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332
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342
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347
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350
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<00:17:01.155>far <00:17:01.310>right <00:17:01.466>movement <00:17:01.621>in <00:17:01.777>Germany, <00:17:01.932>what <00:17:02.088>we, <00:17:02.243>uh, <00:17:02.399>experience, <00:17:02.555>uh,

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<00:17:08.494>a <00:17:08.635>few, <00:17:08.774>few <00:17:08.915>months <00:17:09.054>past, <00:17:09.194>we <00:17:09.334>saw <00:17:09.474>a <00:17:09.614>lot <00:17:09.754>of <00:17:09.895>companies

353
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<00:17:12.675>who <00:17:13.188>got <00:17:13.701>louder

354
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<00:17:14.275>or <00:17:14.450>got, <00:17:14.625>uh, <00:17:14.800>would <00:17:14.975>try <00:17:15.150>to, <00:17:15.325>um, <00:17:15.500>to <00:17:15.675>clarify

355
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<00:17:18.405>what <00:17:18.708>they <00:17:19.011>stand <00:17:19.313>for.

356
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<00:17:19.595>But <00:17:19.875>we <00:17:20.155>saw <00:17:20.435>also <00:17:20.714>companies, <00:17:20.995>uh,

357
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<00:17:22.115>who <00:17:22.395>went <00:17:22.675>silent <00:17:22.954>from <00:17:23.234>my <00:17:23.515>perspective.

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359
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<00:17:28.075>to <00:17:28.250>encourage <00:17:28.425>companies <00:17:28.600>to, <00:17:28.775>to <00:17:28.950>talk <00:17:29.125>about <00:17:29.300>these <00:17:29.475>topics.

360
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<00:17:32.445>Also <00:17:32.620>within <00:17:32.794>the <00:17:32.970>company, <00:17:33.145>no <00:17:33.320>company <00:17:33.495>exists <00:17:33.669>in <00:17:33.845>a,

361
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<00:17:35.195>in <00:17:35.544>a <00:17:35.895>political <00:17:36.245>nurturing <00:17:36.595>vacuum.

362
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363
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364
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<00:17:46.275>but <00:17:46.625>also <00:17:46.975>to <00:17:47.325>discuss <00:17:47.675>internally.

365
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366
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367
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368
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369
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370
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371
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<00:18:03.145>at <00:18:03.345>least <00:18:03.545>25%, <00:18:03.745>uh, <00:18:03.945>of <00:18:04.145>our <00:18:04.345>society, <00:18:04.545>uh,

372
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<00:18:06.315>have <00:18:06.781>some <00:18:07.248>migration <00:18:07.715>history.

373
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375
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376
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378
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379
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<00:18:32.425>but <00:18:32.625>also <00:18:32.825>in <00:18:33.024>some <00:18:33.225>companies <00:18:33.425>in, <00:18:33.625>in <00:18:33.825>Germany,

380
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381
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382
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<00:18:41.505>really <00:18:41.757>brilliant <00:18:42.009>chance <00:18:42.261>to <00:18:42.513>do <00:18:42.764>that.

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386
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387
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388
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389
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<00:18:58.415>What, <00:18:58.648>what, <00:18:58.881>what <00:18:59.115>would, <00:18:59.348>would <00:18:59.581>it <00:18:59.815>be?

390
00:19:02.125 --> 00:19:04.145
<00:19:02.125>Not <00:19:02.358>only <00:19:02.591>to, <00:19:02.825>but <00:19:03.058>to <00:19:03.291>everyone <00:19:03.525>else?

391
00:19:04.445 --> 00:19:06.345
<00:19:04.445>Are <00:19:04.725>you <00:19:05.004>aware <00:19:05.284>above <00:19:05.564>your <00:19:05.845>privilege?

392
00:19:07.005 --> 00:19:08.745
<00:19:07.005>So <00:19:07.238>this <00:19:07.471>is <00:19:07.705>the <00:19:07.938>simple <00:19:08.171>one <00:19:08.405>thing.

393
00:19:08.865 --> 00:19:10.145
<00:19:08.865>I <00:19:09.029>know <00:19:09.194>there <00:19:09.358>are <00:19:09.523>a <00:19:09.687>lot <00:19:09.852>of <00:19:10.017>trainings,

394
00:19:10.145 --> 00:19:12.225
<00:19:10.145>unconscious <00:19:10.495>bias <00:19:10.845>training, <00:19:11.195>et <00:19:11.545>cetera.

395
00:19:12.645 --> 00:19:15.665
<00:19:12.645>But, <00:19:12.820>uh, <00:19:12.995>most <00:19:13.170>of, <00:19:13.345>you <00:19:13.520>know, <00:19:13.695>unconscious <00:19:13.870>bias <00:19:14.045>training.

396
00:19:15.765 --> 00:19:17.385
<00:19:15.765>You, <00:19:15.965>you <00:19:16.165>will <00:19:16.365>forget <00:19:16.565>everything <00:19:16.765>that <00:19:16.965>you <00:19:17.165>learned

397
00:19:17.385 --> 00:19:18.425
<00:19:17.385>after <00:19:17.853>eight <00:19:18.321>weeks.

398
00:19:18.685 --> 00:19:20.665
<00:19:18.685>So <00:19:18.840>you <00:19:18.996>have <00:19:19.151>to <00:19:19.307>repeat <00:19:19.462>it, <00:19:19.618>uh, <00:19:19.773>every <00:19:19.929>eight <00:19:20.085>weeks,

399
00:19:21.485 --> 00:19:24.025
<00:19:21.485>or <00:19:21.685>there's, <00:19:21.885>the <00:19:22.084>better <00:19:22.284>one <00:19:22.485>is <00:19:22.685>to <00:19:22.885>try

400
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<00:19:24.025>to <00:19:24.409>understand <00:19:24.793>your <00:19:25.177>privilege.

401
00:19:25.605 --> 00:19:27.905
<00:19:25.605>So <00:19:25.838>it's, <00:19:26.071>uh, <00:19:26.305>it <00:19:26.538>applies <00:19:26.771>to <00:19:27.005>everyone.

402
00:19:27.975 --> 00:19:31.225
<00:19:27.975>Also, <00:19:28.130>to <00:19:28.286>someone <00:19:28.441>like <00:19:28.597>me, <00:19:28.752>as <00:19:28.908>a <00:19:29.063>former <00:19:29.219>refugee, <00:19:29.375>also,

403
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<00:19:31.385>I <00:19:31.745>have <00:19:32.105>some <00:19:32.465>privilege.

404
00:19:32.725 --> 00:19:36.625
<00:19:32.725>If <00:19:32.865>I'm <00:19:33.004>aware <00:19:33.145>about <00:19:33.284>that, <00:19:33.425>then <00:19:33.564>I <00:19:33.705>can <00:19:33.844>better <00:19:33.985>imagine <00:19:34.125>which,

405
00:19:36.925 --> 00:19:41.705
<00:19:36.925>um, <00:19:37.100>which, <00:19:37.274>uh, <00:19:37.450>topics <00:19:37.625>are <00:19:37.800>out <00:19:37.975>there, <00:19:38.149>uh, <00:19:38.325>what

406
00:19:41.775 --> 00:19:43.345
<00:19:41.775>with <00:19:42.125>them, <00:19:42.475>the, <00:19:42.825>my <00:19:43.175>employees

407
00:19:43.345 --> 00:19:44.865
<00:19:43.345>or <00:19:43.573>my <00:19:43.801>team <00:19:44.029>members, <00:19:44.257>members <00:19:44.485>are <00:19:44.713>struggling.

408
00:19:45.725 --> 00:19:48.425
<00:19:45.725>And <00:19:45.880>there <00:19:46.036>are <00:19:46.191>some <00:19:46.347>trainings, <00:19:46.502>a <00:19:46.658>walk <00:19:46.813>of <00:19:46.969>privilege <00:19:47.125>of,

409
00:19:48.645 --> 00:19:51.305
<00:19:48.645>of <00:19:48.845>course, <00:19:49.045>on <00:19:49.245>our <00:19:49.445>own <00:19:49.645>page <00:19:49.845>at <00:19:50.045>fel.

410
00:19:51.365 --> 00:19:53.545
<00:19:51.365>But <00:19:51.598>also <00:19:51.831>there <00:19:52.065>is <00:19:52.298>lot <00:19:52.531>of <00:19:52.765>variation.

411
00:19:54.485 --> 00:19:57.545
<00:19:54.485>You <00:19:54.640>can, <00:19:54.796>uh, <00:19:54.951>do <00:19:55.107>it <00:19:55.262>alone, <00:19:55.418>but <00:19:55.573>also <00:19:55.729>with <00:19:55.885>team.

412
00:19:57.925 --> 00:20:01.185
<00:19:57.925>And <00:19:58.080>after <00:19:58.236>that, <00:19:58.391>you <00:19:58.547>will <00:19:58.702>see <00:19:58.858>the <00:19:59.013>society, <00:19:59.169>the <00:19:59.325>world,

413
00:20:01.365 --> 00:20:02.385
<00:20:01.365>uh, <00:20:01.671>with <00:20:01.977>other <00:20:02.283>eyes.

