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394
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<00:20:48.905>So <00:20:49.080>he's <00:20:49.254>taking <00:20:49.430>care <00:20:49.605>about, <00:20:49.780>uh, <00:20:49.955>financially <00:20:50.129>and, <00:20:50.305>and,

395
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<00:20:52.025>and <00:20:52.200>structurally <00:20:52.375>that <00:20:52.550>it <00:20:52.725>really <00:20:52.900>works <00:20:53.075>for <00:20:53.250>the <00:20:53.425>company.

396
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<00:20:55.705>It <00:20:55.938>makes <00:20:56.171>sense <00:20:56.405>and <00:20:56.638>it <00:20:56.871>has <00:20:57.105>business.

397
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<00:20:58.265>It, <00:20:58.520>it's <00:20:58.776>really <00:20:59.031>the <00:20:59.287>business <00:20:59.543>opportunities.

398
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<00:20:59.955>Then <00:21:00.304>we <00:21:00.655>have <00:21:01.004>the <00:21:01.355>CCO

399
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<00:21:02.025>or <00:21:02.200>CTO <00:21:02.375>is <00:21:02.550>taking <00:21:02.725>care <00:21:02.900>about <00:21:03.075>understanding <00:21:03.250>the <00:21:03.425>technology

400
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<00:21:05.905>and <00:21:06.211>the <00:21:06.517>movements <00:21:06.822>there.

401
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<00:21:07.705>And <00:21:07.821>then <00:21:07.938>I <00:21:08.054>think, <00:21:08.171>and <00:21:08.288>that's <00:21:08.405>the <00:21:08.521>missing <00:21:08.638>link <00:21:08.754>for <00:21:08.871>my, <00:21:08.988>for <00:21:09.105>me

402
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<00:21:11.005>and <00:21:11.145>you, <00:21:11.285>you <00:21:11.425>described <00:21:11.565>it <00:21:11.705>exactly <00:21:11.845>like <00:21:11.985>this <00:21:12.125>as, <00:21:12.265>as <00:21:12.405>well.

403
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<00:21:14.545>Uh, <00:21:14.895>I <00:21:15.245>think <00:21:15.595>it's <00:21:15.945>CHROs

404
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<00:21:16.925>or <00:21:17.052>the <00:21:17.179>C <00:21:17.306>is, <00:21:17.434>uh, <00:21:17.561>the, <00:21:17.688>uh, <00:21:17.815>uh, <00:21:17.943>HR <00:21:18.070>departments <00:21:18.197>that <00:21:18.325>need

405
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<00:21:20.725>to <00:21:20.925>understand <00:21:21.125>all <00:21:21.324>the <00:21:21.524>other <00:21:21.725>aspects <00:21:21.925>as <00:21:22.125>well.

406
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<00:21:24.285>So <00:21:24.412>at <00:21:24.539>the <00:21:24.666>end <00:21:24.794>of <00:21:24.921>the <00:21:25.048>day, <00:21:25.175>I <00:21:25.303>think <00:21:25.430>if <00:21:25.557>you <00:21:25.685>want

407
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<00:21:26.225>to <00:21:26.425>bring <00:21:26.625>it <00:21:26.824>into <00:21:27.024>successful <00:21:27.225>future, <00:21:27.425>you <00:21:27.625>need

408
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<00:21:29.865>to <00:21:30.065>have <00:21:30.265>a <00:21:30.465>strong <00:21:30.665>alliance <00:21:30.865>between <00:21:31.065>this <00:21:31.265>triangle

409
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<00:21:32.965>and <00:21:33.165>it <00:21:33.365>needs <00:21:33.564>to <00:21:33.764>be <00:21:33.965>balanced <00:21:34.165>as <00:21:34.365>well.

410
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<00:21:35.085>So <00:21:35.225>I <00:21:35.365>think <00:21:35.505>all <00:21:35.645>the <00:21:35.785>three <00:21:35.925>things <00:21:36.065>needs <00:21:36.205>to <00:21:36.345>be <00:21:36.485>balanced.

411
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<00:21:39.205>What's <00:21:39.332>your <00:21:39.459>take <00:21:39.586>on <00:21:39.714>this <00:21:39.841>idea, <00:21:39.968>or <00:21:40.095>how <00:21:40.223>do <00:21:40.350>you <00:21:40.477>see <00:21:40.605>that?

412
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<00:21:44.645>Yes, <00:21:44.878>that's, <00:21:45.111>that's <00:21:45.345>the <00:21:45.578>quick <00:21:45.811>answer. <00:21:46.045>Yes.

413
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<00:21:49.885>Um, <00:21:50.235>we, <00:21:50.585>that's <00:21:50.935>the <00:21:51.285>thing.

414
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<00:21:53.185>We <00:21:53.360>need <00:21:53.534>to <00:21:53.710>really <00:21:53.885>integrate <00:21:54.060>people <00:21:54.235>into <00:21:54.409>the <00:21:54.585>tech,

415
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<00:21:57.135>into <00:21:57.415>the <00:21:57.695>commercial <00:21:57.975>aspect, <00:21:58.254>into <00:21:58.535>everything.

416
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<00:21:59.925>Um, <00:22:00.125>and <00:22:00.325>we <00:22:00.524>also <00:22:00.725>need <00:22:00.925>people, <00:22:01.125>leaders <00:22:01.325>like

417
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<00:22:05.545>CHRO, <00:22:06.011>chief <00:22:06.478>people, <00:22:06.945>officer,

418
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<00:22:07.985>whatever <00:22:08.251>you <00:22:08.517>might <00:22:08.784>call <00:22:09.050>that <00:22:09.317>function.

419
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<00:22:09.885>Um, <00:22:10.118>they <00:22:10.351>need <00:22:10.585>to <00:22:10.818>be <00:22:11.051>tech <00:22:11.285>savvy.

420
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<00:22:13.015>They <00:22:13.295>need <00:22:13.575>to <00:22:13.855>be <00:22:14.135>future <00:22:14.415>ready,

421
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<00:22:15.205>and <00:22:15.405>they <00:22:15.605>need <00:22:15.804>to <00:22:16.004>be <00:22:16.205>very, <00:22:16.405>very <00:22:16.605>entrepreneurial.

422
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<00:22:18.485>Um, <00:22:18.640>and <00:22:18.796>if <00:22:18.951>you <00:22:19.107>bring <00:22:19.262>those <00:22:19.418>that's <00:22:19.573>also <00:22:19.729>three, <00:22:19.885>um,

423
00:22:23.675 --> 00:22:28.665
<00:22:23.675>three <00:22:23.830>skills <00:22:23.986>or <00:22:24.141>primary <00:22:24.297>skills, <00:22:24.452>um, <00:22:24.608>you <00:22:24.763>can <00:22:24.919>then <00:22:25.075>also

424
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<00:22:29.835>bring <00:22:30.010>much <00:22:30.185>more <00:22:30.360>value <00:22:30.535>to <00:22:30.710>the <00:22:30.885>other <00:22:31.060>two <00:22:31.235>aspects.

425
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<00:22:33.645>And, <00:22:33.845>um, <00:22:34.045>we <00:22:34.245>need <00:22:34.445>to <00:22:34.645>speak <00:22:34.845>with <00:22:35.045>everybody.

