00:31:17.980>by <00:31:18.107>applying <00:31:18.235>it,

789
00:31:20.415 --> 00:31:21.755
<00:31:20.415>you <00:31:20.817>know, <00:31:21.219>um, <00:31:21.621>yeah,

790
00:31:22.065 --> 00:31:23.065
<00:31:22.065>Totally <00:31:22.515>agree. <00:31:22.965>I

791
00:31:23.065 --> 00:31:25.635
<00:31:23.065>mean, <00:31:23.240>there's <00:31:23.415>this <00:31:23.590>saying <00:31:23.765>that <00:31:23.940>you <00:31:24.115>have <00:31:24.290>first <00:31:24.465>understand

792
00:31:25.635 --> 00:31:27.875
<00:31:25.635>something <00:31:25.835>really <00:31:26.035>when <00:31:26.235>the <00:31:26.435>first <00:31:26.635>time <00:31:26.835>you <00:31:27.035>explain

793
00:31:27.875 --> 00:31:28.915
<00:31:27.875>it <00:31:28.109>to <00:31:28.343>someone <00:31:28.577>else, <00:31:28.811>right?

794
00:31:29.055 --> 00:31:30.755
<00:31:29.055>And <00:31:29.335>this <00:31:29.615>is <00:31:29.895>not <00:31:30.175>happening <00:31:30.455>anymore

795
00:31:30.755 --> 00:31:33.075
<00:31:30.755>because <00:31:30.988>AI <00:31:31.221>is <00:31:31.455>basically <00:31:31.688>explaining <00:31:31.921>us <00:31:32.155>everything

796
00:31:33.095 --> 00:31:34.635
<00:31:33.095>and <00:31:33.372>then <00:31:33.649>we <00:31:33.926>try <00:31:34.203>to <00:31:34.481>understand.

797
00:31:36.515 --> 00:31:38.885
<00:31:36.515>Yeah, <00:31:36.690>and <00:31:36.865>I <00:31:37.040>mean <00:31:37.215>there's <00:31:37.390>also <00:31:37.565>the, <00:31:37.740>the <00:31:37.915>paradox

798
00:31:38.945 --> 00:31:42.965
<00:31:38.945>of <00:31:39.100>optimization <00:31:39.256>for, <00:31:39.411>uh, <00:31:39.567>uh, <00:31:39.722>for, <00:31:39.878>uh, <00:31:40.033>for <00:31:40.189>performance, <00:31:40.345>like,

799
00:31:43.385 --> 00:31:46.125
<00:31:43.385>uh, <00:31:43.540>um, <00:31:43.696>we <00:31:43.851>use <00:31:44.007>these <00:31:44.162>tools <00:31:44.318>to <00:31:44.473>actually <00:31:44.629>save <00:31:44.785>time

800
00:31:46.345 --> 00:31:48.445
<00:31:46.345>and <00:31:46.472>then <00:31:46.599>like <00:31:46.726>what <00:31:46.854>do <00:31:46.981>we <00:31:47.108>do <00:31:47.235>with <00:31:47.363>the <00:31:47.490>time <00:31:47.617>left <00:31:47.745>over?

801
00:31:48.515 --> 00:31:51.925
<00:31:48.515>Like <00:31:48.655>we <00:31:48.795>could <00:31:48.935>use <00:31:49.075>that <00:31:49.215>to <00:31:49.355>allow <00:31:49.495>our <00:31:49.635>engineers <00:31:49.775>to <00:31:49.915>train,

802
00:31:52.025 --> 00:31:54.845
<00:31:52.025>to <00:31:52.180>learn <00:31:52.336>things, <00:31:52.491>to <00:31:52.647>understand <00:31:52.802>what <00:31:52.958>the <00:31:53.113>language <00:31:53.269>is <00:31:53.425>about,

803
00:31:54.865 --> 00:31:56.125
<00:31:54.865>to <00:31:55.243>understand <00:31:55.621>the <00:31:55.999>basics.

804
00:31:56.125 --> 00:31:58.445
<00:31:56.125>You <00:31:56.325>know, <00:31:56.525>like, <00:31:56.725>because <00:31:56.925>the, <00:31:57.125>the, <00:31:57.325>I <00:31:57.525>think

805
00:31:58.625 --> 00:32:01.405
<00:31:58.625>to <00:31:58.741>become <00:31:58.858>a <00:31:58.975>code <00:31:59.091>code <00:31:59.208>reviewer, <00:31:59.325>you <00:31:59.441>have <00:31:59.558>to <00:31:59.675>have <00:31:59.791>made <00:31:59.908>a <00:32:00.025>lot

806
00:32:01.405 --> 00:32:02.445
<00:32:01.405>of <00:32:01.873>mistakes <00:32:02.341>yourself.

807
00:32:03.025 --> 00:32:05.565
<00:32:03.025>You <00:32:03.165>actually <00:32:03.305>have <00:32:03.445>to <00:32:03.585>have <00:32:03.725>the, <00:32:03.865>the <00:32:04.005>pain <00:32:04.145>of <00:32:04.285>like, <00:32:04.425>uh,

808
00:32:05.675 --> 00:32:06.885
<00:32:05.675>realizing <00:32:06.038>this <00:32:06.401>is <00:32:06.764>s**t.

809
00:32:06.945 --> 00:32:08.645
<00:32:06.945>Uh, <00:32:07.120>you <00:32:07.294>shouldn't <00:32:07.470>be, <00:32:07.645>shouldn't <00:32:07.820>do <00:32:07.995>it <00:32:08.169>that <00:32:08.345>way.

810
00:32:09.305 --> 00:32:12.125
<00:32:09.305>And <00:32:09.460>or <00:32:09.616>the, <00:32:09.771>the, <00:32:09.927>like <00:32:10.082>that <00:32:10.238>that <00:32:10.393>loop <00:32:10.549>costs <00:32:10.705>me

811
00:32:12.125 --> 00:32:14.405
<00:32:12.125>that <00:32:12.280>much <00:32:12.436>amount <00:32:12.591>of <00:32:12.747>ram <00:32:12.902>that <00:32:13.058>I <00:32:13.213>didn't <00:32:13.369>think <00:32:13.525>of,

812
00:32:14.435 --> 00:32:15.445
<00:32:14.435>like <00:32:14.662>these <00:32:14.889>kind <00:32:15.116>of <00:32:15.344>things.

813
00:32:15.745 --> 00:32:17.165
<00:32:15.745>We <00:32:15.927>never <00:32:16.110>get <00:32:16.292>the <00:32:16.475>chance <00:32:16.657>to <00:32:16.840>do <00:32:17.023>that,

814
00:32:17.305 --> 00:32:21.245
<00:32:17.305>but <00:32:17.432>we <00:32:17.559>are, <00:32:17.686>uh, <00:32:17.814>we <00:32:17.941>are <00:32:18.068>always <00:32:18.195>optimizing <00:32:18.323>our <00:32:18.450>time <00:32:18.577>to, <00:32:18.705>uh,

815
00:32:21.305 --> 00:32:23.445
<00:32:21.305>to <00:32:21.585>then <00:32:21.865>free <00:32:22.145>time <00:32:22.425>for <00:32:22.705>what?

816
00:32:23.705 --> 00:32:26.605
<00:32:23.705>For <00:32:23.860>creating <00:32:24.016>more <00:32:24.171>code <00:32:24.327>that <00:32:24.482>nobody <00:32:24.638>needs, <00:32:24.793>rather <00:32:24.949>than <00:32:25.105>just

817
00:32:27.285 --> 00:32:28.445
<00:32:27.285>training <00:32:27.807>our <00:32:28.329>engineers

818
00:32:28.465 --> 00:32:30.365
<00:32:28.465>or <00:32:28.745>allowing <00:32:29.024>our <00:32:29.304>engineers <00:32:29.584>to <00:32:29.865>actually

819
00:32:30.945 --> 00:32:32.605
<00:32:30.945>get <00:32:31.294>acquainted <00:32:31.645>with <00:32:31.995>the <00:32:32.345>technology.

820
00:32:32.745 --> 00:32:35.765
<00:32:32.745>And <00:32:32.900>I, <00:32:33.056>I <00:32:33.211>would <00:32:33.367>love <00:32:33.522>companies <00:32:33.678>to <00:32:33.833>actually <00:32:33.989>understand <00:32:34.145>that,

821
00:32:35.765 --> 00:32:38.365
<00:32:35.765>that <00:32:35.965>basically <00:32:36.165>if <00:32:36.365>you're <00:32:36.565>spending <00:32:36.765>money <00:32:36.965>on <00:32:37.165>technology

822
00:32:38.425 --> 00:32:41.685
<00:32:38.425>to <00:32:38.600>make <00:32:38.774>your <00:32:38.950>developers <00:32:39.125>more <00:32:39.300>efficient, <00:32:39.475>use <00:32:39.649>that <00:32:39.825>time

823
00:32:41.825 --> 00:32:43.165
<00:32:41.825>for <00:32:42.126>them <00:32:42.428>to <00:32:42.729>teach <00:32:43.031>themselves

824
00:32:43.345 --> 00:32:45.445
<00:32:43.345>and <00:32:43.545>each <00:32:43.745>other, <00:32:43.945>you <00:32:44.145>know, <00:32:44.345>like <00:32:44.545>that's <00:32:44.745>when,

825
00:32:45.955 --> 00:32:48.485
<00:32:45.955>when <00:32:46.110>I <00:32:46.266>always <00:32:46.421>forced <00:32:46.577>my <00:32:46.732>companies <00:32:46.888>to <00:32:47.043>give <00:32:47.199>us <00:32:47.355>time

826
00:32:48.485 --> 00:32:51.125
<00:32:48.485>to <00:32:48.625>actually <00:32:48.764>give <00:32:48.905>talks <00:32:49.044>to <00:32:49.185>each <00:32:49.324>other <00:32:49.465>in <00:32:49.604>the <00:32:49.745>engineering <00:32:49.885>team

827
00:32:51.185 --> 00:32:54.445
<00:32:51.185>to <00:32:51.312>do <00:32:51.439>like, <00:32:51.566>uh, <00:32:51.694>uh, <00:32:51.821>lightning <00:32:51.948>talks <00:32:52.075>to <00:32:52.203>do <00:32:52.330>like <00:32:52.457>hack <00:32:52.585>days

828
00:32:54.445 --> 00:32:56.365
<00:32:54.445>where <00:32:54.678>we <00:32:54.911>just <00:32:55.145>played <00:32:55.378>with <00:32:55.611>our <00:32:55.845>projects

829
00:32:56.425 --> 00:32:58.125
<00:32:56.425>and <00:32:56.705>like, <00:32:56.985>like <00:32:57.264>work <00:32:57.544>them <00:32:57.825>around

830
00:32:58.185 --> 00:33:01.605
<00:32:58.185>and <00:32:58.325>not <00:32:58.465>like, <00:32:58.605>okay, <00:32:58.745>now <00:32:58.885>we <00:32:59.024>have, <00:32:59.165>now <00:32:59.304>we <00:32:59.445>optimized <00:32:59.585>your,

831
00:33:01.675 --> 00:33:04.005
<00:33:01.675>your <00:33:01.955>happiness, <00:33:02.235>uh, <00:33:02.514>your <00:33:02.794>developer <00:33:03.075>happiness

832
00:33:04.385 --> 00:33:07.285
<00:33:04.385>and <00:33:04.585>now <00:33:04.785>make <00:33:04.985>more <00:33:05.185>stuff <00:33:05.385>rather <00:33:05.585>than <00:33:05.785>like

833
00:33:07.335 --> 00:33:08.605
<00:33:07.335>understand <00:33:07.716>what <00:33:08.097>you're <00:33:08.478>doing.

834
00:33:09.265 --> 00:33:10.315
<00:33:09.265>Yeah. <00:33:09.737>So, <00:33:10.210>uh,

835
00:33:10.475 --> 00:33:13.915
<00:33:10.475>I <00:33:10.602>remember <00:33:10.729>two <00:33:10.856>years <00:33:10.984>ago <00:33:11.111>when <00:33:11.238>Gab <00:33:11.365>copilot <00:33:11.493>really <00:33:11.620>got <00:33:11.747>his <00:33:11.875>the

836
00:33:13.915 --> 00:33:17.995
<00:33:13.915>first <00:33:14.055>real <00:33:14.195>hype, <00:33:14.335>and <00:33:14.475>it <00:33:14.615>was <00:33:14.754>like <00:33:14.895>GBT <00:33:15.034>four <00:33:15.175>back <00:33:15.315>then.

837
00:33:18.575 --> 00:33:21.875
<00:33:18.575>One <00:33:18.715>of <00:33:18.855>one <00:33:18.995>CEO <00:33:19.135>asked <00:33:19.275>me, <00:33:19.415>Julia, <00:33:19.555>how <00:33:19.695>many, <00:33:19.835>uh, <00:33:19.975>one,

838
00:33:22.095 --> 00:33:23.955
<00:33:22.095>how <00:33:22.270>many <00:33:22.445>developers <00:33:22.620>can <00:33:22.795>I <00:33:22.970>lay <00:33:23.145>off <00:33:23.320>when <00:33:23.495>I

839
00:33:23.955 --> 00:33:25.115
<00:33:23.955>now <00:33:24.216>use <00:33:24.476>GI <00:33:24.738>Up <00:33:24.999>copilot?

840
00:33:25.115 --> 00:33:28.155
<00:33:25.115>Right? <00:33:25.270>And <00:33:25.426>I <00:33:25.581>was, <00:33:25.737>I <00:33:25.892>was <00:33:26.048>shaking <00:33:26.203>at <00:33:26.359>that <00:33:26.515>time.

841
00:33:28.715 --> 00:33:31.635
<00:33:28.715>I <00:33:28.889>was <00:33:29.064>like <00:33:29.240>the <00:33:29.415>audacity <00:33:29.590>to <00:33:29.764>ask <00:33:29.939>me <00:33:30.115>that.

842
00:33:32.255 --> 00:33:35.555
<00:33:32.255>Um, <00:33:32.410>but <00:33:32.566>this, <00:33:32.721>the <00:33:32.877>current <00:33:33.032>reality <00:33:33.188>we <00:33:33.343>are <00:33:33.499>facing, <00:33:33.655>right?

843
00:33:35.585 --> 00:33:37.115
<00:33:35.585>They <00:33:35.860>are <00:33:36.135>not <00:33:36.411>laying <00:33:36.686>off <00:33:36.962>developers,

844
00:33:37.215 --> 00:33:38.955
<00:33:37.215>but <00:33:37.495>they <00:33:37.774>actually <00:33:38.054>expect <00:33:38.334>the <00:33:38.615>developers

845
00:33:38.975 --> 00:33:40.235
<00:33:38.975>to <00:33:39.258>just <00:33:39.542>produce <00:33:39.825>more <00:33:40.109>code.

846
00:33:40.235 --> 00:33:42.315
<00:33:40.235>And <00:33:40.375>then <00:33:40.514>we <00:33:40.655>are <00:33:40.794>circling <00:33:40.935>back <00:33:41.074>to <00:33:41.215>what <00:33:41.354>we <00:33:41.495>had <00:33:41.635>before.

847
00:33:42.825 --> 00:33:45.835
<00:33:42.825>It's <00:33:42.980>more <00:33:43.136>code <00:33:43.291>better. <00:33:43.447>And <00:33:43.602>the <00:33:43.758>answer <00:33:43.913>is <00:33:44.069>usually <00:33:44.225>no.

848
00:33:46.735 --> 00:33:49.715
<00:33:46.735>No. <00:33:46.862>Well, <00:33:46.989>I <00:33:47.116>mean, <00:33:47.244>that <00:33:47.371>also <00:33:47.498>ties <00:33:47.625>back <00:33:47.753>to <00:33:47.880>the <00:33:48.007>whole <00:33:48.135>idea

849
00:33:49.735 --> 00:33:52.555
<00:33:49.735>of <00:33:49.862>the <00:33:49.989>full <00:33:50.116>stack <00:33:50.244>developer, <00:33:50.371>which <00:33:50.498>I <00:33:50.625>still <00:33:50.753>think <00:33:50.880>is <00:33:51.007>a <00:33:51.135>myth.

850
00:33:53.195 --> 00:33:54.955
<00:33:53.195>I <00:33:53.428>still <00:33:53.661>don't <00:33:53.895>think <00:33:54.128>that <00:33:54.361>there's <00:33:54.595>anybody

851
00:33:54.985 --> 00:33:56.515
<00:33:54.985>that <00:33:55.260>can <00:33:55.535>cover <00:33:55.811>the <00:33:56.086>whole <00:33:56.362>stack

852
00:33:56.615 --> 00:33:58.595
<00:33:56.615>and <00:33:56.790>actually <00:33:56.965>be <00:33:57.140>an <00:33:57.315>expert <00:33:57.490>in <00:33:57.665>all <00:33:57.840>the <00:33:58.015>bits

853
00:33:58.595 --> 00:34:01.715
<00:33:58.595>or <00:33:58.735>know <00:33:58.875>what <00:33:59.015>not <00:33:59.155>to <00:33:59.295>do, <00:33:59.435>to <00:33:59.575>not <00:33:59.715>cause <00:33:59.855>an <00:33:59.995>outage.

854
00:34:02.215 --> 00:34:04.595
<00:34:02.215>You <00:34:02.370>know, <00:34:02.526>like <00:34:02.681>the, <00:34:02.837>the, <00:34:02.992>the, <00:34:03.148>when <00:34:03.303>people <00:34:03.459>said <00:34:03.615>like,

855
00:34:04.595 --> 00:34:05.875
<00:34:04.595>oh <00:34:04.825>yeah, <00:34:05.055>you're <00:34:05.286>a <00:34:05.516>full <00:34:05.747>stack

856
00:34:05.875 --> 00:34:06.955
<00:34:05.875>developer, <00:34:06.199>that's <00:34:06.523>f*****g <00:34:06.847>amazing.

857
00:34:06.955 --> 00:34:08.715
<00:34:06.955>And <00:34:07.110>you're <00:34:07.266>like, <00:34:07.421>well, <00:34:07.577>that <00:34:07.732>basically <00:34:07.888>means <00:34:08.043>you <00:34:08.199>wanna <00:34:08.355>hire

858
00:34:08.855 --> 00:34:09.995
<00:34:08.855>one <00:34:09.111>person <00:34:09.368>instead <00:34:09.624>of <00:34:09.880>three.

859
00:34:10.545 --> 00:34:13.795
<00:34:10.545>Yeah. <00:34:10.745>And <00:34:10.945>I've <00:34:11.145>never <00:34:11.345>seen, <00:34:11.545>uh, <00:34:11.745>the <00:34:11.945>most,

860
00:34:13.975 --> 00:34:15.955
<00:34:13.975>uh, <00:34:14.324>I <00:34:14.674>just <00:34:15.025>swear, <00:34:15.375>sorry.

861
00:34:16.295 --> 00:34:20.115
<00:34:16.295>Uh, <00:34:16.435>the, <00:34:16.575>um, <00:34:16.715>the <00:34:16.855>most <00:34:16.995>effective <00:34:17.135>teams <00:34:17.275>I've <00:34:17.415>seen <00:34:17.555>were <00:34:17.695>teams

862
00:34:20.215 --> 00:34:22.035
<00:34:20.215>of <00:34:20.681>T-shaped <00:34:21.148>developers, <00:34:21.615>people

863
00:34:22.035 --> 00:34:24.555
<00:34:22.034>that <00:34:22.210>actually <00:34:22.384>knew <00:34:22.560>the <00:34:22.734>breadth <00:34:22.909>of <00:34:23.085>the <00:34:23.259>con <00:34:23.435>product,

864
00:34:24.815 --> 00:34:26.515
<00:34:24.815>but <00:34:25.014>also <00:34:25.215>were <00:34:25.415>experts <00:34:25.615>in <00:34:25.815>one <00:34:26.014>of <00:34:26.215>them,

865
00:34:27.055 --> 00:34:29.275
<00:34:27.054>and <00:34:27.288>they <00:34:27.521>actually <00:34:27.754>working <00:34:27.988>together <00:34:28.221>and, <00:34:28.455>uh,

866
00:34:29.295 --> 00:34:32.715
<00:34:29.295>and <00:34:29.495>uh, <00:34:29.695>uh, <00:34:29.895>like, <00:34:30.095>uh, <00:34:30.295>uh, <00:34:30.495>coding <00:34:30.695>together

867
00:34:33.135 --> 00:34:34.515
<00:34:33.135>and <00:34:33.445>actually <00:34:33.755>finding <00:34:34.066>things <00:34:34.377>out.

868
00:34:34.575 --> 00:34:37.595
<00:34:34.574>Me <00:34:34.702>sitting <00:34:34.829>down <00:34:34.956>together <00:34:35.084>with <00:34:35.211>a <00:34:35.338>designer <00:34:35.465>as <00:34:35.593>a <00:34:35.720>front <00:34:35.847>end <00:34:35.975>guy

869
00:34:37.815 --> 00:34:39.875
<00:34:37.815>and <00:34:37.970>basically <00:34:38.126>just, <00:34:38.281>oh, <00:34:38.437>look <00:34:38.592>at <00:34:38.748>the, <00:34:38.903>look <00:34:39.059>at <00:34:39.215>that.

870
00:34:39.875 --> 00:34:42.835
<00:34:39.875>This <00:34:40.002>is <00:34:40.129>what <00:34:40.256>I <00:34:40.384>can <00:34:40.511>do. <00:34:40.638>Or <00:34:40.765>could <00:34:40.893>you <00:34:41.020>also <00:34:41.147>do <00:34:41.275>that?

871
00:34:43.135 --> 00:34:44.555
<00:34:43.135>You <00:34:43.348>know, <00:34:43.561>like <00:34:43.774>the, <00:34:43.987>the, <00:34:44.199>the <00:34:44.413>back

872
00:34:44.555 --> 00:34:46.795
<00:34:44.554>and <00:34:44.788>forth <00:34:45.021>between <00:34:45.254>experts <00:34:45.488>was <00:34:45.721>a <00:34:45.955>thing

873
00:34:46.795 --> 00:34:48.675
<00:34:46.795>that <00:34:47.028>made <00:34:47.261>the <00:34:47.495>product <00:34:47.728>so <00:34:47.961>much <00:34:48.195>better.

