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387
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388
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390
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391
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394
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<00:15:51.815>actually <00:15:52.067>seeing <00:15:52.319>this <00:15:52.571>for <00:15:52.823>themselves.

395
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396
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<00:15:54.855>of <00:15:55.055>the <00:15:55.255>content <00:15:55.455>you're <00:15:55.655>reading <00:15:55.855>is <00:15:56.055>AI <00:15:56.255>generated.

397
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398
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<00:15:59.535>I <00:15:59.709>assume <00:15:59.885>they're <00:16:00.060>humans, <00:16:00.235>could <00:16:00.410>have <00:16:00.584>been <00:16:00.760>bots <00:16:00.935>saying,

399
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<00:16:01.965>hang <00:16:02.198>on, <00:16:02.431>are <00:16:02.665>we <00:16:02.898>surrounded <00:16:03.131>by <00:16:03.365>bots?

400
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<00:16:04.195>Um, <00:16:04.428>are <00:16:04.661>there <00:16:04.895>actually <00:16:05.128>any <00:16:05.361>humans <00:16:05.595>here?

401
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402
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<00:16:09.205>bots <00:16:09.405>saying, <00:16:09.605>no, <00:16:09.805>no, <00:16:10.005>no, <00:16:10.205>we're <00:16:10.405>all <00:16:10.605>human.

403
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404
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405
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<00:16:14.855>Fascinating <00:16:15.080>Oh <00:16:15.305>Wow, <00:16:15.530>that's, <00:16:15.755>Yeah.

406
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<00:16:15.855>And <00:16:16.746>it's

407
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408
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<00:16:20.565>Yeah. <00:16:21.965>Yeah.

409
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<00:16:22.715>But <00:16:22.855>what, <00:16:22.995>what <00:16:23.135>I <00:16:23.275>found <00:16:23.415>interesting <00:16:23.555>in, <00:16:23.695>in <00:16:23.835>that <00:16:23.975>article <00:16:24.115>was

410
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<00:16:26.165>that <00:16:26.339>they <00:16:26.515>said, <00:16:26.689>we <00:16:26.865>have <00:16:27.040>more <00:16:27.214>AI <00:16:27.390>written <00:16:27.564>articles,

411
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<00:16:29.955>but <00:16:30.071>then <00:16:30.188>in <00:16:30.305>the <00:16:30.421>end, <00:16:30.538>I <00:16:30.655>mean, <00:16:30.771>the <00:16:30.888>quality <00:16:31.005>of <00:16:31.121>the <00:16:31.238>articles <00:16:31.355>is,

412
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<00:16:33.115>is <00:16:33.270>good, <00:16:33.426>but <00:16:33.581>they <00:16:33.737>don't <00:16:33.892>perform <00:16:34.048>as <00:16:34.203>well <00:16:34.359>with, <00:16:34.515>um,

413
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<00:16:36.795>search <00:16:36.969>engine <00:16:37.145>optimization <00:16:37.319>and <00:16:37.495>coming <00:16:37.670>up <00:16:37.844>in <00:16:38.020>search <00:16:38.194>results.

414
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<00:16:40.595>Um, <00:16:40.770>and <00:16:40.945>so <00:16:41.120>I <00:16:41.295>think <00:16:41.470>that's <00:16:41.645>also <00:16:41.820>very <00:16:41.995>interesting

415
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<00:16:42.655>because <00:16:42.795>I <00:16:42.935>feel <00:16:43.074>like, <00:16:43.214>uh, <00:16:43.355>a <00:16:43.495>lot <00:16:43.635>of <00:16:43.775>people <00:16:43.915>use <00:16:44.055>AI

416
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<00:16:45.635>to <00:16:45.775>write <00:16:45.915>the <00:16:46.055>articles <00:16:46.194>to <00:16:46.335>push <00:16:46.475>their, <00:16:46.615>um, <00:16:46.755>search <00:16:46.895>engine, <00:16:47.035>um,

417
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<00:16:49.535>optimization <00:16:50.579>goals.

418
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<00:16:51.115>But <00:16:51.315>now, <00:16:51.515>um, <00:16:51.715>I <00:16:51.915>don't <00:16:52.115>know, <00:16:52.315>it's <00:16:52.515>not

419
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<00:16:53.805>what <00:16:54.050>they're <00:16:54.295>getting <00:16:54.540>with <00:16:54.786>it,

420
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<00:16:56.375>Which <00:16:56.675>is <00:16:56.975>good. <00:16:57.275>I

421
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<00:16:57.375>think <00:16:57.655>the, <00:16:57.935>the, <00:16:58.215>the <00:16:58.495>SDO <00:16:58.775>optimization,

422
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<00:16:59.995>automated <00:17:00.122>SEO <00:17:00.249>has <00:17:00.376>always <00:17:00.504>been <00:17:00.631>a, <00:17:00.758>a <00:17:00.885>bit <00:17:01.013>of <00:17:01.140>a <00:17:01.267>worry, <00:17:01.395>like,

423
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<00:17:03.965>you <00:17:04.298>know, <00:17:04.631>your <00:17:04.964>keyboard <00:17:05.297>stuffing

424
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<00:17:05.444>before <00:17:05.585>that <00:17:05.724>in <00:17:05.865>description <00:17:06.004>fields <00:17:06.145>in <00:17:06.284>the <00:17:06.425>HTMR <00:17:06.564>back <00:17:06.704>in <00:17:06.845>the

425
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<00:17:08.525>old <00:17:08.652>days <00:17:08.779>and <00:17:08.906>like, <00:17:09.034>uh, <00:17:09.161>hidden <00:17:09.288>text <00:17:09.415>and <00:17:09.543>these <00:17:09.670>kind <00:17:09.797>of <00:17:09.925>things.

426
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427
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<00:17:15.355>what <00:17:15.482>they <00:17:15.609>want, <00:17:15.736>uh, <00:17:15.864>uh, <00:17:15.991>in <00:17:16.118>a, <00:17:16.245>in <00:17:16.373>a <00:17:16.500>fashion <00:17:16.627>that <00:17:16.755>seems

428
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<00:17:18.605>to <00:17:18.780>have <00:17:18.954>been <00:17:19.130>successful <00:17:19.305>before <00:17:19.480>is <00:17:19.655>tiring <00:17:19.829>people <00:17:20.005>out.

429
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<00:17:22.305>So, <00:17:22.585>uh, <00:17:22.865>and <00:17:23.145>I <00:17:23.425>mean, <00:17:23.705>in,

430
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<00:17:23.984>in <00:17:24.185>LinkedIn <00:17:24.385>I <00:17:24.584>commented <00:17:24.784>on <00:17:24.984>your <00:17:25.185>thing, <00:17:25.385>like,

431
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<00:17:26.345>nobody <00:17:26.485>stops <00:17:26.625>you <00:17:26.765>from <00:17:26.905>publishing <00:17:27.045>on <00:17:27.185>the <00:17:27.325>web, <00:17:27.464>and <00:17:27.605>please <00:17:27.745>do

432
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<00:17:30.265>and <00:17:30.405>use <00:17:30.545>your <00:17:30.685>own <00:17:30.825>voice, <00:17:30.965>even <00:17:31.105>if <00:17:31.245>your <00:17:31.385>English <00:17:31.525>is <00:17:31.665>crap,

433
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<00:17:33.665>use <00:17:33.805>scrap <00:17:33.945>English <00:17:34.085>rather <00:17:34.225>than <00:17:34.365>just <00:17:34.504>letting <00:17:34.645>chat <00:17:34.784>GPT <00:17:34.925>make <00:17:35.065>you

434
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<00:17:37.405>sound <00:17:37.580>like <00:17:37.754>a <00:17:37.930>a <00:17:38.105>a <00:17:38.280>second <00:17:38.455>car <00:17:38.629>salesman, <00:17:38.805>1985.

435
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436
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<00:17:43.945>to <00:17:44.178>keep <00:17:44.411>your <00:17:44.645>own <00:17:44.878>voice <00:17:45.111>out <00:17:45.345>there.

437
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<00:17:45.785>And <00:17:45.940>I <00:17:46.096>think <00:17:46.251>with <00:17:46.407>the <00:17:46.562>Reddit <00:17:46.718>bit, <00:17:46.873>it's <00:17:47.029>really <00:17:47.185>interesting

438
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439
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<00:17:50.805>and <00:17:50.945>now <00:17:51.085>the <00:17:51.225>AI <00:17:51.365>bots <00:17:51.505>feed <00:17:51.645>on <00:17:51.785>their <00:17:51.925>own <00:17:52.065>form <00:17:52.205>content.

440
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441
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<00:17:55.395>bots <00:17:55.634>on <00:17:55.873>bots <00:17:56.113>thing <00:17:56.352>going <00:17:56.591>on.

442
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<00:17:57.755>Yeah, <00:17:57.895>that's <00:17:58.035>good <00:17:58.175>point. <00:17:58.315>I <00:17:58.455>mean, <00:17:58.595>I <00:17:58.735>use <00:17:58.875>a <00:17:59.015>VPN <00:17:59.155>and,

443
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<00:17:59.545>and <00:17:59.685>Reddit <00:17:59.825>has, <00:17:59.965>has <00:18:00.105>me <00:18:00.245>blocked <00:18:00.385>every <00:18:00.525>single <00:18:00.665>time <00:18:00.805>I <00:18:00.945>use,

444
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445
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446
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<00:18:04.685>to <00:18:04.946>log <00:18:05.206>to <00:18:05.468>get <00:18:05.729>in.

447
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<00:18:06.205>'cause <00:18:06.332>as <00:18:06.459>soon <00:18:06.586>as <00:18:06.714>the <00:18:06.841>VPN <00:18:06.968>expects <00:18:07.095>it <00:18:07.223>to <00:18:07.350>be <00:18:07.477>a <00:18:07.605>bot.

448
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449
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450
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451
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<00:18:13.205>I <00:18:13.360>mean, <00:18:13.516>just <00:18:13.671>as <00:18:13.827>another <00:18:13.982>side <00:18:14.138>point, <00:18:14.293>um, <00:18:14.449>a <00:18:14.605>friend

452
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<00:18:15.165>of <00:18:15.345>mine <00:18:15.525>is <00:18:15.705>a, <00:18:15.885>a <00:18:16.065>music <00:18:16.245>producer.

453
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<00:18:16.425>He <00:18:16.580>does <00:18:16.736>music <00:18:16.891>for <00:18:17.047>like <00:18:17.202>a <00:18:17.358>publishing <00:18:17.513>company, <00:18:17.669>so <00:18:17.825>kind

454
00:18:18.805 --> 00:18:20.165
<00:18:18.805>of <00:18:19.009>Netflix <00:18:19.213>trailers <00:18:19.417>and <00:18:19.621>things <00:18:19.825>like <00:18:20.029>this.

455
00:18:20.465 --> 00:18:23.685
<00:18:20.465>And <00:18:20.620>he <00:18:20.776>said <00:18:20.931>already <00:18:21.087>their <00:18:21.242>own, <00:18:21.398>uh, <00:18:21.553>their <00:18:21.709>own, <00:18:21.865>um,

456
00:18:24.115 --> 00:18:26.045
<00:18:24.115>composers <00:18:24.465>have <00:18:24.815>started <00:18:25.165>to, <00:18:25.515>one

457
00:18:26.045 --> 00:18:27.765
<00:18:26.045>or <00:18:26.278>two <00:18:26.511>of <00:18:26.745>them <00:18:26.978>have <00:18:27.211>submitted <00:18:27.445>songs

458
00:18:27.765 --> 00:18:29.325
<00:18:27.765>that <00:18:28.045>have <00:18:28.325>actually <00:18:28.605>been <00:18:28.885>AI <00:18:29.165>generated

459
00:18:29.385 --> 00:18:31.205
<00:18:29.385>and <00:18:29.560>they're <00:18:29.735>hoping <00:18:29.910>it <00:18:30.085>could <00:18:30.260>kind <00:18:30.435>of <00:18:30.610>slip <00:18:30.785>through.

460
00:18:31.425 --> 00:18:33.005
<00:18:31.425>And <00:18:31.625>so <00:18:31.825>there's <00:18:32.024>this <00:18:32.225>strange <00:18:32.425>thing <00:18:32.625>of <00:18:32.825>like,

461
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<00:18:33.295>we're <00:18:33.470>all <00:18:33.645>quite <00:18:33.820>good <00:18:33.995>at <00:18:34.170>actually <00:18:34.345>recognizing <00:18:34.520>AI <00:18:34.695>content,

462
00:18:36.425 --> 00:18:38.645
<00:18:36.425>but <00:18:36.625>I <00:18:36.825>think <00:18:37.024>people <00:18:37.225>often <00:18:37.425>think <00:18:37.625>that <00:18:37.825>that,

463
00:18:38.645 --> 00:18:40.205
<00:18:38.645>that <00:18:38.820>you <00:18:38.995>can't <00:18:39.170>smell <00:18:39.345>it, <00:18:39.520>you <00:18:39.695>can't <00:18:39.870>see <00:18:40.045>it.

464
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<00:18:40.505>And <00:18:40.717>so <00:18:40.929>they <00:18:41.142>share <00:18:41.354>it <00:18:41.567>and,

465
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<00:18:41.685>and <00:18:41.840>everybody <00:18:41.996>reading <00:18:42.151>it <00:18:42.307>goes, <00:18:42.462>well <00:18:42.618>now <00:18:42.773>this <00:18:42.929>means <00:18:43.085>nothing

466
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<00:18:44.045>'cause <00:18:44.325>it's <00:18:44.605>not <00:18:44.885>your <00:18:45.165>voice <00:18:45.445>voice.

467
00:18:45.765 --> 00:18:47.565
<00:18:45.765>And <00:18:45.920>there's, <00:18:46.076>you <00:18:46.231>know, <00:18:46.387>it <00:18:46.542>feels <00:18:46.698>like <00:18:46.853>we're <00:18:47.009>in, <00:18:47.165>in

468
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<00:18:47.565>that <00:18:47.765>growing <00:18:47.965>pain <00:18:48.165>of <00:18:48.365>people <00:18:48.565>still <00:18:48.765>not <00:18:48.965>quite,

469
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<00:18:50.225>not <00:18:50.425>everybody <00:18:50.625>being <00:18:50.824>able <00:18:51.024>to <00:18:51.225>kind <00:18:51.425>of <00:18:51.625>see

470
00:18:52.545 --> 00:18:54.725
<00:18:52.545>and <00:18:52.700>figure <00:18:52.856>out <00:18:53.011>when <00:18:53.167>something's <00:18:53.322>AI <00:18:53.478>and <00:18:53.633>tell <00:18:53.789>the <00:18:53.945>difference,

471
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<00:18:54.825>and <00:18:55.058>that's <00:18:55.291>gonna <00:18:55.525>get <00:18:55.758>increasingly <00:18:55.991>more <00:18:56.225>difficult.

472
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<00:18:57.205>Mm-hmm. <00:18:57.671>Yeah, <00:18:58.138>that's <00:18:58.605>true.

473
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<00:19:00.355>And <00:19:00.683>it's <00:19:01.012>interesting <00:19:01.340>that <00:19:01.669>Pinterest,

474
00:19:01.815 --> 00:19:06.535
<00:19:01.815>that <00:19:01.970>it's <00:19:02.126>actually <00:19:02.281>adding, <00:19:02.437>uh, <00:19:02.592>uh, <00:19:02.748>adding <00:19:02.903>limits <00:19:03.059>the <00:19:03.215>amount

475
00:19:06.535 --> 00:19:08.095
<00:19:06.535>of <00:19:06.815>AI <00:19:07.095>slot <00:19:07.375>in <00:19:07.655>your <00:19:07.935>feed.

476
00:19:08.315 --> 00:19:10.535
<00:19:08.315>And, <00:19:08.470>uh, <00:19:08.626>I <00:19:08.781>always <00:19:08.937>wonder <00:19:09.092>how <00:19:09.248>they <00:19:09.403>would <00:19:09.559>do <00:19:09.715>that.

477
00:19:10.605 --> 00:19:12.855
<00:19:10.605>Like, <00:19:10.805>how <00:19:11.005>do <00:19:11.205>you, <00:19:11.405>how <00:19:11.605>do <00:19:11.805>you <00:19:12.005>recognize

478
00:19:12.885 --> 00:19:14.255
<00:19:12.885>what <00:19:13.296>has <00:19:13.707>been <00:19:14.118>generated

479
00:19:14.555 --> 00:19:17.135
<00:19:14.555>and <00:19:14.755>what <00:19:14.955>is <00:19:15.155>is <00:19:15.355>actually <00:19:15.555>made <00:19:15.755>by <00:19:15.955>people?

480
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<00:19:17.415>'cause <00:19:17.648>I <00:19:17.881>see <00:19:18.115>a <00:19:18.348>lot <00:19:18.581>of <00:19:18.815>stuff.

481
00:19:19.265 --> 00:19:20.705
<00:19:19.265>I <00:19:19.524>mean, <00:19:19.783>I <00:19:20.042>was <00:19:20.301>really <00:19:20.561>disappointed

482
00:19:20.705 --> 00:19:23.425
<00:19:20.705>that <00:19:20.905>even <00:19:21.105>fluffy <00:19:21.304>animals <00:19:21.504>are <00:19:21.705>now <00:19:21.905>AI <00:19:22.105>generated.

483
00:19:23.425 --> 00:19:26.385
<00:19:23.425>Like, <00:19:23.565>I <00:19:23.705>mean, <00:19:23.845>I <00:19:23.985>only <00:19:24.125>follow <00:19:24.264>dogs <00:19:24.405>on <00:19:24.544>in, <00:19:24.685>uh, <00:19:24.825>on,

484
00:19:26.485 --> 00:19:29.185
<00:19:26.485>on <00:19:26.685>Instagram, <00:19:26.885>and <00:19:27.084>now <00:19:27.284>you <00:19:27.485>get <00:19:27.685>like, <00:19:27.885>these,

485
00:19:29.185 --> 00:19:30.305
<00:19:29.185>look <00:19:29.437>at <00:19:29.689>this <00:19:29.941>fluffy <00:19:30.193>dog

486
00:19:30.305 --> 00:19:32.505
<00:19:30.305>and <00:19:30.538>it's <00:19:30.771>basically <00:19:31.005>completely <00:19:31.238>AI <00:19:31.471>generated <00:19:31.705>thing,

487
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<00:19:32.505>or <00:19:32.705>look <00:19:32.905>what <00:19:33.105>my <00:19:33.305>dog <00:19:33.505>breed <00:19:33.705>brought <00:19:33.905>home.

488
00:19:34.565 --> 00:19:37.255
<00:19:34.565>And <00:19:34.915>yeah, <00:19:35.265>it's, <00:19:35.615>it's <00:19:35.965>interesting

489
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<00:19:37.255>to <00:19:37.477>see <00:19:37.699>how <00:19:37.921>they <00:19:38.143>would <00:19:38.365>do <00:19:38.587>that.

490
00:19:38.795 --> 00:19:40.735
<00:19:38.795>It <00:19:38.970>would <00:19:39.145>be <00:19:39.320>interesting <00:19:39.495>to <00:19:39.670>talk <00:19:39.845>to <00:19:40.020>them, <00:19:40.195>uh,

491
00:19:40.795 --> 00:19:43.215
<00:19:40.795>but <00:19:40.950>see <00:19:41.106>that <00:19:41.261>they're <00:19:41.417>part <00:19:41.572>of <00:19:41.728>meta, <00:19:41.883>they <00:19:42.039>probably <00:19:42.195>know

492
00:19:43.215 --> 00:19:45.415
<00:19:43.215>where <00:19:43.389>it's <00:19:43.564>been <00:19:43.740>generated <00:19:43.915>by <00:19:44.090>some <00:19:44.264>of <00:19:44.439>their <00:19:44.615>bots

493
00:19:45.415 --> 00:19:47.615
<00:19:45.415>and <00:19:45.615>has <00:19:45.815>a <00:19:46.014>watermark <00:19:46.215>in <00:19:46.415>it <00:19:46.615>or <00:19:46.815>something.

494
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<00:19:47.755>But <00:19:47.930>I'm <00:19:48.105>just <00:19:48.280>very <00:19:48.455>tired <00:19:48.630>of <00:19:48.805>just <00:19:48.980>getting <00:19:49.155>like,

495
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<00:19:51.275>random <00:19:51.741>stuff <00:19:52.208>coming <00:19:52.675>in

496
00:19:53.515 --> 00:19:55.215
<00:19:53.515>and, <00:19:53.715>uh, <00:19:53.915>yeah, <00:19:54.115>I <00:19:54.315>don't <00:19:54.515>know <00:19:54.715>if <00:19:54.915>the,

497
00:19:55.235 --> 00:19:56.455
<00:19:55.235>if <00:19:55.454>the <00:19:55.674>controls <00:19:55.893>would <00:19:56.113>limit <00:19:56.332>that

498
00:19:56.475 --> 00:19:59.375
<00:19:56.475>or <00:19:56.615>people <00:19:56.754>get <00:19:56.895>around <00:19:57.034>it <00:19:57.175>also, <00:19:57.314>what's <00:19:57.455>the <00:19:57.594>benefit <00:19:57.735>from <00:19:57.875>it?

499
00:19:59.535 --> 00:20:03.775
<00:19:59.535>I <00:19:59.735>mean, <00:19:59.935>there's <00:20:00.135>completely <00:20:00.335>unhinged <00:20:00.535>AI's <00:20:00.735>animation <00:20:00.935>stuff

500
00:20:03.775 --> 00:20:05.895
<00:20:03.775>coming <00:20:03.950>around, <00:20:04.125>and <00:20:04.300>I <00:20:04.475>always <00:20:04.650>wonder <00:20:04.825>what <00:20:05.000>it's <00:20:05.175>for.

501
00:20:05.955 --> 00:20:08.855
<00:20:05.955>Is <00:20:06.155>it <00:20:06.355>just <00:20:06.554>flooding <00:20:06.754>or <00:20:06.955>I <00:20:07.155>don't <00:20:07.355>know.

502
00:20:10.995 --> 00:20:13.245
<00:20:10.995>Yeah, <00:20:11.195>it <00:20:11.395>often <00:20:11.594>seems <00:20:11.794>like <00:20:11.995>it's <00:20:12.195>just <00:20:12.395>there

503
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<00:20:13.265>to <00:20:13.691>flood <00:20:14.117>the <00:20:14.543>platform,

504
00:20:14.865 --> 00:20:16.965
<00:20:14.865>but <00:20:15.040>I <00:20:15.215>also <00:20:15.390>don't <00:20:15.565>see <00:20:15.740>the, <00:20:15.915>the <00:20:16.090>bigger <00:20:16.265>purpose

505
00:20:17.145 --> 00:20:18.925
<00:20:17.145>of <00:20:17.425>it <00:20:17.705>being <00:20:17.985>there <00:20:18.264>and <00:20:18.545>existing.

506
00:20:19.345 --> 00:20:22.045
<00:20:19.345>But <00:20:19.500>I, <00:20:19.656>I <00:20:19.811>can <00:20:19.967>totally <00:20:20.122>see <00:20:20.278>how <00:20:20.433>people <00:20:20.589>get <00:20:20.745>frustrated,

507
00:20:22.045 --> 00:20:25.125
<00:20:22.045>especially <00:20:22.245>on <00:20:22.445>Pinterest, <00:20:22.645>where <00:20:22.845>you <00:20:23.045>create <00:20:23.245>your <00:20:23.445>boards

508
00:20:25.125 --> 00:20:27.885
<00:20:25.125>and <00:20:25.300>get <00:20:25.475>your <00:20:25.650>inspiration <00:20:25.825>maybe <00:20:26.000>also <00:20:26.175>for <00:20:26.350>DY <00:20:26.525>so

509
00:20:27.885 --> 00:20:31.845
<00:20:27.885>that <00:20:28.012>you <00:20:28.139>have <00:20:28.266>a <00:20:28.394>lot <00:20:28.521>of <00:20:28.648>stuff <00:20:28.775>that <00:20:28.903>is <00:20:29.030>totally <00:20:29.157>AI <00:20:29.285>generated,

510
00:20:31.845 --> 00:20:33.725
<00:20:31.845>maybe <00:20:32.195>not <00:20:32.545>even, <00:20:32.895>uh, <00:20:33.245>replicable.

511
00:20:33.945 --> 00:20:35.445
<00:20:33.945>So <00:20:34.395>it's <00:20:34.845>like <00:20:35.294>you,

512
00:20:35.465 --> 00:20:38.165
<00:20:35.465>you <00:20:35.620>can't <00:20:35.776>use <00:20:35.931>the <00:20:36.087>platform <00:20:36.242>like <00:20:36.398>you <00:20:36.553>intended <00:20:36.709>to <00:20:36.865>do,

513
00:20:38.585 --> 00:20:42.125
<00:20:38.585>and <00:20:38.740>there's <00:20:38.896>all <00:20:39.051>this, <00:20:39.207>not <00:20:39.362>this <00:20:39.518>AI <00:20:39.673>noise, <00:20:39.829>basically. <00:20:39.985>So

514
00:20:42.965 --> 00:20:45.245
<00:20:42.965>I <00:20:43.092>always <00:20:43.219>annoyed <00:20:43.346>that <00:20:43.474>when <00:20:43.601>you <00:20:43.728>do <00:20:43.855>an <00:20:43.983>image <00:20:44.110>search <00:20:44.237>in <00:20:44.365>Bing

515
00:20:45.245 --> 00:20:47.805
<00:20:45.245>or <00:20:45.400>Google <00:20:45.556>that <00:20:45.711>you <00:20:45.867>get <00:20:46.022>Pinterest <00:20:46.178>results <00:20:46.333>that <00:20:46.489>you <00:20:46.645>have

516
00:20:47.805 --> 00:20:48.845
<00:20:47.805>to <00:20:48.039>log <00:20:48.273>in <00:20:48.507>to <00:20:48.741>see.

517
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<00:20:49.955>It <00:20:50.129>feels <00:20:50.304>like <00:20:50.480>that <00:20:50.655>should <00:20:50.830>not <00:20:51.004>have <00:20:51.179>been <00:20:51.355>indexed

518
00:20:51.975 --> 00:20:53.575
<00:20:51.975>because <00:20:52.254>it's <00:20:52.534>a <00:20:52.814>closed, <00:20:53.094>uh, <00:20:53.375>uh,

519
00:20:53.805 --> 00:20:55.495
<00:20:53.805>it's <00:20:54.038>a <00:20:54.271>closed <00:20:54.505>garden <00:20:54.738>rather <00:20:54.971>than <00:20:55.205>just,

520
00:20:55.555 --> 00:20:56.695
<00:20:55.555>uh, <00:20:55.811>images <00:20:56.068>on <00:20:56.324>the <00:20:56.581>web.

521
00:20:59.765 --> 00:21:02.535
<00:20:59.765>Yeah, <00:20:59.905>true. <00:21:00.045>I <00:21:00.185>I <00:21:00.325>also <00:21:00.465>get <00:21:00.605>frustrated <00:21:00.745>when <00:21:00.885>this <00:21:01.025>happens <00:21:01.165>when

522
00:21:02.615 --> 00:21:05.095
<00:21:02.615>I <00:21:02.815>like <00:21:03.015>have <00:21:03.215>to <00:21:03.415>the <00:21:03.615>Google <00:21:03.815>surface <00:21:04.015>results

523
00:21:05.155 --> 00:21:07.135
<00:21:05.155>and <00:21:05.295>I <00:21:05.435>have <00:21:05.575>a <00:21:05.715>quick <00:21:05.855>preview <00:21:05.995>and <00:21:06.135>I <00:21:06.274>click <00:21:06.415>on <00:21:06.555>it

524
00:21:07.135 --> 00:21:09.855
<00:21:07.135>and <00:21:07.290>it's <00:21:07.446>behind <00:21:07.601>a <00:21:07.757>pay, <00:21:07.912>and <00:21:08.068>it's <00:21:08.223>like, <00:21:08.379>oh, <00:21:08.535>okay,

525
00:21:09.875 --> 00:21:12.015
<00:21:09.875>but <00:21:10.075>then <00:21:10.275>why <00:21:10.475>is <00:21:10.675>it <00:21:10.875>ranked <00:21:11.075>so <00:21:11.275>high?

526
00:21:12.045 --> 00:21:13.495
<00:21:12.045>Like <00:21:12.306>I <00:21:12.567>can <00:21:12.828>access <00:21:13.089>it <00:21:13.350>anyways.

527
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<00:21:14.285>Yeah, <00:21:14.460>yeah. <00:21:14.635>In <00:21:14.810>Bing <00:21:14.985>there's <00:21:15.160>a <00:21:15.335>company <00:21:15.510>called <00:21:15.685>ami,

528
00:21:17.015 --> 00:21:19.575
<00:21:17.015>which <00:21:17.295>basically <00:21:17.575>has <00:21:17.855>like <00:21:18.135>watermarked <00:21:18.415>lots

529
00:21:19.575 --> 00:21:20.695
<00:21:19.575>and <00:21:19.743>lots <00:21:19.911>of <00:21:20.079>images, <00:21:20.247>and <00:21:20.415>no <00:21:20.582>matter

530
00:21:20.695 --> 00:21:22.215
<00:21:20.695>what <00:21:20.923>you <00:21:21.150>search, <00:21:21.379>they're <00:21:21.607>the <00:21:21.835>first <00:21:22.062>results.

531
00:21:22.315 --> 00:21:23.695
<00:21:22.315>And <00:21:22.563>I <00:21:22.811>don't <00:21:23.060>understand <00:21:23.308>that <00:21:23.557>either.

532
00:21:24.765 --> 00:21:27.215
<00:21:24.765>Like, <00:21:24.920>uh, <00:21:25.076>it's, <00:21:25.231>I, <00:21:25.387>I <00:21:25.542>don't <00:21:25.698>know <00:21:25.853>what <00:21:26.009>they <00:21:26.165>did

533
00:21:27.275 --> 00:21:29.775
<00:21:27.275>to <00:21:27.450>play <00:21:27.625>the <00:21:27.800>system, <00:21:27.975>pay <00:21:28.150>Microsoft <00:21:28.325>shitloads <00:21:28.500>of <00:21:28.675>money,

534
00:21:29.935 --> 00:21:32.455
<00:21:29.935>I <00:21:30.110>guess, <00:21:30.284>but <00:21:30.460>it <00:21:30.635>feels, <00:21:30.810>it <00:21:30.985>feels <00:21:31.159>so <00:21:31.335>wrong

535
00:21:32.475 --> 00:21:34.135
<00:21:32.475>to <00:21:32.754>just <00:21:33.034>get <00:21:33.314>like <00:21:33.594>a <00:21:33.875>watermark.

536
00:21:34.315 --> 00:21:36.815
<00:21:34.315>You <00:21:34.422>have <00:21:34.530>to <00:21:34.638>pay <00:21:34.745>to <00:21:34.853>the <00:21:34.961>image <00:21:35.068>if <00:21:35.176>you <00:21:35.284>just <00:21:35.391>do <00:21:35.499>an <00:21:35.607>image <00:21:35.715>search,

537
00:21:36.815 --> 00:21:40.095
<00:21:36.815>especially <00:21:36.990>when <00:21:37.165>you <00:21:37.340>define <00:21:37.515>the <00:21:37.690>license <00:21:37.865>that <00:21:38.040>you <00:21:38.215>want

538
00:21:40.095 --> 00:21:41.135
<00:21:40.095>to <00:21:40.407>find <00:21:40.719>things <00:21:41.031>with.

539
00:21:41.435 --> 00:21:43.375
<00:21:41.435>And <00:21:41.610>then <00:21:41.784>you <00:21:41.960>still <00:21:42.135>get <00:21:42.310>these <00:21:42.485>images <00:21:42.659>in <00:21:42.835>there.

540
00:21:45.265 --> 00:21:46.445
<00:21:45.265>And <00:21:45.477>there <00:21:45.689>was <00:21:45.902>an <00:21:46.114>interesting <00:21:46.327>one

541
00:21:46.445 --> 00:21:49.805
<00:21:46.445>with <00:21:46.585>like <00:21:46.725>SlideShare <00:21:46.865>when <00:21:47.004>SlideShare <00:21:47.145>was <00:21:47.284>a <00:21:47.425>bit, <00:21:47.564>uh, <00:21:47.705>uh, <00:21:47.845>uh,

542
00:21:49.905 --> 00:21:50.925
<00:21:49.905>and, <00:21:50.364>uh, <00:21:50.822>um,

543
00:21:51.185 --> 00:21:54.365
<00:21:51.185>and <00:21:51.340>some <00:21:51.496>net <00:21:51.651>magazine <00:21:51.807>in <00:21:51.962>England <00:21:52.118>when <00:21:52.273>they <00:21:52.429>took <00:21:52.585>pictures

544
00:21:54.365 --> 00:21:56.285
<00:21:54.365>of <00:21:54.565>you, <00:21:54.765>they <00:21:54.965>sold <00:21:55.165>them <00:21:55.365>later <00:21:55.565>on, <00:21:55.765>uh,

545
00:21:56.285 --> 00:21:58.965
<00:21:56.285>for <00:21:56.518>like <00:21:56.751>reselling <00:21:56.985>on <00:21:57.218>big <00:21:57.451>picture <00:21:57.685>boards.

546
00:21:58.965 --> 00:22:02.125
<00:21:58.965>And, <00:21:59.105>uh, <00:21:59.245>it <00:21:59.385>was <00:21:59.524>interesting <00:21:59.665>that <00:21:59.804>my <00:21:59.945>picture <00:22:00.084>was <00:22:00.225>like <00:22:00.365>offered

547
00:22:02.125 --> 00:22:04.725
<00:22:02.125>as <00:22:02.300>like <00:22:02.475>web <00:22:02.650>developer <00:22:02.825>for <00:22:03.000>like <00:22:03.175>$2,000 <00:22:03.350>or <00:22:03.525>something.

548
00:22:05.415 --> 00:22:06.625
<00:22:05.415>Hang <00:22:05.687>on, <00:22:05.959>there's <00:22:06.231>somebody <00:22:06.504>coming.

549
00:22:06.885 --> 00:22:10.785
<00:22:06.885>So, <00:22:07.040>um, <00:22:07.196>let's <00:22:07.351>talk <00:22:07.507>about <00:22:07.662>the, <00:22:07.818>uh, <00:22:07.973>oh, <00:22:08.129>well, <00:22:08.285>oh,

550
00:22:10.785 --> 00:22:12.025
<00:22:10.785>well <00:22:11.064>say <00:22:11.343>something <00:22:11.622>about <00:22:11.901>this.

551
00:22:12.815 --> 00:22:14.345
<00:22:12.815>Yeah, <00:22:13.503>yeah, <00:22:14.192>yeah.

552
00:22:14.345 --> 00:22:15.305
<00:22:14.345>No, <00:22:14.489>this <00:22:14.633>is, <00:22:14.777>uh, <00:22:14.921>this <00:22:15.065>is <00:22:15.209>the

553
00:22:15.305 --> 00:22:16.185
<00:22:15.305>beauty <00:22:15.437>of <00:22:15.569>a <00:22:15.701>live <00:22:15.833>show, <00:22:15.965>isn't <00:22:16.097>it?

554
00:22:16.205 --> 00:22:19.025
<00:22:16.205>Um, <00:22:16.405>so <00:22:16.605>yeah, <00:22:16.804>the, <00:22:17.004>the <00:22:17.205>Europe, <00:22:17.405>uh, <00:22:17.605>plan

555
00:22:19.025 --> 00:22:20.105
<00:22:19.025>to <00:22:19.268>ditch <00:22:19.511>US <00:22:19.754>tech <00:22:19.997>giants.

556
00:22:20.105 --> 00:22:21.465
<00:22:20.105>I <00:22:20.258>know <00:22:20.411>we <00:22:20.564>haven't <00:22:20.716>got <00:22:20.870>it <00:22:21.023>there <00:22:21.176>on <00:22:21.329>screen,

557
00:22:21.485 --> 00:22:22.985
<00:22:21.485>so <00:22:21.653>I'll <00:22:21.822>open <00:22:21.991>it <00:22:22.159>on <00:22:22.328>my, <00:22:22.497>my <00:22:22.666>own <00:22:22.834>one.

558
00:22:23.045 --> 00:22:25.905
<00:22:23.045>Um, <00:22:23.161>I <00:22:23.278>mean, <00:22:23.395>we, <00:22:23.511>we <00:22:23.628>won't <00:22:23.745>get <00:22:23.861>involved <00:22:23.978>in <00:22:24.095>any <00:22:24.211>of <00:22:24.328>the, <00:22:24.445>uh,

559
00:22:25.965 --> 00:22:28.025
<00:22:25.965>the <00:22:26.092>political <00:22:26.219>side <00:22:26.346>of <00:22:26.474>it, <00:22:26.601>but <00:22:26.728>we <00:22:26.855>can <00:22:26.983>kind <00:22:27.110>of <00:22:27.237>talk <00:22:27.365>about,

560
00:22:28.045 --> 00:22:29.225
<00:22:28.045>you <00:22:28.257>know, <00:22:28.469>the, <00:22:28.682>uh, <00:22:28.894>the <00:22:29.107>kind

561
00:22:29.225 --> 00:22:30.425
<00:22:29.225>of <00:22:29.440>general <00:22:29.657>shift <00:22:29.873>that <00:22:30.089>we're <00:22:30.304>seeing.

562
00:22:30.425 --> 00:22:32.425
<00:22:30.425>So <00:22:30.565>I'll <00:22:30.705>just <00:22:30.845>give <00:22:30.985>you <00:22:31.125>some <00:22:31.264>of <00:22:31.405>the, <00:22:31.544>um, <00:22:31.685>the <00:22:31.825>headline

563
00:22:32.425 --> 00:22:33.545
<00:22:32.425>and <00:22:32.569>I'll <00:22:32.713>kind <00:22:32.857>of <00:22:33.001>cut, <00:22:33.145>cut <00:22:33.289>in <00:22:33.433>the

564
00:22:33.545 --> 00:22:34.785
<00:22:33.545>actual <00:22:33.704>article <00:22:33.863>when <00:22:34.023>we <00:22:34.182>come <00:22:34.342>to <00:22:34.501>it <00:22:34.661>later.

565
00:22:35.165 --> 00:22:37.985
<00:22:35.165>Um, <00:22:35.365>in <00:22:35.565>essence, <00:22:35.764>the, <00:22:35.965>the <00:22:36.165>headline <00:22:36.365>is <00:22:36.565>kind

566
00:22:37.985 --> 00:22:40.505
<00:22:37.985>of <00:22:38.101>telling <00:22:38.218>you <00:22:38.334>a <00:22:38.451>little <00:22:38.568>bit <00:22:38.685>about <00:22:38.801>a <00:22:38.918>kind <00:22:39.034>of <00:22:39.151>a <00:22:39.268>general <00:22:39.385>shift

567
00:22:40.505 --> 00:22:44.065
<00:22:40.505>that <00:22:40.660>we're <00:22:40.816>seeing <00:22:40.971>in <00:22:41.127>Europe, <00:22:41.282>um, <00:22:41.438>away <00:22:41.593>from <00:22:41.749>US-based <00:22:41.905>products

568
00:22:44.065 --> 00:22:46.705
<00:22:44.065>and <00:22:44.240>services, <00:22:44.415>and <00:22:44.590>that <00:22:44.765>they, <00:22:44.940>they <00:22:45.115>sort <00:22:45.290>of <00:22:45.465>surmise

569
00:22:46.705 --> 00:22:49.145
<00:22:46.705>that <00:22:46.879>this <00:22:47.054>has <00:22:47.230>largely <00:22:47.405>come <00:22:47.580>from, <00:22:47.754>um, <00:22:47.929>a <00:22:48.105>loss

570
00:22:49.145 --> 00:22:51.065
<00:22:49.145>of <00:22:49.345>trust <00:22:49.545>in <00:22:49.745>some <00:22:49.945>of <00:22:50.145>the <00:22:50.345>tech <00:22:50.545>companies.