426
00:22:38.505 --> 00:22:41.645
<00:22:38.505>We <00:22:38.660>are <00:22:38.816>not, <00:22:38.971>like, <00:22:39.127>sometimes <00:22:39.282>I <00:22:39.438>have <00:22:39.593>the <00:22:39.749>impression <00:22:39.905>that,

427
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<00:22:41.645>that <00:22:41.925>HR <00:22:42.205>is <00:22:42.485>seen <00:22:42.764>as <00:22:43.045>a

428
00:22:46.035 --> 00:22:48.595
<00:22:46.035>whatever <00:22:46.385>organization <00:22:46.735>within <00:22:47.085>the <00:22:47.435>organization

429
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<00:22:48.625>that <00:22:48.825>is <00:22:49.025>not <00:22:49.225>really <00:22:49.425>connected <00:22:49.625>to <00:22:49.825>everybody <00:22:50.025>else,

430
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<00:22:51.295>and <00:22:51.543>that's <00:22:51.791>definitely <00:22:52.040>not <00:22:52.288>the <00:22:52.537>case.

431
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<00:22:53.335>Um, <00:22:53.462>my <00:22:53.589>best, <00:22:53.716>my <00:22:53.844>best <00:22:53.971>friend <00:22:54.098>in <00:22:54.225>one <00:22:54.353>of <00:22:54.480>my <00:22:54.607>previous, <00:22:54.735>uh,

432
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<00:22:58.075>companies, <00:22:58.275>um, <00:22:58.475>was <00:22:58.675>the <00:22:58.875>senior <00:22:59.075>director <00:22:59.275>of <00:22:59.475>finance.

433
00:23:01.655 --> 00:23:03.555
<00:23:01.655>We <00:23:02.004>had <00:23:02.355>a <00:23:02.705>weekly <00:23:03.055>check-in.

434
00:23:03.555 --> 00:23:06.035
<00:23:03.555>We <00:23:03.835>spoke <00:23:04.115>about <00:23:04.395>everything <00:23:04.675>because <00:23:04.955>HR

435
00:23:06.035 --> 00:23:09.635
<00:23:06.035>and <00:23:06.190>finance <00:23:06.346>is <00:23:06.501>much <00:23:06.657>closer <00:23:06.812>connected <00:23:06.968>than <00:23:07.123>you <00:23:07.279>would <00:23:07.435>think.

436
00:23:10.255 --> 00:23:13.955
<00:23:10.255>Um, <00:23:10.430>and, <00:23:10.605>and <00:23:10.780>I <00:23:10.955>also <00:23:11.130>had <00:23:11.305>weekly <00:23:11.480>bi-weekly <00:23:11.655>check-ins

437
00:23:13.955 --> 00:23:18.155
<00:23:13.955>with <00:23:14.110>the <00:23:14.266>product <00:23:14.421>team, <00:23:14.577>with, <00:23:14.732>with <00:23:14.888>the <00:23:15.043>CTO, <00:23:15.199>um, <00:23:15.355>even

438
00:23:18.155 --> 00:23:22.185
<00:23:18.155>with <00:23:18.435>the <00:23:18.715>CEO <00:23:18.995>to <00:23:19.274>really <00:23:19.555>understand

439
00:23:22.565 --> 00:23:25.265
<00:23:22.565>how <00:23:22.740>we <00:23:22.915>can <00:23:23.090>create <00:23:23.265>added <00:23:23.440>value <00:23:23.615>to <00:23:23.790>the <00:23:23.965>company.

440
00:23:26.165 --> 00:23:30.345
<00:23:26.165>And, <00:23:26.340>um, <00:23:26.514>that's, <00:23:26.690>I <00:23:26.865>guess <00:23:27.040>that <00:23:27.215>is <00:23:27.389>a <00:23:27.565>solution,

441
00:23:30.485 --> 00:23:31.505
<00:23:30.485>um, <00:23:30.791>that <00:23:31.097>might <00:23:31.403>work.

442
00:23:31.645 --> 00:23:36.105
<00:23:31.645>Um, <00:23:31.925>and <00:23:32.205>if <00:23:32.485>we <00:23:32.764>manage <00:23:33.045>to

443
00:23:37.855 --> 00:23:42.085
<00:23:37.855>also, <00:23:38.088>yeah, <00:23:38.321>back <00:23:38.555>our <00:23:38.788>proposals <00:23:39.021>with <00:23:39.255>data,

444
00:23:42.665 --> 00:23:44.485
<00:23:42.665>um, <00:23:42.945>they <00:23:43.225>might <00:23:43.504>actually <00:23:43.784>be <00:23:44.065>heard

445
00:23:44.545 --> 00:23:46.485
<00:23:44.545>and <00:23:44.825>then <00:23:45.105>implemented <00:23:45.385>in <00:23:45.665>the <00:23:45.945>company.

446
00:23:46.985 --> 00:23:51.165
<00:23:46.985>As <00:23:47.084>long <00:23:47.185>as <00:23:47.284>you <00:23:47.385>say, <00:23:47.485>I <00:23:47.584>have <00:23:47.685>a <00:23:47.784>feeling <00:23:47.885>that <00:23:47.985>if <00:23:48.084>we <00:23:48.185>do <00:23:48.284>this, <00:23:48.385>um,

447
00:23:51.925 --> 00:23:53.525
<00:23:51.925>retention <00:23:52.391>will <00:23:52.858>be <00:23:53.325>better.

448
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<00:23:53.955>Yeah. <00:23:54.414>Nice <00:23:54.872>gut <00:23:55.331>feeling.

449
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<00:23:56.035>Marketing <00:23:56.268>does <00:23:56.501>not <00:23:56.735>come <00:23:56.968>to <00:23:57.201>the <00:23:57.435>CEO

450
00:23:58.285 --> 00:24:01.685
<00:23:58.285>and <00:23:58.392>say, <00:23:58.500>I <00:23:58.608>have <00:23:58.715>the <00:23:58.823>feeling <00:23:58.931>that <00:23:59.038>if <00:23:59.146>we <00:23:59.254>spend <00:23:59.361>100 <00:23:59.469>K <00:23:59.577>on <00:23:59.685>this

451
00:24:01.845 --> 00:24:05.085
<00:24:01.845>campaign, <00:24:02.020>um, <00:24:02.195>we, <00:24:02.370>we'll <00:24:02.545>generate <00:24:02.720>revenue <00:24:02.895>for <00:24:03.070>5 <00:24:03.245>million.

452
00:24:05.475 --> 00:24:07.605
<00:24:05.475>Yeah, <00:24:05.708>nice. <00:24:05.941>You <00:24:06.175>will <00:24:06.408>be <00:24:06.641>laughed <00:24:06.875>at.

453
00:24:07.605 --> 00:24:12.115
<00:24:07.605>And <00:24:07.805>then <00:24:08.005>we <00:24:08.205>wonder <00:24:08.405>why, <00:24:08.605>uh, <00:24:08.805>our <00:24:09.005>proposals

454
00:24:12.115 --> 00:24:14.675
<00:24:12.115>that <00:24:12.315>are <00:24:12.515>completely <00:24:12.715>not <00:24:12.915>backed <00:24:13.115>by <00:24:13.315>data, <00:24:13.515>um,

455
00:24:14.975 --> 00:24:16.035
<00:24:14.975>are <00:24:15.452>not <00:24:15.929>implemented.

