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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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388
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<00:18:22.165>If <00:18:22.320>you <00:18:22.476>talk <00:18:22.631>to <00:18:22.787>the <00:18:22.942>people <00:18:23.098>that <00:18:23.253>are <00:18:23.409>on <00:18:23.565>board

389
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<00:18:24.285>for <00:18:24.485>quite <00:18:24.685>a <00:18:24.885>long <00:18:25.085>time <00:18:25.285>within <00:18:25.485>the <00:18:25.685>organization

390
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<00:18:26.475>that <00:18:26.630>felt <00:18:26.786>this <00:18:26.941>kind <00:18:27.097>of <00:18:27.252>startup <00:18:27.408>spirit, <00:18:27.563>this <00:18:27.719>family <00:18:27.875>spirit,

391
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<00:18:30.905>um, <00:18:31.105>uh, <00:18:31.305>how <00:18:31.504>could <00:18:31.705>HR <00:18:31.905>then <00:18:32.105>support <00:18:32.305>to,

392
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<00:18:35.585>to <00:18:35.975>really <00:18:36.365>overcome <00:18:36.755>that?

393
00:18:36.885 --> 00:18:39.445
<00:18:36.885>Because <00:18:37.040>I <00:18:37.196>think <00:18:37.351>that's <00:18:37.507>a <00:18:37.662>really <00:18:37.818>dangerous <00:18:37.973>phase <00:18:38.129>in <00:18:38.285>the

394
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<00:18:39.445>development <00:18:39.678>of <00:18:39.911>an <00:18:40.145>organization <00:18:40.378>to <00:18:40.611>fall <00:18:40.845>apart.

395
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<00:18:41.885>Because <00:18:42.118>if <00:18:42.351>you <00:18:42.585>lose <00:18:42.818>this <00:18:43.051>family <00:18:43.285>spirit

396
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<00:18:44.105>and <00:18:44.232>become <00:18:44.359>a <00:18:44.486>kind <00:18:44.614>of <00:18:44.741>a <00:18:44.868>corporate <00:18:44.995>later <00:18:45.123>on <00:18:45.250>with <00:18:45.377>a <00:18:45.505>hell

397
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<00:18:47.165>of <00:18:47.292>a <00:18:47.419>lot <00:18:47.546>of <00:18:47.674>rules, <00:18:47.801>what, <00:18:47.928>what, <00:18:48.055>what, <00:18:48.183>what <00:18:48.310>is <00:18:48.437>your <00:18:48.565>tip?

398
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<00:18:50.185>And, <00:18:50.340>and <00:18:50.496>what, <00:18:50.651>what <00:18:50.807>is, <00:18:50.962>what <00:18:51.118>could, <00:18:51.273>could <00:18:51.429>companies <00:18:51.585>do

399
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<00:18:53.645>to <00:18:53.800>really, <00:18:53.956>and <00:18:54.111>or <00:18:54.267>what <00:18:54.422>could <00:18:54.578>especially <00:18:54.733>HR <00:18:54.889>do, <00:18:55.045>uh,

400
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<00:18:57.265>to <00:18:57.615>really <00:18:57.965>keep <00:18:58.315>that <00:18:58.665>stable?

401
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<00:19:00.035>Yeah. <00:19:00.190>Well, <00:19:00.346>I <00:19:00.501>would <00:19:00.657>say, <00:19:00.812>um, <00:19:00.968>uh, <00:19:01.123>first <00:19:01.279>of <00:19:01.435>all,

402
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<00:19:04.125>communicate, <00:19:04.825>communicate, <00:19:05.525>communicate,

403
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<00:19:05.765>and <00:19:05.965>always <00:19:06.165>be <00:19:06.365>transparent <00:19:06.565>about <00:19:06.765>what's <00:19:06.965>going <00:19:07.165>on.

404
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<00:19:08.905>Um, <00:19:09.045>and, <00:19:09.185>and <00:19:09.325>make <00:19:09.465>sure <00:19:09.605>people, <00:19:09.745>uh, <00:19:09.885>yeah. <00:19:10.024>Understand <00:19:10.165>the <00:19:10.305>why.

405
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<00:19:12.985>You <00:19:13.101>know, <00:19:13.218>why <00:19:13.334>are <00:19:13.451>we <00:19:13.568>doing <00:19:13.685>this? <00:19:13.801>What <00:19:13.918>is <00:19:14.034>the <00:19:14.151>benefit <00:19:14.268>for <00:19:14.385>me?

406
00:19:16.465 --> 00:19:19.645
<00:19:16.465>Uh, <00:19:16.605>what <00:19:16.745>are, <00:19:16.885>you <00:19:17.024>know, <00:19:17.165>uh, <00:19:17.304>what <00:19:17.445>are <00:19:17.584>we <00:19:17.725>heading <00:19:17.865>towards?

407
00:19:19.985 --> 00:19:23.085
<00:19:19.985>You <00:19:20.125>know, <00:19:20.264>what <00:19:20.405>is <00:19:20.544>the <00:19:20.685>ultimate <00:19:20.824>objective <00:19:20.965>of <00:19:21.104>going <00:19:21.245>where <00:19:21.385>we,

408
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<00:19:23.095>where <00:19:23.416>we <00:19:23.737>are <00:19:24.058>going?

409
00:19:24.905 --> 00:19:28.805
<00:19:24.905>Um, <00:19:25.060>and, <00:19:25.216>and <00:19:25.371>work <00:19:25.527>with <00:19:25.682>the <00:19:25.838>people, <00:19:25.993>not <00:19:26.149>do <00:19:26.305>things

410
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<00:19:28.985>to <00:19:29.185>the <00:19:29.385>people, <00:19:29.584>but <00:19:29.784>really <00:19:29.985>work <00:19:30.185>with, <00:19:30.385>um,

411
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<00:19:31.675>they <00:19:32.024>understand <00:19:32.375>the <00:19:32.725>business <00:19:33.075>best.

412
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<00:19:33.755>They <00:19:33.988>can <00:19:34.221>also <00:19:34.455>help, <00:19:34.688>you <00:19:34.921>know, <00:19:35.155>uh,

413
00:19:35.685 --> 00:19:37.765
<00:19:35.685>build <00:19:35.918>the <00:19:36.151>best <00:19:36.385>process <00:19:36.618>for <00:19:36.851>the <00:19:37.085>future.

414
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<00:19:37.985>So <00:19:38.112>I <00:19:38.239>would <00:19:38.366>say, <00:19:38.494>uh, <00:19:38.621>that <00:19:38.748>to <00:19:38.875>me <00:19:39.003>is <00:19:39.130>a <00:19:39.257>golden <00:19:39.385>rule.

415
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<00:19:41.525>There <00:19:41.700>is <00:19:41.875>a <00:19:42.050>bit <00:19:42.225>of <00:19:42.400>a <00:19:42.575>challenge, <00:19:42.750>you <00:19:42.925>know,

416
00:19:43.525 --> 00:19:48.245
<00:19:43.525>because <00:19:43.680>when <00:19:43.836>companies <00:19:43.991>get <00:19:44.147>bigger, <00:19:44.302>the, <00:19:44.458>the <00:19:44.613>very <00:19:44.769>broad <00:19:44.925>roles

417
00:19:48.315 --> 00:19:51.765
<00:19:48.315>that <00:19:48.515>everybody <00:19:48.715>had <00:19:48.915>becomes <00:19:49.115>smaller <00:19:49.315>and <00:19:49.515>narrower, <00:19:49.715>right?

418
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<00:19:51.825>So <00:19:52.058>there <00:19:52.291>are <00:19:52.525>certain <00:19:52.758>specialists <00:19:52.991>with <00:19:53.225>that.

419
00:19:54.345 --> 00:19:57.765
<00:19:54.345>You <00:19:54.545>have <00:19:54.745>more <00:19:54.945>interfaces <00:19:55.145>with <00:19:55.345>that <00:19:55.545>you <00:19:55.745>have

420
00:19:57.765 --> 00:20:00.925
<00:19:57.765>to <00:19:57.965>have <00:19:58.165>better <00:19:58.365>understanding <00:19:58.565>of <00:19:58.765>where's <00:19:58.965>the <00:19:59.165>handover?

421
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<00:20:01.225>How <00:20:01.504>do <00:20:01.784>we <00:20:02.064>manage <00:20:02.344>certain <00:20:02.625>decisions?

422
00:20:03.505 --> 00:20:06.045
<00:20:03.505>You <00:20:03.705>know, <00:20:03.905>what <00:20:04.105>is <00:20:04.305>the <00:20:04.505>organization <00:20:04.705>or <00:20:04.905>design?

423
00:20:06.825 --> 00:20:10.845
<00:20:06.825>So <00:20:06.965>I <00:20:07.105>would <00:20:07.245>say <00:20:07.385>that <00:20:07.525>that <00:20:07.665>requires <00:20:07.805>a <00:20:07.945>lot <00:20:08.085>of <00:20:08.225>communication

424
00:20:10.945 --> 00:20:13.205
<00:20:10.945>and <00:20:11.145>a <00:20:11.345>lot <00:20:11.544>of <00:20:11.745>working <00:20:11.945>with <00:20:12.145>the <00:20:12.345>people.

425
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<00:20:13.785>Um, <00:20:14.065>again, <00:20:14.345>also <00:20:14.625>the, <00:20:14.905>the <00:20:15.185>investors,

426
00:20:18.395 --> 00:20:21.285
<00:20:18.395>they <00:20:18.570>might <00:20:18.745>see <00:20:18.920>things <00:20:19.095>through <00:20:19.270>a <00:20:19.445>different <00:20:19.620>lens, <00:20:19.795>right?

427
00:20:21.285 --> 00:20:25.085
<00:20:21.285>Things <00:20:21.425>that <00:20:21.565>are, <00:20:21.705>the, <00:20:21.845>the <00:20:21.985>founder <00:20:22.125>team <00:20:22.265>is <00:20:22.405>very <00:20:22.545>attached <00:20:22.685>to

428
00:20:25.145 --> 00:20:28.085
<00:20:25.145>and <00:20:25.378>very <00:20:25.611>proud <00:20:25.845>of <00:20:26.078>are <00:20:26.311>family <00:20:26.545>scrutinized

429
00:20:28.185 --> 00:20:30.325
<00:20:28.185>and <00:20:28.418>are <00:20:28.651>seen <00:20:28.885>through <00:20:29.118>a <00:20:29.351>different <00:20:29.585>lens.

430
00:20:30.945 --> 00:20:34.045
<00:20:30.945>And <00:20:31.100>I <00:20:31.256>would <00:20:31.411>say <00:20:31.567>coming <00:20:31.722>from <00:20:31.878>a <00:20:32.033>private <00:20:32.189>equity <00:20:32.345>background,

431
00:20:34.375 --> 00:20:37.125
<00:20:34.375>everything <00:20:34.608>that's <00:20:34.841>not <00:20:35.075>working <00:20:35.308>well <00:20:35.541>is <00:20:35.775>an

432
00:20:37.125 --> 00:20:38.605
<00:20:37.125>opportunity <00:20:37.791>for <00:20:38.457>improvement.

433
00:20:38.665 --> 00:20:41.125
<00:20:38.665>You <00:20:38.820>know, <00:20:38.976>if <00:20:39.131>you <00:20:39.287>have <00:20:39.442>that <00:20:39.598>culture <00:20:39.753>and <00:20:39.909>that <00:20:40.065>mindset

434
00:20:41.985 --> 00:20:45.045
<00:20:41.985>and <00:20:42.140>say, <00:20:42.296>it's <00:20:42.451>not <00:20:42.607>a <00:20:42.762>criticism, <00:20:42.918>it's <00:20:43.073>not <00:20:43.229>a <00:20:43.385>criticism

435
00:20:45.065 --> 00:20:46.125
<00:20:45.065>of <00:20:45.383>the <00:20:45.701>past, <00:20:46.019>right?

436
00:20:46.745 --> 00:20:49.405
<00:20:46.745>But <00:20:46.978>everything <00:20:47.211>that <00:20:47.445>we, <00:20:47.678>that <00:20:47.911>we <00:20:48.145>see

437
00:20:49.405 --> 00:20:52.125
<00:20:49.405>that <00:20:49.580>is <00:20:49.754>not <00:20:49.930>working <00:20:50.105>perfectly <00:20:50.280>well <00:20:50.455>is <00:20:50.629>an <00:20:50.805>opportunity

438
00:20:52.225 --> 00:20:55.045
<00:20:52.225>for <00:20:52.380>the <00:20:52.536>future <00:20:52.691>and <00:20:52.847>will <00:20:53.002>help <00:20:53.158>us <00:20:53.313>create <00:20:53.469>even <00:20:53.625>more

439
00:20:55.055 --> 00:20:56.525
<00:20:55.055>value <00:20:55.496>for <00:20:55.937>the <00:20:56.378>future.