414
00:20:03.405 --> 00:20:06.745
<00:20:03.405>Really, <00:20:03.605>really <00:20:03.805>cool. <00:20:04.004>Now <00:20:04.205>the <00:20:04.405>microphone <00:20:04.605>is <00:20:04.805>yours.

415
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<00:20:06.845>Who <00:20:07.045>wants <00:20:07.245>to <00:20:07.445>ask <00:20:07.645>a <00:20:07.845>question <00:20:08.045>to <00:20:08.245>cover?

416
00:20:09.925 --> 00:20:14.085
<00:20:09.925>So <00:20:10.125>someone <00:20:10.325>in <00:20:10.524>the <00:20:10.725>audience <00:20:10.925>Brave <00:20:11.125>enough? <00:20:11.325>Okay.

417
00:20:14.205 --> 00:20:16.005
<00:20:14.205>I <00:20:14.438>will <00:20:14.671>move <00:20:14.905>on <00:20:15.138>with <00:20:15.371>the <00:20:15.605>microphone.

418
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<00:20:19.785>Yeah, <00:20:20.135>it's <00:20:20.485>always <00:20:20.835>switched <00:20:21.185>on.

419
00:20:24.475 --> 00:20:27.235
<00:20:24.475>I <00:20:24.708>think <00:20:24.941>it's <00:20:25.175>switched <00:20:25.408>on. <00:20:25.641>Okay. <00:20:25.875>Yeah.

420
00:20:28.815 --> 00:20:30.235
<00:20:28.815>No, <00:20:29.028>I <00:20:29.241>think <00:20:29.454>it's <00:20:29.667>switched <00:20:29.879>off <00:20:30.092>now.

421
00:20:30.235 --> 00:20:32.235
<00:20:30.235>It <00:20:30.390>was <00:20:30.546>already, <00:20:30.701>I <00:20:30.857>think <00:20:31.012>it <00:20:31.168>was <00:20:31.323>already <00:20:31.479>switched <00:20:31.635>on.

422
00:20:38.105 --> 00:20:42.995
<00:20:38.105>Okay. <00:20:38.571>I <00:20:39.038>give <00:20:39.505>you

423
00:20:42.995 --> 00:20:44.795
<00:20:42.995>this <00:20:43.344>one <00:20:43.695>quick, <00:20:44.044>quick <00:20:44.395>exchange.

424
00:20:45.375 --> 00:20:46.435
<00:20:45.375>Ah, <00:20:45.851>yeah. <00:20:46.329>Perfect.

425
00:20:46.985 --> 00:20:49.165
<00:20:46.985>Um, <00:20:47.125>I <00:20:47.264>would <00:20:47.405>like <00:20:47.544>to <00:20:47.685>pick <00:20:47.824>up <00:20:47.965>on <00:20:48.104>the <00:20:48.245>last <00:20:48.385>thing

426
00:20:49.165 --> 00:20:51.245
<00:20:49.165>that <00:20:49.398>you <00:20:49.631>said, <00:20:49.865>that, <00:20:50.098>uh, <00:20:50.331>it's <00:20:50.565>helpful

427
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<00:20:51.465>to <00:20:51.745>reflect <00:20:52.024>on <00:20:52.304>your <00:20:52.584>own <00:20:52.865>privileges,

428
00:20:54.105 --> 00:20:57.965
<00:20:54.105>but <00:20:54.280>my <00:20:54.455>perspective <00:20:54.630>on <00:20:54.805>people <00:20:54.980>who <00:20:55.155>are <00:20:55.330>feeling, <00:20:55.505>like,

429
00:20:58.345 --> 00:21:00.405
<00:20:58.345>who <00:20:58.545>are <00:20:58.745>voting <00:20:58.945>for <00:20:59.145>a <00:20:59.345>FD <00:20:59.545>for <00:20:59.745>instance,

430
00:21:00.845 --> 00:21:03.405
<00:21:00.845>I <00:21:01.000>think <00:21:01.156>they're <00:21:01.311>in <00:21:01.467>a <00:21:01.622>place <00:21:01.778>where <00:21:01.933>they <00:21:02.089>feel <00:21:02.245>treated

431
00:21:03.475 --> 00:21:04.805
<00:21:03.475>very <00:21:04.672>unfairly.

432
00:21:05.745 --> 00:21:08.045
<00:21:05.745>And <00:21:05.978>I'm <00:21:06.211>not <00:21:06.445>sure <00:21:06.678>if <00:21:06.911>that <00:21:07.145>question

433
00:21:08.145 --> 00:21:10.325
<00:21:08.145>of <00:21:08.495>reflection <00:21:08.845>works <00:21:09.195>for <00:21:09.545>them.

434
00:21:10.665 --> 00:21:12.845
<00:21:10.665>So <00:21:10.865>for <00:21:11.065>me, <00:21:11.264>it <00:21:11.465>would <00:21:11.665>be <00:21:11.865>very <00:21:12.065>interesting

435
00:21:12.845 --> 00:21:14.445
<00:21:12.845>to <00:21:13.125>hear <00:21:13.405>your <00:21:13.685>perspective <00:21:13.965>on <00:21:14.245>that.

436
00:21:15.415 --> 00:21:17.045
<00:21:15.415>Thank <00:21:15.648>you <00:21:15.881>very <00:21:16.115>much. <00:21:16.348>Yeah, <00:21:16.581>you're <00:21:16.815>right.

437
00:21:17.105 --> 00:21:19.005
<00:21:17.105>We <00:21:17.571>are <00:21:18.038>discussing, <00:21:18.505>um,

438
00:21:19.475 --> 00:21:21.485
<00:21:19.475>usually <00:21:19.754>these <00:21:20.034>topics <00:21:20.314>within <00:21:20.594>our <00:21:20.875>bubble

439
00:21:21.705 --> 00:21:23.445
<00:21:21.705>and <00:21:22.054>their, <00:21:22.405>within <00:21:22.754>their <00:21:23.105>bubble.

440
00:21:24.105 --> 00:21:27.725
<00:21:24.105>So <00:21:24.260>it <00:21:24.416>depends <00:21:24.571>on <00:21:24.727>their <00:21:24.882>readiness, <00:21:25.038>if <00:21:25.193>they <00:21:25.349>are <00:21:25.505>ready

441
00:21:27.825 --> 00:21:32.325
<00:21:27.825>to <00:21:28.058>also <00:21:28.291>change <00:21:28.525>their, <00:21:28.758>their, <00:21:28.991>their <00:21:29.225>behavior

442
00:21:32.585 --> 00:21:35.125
<00:21:32.585>or <00:21:32.785>how <00:21:32.985>they <00:21:33.185>think <00:21:33.385>about <00:21:33.585>society, <00:21:33.785>et <00:21:33.985>cetera.

443
00:21:35.265 --> 00:21:38.525
<00:21:35.265>And <00:21:35.465>what <00:21:35.665>I <00:21:35.865>am, <00:21:36.065>uh, <00:21:36.265>um, <00:21:36.465>experiencing <00:21:36.665>is

444
00:21:38.525 --> 00:21:41.645
<00:21:38.525>that <00:21:38.652>there <00:21:38.779>are <00:21:38.906>some <00:21:39.034>part <00:21:39.161>of <00:21:39.288>people <00:21:39.415>who <00:21:39.543>are <00:21:39.670>voting <00:21:39.797>for <00:21:39.925>fd

445
00:21:41.665 --> 00:21:43.205
<00:21:41.665>who <00:21:42.127>are <00:21:42.589>maybe <00:21:43.051>open.

446
00:21:44.225 --> 00:21:45.365
<00:21:44.225>And <00:21:44.481>there <00:21:44.738>are <00:21:44.994>some <00:21:45.251>part,

447
00:21:45.515 --> 00:21:48.565
<00:21:45.515>there's <00:21:45.715>every <00:21:45.915>discussion <00:21:46.115>is <00:21:46.315>a <00:21:46.515>waste <00:21:46.715>of <00:21:46.915>time.

448
00:21:48.745 --> 00:21:50.605
<00:21:48.745>You <00:21:49.094>cannot <00:21:49.445>change <00:21:49.794>them, <00:21:50.145>unfortunately.

449
00:21:50.745 --> 00:21:53.565
<00:21:50.745>And <00:21:50.900>we <00:21:51.056>have <00:21:51.211>also <00:21:51.367>such <00:21:51.522>people <00:21:51.678>within <00:21:51.833>companies, <00:21:51.989>of <00:21:52.145>course.