874
00:34:49.175 --> 00:34:51.515
<00:34:49.175>But <00:34:49.315>nowadays <00:34:49.455>we <00:34:49.595>just <00:34:49.735>say <00:34:49.875>like, <00:34:50.015>let's <00:34:50.155>optimize <00:34:50.295>all <00:34:50.435>of <00:34:50.575>that

875
00:34:51.535 --> 00:34:54.355
<00:34:51.534>and <00:34:51.674>create <00:34:51.815>an <00:34:51.955>agent <00:34:52.094>that <00:34:52.234>you, <00:34:52.375>you <00:34:52.514>have <00:34:52.654>a <00:34:52.795>design <00:34:52.935>agent

876
00:34:54.505 --> 00:34:56.075
<00:34:54.505>that <00:34:54.785>can <00:34:55.065>answer <00:34:55.345>your, <00:34:55.625>your <00:34:55.905>questions.

877
00:34:56.585 --> 00:34:58.435
<00:34:56.585>Yeah. <00:34:56.784>And <00:34:56.985>also <00:34:57.185>like <00:34:57.385>a <00:34:57.585>full <00:34:57.785>stack <00:34:57.985>developer,

878
00:34:58.435 --> 00:35:00.115
<00:34:58.435>it's <00:34:58.785>not <00:34:59.134>only <00:34:59.485>development <00:34:59.835>anymore.

879
00:35:00.185 --> 00:35:03.155
<00:35:00.185>When <00:35:00.325>you <00:35:00.465>are <00:35:00.605>a <00:35:00.745>full <00:35:00.884>stack <00:35:01.025>developers, <00:35:01.165>they <00:35:01.305>also <00:35:01.445>expect <00:35:01.585>you

880
00:35:03.155 --> 00:35:06.875
<00:35:03.155>to <00:35:03.330>be <00:35:03.505>like <00:35:03.680>an <00:35:03.855>expert <00:35:04.030>in <00:35:04.205>Kubernetes <00:35:04.380>and <00:35:04.555>containerization

881
00:35:06.975 --> 00:35:08.355
<00:35:06.975>and <00:35:07.596>distributed <00:35:08.217>systems

882
00:35:08.695 --> 00:35:11.435
<00:35:08.695>and <00:35:08.975>cloud <00:35:09.255>every <00:35:09.535>cloud <00:35:09.815>possibly, <00:35:10.095>right?

883
00:35:12.055 --> 00:35:16.115
<00:35:12.055>Um, <00:35:12.254>and <00:35:12.455>on-premise <00:35:12.654>systems, <00:35:12.855>uh, <00:35:13.055>systems <00:35:13.254>and <00:35:13.455>networking

884
00:35:16.255 --> 00:35:18.395
<00:35:16.255>and <00:35:16.430>how <00:35:16.605>should <00:35:16.780>a <00:35:16.955>single <00:35:17.130>person <00:35:17.305>actually <00:35:17.480>do <00:35:17.655>that?

885
00:35:18.555 --> 00:35:19.795
<00:35:18.555>I <00:35:18.778>also <00:35:19.001>never <00:35:19.224>met <00:35:19.447>a <00:35:19.671>person

886
00:35:19.935 --> 00:35:22.195
<00:35:19.935>who <00:35:20.168>was <00:35:20.401>like <00:35:20.634>the <00:35:20.868>best <00:35:21.101>in <00:35:21.335>everything.

887
00:35:22.535 --> 00:35:24.075
<00:35:22.535>Um, <00:35:22.732>but <00:35:22.931>I've <00:35:23.129>met <00:35:23.327>very, <00:35:23.524>very <00:35:23.723>good <00:35:23.921>people

888
00:35:24.075 --> 00:35:26.515
<00:35:24.075>who <00:35:24.230>are <00:35:24.386>like <00:35:24.541>very <00:35:24.697>dedicated <00:35:24.852>to <00:35:25.008>front <00:35:25.163>end <00:35:25.319>or <00:35:25.475>backend,

889
00:35:26.515 --> 00:35:28.075
<00:35:26.515>and <00:35:26.795>they <00:35:27.075>work <00:35:27.355>very <00:35:27.634>effectively <00:35:27.915>together.

890
00:35:29.155 --> 00:35:30.675
<00:35:29.155>I <00:35:29.307>think <00:35:29.459>if <00:35:29.611>you <00:35:29.763>have <00:35:29.915>to <00:35:30.067>cover <00:35:30.219>the <00:35:30.371>whole <00:35:30.523>stack,

891
00:35:30.675 --> 00:35:32.435
<00:35:30.675>you <00:35:30.875>cannot <00:35:31.075>be <00:35:31.275>passionate <00:35:31.475>about <00:35:31.675>any <00:35:31.875>of <00:35:32.075>it.

892
00:35:32.745 --> 00:35:35.485
<00:35:32.745>Yeah. <00:35:32.978>And <00:35:33.211>passion <00:35:33.444>to <00:35:33.678>me <00:35:33.911>makes <00:35:34.145>quality.

893
00:35:37.005 --> 00:35:38.755
<00:35:37.005>Yeah. <00:35:38.405>Interesting.

894
00:35:38.815 --> 00:35:41.675
<00:35:38.815>Uh, <00:35:38.955>I, <00:35:39.095>I <00:35:39.235>asked <00:35:39.375>that <00:35:39.515>on <00:35:39.655>social <00:35:39.795>media <00:35:39.935>earlier <00:35:40.075>as <00:35:40.215>well.

895
00:35:41.675 --> 00:35:44.275
<00:35:41.675>Like <00:35:41.802>one <00:35:41.929>of <00:35:42.056>the <00:35:42.184>things <00:35:42.311>in <00:35:42.438>the <00:35:42.565>Stack <00:35:42.693>Overflow <00:35:42.820>survey <00:35:42.947>was <00:35:43.075>web

896
00:35:44.275 --> 00:35:47.715
<00:35:44.275>frameworks <00:35:44.475>and <00:35:44.675>technologies <00:35:44.875>and <00:35:45.075>the <00:35:45.275>usage <00:35:45.475>of <00:35:45.675>it.

897
00:35:47.775 --> 00:35:49.755
<00:35:47.775>And <00:35:47.950>I <00:35:48.125>love <00:35:48.300>that. <00:35:48.475>No, <00:35:48.650>JS <00:35:48.825>is <00:35:49.000>of <00:35:49.175>course,

898
00:35:49.755 --> 00:35:52.555
<00:35:49.755>the <00:35:49.895>big <00:35:50.035>winner <00:35:50.175>React <00:35:50.315>is <00:35:50.455>next, <00:35:50.595>but <00:35:50.735>then <00:35:50.875>is <00:35:51.015>Jake <00:35:51.155>Barry

899
00:35:52.555 --> 00:35:53.915
<00:35:52.555>before <00:35:52.962>all <00:35:53.371>the <00:35:53.779>others?

900
00:35:54.465 --> 00:35:57.915
<00:35:54.465>Yeah, <00:35:54.592>I <00:35:54.719>pacer <00:35:54.846>it <00:35:54.974>earlier <00:35:55.101>in <00:35:55.228>a <00:35:55.355>group <00:35:55.483>chat <00:35:55.610>to <00:35:55.737>my <00:35:55.865>colleagues

901
00:35:57.935 --> 00:35:59.195
<00:35:57.935>and <00:35:58.161>we <00:35:58.388>could <00:35:58.615>not <00:35:58.842>believe <00:35:59.069>it.

902
00:35:59.305 --> 00:36:02.715
<00:35:59.305>It's <00:35:59.480>2025 <00:35:59.654>and <00:35:59.830>jQuery <00:36:00.004>is <00:36:00.180>still <00:36:00.355>on <00:36:00.529>place <00:36:00.705>three,

903
00:36:03.015 --> 00:36:05.515
<00:36:03.015>but <00:36:03.190>have <00:36:03.365>you <00:36:03.540>also <00:36:03.714>seen <00:36:03.890>that <00:36:04.065>Notepad <00:36:04.240>Plus <00:36:04.415>Plus

904
00:36:05.575 --> 00:36:07.915
<00:36:05.575>and <00:36:05.774>the <00:36:05.975>IDs <00:36:06.174>is <00:36:06.375>also <00:36:06.575>on <00:36:06.774>place <00:36:06.975>three?

905
00:36:08.105 --> 00:36:11.155
<00:36:08.105>This <00:36:08.280>is <00:36:08.455>almost <00:36:08.630>more, <00:36:08.805>it, <00:36:08.980>it's <00:36:09.155>almost <00:36:09.330>as <00:36:09.505>shocking

906
00:36:11.155 --> 00:36:12.475
<00:36:11.155>as <00:36:11.452>jQuery <00:36:11.749>in <00:36:12.046>my <00:36:12.343>opinion.

907
00:36:13.585 --> 00:36:16.075
<00:36:13.585>Well, <00:36:13.725>I <00:36:13.865>mean, <00:36:14.005>it, <00:36:14.145>it, <00:36:14.285>it <00:36:14.425>may <00:36:14.565>give <00:36:14.705>a <00:36:14.845>point <00:36:14.985>about

908
00:36:16.135 --> 00:36:17.475
<00:36:16.135>who <00:36:16.537>uses <00:36:16.939>that <00:36:17.341>overflow.

909
00:36:17.745 --> 00:36:19.875
<00:36:17.745>That <00:36:17.944>might <00:36:18.145>be <00:36:18.345>an <00:36:18.545>insight <00:36:18.745>there <00:36:18.944>as <00:36:19.145>well.

910
00:36:20.375 --> 00:36:22.635
<00:36:20.375>But <00:36:20.550>I <00:36:20.725>mean, <00:36:20.900>the <00:36:21.075>Jaque <00:36:21.250>usage, <00:36:21.425>I'm <00:36:21.600>not <00:36:21.775>surprised

911
00:36:22.635 --> 00:36:25.275
<00:36:22.635>because, <00:36:22.915>uh, <00:36:23.195>basically <00:36:23.475>every <00:36:23.755>WordPress <00:36:24.035>instance

912
00:36:25.285 --> 00:36:26.315
<00:36:25.285>comes <00:36:25.594>with <00:36:25.903>Jake <00:36:26.212>Query.

913
00:36:26.695 --> 00:36:29.395
<00:36:26.695>And, <00:36:26.822>uh, <00:36:26.949>if <00:36:27.076>you <00:36:27.204>have <00:36:27.331>to <00:36:27.458>maintain <00:36:27.585>that, <00:36:27.713>that <00:36:27.840>probably <00:36:27.967>do <00:36:28.095>it.

914
00:36:29.835 --> 00:36:31.355
<00:36:29.835>I <00:36:30.006>mean, <00:36:30.177>Jake <00:36:30.348>Query <00:36:30.519>to <00:36:30.690>me <00:36:30.861>was <00:36:31.032>the <00:36:31.203>first

915
00:36:31.355 --> 00:36:32.555
<00:36:31.355>kind <00:36:31.625>of <00:36:31.895>vibe <00:36:32.165>coding <00:36:32.435>thing.

916
00:36:32.555 --> 00:36:35.715
<00:36:32.555>Like, <00:36:32.710>it, <00:36:32.866>it <00:36:33.021>took <00:36:33.177>the <00:36:33.332>complexity <00:36:33.488>of <00:36:33.643>JavaScript <00:36:33.799>away <00:36:33.955>mm-hmm.

917
00:36:35.855 --> 00:36:38.275
<00:36:35.855>By <00:36:36.030>making <00:36:36.205>it <00:36:36.380>easier <00:36:36.555>to <00:36:36.730>interact <00:36:36.905>with <00:36:37.080>the <00:36:37.255>dom,

918
00:36:38.895 --> 00:36:39.955
<00:36:38.895>but <00:36:39.133>it <00:36:39.372>also <00:36:39.610>allowed <00:36:39.849>you

919
00:36:39.955 --> 00:36:42.555
<00:36:39.955>to <00:36:40.095>shoot <00:36:40.235>yourself <00:36:40.375>in <00:36:40.515>the <00:36:40.654>foot <00:36:40.795>in <00:36:40.935>a <00:36:41.075>wonderful <00:36:41.215>new <00:36:41.355>fashion.

920
00:36:43.215 --> 00:36:45.595
<00:36:43.215>You <00:36:43.448>know, <00:36:43.681>like <00:36:43.915>people <00:36:44.148>just <00:36:44.381>didn't <00:36:44.615>understand

921
00:36:45.595 --> 00:36:49.355
<00:36:45.595>that <00:36:45.711>if <00:36:45.828>you <00:36:45.944>do <00:36:46.061>a <00:36:46.178>dollar <00:36:46.294>dollar <00:36:46.411>a <00:36:46.528>dot, <00:36:46.645>uh, <00:36:46.761>uh, <00:36:46.878>at <00:36:46.995>uh,

922
00:36:49.495 --> 00:36:53.635
<00:36:49.495>dot <00:36:49.650>click, <00:36:49.806>it <00:36:49.961>created <00:36:50.117>event <00:36:50.272>handlers <00:36:50.428>on <00:36:50.583>every <00:36:50.739>single, <00:36:50.895>uh,

923
00:36:53.705 --> 00:36:56.315
<00:36:53.705>link <00:36:53.904>in <00:36:54.105>that <00:36:54.305>page <00:36:54.505>rather <00:36:54.705>than <00:36:54.904>one, <00:36:55.105>uh,

924
00:36:56.325 --> 00:36:59.475
<00:36:56.325>event <00:36:56.452>delegated <00:36:56.579>link <00:36:56.706>on <00:36:56.834>top <00:36:56.961>of <00:36:57.088>the <00:36:57.215>pain <00:36:57.343>of <00:36:57.470>the <00:36:57.597>main <00:36:57.725>element.

925
00:36:59.615 --> 00:37:01.155
<00:36:59.615>It <00:36:59.892>didn't <00:37:00.169>optimize <00:37:00.446>under <00:37:00.723>the <00:37:01.001>hood,

926
00:37:01.155 --> 00:37:02.955
<00:37:01.155>which <00:37:01.330>is <00:37:01.505>something <00:37:01.680>I <00:37:01.855>would've <00:37:02.030>loved <00:37:02.205>it <00:37:02.380>to <00:37:02.555>do,

927
00:37:03.375 --> 00:37:06.635
<00:37:03.375>but <00:37:03.515>it <00:37:03.655>was <00:37:03.795>basically <00:37:03.935>allowing <00:37:04.075>you <00:37:04.215>to, <00:37:04.355>to <00:37:04.495>run <00:37:04.635>Rough <00:37:04.775>Shot

928
00:37:06.635 --> 00:37:09.195
<00:37:06.635>through <00:37:06.810>the <00:37:06.985>dome <00:37:07.160>and <00:37:07.335>then <00:37:07.510>wondering <00:37:07.685>why <00:37:07.860>your <00:37:08.035>thing

929
00:37:09.195 --> 00:37:10.715
<00:37:09.195>didn't, <00:37:09.651>uh, <00:37:10.107>didn't <00:37:10.563>perform.

930
00:37:11.535 --> 00:37:13.755
<00:37:11.535>So, <00:37:11.690>I <00:37:11.846>mean, <00:37:12.001>we <00:37:12.157>had <00:37:12.312>nothing <00:37:12.468>else <00:37:12.623>back <00:37:12.779>then, <00:37:12.935>right?

931
00:37:13.845 --> 00:37:16.635
<00:37:13.845>React <00:37:14.000>did <00:37:14.156>not <00:37:14.311>exist <00:37:14.467>at <00:37:14.622>that <00:37:14.778>time <00:37:14.933>when <00:37:15.089>jQuery <00:37:15.245>appeared.

932
00:37:17.175 --> 00:37:19.955
<00:37:17.175>Um, <00:37:17.330>and <00:37:17.486>we <00:37:17.641>just <00:37:17.797>need, <00:37:17.952>we <00:37:18.108>ge <00:37:18.263>needed <00:37:18.419>a <00:37:18.575>solution

933
00:37:19.955 --> 00:37:21.315
<00:37:19.955>to <00:37:20.261>make <00:37:20.567>JavaScript <00:37:20.873>more <00:37:21.179>simple

934
00:37:21.335 --> 00:37:23.155
<00:37:21.335>and <00:37:21.568>jQuery <00:37:21.801>was <00:37:22.035>the <00:37:22.268>solution <00:37:22.501>back <00:37:22.735>then.

935
00:37:23.175 --> 00:37:25.715
<00:37:23.175>And <00:37:23.375>this <00:37:23.575>why <00:37:23.775>it's, <00:37:23.975>it's, <00:37:24.175>it's <00:37:24.375>a <00:37:24.575>theory

936
00:37:26.045 --> 00:37:27.635
<00:37:26.045>where <00:37:26.325>it's <00:37:26.605>still <00:37:26.885>heavily <00:37:27.165>in <00:37:27.445>news

937
00:37:27.635 --> 00:37:29.995
<00:37:27.635>because <00:37:27.868>we <00:37:28.101>haven't <00:37:28.335>just, <00:37:28.568>why <00:37:28.801>would <00:37:29.035>we

938
00:37:30.545 --> 00:37:32.875
<00:37:30.545>modernize <00:37:30.825>an <00:37:31.105>application <00:37:31.385>that's <00:37:31.665>running, <00:37:31.945>right?

939
00:37:32.905 --> 00:37:36.755
<00:37:32.905>This <00:37:33.060>is <00:37:33.216>the <00:37:33.371>whole <00:37:33.527>reasoning <00:37:33.682>behind <00:37:33.838>that, <00:37:33.993>um, <00:37:34.149>to, <00:37:34.305>um,

940
00:37:36.755 --> 00:37:39.395
<00:37:36.755>like <00:37:36.955>React <00:37:37.155>or <00:37:37.355>View <00:37:37.555>or <00:37:37.755>Angular <00:37:37.955>or <00:37:38.155>something.

941
00:37:39.615 --> 00:37:41.555
<00:37:39.615>If <00:37:39.848>it's <00:37:40.081>just <00:37:40.314>a <00:37:40.548>simple <00:37:40.781>web <00:37:41.015>application

942
00:37:41.555 --> 00:37:43.915
<00:37:41.555>that <00:37:41.788>runs <00:37:42.021>per <00:37:42.254>perfectly <00:37:42.488>with <00:37:42.721>J <00:37:42.955>Crew,

943
00:37:44.235 --> 00:37:46.435
<00:37:44.235>although <00:37:44.435>you <00:37:44.635>have <00:37:44.835>like <00:37:45.035>an <00:37:45.235>event <00:37:45.435>handler <00:37:45.635>love

944
00:37:46.455 --> 00:37:47.915
<00:37:46.455>for <00:37:46.893>every <00:37:47.331>single <00:37:47.769>letter

945
00:37:47.915 --> 00:37:50.235
<00:37:47.915>that <00:37:48.115>you <00:37:48.315>type <00:37:48.515>into <00:37:48.715>an <00:37:48.915>input, <00:37:49.115>input <00:37:49.315>field.

946
00:37:51.955 --> 00:37:53.675
<00:37:51.955>I <00:37:52.130>mean, <00:37:52.305>I <00:37:52.480>worked <00:37:52.654>on <00:37:52.830>Y <00:37:53.005>UI <00:37:53.180>back <00:37:53.355>then

947
00:37:53.735 --> 00:37:56.035
<00:37:53.735>and <00:37:53.862>there <00:37:53.989>was <00:37:54.116>mood <00:37:54.244>tools <00:37:54.371>and <00:37:54.498>there <00:37:54.625>was <00:37:54.753>like <00:37:54.880>all <00:37:55.007>kind <00:37:55.135>of,

948
00:37:56.075 --> 00:37:59.315
<00:37:56.075>I <00:37:56.202>mean, <00:37:56.329>dojo, <00:37:56.456>there <00:37:56.584>were, <00:37:56.711>but <00:37:56.838>uh, <00:37:56.965>when <00:37:57.093>I <00:37:57.220>wrote <00:37:57.347>for <00:37:57.475>J

949
00:37:59.335 --> 00:38:02.835
<00:37:59.335>and <00:37:59.475>We <00:37:59.615>Want, <00:37:59.755>we <00:37:59.895>found <00:38:00.035>one <00:38:00.175>of <00:38:00.315>27 <00:38:00.455>different <00:38:00.595>HX <00:38:00.735>frameworks

950
00:38:02.835 --> 00:38:06.355
<00:38:02.835>that <00:38:03.010>made <00:38:03.185>JavaScript <00:38:03.360>easier <00:38:03.535>and <00:38:03.710>all <00:38:03.885>of <00:38:04.060>them <00:38:04.235>died

951
00:38:06.355 --> 00:38:08.635
<00:38:06.355>because <00:38:06.510>of, <00:38:06.666>uh, <00:38:06.821>uh, <00:38:06.977>uh, <00:38:07.132>Jake <00:38:07.288>Barry <00:38:07.443>was <00:38:07.599>the <00:38:07.755>one

952
00:38:08.635 --> 00:38:10.915
<00:38:08.635>that <00:38:08.810>actually <00:38:08.985>told <00:38:09.160>you <00:38:09.335>to <00:38:09.510>do <00:38:09.685>more <00:38:09.860>with <00:38:10.035>less.

953
00:38:11.375 --> 00:38:14.475
<00:38:11.375>So <00:38:11.491>that's <00:38:11.608>the <00:38:11.725>kind <00:38:11.841>of <00:38:11.958>like <00:38:12.075>the <00:38:12.191>same <00:38:12.308>carrot <00:38:12.425>we <00:38:12.541>hear <00:38:12.658>with <00:38:12.775>AI

954
00:38:14.655 --> 00:38:16.435
<00:38:14.655>and <00:38:14.935>uh, <00:38:15.215>and <00:38:15.495>vibe <00:38:15.775>coding <00:38:16.055>now.

955
00:38:16.815 --> 00:38:19.315
<00:38:16.815>So <00:38:16.970>it <00:38:17.126>seems <00:38:17.281>like <00:38:17.437>every <00:38:17.592>single <00:38:17.748>time <00:38:17.903>somebody, <00:38:18.059>something <00:38:18.215>like

956
00:38:19.315 --> 00:38:22.315
<00:38:19.315>that <00:38:19.490>wins <00:38:19.665>is <00:38:19.840>by <00:38:20.015>basically <00:38:20.190>telling <00:38:20.365>people, <00:38:20.540>oh, <00:38:20.715>don't,

957
00:38:22.315 --> 00:38:23.355
<00:38:22.315>don't <00:38:22.627>worry <00:38:22.939>about <00:38:23.251>it.