440
00:20:56.745 --> 00:21:00.285
<00:20:56.745>So <00:20:56.900>I, <00:20:57.056>I <00:20:57.211>would <00:20:57.367>always <00:20:57.522>put <00:20:57.678>the <00:20:57.833>focus <00:20:57.989>on <00:20:58.145>the

441
00:21:00.285 --> 00:21:01.445
<00:21:00.285>future <00:21:00.807>vision, <00:21:01.329>right?

442
00:21:01.445 --> 00:21:04.245
<00:21:01.445>Nobody <00:21:01.678>likes <00:21:01.911>it <00:21:02.145>when <00:21:02.378>the <00:21:02.611>past <00:21:02.845>is,

443
00:21:04.465 --> 00:21:07.165
<00:21:04.465>is <00:21:04.620>being <00:21:04.776>scrutinized <00:21:04.931>when <00:21:05.087>they <00:21:05.242>feel <00:21:05.398>that <00:21:05.553>the <00:21:05.709>hard <00:21:05.865>work

444
00:21:07.165 --> 00:21:09.725
<00:21:07.165>that <00:21:07.340>they <00:21:07.514>have <00:21:07.690>done <00:21:07.865>today <00:21:08.040>is, <00:21:08.215>is <00:21:08.389>not <00:21:08.565>valued.

445
00:21:09.855 --> 00:21:13.245
<00:21:09.855>Right? <00:21:10.055>Building <00:21:10.255>the <00:21:10.455>tradition <00:21:10.655>for <00:21:10.855>the <00:21:11.055>future <00:21:11.255>together,

446
00:21:14.005 --> 00:21:15.925
<00:21:14.005>I <00:21:14.238>think's <00:21:14.471>really <00:21:14.705>important <00:21:14.938>in <00:21:15.171>this <00:21:15.405>phase.

447
00:21:17.985 --> 00:21:19.165
<00:21:17.985>Do <00:21:18.250>you <00:21:18.515>think <00:21:18.781>that <00:21:19.047>HR

448
00:21:19.705 --> 00:21:24.005
<00:21:19.705>or <00:21:19.832>that <00:21:19.959>the <00:21:20.086>HR <00:21:20.214>scenery <00:21:20.341>that, <00:21:20.468>you <00:21:20.595>know, <00:21:20.723>is <00:21:20.850>bold <00:21:20.977>enough <00:21:21.105>to,

449
00:21:24.745 --> 00:21:28.925
<00:21:24.745>to, <00:21:24.919>to <00:21:25.094>go <00:21:25.270>on <00:21:25.445>this <00:21:25.620>kind <00:21:25.794>of <00:21:25.969>confrontational <00:21:26.145>track?

450
00:21:28.925 --> 00:21:31.005
<00:21:28.925>Because <00:21:29.205>I <00:21:29.485>think <00:21:29.764>it's <00:21:30.044>confronting <00:21:30.325>managers

451
00:21:31.025 --> 00:21:32.605
<00:21:31.025>and <00:21:31.375>leaders <00:21:31.725>with <00:21:32.075>the <00:21:32.425>truth.

452
00:21:32.955 --> 00:21:35.605
<00:21:32.955>It's, <00:21:33.235>it's <00:21:33.514>really <00:21:33.794>speaking <00:21:34.074>extremely <00:21:34.355>open

453
00:21:36.145 --> 00:21:37.245
<00:21:36.145>and <00:21:36.392>as <00:21:36.639>you <00:21:36.887>said, <00:21:37.135>okay.

454
00:21:37.505 --> 00:21:40.045
<00:21:37.505>It, <00:21:37.632>it <00:21:37.759>has <00:21:37.886>nothing <00:21:38.014>to <00:21:38.141>do <00:21:38.268>with <00:21:38.395>what <00:21:38.523>we <00:21:38.650>did <00:21:38.777>was <00:21:38.905>bad.

455
00:21:40.505 --> 00:21:43.885
<00:21:40.505>It <00:21:40.632>has <00:21:40.759>more <00:21:40.886>to <00:21:41.014>do <00:21:41.141>what <00:21:41.268>is <00:21:41.395>needed <00:21:41.523>in <00:21:41.650>the <00:21:41.777>future. <00:21:41.905>Exactly.

456
00:21:43.985 --> 00:21:46.885
<00:21:43.985>Do <00:21:44.125>you <00:21:44.264>think <00:21:44.405>that <00:21:44.544>HR <00:21:44.685>is <00:21:44.824>bold <00:21:44.965>enough <00:21:45.104>or <00:21:45.245>brave <00:21:45.385>enough?

457
00:21:47.445 --> 00:21:49.525
<00:21:47.445>I <00:21:47.600>think <00:21:47.756>HR <00:21:47.911>has <00:21:48.067>a <00:21:48.222>way <00:21:48.378>to <00:21:48.533>go, <00:21:48.689>right? <00:21:48.845>Mm-hmm.

458
00:21:49.625 --> 00:21:52.645
<00:21:49.625>HR <00:21:49.858>sometimes <00:21:50.091>is <00:21:50.325>too <00:21:50.558>procedural, <00:21:50.791>right? <00:21:51.025>Mm-hmm.

459
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<00:21:52.645>And, <00:21:52.785>and <00:21:52.925>not <00:21:53.065>good <00:21:53.205>enough <00:21:53.345>at <00:21:53.485>explaining <00:21:53.625>why <00:21:53.764>are <00:21:53.905>we <00:21:54.045>doing

460
00:21:55.925 --> 00:21:57.605
<00:21:55.925>this, <00:21:56.100>you <00:21:56.274>know, <00:21:56.450>what <00:21:56.625>are <00:21:56.800>we <00:21:56.975>trying <00:21:57.149>to <00:21:57.325>achieve?

461
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<00:21:57.905>So, <00:21:58.254>um, <00:21:58.605>uh, <00:21:58.955>and, <00:21:59.305>and,

462
00:22:01.325 --> 00:22:04.045
<00:22:01.325>and <00:22:01.500>sometimes <00:22:01.675>too <00:22:01.850>much <00:22:02.025>of <00:22:02.200>a, <00:22:02.375>like <00:22:02.550>a <00:22:02.725>strict,

463
00:22:04.145 --> 00:22:05.285
<00:22:04.145>you <00:22:04.487>know, <00:22:04.829>father <00:22:05.171>figure.

464
00:22:05.585 --> 00:22:07.485
<00:22:05.585>And, <00:22:05.818>and <00:22:06.051>I <00:22:06.285>think <00:22:06.518>that's <00:22:06.751>not <00:22:06.985>good.

465
00:22:07.785 --> 00:22:11.125
<00:22:07.785>Uh, <00:22:07.940>I, <00:22:08.096>I, <00:22:08.251>I <00:22:08.407>read <00:22:08.562>a <00:22:08.718>book <00:22:08.873>by <00:22:09.029>a <00:22:09.185>friend,

466
00:22:11.125 --> 00:22:12.485
<00:22:11.125>author <00:22:11.533>called <00:22:11.941>Lucy <00:22:12.349>Adams,

467
00:22:12.485 --> 00:22:15.045
<00:22:12.485>and <00:22:12.659>she <00:22:12.834>said, <00:22:13.010>HR <00:22:13.185>is <00:22:13.360>not <00:22:13.534>the <00:22:13.709>caring <00:22:13.885>mother,

468
00:22:15.265 --> 00:22:17.685
<00:22:15.265>and <00:22:15.465>HR <00:22:15.665>is <00:22:15.865>what <00:22:16.065>the <00:22:16.265>strict <00:22:16.465>father, <00:22:16.665>right?

469
00:22:17.705 --> 00:22:20.925
<00:22:17.705>Mm-hmm. <00:22:17.845>So <00:22:17.985>we <00:22:18.125>are <00:22:18.264>not <00:22:18.405>dealing <00:22:18.544>with <00:22:18.685>children, <00:22:18.824>we <00:22:18.965>are <00:22:19.105>dealing

470
00:22:20.925 --> 00:22:23.045
<00:22:20.925>with <00:22:21.205>adults <00:22:21.485>in <00:22:21.764>a <00:22:22.044>business <00:22:22.325>context.

471
00:22:23.465 --> 00:22:25.045
<00:22:23.465>And <00:22:23.698>I <00:22:23.931>really, <00:22:24.165>I <00:22:24.398>really <00:22:24.631>like <00:22:24.865>that.

472
00:22:25.225 --> 00:22:27.685
<00:22:25.225>You <00:22:25.352>know, <00:22:25.479>I <00:22:25.606>think <00:22:25.734>we, <00:22:25.861>we <00:22:25.988>need <00:22:26.115>to <00:22:26.243>come <00:22:26.370>with <00:22:26.497>that <00:22:26.625>mindset

473
00:22:27.865 --> 00:22:30.685
<00:22:27.865>of <00:22:28.005>saying, <00:22:28.145>we <00:22:28.285>are <00:22:28.425>dealing <00:22:28.565>with <00:22:28.705>adults <00:22:28.845>in <00:22:28.985>a <00:22:29.125>business <00:22:29.265>context.

474
00:22:30.855 --> 00:22:32.765
<00:22:30.855>We're <00:22:31.205>in <00:22:31.555>this <00:22:31.905>together. <00:22:32.255>Mm-hmm.

475
00:22:33.025 --> 00:22:35.605
<00:22:33.025>Um, <00:22:33.225>and, <00:22:33.425>and <00:22:33.625>again, <00:22:33.825>it <00:22:34.025>comes <00:22:34.225>back <00:22:34.425>to

476
00:22:35.605 --> 00:22:37.165
<00:22:35.605>what <00:22:35.955>we <00:22:36.305>discussed <00:22:36.655>earlier, <00:22:37.005>right?

477
00:22:38.185 --> 00:22:40.965
<00:22:38.185>Are <00:22:38.360>being <00:22:38.534>an <00:22:38.710>integral <00:22:38.885>part <00:22:39.060>of <00:22:39.235>the <00:22:39.409>business <00:22:39.585>mm-hmm.

478
00:22:40.965 --> 00:22:43.085
<00:22:40.965>With <00:22:41.431>the <00:22:41.898>same <00:22:42.365>challenges

479
00:22:43.225 --> 00:22:45.405
<00:22:43.225>and <00:22:43.458>not <00:22:43.691>always <00:22:43.925>having <00:22:44.158>an <00:22:44.391>every <00:22:44.625>answer

480
00:22:45.585 --> 00:22:46.965
<00:22:45.585>and, <00:22:45.833>you <00:22:46.081>know, <00:22:46.330>finding <00:22:46.578>it <00:22:46.827>together.

481
00:22:47.625 --> 00:22:51.965
<00:22:47.625>Um, <00:22:47.780>and <00:22:47.936>the <00:22:48.091>leaders <00:22:48.247>also <00:22:48.402>acknowledging, <00:22:48.558>um, <00:22:48.713>that, <00:22:48.869>that, <00:22:49.025>uh,

482
00:22:51.965 --> 00:22:53.885
<00:22:51.965>value <00:22:52.198>in <00:22:52.431>that <00:22:52.665>sparring <00:22:52.898>partnership, <00:22:53.131>you <00:22:53.365>know?

483
00:22:54.065 --> 00:22:56.765
<00:22:54.065>Mm-hmm. <00:22:54.415>So <00:22:54.765>it's, <00:22:55.115>um, <00:22:55.465>yeah.

484
00:22:56.825 --> 00:22:58.845
<00:22:56.825>Uh, <00:22:57.025>I <00:22:57.225>don't <00:22:57.425>think <00:22:57.625>HR <00:22:57.825>is <00:22:58.025>fully <00:22:58.225>there.