450
00:21:54.265 --> 00:21:56.125
<00:21:54.265>And, <00:21:54.731>um, <00:21:55.198>I <00:21:55.665>know

451
00:21:56.125 --> 00:21:58.445
<00:21:56.125>after <00:21:56.325>Corona, <00:21:56.525>you <00:21:56.725>know, <00:21:56.925>within <00:21:57.125>the <00:21:57.325>Corona <00:21:57.525>Corona,

452
00:21:58.445 --> 00:22:00.045
<00:21:58.445>there <00:21:58.678>was <00:21:58.911>also <00:21:59.145>some <00:21:59.378>time <00:21:59.611>a <00:21:59.845>lot

453
00:22:00.045 --> 00:22:03.645
<00:22:00.045>of <00:22:00.220>discussions <00:22:00.395>within <00:22:00.570>the <00:22:00.745>companies <00:22:00.920>about, <00:22:01.095>uh, <00:22:01.270>measures, <00:22:01.445>uh,

454
00:22:04.025 --> 00:22:05.925
<00:22:04.025>um, <00:22:04.305>of, <00:22:04.585>of <00:22:04.865>government, <00:22:05.145>et <00:22:05.425>cetera.

455
00:22:06.685 --> 00:22:10.205
<00:22:06.685>I <00:22:06.860>invited <00:22:07.034>everyone <00:22:07.210>to <00:22:07.385>discuss <00:22:07.560>about, <00:22:07.735>uh, <00:22:07.909>these <00:22:08.085>topics.

456
00:22:10.385 --> 00:22:11.885
<00:22:10.385>We <00:22:10.722>had <00:22:11.060>also, <00:22:11.397>uh, <00:22:11.735>doctors

457
00:22:12.185 --> 00:22:14.285
<00:22:12.185>and <00:22:12.465>others, <00:22:12.745>uh, <00:22:13.024>people <00:22:13.304>from <00:22:13.585>science.

458
00:22:14.865 --> 00:22:18.685
<00:22:14.865>And <00:22:15.065>we <00:22:15.265>started <00:22:15.465>the <00:22:15.665>discussion <00:22:15.865>about <00:22:16.065>also <00:22:16.265>people

459
00:22:18.865 --> 00:22:23.325
<00:22:18.865>who <00:22:18.981>openly <00:22:19.098>said <00:22:19.215>that <00:22:19.331>they <00:22:19.448>are, <00:22:19.565>uh, <00:22:19.681>they <00:22:19.798>will <00:22:19.915>vote <00:22:20.031>for <00:22:20.148>a <00:22:20.265>FD.

460
00:22:24.155 --> 00:22:26.895
<00:22:24.155>And, <00:22:24.330>um, <00:22:24.504>coming <00:22:24.680>back <00:22:24.855>to <00:22:25.030>the, <00:22:25.205>to, <00:22:25.379>to <00:22:25.555>companies,

461
00:22:26.925 --> 00:22:28.175
<00:22:26.925>this <00:22:27.206>is <00:22:27.487>also <00:22:27.768>an <00:22:28.050>opportunity

462
00:22:28.175 --> 00:22:31.215
<00:22:28.175>because <00:22:28.408>within <00:22:28.641>the <00:22:28.875>company, <00:22:29.108>you <00:22:29.341>are <00:22:29.575>discussing

463
00:22:31.215 --> 00:22:35.335
<00:22:31.215>with <00:22:31.342>a <00:22:31.469>colleague <00:22:31.596>maybe <00:22:31.724>who <00:22:31.851>says <00:22:31.978>openly <00:22:32.105>or <00:22:32.233>not <00:22:32.360>openly <00:22:32.487>that <00:22:32.615>he

464
00:22:35.335 --> 00:22:36.775
<00:22:35.335>or <00:22:35.594>she's <00:22:35.853>open <00:22:36.112>for <00:22:36.371>a <00:22:36.631>FD,

465
00:22:37.315 --> 00:22:39.855
<00:22:37.315>but <00:22:37.515>this <00:22:37.715>discussion <00:22:37.915>is <00:22:38.115>more <00:22:38.315>respectful, <00:22:38.515>you <00:22:38.715>know,

466
00:22:39.855 --> 00:22:41.055
<00:22:39.855>because <00:22:40.215>it's <00:22:40.575>your <00:22:40.935>colleague

467
00:22:41.475 --> 00:22:43.215
<00:22:41.475>and <00:22:41.708>not <00:22:41.941>someone <00:22:42.175>else <00:22:42.408>in <00:22:42.641>social <00:22:42.875>media.

468
00:22:43.515 --> 00:22:46.335
<00:22:43.515>And <00:22:43.670>there's <00:22:43.826>a <00:22:43.981>chance, <00:22:44.137>at <00:22:44.292>least <00:22:44.448>for, <00:22:44.603>for <00:22:44.759>the <00:22:44.915>colleagues

469
00:22:46.515 --> 00:22:49.615
<00:22:46.515>or <00:22:46.715>for <00:22:46.915>employer <00:22:47.115>side <00:22:47.315>to <00:22:47.515>convince <00:22:47.715>them <00:22:47.915>maybe

470
00:22:49.755 --> 00:22:52.695
<00:22:49.755>or <00:22:49.910>to, <00:22:50.066>to, <00:22:50.221>uh, <00:22:50.377>to <00:22:50.532>give <00:22:50.688>them <00:22:50.843>an, <00:22:50.999>a <00:22:51.155>sense

471
00:22:52.695 --> 00:22:56.815
<00:22:52.695>of <00:22:52.822>security <00:22:52.949>when <00:22:53.076>they, <00:22:53.204>they, <00:22:53.331>they <00:22:53.458>are, <00:22:53.585>um, <00:22:53.713>uh, <00:22:53.840>the <00:22:53.967>fear <00:22:54.095>for,

472
00:22:57.035 --> 00:22:58.375
<00:22:57.035>for <00:22:57.336>their <00:22:57.638>privilege, <00:22:57.939>et <00:22:58.241>cetera.

473
00:22:59.075 --> 00:23:02.455
<00:22:59.075>Um, <00:22:59.230>but <00:22:59.386>I <00:22:59.541>know <00:22:59.697>it, <00:22:59.852>it, <00:23:00.008>uh, <00:23:00.163>won't <00:23:00.319>work <00:23:00.475>everywhere.

474
00:23:02.595 --> 00:23:06.095
<00:23:02.595>So <00:23:02.750>it, <00:23:02.906>on <00:23:03.061>the <00:23:03.217>other <00:23:03.372>side, <00:23:03.528>we <00:23:03.683>need <00:23:03.839>some <00:23:03.995>readiness

475
00:23:06.275 --> 00:23:11.055
<00:23:06.275>to <00:23:06.430>be <00:23:06.586>open <00:23:06.741>also <00:23:06.897>to, <00:23:07.052>to <00:23:07.208>rethink <00:23:07.363>their, <00:23:07.519>uh, <00:23:07.675>their,

476
00:23:11.315 --> 00:23:15.115
<00:23:11.315>um, <00:23:12.015>well <00:23:12.715>built,

477
00:23:15.465 --> 00:23:16.675
<00:23:15.465>well <00:23:15.646>built, <00:23:15.828>you <00:23:16.009>know <00:23:16.191>what <00:23:16.372>I <00:23:16.553>mean?

478
00:23:18.545 --> 00:23:22.675
<00:23:18.545>Further <00:23:18.778>questions. <00:23:19.011>I'm <00:23:19.245>coming <00:23:19.478>with <00:23:19.711>a <00:23:19.945>microphone.

479
00:23:25.595 --> 00:23:26.595
<00:23:25.595>You're <00:23:26.495>welcome.

480
00:23:27.355 --> 00:23:29.785
<00:23:27.355>Hi, <00:23:27.588>can <00:23:27.821>you <00:23:28.055>hear <00:23:28.288>me? <00:23:28.521>Great. <00:23:28.755>Yes.

481
00:23:29.925 --> 00:23:33.305
<00:23:29.925>So <00:23:30.080>I <00:23:30.236>wanted <00:23:30.391>to <00:23:30.547>get <00:23:30.702>your <00:23:30.858>view <00:23:31.013>on <00:23:31.169>DI <00:23:31.325>metrics,

482
00:23:33.415 --> 00:23:36.265
<00:23:33.415>because <00:23:33.648>on <00:23:33.881>the <00:23:34.115>one <00:23:34.348>hand <00:23:34.581>you'll <00:23:34.815>hear

483
00:23:36.335 --> 00:23:38.545
<00:23:36.335>that <00:23:36.801>it <00:23:37.268>encourages <00:23:37.735>tokenism.

484
00:23:38.765 --> 00:23:42.745
<00:23:38.765>So <00:23:38.905>for <00:23:39.045>example, <00:23:39.185>you <00:23:39.325>know, <00:23:39.465>just <00:23:39.605>the, <00:23:39.745>I <00:23:39.885>quotas <00:23:40.025>around <00:23:40.165>hiring,

485
00:23:43.405 --> 00:23:46.565
<00:23:43.405>but <00:23:43.580>on <00:23:43.754>the <00:23:43.930>other <00:23:44.105>hand, <00:23:44.280>uh, <00:23:44.455>you <00:23:44.629>can't <00:23:44.805>manage

486
00:23:46.565 --> 00:23:47.845
<00:23:46.565>what <00:23:46.853>you <00:23:47.141>can <00:23:47.429>measure <00:23:47.717>and

487
00:23:48.065 --> 00:23:52.565
<00:23:48.065>how <00:23:48.298>can <00:23:48.531>you <00:23:48.765>encourage <00:23:48.998>accountability <00:23:49.231>without <00:23:49.465>measuring?

