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382
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<00:17:02.055>So, <00:17:02.194>uh, <00:17:02.334>everyone, <00:17:02.474>everyone <00:17:02.614>is <00:17:02.755>quite <00:17:02.895>on <00:17:03.035>board <00:17:03.175>with <00:17:03.314>that, <00:17:03.454>that

383
00:17:06.155 --> 00:17:07.435
<00:17:06.155>that's <00:17:06.539>a <00:17:06.923>lucky <00:17:07.307>coincidence.

384
00:17:07.515 --> 00:17:09.755
<00:17:07.515>I <00:17:07.670>can <00:17:07.826>imagine <00:17:07.981>maybe <00:17:08.137>if <00:17:08.292>this <00:17:08.448>is <00:17:08.603>not <00:17:08.759>a <00:17:08.915>practice,

385
00:17:09.755 --> 00:17:12.275
<00:17:09.755>it <00:17:09.895>might <00:17:10.035>maybe <00:17:10.175>a <00:17:10.315>little <00:17:10.455>bit <00:17:10.595>more <00:17:10.735>difficult <00:17:10.875>to <00:17:11.015>make <00:17:11.155>sure

386
00:17:12.275 --> 00:17:13.515
<00:17:12.275>that <00:17:12.554>everyone <00:17:12.833>gets <00:17:13.112>behind <00:17:13.391>it.

387
00:17:14.055 --> 00:17:15.995
<00:17:14.055>Um, <00:17:15.455>yeah.

388
00:17:16.175 --> 00:17:18.955
<00:17:16.175>So <00:17:16.330>that <00:17:16.486>is <00:17:16.641>maybe <00:17:16.797>good <00:17:16.952>to <00:17:17.108>put <00:17:17.263>as <00:17:17.419>a <00:17:17.575>disclaimer,

389
00:17:18.955 --> 00:17:21.395
<00:17:18.954>so <00:17:19.054>this <00:17:19.155>is <00:17:19.254>a <00:17:19.355>bit <00:17:19.454>what <00:17:19.554>we <00:17:19.655>know, <00:17:19.754>so <00:17:19.855>this <00:17:19.954>is <00:17:20.054>how <00:17:20.155>we <00:17:20.254>do <00:17:20.355>it,

390
00:17:21.735 --> 00:17:23.955
<00:17:21.734>but <00:17:21.968>how <00:17:22.201>we <00:17:22.435>make <00:17:22.668>sure <00:17:22.901>that, <00:17:23.135>um,

391
00:17:25.955 --> 00:17:27.235
<00:17:25.954>everyone <00:17:26.339>stays <00:17:26.723>behind <00:17:27.107>it.

392
00:17:27.535 --> 00:17:30.435
<00:17:27.535>Um, <00:17:27.815>hiring <00:17:28.095>managers <00:17:28.375>usually <00:17:28.655>are <00:17:28.935>part

393
00:17:30.435 --> 00:17:34.995
<00:17:30.435>of <00:17:30.610>the <00:17:30.784>skills <00:17:30.960>based <00:17:31.135>interviewing <00:17:31.310>team, <00:17:31.485>are <00:17:31.659>mainly <00:17:31.835>part

394
00:17:34.995 --> 00:17:36.515
<00:17:34.995>of <00:17:35.337>the <00:17:35.679>values <00:17:36.021>based <00:17:36.363>interviewing.

395
00:17:36.535 --> 00:17:39.955
<00:17:36.535>So <00:17:36.690>split <00:17:36.846>there. <00:17:37.001>HR <00:17:37.157>is <00:17:37.312>almost <00:17:37.468>never <00:17:37.623>part <00:17:37.779>of <00:17:37.935>it.

396
00:17:40.015 --> 00:17:43.915
<00:17:40.015>So <00:17:40.190>me, <00:17:40.365>recruiter <00:17:40.540>hr, <00:17:40.715>I'm <00:17:40.890>at <00:17:41.065>the <00:17:41.240>very <00:17:41.415>beginning.