485
00:22:59.245 --> 00:23:01.685
<00:22:59.245>I <00:22:59.478>think <00:22:59.711>sometimes <00:22:59.945>HR <00:23:00.178>comes <00:23:00.411>with <00:23:00.645>solutions

486
00:23:02.735 --> 00:23:04.785
<00:23:02.735>that <00:23:03.084>worked <00:23:03.435>in <00:23:03.784>previous <00:23:04.135>companies

487
00:23:04.925 --> 00:23:08.865
<00:23:04.925>or <00:23:05.100>that, <00:23:05.274>um, <00:23:05.450>uh, <00:23:05.625>that <00:23:05.800>they <00:23:05.975>think, <00:23:06.149>uh, <00:23:06.325>is

488
00:23:08.865 --> 00:23:11.385
<00:23:08.865>what <00:23:09.020>it <00:23:09.176>should <00:23:09.331>be <00:23:09.487>like, <00:23:09.642>without <00:23:09.798>really <00:23:09.953>asking <00:23:10.109>the <00:23:10.265>question,

489
00:23:11.525 --> 00:23:13.345
<00:23:11.525>is <00:23:11.725>this <00:23:11.925>what <00:23:12.125>the <00:23:12.325>business <00:23:12.525>needs <00:23:12.725>right <00:23:12.925>now?

490
00:23:13.885 --> 00:23:14.885
Mm-hmm.

491
00:23:15.405 --> 00:23:19.145
<00:23:15.405>It, <00:23:15.521>it, <00:23:15.638>i <00:23:15.754>i, <00:23:15.871>if <00:23:15.988>you <00:23:16.105>look <00:23:16.221>on, <00:23:16.338>on, <00:23:16.455>on <00:23:16.571>your <00:23:16.688>broad <00:23:16.805>experience,

492
00:23:19.145 --> 00:23:21.225
<00:23:19.145>many, <00:23:19.425>many <00:23:19.705>years <00:23:19.985>in <00:23:20.264>hr, <00:23:20.545>uh,

493
00:23:21.285 --> 00:23:22.985
<00:23:21.285>is <00:23:21.518>there <00:23:21.751>something <00:23:21.985>which <00:23:22.218>you <00:23:22.451>say, <00:23:22.685>okay,

494
00:23:22.985 --> 00:23:24.905
<00:23:22.985>we <00:23:23.159>have <00:23:23.334>reached <00:23:23.510>a <00:23:23.685>point <00:23:23.860>now <00:23:24.034>where <00:23:24.209>we <00:23:24.385>need

495
00:23:24.905 --> 00:23:27.585
<00:23:24.905>to <00:23:25.138>unlearn <00:23:25.371>one <00:23:25.605>specific <00:23:25.838>thing <00:23:26.071>as <00:23:26.305>hr?

496
00:23:29.115 --> 00:23:30.375
<00:23:29.115>Uh, <00:23:29.341>that's <00:23:29.568>a <00:23:29.795>very <00:23:30.022>good <00:23:30.249>question.

497
00:23:30.715 --> 00:23:32.175
<00:23:30.715>Um, <00:23:32.029>I,

498
00:23:36.215 --> 00:23:39.705
<00:23:36.215>I, <00:23:36.681>I <00:23:37.148>don't <00:23:37.615>know.

499
00:23:39.945 --> 00:23:44.705
<00:23:39.945>I, <00:23:40.061>I, <00:23:40.178>no, <00:23:40.294>I, <00:23:40.411>I <00:23:40.528>think <00:23:40.645>we, <00:23:40.761>we <00:23:40.878>need <00:23:40.995>to <00:23:41.111>keep <00:23:41.228>curiosity, <00:23:41.345>right?

500
00:23:44.705 --> 00:23:48.565
<00:23:44.705>Mm-hmm. <00:23:44.905>Even <00:23:45.105>the <00:23:45.304>most <00:23:45.504>experienced <00:23:45.705>HR <00:23:45.905>people <00:23:46.105>mm-hmm.

501
00:23:49.305 --> 00:23:51.205
<00:23:49.305>To <00:23:49.655>keep <00:23:50.005>that <00:23:50.355>curious <00:23:50.705>mindset

502
00:23:51.545 --> 00:23:54.005
<00:23:51.545>and <00:23:51.745>say, <00:23:51.945>Hey, <00:23:52.145>this <00:23:52.345>is <00:23:52.545>a <00:23:52.745>new <00:23:52.945>situation,

503
00:23:54.245 --> 00:23:55.565
<00:23:54.245>a <00:23:54.482>new <00:23:54.720>business, <00:23:54.957>a <00:23:55.195>new <00:23:55.433>context.

504
00:23:56.465 --> 00:23:58.365
<00:23:56.465>Um, <00:23:57.165>and, <00:23:57.865>uh,

505
00:23:58.625 --> 00:24:02.285
<00:23:58.625>and <00:23:58.752>I <00:23:58.879>have, <00:23:59.006>even <00:23:59.134>if <00:23:59.261>I <00:23:59.388>have <00:23:59.515>a <00:23:59.643>wealth <00:23:59.770>of <00:23:59.897>experience <00:24:00.025>mm-hmm.

506
00:24:02.365 --> 00:24:04.685
<00:24:02.365>You <00:24:02.565>know, <00:24:02.765>it's <00:24:02.965>not <00:24:03.165>a <00:24:03.365>co <00:24:03.565>cookie <00:24:03.765>cutter

507
00:24:04.925 --> 00:24:06.005
<00:24:04.925>solution <00:24:05.119>that <00:24:05.313>I <00:24:05.508>can <00:24:05.702>come <00:24:05.897>with.

508
00:24:06.145 --> 00:24:08.245
<00:24:06.145>So <00:24:06.425>I <00:24:06.705>think <00:24:06.985>keeping <00:24:07.264>that <00:24:07.545>curiosity

509
00:24:08.545 --> 00:24:10.885
<00:24:08.545>and <00:24:08.895>that <00:24:09.245>learning <00:24:09.595>mindset <00:24:09.945>mm-hmm.

510
00:24:10.965 --> 00:24:12.245
<00:24:10.965>Um, <00:24:11.349>that <00:24:11.733>is <00:24:12.117>important.

511
00:24:12.785 --> 00:24:14.885
<00:24:12.785>Mm-hmm. <00:24:13.135>And <00:24:13.485>there's <00:24:13.835>a <00:24:14.185>lot

512
00:24:14.885 --> 00:24:16.645
<00:24:14.885>of <00:24:15.235>discussions <00:24:15.585>currently <00:24:15.935>going <00:24:16.285>on.

513
00:24:16.725 --> 00:24:17.925
<00:24:16.725>I <00:24:16.905>mean, <00:24:17.085>if <00:24:17.264>you <00:24:17.445>look <00:24:17.625>on, <00:24:17.804>uh,

514
00:24:18.025 --> 00:24:22.325
<00:24:18.025>as <00:24:18.225>candidates <00:24:18.425>start <00:24:18.625>using <00:24:18.825>chat <00:24:19.025>TPT <00:24:19.225>for <00:24:19.425>looking

515
00:24:22.385 --> 00:24:27.325
<00:24:22.385>for <00:24:22.525>chops, <00:24:22.665>uh, <00:24:22.805>uh, <00:24:22.945>companies <00:24:23.085>are <00:24:23.225>using <00:24:23.365>Jet <00:24:23.504>GPT <00:24:23.645>for <00:24:23.785>writing,

516
00:24:27.625 --> 00:24:29.525
<00:24:27.625>uh, <00:24:27.975>chop <00:24:28.325>ads, <00:24:28.675>for <00:24:29.025>example.

517
00:24:29.765 --> 00:24:33.525
<00:24:29.765>I <00:24:29.872>mean, <00:24:29.980>at <00:24:30.088>the <00:24:30.195>end <00:24:30.303>of <00:24:30.411>the <00:24:30.518>day, <00:24:30.626>we <00:24:30.734>are <00:24:30.841>coming <00:24:30.949>to <00:24:31.057>a, <00:24:31.165>to,

518
00:24:33.525 --> 00:24:34.925
<00:24:33.525>to <00:24:33.945>mechanism <00:24:34.365>that, <00:24:34.784>uh,

519
00:24:35.285 --> 00:24:38.285
<00:24:35.285>probably <00:24:35.425>we <00:24:35.565>can't <00:24:35.705>continue <00:24:35.845>like <00:24:35.985>we <00:24:36.125>did, <00:24:36.265>uh, <00:24:36.405>with <00:24:36.545>chop <00:24:36.685>board

520
00:24:38.285 --> 00:24:40.165
<00:24:38.285>and <00:24:38.460>chop <00:24:38.635>descriptions <00:24:38.810>and <00:24:38.985>all <00:24:39.160>this <00:24:39.335>kind <00:24:39.510>of <00:24:39.685>thing,

521
00:24:40.245 --> 00:24:43.565
<00:24:40.245>because <00:24:40.385>we <00:24:40.524>are <00:24:40.665>coming <00:24:40.804>to <00:24:40.945>kind <00:24:41.084>of <00:24:41.225>a <00:24:41.364>skilled <00:24:41.504>based, <00:24:41.645>uh,

522
00:24:44.155 --> 00:24:45.285
<00:24:44.155>kind <00:24:44.663>of <00:24:45.172>modality.

523
00:24:46.025 --> 00:24:47.285
<00:24:46.025>Uh, <00:24:46.403>yeah. <00:24:46.781>So, <00:24:47.159>so,

524
00:24:48.185 --> 00:24:50.285
<00:24:48.185>and <00:24:48.418>my <00:24:48.651>impression <00:24:48.885>is, <00:24:49.118>I <00:24:49.351>mean, <00:24:49.585>I,

525
00:24:50.405 --> 00:24:52.485
<00:24:50.405>I <00:24:50.685>personally <00:24:50.965>stopped <00:24:51.245>reading <00:24:51.524>CVS <00:24:51.805>many,

526
00:24:52.485 --> 00:24:53.565
<00:24:52.485>many <00:24:52.809>years <00:24:53.133>ago <00:24:53.457>mm-hmm.

527
00:24:53.645 --> 00:24:56.605
<00:24:53.645>Because <00:24:53.772>I, <00:24:53.899>I <00:24:54.026>found <00:24:54.154>it <00:24:54.281>extremely <00:24:54.408>un <00:24:54.535>useful <00:24:54.663>to, <00:24:54.790>if <00:24:54.917>I <00:24:55.045>want

528
00:24:56.605 --> 00:25:00.565
<00:24:56.605>to <00:24:56.760>go, <00:24:56.916>if <00:24:57.071>I <00:24:57.227>want <00:24:57.382>to <00:24:57.538>find <00:24:57.693>someone, <00:24:57.849>to, <00:24:58.005>to,

529
00:25:00.585 --> 00:25:04.485
<00:25:00.585>to <00:25:00.701>go <00:25:00.818>together <00:25:00.935>into <00:25:01.051>the <00:25:01.168>future <00:25:01.285>to <00:25:01.401>deal <00:25:01.518>a <00:25:01.635>lot <00:25:01.751>and, <00:25:01.868>and, <00:25:01.985>and,

530
00:25:04.485 --> 00:25:05.605
<00:25:04.485>and <00:25:04.821>spend <00:25:05.157>hours <00:25:05.493>of,

531
00:25:05.625 --> 00:25:08.125
<00:25:05.625>of <00:25:05.800>taking <00:25:05.975>care <00:25:06.150>about <00:25:06.325>the <00:25:06.500>history <00:25:06.675>of <00:25:06.850>this <00:25:07.025>person.

532
00:25:08.745 --> 00:25:09.965
<00:25:08.745>So <00:25:09.019>I <00:25:09.293>stopped <00:25:09.568>doing <00:25:09.842>it.

533
00:25:10.125 --> 00:25:13.605
<00:25:10.125>I, <00:25:10.241>I, <00:25:10.358>I <00:25:10.475>said, <00:25:10.591>uh, <00:25:10.708>the <00:25:10.825>most <00:25:10.941>useful <00:25:11.058>way <00:25:11.175>for <00:25:11.291>me <00:25:11.408>always <00:25:11.525>was

534
00:25:13.605 --> 00:25:15.845
<00:25:13.605>to <00:25:13.760>get <00:25:13.916>the <00:25:14.071>people <00:25:14.227>in <00:25:14.382>front <00:25:14.538>of <00:25:14.693>my <00:25:14.849>desk <00:25:15.005>and,

535
00:25:15.845 --> 00:25:17.565
<00:25:15.845>and <00:25:16.045>have <00:25:16.245>a, <00:25:16.445>have <00:25:16.645>a <00:25:16.845>chat <00:25:17.045>with <00:25:17.245>them.