456
00:24:16.535 --> 00:24:21.235
<00:24:16.535>So <00:24:16.662>it's <00:24:16.789>also <00:24:16.916>a, <00:24:17.044>a <00:24:17.171>learning <00:24:17.298>curve <00:24:17.425>for <00:24:17.553>us, <00:24:17.680>it, <00:24:17.807>hr, <00:24:17.935>um,

457
00:24:21.425 --> 00:24:25.315
<00:24:21.425>that <00:24:21.625>we <00:24:21.825>need <00:24:22.024>to <00:24:22.225>work <00:24:22.425>the <00:24:22.625>same <00:24:22.825>way

458
00:24:25.495 --> 00:24:27.555
<00:24:25.495>as <00:24:25.774>all <00:24:26.054>other <00:24:26.334>departments <00:24:26.614>as <00:24:26.895>well,

459
00:24:27.575 --> 00:24:31.075
<00:24:27.575>and <00:24:27.730>that <00:24:27.886>means <00:24:28.041>I <00:24:28.197>prepare <00:24:28.352>a <00:24:28.508>case, <00:24:28.663>I <00:24:28.819>collect <00:24:28.975>data,

460
00:24:31.715 --> 00:24:34.515
<00:24:31.715>I <00:24:31.915>connect <00:24:32.115>the <00:24:32.314>data <00:24:32.514>to <00:24:32.715>the <00:24:32.915>business <00:24:33.115>strategy,

461
00:24:34.935 --> 00:24:37.555
<00:24:34.935>and <00:24:35.215>I <00:24:35.495>calculate <00:24:35.774>a <00:24:36.054>potential <00:24:36.335>impact.

462
00:24:37.915 --> 00:24:39.635
<00:24:37.915>I <00:24:38.115>can <00:24:38.315>do <00:24:38.514>that <00:24:38.715>if <00:24:38.915>I <00:24:39.115>want <00:24:39.315>to,

463
00:24:39.895 --> 00:24:41.795
<00:24:39.895>and <00:24:40.070>that's <00:24:40.245>what <00:24:40.420>we <00:24:40.595>need <00:24:40.770>to <00:24:40.945>do <00:24:41.120>much <00:24:41.295>more.

464
00:24:42.055 --> 00:24:46.515
<00:24:42.055>If, <00:24:42.288>if <00:24:42.521>your <00:24:42.755>trinity <00:24:42.988>actually <00:24:43.221>is <00:24:43.455>really

465
00:24:47.035 --> 00:24:48.915
<00:24:47.035>functioning <00:24:47.385>in <00:24:47.735>that <00:24:48.085>way, <00:24:48.435>um,

466
00:24:49.545 --> 00:24:53.355
<00:24:49.545>they <00:24:49.700>will <00:24:49.856>be <00:24:50.011>much <00:24:50.167>more <00:24:50.322>successful <00:24:50.478>as, <00:24:50.633>as <00:24:50.789>companies <00:24:50.945>Right.

467
00:24:53.355 --> 00:24:54.355
Now,

468
00:24:54.755 --> 00:24:58.885
<00:24:54.755>Does <00:24:54.895>it <00:24:55.035>mean <00:24:55.175>that <00:24:55.315>HR <00:24:55.455>needs <00:24:55.595>to <00:24:55.735>learn, <00:24:55.875>speak, <00:24:56.015>uh, <00:24:56.155>CFO

469
00:24:58.925 --> 00:25:00.045
<00:24:58.925>and <00:24:59.429>CEO's <00:24:59.933>language?

470
00:25:01.665 --> 00:25:03.305
<00:25:01.665>Yes, <00:25:03.065>definitely.

471
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<00:25:04.065>Yeah. <00:25:04.765>Good <00:25:05.465>one.

472
00:25:06.915 --> 00:25:10.635
<00:25:06.915>I <00:25:07.031>mean, <00:25:07.148>uh, <00:25:07.264>I <00:25:07.381>want <00:25:07.498>to <00:25:07.615>to <00:25:07.731>to <00:25:07.848>touch <00:25:07.965>another <00:25:08.081>point, <00:25:08.198>uh, <00:25:08.315>uh,

473
00:25:10.855 --> 00:25:15.395
<00:25:10.855>as <00:25:10.995>hiring <00:25:11.135>has <00:25:11.275>slowed <00:25:11.415>down <00:25:11.555>in <00:25:11.695>the <00:25:11.835>recent <00:25:11.975>years, <00:25:12.115>uh, <00:25:12.255>what,

474
00:25:15.545 --> 00:25:18.915
<00:25:15.545>what, <00:25:15.700>what, <00:25:15.856>what's <00:25:16.011>one <00:25:16.167>thing <00:25:16.322>that, <00:25:16.478>I <00:25:16.633>mean, <00:25:16.789>what, <00:25:16.945>what,

475
00:25:18.915 --> 00:25:21.075
<00:25:18.915>what <00:25:19.115>my <00:25:19.315>impression <00:25:19.514>is <00:25:19.715>sometimes <00:25:19.915>that, <00:25:20.115>I <00:25:20.315>mean,

476
00:25:21.075 --> 00:25:23.235
<00:25:21.075>there's <00:25:21.308>a <00:25:21.541>crisis <00:25:21.775>and <00:25:22.008>everybody <00:25:22.241>stops <00:25:22.475>hiring.

477
00:25:23.495 --> 00:25:26.035
<00:25:23.495>We <00:25:23.669>are <00:25:23.844>putting <00:25:24.020>the <00:25:24.195>pen <00:25:24.370>back <00:25:24.544>on <00:25:24.719>the <00:25:24.895>table,

478
00:25:26.335 --> 00:25:28.795
<00:25:26.335>and <00:25:26.490>then <00:25:26.646>we <00:25:26.801>are, <00:25:26.957>we <00:25:27.112>are <00:25:27.268>start <00:25:27.423>sitting <00:25:27.579>and <00:25:27.735>waiting.

479
00:25:29.535 --> 00:25:34.195
<00:25:29.535>Uh, <00:25:29.690>but <00:25:29.846>what <00:25:30.001>it <00:25:30.157>is, <00:25:30.312>is <00:25:30.468>your, <00:25:30.623>uh, <00:25:30.779>take <00:25:30.935>on

480
00:25:34.975 --> 00:25:38.275
<00:25:34.975>how <00:25:35.130>should <00:25:35.286>companies, <00:25:35.441>even <00:25:35.597>if <00:25:35.752>there's <00:25:35.908>a <00:25:36.063>crisis, <00:25:36.219>if <00:25:36.375>you,

481
00:25:38.275 --> 00:25:40.595
<00:25:38.275>even <00:25:38.475>if <00:25:38.675>you're <00:25:38.875>slowing <00:25:39.075>down <00:25:39.275>hiring, <00:25:39.475>I <00:25:39.675>mean,

482
00:25:40.595 --> 00:25:42.515
<00:25:40.595>there <00:25:40.828>will <00:25:41.061>definitely <00:25:41.295>be <00:25:41.528>times <00:25:41.761>after <00:25:41.995>crisis.