397
00:17:44.315 --> 00:17:48.075
<00:17:44.315>I, <00:17:44.515>I <00:17:44.715>managed <00:17:44.915>the <00:17:45.115>early <00:17:45.315>funnel, <00:17:45.515>um, <00:17:45.715>solution,

398
00:17:48.295 --> 00:17:50.725
<00:17:48.295>and <00:17:48.495>then <00:17:48.695>the <00:17:48.895>team <00:17:49.095>is <00:17:49.295>quite <00:17:49.495>actively <00:17:49.695>involved

399
00:17:50.905 --> 00:17:52.205
<00:17:50.905>in <00:17:51.295>the <00:17:51.685>other <00:17:52.074>stages.

400
00:17:52.905 --> 00:17:54.925
<00:17:52.905>Uh, <00:17:53.254>and <00:17:53.605>yeah, <00:17:53.955>the <00:17:54.305>training

401
00:17:54.945 --> 00:17:56.885
<00:17:54.945>and <00:17:55.120>making <00:17:55.294>sure <00:17:55.470>that <00:17:55.645>we <00:17:55.820>are <00:17:55.995>all <00:17:56.169>aligned <00:17:56.345>on

402
00:17:56.885 --> 00:17:58.565
<00:17:56.885>what <00:17:57.060>we're <00:17:57.235>looking <00:17:57.410>for, <00:17:57.585>that <00:17:57.760>is <00:17:57.935>really <00:17:58.110>with <00:17:58.285>me.

403
00:17:58.825 --> 00:18:00.685
<00:17:58.825>But <00:17:59.058>the <00:17:59.291>team, <00:17:59.525>very <00:17:59.758>active <00:17:59.991>role <00:18:00.225>there.

404
00:18:01.065 --> 00:18:04.685
<00:18:01.065>Um, <00:18:01.220>and <00:18:01.376>they <00:18:01.531>are <00:18:01.687>also <00:18:01.842>being <00:18:01.998>empowered <00:18:02.153>to, <00:18:02.309>uh, <00:18:02.465>yeah.

405
00:18:04.745 --> 00:18:06.365
<00:18:04.745>To <00:18:05.094>share <00:18:05.445>what <00:18:05.794>it <00:18:06.145>means

406
00:18:06.665 --> 00:18:09.725
<00:18:06.665>and <00:18:06.805>then <00:18:06.945>also <00:18:07.085>make <00:18:07.225>sure, <00:18:07.365>okay, <00:18:07.504>we <00:18:07.645>hire <00:18:07.784>people <00:18:07.925>that <00:18:08.065>yeah.

407
00:18:09.725 --> 00:18:13.405
<00:18:09.725>Really <00:18:09.880>will <00:18:10.036>be <00:18:10.191>a <00:18:10.347>great <00:18:10.502>match, <00:18:10.658>either <00:18:10.813>both <00:18:10.969>on <00:18:11.125>performance,

408
00:18:13.705 --> 00:18:18.015
<00:18:13.705>but <00:18:13.821>also, <00:18:13.938>you <00:18:14.054>know, <00:18:14.171>but <00:18:14.288>yeah, <00:18:14.405>this <00:18:14.521>will <00:18:14.638>also <00:18:14.754>work <00:18:14.871>in <00:18:14.988>the <00:18:15.105>day

409
00:18:18.015 --> 00:18:20.975
<00:18:18.015>to <00:18:18.215>day, <00:18:18.415>uh, <00:18:18.615>in <00:18:18.815>the <00:18:19.015>day <00:18:19.215>to <00:18:19.415>day

410
00:18:21.735 --> 00:18:23.415
<00:18:21.735>communicating, <00:18:22.014>collaborating, <00:18:22.294>things <00:18:22.574>like <00:18:22.854>that. <00:18:23.135>Yeah.

411
00:18:23.755 --> 00:18:27.695
<00:18:23.755>How, <00:18:23.882>how <00:18:24.009>is, <00:18:24.136>how <00:18:24.264>is <00:18:24.391>waiting, <00:18:24.518>uh, <00:18:24.645>uh, <00:18:24.773>at <00:18:24.900>polar <00:18:25.027>steps, <00:18:25.155>uh,

412
00:18:27.755 --> 00:18:30.415
<00:18:27.755>if <00:18:27.882>it <00:18:28.009>comes <00:18:28.136>to <00:18:28.264>a <00:18:28.391>kind <00:18:28.518>of, <00:18:28.645>uh, <00:18:28.773>who, <00:18:28.900>who <00:18:29.027>has <00:18:29.155>more,

413
00:18:30.435 --> 00:18:32.815
<00:18:30.435>who <00:18:30.610>has <00:18:30.784>more, <00:18:30.960>more, <00:18:31.135>more <00:18:31.310>weight <00:18:31.485>in <00:18:31.659>his <00:18:31.835>voting?