536
00:25:17.755 --> 00:25:20.685
<00:25:17.755>Yeah. <00:25:17.895>Mm-hmm. <00:25:18.035>Uh, <00:25:18.175>and, <00:25:18.315>and, <00:25:18.455>and <00:25:18.595>then <00:25:18.735>look <00:25:18.875>into <00:25:19.015>their <00:25:19.155>eyes.

537
00:25:20.705 --> 00:25:23.565
<00:25:20.705>And <00:25:20.821>if <00:25:20.938>the <00:25:21.054>sparkle <00:25:21.171>comes, <00:25:21.288>if <00:25:21.405>I <00:25:21.521>tell <00:25:21.638>what <00:25:21.754>I <00:25:21.871>want <00:25:21.988>to <00:25:22.105>achieve,

538
00:25:23.665 --> 00:25:25.885
<00:25:23.665>uh, <00:25:23.840>then <00:25:24.014>it <00:25:24.190>normally <00:25:24.365>worked <00:25:24.540>out <00:25:24.715>pretty, <00:25:24.889>pretty <00:25:25.065>well.

539
00:25:26.545 --> 00:25:30.525
<00:25:26.545>But <00:25:26.652>do <00:25:26.760>you <00:25:26.868>think <00:25:26.975>that <00:25:27.083>we <00:25:27.191>need <00:25:27.298>to <00:25:27.406>come <00:25:27.514>to <00:25:27.621>a <00:25:27.729>point <00:25:27.837>where <00:25:27.945>we,

540
00:25:30.545 --> 00:25:34.885
<00:25:30.545>we, <00:25:30.700>we <00:25:30.856>open <00:25:31.011>up <00:25:31.167>for <00:25:31.322>skill-based <00:25:31.478>talent <00:25:31.633>management <00:25:31.789>more, <00:25:31.945>uh,

541
00:25:35.555 --> 00:25:36.805
<00:25:35.555>then <00:25:35.836>what <00:25:36.117>we <00:25:36.398>do <00:25:36.680>now?

542
00:25:36.825 --> 00:25:39.005
<00:25:36.825>We <00:25:37.025>are <00:25:37.225>watching <00:25:37.425>series, <00:25:37.625>we <00:25:37.825>are <00:25:38.025>talking, <00:25:38.225>uh,

543
00:25:39.005 --> 00:25:41.805
<00:25:39.005>we <00:25:39.145>are <00:25:39.285>having <00:25:39.425>a <00:25:39.565>look <00:25:39.705>on, <00:25:39.845>on, <00:25:39.985>on, <00:25:40.125>on <00:25:40.265>educational <00:25:40.405>things.

544
00:25:41.805 --> 00:25:43.125
<00:25:41.805>Yeah. <00:25:42.201>And <00:25:42.597>then, <00:25:42.993>yeah,

545
00:25:43.685 --> 00:25:45.885
<00:25:43.685>A <00:25:43.918>hundred <00:25:44.151>percent, <00:25:44.385>uh, <00:25:44.618>a <00:25:44.851>hundred <00:25:45.085>percent.

546
00:25:46.085 --> 00:25:49.085
<00:25:46.085>I, <00:25:46.212>I <00:25:46.339>truly <00:25:46.466>believe <00:25:46.594>it's <00:25:46.721>the, <00:25:46.848>we <00:25:46.975>need <00:25:47.103>to <00:25:47.230>look <00:25:47.357>at <00:25:47.485>skills.

547
00:25:49.185 --> 00:25:51.725
<00:25:49.185>We <00:25:49.360>need <00:25:49.534>to <00:25:49.710>look <00:25:49.885>at <00:25:50.060>personality <00:25:50.235>trait <00:25:50.409>and <00:25:50.585>mindset.

548
00:25:52.625 --> 00:25:56.645
<00:25:52.625>Um, <00:25:52.800>how <00:25:52.975>do <00:25:53.150>people <00:25:53.325>approach <00:25:53.500>certain <00:25:53.675>problems? <00:25:53.850>You <00:25:54.025>know?

549
00:25:57.185 --> 00:25:59.845
<00:25:57.185>Um, <00:25:57.385>here, <00:25:57.585>maybe <00:25:57.784>the <00:25:57.985>CV <00:25:58.185>is <00:25:58.385>relevant, <00:25:58.585>right?

550
00:25:59.905 --> 00:26:01.845
<00:25:59.905>You <00:26:00.080>can <00:26:00.254>ask, <00:26:00.430>you <00:26:00.605>know, <00:26:00.780>how <00:26:00.955>have <00:26:01.129>you <00:26:01.305>solved

551
00:26:01.875 --> 00:26:02.965
<00:26:01.875>this <00:26:02.120>problem <00:26:02.365>in <00:26:02.610>the <00:26:02.856>past?

552
00:26:03.185 --> 00:26:05.565
<00:26:03.185>You <00:26:03.360>know, <00:26:03.534>what <00:26:03.710>was <00:26:03.885>the, <00:26:04.060>what <00:26:04.235>was <00:26:04.409>the <00:26:04.585>learning,

553
00:26:06.025 --> 00:26:08.445
<00:26:06.025>but <00:26:06.165>not <00:26:06.305>in <00:26:06.445>terms <00:26:06.585>of <00:26:06.725>have <00:26:06.865>you <00:26:07.005>done <00:26:07.145>a <00:26:07.285>tick, <00:26:07.425>right?

554
00:26:08.465 --> 00:26:10.885
<00:26:08.465>So <00:26:08.639>that <00:26:08.814>doesn't, <00:26:08.990>and <00:26:09.165>I, <00:26:09.340>I <00:26:09.514>mean, <00:26:09.689>coming <00:26:09.865>back

555
00:26:10.885 --> 00:26:14.365
<00:26:10.885>to <00:26:11.060>your <00:26:11.235>initial <00:26:11.410>comment, <00:26:11.585>the <00:26:11.760>job <00:26:11.935>description <00:26:12.110>is <00:26:12.285>written

556
00:26:14.425 --> 00:26:17.165
<00:26:14.425>by <00:26:14.565>chat, <00:26:14.705>GPT, <00:26:14.845>the <00:26:14.985>CV <00:26:15.125>is <00:26:15.264>written <00:26:15.405>by <00:26:15.544>chat <00:26:15.685>g <00:26:15.825>pt,

557
00:26:17.675 --> 00:26:19.365
<00:26:17.675>it's <00:26:17.908>not <00:26:18.141>like <00:26:18.375>a <00:26:18.608>puzzle, <00:26:18.841>you <00:26:19.075>know,

558
00:26:19.365 --> 00:26:22.045
<00:26:19.365>where <00:26:19.565>you <00:26:19.765>have <00:26:19.965>a <00:26:20.165>static <00:26:20.365>job <00:26:20.565>and <00:26:20.765>the,

559
00:26:22.045 --> 00:26:23.405
<00:26:22.045>and <00:26:22.351>the <00:26:22.657>a <00:26:22.963>static <00:26:23.269>person,

560
00:26:23.945 --> 00:26:25.165
<00:26:23.945>and <00:26:24.219>you <00:26:24.494>find <00:26:24.768>that <00:26:25.043>match,

561
00:26:25.505 --> 00:26:27.245
<00:26:25.505>the <00:26:25.785>moment <00:26:26.065>the <00:26:26.345>description <00:26:26.625>is <00:26:26.905>written,

562
00:26:27.425 --> 00:26:29.445
<00:26:27.425>the <00:26:27.705>job <00:26:27.985>is <00:26:28.264>already <00:26:28.544>different, <00:26:28.825>right?

563
00:26:29.445 --> 00:26:34.405
<00:26:29.445>Because <00:26:29.620>we <00:26:29.794>are <00:26:29.970>in <00:26:30.145>dynamic <00:26:30.320>environments, <00:26:30.495>um, <00:26:30.669>in <00:26:30.845>dynamic

564
00:26:34.965 --> 00:26:37.245
<00:26:34.965>businesses, <00:26:35.165>and, <00:26:35.365>and <00:26:35.564>often <00:26:35.764>from <00:26:35.965>the <00:26:36.165>first <00:26:36.365>interview

565
00:26:37.265 --> 00:26:39.685
<00:26:37.265>to <00:26:37.440>the <00:26:37.615>date <00:26:37.790>where <00:26:37.965>you <00:26:38.140>start <00:26:38.315>in <00:26:38.490>the <00:26:38.665>company,

566
00:26:40.025 --> 00:26:41.685
<00:26:40.025>things <00:26:40.375>have <00:26:40.725>moved <00:26:41.075>on, <00:26:41.425>right?

567
00:26:41.825 --> 00:26:44.205
<00:26:41.825>So, <00:26:42.058>so <00:26:42.291>you <00:26:42.525>can't <00:26:42.758>look <00:26:42.991>at <00:26:43.225>this

568
00:26:44.305 --> 00:26:46.565
<00:26:44.305>as <00:26:44.655>a <00:26:45.005>static <00:26:45.355>matchmaking, <00:26:45.705>right?

569
00:26:46.675 --> 00:26:49.845
<00:26:46.675>With, <00:26:46.802>uh, <00:26:46.929>with <00:26:47.056>one, <00:26:47.184>I <00:26:47.311>don't <00:26:47.438>know, <00:26:47.565>do <00:26:47.693>you <00:26:47.820>fit <00:26:47.947>the <00:26:48.075>mold?

570
00:26:50.145 --> 00:26:51.565
<00:26:50.145>That's, <00:26:50.464>I <00:26:50.784>think, <00:26:51.103>one <00:26:51.423>approach.

571
00:26:51.705 --> 00:26:53.485
<00:26:51.705>You <00:26:51.938>really <00:26:52.171>need <00:26:52.405>to <00:26:52.638>be <00:26:52.871>more <00:26:53.105>strategic

572
00:26:53.545 --> 00:26:57.685
<00:26:53.545>and <00:26:53.720>say, <00:26:53.895>this <00:26:54.070>will, <00:26:54.245>uh, <00:26:54.420>these <00:26:54.595>are <00:26:54.770>the <00:26:54.945>challenges

573
00:26:57.685 --> 00:26:59.125
<00:26:57.685>that <00:26:57.870>we <00:26:58.055>need <00:26:58.240>to <00:26:58.425>manage <00:26:58.610>in <00:26:58.795>the <00:26:58.981>future.

574
00:27:00.155 --> 00:27:02.165
<00:27:00.155>This <00:27:00.330>is <00:27:00.504>the <00:27:00.680>vision <00:27:00.855>that <00:27:01.030>we <00:27:01.205>are <00:27:01.379>working <00:27:01.555>towards.

575
00:27:02.315 --> 00:27:05.445
<00:27:02.315>This <00:27:02.490>is <00:27:02.665>our <00:27:02.840>culture. <00:27:03.015>And <00:27:03.190>then <00:27:03.365>work <00:27:03.540>from <00:27:03.715>there

576
00:27:05.585 --> 00:27:07.565
<00:27:05.585>and <00:27:05.785>say, <00:27:05.985>who <00:27:06.185>is <00:27:06.385>fitting, <00:27:06.585>you <00:27:06.785>know, <00:27:06.985>into

577
00:27:07.565 --> 00:27:08.925
<00:27:07.565>that, <00:27:07.973>into <00:27:08.381>that <00:27:08.789>company?

578
00:27:09.105 --> 00:27:11.845
<00:27:09.105>And <00:27:09.305>then <00:27:09.505>of <00:27:09.705>course, <00:27:09.905>there's <00:27:10.105>always <00:27:10.305>a <00:27:10.505>situation

579
00:27:11.845 --> 00:27:13.765
<00:27:11.845>where <00:27:12.045>you <00:27:12.245>say, <00:27:12.445>we <00:27:12.645>have <00:27:12.845>certain <00:27:13.045>competency <00:27:13.245>gaps.

580
00:27:13.945 --> 00:27:16.565
<00:27:13.945>We, <00:27:14.178>we <00:27:14.411>need <00:27:14.645>a <00:27:14.878>specialist <00:27:15.111>in <00:27:15.345>X

581
00:27:17.025 --> 00:27:19.005
<00:27:17.025>and <00:27:17.258>we <00:27:17.491>need <00:27:17.725>somebody <00:27:17.958>who <00:27:18.191>brings <00:27:18.425>that.