483
00:25:42.525 --> 00:25:44.115
<00:25:42.525>There <00:25:42.725>will <00:25:42.925>be <00:25:43.125>times, <00:25:43.325>and <00:25:43.525>we <00:25:43.725>all <00:25:43.925>know

484
00:25:44.115 --> 00:25:47.355
<00:25:44.115>that <00:25:44.348>there's <00:25:44.581>a <00:25:44.815>sociodemographic <00:25:45.048>sociodemographic <00:25:45.281>shift <00:25:45.515>that,

485
00:25:47.735 --> 00:25:50.715
<00:25:47.735>uh, <00:25:47.862>there, <00:25:47.989>there <00:25:48.116>will <00:25:48.244>be <00:25:48.371>a <00:25:48.498>kind <00:25:48.625>of <00:25:48.753>a <00:25:48.880>war <00:25:49.007>for <00:25:49.135>talents

486
00:25:50.715 --> 00:25:52.955
<00:25:50.715>and <00:25:50.889>AI <00:25:51.064>can <00:25:51.240>probably <00:25:51.415>solve <00:25:51.590>it <00:25:51.764>a <00:25:51.939>little <00:25:52.115>bit

487
00:25:53.015 --> 00:25:54.395
<00:25:53.015>or <00:25:53.263>help <00:25:53.511>to <00:25:53.760>solve <00:25:54.008>it, <00:25:54.257>because

488
00:25:54.395 --> 00:25:56.155
<00:25:54.395>otherwise <00:25:54.745>it's <00:25:55.095>anyhow <00:25:55.445>a <00:25:55.795>dimension,

489
00:25:56.155 --> 00:25:58.635
<00:25:56.155>which <00:25:56.355>I <00:25:56.555>really <00:25:56.754>wonder <00:25:56.955>how <00:25:57.155>to <00:25:57.355>solve <00:25:57.555>it.

490
00:25:59.135 --> 00:26:01.155
<00:25:59.135>Uh <00:25:59.415>mm-hmm. <00:25:59.695>Uh, <00:25:59.975>what's <00:26:00.254>your <00:26:00.535>take

491
00:26:01.155 --> 00:26:03.995
<00:26:01.155>that <00:26:01.330>companies <00:26:01.504>should <00:26:01.680>still <00:26:01.855>do <00:26:02.030>in <00:26:02.205>times <00:26:02.379>like <00:26:02.555>this?

492
00:26:04.065 --> 00:26:07.275
<00:26:04.065>What, <00:26:04.345>what's <00:26:04.625>necessary <00:26:04.905>to <00:26:05.185>be <00:26:05.465>able

493
00:26:07.335 --> 00:26:10.635
<00:26:07.335>to <00:26:07.490>attract <00:26:07.646>good <00:26:07.801>talent <00:26:07.957>now <00:26:08.112>and <00:26:08.268>in <00:26:08.423>the <00:26:08.579>upcoming <00:26:08.735>future?

494
00:26:10.995 --> 00:26:12.155
<00:26:10.995>Probably <00:26:11.255>after <00:26:11.516>the <00:26:11.778>crisis? <00:26:12.039>Yeah.

495
00:26:15.105 --> 00:26:19.765
<00:26:15.105>You, <00:26:15.305>you <00:26:15.505>mentioned <00:26:15.705>a <00:26:15.905>very <00:26:16.105>far <00:26:16.305>strong <00:26:16.505>sentiment,

496
00:26:19.945 --> 00:26:22.365
<00:26:19.945>uh, <00:26:20.178>basically <00:26:20.411>that <00:26:20.645>people <00:26:20.878>are <00:26:21.111>leaning <00:26:21.345>back

497
00:26:22.365 --> 00:26:25.565
<00:26:22.365>and <00:26:22.565>waiting, <00:26:22.765>um, <00:26:22.965>for, <00:26:23.165>for <00:26:23.365>things <00:26:23.565>to <00:26:23.765>change.

498
00:26:27.285 --> 00:26:30.885
<00:26:27.285>I <00:26:27.412>had <00:26:27.539>a, <00:26:27.666>once, <00:26:27.794>I <00:26:27.921>had <00:26:28.048>a <00:26:28.175>very <00:26:28.303>heated <00:26:28.430>discussion <00:26:28.557>with, <00:26:28.685>uh,

499
00:26:30.885 --> 00:26:34.365
<00:26:30.885>the <00:26:31.040>CEO <00:26:31.196>of, <00:26:31.351>of <00:26:31.507>one <00:26:31.662>of <00:26:31.818>my <00:26:31.973>previous, <00:26:32.129>uh, <00:26:32.285>companies,

500
00:26:34.665 --> 00:26:39.325
<00:26:34.665>and <00:26:34.820>he <00:26:34.976>told <00:26:35.131>me, <00:26:35.287>Christian, <00:26:35.442>stand <00:26:35.598>still <00:26:35.753>will <00:26:35.909>kill <00:26:36.065>us

501
00:26:40.065 --> 00:26:42.165
<00:26:40.065>if <00:26:40.298>we <00:26:40.531>wait <00:26:40.765>for <00:26:40.998>things <00:26:41.231>to <00:26:41.465>happen.

502
00:26:42.745 --> 00:26:45.285
<00:26:42.745>Um, <00:26:42.945>we <00:26:43.145>will <00:26:43.344>not <00:26:43.544>be <00:26:43.745>there <00:26:43.945>in, <00:26:44.145>in,

503
00:26:45.345 --> 00:26:47.005
<00:26:45.345>in <00:26:45.545>a <00:26:45.745>month, <00:26:45.945>in <00:26:46.145>a <00:26:46.345>few <00:26:46.545>years <00:26:46.745>time.

504
00:26:47.005 --> 00:26:50.925
<00:26:47.005>Right? <00:26:47.132>Um, <00:26:47.259>and, <00:26:47.386>and <00:26:47.514>that <00:26:47.641>is <00:26:47.768>something <00:26:47.895>I <00:26:48.023>I <00:26:48.150>see <00:26:48.277>a <00:26:48.405>lot.

505
00:26:51.645 --> 00:26:55.345
<00:26:51.645>Um <00:26:51.761>mm-hmm. <00:26:51.878>Even <00:26:51.995>if <00:26:52.111>we <00:26:52.228>are <00:26:52.345>not <00:26:52.461>hiring <00:26:52.578>right <00:26:52.695>now <00:26:52.811>so <00:26:52.928>much, <00:26:53.045>um,

506
00:26:55.645 --> 00:26:59.105
<00:26:55.645>or <00:26:55.878>if, <00:26:56.111>um, <00:26:56.345>yeah, <00:26:56.578>there's <00:26:56.811>a <00:26:57.045>bit

507
00:26:59.105 --> 00:27:02.225
<00:26:59.105>of <00:26:59.260>an <00:26:59.416>insecurity <00:26:59.571>in, <00:26:59.727>in <00:26:59.882>the <00:27:00.038>market <00:27:00.193>in <00:27:00.349>general, <00:27:00.505>and,

508
00:27:02.225 --> 00:27:03.425
<00:27:02.225>and <00:27:02.440>that's <00:27:02.657>the <00:27:02.873>case <00:27:03.089>right <00:27:03.304>now,

509
00:27:03.765 --> 00:27:07.355
<00:27:03.765>and <00:27:04.045>that's <00:27:04.325>actually <00:27:04.605>the <00:27:04.885>best <00:27:05.165>time

510
00:27:07.935 --> 00:27:12.395
<00:27:07.935>to <00:27:08.075>look <00:27:08.215>into <00:27:08.355>your <00:27:08.495>processes, <00:27:08.635>to <00:27:08.774>see <00:27:08.915>what <00:27:09.054>we <00:27:09.195>are <00:27:09.335>doing,