571
00:22:51.285 --> 00:22:53.985
<00:22:51.285>And <00:22:51.412>I <00:22:51.539>suppose <00:22:51.666>some <00:22:51.794>of <00:22:51.921>the <00:22:52.048>stuff <00:22:52.175>we <00:22:52.303>see <00:22:52.430>going <00:22:52.557>on <00:22:52.685>with,

572
00:22:54.245 --> 00:22:55.465
<00:22:54.245>you <00:22:54.610>know, <00:22:54.976>Nvidia <00:22:55.342>chips

573
00:22:55.605 --> 00:22:57.985
<00:22:55.605>and <00:22:55.780>the, <00:22:55.955>the, <00:22:56.130>the, <00:22:56.305>the <00:22:56.480>bubble <00:22:56.655>that's <00:22:56.830>being <00:22:57.005>created

574
00:22:58.005 --> 00:23:01.105
<00:22:58.005>around <00:22:58.145>the, <00:22:58.285>the, <00:22:58.425>the <00:22:58.565>kinda <00:22:58.705>hardware <00:22:58.845>to <00:22:58.985>power <00:22:59.125>the <00:22:59.265>AI <00:22:59.405>industry

575
00:23:01.645 --> 00:23:04.585
<00:23:01.645>is <00:23:01.925>causing <00:23:02.205>these, <00:23:02.485>um, <00:23:02.764>hugely <00:23:03.045>powerful

576
00:23:04.765 --> 00:23:06.225
<00:23:04.765>and <00:23:05.203>very <00:23:05.641>valuable <00:23:06.079>stocks,

577
00:23:06.225 --> 00:23:07.545
<00:23:06.225>but <00:23:06.462>also <00:23:06.700>meaning <00:23:06.937>that, <00:23:07.175>you <00:23:07.413>know,

578
00:23:07.545 --> 00:23:09.305
<00:23:07.545>if <00:23:07.685>you're <00:23:07.825>not <00:23:07.965>from <00:23:08.105>the <00:23:08.245>US <00:23:08.385>you <00:23:08.525>might <00:23:08.665>be <00:23:08.805>saying, <00:23:08.945>oh,

579
00:23:09.305 --> 00:23:11.705
<00:23:09.305>well <00:23:09.432>I'm <00:23:09.559>not <00:23:09.686>sure <00:23:09.814>I <00:23:09.941>necessarily <00:23:10.068>wanna <00:23:10.195>be <00:23:10.323>a <00:23:10.450>part <00:23:10.577>of <00:23:10.705>that.

580
00:23:11.765 --> 00:23:14.145
<00:23:11.765>So, <00:23:11.920>um, <00:23:12.076>yeah, <00:23:12.231>we're <00:23:12.387>just <00:23:12.542>saying <00:23:12.698>there, <00:23:12.853>Chris, <00:23:13.009>about <00:23:13.165>the,

581
00:23:14.145 --> 00:23:17.425
<00:23:14.145>the <00:23:14.300>shift <00:23:14.456>away <00:23:14.611>from <00:23:14.767>US <00:23:14.922>products <00:23:15.078>to <00:23:15.233>open <00:23:15.389>source <00:23:15.545>ones.

582
00:23:17.565 --> 00:23:19.585
<00:23:17.565>Um, <00:23:17.765>does <00:23:17.965>it <00:23:18.165>feel, <00:23:18.365>is <00:23:18.565>it <00:23:18.765>just <00:23:18.965>me?

583
00:23:19.585 --> 00:23:21.105
<00:23:19.585>Does <00:23:19.737>it <00:23:19.889>feel <00:23:20.041>like <00:23:20.193>this <00:23:20.345>is <00:23:20.497>the <00:23:20.649>first <00:23:20.801>time <00:23:20.953>it

584
00:23:21.105 --> 00:23:22.505
<00:23:21.105>might <00:23:21.420>actually <00:23:21.735>be <00:23:22.050>gaining <00:23:22.365>steam?

585
00:23:22.505 --> 00:23:24.825
<00:23:22.505>Because <00:23:22.705>I'm <00:23:22.905>seeing <00:23:23.105>a <00:23:23.305>lot <00:23:23.505>of <00:23:23.705>everyday <00:23:23.905>people,

586
00:23:24.845 --> 00:23:27.705
<00:23:24.845>and <00:23:25.045>I <00:23:25.245>mean <00:23:25.445>non-techie <00:23:25.645>types <00:23:25.845>looking <00:23:26.045>for <00:23:26.245>alternatives

587
00:23:27.805 --> 00:23:31.185
<00:23:27.805>for <00:23:27.960>normal <00:23:28.116>everyday <00:23:28.271>things <00:23:28.427>that <00:23:28.582>they're <00:23:28.738>used <00:23:28.893>to <00:23:29.049>using, <00:23:29.205>um,

588
00:23:31.455 --> 00:23:32.825
<00:23:31.455>with <00:23:31.660>a <00:23:31.866>little <00:23:32.071>bit <00:23:32.277>of <00:23:32.482>a, <00:23:32.688>okay,

589
00:23:32.835 --> 00:23:34.025
<00:23:32.835>there <00:23:33.049>is <00:23:33.263>no <00:23:33.477>replacement <00:23:33.691>for <00:23:33.906>that.

590
00:23:34.085 --> 00:23:36.025
<00:23:34.085>I'm <00:23:34.260>sticking <00:23:34.435>with <00:23:34.610>that, <00:23:34.785>but <00:23:34.960>I <00:23:35.135>can <00:23:35.310>replace <00:23:35.485>this.

591
00:23:36.445 --> 00:23:37.865
<00:23:36.445>Do <00:23:36.604>either <00:23:36.764>of <00:23:36.924>you <00:23:37.084>do <00:23:37.243>that? <00:23:37.403>Do <00:23:37.563>you <00:23:37.723>try

592
00:23:37.865 --> 00:23:40.345
<00:23:37.865>and <00:23:38.005>look <00:23:38.145>at <00:23:38.285>the, <00:23:38.425>the <00:23:38.565>source <00:23:38.705>of <00:23:38.845>the, <00:23:38.985>of <00:23:39.125>the <00:23:39.265>software

593
00:23:40.365 --> 00:23:43.225
<00:23:40.365>and <00:23:40.481>if <00:23:40.598>you <00:23:40.715>could <00:23:40.831>use <00:23:40.948>it, <00:23:41.065>um, <00:23:41.181>more <00:23:41.298>if <00:23:41.415>it's <00:23:41.531>an <00:23:41.648>EU <00:23:41.765>or,

594
00:23:43.245 --> 00:23:44.745
<00:23:43.245>or <00:23:43.582>European <00:23:43.919>version <00:23:44.257>over <00:23:44.594>a

595
00:23:44.745 --> 00:23:45.745
<00:23:44.745>US <00:23:45.645>one?

596
00:23:47.765 --> 00:23:49.605
<00:23:47.765>I <00:23:47.920>think <00:23:48.076>there <00:23:48.231>is <00:23:48.387>a, <00:23:48.542>uh, <00:23:48.698>that <00:23:48.853>was <00:23:49.009>even <00:23:49.165>part

597
00:23:49.605 --> 00:23:51.605
<00:23:49.605>of <00:23:49.838>like <00:23:50.071>comedy <00:23:50.305>shows <00:23:50.538>in <00:23:50.771>Germany <00:23:51.005>now

598
00:23:51.605 --> 00:23:54.525
<00:23:51.605>and <00:23:51.745>in <00:23:51.885>the <00:23:52.025>news <00:23:52.165>as <00:23:52.305>well, <00:23:52.445>where <00:23:52.585>basically <00:23:52.725>it <00:23:52.865>says, <00:23:53.005>uh,

599
00:23:54.785 --> 00:23:56.925
<00:23:54.785>it <00:23:54.985>is <00:23:55.185>tied <00:23:55.385>to <00:23:55.585>a <00:23:55.785>certain <00:23:55.985>person, <00:23:56.185>uh,

600
00:23:56.925 --> 00:23:58.565
<00:23:56.925>running <00:23:57.158>a <00:23:57.391>certain <00:23:57.625>country <00:23:57.858>at <00:23:58.091>the <00:23:58.325>moment

601
00:23:59.305 --> 00:24:03.405
<00:23:59.305>and <00:23:59.445>also <00:23:59.585>to <00:23:59.725>the <00:23:59.865>new <00:24:00.005>cloud, <00:24:00.145>uh, <00:24:00.285>uh, <00:24:00.425>um, <00:24:00.565>whatever <00:24:00.705>law

602
00:24:03.405 --> 00:24:05.045
<00:24:03.405>that <00:24:03.605>was <00:24:03.805>coming <00:24:04.004>out <00:24:04.205>a <00:24:04.405>few <00:24:04.605>months <00:24:04.805>ago

603
00:24:05.045 --> 00:24:07.205
<00:24:05.045>that <00:24:05.278>basically <00:24:05.511>says <00:24:05.745>like, <00:24:05.978>they <00:24:06.211>got <00:24:06.445>access

604
00:24:07.205 --> 00:24:08.845
<00:24:07.205>to <00:24:07.485>everything <00:24:07.764>now <00:24:08.044>from <00:24:08.324>the <00:24:08.605>us.

605
00:24:09.065 --> 00:24:12.005
<00:24:09.065>And <00:24:09.205>the <00:24:09.345>other <00:24:09.485>bit <00:24:09.625>of <00:24:09.765>course <00:24:09.905>was <00:24:10.045>that <00:24:10.185>like, <00:24:10.325>we <00:24:10.465>are

606
00:24:12.025 --> 00:24:15.125
<00:24:12.025>so <00:24:12.152>reliant <00:24:12.279>on <00:24:12.406>the <00:24:12.534>US <00:24:12.661>cloud, <00:24:12.788>if <00:24:12.915>people <00:24:13.043>were <00:24:13.170>blocking <00:24:13.297>us <00:24:13.425>out,

607
00:24:15.185 --> 00:24:18.845
<00:24:15.185>we <00:24:15.360>would <00:24:15.534>be <00:24:15.710>basically, <00:24:15.885>uh, <00:24:16.060>um, <00:24:16.235>uh, <00:24:16.409>set, <00:24:16.585>uh,

608
00:24:19.635 --> 00:24:20.965
<00:24:19.635>indi <00:24:20.033>impossible <00:24:20.433>to <00:24:20.831>work.

609
00:24:21.225 --> 00:24:23.925
<00:24:21.225>You <00:24:21.365>know, <00:24:21.504>like <00:24:21.645>that <00:24:21.784>was <00:24:21.925>the, <00:24:22.064>that <00:24:22.205>was <00:24:22.344>the <00:24:22.485>biggest <00:24:22.625>issue.

610
00:24:23.925 --> 00:24:26.245
<00:24:23.925>Like <00:24:24.158>the <00:24:24.391>sovereignty, <00:24:24.625>the <00:24:24.858>digital <00:24:25.091>sovereignty <00:24:25.325>we,

611
00:24:26.245 --> 00:24:28.125
<00:24:26.245>we <00:24:26.478>had <00:24:26.711>in <00:24:26.945>several <00:24:27.178>coffee <00:24:27.411>with <00:24:27.645>developers

612
00:24:28.125 --> 00:24:30.365
<00:24:28.125>as <00:24:28.325>well <00:24:28.525>is <00:24:28.725>a <00:24:28.925>big <00:24:29.125>topic <00:24:29.325>right <00:24:29.525>now

613
00:24:30.475 --> 00:24:33.925
<00:24:30.475>because <00:24:30.675>of <00:24:30.875>the <00:24:31.074>current <00:24:31.274>political <00:24:31.475>climate <00:24:31.675>in <00:24:31.875>certain

614
00:24:34.285 --> 00:24:36.805
<00:24:34.285>countries <00:24:34.565>and <00:24:34.845>like <00:24:35.125>putting <00:24:35.405>tariffs <00:24:35.685>on

615
00:24:36.805 --> 00:24:38.245
<00:24:36.805>everything <00:24:37.064>and <00:24:37.323>these <00:24:37.582>kind <00:24:37.841>of <00:24:38.101>things.

616
00:24:38.305 --> 00:24:40.285
<00:24:38.305>So <00:24:38.505>that's <00:24:38.705>why <00:24:38.905>it <00:24:39.105>became <00:24:39.305>a <00:24:39.505>bigger <00:24:39.705>thing.

617
00:24:40.555 --> 00:24:43.765
<00:24:40.555>It's, <00:24:40.695>it's <00:24:40.835>been <00:24:40.975>quite, <00:24:41.115>uh, <00:24:41.255>Europe <00:24:41.395>has <00:24:41.535>always <00:24:41.675>been <00:24:41.815>very, <00:24:41.955>uh,

618
00:24:43.765 --> 00:24:46.035
<00:24:43.765>uh, <00:24:44.115>open <00:24:44.465>source, <00:24:44.815>uh, <00:24:45.165>friendly

619
00:24:46.035 --> 00:24:48.075
<00:24:46.035>because <00:24:46.235>we <00:24:46.435>said <00:24:46.635>like, <00:24:46.835>okay, <00:24:47.035>that <00:24:47.235>makes <00:24:47.435>sense

620
00:24:48.095 --> 00:24:50.075
<00:24:48.095>to <00:24:48.250>actually <00:24:48.406>own <00:24:48.561>the <00:24:48.717>thing <00:24:48.872>and <00:24:49.028>that <00:24:49.183>we <00:24:49.339>have <00:24:49.495>it.

621
00:24:50.075 --> 00:24:52.555
<00:24:50.075>And <00:24:50.250>like, <00:24:50.425>I <00:24:50.600>mean, <00:24:50.775>like, <00:24:50.950>our <00:24:51.125>large <00:24:51.300>companies <00:24:51.475>do,

622
00:24:52.555 --> 00:24:55.115
<00:24:52.555>like <00:24:52.710>on-prem <00:24:52.866>rather <00:24:53.021>than <00:24:53.177>cloud <00:24:53.332>and <00:24:53.488>these <00:24:53.643>kind <00:24:53.799>of <00:24:53.955>things.

623
00:24:55.175 --> 00:24:57.315
<00:24:55.175>But <00:24:55.408>seeing <00:24:55.641>the <00:24:55.875>outages <00:24:56.108>of <00:24:56.341>clouds <00:24:56.575>lately

624
00:24:57.415 --> 00:25:00.675
<00:24:57.415>and <00:24:57.590>these <00:24:57.764>kind <00:24:57.940>of <00:24:58.115>things <00:24:58.290>made <00:24:58.465>it <00:24:58.639>more <00:24:58.815>important.

625
00:25:00.895 --> 00:25:04.395
<00:25:00.895>And <00:25:01.022>the <00:25:01.149>last <00:25:01.276>government <00:25:01.404>in <00:25:01.531>Germany <00:25:01.658>also <00:25:01.785>had <00:25:01.913>like <00:25:02.040>a <00:25:02.167>big, <00:25:02.295>uh,

626
00:25:04.415 --> 00:25:06.155
<00:25:04.415>uh, <00:25:04.764>investment <00:25:05.115>in <00:25:05.465>open <00:25:05.815>source

627
00:25:06.335 --> 00:25:08.555
<00:25:06.335>and <00:25:06.801>in <00:25:07.268>European <00:25:07.735>infrastructure.

628
00:25:08.655 --> 00:25:11.675
<00:25:08.655>And <00:25:08.782>so <00:25:08.909>it's <00:25:09.036>like <00:25:09.164>we <00:25:09.291>have <00:25:09.418>to <00:25:09.545>be <00:25:09.673>independent <00:25:09.800>from <00:25:09.927>other <00:25:10.055>people

629
00:25:11.745 --> 00:25:13.795
<00:25:11.745>with <00:25:11.945>like <00:25:12.145>the <00:25:12.344>political <00:25:12.544>climate <00:25:12.745>world <00:25:12.945>by <00:25:13.145>changing.

630
00:25:14.415 --> 00:25:17.265
<00:25:14.415>And <00:25:14.590>I <00:25:14.764>think <00:25:14.940>that's <00:25:15.115>an <00:25:15.290>interesting <00:25:15.465>bit <00:25:15.639>to <00:25:15.815>see.

631
00:25:17.425 --> 00:25:18.465
<00:25:17.425>I <00:25:17.612>mean, <00:25:17.799>we <00:25:17.986>had <00:25:18.173>like, <00:25:18.360>type

632
00:25:18.465 --> 00:25:20.305
<00:25:18.465>of <00:25:18.665>three <00:25:18.865>is <00:25:19.064>the <00:25:19.264>content <00:25:19.465>management <00:25:19.665>system <00:25:19.865>coming

633
00:25:20.305 --> 00:25:21.305
<00:25:20.305>for <00:25:20.605>the <00:25:20.905>German <00:25:21.205>government.

634
00:25:21.925 --> 00:25:25.945
<00:25:21.925>And, <00:25:22.065>uh, <00:25:22.205>I <00:25:22.345>mean, <00:25:22.485>Azure <00:25:22.625>Cloud <00:25:22.764>is <00:25:22.905>lots <00:25:23.044>of <00:25:23.185>the, <00:25:23.325>most

635
00:25:25.945 --> 00:25:27.425
<00:25:25.945>of <00:25:26.135>the <00:25:26.325>servers <00:25:26.515>are <00:25:26.706>in <00:25:26.896>Austria <00:25:27.086>and <00:25:27.277>Germany

636
00:25:27.485 --> 00:25:29.985
<00:25:27.485>or <00:25:27.625>in <00:25:27.764>the <00:25:27.905>dark <00:25:28.044>region <00:25:28.185>rather <00:25:28.324>than <00:25:28.465>like <00:25:28.604>the <00:25:28.745>American <00:25:28.885>one.

637
00:25:30.325 --> 00:25:31.625
<00:25:30.325>But <00:25:30.520>I <00:25:30.715>think <00:25:30.910>it's <00:25:31.105>also <00:25:31.300>quite <00:25:31.495>fun

638
00:25:31.625 --> 00:25:33.385
<00:25:31.625>with <00:25:31.825>the <00:25:32.025>AWS <00:25:32.225>outage <00:25:32.425>that <00:25:32.625>we <00:25:32.825>just <00:25:33.025>had.

639
00:25:33.385 --> 00:25:35.745
<00:25:33.385>Like <00:25:33.585>you <00:25:33.785>just <00:25:33.985>see <00:25:34.185>people <00:25:34.385>using <00:25:34.585>the <00:25:34.785>cloud

640
00:25:35.925 --> 00:25:38.545
<00:25:35.925>and <00:25:36.158>using <00:25:36.391>the <00:25:36.625>first <00:25:36.858>server, <00:25:37.091>the <00:25:37.325>dropdown,

641
00:25:38.695 --> 00:25:40.865
<00:25:38.695>everybody <00:25:39.044>uses <00:25:39.395>us <00:25:39.745>East <00:25:40.095>one

642
00:25:41.285 --> 00:25:42.945
<00:25:41.285>and <00:25:41.518>like <00:25:41.751>then <00:25:41.985>they <00:25:42.218>wonder <00:25:42.451>when <00:25:42.685>something

643
00:25:42.945 --> 00:25:44.225
<00:25:42.945>goes <00:25:43.233>down <00:25:43.521>that <00:25:43.809>they're <00:25:44.097>offline.

644
00:25:44.375 --> 00:25:45.625
<00:25:44.375>It's, <00:25:44.656>it's, <00:25:44.937>it's <00:25:45.218>a <00:25:45.500>cloud.

645
00:25:45.685 --> 00:25:48.425
<00:25:45.685>You <00:25:45.885>can <00:25:46.085>use <00:25:46.284>whatever <00:25:46.485>server <00:25:46.685>as <00:25:46.885>a <00:25:47.085>fallback

646
00:25:48.445 --> 00:25:49.705
<00:25:48.445>or <00:25:48.671>even <00:25:48.898>as <00:25:49.125>the <00:25:49.352>first <00:25:49.579>one.

647
00:25:49.725 --> 00:25:51.585
<00:25:49.725>So <00:25:49.880>why <00:25:50.036>didn't <00:25:50.191>you <00:25:50.347>choose <00:25:50.502>that <00:25:50.658>one <00:25:50.813>to <00:25:50.969>start <00:25:51.125>with?

648
00:25:52.205 --> 00:25:55.065
<00:25:52.205>But <00:25:52.379>yeah, <00:25:52.554>there <00:25:52.730>is <00:25:52.905>a <00:25:53.080>big <00:25:53.254>movement <00:25:53.429>in <00:25:53.605>this

649
00:25:55.065 --> 00:25:56.425
<00:25:55.065>and <00:25:55.269>I <00:25:55.473>think <00:25:55.677>it's <00:25:55.881>gonna <00:25:56.085>be <00:25:56.289>interesting,

650
00:25:56.445 --> 00:25:59.265
<00:25:56.445>and <00:25:56.572>I'm <00:25:56.699>gonna <00:25:56.826>be <00:25:56.954>talking <00:25:57.081>to <00:25:57.208>a <00:25:57.335>few <00:25:57.463>people <00:25:57.590>here <00:25:57.717>in <00:25:57.845>Berlin

651
00:25:59.365 --> 00:26:02.105
<00:25:59.365>and <00:25:59.520>the <00:25:59.676>government <00:25:59.831>as <00:25:59.987>well, <00:26:00.142>uh, <00:26:00.298>what, <00:26:00.453>what <00:26:00.609>that <00:26:00.765>means.

652
00:26:02.245 --> 00:26:05.705
<00:26:02.245>But <00:26:02.419>the <00:26:02.594>being <00:26:02.770>independent <00:26:02.945>of <00:26:03.120>the <00:26:03.294>cloud, <00:26:03.469>uh, <00:26:03.645>and,

653
00:26:05.725 --> 00:26:09.025
<00:26:05.725>and <00:26:05.880>basically <00:26:06.036>it's <00:26:06.191>weird <00:26:06.347>because <00:26:06.502>it's <00:26:06.658>worldwide <00:26:06.813>web <00:26:06.969>to <00:26:07.125>me,

654
00:26:09.025 --> 00:26:11.945
<00:26:09.025>but <00:26:09.200>it's, <00:26:09.375>uh, <00:26:09.550>it's <00:26:09.725>not <00:26:09.900>anymore, <00:26:10.075>it's <00:26:10.250>western <00:26:10.425>world

655
00:26:12.565 --> 00:26:13.705
<00:26:12.565>versus <00:26:13.078>the <00:26:13.591>rest.

656
00:26:14.005 --> 00:26:16.625
<00:26:14.005>And <00:26:14.205>uh, <00:26:14.405>I <00:26:14.605>find <00:26:14.805>that <00:26:15.005>really <00:26:15.205>di <00:26:15.405>disappointing,

657
00:26:16.765 --> 00:26:19.625
<00:26:16.765>but <00:26:16.940>it's <00:26:17.115>interesting <00:26:17.290>to <00:26:17.465>see <00:26:17.640>that <00:26:17.815>the, <00:26:17.990>the <00:26:18.165>public

658
00:26:19.765 --> 00:26:21.905
<00:26:19.765>and <00:26:19.998>also <00:26:20.231>politicians <00:26:20.465>are <00:26:20.698>actually <00:26:20.931>looking <00:26:21.165>into

659
00:26:21.905 --> 00:26:24.585
<00:26:21.905>that <00:26:22.045>more <00:26:22.185>than <00:26:22.325>they <00:26:22.465>before <00:26:22.605>I <00:26:22.745>found <00:26:22.885>that <00:26:23.024>one <00:26:23.165>as <00:26:23.305>well.

660
00:26:24.905 --> 00:26:27.785
<00:26:24.905>Interesting. <00:26:25.080>The <00:26:25.254>open <00:26:25.430>Clone <00:26:25.605>Wars <00:26:25.780>that <00:26:25.955>basically <00:26:26.129>shows <00:26:26.305>you,

661
00:26:28.365 --> 00:26:31.225
<00:26:28.365>uh, <00:26:28.645>uh, <00:26:28.925>websites <00:26:29.205>that <00:26:29.485>you <00:26:29.765>have,

662
00:26:32.245 --> 00:26:36.145
<00:26:32.245>and <00:26:32.385>then <00:26:32.524>basically <00:26:32.665>which <00:26:32.804>one, <00:26:32.945>uh, <00:26:33.084>which <00:26:33.225>one <00:26:33.364>is <00:26:33.504>then <00:26:33.645>using,

663
00:26:36.365 --> 00:26:38.665
<00:26:36.365>uh, <00:26:36.598>uh, <00:26:36.831>which <00:26:37.065>alternative <00:26:37.298>are <00:26:37.531>out <00:26:37.765>there

664
00:26:38.885 --> 00:26:41.105
<00:26:38.885>for <00:26:39.060>the <00:26:39.235>people <00:26:39.410>like <00:26:39.585>bit <00:26:39.760>Warden <00:26:39.935>for <00:26:40.110>one <00:26:40.285>Password

665
00:26:41.125 --> 00:26:43.925
<00:26:41.125>and <00:26:41.300>these <00:26:41.475>kind <00:26:41.650>of <00:26:41.825>things, <00:26:42.000>things, <00:26:42.175>I <00:26:42.350>mean, <00:26:42.525>some

666
00:26:43.925 --> 00:26:45.245
<00:26:43.925>of <00:26:44.162>them <00:26:44.400>are <00:26:44.637>just <00:26:44.875>like <00:26:45.112>demos,

667
00:26:45.345 --> 00:26:48.045
<00:26:45.345>but <00:26:45.472>I, <00:26:45.599>I <00:26:45.726>think <00:26:45.854>it's <00:26:45.981>interesting <00:26:46.108>from <00:26:46.235>time <00:26:46.363>to <00:26:46.490>time <00:26:46.617>to <00:26:46.745>see

668
00:26:48.045 --> 00:26:51.805
<00:26:48.045>what <00:26:48.161>you <00:26:48.278>can <00:26:48.395>do <00:26:48.511>that <00:26:48.628>also <00:26:48.745>ties <00:26:48.861>in <00:26:48.978>with <00:26:49.095>the, <00:26:49.211>uh, <00:26:49.328>indie <00:26:49.445>web

669
00:26:52.365 --> 00:26:54.485
<00:26:52.365>movement <00:26:52.540>where <00:26:52.715>people <00:26:52.890>say, <00:26:53.065>like, <00:26:53.240>own <00:26:53.415>all <00:26:53.590>your <00:26:53.765>stuff

670
00:26:54.485 --> 00:26:55.605
<00:26:54.485>and <00:26:54.736>host <00:26:54.989>your <00:26:55.241>own <00:26:55.493>stuff.

671
00:26:56.795 --> 00:26:57.965
<00:26:56.795>Yeah, <00:26:57.058>good <00:26:57.321>luck, <00:26:57.584>I <00:26:57.848>think.

672
00:26:58.025 --> 00:26:59.645
<00:26:58.025>But, <00:26:58.258>uh, <00:26:58.491>it's <00:26:58.725>still <00:26:58.958>interesting <00:26:59.191>to <00:26:59.425>see

673
00:26:59.645 --> 00:27:02.525
<00:26:59.645>that <00:26:59.845>there <00:27:00.045>is <00:27:00.245>opportunities <00:27:00.445>out <00:27:00.645>there <00:27:00.845>that, <00:27:01.045>uh,

674
00:27:02.525 --> 00:27:03.845
<00:27:02.525>choices <00:27:02.822>that <00:27:03.119>you <00:27:03.416>can <00:27:03.713>do.

675
00:27:04.105 --> 00:27:06.165
<00:27:04.105>Um, <00:27:04.571>you <00:27:05.038>don't <00:27:05.505>have

676
00:27:06.165 --> 00:27:08.565
<00:27:06.165>to <00:27:06.365>actually <00:27:06.565>put <00:27:06.764>everything <00:27:06.965>into <00:27:07.165>the <00:27:07.365>one <00:27:07.565>thing,

677
00:27:09.305 --> 00:27:11.525
<00:27:09.305>but <00:27:09.480>that <00:27:09.655>was <00:27:09.830>always <00:27:10.005>when <00:27:10.180>I <00:27:10.355>worked <00:27:10.530>on <00:27:10.705>Firefox

678
00:27:11.585 --> 00:27:14.085
<00:27:11.585>and <00:27:11.712>I <00:27:11.839>worked <00:27:11.966>on <00:27:12.094>Edge <00:27:12.221>as <00:27:12.348>well, <00:27:12.475>like, <00:27:12.603>people <00:27:12.730>were <00:27:12.857>always <00:27:12.985>like,

679
00:27:14.265 --> 00:27:16.325
<00:27:14.265>why <00:27:14.498>is <00:27:14.731>Chrome <00:27:14.965>like, <00:27:15.198>uh, <00:27:15.431>uh, <00:27:15.665>uh,

680
00:27:16.505 --> 00:27:19.485
<00:27:16.505>owning <00:27:16.660>the <00:27:16.816>browser <00:27:16.971>market <00:27:17.127>is <00:27:17.282>it's <00:27:17.438>really <00:27:17.593>the <00:27:17.749>best <00:27:17.905>browser.

681
00:27:19.545 --> 00:27:20.565
<00:27:19.545>And <00:27:19.728>you're <00:27:19.912>like, <00:27:20.095>yeah, <00:27:20.279>it <00:27:20.463>is.

682
00:27:20.585 --> 00:27:23.485
<00:27:20.585>But <00:27:20.740>mostly <00:27:20.896>it's <00:27:21.051>the <00:27:21.207>services <00:27:21.362>that <00:27:21.518>are <00:27:21.673>attached <00:27:21.829>to <00:27:21.985>it.

683
00:27:23.765 --> 00:27:25.325
<00:27:23.765>I <00:27:23.998>mean, <00:27:24.231>everybody <00:27:24.465>has <00:27:24.698>a <00:27:24.931>Gmail <00:27:25.165>account,

684
00:27:25.325 --> 00:27:26.845
<00:27:25.325>everybody <00:27:25.781>uses <00:27:26.237>Google <00:27:26.693>Maps

685
00:27:26.845 --> 00:27:28.045
<00:27:26.845>and <00:27:27.061>that's <00:27:27.277>why <00:27:27.493>they <00:27:27.709>use <00:27:27.925>Chrome,

686
00:27:28.045 --> 00:27:29.765
<00:27:28.045>which <00:27:28.245>is <00:27:28.445>the <00:27:28.645>browser <00:27:28.845>that <00:27:29.045>comes <00:27:29.245>with <00:27:29.445>those.

687
00:27:30.465 --> 00:27:33.485
<00:27:30.465>So <00:27:30.620>the <00:27:30.776>services <00:27:30.931>around <00:27:31.087>a <00:27:31.242>browser <00:27:31.398>were <00:27:31.553>the <00:27:31.709>one <00:27:31.865>thing

688
00:27:33.485 --> 00:27:35.205
<00:27:33.485>that <00:27:33.764>made <00:27:34.044>people <00:27:34.324>dependent <00:27:34.604>on <00:27:34.885>it.

689
00:27:35.285 --> 00:27:38.605
<00:27:35.285>I <00:27:35.412>mean, <00:27:35.539>I <00:27:35.666>have <00:27:35.794>I <00:27:35.921>think <00:27:36.048>14 <00:27:36.175>years <00:27:36.303>of <00:27:36.430>data <00:27:36.557>in <00:27:36.685>Gmail.

690
00:27:39.185 --> 00:27:41.485
<00:27:39.185>Before <00:27:39.325>that <00:27:39.465>I <00:27:39.605>had <00:27:39.745>like <00:27:39.885>nine <00:27:40.024>years <00:27:40.165>of <00:27:40.304>data <00:27:40.445>in <00:27:40.585>Yahoo.

691
00:27:42.185 --> 00:27:44.205
<00:27:42.185>And <00:27:42.385>it, <00:27:42.585>it, <00:27:42.784>it <00:27:42.985>always <00:27:43.185>feels <00:27:43.385>like, <00:27:43.585>okay,

692
00:27:44.565 --> 00:27:47.605
<00:27:44.565>I <00:27:44.692>mean <00:27:44.819>my <00:27:44.946>favorite <00:27:45.074>is <00:27:45.201>when <00:27:45.328>they <00:27:45.455>get <00:27:45.583>forced <00:27:45.710>to <00:27:45.837>allow <00:27:45.965>you

693
00:27:47.625 --> 00:27:49.325
<00:27:47.625>to <00:27:47.975>actually <00:27:48.325>export <00:27:48.675>your <00:27:49.025>data

694
00:27:49.345 --> 00:27:51.085
<00:27:49.345>and <00:27:49.578>it's <00:27:49.811>just <00:27:50.045>in <00:27:50.278>some <00:27:50.511>random <00:27:50.745>format.

695
00:27:51.595 --> 00:27:52.965
<00:27:51.595>Like <00:27:51.841>Twitter <00:27:52.088>was <00:27:52.334>the <00:27:52.581>great <00:27:52.828>example

696
00:27:52.965 --> 00:27:56.125
<00:27:52.965>with <00:27:53.120>the <00:27:53.276>Twitter <00:27:53.431>takeout <00:27:53.587>is <00:27:53.742>basically <00:27:53.898>a <00:27:54.053>random <00:27:54.209>HTML <00:27:54.365>page

697
00:27:56.125 --> 00:27:58.285
<00:27:56.125>that's <00:27:56.475>completely <00:27:56.825>tough <00:27:57.175>to <00:27:57.525>parse

698
00:27:58.745 --> 00:28:01.285
<00:27:58.745>and <00:27:58.885>you're <00:27:59.024>like, <00:27:59.165>well, <00:27:59.304>we <00:27:59.445>just, <00:27:59.584>by <00:27:59.725>law <00:27:59.864>we <00:28:00.004>allowed <00:28:00.145>you

699
00:28:01.285 --> 00:28:03.805
<00:28:01.285>to <00:28:01.425>export <00:28:01.565>it, <00:28:01.705>but <00:28:01.845>you <00:28:01.985>can <00:28:02.125>do <00:28:02.265>nothing <00:28:02.405>with <00:28:02.545>it <00:28:02.685>really.

700
00:28:07.505 --> 00:28:09.525
<00:28:07.505>So <00:28:07.705>yeah, <00:28:07.905>take <00:28:08.105>a <00:28:08.305>look <00:28:08.505>around <00:28:08.705>maybe <00:28:08.905>something,

701
00:28:09.525 --> 00:28:11.525
<00:28:09.525>maybe <00:28:09.725>hosting <00:28:09.925>your <00:28:10.125>own <00:28:10.325>images <00:28:10.525>works <00:28:10.725>as <00:28:10.925>well.

702
00:28:12.165 --> 00:28:13.685
<00:28:12.165>I <00:28:12.336>found <00:28:12.507>out <00:28:12.678>the <00:28:12.849>other <00:28:13.020>day <00:28:13.191>that <00:28:13.361>for <00:28:13.533>example,

703
00:28:13.715 --> 00:28:16.965
<00:28:13.715>when <00:28:13.870>you <00:28:14.026>use <00:28:14.181>Amazon <00:28:14.337>Prime, <00:28:14.492>you <00:28:14.648>have <00:28:14.803>unlimited <00:28:14.959>photo <00:28:15.115>storage.

704
00:28:17.205 --> 00:28:20.045
<00:28:17.205>I <00:28:17.360>didn't <00:28:17.516>know <00:28:17.671>that <00:28:17.827>this <00:28:17.982>is <00:28:18.138>a <00:28:18.293>thing. <00:28:18.449>Oh <00:28:18.605>wow.

705
00:28:20.795 --> 00:28:23.365
<00:28:20.795>Just, <00:28:20.950>yeah, <00:28:21.106>you <00:28:21.261>can <00:28:21.417>upload <00:28:21.572>your <00:28:21.728>photos <00:28:21.883>to <00:28:22.039>Amazon <00:28:22.195>Prime

706
00:28:23.385 --> 00:28:25.445
<00:28:23.385>as <00:28:23.501>well, <00:28:23.618>and <00:28:23.735>then <00:28:23.851>watch <00:28:23.968>them <00:28:24.085>on <00:28:24.201>your <00:28:24.318>tally <00:28:24.435>if <00:28:24.551>you <00:28:24.668>want <00:28:24.785>to.

707
00:28:25.585 --> 00:28:28.645
<00:28:25.585>So, <00:28:25.701>uh, <00:28:25.818>that <00:28:25.935>might <00:28:26.051>be <00:28:26.168>a <00:28:26.285>good <00:28:26.401>thing <00:28:26.518>just <00:28:26.635>to <00:28:26.751>have <00:28:26.868>a <00:28:26.985>copy

708
00:28:28.705 --> 00:28:30.845
<00:28:28.705>of <00:28:28.860>them <00:28:29.016>rather <00:28:29.171>than <00:28:29.327>just <00:28:29.482>a, <00:28:29.638>a <00:28:29.793>a <00:28:29.949>thing <00:28:30.105>there.

709
00:28:31.665 --> 00:28:34.965
<00:28:31.665>Now <00:28:31.792>one <00:28:31.919>thing <00:28:32.046>that <00:28:32.174>I <00:28:32.301>shock <00:28:32.428>Dan <00:28:32.555>with, <00:28:32.683>what's <00:28:32.810>this <00:28:32.937>one <00:28:33.065>here?

710
00:28:35.065 --> 00:28:37.245
<00:28:35.065>How <00:28:35.220>I <00:28:35.376>must <00:28:35.531>always <00:28:35.687>get <00:28:35.842>hacked <00:28:35.998>by <00:28:36.153>a <00:28:36.309>job <00:28:36.465>interview,

711
00:28:37.745 --> 00:28:39.245
<00:28:37.745>and <00:28:37.969>I <00:28:38.195>heard <00:28:38.419>about <00:28:38.645>these <00:28:38.870>things <00:28:39.094>before

712
00:28:39.305 --> 00:28:40.485
<00:28:39.305>and <00:28:39.482>then <00:28:39.659>you're <00:28:39.836>also <00:28:40.013>aware <00:28:40.189>of <00:28:40.367>them,

713
00:28:40.585 --> 00:28:41.885
<00:28:40.585>but <00:28:40.877>you <00:28:41.170>weren't <00:28:41.462>done <00:28:41.755>right?

714
00:28:41.885 --> 00:28:42.925
<00:28:41.885>Like, <00:28:42.119>what <00:28:42.353>was <00:28:42.587>that <00:28:42.821>about?

715
00:28:43.705 --> 00:28:46.605
<00:28:43.705>No, <00:28:43.879>the, <00:28:44.054>the, <00:28:44.230>the <00:28:44.405>level <00:28:44.580>of, <00:28:44.754>I <00:28:44.929>mean, <00:28:45.105>yeah,

716
00:28:46.625 --> 00:28:48.245
<00:28:46.625>I'd <00:28:46.825>heard <00:28:47.025>about <00:28:47.225>some <00:28:47.425>complex <00:28:47.625>sort <00:28:47.825>of <00:28:48.025>scams,

717
00:28:48.245 --> 00:28:49.365
<00:28:48.245>but <00:28:48.370>I <00:28:48.496>haven't <00:28:48.622>heard <00:28:48.749>of <00:28:48.875>one <00:28:49.001>that <00:28:49.127>was <00:28:49.253>so

718
00:28:49.365 --> 00:28:50.885
<00:28:49.365>well <00:28:49.707>executed <00:28:50.049>is <00:28:50.391>this <00:28:50.733>one.

719
00:28:50.985 --> 00:28:53.605
<00:28:50.985>Um, <00:28:51.092>so <00:28:51.200>to <00:28:51.308>give <00:28:51.415>you <00:28:51.523>a <00:28:51.631>sort <00:28:51.738>of <00:28:51.846>the, <00:28:51.954>the <00:28:52.061>bullet <00:28:52.169>points <00:28:52.277>of <00:28:52.385>it,

720
00:28:53.605 --> 00:28:56.685
<00:28:53.605>essentially <00:28:53.760>they'd <00:28:53.916>applied <00:28:54.071>for <00:28:54.227>a <00:28:54.382>job, <00:28:54.538>um, <00:28:54.693>they'd <00:28:54.849>found, <00:28:55.005>uh,

721
00:28:56.745 --> 00:29:00.085
<00:28:56.745>an <00:28:56.900>organization <00:28:57.056>or <00:28:57.211>a <00:28:57.367>person <00:28:57.522>on <00:28:57.678>LinkedIn <00:28:57.833>that, <00:28:57.989>that <00:28:58.145>appeared

722
00:29:00.085 --> 00:29:02.685
<00:29:00.085>to <00:29:00.240>be <00:29:00.396>the <00:29:00.551>chief <00:29:00.707>block <00:29:00.862>blockchain <00:29:01.018>officer <00:29:01.173>at <00:29:01.329>this <00:29:01.485>company.

723
00:29:02.915 --> 00:29:03.965
<00:29:02.915>They're <00:29:03.230>a <00:29:03.544>real <00:29:03.860>company.

724
00:29:04.155 --> 00:29:05.445
<00:29:04.155>They <00:29:04.320>had <00:29:04.486>a <00:29:04.652>real, <00:29:04.818>it's <00:29:04.984>got <00:29:05.150>in <00:29:05.316>the

725
00:29:05.525 --> 00:29:06.645
<00:29:05.525>headline, <00:29:05.777>the <00:29:06.029>real <00:29:06.281>LinkedIn <00:29:06.533>profile.

726
00:29:06.645 --> 00:29:07.725
<00:29:06.645>He <00:29:06.888>had <00:29:07.130>a <00:29:07.374>thousand <00:29:07.617>connections.

727
00:29:08.225 --> 00:29:11.165
<00:29:08.225>He <00:29:08.341>seems <00:29:08.458>to <00:29:08.574>be, <00:29:08.691>to <00:29:08.808>all <00:29:08.925>I <00:29:09.041>intents <00:29:09.158>and <00:29:09.274>purposes <00:29:09.391>a <00:29:09.508>real <00:29:09.625>person.