582
00:27:19.105 --> 00:27:22.805
<00:27:19.105>But, <00:27:19.260>but <00:27:19.416>I <00:27:19.571>think <00:27:19.727>the <00:27:19.882>majority <00:27:20.038>is <00:27:20.193>on, <00:27:20.349>on <00:27:20.505>trying

583
00:27:22.805 --> 00:27:23.845
<00:27:22.805>to <00:27:23.117>understand, <00:27:23.429>you <00:27:23.741>know,

584
00:27:23.845 --> 00:27:25.405
<00:27:23.845>what <00:27:24.078>are <00:27:24.311>the <00:27:24.545>challenges <00:27:24.778>ahead <00:27:25.011>of <00:27:25.245>us?

585
00:27:25.595 --> 00:27:29.285
<00:27:25.595>What, <00:27:25.735>uh, <00:27:25.875>you <00:27:26.015>know, <00:27:26.155>what <00:27:26.295>kind <00:27:26.435>of <00:27:26.575>person <00:27:26.715>do <00:27:26.855>we <00:27:26.995>need

586
00:27:29.345 --> 00:27:30.445
<00:27:29.345>to <00:27:29.675>meet <00:27:30.004>those <00:27:30.335>challenges?

587
00:27:31.935 --> 00:27:33.895
<00:27:31.935>I <00:27:32.284>a <00:27:32.635>totally <00:27:32.985>different <00:27:33.335>question,

588
00:27:33.955 --> 00:27:35.495
<00:27:33.955>but <00:27:34.153>it, <00:27:34.351>it, <00:27:34.549>it, <00:27:34.746>it, <00:27:34.945>it <00:27:35.142>fits <00:27:35.341>to,

589
00:27:35.495 --> 00:27:38.735
<00:27:35.495>because <00:27:35.622>I <00:27:35.749>wanted <00:27:35.876>to <00:27:36.004>ask <00:27:36.131>you <00:27:36.258>where <00:27:36.385>we <00:27:36.513>can <00:27:36.640>take <00:27:36.767>this <00:27:36.895>first,

590
00:27:39.045 --> 00:27:40.575
<00:27:39.045>what <00:27:39.274>do <00:27:39.504>you <00:27:39.733>think <00:27:39.963>is <00:27:40.192>the <00:27:40.422>skill

591
00:27:40.795 --> 00:27:44.775
<00:27:40.795>or <00:27:40.950>the <00:27:41.106>major <00:27:41.261>skill <00:27:41.417>that <00:27:41.572>leader, <00:27:41.728>future <00:27:41.883>leaders <00:27:42.039>will <00:27:42.195>need?

592
00:27:44.875 --> 00:27:46.735
<00:27:44.875>So <00:27:45.050>probably <00:27:45.225>we <00:27:45.400>can <00:27:45.575>start <00:27:45.750>with <00:27:45.925>that <00:27:46.100>one <00:27:46.275>first,

593
00:27:46.835 --> 00:27:48.175
<00:27:46.835>if <00:27:47.007>you <00:27:47.179>have <00:27:47.351>an <00:27:47.524>answer <00:27:47.696>on <00:27:47.868>this <00:27:48.041>one.

594
00:27:49.535 --> 00:27:52.135
<00:27:49.535>I, <00:27:49.735>yeah. <00:27:49.935>I <00:27:50.135>think <00:27:50.335>in <00:27:50.535>all <00:27:50.735>the <00:27:50.935>complexity

595
00:27:52.245 --> 00:27:53.815
<00:27:52.245>that <00:27:52.711>we <00:27:53.178>have <00:27:53.645>mm-hmm.

596
00:27:54.435 --> 00:27:57.255
<00:27:54.435>You <00:27:54.635>know, <00:27:54.835>really <00:27:55.034>setting <00:27:55.235>priorities <00:27:55.435>and, <00:27:55.635>uh <00:27:55.835>mm-hmm.

597
00:27:57.635 --> 00:27:59.935
<00:27:57.635>Trying <00:27:58.101>judgment <00:27:58.568>to, <00:27:59.035>yeah.

598
00:28:00.305 --> 00:28:03.535
<00:28:00.305>Where <00:28:00.460>do <00:28:00.616>I <00:28:00.771>put <00:28:00.927>my, <00:28:01.082>you <00:28:01.238>know, <00:28:01.393>pets, <00:28:01.549>uh, <00:28:01.705>where,

599
00:28:03.985 --> 00:28:05.215
<00:28:03.985>where <00:28:04.353>do <00:28:04.723>I <00:28:05.091>focus?

600
00:28:05.635 --> 00:28:07.535
<00:28:05.635>Uh, <00:28:06.101>what <00:28:06.568>are, <00:28:07.035>um,

601
00:28:08.685 --> 00:28:10.895
<00:28:08.685>what <00:28:08.918>are <00:28:09.151>the <00:28:09.385>opportunities <00:28:09.618>in <00:28:09.851>that <00:28:10.085>environment?

602
00:28:10.965 --> 00:28:12.255
<00:28:10.965>What <00:28:11.351>are <00:28:11.739>the <00:28:12.126>challenges?

603
00:28:12.315 --> 00:28:16.295
<00:28:12.315>So <00:28:12.665>the <00:28:13.015>judgment, <00:28:13.365>decisiveness, <00:28:13.715>um,

604
00:28:17.915 --> 00:28:19.655
<00:28:17.915>prioritization <00:28:18.615>within <00:28:19.315>complex,

605
00:28:19.915 --> 00:28:23.135
<00:28:19.915>within <00:28:20.115>the <00:28:20.315>complex <00:28:20.514>environment, <00:28:20.715>I <00:28:20.915>think <00:28:21.115>that's, <00:28:21.315>uh,

606
00:28:23.755 --> 00:28:24.975
<00:28:23.755>that's <00:28:24.121>a <00:28:24.487>big <00:28:24.852>requirement.

607
00:28:25.035 --> 00:28:28.135
<00:28:25.035>Mm-hmm. <00:28:25.190>And <00:28:25.346>with <00:28:25.501>that <00:28:25.657>also, <00:28:25.812>you <00:28:25.968>know, <00:28:26.123>charging <00:28:26.279>the <00:28:26.435>people,

608
00:28:28.235 --> 00:28:32.135
<00:28:28.235>you <00:28:28.390>know, <00:28:28.546>and, <00:28:28.701>and, <00:28:28.857>and, <00:28:29.012>uh, <00:28:29.168>understanding, <00:28:29.323>you <00:28:29.479>know, <00:28:29.635>yeah.

609
00:28:32.355 --> 00:28:36.575
<00:28:32.355>Who, <00:28:32.495>who <00:28:32.635>works <00:28:32.775>best, <00:28:32.915>um, <00:28:33.055>as <00:28:33.195>an <00:28:33.335>employee <00:28:33.475>in <00:28:33.615>that <00:28:33.755>environment.

610
00:28:37.035 --> 00:28:38.615
<00:28:37.035>Mm-hmm. <00:28:37.735>Uh, <00:28:38.435>and,

611
00:28:38.715 --> 00:28:42.295
<00:28:38.715>and <00:28:38.842>the, <00:28:38.969>the, <00:28:39.096>the <00:28:39.224>next <00:28:39.351>question <00:28:39.478>on <00:28:39.605>that <00:28:39.733>would <00:28:39.860>be, <00:28:39.987>I <00:28:40.115>mean,

612
00:28:43.075 --> 00:28:44.095
<00:28:43.075>we, <00:28:43.381>we <00:28:43.687>always, <00:28:43.993>uh,

613
00:28:44.125 --> 00:28:46.335
<00:28:44.125>sometimes <00:28:44.358>have <00:28:44.591>the <00:28:44.825>impression <00:28:45.058>we <00:28:45.291>mix <00:28:45.525>up

614
00:28:46.375 --> 00:28:47.415
<00:28:46.375>managers <00:28:46.843>and <00:28:47.311>leaders.

615
00:28:47.555 --> 00:28:50.455
<00:28:47.555>Mm-hmm. <00:28:47.710>And <00:28:47.866>for <00:28:48.021>me, <00:28:48.177>for <00:28:48.332>me, <00:28:48.488>there's <00:28:48.643>a <00:28:48.799>big <00:28:48.955>difference,

616
00:28:50.595 --> 00:28:52.295
<00:28:50.595>and <00:28:50.770>I <00:28:50.945>want <00:28:51.120>to <00:28:51.295>get <00:28:51.470>your <00:28:51.645>take <00:28:51.820>on <00:28:51.995>this.

617
00:28:52.395 --> 00:28:54.655
<00:28:52.395>Do <00:28:52.570>you <00:28:52.745>see <00:28:52.920>a <00:28:53.095>difference <00:28:53.270>between <00:28:53.445>managers <00:28:53.620>and <00:28:53.795>leaders,

618
00:28:54.875 --> 00:28:56.575
<00:28:54.875>or <00:28:55.155>is <00:28:55.435>it <00:28:55.715>the <00:28:55.995>same? <00:28:56.275>Or,

619
00:28:56.995 --> 00:29:01.055
<00:28:56.995>New <00:28:57.135>manager <00:28:57.274>for <00:28:57.415>me <00:28:57.554>has <00:28:57.695>the <00:28:57.834>connotation <00:28:57.975>of <00:28:58.114>it's, <00:28:58.254>it's, <00:28:58.395>uh,

620
00:29:01.685 --> 00:29:02.775
<00:29:01.685>procedure, <00:29:02.666>right?

621
00:29:02.775 --> 00:29:05.695
<00:29:02.775>There <00:29:02.915>are <00:29:03.055>certain <00:29:03.195>processes <00:29:03.335>you <00:29:03.475>need <00:29:03.615>to <00:29:03.755>do <00:29:03.895>the <00:29:04.035>annual <00:29:04.175>review

622
00:29:05.795 --> 00:29:08.215
<00:29:05.795>and <00:29:05.995>the <00:29:06.195>salary <00:29:06.395>review, <00:29:06.595>and <00:29:06.795>the <00:29:06.995>time <00:29:07.195>tracking

623
00:29:08.355 --> 00:29:11.815
<00:29:08.355>and <00:29:08.510>the <00:29:08.666>holiday, <00:29:08.821>uh, <00:29:08.977>uh, <00:29:09.132>requests <00:29:09.288>and <00:29:09.443>all <00:29:09.599>of <00:29:09.755>that.

624
00:29:12.035 --> 00:29:13.855
<00:29:12.035>So <00:29:12.315>that <00:29:12.595>is <00:29:12.875>for <00:29:13.155>me, <00:29:13.435>managing

625
00:29:13.995 --> 00:29:18.375
<00:29:13.995>or <00:29:14.135>as <00:29:14.274>saying, <00:29:14.415>I <00:29:14.554>don't <00:29:14.695>know, <00:29:14.834>uh, <00:29:14.975>planning <00:29:15.114>shifts, <00:29:15.254>you <00:29:15.395>know,

626
00:29:18.375 --> 00:29:20.735
<00:29:18.375>it's, <00:29:18.725>it's <00:29:19.075>more <00:29:19.425>organizational, <00:29:19.775>operational.

627
00:29:21.155 --> 00:29:24.015
<00:29:21.155>Um, <00:29:21.855>administrative <00:29:22.555>leading

628
00:29:24.795 --> 00:29:29.095
<00:29:24.795>to <00:29:24.950>me <00:29:25.106>is <00:29:25.261>really, <00:29:25.417>yeah, <00:29:25.572>as <00:29:25.728>I <00:29:25.883>said, <00:29:26.039>setting <00:29:26.195>priorities,

629
00:29:29.755 --> 00:29:32.255
<00:29:29.755>um, <00:29:29.988>getting <00:29:30.221>the <00:29:30.455>people <00:29:30.688>inspired, <00:29:30.921>you <00:29:31.155>know,

630
00:29:32.315 --> 00:29:33.455
<00:29:32.315>for <00:29:32.828>these <00:29:33.341>priorities.

631
00:29:33.845 --> 00:29:36.575
<00:29:33.845>Helping <00:29:34.045>them <00:29:34.245>develop <00:29:34.445>the <00:29:34.645>skills <00:29:34.845>that <00:29:35.045>are <00:29:35.245>needed,

632
00:29:36.795 --> 00:29:37.975
<00:29:36.795>uh, <00:29:37.149>in <00:29:37.503>the <00:29:37.857>future.