414
00:18:33.515 --> 00:18:35.615
<00:18:33.515>Is <00:18:33.655>it <00:18:33.795>the <00:18:33.935>hiring <00:18:34.075>manager <00:18:34.215>or <00:18:34.355>is <00:18:34.495>it <00:18:34.635>then <00:18:34.775>the <00:18:34.915>team?

415
00:18:35.615 --> 00:18:38.135
<00:18:35.615>Because <00:18:35.755>if <00:18:35.895>somebody <00:18:36.035>tells <00:18:36.175>you, <00:18:36.315>okay, <00:18:36.455>it's <00:18:36.595>not <00:18:36.735>the <00:18:36.875>best <00:18:37.015>one,

416
00:18:38.135 --> 00:18:40.745
<00:18:38.135>but <00:18:38.368>he's <00:18:38.601>so <00:18:38.835>nice, <00:18:39.068>is <00:18:39.301>it <00:18:39.535>be,

417
00:18:40.965 --> 00:18:42.265
<00:18:40.965>is <00:18:41.132>it <00:18:41.299>better <00:18:41.466>than <00:18:41.633>the <00:18:41.800>other <00:18:41.967>way <00:18:42.135>around?

418
00:18:42.685 --> 00:18:43.945
<00:18:42.685>Or <00:18:43.062>did <00:18:43.441>it <00:18:43.819>happen,

419
00:18:44.205 --> 00:18:46.585
<00:18:44.205>or <00:18:44.360>who <00:18:44.516>is, <00:18:44.671>who <00:18:44.827>is <00:18:44.982>taking <00:18:45.138>the <00:18:45.293>final <00:18:45.449>decision? <00:18:45.605>Then

420
00:18:47.365 --> 00:18:49.225
<00:18:47.365>Hiring <00:18:47.645>managers <00:18:47.925>taking <00:18:48.205>the <00:18:48.485>final <00:18:48.765>decision.

421
00:18:49.405 --> 00:18:52.665
<00:18:49.405>But <00:18:49.580>if <00:18:49.754>there's <00:18:49.930>objections <00:18:50.105>from <00:18:50.280>the <00:18:50.455>team, <00:18:50.629>then <00:18:50.805>mm-hmm.

422
00:18:53.625 --> 00:18:54.745
<00:18:53.625>I <00:18:53.793>think <00:18:53.961>we <00:18:54.129>will <00:18:54.297>be <00:18:54.465>very <00:18:54.632>careful.

423
00:18:54.965 --> 00:18:57.185
<00:18:54.965>Uh, <00:18:55.198>they <00:18:55.431>will <00:18:55.665>be <00:18:55.898>listen <00:18:56.131>to <00:18:56.365>mm-hmm.

424
00:18:57.265 --> 00:18:58.825
<00:18:57.265>The <00:18:57.440>other <00:18:57.615>way <00:18:57.790>around <00:18:57.965>if <00:18:58.140>they <00:18:58.315>really <00:18:58.490>like <00:18:58.665>someone,

425
00:18:58.885 --> 00:19:01.345
<00:18:58.885>but <00:18:59.012>if <00:18:59.139>the <00:18:59.266>skills <00:18:59.394>aren't <00:18:59.521>there, <00:18:59.648>I <00:18:59.775>think <00:18:59.903>the <00:19:00.030>team <00:19:00.157>will <00:19:00.285>also,

426
00:19:01.925 --> 00:19:03.905
<00:19:01.925>um, <00:19:02.274>get <00:19:02.625>behind <00:19:02.975>a <00:19:03.325>decision

427
00:19:03.905 --> 00:19:05.585
<00:19:03.905>that <00:19:04.138>we <00:19:04.371>might <00:19:04.605>not <00:19:04.838>wanna <00:19:05.071>hire <00:19:05.305>someone.