488
00:23:52.705 --> 00:23:54.365
<00:23:52.705>So <00:23:53.054>curious <00:23:53.405>about <00:23:53.754>your <00:23:54.105>opinion.

489
00:23:55.095 --> 00:23:58.125
<00:23:55.095>Thank <00:23:55.270>you <00:23:55.445>very <00:23:55.620>much. <00:23:55.795>Also, <00:23:55.970>from <00:23:56.145>my <00:23:56.320>experience, <00:23:56.495>so

490
00:23:58.825 --> 00:24:01.725
<00:23:58.825>I'm <00:23:58.980>not <00:23:59.136>sure <00:23:59.291>I'm <00:23:59.447>a, <00:23:59.602>I'm <00:23:59.758>a <00:23:59.913>fan <00:24:00.069>of <00:24:00.225>quota,

491
00:24:01.865 --> 00:24:05.365
<00:24:01.865>but <00:24:02.040>I'm <00:24:02.215>a <00:24:02.390>fa <00:24:02.565>fan <00:24:02.740>of <00:24:02.915>temp <00:24:03.090>company <00:24:03.265>targets.

492
00:24:05.585 --> 00:24:09.445
<00:24:05.585>If <00:24:05.740>you <00:24:05.896>as <00:24:06.051>companies <00:24:06.207>say, <00:24:06.362>uh, <00:24:06.518>openly, <00:24:06.673>publicly, <00:24:06.829>we <00:24:06.985>want

493
00:24:09.445 --> 00:24:13.405
<00:24:09.445>to <00:24:09.620>have, <00:24:09.794>for <00:24:09.970>example, <00:24:10.145>uh, <00:24:10.320>35% <00:24:10.495>woman <00:24:10.669>in <00:24:10.845>workforce

494
00:24:13.665 --> 00:24:18.525
<00:24:13.665>or <00:24:13.840>a <00:24:14.014>management <00:24:14.190>by <00:24:14.365>25 <00:24:14.540>or <00:24:14.715>27, <00:24:14.889>and, <00:24:15.065>uh,

495
00:24:19.065 --> 00:24:22.925
<00:24:19.065>and <00:24:19.192>it's <00:24:19.319>not <00:24:19.446>a <00:24:19.574>lip <00:24:19.701>service, <00:24:19.828>then <00:24:19.955>you <00:24:20.083>will <00:24:20.210>do <00:24:20.337>everything, <00:24:20.465>uh,

496
00:24:23.105 --> 00:24:24.605
<00:24:23.105>what's <00:24:23.555>needed <00:24:24.005>to <00:24:24.455>achieve.

497
00:24:24.715 --> 00:24:26.005
<00:24:24.715>Also, <00:24:25.101>this, <00:24:25.489>this <00:24:25.876>goals,

498
00:24:26.265 --> 00:24:30.405
<00:24:26.265>and <00:24:26.440>I <00:24:26.615>did <00:24:26.790>this, <00:24:26.965>uh, <00:24:27.140>this <00:24:27.315>game <00:24:27.490>three <00:24:27.665>times

499
00:24:30.625 --> 00:24:31.725
<00:24:30.625>and <00:24:30.955>worked <00:24:31.284>every <00:24:31.615>time.

500
00:24:32.585 --> 00:24:37.455
<00:24:32.585>And, <00:24:32.760>um, <00:24:32.935>the <00:24:33.110>best <00:24:33.285>measure <00:24:33.460>was <00:24:33.635>not <00:24:33.810>to <00:24:33.985>wait

501
00:24:37.785 --> 00:24:40.375
<00:24:37.785>until <00:24:37.940>everything <00:24:38.096>is <00:24:38.251>done <00:24:38.407>and <00:24:38.562>to <00:24:38.718>look <00:24:38.873>at <00:24:39.029>the <00:24:39.185>report

502
00:24:40.675 --> 00:24:44.415
<00:24:40.675>and <00:24:40.815>then <00:24:40.955>see, <00:24:41.095>okay, <00:24:41.235>we, <00:24:41.375>we <00:24:41.514>need, <00:24:41.655>again, <00:24:41.794>for <00:24:41.935>example, <00:24:42.075>more,

503
00:24:44.565 --> 00:24:46.535
<00:24:44.565>more, <00:24:45.031>uh, <00:24:45.498>female <00:24:45.965>candidates.

504
00:24:47.315 --> 00:24:50.855
<00:24:47.315>But <00:24:47.470>to <00:24:47.626>include, <00:24:47.781>uh, <00:24:47.937>to <00:24:48.092>be <00:24:48.248>part <00:24:48.403>of <00:24:48.559>recruiting <00:24:48.715>process.

505
00:24:51.035 --> 00:24:54.415
<00:24:51.035>As, <00:24:51.162>for <00:24:51.289>example, <00:24:51.416>what <00:24:51.544>I <00:24:51.671>did <00:24:51.798>every <00:24:51.925>Friday, <00:24:52.053>I <00:24:52.180>had <00:24:52.307>a <00:24:52.435>call

506
00:24:54.415 --> 00:24:59.295
<00:24:54.415>with <00:24:54.648>nearly <00:24:54.881>120 <00:24:55.115>recruiters <00:24:55.348>to <00:24:55.581>see <00:24:55.815>where,

507
00:24:59.825 --> 00:25:03.015
<00:24:59.825>where <00:24:59.980>do <00:25:00.136>we <00:25:00.291>have <00:25:00.447>a <00:25:00.602>manager <00:25:00.758>position <00:25:00.913>for, <00:25:01.069>uh, <00:25:01.225>open,

508
00:25:03.895 --> 00:25:05.915
<00:25:03.895>how <00:25:04.095>many <00:25:04.295>women <00:25:04.495>we <00:25:04.695>have <00:25:04.895>already <00:25:05.095>in <00:25:05.295>panel

509
00:25:06.215 --> 00:25:09.155
<00:25:06.215>or <00:25:06.448>maybe, <00:25:06.681>uh, <00:25:06.915>were, <00:25:07.148>uh, <00:25:07.381>with <00:25:07.615>applications

510
00:25:09.855 --> 00:25:13.995
<00:25:09.855>and <00:25:10.010>to <00:25:10.166>try <00:25:10.321>to <00:25:10.477>change <00:25:10.632>the <00:25:10.788>status <00:25:10.943>quo <00:25:11.099>during <00:25:11.255>the,

511
00:25:14.335 --> 00:25:16.435
<00:25:14.335>the <00:25:14.685>recruiting <00:25:15.035>process, <00:25:15.385>not <00:25:15.735>afterwards.

512
00:25:17.055 --> 00:25:21.795
<00:25:17.055>So <00:25:17.182>it's <00:25:17.309>for, <00:25:17.436>for, <00:25:17.564>um, <00:25:17.691>HR <00:25:17.818>hat <00:25:17.945>maybe <00:25:18.073>a <00:25:18.200>little, <00:25:18.327>uh, <00:25:18.455>bit,

513
00:25:21.935 --> 00:25:24.435
<00:25:21.935>uh, <00:25:22.215>time, <00:25:22.495>uh, <00:25:22.774>more <00:25:23.054>time <00:25:23.335>invest.

514
00:25:24.455 --> 00:25:28.395
<00:25:24.455>But <00:25:24.582>at <00:25:24.709>the <00:25:24.836>end <00:25:24.964>it <00:25:25.091>was, <00:25:25.218>for <00:25:25.345>me, <00:25:25.473>um, <00:25:25.600>easier <00:25:25.727>to <00:25:25.855>understand

515
00:25:28.445 --> 00:25:31.875
<00:25:28.445>where <00:25:28.585>we <00:25:28.725>need <00:25:28.865>to, <00:25:29.004>uh, <00:25:29.145>invest <00:25:29.284>in <00:25:29.425>cultural <00:25:29.564>topic, <00:25:29.705>for <00:25:29.845>example,

516
00:25:31.945 --> 00:25:33.915
<00:25:31.945>when <00:25:32.145>we <00:25:32.345>are <00:25:32.544>talking <00:25:32.745>about, <00:25:32.945>uh, <00:25:33.145>hiring <00:25:33.345>managers

517
00:25:34.295 --> 00:25:37.755
<00:25:34.295>and <00:25:34.435>where <00:25:34.575>we, <00:25:34.715>we <00:25:34.855>need <00:25:34.995>to <00:25:35.135>invest <00:25:35.275>in, <00:25:35.415>in <00:25:35.555>employer <00:25:35.695>branding

518
00:25:37.855 --> 00:25:39.555
<00:25:37.855>or <00:25:38.205>in <00:25:38.555>in <00:25:38.905>other <00:25:39.255>activities.

519
00:25:39.975 --> 00:25:42.755
<00:25:39.975>So <00:25:40.130>overall, <00:25:40.286>I'm <00:25:40.441>a <00:25:40.597>big <00:25:40.752>fan <00:25:40.908>of <00:25:41.063>metrics, <00:25:41.219>of <00:25:41.375>course.