958
00:38:23.495 --> 00:38:25.355
<00:38:23.495>We, <00:38:23.694>we <00:38:23.895>we <00:38:24.095>make <00:38:24.295>it <00:38:24.495>work <00:38:24.694>for <00:38:24.895>you.

959
00:38:25.855 --> 00:38:28.155
<00:38:25.855>And <00:38:25.995>that <00:38:26.135>always <00:38:26.275>scares <00:38:26.415>me <00:38:26.555>that <00:38:26.695>like, <00:38:26.835>I <00:38:26.975>don't <00:38:27.115>trust <00:38:27.255>it

960
00:38:29.415 --> 00:38:30.715
<00:38:29.415>And <00:38:29.649>it's <00:38:29.883>a <00:38:30.117>nice <00:38:30.351>promise, <00:38:30.585>right?

961
00:38:30.715 --> 00:38:31.995
<00:38:30.715>Yeah. <00:38:30.907>This <00:38:31.099>is <00:38:31.291>what <00:38:31.483>we <00:38:31.674>always <00:38:31.866>want.

962
00:38:31.995 --> 00:38:33.195
<00:38:31.995>The <00:38:32.265>developers <00:38:32.535>are <00:38:32.805>always <00:38:33.075>lazy

963
00:38:33.295 --> 00:38:36.325
<00:38:33.295>and <00:38:33.422>they <00:38:33.549>always <00:38:33.676>try <00:38:33.804>to <00:38:33.931>find <00:38:34.058>a <00:38:34.185>way <00:38:34.313>to <00:38:34.440>do <00:38:34.567>the <00:38:34.695>things

964
00:38:36.325 --> 00:38:37.845
<00:38:36.325>that <00:38:36.553>they <00:38:36.781>do <00:38:37.009>in <00:38:37.236>an <00:38:37.464>easier <00:38:37.692>manner.

965
00:38:37.905 --> 00:38:40.885
<00:38:37.905>So <00:38:38.045>in <00:38:38.185>jQuery <00:38:38.325>is <00:38:38.465>one <00:38:38.605>example, <00:38:38.745>and <00:38:38.885>AI <00:38:39.025>is <00:38:39.165>another <00:38:39.305>example.

966
00:38:41.585 --> 00:38:43.965
<00:38:41.585>And <00:38:41.725>in <00:38:41.865>the <00:38:42.005>next <00:38:42.145>10 <00:38:42.285>years, <00:38:42.425>there <00:38:42.565>will <00:38:42.705>be <00:38:42.845>probably <00:38:42.985>more

967
00:38:43.965 --> 00:38:46.405
<00:38:43.965>of <00:38:44.165>these <00:38:44.365>examples <00:38:44.565>actually <00:38:44.765>coming <00:38:44.965>around, <00:38:45.165>standing <00:38:45.365>around

968
00:38:46.405 --> 00:38:47.405
<00:38:46.405>to <00:38:46.630>corner <00:38:46.855>waiting <00:38:47.080>for <00:38:47.305>us.

969
00:38:48.425 --> 00:38:52.945
<00:38:48.425>Hmm <00:38:48.580>mm-hmm. <00:38:48.736>Something <00:38:48.891>for <00:38:49.047>Dan <00:38:49.202>Google <00:38:49.358>released <00:38:49.513>a <00:38:49.669>new <00:38:49.825>font,

970
00:38:53.325 --> 00:38:55.665
<00:38:53.325>uh, <00:38:53.674>or <00:38:54.024>Google <00:38:54.375>font. <00:38:54.725>Um,

971
00:38:56.105 --> 00:38:57.665
<00:38:56.105>I, <00:38:56.245>I <00:38:56.385>knew <00:38:56.525>it <00:38:56.665>was <00:38:56.805>for <00:38:56.945>me <00:38:57.085>when <00:38:57.225>I <00:38:57.365>saw <00:38:57.505>that,

972
00:38:57.705 --> 00:38:58.945
<00:38:57.705>I <00:38:57.864>thought, <00:38:58.023>oh, <00:38:58.183>that's <00:38:58.342>right <00:38:58.502>up <00:38:58.661>my <00:38:58.821>street.

973
00:38:58.945 --> 00:39:00.185
<00:38:58.945>And <00:38:59.084>then <00:38:59.224>I <00:38:59.363>was <00:38:59.503>like, <00:38:59.642>I've <00:38:59.782>fallen <00:38:59.921>for <00:39:00.061>it.

974
00:39:00.415 --> 00:39:02.865
<00:39:00.415>He's <00:39:00.542>put <00:39:00.669>that <00:39:00.796>in <00:39:00.924>there <00:39:01.051>for <00:39:01.178>me. <00:39:01.305>Yeah. <00:39:01.433>I, <00:39:01.560>I <00:39:01.687>love <00:39:01.815>it.

975
00:39:03.645 --> 00:39:06.945
<00:39:03.645>Do <00:39:03.772>you <00:39:03.899>optimi, <00:39:04.026>uh, <00:39:04.154>do <00:39:04.281>you <00:39:04.408>set <00:39:04.535>up <00:39:04.663>your <00:39:04.790>editor <00:39:04.917>a <00:39:05.045>lot

976
00:39:06.945 --> 00:39:09.585
<00:39:06.945>with <00:39:07.145>different <00:39:07.345>li <00:39:07.545>ligatures <00:39:07.745>and <00:39:07.945>fonts <00:39:08.145>and <00:39:08.345>colors

977
00:39:09.645 --> 00:39:12.505
<00:39:09.645>or <00:39:09.800>do <00:39:09.956>you <00:39:10.111>just <00:39:10.267>use <00:39:10.422>what <00:39:10.578>comes <00:39:10.733>outta <00:39:10.889>the <00:39:11.045>box

978
00:39:12.505 --> 00:39:13.625
<00:39:12.505>with <00:39:12.841>vs <00:39:13.177>code? <00:39:13.513>Julia?

979
00:39:13.975 --> 00:39:16.545
<00:39:13.975>Yeah. <00:39:14.130>Pr, <00:39:14.286>oh, <00:39:14.441>sorry, <00:39:14.597>sorry. <00:39:14.752>I, <00:39:14.908>I <00:39:15.063>go <00:39:15.219>from <00:39:15.375>Julia.

980
00:39:17.165 --> 00:39:19.385
<00:39:17.165>No, <00:39:17.398>sir. <00:39:17.631>Okay. <00:39:17.865>Please <00:39:18.098>answer <00:39:18.331>first. <00:39:18.565>How

981
00:39:19.385 --> 00:39:20.825
<00:39:19.385>Do <00:39:19.547>we <00:39:19.709>No, <00:39:19.871>no, <00:39:20.033>your, <00:39:20.195>your <00:39:20.357>answer <00:39:20.519>will <00:39:20.681>be

982
00:39:20.825 --> 00:39:21.945
<00:39:20.825>far <00:39:21.026>more <00:39:21.228>interesting <00:39:21.429>over <00:39:21.631>to <00:39:21.833>you.

983
00:39:22.805 --> 00:39:24.505
<00:39:22.805>No, <00:39:23.038>I <00:39:23.271>don't, <00:39:23.504>I <00:39:23.738>don't <00:39:23.971>at <00:39:24.205>all.

984
00:39:24.585 --> 00:39:28.705
<00:39:24.585>I <00:39:24.701>use <00:39:24.818>the <00:39:24.935>basic, <00:39:25.051>the <00:39:25.168>the <00:39:25.285>basic <00:39:25.401>dark <00:39:25.518>theme <00:39:25.635>of <00:39:25.751>VS <00:39:25.868>code, <00:39:25.985>um,

985
00:39:28.705 --> 00:39:33.025
<00:39:28.705>because <00:39:28.880>everything, <00:39:29.055>so <00:39:29.230>I <00:39:29.404>saw <00:39:29.580>a <00:39:29.755>developer, <00:39:29.930>um, <00:39:30.105>at,

986
00:39:33.025 --> 00:39:34.585
<00:39:33.025>at <00:39:33.258>a <00:39:33.491>hackathon <00:39:33.725>a <00:39:33.958>few <00:39:34.191>months <00:39:34.425>ago.

987
00:39:34.685 --> 00:39:38.105
<00:39:34.685>She <00:39:34.825>had <00:39:34.965>like <00:39:35.105>a <00:39:35.245>whole <00:39:35.384>like <00:39:35.525>pink <00:39:35.665>vs <00:39:35.805>code <00:39:35.945>setup <00:39:36.085>also

988
00:39:38.105 --> 00:39:41.065
<00:39:38.105>with <00:39:38.305>like <00:39:38.505>blinking <00:39:38.705>blinking <00:39:38.905>font <00:39:39.105>here <00:39:39.305>and <00:39:39.505>there.

989
00:39:41.565 --> 00:39:43.345
<00:39:41.565>Um, <00:39:41.798>but <00:39:42.031>it's <00:39:42.265>too <00:39:42.498>overwhelming <00:39:42.731>for <00:39:42.965>me.

990
00:39:43.345 --> 00:39:44.345
<00:39:43.345>You <00:39:43.524>also <00:39:43.705>had <00:39:43.884>a <00:39:44.064>little <00:39:44.245>bit

991
00:39:44.345 --> 00:39:46.985
<00:39:44.345>before, <00:39:44.500>I'm <00:39:44.656>a <00:39:44.811>little <00:39:44.967>bit <00:39:45.122>on <00:39:45.278>the <00:39:45.433>new <00:39:45.589>divergent <00:39:45.745>side,

992
00:39:47.045 --> 00:39:49.665
<00:39:47.045>so <00:39:47.278>everything <00:39:47.511>that's <00:39:47.745>blinking <00:39:47.978>or <00:39:48.211>extra <00:39:48.445>special

993
00:39:49.845 --> 00:39:51.905
<00:39:49.845>or <00:39:50.000>I <00:39:50.156>took <00:39:50.311>a <00:39:50.467>lot <00:39:50.622>of <00:39:50.778>time <00:39:50.933>to <00:39:51.089>hyper <00:39:51.245>fixate

994
00:39:51.925 --> 00:39:53.105
<00:39:51.925>to <00:39:52.190>actually <00:39:52.456>make <00:39:52.721>it <00:39:52.987>better.

995
00:39:53.685 --> 00:39:57.545
<00:39:53.685>It <00:39:53.801>really <00:39:53.918>brings <00:39:54.035>me <00:39:54.151>out <00:39:54.268>of <00:39:54.384>the <00:39:54.501>focus <00:39:54.618>zone <00:39:54.735>that <00:39:54.851>I <00:39:54.968>really <00:39:55.085>need

996
00:39:57.565 --> 00:39:59.905
<00:39:57.565>to <00:39:57.798>work <00:39:58.031>properly <00:39:58.265>when <00:39:58.498>I'm <00:39:58.731>actually <00:39:58.965>coding.

997
00:40:00.615 --> 00:40:02.905
<00:40:00.615>Yeah. <00:40:00.731>I <00:40:00.848>I, <00:40:00.964>I'm <00:40:01.081>kind <00:40:01.198>of <00:40:01.314>the <00:40:01.431>same, <00:40:01.548>to <00:40:01.665>be <00:40:01.781>honest <00:40:01.898>with <00:40:02.015>you.

998
00:40:03.025 --> 00:40:04.345
<00:40:03.025>I <00:40:03.194>do, <00:40:03.364>I <00:40:03.534>do <00:40:03.703>go <00:40:03.873>for <00:40:04.043>different <00:40:04.212>themes.

999
00:40:04.425 --> 00:40:06.905
<00:40:04.425>I <00:40:04.541>can't <00:40:04.658>lie, <00:40:04.775>I <00:40:04.891>try <00:40:05.008>out <00:40:05.125>a <00:40:05.241>different <00:40:05.358>theme <00:40:05.475>every <00:40:05.591>now <00:40:05.708>and <00:40:05.825>then,

1000
00:40:06.905 --> 00:40:10.145
<00:40:06.905>but <00:40:07.060>then <00:40:07.216>I <00:40:07.371>find <00:40:07.527>that <00:40:07.682>the <00:40:07.838>syntax <00:40:07.993>highlighting <00:40:08.149>using <00:40:08.305>different

1001
00:40:10.145 --> 00:40:12.185
<00:40:10.145>colors, <00:40:10.495>like <00:40:10.845>is, <00:40:11.195>is <00:40:11.545>confusing.

1002
00:40:12.225 --> 00:40:14.665
<00:40:12.225>I <00:40:12.380>know <00:40:12.536>it's <00:40:12.691>really <00:40:12.847>strange <00:40:13.002>'cause <00:40:13.158>it's <00:40:13.313>consistent, <00:40:13.469>you <00:40:13.625>know,

1003
00:40:14.665 --> 00:40:16.585
<00:40:14.665>in <00:40:14.898>terms <00:40:15.131>of, <00:40:15.365>it'll <00:40:15.598>always <00:40:15.831>highlight <00:40:16.065>like

1004
00:40:16.705 --> 00:40:17.825
<00:40:16.705>a <00:40:16.906>variable <00:40:17.108>in <00:40:17.309>the <00:40:17.511>same <00:40:17.712>way.

1005
00:40:17.925 --> 00:40:20.585
<00:40:17.925>But <00:40:18.065>it's <00:40:18.205>the <00:40:18.345>fact <00:40:18.485>that <00:40:18.625>I've <00:40:18.765>gotten <00:40:18.905>used <00:40:19.045>to <00:40:19.185>certain <00:40:19.325>colors

1006
00:40:20.585 --> 00:40:23.145
<00:40:20.585>that <00:40:20.725>when <00:40:20.865>I <00:40:21.005>change <00:40:21.145>it, <00:40:21.285>I <00:40:21.425>then <00:40:21.565>end <00:40:21.705>up <00:40:21.845>going <00:40:21.985>back

1007
00:40:23.145 --> 00:40:24.905
<00:40:23.145>because <00:40:23.345>I'm <00:40:23.545>like, <00:40:23.745>oh, <00:40:23.945>this, <00:40:24.145>this <00:40:24.345>feels <00:40:24.545>weird.

1008
00:40:24.905 --> 00:40:26.665
<00:40:24.905>I <00:40:25.060>can't <00:40:25.216>get <00:40:25.371>used <00:40:25.527>to <00:40:25.682>it. <00:40:25.838>It <00:40:25.993>looks, <00:40:26.149>looks <00:40:26.305>strange.

1009
00:40:26.885 --> 00:40:29.345
<00:40:26.885>Um, <00:40:27.165>I <00:40:27.445>don't <00:40:27.725>understand <00:40:28.005>how <00:40:28.285>anybody,

1010
00:40:29.365 --> 00:40:30.665
<00:40:29.365>you <00:40:29.560>know, <00:40:29.754>it's <00:40:29.950>like <00:40:30.145>that <00:40:30.340>meme <00:40:30.535>though.

1011
00:40:30.665 --> 00:40:33.145
<00:40:30.665>People <00:40:30.898>using <00:40:31.131>like <00:40:31.365>calligraphy <00:40:31.598>fonts <00:40:31.831>in <00:40:32.065>their,

1012
00:40:33.245 --> 00:40:34.465
<00:40:33.245>in <00:40:33.519>their <00:40:33.794>um, <00:40:34.068>vs <00:40:34.343>code.

1013
00:40:35.435 --> 00:40:37.065
<00:40:35.435>There <00:40:35.668>will <00:40:35.901>be <00:40:36.134>somewhat <00:40:36.368>someone <00:40:36.601>out <00:40:36.835>there

1014
00:40:37.065 --> 00:40:38.145
<00:40:37.065>that's <00:40:37.389>actually <00:40:37.713>using <00:40:38.037>that.

1015
00:40:38.445 --> 00:40:41.065
<00:40:38.445>Wow. <00:40:38.600>Chris, <00:40:38.756>how <00:40:38.911>do <00:40:39.067>you <00:40:39.222>find <00:40:39.378>these <00:40:39.533>things <00:40:39.689>that <00:40:39.845>wow

1016
00:40:42.395 --> 00:40:44.265
<00:40:42.395>Blind, <00:40:42.745>That <00:40:43.095>is <00:40:43.445>my <00:40:43.795>favorite.

1017
00:40:44.525 --> 00:40:46.345
<00:40:44.525>That's <00:40:44.758>my <00:40:44.991>favorite <00:40:45.225>theme <00:40:45.458>of <00:40:45.691>S <00:40:45.925>code.

1018
00:40:46.365 --> 00:40:48.065
<00:40:46.365>And <00:40:46.645>it's <00:40:46.924>actually, <00:40:47.205>the <00:40:47.484>backstory <00:40:47.765>is

1019
00:40:48.065 --> 00:40:50.985
<00:40:48.065>that <00:40:48.220>this <00:40:48.376>was <00:40:48.531>an <00:40:48.687>official <00:40:48.842>theme <00:40:48.998>of <00:40:49.153>Windows <00:40:49.309>three <00:40:49.465>11.

1020
00:40:51.815 --> 00:40:54.195
<00:40:51.815>So <00:40:52.015>you <00:40:52.215>could <00:40:52.415>actually <00:40:52.615>set <00:40:52.815>the <00:40:53.015>whole <00:40:53.215>operating

1021
00:40:54.195 --> 00:40:55.475
<00:40:54.195>system <00:40:54.579>to <00:40:54.963>this <00:40:55.346>theme.

1022
00:40:55.655 --> 00:40:56.995
<00:40:55.655>It <00:40:55.956>was <00:40:56.258>called <00:40:56.559>hotdog <00:40:56.861>stand.

1023
00:40:57.575 --> 00:41:01.635
<00:40:57.575>And <00:40:57.702>uh, <00:40:57.829>uh, <00:40:57.956>and <00:40:58.084>I <00:40:58.211>still <00:40:58.338>don't <00:40:58.465>know <00:40:58.593>who <00:40:58.720>got <00:40:58.847>that <00:40:58.975>through

1024
00:41:01.745 --> 00:41:05.995
<00:41:01.745>with <00:41:01.872>Microsoft <00:41:01.999>back <00:41:02.126>then <00:41:02.254>to <00:41:02.381>release <00:41:02.508>it <00:41:02.635>as <00:41:02.763>a, <00:41:02.890>as <00:41:03.017>a <00:41:03.145>theme

1025
00:41:06.015 --> 00:41:07.355
<00:41:06.015>for <00:41:06.316>the <00:41:06.618>whole <00:41:06.919>operating <00:41:07.221>system

1026
00:41:07.355 --> 00:41:09.475
<00:41:07.355>because <00:41:07.588>it's <00:41:07.821>just <00:41:08.055>wrong <00:41:08.288>on <00:41:08.521>every <00:41:08.755>level.

1027
00:41:11.075 --> 00:41:13.435
<00:41:11.075>I <00:41:11.230>would <00:41:11.386>love <00:41:11.541>to <00:41:11.697>see, <00:41:11.852>to <00:41:12.008>see <00:41:12.163>statistics <00:41:12.319>around <00:41:12.475>that,

1028
00:41:13.535 --> 00:41:14.915
<00:41:13.535>who <00:41:13.949>really <00:41:14.363>downloaded <00:41:14.777>it

1029
00:41:15.175 --> 00:41:18.355
<00:41:15.175>and <00:41:15.291>who <00:41:15.408>was <00:41:15.525>using <00:41:15.641>it <00:41:15.758>just <00:41:15.875>for <00:41:15.991>a <00:41:16.108>joke <00:41:16.225>for <00:41:16.341>like <00:41:16.458>one <00:41:16.575>minute

1030
00:41:18.415 --> 00:41:20.155
<00:41:18.415>and <00:41:18.648>then <00:41:18.881>switch <00:41:19.115>back <00:41:19.348>to <00:41:19.581>another <00:41:19.815>theme.

1031
00:41:20.155 --> 00:41:22.755
<00:41:20.155>This <00:41:20.310>would <00:41:20.466>be <00:41:20.621>statistic <00:41:20.777>I <00:41:20.932>really <00:41:21.088>would <00:41:21.243>be <00:41:21.399>interested <00:41:21.555>in.

1032
00:41:22.825 --> 00:41:24.235
<00:41:22.825>Yeah, <00:41:24.094>Well

1033
00:41:24.685 --> 00:41:25.685
<00:41:24.685>Who's <00:41:24.985>actively <00:41:25.285>got <00:41:25.585>it.

1034
00:41:26.065 --> 00:41:27.155
<00:41:26.065>This <00:41:26.310>was <00:41:26.555>Windows <00:41:26.800>three <00:41:27.046>11.

1035
00:41:27.155 --> 00:41:28.155
<00:41:27.155>There <00:41:27.455>were <00:41:27.755>no <00:41:28.055>statistic

1036
00:41:28.275 --> 00:41:30.315
<00:41:28.275>'cause <00:41:28.450>you <00:41:28.625>normally <00:41:28.800>were <00:41:28.975>offline <00:41:29.150>with <00:41:29.325>your <00:41:29.500>operating <00:41:29.675>system.

1037
00:41:30.385 --> 00:41:31.435
<00:41:30.385>That <00:41:30.621>was <00:41:30.857>the <00:41:31.093>problem <00:41:31.330>then.

1038
00:41:34.785 --> 00:41:36.205
<00:41:34.785>But <00:41:35.040>yeah, <00:41:35.296>it's <00:41:35.551>an <00:41:35.807>interesting <00:41:36.063>bit

1039
00:41:36.205 --> 00:41:39.125
<00:41:36.205>that <00:41:36.360>there's <00:41:36.516>always <00:41:36.671>the <00:41:36.827>one <00:41:36.982>font <00:41:37.138>to <00:41:37.293>end <00:41:37.449>all <00:41:37.605>font

1040
00:41:39.185 --> 00:41:40.205
<00:41:39.185>and <00:41:39.414>it's <00:41:39.644>great <00:41:39.873>to <00:41:40.103>do.

1041
00:41:40.385 --> 00:41:43.725
<00:41:40.385>And <00:41:40.501>I <00:41:40.618>mean <00:41:40.735>I, <00:41:40.851>I <00:41:40.968>can <00:41:41.085>invite <00:41:41.201>people <00:41:41.318>that <00:41:41.435>work <00:41:41.551>on <00:41:41.668>Google <00:41:41.785>font

1042
00:41:43.785 --> 00:41:45.645
<00:41:43.785>to <00:41:43.984>actually <00:41:44.185>on <00:41:44.384>the <00:41:44.585>show <00:41:44.785>to <00:41:44.984>actually <00:41:45.185>talk,

1043
00:41:45.915 --> 00:41:47.245
<00:41:45.915>talk <00:41:46.114>us <00:41:46.314>through <00:41:46.513>what <00:41:46.712>the <00:41:46.912>things <00:41:47.112>are.