511
00:27:12.735 --> 00:27:17.595
<00:27:12.735>um, <00:27:12.890>to <00:27:13.046>improve <00:27:13.201>stuff, <00:27:13.357>to, <00:27:13.512>um, <00:27:13.668>maybe <00:27:13.823>revamp <00:27:13.979>your, <00:27:14.135>your,

512
00:27:17.855 --> 00:27:21.275
<00:27:17.855>uh, <00:27:18.135>EVP, <00:27:18.415>your <00:27:18.695>employer <00:27:18.975>value <00:27:19.255>proposition

513
00:27:21.275 --> 00:27:24.515
<00:27:21.275>because <00:27:21.415>now <00:27:21.555>you <00:27:21.695>have <00:27:21.835>the <00:27:21.975>time, <00:27:22.115>um, <00:27:22.255>you <00:27:22.395>can <00:27:22.535>really <00:27:22.675>create

514
00:27:25.335 --> 00:27:29.505
<00:27:25.335>an <00:27:25.685>authentic <00:27:26.035>EVP, <00:27:26.385>uh, <00:27:26.735>and,

515
00:27:29.525 --> 00:27:31.665
<00:27:29.525>and <00:27:29.758>then <00:27:29.991>you <00:27:30.225>can <00:27:30.458>base <00:27:30.691>your <00:27:30.925>employer

516
00:27:31.665 --> 00:27:32.985
<00:27:31.665>branding <00:27:32.061>efforts <00:27:32.456>on <00:27:32.852>that.

517
00:27:33.485 --> 00:27:36.465
<00:27:33.485>Um, <00:27:33.640>and <00:27:33.796>that's <00:27:33.951>what, <00:27:34.107>what <00:27:34.262>a <00:27:34.418>lot <00:27:34.573>of <00:27:34.729>companies <00:27:34.885>are,

518
00:27:36.465 --> 00:27:37.905
<00:27:36.465>are <00:27:37.112>missing <00:27:37.761>authenticity.

519
00:27:38.645 --> 00:27:42.945
<00:27:38.645>Um, <00:27:38.820>they, <00:27:38.995>they <00:27:39.170>create <00:27:39.345>huge <00:27:39.520>employer <00:27:39.695>branding, <00:27:39.870>um, <00:27:40.045>campaigns

520
00:27:42.945 --> 00:27:45.545
<00:27:42.945>with <00:27:43.225>shiny <00:27:43.504>videos, <00:27:43.784>nice <00:27:44.064>passwords, <00:27:44.345>right?

521
00:27:45.545 --> 00:27:48.305
<00:27:45.545>And <00:27:45.685>as <00:27:45.825>soon <00:27:45.965>as <00:27:46.105>you <00:27:46.245>enter <00:27:46.385>the <00:27:46.525>room <00:27:46.665>for <00:27:46.805>interview, <00:27:46.945>um,

522
00:27:48.305 --> 00:27:51.745
<00:27:48.305>you <00:27:48.480>can <00:27:48.655>tell, <00:27:48.830>well, <00:27:49.005>that <00:27:49.180>is <00:27:49.355>just <00:27:49.530>marketing <00:27:49.705>speech.

523
00:27:52.245 --> 00:27:54.065
<00:27:52.245>Um, <00:27:52.478>and <00:27:52.711>that <00:27:52.945>stuff <00:27:53.178>you <00:27:53.411>can <00:27:53.645>change,

524
00:27:54.065 --> 00:27:56.185
<00:27:54.065>and <00:27:54.220>that's <00:27:54.376>also <00:27:54.531>the <00:27:54.687>stuff <00:27:54.842>you <00:27:54.998>should <00:27:55.153>change <00:27:55.309>right <00:27:55.465>now.

525
00:27:56.205 --> 00:28:01.145
<00:27:56.205>Mm-hmm. <00:27:56.405>Um, <00:27:56.605>do <00:27:56.804>all <00:27:57.004>the <00:27:57.205>groundwork, <00:27:57.405>um, <00:27:57.605>create

526
00:28:01.685 --> 00:28:03.105
<00:28:01.685>proper <00:28:02.324>recruiting <00:28:02.963>process,

527
00:28:03.405 --> 00:28:07.625
<00:28:03.405>create <00:28:03.638>proper <00:28:03.871>people <00:28:04.105>processes <00:28:04.338>from, <00:28:04.571>uh, <00:28:04.805>recruiting

528
00:28:07.625 --> 00:28:11.385
<00:28:07.625>to <00:28:07.825>offboarding, <00:28:08.025>have <00:28:08.225>a, <00:28:08.425>a <00:28:08.625>very <00:28:08.825>seamless, <00:28:09.025>um,

529
00:28:11.705 --> 00:28:14.385
<00:28:11.705>employee <00:28:11.845>life <00:28:11.985>cycle <00:28:12.125>in <00:28:12.264>place <00:28:12.405>with <00:28:12.544>all <00:28:12.685>the <00:28:12.824>aspects <00:28:12.965>you <00:28:13.105>need

530
00:28:14.605 --> 00:28:17.785
<00:28:14.605>and <00:28:14.780>you <00:28:14.955>can <00:28:15.130>use, <00:28:15.305>and <00:28:15.480>you <00:28:15.655>have <00:28:15.830>to <00:28:16.005>use

531
00:28:18.925 --> 00:28:22.985
<00:28:18.925>and <00:28:19.080>leverage <00:28:19.236>technology <00:28:19.391>in <00:28:19.547>ai, <00:28:19.702>um, <00:28:19.858>to <00:28:20.013>make <00:28:20.169>it <00:28:20.325>faster,

532
00:28:23.205 --> 00:28:24.585
<00:28:23.205>to <00:28:23.515>also <00:28:23.826>make <00:28:24.136>it <00:28:24.447>stable.

533
00:28:25.165 --> 00:28:27.265
<00:28:25.165>Um, <00:28:25.398>and <00:28:25.631>if <00:28:25.865>you <00:28:26.098>do <00:28:26.331>that, <00:28:26.565>um,

534
00:28:28.285 --> 00:28:33.265
<00:28:28.285>you <00:28:28.440>have <00:28:28.596>a <00:28:28.751>very <00:28:28.907>strong <00:28:29.062>competitive <00:28:29.218>advantage <00:28:29.373>over <00:28:29.529>all <00:28:29.685>other

535
00:28:33.665 --> 00:28:36.985
<00:28:33.665>companies <00:28:33.840>as <00:28:34.014>soon <00:28:34.190>as <00:28:34.365>the <00:28:34.540>market <00:28:34.715>picks <00:28:34.889>up <00:28:35.065>again,

536
00:28:37.325 --> 00:28:40.745
<00:28:37.325>and, <00:28:37.480>well, <00:28:37.636>we <00:28:37.791>are <00:28:37.947>old, <00:28:38.102>sorry <00:28:38.258>to <00:28:38.413>say <00:28:38.569>that, <00:28:38.725>Rudy,

537
00:28:40.805 --> 00:28:42.745
<00:28:40.805>we <00:28:41.085>have <00:28:41.365>seen <00:28:41.645>several <00:28:41.925>crisis <00:28:42.205>already.

538
00:28:43.285 --> 00:28:48.135
<00:28:43.285>Um, <00:28:43.460>and <00:28:43.635>the <00:28:43.810>market <00:28:43.985>will <00:28:44.160>pick <00:28:44.335>up <00:28:44.510>sometimes <00:28:44.685>much

539
00:28:48.235 --> 00:28:49.495
<00:28:48.235>sooner <00:28:48.612>than <00:28:48.991>you <00:28:49.369>expect,

540
00:28:49.555 --> 00:28:52.295
<00:28:49.555>and <00:28:49.730>for <00:28:49.905>whatever <00:28:50.080>reasons <00:28:50.255>you <00:28:50.430>don't <00:28:50.605>see <00:28:50.780>it <00:28:50.955>coming.