520
00:25:43.615 --> 00:25:48.115
<00:25:43.615>But, <00:25:43.848>uh, <00:25:44.081>here, <00:25:44.315>um, <00:25:44.548>comes <00:25:44.781>to <00:25:45.015>change

521
00:25:48.655 --> 00:25:51.675
<00:25:48.655>things <00:25:48.888>when <00:25:49.121>they <00:25:49.355>happens <00:25:49.588>and <00:25:49.821>not <00:25:50.055>afterwards.

522
00:25:52.215 --> 00:25:55.755
<00:25:52.215>And <00:25:52.448>of <00:25:52.681>course, <00:25:52.915>to <00:25:53.148>promise, <00:25:53.381>uh, <00:25:53.615>publicly

523
00:25:55.945 --> 00:25:59.155
<00:25:55.945>what <00:25:56.100>US <00:25:56.256>company <00:25:56.411>has <00:25:56.567>bought <00:25:56.722>want <00:25:56.878>to <00:25:57.033>achieve <00:25:57.189>by <00:25:57.345>then.

524
00:26:07.335 --> 00:26:09.795
<00:26:07.335>Should <00:26:07.535>I <00:26:07.735>take <00:26:07.935>this <00:26:08.135>one? <00:26:08.335>Okay. <00:26:08.535>Further <00:26:08.735>questions.

525
00:26:09.975 --> 00:26:12.315
<00:26:09.975>Do <00:26:10.115>we <00:26:10.254>have <00:26:10.395>another <00:26:10.534>question? <00:26:10.675>I <00:26:10.814>think <00:26:10.955>with <00:26:11.094>space <00:26:11.235>for <00:26:11.375>one

526
00:26:12.315 --> 00:26:13.675
<00:26:12.315>or <00:26:12.489>two, <00:26:12.664>I <00:26:12.839>think <00:26:13.014>we <00:26:13.189>can <00:26:13.364>handle <00:26:13.539>this.

527
00:26:15.085 --> 00:26:17.905
<00:26:15.085>Hey, <00:26:15.260>um, <00:26:15.435>I <00:26:15.610>have <00:26:15.785>a <00:26:15.960>question <00:26:16.135>about <00:26:16.310>the <00:26:16.485>current

528
00:26:18.085 --> 00:26:20.785
<00:26:18.085>or <00:26:18.365>ongoing <00:26:18.645>discussion <00:26:18.925>in <00:26:19.205>the <00:26:19.485>public

529
00:26:20.845 --> 00:26:24.305
<00:26:20.845>and <00:26:21.045>in <00:26:21.245>politics <00:26:21.445>about, <00:26:21.645>um, <00:26:21.845>the, <00:26:22.045>that <00:26:22.245>German

530
00:26:24.865 --> 00:26:28.025
<00:26:24.865>employees <00:26:25.098>in <00:26:25.331>comparison <00:26:25.565>to <00:26:25.798>other <00:26:26.031>European, <00:26:26.265>uh,

531
00:26:28.265 --> 00:26:29.345
<00:26:28.265>employees <00:26:28.589>don't <00:26:28.913>work <00:26:29.237>enough.

532
00:26:29.415 --> 00:26:32.785
<00:26:29.415>They <00:26:29.590>work <00:26:29.764>less, <00:26:29.940>uh, <00:26:30.115>than, <00:26:30.290>than <00:26:30.465>in <00:26:30.639>other <00:26:30.815>countries.

533
00:26:33.085 --> 00:26:35.425
<00:26:33.085>And <00:26:33.318>that <00:26:33.551>the <00:26:33.785>natural <00:26:34.018>instinct <00:26:34.251>here <00:26:34.485>is

534
00:26:35.425 --> 00:26:37.105
<00:26:35.425>that <00:26:35.658>they <00:26:35.891>should <00:26:36.125>increase <00:26:36.358>their <00:26:36.591>working <00:26:36.825>hours.

535
00:26:37.245 --> 00:26:42.145
<00:26:37.245>And <00:26:37.400>I <00:26:37.556>think <00:26:37.711>this <00:26:37.867>goes <00:26:38.022>against <00:26:38.178>the <00:26:38.333>di <00:26:38.489>um, <00:26:38.645>thought.

536
00:26:42.485 --> 00:26:44.805
<00:26:42.485>And <00:26:42.718>is <00:26:42.951>there <00:26:43.185>a <00:26:43.418>way <00:26:43.651>how <00:26:43.885>we

537
00:26:44.805 --> 00:26:48.365
<00:26:44.805>as <00:26:45.005>HR <00:26:45.205>representatives <00:26:45.405>can <00:26:45.605>influence <00:26:45.805>business <00:26:46.005>leaders <00:26:46.205>here?

538
00:26:48.905 --> 00:26:50.325
<00:26:48.905>And <00:26:49.087>what's <00:26:49.270>your <00:26:49.452>take <00:26:49.635>on <00:26:49.817>that <00:26:50.000>in <00:26:50.183>general?

539
00:26:51.025 --> 00:26:54.005
<00:26:51.025>Yes, <00:26:51.180>thank <00:26:51.336>you. <00:26:51.491>It's <00:26:51.647>very <00:26:51.802>important <00:26:51.958>question <00:26:52.113>is <00:26:52.269>at <00:26:52.425>a

540
00:26:54.005 --> 00:26:56.845
<00:26:54.005>strong <00:26:54.180>link, <00:26:54.355>of <00:26:54.530>course, <00:26:54.705>with, <00:26:54.880>uh, <00:26:55.055>diversity, <00:26:55.230>especially, <00:26:55.405>uh,

541
00:26:56.845 --> 00:26:57.965
<00:26:56.845>with <00:26:57.349>gender <00:26:57.852>diversity

542
00:26:58.715 --> 00:27:03.245
<00:26:58.715>because, <00:26:58.870>uh, <00:26:59.026>still, <00:26:59.181>uh, <00:26:59.337>the <00:26:59.492>majority <00:26:59.648>of <00:26:59.803>women <00:26:59.959>are <00:27:00.115>taking,

543
00:27:03.345 --> 00:27:07.565
<00:27:03.345>um, <00:27:03.500>uh, <00:27:03.656>care <00:27:03.811>on, <00:27:03.967>on, <00:27:04.122>um, <00:27:04.278>care <00:27:04.433>as <00:27:04.589>caregiver, <00:27:04.745>they,

544
00:27:07.565 --> 00:27:08.605
<00:27:07.565>uh, <00:27:08.501>jobs.

545
00:27:09.105 --> 00:27:13.045
<00:27:09.105>So <00:27:09.232>the <00:27:09.359>question <00:27:09.486>is <00:27:09.614>who <00:27:09.741>is <00:27:09.868>asking, <00:27:09.995>uh, <00:27:10.123>every <00:27:10.250>time <00:27:10.377>for, <00:27:10.505>um,

546
00:27:13.395 --> 00:27:14.525
<00:27:13.395>more <00:27:13.903>working <00:27:14.412>hours?

547
00:27:15.305 --> 00:27:17.885
<00:27:15.305>So <00:27:15.460>when <00:27:15.616>you <00:27:15.771>see <00:27:15.927>the <00:27:16.082>people <00:27:16.238>that <00:27:16.393>these <00:27:16.549>are <00:27:16.705>men

548
00:27:18.625 --> 00:27:22.285
<00:27:18.625>or, <00:27:18.975>um, <00:27:19.325>family <00:27:19.675>company <00:27:20.025>owners

549
00:27:22.985 --> 00:27:25.525
<00:27:22.985>or <00:27:23.334>other <00:27:23.685>privileged <00:27:24.034>people <00:27:24.385>who,

550
00:27:29.125 --> 00:27:33.905
<00:27:29.125>Who <00:27:29.280>are <00:27:29.436>not, <00:27:29.591>um, <00:27:29.747>part <00:27:29.902>of, <00:27:30.058>uh, <00:27:30.213>caregiving, <00:27:30.369>um, <00:27:30.525>um,

551
00:27:34.025 --> 00:27:35.545
<00:27:34.025>organization <00:27:34.481>within <00:27:34.937>the <00:27:35.393>family.

552
00:27:35.965 --> 00:27:40.745
<00:27:35.965>So <00:27:36.120>it <00:27:36.276>is <00:27:36.431>an, <00:27:36.587>an <00:27:36.742>an <00:27:36.898>discussion <00:27:37.053>which <00:27:37.209>is <00:27:37.365>not,

553
00:27:41.205 --> 00:27:44.105
<00:27:41.205>uh, <00:27:41.360>first <00:27:41.516>of <00:27:41.671>all, <00:27:41.827>it's, <00:27:41.982>it's <00:27:42.138>not <00:27:42.293>focused <00:27:42.449>on <00:27:42.605>productivity.