1044
00:41:47.265 --> 00:41:49.635
<00:41:47.265>But <00:41:47.545>I've <00:41:47.825>never, <00:41:48.105>I <00:41:48.384>don't <00:41:48.665>know.

1045
00:41:50.595 --> 00:41:52.875
<00:41:50.595>I <00:41:50.722>mean, <00:41:50.849>I <00:41:50.976>love, <00:41:51.104>this <00:41:51.231>is <00:41:51.358>one <00:41:51.485>thing <00:41:51.613>I <00:41:51.740>loved <00:41:51.867>as <00:41:51.995>well

1046
00:41:52.875 --> 00:41:55.275
<00:41:52.875>and <00:41:53.015>we <00:41:53.155>had <00:41:53.295>that <00:41:53.435>discussion <00:41:53.575>as <00:41:53.715>well <00:41:53.855>then <00:41:53.995>like <00:41:54.135>when <00:41:54.275>somebody,

1047
00:41:55.515 --> 00:41:58.195
<00:41:55.515>I <00:41:55.690>launched <00:41:55.865>17 <00:41:56.040>site <00:41:56.214>projects, <00:41:56.390>what <00:41:56.565>is <00:41:56.740>the <00:41:56.915>result?

1048
00:41:58.335 --> 00:42:00.795
<00:41:58.335>I'm <00:41:58.685>Richard <00:41:59.035>Expired <00:41:59.385>domains. <00:41:59.735>Oh,

1049
00:42:01.225 --> 00:42:02.275
<00:42:01.225>It's <00:42:01.461>so <00:42:01.697>true, <00:42:01.933>isn't <00:42:02.170>it?

1050
00:42:02.345 --> 00:42:04.275
<00:42:02.345>It's <00:42:02.500>like, <00:42:02.656>alright, <00:42:02.811>I, <00:42:02.967>I'll <00:42:03.122>be <00:42:03.278>honest, <00:42:03.433>I've <00:42:03.589>got <00:42:03.745>loads

1051
00:42:04.275 --> 00:42:06.555
<00:42:04.275>of <00:42:04.415>domains <00:42:04.555>that <00:42:04.695>I've <00:42:04.835>bought <00:42:04.975>and <00:42:05.115>then <00:42:05.255>I <00:42:05.395>sometimes <00:42:05.535>I <00:42:05.675>don't

1052
00:42:06.555 --> 00:42:08.355
<00:42:06.555>even <00:42:06.730>know <00:42:06.904>what <00:42:07.080>I <00:42:07.254>was <00:42:07.430>gonna <00:42:07.605>use <00:42:07.779>them <00:42:07.955>for.

1053
00:42:08.455 --> 00:42:10.635
<00:42:08.455>It <00:42:08.595>was <00:42:08.735>more <00:42:08.875>of <00:42:09.015>like <00:42:09.154>a, <00:42:09.295>I <00:42:09.435>wonder <00:42:09.575>if <00:42:09.715>that's <00:42:09.855>available

1054
00:42:10.775 --> 00:42:12.715
<00:42:10.775>and <00:42:10.915>then <00:42:11.055>I <00:42:11.195>check <00:42:11.335>and <00:42:11.475>it <00:42:11.615>is <00:42:11.755>and <00:42:11.895>I <00:42:12.035>buy <00:42:12.175>it

1055
00:42:12.715 --> 00:42:14.635
<00:42:12.715>and <00:42:13.065>then <00:42:13.415>I <00:42:13.765>immediately <00:42:14.115>forget

1056
00:42:14.645 --> 00:42:16.795
<00:42:14.645>until <00:42:14.800>it <00:42:14.956>auto <00:42:15.111>renews <00:42:15.267>a <00:42:15.422>years <00:42:15.578>later, <00:42:15.733>a <00:42:15.889>year <00:42:16.045>later.

1057
00:42:17.055 --> 00:42:19.195
<00:42:17.055>Um, <00:42:17.288>it <00:42:17.521>does, <00:42:17.754>it <00:42:17.988>does <00:42:18.221>sort <00:42:18.455>of,

1058
00:42:19.655 --> 00:42:21.515
<00:42:19.655>it <00:42:19.855>does <00:42:20.055>feel <00:42:20.255>sometimes <00:42:20.455>like <00:42:20.655>people <00:42:20.855>are <00:42:21.055>just

1059
00:42:21.515 --> 00:42:22.595
<00:42:21.515>collecting <00:42:22.486>domains.

1060
00:42:22.615 --> 00:42:25.275
<00:42:22.615>And <00:42:22.754>IM <00:42:22.895>remember <00:42:23.035>Chris, <00:42:23.174>you <00:42:23.314>said <00:42:23.455>something <00:42:23.595>like <00:42:23.734>if <00:42:23.875>you've <00:42:24.015>got

1061
00:42:25.395 --> 00:42:27.155
<00:42:25.395>a <00:42:25.745>list <00:42:26.095>of <00:42:26.445>of <00:42:26.795>domains

1062
00:42:27.155 --> 00:42:29.555
<00:42:27.155>after <00:42:27.310>your <00:42:27.466>name, <00:42:27.621>if <00:42:27.777>you're <00:42:27.932>somebody <00:42:28.088>with <00:42:28.243>like, <00:42:28.399>here's <00:42:28.555>15.

1063
00:42:29.875 --> 00:42:32.595
<00:42:29.875>Somebody <00:42:29.991>even <00:42:30.108>had <00:42:30.225>it <00:42:30.341>in <00:42:30.458>like <00:42:30.575>a, <00:42:30.691>a <00:42:30.808>read <00:42:30.925>more <00:42:31.041>on <00:42:31.158>their <00:42:31.275>profile

1064
00:42:32.595 --> 00:42:34.195
<00:42:32.595>where <00:42:32.770>it <00:42:32.944>was <00:42:33.120>like <00:42:33.294>the <00:42:33.470>list <00:42:33.645>was <00:42:33.819>so <00:42:33.995>long.

1065
00:42:34.695 --> 00:42:36.915
<00:42:34.695>Um, <00:42:34.928>you, <00:42:35.161>you <00:42:35.395>probably <00:42:35.628>aren't <00:42:35.861>maintaining <00:42:36.095>them.

1066
00:42:37.195 --> 00:42:39.475
<00:42:37.195>I <00:42:37.350>don't <00:42:37.506>know <00:42:37.661>how <00:42:37.817>you've <00:42:37.972>got <00:42:38.128>time <00:42:38.283>to <00:42:38.439>maintain <00:42:38.595>them.

1067
00:42:39.695 --> 00:42:41.515
<00:42:39.695>It <00:42:39.975>and <00:42:40.255>then <00:42:40.535>it <00:42:40.815>feels <00:42:41.095>dodgy.

1068
00:42:41.835 --> 00:42:43.035
<00:42:41.835>'cause <00:42:41.989>it <00:42:42.143>feels <00:42:42.297>like <00:42:42.452>you're <00:42:42.606>saying <00:42:42.760>to <00:42:42.915>people,

1069
00:42:43.175 --> 00:42:45.995
<00:42:43.175>here's <00:42:43.350>a <00:42:43.525>new <00:42:43.700>SaaS, <00:42:43.875>uh, <00:42:44.050>pre-order <00:42:44.225>or <00:42:44.400>buy <00:42:44.575>now,

1070
00:42:46.175 --> 00:42:47.795
<00:42:46.175>but <00:42:46.455>then <00:42:46.735>you're <00:42:47.015>not <00:42:47.295>maintaining <00:42:47.575>it.

1071
00:42:47.855 --> 00:42:49.315
<00:42:47.855>And <00:42:48.074>so <00:42:48.293>what <00:42:48.512>have <00:42:48.731>they <00:42:48.950>really <00:42:49.169>bought?

1072
00:42:49.855 --> 00:42:51.835
<00:42:49.855>Um, <00:42:50.030>I <00:42:50.205>dunno, <00:42:50.380>it's <00:42:50.555>maybe <00:42:50.730>it's <00:42:50.905>just <00:42:51.080>from <00:42:51.255>the

1073
00:42:51.835 --> 00:42:54.555
<00:42:51.835>outside <00:42:52.035>it <00:42:52.235>can <00:42:52.435>feel <00:42:52.635>a <00:42:52.835>little <00:42:53.035>bit <00:42:53.235>dodgy.

1074
00:42:55.115 --> 00:42:56.235
<00:42:55.115>I <00:42:55.366>feel <00:42:55.619>exactly <00:42:55.871>the <00:42:56.123>same.

1075
00:42:56.335 --> 00:42:58.835
<00:42:56.335>So <00:42:56.490>when <00:42:56.646>it's <00:42:56.801>out <00:42:56.957>of, <00:42:57.112>so <00:42:57.268>when <00:42:57.423>I <00:42:57.579>have, <00:42:57.735>like,

1076
00:42:58.835 --> 00:43:00.555
<00:42:58.835>when <00:42:59.068>I'm <00:42:59.301>at <00:42:59.535>the <00:42:59.768>third <00:43:00.001>side <00:43:00.235>project,

1077
00:43:00.675 --> 00:43:02.115
<00:43:00.675>I <00:43:00.860>already <00:43:01.045>forget <00:43:01.230>about <00:43:01.415>the <00:43:01.600>first <00:43:01.785>one, <00:43:01.971>right?

1078
00:43:02.455 --> 00:43:05.075
<00:43:02.455>So <00:43:02.582>there's <00:43:02.709>no <00:43:02.836>way <00:43:02.964>I <00:43:03.091>can <00:43:03.218>hold <00:43:03.345>it <00:43:03.473>all <00:43:03.600>in <00:43:03.727>my <00:43:03.855>head.

1079
00:43:05.295 --> 00:43:07.835
<00:43:05.295>Um, <00:43:05.528>and <00:43:05.761>I <00:43:05.995>immediately <00:43:06.228>forget <00:43:06.461>about <00:43:06.695>it.

1080
00:43:07.975 --> 00:43:11.915
<00:43:07.975>And <00:43:08.130>even <00:43:08.286>if, <00:43:08.441>let's, <00:43:08.597>let's <00:43:08.752>imagine <00:43:08.908>this <00:43:09.063>side <00:43:09.219>project <00:43:09.375>kind

1081
00:43:11.915 --> 00:43:14.635
<00:43:11.915>of <00:43:12.042>blows <00:43:12.169>up <00:43:12.296>and <00:43:12.424>people <00:43:12.551>start <00:43:12.678>to <00:43:12.805>use <00:43:12.933>it <00:43:13.060>for <00:43:13.187>whatever <00:43:13.315>reason,

1082
00:43:15.055 --> 00:43:17.835
<00:43:15.055>and <00:43:15.194>then <00:43:15.335>they <00:43:15.475>suddenly <00:43:15.615>ask <00:43:15.754>you <00:43:15.895>to <00:43:16.035>help <00:43:16.174>them <00:43:16.315>move <00:43:16.455>back

1083
00:43:17.855 --> 00:43:20.115
<00:43:17.855>or <00:43:17.995>they <00:43:18.135>open <00:43:18.275>like <00:43:18.415>a <00:43:18.555>query <00:43:18.695>request <00:43:18.835>and <00:43:18.975>want <00:43:19.115>to <00:43:19.255>participate.

1084
00:43:20.455 --> 00:43:23.395
<00:43:20.455>And <00:43:20.595>you <00:43:20.735>look <00:43:20.875>at <00:43:21.015>it <00:43:21.154>like <00:43:21.295>for <00:43:21.435>the <00:43:21.575>first <00:43:21.715>time, <00:43:21.855>right?

1085
00:43:23.625 --> 00:43:26.515
<00:43:23.625>Like, <00:43:23.800>you <00:43:23.975>have <00:43:24.150>not <00:43:24.325>written <00:43:24.500>this <00:43:24.675>project <00:43:24.850>at <00:43:25.025>all,

1086
00:43:26.975 --> 00:43:28.675
<00:43:26.975>but <00:43:27.325>unfortunately <00:43:27.674>your <00:43:28.025>name <00:43:28.375>is

1087
00:43:28.675 --> 00:43:29.995
<00:43:28.675>as <00:43:28.912>a <00:43:29.150>maintainer <00:43:29.387>on <00:43:29.625>this <00:43:29.863>project,

1088
00:43:30.175 --> 00:43:31.515
<00:43:30.175>you <00:43:30.376>have <00:43:30.577>no <00:43:30.778>idea <00:43:30.979>what <00:43:31.180>you're <00:43:31.381>doing.

1089
00:43:32.975 --> 00:43:35.155
<00:43:32.975>So <00:43:33.150>relatable. <00:43:33.325>That's, <00:43:33.500>that's <00:43:33.674>happened <00:43:33.850>to <00:43:34.025>me <00:43:34.200>right <00:43:34.375>now.

1090
00:43:35.555 --> 00:43:37.635
<00:43:35.555>Actually, <00:43:35.730>you <00:43:35.904>know, <00:43:36.080>one, <00:43:36.254>I've <00:43:36.430>got <00:43:36.605>AUB <00:43:36.779>profile <00:43:36.955>generator.

1091
00:43:37.675 --> 00:43:38.795
<00:43:37.675>I <00:43:37.819>haven't <00:43:37.963>touched <00:43:38.107>it <00:43:38.251>for <00:43:38.395>about <00:43:38.539>a <00:43:38.683>year.

1092
00:43:38.825 --> 00:43:40.275
<00:43:38.825>Just <00:43:39.086>I <00:43:39.346>kind <00:43:39.608>of, <00:43:39.869>I <00:43:40.130>looked

1093
00:43:40.275 --> 00:43:42.315
<00:43:40.275>and <00:43:40.382>I <00:43:40.490>was <00:43:40.598>like, <00:43:40.705>God, <00:43:40.813>the <00:43:40.921>last <00:43:41.028>time <00:43:41.136>I <00:43:41.244>even <00:43:41.351>looked <00:43:41.459>at <00:43:41.567>a <00:43:41.675>pull

1094
00:43:42.315 --> 00:43:43.675
<00:43:42.315>request <00:43:42.519>was <00:43:42.723>getting <00:43:42.927>on <00:43:43.131>for <00:43:43.335>a <00:43:43.539>year.

1095
00:43:43.975 --> 00:43:45.755
<00:43:43.975>And <00:43:44.115>then <00:43:44.255>I <00:43:44.395>thought, <00:43:44.535>okay, <00:43:44.674>I'm <00:43:44.815>gonna <00:43:44.955>go <00:43:45.095>back <00:43:45.235>to <00:43:45.375>it.

1096
00:43:45.755 --> 00:43:47.355
<00:43:45.755>And <00:43:45.895>I've <00:43:46.035>spent <00:43:46.175>the <00:43:46.315>last <00:43:46.455>sort <00:43:46.595>of <00:43:46.735>few <00:43:46.875>weeks, <00:43:47.015>you <00:43:47.155>know,

1097
00:43:47.355 --> 00:43:49.075
<00:43:47.355>I <00:43:47.510>just <00:43:47.666>sort <00:43:47.821>of <00:43:47.977>go, <00:43:48.132>right, <00:43:48.288>I'm <00:43:48.443>gonna <00:43:48.599>do <00:43:48.755>one,

1098
00:43:49.255 --> 00:43:50.795
<00:43:49.255>one <00:43:49.532>pull <00:43:49.809>request <00:43:50.086>or <00:43:50.363>one <00:43:50.641>issue.

1099
00:43:50.895 --> 00:43:52.275
<00:43:50.895>And, <00:43:51.143>and <00:43:51.391>it <00:43:51.640>was <00:43:51.888>exactly <00:43:52.137>that.

1100
00:43:52.295 --> 00:43:54.235
<00:43:52.295>It <00:43:52.435>was <00:43:52.575>like <00:43:52.715>you <00:43:52.855>said, <00:43:52.995>I'm, <00:43:53.135>I <00:43:53.275>was <00:43:53.415>opening <00:43:53.555>things <00:43:53.695>up

1101
00:43:54.235 --> 00:43:56.875
<00:43:54.235>and <00:43:54.362>going, <00:43:54.489>I <00:43:54.616>ha <00:43:54.744>I <00:43:54.871>can't <00:43:54.998>even <00:43:55.125>remember <00:43:55.253>what <00:43:55.380>this <00:43:55.507>looks <00:43:55.635>like.

1102
00:43:57.135 --> 00:43:58.395
<00:43:57.135>And <00:43:57.702>it <00:43:58.269>it's

1103
00:43:58.395 --> 00:43:59.755
<00:43:58.395>because <00:43:58.701>you're <00:43:59.007>starting <00:43:59.313>something <00:43:59.619>new

1104
00:43:59.785 --> 00:44:01.075
<00:43:59.785>that <00:44:00.172>seems <00:44:00.558>more <00:44:00.946>interesting.

1105
00:44:01.075 --> 00:44:03.155
<00:44:01.075>But <00:44:01.274>there's <00:44:01.475>something <00:44:01.674>really <00:44:01.875>fun <00:44:02.075>about <00:44:02.274>returning <00:44:02.475>to

1106
00:44:03.155 --> 00:44:05.075
<00:44:03.155>that <00:44:03.388>old <00:44:03.621>project <00:44:03.855>and <00:44:04.088>giving <00:44:04.321>it <00:44:04.555>life

1107
00:44:05.335 --> 00:44:07.875
<00:44:05.335>and <00:44:05.475>remembering <00:44:05.615>why <00:44:05.755>you <00:44:05.895>did <00:44:06.035>it <00:44:06.175>in <00:44:06.315>the <00:44:06.455>first <00:44:06.595>place, <00:44:06.735>right?

1108
00:44:07.945 --> 00:44:09.355
<00:44:07.945>It's <00:44:08.198>like <00:44:08.452>you <00:44:08.706>still <00:44:08.960>love <00:44:09.214>it

1109
00:44:09.815 --> 00:44:12.155
<00:44:09.815>and <00:44:09.990>giving <00:44:10.165>it <00:44:10.340>something <00:44:10.515>new <00:44:10.690>kind <00:44:10.865>of <00:44:11.040>reinvigorates <00:44:11.215>it.

1110
00:44:13.075 --> 00:44:15.795
<00:44:13.075>I <00:44:13.191>mean <00:44:13.308>you <00:44:13.424>kind <00:44:13.541>of <00:44:13.658>see <00:44:13.774>the <00:44:13.891>bad, <00:44:14.008>the <00:44:14.125>Batman <00:44:14.241>sign <00:44:14.358>on, <00:44:14.475>on,

1111
00:44:16.615 --> 00:44:17.955
<00:44:16.615>on <00:44:16.856>a, <00:44:17.097>on <00:44:17.338>a <00:44:17.579>ceiling, <00:44:17.821>right?

1112
00:44:17.955 --> 00:44:21.675
<00:44:17.955>And <00:44:18.082>you're <00:44:18.209>like, <00:44:18.336>this <00:44:18.464>is <00:44:18.591>my <00:44:18.718>sign, <00:44:18.845>but <00:44:18.973>you <00:44:19.100>can't <00:44:19.227>help <00:44:19.355>it.

1113
00:44:23.875 --> 00:44:26.395
<00:44:23.875>I <00:44:24.050>love <00:44:24.225>that <00:44:24.400>guy <00:44:24.575>that <00:44:24.750>basically <00:44:24.925>built <00:44:25.100>a <00:44:25.275>block

1114
00:44:26.395 --> 00:44:28.915
<00:44:26.395>with <00:44:26.745>see <00:44:27.095>pre-processor <00:44:27.445>macros, <00:44:27.795>seeing

1115
00:44:28.915 --> 00:44:32.485
<00:44:28.915>that <00:44:29.055>you <00:44:29.195>can <00:44:29.335>always <00:44:29.475>go <00:44:29.615>back <00:44:29.755>to <00:44:29.895>the <00:44:30.035>most <00:44:30.175>old <00:44:30.315>stack

1116
00:44:32.545 --> 00:44:34.285
<00:44:32.545>and <00:44:32.778>weird <00:44:33.011>stack <00:44:33.245>and <00:44:33.478>you <00:44:33.711>can <00:44:33.945>still

1117
00:44:34.645 --> 00:44:35.805
<00:44:34.645>maintain <00:44:34.906>things <00:44:35.167>on <00:44:35.428>the <00:44:35.689>web.

1118
00:44:36.665 --> 00:44:39.415
<00:44:36.665>Which <00:44:36.792>kind <00:44:36.919>of <00:44:37.046>brings <00:44:37.174>me <00:44:37.301>to <00:44:37.428>the <00:44:37.555>main <00:44:37.683>topic <00:44:37.810>that <00:44:37.937>I <00:44:38.065>wanted

1119
00:44:39.415 --> 00:44:43.255
<00:44:39.415>to <00:44:39.542>talk <00:44:39.669>to <00:44:39.796>you <00:44:39.924>about <00:44:40.051>because, <00:44:40.178>uh, <00:44:40.305>your <00:44:40.433>talk <00:44:40.560>at <00:44:40.687>our <00:44:40.815>event

1120
00:44:43.435 --> 00:44:48.055
<00:44:43.435>and <00:44:43.551>also <00:44:43.668>the, <00:44:43.785>the <00:44:43.901>one <00:44:44.018>that <00:44:44.134>we, <00:44:44.251>we <00:44:44.368>covered <00:44:44.485>here <00:44:44.601>is <00:44:44.718>that, <00:44:44.835>uh,

1121
00:44:48.275 --> 00:44:50.615
<00:44:48.275>you <00:44:48.555>are <00:44:48.835>actually <00:44:49.115>helping <00:44:49.395>people <00:44:49.675>to

1122
00:44:51.955 --> 00:44:54.695
<00:44:51.955>put <00:44:52.305>cobalt <00:44:52.654>projects <00:44:53.005>into, <00:44:53.355>uh,

1123
00:44:54.695 --> 00:44:58.015
<00:44:54.695>the <00:44:54.895>cloud <00:44:55.095>using <00:44:55.295>GitHub <00:44:55.495>co-pilot. <00:44:55.695>Is <00:44:55.895>that <00:44:56.095>right?

1124
00:44:58.675 --> 00:45:00.775
<00:44:58.675>Mm. <00:44:59.141>Uh, <00:44:59.608>partly, <00:45:00.075>partly.