633
00:29:38.755 --> 00:29:42.085
<00:29:38.755>Um, <00:29:38.988>aligning <00:29:39.221>everybody <00:29:39.455>towards <00:29:39.688>a <00:29:39.921>common <00:29:40.155>vision,

634
00:29:42.725 --> 00:29:44.445
<00:29:42.725>a <00:29:43.191>common <00:29:43.658>goal, <00:29:44.125>um,

635
00:29:44.885 --> 00:29:47.925
<00:29:44.885>resolving <00:29:45.085>conflict <00:29:45.285>when <00:29:45.485>it <00:29:45.685>comes <00:29:45.885>out, <00:29:46.085>providing <00:29:46.285>clarity.

636
00:29:48.705 --> 00:29:51.045
<00:29:48.705>Uh, <00:29:48.938>that <00:29:49.171>is <00:29:49.405>for <00:29:49.638>me, <00:29:49.871>leading <00:29:50.105>mm-hmm.

637
00:29:51.195 --> 00:29:55.125
<00:29:51.195>Leading <00:29:51.395>that <00:29:51.595>cohesion, <00:29:51.794>um, <00:29:51.995>in <00:29:52.195>the <00:29:52.395>team. <00:29:52.595>Mm-hmm.

638
00:29:55.425 --> 00:29:59.125
<00:29:55.425>All <00:29:55.565>best <00:29:55.705>out <00:29:55.845>of <00:29:55.985>everyone. <00:29:56.125>Right. <00:29:56.264>So <00:29:56.405>that <00:29:56.544>is <00:29:56.685>leading. <00:29:56.825>Mm-hmm.

639
00:29:59.925 --> 00:30:02.765
<00:29:59.925>When <00:30:00.125>I <00:30:00.325>was <00:30:00.524>looking <00:30:00.725>up, <00:30:00.925>uh, <00:30:01.125>management <00:30:01.325>positions

640
00:30:02.785 --> 00:30:06.285
<00:30:02.785>for <00:30:02.901>myself <00:30:03.018>in <00:30:03.135>the <00:30:03.251>nineties, <00:30:03.368>I <00:30:03.485>mean, <00:30:03.601>I <00:30:03.718>think, <00:30:03.835>uh, <00:30:03.951>one <00:30:04.068>of <00:30:04.185>the,

641
00:30:06.545 --> 00:30:09.885
<00:30:06.545>one <00:30:06.672>of <00:30:06.799>the <00:30:06.926>biggest <00:30:07.054>skills <00:30:07.181>that <00:30:07.308>I <00:30:07.435>always <00:30:07.563>found <00:30:07.690>as <00:30:07.817>a <00:30:07.945>kind

642
00:30:09.885 --> 00:30:12.605
<00:30:09.885>of <00:30:10.165>a <00:30:10.445>mandatory <00:30:10.725>must <00:30:11.004>was <00:30:11.285>self-confidence.

643
00:30:12.785 --> 00:30:14.845
<00:30:12.785>Mm-hmm. <00:30:13.065>Have <00:30:13.345>we <00:30:13.625>reached <00:30:13.905>a <00:30:14.185>level

644
00:30:15.585 --> 00:30:18.725
<00:30:15.585>or <00:30:15.818>the <00:30:16.051>complexity <00:30:16.285>level <00:30:16.518>now <00:30:16.751>where <00:30:16.985>self-confidence

645
00:30:18.745 --> 00:30:20.685
<00:30:18.745>as <00:30:18.978>a <00:30:19.211>leader <00:30:19.445>could <00:30:19.678>be <00:30:19.911>hindering <00:30:20.145>already?

646
00:30:22.465 --> 00:30:25.875
<00:30:22.465>Yeah. <00:30:22.592>I <00:30:22.719>mean, <00:30:22.846>I <00:30:22.974>could <00:30:23.101>go <00:30:23.228>now <00:30:23.355>on, <00:30:23.483>on <00:30:23.610>a <00:30:23.737>tangent <00:30:23.865>about,

647
00:30:25.935 --> 00:30:28.355
<00:30:25.935>you <00:30:26.168>know, <00:30:26.401>male <00:30:26.635>leadership <00:30:26.868>and <00:30:27.101>female <00:30:27.335>leadership.

648
00:30:28.355 --> 00:30:32.635
<00:30:28.355>Yeah, <00:30:28.510>yeah. <00:30:28.666>Uh, <00:30:28.821>the <00:30:28.977>importance <00:30:29.132>of <00:30:29.288>charisma, <00:30:29.443>I <00:30:29.599>think, <00:30:29.755>um,

649
00:30:33.915 --> 00:30:38.495
<00:30:33.915>I, <00:30:34.090>I, <00:30:34.264>it <00:30:34.440>takes <00:30:34.615>certain <00:30:34.790>confidence <00:30:34.965>to <00:30:35.139>have <00:30:35.315>mm-hmm.

650
00:30:38.575 --> 00:30:40.575
<00:30:38.575>Yeah. <00:30:38.775>Of <00:30:38.975>course. <00:30:39.175>First <00:30:39.375>make <00:30:39.575>decisions, <00:30:39.775>you <00:30:39.975>know,

651
00:30:40.575 --> 00:30:42.575
<00:30:40.575>because <00:30:40.855>you <00:30:41.135>always <00:30:41.415>make <00:30:41.695>decisions <00:30:41.975>without

652
00:30:42.575 --> 00:30:43.815
<00:30:42.575>having <00:30:43.133>full <00:30:43.691>information.

653
00:30:44.085 --> 00:30:47.015
<00:30:44.085>Yeah. <00:30:44.212>So <00:30:44.339>it <00:30:44.466>does <00:30:44.594>take <00:30:44.721>a <00:30:44.848>certain <00:30:44.975>confidence <00:30:45.103>to <00:30:45.230>do <00:30:45.357>that. <00:30:45.485>Yeah.

654
00:30:47.045 --> 00:30:49.855
<00:30:47.045>There's <00:30:47.245>a <00:30:47.445>fine <00:30:47.645>line <00:30:47.845>between <00:30:48.045>confidence <00:30:48.245>and <00:30:48.445>arrogance.

655
00:30:49.995 --> 00:30:53.135
<00:30:49.995>Mm-hmm. <00:30:50.228>And <00:30:50.461>I <00:30:50.695>think <00:30:50.928>there's <00:30:51.161>an <00:30:51.395>underestimation

656
00:30:53.475 --> 00:30:55.655
<00:30:53.475>of <00:30:53.824>the <00:30:54.175>quiet <00:30:54.524>people, <00:30:54.875>right?

657
00:30:55.655 --> 00:30:59.655
<00:30:55.655>Because <00:30:55.810>we <00:30:55.966>are <00:30:56.121>so <00:30:56.277>used <00:30:56.432>to <00:30:56.588>these <00:30:56.743>charismatic, <00:30:56.899>um, <00:30:57.055>um,

658
00:31:01.185 --> 00:31:02.455
<00:31:01.185>shiny <00:31:02.328>personalities.

659
00:31:03.075 --> 00:31:04.335
<00:31:03.075>And <00:31:03.642>that's <00:31:04.209>dangerous.

660
00:31:04.355 --> 00:31:05.935
<00:31:04.355>And <00:31:04.588>I <00:31:04.821>think <00:31:05.055>the <00:31:05.288>world <00:31:05.521>is <00:31:05.755>showing

661
00:31:06.035 --> 00:31:07.455
<00:31:06.035>how <00:31:06.354>dangerous <00:31:06.674>that <00:31:06.993>is, <00:31:07.312>right?

662
00:31:07.635 --> 00:31:12.605
<00:31:07.635>So, <00:31:07.810>so <00:31:07.985>I <00:31:08.160>would <00:31:08.335>say <00:31:08.510>humility <00:31:08.685>is <00:31:08.860>as <00:31:09.035>important

663
00:31:12.985 --> 00:31:15.485
<00:31:12.985>as <00:31:13.451>as <00:31:13.918>confidence, <00:31:14.385>right?

664
00:31:15.705 --> 00:31:20.605
<00:31:15.705>So, <00:31:15.905>so <00:31:16.105>having <00:31:16.304>that, <00:31:16.504>uh, <00:31:16.705>humility, <00:31:16.905>that <00:31:17.105>understanding

665
00:31:20.755 --> 00:31:23.405
<00:31:20.755>that <00:31:20.988>you <00:31:21.221>are <00:31:21.455>not <00:31:21.688>always <00:31:21.921>right, <00:31:22.155>uh,

666
00:31:23.405 --> 00:31:26.685
<00:31:23.405>that <00:31:23.545>there <00:31:23.685>is <00:31:23.825>maybe <00:31:23.965>not <00:31:24.105>always <00:31:24.245>one <00:31:24.385>single <00:31:24.524>truth, <00:31:24.665>you <00:31:24.805>know,

667
00:31:27.345 --> 00:31:30.765
<00:31:27.345>uh, <00:31:27.520>think <00:31:27.695>the <00:31:27.870>openness <00:31:28.045>to <00:31:28.220>listen <00:31:28.395>to <00:31:28.570>other <00:31:28.745>stakeholders

668
00:31:31.145 --> 00:31:33.845
<00:31:31.145>and <00:31:31.320>willing <00:31:31.495>the <00:31:31.670>openness <00:31:31.845>to <00:31:32.020>change <00:31:32.195>your <00:31:32.370>mind <00:31:32.545>Mm.

669
00:31:34.905 --> 00:31:37.605
<00:31:34.905>Uh, <00:31:35.105>to <00:31:35.305>acknowledge <00:31:35.504>a <00:31:35.705>mistake <00:31:35.905>and, <00:31:36.105>and, <00:31:36.305>and,

670
00:31:37.605 --> 00:31:39.085
<00:31:37.605>and <00:31:37.871>change <00:31:38.137>the <00:31:38.404>course <00:31:38.670>of <00:31:38.937>action.

671
00:31:39.205 --> 00:31:40.645
<00:31:39.205>I <00:31:39.420>think <00:31:39.637>that <00:31:39.853>is <00:31:40.069>also <00:31:40.284>very <00:31:40.501>important.

672
00:31:41.265 --> 00:31:43.725
<00:31:41.265>So <00:31:41.545>when <00:31:41.825>safe <00:31:42.105>confidence <00:31:42.385>becomes <00:31:42.665>arrogance,

673
00:31:43.785 --> 00:31:45.685
<00:31:43.785>it <00:31:44.065>becomes <00:31:44.345>very <00:31:44.625>dangerous. <00:31:44.905>I <00:31:45.185>would,

674
00:31:46.075 --> 00:31:47.075
Yeah.

675
00:31:47.205 --> 00:31:50.605
<00:31:47.205>I <00:31:47.345>think <00:31:47.485>that <00:31:47.625>I <00:31:47.764>see <00:31:47.905>it <00:31:48.044>the <00:31:48.185>same <00:31:48.324>way <00:31:48.465>you, <00:31:48.605>uh,

676
00:31:50.705 --> 00:31:51.885
<00:31:50.705>as <00:31:50.881>we <00:31:51.059>are <00:31:51.235>coming <00:31:51.413>to <00:31:51.590>the <00:31:51.767>end.

677
00:31:52.045 --> 00:31:54.125
<00:31:52.045>I <00:31:52.200>mean, <00:31:52.356>the <00:31:52.511>time <00:31:52.667>is <00:31:52.822>passing <00:31:52.978>so <00:31:53.133>quickly, <00:31:53.289>it's <00:31:53.445>amazing.

678
00:31:54.505 --> 00:31:57.525
<00:31:54.505>Uh, <00:31:54.660>I <00:31:54.816>have <00:31:54.971>one <00:31:55.127>question, <00:31:55.282>which <00:31:55.438>I <00:31:55.593>would <00:31:55.749>really <00:31:55.905>love,

679
00:31:57.525 --> 00:31:58.645
<00:31:57.525>love <00:31:57.726>to <00:31:57.928>ask <00:31:58.129>you <00:31:58.331>as <00:31:58.533>well.

680
00:31:58.945 --> 00:32:01.285
<00:31:58.945>If <00:31:59.145>you <00:31:59.345>could <00:31:59.544>redesign <00:31:59.745>the <00:31:59.945>first <00:32:00.145>100 <00:32:00.345>days

681
00:32:01.825 --> 00:32:06.005
<00:32:01.825>of <00:32:01.965>any <00:32:02.105>new <00:32:02.245>HR <00:32:02.385>leader's <00:32:02.525>role, <00:32:02.665>do <00:32:02.805>you <00:32:02.945>have <00:32:03.085>a <00:32:03.225>kind

682
00:32:06.005 --> 00:32:08.765
<00:32:06.005>of <00:32:06.132>a <00:32:06.259>blueprint <00:32:06.386>with <00:32:06.514>a <00:32:06.641>three, <00:32:06.768>four <00:32:06.895>steps <00:32:07.023>that <00:32:07.150>you <00:32:07.277>would <00:32:07.405>say

683
00:32:08.765 --> 00:32:10.845
<00:32:08.765>that <00:32:08.998>is <00:32:09.231>most <00:32:09.465>important <00:32:09.698>if <00:32:09.931>you <00:32:10.165>start?