554
00:27:44.935 --> 00:27:48.665
<00:27:44.935>They <00:27:45.090>compare <00:27:45.246>the <00:27:45.401>working <00:27:45.557>hours <00:27:45.712>from <00:27:45.868>different, <00:27:46.023>uh, <00:27:46.179>um, <00:27:46.335>um,

555
00:27:49.105 --> 00:27:51.305
<00:27:49.105>European <00:27:49.305>countries, <00:27:49.505>which <00:27:49.705>is <00:27:49.905>not <00:27:50.105>from <00:27:50.305>science <00:27:50.505>perspective,

556
00:27:51.525 --> 00:27:53.505
<00:27:51.525>uh, <00:27:51.758>the <00:27:51.991>right <00:27:52.225>thing, <00:27:52.458>uh, <00:27:52.691>to <00:27:52.925>do.

557
00:27:53.685 --> 00:27:57.545
<00:27:53.685>And <00:27:53.812>we <00:27:53.939>know <00:27:54.066>also <00:27:54.194>with <00:27:54.321>the, <00:27:54.448>uh, <00:27:54.575>um, <00:27:54.703>evidence <00:27:54.830>that <00:27:54.957>in <00:27:55.085>Germany,

558
00:27:57.885 --> 00:28:01.225
<00:27:57.885>we <00:27:58.040>are <00:27:58.196>not <00:27:58.351>working <00:27:58.507>less <00:27:58.662>than <00:27:58.818>other <00:27:58.973>in <00:27:59.129>other <00:27:59.285>companies,

559
00:28:01.225 --> 00:28:04.545
<00:28:01.225>but <00:28:01.365>we <00:28:01.504>have <00:28:01.645>more <00:28:01.784>people <00:28:01.925>who <00:28:02.064>are <00:28:02.205>working <00:28:02.344>in, <00:28:02.485>in <00:28:02.625>part-time.

560
00:28:04.605 --> 00:28:07.825
<00:28:04.605>So <00:28:04.760>again, <00:28:04.916>it's <00:28:05.071>also <00:28:05.227>an <00:28:05.382>a <00:28:05.538>measure <00:28:05.693>of, <00:28:05.849>uh, <00:28:06.005>female,

561
00:28:08.245 --> 00:28:09.985
<00:28:08.245>um, <00:28:08.711>uh, <00:28:09.178>gender <00:28:09.645>diversity.

562
00:28:10.765 --> 00:28:13.065
<00:28:10.765>So <00:28:10.965>that <00:28:11.165>what <00:28:11.365>we <00:28:11.565>can <00:28:11.765>do <00:28:11.965>as <00:28:12.165>hr,

563
00:28:13.065 --> 00:28:16.305
<00:28:13.065>but <00:28:13.205>not <00:28:13.345>as <00:28:13.485>hr, <00:28:13.625>they're <00:28:13.765>floating <00:28:13.905>the <00:28:14.045>zone <00:28:14.185>with <00:28:14.325>this <00:28:14.465>s**t.

564
00:28:17.165 --> 00:28:21.025
<00:28:17.165>We <00:28:17.292>should <00:28:17.419>do <00:28:17.546>it <00:28:17.674>with <00:28:17.801>the <00:28:17.928>anti <00:28:18.055>s**t <00:28:18.183>that <00:28:18.310>means <00:28:18.437>more <00:28:18.565>evidence.

565
00:28:21.245 --> 00:28:24.705
<00:28:21.245>Uh, <00:28:21.419>we <00:28:21.594>have <00:28:21.770>Daniel <00:28:21.945>Data, <00:28:22.120>Daniel <00:28:22.294>here <00:28:22.469>within <00:28:22.645>us,

566
00:28:25.125 --> 00:28:29.105
<00:28:25.125>but <00:28:25.300>also <00:28:25.475>there's <00:28:25.650>other <00:28:25.825>professor <00:28:26.000>like <00:28:26.175>Ralph <00:28:26.350>and <00:28:26.525>myself.

567
00:28:29.165 --> 00:28:32.385
<00:28:29.165>We <00:28:29.340>are <00:28:29.514>posting <00:28:29.690>every <00:28:29.865>time <00:28:30.040>regularly <00:28:30.215>with <00:28:30.389>the <00:28:30.565>facts.

568
00:28:32.485 --> 00:28:36.625
<00:28:32.485>And, <00:28:32.659>uh, <00:28:32.834>and <00:28:33.010>um, <00:28:33.185>with <00:28:33.360>the <00:28:33.534>hope <00:28:33.709>that <00:28:33.885>the

569
00:28:37.265 --> 00:28:38.705
<00:28:37.265>evidence <00:28:37.697>will <00:28:38.129>reach <00:28:38.561>everyone,

570
00:28:39.285 --> 00:28:41.985
<00:28:39.285>and <00:28:39.460>when <00:28:39.635>there's <00:28:39.810>discussion <00:28:39.985>within <00:28:40.160>the <00:28:40.335>company <00:28:40.510>about <00:28:40.685>these

571
00:28:41.985 --> 00:28:45.425
<00:28:41.985>topics, <00:28:42.159>that <00:28:42.334>we <00:28:42.510>can <00:28:42.685>convince <00:28:42.860>them <00:28:43.034>with <00:28:43.209>the <00:28:43.385>facts

572
00:28:45.685 --> 00:28:50.425
<00:28:45.685>and <00:28:45.825>also, <00:28:45.965>um, <00:28:46.105>show <00:28:46.245>them <00:28:46.385>that <00:28:46.524>we <00:28:46.665>are <00:28:46.804>discussing <00:28:46.945>about, <00:28:47.085>um,

573
00:28:50.885 --> 00:28:53.065
<00:28:50.885>uh, <00:28:51.235>about <00:28:51.585>an <00:28:51.935>underprivileged <00:28:52.285>group.

574
00:28:53.495 --> 00:28:55.665
<00:28:53.495>They're <00:28:53.844>already <00:28:54.195>under <00:28:54.544>p <00:28:54.895>privilege.

575
00:28:56.365 --> 00:28:58.825
<00:28:56.365>Um, <00:28:56.540>and <00:28:56.715>we <00:28:56.890>should <00:28:57.065>take <00:28:57.240>care <00:28:57.415>to <00:28:57.590>be <00:28:57.765>here.

576
00:28:59.045 --> 00:29:01.025
<00:28:59.045>Uh, <00:28:59.245>care <00:28:59.445>for <00:28:59.645>what <00:28:59.845>we <00:29:00.045>are <00:29:00.245>asking <00:29:00.445>for.

577
00:29:01.855 --> 00:29:05.505
<00:29:01.855>Okey <00:29:01.995>do <00:29:02.135>want <00:29:02.275>the <00:29:02.415>lady, <00:29:02.555>I <00:29:02.695>think <00:29:02.835>to, <00:29:02.975>ah, <00:29:03.115>okay. <00:29:03.255>Yeah.

578
00:29:06.625 --> 00:29:08.965
<00:29:06.625>Uh, <00:29:06.825>yeah. <00:29:07.025>Hi, <00:29:07.225>uh, <00:29:07.425>I'm <00:29:07.625>Marcella <00:29:07.825>from <00:29:08.025>radio.

579
00:29:09.105 --> 00:29:10.485
<00:29:09.105>We <00:29:09.353>are <00:29:09.601>a <00:29:09.850>female <00:29:10.098>tech <00:29:10.347>network.

580
00:29:10.905 --> 00:29:13.365
<00:29:10.905>So <00:29:11.138>wanted <00:29:11.371>to <00:29:11.605>actually <00:29:11.838>comment <00:29:12.071>on <00:29:12.305>this.

581
00:29:13.825 --> 00:29:16.725
<00:29:13.825>Uh, <00:29:13.980>I <00:29:14.136>think <00:29:14.291>very <00:29:14.447>often <00:29:14.602>we <00:29:14.758>have <00:29:14.913>this <00:29:15.069>conversation <00:29:15.225>where

582
00:29:17.385 --> 00:29:21.565
<00:29:17.385>we <00:29:17.560>talk <00:29:17.735>about <00:29:17.910>women <00:29:18.085>have <00:29:18.260>children, <00:29:18.435>women <00:29:18.610>have <00:29:18.785>caring

583
00:29:22.085 --> 00:29:25.685
<00:29:22.085>responsibilities, <00:29:22.318>but <00:29:22.551>isn't <00:29:22.785>it <00:29:23.018>people <00:29:23.251>have <00:29:23.485>children?

584
00:29:26.275 --> 00:29:30.725
<00:29:26.275>Yeah. <00:29:26.475>Men <00:29:26.675>have <00:29:26.875>children, <00:29:27.075>men <00:29:27.275>have <00:29:27.475>caring <00:29:27.675>responsibilities.

585
00:29:31.465 --> 00:29:33.725
<00:29:31.465>You <00:29:31.605>know, <00:29:31.745>the <00:29:31.885>fact <00:29:32.024>that, <00:29:32.165>you <00:29:32.304>know, <00:29:32.445>it's <00:29:32.584>not <00:29:32.725>like <00:29:32.865>me.