728
00:29:11.745 --> 00:29:14.765
<00:29:11.745>And <00:29:11.885>they'd <00:29:12.024>given <00:29:12.165>him <00:29:12.304>as <00:29:12.445>part <00:29:12.584>of <00:29:12.725>the, <00:29:12.864>uh, <00:29:13.004>interview <00:29:13.145>process,

729
00:29:15.005 --> 00:29:16.205
<00:29:15.005>a <00:29:15.185>kind <00:29:15.365>of <00:29:15.545>test <00:29:15.725>project <00:29:15.905>to <00:29:16.085>do.

730
00:29:16.505 --> 00:29:18.765
<00:29:16.505>And <00:29:16.645>it <00:29:16.785>was <00:29:16.925>very <00:29:17.065>small <00:29:17.205>scale. <00:29:17.345>It <00:29:17.485>was <00:29:17.625>around <00:29:17.765>30 <00:29:17.905>minutes.

731
00:29:18.985 --> 00:29:22.565
<00:29:18.985>Um, <00:29:19.125>and <00:29:19.264>they, <00:29:19.405>they, <00:29:19.544>they'd <00:29:19.685>rushed <00:29:19.824>it <00:29:19.965>in <00:29:20.104>effect, <00:29:20.245>which <00:29:20.385>meant

732
00:29:22.565 --> 00:29:23.565
<00:29:22.565>that <00:29:22.715>they <00:29:22.865>were <00:29:23.015>up <00:29:23.165>against <00:29:23.315>the <00:29:23.465>clock.

733
00:29:23.705 --> 00:29:26.285
<00:29:23.705>And <00:29:23.832>what <00:29:23.959>this <00:29:24.086>meant <00:29:24.214>was <00:29:24.341>that <00:29:24.468>they <00:29:24.595>had <00:29:24.723>to <00:29:24.850>submit <00:29:24.977>it, <00:29:25.105>uh,

734
00:29:26.315 --> 00:29:27.365
<00:29:26.315>very, <00:29:27.260>um,

735
00:29:27.595 --> 00:29:29.805
<00:29:27.595>very <00:29:27.735>quickly <00:29:27.875>towards <00:29:28.015>the, <00:29:28.155>you <00:29:28.295>know, <00:29:28.435>the <00:29:28.575>end <00:29:28.715>of <00:29:28.855>the <00:29:28.995>process.

736
00:29:30.145 --> 00:29:31.605
<00:29:30.145>And <00:29:30.407>in <00:29:30.670>the, <00:29:30.933>in <00:29:31.196>the <00:29:31.459>part

737
00:29:31.605 --> 00:29:34.925
<00:29:31.605>where <00:29:31.721>the <00:29:31.838>header <00:29:31.955>says <00:29:32.071>the <00:29:32.188>save <00:29:32.305>is <00:29:32.421>a <00:29:32.538>good, <00:29:32.655>um, <00:29:32.771>I, <00:29:32.888>I, <00:29:33.005>the,

738
00:29:35.105 --> 00:29:36.365
<00:29:35.105>the <00:29:35.267>kind <00:29:35.429>of <00:29:35.591>key <00:29:35.753>part, <00:29:35.915>'cause <00:29:36.077>they <00:29:36.239>say,

739
00:29:36.365 --> 00:29:37.605
<00:29:36.365>before <00:29:36.644>I <00:29:36.923>hit <00:29:37.202>NPM <00:29:37.481>start,

740
00:29:37.885 --> 00:29:39.725
<00:29:37.885>I <00:29:38.060>threw <00:29:38.235>this <00:29:38.410>prompt <00:29:38.585>at <00:29:38.760>my <00:29:38.935>AI <00:29:39.110>cursor <00:29:39.285>agent

741
00:29:39.725 --> 00:29:41.440
<00:29:39.725>where <00:29:39.899>they <00:29:40.074>essentially <00:29:40.250>said <00:29:40.425>before <00:29:40.600>I, <00:29:40.774>I <00:29:40.949>run <00:29:41.125>it,

742
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:42.810
<00:29:41.440>can <00:29:41.616>you <00:29:41.792>see <00:29:41.968>if <00:29:42.144>there's <00:29:42.320>any <00:29:42.496>suspicious <00:29:42.673>code?

743
00:29:42.955 --> 00:29:45.565
<00:29:42.955>Like <00:29:43.129>is <00:29:43.304>it <00:29:43.480>reading <00:29:43.655>any <00:29:43.830>files, <00:29:44.004>accessing <00:29:44.179>crypto <00:29:44.355>wallets?

744
00:29:45.945 --> 00:29:49.165
<00:29:45.945>And <00:29:46.072>it, <00:29:46.199>it <00:29:46.326>gave <00:29:46.454>them <00:29:46.581>this <00:29:46.708>little, <00:29:46.835>what <00:29:46.963>looks <00:29:47.090>like, <00:29:47.217>you <00:29:47.345>know,

745
00:29:49.165 --> 00:29:51.525
<00:29:49.165>some <00:29:49.445>kind <00:29:49.725>of, <00:29:50.004>um, <00:29:50.284>cookie <00:29:50.565>utility,

746
00:29:51.525 --> 00:29:52.645
<00:29:51.525>something <00:29:51.861>along <00:29:52.197>those <00:29:52.533>lines.

747
00:29:52.745 --> 00:29:55.445
<00:29:52.745>And <00:29:52.885>in <00:29:53.024>in <00:29:53.165>effect, <00:29:53.304>it, <00:29:53.445>it's, <00:29:53.584>um, <00:29:53.725>as <00:29:53.864>they've <00:29:54.004>got <00:29:54.145>underneath

748
00:29:55.745 --> 00:29:57.605
<00:29:55.745>as <00:29:56.211>obfuscated <00:29:56.678>sneaky <00:29:57.145>evil

749
00:29:57.665 --> 00:30:00.005
<00:29:57.665>and <00:29:58.131>100% <00:29:58.598>active <00:29:59.065>embedded

750
00:30:00.005 --> 00:30:02.925
<00:30:00.005>between <00:30:00.238>legitimate <00:30:00.471>admin <00:30:00.705>functions <00:30:00.938>ready <00:30:01.171>to <00:30:01.405>execute

751
00:30:02.925 --> 00:30:04.285
<00:30:02.925>with <00:30:03.333>full <00:30:03.741>server <00:30:04.149>privileges,

752
00:30:04.305 --> 00:30:06.365
<00:30:04.305>the <00:30:04.585>moment <00:30:04.865>admin <00:30:05.145>routes <00:30:05.425>were <00:30:05.705>accessed.

753
00:30:06.585 --> 00:30:09.125
<00:30:06.585>So <00:30:06.725>he <00:30:06.865>was, <00:30:07.005>he <00:30:07.145>was <00:30:07.285>really <00:30:07.425>a <00:30:07.565>click <00:30:07.705>away <00:30:07.845>from, <00:30:07.985>uh,

754
00:30:09.125 --> 00:30:12.005
<00:30:09.125>giving <00:30:09.325>them <00:30:09.525>access <00:30:09.725>to <00:30:09.925>absolutely <00:30:10.125>everything <00:30:10.325>and <00:30:10.525>anything.

755
00:30:12.465 --> 00:30:13.765
<00:30:12.465>And <00:30:12.757>I <00:30:13.050>was <00:30:13.342>blown <00:30:13.635>away

756
00:30:13.765 --> 00:30:15.205
<00:30:13.765>because <00:30:14.024>this <00:30:14.283>person <00:30:14.542>says <00:30:14.801>for <00:30:15.061>themselves,

757
00:30:15.665 --> 00:30:18.605
<00:30:15.665>I'm <00:30:15.945>extremely <00:30:16.225>skeptical, <00:30:16.504>I'm <00:30:16.784>extremely <00:30:17.065>difficult

758
00:30:18.605 --> 00:30:19.765
<00:30:18.605>to <00:30:18.813>kind <00:30:19.022>of, <00:30:19.231>uh, <00:30:19.440>wear <00:30:19.649>down.

759
00:30:19.785 --> 00:30:20.925
<00:30:19.785>You <00:30:19.931>know, <00:30:20.078>I <00:30:20.224>ask <00:30:20.371>a <00:30:20.517>lot <00:30:20.664>of <00:30:20.811>questions.

760
00:30:21.045 --> 00:30:22.605
<00:30:21.045>I <00:30:21.278>don't <00:30:21.511>just <00:30:21.745>throw <00:30:21.978>myself <00:30:22.211>into <00:30:22.445>things

761
00:30:23.025 --> 00:30:25.205
<00:30:23.025>and <00:30:23.305>they <00:30:23.585>still <00:30:23.865>nearly <00:30:24.145>got <00:30:24.425>him.

762
00:30:25.625 --> 00:30:27.645
<00:30:25.625>So, <00:30:25.858>um, <00:30:26.091>yeah, <00:30:26.325>it, <00:30:26.558>it <00:30:26.791>shocked <00:30:27.025>me

763
00:30:27.645 --> 00:30:30.165
<00:30:27.645>because <00:30:27.800>again, <00:30:27.956>it's <00:30:28.111>just <00:30:28.267>gonna <00:30:28.422>get <00:30:28.578>more <00:30:28.733>and <00:30:28.889>more <00:30:29.045>advanced.

764
00:30:30.385 --> 00:30:31.805
<00:30:30.385>And <00:30:30.567>when <00:30:30.750>we're <00:30:30.932>hearing <00:30:31.115>in <00:30:31.297>the <00:30:31.480>last <00:30:31.663>couple

765
00:30:31.805 --> 00:30:33.325
<00:30:31.805>of <00:30:32.147>weeks <00:30:32.489>about <00:30:32.831>telephone <00:30:33.173>scammers

766
00:30:33.385 --> 00:30:35.765
<00:30:33.385>and <00:30:33.585>how <00:30:33.785>they <00:30:33.985>can, <00:30:34.185>you <00:30:34.385>know, <00:30:34.585>copy <00:30:34.785>your,

767
00:30:35.765 --> 00:30:36.965
<00:30:35.765>your <00:30:36.305>grandmother's <00:30:36.845>voice

768
00:30:36.965 --> 00:30:39.245
<00:30:36.965>and <00:30:37.198>things <00:30:37.431>like <00:30:37.665>this, <00:30:37.898>it's <00:30:38.131>like <00:30:38.365>we're

769
00:30:39.245 --> 00:30:40.605
<00:30:39.245>getting <00:30:39.551>attacked <00:30:39.857>from <00:30:40.163>all <00:30:40.469>angles.

770
00:30:40.705 --> 00:30:41.885
<00:30:40.705>And <00:30:40.970>even <00:30:41.235>when <00:30:41.501>you're <00:30:41.767>technical,

771
00:30:41.885 --> 00:30:42.925
<00:30:41.885>you <00:30:42.072>can <00:30:42.259>still <00:30:42.446>get <00:30:42.633>called <00:30:42.821>out.

772
00:30:44.065 --> 00:30:45.905
<00:30:44.065>I <00:30:44.298>love <00:30:44.531>the <00:30:44.765>sneakiness <00:30:44.998>that <00:30:45.231>even <00:30:45.465>instead

773
00:30:45.905 --> 00:30:48.545
<00:30:45.905>of <00:30:46.060>just <00:30:46.216>calling <00:30:46.371>function, <00:30:46.527>they <00:30:46.682>do <00:30:46.838>a <00:30:46.993>new <00:30:47.149>function <00:30:47.305>require,

774
00:30:48.765 --> 00:30:51.505
<00:30:48.765>it <00:30:48.905>just <00:30:49.045>feels <00:30:49.185>like <00:30:49.325>off <00:30:49.465>over <00:30:49.605>the <00:30:49.745>top <00:30:49.885>to <00:30:50.025>a <00:30:50.165>degree.

775
00:30:52.205 --> 00:30:54.945
<00:30:52.205>But <00:30:52.360>yeah, <00:30:52.516>as <00:30:52.671>it's <00:30:52.827>the <00:30:52.982>same <00:30:53.138>with <00:30:53.293>like <00:30:53.449>PHP <00:30:53.605>things.

776
00:30:55.125 --> 00:30:58.025
<00:30:55.125>As <00:30:55.241>soon <00:30:55.358>as <00:30:55.475>you <00:30:55.591>see <00:30:55.708>like <00:30:55.825>lots <00:30:55.941>of <00:30:56.058>hex <00:30:56.175>codes, <00:30:56.291>uh, <00:30:56.408>in <00:30:56.525>there

777
00:30:58.085 --> 00:30:59.825
<00:30:58.085>and <00:30:58.365>actually <00:30:58.645>get <00:30:58.925>attached <00:30:59.205>to <00:30:59.485>something,

778
00:31:00.235 --> 00:31:01.665
<00:31:00.235>alarm <00:31:00.556>bells <00:31:00.878>should <00:31:01.200>get <00:31:01.522>off.

779
00:31:02.665 --> 00:31:06.125
<00:31:02.665>Uh, <00:31:02.840>but <00:31:03.014>yeah, <00:31:03.190>it's, <00:31:03.365>it, <00:31:03.540>it's <00:31:03.715>an <00:31:03.889>interesting <00:31:04.065>thing

780
00:31:06.125 --> 00:31:08.365
<00:31:06.125>that <00:31:06.325>it <00:31:06.525>becomes <00:31:06.725>like, <00:31:06.925>uh, <00:31:07.125>I <00:31:07.325>mean, <00:31:07.525>scamming

781
00:31:08.365 --> 00:31:09.445
<00:31:08.365>and <00:31:08.689>in <00:31:09.013>person <00:31:09.337>interviewing

782
00:31:09.445 --> 00:31:11.445
<00:31:09.445>for <00:31:09.620>a <00:31:09.794>job <00:31:09.970>feels <00:31:10.145>like <00:31:10.320>a <00:31:10.495>very <00:31:10.669>weird <00:31:10.845>target.

783
00:31:13.795 --> 00:31:18.405
<00:31:13.795>Yeah. <00:31:13.935>What <00:31:14.075>I <00:31:14.215>found <00:31:14.355>pretty <00:31:14.495>scary <00:31:14.635>with <00:31:14.775>this <00:31:14.915>article <00:31:15.055>was, <00:31:15.195>uh,

784
00:31:18.505 --> 00:31:20.485
<00:31:18.505>and <00:31:18.660>it <00:31:18.816>also <00:31:18.971>aligns <00:31:19.127>with <00:31:19.282>what, <00:31:19.438>what <00:31:19.593>you <00:31:19.749>were <00:31:19.905>saying

785
00:31:20.485 --> 00:31:23.565
<00:31:20.485>before <00:31:20.640>with <00:31:20.796>the <00:31:20.951>bots <00:31:21.107>on <00:31:21.262>Reddit <00:31:21.418>trying <00:31:21.573>to <00:31:21.729>get <00:31:21.885>credibility

786
00:31:23.635 --> 00:31:26.885
<00:31:23.635>that <00:31:23.810>they <00:31:23.985>had <00:31:24.160>this <00:31:24.335>whole <00:31:24.510>fake <00:31:24.685>person <00:31:24.860>on <00:31:25.035>LinkedIn

787
00:31:26.915 --> 00:31:30.325
<00:31:26.915>with <00:31:27.090>connections <00:31:27.264>and <00:31:27.440>postings <00:31:27.615>and <00:31:27.790>the <00:31:27.965>company <00:31:28.139>behind <00:31:28.315>it.

788
00:31:30.345 --> 00:31:33.285
<00:31:30.345>So <00:31:30.500>even <00:31:30.656>if <00:31:30.811>you <00:31:30.967>like, <00:31:31.122>try <00:31:31.278>to <00:31:31.433>look <00:31:31.589>it <00:31:31.745>up

789
00:31:33.425 --> 00:31:36.765
<00:31:33.425>and <00:31:33.600>see <00:31:33.774>is <00:31:33.950>this <00:31:34.125>credible, <00:31:34.300>you <00:31:34.475>are <00:31:34.649>still <00:31:34.825>fool

790
00:31:36.765 --> 00:31:38.805
<00:31:36.765>because <00:31:36.965>they <00:31:37.165>put <00:31:37.365>so <00:31:37.565>much <00:31:37.765>effort <00:31:37.965>into <00:31:38.165>that.

791
00:31:41.075 --> 00:31:43.815
<00:31:41.075>Yep. <00:31:41.308>So <00:31:41.541>if <00:31:41.775>you <00:31:42.008>see <00:31:42.241>numbers, <00:31:42.475>always,

792
00:31:43.915 --> 00:31:45.095
<00:31:43.915>always <00:31:44.269>worry <00:31:44.623>about <00:31:44.977>them.

793
00:31:45.195 --> 00:31:47.015
<00:31:45.195>But <00:31:45.475>yeah, <00:31:45.754>it's, <00:31:46.034>uh, <00:31:46.314>it's <00:31:46.595>interesting

794
00:31:47.015 --> 00:31:49.855
<00:31:47.015>that <00:31:47.215>like <00:31:47.415>even <00:31:47.615>hijacking <00:31:47.815>interview <00:31:48.015>questions <00:31:48.215>is, <00:31:48.415>uh,

795
00:31:49.855 --> 00:31:53.505
<00:31:49.855>is <00:31:50.030>an <00:31:50.205>attack <00:31:50.380>vector <00:31:50.555>now <00:31:50.730>Feels <00:31:50.905>odd, <00:31:51.080>but <00:31:51.255>Yeah.

796
00:31:54.375 --> 00:31:59.105
<00:31:54.375>Yeah. <00:31:54.575>Now <00:31:54.775>we <00:31:54.975>are <00:31:55.175>in <00:31:55.375>spooky <00:31:55.575>season <00:31:55.775>already

797
00:31:59.565 --> 00:32:02.945
<00:31:59.565>and <00:31:59.765>uh, <00:31:59.965>I <00:32:00.165>love <00:32:00.365>that <00:32:00.565>there's <00:32:00.765>a <00:32:00.965>trick

798
00:32:03.005 --> 00:32:06.185
<00:32:03.005>or <00:32:03.112>treat <00:32:03.220>by <00:32:03.328>Anna <00:32:03.435>Tuo <00:32:03.543>and, <00:32:03.651>uh, <00:32:03.758>we <00:32:03.866>should <00:32:03.974>get <00:32:04.081>her <00:32:04.189>on <00:32:04.297>the <00:32:04.405>show.

799
00:32:06.235 --> 00:32:08.545
<00:32:06.235>She's, <00:32:06.468>she's <00:32:06.701>absolutely <00:32:06.935>mental <00:32:07.168>when <00:32:07.401>it <00:32:07.635>comes

800
00:32:08.545 --> 00:32:10.465
<00:32:08.545>to <00:32:08.720>like <00:32:08.895>the <00:32:09.070>stuff <00:32:09.245>that <00:32:09.420>she <00:32:09.595>does <00:32:09.770>with <00:32:09.945>CSS,

801
00:32:10.465 --> 00:32:12.465
<00:32:10.465>but <00:32:10.605>I <00:32:10.745>love <00:32:10.885>that <00:32:11.024>you <00:32:11.165>got <00:32:11.304>the <00:32:11.445>trick <00:32:11.584>or <00:32:11.725>treat <00:32:11.865>trick

802
00:32:12.525 --> 00:32:16.225
<00:32:12.525>and <00:32:12.652>treat <00:32:12.779>Trick <00:32:12.906>X <00:32:13.034>or <00:32:13.161>Treat <00:32:13.288>trick <00:32:13.415>nor <00:32:13.543>treat <00:32:13.670>and <00:32:13.797>trick <00:32:13.925>nx

803
00:32:16.225 --> 00:32:17.425
<00:32:16.225>or <00:32:16.495>treat <00:32:16.764>and, <00:32:17.034>and <00:32:17.304>the,

804
00:32:18.205 --> 00:32:21.065
<00:32:18.205>and <00:32:18.405>yeah, <00:32:18.605>the <00:32:18.804>CSS <00:32:19.004>is <00:32:19.205>completely <00:32:19.405>unreadable <00:32:19.605>again

805
00:32:21.165 --> 00:32:23.585
<00:32:21.165>and <00:32:21.320>it's <00:32:21.476>just <00:32:21.631>wonderful <00:32:21.787>the <00:32:21.942>way <00:32:22.098>she <00:32:22.253>does <00:32:22.409>these <00:32:22.565>things.

806
00:32:24.405 --> 00:32:26.425
<00:32:24.405>But <00:32:24.605>I <00:32:24.805>love <00:32:25.004>that <00:32:25.205>somebody <00:32:25.405>makes <00:32:25.605>a <00:32:25.805>joke

807
00:32:26.425 --> 00:32:29.545
<00:32:26.425>and <00:32:26.552>then <00:32:26.679>puts <00:32:26.806>so <00:32:26.934>much <00:32:27.061>effort <00:32:27.188>in <00:32:27.315>she <00:32:27.443>doing <00:32:27.570>it <00:32:27.697>with <00:32:27.825>CSS

808
00:32:29.785 --> 00:32:31.985
<00:32:29.785>'cause <00:32:29.925>that's <00:32:30.065>been <00:32:30.205>around <00:32:30.345>as <00:32:30.485>an <00:32:30.625>image <00:32:30.765>for <00:32:30.905>quite <00:32:31.045>a <00:32:31.185>while.

809
00:32:32.825 --> 00:32:36.325
<00:32:32.825>But, <00:32:33.000>um, <00:32:33.175>yeah, <00:32:33.350>it's, <00:32:33.525>it's <00:32:33.700>interesting <00:32:33.875>to, <00:32:34.050>to <00:32:34.225>see

810
00:32:36.425 --> 00:32:38.165
<00:32:36.425>and <00:32:36.705>I <00:32:36.985>always <00:32:37.264>get <00:32:37.544>very <00:32:37.825>disappointed

811
00:32:38.365 --> 00:32:39.485
<00:32:38.365>'cause <00:32:38.533>I <00:32:38.701>can <00:32:38.869>do <00:32:39.037>things <00:32:39.205>like <00:32:39.372>that,

812
00:32:39.625 --> 00:32:41.405
<00:32:39.625>but <00:32:39.800>they <00:32:39.975>always <00:32:40.150>look <00:32:40.325>horrible <00:32:40.500>when <00:32:40.675>I <00:32:40.850>do <00:32:41.025>them.

813
00:32:41.505 --> 00:32:43.605
<00:32:41.505>And <00:32:41.680>she <00:32:41.855>makes <00:32:42.030>her <00:32:42.205>things <00:32:42.380>look <00:32:42.555>beautiful <00:32:42.730>as <00:32:42.905>well.

814
00:32:43.605 --> 00:32:45.285
<00:32:43.605>At <00:32:43.805>the <00:32:44.005>same <00:32:44.205>time. <00:32:44.405>That's <00:32:44.605>kind <00:32:44.805>of <00:32:45.005>unfair.

815
00:32:46.575 --> 00:32:49.235
<00:32:46.575>She <00:32:46.715>does <00:32:46.855>ginger <00:32:46.995>looking <00:32:47.135>at <00:32:47.275>that. <00:32:47.415>Some <00:32:47.555>of <00:32:47.695>that <00:32:47.835>as <00:32:47.975>well.

816
00:32:49.415 --> 00:32:52.195
<00:32:49.415>Um, <00:32:49.570>just <00:32:49.726>coming <00:32:49.881>from <00:32:50.037>like <00:32:50.192>a <00:32:50.348>video <00:32:50.503>background <00:32:50.659>that <00:32:50.815>those,

817
00:32:52.205 --> 00:32:55.035
<00:32:52.205>those <00:32:52.405>are <00:32:52.605>really <00:32:52.804>un <00:32:53.004>underestimated, <00:32:53.205>underused, <00:32:53.405>um, <00:32:53.605>kind

818
00:32:55.035 --> 00:32:58.835
<00:32:55.035>of <00:32:55.190>elements <00:32:55.346>of <00:32:55.501>CSS <00:32:55.657>that <00:32:55.812>things <00:32:55.968>like, <00:32:56.123>especially <00:32:56.279>the, <00:32:56.435>um,

819
00:32:58.925 --> 00:33:00.835
<00:32:58.925>mixed <00:32:59.205>blend <00:32:59.485>mode <00:32:59.764>and <00:33:00.044>blend <00:33:00.325>bones.

820
00:33:00.945 --> 00:33:04.555
<00:33:00.945>They're <00:33:01.120>really <00:33:01.294>sort <00:33:01.470>of <00:33:01.645>standard <00:33:01.820>everyday <00:33:01.995>meat <00:33:02.169>and <00:33:02.345>potatoes.

821
00:33:04.835 --> 00:33:07.235
<00:33:04.835>I <00:33:04.975>use <00:33:05.115>'em <00:33:05.255>every <00:33:05.395>day <00:33:05.535>if <00:33:05.675>I'm <00:33:05.815>using <00:33:05.955>Photoshop <00:33:06.095>or <00:33:06.235>Premier

822
00:33:07.455 --> 00:33:08.875
<00:33:07.455>or, <00:33:07.710>uh, <00:33:07.966>you <00:33:08.221>know, <00:33:08.477>after <00:33:08.733>effects.

823
00:33:09.215 --> 00:33:11.275
<00:33:09.215>And, <00:33:09.355>um, <00:33:09.495>and <00:33:09.635>again, <00:33:09.774>I <00:33:09.915>know <00:33:10.054>you <00:33:10.195>wanna <00:33:10.334>keep <00:33:10.475>your <00:33:10.615>sort

824
00:33:11.275 --> 00:33:12.995
<00:33:11.275>of <00:33:11.415>rendering <00:33:11.555>time <00:33:11.695>down <00:33:11.835>and <00:33:11.975>things <00:33:12.115>like <00:33:12.255>this, <00:33:12.395>so <00:33:12.535>it's <00:33:12.675>some,

825
00:33:12.995 --> 00:33:14.035
<00:33:12.995>sometimes <00:33:13.307>not <00:33:13.619>overdoing <00:33:13.931>it,

826
00:33:14.095 --> 00:33:17.275
<00:33:14.095>but <00:33:14.270>they're, <00:33:14.445>they're <00:33:14.620>really <00:33:14.795>nice, <00:33:14.970>you <00:33:15.145>know, <00:33:15.320>um, <00:33:15.495>effects

827
00:33:17.275 --> 00:33:18.995
<00:33:17.275>that <00:33:17.555>I <00:33:17.835>think <00:33:18.115>people <00:33:18.395>don't <00:33:18.675>actually

828
00:33:18.995 --> 00:33:20.275
<00:33:18.995>utilize <00:33:19.283>anywhere <00:33:19.571>near <00:33:19.859>as <00:33:20.147>much.

829
00:33:20.555 --> 00:33:22.075
<00:33:20.555>'cause <00:33:20.783>they're, <00:33:21.011>they're, <00:33:21.239>they're <00:33:21.467>kind <00:33:21.695>of <00:33:21.923>experimental

830
00:33:22.135 --> 00:33:24.395
<00:33:22.135>and <00:33:22.310>just <00:33:22.485>change <00:33:22.660>what <00:33:22.835>that <00:33:23.010>mixed <00:33:23.185>blend <00:33:23.360>mode <00:33:23.535>is.

831
00:33:24.535 --> 00:33:25.755
<00:33:24.535>See, <00:33:24.754>see <00:33:24.974>what <00:33:25.193>effect <00:33:25.413>you <00:33:25.633>get

832
00:33:25.775 --> 00:33:28.035
<00:33:25.775>and <00:33:25.915>see <00:33:26.055>if <00:33:26.195>it's <00:33:26.335>something <00:33:26.475>you <00:33:26.615>wouldn't <00:33:26.755>have <00:33:26.895>had <00:33:27.035>without <00:33:27.175>it.

833
00:33:28.155 --> 00:33:29.715
<00:33:28.155>I <00:33:28.330>think <00:33:28.504>people <00:33:28.680>should <00:33:28.855>use <00:33:29.030>them <00:33:29.205>more. <00:33:29.379>You <00:33:29.555>know,

834
00:33:30.345 --> 00:33:31.755
<00:33:30.345>There's <00:33:30.768>also <00:33:31.191>performance <00:33:31.614>issue.

835
00:33:31.755 --> 00:33:33.435
<00:33:31.755>Like <00:33:31.930>if <00:33:32.105>you <00:33:32.280>put <00:33:32.455>them <00:33:32.630>in <00:33:32.805>a <00:33:32.980>scrolling <00:33:33.155>interface,

836
00:33:33.815 --> 00:33:36.595
<00:33:33.815>you <00:33:33.970>can <00:33:34.126>really <00:33:34.281>see <00:33:34.437>your <00:33:34.592>around <00:33:34.748>being <00:33:34.903>eaten <00:33:35.059>really <00:33:35.215>quickly.

837
00:33:36.705 --> 00:33:39.515
<00:33:36.705>Yeah, <00:33:37.171>very <00:33:37.638>true. <00:33:38.105>Yeah.

838
00:33:39.585 --> 00:33:42.435
<00:33:39.585>It's, <00:33:39.740>I <00:33:39.896>mean, <00:33:40.051>when, <00:33:40.207>I <00:33:40.362>mean, <00:33:40.518>I <00:33:40.673>remember <00:33:40.829>like, <00:33:40.985>I,

839
00:33:42.465 --> 00:33:45.195
<00:33:42.465>when <00:33:42.665>I <00:33:42.865>started <00:33:43.064>PNGs <00:33:43.264>were <00:33:43.465>in <00:33:43.665>supporting <00:33:43.865>browsers

840
00:33:45.195 --> 00:33:47.595
<00:33:45.195>with <00:33:45.350>transparency, <00:33:45.506>so <00:33:45.661>I <00:33:45.817>was <00:33:45.972>like, <00:33:46.128>oh, <00:33:46.283>wow, <00:33:46.439>that's <00:33:46.595>thing

841
00:33:47.595 --> 00:33:48.715
<00:33:47.595>that's, <00:33:47.931>that's <00:33:48.267>possible <00:33:48.602>now.

842
00:33:48.715 --> 00:33:49.715
<00:33:48.715>That's <00:33:49.165>pretty <00:33:49.615>amazing.

843
00:33:50.775 --> 00:33:53.785
<00:33:50.775>Yeah. <00:33:51.125>Another <00:33:51.475>interesting <00:33:51.825>thing <00:33:52.175>is

844
00:33:53.785 --> 00:33:55.185
<00:33:53.785>that <00:33:54.100>somebody <00:33:54.415>took <00:33:54.730>the <00:33:55.045>effort

845
00:33:55.285 --> 00:33:58.865
<00:33:55.285>to <00:33:55.440>actually <00:33:55.596>take <00:33:55.751>the <00:33:55.907>Duke <00:33:56.062>Newcomb <00:33:56.218>game <00:33:56.373>for <00:33:56.529>N <00:33:56.685>64

846
00:33:59.165 --> 00:34:01.985
<00:33:59.165>and <00:33:59.365>uh, <00:33:59.565>uh, <00:33:59.764>de <00:33:59.965>compiled <00:34:00.165>the <00:34:00.365>whole <00:34:00.565>thing

847
00:34:02.005 --> 00:34:04.465
<00:34:02.005>and <00:34:02.132>makes <00:34:02.259>you <00:34:02.386>take <00:34:02.514>a <00:34:02.641>look <00:34:02.768>at <00:34:02.895>the <00:34:03.023>source <00:34:03.150>code <00:34:03.277>right <00:34:03.405>now.

848
00:34:04.765 --> 00:34:06.305
<00:34:04.765>And <00:34:04.919>that <00:34:05.073>seems <00:34:05.227>to <00:34:05.381>be <00:34:05.535>a <00:34:05.689>thing <00:34:05.843>that <00:34:05.997>a <00:34:06.151>lot

849
00:34:06.305 --> 00:34:07.625
<00:34:06.305>of <00:34:06.602>games <00:34:06.899>happening <00:34:07.196>right <00:34:07.493>now,

850
00:34:07.625 --> 00:34:10.745
<00:34:07.625>that <00:34:07.800>people <00:34:07.975>actually <00:34:08.150>take <00:34:08.324>old <00:34:08.500>games <00:34:08.675>that <00:34:08.850>ran <00:34:09.025>out

851
00:34:10.745 --> 00:34:13.185
<00:34:10.745>of <00:34:11.025>copyright <00:34:11.304>and <00:34:11.585>basically <00:34:11.864>just, <00:34:12.145>uh,

852
00:34:13.415 --> 00:34:15.225
<00:34:13.415>then <00:34:13.648>show <00:34:13.881>you <00:34:14.114>how <00:34:14.348>they've <00:34:14.581>been <00:34:14.815>built.

853
00:34:15.325 --> 00:34:16.785
<00:34:15.324>And <00:34:15.653>I <00:34:15.982>found <00:34:16.310>that <00:34:16.638>fascinating.

854
00:34:17.015 --> 00:34:18.625
<00:34:17.014>This <00:34:17.248>is <00:34:17.481>very <00:34:17.714>much <00:34:17.948>a <00:34:18.181>niche <00:34:18.415>audience,

855
00:34:18.685 --> 00:34:22.505
<00:34:18.685>but <00:34:18.824>like, <00:34:18.965>I <00:34:19.105>think <00:34:19.245>it's <00:34:19.384>still <00:34:19.525>interesting <00:34:19.665>that <00:34:19.804>we <00:34:19.945>have <00:34:20.085>GitHub

856
00:34:22.565 --> 00:34:25.225
<00:34:22.565>and <00:34:22.740>we <00:34:22.915>have <00:34:23.090>basically <00:34:23.264>people <00:34:23.440>to <00:34:23.615>just <00:34:23.790>do <00:34:23.965>that.

857
00:34:25.405 --> 00:34:28.505
<00:34:25.405>And, <00:34:25.532>uh, <00:34:25.659>I <00:34:25.786>mean, <00:34:25.914>to <00:34:26.041>me <00:34:26.168>that <00:34:26.295>was <00:34:26.423>always <00:34:26.550>the, <00:34:26.677>the, <00:34:26.805>uh,

858
00:34:28.645 --> 00:34:31.905
<00:34:28.645>the <00:34:28.784>idea <00:34:28.925>of <00:34:29.065>open <00:34:29.205>source <00:34:29.344>as <00:34:29.485>well, <00:34:29.625>like <00:34:29.764>make <00:34:29.905>everything <00:34:30.045>open

859
00:34:32.015 --> 00:34:33.225
<00:34:32.014>that <00:34:32.377>can <00:34:32.741>be <00:34:33.103>open

860
00:34:33.885 --> 00:34:35.225
<00:34:33.885>and <00:34:34.186>look <00:34:34.488>at <00:34:34.789>like, <00:34:35.091>well,

861
00:34:35.245 --> 00:34:36.945
<00:34:35.245>how <00:34:35.478>people <00:34:35.711>solve <00:34:35.944>problems <00:34:36.178>in <00:34:36.411>the <00:34:36.645>past.

862
00:34:37.885 --> 00:34:39.905
<00:34:37.885>Not <00:34:38.085>much <00:34:38.285>to <00:34:38.485>learn <00:34:38.685>from <00:34:38.885>that, <00:34:39.085>from <00:34:39.285>people

863
00:34:39.905 --> 00:34:42.385
<00:34:39.905>that <00:34:40.138>don't <00:34:40.371>do <00:34:40.605>like <00:34:40.838>N <00:34:41.071>64 <00:34:41.305>games,

864
00:34:42.525 --> 00:34:44.745
<00:34:42.525>but <00:34:42.758>I, <00:34:42.991>I <00:34:43.225>still <00:34:43.458>think <00:34:43.691>it's <00:34:43.925>fascinating

865
00:34:44.745 --> 00:34:45.905
<00:34:44.745>that <00:34:45.005>they <00:34:45.266>use <00:34:45.528>like <00:34:45.789>Docker

866
00:34:45.905 --> 00:34:49.145
<00:34:45.905>and <00:34:46.060>all <00:34:46.216>the <00:34:46.371>cool <00:34:46.527>stuff <00:34:46.682>to <00:34:46.838>actually <00:34:46.993>simulate <00:34:47.149>a <00:34:47.305>NA

867
00:34:49.265 --> 00:34:50.625
<00:34:49.264>Nintendo <00:34:49.672>64 <00:34:50.081>game <00:34:50.489>cube.

868
00:34:50.685 --> 00:34:53.825
<00:34:50.685>And <00:34:50.884>like, <00:34:51.085>it's, <00:34:51.284>it's <00:34:51.485>really <00:34:51.685>very, <00:34:51.884>very <00:34:52.085>detailed.

869
00:34:55.005 --> 00:34:58.185
<00:34:55.005>The <00:34:55.132>other <00:34:55.259>thing <00:34:55.386>that <00:34:55.514>Dan <00:34:55.641>was <00:34:55.768>very <00:34:55.895>excited <00:34:56.023>about <00:34:56.150>was <00:34:56.277>when <00:34:56.405>I

870
00:34:58.185 --> 00:35:01.145
<00:34:58.185>showed <00:34:58.340>you <00:34:58.496>this <00:34:58.651>one, <00:34:58.807>it's <00:34:58.962>basically <00:34:59.118>somebody <00:34:59.273>had <00:34:59.429>a <00:34:59.585>portfolio

871
00:35:01.295 --> 00:35:04.145
<00:35:01.295>that <00:35:01.495>looks <00:35:01.695>like <00:35:01.895>a, <00:35:02.095>uh, <00:35:02.295>an <00:35:02.495>XP <00:35:02.695>website.

872
00:35:06.145 --> 00:35:08.345
<00:35:06.145>I <00:35:06.272>think <00:35:06.399>it's <00:35:06.526>the <00:35:06.654>best <00:35:06.781>one. <00:35:06.908>Uh, <00:35:07.035>I <00:35:07.163>mean, <00:35:07.290>I <00:35:07.417>mean <00:35:07.545>that

873
00:35:08.525 --> 00:35:09.945
<00:35:08.525>as <00:35:09.164>it's, <00:35:09.803>yeah,

874
00:35:10.215 --> 00:35:12.425
<00:35:10.215>it's <00:35:10.355>probably <00:35:10.495>the <00:35:10.635>best <00:35:10.775>one <00:35:10.915>I've <00:35:11.055>seen <00:35:11.195>in <00:35:11.335>terms <00:35:11.475>of <00:35:11.615>execution.

875
00:35:12.605 --> 00:35:14.345
<00:35:12.605>Um, <00:35:12.805>Daniela, <00:35:13.005>have <00:35:13.205>you <00:35:13.405>checked <00:35:13.605>this <00:35:13.805>one <00:35:14.005>out?

876
00:35:14.345 --> 00:35:15.425
<00:35:14.345>What, <00:35:14.507>what <00:35:14.669>are <00:35:14.831>your <00:35:14.993>thoughts? <00:35:15.155>Have <00:35:15.317>they,

877
00:35:15.885 --> 00:35:16.885
<00:35:15.885>Is <00:35:16.185>it <00:35:16.485>accessible? <00:35:16.785>Have

878
00:35:16.885 --> 00:35:19.985
<00:35:16.885>I <00:35:17.118>I <00:35:17.351>I, <00:35:17.585>I <00:35:17.818>didn't <00:35:18.051>even <00:35:18.285>want

879
00:35:19.985 --> 00:35:21.865
<00:35:19.985>to <00:35:20.185>look <00:35:20.385>at <00:35:20.585>the <00:35:20.785>accessibility <00:35:20.985>factor <00:35:21.185>of <00:35:21.385>it,

880
00:35:21.965 --> 00:35:25.105
<00:35:21.965>but <00:35:22.092>I, <00:35:22.219>when <00:35:22.346>I <00:35:22.474>opened <00:35:22.601>it <00:35:22.728>yesterday, <00:35:22.855>I <00:35:22.983>spent, <00:35:23.110>I <00:35:23.237>don't <00:35:23.365>know,

881
00:35:25.105 --> 00:35:29.985
<00:35:25.105>20 <00:35:25.260>minutes <00:35:25.416>trying <00:35:25.571>all <00:35:25.727>the <00:35:25.882>options <00:35:26.038>and <00:35:26.193>dragging <00:35:26.349>around <00:35:26.505>files

882
00:35:30.205 --> 00:35:32.465
<00:35:30.205>and <00:35:30.485>frames <00:35:30.765>and <00:35:31.045>it, <00:35:31.325>it's <00:35:31.605>amazing.

883
00:35:33.055 --> 00:35:34.425
<00:35:33.055>It's, <00:35:33.363>the <00:35:33.671>detail <00:35:33.979>is <00:35:34.288>crazy.

884
00:35:36.805 --> 00:35:39.525
<00:35:36.805>Yeah. <00:35:36.980>I <00:35:37.154>mean <00:35:37.330>there's <00:35:37.504>been, <00:35:37.680>there's <00:35:37.855>been <00:35:38.029>CSS, <00:35:38.205>uh,

885
00:35:39.535 --> 00:35:41.965
<00:35:39.535>frameworks <00:35:39.710>to <00:35:39.884>do <00:35:40.060>that <00:35:40.234>kind <00:35:40.410>of <00:35:40.585>stuff <00:35:40.759>as <00:35:40.935>well

886
00:35:42.625 --> 00:35:45.685
<00:35:42.625>and <00:35:42.780>it <00:35:42.936>really <00:35:43.091>killed <00:35:43.247>my <00:35:43.402>double <00:35:43.558>view, <00:35:43.713>so <00:35:43.869>that's <00:35:44.025>interesting.