1125
00:45:00.995 --> 00:45:03.855
<00:45:00.995>Um, <00:45:01.134>so <00:45:01.275>we <00:45:01.415>were <00:45:01.555>coming <00:45:01.694>from <00:45:01.835>that <00:45:01.975>angle <00:45:02.115>of <00:45:02.255>GitHub <00:45:02.395>co-pilot

1126
00:45:03.855 --> 00:45:06.095
<00:45:03.855>because <00:45:04.030>GitHub <00:45:04.205>co-pilot <00:45:04.380>is <00:45:04.555>kind <00:45:04.730>of <00:45:04.905>to <00:45:05.080>chron <00:45:05.255>jewels

1127
00:45:06.115 --> 00:45:08.295
<00:45:06.115>of <00:45:06.464>AI <00:45:06.814>Microsoft <00:45:07.165>coding, <00:45:07.515>right?

1128
00:45:08.435 --> 00:45:11.975
<00:45:08.435>So <00:45:08.590>we <00:45:08.746>try, <00:45:08.901>so <00:45:09.057>back <00:45:09.212>in <00:45:09.368>20 <00:45:09.523>end <00:45:09.679>of <00:45:09.835>2023,

1129
00:45:12.055 --> 00:45:15.095
<00:45:12.055>I <00:45:12.194>was <00:45:12.335>at <00:45:12.475>an <00:45:12.615>automotive <00:45:12.754>customer <00:45:12.895>and <00:45:13.035>they <00:45:13.174>had <00:45:13.315>a <00:45:13.455>hackathon

1130
00:45:15.195 --> 00:45:17.095
<00:45:15.195>and <00:45:15.350>back <00:45:15.506>then <00:45:15.661>and <00:45:15.817>they <00:45:15.972>had <00:45:16.128>like <00:45:16.283>a <00:45:16.439>cobalt <00:45:16.595>team

1131
00:45:17.195 --> 00:45:20.055
<00:45:17.195>and <00:45:17.475>we <00:45:17.755>tried <00:45:18.035>to <00:45:18.315>just <00:45:18.595>reason

1132
00:45:20.405 --> 00:45:22.215
<00:45:20.405>with <00:45:20.685>GBT <00:45:20.965>four <00:45:21.245>back <00:45:21.525>then <00:45:21.805>about

1133
00:45:22.485 --> 00:45:23.975
<00:45:22.485>what <00:45:22.753>are <00:45:23.021>we <00:45:23.289>actually <00:45:23.557>seeing <00:45:23.826>here

1134
00:45:23.975 --> 00:45:27.015
<00:45:23.975>because <00:45:24.150>they <00:45:24.325>were <00:45:24.500>like <00:45:24.674>in <00:45:24.850>a <00:45:25.025>huge <00:45:25.200>problem <00:45:25.375>that

1135
00:45:27.555 --> 00:45:28.575
<00:45:27.555>I'm <00:45:27.784>talking <00:45:28.013>about <00:45:28.243>a <00:45:28.473>hype

1136
00:45:28.725 --> 00:45:30.615
<00:45:28.725>that <00:45:28.924>like <00:45:29.125>Cobo <00:45:29.325>migrations <00:45:29.525>is <00:45:29.725>not <00:45:29.924>a <00:45:30.125>hype,

1137
00:45:30.645 --> 00:45:32.175
<00:45:30.645>it's <00:45:30.841>like <00:45:31.038>a <00:45:31.235>real <00:45:31.431>threat <00:45:31.628>because <00:45:31.825>the <00:45:32.022>people

1138
00:45:32.195 --> 00:45:34.695
<00:45:32.195>who <00:45:32.395>rode <00:45:32.595>Cowell <00:45:32.795>back <00:45:32.995>then, <00:45:33.195>they're <00:45:33.395>dying <00:45:33.595>literally.

1139
00:45:34.915 --> 00:45:37.495
<00:45:34.915>So <00:45:35.090>we <00:45:35.265>are <00:45:35.440>in <00:45:35.615>the, <00:45:35.790>in <00:45:35.965>an <00:45:36.140>unfortunate <00:45:36.315>situation

1140
00:45:37.595 --> 00:45:38.735
<00:45:37.595>or <00:45:38.108>the <00:45:38.621>organizations

1141
00:45:38.735 --> 00:45:41.575
<00:45:38.735>that <00:45:38.910>still <00:45:39.085>have <00:45:39.260>Cobo <00:45:39.435>are <00:45:39.610>in <00:45:39.785>an <00:45:39.960>unfortunate <00:45:40.135>situation

1142
00:45:41.575 --> 00:45:43.295
<00:45:41.575>that <00:45:41.750>they <00:45:41.924>actually <00:45:42.100>have <00:45:42.274>to <00:45:42.450>do <00:45:42.625>something <00:45:42.799>about <00:45:42.975>it.

1143
00:45:43.435 --> 00:45:46.295
<00:45:43.435>So <00:45:43.610>we <00:45:43.785>tried <00:45:43.960>and <00:45:44.134>now <00:45:44.310>we <00:45:44.485>have <00:45:44.660>ai, <00:45:44.835>right?

1144
00:45:46.315 --> 00:45:48.695
<00:45:46.315>And <00:45:46.515>AI <00:45:46.715>is <00:45:46.915>the, <00:45:47.115>the <00:45:47.315>solution <00:45:47.515>for <00:45:47.715>everything.

1145
00:45:48.725 --> 00:45:50.335
<00:45:48.725>This <00:45:48.924>is <00:45:49.125>at <00:45:49.325>least <00:45:49.525>what <00:45:49.725>we <00:45:49.924>are <00:45:50.125>thinking

1146
00:45:50.475 --> 00:45:52.815
<00:45:50.475>and <00:45:50.755>we <00:45:51.035>were <00:45:51.315>trying <00:45:51.595>to <00:45:51.875>make

1147
00:45:54.005 --> 00:45:56.305
<00:45:54.005>at <00:45:54.160>the <00:45:54.316>first <00:45:54.471>place <00:45:54.627>actually <00:45:54.782>make <00:45:54.938>sense <00:45:55.093>out <00:45:55.249>of <00:45:55.405>this,

1148
00:45:56.405 --> 00:45:58.825
<00:45:56.405>can <00:45:56.580>AI <00:45:56.755>help <00:45:56.930>us <00:45:57.105>at <00:45:57.280>least <00:45:57.455>get <00:45:57.630>an <00:45:57.805>understanding?

1149
00:45:58.965 --> 00:46:00.665
<00:45:58.965>So <00:45:59.198>doing <00:45:59.431>like <00:45:59.665>the <00:45:59.898>reverse <00:46:00.131>engineering <00:46:00.365>of

1150
00:46:00.665 --> 00:46:02.505
<00:46:00.665>that <00:46:00.945>business <00:46:01.225>logic <00:46:01.505>in <00:46:01.785>cobalt <00:46:02.065>fights

1151
00:46:02.505 --> 00:46:04.985
<00:46:02.505>and <00:46:02.705>back <00:46:02.905>then, <00:46:03.105>um, <00:46:03.305>with <00:46:03.505>G <00:46:03.705>PT <00:46:03.905>four,

1152
00:46:04.985 --> 00:46:07.825
<00:46:04.985>single <00:46:05.185>model <00:46:05.385>agent <00:46:05.585>mode <00:46:05.785>did <00:46:05.985>not <00:46:06.185>exist, <00:46:06.385>right?

1153
00:46:07.845 --> 00:46:09.825
<00:46:07.845>We <00:46:08.000>did <00:46:08.156>not <00:46:08.311>even <00:46:08.467>know <00:46:08.622>how <00:46:08.778>to <00:46:08.933>do <00:46:09.089>function <00:46:09.245>calling

1154
00:46:09.855 --> 00:46:11.145
<00:46:09.855>with <00:46:10.242>LLMs <00:46:10.629>back <00:46:11.016>then.

1155
00:46:11.765 --> 00:46:13.465
<00:46:11.765>Um, <00:46:11.998>it <00:46:12.231>was <00:46:12.464>kind <00:46:12.698>of <00:46:12.931>a <00:46:13.165>pity

1156
00:46:13.465 --> 00:46:16.425
<00:46:13.465>because <00:46:13.640>the <00:46:13.815>token, <00:46:13.990>the <00:46:14.165>token <00:46:14.340>sizes <00:46:14.515>were <00:46:14.690>very <00:46:14.865>small

1157
00:46:16.525 --> 00:46:19.025
<00:46:16.525>for <00:46:16.665>the <00:46:16.805>models <00:46:16.945>and <00:46:17.085>we <00:46:17.225>could <00:46:17.365>not <00:46:17.505>put <00:46:17.645>all <00:46:17.785>everything <00:46:17.925>in

1158
00:46:19.025 --> 00:46:20.505
<00:46:19.025>that <00:46:19.247>we <00:46:19.469>actually <00:46:19.691>needed <00:46:19.913>to <00:46:20.135>put <00:46:20.357>in

1159
00:46:20.805 --> 00:46:22.945
<00:46:20.805>to <00:46:21.004>actually <00:46:21.205>give <00:46:21.404>the <00:46:21.605>model <00:46:21.805>a <00:46:22.004>chance <00:46:22.205>to

1160
00:46:23.465 --> 00:46:25.425
<00:46:23.465>actually <00:46:23.665>reason <00:46:23.865>about <00:46:24.065>it <00:46:24.265>in <00:46:24.465>a <00:46:24.665>central <00:46:24.865>way.

1161
00:46:26.745 --> 00:46:31.045
<00:46:26.745>And <00:46:26.884>then, <00:46:27.025>um, <00:46:27.165>it <00:46:27.305>basically, <00:46:27.444>it <00:46:27.585>was <00:46:27.725>basically, <00:46:27.865>um, <00:46:28.005>like <00:46:28.145>the,

1162
00:46:31.045 --> 00:46:32.125
<00:46:31.045>the <00:46:31.369>project <00:46:31.693>died <00:46:32.017>also.

1163
00:46:32.145 --> 00:46:34.205
<00:46:32.145>It <00:46:32.320>was <00:46:32.495>like <00:46:32.670>an <00:46:32.845>interest, <00:46:33.020>an <00:46:33.195>interesting <00:46:33.370>hackathon <00:46:33.545>project,

1164
00:46:34.225 --> 00:46:36.085
<00:46:34.225>but <00:46:34.380>also <00:46:34.536>the <00:46:34.691>customer <00:46:34.847>did <00:46:35.002>not <00:46:35.158>follow <00:46:35.313>up <00:46:35.469>on <00:46:35.625>that.

1165
00:46:36.345 --> 00:46:38.125
<00:46:36.345>And <00:46:36.578>then <00:46:36.811>we <00:46:37.044>were <00:46:37.278>thinking <00:46:37.511>about, <00:46:37.745>okay,

1166
00:46:38.145 --> 00:46:39.565
<00:46:38.145>now <00:46:38.464>we <00:46:38.784>have <00:46:39.103>GitHub <00:46:39.423>co-pilot

1167
00:46:39.565 --> 00:46:41.445
<00:46:39.565>and <00:46:39.798>we <00:46:40.031>have <00:46:40.265>agent <00:46:40.498>promoting <00:46:40.731>GitHub <00:46:40.965>copilot

1168
00:46:41.445 --> 00:46:42.645
<00:46:41.445>or <00:46:41.625>back <00:46:41.805>there <00:46:41.985>it <00:46:42.165>was <00:46:42.345>edit <00:46:42.525>mode.

1169
00:46:42.645 --> 00:46:44.485
<00:46:42.645>When <00:46:42.878>we <00:46:43.111>started <00:46:43.345>to <00:46:43.578>edit <00:46:43.811>multiple <00:46:44.045>files

1170
00:46:45.265 --> 00:46:47.565
<00:46:45.265>and <00:46:45.440>also <00:46:45.615>the <00:46:45.790>token <00:46:45.964>windows <00:46:46.140>of <00:46:46.315>the <00:46:46.490>L <00:46:46.665>LMS

1171
00:46:47.565 --> 00:46:48.885
<00:46:47.565>behind <00:46:48.159>GitHub <00:46:48.753>copilot,

1172
00:46:48.885 --> 00:46:50.965
<00:46:48.885>they <00:46:49.118>got <00:46:49.351>more <00:46:49.585>specific <00:46:49.818>to <00:46:50.051>coding, <00:46:50.285>right?

1173
00:46:51.065 --> 00:46:53.205
<00:46:51.065>And <00:46:51.265>they <00:46:51.465>were <00:46:51.665>bigger. <00:46:51.865>So <00:46:52.065>then <00:46:52.265>we <00:46:52.465>tried

1174
00:46:53.205 --> 00:46:56.045
<00:46:53.205>to <00:46:53.438>actually <00:46:53.671>make <00:46:53.904>sense <00:46:54.138>with <00:46:54.371>GitHub <00:46:54.605>copilot

1175
00:46:56.625 --> 00:46:58.965
<00:46:56.625>to <00:46:56.905>do <00:46:57.185>these <00:46:57.465>reverse <00:46:57.745>engineering <00:46:58.025>tasks.

1176
00:46:59.585 --> 00:47:01.965
<00:46:59.585>Um, <00:46:59.865>and <00:47:00.145>it <00:47:00.425>kind <00:47:00.705>of <00:47:00.985>works.

1177
00:47:02.465 --> 00:47:06.425
<00:47:02.465>Um, <00:47:02.815>it's <00:47:03.165>not <00:47:03.515>bad <00:47:03.865>compared

1178
00:47:06.425 --> 00:47:08.145
<00:47:06.425>to <00:47:06.705>back <00:47:06.985>then <00:47:07.265>end <00:47:07.545>of <00:47:07.825>2023.

1179
00:47:08.215 --> 00:47:09.265
<00:47:08.215>It's <00:47:08.530>actually <00:47:08.845>not <00:47:09.160>bad.

1180
00:47:09.365 --> 00:47:12.065
<00:47:09.365>But <00:47:09.564>we <00:47:09.765>noticed <00:47:09.964>that <00:47:10.165>when <00:47:10.365>customers <00:47:10.564>approach <00:47:10.765>us

1181
00:47:12.065 --> 00:47:13.225
<00:47:12.065>with <00:47:12.326>this <00:47:12.587>problem, <00:47:12.848>they're <00:47:13.109>like,

1182
00:47:13.225 --> 00:47:14.425
<00:47:13.225>Julia, <00:47:13.379>we <00:47:13.533>need <00:47:13.687>to <00:47:13.842>get <00:47:13.996>rid <00:47:14.150>of <00:47:14.305>vomit.

1183
00:47:14.525 --> 00:47:18.345
<00:47:14.525>And <00:47:14.665>I'm <00:47:14.805>like, <00:47:14.945>alright, <00:47:15.085>where <00:47:15.225>do <00:47:15.365>we <00:47:15.505>want <00:47:15.645>to <00:47:15.785>start? <00:47:15.925>Right?

1184
00:47:19.005 --> 00:47:23.625
<00:47:19.005>Um, <00:47:19.132>they <00:47:19.259>are <00:47:19.386>not <00:47:19.514>looking <00:47:19.641>for <00:47:19.768>a <00:47:19.895>AI <00:47:20.023>in <00:47:20.150>the <00:47:20.277>loop <00:47:20.405>solution.

1185
00:47:23.775 --> 00:47:27.985
<00:47:23.775>They <00:47:23.950>are <00:47:24.125>looking <00:47:24.300>to <00:47:24.475>paste <00:47:24.650>the <00:47:24.825>code <00:47:25.000>somewhere, <00:47:25.175>click

1186
00:47:28.595 --> 00:47:30.485
<00:47:28.595>magic <00:47:29.061>appears <00:47:29.528>in <00:47:29.995>seconds

1187
00:47:30.705 --> 00:47:33.725
<00:47:30.705>and <00:47:30.904>then <00:47:31.105>they <00:47:31.305>have <00:47:31.505>like <00:47:31.705>functioning <00:47:31.904>Java <00:47:32.105>or.net

1188
00:47:33.725 --> 00:47:36.525
<00:47:33.725>or <00:47:33.924>whatever <00:47:34.125>code <00:47:34.325>and <00:47:34.525>their <00:47:34.725>mainframe <00:47:34.924>is <00:47:35.125>gone.

1189
00:47:36.625 --> 00:47:39.285
<00:47:36.625>But <00:47:36.752>this <00:47:36.879>is <00:47:37.006>actually <00:47:37.134>not <00:47:37.261>a <00:47:37.388>reality <00:47:37.515>we <00:47:37.643>are <00:47:37.770>facing <00:47:37.897>right <00:47:38.025>now.

1190
00:47:39.385 --> 00:47:41.205
<00:47:39.385>It <00:47:39.665>doesn't <00:47:39.945>matter <00:47:40.225>which <00:47:40.505>AI <00:47:40.785>tool

1191
00:47:41.205 --> 00:47:43.685
<00:47:41.205>and <00:47:41.380>also <00:47:41.555>doesn't <00:47:41.730>matter <00:47:41.904>if <00:47:42.080>you're <00:47:42.255>basically <00:47:42.430>creating <00:47:42.605>your

1192
00:47:43.975 --> 00:47:46.605
<00:47:43.975>whole <00:47:44.325>own <00:47:44.674>multi-age <00:47:45.025>agent <00:47:45.375>approach.

1193
00:47:47.265 --> 00:47:49.605
<00:47:47.265>Um, <00:47:47.545>it's <00:47:47.825>always <00:47:48.105>like <00:47:48.384>an <00:47:48.665>iteration

1194
00:47:49.605 --> 00:47:51.965
<00:47:49.605>because <00:47:49.885>it's <00:47:50.165>obviously <00:47:50.445>also <00:47:50.725>not <00:47:51.005>deterministic.

1195
00:47:52.105 --> 00:47:54.725
<00:47:52.105>And <00:47:52.232>um, <00:47:52.359>a <00:47:52.486>lot <00:47:52.614>of <00:47:52.741>the <00:47:52.868>COBO <00:47:52.995>code <00:47:53.123>also <00:47:53.250>is <00:47:53.377>not <00:47:53.505>very,

1196
00:47:54.755 --> 00:47:56.565
<00:47:54.755>very <00:47:55.105>much <00:47:55.455>speaking <00:47:55.805>for <00:47:56.155>itself.

1197
00:47:56.745 --> 00:47:58.125
<00:47:56.745>So <00:47:57.159>there's <00:47:57.573>no <00:47:57.987>documentation.

1198
00:47:58.825 --> 00:48:01.325
<00:47:58.825>Um, <00:47:58.964>a <00:47:59.105>lot <00:47:59.245>of <00:47:59.384>the <00:47:59.524>COBO <00:47:59.665>codes <00:47:59.805>also <00:47:59.944>in <00:48:00.085>foreign <00:48:00.225>languages

1199
00:48:01.515 --> 00:48:02.565
<00:48:01.515>that <00:48:01.830>are <00:48:02.145>not <00:48:02.460>English.

1200
00:48:02.665 --> 00:48:05.885
<00:48:02.665>So <00:48:02.865>also <00:48:03.065>models <00:48:03.265>have <00:48:03.465>trouble <00:48:03.665>actually <00:48:03.865>understanding <00:48:04.065>it.

1201
00:48:06.505 --> 00:48:10.925
<00:48:06.505>Um, <00:48:06.612>and <00:48:06.720>this <00:48:06.828>is <00:48:06.935>how <00:48:07.043>we <00:48:07.151>try <00:48:07.258>to <00:48:07.366>actually <00:48:07.474>make <00:48:07.581>sense <00:48:07.689>out <00:48:07.797>of <00:48:07.905>it.

1202
00:48:11.185 --> 00:48:13.565
<00:48:11.185>So <00:48:11.312>we, <00:48:11.439>the <00:48:11.566>first <00:48:11.694>steps <00:48:11.821>we <00:48:11.948>did <00:48:12.075>was <00:48:12.203>to <00:48:12.330>get <00:48:12.457>a <00:48:12.585>copilot

1203
00:48:14.225 --> 00:48:16.685
<00:48:14.225>asking <00:48:14.365>GI <00:48:14.505>a <00:48:14.645>copilot <00:48:14.785>to <00:48:14.924>have <00:48:15.065>a <00:48:15.205>look <00:48:15.345>at <00:48:15.485>the <00:48:15.625>project.

1204
00:48:16.915 --> 00:48:18.205
<00:48:16.915>What <00:48:17.147>could <00:48:17.379>it <00:48:17.611>actually <00:48:17.843>pull <00:48:18.076>out

1205
00:48:18.205 --> 00:48:19.805
<00:48:18.205>of <00:48:18.404>the <00:48:18.605>project <00:48:18.805>in <00:48:19.005>terms <00:48:19.205>of <00:48:19.404>business <00:48:19.605>logic?

1206
00:48:19.865 --> 00:48:23.125
<00:48:19.865>How <00:48:20.040>is <00:48:20.214>actually <00:48:20.390>the <00:48:20.564>dependencies <00:48:20.740>between <00:48:20.915>these <00:48:21.089>cobalt <00:48:21.265>files?

1207
00:48:23.465 --> 00:48:26.485
<00:48:23.465>But <00:48:23.605>then <00:48:23.745>we <00:48:23.885>had <00:48:24.025>like <00:48:24.165>the <00:48:24.305>problem <00:48:24.445>that <00:48:24.585>we <00:48:24.725>also <00:48:24.865>wanted

1208
00:48:26.505 --> 00:48:27.605
<00:48:26.505>to <00:48:26.835>convert <00:48:27.165>it, <00:48:27.495>right?

1209
00:48:28.025 --> 00:48:30.365
<00:48:28.025>Um, <00:48:28.305>and <00:48:28.585>there <00:48:28.865>are <00:48:29.145>solutions <00:48:29.425>already

1210
00:48:30.425 --> 00:48:31.605
<00:48:30.425>out <00:48:30.690>there <00:48:30.956>for <00:48:31.221>years, <00:48:31.487>right?

1211
00:48:31.605 --> 00:48:34.605
<00:48:31.605>We <00:48:31.805>have <00:48:32.005>like <00:48:32.205>large <00:48:32.405>partner <00:48:32.605>organizations <00:48:32.805>like <00:48:33.005>KY

1212
00:48:34.705 --> 00:48:37.325
<00:48:34.705>and <00:48:34.832>the <00:48:34.959>US <00:48:35.086>is <00:48:35.214>one <00:48:35.341>big <00:48:35.468>one <00:48:35.595>also <00:48:35.723>Accenture <00:48:35.850>here <00:48:35.977>in <00:48:36.105>Europe

1213
00:48:37.905 --> 00:48:39.805
<00:48:37.905>who <00:48:38.105>are <00:48:38.305>doing <00:48:38.505>these <00:48:38.705>mainframe <00:48:38.905>migration <00:48:39.105>for <00:48:39.305>years.