586
00:29:33.825 --> 00:29:37.165
<00:29:33.825>I'm <00:29:33.980>deciding <00:29:34.136>to <00:29:34.291>have <00:29:34.447>three <00:29:34.602>or <00:29:34.758>four <00:29:34.913>children, <00:29:35.069>right? <00:29:35.225>Mm-hmm.

587
00:29:37.265 --> 00:29:40.525
<00:29:37.265>We <00:29:37.465>decided <00:29:37.665>with <00:29:37.865>my <00:29:38.065>partner, <00:29:38.265>I'm <00:29:38.465>assuming, <00:29:38.665>right?

588
00:29:41.145 --> 00:29:44.445
<00:29:41.145>So <00:29:41.285>I <00:29:41.425>think <00:29:41.565>it's <00:29:41.705>like <00:29:41.845>elephant <00:29:41.985>in <00:29:42.125>the <00:29:42.264>room, <00:29:42.405>you <00:29:42.545>know,

589
00:29:44.765 --> 00:29:47.765
<00:29:44.765>I <00:29:44.905>guess <00:29:45.045>men <00:29:45.185>here, <00:29:45.325>all <00:29:45.465>of <00:29:45.605>you <00:29:45.745>also <00:29:45.885>have <00:29:46.025>children, <00:29:46.165>right?

590
00:29:47.945 --> 00:29:50.525
<00:29:47.945>And <00:29:48.225>it's <00:29:48.504>not <00:29:48.784>your <00:29:49.064>women's <00:29:49.345>problem.

591
00:29:51.505 --> 00:29:54.085
<00:29:51.505>And <00:29:51.632>so <00:29:51.759>I <00:29:51.886>think, <00:29:52.014>you <00:29:52.141>know, <00:29:52.268>also <00:29:52.395>in <00:29:52.523>the <00:29:52.650>companies <00:29:52.777>we <00:29:52.905>need,

592
00:29:54.085 --> 00:29:58.245
<00:29:54.085>like <00:29:54.225>HR <00:29:54.365>people <00:29:54.505>and <00:29:54.645>you <00:29:54.785>know, <00:29:54.925>also <00:29:55.065>society <00:29:55.205>to <00:29:55.345>recognize <00:29:55.485>that,

593
00:29:58.955 --> 00:30:03.005
<00:29:58.955>because <00:29:59.082>I <00:29:59.209>think <00:29:59.336>it's <00:29:59.464>a <00:29:59.591>big <00:29:59.718>problem <00:29:59.845>when <00:29:59.973>women <00:30:00.100>only <00:30:00.227>get <00:30:00.355>the

594
00:30:03.205 --> 00:30:05.405
<00:30:03.205>maternity <00:30:03.438>leave, <00:30:03.671>but <00:30:03.905>we <00:30:04.138>don't <00:30:04.371>have <00:30:04.605>equal

595
00:30:05.405 --> 00:30:06.565
<00:30:05.405>opportunities <00:30:05.927>for <00:30:06.449>men.

596
00:30:07.225 --> 00:30:09.845
<00:30:07.225>And <00:30:07.425>also, <00:30:07.625>maybe <00:30:07.824>it's <00:30:08.024>a <00:30:08.225>stigma <00:30:08.425>for <00:30:08.625>men

597
00:30:09.905 --> 00:30:11.125
<00:30:09.905>to <00:30:10.271>take <00:30:10.637>parental <00:30:11.003>leave.

598
00:30:11.655 --> 00:30:14.485
<00:30:11.655>Maybe <00:30:11.810>the <00:30:11.966>manager <00:30:12.121>of <00:30:12.277>the <00:30:12.432>guy <00:30:12.588>will <00:30:12.743>be <00:30:12.899>like, <00:30:13.055>oh,

599
00:30:14.485 --> 00:30:15.725
<00:30:14.485>you're <00:30:14.857>taking <00:30:15.228>parental <00:30:15.601>leave,

600
00:30:15.825 --> 00:30:17.325
<00:30:15.825>but <00:30:16.050>you <00:30:16.275>didn't, <00:30:16.500>you <00:30:16.725>were <00:30:16.950>not <00:30:17.175>pregnant.

601
00:30:17.465 --> 00:30:20.485
<00:30:17.465>You <00:30:17.605>know, <00:30:17.745>like, <00:30:17.885>this <00:30:18.024>is <00:30:18.165>not <00:30:18.304>an <00:30:18.445>issue <00:30:18.584>for <00:30:18.725>you. <00:30:18.865>Right?

602
00:30:20.985 --> 00:30:24.445
<00:30:20.985>So <00:30:21.112>I <00:30:21.239>think <00:30:21.366>this <00:30:21.494>is <00:30:21.621>something, <00:30:21.748>you <00:30:21.875>know, <00:30:22.003>we <00:30:22.130>don't <00:30:22.257>talk <00:30:22.385>enough

603
00:30:24.865 --> 00:30:27.165
<00:30:24.865>and <00:30:25.040>maybe <00:30:25.215>we <00:30:25.390>need <00:30:25.565>also <00:30:25.740>some <00:30:25.915>training <00:30:26.090>about <00:30:26.265>that.

604
00:30:27.415 --> 00:30:29.925
<00:30:27.415>Maybe <00:30:27.615>we <00:30:27.815>also <00:30:28.014>need <00:30:28.215>to <00:30:28.415>promote <00:30:28.615>this <00:30:28.815>idea

605
00:30:29.985 --> 00:30:31.925
<00:30:29.985>of <00:30:30.218>men <00:30:30.451>taking <00:30:30.685>parental <00:30:30.918>leave <00:30:31.151>as <00:30:31.385>well.

606
00:30:32.505 --> 00:30:34.045
<00:30:32.505>You <00:30:32.851>know, <00:30:33.198>I'm <00:30:33.544>assuming <00:30:33.891>men

607
00:30:34.105 --> 00:30:36.445
<00:30:34.105>who <00:30:34.280>are <00:30:34.455>fathers <00:30:34.630>here <00:30:34.805>also <00:30:34.980>care <00:30:35.155>about <00:30:35.330>their <00:30:35.505>children.

608
00:30:37.025 --> 00:30:39.285
<00:30:37.025>Mm-hmm. <00:30:37.225>Or <00:30:37.425>none. <00:30:37.625>I <00:30:37.825>mean, <00:30:38.025>I <00:30:38.225>don't <00:30:38.425>know.

609
00:30:39.525 --> 00:30:41.005
<00:30:39.525>I <00:30:39.791>mean, <00:30:40.057>you <00:30:40.324>know, <00:30:40.590>interesting <00:30:40.857>things.

610
00:30:41.105 --> 00:30:43.885
<00:30:41.105>So <00:30:41.305>I <00:30:41.505>would <00:30:41.705>like <00:30:41.905>to <00:30:42.105>understand. <00:30:42.305>Yeah, <00:30:42.505>please.

611
00:30:44.745 --> 00:30:47.365
<00:30:44.745>Yes. <00:30:45.024>It's <00:30:45.304>very, <00:30:45.584>uh, <00:30:45.864>important <00:30:46.145>topic.

612
00:30:47.545 --> 00:30:48.965
<00:30:47.545>So <00:30:47.800>what, <00:30:48.056>uh, <00:30:48.311>and <00:30:48.567>lot <00:30:48.822>of

613
00:30:49.885 --> 00:30:52.085
<00:30:49.885>companies <00:30:50.118>have <00:30:50.351>already <00:30:50.585>established <00:30:50.818>is <00:30:51.051>something <00:30:51.285>like

614
00:30:52.085 --> 00:30:53.285
<00:30:52.085>father <00:30:53.165>networks.

615
00:30:53.955 --> 00:30:55.565
<00:30:53.955>It's, <00:30:54.304>uh, <00:30:54.655>one <00:30:55.004>important <00:30:55.355>thing.

616
00:30:55.565 --> 00:30:57.605
<00:30:55.565>Of <00:30:55.765>course, <00:30:55.965>a <00:30:56.165>lot <00:30:56.365>of <00:30:56.565>network <00:30:56.765>women, <00:30:56.965>uh,

617
00:30:57.845 --> 00:30:59.325
<00:30:57.845>networks, <00:30:58.289>single <00:30:58.733>parent <00:30:59.177>network.

618
00:30:59.905 --> 00:31:01.645
<00:30:59.905>But <00:31:00.185>having <00:31:00.465>a <00:31:00.745>Father <00:31:01.024>net <00:31:01.305>network,

619
00:31:01.925 --> 00:31:06.005
<00:31:01.925>I <00:31:02.080>have <00:31:02.236>established <00:31:02.391>2018 <00:31:02.547>at <00:31:02.702>SAP, <00:31:02.858>it's, <00:31:03.013>uh, <00:31:03.169>shows, <00:31:03.325>again

620
00:31:06.005 --> 00:31:08.725
<00:31:06.005>what <00:31:06.160>you <00:31:06.316>say, <00:31:06.471>it, <00:31:06.627>it's <00:31:06.782>not <00:31:06.938>only, <00:31:07.093>uh, <00:31:07.249>mothers <00:31:07.405>or,

621
00:31:08.725 --> 00:31:10.805
<00:31:08.725>or <00:31:09.074>women's, <00:31:09.425>uh, <00:31:09.774>um, <00:31:10.125>issue.