887
00:35:47.905 --> 00:35:50.205
<00:35:47.905>Oh, <00:35:48.255>no. <00:35:48.605>Oh <00:35:48.955>no. <00:35:49.305>Okay.

888
00:35:50.795 --> 00:35:52.845
<00:35:50.795>Yeah, <00:35:50.970>so <00:35:51.145>I, <00:35:51.320>I <00:35:51.495>mean, <00:35:51.670>it <00:35:51.845>it, <00:35:52.020>it's <00:35:52.195>interesting

889
00:35:52.845 --> 00:35:55.925
<00:35:52.845>that <00:35:52.961>people <00:35:53.078>see <00:35:53.194>this <00:35:53.311>as <00:35:53.428>like <00:35:53.544>a <00:35:53.661>cool <00:35:53.778>thing <00:35:53.895>to <00:35:54.011>have <00:35:54.128>right <00:35:54.245>now,

890
00:35:55.985 --> 00:35:57.285
<00:35:55.985>but <00:35:56.219>I <00:35:56.453>mean, <00:35:56.687>when <00:35:56.921>you <00:35:57.154>remember

891
00:35:57.485 --> 00:35:59.765
<00:35:57.485>that <00:35:57.660>was <00:35:57.835>the <00:35:58.010>only <00:35:58.185>operating <00:35:58.360>system <00:35:58.535>that <00:35:58.710>you <00:35:58.885>had,

892
00:35:59.915 --> 00:36:01.485
<00:35:59.915>then <00:36:00.148>the <00:36:00.381>loading <00:36:00.615>time <00:36:00.848>is <00:36:01.081>too <00:36:01.315>fast

893
00:36:01.485 --> 00:36:03.085
<00:36:01.485>that <00:36:01.718>they <00:36:01.951>actually <00:36:02.185>have <00:36:02.418>right <00:36:02.651>now <00:36:02.885>here.

894
00:36:03.585 --> 00:36:05.525
<00:36:03.585>So <00:36:03.725>I <00:36:03.865>think <00:36:04.005>that's <00:36:04.145>the <00:36:04.285>only <00:36:04.425>thing <00:36:04.565>they <00:36:04.705>didn't <00:36:04.845>do. <00:36:04.985>Right.

895
00:36:07.635 --> 00:36:09.605
<00:36:07.635>Very <00:36:07.835>true. <00:36:08.035>I <00:36:08.235>like <00:36:08.435>the <00:36:08.635>details <00:36:08.835>of <00:36:09.035>things,

896
00:36:09.605 --> 00:36:11.885
<00:36:09.605>like <00:36:09.745>they've <00:36:09.885>even <00:36:10.025>got <00:36:10.165>the <00:36:10.305>kind <00:36:10.445>of <00:36:10.585>pixel <00:36:10.725>grid, <00:36:10.865>you <00:36:11.005>know,

897
00:36:11.885 --> 00:36:13.165
<00:36:11.885>to <00:36:12.049>make <00:36:12.214>it <00:36:12.378>look <00:36:12.543>like <00:36:12.707>an <00:36:12.872>old <00:36:13.037>monitor.

898
00:36:13.825 --> 00:36:16.525
<00:36:13.825>Um, <00:36:14.000>even <00:36:14.174>that <00:36:14.350>level <00:36:14.524>of <00:36:14.700>detail <00:36:14.875>though, <00:36:15.049>I <00:36:15.225>had

899
00:36:16.525 --> 00:36:17.605
<00:36:16.525>to <00:36:16.646>do <00:36:16.768>a <00:36:16.889>bit <00:36:17.011>of <00:36:17.132>a <00:36:17.254>round <00:36:17.375>of <00:36:17.497>applause.

900
00:36:17.665 --> 00:36:18.925
<00:36:17.665>It <00:36:17.948>was, <00:36:18.232>it's <00:36:18.515>very <00:36:18.799>impressive.

901
00:36:21.955 --> 00:36:23.855
<00:36:21.955>And <00:36:22.130>the <00:36:22.305>sound <00:36:22.480>on <00:36:22.654>load <00:36:22.830>as <00:36:23.005>well, <00:36:23.180>you <00:36:23.355>know.

902
00:36:24.735 --> 00:36:27.755
<00:36:24.735>Cool. <00:36:25.201>Alright, <00:36:25.668>let's <00:36:26.135>hope

903
00:36:27.755 --> 00:36:29.875
<00:36:27.755>that <00:36:27.910>this <00:36:28.066>one <00:36:28.221>works <00:36:28.377>again <00:36:28.532>now <00:36:28.688>in <00:36:28.843>the <00:36:28.999>split <00:36:29.155>screen.

904
00:36:30.335 --> 00:36:33.955
<00:36:30.335>No, <00:36:30.510>I <00:36:30.685>kind <00:36:30.860>of <00:36:31.035>shot <00:36:31.210>my, <00:36:31.385>uh, <00:36:31.560>my <00:36:31.735>edge.

905
00:36:35.925 --> 00:36:36.925
<00:36:35.925>Interesting. <00:36:36.075>Oh, <00:36:36.225>we <00:36:36.375>can <00:36:36.525>see <00:36:36.675>it. <00:36:36.825>Something

906
00:36:36.925 --> 00:36:37.605
<00:36:36.925>to <00:36:37.537>file.

907
00:36:38.525 --> 00:36:43.345
<00:36:38.525>Um, <00:36:38.641>now <00:36:38.758>this <00:36:38.875>one <00:36:38.991>I've <00:36:39.108>just <00:36:39.225>used, <00:36:39.341>uh, <00:36:39.458>uh, <00:36:39.575>for <00:36:39.691>quite <00:36:39.808>a <00:36:39.925>while.

908
00:36:43.685 --> 00:36:46.345
<00:36:43.685>Uh, <00:36:43.840>and <00:36:43.996>again, <00:36:44.151>it's <00:36:44.307>going <00:36:44.462>with <00:36:44.618>the <00:36:44.773>theme <00:36:44.929>of, <00:36:45.085>uh,

909
00:36:46.445 --> 00:36:50.585
<00:36:46.445>of <00:36:46.600>Halloween <00:36:46.756>bat <00:36:46.911>is <00:36:47.067>actually, <00:36:47.222>uh, <00:36:47.378>uh, <00:36:47.533>uh, <00:36:47.689>a <00:36:47.845>replacement

910
00:36:50.585 --> 00:36:53.585
<00:36:50.585>for <00:36:50.760>cat, <00:36:50.935>uh, <00:36:51.110>like <00:36:51.285>catalog, <00:36:51.460>uh, <00:36:51.635>uh, <00:36:51.810>uni <00:36:51.985>command.

911
00:36:54.045 --> 00:36:55.705
<00:36:54.045>And <00:36:54.220>what <00:36:54.395>I <00:36:54.570>love <00:36:54.745>a <00:36:54.920>love <00:36:55.095>about <00:36:55.270>it <00:36:55.445>is

912
00:36:55.705 --> 00:36:57.865
<00:36:55.705>that <00:36:55.904>it <00:36:56.105>actually <00:36:56.305>gives <00:36:56.505>you, <00:36:56.705>uh, <00:36:56.904>line <00:36:57.105>numbers

913
00:36:58.205 --> 00:36:59.465
<00:36:58.205>and <00:36:58.431>it <00:36:58.658>gives <00:36:58.885>you <00:36:59.112>color <00:36:59.339>coding.

914
00:36:59.925 --> 00:37:02.585
<00:36:59.925>So <00:37:00.080>if <00:37:00.236>you <00:37:00.391>actually <00:37:00.547>just <00:37:00.702>wanna <00:37:00.858>look <00:37:01.013>at <00:37:01.169>some <00:37:01.325>HTML

915
00:37:03.085 --> 00:37:05.865
<00:37:03.085>or <00:37:03.260>look <00:37:03.435>at <00:37:03.610>some <00:37:03.785>markdown <00:37:03.960>file <00:37:04.135>in <00:37:04.310>your <00:37:04.485>terminal

916
00:37:06.005 --> 00:37:09.265
<00:37:06.005>and <00:37:06.145>you <00:37:06.285>basically <00:37:06.425>just, <00:37:06.565>uh, <00:37:06.705>uh, <00:37:06.845>just <00:37:06.985>wanna <00:37:07.125>get <00:37:07.265>an <00:37:07.405>insight,

917
00:37:09.265 --> 00:37:11.505
<00:37:09.265>you <00:37:09.392>normally <00:37:09.519>do <00:37:09.646>a <00:37:09.774>catch <00:37:09.901>just <00:37:10.028>to <00:37:10.155>see <00:37:10.283>what <00:37:10.410>the <00:37:10.537>output <00:37:10.665>is.

918
00:37:11.765 --> 00:37:13.785
<00:37:11.765>But <00:37:11.940>this <00:37:12.115>one <00:37:12.290>gives <00:37:12.464>more <00:37:12.640>colorful <00:37:12.815>things <00:37:12.990>in <00:37:13.165>there.

919
00:37:13.785 --> 00:37:15.025
<00:37:13.785>It's <00:37:14.343>completely <00:37:14.901>hackable.

920
00:37:15.285 --> 00:37:17.745
<00:37:15.285>It <00:37:15.518>supports <00:37:15.751>every <00:37:15.984>Linux <00:37:16.218>distribution <00:37:16.451>out <00:37:16.685>there.

921
00:37:18.725 --> 00:37:22.945
<00:37:18.725>And, <00:37:18.852>uh, <00:37:18.979>you <00:37:19.106>can <00:37:19.234>also <00:37:19.361>just, <00:37:19.488>uh, <00:37:19.615>alias <00:37:19.743>the <00:37:19.870>cat <00:37:19.997>two <00:37:20.125>bats

922
00:37:23.005 --> 00:37:25.225
<00:37:23.005>and <00:37:23.205>that <00:37:23.405>one <00:37:23.605>would <00:37:23.805>give <00:37:24.005>you <00:37:24.205>that <00:37:24.405>functionality.

923
00:37:25.885 --> 00:37:28.265
<00:37:25.885>And <00:37:26.012>Cat <00:37:26.139>is, <00:37:26.266>I <00:37:26.394>think, <00:37:26.521>under <00:37:26.648>use <00:37:26.775>by <00:37:26.903>a <00:37:27.030>lot <00:37:27.157>of <00:37:27.285>people

924
00:37:28.265 --> 00:37:29.745
<00:37:28.265>that <00:37:28.709>actually, <00:37:29.153>uh, <00:37:29.596>instead

925
00:37:29.745 --> 00:37:30.905
<00:37:29.745>of <00:37:29.919>just <00:37:30.093>opening <00:37:30.267>things <00:37:30.441>in <00:37:30.615>the <00:37:30.789>browser

926
00:37:30.905 --> 00:37:32.705
<00:37:30.905>and <00:37:31.138>waiting <00:37:31.371>for <00:37:31.605>hours <00:37:31.838>to <00:37:32.071>actually <00:37:32.305>load,

927
00:37:32.975 --> 00:37:35.985
<00:37:32.975>just <00:37:33.091>doing <00:37:33.208>a <00:37:33.325>cat <00:37:33.441>on <00:37:33.558>the <00:37:33.674>terminal <00:37:33.791>to <00:37:33.908>see <00:37:34.025>what <00:37:34.141>the <00:37:34.258>output <00:37:34.375>is,

928
00:37:36.525 --> 00:37:38.585
<00:37:36.525>is <00:37:36.700>a <00:37:36.875>very, <00:37:37.050>very <00:37:37.225>simple <00:37:37.400>thing <00:37:37.575>of <00:37:37.750>doing <00:37:37.925>it.

929
00:37:39.365 --> 00:37:41.905
<00:37:39.365>And <00:37:39.520>I <00:37:39.676>remember, <00:37:39.831>I, <00:37:39.987>I <00:37:40.142>was <00:37:40.298>a <00:37:40.453>bad, <00:37:40.609>uh, <00:37:40.765>uh,

930
00:37:42.385 --> 00:37:43.865
<00:37:42.385>I <00:37:42.718>remember <00:37:43.051>long <00:37:43.384>time <00:37:43.716>ago.

931
00:37:45.255 --> 00:37:46.955
<00:37:45.255>That's <00:37:45.455>also <00:37:45.655>a <00:37:45.855>thing, <00:37:46.055>like <00:37:46.255>if <00:37:46.455>you, <00:37:46.655>uh,

932
00:37:46.955 --> 00:37:48.995
<00:37:46.955>if <00:37:47.110>you <00:37:47.266>wanna <00:37:47.421>brighten <00:37:47.577>the <00:37:47.732>day <00:37:47.888>of <00:37:48.043>your <00:37:48.199>favorite <00:37:48.355>developer,

933
00:37:48.995 --> 00:37:52.195
<00:37:48.995>you <00:37:49.111>can <00:37:49.228>go <00:37:49.345>to <00:37:49.461>the <00:37:49.578>terminal <00:37:49.694>and <00:37:49.811>do <00:37:49.928>Alias <00:37:50.045>Cat <00:37:50.161>and <00:37:50.278>an <00:37:50.395>Echo

934
00:37:52.255 --> 00:37:54.675
<00:37:52.255>and <00:37:52.535>an <00:37:52.815>an <00:37:53.095>askie <00:37:53.375>cat <00:37:53.655>out.

935
00:37:54.855 --> 00:37:57.915
<00:37:54.855>So <00:37:55.010>that's <00:37:55.166>actually <00:37:55.321>how <00:37:55.477>to <00:37:55.632>break <00:37:55.788>somebody's <00:37:55.943>experience <00:37:56.099>in <00:37:56.255>a,

936
00:37:57.915 --> 00:37:59.915
<00:37:57.915>in <00:37:58.090>a <00:37:58.265>funny <00:37:58.440>way, <00:37:58.615>if <00:37:58.790>you <00:37:58.965>wanna <00:37:59.140>have <00:37:59.315>some

937
00:37:59.935 --> 00:38:00.955
<00:37:59.935>fun <00:38:00.241>with <00:38:00.547>your <00:38:00.853>colleagues.

938
00:38:01.655 --> 00:38:03.075
<00:38:01.655>But <00:38:01.910>that's <00:38:02.166>something <00:38:02.421>to <00:38:02.677>try <00:38:02.933>out.

939
00:38:03.135 --> 00:38:04.475
<00:38:03.135>Uh, <00:38:03.307>I've <00:38:03.479>used <00:38:03.651>it <00:38:03.824>for <00:38:03.996>quite <00:38:04.168>a <00:38:04.341>while.

940
00:38:04.535 --> 00:38:07.035
<00:38:04.535>I'm <00:38:04.734>very <00:38:04.935>excited <00:38:05.134>about <00:38:05.335>it. <00:38:05.535>And, <00:38:05.734>uh, <00:38:05.935>now

941
00:38:07.545 --> 00:38:11.235
<00:38:07.545>type <00:38:07.700>scale <00:38:07.856>generator, <00:38:08.011>I <00:38:08.167>have <00:38:08.322>no <00:38:08.478>clue <00:38:08.633>about <00:38:08.789>that <00:38:08.945>stuff.

942
00:38:11.495 --> 00:38:14.875
<00:38:11.495>And <00:38:11.650>probably <00:38:11.806>Daniella <00:38:11.961>or <00:38:12.117>Dan, <00:38:12.272>you <00:38:12.428>know, <00:38:12.583>more <00:38:12.739>about <00:38:12.895>that.

943
00:38:18.065 --> 00:38:20.355
<00:38:18.065>Perfect. <00:38:18.240>Daniella, <00:38:18.415>and <00:38:18.590>if <00:38:18.765>you're <00:38:18.940>comfortable <00:38:19.115>with <00:38:19.290>it, <00:38:19.465>or,

944
00:38:22.035 --> 00:38:24.875
<00:38:22.035>I <00:38:22.162>mean, <00:38:22.289>it's, <00:38:22.416>it <00:38:22.544>feels <00:38:22.671>to <00:38:22.798>me <00:38:22.925>like <00:38:23.053>always <00:38:23.180>like <00:38:23.307>a, <00:38:23.435>a,

945
00:38:24.995 --> 00:38:28.875
<00:38:24.995>a <00:38:25.111>very, <00:38:25.228>uh, <00:38:25.345>uh, <00:38:25.461>a <00:38:25.578>very, <00:38:25.694>like, <00:38:25.811>let's <00:38:25.928>make <00:38:26.045>sure <00:38:26.161>that <00:38:26.278>our, <00:38:26.395>uh,

946
00:38:28.875 --> 00:38:32.155
<00:38:28.875>that <00:38:29.155>our, <00:38:29.435>uh, <00:38:29.715>topography <00:38:29.995>is <00:38:30.275>good,

947
00:38:32.615 --> 00:38:35.550
<00:38:32.615>but <00:38:32.754>a <00:38:32.895>lot <00:38:33.035>of <00:38:33.174>these <00:38:33.314>things <00:38:33.455>have <00:38:33.595>accessibility <00:38:33.734>issues <00:38:33.875>in <00:38:34.015>terms

948
00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:37.125
<00:38:35.550>of <00:38:35.783>not <00:38:36.016>allowing <00:38:36.250>you <00:38:36.483>to <00:38:36.716>resize, <00:38:36.950>right?

949
00:38:38.665 --> 00:38:40.645
<00:38:38.665>It, <00:38:38.781>it, <00:38:38.898>it, <00:38:39.015>it's <00:38:39.131>a <00:38:39.248>bit <00:38:39.365>of <00:38:39.481>a <00:38:39.598>bug <00:38:39.715>bear <00:38:39.831>for <00:38:39.948>me, <00:38:40.065>really,

950
00:38:40.645 --> 00:38:42.045
<00:38:40.645>because <00:38:40.825>I've <00:38:41.005>got <00:38:41.185>this, <00:38:41.365>this <00:38:41.545>sort <00:38:41.725>of <00:38:41.905>theory

951
00:38:42.045 --> 00:38:43.085
<00:38:42.045>around <00:38:42.357>like <00:38:42.669>font <00:38:42.981>sizing

952
00:38:43.225 --> 00:38:46.365
<00:38:43.225>and <00:38:43.365>it's <00:38:43.505>the, <00:38:43.645>the <00:38:43.785>more <00:38:43.924>trendy, <00:38:44.065>um, <00:38:44.205>that <00:38:44.345>you <00:38:44.485>want <00:38:44.625>your,

953
00:38:46.395 --> 00:38:47.685
<00:38:46.395>your <00:38:46.627>business <00:38:46.859>to <00:38:47.091>come <00:38:47.323>across <00:38:47.556>as.

954
00:38:47.685 --> 00:38:49.485
<00:38:47.685>Now <00:38:47.860>what <00:38:48.035>I'm <00:38:48.210>thinking <00:38:48.384>here <00:38:48.560>is <00:38:48.735>picture <00:38:48.910>your <00:38:49.085>sort

955
00:38:49.485 --> 00:38:52.205
<00:38:49.485>of <00:38:49.765>average <00:38:50.045>Squarespace, <00:38:50.325>um, <00:38:50.605>portfolio <00:38:50.885>site

956
00:38:52.205 --> 00:38:54.205
<00:38:52.205>that <00:38:52.438>you <00:38:52.671>see <00:38:52.904>very <00:38:53.138>trendy, <00:38:53.371>very <00:38:53.605>modern,

957
00:38:54.205 --> 00:38:55.285
<00:38:54.205>something <00:38:54.691>really <00:38:55.176>niche.

958
00:38:55.465 --> 00:38:59.405
<00:38:55.465>And <00:38:55.640>they <00:38:55.815>will <00:38:55.990>usually <00:38:56.165>go <00:38:56.340>with <00:38:56.515>really <00:38:56.690>bad, <00:38:56.865>um,

959
00:38:59.715 --> 00:39:03.405
<00:38:59.715>type <00:38:59.855>scaling <00:38:59.995>as <00:39:00.135>in <00:39:00.275>just <00:39:00.415>a <00:39:00.555>giant <00:39:00.695>oversized, <00:39:00.835>you <00:39:00.975>know, <00:39:01.115>kind

960
00:39:03.405 --> 00:39:07.325
<00:39:03.405>of <00:39:03.545>neo <00:39:03.685>brutalist <00:39:03.825>a <00:39:03.965>million, <00:39:04.105>uh, <00:39:04.245>pixels <00:39:04.385>si <00:39:04.525>in <00:39:04.665>size, <00:39:04.805>uh,

961
00:39:07.325 --> 00:39:09.845
<00:39:07.325>header, <00:39:07.558>and <00:39:07.791>then <00:39:08.024>something <00:39:08.258>really <00:39:08.491>small <00:39:08.725>underneath,

962
00:39:09.845 --> 00:39:11.445
<00:39:09.845>because <00:39:10.078>they're <00:39:10.311>almost <00:39:10.544>trying <00:39:10.778>to <00:39:11.011>play <00:39:11.245>with

963
00:39:11.445 --> 00:39:12.765
<00:39:11.445>that <00:39:11.742>idea <00:39:12.039>of, <00:39:12.336>of <00:39:12.633>scaling.

964
00:39:13.145 --> 00:39:14.645
<00:39:13.145>And <00:39:13.415>I <00:39:13.685>find <00:39:13.955>it <00:39:14.225>really <00:39:14.495>difficult

965
00:39:14.645 --> 00:39:18.005
<00:39:14.645>because <00:39:14.800>I, <00:39:14.956>I <00:39:15.111>only <00:39:15.267>realized <00:39:15.422>then <00:39:15.578>how, <00:39:15.733>how <00:39:15.889>much, <00:39:16.045>how,

966
00:39:18.305 --> 00:39:20.285
<00:39:18.305>how <00:39:18.585>led <00:39:18.865>I <00:39:19.145>am <00:39:19.424>by <00:39:19.705>hierarchy

967
00:39:20.625 --> 00:39:22.725
<00:39:20.625>and <00:39:20.780>that, <00:39:20.936>you <00:39:21.091>know, <00:39:21.247>if <00:39:21.402>something <00:39:21.558>doesn't <00:39:21.713>have <00:39:21.869>a <00:39:22.025>clear

968
00:39:22.755 --> 00:39:24.845
<00:39:22.755>hierarchy <00:39:22.930>in <00:39:23.105>terms <00:39:23.280>of <00:39:23.455>its <00:39:23.630>sizing <00:39:23.805>on <00:39:23.980>the <00:39:24.155>screen,

969
00:39:25.485 --> 00:39:27.645
<00:39:25.485>I <00:39:25.660>I <00:39:25.835>definitely <00:39:26.010>will <00:39:26.185>read <00:39:26.360>the <00:39:26.535>biggest <00:39:26.710>thing <00:39:26.885>first

970
00:39:27.785 --> 00:39:30.085
<00:39:27.785>and <00:39:27.940>then <00:39:28.096>it <00:39:28.251>will <00:39:28.407>read <00:39:28.562>in <00:39:28.718>a <00:39:28.873>strange <00:39:29.029>way, <00:39:29.185>like,

971
00:39:30.085 --> 00:39:31.445
<00:39:30.085>you're <00:39:30.391>reading <00:39:30.697>the <00:39:31.003>subheading <00:39:31.309>first.

972
00:39:32.105 --> 00:39:34.485
<00:39:32.105>So <00:39:32.260>I <00:39:32.416>think <00:39:32.571>this <00:39:32.727>stuff's <00:39:32.882>really <00:39:33.038>important <00:39:33.193>because <00:39:33.349>it's <00:39:33.505>meat

973
00:39:34.485 --> 00:39:35.485
<00:39:34.485>and <00:39:34.935>potatoes <00:39:35.385>design.

974
00:39:35.485 --> 00:39:38.125
<00:39:35.485>I've <00:39:35.625>used <00:39:35.765>that <00:39:35.905>phrase <00:39:36.045>twice, <00:39:36.185>but <00:39:36.325>it's <00:39:36.465>like <00:39:36.605>the, <00:39:36.745>the <00:39:36.885>least

975
00:39:38.685 --> 00:39:41.365
<00:39:38.685>exciting <00:39:38.884>thing <00:39:39.085>about <00:39:39.285>designing <00:39:39.485>your <00:39:39.685>font <00:39:39.884>sizing <00:39:40.085>is,

976
00:39:41.505 --> 00:39:44.165
<00:39:41.505>is <00:39:41.680>picking <00:39:41.855>like <00:39:42.030>a <00:39:42.205>predefined <00:39:42.380>scale <00:39:42.555>scale <00:39:42.730>for <00:39:42.905>you.

977
00:39:44.465 --> 00:39:45.685
<00:39:44.465>But <00:39:44.621>I <00:39:44.778>think <00:39:44.935>it's <00:39:45.092>there <00:39:45.249>for <00:39:45.406>a <00:39:45.563>reason

978
00:39:46.465 --> 00:39:47.645
<00:39:46.465>and <00:39:46.642>it <00:39:46.819>might <00:39:46.996>not <00:39:47.173>look <00:39:47.350>as <00:39:47.527>cool,

979
00:39:47.645 --> 00:39:49.125
<00:39:47.645>but <00:39:47.911>it's <00:39:48.177>gonna <00:39:48.444>be <00:39:48.710>more <00:39:48.977>useful.

980
00:39:50.455 --> 00:39:53.995
<00:39:50.455>Hmm. <00:39:50.595>I <00:39:50.735>mean, <00:39:50.875>clamp <00:39:51.015>has, <00:39:51.154>has <00:39:51.295>had <00:39:51.435>a <00:39:51.575>bad <00:39:51.715>record, <00:39:51.855>uh,

981
00:39:54.075 --> 00:39:56.355
<00:39:54.075>a <00:39:54.308>bad <00:39:54.541>reputation <00:39:54.774>in <00:39:55.008>the <00:39:55.241>accessibility <00:39:55.475>world,

982
00:39:56.675 --> 00:39:57.915
<00:39:56.675>Daniella, <00:39:57.047>don't <00:39:57.419>you <00:39:57.791>agree?

983
00:39:57.915 --> 00:40:02.665
<00:39:57.915>Like, <00:39:58.115>'cause <00:39:58.315>it <00:39:58.515>allows <00:39:58.715>people <00:39:58.915>to <00:39:59.115>set <00:39:59.315>limits

984
00:40:02.775 --> 00:40:04.065
<00:40:02.775>that <00:40:03.065>probably <00:40:03.355>shouldn't <00:40:03.645>be <00:40:03.936>there.

985
00:40:05.975 --> 00:40:09.745
<00:40:05.975>Yeah, <00:40:06.115>yeah. <00:40:06.255>I, <00:40:06.395>I, <00:40:06.535>I <00:40:06.674>am <00:40:06.815>not <00:40:06.955>quite <00:40:07.095>sure <00:40:07.235>about <00:40:07.375>that.

986
00:40:09.815 --> 00:40:13.265
<00:40:09.815>I've <00:40:09.955>seen <00:40:10.095>it <00:40:10.235>used <00:40:10.375>often <00:40:10.515>and <00:40:10.655>in <00:40:10.795>cases <00:40:10.935>where <00:40:11.075>it <00:40:11.215>worked,

987
00:40:13.405 --> 00:40:16.265
<00:40:13.405>but <00:40:13.545>I, <00:40:13.685>I <00:40:13.825>can <00:40:13.965>imagine <00:40:14.105>that <00:40:14.245>if <00:40:14.385>you <00:40:14.525>limit <00:40:14.665>the <00:40:14.805>size

988
00:40:16.325 --> 00:40:18.985
<00:40:16.325>and <00:40:16.558>if <00:40:16.791>it's, <00:40:17.024>it <00:40:17.258>starts <00:40:17.491>very <00:40:17.725>small,

989
00:40:19.015 --> 00:40:20.505
<00:40:19.015>then <00:40:19.238>this <00:40:19.462>could <00:40:19.685>be <00:40:19.909>an <00:40:20.132>issue <00:40:20.356>quickly.

990
00:40:21.865 --> 00:40:26.305
<00:40:21.865>Hmm. <00:40:22.040>Okay. <00:40:22.214>Let's <00:40:22.390>talk <00:40:22.564>about <00:40:22.740>some <00:40:22.915>more <00:40:23.089>accessibility <00:40:23.265>bits.

991
00:40:26.305 --> 00:40:27.465
<00:40:26.305>Let's <00:40:26.566>skip <00:40:26.827>the <00:40:27.088>other <00:40:27.349>bits.

992
00:40:27.465 --> 00:40:29.905
<00:40:27.465>Syntax <00:40:27.698>highlighting, <00:40:27.931>there's <00:40:28.165>an <00:40:28.398>interesting <00:40:28.631>article <00:40:28.865>about

993
00:40:29.925 --> 00:40:32.385
<00:40:29.925>how <00:40:30.080>people <00:40:30.236>get <00:40:30.391>that <00:40:30.547>wrong <00:40:30.702>by <00:40:30.858>using <00:40:31.013>too <00:40:31.169>much <00:40:31.325>color.

994
00:40:32.415 --> 00:40:33.665
<00:40:32.415>It's <00:40:32.696>actually <00:40:32.977>an <00:40:33.258>accessibility <00:40:33.540>thing.

995
00:40:33.665 --> 00:40:36.665
<00:40:33.665>Let's <00:40:33.865>talk <00:40:34.065>about <00:40:34.265>it <00:40:34.465>quickly. <00:40:34.665>Uh, <00:40:34.865>uh, <00:40:35.065>basically

996
00:40:37.285 --> 00:40:40.265
<00:40:37.285>he <00:40:37.424>talked <00:40:37.565>about <00:40:37.705>that, <00:40:37.845>like, <00:40:37.984>that <00:40:38.125>there's <00:40:38.265>like, <00:40:38.404>yeah, <00:40:38.545>a <00:40:38.685>lot

997
00:40:40.265 --> 00:40:42.145
<00:40:40.265>of <00:40:40.615>like <00:40:40.964>syntax <00:40:41.315>highlighting <00:40:41.665>themes,

998
00:40:42.295 --> 00:40:44.225
<00:40:42.295>just <00:40:42.528>use <00:40:42.761>every <00:40:42.995>color <00:40:43.228>on <00:40:43.461>this <00:40:43.695>planet.

999
00:40:44.725 --> 00:40:46.945
<00:40:44.725>And <00:40:44.958>he <00:40:45.191>actually <00:40:45.424>says <00:40:45.658>like, <00:40:45.891>let's, <00:40:46.125>let's,

1000
00:40:46.945 --> 00:40:48.065
<00:40:46.945>let's <00:40:47.146>tone <00:40:47.348>it <00:40:47.549>down <00:40:47.751>a <00:40:47.953>bit

1001
00:40:48.085 --> 00:40:50.105
<00:40:48.085>and <00:40:48.285>actually <00:40:48.485>make <00:40:48.685>it <00:40:48.885>more <00:40:49.085>readable <00:40:49.285>that <00:40:49.485>way.

1002
00:40:50.965 --> 00:40:52.865
<00:40:50.965>And, <00:40:51.245>uh, <00:40:51.525>I <00:40:51.805>kind <00:40:52.085>of <00:40:52.365>agree.

1003
00:40:53.405 --> 00:40:55.785
<00:40:53.405>I'm <00:40:53.605>always <00:40:53.805>fascinated <00:40:54.005>there's <00:40:54.205>a <00:40:54.405>market <00:40:54.605>for <00:40:54.805>themes

1004
00:40:56.085 --> 00:40:58.425
<00:40:56.085>for <00:40:56.318>like <00:40:56.551>visual <00:40:56.785>studio <00:40:57.018>themes <00:40:57.251>as <00:40:57.485>well.

1005
00:40:58.425 --> 00:41:01.415
<00:40:58.425>Like, <00:40:58.565>I <00:40:58.705>mean, <00:40:58.845>a <00:40:58.985>friend <00:40:59.125>of <00:40:59.265>mine <00:40:59.405>did <00:40:59.545>that, <00:40:59.685>uh, <00:40:59.825>uh,

1006
00:41:01.415 --> 00:41:02.975
<00:41:01.415>that <00:41:01.695>uh, <00:41:01.975>uh, <00:41:02.255>what's <00:41:02.535>it <00:41:02.815>called?

1007
00:41:03.115 --> 00:41:07.455
<00:41:03.115>The, <00:41:03.348>um, <00:41:03.581>the <00:41:03.814>vampire <00:41:04.048>scheme <00:41:04.281>or <00:41:04.515>something,

1008
00:41:07.515 --> 00:41:09.295
<00:41:07.515>or <00:41:07.795>like, <00:41:08.075>did <00:41:08.355>the, <00:41:08.634>uh, <00:41:08.915>and,

1009
00:41:09.315 --> 00:41:12.175
<00:41:09.315>and <00:41:09.470>people <00:41:09.626>pay <00:41:09.781>for <00:41:09.937>a <00:41:10.092>color <00:41:10.248>scheme <00:41:10.403>for <00:41:10.559>VS <00:41:10.715>code.

1010
00:41:12.195 --> 00:41:13.295
<00:41:12.195>And <00:41:12.525>it <00:41:12.855>fascinates <00:41:13.185>me.

1011
00:41:13.535 --> 00:41:16.375
<00:41:13.535>'cause <00:41:13.674>like, <00:41:13.815>I <00:41:13.955>mean, <00:41:14.095>if, <00:41:14.234>if <00:41:14.375>you <00:41:14.515>really <00:41:14.654>care <00:41:14.795>that <00:41:14.935>much,

1012
00:41:16.405 --> 00:41:17.815
<00:41:16.405>then <00:41:16.722>just <00:41:17.039>spend <00:41:17.356>the <00:41:17.674>effort

1013
00:41:17.815 --> 00:41:20.175
<00:41:17.815>of <00:41:17.955>making <00:41:18.095>your <00:41:18.235>own <00:41:18.375>rather <00:41:18.515>than <00:41:18.655>just <00:41:18.795>like, <00:41:18.935>this <00:41:19.075>is <00:41:19.215>weird.

1014
00:41:21.235 --> 00:41:23.815
<00:41:21.235>But, <00:41:21.410>uh, <00:41:21.585>I <00:41:21.760>like <00:41:21.935>his, <00:41:22.110>uh, <00:41:22.285>his, <00:41:22.460>his <00:41:22.635>idea.

1015
00:41:24.295 --> 00:41:25.335
<00:41:24.295>'cause <00:41:24.451>I've <00:41:24.607>seen <00:41:24.763>a <00:41:24.919>lot <00:41:25.075>of <00:41:25.231>themes

1016
00:41:25.365 --> 00:41:27.815
<00:41:25.365>that <00:41:25.540>just <00:41:25.714>basically <00:41:25.890>overwhelm <00:41:26.064>me <00:41:26.240>as <00:41:26.415>well <00:41:26.589>with <00:41:26.765>more

1017
00:41:28.355 --> 00:41:30.895
<00:41:28.355>colors <00:41:28.588>than <00:41:28.821>needed <00:41:29.055>just <00:41:29.288>because <00:41:29.521>we <00:41:29.755>can.

1018
00:41:32.275 --> 00:41:35.165
<00:41:32.275>But <00:41:32.475>yeah, <00:41:32.675>it's <00:41:32.875>an <00:41:33.075>interesting <00:41:33.275>how, <00:41:33.475>I <00:41:33.675>mean,

1019
00:41:35.165 --> 00:41:36.805
<00:41:35.165>you <00:41:35.398>should <00:41:35.631>never <00:41:35.865>rely <00:41:36.098>on <00:41:36.331>color <00:41:36.565>alone,

1020
00:41:36.865 --> 00:41:38.965
<00:41:36.865>but <00:41:37.064>in <00:41:37.265>this <00:41:37.464>case, <00:41:37.665>uh, <00:41:37.865>uh, <00:41:38.064>as <00:41:38.265>soon

1021
00:41:38.965 --> 00:41:41.405
<00:41:38.965>as <00:41:39.198>we <00:41:39.431>got <00:41:39.665>syntax <00:41:39.898>highlighting, <00:41:40.131>editing <00:41:40.365>become

1022
00:41:41.915 --> 00:41:44.245
<00:41:41.915>much <00:41:42.090>more <00:41:42.265>approachable <00:41:42.440>for <00:41:42.615>people <00:41:42.790>in <00:41:42.965>coding <00:41:43.140>as <00:41:43.315>well.

1023
00:41:45.045 --> 00:41:47.045
<00:41:45.045>'cause <00:41:45.172>you <00:41:45.299>don't <00:41:45.426>have <00:41:45.554>that <00:41:45.681>block <00:41:45.808>of <00:41:45.935>text <00:41:46.063>in <00:41:46.190>front <00:41:46.317>of <00:41:46.445>you.

1024
00:41:47.635 --> 00:41:50.405
<00:41:47.635>Like <00:41:47.835>Daniella, <00:41:48.035>you, <00:41:48.235>you <00:41:48.435>started <00:41:48.635>as <00:41:48.835>a <00:41:49.035>developer

1025
00:41:51.205 --> 00:41:53.125
<00:41:51.205>probably <00:41:51.438>a <00:41:51.671>lot <00:41:51.904>later <00:41:52.138>than <00:41:52.371>I <00:41:52.605>did.

1026
00:41:53.125 --> 00:41:55.085
<00:41:53.125>Like, <00:41:53.300>did <00:41:53.475>you <00:41:53.650>ever <00:41:53.825>have <00:41:54.000>to <00:41:54.175>encounter <00:41:54.350>an <00:41:54.525>editor

1027
00:41:55.085 --> 00:41:56.125
<00:41:55.085>that <00:41:55.319>didn't <00:41:55.553>have <00:41:55.787>color <00:41:56.021>coding?

1028
00:41:57.345 --> 00:41:58.845
<00:41:57.345>Um, <00:41:57.794>not <00:41:58.245>an <00:41:58.694>editor,

1029
00:41:59.145 --> 00:42:01.045
<00:41:59.145>but <00:41:59.495>while <00:41:59.845>studying <00:42:00.195>all <00:42:00.545>my

1030
00:42:02.055 --> 00:42:05.885
<00:42:02.055>exams <00:42:02.194>were <00:42:02.335>printed <00:42:02.475>out <00:42:02.615>code <00:42:02.754>in <00:42:02.895>black <00:42:03.035>and <00:42:03.174>white <00:42:03.315>on <00:42:03.455>paper.

1031
00:42:06.065 --> 00:42:07.925
<00:42:06.065>So <00:42:06.265>that <00:42:06.465>was <00:42:06.665>kind <00:42:06.865>of <00:42:07.065>difficult <00:42:07.265>to <00:42:07.465>handle.

1032
00:42:08.505 --> 00:42:11.925
<00:42:08.505>So <00:42:08.612>I, <00:42:08.720>I <00:42:08.828>am <00:42:08.935>glad <00:42:09.043>I <00:42:09.151>only <00:42:09.258>had <00:42:09.366>to <00:42:09.474>encounter <00:42:09.581>it <00:42:09.689>during <00:42:09.797>my <00:42:09.905>exams

1033
00:42:11.925 --> 00:42:15.085
<00:42:11.925>and <00:42:12.080>not <00:42:12.236>on <00:42:12.391>a <00:42:12.547>daily <00:42:12.702>basis, <00:42:12.858>but <00:42:13.013>that <00:42:13.169>wasn't <00:42:13.325>fun.

1034
00:42:16.465 --> 00:42:19.075
<00:42:16.465>Yeah, <00:42:16.592>I <00:42:16.719>mean, <00:42:16.846>the <00:42:16.974>amount <00:42:17.101>of <00:42:17.228>like <00:42:17.355>errors <00:42:17.483>you <00:42:17.610>can <00:42:17.737>find <00:42:17.865>just

1035
00:42:19.095 --> 00:42:20.235
<00:42:19.095>by <00:42:19.437>color <00:42:19.779>coding <00:42:20.121>in,

1036
00:42:20.255 --> 00:42:22.235
<00:42:20.255>in <00:42:20.410>the <00:42:20.566>editor <00:42:20.721>is <00:42:20.877>quite <00:42:21.032>a <00:42:21.188>good <00:42:21.343>thing <00:42:21.499>as <00:42:21.655>well.

1037
00:42:22.235 --> 00:42:25.115
<00:42:22.235>But <00:42:22.375>this <00:42:22.515>is <00:42:22.655>an <00:42:22.795>interesting <00:42:22.935>I <00:42:23.075>idea <00:42:23.215>to <00:42:23.355>say <00:42:23.495>like, <00:42:23.635>yeah,

1038
00:42:25.115 --> 00:42:26.795
<00:42:25.115>don't <00:42:25.348>get <00:42:25.581>overboard <00:42:25.814>with <00:42:26.048>too <00:42:26.281>many <00:42:26.515>colors.