684
00:32:12.095 --> 00:32:16.715
<00:32:12.095>Um, <00:32:12.235>I <00:32:12.375>think <00:32:12.515>it <00:32:12.655>is <00:32:12.795>important <00:32:12.935>from <00:32:13.075>the <00:32:13.215>very <00:32:13.355>beginning <00:32:13.495>to,

685
00:32:17.495 --> 00:32:18.755
<00:32:17.495>to <00:32:17.778>see <00:32:18.062>the <00:32:18.345>truth, <00:32:18.629>right?

686
00:32:18.855 --> 00:32:22.515
<00:32:18.855>So <00:32:18.995>that, <00:32:19.135>uh, <00:32:19.275>that <00:32:19.415>you <00:32:19.555>don't <00:32:19.695>get <00:32:19.835>an, <00:32:19.975>an <00:32:20.115>embellished <00:32:20.255>version

687
00:32:22.855 --> 00:32:25.955
<00:32:22.855>of, <00:32:23.055>you <00:32:23.255>know, <00:32:23.455>the <00:32:23.655>company <00:32:23.855>describing <00:32:24.055>a <00:32:24.255>culture

688
00:32:26.025 --> 00:32:27.595
<00:32:26.025>that <00:32:26.305>is <00:32:26.585>in <00:32:26.865>reality, <00:32:27.145>not <00:32:27.425>there,

689
00:32:27.855 --> 00:32:30.155
<00:32:27.855>or, <00:32:28.088>you <00:32:28.321>know, <00:32:28.555>talking <00:32:28.788>more <00:32:29.021>about <00:32:29.255>the

690
00:32:30.155 --> 00:32:31.315
<00:32:30.155>vision <00:32:30.503>than <00:32:30.851>the <00:32:31.199>reality.

691
00:32:31.615 --> 00:32:36.315
<00:32:31.615>So <00:32:31.790>it's, <00:32:31.965>it's <00:32:32.140>having <00:32:32.315>that <00:32:32.490>opportunity <00:32:32.665>very <00:32:32.840>early <00:32:33.015>on

692
00:32:36.375 --> 00:32:41.085
<00:32:36.375>to <00:32:36.550>meet <00:32:36.725>as <00:32:36.900>many <00:32:37.075>stakeholders <00:32:37.250>as <00:32:37.425>possible, <00:32:37.600>um, <00:32:37.775>to,

693
00:32:41.345 --> 00:32:44.925
<00:32:41.345>to <00:32:41.472>see <00:32:41.599>the <00:32:41.726>true <00:32:41.854>picture <00:32:41.981>of <00:32:42.108>the <00:32:42.235>business, <00:32:42.363>to <00:32:42.490>also <00:32:42.617>see <00:32:42.745>the,

694
00:32:45.505 --> 00:32:47.965
<00:32:45.505>the, <00:32:45.785>the <00:32:46.065>not <00:32:46.345>so <00:32:46.625>nice <00:32:46.905>parts

695
00:32:48.515 --> 00:32:51.565
<00:32:48.515>that <00:32:48.715>helps <00:32:48.915>you <00:32:49.115>become <00:32:49.315>a <00:32:49.515>problem <00:32:49.715>solver, <00:32:49.915>right?

696
00:32:51.585 --> 00:32:53.125
<00:32:51.585>And <00:32:51.862>become <00:32:52.139>part <00:32:52.416>of <00:32:52.693>the <00:32:52.971>solution.

697
00:32:53.665 --> 00:32:55.125
<00:32:53.665>Um, <00:32:54.322>and, <00:32:54.979>uh,

698
00:32:55.305 --> 00:32:59.005
<00:32:55.305>and <00:32:55.505>not <00:32:55.705>running <00:32:55.905>off, <00:32:56.105>uh, <00:32:56.305>with <00:32:56.505>a <00:32:56.705>mandate,

699
00:32:59.235 --> 00:33:02.245
<00:32:59.235>without <00:32:59.409>verifying, <00:32:59.584>is <00:32:59.760>this <00:32:59.935>really <00:33:00.110>what <00:33:00.284>the <00:33:00.459>company <00:33:00.635>needs?

700
00:33:02.255 --> 00:33:06.005
<00:33:02.255>Right? <00:33:02.430>Um, <00:33:02.605>but <00:33:02.780>really <00:33:02.955>building <00:33:03.130>your <00:33:03.305>own <00:33:03.480>judgment <00:33:03.655>first.

701
00:33:06.145 --> 00:33:09.525
<00:33:06.145>So <00:33:06.285>I <00:33:06.425>think <00:33:06.565>that's <00:33:06.705>what <00:33:06.845>I <00:33:06.985>would <00:33:07.125>put, <00:33:07.264>um, <00:33:07.405>in <00:33:07.545>focus

702
00:33:09.665 --> 00:33:11.005
<00:33:09.665>for <00:33:09.966>the <00:33:10.268>first <00:33:10.569>100 <00:33:10.871>days.

703
00:33:11.625 --> 00:33:14.725
<00:33:11.625>Um, <00:33:11.975>knowing, <00:33:12.325>understanding <00:33:12.675>the <00:33:13.025>business,

704
00:33:14.725 --> 00:33:16.165
<00:33:14.725>understanding <00:33:15.157>the <00:33:15.589>people, <00:33:16.021>meeting

705
00:33:16.225 --> 00:33:17.445
<00:33:16.225>the <00:33:16.499>people <00:33:16.774>and <00:33:17.048>the <00:33:17.322>stakeholders.

706
00:33:18.165 --> 00:33:19.885
<00:33:18.165>I <00:33:18.398>think <00:33:18.631>that's <00:33:18.865>essential <00:33:19.098>at <00:33:19.331>the <00:33:19.565>beginning.

707
00:33:20.105 --> 00:33:23.085
<00:33:20.105>And <00:33:20.232>if <00:33:20.359>you <00:33:20.486>don't <00:33:20.614>do <00:33:20.741>that <00:33:20.868>early <00:33:20.995>on, <00:33:21.123>you <00:33:21.250>are <00:33:21.377>running <00:33:21.505>off,

708
00:33:23.265 --> 00:33:24.525
<00:33:23.265>uh, <00:33:23.548>at <00:33:23.832>the <00:33:24.115>wrong <00:33:24.399>direction.

709
00:33:25.475 --> 00:33:26.475
Yeah.

710
00:33:27.815 --> 00:33:28.915
<00:33:27.815>Uh, <00:33:28.013>we <00:33:28.211>come <00:33:28.409>to <00:33:28.607>the <00:33:28.805>end,

711
00:33:28.935 --> 00:33:30.315
<00:33:28.935>and <00:33:29.245>what <00:33:29.556>I <00:33:29.866>normally <00:33:30.177>do

712
00:33:30.315 --> 00:33:33.315
<00:33:30.315>with <00:33:30.455>my <00:33:30.595>guests <00:33:30.735>is <00:33:30.875>I <00:33:31.015>play <00:33:31.155>a <00:33:31.295>short <00:33:31.435>round <00:33:31.575>of <00:33:31.715>distance

713
00:33:33.315 --> 00:33:34.795
<00:33:33.315>that <00:33:33.759>this <00:33:34.203>or <00:33:34.647>that.

714
00:33:34.915 --> 00:33:36.715
<00:33:34.915>So <00:33:35.090>I <00:33:35.264>would <00:33:35.440>really <00:33:35.615>ask <00:33:35.790>you <00:33:35.965>to <00:33:36.139>quickly <00:33:36.315>answer

715
00:33:36.715 --> 00:33:37.835
<00:33:36.715>without <00:33:37.051>thinking <00:33:37.387>too <00:33:37.723>much.

716
00:33:37.835 --> 00:33:41.875
<00:33:37.835>Yeah. <00:33:38.035>Uh, <00:33:38.235>so <00:33:38.435>let's <00:33:38.635>start <00:33:38.835>with <00:33:39.035>that <00:33:39.235>one.

717
00:33:42.195 --> 00:33:44.995
<00:33:42.195>Structured <00:33:42.544>clarity <00:33:42.895>or <00:33:43.245>agile <00:33:43.595>experimentation,

718
00:33:47.375 --> 00:33:48.375
Experimentation.

719
00:33:48.735 --> 00:33:49.735
Mm-hmm.

720
00:33:50.265 --> 00:33:52.475
<00:33:50.265>Cost <00:33:50.615>efficiency <00:33:50.965>or <00:33:51.315>growth <00:33:51.665>investment.

721
00:33:54.745 --> 00:33:55.965
<00:33:54.745>Uh, <00:33:55.293>profitable <00:33:55.842>growth,

722
00:33:59.305 --> 00:34:01.485
<00:33:59.305>Uh, <00:33:59.585>people <00:33:59.865>first <00:34:00.145>or <00:34:00.425>business <00:34:00.705>first.

723
00:34:02.665 --> 00:34:05.725
<00:34:02.665>Um, <00:34:02.840>I <00:34:03.014>think <00:34:03.190>that <00:34:03.365>should <00:34:03.540>never <00:34:03.715>be <00:34:03.889>a <00:34:04.065>contradiction.

724
00:34:05.945 --> 00:34:08.045
<00:34:05.945>Uh, <00:34:06.145>so <00:34:06.345>if, <00:34:06.544>if <00:34:06.745>that <00:34:06.945>becomes <00:34:07.145>a <00:34:07.345>contradiction,

725
00:34:08.045 --> 00:34:10.005
<00:34:08.045>you <00:34:08.200>have <00:34:08.356>made <00:34:08.511>mistakes <00:34:08.667>in <00:34:08.822>the <00:34:08.978>past, <00:34:09.133>I <00:34:09.289>would <00:34:09.445>say

726
00:34:10.705 --> 00:34:11.885
<00:34:10.705>so, <00:34:11.235>uh, <00:34:11.767>yeah.

727
00:34:11.885 --> 00:34:14.005
<00:34:11.885>It's <00:34:12.060>the <00:34:12.235>people <00:34:12.410>who <00:34:12.585>make <00:34:12.760>the <00:34:12.935>business, <00:34:13.110>you <00:34:13.285>know?

728
00:34:14.065 --> 00:34:18.725
<00:34:14.065>Um, <00:34:14.240>but, <00:34:14.415>but <00:34:14.590>you <00:34:14.764>serve <00:34:14.940>the <00:34:15.115>business <00:34:15.290>ultimately, <00:34:15.465>right?

729
00:34:18.745 --> 00:34:21.125
<00:34:18.745>So <00:34:18.920>everything <00:34:19.094>you <00:34:19.270>do <00:34:19.444>has <00:34:19.620>to <00:34:19.795>make <00:34:19.969>business <00:34:20.145>sense.

730
00:34:21.225 --> 00:34:22.485
<00:34:21.225>And <00:34:21.413>if <00:34:21.603>you <00:34:21.792>have <00:34:21.981>the <00:34:22.170>right <00:34:22.359>people,

731
00:34:23.395 --> 00:34:25.045
<00:34:23.395>then <00:34:23.628>it's <00:34:23.861>also <00:34:24.094>right <00:34:24.328>for <00:34:24.561>the <00:34:24.795>people

732
00:34:25.835 --> 00:34:28.645
<00:34:25.835>Hypergrowth <00:34:26.115>pressure <00:34:26.395>or <00:34:26.675>large <00:34:26.955>scale <00:34:27.235>governance,

733
00:34:30.795 --> 00:34:35.375
<00:34:30.795>Um, <00:34:30.995>for <00:34:31.195>me <00:34:31.395>personally, <00:34:31.595>I, <00:34:31.795>I <00:34:31.995>enjoy <00:34:32.195>the,

734
00:34:35.515 --> 00:34:37.775
<00:34:35.514>the <00:34:35.864>hyper <00:34:36.214>growth <00:34:36.565>pressure <00:34:36.915>more.