622
00:31:10.805 --> 00:31:11.925
<00:31:10.805>It's <00:31:11.812>both.

623
00:31:12.145 --> 00:31:15.685
<00:31:12.145>And <00:31:12.378>they <00:31:12.611>can <00:31:12.845>also, <00:31:13.078>um, <00:31:13.311>suggest <00:31:13.545>what

624
00:31:15.685 --> 00:31:19.405
<00:31:15.685>to <00:31:15.840>do <00:31:15.996>within <00:31:16.151>the <00:31:16.307>company <00:31:16.462>in <00:31:16.618>order <00:31:16.773>to <00:31:16.929>also, <00:31:17.085>um,

625
00:31:20.485 --> 00:31:23.005
<00:31:20.485>motivate <00:31:20.764>men <00:31:21.044>to <00:31:21.324>take <00:31:21.604>parental <00:31:21.885>leave.

626
00:31:23.025 --> 00:31:26.245
<00:31:23.025>The <00:31:23.200>second, <00:31:23.375>uh, <00:31:23.550>uh, <00:31:23.725>um, <00:31:23.900>second <00:31:24.075>thing <00:31:24.250>is <00:31:24.425>to,

627
00:31:26.785 --> 00:31:29.085
<00:31:26.785>to <00:31:26.985>introduce <00:31:27.185>something <00:31:27.385>like <00:31:27.585>partner <00:31:27.785>time, <00:31:27.985>you <00:31:28.185>know,

628
00:31:29.305 --> 00:31:33.405
<00:31:29.305>but <00:31:29.412>I <00:31:29.520>did <00:31:29.628>at <00:31:29.735>SAP, <00:31:29.843>so <00:31:29.951>that <00:31:30.058>you <00:31:30.166>have <00:31:30.274>as, <00:31:30.381>as <00:31:30.489>as <00:31:30.597>partner <00:31:30.705>time.

629
00:31:33.625 --> 00:31:35.565
<00:31:33.625>So <00:31:33.800>at <00:31:33.975>the <00:31:34.150>end <00:31:34.325>will <00:31:34.500>be <00:31:34.675>the <00:31:34.850>father <00:31:35.025>time.

630
00:31:36.025 --> 00:31:39.965
<00:31:36.025>So <00:31:36.165>you <00:31:36.305>can, <00:31:36.445>uh, <00:31:36.585>uh, <00:31:36.725>have <00:31:36.865>up <00:31:37.005>to <00:31:37.145>six <00:31:37.285>weeks <00:31:37.425>free

631
00:31:39.965 --> 00:31:41.205
<00:31:39.965>after <00:31:40.523>giving <00:31:41.081>birth.

632
00:31:41.905 --> 00:31:43.925
<00:31:41.905>So <00:31:42.080>this <00:31:42.254>is <00:31:42.430>something <00:31:42.605>what <00:31:42.780>also <00:31:42.955>the <00:31:43.129>government <00:31:43.305>want

633
00:31:43.925 --> 00:31:46.685
<00:31:43.925>to <00:31:44.158>introduce, <00:31:44.391>uh, <00:31:44.625>with <00:31:44.858>a <00:31:45.091>famili, <00:31:45.325>uh,

634
00:31:47.145 --> 00:31:49.165
<00:31:47.145>famili <00:31:47.845>start <00:31:48.545>site.

635
00:31:50.065 --> 00:31:53.485
<00:31:50.065>So <00:31:50.205>these <00:31:50.345>are <00:31:50.485>measures <00:31:50.625>which <00:31:50.765>will <00:31:50.905>help <00:31:51.045>what <00:31:51.185>you <00:31:51.325>already <00:31:51.465>said

636
00:31:53.485 --> 00:31:57.765
<00:31:53.485>that, <00:31:53.685>uh, <00:31:53.885>parenthood, <00:31:54.084>uh, <00:31:54.284>is <00:31:54.485>understanding <00:31:54.685>as, <00:31:54.885>um,

637
00:31:57.825 --> 00:32:01.605
<00:31:57.825>as <00:31:57.980>a <00:31:58.136>topic <00:31:58.291>or <00:31:58.447>as <00:31:58.602>a <00:31:58.758>duty <00:31:58.913>of <00:31:59.069>both <00:31:59.225>partner

638
00:32:01.825 --> 00:32:03.285
<00:32:01.825>and <00:32:02.263>not <00:32:02.701>only <00:32:03.139>woman.

639
00:32:03.585 --> 00:32:06.605
<00:32:03.585>And <00:32:03.785>especially <00:32:03.985>introducing <00:32:04.185>father <00:32:04.385>time <00:32:04.585>or <00:32:04.785>partner <00:32:04.985>time

640
00:32:06.605 --> 00:32:10.605
<00:32:06.605>and <00:32:06.760>company <00:32:06.916>is <00:32:07.071>the <00:32:07.227>easiest <00:32:07.382>one <00:32:07.538>because <00:32:07.693>it <00:32:07.849>costs <00:32:08.005>nothing.

641
00:32:11.125 --> 00:32:13.645
<00:32:11.125>Additionally. <00:32:11.358>It's <00:32:11.591>just, <00:32:11.825>again, <00:32:12.058>a <00:32:12.291>mindset <00:32:12.525>topic.

642
00:32:13.855 --> 00:32:18.205
<00:32:13.855>Every <00:32:14.010>company <00:32:14.166>or <00:32:14.321>every <00:32:14.477>department <00:32:14.632>which <00:32:14.788>can <00:32:14.943>afford <00:32:15.099>to, <00:32:15.255>uh,

643
00:32:18.305 --> 00:32:21.885
<00:32:18.305>to <00:32:18.445>have <00:32:18.585>someone <00:32:18.725>two <00:32:18.865>or <00:32:19.005>three <00:32:19.145>weeks <00:32:19.285>in <00:32:19.425>sickness, <00:32:19.565>this <00:32:19.705>company

644
00:32:21.985 --> 00:32:24.045
<00:32:21.985>or <00:32:22.185>this <00:32:22.385>apartment, <00:32:22.584>can <00:32:22.784>also <00:32:22.985>afford <00:32:23.185>to <00:32:23.385>have

645
00:32:24.795 --> 00:32:26.365
<00:32:24.795>further <00:32:25.145>time <00:32:25.495>or <00:32:25.845>partner <00:32:26.195>time.

646
00:32:26.585 --> 00:32:28.805
<00:32:26.585>If <00:32:26.740>you <00:32:26.896>have <00:32:27.051>any <00:32:27.207>question <00:32:27.362>now <00:32:27.518>to <00:32:27.673>introduce <00:32:27.829>it, <00:32:27.985>uh,

647
00:32:28.935 --> 00:32:30.125
<00:32:28.935>let's <00:32:29.470>discuss <00:32:30.006>afterwards.

648
00:32:30.625 --> 00:32:32.645
<00:32:30.625>As <00:32:30.825>you <00:32:31.025>may <00:32:31.225>know, <00:32:31.425>I <00:32:31.625>introduced <00:32:31.825>the <00:32:32.025>SAP

649
00:32:32.695 --> 00:32:34.605
<00:32:32.695>after <00:32:33.044>leaving <00:32:33.395>SAP, <00:32:33.745>they, <00:32:34.095>uh,

650
00:32:34.715 --> 00:32:36.405
<00:32:34.715>they <00:32:35.064>eliminated <00:32:35.415>this <00:32:35.764>program <00:32:36.115>again,

651
00:32:36.705 --> 00:32:38.885
<00:32:36.705>but <00:32:36.985>it's, <00:32:37.264>this <00:32:37.544>is <00:32:37.824>another <00:32:38.105>story.

652
00:32:39.955 --> 00:32:41.965
<00:32:39.955>Kawa, <00:32:40.110>it <00:32:40.266>was <00:32:40.421>a <00:32:40.577>pleasure <00:32:40.732>to <00:32:40.888>have <00:32:41.043>you <00:32:41.199>on <00:32:41.355>stage.

653
00:32:41.985 --> 00:32:45.005
<00:32:41.985>It <00:32:42.101>was <00:32:42.218>a <00:32:42.334>pleasure <00:32:42.451>to <00:32:42.568>do <00:32:42.685>this <00:32:42.801>opening <00:32:42.918>fire <00:32:43.034>set <00:32:43.151>chat <00:32:43.268>with <00:32:43.385>you.

654
00:32:45.295 --> 00:32:46.685
<00:32:45.295>Thank <00:32:45.545>you <00:32:45.795>very <00:32:46.045>much. <00:32:46.295>Big <00:32:46.546>round

655
00:32:46.685 --> 00:32:47.845
<00:32:46.685>of <00:32:46.893>applause <00:32:47.102>to <00:32:47.311>kava, <00:32:47.520>you <00:32:47.729>know.

656
00:32:47.855 --> 00:32:48.765
<00:32:47.855>Thank <00:32:48.059>you <00:32:48.264>very <00:32:48.469>much. <00:32:48.674>Thanks.