1214
00:48:39.865 --> 00:48:42.205
<00:48:39.865>And <00:48:40.064>they <00:48:40.265>mostly <00:48:40.464>do <00:48:40.665>it <00:48:40.865>either <00:48:41.064>with <00:48:41.265>men

1215
00:48:42.205 --> 00:48:44.645
<00:48:42.205>and <00:48:42.380>women <00:48:42.555>power <00:48:42.730>who <00:48:42.904>have <00:48:43.080>suited <00:48:43.255>with <00:48:43.430>cobalt <00:48:43.605>code

1216
00:48:44.665 --> 00:48:47.605
<00:48:44.665>or <00:48:44.820>mainframe <00:48:44.976>code <00:48:45.131>or <00:48:45.287>they <00:48:45.442>do <00:48:45.598>it <00:48:45.753>with <00:48:45.909>code <00:48:46.065>generators.

1217
00:48:47.625 --> 00:48:49.405
<00:48:47.625>But <00:48:47.825>we <00:48:48.025>all <00:48:48.225>know <00:48:48.425>code <00:48:48.625>that's <00:48:48.825>coming <00:48:49.025>out

1218
00:48:49.405 --> 00:48:52.045
<00:48:49.405>of <00:48:49.605>code <00:48:49.805>generations <00:48:50.005>is <00:48:50.205>usually <00:48:50.405>far <00:48:50.605>beyond <00:48:50.805>reading

1219
00:48:52.305 --> 00:48:54.085
<00:48:52.305>and <00:48:52.504>we <00:48:52.705>have <00:48:52.904>no <00:48:53.105>idea <00:48:53.305>what's <00:48:53.504>actually <00:48:53.705>happening.

1220
00:48:54.145 --> 00:48:57.125
<00:48:54.145>So <00:48:54.320>we <00:48:54.495>try <00:48:54.670>to <00:48:54.845>target <00:48:55.020>this <00:48:55.195>from <00:48:55.370>different <00:48:55.545>angles.

1221
00:48:57.145 --> 00:49:00.165
<00:48:57.145>Can <00:48:57.320>we <00:48:57.495>actually <00:48:57.670>do <00:48:57.845>like <00:48:58.020>a <00:48:58.195>full <00:48:58.370>reverse <00:48:58.545>engineering

1222
00:49:00.225 --> 00:49:01.245
<00:49:00.225>of <00:49:00.683>Cobalt <00:49:01.143>code

1223
00:49:01.245 --> 00:49:04.005
<00:49:01.245>and <00:49:01.384>generate <00:49:01.525>just <00:49:01.665>from <00:49:01.805>the <00:49:01.944>files <00:49:02.085>that <00:49:02.225>we <00:49:02.365>may <00:49:02.505>be <00:49:02.645>generated,

1224
00:49:04.205 --> 00:49:06.685
<00:49:04.205>subscribed <00:49:04.380>to <00:49:04.555>business <00:49:04.730>logic <00:49:04.904>generate <00:49:05.080>code <00:49:05.255>out <00:49:05.430>of <00:49:05.605>that,

1225
00:49:07.145 --> 00:49:09.485
<00:49:07.145>or <00:49:07.300>can <00:49:07.456>we <00:49:07.611>use <00:49:07.767>the <00:49:07.922>COBO <00:49:08.078>code <00:49:08.233>itself <00:49:08.389>as <00:49:08.545>source

1226
00:49:09.585 --> 00:49:11.885
<00:49:09.585>and <00:49:09.760>transform <00:49:09.935>it <00:49:10.110>into <00:49:10.285>Java <00:49:10.460>code <00:49:10.635>in <00:49:10.810>our <00:49:10.985>case?

1227
00:49:12.345 --> 00:49:14.765
<00:49:12.345>Or <00:49:12.544>can <00:49:12.745>we <00:49:12.944>actually <00:49:13.145>use <00:49:13.345>this <00:49:13.544>auto-generated <00:49:13.745>code

1228
00:49:14.765 --> 00:49:16.685
<00:49:14.765>that <00:49:15.045>we <00:49:15.325>maybe <00:49:15.605>already <00:49:15.884>have, <00:49:16.165>um,

1229
00:49:17.105 --> 00:49:18.845
<00:49:17.105>and <00:49:17.305>try <00:49:17.505>to <00:49:17.705>make <00:49:17.905>sense <00:49:18.105>out <00:49:18.305>of <00:49:18.505>that

1230
00:49:18.905 --> 00:49:21.245
<00:49:18.905>and <00:49:19.138>convert <00:49:19.371>it <00:49:19.605>in <00:49:19.838>human <00:49:20.071>readable <00:49:20.305>code.

1231
00:49:21.265 --> 00:49:23.525
<00:49:21.265>So <00:49:21.420>these <00:49:21.576>were <00:49:21.731>the <00:49:21.887>three <00:49:22.042>angles <00:49:22.198>we <00:49:22.353>were <00:49:22.509>coming <00:49:22.665>from.

1232
00:49:23.865 --> 00:49:25.285
<00:49:23.865>And <00:49:24.184>unfortunately <00:49:24.504>in <00:49:24.823>the <00:49:25.143>moment,

1233
00:49:25.385 --> 00:49:27.645
<00:49:25.385>get <00:49:25.560>a <00:49:25.735>copilot <00:49:25.910>is <00:49:26.085>not <00:49:26.260>suitable <00:49:26.435>of <00:49:26.610>doing <00:49:26.785>that.

1234
00:49:27.665 --> 00:49:29.125
<00:49:27.665>And <00:49:27.884>this <00:49:28.103>is <00:49:28.322>where <00:49:28.541>we <00:49:28.760>actually <00:49:28.979>started

1235
00:49:29.465 --> 00:49:32.645
<00:49:29.465>to <00:49:29.745>write <00:49:30.025>our <00:49:30.305>own <00:49:30.585>multi-agent <00:49:30.865>framework,

1236
00:49:33.445 --> 00:49:34.905
<00:49:33.445>um, <00:49:33.883>in <00:49:34.321>semantic <00:49:34.759>kernel.

1237
00:49:34.905 --> 00:49:37.425
<00:49:34.905>I <00:49:35.045>did <00:49:35.185>it <00:49:35.325>with <00:49:35.465>one <00:49:35.605>of <00:49:35.745>my <00:49:35.885>GBB <00:49:36.025>colleagues, <00:49:36.165>um, <00:49:36.305>Gustav.

1238
00:49:38.265 --> 00:49:40.765
<00:49:38.265>Um, <00:49:38.420>but <00:49:38.576>then <00:49:38.731>we <00:49:38.887>had <00:49:39.042>like <00:49:39.198>all <00:49:39.353>these <00:49:39.509>good <00:49:39.665>ideas

1239
00:49:40.905 --> 00:49:42.285
<00:49:40.905>and <00:49:41.215>all <00:49:41.526>these <00:49:41.836>good <00:49:42.147>intentions.

1240
00:49:42.345 --> 00:49:45.325
<00:49:42.345>The <00:49:42.484>only <00:49:42.625>problem <00:49:42.765>was <00:49:42.904>we <00:49:43.044>did <00:49:43.185>not <00:49:43.325>have <00:49:43.464>proper <00:49:43.605>COBO <00:49:43.745>code

1241
00:49:45.635 --> 00:49:47.125
<00:49:45.635>because <00:49:45.970>it <00:49:46.305>turns <00:49:46.640>out <00:49:46.976>there's,

1242
00:49:47.125 --> 00:49:49.725
<00:49:47.125>there <00:49:47.280>are <00:49:47.436>a <00:49:47.591>few <00:49:47.747>resources <00:49:47.902>in <00:49:48.058>GitHub <00:49:48.213>of <00:49:48.369>COBO <00:49:48.525>code.

1243
00:49:49.725 --> 00:49:51.685
<00:49:49.725>There's <00:49:49.958>like <00:49:50.191>a <00:49:50.424>certain <00:49:50.658>book <00:49:50.891>out <00:49:51.125>there,

1244
00:49:51.685 --> 00:49:53.965
<00:49:51.685>which <00:49:51.918>is <00:49:52.151>like <00:49:52.384>Cobo <00:49:52.618>code <00:49:52.851>for <00:49:53.085>programmers

1245
00:49:53.965 --> 00:49:57.885
<00:49:53.965>who <00:49:54.105>basically <00:49:54.245>is <00:49:54.385>like <00:49:54.525>a, <00:49:54.665>like, <00:49:54.805>like <00:49:54.945>like <00:49:55.085>a <00:49:55.225>teaching <00:49:55.365>book

1246
00:49:57.885 --> 00:50:00.405
<00:49:57.885>for <00:49:58.060>cobal, <00:49:58.235>which <00:49:58.410>is <00:49:58.585>already <00:49:58.760>like <00:49:58.935>20 <00:49:59.110>years <00:49:59.285>old.

1247
00:50:00.865 --> 00:50:04.285
<00:50:00.865>And <00:50:01.004>there's <00:50:01.145>also <00:50:01.285>from <00:50:01.424>AWS, <00:50:01.564>there's <00:50:01.705>like <00:50:01.845>a, <00:50:01.984>like <00:50:02.125>a, <00:50:02.265>um,

1248
00:50:04.555 --> 00:50:08.885
<00:50:04.555>mainframe <00:50:04.710>demo <00:50:04.866>code <00:50:05.021>also <00:50:05.177>on, <00:50:05.332>on <00:50:05.488>GitHub, <00:50:05.643>but <00:50:05.799>nothing <00:50:05.955>more.

1249
00:50:08.905 --> 00:50:11.965
<00:50:08.905>So <00:50:09.060>we <00:50:09.216>were <00:50:09.371>de <00:50:09.527>desperately <00:50:09.682>craving <00:50:09.838>actually <00:50:09.993>for <00:50:10.149>a <00:50:10.305>customer

1250
00:50:11.965 --> 00:50:13.125
<00:50:11.965>who <00:50:12.173>wants <00:50:12.382>to <00:50:12.591>collaborate <00:50:12.800>with <00:50:13.009>us

1251
00:50:13.185 --> 00:50:15.805
<00:50:13.185>and <00:50:13.340>provide <00:50:13.496>us <00:50:13.651>code <00:50:13.807>to <00:50:13.962>actually <00:50:14.118>test <00:50:14.273>all <00:50:14.429>the <00:50:14.585>wild

1252
00:50:16.065 --> 00:50:17.845
<00:50:16.065>and <00:50:16.345>funny <00:50:16.625>theories <00:50:16.905>we <00:50:17.185>had <00:50:17.465>on,

1253
00:50:18.145 --> 00:50:19.805
<00:50:18.145>and <00:50:18.345>this <00:50:18.545>is <00:50:18.745>how <00:50:18.945>we <00:50:19.145>found <00:50:19.345>bank <00:50:19.545>data,

1254
00:50:19.865 --> 00:50:22.045
<00:50:19.865>who <00:50:20.098>was <00:50:20.331>like <00:50:20.564>a <00:50:20.798>conglomerate <00:50:21.031>of <00:50:21.265>Danish.

1255
00:50:22.225 --> 00:50:25.645
<00:50:22.225>Um, <00:50:22.400>I, <00:50:22.575>so <00:50:22.750>they're <00:50:22.924>providing <00:50:23.100>it <00:50:23.275>for <00:50:23.450>Danish <00:50:23.625>banks

1256
00:50:25.745 --> 00:50:27.410
<00:50:25.745>and <00:50:25.978>they <00:50:26.211>were <00:50:26.444>like <00:50:26.678>kind <00:50:26.911>of <00:50:27.145>experimental

1257
00:50:27.410 --> 00:50:29.925
<00:50:27.410>and <00:50:27.565>they <00:50:27.721>were <00:50:27.876>like, <00:50:28.032>well, <00:50:28.187>let's <00:50:28.343>give <00:50:28.498>it <00:50:28.654>a <00:50:28.810>try.

1258
00:50:30.785 --> 00:50:33.485
<00:50:30.785>And, <00:50:30.984>um, <00:50:31.185>this <00:50:31.384>is <00:50:31.585>how <00:50:31.785>we <00:50:31.984>actually <00:50:32.185>tried

1259
00:50:33.585 --> 00:50:34.805
<00:50:33.585>to <00:50:33.951>approach <00:50:34.317>this <00:50:34.683>problem.

1260
00:50:35.145 --> 00:50:38.165
<00:50:35.145>So <00:50:35.285>we <00:50:35.425>had, <00:50:35.565>like, <00:50:35.705>we <00:50:35.845>started <00:50:35.985>with <00:50:36.125>like <00:50:36.265>one <00:50:36.405>agent, <00:50:36.545>um,

1261
00:50:38.305 --> 00:50:41.245
<00:50:38.305>one <00:50:38.444>agent <00:50:38.585>separately, <00:50:38.725>and <00:50:38.865>also <00:50:39.004>the <00:50:39.145>one <00:50:39.285>agent <00:50:39.424>get <00:50:39.565>a <00:50:39.705>copilot.

1262
00:50:41.245 --> 00:50:44.405
<00:50:41.245>And <00:50:41.384>then <00:50:41.525>we <00:50:41.665>slowly <00:50:41.805>expanded <00:50:41.944>it <00:50:42.085>in <00:50:42.225>kind <00:50:42.365>of <00:50:42.505>a <00:50:42.645>hackathon

1263
00:50:44.405 --> 00:50:48.325
<00:50:44.405>with <00:50:44.580>the <00:50:44.755>customer <00:50:44.930>together <00:50:45.105>into <00:50:45.280>like <00:50:45.455>a <00:50:45.630>multigenic <00:50:45.805>approach

1264
00:50:48.475 --> 00:50:50.485
<00:50:48.475>with <00:50:48.941>orchestration <00:50:49.408>and <00:50:49.875>everything.

1265
00:50:51.265 --> 00:50:54.525
<00:50:51.265>And <00:50:51.392>this <00:50:51.519>then <00:50:51.646>ended <00:50:51.774>up, <00:50:51.901>I <00:50:52.028>don't <00:50:52.155>want <00:50:52.283>to <00:50:52.410>say <00:50:52.537>ended <00:50:52.665>up

1266
00:50:54.525 --> 00:50:55.965
<00:50:54.525>because <00:50:54.784>the <00:50:55.043>project <00:50:55.302>has <00:50:55.561>not <00:50:55.821>ended,

1267
00:50:55.985 --> 00:50:57.805
<00:50:55.985>but <00:50:56.160>it's <00:50:56.335>currently <00:50:56.510>in <00:50:56.685>a, <00:50:56.860>like <00:50:57.035>a <00:50:57.210>good <00:50:57.385>state

1268
00:50:57.805 --> 00:51:00.525
<00:50:57.805>where <00:50:58.038>we <00:50:58.271>actually <00:50:58.504>published <00:50:58.738>this <00:50:58.971>on <00:50:59.205>GitHub,

1269
00:51:00.735 --> 00:51:03.805
<00:51:00.735>under <00:51:00.968>Azure <00:51:01.201>samples <00:51:01.435>for <00:51:01.668>everyone <00:51:01.901>to <00:51:02.135>try.

1270
00:51:03.945 --> 00:51:05.205
<00:51:03.945>And <00:51:04.134>we <00:51:04.323>are <00:51:04.512>very <00:51:04.701>proud <00:51:04.890>of <00:51:05.078>that.

1271
00:51:05.785 --> 00:51:08.445
<00:51:05.785>And <00:51:05.940>this <00:51:06.096>is <00:51:06.251>what <00:51:06.407>the <00:51:06.562>talk <00:51:06.718>was <00:51:06.873>actually <00:51:07.029>about <00:51:07.185>how

1272
00:51:08.445 --> 00:51:11.295
<00:51:08.445>to <00:51:08.678>actually, <00:51:08.911>how <00:51:09.145>we <00:51:09.378>actually <00:51:09.611>got <00:51:09.845>there.

1273
00:51:12.205 --> 00:51:14.055
<00:51:12.205>It's <00:51:12.438>interesting <00:51:12.671>because <00:51:12.904>there <00:51:13.138>is <00:51:13.371>the <00:51:13.605>issue

1274
00:51:14.055 --> 00:51:15.735
<00:51:14.055>that <00:51:14.288>you <00:51:14.521>said <00:51:14.754>people <00:51:14.988>are <00:51:15.221>literally <00:51:15.455>dying,

1275
00:51:15.755 --> 00:51:17.895
<00:51:15.755>but <00:51:15.988>they're <00:51:16.221>also <00:51:16.455>just <00:51:16.688>going <00:51:16.921>into <00:51:17.155>pension

1276
00:51:17.995 --> 00:51:19.135
<00:51:17.995>and <00:51:18.337>they're <00:51:18.679>becoming <00:51:19.021>pensioners.

1277
00:51:19.255 --> 00:51:21.375
<00:51:19.255>I <00:51:19.410>mean, <00:51:19.566>but <00:51:19.721>that's <00:51:19.877>what <00:51:20.032>a <00:51:20.188>German <00:51:20.343>government <00:51:20.499>helps <00:51:20.655>us

1278
00:51:21.435 --> 00:51:23.775
<00:51:21.435>by <00:51:21.668>pushing <00:51:21.901>that <00:51:22.134>age <00:51:22.368>every, <00:51:22.601>every <00:51:22.835>year

1279
00:51:23.835 --> 00:51:25.015
<00:51:23.835>for <00:51:24.100>like <00:51:24.366>another <00:51:24.631>five <00:51:24.897>years.

1280
00:51:25.635 --> 00:51:29.575
<00:51:25.635>But, <00:51:25.762>uh, <00:51:25.889>the, <00:51:26.016>but <00:51:26.144>the, <00:51:26.271>the <00:51:26.398>problem <00:51:26.525>with <00:51:26.653>it <00:51:26.780>is <00:51:26.907>like, <00:51:27.035>uh,

1281
00:51:29.725 --> 00:51:31.975
<00:51:29.725>that <00:51:30.005>code <00:51:30.285>was <00:51:30.565>never <00:51:30.845>uploaded <00:51:31.125>anywhere

1282
00:51:31.975 --> 00:51:33.455
<00:51:31.975>because <00:51:32.241>it <00:51:32.507>was <00:51:32.774>on <00:51:33.040>a <00:51:33.307>mainframe.

1283
00:51:33.515 --> 00:51:35.935
<00:51:33.515>And <00:51:33.714>I <00:51:33.915>also <00:51:34.115>found <00:51:34.315>that <00:51:34.515>both <00:51:34.714>with <00:51:34.915>FORTRAN

1284
00:51:36.195 --> 00:51:39.295
<00:51:36.195>and <00:51:36.395>with <00:51:36.595>Cobalt, <00:51:36.795>it's <00:51:36.995>very <00:51:37.195>much <00:51:37.395>hardware <00:51:37.595>optimized.

1285
00:51:39.325 --> 00:51:42.095
<00:51:39.325>It's, <00:51:39.500>it's <00:51:39.674>depending <00:51:39.850>on <00:51:40.024>which <00:51:40.200>mainframe <00:51:40.375>it's <00:51:40.549>running <00:51:40.725>on

1286
00:51:42.095 --> 00:51:43.255
<00:51:42.095>as <00:51:42.442>400 <00:51:42.791>or <00:51:43.139>whatever,

1287
00:51:43.565 --> 00:51:46.215
<00:51:43.565>that <00:51:43.705>basically <00:51:43.845>you <00:51:43.985>cannot <00:51:44.125>convert <00:51:44.265>it <00:51:44.405>from <00:51:44.545>one <00:51:44.685>to <00:51:44.825>the <00:51:44.965>other.

1288
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<00:51:46.565>Yeah. <00:51:46.798>So <00:51:47.031>it's, <00:51:47.265>it's <00:51:47.498>basically <00:51:47.731>code <00:51:47.965>written

1289
00:51:48.595 --> 00:51:50.575
<00:51:48.595>by <00:51:48.828>somebody <00:51:49.061>they <00:51:49.294>locked <00:51:49.528>into <00:51:49.761>an <00:51:49.995>office

1290
00:51:50.715 --> 00:51:53.175
<00:51:50.715>and <00:51:50.855>told <00:51:50.995>them <00:51:51.135>to <00:51:51.275>maintain <00:51:51.415>it <00:51:51.555>for <00:51:51.695>the <00:51:51.835>next <00:51:51.975>30 <00:51:52.115>years.

1291
00:51:53.445 --> 00:51:55.135
<00:51:53.445>They <00:51:53.620>never <00:51:53.795>had <00:51:53.970>a <00:51:54.145>chance <00:51:54.320>to <00:51:54.495>actually <00:51:54.670>do <00:51:54.845>it.

1292
00:51:55.135 --> 00:51:56.215
<00:51:55.135>And <00:51:55.378>this <00:51:55.621>is <00:51:55.864>really <00:51:56.107>interesting

1293
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<00:51:56.215>because <00:51:56.370>if <00:51:56.526>you <00:51:56.681>had <00:51:56.837>languages <00:51:56.992>that <00:51:57.148>in <00:51:57.303>between, <00:51:57.459>like, <00:51:57.615>uh,

1294
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<00:52:00.255>I <00:52:00.535>mean <00:52:00.815>that's <00:52:01.095>why <00:52:01.375>JavaScript <00:52:01.655>code

1295
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<00:52:01.995>to <00:52:02.275>Code <00:52:02.555>Generation <00:52:02.835>is <00:52:03.115>much <00:52:03.395>better

1296
00:52:04.055 --> 00:52:06.535
<00:52:04.055>because <00:52:04.194>it <00:52:04.335>was, <00:52:04.475>it <00:52:04.615>was <00:52:04.754>online <00:52:04.895>from <00:52:05.035>the <00:52:05.174>very <00:52:05.315>get <00:52:05.455>go

1297
00:52:06.555 --> 00:52:08.655
<00:52:06.555>and <00:52:06.710>it <00:52:06.866>was <00:52:07.021>open <00:52:07.177>source <00:52:07.332>from <00:52:07.488>the <00:52:07.643>very <00:52:07.799>get <00:52:07.955>go.