428
00:19:06.015 --> 00:19:09.265
<00:19:06.015>Yeah. <00:19:06.170>Because <00:19:06.326>if, <00:19:06.481>if <00:19:06.637>someone <00:19:06.792>is <00:19:06.948>maybe <00:19:07.103>not <00:19:07.259>fully <00:19:07.415>skilled,

429
00:19:09.555 --> 00:19:10.785
<00:19:09.555>let's <00:19:10.108>say, <00:19:10.662>um,

430
00:19:11.005 --> 00:19:13.505
<00:19:11.005>and <00:19:11.160>the <00:19:11.316>team <00:19:11.471>doesn't <00:19:11.627>really <00:19:11.782>have <00:19:11.938>the <00:19:12.093>capacity <00:19:12.249>to <00:19:12.405>to,

431
00:19:13.565 --> 00:19:16.625
<00:19:13.565>to <00:19:13.740>onboard <00:19:13.915>and <00:19:14.090>to <00:19:14.265>coach <00:19:14.440>and <00:19:14.615>guide <00:19:14.790>someone <00:19:14.965>mm-hmm.

432
00:19:16.705 --> 00:19:18.745
<00:19:16.705>They <00:19:16.879>know <00:19:17.054>what <00:19:17.230>type <00:19:17.405>of <00:19:17.580>implications <00:19:17.754>they <00:19:17.929>will <00:19:18.105>have

433
00:19:18.745 --> 00:19:19.905
<00:19:18.745>on <00:19:18.918>everyone <00:19:19.092>in <00:19:19.266>the <00:19:19.441>team <00:19:19.615>as <00:19:19.789>well.

434
00:19:19.975 --> 00:19:23.305
<00:19:19.975>Yeah. <00:19:20.115>Um, <00:19:20.254>so <00:19:20.395>if <00:19:20.534>that <00:19:20.675>is <00:19:20.814>the <00:19:20.955>case, <00:19:21.094>well <00:19:21.235>they, <00:19:21.375>they,

435
00:19:23.305 --> 00:19:25.825
<00:19:23.305>they <00:19:23.480>probably <00:19:23.655>will <00:19:23.830>not <00:19:24.005>end <00:19:24.180>up <00:19:24.355>in <00:19:24.530>the <00:19:24.705>mm-hmm.

436
00:19:25.825 --> 00:19:28.225
<00:19:25.825>In <00:19:26.105>final <00:19:26.385>stages, <00:19:26.665>uh, <00:19:26.945>anyway, <00:19:27.225>uh,

437
00:19:28.285 --> 00:19:31.825
<00:19:28.285>but <00:19:28.425>it'll <00:19:28.565>be, <00:19:28.705>um, <00:19:28.845>like <00:19:28.985>a <00:19:29.125>question <00:19:29.265>mark <00:19:29.405>then, <00:19:29.545>uh, <00:19:29.685>yeah.

438
00:19:32.845 --> 00:19:34.545
<00:19:32.845>We, <00:19:33.125>we, <00:19:33.405>we, <00:19:33.685>we <00:19:33.965>have <00:19:34.245>learned,

439
00:19:34.545 --> 00:19:36.585
<00:19:34.545>because <00:19:34.778>we <00:19:35.011>sometimes <00:19:35.245>have <00:19:35.478>tried <00:19:35.711>like, <00:19:35.945>okay,

440
00:19:36.585 --> 00:19:38.025
<00:19:36.585>maybe <00:19:36.909>we <00:19:37.233>should <00:19:37.557>try <00:19:37.881>Yeah.

441
00:19:38.025 --> 00:19:40.025
<00:19:38.025>Uh, <00:19:38.258>best <00:19:38.491>policies, <00:19:38.725>if <00:19:38.958>there's <00:19:39.191>really <00:19:39.425>doubt.

442
00:19:40.165 --> 00:19:44.735
<00:19:40.165>If <00:19:40.340>we're <00:19:40.514>not <00:19:40.690>sure, <00:19:40.865>uh, <00:19:41.040>then <00:19:41.215>yeah, <00:19:41.389>we <00:19:41.565>try

443
00:19:44.735 --> 00:19:47.815
<00:19:44.735>to <00:19:44.909>not <00:19:45.084>move <00:19:45.260>ahead <00:19:45.435>even <00:19:45.610>though <00:19:45.784>they <00:19:45.959>really <00:19:46.135>want

444
00:19:47.815 --> 00:19:49.055
<00:19:47.815>to <00:19:48.187>hire <00:19:48.559>someone <00:19:48.931>mm-hmm.