735
00:34:38.525 --> 00:34:40.855
<00:34:38.525>Okey <00:34:38.680>dokey. <00:34:38.836>And <00:34:38.991>the <00:34:39.147>last <00:34:39.302>one <00:34:39.458>is, <00:34:39.613>I <00:34:39.769>think, <00:34:39.925>uh,

736
00:34:40.885 --> 00:34:42.935
<00:34:40.885>it's <00:34:41.085>very <00:34:41.285>diff <00:34:41.485>it's <00:34:41.685>very <00:34:41.885>difficult <00:34:42.085>to <00:34:42.285>answer

737
00:34:42.935 --> 00:34:44.175
<00:34:42.935>because <00:34:43.158>you <00:34:43.381>gave <00:34:43.604>already <00:34:43.827>an <00:34:44.051>answer,

738
00:34:44.175 --> 00:34:45.695
<00:34:44.175>but <00:34:44.517>it's <00:34:44.859>cappuccino <00:34:45.201>or <00:34:45.543>Americano,

739
00:34:46.925 --> 00:34:47.925
<00:34:46.925>It's <00:34:47.375>also <00:34:47.825>both.

740
00:34:49.075 --> 00:34:51.215
<00:34:49.074>It <00:34:49.274>don't <00:34:49.475>wanna <00:34:49.674>come <00:34:49.875>to <00:34:50.074>the <00:34:50.274>I <00:34:50.475>or,

741
00:34:51.845 --> 00:34:54.495
<00:34:51.844>Yeah, <00:34:52.020>I <00:34:52.194>did <00:34:52.370>a <00:34:52.544>really <00:34:52.719>nice <00:34:52.895>episode <00:34:53.069>with, <00:34:53.245>with,

742
00:34:54.525 --> 00:34:58.135
<00:34:54.525>with <00:34:54.665>the <00:34:54.805>CHRO <00:34:54.945>and <00:34:55.085>member <00:34:55.225>of <00:34:55.365>the <00:34:55.505>board <00:34:55.645>of <00:34:55.785>Daimler <00:34:55.925>Trucks,

743
00:34:58.195 --> 00:35:01.135
<00:34:58.195>and, <00:34:58.322>and <00:34:58.449>we <00:34:58.576>were <00:34:58.704>talking <00:34:58.831>about <00:34:58.958>do <00:34:59.085>we <00:34:59.213>need, <00:34:59.340>do <00:34:59.467>we <00:34:59.595>need

744
00:35:01.135 --> 00:35:04.495
<00:35:01.135>to <00:35:01.262>get <00:35:01.389>rid <00:35:01.516>of <00:35:01.644>the <00:35:01.771>OR <00:35:01.898>and <00:35:02.025>put <00:35:02.153>an <00:35:02.280>end <00:35:02.407>in <00:35:02.535>between?

745
00:35:04.755 --> 00:35:06.855
<00:35:04.755>So <00:35:04.988>I <00:35:05.221>think <00:35:05.455>that's <00:35:05.688>probably <00:35:05.921>a <00:35:06.155>really,

746
00:35:06.855 --> 00:35:07.975
<00:35:06.855>really <00:35:07.359>interesting <00:35:07.863>thing.

747
00:35:08.035 --> 00:35:11.335
<00:35:08.035>So <00:35:08.190>it <00:35:08.346>could, <00:35:08.501>I <00:35:08.657>think <00:35:08.812>there's <00:35:08.968>space <00:35:09.123>for <00:35:09.279>many <00:35:09.435>times.

748
00:35:11.335 --> 00:35:13.935
<00:35:11.335>There's <00:35:11.510>space <00:35:11.685>for <00:35:11.860>an <00:35:12.035>end <00:35:12.210>instead <00:35:12.385>of <00:35:12.560>an <00:35:12.735>OR.

749
00:35:13.955 --> 00:35:16.575
<00:35:13.955>And <00:35:14.095>that <00:35:14.235>would <00:35:14.375>make <00:35:14.515>our <00:35:14.654>world <00:35:14.795>probably <00:35:14.935>a <00:35:15.075>much <00:35:15.215>better <00:35:15.355>place.

750
00:35:16.795 --> 00:35:18.375
<00:35:16.795>And <00:35:17.028>I <00:35:17.261>think <00:35:17.495>that <00:35:17.728>is <00:35:17.961>the <00:35:18.195>role

751
00:35:18.395 --> 00:35:20.015
<00:35:18.395>of <00:35:18.861>responsible <00:35:19.328>leaders, <00:35:19.795>right?

752
00:35:20.015 --> 00:35:24.095
<00:35:20.015>Yeah. <00:35:20.154>To <00:35:20.295>see <00:35:20.435>is <00:35:20.575>exactly <00:35:20.714>my <00:35:20.855>role, <00:35:20.995>to <00:35:21.134>find <00:35:21.275>the <00:35:21.415>spot

753
00:35:24.095 --> 00:35:26.295
<00:35:24.095>where <00:35:24.270>a <00:35:24.444>solution <00:35:24.620>needs <00:35:24.794>the <00:35:24.970>needs <00:35:25.145>of <00:35:25.319>the <00:35:25.495>people

754
00:35:26.555 --> 00:35:27.735
<00:35:26.555>and <00:35:26.909>the <00:35:27.263>business, <00:35:27.617>right?

755
00:35:28.035 --> 00:35:30.775
<00:35:28.035>So <00:35:28.315>that's <00:35:28.595>exactly <00:35:28.875>my, <00:35:29.154>my <00:35:29.435>and,

756
00:35:30.795 --> 00:35:33.655
<00:35:30.795>and <00:35:31.028>leadership <00:35:31.261>is <00:35:31.495>about <00:35:31.728>managing <00:35:31.961>paradoxes, <00:35:32.195>right?

757
00:35:33.795 --> 00:35:36.655
<00:35:33.795>So <00:35:33.995>managing <00:35:34.195>growth <00:35:34.395>as <00:35:34.595>well <00:35:34.795>as <00:35:34.995>cost <00:35:35.195>efficiency

758
00:35:36.835 --> 00:35:39.885
<00:35:36.835>and <00:35:37.035>managing <00:35:37.235>innovation <00:35:37.435>as <00:35:37.635>well <00:35:37.835>as <00:35:38.035>ongoing <00:35:38.235>operations.

759
00:35:40.355 --> 00:35:43.805
<00:35:40.355>It's <00:35:40.495>all <00:35:40.635>about <00:35:40.775>paradoxes, <00:35:40.915>so <00:35:41.055>it's, <00:35:41.195>it <00:35:41.335>should <00:35:41.475>be <00:35:41.615>more. <00:35:41.755>Yeah.

760
00:35:43.805 --> 00:35:46.165
<00:35:43.805>Yeah. <00:35:44.504>Really, <00:35:45.205>really.

761
00:35:46.785 --> 00:35:49.845
<00:35:46.785>And <00:35:46.924>the <00:35:47.065>last <00:35:47.205>one, <00:35:47.345>because <00:35:47.484>we <00:35:47.625>are <00:35:47.765>coming <00:35:47.904>close <00:35:48.045>to <00:35:48.185>Christmas,

762
00:35:49.985 --> 00:35:53.125
<00:35:49.985>and <00:35:50.101>if <00:35:50.218>I, <00:35:50.335>in <00:35:50.451>this <00:35:50.568>is <00:35:50.685>magic <00:35:50.801>lamp <00:35:50.918>would <00:35:51.035>show <00:35:51.151>up <00:35:51.268>you <00:35:51.385>now,

763
00:35:53.225 --> 00:35:56.085
<00:35:53.225>and, <00:35:53.458>uh, <00:35:53.691>you <00:35:53.924>could <00:35:54.158>of <00:35:54.391>ask <00:35:54.625>you

764
00:35:56.085 --> 00:35:57.445
<00:35:56.085>for <00:35:56.289>one <00:35:56.493>wish, <00:35:56.697>what <00:35:56.901>would <00:35:57.105>it <00:35:57.309>be?

765
00:35:57.625 --> 00:35:58.805
<00:35:57.625>It <00:35:57.837>could <00:35:58.049>be <00:35:58.262>a <00:35:58.474>private <00:35:58.687>one,

766
00:35:58.805 --> 00:36:01.485
<00:35:58.805>or <00:35:58.944>it <00:35:59.085>could <00:35:59.225>be <00:35:59.365>a <00:35:59.504>business <00:35:59.645>related <00:35:59.785>one. <00:35:59.924>Whatever <00:36:00.065>you <00:36:00.205>pick.

767
00:36:02.305 --> 00:36:06.325
<00:36:02.305>Uh, <00:36:02.421>I, <00:36:02.538>oh, <00:36:02.654>I, <00:36:02.771>I <00:36:02.888>had <00:36:03.004>a <00:36:03.121>big <00:36:03.238>wish, <00:36:03.355>you <00:36:03.471>know, <00:36:03.588>like, <00:36:03.705>uh,

768
00:36:06.515 --> 00:36:08.445
<00:36:06.515>that <00:36:06.748>the <00:36:06.981>world <00:36:07.214>goes <00:36:07.448>into <00:36:07.681>a <00:36:07.915>direction

769
00:36:08.445 --> 00:36:10.165
<00:36:08.445>of <00:36:08.795>more <00:36:09.145>peace, <00:36:09.495>uh <00:36:09.845>mm-hmm.

770
00:36:11.225 --> 00:36:15.525
<00:36:11.225>Uh, <00:36:11.458>and, <00:36:11.691>and <00:36:11.924>uh, <00:36:12.158>like <00:36:12.391>geopolitical <00:36:12.625>stability.

771
00:36:15.705 --> 00:36:17.045
<00:36:15.705>So <00:36:15.906>that <00:36:16.107>would <00:36:16.308>be <00:36:16.509>my <00:36:16.710>biggest <00:36:16.911>wish.

772
00:36:17.105 --> 00:36:19.325
<00:36:17.105>Mm-hmm. <00:36:17.571>Very <00:36:18.038>cool. <00:36:18.505>Alright.

773
00:36:19.345 --> 00:36:20.885
<00:36:19.345>It <00:36:19.542>was <00:36:19.741>a <00:36:19.939>pleasure <00:36:20.137>having <00:36:20.335>you <00:36:20.533>as <00:36:20.731>guest.

774
00:36:20.895 --> 00:36:23.085
<00:36:20.895>Thank <00:36:21.095>you <00:36:21.295>so <00:36:21.495>much <00:36:21.695>for <00:36:21.895>taking <00:36:22.095>your <00:36:22.295>time.

775
00:36:23.095 --> 00:36:24.845
<00:36:23.095>Thank <00:36:23.294>you <00:36:23.495>so <00:36:23.694>much <00:36:23.895>for <00:36:24.095>sharing <00:36:24.294>a <00:36:24.495>massive

776
00:36:24.975 --> 00:36:26.645
<00:36:24.975>experience, <00:36:25.325>uh, <00:36:25.674>with <00:36:26.025>the <00:36:26.375>audience.

777
00:36:26.805 --> 00:36:29.365
<00:36:26.805>I <00:36:26.944>really <00:36:27.085>enjoyed <00:36:27.225>this <00:36:27.365>conversation. <00:36:27.504>I <00:36:27.645>hope <00:36:27.785>you <00:36:27.924>did <00:36:28.065>as <00:36:28.205>well.

778
00:36:29.715 --> 00:36:32.445
<00:36:29.715>Yeah. <00:36:29.870>So <00:36:30.026>the <00:36:30.181>audience, <00:36:30.337>I <00:36:30.492>hope <00:36:30.648>you <00:36:30.803>do <00:36:30.959>the <00:36:31.115>same.

779
00:36:32.625 --> 00:36:34.805
<00:36:32.625>So <00:36:32.780>I, <00:36:32.936>uh, <00:36:33.091>it <00:36:33.247>was <00:36:33.402>really <00:36:33.558>great <00:36:33.713>fun <00:36:33.869>for <00:36:34.025>me.

780
00:36:34.905 --> 00:36:37.605
<00:36:34.905>So <00:36:35.060>thank <00:36:35.216>you <00:36:35.371>so <00:36:35.527>much <00:36:35.682>for <00:36:35.838>your <00:36:35.993>time <00:36:36.149>and <00:36:36.305>goodbye.

781
00:36:38.215 --> 00:36:43.055
<00:36:38.215>Thank <00:36:38.681>you. <00:36:39.148>Thank <00:36:39.615>you

782
00:36:43.055 --> 00:36:44.655
<00:36:43.055>for <00:36:43.335>watching <00:36:43.615>Cap <00:36:43.895>Gino <00:36:44.174>with <00:36:44.455>hr.

783
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