1039
00:42:27.765 --> 00:42:31.225
<00:42:27.765>Now. <00:42:27.940>I <00:42:28.115>loved <00:42:28.290>this <00:42:28.464>one <00:42:28.640>that <00:42:28.815>was <00:42:28.990>around, <00:42:29.165>uh,

1040
00:42:31.325 --> 00:42:32.785
<00:42:31.325>for <00:42:31.544>LA <00:42:31.763>uh, <00:42:31.982>last <00:42:32.201>week <00:42:32.420>as <00:42:32.638>well.

1041
00:42:33.335 --> 00:42:34.665
<00:42:33.335>When <00:42:33.574>it <00:42:33.813>comes <00:42:34.053>to <00:42:34.292>screen <00:42:34.532>readers

1042
00:42:34.725 --> 00:42:36.825
<00:42:34.725>and <00:42:35.005>explaining <00:42:35.285>people <00:42:35.565>about <00:42:35.845>screen <00:42:36.125>readers.

1043
00:42:36.935 --> 00:42:39.745
<00:42:36.935>It's <00:42:37.134>always <00:42:37.335>just <00:42:37.535>every <00:42:37.735>five <00:42:37.935>years <00:42:38.134>I <00:42:38.335>have

1044
00:42:39.745 --> 00:42:40.745
<00:42:39.745>to <00:42:40.045>start <00:42:40.345>from <00:42:40.645>scratch.

1045
00:42:41.165 --> 00:42:44.225
<00:42:41.165>And, <00:42:41.305>uh, <00:42:41.445>uh, <00:42:41.585>I <00:42:41.725>love <00:42:41.865>that <00:42:42.005>they <00:42:42.145>basically <00:42:42.285>say <00:42:42.425>that <00:42:42.565>like,

1046
00:42:44.525 --> 00:42:46.025
<00:42:44.525>not <00:42:44.795>only <00:42:45.065>blind <00:42:45.335>people <00:42:45.605>use <00:42:45.875>it,

1047
00:42:46.285 --> 00:42:48.625
<00:42:46.285>people <00:42:46.460>can <00:42:46.634>use <00:42:46.810>screen <00:42:46.984>readers <00:42:47.160>in <00:42:47.335>the <00:42:47.509>same <00:42:47.685>way

1048
00:42:49.165 --> 00:42:51.185
<00:42:49.165>all <00:42:49.365>screeners <00:42:49.565>don't <00:42:49.765>work <00:42:49.965>in <00:42:50.165>the <00:42:50.365>same <00:42:50.565>way.

1049
00:42:51.445 --> 00:42:54.425
<00:42:51.445>Uh, <00:42:51.561>a <00:42:51.678>specific <00:42:51.795>version <00:42:51.911>of <00:42:52.028>website <00:42:52.145>is <00:42:52.261>app <00:42:52.378>is <00:42:52.495>not <00:42:52.611>a <00:42:52.728>good <00:42:52.845>idea

1050
00:42:55.475 --> 00:42:56.535
<00:42:55.475>and <00:42:55.665>so <00:42:55.856>on <00:42:56.047>and <00:42:56.238>so <00:42:56.429>forth.

1051
00:42:56.925 --> 00:42:59.815
<00:42:56.925>When <00:42:57.080>you <00:42:57.236>reach <00:42:57.391>out <00:42:57.547>to <00:42:57.702>people, <00:42:57.858>do <00:42:58.013>you <00:42:58.169>feel <00:42:58.325>like

1052
00:42:59.815 --> 00:43:02.335
<00:42:59.815>that <00:42:59.970>there <00:43:00.126>is <00:43:00.281>a, <00:43:00.437>uh, <00:43:00.592>that <00:43:00.748>there <00:43:00.903>is <00:43:01.059>a <00:43:01.215>worry

1053
00:43:02.335 --> 00:43:04.935
<00:43:02.335>that <00:43:02.510>people <00:43:02.685>don't <00:43:02.860>want <00:43:03.035>to <00:43:03.210>think <00:43:03.385>about <00:43:03.560>screen <00:43:03.735>readers?

1054
00:43:05.075 --> 00:43:09.635
<00:43:05.075>Or <00:43:05.214>do <00:43:05.355>you <00:43:05.495>think <00:43:05.634>there <00:43:05.774>is <00:43:05.915>people <00:43:06.055>are <00:43:06.194>getting <00:43:06.335>more <00:43:06.475>aware

1055
00:43:09.635 --> 00:43:11.435
<00:43:09.635>that <00:43:09.868>there's <00:43:10.101>more <00:43:10.335>people <00:43:10.568>with <00:43:10.801>more <00:43:11.035>needs

1056
00:43:11.435 --> 00:43:12.475
<00:43:11.435>that <00:43:11.669>come <00:43:11.903>to <00:43:12.136>their <00:43:12.371>product?

1057
00:43:14.685 --> 00:43:18.525
<00:43:14.685>I <00:43:14.884>mean, <00:43:15.085>I <00:43:15.285>feel <00:43:15.485>like <00:43:15.685>awareness <00:43:15.884>is <00:43:16.085>increasing,

1058
00:43:19.025 --> 00:43:21.885
<00:43:19.025>but <00:43:19.200>one <00:43:19.375>of <00:43:19.550>the <00:43:19.725>biggest <00:43:19.900>issues <00:43:20.075>I <00:43:20.250>see, <00:43:20.425>uh,

1059
00:43:22.185 --> 00:43:23.245
<00:43:22.185>in <00:43:22.423>the <00:43:22.662>first <00:43:22.900>place <00:43:23.139>is

1060
00:43:23.245 --> 00:43:26.805
<00:43:23.245>that <00:43:23.444>people <00:43:23.645>think <00:43:23.845>accessibility <00:43:24.045>is <00:43:24.245>only <00:43:24.444>for <00:43:24.645>people

1061
00:43:26.865 --> 00:43:29.245
<00:43:26.865>who <00:43:27.214>are <00:43:27.564>blind <00:43:27.915>and <00:43:28.265>blind.

1062
00:43:29.345 --> 00:43:30.965
<00:43:29.345>People <00:43:29.578>who <00:43:29.811>are <00:43:30.044>blind <00:43:30.278>need <00:43:30.511>a <00:43:30.745>screen

1063
00:43:30.965 --> 00:43:32.125
<00:43:30.965>reader <00:43:31.226>and <00:43:31.487>like, <00:43:31.748>that's <00:43:32.009>it.

1064
00:43:32.585 --> 00:43:35.965
<00:43:32.585>So <00:43:32.740>most <00:43:32.896>of <00:43:33.051>them <00:43:33.207>are <00:43:33.362>not <00:43:33.518>aware <00:43:33.673>of <00:43:33.829>other <00:43:33.985>disabilities.

1065
00:43:36.065 --> 00:43:39.045
<00:43:36.065>And <00:43:36.240>then <00:43:36.415>also, <00:43:36.590>um, <00:43:36.765>for <00:43:36.940>people <00:43:37.115>with <00:43:37.290>visual <00:43:37.465>disabilities

1066
00:43:39.045 --> 00:43:40.565
<00:43:39.045>that <00:43:39.318>are <00:43:39.592>different <00:43:39.865>ways <00:43:40.139>of <00:43:40.413>navigating.

1067
00:43:40.785 --> 00:43:42.005
<00:43:40.785>And <00:43:41.059>so <00:43:41.334>I <00:43:41.608>think, <00:43:41.883>uh,

1068
00:43:42.005 --> 00:43:44.765
<00:43:42.005>the <00:43:42.238>article <00:43:42.471>highlights <00:43:42.705>all <00:43:42.938>these <00:43:43.171>different <00:43:43.405>things

1069
00:43:44.945 --> 00:43:47.405
<00:43:44.945>and <00:43:45.178>misconceptions <00:43:45.411>in <00:43:45.645>a <00:43:45.878>very <00:43:46.111>good <00:43:46.345>way,

1070
00:43:47.635 --> 00:43:51.285
<00:43:47.635>because <00:43:47.762>I <00:43:47.889>have <00:43:48.016>to <00:43:48.144>explain <00:43:48.271>it <00:43:48.398>over <00:43:48.525>and <00:43:48.653>over <00:43:48.780>again <00:43:48.907>as <00:43:49.035>well,

1071
00:43:51.285 --> 00:43:53.765
<00:43:51.285>because <00:43:51.565>people <00:43:51.845>just <00:43:52.125>don't <00:43:52.404>know <00:43:52.685>essentially.

1072
00:43:55.065 --> 00:43:56.645
<00:43:55.065>Mm-hmm. <00:43:55.345>And <00:43:55.625>I <00:43:55.905>mean, <00:43:56.185>I <00:43:56.465>love

1073
00:43:56.645 --> 00:43:58.685
<00:43:56.645>that <00:43:56.878>there's <00:43:57.111>things <00:43:57.345>built <00:43:57.578>into <00:43:57.811>operating <00:43:58.045>systems.

1074
00:43:58.685 --> 00:44:01.285
<00:43:58.685>Like <00:43:58.825>I <00:43:58.965>just <00:43:59.105>tried <00:43:59.245>that <00:43:59.384>out, <00:43:59.525>like <00:43:59.665>the, <00:43:59.805>the <00:43:59.945>triple <00:44:00.085>pad,

1075
00:44:01.315 --> 00:44:03.525
<00:44:01.315>like <00:44:01.455>when <00:44:01.595>you, <00:44:01.735>when <00:44:01.875>you <00:44:02.015>got <00:44:02.155>a <00:44:02.295>Mac, <00:44:02.435>like <00:44:02.575>three <00:44:02.715>fingers,

1076
00:44:03.525 --> 00:44:07.005
<00:44:03.525>double <00:44:03.680>tap <00:44:03.836>on <00:44:03.991>your, <00:44:04.147>on <00:44:04.302>your <00:44:04.458>thing, <00:44:04.613>just, <00:44:04.769>uh, <00:44:04.925>uh,

1077
00:44:07.425 --> 00:44:08.525
<00:44:07.425>scales <00:44:07.755>the <00:44:08.085>whole <00:44:08.415>page.

1078
00:44:08.585 --> 00:44:09.845
<00:44:08.585>And <00:44:08.811>I <00:44:09.038>used <00:44:09.265>it <00:44:09.492>from <00:44:09.719>time

1079
00:44:09.845 --> 00:44:12.245
<00:44:09.845>to <00:44:09.984>time <00:44:10.125>when <00:44:10.265>my <00:44:10.404>glasses <00:44:10.544>are <00:44:10.685>dirty <00:44:10.825>or <00:44:10.964>something <00:44:11.105>like <00:44:11.245>that.

1080
00:44:12.375 --> 00:44:14.125
<00:44:12.375>These <00:44:12.608>are, <00:44:12.841>there's <00:44:13.075>all <00:44:13.308>kind <00:44:13.541>of <00:44:13.775>features

1081
00:44:14.395 --> 00:44:15.685
<00:44:14.395>that <00:44:14.685>people <00:44:14.975>don't <00:44:15.265>use <00:44:15.556>enough

1082
00:44:16.195 --> 00:44:17.525
<00:44:16.195>that <00:44:16.434>are <00:44:16.673>already <00:44:16.913>built <00:44:17.152>in <00:44:17.392>there.

1083
00:44:17.705 --> 00:44:20.605
<00:44:17.705>And <00:44:17.832>I <00:44:17.959>mean, <00:44:18.086>we <00:44:18.214>had <00:44:18.341>this <00:44:18.468>discussion, <00:44:18.595>uh, <00:44:18.723>last <00:44:18.850>week <00:44:18.977>as <00:44:19.105>well

1084
00:44:20.605 --> 00:44:22.485
<00:44:20.605>with <00:44:21.071>another <00:44:21.538>accessibility <00:44:22.005>expert.

1085
00:44:22.485 --> 00:44:26.065
<00:44:22.485>Like <00:44:22.765>for <00:44:23.045>you <00:44:23.325>as <00:44:23.605>a <00:44:23.885>developer,

1086
00:44:26.135 --> 00:44:30.025
<00:44:26.135>like <00:44:26.275>do <00:44:26.415>you <00:44:26.555>use <00:44:26.695>a <00:44:26.835>screen <00:44:26.975>reader <00:44:27.115>yourself <00:44:27.255>to <00:44:27.395>test <00:44:27.535>things

1087
00:44:30.165 --> 00:44:32.405
<00:44:30.165>or <00:44:30.320>do <00:44:30.476>you <00:44:30.631>think <00:44:30.787>it <00:44:30.942>makes <00:44:31.098>more <00:44:31.253>sense <00:44:31.409>to <00:44:31.565>partner

1088
00:44:32.435 --> 00:44:34.485
<00:44:32.435>with <00:44:32.634>somebody <00:44:32.835>who's <00:44:33.035>reliant <00:44:33.235>on <00:44:33.435>a <00:44:33.634>screen <00:44:33.835>reader

1089
00:44:34.485 --> 00:44:37.525
<00:44:34.485>because <00:44:34.640>they <00:44:34.796>are <00:44:34.951>more <00:44:35.107>better <00:44:35.262>at <00:44:35.418>testing <00:44:35.573>things <00:44:35.729>with <00:44:35.885>it?

1090
00:44:39.425 --> 00:44:44.165
<00:44:39.425>Um, <00:44:39.565>I <00:44:39.705>would <00:44:39.845>say <00:44:39.985>it <00:44:40.125>is <00:44:40.265>useful <00:44:40.405>in <00:44:40.545>the <00:44:40.685>first <00:44:40.825>instant

1091
00:44:44.305 --> 00:44:45.725
<00:44:44.305>to, <00:44:44.624>to <00:44:44.944>test <00:44:45.263>it <00:44:45.583>myself,

1092
00:44:45.985 --> 00:44:49.605
<00:44:45.985>but <00:44:46.125>then <00:44:46.265>to <00:44:46.405>double <00:44:46.545>check <00:44:46.685>with <00:44:46.825>a <00:44:46.965>person <00:44:47.105>who <00:44:47.245>uses <00:44:47.385>it,

1093
00:44:49.825 --> 00:44:51.125
<00:44:49.825>um, <00:44:50.410>like <00:44:50.995>daily.

1094
00:44:51.905 --> 00:44:54.845
<00:44:51.905>Um, <00:44:52.032>because <00:44:52.159>I <00:44:52.286>feel <00:44:52.414>like <00:44:52.541>it <00:44:52.668>doesn't <00:44:52.795>make <00:44:52.923>much <00:44:53.050>sense <00:44:53.177>if <00:44:53.305>my

1095
00:44:54.845 --> 00:44:58.845
<00:44:54.845>website <00:44:55.020>or <00:44:55.194>my <00:44:55.370>component <00:44:55.544>I'm <00:44:55.720>testing <00:44:55.895>isn't <00:44:56.069>accessible <00:44:56.245>enough

1096
00:44:58.905 --> 00:45:01.725
<00:44:58.905>to <00:44:59.080>then <00:44:59.255>test <00:44:59.430>it <00:44:59.605>straight <00:44:59.780>away <00:44:59.955>with <00:45:00.130>a <00:45:00.305>person.

1097
00:45:02.305 --> 00:45:04.045
<00:45:02.305>And <00:45:02.538>that <00:45:02.771>is <00:45:03.004>using <00:45:03.238>an <00:45:03.471>assisted <00:45:03.705>technology

1098
00:45:04.045 --> 00:45:06.605
<00:45:04.045>because, <00:45:04.278>um, <00:45:04.511>maybe <00:45:04.745>you're <00:45:04.978>not <00:45:05.211>even <00:45:05.445>getting

1099
00:45:06.635 --> 00:45:08.365
<00:45:06.635>that <00:45:06.985>far <00:45:07.335>in <00:45:07.685>your <00:45:08.035>feedback

1100
00:45:08.365 --> 00:45:09.685
<00:45:08.365>and <00:45:08.534>what <00:45:08.704>you <00:45:08.874>actually <00:45:09.043>want <00:45:09.213>to <00:45:09.383>have <00:45:09.553>tested

1101
00:45:09.685 --> 00:45:11.085
<00:45:09.685>because <00:45:10.000>there <00:45:10.315>are <00:45:10.630>other <00:45:10.945>obstacles.

1102
00:45:11.425 --> 00:45:14.685
<00:45:11.425>So <00:45:11.552>I <00:45:11.679>would <00:45:11.806>say <00:45:11.934>that <00:45:12.061>you <00:45:12.188>as <00:45:12.315>a <00:45:12.443>developer <00:45:12.570>should <00:45:12.697>check <00:45:12.825>first

1103
00:45:15.115 --> 00:45:17.685
<00:45:15.115>that <00:45:15.348>like, <00:45:15.581>the <00:45:15.814>biggest <00:45:16.048>things <00:45:16.281>are <00:45:16.515>fixed.

1104
00:45:17.945 --> 00:45:21.925
<00:45:17.945>Um, <00:45:18.072>and <00:45:18.199>then <00:45:18.326>I, <00:45:18.454>I <00:45:18.581>mean <00:45:18.708>even <00:45:18.835>like <00:45:18.963>checking <00:45:19.090>it <00:45:19.217>with <00:45:19.345>one

1105
00:45:21.925 --> 00:45:24.245
<00:45:21.925>or <00:45:22.100>two <00:45:22.275>people <00:45:22.450>is, <00:45:22.625>is <00:45:22.800>sufficient <00:45:22.975>in <00:45:23.150>most <00:45:23.325>cases.

1106
00:45:24.585 --> 00:45:26.005
<00:45:24.585>And, <00:45:24.798>and <00:45:25.011>to <00:45:25.224>get <00:45:25.437>feedback <00:45:25.650>on <00:45:25.863>it

1107
00:45:26.285 --> 00:45:28.805
<00:45:26.285>and <00:45:26.565>like <00:45:26.845>more <00:45:27.125>complex, <00:45:27.404>um, <00:45:27.685>interfaces

1108
00:45:28.805 --> 00:45:31.205
<00:45:28.805>or <00:45:29.038>more <00:45:29.271>complex <00:45:29.504>components <00:45:29.738>I <00:45:29.971>would <00:45:30.205>evaluate

1109
00:45:31.205 --> 00:45:32.325
<00:45:31.205>with <00:45:31.406>a <00:45:31.608>lot <00:45:31.809>of <00:45:32.011>more <00:45:32.212>people.

1110
00:45:32.505 --> 00:45:36.005
<00:45:32.505>But, <00:45:32.645>um, <00:45:32.785>yeah, <00:45:32.925>I'd <00:45:33.065>say <00:45:33.205>it <00:45:33.345>makes <00:45:33.485>sense <00:45:33.625>to <00:45:33.765>also <00:45:33.905>you

1111
00:45:36.005 --> 00:45:37.325
<00:45:36.005>as <00:45:36.302>a <00:45:36.599>developer <00:45:36.895>check <00:45:37.192>it.

1112
00:45:38.555 --> 00:45:41.635
<00:45:38.555>Hmm. <00:45:38.671>I <00:45:38.788>mean <00:45:38.904>it, <00:45:39.021>what <00:45:39.138>always <00:45:39.254>annoyed <00:45:39.371>the <00:45:39.488>hell <00:45:39.605>out <00:45:39.721>of <00:45:39.838>me <00:45:39.955>is

1113
00:45:41.635 --> 00:45:43.395
<00:45:41.635>that <00:45:41.915>the <00:45:42.195>inbuilt <00:45:42.475>ones <00:45:42.755>that <00:45:43.035>come

1114
00:45:43.395 --> 00:45:45.155
<00:45:43.395>with <00:45:43.745>operating <00:45:44.095>systems <00:45:44.445>right <00:45:44.795>now,

1115
00:45:45.155 --> 00:45:48.035
<00:45:45.155>which <00:45:45.295>wasn't <00:45:45.435>a <00:45:45.575>thing <00:45:45.715>in <00:45:45.855>the <00:45:45.995>past, <00:45:46.135>are <00:45:46.275>actually <00:45:46.415>the <00:45:46.555>ones

1116
00:45:48.035 --> 00:45:50.875
<00:45:48.035>that <00:45:48.190>the <00:45:48.346>people <00:45:48.501>who <00:45:48.657>are <00:45:48.812>dependent <00:45:48.968>on <00:45:49.123>using <00:45:49.279>a <00:45:49.435>screen

1117
00:45:50.875 --> 00:45:52.235
<00:45:50.875>reader <00:45:51.119>are <00:45:51.364>not <00:45:51.609>used <00:45:51.854>by <00:45:52.099>them.

1118
00:45:52.545 --> 00:45:55.235
<00:45:52.545>Like <00:45:52.720>JAWS <00:45:52.895>is <00:45:53.070>still <00:45:53.245>the <00:45:53.420>number <00:45:53.595>one <00:45:53.770>used <00:45:53.945>one.

1119
00:45:55.235 --> 00:45:57.035
<00:45:55.235>And <00:45:55.468>then <00:45:55.701>NBDA <00:45:55.935>is <00:45:56.168>the <00:45:56.401>follow <00:45:56.635>up

1120
00:45:57.375 --> 00:46:00.355
<00:45:57.375>and <00:45:57.550>uh, <00:45:57.725>like <00:45:57.900>narrator <00:45:58.075>on, <00:45:58.250>uh, <00:45:58.425>uh, <00:45:58.600>on <00:45:58.775>Mac

1121
00:46:00.415 --> 00:46:02.315
<00:46:00.415>or, <00:46:00.648>uh, <00:46:00.881>uh, <00:46:01.115>no <00:46:01.348>Narrat <00:46:01.581>on <00:46:01.815>Windows

1122
00:46:02.655 --> 00:46:06.285
<00:46:02.655>and, <00:46:02.810>uh, <00:46:02.966>whatever <00:46:03.121>it's <00:46:03.277>called, <00:46:03.432>A <00:46:03.588>Mac <00:46:03.743>is <00:46:03.899>hardly <00:46:04.055>used

1123
00:46:06.345 --> 00:46:09.445
<00:46:06.345>by <00:46:06.520>people <00:46:06.694>and <00:46:06.870>it <00:46:07.044>just, <00:46:07.220>uh, <00:46:07.395>uh, <00:46:07.569>or <00:46:07.745>maybe

1124
00:46:09.445 --> 00:46:13.645
<00:46:09.445>because <00:46:09.585>people <00:46:09.725>that <00:46:09.865>I <00:46:10.005>know <00:46:10.145>that <00:46:10.285>have <00:46:10.425>been, <00:46:10.565>that <00:46:10.705>I <00:46:10.845>worked

1125
00:46:13.645 --> 00:46:16.165
<00:46:13.645>with <00:46:13.820>for <00:46:13.995>a <00:46:14.170>long <00:46:14.345>time <00:46:14.520>didn't <00:46:14.695>use <00:46:14.870>that <00:46:15.045>one.

1126
00:46:16.665 --> 00:46:18.045
<00:46:16.665>But <00:46:16.820>I <00:46:16.975>love <00:46:17.130>for <00:46:17.286>example, <00:46:17.441>that <00:46:17.596>when <00:46:17.751>you, <00:46:17.907>uh,

1127
00:46:18.045 --> 00:46:20.125
<00:46:18.045>install <00:46:18.245>a <00:46:18.445>new <00:46:18.645>MacBook, <00:46:18.845>it <00:46:19.045>starts <00:46:19.245>with <00:46:19.445>audio

1128
00:46:20.385 --> 00:46:22.885
<00:46:20.385>and <00:46:20.560>it <00:46:20.735>basically <00:46:20.910>says <00:46:21.085>like, <00:46:21.260>as <00:46:21.435>a <00:46:21.610>blind <00:46:21.785>user,

1129
00:46:23.245 --> 00:46:25.605
<00:46:23.245>I <00:46:23.478>can <00:46:23.711>install <00:46:23.944>a <00:46:24.178>Mac <00:46:24.411>without <00:46:24.645>actually

1130
00:46:25.605 --> 00:46:26.925
<00:46:25.605>having <00:46:25.902>to <00:46:26.199>see <00:46:26.496>the <00:46:26.793>screen.

1131
00:46:27.425 --> 00:46:29.845
<00:46:27.425>And <00:46:27.565>I <00:46:27.705>think <00:46:27.845>that <00:46:27.985>that, <00:46:28.125>that <00:46:28.265>this <00:46:28.405>awareness <00:46:28.545>is <00:46:28.685>really <00:46:28.825>cool

1132
00:46:29.845 --> 00:46:31.405
<00:46:29.845>to <00:46:30.194>have, <00:46:30.544>but <00:46:30.895>that <00:46:31.245>the,

1133
00:46:31.435 --> 00:46:33.245
<00:46:31.435>that <00:46:31.634>the <00:46:31.835>inbuilt <00:46:32.035>ones <00:46:32.235>are <00:46:32.435>not <00:46:32.634>the <00:46:32.835>ones

1134
00:46:33.245 --> 00:46:35.285
<00:46:33.245>that <00:46:33.478>most <00:46:33.711>people <00:46:33.944>use <00:46:34.178>is <00:46:34.411>really <00:46:34.645>frustrating

1135
00:46:35.285 --> 00:46:37.565
<00:46:35.285>because <00:46:35.412>I <00:46:35.539>don't <00:46:35.666>wanna <00:46:35.794>spend <00:46:35.921>money <00:46:36.048>on <00:46:36.175>NBDA, <00:46:36.303>I <00:46:36.430>don't <00:46:36.557>need <00:46:36.685>to,

1136
00:46:37.565 --> 00:46:38.645
<00:46:37.565>but <00:46:37.727>with <00:46:37.889>Jaws <00:46:38.051>I <00:46:38.213>would <00:46:38.375>have <00:46:38.537>to.

1137
00:46:39.465 --> 00:46:42.565
<00:46:39.465>And <00:46:39.605>it <00:46:39.745>feels, <00:46:39.885>uh, <00:46:40.025>it <00:46:40.165>feels <00:46:40.305>like <00:46:40.445>an <00:46:40.585>extra, <00:46:40.725>uh, <00:46:40.865>um,

1138
00:46:42.915 --> 00:46:45.245
<00:46:42.915>expenditure <00:46:43.090>that <00:46:43.265>doesn't <00:46:43.440>make <00:46:43.615>any <00:46:43.790>sense <00:46:43.965>in <00:46:44.140>this <00:46:44.315>case.

1139
00:46:45.705 --> 00:46:47.845
<00:46:45.705>But <00:46:45.904>yeah, <00:46:46.105>it's, <00:46:46.305>it's <00:46:46.505>a <00:46:46.705>good, <00:46:46.904>yeah. <00:46:47.105>Yeah.

1140
00:46:48.335 --> 00:46:50.325
<00:46:48.335>Sorry. <00:46:48.510>Um, <00:46:48.685>I <00:46:48.860>just <00:46:49.035>wanted <00:46:49.210>to <00:46:49.385>add <00:46:49.560>on <00:46:49.735>that,

1141
00:46:50.325 --> 00:46:51.885
<00:46:50.325>that <00:46:50.558>I <00:46:50.791>feel <00:46:51.024>it <00:46:51.258>ties <00:46:51.491>together <00:46:51.725>with

1142
00:46:51.885 --> 00:46:54.125
<00:46:51.885>what <00:46:52.025>we <00:46:52.165>were <00:46:52.305>saying <00:46:52.445>at <00:46:52.585>the <00:46:52.725>beginning <00:46:52.865>of <00:46:53.005>the <00:46:53.145>live <00:46:53.285>stream

1143
00:46:54.395 --> 00:46:56.365
<00:46:54.395>with, <00:46:54.628>uh, <00:46:54.861>YouTube <00:46:55.095>having <00:46:55.328>all <00:46:55.561>the <00:46:55.795>shortcuts

1144
00:46:56.365 --> 00:46:57.605
<00:46:56.365>with <00:46:56.588>people <00:46:56.811>not <00:46:57.034>knowing <00:46:57.257>about <00:46:57.481>it.

1145
00:46:57.925 --> 00:47:00.125
<00:46:57.925>I <00:46:58.205>feel <00:46:58.485>like <00:46:58.765>it's <00:46:59.045>similar <00:46:59.325>here

1146
00:47:00.475 --> 00:47:02.085
<00:47:00.475>that <00:47:00.755>people <00:47:01.035>don't <00:47:01.315>know <00:47:01.595>their <00:47:01.875>options.

1147
00:47:02.665 --> 00:47:05.685
<00:47:02.665>Um, <00:47:02.792>because <00:47:02.919>for <00:47:03.046>example, <00:47:03.174>I <00:47:03.301>did <00:47:03.428>a <00:47:03.555>study <00:47:03.683>for <00:47:03.810>my <00:47:03.937>master <00:47:04.065>thesis

1148
00:47:05.755 --> 00:47:07.845
<00:47:05.755>with <00:47:06.035>20 <00:47:06.315>people <00:47:06.595>with <00:47:06.875>visual <00:47:07.155>impairments

1149
00:47:08.225 --> 00:47:10.005
<00:47:08.225>and <00:47:08.505>every <00:47:08.785>person <00:47:09.065>was <00:47:09.345>using <00:47:09.625>their

1150
00:47:10.005 --> 00:47:11.405
<00:47:10.005>assistive <00:47:10.635>technology <00:47:11.265>differently.

1151
00:47:11.785 --> 00:47:13.005
<00:47:11.785>And <00:47:12.059>when <00:47:12.334>I <00:47:12.608>interviewed <00:47:12.883>them

1152
00:47:13.005 --> 00:47:15.245
<00:47:13.005>and <00:47:13.145>asked <00:47:13.285>like, <00:47:13.425>oh, <00:47:13.565>what <00:47:13.705>features <00:47:13.845>would <00:47:13.985>you <00:47:14.125>love <00:47:14.265>to <00:47:14.405>have?

1153
00:47:15.275 --> 00:47:16.485
<00:47:15.275>What <00:47:15.547>options <00:47:15.819>do <00:47:16.091>you <00:47:16.364>need?

1154
00:47:17.115 --> 00:47:20.365
<00:47:17.115>Most <00:47:17.270>of <00:47:17.426>them <00:47:17.581>told <00:47:17.737>me <00:47:17.892>things <00:47:18.048>that <00:47:18.203>are <00:47:18.359>already <00:47:18.515>available

1155
00:47:20.905 --> 00:47:22.925
<00:47:20.905>to <00:47:21.080>them, <00:47:21.255>but <00:47:21.430>they <00:47:21.605>just <00:47:21.780>don't <00:47:21.955>know <00:47:22.130>they <00:47:22.305>exist

1156
00:47:22.925 --> 00:47:24.925
<00:47:22.925>because <00:47:23.275>there's <00:47:23.625>no <00:47:23.975>education <00:47:24.325>from

1157
00:47:25.555 --> 00:47:27.805
<00:47:25.555>what <00:47:25.754>can <00:47:25.955>you <00:47:26.154>change <00:47:26.355>in <00:47:26.555>your <00:47:26.754>browser <00:47:26.955>settings

1158
00:47:27.805 --> 00:47:29.045
<00:47:27.805>or <00:47:28.084>in <00:47:28.363>new <00:47:28.642>system <00:47:28.921>settings.

1159
00:47:29.185 --> 00:47:30.765
<00:47:29.185>So <00:47:29.535>they <00:47:29.884>just <00:47:30.235>don't <00:47:30.585>know.

1160
00:47:31.225 --> 00:47:33.165
<00:47:31.225>And <00:47:31.458>I <00:47:31.691>think <00:47:31.924>this <00:47:32.158>is <00:47:32.391>something, <00:47:32.625>um,

1161
00:47:33.165 --> 00:47:34.685
<00:47:33.165>where <00:47:33.393>it <00:47:33.621>could <00:47:33.849>be <00:47:34.077>improved <00:47:34.305>a <00:47:34.533>lot.

1162
00:47:36.115 --> 00:47:38.525
<00:47:36.115>Yeah. <00:47:36.270>And <00:47:36.426>I <00:47:36.581>mean, <00:47:36.737>let's, <00:47:36.892>let's, <00:47:37.048>let's <00:47:37.203>dig <00:47:37.359>into <00:47:37.515>it.

1163
00:47:38.645 --> 00:47:41.005
<00:47:38.645>I <00:47:38.772>mean, <00:47:38.899>you <00:47:39.026>are <00:47:39.154>a <00:47:39.281>person <00:47:39.408>that <00:47:39.535>improves <00:47:39.663>these <00:47:39.790>kind <00:47:39.917>of <00:47:40.045>things

1164
00:47:41.105 --> 00:47:43.365
<00:47:41.105>by <00:47:41.338>making, <00:47:41.571>uh, <00:47:41.805>the <00:47:42.038>whole <00:47:42.271>accessibility <00:47:42.505>world

1165
00:47:43.365 --> 00:47:47.245
<00:47:43.365>and <00:47:43.540>inclusivity <00:47:43.714>more <00:47:43.890>aware <00:47:44.064>to, <00:47:44.240>uh, <00:47:44.415>where <00:47:44.589>to <00:47:44.765>people.

1166
00:47:47.425 --> 00:47:50.285
<00:47:47.425>So, <00:47:47.600>um, <00:47:47.775>what <00:47:47.950>are <00:47:48.125>the <00:47:48.300>products <00:47:48.475>that <00:47:48.650>you're <00:47:48.825>building

1167
00:47:50.345 --> 00:47:52.005
<00:47:50.345>or <00:47:50.578>what <00:47:50.811>are <00:47:51.044>the, <00:47:51.278>the, <00:47:51.511>uh, <00:47:51.745>things

1168
00:47:52.005 --> 00:47:53.445
<00:47:52.005>that <00:47:52.329>you're <00:47:52.653>actually <00:47:52.977>showing <00:47:53.301>people?

1169
00:47:53.545 --> 00:47:55.645
<00:47:53.545>And <00:47:53.778>I <00:47:54.011>mean, <00:47:54.245>you're <00:47:54.478>sharing <00:47:54.711>your <00:47:54.945>screen

1170
00:47:55.665 --> 00:47:57.205
<00:47:55.665>so <00:47:55.863>we <00:47:56.061>can <00:47:56.259>actually <00:47:56.457>switch <00:47:56.654>to <00:47:56.853>that <00:47:57.051>one.

1171
00:47:57.325 --> 00:47:59.005
<00:47:57.325>'cause <00:47:57.452>I <00:47:57.579>guess <00:47:57.706>we're <00:47:57.834>done <00:47:57.961>with <00:47:58.088>the <00:47:58.215>links <00:47:58.343>that <00:47:58.470>we <00:47:58.597>have <00:47:58.725>here.

1172
00:47:59.555 --> 00:48:00.565
<00:47:59.555>Perfect. <00:48:00.009>Yes. <00:48:00.464>I,

1173
00:48:00.685 --> 00:48:02.205
<00:48:00.685>I <00:48:00.913>brought <00:48:01.141>some <00:48:01.369>different <00:48:01.596>links <00:48:01.825>which <00:48:02.053>I

1174
00:48:02.335 --> 00:48:04.085
<00:48:02.335>think <00:48:02.801>could <00:48:03.268>be <00:48:03.735>useful.

1175
00:48:04.225 --> 00:48:06.245
<00:48:04.225>So <00:48:04.691>different <00:48:05.158>people. <00:48:05.625>Um,

1176
00:48:06.265 --> 00:48:08.285
<00:48:06.265>and <00:48:06.420>so <00:48:06.576>the <00:48:06.731>first <00:48:06.887>thing <00:48:07.042>I <00:48:07.198>have <00:48:07.353>here <00:48:07.509>is <00:48:07.665>Elephant,

1177
00:48:08.285 --> 00:48:10.205
<00:48:08.285>which <00:48:08.518>I <00:48:08.751>was <00:48:08.984>mentioning <00:48:09.218>at <00:48:09.451>the <00:48:09.685>beginning.

1178
00:48:11.185 --> 00:48:13.845
<00:48:11.185>Um, <00:48:11.384>and <00:48:11.585>Elephant <00:48:11.785>is <00:48:11.985>an <00:48:12.185>interactive <00:48:12.384>online <00:48:12.585>course

1179
00:48:13.985 --> 00:48:16.325
<00:48:13.985>for <00:48:14.218>web <00:48:14.451>accessibility <00:48:14.685>that <00:48:14.918>is <00:48:15.151>completely <00:48:15.385>free.

1180
00:48:16.385 --> 00:48:19.285
<00:48:16.385>You <00:48:16.501>don't <00:48:16.618>even <00:48:16.735>have <00:48:16.851>to <00:48:16.968>sign <00:48:17.085>up, <00:48:17.201>you <00:48:17.318>can <00:48:17.435>just <00:48:17.551>start <00:48:17.668>sign <00:48:17.785>up.

1181
00:48:19.285 --> 00:48:21.445
<00:48:19.285>It's <00:48:19.440>just <00:48:19.596>if <00:48:19.751>you <00:48:19.907>want <00:48:20.062>to <00:48:20.218>save <00:48:20.373>your <00:48:20.529>progress <00:48:20.685>essentially.

1182
00:48:22.425 --> 00:48:26.125
<00:48:22.425>Um, <00:48:22.552>and <00:48:22.679>so <00:48:22.806>this <00:48:22.934>is <00:48:23.061>a <00:48:23.188>project <00:48:23.315>I <00:48:23.443>started <00:48:23.570>together, <00:48:23.697>uh, <00:48:23.825>back,

1183
00:48:26.225 --> 00:48:29.005
<00:48:26.225>uh, <00:48:26.400>at <00:48:26.575>the <00:48:26.750>university <00:48:26.924>with, <00:48:27.100>uh, <00:48:27.275>my <00:48:27.450>closest <00:48:27.625>friends

1184
00:48:29.185 --> 00:48:31.685
<00:48:29.185>and <00:48:29.360>we <00:48:29.535>still <00:48:29.710>maintain <00:48:29.884>it <00:48:30.060>as <00:48:30.235>open <00:48:30.410>source <00:48:30.585>project.

1185
00:48:32.645 --> 00:48:35.605
<00:48:32.645>I <00:48:32.800>build <00:48:32.956>it <00:48:33.111>together <00:48:33.267>with <00:48:33.422>just <00:48:33.578>some <00:48:33.733>quick <00:48:33.889>name <00:48:34.045>dropping,

1186
00:48:36.085 --> 00:48:39.325
<00:48:36.085>dropping, <00:48:36.240>uh, <00:48:36.396>Luca <00:48:36.551>Piha <00:48:36.707>Toma <00:48:36.862>Stack <00:48:37.018>and <00:48:37.173>Michel <00:48:37.329>Hin <00:48:37.485>Hova.

1187
00:48:39.325 --> 00:48:41.605
<00:48:39.325>And <00:48:39.558>we <00:48:39.791>created <00:48:40.024>a <00:48:40.258>concept, <00:48:40.491>the <00:48:40.725>development,

1188
00:48:41.605 --> 00:48:45.205
<00:48:41.605>and <00:48:41.760>then <00:48:41.916>we <00:48:42.071>had <00:48:42.227>designers <00:48:42.382>come <00:48:42.538>in, <00:48:42.693>um, <00:48:42.849>Johan <00:48:43.005>V

1189
00:48:45.225 --> 00:48:48.125
<00:48:45.225>and <00:48:45.380>Fiber <00:48:45.536>Heller <00:48:45.691>to <00:48:45.847>give <00:48:46.002>it <00:48:46.158>like <00:48:46.313>the <00:48:46.469>interface <00:48:46.625>designer,

1190
00:48:48.225 --> 00:48:49.845
<00:48:48.225>the <00:48:48.691>corporate, <00:48:49.158>um, <00:48:49.625>identity.

1191
00:48:50.825 --> 00:48:54.445
<00:48:50.825>And <00:48:50.964>so <00:48:51.105>I <00:48:51.245>want <00:48:51.384>to <00:48:51.524>quickly <00:48:51.665>demonstrate <00:48:51.805>how <00:48:51.944>it <00:48:52.085>is <00:48:52.225>used

1192
00:48:54.445 --> 00:48:55.805
<00:48:54.445>because <00:48:54.853>it's <00:48:55.261>pretty <00:48:55.669>simple.