1298
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<00:52:09.125>Like <00:52:09.300>most <00:52:09.475>of <00:52:09.650>these <00:52:09.825>languages, <00:52:10.000>they <00:52:10.175>never <00:52:10.350>had <00:52:10.525>their,

1299
00:52:11.995 --> 00:52:14.615
<00:52:11.995>had <00:52:12.194>their, <00:52:12.395>they <00:52:12.595>had <00:52:12.795>their <00:52:12.995>internal <00:52:13.194>SVN <00:52:13.395>repositories

1300
00:52:14.615 --> 00:52:17.815
<00:52:14.615>or <00:52:14.790>mercurial <00:52:14.964>repositories, <00:52:15.140>but <00:52:15.314>it <00:52:15.490>never <00:52:15.665>got <00:52:15.839>into <00:52:16.015>GitHub.

1301
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<00:52:17.835>It <00:52:18.083>never <00:52:18.331>got <00:52:18.580>into <00:52:18.828>the <00:52:19.077>public.

1302
00:52:19.395 --> 00:52:22.215
<00:52:19.395>So <00:52:19.570>there <00:52:19.745>was <00:52:19.920>no <00:52:20.095>way <00:52:20.270>for <00:52:20.445>these <00:52:20.620>code <00:52:20.795>agents

1303
00:52:22.275 --> 00:52:23.935
<00:52:22.275>to <00:52:22.625>learn <00:52:22.975>about <00:52:23.325>these <00:52:23.675>languages.

1304
00:52:24.395 --> 00:52:26.975
<00:52:24.395>But <00:52:24.570>it's <00:52:24.745>a <00:52:24.920>very, <00:52:25.095>very <00:52:25.270>big <00:52:25.445>thing <00:52:25.620>that <00:52:25.795>needs

1305
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<00:52:26.975>to <00:52:27.299>happen <00:52:27.623>right <00:52:27.946>now.

1306
00:52:28.435 --> 00:52:31.695
<00:52:28.435>And <00:52:28.590>uh, <00:52:28.746>it <00:52:28.901>would <00:52:29.057>be <00:52:29.212>interesting <00:52:29.368>to <00:52:29.523>see <00:52:29.679>if <00:52:29.835>there,

1307
00:52:31.915 --> 00:52:35.095
<00:52:31.915>we <00:52:32.031>can <00:52:32.148>do <00:52:32.265>a <00:52:32.381>call <00:52:32.498>out <00:52:32.615>here <00:52:32.731>like, <00:52:32.848>who <00:52:32.965>else <00:52:33.081>has <00:52:33.198>Cobalt <00:52:33.315>code

1308
00:52:35.195 --> 00:52:38.495
<00:52:35.195>or <00:52:35.335>FORTRAN <00:52:35.475>code <00:52:35.615>or <00:52:35.755>any <00:52:35.895>of <00:52:36.035>these <00:52:36.175>legacy <00:52:36.315>code <00:52:36.455>out <00:52:36.595>there,

1309
00:52:38.795 --> 00:52:41.575
<00:52:38.795>please <00:52:38.970>at <00:52:39.145>least <00:52:39.320>put <00:52:39.495>them <00:52:39.670>on <00:52:39.845>GitHub <00:52:40.020>for <00:52:40.195>indexing

1310
00:52:41.595 --> 00:52:44.295
<00:52:41.595>or <00:52:41.750>just <00:52:41.906>send <00:52:42.061>them <00:52:42.217>to, <00:52:42.372>to, <00:52:42.528>uh, <00:52:42.683>to <00:52:42.839>this <00:52:42.995>team

1311
00:52:44.715 --> 00:52:45.975
<00:52:44.715>to <00:52:44.904>actually <00:52:45.093>take <00:52:45.282>a <00:52:45.471>look <00:52:45.660>at <00:52:45.849>it.

1312
00:52:45.975 --> 00:52:49.255
<00:52:45.975>Because <00:52:46.130>you <00:52:46.286>can <00:52:46.441>only <00:52:46.597>learn <00:52:46.752>from <00:52:46.908>code <00:52:47.063>that's <00:52:47.219>out <00:52:47.375>there.

1313
00:52:49.395 --> 00:52:53.815
<00:52:49.395>But <00:52:49.570>if <00:52:49.745>the <00:52:49.920>highly <00:52:50.095>optimized, <00:52:50.270>uh, <00:52:50.445>language <00:52:50.620>like <00:52:50.795>Cobalt,

1314
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<00:52:55.485>it's <00:52:55.951>tricky <00:52:56.418>because <00:52:56.885>there,

1315
00:52:57.055 --> 00:52:58.775
<00:52:57.055>there's <00:52:57.288>no <00:52:57.521>generic <00:52:57.754>code <00:52:57.988>you <00:52:58.221>can <00:52:58.455>write.

1316
00:52:59.465 --> 00:53:01.275
<00:52:59.465>Yeah, <00:52:59.815>there's <00:53:00.165>no <00:53:00.515>generic <00:53:00.865>code,

1317
00:53:01.495 --> 00:53:02.875
<00:53:01.495>no <00:53:01.743>cohort <00:53:01.991>code <00:53:02.240>looks <00:53:02.488>the <00:53:02.737>same

1318
00:53:02.875 --> 00:53:05.595
<00:53:02.875>because <00:53:03.015>back <00:53:03.155>then <00:53:03.295>it <00:53:03.435>was <00:53:03.575>also <00:53:03.715>with <00:53:03.855>Java <00:53:03.995>at <00:53:04.135>the <00:53:04.275>time,

1319
00:53:05.595 --> 00:53:08.235
<00:53:05.595>20 <00:53:05.750>years <00:53:05.906>ago, <00:53:06.061>where <00:53:06.217>we <00:53:06.372>thought <00:53:06.528>we <00:53:06.683>had <00:53:06.839>the <00:53:06.995>audacity

1320
00:53:08.505 --> 00:53:11.235
<00:53:08.505>that <00:53:08.705>we <00:53:08.905>could <00:53:09.105>do <00:53:09.305>large <00:53:09.505>programming <00:53:09.705>languages <00:53:09.905>better

1321
00:53:11.295 --> 00:53:12.755
<00:53:11.295>by <00:53:11.514>putting <00:53:11.733>front <00:53:11.952>end <00:53:12.171>on <00:53:12.390>top <00:53:12.609>of,

1322
00:53:12.755 --> 00:53:15.155
<00:53:12.755>or <00:53:12.895>like <00:53:13.035>a <00:53:13.175>framework <00:53:13.315>on <00:53:13.455>top <00:53:13.595>of <00:53:13.735>it, <00:53:13.875>like <00:53:14.015>a <00:53:14.155>a,

1323
00:53:15.455 --> 00:53:18.235
<00:53:15.455>an <00:53:15.654>company-wide <00:53:15.855>framework <00:53:16.055>to <00:53:16.255>just <00:53:16.455>make <00:53:16.654>it <00:53:16.855>better.

1324
00:53:18.235 --> 00:53:21.115
<00:53:18.235>Right? <00:53:18.410>And <00:53:18.585>this <00:53:18.760>is <00:53:18.935>why <00:53:19.110>this <00:53:19.285>is <00:53:19.460>the <00:53:19.635>same

1325
00:53:21.135 --> 00:53:22.355
<00:53:21.135>for <00:53:21.501>Cobra <00:53:21.867>code <00:53:22.233>actually.

1326
00:53:22.455 --> 00:53:23.795
<00:53:22.455>So <00:53:22.857>every <00:53:23.259>Cobra <00:53:23.661>code

1327
00:53:23.795 --> 00:53:26.925
<00:53:23.795>and <00:53:23.970>I <00:53:24.145>see <00:53:24.320>also <00:53:24.495>P <00:53:24.670>one <00:53:24.845>code, <00:53:25.020>they <00:53:25.195>kind

1328
00:53:26.925 --> 00:53:29.725
<00:53:26.925>of <00:53:27.052>have <00:53:27.179>like <00:53:27.306>their <00:53:27.434>own <00:53:27.561>slang <00:53:27.688>and <00:53:27.815>their <00:53:27.943>own <00:53:28.070>way <00:53:28.197>of <00:53:28.325>working.

1329
00:53:30.105 --> 00:53:31.205
<00:53:30.105>So <00:53:30.435>it's <00:53:30.765>really <00:53:31.095>important

1330
00:53:31.205 --> 00:53:33.085
<00:53:31.205>that <00:53:31.438>we <00:53:31.671>get <00:53:31.904>more <00:53:32.138>resources <00:53:32.371>out <00:53:32.605>there

1331
00:53:33.185 --> 00:53:35.725
<00:53:33.185>to <00:53:33.360>actually <00:53:33.535>help <00:53:33.710>AI <00:53:33.884>make <00:53:34.060>sense <00:53:34.235>out <00:53:34.410>of <00:53:34.585>it.

1332
00:53:36.225 --> 00:53:37.685
<00:53:36.225>Um, <00:53:36.663>and <00:53:37.101>there's <00:53:37.538>also,

1333
00:53:37.685 --> 00:53:39.205
<00:53:37.685>there <00:53:37.837>was <00:53:37.989>also <00:53:38.141>something <00:53:38.293>else <00:53:38.444>that <00:53:38.596>I <00:53:38.749>want <00:53:38.901>to <00:53:39.053>say.

1334
00:53:39.205 --> 00:53:42.365
<00:53:39.205>Ah, <00:53:39.332>I'm <00:53:39.459>talking <00:53:39.586>about <00:53:39.714>like <00:53:39.841>that <00:53:39.968>COBOL <00:53:40.095>and <00:53:40.223>P <00:53:40.350>one <00:53:40.477>and <00:53:40.605>for,

1335
00:53:42.425 --> 00:53:45.205
<00:53:42.425>and <00:53:42.580>everything <00:53:42.736>is <00:53:42.891>so <00:53:43.047>closely <00:53:43.202>tied <00:53:43.358>to <00:53:43.513>the <00:53:43.669>hardware, <00:53:43.825>right?

1336
00:53:45.305 --> 00:53:49.125
<00:53:45.305>The <00:53:45.444>problem <00:53:45.585>is <00:53:45.725>here <00:53:45.865>that <00:53:46.004>we <00:53:46.145>cannot <00:53:46.285>treat <00:53:46.424>every <00:53:46.565>cobalt <00:53:46.705>code

1337
00:53:49.425 --> 00:53:51.885
<00:53:49.425>as <00:53:49.705>like <00:53:49.985>the <00:53:50.265>same <00:53:50.545>way <00:53:50.825>marketable

1338
00:53:51.885 --> 00:53:54.365
<00:53:51.885>because <00:53:52.165>sometimes <00:53:52.445>we <00:53:52.725>have <00:53:53.005>non-functional <00:53:53.285>requirements.

1339
00:53:54.585 --> 00:53:57.645
<00:53:54.585>So <00:53:54.740>this <00:53:54.896>input <00:53:55.051>output <00:53:55.207>pattern <00:53:55.362>for <00:53:55.518>example, <00:53:55.673>or <00:53:55.829>threat <00:53:55.985>safety

1340
00:53:57.705 --> 00:54:00.525
<00:53:57.705>or <00:53:57.904>like <00:53:58.105>this <00:53:58.305>a <00:53:58.505>hundred <00:53:58.705>percent, <00:53:58.904>um, <00:53:59.105>safety

1341
00:54:00.625 --> 00:54:03.965
<00:54:00.625>or <00:54:00.765>rolling <00:54:00.905>back <00:54:01.045>like <00:54:01.185>process <00:54:01.325>on <00:54:01.465>the <00:54:01.605>mainframe <00:54:01.745>that <00:54:01.885>we <00:54:02.025>have

1342
00:54:03.985 --> 00:54:07.125
<00:54:03.985>and <00:54:04.140>also <00:54:04.296>like <00:54:04.451>these <00:54:04.607>very <00:54:04.762>far <00:54:04.918>processing <00:54:05.073>of <00:54:05.229>large <00:54:05.385>amounts

1343
00:54:07.125 --> 00:54:09.805
<00:54:07.125>of <00:54:07.265>data <00:54:07.405>when <00:54:07.545>we <00:54:07.685>want <00:54:07.825>to <00:54:07.965>try <00:54:08.105>to <00:54:08.245>think <00:54:08.385>this <00:54:08.525>new

1344
00:54:10.145 --> 00:54:13.525
<00:54:10.145>and <00:54:10.272>trying <00:54:10.399>to <00:54:10.526>optimize <00:54:10.654>the <00:54:10.781>hell <00:54:10.908>out <00:54:11.035>of <00:54:11.163>it <00:54:11.290>in <00:54:11.417>the <00:54:11.545>Microsoft

1345
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<00:54:13.525>or <00:54:13.725>cloud <00:54:13.925>say, <00:54:14.125>uh, <00:54:14.325>cloud <00:54:14.525>way <00:54:14.725>of <00:54:14.925>thinking,

1346
00:54:16.145 --> 00:54:17.445
<00:54:16.145>we <00:54:16.379>want <00:54:16.613>to <00:54:16.847>cloud <00:54:17.081>native <00:54:17.315>this.

1347
00:54:17.625 --> 00:54:20.765
<00:54:17.625>How <00:54:17.825>can <00:54:18.025>we <00:54:18.225>actually <00:54:18.425>apply <00:54:18.625>these <00:54:18.825>non-factor <00:54:19.025>requirements

1348
00:54:20.865 --> 00:54:22.845
<00:54:20.865>to <00:54:21.098>a <00:54:21.331>distributed <00:54:21.564>system <00:54:21.798>on <00:54:22.031>a <00:54:22.265>Kubernetes?

1349
00:54:23.145 --> 00:54:27.205
<00:54:23.145>The <00:54:23.252>answer <00:54:23.360>is <00:54:23.468>we <00:54:23.575>can, <00:54:23.683>we <00:54:23.791>can, <00:54:23.898>or <00:54:24.006>we <00:54:24.114>can, <00:54:24.221>but <00:54:24.329>it's <00:54:24.437>not <00:54:24.545>easy.

1350
00:54:27.345 --> 00:54:28.805
<00:54:27.345>We <00:54:27.564>really <00:54:27.783>need <00:54:28.002>to <00:54:28.221>think <00:54:28.439>this <00:54:28.658>through.

1351
00:54:28.945 --> 00:54:31.685
<00:54:28.945>So <00:54:29.145>migrating, <00:54:29.345>getting <00:54:29.545>the <00:54:29.745>business <00:54:29.945>logic <00:54:30.145>out <00:54:30.345>of

1352
00:54:31.685 --> 00:54:32.805
<00:54:31.685>that <00:54:31.937>is <00:54:32.189>the <00:54:32.441>one <00:54:32.692>thing,

1353
00:54:32.825 --> 00:54:36.045
<00:54:32.825>but <00:54:33.000>actually <00:54:33.174>making <00:54:33.350>sense <00:54:33.524>of <00:54:33.700>the <00:54:33.875>be <00:54:34.049>the <00:54:34.225>architecture

1354
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<00:54:36.045>behind <00:54:36.278>it <00:54:36.511>and <00:54:36.745>not <00:54:36.978>quite <00:54:37.211>sure <00:54:37.445>requirements,

1355
00:54:38.245 --> 00:54:40.085
<00:54:38.245>it's <00:54:38.525>like <00:54:38.805>a <00:54:39.085>completely <00:54:39.365>different <00:54:39.645>topic.

1356
00:54:40.865 --> 00:54:44.445
<00:54:40.865>And <00:54:40.972>I <00:54:41.080>don't <00:54:41.188>know <00:54:41.295>about <00:54:41.403>you, <00:54:41.511>so <00:54:41.618>I <00:54:41.726>tried <00:54:41.834>a <00:54:41.941>few <00:54:42.049>AI <00:54:42.157>tools <00:54:42.265>now

1357
00:54:44.785 --> 00:54:47.925
<00:54:44.785>and <00:54:44.940>none <00:54:45.096>of <00:54:45.251>them <00:54:45.407>is <00:54:45.562>really <00:54:45.718>good <00:54:45.873>at <00:54:46.029>doing <00:54:46.185>software

1358
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<00:54:47.965>architecture <00:54:48.140>or <00:54:48.315>software <00:54:48.490>design <00:54:48.665>in <00:54:48.840>a <00:54:49.015>very <00:54:49.190>good <00:54:49.365>way,

1359
00:54:51.265 --> 00:54:52.405
<00:54:51.265>but <00:54:51.470>with <00:54:51.675>a <00:54:51.880>lot <00:54:52.085>of <00:54:52.291>help.

1360
00:54:52.785 --> 00:54:55.685
<00:54:52.785>And, <00:54:52.940>um, <00:54:53.096>this <00:54:53.251>is <00:54:53.407>also <00:54:53.562>something <00:54:53.718>we <00:54:53.873>are <00:54:54.029>currently <00:54:54.185>facing

1361
00:54:55.835 --> 00:54:58.245
<00:54:55.835>with <00:54:56.185>this <00:54:56.535>Multigenic <00:54:56.885>framework <00:54:57.235>in

1362
00:54:58.245 --> 00:54:59.525
<00:54:58.245>Symantec <00:54:58.533>kernel <00:54:58.821>that <00:54:59.109>we <00:54:59.397>created.

1363
00:55:00.105 --> 00:55:04.205
<00:55:00.105>Um, <00:55:00.245>having <00:55:00.385>like <00:55:00.525>an <00:55:00.665>agent <00:55:00.805>only <00:55:00.945>taking <00:55:01.085>care <00:55:01.225>of <00:55:01.365>system <00:55:01.505>design.

1364
00:55:04.355 --> 00:55:06.935
<00:55:04.355>It's <00:55:04.705>tricky. <00:55:05.055>It's <00:55:05.405>really <00:55:05.755>hard.

1365
00:55:08.395 --> 00:55:10.525
<00:55:08.395>Well, <00:55:08.550>it's <00:55:08.706>the <00:55:08.861>one <00:55:09.017>thing <00:55:09.172>where <00:55:09.328>basically <00:55:09.483>you <00:55:09.639>have <00:55:09.795>like

1366
00:55:10.525 --> 00:55:12.405
<00:55:10.525>senior <00:55:10.875>engineers <00:55:11.225>still <00:55:11.575>still <00:55:11.925>fight

1367
00:55:12.425 --> 00:55:13.565
<00:55:12.425>for <00:55:12.630>their <00:55:12.835>jobs, <00:55:13.040>so <00:55:13.245>to <00:55:13.451>say.

1368
00:55:13.565 --> 00:55:15.645
<00:55:13.565>Like, <00:55:14.031>I <00:55:14.498>mean <00:55:14.965>it's,

1369
00:55:15.825 --> 00:55:19.245
<00:55:15.825>but <00:55:15.952>I <00:55:16.079>mean <00:55:16.206>when <00:55:16.334>you <00:55:16.461>get <00:55:16.588>like <00:55:16.715>companies <00:55:16.843>that <00:55:16.970>are <00:55:17.097>AI <00:55:17.225>first,

1370
00:55:19.315 --> 00:55:20.925
<00:55:19.315>they <00:55:19.595>actually <00:55:19.875>say <00:55:20.155>that <00:55:20.435>like <00:55:20.715>the,

1371
00:55:20.945 --> 00:55:22.485
<00:55:20.945>the <00:55:21.143>job <00:55:21.341>is <00:55:21.539>to <00:55:21.737>write <00:55:21.935>a <00:55:22.133>good <00:55:22.331>spec.

1372
00:55:22.505 --> 00:55:24.765
<00:55:22.505>The <00:55:22.645>right <00:55:22.785>is <00:55:22.925>to <00:55:23.065>good, <00:55:23.205>to <00:55:23.345>write <00:55:23.485>a <00:55:23.625>good <00:55:23.765>system <00:55:23.905>design

1373
00:55:24.765 --> 00:55:27.045
<00:55:24.765>and <00:55:24.940>then <00:55:25.115>let <00:55:25.290>the <00:55:25.464>code <00:55:25.640>generate <00:55:25.815>it <00:55:25.990>from <00:55:26.165>there.

1374
00:55:27.465 --> 00:55:29.325
<00:55:27.465>But <00:55:27.640>I <00:55:27.815>mean, <00:55:27.990>how <00:55:28.165>do <00:55:28.340>you <00:55:28.515>reach <00:55:28.690>that <00:55:28.865>level?

1375
00:55:29.505 --> 00:55:30.525
<00:55:29.505>How <00:55:29.734>do <00:55:29.964>you <00:55:30.193>get <00:55:30.423>into

1376
00:55:30.525 --> 00:55:32.365
<00:55:30.525>that <00:55:30.725>knowledge <00:55:30.925>if <00:55:31.125>you <00:55:31.325>haven't <00:55:31.525>written <00:55:31.725>code <00:55:31.925>before?

1377
00:55:32.425 --> 00:55:35.165
<00:55:32.425>That's <00:55:32.625>the, <00:55:32.825>that's <00:55:33.025>the <00:55:33.225>the <00:55:33.425>endless <00:55:33.625>thing <00:55:33.825>there.

1378
00:55:35.165 --> 00:55:38.365
<00:55:35.165>Like <00:55:35.292>it's <00:55:35.419>a, <00:55:35.546>it's <00:55:35.674>a <00:55:35.801>very <00:55:35.928>bizarre <00:55:36.055>world <00:55:36.183>that <00:55:36.310>we <00:55:36.437>are <00:55:36.565>in

1379
00:55:38.365 --> 00:55:41.645
<00:55:38.365>where <00:55:38.540>we've <00:55:38.714>supposed <00:55:38.890>to, <00:55:39.064>we <00:55:39.240>get <00:55:39.415>applauded <00:55:39.589>for <00:55:39.765>writing,

1380
00:55:41.825 --> 00:55:43.525
<00:55:41.825>for <00:55:42.058>generating <00:55:42.291>lots <00:55:42.524>of <00:55:42.758>lines <00:55:42.991>of <00:55:43.225>code,

1381
00:55:43.745 --> 00:55:45.525
<00:55:43.745>but <00:55:43.978>we <00:55:44.211>don't <00:55:44.444>get <00:55:44.678>applauded <00:55:44.911>for <00:55:45.145>thinking

1382
00:55:45.525 --> 00:55:46.805
<00:55:45.525>before <00:55:45.813>we <00:55:46.101>actually <00:55:46.389>start <00:55:46.676>coding.

1383
00:55:47.515 --> 00:55:49.605
<00:55:47.515>Yeah. <00:55:47.670>It's <00:55:47.826>also <00:55:47.981>like <00:55:48.137>a <00:55:48.292>hand <00:55:48.448>and <00:55:48.603>egg <00:55:48.759>problem, <00:55:48.915>right?