445
00:19:49.515 --> 00:19:51.575
<00:19:49.515>To <00:19:49.670>be <00:19:49.826>right. <00:19:49.981>Uh, <00:19:50.137>and <00:19:50.292>this <00:19:50.448>is <00:19:50.603>fair <00:19:50.759>to <00:19:50.915>ourselves,

446
00:19:51.575 --> 00:19:54.815
<00:19:51.575>but <00:19:51.715>it's <00:19:51.855>also <00:19:51.995>fair <00:19:52.135>to <00:19:52.275>the <00:19:52.415>individual, <00:19:52.555>um, <00:19:52.695>that <00:19:52.835>we're <00:19:52.975>hiring.

447
00:19:54.955 --> 00:19:57.975
<00:19:54.955>So <00:19:55.129>yeah, <00:19:55.304>these <00:19:55.480>are <00:19:55.655>sometimes <00:19:55.830>tough <00:19:56.004>lessons <00:19:56.179>to <00:19:56.355>learn,

448
00:19:58.115 --> 00:20:00.535
<00:19:58.115>but, <00:19:58.348>um, <00:19:58.581>this <00:19:58.815>is <00:19:59.048>the <00:19:59.281>policy. <00:19:59.515>Yeah.

449
00:20:00.875 --> 00:20:04.535
<00:20:00.875>Uh, <00:20:01.075>I <00:20:01.275>mean, <00:20:01.475>as, <00:20:01.675>as <00:20:01.875>as, <00:20:02.075>uh, <00:20:02.275>recruiting

450
00:20:05.765 --> 00:20:07.975
<00:20:05.765>very <00:20:05.940>often <00:20:06.115>has <00:20:06.290>to <00:20:06.465>do <00:20:06.640>with <00:20:06.815>compromises <00:20:06.990>as <00:20:07.165>well,

451
00:20:07.975 --> 00:20:10.895
<00:20:07.975>because <00:20:08.115>the <00:20:08.254>EL <00:20:08.395>candidate <00:20:08.534>is <00:20:08.675>probably <00:20:08.814>not <00:20:08.955>there <00:20:09.094>when <00:20:09.235>we <00:20:09.375>are

452
00:20:10.895 --> 00:20:11.935
<00:20:10.895>looking <00:20:11.206>for <00:20:11.519>these <00:20:11.831>guys.

453
00:20:12.675 --> 00:20:16.575
<00:20:12.675>Uh, <00:20:12.815>if <00:20:12.955>you <00:20:13.095>would, <00:20:13.235>if, <00:20:13.375>if <00:20:13.514>you <00:20:13.655>would <00:20:13.794>have <00:20:13.935>to <00:20:14.075>choose

454
00:20:16.805 --> 00:20:19.055
<00:20:16.805>between <00:20:17.505>someone, <00:20:18.205>uh,

455
00:20:19.235 --> 00:20:21.775
<00:20:19.235>who <00:20:19.435>hasn't <00:20:19.635>got <00:20:19.834>probably <00:20:20.034>the <00:20:20.235>100% <00:20:20.435>right <00:20:20.635>skills,

456
00:20:21.875 --> 00:20:24.095
<00:20:21.875>but <00:20:22.050>the <00:20:22.225>right <00:20:22.400>mindset <00:20:22.575>or <00:20:22.750>the <00:20:22.925>other <00:20:23.100>way <00:20:23.275>around,

457
00:20:24.245 --> 00:20:25.495
<00:20:24.245>what <00:20:24.469>would <00:20:24.695>you <00:20:24.919>pick <00:20:25.145>and <00:20:25.370>choose?

458
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459
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<00:20:28.935>probably <00:20:29.401>fill <00:20:29.868>the <00:20:30.335>gap?