1193
00:48:56.825 --> 00:49:01.445
<00:48:56.825>So <00:48:57.000>the <00:48:57.174>whole <00:48:57.350>goal <00:48:57.524>was <00:48:57.700>to <00:48:57.875>educate <00:48:58.049>developers <00:48:58.225>who

1194
00:49:02.115 --> 00:49:03.205
<00:49:02.115>already <00:49:02.605>can <00:49:03.096>code,

1195
00:49:03.345 --> 00:49:07.285
<00:49:03.345>but <00:49:03.520>don't <00:49:03.694>maybe <00:49:03.870>have <00:49:04.044>learned <00:49:04.220>about <00:49:04.395>semantic <00:49:04.569>HT <00:49:04.745>ML

1196
00:49:07.385 --> 00:49:09.245
<00:49:07.385>or <00:49:07.735>the <00:49:08.085>basics <00:49:08.435>of <00:49:08.785>HML

1197
00:49:09.705 --> 00:49:13.765
<00:49:09.705>and <00:49:09.845>don't <00:49:09.985>want <00:49:10.125>to <00:49:10.265>dig <00:49:10.404>through <00:49:10.545>hundreds <00:49:10.685>and <00:49:10.825>hundreds <00:49:10.965>of <00:49:11.105>words

1198
00:49:13.765 --> 00:49:15.645
<00:49:13.765>because <00:49:14.045>a <00:49:14.325>lot <00:49:14.605>of <00:49:14.884>the <00:49:15.165>resources

1199
00:49:15.715 --> 00:49:18.205
<00:49:15.715>that <00:49:15.995>are <00:49:16.275>available <00:49:16.555>are <00:49:16.835>primarily <00:49:17.115>text

1200
00:49:18.425 --> 00:49:20.925
<00:49:18.425>and <00:49:18.625>people <00:49:18.825>are <00:49:19.025>lazy <00:49:19.225>in <00:49:19.425>reading, <00:49:19.625>I'd <00:49:19.825>say.

1201
00:49:21.305 --> 00:49:24.205
<00:49:21.305>So <00:49:21.538>we <00:49:21.771>tried <00:49:22.004>to <00:49:22.238>create <00:49:22.471>different <00:49:22.705>challenges.

1202
00:49:25.535 --> 00:49:28.555
<00:49:25.535>Um, <00:49:25.710>and <00:49:25.884>so, <00:49:26.060>so <00:49:26.234>far <00:49:26.410>we <00:49:26.585>have <00:49:26.759>some <00:49:26.935>easy

1203
00:49:28.575 --> 00:49:30.115
<00:49:28.575>and <00:49:29.037>medium <00:49:29.499>challenges, <00:49:29.961>um,

1204
00:49:30.645 --> 00:49:33.075
<00:49:30.645>which <00:49:30.878>are <00:49:31.111>all <00:49:31.345>about <00:49:31.578>different <00:49:31.811>accessibility <00:49:32.045>topics.

1205
00:49:33.335 --> 00:49:36.795
<00:49:33.335>So <00:49:33.490>for <00:49:33.646>example, <00:49:33.801>if <00:49:33.957>I <00:49:34.112>select <00:49:34.268>our <00:49:34.423>medium <00:49:34.579>challenge <00:49:34.735>here,

1206
00:49:37.215 --> 00:49:39.155
<00:49:37.215>it <00:49:37.495>is <00:49:37.775>about <00:49:38.055>buttons <00:49:38.335>versus <00:49:38.615>links.

1207
00:49:39.855 --> 00:49:43.195
<00:49:39.855>And <00:49:40.010>so <00:49:40.166>every <00:49:40.321>challenge <00:49:40.477>is <00:49:40.632>split <00:49:40.788>down <00:49:40.943>in <00:49:41.099>different <00:49:41.255>levels

1208
00:49:43.655 --> 00:49:45.955
<00:49:43.655>and <00:49:43.855>each <00:49:44.055>level <00:49:44.255>is <00:49:44.455>about <00:49:44.655>one <00:49:44.855>specific <00:49:45.055>topic.

1209
00:49:46.375 --> 00:49:49.155
<00:49:46.375>And <00:49:46.550>we <00:49:46.725>have <00:49:46.900>two <00:49:47.075>different <00:49:47.250>kinds <00:49:47.425>of <00:49:47.600>things <00:49:47.775>available.

1210
00:49:49.295 --> 00:49:50.995
<00:49:49.295>So <00:49:49.495>for <00:49:49.695>example, <00:49:49.895>if <00:49:50.095>I <00:49:50.295>start <00:49:50.495>right <00:49:50.695>here,

1211
00:49:51.395 --> 00:49:53.075
<00:49:51.395>I <00:49:51.675>have <00:49:51.955>a <00:49:52.235>coding, <00:49:52.515>um, <00:49:52.795>challenge.

1212
00:49:53.675 --> 00:49:57.035
<00:49:53.675>I <00:49:53.875>have <00:49:54.075>some, <00:49:54.275>um, <00:49:54.475>instructions <00:49:54.675>with <00:49:54.875>background <00:49:55.075>information

1213
00:49:57.815 --> 00:49:59.795
<00:49:57.815>on, <00:49:58.015>uh, <00:49:58.215>the <00:49:58.415>topic, <00:49:58.615>why <00:49:58.815>this <00:49:59.015>is <00:49:59.215>important,

1214
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<00:49:59.975>and <00:50:00.091>then <00:50:00.208>the <00:50:00.325>clear <00:50:00.441>goal <00:50:00.558>of <00:50:00.674>what <00:50:00.791>I <00:50:00.908>want, <00:50:01.025>um, <00:50:01.141>in <00:50:01.258>this <00:50:01.375>level.

1215
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<00:50:04.855>So <00:50:05.129>we <00:50:05.404>want <00:50:05.678>a <00:50:05.953>link,

1216
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<00:50:06.735>and <00:50:06.890>now <00:50:07.046>I <00:50:07.201>can <00:50:07.357>start <00:50:07.512>just, <00:50:07.668>um, <00:50:07.823>coding <00:50:07.979>right <00:50:08.135>away.

1217
00:50:11.895 --> 00:50:16.275
<00:50:11.895>And <00:50:12.050>everything <00:50:12.206>I <00:50:12.361>do <00:50:12.517>will <00:50:12.672>be, <00:50:12.828>um, <00:50:12.983>in <00:50:13.139>the <00:50:13.295>live

1218
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<00:50:17.345>view <00:50:17.520>below, <00:50:17.694>if <00:50:17.870>I <00:50:18.044>can <00:50:18.220>tab <00:50:18.395>with <00:50:18.569>one <00:50:18.745>hand.

1219
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<00:50:21.015>So, <00:50:21.190>okay, <00:50:21.365>so <00:50:21.540>we <00:50:21.714>see <00:50:21.890>in <00:50:22.065>the <00:50:22.240>live <00:50:22.415>preview

1220
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<00:50:23.285>below <00:50:23.634>we <00:50:23.984>have <00:50:24.335>the <00:50:24.685>link.

1221
00:50:26.055 --> 00:50:30.085
<00:50:26.055>Um, <00:50:26.210>if <00:50:26.366>I <00:50:26.521>think <00:50:26.677>this <00:50:26.832>is <00:50:26.988>the <00:50:27.143>way <00:50:27.299>to <00:50:27.455>go,

1222
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<00:50:30.285>I <00:50:30.544>can <00:50:30.803>go <00:50:31.062>on <00:50:31.321>and <00:50:31.581>submit.

1223
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<00:50:32.465>And <00:50:32.620>then <00:50:32.776>Elephant <00:50:32.931>is <00:50:33.087>evaluating <00:50:33.242>what <00:50:33.398>I <00:50:33.553>have <00:50:33.709>sent <00:50:33.865>in.

1224
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<00:50:36.945>But <00:50:37.100>as <00:50:37.256>we <00:50:37.411>can <00:50:37.567>see, <00:50:37.722>it <00:50:37.878>was <00:50:38.033>not <00:50:38.189>quite <00:50:38.345>sufficient.

1225
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<00:50:39.705>So <00:50:39.904>we <00:50:40.105>have <00:50:40.305>some <00:50:40.505>things <00:50:40.705>that <00:50:40.904>are <00:50:41.105>okay,

1226
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<00:50:41.845>but <00:50:41.984>then <00:50:42.125>we <00:50:42.265>have <00:50:42.404>other <00:50:42.544>things <00:50:42.685>that <00:50:42.825>are <00:50:42.964>still <00:50:43.105>not <00:50:43.245>okay.

1227
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<00:50:45.585>So <00:50:45.785>I <00:50:45.985>can <00:50:46.185>have <00:50:46.385>the <00:50:46.585>option <00:50:46.785>to <00:50:46.985>retry.

1228
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<00:50:47.785>And <00:50:47.990>if <00:50:48.195>I <00:50:48.400>say, <00:50:48.605>oh, <00:50:48.811>I,

1229
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<00:50:49.045>I <00:50:49.220>really <00:50:49.395>don't <00:50:49.570>know <00:50:49.745>how <00:50:49.920>to <00:50:50.095>go <00:50:50.270>about <00:50:50.445>this.

1230
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<00:50:51.005>I <00:50:51.132>have <00:50:51.259>the <00:50:51.386>option <00:50:51.514>of <00:50:51.641>a <00:50:51.768>hint <00:50:51.895>where <00:50:52.023>I <00:50:52.150>can <00:50:52.277>go <00:50:52.405>in,

1231
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<00:50:53.725>have <00:50:54.049>some <00:50:54.373>more <00:50:54.696>information.

1232
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<00:50:55.305>We <00:50:55.444>made <00:50:55.585>it <00:50:55.725>a <00:50:55.865>bit <00:50:56.004>tricky <00:50:56.145>because <00:50:56.285>you <00:50:56.424>can't <00:50:56.565>just <00:50:56.705>copy

1233
00:50:57.625 --> 00:50:59.045
<00:50:57.625>and <00:50:57.944>paste <00:50:58.264>the <00:50:58.583>solution <00:50:58.903>here.

1234
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<00:50:59.105>So <00:50:59.221>you <00:50:59.338>really <00:50:59.455>have <00:50:59.571>to <00:50:59.688>go <00:50:59.805>in <00:50:59.921>and <00:51:00.038>like <00:51:00.155>type <00:51:00.271>it <00:51:00.388>all <00:51:00.505>out.

1235
00:51:04.185 --> 00:51:05.885
<00:51:04.185>Um, <00:51:04.384>which <00:51:04.585>I'm <00:51:04.785>not <00:51:04.985>gonna <00:51:05.185>do <00:51:05.384>right <00:51:05.585>now

1236
00:51:05.885 --> 00:51:07.325
<00:51:05.885>because <00:51:06.101>I <00:51:06.317>only <00:51:06.533>have <00:51:06.749>one <00:51:06.965>hand <00:51:07.181>available

1237
00:51:07.325 --> 00:51:08.485
<00:51:07.325>holding <00:51:07.846>the <00:51:08.369>microphone.

1238
00:51:08.485 --> 00:51:10.965
<00:51:08.485>But <00:51:08.640>basically <00:51:08.796>this <00:51:08.951>is <00:51:09.107>how <00:51:09.262>you <00:51:09.418>can <00:51:09.573>go <00:51:09.729>about <00:51:09.885>it.

1239
00:51:11.585 --> 00:51:14.925
<00:51:11.585>And <00:51:11.740>the <00:51:11.896>second <00:51:12.051>option <00:51:12.207>we <00:51:12.362>have <00:51:12.518>is <00:51:12.673>a, <00:51:12.829>a <00:51:12.985>quiz.

1240
00:51:15.145 --> 00:51:18.525
<00:51:15.145>So <00:51:15.300>we <00:51:15.456>have <00:51:15.611>some <00:51:15.767>quiz <00:51:15.922>levels <00:51:16.078>where <00:51:16.233>you <00:51:16.389>are <00:51:16.545>prompted

1241
00:51:18.525 --> 00:51:20.565
<00:51:18.525>with <00:51:18.725>a <00:51:18.925>question <00:51:19.125>and <00:51:19.325>then <00:51:19.525>you <00:51:19.725>have, <00:51:19.925>um,

1242
00:51:21.965 --> 00:51:23.205
<00:51:21.965>multiple <00:51:22.523>answers <00:51:23.081>available.

1243
00:51:23.345 --> 00:51:26.285
<00:51:23.345>So <00:51:23.472>for <00:51:23.599>example, <00:51:23.726>here <00:51:23.854>you <00:51:23.981>are <00:51:24.108>building <00:51:24.235>a <00:51:24.363>new <00:51:24.490>set <00:51:24.617>of <00:51:24.745>form,

1244
00:51:26.335 --> 00:51:29.045
<00:51:26.335>which <00:51:26.510>element <00:51:26.685>should <00:51:26.860>you <00:51:27.035>use <00:51:27.210>to <00:51:27.385>submit <00:51:27.560>the <00:51:27.735>form?

1245
00:51:29.985 --> 00:51:32.525
<00:51:29.985>Um, <00:51:30.160>neither <00:51:30.335>an <00:51:30.510>anchor <00:51:30.685>element <00:51:30.860>or <00:51:31.035>a <00:51:31.210>button <00:51:31.385>element.

1246
00:51:32.945 --> 00:51:35.765
<00:51:32.945>So <00:51:33.145>let's <00:51:33.345>say <00:51:33.545>neither <00:51:33.745>and <00:51:33.945>see <00:51:34.145>what <00:51:34.345>happens.

1247
00:51:37.075 --> 00:51:39.325
<00:51:37.075>This <00:51:37.250>was <00:51:37.424>the <00:51:37.600>wrong <00:51:37.774>answer. <00:51:37.950>So <00:51:38.125>I <00:51:38.299>can <00:51:38.475>retry.

1248
00:51:39.905 --> 00:51:42.165
<00:51:39.905>So <00:51:40.138>maybe <00:51:40.371>it <00:51:40.605>is <00:51:40.838>a <00:51:41.071>button <00:51:41.305>element.

1249
00:51:42.305 --> 00:51:45.205
<00:51:42.305>So <00:51:42.480>let's <00:51:42.654>try <00:51:42.830>this <00:51:43.004>one <00:51:43.180>here <00:51:43.355>and <00:51:43.529>that's <00:51:43.705>correct.

1250
00:51:45.345 --> 00:51:48.165
<00:51:45.345>And <00:51:45.484>I <00:51:45.625>can <00:51:45.765>go <00:51:45.904>on <00:51:46.044>and <00:51:46.185>proceed <00:51:46.325>to <00:51:46.464>the <00:51:46.605>next <00:51:46.745>level.

1251
00:51:48.665 --> 00:51:51.405
<00:51:48.665>And <00:51:48.840>I <00:51:49.015>always, <00:51:49.190>um, <00:51:49.365>see <00:51:49.540>what <00:51:49.715>is <00:51:49.890>already <00:51:50.065>done.

1252
00:51:51.745 --> 00:51:55.165
<00:51:51.745>And <00:51:51.861>if <00:51:51.978>I <00:51:52.095>go <00:51:52.211>back <00:51:52.328>to <00:51:52.444>the <00:51:52.561>whole <00:51:52.678>challenge <00:51:52.795>overview, <00:51:52.911>I <00:51:53.028>can <00:51:53.145>see

1253
00:51:55.495 --> 00:51:57.645
<00:51:55.495>where <00:51:55.845>I'm <00:51:56.194>currently <00:51:56.545>working <00:51:56.895>on

1254
00:51:57.955 --> 00:52:00.125
<00:51:57.955>what <00:51:58.188>is <00:51:58.421>still <00:51:58.654>there <00:51:58.888>left <00:51:59.121>to <00:51:59.355>do.

1255
00:52:00.345 --> 00:52:02.325
<00:52:00.345>So <00:52:00.625>there's <00:52:00.904>some <00:52:01.185>things <00:52:01.464>available <00:52:01.745>here,

1256
00:52:03.025 --> 00:52:05.845
<00:52:03.025>and <00:52:03.200>if <00:52:03.375>anybody <00:52:03.550>as <00:52:03.725>it <00:52:03.900>is <00:52:04.075>open <00:52:04.250>source <00:52:04.425>wants

1257
00:52:05.865 --> 00:52:08.405
<00:52:05.865>to <00:52:06.098>contribute <00:52:06.331>in <00:52:06.564>any <00:52:06.798>way <00:52:07.031>regarding <00:52:07.265>content

1258
00:52:08.745 --> 00:52:12.245
<00:52:08.745>or <00:52:08.884>um, <00:52:09.025>also <00:52:09.165>coding, <00:52:09.305>feel <00:52:09.444>free <00:52:09.585>to <00:52:09.725>shoot <00:52:09.865>me <00:52:10.005>a <00:52:10.145>message

1259
00:52:12.785 --> 00:52:14.485
<00:52:12.785>or <00:52:13.065>just <00:52:13.345>try <00:52:13.625>it <00:52:13.904>out <00:52:14.185>yourself.

1260
00:52:15.345 --> 00:52:17.765
<00:52:15.345>Or <00:52:15.472>you <00:52:15.599>can <00:52:15.726>fork <00:52:15.854>it <00:52:15.981>on <00:52:16.108>GitHub <00:52:16.235>and <00:52:16.363>do <00:52:16.490>a <00:52:16.617>poll <00:52:16.745>request.

1261
00:52:18.675 --> 00:52:21.325
<00:52:18.675>Yeah, <00:52:18.850>that's <00:52:19.025>totally <00:52:19.200>fine. <00:52:19.375>It's, <00:52:19.550>um, <00:52:19.725>it's <00:52:19.900>on <00:52:20.075>GitHub.

1262
00:52:21.355 --> 00:52:22.405
<00:52:21.355>It's <00:52:21.827>completely <00:52:22.300>open.

1263
00:52:22.945 --> 00:52:26.005
<00:52:22.945>Um, <00:52:23.072>and <00:52:23.199>we <00:52:23.326>also <00:52:23.454>have <00:52:23.581>some <00:52:23.708>docs <00:52:23.835>there, <00:52:23.963>so <00:52:24.090>feel <00:52:24.217>free, <00:52:24.345>what,

1264
00:52:26.225 --> 00:52:27.685
<00:52:26.225>What's <00:52:26.487>the <00:52:26.750>format <00:52:27.013>of <00:52:27.276>the <00:52:27.538>quizzes?

1265
00:52:27.685 --> 00:52:29.045
<00:52:27.685>Is <00:52:27.929>it <00:52:28.174>just <00:52:28.419>a <00:52:28.664>Jason <00:52:28.909>object

1266
00:52:29.065 --> 00:52:31.765
<00:52:29.065>or <00:52:29.172>is <00:52:29.280>it <00:52:29.388>just <00:52:29.495>like <00:52:29.603>that <00:52:29.711>you <00:52:29.818>have <00:52:29.926>to <00:52:30.034>do <00:52:30.141>the <00:52:30.249>bit <00:52:30.357>by <00:52:30.465>bit?

1267
00:52:33.545 --> 00:52:36.525
<00:52:33.545>Um, <00:52:33.778>I'm <00:52:34.011>not <00:52:34.245>entirely <00:52:34.478>sure <00:52:34.711>right <00:52:34.945>now

1268
00:52:36.685 --> 00:52:38.325
<00:52:36.685>because <00:52:37.035>we <00:52:37.384>just <00:52:37.735>changed <00:52:38.085>it

1269
00:52:38.325 --> 00:52:40.965
<00:52:38.325>because <00:52:38.605>we <00:52:38.884>were <00:52:39.165>moving, <00:52:39.444>um, <00:52:39.725>instances,

1270
00:52:41.185 --> 00:52:44.365
<00:52:41.185>but <00:52:41.360>I <00:52:41.535>think <00:52:41.710>now <00:52:41.884>it <00:52:42.060>should <00:52:42.235>be <00:52:42.410>a <00:52:42.585>chase,

1271
00:52:44.425 --> 00:52:46.085
<00:52:44.425>but <00:52:44.600>I'm <00:52:44.775>not <00:52:44.950>a <00:52:45.125>hundred <00:52:45.300>percent <00:52:45.475>sure <00:52:45.650>on <00:52:45.825>that.

1272
00:52:46.105 --> 00:52:49.245
<00:52:46.105>But <00:52:46.280>I <00:52:46.455>mean, <00:52:46.630>you <00:52:46.805>can <00:52:46.980>just <00:52:47.155>submit <00:52:47.330>a <00:52:47.505>chase

1273
00:52:49.245 --> 00:52:50.485
<00:52:49.245>and <00:52:49.404>then <00:52:49.563>I <00:52:49.723>can <00:52:49.882>put <00:52:50.042>it <00:52:50.201>in <00:52:50.361>the,

1274
00:52:50.505 --> 00:52:53.525
<00:52:50.505>in <00:52:50.645>the <00:52:50.785>correct <00:52:50.925>format <00:52:51.065>if <00:52:51.205>you <00:52:51.345>don't <00:52:51.485>have <00:52:51.625>more <00:52:51.765>time <00:52:51.905>to,

1275
00:52:54.585 --> 00:52:55.645
<00:52:54.585>to <00:52:54.903>12 <00:52:55.221>into <00:52:55.538>it.

1276
00:52:56.105 --> 00:52:57.125
<00:52:56.105>So <00:52:56.334>love <00:52:56.564>how <00:52:56.793>for, <00:52:57.023>for

1277
00:52:57.505 --> 00:52:58.505
<00:52:57.505>How? <00:52:57.805>I <00:52:58.105>love <00:52:58.405>how

1278
00:52:58.505 --> 00:52:59.165
<00:52:58.505>slow <00:52:58.802>it <00:52:59.099>is.

1279
00:52:59.445 --> 00:53:02.765
<00:52:59.445>I <00:52:59.600>love <00:52:59.756>how, <00:52:59.911>how <00:53:00.067>basically <00:53:00.222>just <00:53:00.378>learn <00:53:00.533>something <00:53:00.689>rather <00:53:00.845>than

1280
00:53:02.765 --> 00:53:05.525
<00:53:02.765>like, <00:53:02.920>and <00:53:03.076>here's <00:53:03.231>your <00:53:03.387>boom <00:53:03.542>a <00:53:03.698>hundred <00:53:03.853>plus <00:53:04.009>and <00:53:04.165>points

1281
00:53:05.745 --> 00:53:08.005
<00:53:05.745>and <00:53:05.920>like, <00:53:06.095>and <00:53:06.270>now <00:53:06.444>share <00:53:06.620>with <00:53:06.795>your <00:53:06.970>friends <00:53:07.145>Yes.

1282
00:53:08.025 --> 00:53:09.205
<00:53:08.025>On <00:53:08.290>x <00:53:08.556>what <00:53:08.821>you've <00:53:09.087>done.

1283
00:53:09.845 --> 00:53:11.525
<00:53:09.845>I <00:53:10.044>love <00:53:10.245>that <00:53:10.444>you <00:53:10.645>basically <00:53:10.845>kept <00:53:11.044>it <00:53:11.245>very,

1284
00:53:11.675 --> 00:53:15.565
<00:53:11.675>very <00:53:11.830>much <00:53:11.986>like <00:53:12.141>here's, <00:53:12.297>uh, <00:53:12.452>your <00:53:12.608>own <00:53:12.763>pace <00:53:12.919>learning <00:53:13.075>things.

1285
00:53:16.465 --> 00:53:18.685
<00:53:16.465>How <00:53:16.665>much <00:53:16.865>users <00:53:17.065>did, <00:53:17.265>do <00:53:17.465>you <00:53:17.665>even <00:53:17.865>track

1286
00:53:18.785 --> 00:53:20.485
<00:53:18.785>how <00:53:19.018>many <00:53:19.251>users <00:53:19.484>you <00:53:19.718>have <00:53:19.951>or <00:53:20.185>how

1287
00:53:20.485 --> 00:53:21.485
<00:53:20.485>Successively? <00:53:21.385>Um,

1288
00:53:21.485 --> 00:53:24.245
<00:53:21.485>yes. <00:53:21.685>So <00:53:21.885>currently <00:53:22.085>this <00:53:22.285>is <00:53:22.485>not <00:53:22.685>accurate <00:53:22.885>anymore.

1289
00:53:24.485 --> 00:53:27.845
<00:53:24.485>I <00:53:24.640>just <00:53:24.796>looked <00:53:24.951>up <00:53:25.107>yesterday <00:53:25.262>we <00:53:25.418>have <00:53:25.573>almost <00:53:25.729>4,000 <00:53:25.885>registered

1290
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<00:53:27.845>users <00:53:27.984>and <00:53:28.125>here's <00:53:28.265>some <00:53:28.404>stats <00:53:28.544>from <00:53:28.685>I <00:53:28.825>think <00:53:28.964>half <00:53:29.105>a <00:53:29.245>year,

1291
00:53:32.405 --> 00:53:33.725
<00:53:32.405>maybe <00:53:32.642>a <00:53:32.880>year <00:53:33.117>ago <00:53:33.355>on <00:53:33.593>like,

1292
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<00:53:33.735>which <00:53:33.935>are <00:53:34.135>the <00:53:34.335>most <00:53:34.535>popular <00:53:34.735>challenges <00:53:34.935>we <00:53:35.135>have.

1293
00:53:36.785 --> 00:53:40.085
<00:53:36.785>And <00:53:36.960>we <00:53:37.134>recently <00:53:37.310>also <00:53:37.484>added <00:53:37.660>this <00:53:37.835>mobile <00:53:38.009>friendly <00:53:38.185>challenge,

1294
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<00:53:40.135>which <00:53:40.483>is <00:53:40.832>only <00:53:41.181>a <00:53:41.529>quiz

1295
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<00:53:41.685>because <00:53:42.035>the <00:53:42.384>coding <00:53:42.735>editor <00:53:43.085>doesn't

1296
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<00:53:44.485>quite <00:53:44.686>work <00:53:44.888>on <00:53:45.089>a <00:53:45.291>mobile <00:53:45.493>phone.

1297
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<00:53:45.765>I <00:53:45.920>mean, <00:53:46.076>it <00:53:46.231>could, <00:53:46.387>but <00:53:46.542>it's <00:53:46.698>not <00:53:46.853>a <00:53:47.009>pleasant <00:53:47.165>experience.

1298
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<00:53:49.305>So <00:53:49.432>if <00:53:49.559>you're <00:53:49.686>like, <00:53:49.814>I <00:53:49.941>don't <00:53:50.068>know, <00:53:50.195>on <00:53:50.323>your <00:53:50.450>way <00:53:50.577>to <00:53:50.705>work

1299
00:53:51.545 --> 00:53:54.125
<00:53:51.545>and <00:53:51.745>you <00:53:51.945>just <00:53:52.145>want <00:53:52.345>to <00:53:52.545>review <00:53:52.745>some <00:53:52.945>content,

1300
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<00:53:54.225>you <00:53:54.392>can <00:53:54.559>do <00:53:54.726>it <00:53:54.893>with <00:53:55.060>the <00:53:55.227>quiz <00:53:55.395>levels.

1301
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<00:53:56.995>That <00:53:57.194>is <00:53:57.395>really <00:53:57.595>cool. <00:53:57.795>Mm-hmm. <00:53:57.995>I <00:53:58.194>love <00:53:58.395>it.

1302
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<00:53:59.295>Thank <00:53:59.995>you. <00:54:00.695>Yeah.

1303
00:54:01.065 --> 00:54:03.125
<00:54:01.065>Do <00:54:01.220>you <00:54:01.376>know <00:54:01.531>what <00:54:01.687>I <00:54:01.842>would <00:54:01.998>just <00:54:02.153>to, <00:54:02.309>to <00:54:02.465>sort

1304
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<00:54:03.125>of <00:54:03.296>pick <00:54:03.467>up <00:54:03.638>on <00:54:03.809>things <00:54:03.980>that <00:54:04.151>people <00:54:04.322>have <00:54:04.493>said

1305
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<00:54:04.645>to <00:54:04.813>us <00:54:04.981>in <00:54:05.149>the <00:54:05.317>past <00:54:05.484>about <00:54:05.653>this?

1306
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<00:54:06.005>'cause <00:54:06.180>it's, <00:54:06.355>um, <00:54:06.530>some, <00:54:06.705>somebody <00:54:06.880>said, <00:54:07.055>you <00:54:07.230>know, <00:54:07.405>one

1307
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<00:54:08.485>of <00:54:08.701>our <00:54:08.917>guests <00:54:09.133>about <00:54:09.349>sort <00:54:09.565>of <00:54:09.781>accessibility

1308
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<00:54:09.925>and <00:54:10.065>how, <00:54:10.205>you <00:54:10.345>know, <00:54:10.485>it's <00:54:10.625>this <00:54:10.765>never <00:54:10.905>ending <00:54:11.045>thing <00:54:11.185>that <00:54:11.325>you,

1309
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<00:54:12.385>you, <00:54:12.512>you <00:54:12.639>need <00:54:12.766>to <00:54:12.894>keep <00:54:13.021>kind <00:54:13.148>of, <00:54:13.275>um, <00:54:13.403>that <00:54:13.530>you <00:54:13.657>could <00:54:13.785>never,

1310
00:54:15.085 --> 00:54:16.925
<00:54:15.085>you <00:54:15.260>could <00:54:15.435>never, <00:54:15.610>there's <00:54:15.785>no, <00:54:15.960>there's <00:54:16.135>no <00:54:16.310>end <00:54:16.485>right

1311
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<00:54:16.985>to, <00:54:17.250>to <00:54:17.516>kind <00:54:17.781>of <00:54:18.047>accessibility.

1312
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<00:54:18.425>And <00:54:18.580>that, <00:54:18.736>when <00:54:18.891>we <00:54:19.047>kind <00:54:19.202>of <00:54:19.358>talked <00:54:19.513>about <00:54:19.669>this <00:54:19.825>idea

1313
00:54:20.645 --> 00:54:22.645
<00:54:20.645>of <00:54:20.820>could <00:54:20.995>you <00:54:21.170>learn <00:54:21.345>through <00:54:21.520>kind <00:54:21.695>of <00:54:21.870>quizzes <00:54:22.045>or,

1314
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<00:54:22.825>or <00:54:23.174>little <00:54:23.524>challenges <00:54:23.875>like <00:54:24.225>this,

1315
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<00:54:24.935>there <00:54:25.134>was <00:54:25.335>sometimes <00:54:25.535>a <00:54:25.735>feeling <00:54:25.935>of <00:54:26.134>like, <00:54:26.335>oh,

1316
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<00:54:26.685>but <00:54:26.871>there's <00:54:27.057>just <00:54:27.243>too <00:54:27.429>much <00:54:27.615>to <00:54:27.801>learn.

1317
00:54:27.945 --> 00:54:29.325
<00:54:27.945>You <00:54:28.122>know, <00:54:28.299>how <00:54:28.477>would <00:54:28.654>you <00:54:28.832>possibly <00:54:29.009>do <00:54:29.187>it?

1318
00:54:29.325 --> 00:54:30.405
<00:54:29.325>And <00:54:29.519>I <00:54:29.713>think <00:54:29.908>you've <00:54:30.102>nailed <00:54:30.297>it

1319
00:54:30.405 --> 00:54:32.925
<00:54:30.405>because <00:54:30.605>you've <00:54:30.805>this <00:54:31.005>stare <00:54:31.205>on <00:54:31.405>the <00:54:31.605>homepage, <00:54:31.805>um,

1320
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<00:54:33.025>one <00:54:33.180>step <00:54:33.336>at <00:54:33.491>a <00:54:33.647>time, <00:54:33.802>broken <00:54:33.958>down <00:54:34.113>into <00:54:34.269>manageable <00:54:34.425>pieces.

1321
00:54:35.505 --> 00:54:37.365
<00:54:35.505>And <00:54:35.680>if <00:54:35.855>you <00:54:36.030>get <00:54:36.205>to <00:54:36.380>the <00:54:36.555>end <00:54:36.730>of <00:54:36.905>that

1322
00:54:37.425 --> 00:54:39.845
<00:54:37.425>or <00:54:37.580>you <00:54:37.736>know, <00:54:37.891>you <00:54:38.047>get <00:54:38.202>quite <00:54:38.358>far <00:54:38.513>along, <00:54:38.669>you've, <00:54:38.825>you,

1323
00:54:39.945 --> 00:54:41.925
<00:54:39.945>you're <00:54:40.178>able <00:54:40.411>to <00:54:40.645>recognize <00:54:40.878>loads <00:54:41.111>and <00:54:41.345>loads

1324
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<00:54:41.925>and <00:54:42.125>loads <00:54:42.325>of <00:54:42.525>things <00:54:42.725>from <00:54:42.925>all <00:54:43.125>different <00:54:43.325>perspectives

1325
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<00:54:44.405>because <00:54:44.638>of <00:54:44.871>the <00:54:45.105>focus <00:54:45.338>of <00:54:45.571>the <00:54:45.805>challenges.

1326
00:54:46.545 --> 00:54:48.085
<00:54:46.545>And <00:54:46.891>you <00:54:47.238>won't <00:54:47.584>get <00:54:47.931>everything,

1327
00:54:48.085 --> 00:54:50.085
<00:54:48.085>but <00:54:48.260>you're <00:54:48.435>definitely <00:54:48.610>gonna <00:54:48.785>get <00:54:48.960>a <00:54:49.135>good, <00:54:49.310>good <00:54:49.485>amount

1328
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<00:54:50.085>of <00:54:50.643>accessibility <00:54:51.201>issues.

1329
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<00:54:51.385>So <00:54:51.585>I <00:54:51.785>think <00:54:51.985>you've <00:54:52.185>nailed <00:54:52.385>it <00:54:52.585>as <00:54:52.785>well

1330
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<00:54:53.005>as <00:54:53.132>making <00:54:53.259>the <00:54:53.386>UI <00:54:53.514>like <00:54:53.641>really <00:54:53.768>pleasant <00:54:53.895>to <00:54:54.023>use <00:54:54.150>and <00:54:54.277>look <00:54:54.405>at.

1331
00:54:56.595 --> 00:54:59.965
<00:54:56.595>It's <00:54:56.770>just <00:54:56.944>beautiful <00:54:57.120>uncluttered <00:54:57.294>Love <00:54:57.470>it. <00:54:57.645>Absolutely <00:54:57.819>love <00:54:57.995>it.

1332
00:55:00.625 --> 00:55:02.845
<00:55:00.625>Oh, <00:55:00.765>thank <00:55:00.905>you <00:55:01.045>so <00:55:01.185>much. <00:55:01.325>Yeah, <00:55:01.465>that <00:55:01.605>was <00:55:01.745>really <00:55:01.885>our <00:55:02.025>goal,

1333
00:55:02.905 --> 00:55:06.365
<00:55:02.905>to <00:55:03.060>help <00:55:03.216>people <00:55:03.371>not <00:55:03.527>be <00:55:03.682>overwhelmed <00:55:03.838>with <00:55:03.993>all <00:55:04.149>the <00:55:04.305>resources

1334
00:55:06.365 --> 00:55:08.445
<00:55:06.365>that <00:55:06.520>are <00:55:06.676>out <00:55:06.831>there <00:55:06.987>because <00:55:07.142>I <00:55:07.298>mean, <00:55:07.453>we're <00:55:07.609>limited <00:55:07.765>in

1335
00:55:08.445 --> 00:55:10.485
<00:55:08.445>what <00:55:08.678>kind <00:55:08.911>of <00:55:09.145>changes <00:55:09.378>we <00:55:09.611>can <00:55:09.845>do

1336
00:55:10.485 --> 00:55:12.765
<00:55:10.485>because <00:55:10.625>we <00:55:10.765>also <00:55:10.905>need <00:55:11.045>to <00:55:11.185>be <00:55:11.325>able <00:55:11.465>to <00:55:11.605>automatically <00:55:11.745>check <00:55:11.885>it.

1337
00:55:12.945 --> 00:55:17.805
<00:55:12.945>And <00:55:13.100>you <00:55:13.256>can't, <00:55:13.411>um, <00:55:13.567>like <00:55:13.722>check <00:55:13.878>all <00:55:14.033>activity <00:55:14.189>things <00:55:14.345>only

1338
00:55:17.805 --> 00:55:19.325
<00:55:17.805>with <00:55:18.261>automated, <00:55:18.716>um, <00:55:19.173>testing.

1339
00:55:19.865 --> 00:55:22.485
<00:55:19.865>But <00:55:20.040>like <00:55:20.214>for <00:55:20.390>starting <00:55:20.564>and <00:55:20.740>like <00:55:20.915>learning <00:55:21.089>the <00:55:21.265>basics

1340
00:55:22.585 --> 00:55:23.885
<00:55:22.585>or <00:55:23.170>like, <00:55:23.755>um,

1341
00:55:24.115 --> 00:55:26.565
<00:55:24.115>reviewing <00:55:24.290>the <00:55:24.464>basics <00:55:24.640>you <00:55:24.814>have <00:55:24.990>once <00:55:25.165>learned <00:55:25.339>years <00:55:25.515>ago,

1342
00:55:26.885 --> 00:55:28.725
<00:55:26.885>I <00:55:27.060>think <00:55:27.235>it's, <00:55:27.410>it's <00:55:27.585>a <00:55:27.760>great <00:55:27.935>way <00:55:28.110>to <00:55:28.285>start.

1343
00:55:29.385 --> 00:55:30.805
<00:55:29.385>Mm-hmm. <00:55:30.663>Absolutely.

1344
00:55:31.105 --> 00:55:32.565
<00:55:31.105>And <00:55:31.324>if <00:55:31.543>you <00:55:31.762>want <00:55:31.981>to <00:55:32.200>get <00:55:32.419>investment,

1345
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<00:55:32.835>just <00:55:33.035>basically <00:55:33.235>replace <00:55:33.435>all <00:55:33.635>the <00:55:33.835>loading <00:55:34.035>and <00:55:34.235>uh,

1346
00:55:35.765 --> 00:55:37.765
<00:55:35.765>and <00:55:36.115>analyzing <00:55:36.464>messages <00:55:36.815>with <00:55:37.165>thinking

1347
00:55:37.765 --> 00:55:39.205
<00:55:37.765>and <00:55:38.024>then <00:55:38.283>say <00:55:38.542>it <00:55:38.801>uses <00:55:39.060>ai.

1348
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<00:55:41.705>That's <00:55:42.055>a <00:55:42.404>great <00:55:42.755>idea. <00:55:43.105>Cool.

1349
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<00:55:46.585>So <00:55:46.818>this <00:55:47.051>is, <00:55:47.285>uh, <00:55:47.518>elephant <00:55:47.751>tried <00:55:47.985>out

1350
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<00:55:48.785>and <00:55:48.960>I <00:55:49.134>think <00:55:49.310>it's <00:55:49.484>a <00:55:49.660>very, <00:55:49.835>very <00:55:50.009>cute <00:55:50.185>idea

1351
00:55:50.545 --> 00:55:53.245
<00:55:50.545>to <00:55:50.778>basically <00:55:51.011>get <00:55:51.245>started <00:55:51.478>without <00:55:51.711>being <00:55:51.945>overwhelmed.

1352
00:55:53.485 --> 00:55:55.845
<00:55:53.485>'cause <00:55:53.660>there's <00:55:53.835>lots <00:55:54.010>of <00:55:54.185>like <00:55:54.360>learning <00:55:54.535>courses <00:55:54.710>on <00:55:54.885>MDN

1353
00:55:55.865 --> 00:55:57.845
<00:55:55.865>and <00:55:56.098>hydrological <00:55:56.331>and <00:55:56.564>other <00:55:56.798>people <00:55:57.031>do <00:55:57.265>that,

1354
00:55:57.905 --> 00:55:59.845
<00:55:57.905>but <00:55:58.138>I <00:55:58.371>always <00:55:58.605>feel <00:55:58.838>like <00:55:59.071>there's, <00:55:59.305>they're,

1355
00:55:59.845 --> 00:56:01.685
<00:55:59.845>they're <00:56:00.044>overwhelming, <00:56:00.245>but <00:56:00.444>this <00:56:00.645>is <00:56:00.845>just <00:56:01.044>a, <00:56:01.245>a,

1356
00:56:01.965 --> 00:56:03.205
<00:56:01.965>a <00:56:02.188>joyous <00:56:02.411>little <00:56:02.634>thing <00:56:02.857>to <00:56:03.081>do

1357
00:56:03.475 --> 00:56:05.845
<00:56:03.475>that <00:56:03.674>editors <00:56:03.875>should <00:56:04.075>do <00:56:04.275>for <00:56:04.475>you <00:56:04.674>as <00:56:04.875>well.

1358
00:56:05.905 --> 00:56:07.805
<00:56:05.905>But <00:56:06.080>a <00:56:06.255>lot <00:56:06.430>of <00:56:06.605>people <00:56:06.780>forget <00:56:06.955>about <00:56:07.130>the <00:56:07.305>basics

1359
00:56:07.805 --> 00:56:10.495
<00:56:07.805>and <00:56:08.004>uh, <00:56:08.205>it's <00:56:08.404>very <00:56:08.605>simple <00:56:08.805>to <00:56:09.004>break <00:56:09.205>things.

1360
00:56:10.605 --> 00:56:13.655
<00:56:10.605>It's <00:56:10.732>very <00:56:10.859>easy <00:56:10.986>to <00:56:11.114>make <00:56:11.241>a <00:56:11.368>form <00:56:11.495>submit <00:56:11.623>when <00:56:11.750>you <00:56:11.877>press <00:56:12.005>the

1361
00:56:13.655 --> 00:56:15.255
<00:56:13.655>button <00:56:13.830>as <00:56:14.005>well, <00:56:14.180>or <00:56:14.355>when <00:56:14.530>you <00:56:14.705>use <00:56:14.880>a <00:56:15.055>keyboard

1362
00:56:15.395 --> 00:56:16.935
<00:56:15.395>or <00:56:15.626>when <00:56:15.857>you <00:56:16.087>use <00:56:16.319>a <00:56:16.550>voice <00:56:16.781>recognition

1363
00:56:16.935 --> 00:56:19.015
<00:56:16.935>and <00:56:17.062>that's <00:56:17.189>what <00:56:17.316>a <00:56:17.444>button <00:56:17.571>does <00:56:17.698>and <00:56:17.825>the <00:56:17.953>link <00:56:18.080>wouldn't <00:56:18.207>do <00:56:18.335>that.