541
00:28:52.875 --> 00:28:56.895
<00:28:52.875>And <00:28:53.002>if <00:28:53.129>you <00:28:53.256>start <00:28:53.384>improving <00:28:53.511>as <00:28:53.638>soon <00:28:53.765>as <00:28:53.893>the <00:28:54.020>market <00:28:54.147>picks <00:28:54.275>up,

542
00:28:57.685 --> 00:28:58.825
<00:28:57.685>you <00:28:58.027>have <00:28:58.369>already <00:28:58.711>lost.

543
00:28:59.255 --> 00:29:02.585
<00:28:59.255>Yeah. <00:28:59.430>Uh, <00:28:59.605>because <00:28:59.780>you <00:28:59.955>run <00:29:00.130>full <00:29:00.305>throttle <00:29:00.480>on <00:29:00.655>everything.

544
00:29:03.185 --> 00:29:07.185
<00:29:03.185>I <00:29:03.312>mean, <00:29:03.439>you <00:29:03.566>don't <00:29:03.694>have <00:29:03.821>time <00:29:03.948>to <00:29:04.075>improve, <00:29:04.203>so <00:29:04.330>you <00:29:04.457>use <00:29:04.585>processes

545
00:29:07.185 --> 00:29:09.505
<00:29:07.185>that <00:29:07.360>are <00:29:07.534>five <00:29:07.710>years <00:29:07.885>old, <00:29:08.060>uh, <00:29:08.235>in <00:29:08.409>the <00:29:08.585>market

546
00:29:10.205 --> 00:29:11.505
<00:29:10.205>and <00:29:10.595>that <00:29:10.985>completely <00:29:11.375>changed.

547
00:29:12.095 --> 00:29:16.105
<00:29:12.095>Yeah. <00:29:12.250>And <00:29:12.406>that's <00:29:12.561>something, <00:29:12.717>um, <00:29:12.872>people <00:29:13.028>should <00:29:13.183>do, <00:29:13.339>uh, <00:29:13.495>and,

548
00:29:16.205 --> 00:29:17.905
<00:29:16.205>and <00:29:16.554>really <00:29:16.905>should <00:29:17.254>look <00:29:17.605>into

549
00:29:18.245 --> 00:29:22.705
<00:29:18.245>and <00:29:18.478>for <00:29:18.711>the <00:29:18.945>ongoing <00:29:19.178>yeah, <00:29:19.411>recruiting, <00:29:19.645>just

550
00:29:24.135 --> 00:29:26.265
<00:29:24.135>keep <00:29:24.335>improving <00:29:24.535>on <00:29:24.735>the <00:29:24.935>stuff <00:29:25.135>you're <00:29:25.335>doing <00:29:25.535>and,

551
00:29:26.325 --> 00:29:29.425
<00:29:26.325>and, <00:29:26.605>um, <00:29:26.885>yeah, <00:29:27.165>try <00:29:27.445>to <00:29:27.725>be,

552
00:29:31.395 --> 00:29:34.225
<00:29:31.395>let's <00:29:31.570>call <00:29:31.745>it <00:29:31.920>state <00:29:32.095>of <00:29:32.270>the <00:29:32.445>art <00:29:32.620>and, <00:29:32.795>and,

553
00:29:34.225 --> 00:29:37.305
<00:29:34.225>and <00:29:34.380>also <00:29:34.536>leverage <00:29:34.691>the <00:29:34.847>feedback <00:29:35.002>you <00:29:35.158>get <00:29:35.313>from <00:29:35.469>the <00:29:35.625>market

554
00:29:37.925 --> 00:29:41.365
<00:29:37.925>and <00:29:38.100>incorporate <00:29:38.274>everything <00:29:38.450>you <00:29:38.625>hear <00:29:38.800>into <00:29:38.975>your <00:29:39.149>daily <00:29:39.325>doings.

555
00:29:41.945 --> 00:29:45.925
<00:29:41.945>Um, <00:29:42.225>but <00:29:42.504>standstill <00:29:42.784>will <00:29:43.064>is, <00:29:43.345>is

556
00:29:46.505 --> 00:29:47.725
<00:29:46.505>not <00:29:46.779>a <00:29:47.054>very <00:29:47.328>good <00:29:47.602>solution.

557
00:29:48.265 --> 00:29:51.365
<00:29:48.265>Mm-hmm. <00:29:48.615>Uh, <00:29:48.965>a <00:29:49.315>a <00:29:49.665>question,

558
00:29:51.365 --> 00:29:52.925
<00:29:51.365>which <00:29:51.645>sounds <00:29:51.925>probably <00:29:52.205>a <00:29:52.485>little <00:29:52.765>bit,

559
00:29:53.405 --> 00:29:54.605
<00:29:53.405>a <00:29:53.764>little <00:29:54.125>bit <00:29:54.485>philosophical,

560
00:29:54.745 --> 00:29:59.085
<00:29:54.745>but <00:29:54.872>uh, <00:29:54.999>are <00:29:55.126>we, <00:29:55.254>do <00:29:55.381>you <00:29:55.508>think <00:29:55.635>that <00:29:55.763>we, <00:29:55.890>especially <00:29:56.017>in <00:29:56.145>Europe

561
00:29:59.225 --> 00:30:00.325
<00:29:59.225>or <00:29:59.720>Germany, <00:30:00.215>Austria,

562
00:30:00.765 --> 00:30:02.925
<00:30:00.765>'cause <00:30:00.940>I <00:30:01.115>see <00:30:01.290>it <00:30:01.465>especially <00:30:01.640>in <00:30:01.815>these <00:30:01.990>two <00:30:02.165>markets,

563
00:30:03.945 --> 00:30:06.325
<00:30:03.945>are <00:30:04.178>we <00:30:04.411>curious <00:30:04.645>enough <00:30:04.878>for <00:30:05.111>the <00:30:05.345>future

564
00:30:07.185 --> 00:30:09.085
<00:30:07.185>or <00:30:07.465>are <00:30:07.745>we <00:30:08.024>already <00:30:08.304>too <00:30:08.585>saturated?

565
00:30:13.315 --> 00:30:14.855
<00:30:13.315>Yes <00:30:13.777>and <00:30:14.239>no. <00:30:14.701>Um,

566
00:30:18.115 --> 00:30:19.415
<00:30:18.115>At <00:30:18.407>least <00:30:18.700>in <00:30:18.992>Germany, <00:30:19.284>that's,

567
00:30:19.415 --> 00:30:21.575
<00:30:19.415>that's <00:30:19.615>the <00:30:19.815>market <00:30:20.014>I <00:30:20.215>can <00:30:20.415>speak <00:30:20.615>more <00:30:20.815>about.