460
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<00:20:30.835>Is <00:20:31.068>it <00:20:31.301>if <00:20:31.535>there's <00:20:31.768>a <00:20:32.001>mindset <00:20:32.235>gap,

461
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<00:20:32.995>or <00:20:33.195>is <00:20:33.395>it, <00:20:33.594>if <00:20:33.794>it's <00:20:33.995>a <00:20:34.195>skills <00:20:34.395>gap?

462
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463
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<00:20:43.835>and, <00:20:43.990>um, <00:20:44.146>it's <00:20:44.301>easier <00:20:44.457>to <00:20:44.612>predict <00:20:44.768>how <00:20:44.923>likely <00:20:45.079>it's <00:20:45.235>that

464
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<00:20:47.605>that <00:20:47.785>will <00:20:47.965>happen <00:20:48.145>and <00:20:48.325>what <00:20:48.505>it <00:20:48.685>will <00:20:48.865>take

465
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<00:20:49.435>with <00:20:49.635>a <00:20:49.835>mindset <00:20:50.034>gap, <00:20:50.235>it's <00:20:50.435>a <00:20:50.635>little, <00:20:50.835>yeah.

466
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<00:20:53.815>If <00:20:54.048>it <00:20:54.281>isn't <00:20:54.515>there, <00:20:54.748>it <00:20:54.981>isn't <00:20:55.215>there.

467
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<00:20:55.895>Uh, <00:20:56.095>it's <00:20:56.295>unclear <00:20:56.495>how, <00:20:56.695>how <00:20:56.895>to <00:20:57.095>change <00:20:57.295>that.

468
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<00:20:59.175>Um, <00:20:59.455>but <00:20:59.735>I <00:21:00.014>wanna <00:21:00.294>really <00:21:00.575>underline

469
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<00:21:01.435>that <00:21:01.562>we <00:21:01.689>only <00:21:01.816>would <00:21:01.944>make <00:21:02.071>a <00:21:02.198>compromise <00:21:02.325>on <00:21:02.453>skills <00:21:02.580>when <00:21:02.707>we <00:21:02.835>know

470
00:21:04.835 --> 00:21:06.875
<00:21:04.835>that <00:21:05.010>we <00:21:05.185>can <00:21:05.360>also <00:21:05.535>set <00:21:05.710>someone <00:21:05.885>up <00:21:06.060>for <00:21:06.235>success.

471
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<00:21:06.935>So <00:21:07.075>it <00:21:07.215>means <00:21:07.355>that <00:21:07.495>it <00:21:07.635>more <00:21:07.774>responsibility <00:21:07.915>are <00:21:08.054>on <00:21:08.195>our <00:21:08.335>end,

472
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<00:21:11.095>and <00:21:11.295>if <00:21:11.495>know <00:21:11.695>that <00:21:11.895>we <00:21:12.095>can't <00:21:12.295>deliver <00:21:12.495>that,

473
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<00:21:13.225>then <00:21:13.560>we <00:21:13.895>are <00:21:14.230>not <00:21:14.565>compromising

474
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<00:21:14.715>because <00:21:15.181>that's <00:21:15.648>not <00:21:16.115>creating

475
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<00:21:16.915>success <00:21:17.195>or <00:21:17.475>setting <00:21:17.754>up <00:21:18.034>for <00:21:18.315>success

476
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<00:21:18.745>Doesn't <00:21:19.044>make <00:21:19.344>sense. <00:21:19.645>Definitely.

477
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Yeah.

478
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<00:21:21.055>If, <00:21:21.195>I <00:21:21.335>mean, <00:21:21.475>you <00:21:21.615>had <00:21:21.755>like <00:21:21.895>a <00:21:22.035>situation <00:21:22.175>you <00:21:22.315>mentioned <00:21:22.455>already

479
00:21:23.695 --> 00:21:25.915
<00:21:23.695>you <00:21:23.835>had, <00:21:23.975>you <00:21:24.115>were <00:21:24.254>in <00:21:24.395>like <00:21:24.534>a <00:21:24.675>situation <00:21:24.814>that <00:21:24.955>you <00:21:25.095>could,

480
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<00:21:25.985>were <00:21:26.125>able <00:21:26.264>to <00:21:26.405>build <00:21:26.544>it <00:21:26.685>from <00:21:26.824>scratch <00:21:26.965>from <00:21:27.104>the <00:21:27.245>very <00:21:27.385>beginning.