1384
00:55:49.905 --> 00:55:53.685
<00:55:49.905>We <00:55:50.060>try <00:55:50.216>to <00:55:50.371>generate <00:55:50.527>good, <00:55:50.682>to <00:55:50.838>generate <00:55:50.993>good <00:55:51.149>prompts <00:55:51.305>to

1385
00:55:53.875 --> 00:55:56.205
<00:55:53.875>that <00:55:54.075>these <00:55:54.275>good <00:55:54.475>prompts <00:55:54.675>generate <00:55:54.875>us <00:55:55.075>good <00:55:55.275>code,

1386
00:55:56.345 --> 00:55:57.925
<00:55:56.345>but <00:55:56.578>what <00:55:56.811>does <00:55:57.044>good <00:55:57.278>code <00:55:57.511>look <00:55:57.745>like?

1387
00:55:57.985 --> 00:56:00.725
<00:55:57.985>And <00:55:58.125>do <00:55:58.265>we <00:55:58.405>need <00:55:58.545>code <00:55:58.685>to <00:55:58.825>actually <00:55:58.965>generate <00:55:59.105>good <00:55:59.245>prompts, <00:55:59.385>to

1388
00:56:01.245 --> 00:56:03.245
<00:56:01.245>generate <00:56:01.444>more <00:56:01.645>good <00:56:01.845>prompts <00:56:02.045>to <00:56:02.245>generate <00:56:02.444>good <00:56:02.645>code?

1389
00:56:03.245 --> 00:56:05.605
<00:56:03.245>Where <00:56:03.420>do <00:56:03.595>you <00:56:03.770>actually <00:56:03.944>start <00:56:04.120>to <00:56:04.295>solve <00:56:04.470>this <00:56:04.645>problem?

1390
00:56:06.875 --> 00:56:09.565
<00:56:06.875>Well, <00:56:07.030>it's <00:56:07.186>tricky, <00:56:07.341>but <00:56:07.497>uh, <00:56:07.652>it's <00:56:07.808>interesting <00:56:07.963>to <00:56:08.119>see <00:56:08.275>that

1391
00:56:09.565 --> 00:56:12.045
<00:56:09.565>that, <00:56:09.740>that <00:56:09.915>there <00:56:10.090>is <00:56:10.265>an, <00:56:10.440>an <00:56:10.615>approach <00:56:10.790>to <00:56:10.965>that

1392
00:56:12.045 --> 00:56:15.285
<00:56:12.045>because <00:56:12.220>I <00:56:12.395>remember <00:56:12.570>when <00:56:12.745>I <00:56:12.920>joined <00:56:13.095>Microsoft <00:56:13.270>in <00:56:13.445>2015,

1393
00:56:15.425 --> 00:56:16.805
<00:56:15.425>we <00:56:15.632>looked <00:56:15.839>at <00:56:16.046>like, <00:56:16.253>how <00:56:16.460>do <00:56:16.667>we,

1394
00:56:16.865 --> 00:56:19.605
<00:56:16.865>how <00:56:17.098>can <00:56:17.331>we <00:56:17.564>get <00:56:17.798>old <00:56:18.031>COBOL <00:56:18.265>environments

1395
00:56:19.705 --> 00:56:22.445
<00:56:19.705>or <00:56:19.938>old <00:56:20.171>mainframe <00:56:20.404>environments <00:56:20.638>onto <00:56:20.871>the <00:56:21.105>cloud?

1396
00:56:22.465 --> 00:56:24.765
<00:56:22.465>And <00:56:22.640>there <00:56:22.815>was <00:56:22.990>no <00:56:23.165>way <00:56:23.340>to <00:56:23.515>automatically <00:56:23.690>convert <00:56:23.865>that.

1397
00:56:25.385 --> 00:56:27.485
<00:56:25.385>And <00:56:25.665>hopefully <00:56:25.945>with <00:56:26.225>like <00:56:26.505>more <00:56:26.785>learning

1398
00:56:27.505 --> 00:56:30.005
<00:56:27.505>and <00:56:27.632>more <00:56:27.759>data <00:56:27.886>coming <00:56:28.014>in, <00:56:28.141>there <00:56:28.268>is <00:56:28.395>a <00:56:28.523>way <00:56:28.650>to <00:56:28.777>actually <00:56:28.905>make

1399
00:56:30.005 --> 00:56:33.725
<00:56:30.005>that <00:56:30.160>happen <00:56:30.316>because <00:56:30.471>we <00:56:30.627>are, <00:56:30.782>we're <00:56:30.938>dependent <00:56:31.093>on <00:56:31.249>that <00:56:31.405>stuff.

1400
00:56:33.925 --> 00:56:36.205
<00:56:33.925>I <00:56:34.065>mean <00:56:34.205>it's, <00:56:34.345>it's, <00:56:34.485>it's <00:56:34.625>easy <00:56:34.765>to <00:56:34.905>make <00:56:35.045>fun <00:56:35.185>of <00:56:35.325>it,

1401
00:56:36.265 --> 00:56:40.845
<00:56:36.265>but <00:56:36.404>actually <00:56:36.545>most <00:56:36.685>of <00:56:36.825>the <00:56:36.964>ver <00:56:37.105>the, <00:56:37.245>the <00:56:37.384>uh, <00:56:37.525>the <00:56:37.665>infrastructure

1402
00:56:40.845 --> 00:56:42.805
<00:56:40.845>that's <00:56:41.194>necessary <00:56:41.544>for <00:56:41.895>day-to-day <00:56:42.245>lives,

1403
00:56:43.055 --> 00:56:46.085
<00:56:43.055>banks <00:56:43.288>en <00:56:43.521>environments <00:56:43.754>like <00:56:43.988>insurances, <00:56:44.221>the <00:56:44.455>things

1404
00:56:46.275 --> 00:56:49.205
<00:56:46.275>that <00:56:46.415>you <00:56:46.555>actually <00:56:46.695>need <00:56:46.835>to <00:56:46.975>connect <00:56:47.115>with <00:56:47.255>real <00:56:47.395>life, <00:56:47.535>not <00:56:47.675>like,

1405
00:56:49.265 --> 00:56:53.045
<00:56:49.265>oh, <00:56:49.404>my <00:56:49.545>game <00:56:49.685>doesn't <00:56:49.825>work, <00:56:49.964>is <00:56:50.105>all <00:56:50.245>really <00:56:50.384>relying <00:56:50.525>on <00:56:50.665>very,

1406
00:56:53.075 --> 00:56:55.325
<00:56:53.075>very <00:56:53.274>old <00:56:53.475>infrastructure <00:56:53.674>and <00:56:53.875>very, <00:56:54.075>very <00:56:54.274>old <00:56:54.475>code.

1407
00:56:55.835 --> 00:56:57.805
<00:56:55.835>Yeah. <00:56:55.990>And <00:56:56.146>this <00:56:56.301>is <00:56:56.457>not <00:56:56.612>only <00:56:56.768>true <00:56:56.923>for <00:56:57.079>cobal, <00:56:57.235>right?

1408
00:56:58.085 --> 00:57:02.085
<00:56:58.085>A <00:56:58.240>lot <00:56:58.396>of <00:56:58.551>core <00:56:58.707>business <00:56:58.862>business <00:56:59.018>applications <00:56:59.173>at <00:56:59.329>the <00:56:59.485>most

1409
00:57:02.405 --> 00:57:03.765
<00:57:02.405>European <00:57:02.813>organizations <00:57:03.221>at <00:57:03.629>least

1410
00:57:03.765 --> 00:57:05.765
<00:57:03.765>that <00:57:04.045>I <00:57:04.325>see <00:57:04.605>are <00:57:04.884>legacy <00:57:05.165>applications.

1411
00:57:05.765 --> 00:57:07.005
<00:57:05.765>They <00:57:06.044>may <00:57:06.323>not <00:57:06.602>be <00:57:06.881>Cobalt,

1412
00:57:07.145 --> 00:57:10.245
<00:57:07.145>but <00:57:07.300>they <00:57:07.456>may <00:57:07.611>be <00:57:07.767>a <00:57:07.922>Java <00:57:08.078>outdated <00:57:08.233>like <00:57:08.389>10 <00:57:08.545>years

1413
00:57:10.305 --> 00:57:11.725
<00:57:10.305>ago <00:57:10.624>and <00:57:10.944>it's <00:57:11.263>still <00:57:11.583>running.

1414
00:57:11.865 --> 00:57:14.365
<00:57:11.865>Or <00:57:12.145>like <00:57:12.424>whole, <00:57:12.705>like <00:57:12.984>server <00:57:13.265>infrastructures

1415
00:57:14.365 --> 00:57:17.205
<00:57:14.365>who <00:57:14.540>still <00:57:14.714>rely <00:57:14.890>on <00:57:15.064>Windows <00:57:15.240>p <00:57:15.415>something <00:57:15.589>like <00:57:15.765>that.

1416
00:57:17.865 --> 00:57:19.765
<00:57:17.865>Ca <00:57:18.214>obviously <00:57:18.564>this <00:57:18.915>is <00:57:19.265>like

1417
00:57:20.425 --> 00:57:21.165
<00:57:20.425>2000. <00:57:21.091>Yeah,

1418
00:57:21.675 --> 00:57:22.675
<00:57:21.675>Yeah. <00:57:21.900>This <00:57:22.125>is <00:57:22.350>like <00:57:22.575>an

1419
00:57:22.675 --> 00:57:23.325
<00:57:22.675>infrastructure <00:57:23.259>problem

1420
00:57:23.465 --> 00:57:26.805
<00:57:23.465>and <00:57:23.592>not <00:57:23.719>a <00:57:23.846>code <00:57:23.974>problem, <00:57:24.101>but <00:57:24.228>usually <00:57:24.355>these <00:57:24.483>go <00:57:24.610>hand <00:57:24.737>in <00:57:24.865>hand.

1421
00:57:27.105 --> 00:57:30.205
<00:57:27.105>We <00:57:27.280>usually <00:57:27.455>tend <00:57:27.630>to <00:57:27.805>stick <00:57:27.980>to <00:57:28.155>these <00:57:28.330>old <00:57:28.505>oss

1422
00:57:30.355 --> 00:57:33.325
<00:57:30.355>because <00:57:30.530>we <00:57:30.705>have <00:57:30.880>these <00:57:31.055>old <00:57:31.230>applications <00:57:31.405>need <00:57:31.580>still <00:57:31.755>need

1423
00:57:33.325 --> 00:57:34.405
<00:57:33.325>to <00:57:33.487>be <00:57:33.649>able <00:57:33.811>to <00:57:33.973>run <00:57:34.135>on <00:57:34.297>them.

1424
00:57:35.395 --> 00:57:37.605
<00:57:35.395>Well <00:57:35.628>we <00:57:35.861>are <00:57:36.095>out <00:57:36.328>of <00:57:36.561>time, <00:57:36.795>uh,

1425
00:57:37.745 --> 00:57:40.765
<00:57:37.745>and <00:57:37.920>we <00:57:38.095>both <00:57:38.270>actually <00:57:38.444>on <00:57:38.620>off <00:57:38.795>on <00:57:38.970>the <00:57:39.145>run

1426
00:57:40.765 --> 00:57:42.405
<00:57:40.765>because <00:57:40.964>we <00:57:41.165>have <00:57:41.365>to <00:57:41.565>get <00:57:41.765>trains <00:57:41.964>and <00:57:42.165>stuff.

1427
00:57:42.955 --> 00:57:44.605
<00:57:42.955>That <00:57:43.154>was <00:57:43.355>great. <00:57:43.555>Thank <00:57:43.755>you <00:57:43.955>so <00:57:44.154>much <00:57:44.355>Julia.

1428
00:57:44.865 --> 00:57:47.365
<00:57:44.865>Uh, <00:57:45.040>how <00:57:45.214>can <00:57:45.390>people <00:57:45.564>help <00:57:45.740>you <00:57:45.915>with <00:57:46.089>the, <00:57:46.265>with,

1429
00:57:47.365 --> 00:57:49.925
<00:57:47.365>with <00:57:47.481>this <00:57:47.598>project <00:57:47.714>and <00:57:47.831>I <00:57:47.948>mean <00:57:48.064>is <00:57:48.181>it <00:57:48.298>a <00:57:48.415>side <00:57:48.531>project <00:57:48.648>for <00:57:48.765>you

1430
00:57:49.945 --> 00:57:52.245
<00:57:49.945>or <00:57:50.100>do <00:57:50.256>you <00:57:50.411>also <00:57:50.567>get <00:57:50.722>like <00:57:50.878>resources <00:57:51.033>from <00:57:51.189>the <00:57:51.345>company

1431
00:57:52.265 --> 00:57:53.485
<00:57:52.265>to <00:57:52.539>concentrate <00:57:52.814>on <00:57:53.088>that <00:57:53.363>now?

1432
00:57:54.065 --> 00:57:56.365
<00:57:54.065>No, <00:57:54.298>it's <00:57:54.531>side <00:57:54.765>Quest, <00:57:54.998>it's <00:57:55.231>a <00:57:55.465>site.

1433
00:57:56.465 --> 00:57:58.485
<00:57:56.465>So <00:57:56.640>we, <00:57:56.815>as <00:57:56.990>GBS, <00:57:57.165>we <00:57:57.340>always <00:57:57.515>have <00:57:57.690>site <00:57:57.865>quests

1434
00:57:58.485 --> 00:58:00.445
<00:57:58.485>and <00:57:58.660>this <00:57:58.835>is <00:57:59.010>a <00:57:59.185>site <00:57:59.360>quest <00:57:59.535>of <00:57:59.710>gu <00:57:59.885>me.

1435
00:58:00.905 --> 00:58:04.165
<00:58:00.905>Um, <00:58:01.032>so <00:58:01.159>when <00:58:01.286>you <00:58:01.414>would <00:58:01.541>like <00:58:01.668>to <00:58:01.795>help <00:58:01.923>us <00:58:02.050>with <00:58:02.177>this <00:58:02.305>project,

1436
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<00:58:04.175>maybe <00:58:04.315>you <00:58:04.455>also <00:58:04.595>want <00:58:04.735>to <00:58:04.875>talk <00:58:05.015>to <00:58:05.155>us, <00:58:05.295>you <00:58:05.435>can <00:58:05.575>go

1437
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<00:58:06.045>to <00:58:06.220>the <00:58:06.395>repository <00:58:06.570>and <00:58:06.745>maybe <00:58:06.920>open <00:58:07.095>like <00:58:07.270>an <00:58:07.445>issue

1438
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<00:58:08.905>and <00:58:09.131>provide <00:58:09.358>us <00:58:09.585>your <00:58:09.812>contact <00:58:10.038>data

1439
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<00:58:10.225>or <00:58:10.424>if <00:58:10.625>you're <00:58:10.825>already <00:58:11.025>in <00:58:11.225>touch <00:58:11.424>with <00:58:11.625>Microsoft,

1440
00:58:12.085 --> 00:58:14.605
<00:58:12.085>you <00:58:12.260>maybe <00:58:12.435>can <00:58:12.610>connect <00:58:12.785>with <00:58:12.960>your <00:58:13.135>Microsoft <00:58:13.310>account <00:58:13.485>team

1441
00:58:14.905 --> 00:58:16.445
<00:58:14.905>and <00:58:15.136>they <00:58:15.367>can <00:58:15.598>try <00:58:15.829>to <00:58:16.060>connect <00:58:16.291>us

1442
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<00:58:16.585>or <00:58:16.725>if <00:58:16.865>nothing <00:58:17.005>of <00:58:17.145>that <00:58:17.285>is <00:58:17.425>applicable <00:58:17.565>to <00:58:17.705>you, <00:58:17.845>reach <00:58:17.985>out

1443
00:58:20.045 --> 00:58:21.765
<00:58:20.045>to <00:58:20.200>me <00:58:20.356>on <00:58:20.511>LinkedIn <00:58:20.667>and <00:58:20.822>we <00:58:20.978>can <00:58:21.133>have <00:58:21.289>a <00:58:21.445>chat.

1444
00:58:23.215 --> 00:58:25.665
<00:58:23.215>Cool. <00:58:23.448>Dan, <00:58:23.681>any <00:58:23.915>last <00:58:24.148>words <00:58:24.381>from <00:58:24.615>you?

1445
00:58:26.845 --> 00:58:28.985
<00:58:26.845>Um, <00:58:26.984>I'd <00:58:27.125>just <00:58:27.265>like <00:58:27.404>to <00:58:27.544>see <00:58:27.685>maybe <00:58:27.825>if <00:58:27.964>there's <00:58:28.105>any <00:58:28.245>kind

1446
00:58:28.985 --> 00:58:31.265
<00:58:28.985>of <00:58:29.112>write <00:58:29.239>up <00:58:29.366>on <00:58:29.494>that <00:58:29.621>or <00:58:29.748>anything <00:58:29.875>like <00:58:30.003>that <00:58:30.130>that <00:58:30.257>comes <00:58:30.385>out.

1447
00:58:31.375 --> 00:58:33.225
<00:58:31.375>It'd <00:58:31.502>be, <00:58:31.629>it'd <00:58:31.756>be <00:58:31.884>good <00:58:32.011>for <00:58:32.138>us <00:58:32.265>to <00:58:32.393>kind <00:58:32.520>of <00:58:32.647>share <00:58:32.775>it

1448
00:58:33.225 --> 00:58:34.745
<00:58:33.225>and <00:58:33.395>make <00:58:33.567>sure <00:58:33.738>that <00:58:33.909>people <00:58:34.080>can, <00:58:34.250>can <00:58:34.422>see <00:58:34.593>that

1449
00:58:35.065 --> 00:58:36.825
<00:58:35.065>'cause <00:58:35.220>yeah, <00:58:35.376>anything <00:58:35.531>you <00:58:35.687>can <00:58:35.842>share <00:58:35.998>about <00:58:36.153>how <00:58:36.309>that <00:58:36.465>works.

1450
00:58:36.825 --> 00:58:39.105
<00:58:36.825>We <00:58:36.980>don't <00:58:37.136>watch <00:58:37.291>a <00:58:37.447>article. <00:58:37.602>We <00:58:37.758>can <00:58:37.913>totally <00:58:38.069>link <00:58:38.225>it.

1451
00:58:39.565 --> 00:58:40.385
<00:58:39.565>That'd <00:58:39.811>be <00:58:40.057>great. <00:58:40.303>Yeah,

1452
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<00:58:40.385>so <00:58:40.553>we'll <00:58:40.721>share <00:58:40.889>that <00:58:41.057>along <00:58:41.225>with <00:58:41.393>this.

1453
00:58:41.565 --> 00:58:44.025
<00:58:41.565>But <00:58:41.705>um, <00:58:41.845>now <00:58:41.985>other <00:58:42.125>than <00:58:42.265>that, <00:58:42.405>safe <00:58:42.545>travels <00:58:42.685>to <00:58:42.825>you <00:58:42.965>both.

1454
00:58:44.095 --> 00:58:45.305
<00:58:44.095>Hope <00:58:44.276>it <00:58:44.457>all <00:58:44.639>goes <00:58:44.821>well <00:58:45.002>this <00:58:45.183>week.

1455
00:58:45.305 --> 00:58:46.545
<00:58:45.305>You <00:58:45.528>uh, <00:58:45.751>you've <00:58:45.974>got <00:58:46.197>conferences, <00:58:46.421>right?

1456
00:58:46.545 --> 00:58:48.785
<00:58:46.545>I <00:58:46.661>know <00:58:46.778>Chris, <00:58:46.895>you <00:58:47.011>have, <00:58:47.128>and <00:58:47.245>Julia, <00:58:47.361>have <00:58:47.478>you <00:58:47.595>got <00:58:47.711>one <00:58:47.828>as <00:58:47.945>well?

1457
00:58:49.415 --> 00:58:51.825
<00:58:49.415>Yeah, <00:58:49.590>I, <00:58:49.765>I've <00:58:49.940>going <00:58:50.115>onto <00:58:50.290>like <00:58:50.465>a <00:58:50.640>tech <00:58:50.815>camp,

1458
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<00:58:51.905>a <00:58:52.138>cows <00:58:52.371>communication <00:58:52.605>camp <00:58:52.838>in <00:58:53.071>the <00:58:53.305>Netherlands.

1459
00:58:54.605 --> 00:58:57.985
<00:58:54.605>Um, <00:58:54.780>it's <00:58:54.955>like <00:58:55.130>vacation <00:58:55.305>but <00:58:55.480>it's <00:58:55.655>also <00:58:55.830>work <00:58:56.005>kinder,

1460
00:58:58.165 --> 00:59:01.065
<00:58:58.165>but <00:58:58.365>at <00:58:58.565>least <00:58:58.765>there's <00:58:58.965>24 <00:58:59.165>degrees <00:58:59.365>at <00:58:59.565>sun.

1461
00:59:01.065 --> 00:59:02.065
<00:59:01.065>Right? <00:59:01.290>This <00:59:01.515>is <00:59:01.740>the <00:59:01.965>important

1462
00:59:02.135 --> 00:59:04.705
<00:59:02.135>Part <00:59:02.310>that <00:59:02.485>sounds <00:59:02.660>boiling <00:59:02.835>to <00:59:03.010>me <00:59:03.185>in <00:59:03.360>the <00:59:03.535>uk

1463
00:59:06.135 --> 00:59:08.305
<00:59:06.135>Well <00:59:06.368>it's <00:59:06.601>23 <00:59:06.835>degrees, <00:59:07.068>but <00:59:07.301>after <00:59:07.535>tax

1464
00:59:08.325 --> 00:59:10.225
<00:59:08.325>and <00:59:08.605>paperwork <00:59:08.884>it's <00:59:09.165>16 <00:59:09.444>in <00:59:09.725>Germany.

1465
00:59:13.155 --> 00:59:15.025
<00:59:13.155>Thank <00:59:13.355>so <00:59:13.555>much <00:59:13.755>for <00:59:13.955>having <00:59:14.155>me. <00:59:14.355>It <00:59:14.555>was

1466
00:59:16.085 --> 00:59:18.185
<00:59:16.085>Thanks <00:59:16.260>so <00:59:16.435>much <00:59:16.610>and <00:59:16.785>hope <00:59:16.960>to <00:59:17.135>see <00:59:17.310>you <00:59:17.485>soon.

1467
00:59:19.015 --> 00:59:19.505
Bye-Bye.