568
00:30:21.795 --> 00:30:24.095
<00:30:21.795>We <00:30:22.028>are <00:30:22.261>afraid <00:30:22.495>of <00:30:22.728>what's <00:30:22.961>coming, <00:30:23.195>uh,

569
00:30:24.095 --> 00:30:27.975
<00:30:24.095>because <00:30:24.295>sometimes <00:30:24.495>I <00:30:24.695>still <00:30:24.895>have <00:30:25.095>the <00:30:25.295>impression, <00:30:25.495>um,

570
00:30:28.075 --> 00:30:29.975
<00:30:28.075>we <00:30:28.355>are <00:30:28.635>afraid <00:30:28.915>of <00:30:29.195>change, <00:30:29.475>um,

571
00:30:30.085 --> 00:30:34.125
<00:30:30.085>because <00:30:30.551>change <00:30:31.018>means <00:30:31.485>that,

572
00:30:34.125 --> 00:30:37.725
<00:30:34.125>that <00:30:34.300>our <00:30:34.475>usual <00:30:34.650>way <00:30:34.825>of <00:30:35.000>working <00:30:35.175>are <00:30:35.350>maybe <00:30:35.525>questioned

573
00:30:37.785 --> 00:30:39.885
<00:30:37.785>or <00:30:37.985>obsolete <00:30:38.185>and, <00:30:38.385>and <00:30:38.585>we <00:30:38.785>have <00:30:38.985>to <00:30:39.185>adapt.

574
00:30:40.545 --> 00:30:45.535
<00:30:40.545>Um, <00:30:40.700>and <00:30:40.856>on <00:30:41.011>the <00:30:41.167>other <00:30:41.322>hand, <00:30:41.478>we <00:30:41.633>are <00:30:41.789>also <00:30:41.945>blindly,

575
00:30:45.995 --> 00:30:49.285
<00:30:45.995>um, <00:30:46.228>accepting <00:30:46.461>things <00:30:46.695>that <00:30:46.928>we <00:30:47.161>don't <00:30:47.395>understand.

576
00:30:49.545 --> 00:30:52.045
<00:30:49.545>And <00:30:49.720>AI <00:30:49.895>is <00:30:50.070>a <00:30:50.245>very <00:30:50.420>good <00:30:50.595>example <00:30:50.770>for <00:30:50.945>that.

577
00:30:52.385 --> 00:30:56.445
<00:30:52.385>We <00:30:52.525>don't <00:30:52.665>understand <00:30:52.805>properly <00:30:52.945>what <00:30:53.085>it <00:30:53.225>does, <00:30:53.365>how <00:30:53.504>it <00:30:53.645>works, <00:30:53.785>um,

578
00:30:56.445 --> 00:30:58.765
<00:30:56.445>but <00:30:56.620>we <00:30:56.794>still <00:30:56.970>think <00:30:57.145>that <00:30:57.320>it <00:30:57.495>will <00:30:57.669>save <00:30:57.845>us.

579
00:30:59.145 --> 00:31:03.845
<00:30:59.145>Um, <00:30:59.272>so <00:30:59.399>it, <00:30:59.526>it's <00:30:59.654>a <00:30:59.781>bit <00:30:59.908>of <00:31:00.035>a <00:31:00.163>paradox, <00:31:00.290>uh, <00:31:00.417>at <00:31:00.545>least

580
00:31:03.865 --> 00:31:08.375
<00:31:03.865>for <00:31:04.020>me, <00:31:04.176>that <00:31:04.331>we <00:31:04.487>accept <00:31:04.642>things <00:31:04.798>very, <00:31:04.953>very <00:31:05.109>futuristic <00:31:05.265>things

581
00:31:08.375 --> 00:31:10.695
<00:31:08.375>and <00:31:08.515>on <00:31:08.655>the <00:31:08.795>other <00:31:08.935>hand, <00:31:09.075>we <00:31:09.215>actually <00:31:09.355>don't <00:31:09.495>want <00:31:09.635>to <00:31:09.775>change

582
00:31:10.795 --> 00:31:12.975
<00:31:10.795>and <00:31:11.028>we <00:31:11.261>are <00:31:11.495>afraid <00:31:11.728>of, <00:31:11.961>of <00:31:12.195>changes

583
00:31:13.085 --> 00:31:14.175
<00:31:13.085>that <00:31:13.281>might <00:31:13.477>come <00:31:13.673>in <00:31:13.869>the <00:31:14.066>future.

584
00:31:14.355 --> 00:31:18.135
<00:31:14.355>So <00:31:14.555>yeah, <00:31:14.755>it's <00:31:14.955>weird, <00:31:15.155>I <00:31:15.355>have <00:31:15.555>to <00:31:15.755>say.

585
00:31:20.365 --> 00:31:23.575
<00:31:20.365>Christian, <00:31:20.505>as <00:31:20.645>we're <00:31:20.785>coming <00:31:20.925>to <00:31:21.065>the <00:31:21.205>end <00:31:21.345>of <00:31:21.485>this <00:31:21.625>episode, <00:31:21.765>um,

586
00:31:23.955 --> 00:31:27.615
<00:31:23.955>my <00:31:24.155>final <00:31:24.355>question, <00:31:24.554>last <00:31:24.754>one, <00:31:24.955>uh, <00:31:25.155>if <00:31:25.355>AAD

587
00:31:27.645 --> 00:31:29.855
<00:31:27.645>with <00:31:27.845>his <00:31:28.045>wonderland <00:31:28.245>would <00:31:28.445>show <00:31:28.645>up <00:31:28.845>at <00:31:29.045>you

588
00:31:29.875 --> 00:31:32.855
<00:31:29.875>and <00:31:30.002>say, <00:31:30.129>Christian, <00:31:30.256>I <00:31:30.384>found <00:31:30.511>you <00:31:30.638>now, <00:31:30.765>I <00:31:30.893>was <00:31:31.020>looking <00:31:31.147>for <00:31:31.275>you

589
00:31:32.885 --> 00:31:37.415
<00:31:32.885>because <00:31:33.060>you <00:31:33.235>as, <00:31:33.410>uh, <00:31:33.585>working <00:31:33.760>in <00:31:33.935>in <00:31:34.110>historical <00:31:34.285>places,

590
00:31:38.315 --> 00:31:41.175
<00:31:38.315>uh, <00:31:38.470>looking <00:31:38.626>into <00:31:38.781>history <00:31:38.937>4,000 <00:31:39.092>years, <00:31:39.248>you <00:31:39.403>didn't <00:31:39.559>find <00:31:39.715>him,

591
00:31:41.195 --> 00:31:42.335
<00:31:41.195>but <00:31:41.451>he <00:31:41.708>found <00:31:41.964>you <00:31:42.221>now

592
00:31:43.275 --> 00:31:44.895
<00:31:43.275>and <00:31:43.741>he's <00:31:44.208>asking <00:31:44.675>you

593
00:31:45.125 --> 00:31:48.535
<00:31:45.125>what <00:31:45.325>would <00:31:45.525>be <00:31:45.725>your <00:31:45.925>one <00:31:46.125>wish <00:31:46.325>for <00:31:46.525>hr?

594
00:31:48.725 --> 00:31:49.725
<00:31:48.725>What <00:31:49.024>would <00:31:49.324>it <00:31:49.625>be?

595
00:31:58.145 --> 00:32:03.085
<00:31:58.145>That <00:31:58.495>we <00:31:58.845>are <00:31:59.195>bolder <00:31:59.545>in

596
00:32:04.155 --> 00:32:06.835
<00:32:04.155>changing <00:32:04.388>that <00:32:04.621>we <00:32:04.855>just <00:32:05.088>start <00:32:05.321>doing <00:32:05.555>things?