481
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<00:21:28.855>It <00:21:29.055>was <00:21:29.255>a <00:21:29.455>small <00:21:29.655>team, <00:21:29.855>it <00:21:30.055>grew, <00:21:30.255>uh,

482
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<00:21:30.875>the <00:21:31.108>values <00:21:31.341>were <00:21:31.575>there, <00:21:31.808>focus <00:21:32.041>was <00:21:32.275>there.

483
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<00:21:33.455>The, <00:21:33.914>the <00:21:34.372>awareness

484
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<00:21:34.585>that <00:21:34.935>it's <00:21:35.285>becoming <00:21:35.635>important <00:21:35.985>was

485
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<00:21:36.275>already <00:21:36.518>there <00:21:36.761>from <00:21:37.004>the <00:21:37.247>beginning.

486
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<00:21:37.945>Most <00:21:38.100>of <00:21:38.256>the <00:21:38.411>companies <00:21:38.567>are <00:21:38.722>not <00:21:38.878>in <00:21:39.033>this <00:21:39.189>luxury <00:21:39.345>role

487
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<00:21:40.175>and <00:21:40.455>situations, <00:21:40.735>so <00:21:41.014>because <00:21:41.294>most, <00:21:41.575>most

488
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<00:21:41.875>of <00:21:42.015>the <00:21:42.155>companies <00:21:42.295>have <00:21:42.435>history, <00:21:42.575>the <00:21:42.715>history <00:21:42.855>was, <00:21:42.995>okay, <00:21:43.135>we <00:21:43.275>are

489
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<00:21:45.905>more <00:21:46.138>or <00:21:46.371>less, <00:21:46.605>uh, <00:21:46.838>hiring <00:21:47.071>skills <00:21:47.305>based,

490
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<00:21:48.695>not <00:21:49.025>even <00:21:49.355>skills <00:21:49.685>based.

491
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<00:21:49.995>I <00:21:50.122>think <00:21:50.249>it <00:21:50.376>was <00:21:50.504>probably, <00:21:50.631>we <00:21:50.758>have <00:21:50.885>an <00:21:51.013>open <00:21:51.140>position, <00:21:51.267>we <00:21:51.395>need

492
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<00:21:52.435>to <00:21:52.668>fill <00:21:52.901>the <00:21:53.135>position, <00:21:53.368>there's <00:21:53.601>something <00:21:53.835>needed.

493
00:21:54.215 --> 00:21:56.515
<00:21:54.215>And, <00:21:54.355>uh, <00:21:54.495>let's <00:21:54.635>have, <00:21:54.774>let's <00:21:54.915>have <00:21:55.054>a <00:21:55.195>look <00:21:55.334>what's <00:21:55.475>out <00:21:55.615>there.

494
00:21:57.215 --> 00:22:01.635
<00:21:57.215>Uh, <00:21:57.322>if <00:21:57.430>you, <00:21:57.538>if <00:21:57.645>you <00:21:57.753>have <00:21:57.861>to <00:21:57.968>put <00:21:58.076>it <00:21:58.184>in <00:21:58.291>a, <00:21:58.399>in <00:21:58.507>a <00:21:58.615>three

495
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<00:22:01.755>to <00:22:01.895>four <00:22:02.035>steps <00:22:02.175>process <00:22:02.315>for <00:22:02.455>companies <00:22:02.595>out <00:22:02.735>there <00:22:02.875>is <00:22:03.015>a <00:22:03.155>kind

496
00:22:05.435 --> 00:22:06.915
<00:22:05.435>of <00:22:05.625>a <00:22:05.815>tip <00:22:06.005>how <00:22:06.196>to <00:22:06.386>get <00:22:06.576>it <00:22:06.767>right.