1364
00:56:20.555 --> 00:56:22.285
<00:56:20.555>Cool. <00:56:20.788>What <00:56:21.021>else <00:56:21.254>you <00:56:21.488>got <00:56:21.721>for <00:56:21.955>us?

1365
00:56:22.825 --> 00:56:27.045
<00:56:22.825>Yes, <00:56:23.000>another <00:56:23.174>link <00:56:23.350>I <00:56:23.524>brought <00:56:23.700>is <00:56:23.875>a <00:56:24.049>website, <00:56:24.225>um,

1366
00:56:27.075 --> 00:56:30.445
<00:56:27.075>with <00:56:27.355>some <00:56:27.634>accessibility <00:56:27.915>bookmarklets <00:56:28.194>I <00:56:28.475>coded

1367
00:56:30.625 --> 00:56:32.765
<00:56:30.625>and <00:56:30.858>designed <00:56:31.091>back <00:56:31.325>at <00:56:31.558>my <00:56:31.791>former <00:56:32.025>company

1368
00:56:33.675 --> 00:56:35.925
<00:56:33.675>because <00:56:33.875>I <00:56:34.075>think <00:56:34.275>this <00:56:34.475>is <00:56:34.675>more <00:56:34.875>for <00:56:35.075>people

1369
00:56:35.945 --> 00:56:37.285
<00:56:35.945>who <00:56:36.347>are <00:56:36.749>testing <00:56:37.151>accessibility.

1370
00:56:37.445 --> 00:56:38.925
<00:56:37.445>I <00:56:37.611>mean, <00:56:37.778>it <00:56:37.944>can <00:56:38.111>also <00:56:38.277>be <00:56:38.444>used <00:56:38.610>by <00:56:38.777>devs,

1371
00:56:38.945 --> 00:56:42.325
<00:56:38.945>but <00:56:39.100>what <00:56:39.256>I <00:56:39.411>often <00:56:39.567>encounter <00:56:39.722>when <00:56:39.878>I <00:56:40.033>do <00:56:40.189>manual <00:56:40.345>accessibility

1372
00:56:42.325 --> 00:56:45.725
<00:56:42.325>testing, <00:56:42.500>I <00:56:42.674>use <00:56:42.850>a <00:56:43.024>lot <00:56:43.200>of <00:56:43.375>different <00:56:43.549>browser, <00:56:43.725>um,

1373
00:56:45.845 --> 00:56:48.045
<00:56:45.845>bookmark <00:56:46.125>lists, <00:56:46.404>but <00:56:46.685>also <00:56:46.964>browser <00:56:47.245>extensions

1374
00:56:48.065 --> 00:56:49.765
<00:56:48.065>as <00:56:48.298>you <00:56:48.531>can <00:56:48.765>probably <00:56:48.998>see <00:56:49.231>up <00:56:49.465>here.

1375
00:56:50.265 --> 00:56:55.245
<00:56:50.265>But <00:56:50.464>sometimes <00:56:50.665>you're <00:56:50.865>testing, <00:56:51.065>um, <00:56:51.265>websites <00:56:51.464>or <00:56:51.665>PDFs

1376
00:56:55.245 --> 00:56:57.405
<00:56:55.245>or <00:56:55.444>things <00:56:55.645>that <00:56:55.845>where <00:56:56.045>it <00:56:56.245>is <00:56:56.444>not <00:56:56.645>possible

1377
00:56:57.405 --> 00:56:59.165
<00:56:57.405>to <00:56:57.871>install <00:56:58.338>something <00:56:58.805>like

1378
00:56:59.515 --> 00:57:01.805
<00:56:59.515>because <00:56:59.795>of <00:57:00.075>corporate <00:57:00.355>restrictions, <00:57:00.634>for <00:57:00.915>example.

1379
00:57:01.985 --> 00:57:04.405
<00:57:01.985>So <00:57:02.140>then <00:57:02.296>it's <00:57:02.451>very, <00:57:02.607>um, <00:57:02.762>good <00:57:02.918>that <00:57:03.073>you <00:57:03.229>have <00:57:03.385>a,

1380
00:57:04.525 --> 00:57:08.045
<00:57:04.525>a <00:57:04.680>browser <00:57:04.836>book <00:57:04.991>market <00:57:05.147>because <00:57:05.302>what <00:57:05.458>that <00:57:05.613>basically <00:57:05.769>is, <00:57:05.925>um,

1381
00:57:08.225 --> 00:57:10.525
<00:57:08.225>is, <00:57:08.380>is <00:57:08.536>a <00:57:08.691>snippet <00:57:08.847>of <00:57:09.002>code <00:57:09.158>you <00:57:09.313>can <00:57:09.469>save <00:57:09.625>in

1382
00:57:10.525 --> 00:57:11.605
<00:57:10.525>your <00:57:10.849>book <00:57:11.173>market <00:57:11.497>bar.

1383
00:57:11.965 --> 00:57:14.205
<00:57:11.965>I <00:57:12.165>have <00:57:12.365>a <00:57:12.565>lot <00:57:12.765>of <00:57:12.965>different <00:57:13.165>ones, <00:57:13.365>uh,

1384
00:57:14.205 --> 00:57:15.325
<00:57:14.205>in <00:57:14.373>use <00:57:14.540>as <00:57:14.709>you <00:57:14.877>can <00:57:15.045>see <00:57:15.212>here.

1385
00:57:15.905 --> 00:57:17.565
<00:57:15.905>Um, <00:57:16.105>and <00:57:16.305>you <00:57:16.505>can <00:57:16.705>use <00:57:16.905>it <00:57:17.105>for <00:57:17.305>testing.

1386
00:57:17.905 --> 00:57:20.285
<00:57:17.905>And <00:57:18.105>so <00:57:18.305>on <00:57:18.505>this <00:57:18.705>website <00:57:18.905>we <00:57:19.105>collected <00:57:19.305>two

1387
00:57:20.285 --> 00:57:21.525
<00:57:20.285>different <00:57:20.843>book <00:57:21.401>markets.

1388
00:57:21.945 --> 00:57:24.205
<00:57:21.945>Um, <00:57:22.295>my <00:57:22.645>colleagues, <00:57:22.995>um, <00:57:23.345>coded.

1389
00:57:24.705 --> 00:57:27.325
<00:57:24.705>One <00:57:24.832>is <00:57:24.959>a <00:57:25.086>color <00:57:25.214>contrast <00:57:25.341>checker <00:57:25.468>and <00:57:25.595>the <00:57:25.723>other <00:57:25.850>one <00:57:25.977>is <00:57:26.105>Spot.

1390
00:57:27.385 --> 00:57:30.565
<00:57:27.385>And <00:57:27.540>I <00:57:27.696>wanted <00:57:27.851>to <00:57:28.007>quickly <00:57:28.162>show <00:57:28.318>you <00:57:28.473>the <00:57:28.629>first <00:57:28.785>one,

1391
00:57:31.475 --> 00:57:32.895
<00:57:31.475>the <00:57:31.901>color <00:57:32.327>contrast <00:57:32.753>checker.

1392
00:57:33.215 --> 00:57:35.535
<00:57:33.215>I <00:57:33.355>mean <00:57:33.495>there <00:57:33.635>are <00:57:33.775>tons <00:57:33.915>of <00:57:34.055>color <00:57:34.195>contrast <00:57:34.335>checkers <00:57:34.475>out <00:57:34.615>there,

1393
00:57:35.555 --> 00:57:39.495
<00:57:35.555>but <00:57:35.730>what <00:57:35.904>I <00:57:36.080>find <00:57:36.254>particularly <00:57:36.430>useful, <00:57:36.605>if <00:57:36.779>I <00:57:36.955>want

1394
00:57:39.495 --> 00:57:43.255
<00:57:39.495>to <00:57:39.611>install <00:57:39.728>it, <00:57:39.845>I <00:57:39.961>could <00:57:40.078>just <00:57:40.194>drag <00:57:40.311>it <00:57:40.428>to <00:57:40.545>my <00:57:40.661>book <00:57:40.778>market <00:57:40.895>bar

1395
00:57:43.595 --> 00:57:44.655
<00:57:43.595>and <00:57:43.913>then <00:57:44.231>open <00:57:44.549>it.

1396
00:57:45.135 --> 00:57:46.575
<00:57:45.135>I <00:57:45.459>can <00:57:45.783>drag <00:57:46.107>it <00:57:46.431>around

1397
00:57:47.075 --> 00:57:51.015
<00:57:47.075>and <00:57:47.214>I <00:57:47.355>have <00:57:47.495>this <00:57:47.634>PPE <00:57:47.774>tool <00:57:47.915>where <00:57:48.055>I <00:57:48.194>can <00:57:48.335>go <00:57:48.475>in

1398
00:57:51.475 --> 00:57:56.195
<00:57:51.475>and <00:57:51.674>just <00:57:51.875>select <00:57:52.075>my <00:57:52.275>colors <00:57:52.475>to <00:57:52.674>check, <00:57:52.875>um,

1399
00:57:56.785 --> 00:57:58.235
<00:57:56.785>what <00:57:57.111>the <00:57:57.437>contrast <00:57:57.763>ratio <00:57:58.090>is.

1400
00:57:58.235 --> 00:58:01.955
<00:57:58.235>And <00:57:58.390>then <00:57:58.546>I <00:57:58.701>see <00:57:58.857>for, <00:57:59.012>uh, <00:57:59.168>WCAG <00:57:59.323>is <00:57:59.479>it <00:57:59.635>complying

1401
00:58:01.955 --> 00:58:03.075
<00:58:01.955>or <00:58:02.207>is <00:58:02.459>it <00:58:02.711>not <00:58:02.962>complying?

1402
00:58:03.255 --> 00:58:04.555
<00:58:03.255>And <00:58:03.450>then <00:58:03.645>I <00:58:03.840>can <00:58:04.035>also <00:58:04.230>go <00:58:04.424>in

1403
00:58:04.775 --> 00:58:08.475
<00:58:04.775>and <00:58:04.891>copy, <00:58:05.008>uh, <00:58:05.125>a <00:58:05.241>text <00:58:05.358>that <00:58:05.475>it <00:58:05.591>is <00:58:05.708>planning <00:58:05.825>if <00:58:05.941>it <00:58:06.058>is <00:58:06.175>failing

1404
00:58:08.495 --> 00:58:11.075
<00:58:08.495>or <00:58:08.650>not <00:58:08.806>to <00:58:08.961>directly <00:58:09.117>use <00:58:09.272>in <00:58:09.428>my <00:58:09.583>report, <00:58:09.739>for <00:58:09.895>example.

1405
00:58:11.335 --> 00:58:13.555
<00:58:11.335>And <00:58:11.535>I <00:58:11.735>can <00:58:11.935>also <00:58:12.135>quickly <00:58:12.335>take <00:58:12.535>a <00:58:12.735>screenshot.

1406
00:58:14.175 --> 00:58:17.835
<00:58:14.175>And <00:58:14.291>the <00:58:14.408>thing <00:58:14.525>is <00:58:14.641>that <00:58:14.758>is <00:58:14.875>it <00:58:14.991>not <00:58:15.108>only <00:58:15.225>works, <00:58:15.341>uh, <00:58:15.458>on <00:58:15.575>websites,

1407
00:58:17.935 --> 00:58:20.715
<00:58:17.935>it <00:58:18.090>also <00:58:18.246>works <00:58:18.401>on <00:58:18.557>PDFs <00:58:18.712>I <00:58:18.868>have <00:58:19.023>open <00:58:19.179>or <00:58:19.335>anything.

1408
00:58:20.835 --> 00:58:24.715
<00:58:20.835>I <00:58:20.975>have <00:58:21.115>currently <00:58:21.255>open <00:58:21.395>on <00:58:21.535>the <00:58:21.675>screen, <00:58:21.815>um, <00:58:21.955>with <00:58:22.095>this <00:58:22.235>ppe.

1409
00:58:24.715 --> 00:58:26.235
<00:58:24.715>So <00:58:25.057>that's <00:58:25.399>pretty, <00:58:25.741>pretty <00:58:26.083>handy

1410
00:58:26.235 --> 00:58:28.595
<00:58:26.235>because <00:58:26.515>sometimes <00:58:26.795>you <00:58:27.075>maybe <00:58:27.355>can't <00:58:27.635>get

1411
00:58:29.185 --> 00:58:30.515
<00:58:29.185>into <00:58:29.584>the <00:58:29.982>developer <00:58:30.382>tools

1412
00:58:30.575 --> 00:58:33.995
<00:58:30.575>or <00:58:30.702>with <00:58:30.829>A <00:58:30.956>PDF, <00:58:31.084>like <00:58:31.211>how <00:58:31.338>do <00:58:31.465>you <00:58:31.593>get <00:58:31.720>the <00:58:31.847>color <00:58:31.975>otherwise?

1413
00:58:34.175 --> 00:58:36.555
<00:58:34.175>So <00:58:34.525>that's <00:58:34.875>pretty <00:58:35.225>handy. <00:58:35.575>Mm-hmm.

1414
00:58:37.495 --> 00:58:40.835
<00:58:37.495>Um, <00:58:37.670>and <00:58:37.845>the <00:58:38.020>other, <00:58:38.194>uh, <00:58:38.370>the <00:58:38.545>other <00:58:38.720>one, <00:58:38.895>um,

1415
00:58:41.255 --> 00:58:44.115
<00:58:41.255>but <00:58:41.535>um, <00:58:41.815>is <00:58:42.095>also <00:58:42.375>for <00:58:42.655>testing.

1416
00:58:44.555 --> 00:58:48.315
<00:58:44.555>I <00:58:44.730>implemented <00:58:44.904>a <00:58:45.080>little <00:58:45.254>bug <00:58:45.430>on <00:58:45.605>the <00:58:45.779>elephant <00:58:45.955>page

1417
00:58:48.315 --> 00:58:49.715
<00:58:48.315>to <00:58:48.495>actually <00:58:48.675>show <00:58:48.855>you <00:58:49.035>because <00:58:49.215>I <00:58:49.395>didn't <00:58:49.575>want

1418
00:58:49.715 --> 00:58:52.075
<00:58:49.715>to <00:58:49.995>like <00:58:50.275>blame <00:58:50.555>any <00:58:50.835>other <00:58:51.115>website.

1419
00:58:52.575 --> 00:58:54.835
<00:58:52.575>But <00:58:52.855>if <00:58:53.134>I <00:58:53.415>launch <00:58:53.694>bar, <00:58:53.975>um,

1420
00:58:55.495 --> 00:58:58.675
<00:58:55.495>we <00:58:55.634>can <00:58:55.775>see <00:58:55.915>we <00:58:56.055>have <00:58:56.194>a <00:58:56.335>serious <00:58:56.475>issue <00:58:56.615>on <00:58:56.755>this <00:58:56.895>website

1421
00:58:58.675 --> 00:59:00.395
<00:58:58.675>because <00:58:58.908>we <00:58:59.141>don't <00:58:59.375>have <00:58:59.608>a <00:58:59.841>title <00:59:00.075>attribute.

1422
00:59:00.695 --> 00:59:04.035
<00:59:00.695>And <00:59:00.835>what <00:59:00.975>Bard <00:59:01.115>is <00:59:01.255>basically <00:59:01.395>doing <00:59:01.535>it <00:59:01.675>is <00:59:01.815>using <00:59:01.955>X <00:59:02.095>core

1423
00:59:04.175 --> 00:59:05.435
<00:59:04.175>to <00:59:04.553>scan <00:59:04.931>the <00:59:05.309>website

1424
00:59:05.435 --> 00:59:09.435
<00:59:05.435>and <00:59:05.575>then <00:59:05.715>you <00:59:05.855>have <00:59:05.995>some <00:59:06.134>different <00:59:06.275>options, <00:59:06.415>um, <00:59:06.555>you <00:59:06.695>can <00:59:06.835>use.

1425
00:59:09.495 --> 00:59:12.595
<00:59:09.495>And <00:59:09.634>then <00:59:09.775>here <00:59:09.915>I <00:59:10.055>can <00:59:10.194>see, <00:59:10.335>okay, <00:59:10.475>this <00:59:10.615>is <00:59:10.755>my, <00:59:10.895>uh,

1426
00:59:12.595 --> 00:59:13.715
<00:59:12.595>my <00:59:12.931>issue, <00:59:13.267>it's <00:59:13.603>serious.

1427
00:59:14.115 --> 00:59:16.235
<00:59:14.115>I <00:59:14.254>have <00:59:14.395>an <00:59:14.535>option <00:59:14.674>to <00:59:14.814>highlight <00:59:14.955>the <00:59:15.095>error <00:59:15.234>on <00:59:15.375>the <00:59:15.515>page.

1428
00:59:16.475 --> 00:59:18.675
<00:59:16.475>I <00:59:16.755>will <00:59:17.035>highlight <00:59:17.315>the <00:59:17.595>whole <00:59:17.875>page

1429
00:59:18.675 --> 00:59:20.835
<00:59:18.675>because <00:59:18.908>it <00:59:19.141>is, <00:59:19.375>uh, <00:59:19.608>the <00:59:19.841>HDML <00:59:20.075>element,

1430
00:59:21.225 --> 00:59:23.005
<00:59:21.225>but <00:59:21.400>if <00:59:21.575>it <00:59:21.750>would <00:59:21.924>only <00:59:22.100>be <00:59:22.275>like <00:59:22.450>this <00:59:22.625>button,

1431
00:59:23.465 --> 00:59:24.605
<00:59:23.465>it <00:59:23.721>would <00:59:23.978>highlight <00:59:24.234>the <00:59:24.491>button.

1432
00:59:25.245 --> 00:59:29.205
<00:59:25.245>I <00:59:25.352>also <00:59:25.460>have <00:59:25.568>some <00:59:25.675>link, <00:59:25.783>uh, <00:59:25.891>links <00:59:25.998>to <00:59:26.106>go, <00:59:26.214>um, <00:59:26.321>to <00:59:26.429>get <00:59:26.537>it <00:59:26.645>fixed

1433
00:59:29.225 --> 00:59:31.005
<00:59:29.225>to <00:59:29.575>have <00:59:29.924>some <00:59:30.275>help <00:59:30.625>there.

1434
00:59:31.625 --> 00:59:33.085
<00:59:31.625>Um, <00:59:31.844>and <00:59:32.063>so <00:59:32.282>this <00:59:32.501>is <00:59:32.720>also <00:59:32.939>option

1435
00:59:33.085 --> 00:59:36.645
<00:59:33.085>to <00:59:33.212>like <00:59:33.339>run <00:59:33.466>a <00:59:33.594>quick <00:59:33.721>check <00:59:33.848>if <00:59:33.975>you're <00:59:34.103>not <00:59:34.230>able <00:59:34.357>to, <00:59:34.485>um,

1436
00:59:36.665 --> 00:59:38.765
<00:59:36.665>to <00:59:36.945>install <00:59:37.225>anything <00:59:37.505>into <00:59:37.785>the <00:59:38.065>browser

1437
00:59:38.825 --> 00:59:40.125
<00:59:38.825>you're <00:59:39.117>using <00:59:39.410>for <00:59:39.702>your <00:59:39.995>testing.

1438
00:59:41.785 --> 00:59:44.995
<00:59:41.785>This <00:59:41.912>is <00:59:42.039>very <00:59:42.166>cool. <00:59:42.294>I <00:59:42.421>mean, <00:59:42.548>I <00:59:42.675>worked <00:59:42.803>on <00:59:42.930>the <00:59:43.057>developer <00:59:43.185>tools

1439
00:59:45.215 --> 00:59:48.035
<00:59:45.215>for <00:59:45.370>Edge <00:59:45.526>for, <00:59:45.681>for <00:59:45.837>five <00:59:45.992>years <00:59:46.148>as <00:59:46.303>the <00:59:46.459>product <00:59:46.615>manager

1440
00:59:48.095 --> 00:59:50.035
<00:59:48.095>and <00:59:48.234>I <00:59:48.375>put <00:59:48.515>a <00:59:48.654>lot <00:59:48.794>of <00:59:48.935>stuff <00:59:49.075>into <00:59:49.214>there <00:59:49.355>as <00:59:49.495>well.

1441
00:59:50.055 --> 00:59:53.435
<00:59:50.055>But <00:59:50.210>the <00:59:50.366>problem <00:59:50.521>is <00:59:50.677>that <00:59:50.832>the <00:59:50.988>developer <00:59:51.143>tools <00:59:51.299>are <00:59:51.455>existing

1442
00:59:53.435 --> 00:59:55.715
<00:59:53.435>of <00:59:53.668>like <00:59:53.901>27 <00:59:54.134>different <00:59:54.368>tools <00:59:54.601>inside <00:59:54.835>tools.

1443
00:59:55.715 --> 00:59:57.515
<00:59:55.715>So <00:59:55.915>it's <00:59:56.115>really <00:59:56.315>hard <00:59:56.515>to <00:59:56.715>find <00:59:56.915>these <00:59:57.115>things.

1444
00:59:58.375 --> 01:00:00.875
<00:59:58.375>One <00:59:58.515>thing <00:59:58.655>we <00:59:58.795>did <00:59:58.935>as <00:59:59.075>well <00:59:59.215>is <00:59:59.355>put <00:59:59.495>like <00:59:59.635>an <00:59:59.775>extension

1445
01:00:00.875 --> 01:00:03.395
<01:00:00.875>for <01:00:01.030>Visual <01:00:01.186>Studio <01:00:01.341>Code <01:00:01.497>that <01:00:01.652>actually <01:00:01.808>why <01:00:01.963>you're <01:00:02.119>coding <01:00:02.275>it.

1446
01:00:03.395 --> 01:00:05.555
<01:00:03.395>It <01:00:03.550>tells <01:00:03.706>you <01:00:03.861>those <01:00:04.017>things <01:00:04.172>like <01:00:04.328>your <01:00:04.483>title <01:00:04.639>is <01:00:04.795>missing

1447
01:00:05.655 --> 01:00:07.035
<01:00:05.655>and <01:00:05.903>we're <01:00:06.151>also <01:00:06.400>using <01:00:06.648>X <01:00:06.897>core

1448
01:00:07.095 --> 01:00:10.435
<01:00:07.095>and <01:00:07.250>D <01:00:07.406>deck <01:00:07.561>links <01:00:07.717>to <01:00:07.872>actually <01:00:08.028>explain, <01:00:08.183>uh, <01:00:08.339>or <01:00:08.495>deq.

1449
01:00:10.555 --> 01:00:11.635
<01:00:10.555>I <01:00:10.717>never <01:00:10.879>know <01:00:11.041>how <01:00:11.203>to <01:00:11.365>pronounce <01:00:11.527>them.

1450
01:00:12.095 --> 01:00:14.955
<01:00:12.095>Uh, <01:00:12.294>and, <01:00:12.495>and <01:00:12.694>it's <01:00:12.895>uh, <01:00:13.095>it's, <01:00:13.294>it's <01:00:13.495>interesting

1451
01:00:14.955 --> 01:00:17.795
<01:00:14.955>to <01:00:15.110>just <01:00:15.266>do <01:00:15.421>a <01:00:15.577>quick <01:00:15.732>uh, <01:00:15.888>uh, <01:00:16.043>uh, <01:00:16.199>spot <01:00:16.355>test

1452
01:00:17.945 --> 01:00:19.075
<01:00:17.945>with <01:00:18.199>that <01:00:18.453>kind <01:00:18.707>of <01:00:18.962>stuff.

1453
01:00:19.465 --> 01:00:22.315
<01:00:19.465>There's <01:00:19.698>also <01:00:19.931>extensions <01:00:20.165>like, <01:00:20.398>uh, <01:00:20.631>accessibility <01:00:20.865>insights

1454
01:00:22.315 --> 01:00:24.235
<01:00:22.315>for <01:00:22.515>Microsoft <01:00:22.715>that <01:00:22.915>allows <01:00:23.115>you <01:00:23.315>to <01:00:23.515>tie <01:00:23.715>in

1455
01:00:24.235 --> 01:00:26.995
<01:00:24.235>with <01:00:24.375>your <01:00:24.515>bug <01:00:24.655>tracker <01:00:24.795>to <01:00:24.935>actually <01:00:25.075>when <01:00:25.215>you <01:00:25.355>find <01:00:25.495>issues <01:00:25.635>like

1456
01:00:26.995 --> 01:00:28.515
<01:00:26.995>that <01:00:27.337>to <01:00:27.679>file <01:00:28.020>box <01:00:28.363>directly.

1457
01:00:28.775 --> 01:00:30.595
<01:00:28.775>So <01:00:28.975>I <01:00:29.175>found <01:00:29.375>that <01:00:29.575>really <01:00:29.775>useful <01:00:29.975>as <01:00:30.175>well.

1458
01:00:30.855 --> 01:00:33.275
<01:00:30.855>But <01:00:31.030>I <01:00:31.205>love <01:00:31.380>that <01:00:31.555>you <01:00:31.730>can <01:00:31.905>just <01:00:32.080>do <01:00:32.255>bookmarklets

1459
01:00:33.275 --> 01:00:34.355
<01:00:33.275>so <01:00:33.518>people <01:00:33.761>forget <01:00:34.004>about <01:00:34.247>that.

1460
01:00:34.385 --> 01:00:35.955
<01:00:34.385>It's <01:00:34.735>such <01:00:35.085>a <01:00:35.435>wonderful <01:00:35.785>art

1461
01:00:36.185 --> 01:00:38.595
<01:00:36.185>because, <01:00:36.360>uh, <01:00:36.535>you <01:00:36.710>don't <01:00:36.884>need <01:00:37.060>to <01:00:37.235>write <01:00:37.410>an <01:00:37.585>extension

1462
01:00:38.595 --> 01:00:40.875
<01:00:38.595>and <01:00:38.750>then <01:00:38.906>worry <01:00:39.061>that <01:00:39.217>Google <01:00:39.372>is <01:00:39.528>changing <01:00:39.683>the <01:00:39.839>extension <01:00:39.995>model

1463
01:00:40.885 --> 01:00:44.315
<01:00:40.885>again <01:00:41.040>for <01:00:41.196>browsers <01:00:41.351>when <01:00:41.507>you <01:00:41.662>just <01:00:41.818>can <01:00:41.973>inject <01:00:42.129>some <01:00:42.285>JavaScript

1464
01:00:44.385 --> 01:00:47.315
<01:00:44.385>into <01:00:44.585>the <01:00:44.785>page <01:00:44.985>and <01:00:45.185>create <01:00:45.385>whatever <01:00:45.585>you <01:00:45.785>want

1465
01:00:47.425 --> 01:00:48.435
<01:00:47.425>with <01:00:47.652>these <01:00:47.879>kind <01:00:48.106>of <01:00:48.334>things.

1466
01:00:48.455 --> 01:00:51.275
<01:00:48.455>So <01:00:48.630>it's <01:00:48.805>a <01:00:48.980>very <01:00:49.154>cool <01:00:49.330>little, <01:00:49.505>uh, <01:00:49.680>uh, <01:00:49.855>opportunity

1467
01:00:51.455 --> 01:00:52.715
<01:00:51.455>to <01:00:51.738>try <01:00:52.022>these <01:00:52.305>things <01:00:52.589>out.

1468
01:00:53.265 --> 01:00:55.395
<01:00:53.265>With <01:00:53.440>the <01:00:53.615>contrast <01:00:53.790>checker, <01:00:53.964>the <01:00:54.140>biggest <01:00:54.315>problem <01:00:54.490>I <01:00:54.665>found

1469
01:00:55.395 --> 01:00:56.435
<01:00:55.395>with <01:00:55.707>like <01:00:56.019>half <01:00:56.331>transparency

1470
01:00:56.615 --> 01:01:00.115
<01:00:56.615>and <01:00:56.770>things <01:00:56.926>like <01:00:57.081>that, <01:00:57.237>like <01:00:57.392>you, <01:00:57.548>even <01:00:57.703>from <01:00:57.859>the <01:00:58.015>rendering

1471
01:01:00.115 --> 01:01:03.435
<01:01:00.115>of <01:01:00.254>the <01:01:00.395>browser <01:01:00.535>from <01:01:00.674>the <01:01:00.814>engine <01:01:00.955>directly, <01:01:01.095>it <01:01:01.234>couldn't <01:01:01.375>tell <01:01:01.515>us

1472
01:01:03.435 --> 01:01:05.275
<01:01:03.435>what <01:01:03.715>the <01:01:03.995>real <01:01:04.275>contrast <01:01:04.555>is <01:01:04.835>there.

1473
01:01:05.975 --> 01:01:07.555
<01:01:05.975>So <01:01:06.325>it's <01:01:06.674>sometimes <01:01:07.025>really <01:01:07.375>important

1474
01:01:07.615 --> 01:01:09.635
<01:01:07.615>to <01:01:07.770>actually <01:01:07.926>do <01:01:08.081>a <01:01:08.237>spot <01:01:08.392>check <01:01:08.548>with <01:01:08.703>people <01:01:08.859>as <01:01:09.015>well.

1475
01:01:09.635 --> 01:01:10.635
<01:01:09.635>Like <01:01:09.860>this <01:01:10.085>is <01:01:10.310>not <01:01:10.535>readable,

1476
01:01:10.635 --> 01:01:13.635
<01:01:10.635>even <01:01:10.790>if <01:01:10.946>it <01:01:11.101>does <01:01:11.257>have <01:01:11.412>the <01:01:11.568>right <01:01:11.723>contrast <01:01:11.879>out <01:01:12.035>there.

1477
01:01:14.985 --> 01:01:16.995
<01:01:14.985>Exactly. <01:01:15.265>I <01:01:15.545>second <01:01:15.825>everything <01:01:16.105>you're <01:01:16.385>saying.

1478
01:01:17.095 --> 01:01:19.835
<01:01:17.095>And <01:01:17.250>what <01:01:17.406>I <01:01:17.561>especially <01:01:17.717>love <01:01:17.872>about <01:01:18.028>like <01:01:18.183>book <01:01:18.339>markets <01:01:18.495>in

1479
01:01:19.835 --> 01:01:22.115
<01:01:19.835>general <01:01:20.115>in <01:01:20.395>the <01:01:20.675>accessibility <01:01:20.955>space <01:01:21.235>is

1480
01:01:22.115 --> 01:01:23.715
<01:01:22.115>that <01:01:22.464>they're <01:01:22.814>all <01:01:23.165>out <01:01:23.515>there.

1481
01:01:24.195 --> 01:01:25.435
<01:01:24.195>Nobody's <01:01:24.567>charging <01:01:24.939>for <01:01:25.311>them.

1482
01:01:25.435 --> 01:01:26.635
<01:01:25.435>They're <01:01:25.705>like <01:01:25.975>free <01:01:26.245>to <01:01:26.515>use

1483
01:01:26.635 --> 01:01:29.595
<01:01:26.635>because <01:01:26.810>everybody <01:01:26.985>wants <01:01:27.160>to <01:01:27.335>help <01:01:27.510>others <01:01:27.685>out <01:01:27.860>to <01:01:28.035>make

1484
01:01:30.415 --> 01:01:33.595
<01:01:30.415>it <01:01:30.615>more <01:01:30.815>pleasant <01:01:31.015>to <01:01:31.215>search <01:01:31.415>for <01:01:31.615>accessibility <01:01:31.815>bug

1485
01:01:33.695 --> 01:01:34.915
<01:01:33.695>and <01:01:33.914>being <01:01:34.134>able <01:01:34.353>to <01:01:34.573>fix <01:01:34.793>them.

1486
01:01:34.935 --> 01:01:36.515
<01:01:34.935>And <01:01:35.134>that <01:01:35.335>is <01:01:35.535>also <01:01:35.735>pretty <01:01:35.935>nice, <01:01:36.134>I <01:01:36.335>think

1487
01:01:37.695 --> 01:01:38.865
<01:01:37.695>Very <01:01:37.905>old <01:01:38.116>school <01:01:38.326>thing <01:01:38.537>to <01:01:38.747>do.

1488
01:01:38.945 --> 01:01:40.185
<01:01:38.945>I <01:01:39.224>love <01:01:39.503>it. <01:01:39.782>Yeah, <01:01:40.061>really

1489
01:01:40.185 --> 01:01:41.185
<01:01:40.185>Cool. <01:01:41.085>Yeah.

1490
01:01:41.185 --> 01:01:42.785
Yes.

1491
01:01:42.805 --> 01:01:44.185
<01:01:42.805>And <01:01:43.053>I <01:01:43.301>have <01:01:43.550>one <01:01:43.798>last <01:01:44.047>link

1492
01:01:44.185 --> 01:01:48.985
<01:01:44.185>and <01:01:44.301>then <01:01:44.418>I'm <01:01:44.535>done <01:01:44.651>on, <01:01:44.768>on <01:01:44.884>my <01:01:45.001>end, <01:01:45.118>which <01:01:45.235>is <01:01:45.351>just <01:01:45.468>my, <01:01:45.585>uh,

1493
01:01:49.085 --> 01:01:51.145
<01:01:49.085>my <01:01:49.318>master <01:01:49.551>thesis <01:01:49.785>I <01:01:50.018>was <01:01:50.251>mentioning <01:01:50.485>before.

1494
01:01:51.885 --> 01:01:55.785
<01:01:51.885>Um, <01:01:52.025>I <01:01:52.165>wanted <01:01:52.305>to <01:01:52.445>show, <01:01:52.585>share <01:01:52.725>it <01:01:52.865>as <01:01:53.005>a <01:01:53.145>resource, <01:01:53.285>um,

1495
01:01:55.785 --> 01:01:59.105
<01:01:55.785>because <01:01:55.960>I <01:01:56.134>mean <01:01:56.310>the, <01:01:56.484>the <01:01:56.660>study <01:01:56.835>was <01:01:57.009>about <01:01:57.185>accessibility

1496
01:01:59.135 --> 01:02:01.025
<01:01:59.135>overlay, <01:01:59.310>but <01:01:59.485>I <01:01:59.660>don't <01:01:59.835>want <01:02:00.010>to <01:02:00.185>get <01:02:00.360>into <01:02:00.535>that.

1497
01:02:01.605 --> 01:02:03.185
<01:02:01.605>The <01:02:01.805>thing <01:02:02.005>I <01:02:02.205>wanted <01:02:02.405>to <01:02:02.605>highlight <01:02:02.805>here <01:02:03.005>is

1498
01:02:03.255 --> 01:02:06.225
<01:02:03.255>that <01:02:03.455>you <01:02:03.655>have <01:02:03.855>the <01:02:04.055>whole, <01:02:04.255>um, <01:02:04.455>thesis <01:02:04.655>available,

1499
01:02:06.225 --> 01:02:09.985
<01:02:06.225>which <01:02:06.365>in <01:02:06.505>the <01:02:06.645>PDF <01:02:06.785>form <01:02:06.924>is <01:02:07.065>like <01:02:07.205>160 <01:02:07.345>pages, <01:02:07.485>I <01:02:07.625>think.

1500
01:02:10.845 --> 01:02:15.505
<01:02:10.845>Um, <01:02:10.961>but <01:02:11.078>I <01:02:11.194>feel <01:02:11.311>like <01:02:11.428>it <01:02:11.544>is <01:02:11.661>a <01:02:11.778>good <01:02:11.895>summary <01:02:12.011>of <01:02:12.128>resources, <01:02:12.245>um,

1501
01:02:15.525 --> 01:02:18.065
<01:02:15.525>to <01:02:15.700>use <01:02:15.875>if <01:02:16.050>you <01:02:16.225>need <01:02:16.400>arguments <01:02:16.575>for, <01:02:16.750>for <01:02:16.925>example,

1502
01:02:18.165 --> 01:02:21.605
<01:02:18.165>why <01:02:18.292>is <01:02:18.419>it <01:02:18.546>a <01:02:18.674>good <01:02:18.801>idea <01:02:18.928>to <01:02:19.055>test <01:02:19.183>with <01:02:19.310>people <01:02:19.437>with <01:02:19.565>disabilities?

1503
01:02:21.605 --> 01:02:24.245
<01:02:21.605>What <01:02:21.805>are <01:02:22.005>the <01:02:22.205>advantages? <01:02:22.405>What <01:02:22.605>are <01:02:22.805>the <01:02:23.005>disadvantages?

1504
01:02:24.275 --> 01:02:27.125
<01:02:24.275>Also <01:02:24.450>some <01:02:24.625>tips <01:02:24.800>on <01:02:24.975>how <01:02:25.150>to <01:02:25.325>facilitate, <01:02:25.500>um, <01:02:25.675>the,

1505
01:02:27.345 --> 01:02:30.565
<01:02:27.345>the <01:02:27.544>user <01:02:27.745>research <01:02:27.944>with <01:02:28.145>people <01:02:28.345>with, <01:02:28.544>uh, <01:02:28.745>disabilities.

1506
01:02:31.075 --> 01:02:34.165
<01:02:31.075>Then <01:02:31.250>there's <01:02:31.424>also <01:02:31.600>what <01:02:31.774>we <01:02:31.950>mentioned <01:02:32.125>earlier <01:02:32.299>about <01:02:32.475>not

1507
01:02:34.165 --> 01:02:36.765
<01:02:34.165>knowing <01:02:34.398>about <01:02:34.631>keyboard <01:02:34.865>shortcuts <01:02:35.098>or, <01:02:35.331>um, <01:02:35.565>options.

1508
01:02:37.025 --> 01:02:39.845
<01:02:37.025>It <01:02:37.200>was <01:02:37.375>the <01:02:37.550>same, <01:02:37.725>uh, <01:02:37.900>with <01:02:38.075>the <01:02:38.250>accessibility <01:02:38.425>overlays.

1509
01:02:39.845 --> 01:02:43.245
<01:02:39.845>One <01:02:40.020>of <01:02:40.194>my <01:02:40.370>findings <01:02:40.544>was <01:02:40.720>that <01:02:40.895>people <01:02:41.069>don't <01:02:41.245>realize

1510
01:02:43.245 --> 01:02:45.245
<01:02:43.245>that <01:02:43.400>the <01:02:43.556>button <01:02:43.711>is <01:02:43.867>there, <01:02:44.022>that <01:02:44.178>the <01:02:44.333>options <01:02:44.489>are <01:02:44.645>there

1511
01:02:45.245 --> 01:02:46.845
<01:02:45.245>because <01:02:45.525>they're <01:02:45.805>not <01:02:46.085>educated <01:02:46.365>on <01:02:46.645>it.

1512
01:02:47.025 --> 01:02:49.045
<01:02:47.025>Um, <01:02:47.258>and <01:02:47.491>it's <01:02:47.725>also <01:02:47.958>a <01:02:48.191>UX <01:02:48.425>problem.

1513
01:02:49.625 --> 01:02:51.245
<01:02:49.625>So <01:02:49.825>there's <01:02:50.025>also <01:02:50.225>a <01:02:50.425>lot <01:02:50.625>of, <01:02:50.825>um, <01:02:51.025>research

1514
01:02:51.245 --> 01:02:52.525
<01:02:51.245>and <01:02:51.533>actual <01:02:51.821>data <01:02:52.109>on <01:02:52.397>that

1515
01:02:52.625 --> 01:02:55.365
<01:02:52.625>and, <01:02:52.800>um, <01:02:52.975>a <01:02:53.150>lot <01:02:53.325>of <01:02:53.500>links <01:02:53.675>to <01:02:53.850>other <01:02:54.025>studies

1516
01:02:55.545 --> 01:02:57.525
<01:02:55.545>and <01:02:55.895>resources <01:02:56.245>on <01:02:56.595>these <01:02:56.945>topics.

1517
01:02:58.105 --> 01:03:00.725
<01:02:58.105>So <01:02:58.305>I <01:02:58.505>think <01:02:58.705>if <01:02:58.905>you <01:02:59.105>need <01:02:59.305>some <01:02:59.505>insights

1518
01:03:00.745 --> 01:03:02.805
<01:03:00.745>or <01:03:00.920>some <01:03:01.095>data <01:03:01.270>to <01:03:01.444>back <01:03:01.620>to <01:03:01.795>back <01:03:01.970>things <01:03:02.145>up

1519
01:03:02.825 --> 01:03:05.685
<01:03:02.825>or <01:03:02.952>to <01:03:03.079>look <01:03:03.206>further <01:03:03.334>into <01:03:03.461>different <01:03:03.588>things, <01:03:03.715>you <01:03:03.843>can <01:03:03.970>find <01:03:04.097>a <01:03:04.225>lot

1520
01:03:05.685 --> 01:03:09.365
<01:03:05.685>of <01:03:05.884>different, <01:03:06.085>um, <01:03:06.285>different <01:03:06.485>information <01:03:06.685>here <01:03:06.884>on <01:03:07.085>UX

1521
01:03:09.385 --> 01:03:11.165
<01:03:09.385>and <01:03:09.735>accessibility <01:03:10.085>and <01:03:10.435>user <01:03:10.785>research.