597
00:32:06.835 --> 00:32:10.115
<00:32:06.835>That <00:32:07.010>would <00:32:07.185>be <00:32:07.360>my <00:32:07.535>biggest, <00:32:07.710>which <00:32:07.885>not <00:32:08.060>making <00:32:08.235>plans

598
00:32:10.455 --> 00:32:12.035
<00:32:10.455>and <00:32:11.155>strategies <00:32:11.855>and,

599
00:32:12.095 --> 00:32:17.075
<00:32:12.095>and <00:32:12.270>whatever <00:32:12.445>foolproof <00:32:12.620>agenda <00:32:12.795>for <00:32:12.970>things <00:32:13.145>to, <00:32:13.320>to <00:32:13.495>happen

600
00:32:17.195 --> 00:32:18.595
<00:32:17.195>that <00:32:17.405>we <00:32:17.615>might <00:32:17.825>do <00:32:18.035>in <00:32:18.245>the <00:32:18.455>future,

601
00:32:19.095 --> 00:32:22.795
<00:32:19.095>but <00:32:19.235>just <00:32:19.375>take <00:32:19.515>the <00:32:19.655>bloody <00:32:19.795>first <00:32:19.935>step <00:32:20.075>and <00:32:20.215>start <00:32:20.355>doing <00:32:20.495>it.

602
00:32:22.795 --> 00:32:26.595
<00:32:22.795>Because <00:32:22.922>if <00:32:23.049>we <00:32:23.176>don't, <00:32:23.304>we <00:32:23.431>will <00:32:23.558>think <00:32:23.685>about <00:32:23.813>it <00:32:23.940>in <00:32:24.067>six <00:32:24.195>months

603
00:32:26.605 --> 00:32:28.835
<00:32:26.605>again <00:32:26.838>and <00:32:27.071>we <00:32:27.305>still <00:32:27.538>are <00:32:27.771>too <00:32:28.005>afraid

604
00:32:28.835 --> 00:32:31.335
<00:32:28.835>to <00:32:29.115>start <00:32:29.395>just <00:32:29.675>get <00:32:29.955>it <00:32:30.235>going.

605
00:32:31.365 --> 00:32:32.575
<00:32:31.365>That <00:32:31.582>would <00:32:31.800>be <00:32:32.018>my <00:32:32.236>biggest <00:32:32.454>wish.

606
00:32:33.745 --> 00:32:35.055
<00:32:33.745>Thank <00:32:33.941>you <00:32:34.138>very <00:32:34.334>much <00:32:34.531>for <00:32:34.727>that <00:32:34.924>one.

607
00:32:35.095 --> 00:32:36.495
<00:32:35.095>I <00:32:35.305>think <00:32:35.514>that's <00:32:35.725>a <00:32:35.935>really <00:32:36.145>nice <00:32:36.355>one

608
00:32:36.635 --> 00:32:39.685
<00:32:36.635>and <00:32:36.790>um, <00:32:36.946>I'm <00:32:37.101>100% <00:32:37.257>sure <00:32:37.412>that <00:32:37.568>Aine <00:32:37.723>is <00:32:37.879>now <00:32:38.035>going

609
00:32:39.685 --> 00:32:40.685
<00:32:39.685>to <00:32:39.985>make <00:32:40.284>it <00:32:40.585>real.

610
00:32:41.505 --> 00:32:44.005
<00:32:41.505>Uh, <00:32:41.660>thank <00:32:41.816>you <00:32:41.971>so <00:32:42.127>much <00:32:42.282>Christian, <00:32:42.438>for <00:32:42.593>taking <00:32:42.749>your <00:32:42.905>time.

611
00:32:46.045 --> 00:32:47.205
<00:32:46.045>I <00:32:46.306>really <00:32:46.567>enjoyed <00:32:46.828>the <00:32:47.089>talk,

612
00:32:47.265 --> 00:32:49.845
<00:32:47.265>so <00:32:47.392>I <00:32:47.519>hope <00:32:47.646>the <00:32:47.774>audience <00:32:47.901>out <00:32:48.028>there <00:32:48.155>is <00:32:48.283>enjoying <00:32:48.410>it <00:32:48.537>as <00:32:48.665>much

613
00:32:49.845 --> 00:32:52.605
<00:32:49.845>as <00:32:50.020>I <00:32:50.195>do, <00:32:50.370>and <00:32:50.545>I <00:32:50.720>did <00:32:50.895>during <00:32:51.070>the <00:32:51.245>recording.

614
00:32:52.665 --> 00:32:53.965
<00:32:52.665>So <00:32:52.832>thank <00:32:52.999>you <00:32:53.166>so <00:32:53.333>much <00:32:53.500>for <00:32:53.667>your <00:32:53.835>time

615
00:32:54.265 --> 00:32:56.685
<00:32:54.265>and <00:32:54.498>stay <00:32:54.731>tuned <00:32:54.965>and <00:32:55.198>see <00:32:55.431>you <00:32:55.665>soon.

616
00:32:56.995 --> 00:32:57.995
Bye-bye.

617
00:33:00.575 --> 00:33:03.565
<00:33:00.575>Thank <00:33:00.715>you, <00:33:00.855>Rudy. <00:33:00.995>It <00:33:01.135>was <00:33:01.275>a <00:33:01.415>pleasure <00:33:01.555>speaking <00:33:01.695>with <00:33:01.835>you. <00:33:01.975>Bye.

618
00:33:07.905 --> 00:33:09.975
<00:33:07.905>Thank <00:33:08.138>you <00:33:08.371>for <00:33:08.605>watching <00:33:08.838>Cappuccino <00:33:09.071>with <00:33:09.305>hr.

619
00:33:09.975 --> 00:33:11.695
<00:33:09.975>If <00:33:10.208>you <00:33:10.441>enjoy <00:33:10.675>these <00:33:10.908>kind <00:33:11.141>of <00:33:11.375>conversations,

620
00:33:11.715 --> 00:33:13.735
<00:33:11.715>please <00:33:11.915>don't <00:33:12.115>forget <00:33:12.314>to <00:33:12.514>hit <00:33:12.715>the <00:33:12.915>subscribe <00:33:13.115>button,

621
00:33:13.885 --> 00:33:16.375
<00:33:13.885>then <00:33:14.060>you <00:33:14.235>get <00:33:14.410>all <00:33:14.585>this <00:33:14.760>kind <00:33:14.935>of <00:33:15.110>upfront <00:33:15.285>information,

622
00:33:16.555 --> 00:33:17.975
<00:33:16.555>you <00:33:17.194>upcoming <00:33:17.832>episodes,

623
00:33:17.995 --> 00:33:21.415
<00:33:17.995>and <00:33:18.122>all <00:33:18.249>my <00:33:18.376>nice <00:33:18.504>guests, <00:33:18.631>Capuchino <00:33:18.758>with <00:33:18.885>HR <00:33:19.013>is <00:33:19.140>brought <00:33:19.267>to <00:33:19.395>you

624
00:33:21.415 --> 00:33:23.895
<00:33:21.415>by <00:33:21.615>we <00:33:21.815>are <00:33:22.014>developers, <00:33:22.215>Europe's <00:33:22.415>number <00:33:22.615>one <00:33:22.815>developer

625
00:33:23.895 --> 00:33:27.335
<00:33:23.895>community, <00:33:24.095>and <00:33:24.295>the <00:33:24.495>leading <00:33:24.695>platform <00:33:24.895>for <00:33:25.095>connecting <00:33:25.295>HR

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