1522
01:03:11.345 --> 01:03:12.365
<01:03:11.345>So <01:03:11.528>I <01:03:11.712>wanted <01:03:11.895>to <01:03:12.079>share <01:03:12.263>it.

1523
01:03:13.515 --> 01:03:16.685
<01:03:13.515>Yeah, <01:03:13.654>I <01:03:13.795>mean <01:03:13.935>that <01:03:14.075>was <01:03:14.214>the <01:03:14.355>big, <01:03:14.495>uh, <01:03:14.634>uh, <01:03:14.775>big <01:03:14.915>bad

1524
01:03:16.745 --> 01:03:18.885
<01:03:16.745>of <01:03:16.944>accessibility <01:03:17.145>world <01:03:17.345>in <01:03:17.545>the <01:03:17.745>last <01:03:17.944>few <01:03:18.145>years.

1525
01:03:18.985 --> 01:03:20.605
<01:03:18.985>The <01:03:19.685>accessibility <01:03:20.385>overlays

1526
01:03:20.705 --> 01:03:23.005
<01:03:20.705>and <01:03:20.880>I <01:03:21.055>mean, <01:03:21.230>it, <01:03:21.404>it <01:03:21.580>gets <01:03:21.755>even <01:03:21.930>worse <01:03:22.105>now

1527
01:03:23.005 --> 01:03:25.605
<01:03:23.005>with <01:03:23.160>people <01:03:23.316>saying <01:03:23.471>like, <01:03:23.627>we're <01:03:23.782>using <01:03:23.938>AI <01:03:24.093>in <01:03:24.249>our <01:03:24.405>overlays

1528
01:03:25.605 --> 01:03:28.565
<01:03:25.605>to <01:03:25.745>automatically <01:03:25.885>fix <01:03:26.025>all <01:03:26.165>the <01:03:26.305>issues <01:03:26.445>in <01:03:26.585>your <01:03:26.725>website <01:03:26.865>for <01:03:27.005>you

1529
01:03:30.305 --> 01:03:31.525
<01:03:30.305>do, <01:03:30.579>did, <01:03:30.854>did <01:03:31.128>we <01:03:31.403>win?

1530
01:03:31.585 --> 01:03:32.685
<01:03:31.585>Or <01:03:31.783>is <01:03:31.981>this <01:03:32.179>still <01:03:32.377>a <01:03:32.575>thing?

1531
01:03:32.825 --> 01:03:35.045
<01:03:32.825>Do <01:03:33.000>you, <01:03:33.174>do <01:03:33.350>you, <01:03:33.524>do <01:03:33.700>you <01:03:33.875>talk <01:03:34.049>to <01:03:34.225>customers

1532
01:03:35.065 --> 01:03:36.925
<01:03:35.065>who <01:03:35.265>basically <01:03:35.465>just <01:03:35.665>say, <01:03:35.865>we <01:03:36.065>could <01:03:36.265>buy <01:03:36.465>that

1533
01:03:36.985 --> 01:03:38.565
<01:03:36.985>and <01:03:37.335>not <01:03:37.685>worry <01:03:38.035>about <01:03:38.385>accessibility?

1534
01:03:40.945 --> 01:03:44.565
<01:03:40.945>Um, <01:03:41.085>yeah, <01:03:41.225>it, <01:03:41.365>it, <01:03:41.505>it <01:03:41.645>is <01:03:41.785>still <01:03:41.925>a, <01:03:42.065>a <01:03:42.205>thing <01:03:42.345>unfortunately.

1535
01:03:45.025 --> 01:03:46.805
<01:03:45.025>Um, <01:03:45.375>but <01:03:45.725>I <01:03:46.075>feel <01:03:46.425>like

1536
01:03:46.805 --> 01:03:51.565
<01:03:46.805>because <01:03:46.921>like <01:03:47.038>with <01:03:47.154>the <01:03:47.271>law <01:03:47.388>that <01:03:47.504>came <01:03:47.621>in <01:03:47.738>effect <01:03:47.855>in <01:03:47.971>the <01:03:48.088>eu, <01:03:48.205>um,

1537
01:03:51.795 --> 01:03:53.685
<01:03:51.795>with <01:03:52.075>websites <01:03:52.355>needing <01:03:52.635>to <01:03:52.915>be <01:03:53.195>accessible,

1538
01:03:53.745 --> 01:03:55.525
<01:03:53.745>people <01:03:54.211>suddenly <01:03:54.678>freaked <01:03:55.145>out

1539
01:03:55.705 --> 01:03:58.245
<01:03:55.705>as <01:03:55.938>if <01:03:56.171>the <01:03:56.404>information <01:03:56.638>wouldn't <01:03:56.871>have <01:03:57.105>been

1540
01:03:58.245 --> 01:03:59.605
<01:03:58.245>there <01:03:58.653>for <01:03:59.061>like <01:03:59.469>forever.

1541
01:04:00.505 --> 01:04:02.325
<01:04:00.505>Um, <01:04:00.705>and <01:04:00.905>so <01:04:01.105>we <01:04:01.305>have <01:04:01.505>this <01:04:01.705>big <01:04:01.905>problem

1542
01:04:02.585 --> 01:04:05.365
<01:04:02.585>of <01:04:02.785>developers <01:04:02.985>not <01:04:03.185>knowing <01:04:03.385>how <01:04:03.585>to <01:04:03.785>code <01:04:03.985>accessibly.

1543
01:04:05.385 --> 01:04:06.645
<01:04:05.385>The <01:04:05.547>sign <01:04:05.709>is <01:04:05.871>not <01:04:06.033>knowing <01:04:06.195>what <01:04:06.357>to <01:04:06.519>do,

1544
01:04:07.225 --> 01:04:10.485
<01:04:07.225>and <01:04:07.424>then <01:04:07.625>organization <01:04:07.825>is <01:04:08.025>structures <01:04:08.225>within <01:04:08.424>companies <01:04:08.625>not

1545
01:04:10.485 --> 01:04:14.885
<01:04:10.485>being, <01:04:10.640>um, <01:04:10.796>um, <01:04:10.951>like <01:04:11.107>not <01:04:11.262>being <01:04:11.418>able <01:04:11.573>to <01:04:11.729>offer, <01:04:11.885>um,

1546
01:04:14.885 --> 01:04:16.245
<01:04:14.885>accessibility <01:04:16.109>education

1547
01:04:16.465 --> 01:04:19.605
<01:04:16.465>or <01:04:16.620>like <01:04:16.776>even <01:04:16.931>allow <01:04:17.087>it <01:04:17.242>to <01:04:17.398>be <01:04:17.553>an <01:04:17.709>integrated <01:04:17.865>part,

1548
01:04:19.745 --> 01:04:20.845
<01:04:19.745>um, <01:04:20.075>of <01:04:20.405>the <01:04:20.735>organization.

1549
01:04:21.585 --> 01:04:23.005
<01:04:21.585>So <01:04:21.840>people <01:04:22.096>are <01:04:22.351>just <01:04:22.607>freaking <01:04:22.863>out

1550
01:04:23.005 --> 01:04:24.245
<01:04:23.005>and <01:04:23.191>see <01:04:23.377>it <01:04:23.563>as <01:04:23.749>a <01:04:23.935>quick <01:04:24.121>solution.

1551
01:04:24.245 --> 01:04:27.085
<01:04:24.245>And <01:04:24.444>even <01:04:24.645>if <01:04:24.845>you <01:04:25.045>advocate <01:04:25.245>against <01:04:25.444>it, <01:04:25.645>um,

1552
01:04:28.315 --> 01:04:31.165
<01:04:28.315>most <01:04:28.455>say <01:04:28.595>yeah, <01:04:28.735>but <01:04:28.875>for <01:04:29.015>now <01:04:29.155>I <01:04:29.295>will <01:04:29.435>still <01:04:29.575>try <01:04:29.715>it.

1553
01:04:31.205 --> 01:04:32.725
<01:04:31.205>I <01:04:31.400>don't <01:04:31.595>want <01:04:31.791>to <01:04:31.986>get <01:04:32.182>sued. <01:04:32.377>I'm <01:04:32.573>scared.

1554
01:04:32.795 --> 01:04:36.165
<01:04:32.795>Like <01:04:32.950>maybe <01:04:33.106>it <01:04:33.261>is, <01:04:33.417>it <01:04:33.572>can <01:04:33.728>help <01:04:33.883>in <01:04:34.039>some <01:04:34.195>way

1555
01:04:36.225 --> 01:04:39.045
<01:04:36.225>and <01:04:36.424>they <01:04:36.625>just, <01:04:36.825>yeah, <01:04:37.025>they <01:04:37.225>try <01:04:37.424>it <01:04:37.625>anyways.

1556
01:04:39.345 --> 01:04:41.405
<01:04:39.345>So <01:04:39.545>I <01:04:39.745>think <01:04:39.945>there's <01:04:40.145>much <01:04:40.345>more <01:04:40.545>to <01:04:40.745>do.

1557
01:04:42.805 --> 01:04:44.485
<01:04:42.805>Hmm. <01:04:43.271>It, <01:04:43.738>yeah, <01:04:44.205>it,

1558
01:04:44.485 --> 01:04:48.085
<01:04:44.485>it <01:04:44.640>feels <01:04:44.796>like <01:04:44.951>this <01:04:45.107>snake <01:04:45.262>oil <01:04:45.418>salespeople <01:04:45.573>that <01:04:45.729>fix <01:04:45.885>everything

1559
01:04:48.185 --> 01:04:50.085
<01:04:48.185>for <01:04:48.384>you <01:04:48.585>without <01:04:48.785>having <01:04:48.985>to <01:04:49.185>think <01:04:49.384>about <01:04:49.585>it.

1560
01:04:50.325 --> 01:04:53.525
<01:04:50.325>I <01:04:50.558>mean, <01:04:50.791>disability <01:04:51.024>is <01:04:51.258>not <01:04:51.491>a <01:04:51.725>one-off

1561
01:04:53.525 --> 01:04:54.725
<01:04:53.525>state, <01:04:53.795>as <01:04:54.065>you <01:04:54.335>said <01:04:54.605>before.

1562
01:04:54.725 --> 01:04:57.005
<01:04:54.725>Like, <01:04:54.958>there's <01:04:55.191>no <01:04:55.424>blind <01:04:55.658>people <01:04:55.891>incited <01:04:56.125>people.

1563
01:04:57.195 --> 01:04:58.445
<01:04:57.195>It's <01:04:57.476>always <01:04:57.757>a <01:04:58.038>sliding <01:04:58.320>scale.

1564
01:04:58.445 --> 01:05:01.205
<01:04:58.445>There's <01:04:58.620>always <01:04:58.795>all <01:04:58.970>kinds <01:04:59.145>of <01:04:59.320>things <01:04:59.495>people <01:04:59.670>might <01:04:59.845>be,

1565
01:05:01.695 --> 01:05:03.565
<01:05:01.695>might <01:05:01.975>have <01:05:02.255>different <01:05:02.535>disabilities <01:05:02.815>that <01:05:03.095>there's,

1566
01:05:03.625 --> 01:05:05.005
<01:05:03.625>if <01:05:03.873>I <01:05:04.121>take <01:05:04.370>my <01:05:04.618>glasses <01:05:04.867>off

1567
01:05:05.025 --> 01:05:06.685
<01:05:05.025>or <01:05:05.305>they're <01:05:05.585>broken, <01:05:05.865>I'm <01:05:06.145>basically <01:05:06.425>screwed

1568
01:05:06.705 --> 01:05:08.845
<01:05:06.705>and <01:05:06.880>I've <01:05:07.055>been, <01:05:07.230>I <01:05:07.404>cannot <01:05:07.580>do <01:05:07.755>much <01:05:07.930>about <01:05:08.105>it.

1569
01:05:08.915 --> 01:05:12.285
<01:05:08.915>Like, <01:05:09.090>these <01:05:09.265>are <01:05:09.440>the, <01:05:09.615>the, <01:05:09.790>the <01:05:09.965>situational <01:05:10.140>awareness <01:05:10.315>of

1570
01:05:12.285 --> 01:05:14.925
<01:05:12.285>what <01:05:12.401>you <01:05:12.518>do <01:05:12.634>and <01:05:12.751>uh, <01:05:12.868>I <01:05:12.984>love <01:05:13.101>that <01:05:13.218>you <01:05:13.335>do <01:05:13.451>all <01:05:13.568>this <01:05:13.685>work

1571
01:05:15.025 --> 01:05:16.445
<01:05:15.025>and <01:05:15.238>that, <01:05:15.451>that <01:05:15.664>that <01:05:15.877>was <01:05:16.090>your <01:05:16.303>thesis.

1572
01:05:17.345 --> 01:05:20.045
<01:05:17.345>It <01:05:17.500>also <01:05:17.656>comes <01:05:17.811>with <01:05:17.967>inclusion, <01:05:18.122>like, <01:05:18.278>uh, <01:05:18.433>blocking <01:05:18.589>people <01:05:18.745>out

1573
01:05:20.045 --> 01:05:21.365
<01:05:20.045>because <01:05:20.282>of <01:05:20.520>things <01:05:20.757>that <01:05:20.995>they <01:05:21.232>are

1574
01:05:21.425 --> 01:05:24.925
<01:05:21.425>and <01:05:21.625>uh, <01:05:21.825>where <01:05:22.025>language, <01:05:22.225>simple <01:05:22.425>language, <01:05:22.625>all <01:05:22.825>kind

1575
01:05:24.925 --> 01:05:26.525
<01:05:24.925>of <01:05:25.158>things <01:05:25.391>that <01:05:25.625>are <01:05:25.858>getting <01:05:26.091>in <01:05:26.325>there.

1576
01:05:26.925 --> 01:05:29.245
<01:05:26.925>I <01:05:27.052>actually <01:05:27.179>wanna, <01:05:27.306>I <01:05:27.434>just <01:05:27.561>realized <01:05:27.688>like <01:05:27.815>we <01:05:27.943>should <01:05:28.070>do <01:05:28.197>a <01:05:28.325>coffee

1577
01:05:29.245 --> 01:05:31.525
<01:05:29.245>with <01:05:29.420>developers <01:05:29.595>for <01:05:29.770>like <01:05:29.944>a <01:05:30.120>longer <01:05:30.295>talk, <01:05:30.470>just <01:05:30.645>talking

1578
01:05:31.525 --> 01:05:33.245
<01:05:31.525>through <01:05:31.725>Elephant <01:05:31.925>and <01:05:32.125>how <01:05:32.325>you <01:05:32.525>build <01:05:32.725>that <01:05:32.925>one,

1579
01:05:33.245 --> 01:05:35.845
<01:05:33.245>that <01:05:33.384>will <01:05:33.525>be <01:05:33.665>fun <01:05:33.805>to <01:05:33.944>have <01:05:34.085>for <01:05:34.225>our <01:05:34.365>audience <01:05:34.505>as <01:05:34.645>well.

1580
01:05:36.505 --> 01:05:39.165
<01:05:36.505>But <01:05:36.660>for <01:05:36.816>now, <01:05:36.971>I <01:05:37.127>think, <01:05:37.282>um, <01:05:37.438>let's <01:05:37.593>quickly <01:05:37.749>go <01:05:37.905>back

1581
01:05:39.165 --> 01:05:40.325
<01:05:39.165>to <01:05:39.687>our <01:05:40.209>resources

1582
01:05:40.325 --> 01:05:42.605
<01:05:40.325>because <01:05:40.558>we <01:05:40.791>forgot <01:05:41.024>about <01:05:41.258>one <01:05:41.491>thing, <01:05:41.725>um,

1583
01:05:44.405 --> 01:05:48.515
<01:05:44.404>which <01:05:44.544>is <01:05:44.685>like, <01:05:44.825>um, <01:05:44.964>yeah, <01:05:45.104>we, <01:05:45.245>we, <01:05:45.384>ING <01:05:45.524>was <01:05:45.665>the <01:05:45.805>people

1584
01:05:48.535 --> 01:05:49.915
<01:05:48.535>who <01:05:48.845>actually <01:05:49.156>sponsored <01:05:49.466>this <01:05:49.777>today

1585
01:05:49.915 --> 01:05:54.075
<01:05:49.915>or <01:05:50.031>wanted <01:05:50.148>to <01:05:50.265>see, <01:05:50.381>so <01:05:50.498>if <01:05:50.615>you <01:05:50.731>want, <01:05:50.848>wanna <01:05:50.965>work <01:05:51.081>for <01:05:51.198>them, <01:05:51.315>INGE

1586
01:05:54.605 --> 01:05:56.115
<01:05:54.605>Kayra, <01:05:54.831>which <01:05:55.058>is <01:05:55.284>only <01:05:55.511>for <01:05:55.737>German <01:05:55.964>words,

1587
01:05:56.415 --> 01:05:58.915
<01:05:56.415>but <01:05:56.570>this <01:05:56.726>here <01:05:56.881>is <01:05:57.037>actually <01:05:57.192>an <01:05:57.348>extension <01:05:57.503>that <01:05:57.659>I <01:05:57.815>wrote,

1588
01:05:59.315 --> 01:06:01.275
<01:05:59.315>a <01:05:59.470>bookmark <01:05:59.626>that <01:05:59.781>I <01:05:59.937>wrote <01:06:00.092>for <01:06:00.248>a <01:06:00.403>friend <01:06:00.559>as <01:06:00.715>well

1589
01:06:01.275 --> 01:06:02.875
<01:06:01.275>because <01:06:01.625>there <01:06:01.975>was <01:06:02.325>one <01:06:02.675>thing

1590
01:06:02.875 --> 01:06:05.235
<01:06:02.875>that <01:06:03.002>she <01:06:03.129>said <01:06:03.256>is <01:06:03.384>the <01:06:03.511>most <01:06:03.638>annoying <01:06:03.765>bit <01:06:03.893>that <01:06:04.020>it's <01:06:04.147>really <01:06:04.275>hard

1591
01:06:05.235 --> 01:06:07.515
<01:06:05.235>to <01:06:05.435>find <01:06:05.635>out <01:06:05.835>like <01:06:06.035>which, <01:06:06.235>which <01:06:06.435>images <01:06:06.635>have

1592
01:06:07.515 --> 01:06:08.635
<01:06:07.515>what <01:06:08.019>alternative <01:06:08.523>text.

1593
01:06:09.135 --> 01:06:10.435
<01:06:09.135>And <01:06:09.369>that's <01:06:09.603>exactly <01:06:09.837>what <01:06:10.071>that <01:06:10.305>does.

1594
01:06:10.535 --> 01:06:13.075
<01:06:10.535>You <01:06:10.674>roll <01:06:10.815>over <01:06:10.955>something <01:06:11.095>and <01:06:11.234>it <01:06:11.375>says, <01:06:11.515>it <01:06:11.654>tells <01:06:11.795>you <01:06:11.935>like

1595
01:06:13.235 --> 01:06:15.035
<01:06:13.235>what <01:06:13.468>the <01:06:13.701>alternative <01:06:13.935>text <01:06:14.168>of <01:06:14.401>something <01:06:14.635>is

1596
01:06:15.495 --> 01:06:17.075
<01:06:15.495>and <01:06:15.728>also <01:06:15.961>you <01:06:16.194>can <01:06:16.428>drag <01:06:16.661>it <01:06:16.895>around

1597
01:06:17.175 --> 01:06:19.075
<01:06:17.175>and <01:06:17.350>yeah, <01:06:17.525>that <01:06:17.700>one's <01:06:17.875>on <01:06:18.050>GitHub <01:06:18.225>if <01:06:18.400>you <01:06:18.575>wanna,

1598
01:06:19.095 --> 01:06:20.715
<01:06:19.095>if <01:06:19.328>you <01:06:19.561>wanna <01:06:19.795>build <01:06:20.028>something <01:06:20.261>like <01:06:20.495>that,

1599
01:06:21.015 --> 01:06:22.475
<01:06:21.015>you <01:06:21.202>can <01:06:21.390>start <01:06:21.578>from <01:06:21.765>that <01:06:21.953>one <01:06:22.141>as <01:06:22.328>well.

1600
01:06:22.675 --> 01:06:25.795
<01:06:22.675>'cause <01:06:22.830>it's <01:06:22.986>super <01:06:23.141>simple <01:06:23.297>and <01:06:23.452>I <01:06:23.608>think <01:06:23.763>it's <01:06:23.919>just <01:06:24.075>beautiful

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01:06:25.795 --> 01:06:28.435
<01:06:25.795>that <01:06:25.950>you <01:06:26.106>can <01:06:26.261>extend <01:06:26.417>browsers <01:06:26.572>in <01:06:26.728>that <01:06:26.883>kind <01:06:27.039>of <01:06:27.195>fashion.

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01:06:29.015 --> 01:06:31.515
<01:06:29.015>And <01:06:29.154>I <01:06:29.295>found <01:06:29.435>that <01:06:29.575>funny <01:06:29.714>because <01:06:29.855>when <01:06:29.995>I <01:06:30.134>worked <01:06:30.275>on <01:06:30.415>developer

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01:06:31.515 --> 01:06:33.555
<01:06:31.515>tools, <01:06:31.690>I'm <01:06:31.865>like, <01:06:32.040>what's <01:06:32.214>the, <01:06:32.390>what's <01:06:32.565>the <01:06:32.740>easiest <01:06:32.915>way

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01:06:33.555 --> 01:06:35.155
<01:06:33.555>to <01:06:33.754>find <01:06:33.955>out <01:06:34.154>which <01:06:34.355>images <01:06:34.555>don't <01:06:34.754>have <01:06:34.955>an

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01:06:35.155 --> 01:06:36.475
<01:06:35.154>alternative <01:06:35.452>text <01:06:35.749>on <01:06:36.046>the <01:06:36.343>page?

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01:06:36.975 --> 01:06:38.355
<01:06:36.975>And <01:06:37.285>I'm <01:06:37.596>like, <01:06:37.906>oh <01:06:38.217>yeah.

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01:06:38.635 --> 01:06:40.835
<01:06:38.635>I <01:06:38.790>mean, <01:06:38.946>you <01:06:39.101>have <01:06:39.257>to, <01:06:39.412>to, <01:06:39.568>to <01:06:39.723>take <01:06:39.879>the <01:06:40.035>selector

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<01:06:40.835>and <01:06:41.065>roll <01:06:41.295>over <01:06:41.526>each <01:06:41.756>of <01:06:41.986>them.

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01:06:42.255 --> 01:06:43.835
<01:06:42.255>Or <01:06:42.488>you <01:06:42.721>can <01:06:42.955>go <01:06:43.188>to <01:06:43.421>the <01:06:43.655>terminal

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<01:06:43.975>and <01:06:44.130>do <01:06:44.286>like <01:06:44.441>a <01:06:44.597>console <01:06:44.752>lock <01:06:44.908>with <01:06:45.063>all <01:06:45.219>the <01:06:45.375>images

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01:06:46.115 --> 01:06:47.515
<01:06:46.115>that <01:06:46.366>don't <01:06:46.618>have <01:06:46.870>an <01:06:47.123>alternative <01:06:47.375>text.

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01:06:47.535 --> 01:06:50.435
<01:06:47.535>Or <01:06:47.690>you <01:06:47.846>can <01:06:48.001>write <01:06:48.157>a <01:06:48.312>style <01:06:48.468>sheet <01:06:48.623>for <01:06:48.779>all <01:06:48.935>images

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<01:06:50.585>that <01:06:50.725>don't <01:06:50.865>have <01:06:51.005>an <01:06:51.145>put <01:06:51.285>a <01:06:51.425>red, <01:06:51.565>red <01:06:51.705>border <01:06:51.845>around <01:06:51.985>them.

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<01:06:53.315>There's <01:06:53.519>all <01:06:53.723>kind <01:06:53.927>of <01:06:54.131>stuff <01:06:54.335>to <01:06:54.539>do.

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<01:06:54.975>But <01:06:55.102>it <01:06:55.229>was, <01:06:55.356>this <01:06:55.484>was <01:06:55.611>like <01:06:55.738>10 <01:06:55.865>minutes <01:06:55.993>for <01:06:56.120>me <01:06:56.247>to <01:06:56.375>write

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<01:06:57.295>and <01:06:57.623>it's <01:06:57.952>helping <01:06:58.280>somebody <01:06:58.609>else

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<01:06:58.815>to <01:06:59.040>do <01:06:59.265>some <01:06:59.490>spot <01:06:59.715>checking <01:06:59.940>right <01:07:00.165>now.

1618
01:07:00.455 --> 01:07:02.275
<01:07:00.455>So <01:07:00.688>if <01:07:00.921>you <01:07:01.154>feel <01:07:01.388>like <01:07:01.621>helping <01:07:01.855>people,

1619
01:07:02.555 --> 01:07:04.395
<01:07:02.555>bookmarklets <01:07:02.788>are <01:07:03.021>a <01:07:03.254>fun <01:07:03.488>thing <01:07:03.721>to <01:07:03.955>have,

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01:07:04.445 --> 01:07:06.995
<01:07:04.445>maybe <01:07:04.585>we <01:07:04.725>should <01:07:04.865>do <01:07:05.005>an <01:07:05.145>article <01:07:05.285>about <01:07:05.425>that, <01:07:05.565>that <01:07:05.705>it's <01:07:05.845>one

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01:07:06.995 --> 01:07:10.195
<01:07:06.995>of <01:07:07.170>those <01:07:07.345>forgotten <01:07:07.520>arts <01:07:07.694>of <01:07:07.870>the <01:07:08.045>things <01:07:08.220>out <01:07:08.395>there.

1622
01:07:11.905 --> 01:07:14.915
<01:07:11.904>Cool. <01:07:12.104>Uh, <01:07:12.305>so, <01:07:12.504>um, <01:07:12.705>to <01:07:12.904>finish <01:07:13.104>off, <01:07:13.305>like

1623
01:07:14.915 --> 01:07:17.475
<01:07:14.915>what <01:07:15.090>else <01:07:15.265>would <01:07:15.440>you <01:07:15.615>want <01:07:15.790>people <01:07:15.965>from <01:07:16.140>our <01:07:16.315>audience?

1624
01:07:17.855 --> 01:07:19.755
<01:07:17.855>Do <01:07:18.030>you <01:07:18.205>have <01:07:18.380>a <01:07:18.555>message <01:07:18.730>for <01:07:18.905>them <01:07:19.080>to <01:07:19.255>actually

1625
01:07:20.505 --> 01:07:22.235
<01:07:20.505>call <01:07:20.855>out <01:07:21.205>something <01:07:21.555>you <01:07:21.905>want?

1626
01:07:22.415 --> 01:07:24.475
<01:07:22.415>Ooh, <01:07:22.590>that, <01:07:22.765>that's <01:07:22.940>a <01:07:23.115>tough, <01:07:23.290>that's <01:07:23.465>a <01:07:23.640>tough <01:07:23.815>call,

1627
01:07:24.935 --> 01:07:29.475
<01:07:24.935>but <01:07:25.090>I, <01:07:25.246>I <01:07:25.401>I <01:07:25.557>just <01:07:25.712>love <01:07:25.868>that <01:07:26.023>you, <01:07:26.179>um, <01:07:26.335>help,

1628
01:07:30.055 --> 01:07:32.195
<01:07:30.055>um, <01:07:30.404>give <01:07:30.754>awareness <01:07:31.105>to <01:07:31.455>accessibility

1629
01:07:32.195 --> 01:07:33.715
<01:07:32.195>because <01:07:32.390>you <01:07:32.585>were <01:07:32.781>mentioning <01:07:32.976>before <01:07:33.172>that <01:07:33.367>a <01:07:33.563>lot

1630
01:07:33.715 --> 01:07:35.795
<01:07:33.715>of <01:07:33.915>your <01:07:34.115>guests <01:07:34.315>recently <01:07:34.515>are <01:07:34.715>talking <01:07:34.915>about <01:07:35.115>accessibility

1631
01:07:35.795 --> 01:07:37.315
<01:07:35.795>because <01:07:36.023>I, <01:07:36.251>I <01:07:36.479>feel <01:07:36.707>like <01:07:36.935>it's <01:07:37.163>important

1632
01:07:37.375 --> 01:07:39.435
<01:07:37.375>and <01:07:37.575>we're <01:07:37.775>still <01:07:37.975>very <01:07:38.175>much <01:07:38.375>at <01:07:38.575>the <01:07:38.775>beginning

1633
01:07:39.865 --> 01:07:42.555
<01:07:39.865>with <01:07:40.098>the <01:07:40.331>people <01:07:40.564>actually <01:07:40.798>creating <01:07:41.031>digital <01:07:41.265>products,

1634
01:07:42.935 --> 01:07:45.755
<01:07:42.935>not <01:07:43.215>knowing <01:07:43.495>enough <01:07:43.775>to <01:07:44.055>facilitate <01:07:44.335>change.

1635
01:07:46.295 --> 01:07:50.755
<01:07:46.295>So <01:07:46.470>please <01:07:46.645>continue <01:07:46.820>educating <01:07:46.995>yourself <01:07:47.170>if <01:07:47.345>you <01:07:47.520>are, <01:07:47.695>um,

1636
01:07:51.175 --> 01:07:52.715
<01:07:51.175>in <01:07:51.521>the <01:07:51.868>accessibility <01:07:52.214>space <01:07:52.561>yourself.

1637
01:07:53.615 --> 01:07:57.115
<01:07:53.615>Get, <01:07:53.742>uh, <01:07:53.869>the <01:07:53.996>courage <01:07:54.124>to <01:07:54.251>go <01:07:54.378>on <01:07:54.505>stage <01:07:54.633>and <01:07:54.760>use <01:07:54.887>your <01:07:55.015>voice

1638
01:07:57.335 --> 01:08:00.435
<01:07:57.335>and <01:07:57.535>help, <01:07:57.735>um, <01:07:57.935>spreading <01:07:58.135>the <01:07:58.335>message, <01:07:58.535>educating <01:07:58.735>others,

1639
01:08:00.435 --> 01:08:01.315
<01:08:00.435>because <01:08:00.593>I <01:08:00.751>feel <01:08:00.910>like <01:08:01.068>it's <01:08:01.227>very

1640
01:08:01.315 --> 01:08:02.635
<01:08:01.315>important <01:08:01.612>to <01:08:01.909>really <01:08:02.206>move <01:08:02.503>forward.

1641
01:08:03.135 --> 01:08:06.235
<01:08:03.135>And <01:08:03.290>if <01:08:03.446>you're <01:08:03.601>a <01:08:03.757>developer, <01:08:03.912>a <01:08:04.068>designer <01:08:04.223>or <01:08:04.379>product <01:08:04.535>manager

1642
01:08:06.415 --> 01:08:08.635
<01:08:06.415>or <01:08:06.555>somebody <01:08:06.695>who <01:08:06.835>wants <01:08:06.975>to <01:08:07.115>know <01:08:07.255>more, <01:08:07.395>there <01:08:07.535>are <01:08:07.675>a <01:08:07.815>lot

1643
01:08:08.635 --> 01:08:11.875
<01:08:08.635>of <01:08:08.868>different <01:08:09.101>resources <01:08:09.335>available <01:08:09.568>in <01:08:09.801>different <01:08:10.035>formats.

1644
01:08:11.895 --> 01:08:14.035
<01:08:11.895>If <01:08:12.035>you <01:08:12.175>don't <01:08:12.315>prefer <01:08:12.455>text, <01:08:12.595>there <01:08:12.735>may <01:08:12.875>be <01:08:13.015>there <01:08:13.155>are <01:08:13.295>videos

1645
01:08:14.095 --> 01:08:15.445
<01:08:14.095>or <01:08:14.398>there <01:08:14.702>are <01:08:15.006>coding <01:08:15.310>challenges.

1646
01:08:15.625 --> 01:08:17.605
<01:08:15.625>So <01:08:15.905>there <01:08:16.185>lot <01:08:16.465>of <01:08:16.745>different <01:08:17.024>things.

1647
01:08:18.225 --> 01:08:19.605
<01:08:18.225>So <01:08:18.473>I <01:08:18.721>feel <01:08:18.970>like <01:08:19.218>there's <01:08:19.466>something

1648
01:08:19.605 --> 01:08:21.725
<01:08:19.604>for <01:08:19.804>everybody <01:08:20.004>we <01:08:20.205>just <01:08:20.404>need <01:08:20.604>to <01:08:20.804>get <01:08:21.004>started.

1649
01:08:23.215 --> 01:08:25.425
<01:08:23.215>Cool. <01:08:23.565>Dan, <01:08:23.915>anything <01:08:24.265>from <01:08:24.615>you?

1650
01:08:26.525 --> 01:08:28.945
<01:08:26.524>Um, <01:08:26.700>just <01:08:26.875>to <01:08:27.049>reiterate, <01:08:27.224>you <01:08:27.399>know, <01:08:27.575>that, <01:08:27.750>um, <01:08:27.924>elephant,

1651
01:08:28.985 --> 01:08:30.945
<01:08:28.984>I <01:08:29.101>think <01:08:29.218>it's <01:08:29.335>a <01:08:29.451>great <01:08:29.568>name <01:08:29.684>as <01:08:29.801>well, <01:08:29.918>I <01:08:30.035>gotta <01:08:30.151>say <01:08:30.268>very <01:08:30.384>nice.

1652
01:08:31.005 --> 01:08:32.945
<01:08:31.005>But, <01:08:31.285>um, <01:08:31.565>also <01:08:31.845>just, <01:08:32.125>you <01:08:32.404>know,

1653
01:08:33.745 --> 01:08:36.025
<01:08:33.745>Graphics <01:08:33.920>like <01:08:34.095>the, <01:08:34.269>the, <01:08:34.444>the <01:08:34.620>the <01:08:34.795>it <01:08:34.970>it's <01:08:35.144>beautiful.

1654
01:08:36.025 --> 01:08:37.545
<01:08:36.024>Yeah. <01:08:36.220>But <01:08:36.415>there's <01:08:36.611>a <01:08:36.806>big <01:08:37.002>elephant <01:08:37.197>in <01:08:37.393>there.

1655
01:08:38.295 --> 01:08:40.865
<01:08:38.295>Yeah. <01:08:38.645>We, <01:08:38.995>we <01:08:39.345>figured, <01:08:39.694>uh,

1656
01:08:41.085 --> 01:08:43.105
<01:08:41.085>we <01:08:41.435>figured <01:08:41.785>developers <01:08:42.135>love <01:08:42.484>things

1657
01:08:43.105 --> 01:08:44.465
<01:08:43.104>that <01:08:43.349>have <01:08:43.594>to <01:08:43.839>do <01:08:44.084>with <01:08:44.328>animals.

1658
01:08:44.645 --> 01:08:45.645
So

1659
01:08:46.565 --> 01:08:47.565
<01:08:46.565>Clever, <01:08:47.465>clever.

1660
01:08:47.765 --> 01:08:49.265
<01:08:47.765>But <01:08:47.887>definitely <01:08:48.010>go <01:08:48.133>and <01:08:48.255>check <01:08:48.378>it <01:08:48.501>out. <01:08:48.624>That's <01:08:48.746>what <01:08:48.869>I <01:08:48.992>would <01:08:49.115>say.

1661
01:08:49.265 --> 01:08:51.585
<01:08:49.265>We <01:08:49.420>spend <01:08:49.576>so <01:08:49.731>much <01:08:49.887>time <01:08:50.042>talking <01:08:50.198>about <01:08:50.353>10 <01:08:50.509>x <01:08:50.665>engineers.

1662
01:08:51.615 --> 01:08:53.745
<01:08:51.615>Like <01:08:51.770>that's, <01:08:51.926>that's <01:08:52.081>how <01:08:52.237>you <01:08:52.392>really <01:08:52.548>do <01:08:52.703>it <01:08:52.859>though, <01:08:53.014>right?

1663
01:08:53.805 --> 01:08:54.945
<01:08:53.805>Go <01:08:54.061>there, <01:08:54.318>learn <01:08:54.574>something <01:08:54.831>new

1664
01:08:55.165 --> 01:08:56.825
<01:08:55.165>that's <01:08:55.444>tangibly <01:08:55.725>gonna <01:08:56.005>make <01:08:56.285>a <01:08:56.564>difference

1665
01:08:56.825 --> 01:08:58.065
<01:08:56.825>to <01:08:57.104>people <01:08:57.383>using <01:08:57.662>your <01:08:57.941>website.

1666
01:08:58.445 --> 01:09:00.145
<01:08:58.444>That's, <01:08:58.600>to <01:08:58.756>me <01:08:58.911>that's <01:08:59.067>what <01:08:59.222>we <01:08:59.378>should <01:08:59.533>all <01:08:59.689>be <01:08:59.844>doing.

1667
01:09:00.205 --> 01:09:02.065
<01:09:00.205>But <01:09:00.380>um, <01:09:00.555>yeah, <01:09:00.729>just <01:09:00.904>to <01:09:01.080>say <01:09:01.255>thank <01:09:01.430>you <01:09:01.604>Daniela,

1668
01:09:02.065 --> 01:09:03.705
<01:09:02.065>I <01:09:02.298>really <01:09:02.531>appreciate <01:09:02.765>it <01:09:02.998>and <01:09:03.231>looking <01:09:03.465>forward

1669
01:09:03.705 --> 01:09:04.985
<01:09:03.705>to <01:09:03.869>having <01:09:04.034>you <01:09:04.198>back <01:09:04.363>for <01:09:04.527>coffee <01:09:04.692>with <01:09:04.857>developers

1670
01:09:05.645 --> 01:09:07.305
<01:09:05.645>And <01:09:05.820>you <01:09:05.995>can <01:09:06.170>learn, <01:09:06.345>thank <01:09:06.520>you <01:09:06.695>for <01:09:06.870>much <01:09:07.045>from,

1671
01:09:07.565 --> 01:09:09.625
<01:09:07.565>and <01:09:07.705>you <01:09:07.845>can <01:09:07.985>learn <01:09:08.125>so <01:09:08.265>much <01:09:08.405>from <01:09:08.545>building <01:09:08.685>a <01:09:08.825>system <01:09:08.965>like

1672
01:09:09.625 --> 01:09:12.385
<01:09:09.625>that <01:09:09.765>rather <01:09:09.904>than <01:09:10.045>using <01:09:10.185>an <01:09:10.325>out <01:09:10.465>of <01:09:10.604>the <01:09:10.745>box <01:09:10.885>education <01:09:11.024>or,

1673
01:09:12.405 --> 01:09:14.705
<01:09:12.404>or <01:09:12.580>quiz <01:09:12.755>system <01:09:12.929>to <01:09:13.104>build <01:09:13.279>these <01:09:13.455>kind <01:09:13.630>of <01:09:13.804>things.

1674
01:09:14.705 --> 01:09:16.585
<01:09:14.705>Like <01:09:15.055>building <01:09:15.404>it <01:09:15.755>yourself <01:09:16.104>teaches

1675
01:09:16.645 --> 01:09:17.825
<01:09:16.645>you <01:09:16.822>a <01:09:16.999>lot <01:09:17.176>of <01:09:17.353>stuff <01:09:17.529>as <01:09:17.707>well.

1676
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<01:09:17.885>And <01:09:18.025>I <01:09:18.165>guess <01:09:18.305>you <01:09:18.445>found <01:09:18.585>a <01:09:18.725>lot <01:09:18.865>of <01:09:19.005>challenges <01:09:19.145>to <01:09:19.285>make

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<01:09:20.345>that <01:09:20.625>thing <01:09:20.905>accessible, <01:09:21.185>but <01:09:21.465>that's <01:09:21.745>details

1678
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<01:09:21.904>that <01:09:22.060>we <01:09:22.216>can <01:09:22.371>get <01:09:22.527>into <01:09:22.682>when <01:09:22.838>we <01:09:22.993>do <01:09:23.149>that <01:09:23.304>stuff.

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<01:09:25.085>So <01:09:25.225>that's <01:09:25.365>it <01:09:25.505>from, <01:09:25.645>uh, <01:09:25.785>we <01:09:25.925>are <01:09:26.064>developers <01:09:26.205>live <01:09:26.345>for <01:09:26.484>today.

1680
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<01:09:27.765>Uh, <01:09:27.892>from <01:09:28.019>me, <01:09:28.146>I <01:09:28.274>think <01:09:28.401>like <01:09:28.528>as <01:09:28.655>you <01:09:28.783>slide <01:09:28.910>down <01:09:29.037>the <01:09:29.165>banister

1681
01:09:31.145 --> 01:09:33.625
<01:09:31.145>of <01:09:31.320>life, <01:09:31.495>may <01:09:31.670>your <01:09:31.845>journey <01:09:32.020>be <01:09:32.195>without <01:09:32.370>splinters <01:09:32.545>and.