497
00:22:07.215 --> 00:22:11.075
<00:22:07.215>If <00:22:07.355>you <00:22:07.495>having <00:22:07.635>the <00:22:07.774>luxury <00:22:07.915>ation <00:22:08.054>that <00:22:08.195>you <00:22:08.334>started <00:22:08.475>from, <00:22:08.615>uh,

498
00:22:11.345 --> 00:22:14.875
<00:22:11.345>what <00:22:11.520>would <00:22:11.695>probably <00:22:11.870>the <00:22:12.045>first <00:22:12.220>three <00:22:12.395>important <00:22:12.570>steps <00:22:12.745>be

499
00:22:14.935 --> 00:22:18.755
<00:22:14.935>to <00:22:15.090>implement <00:22:15.246>it <00:22:15.401>in, <00:22:15.557>in <00:22:15.712>an <00:22:15.868>organization <00:22:16.023>that's <00:22:16.179>already <00:22:16.335>there

500
00:22:18.775 --> 00:22:19.875
<00:22:18.775>and <00:22:19.022>not <00:22:19.270>a <00:22:19.517>green <00:22:19.765>greenfield.

501
00:22:22.205 --> 00:22:24.185
<00:22:22.205>That's <00:22:22.379>not, <00:22:22.554>I <00:22:22.730>think <00:22:22.905>that's <00:22:23.080>not, <00:22:23.254>uh, <00:22:23.429>an <00:22:23.605>easy

502
00:22:24.245 --> 00:22:25.825
<00:22:24.245>and <00:22:24.594>straightforward <00:22:24.945>process <00:22:25.294>for <00:22:25.645>sure.

503
00:22:25.885 --> 00:22:27.465
<00:22:25.885>And <00:22:26.118>it's <00:22:26.351>gonna <00:22:26.585>be <00:22:26.818>a <00:22:27.051>quick <00:22:27.285>fix.

504
00:22:27.605 --> 00:22:29.945
<00:22:27.605>So <00:22:27.760>this <00:22:27.916>is <00:22:28.071>really, <00:22:28.227>will <00:22:28.382>take <00:22:28.538>a <00:22:28.693>lot <00:22:28.849>of <00:22:29.005>energy

505
00:22:29.965 --> 00:22:32.305
<00:22:29.965>and <00:22:30.165>commitment <00:22:30.365>to <00:22:30.564>really, <00:22:30.764>really <00:22:30.965>pull <00:22:31.165>it <00:22:31.365>off.

506
00:22:32.305 --> 00:22:34.105
<00:22:32.305>And <00:22:32.538>then <00:22:32.771>the, <00:22:33.005>the <00:22:33.238>effect <00:22:33.471>will <00:22:33.705>be

507
00:22:34.105 --> 00:22:35.145
<00:22:34.105>more <00:22:34.339>long <00:22:34.573>term <00:22:34.807>than <00:22:35.041>shorter.

508
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<00:22:35.145>Mm-hmm. <00:22:35.320>That's <00:22:35.495>really <00:22:35.670>important <00:22:35.845>to <00:22:36.020>already <00:22:36.195>keep <00:22:36.370>in <00:22:36.545>mind.

509
00:22:38.445 --> 00:22:42.185
<00:22:38.445>So <00:22:38.585>yeah, <00:22:38.725>I <00:22:38.865>think <00:22:39.004>the <00:22:39.145>first <00:22:39.284>step <00:22:39.425>needs <00:22:39.564>to <00:22:39.705>be <00:22:39.845>identifying

510
00:22:42.255 --> 00:22:44.265
<00:22:42.255>what <00:22:42.535>the <00:22:42.815>real <00:22:43.095>values <00:22:43.375>are, <00:22:43.655>uh,

511
00:22:44.365 --> 00:22:47.785
<00:22:44.365>and <00:22:44.540>clear, <00:22:44.715>clearly <00:22:44.890>describing, <00:22:45.065>you <00:22:45.240>know, <00:22:45.415>what <00:22:45.590>they <00:22:45.765>mean.

512
00:22:48.285 --> 00:22:49.625
<00:22:48.285>Um, <00:22:48.586>that <00:22:48.888>is <00:22:49.189>step <00:22:49.491>one.

513
00:22:49.645 --> 00:22:52.625
<00:22:49.645>If, <00:22:49.820>if, <00:22:49.995>if <00:22:50.170>this <00:22:50.345>is <00:22:50.520>unclear, <00:22:50.695>you <00:22:50.870>cannot <00:22:51.045>build

514
00:22:52.725 --> 00:22:56.105
<00:22:52.725>or <00:22:52.852>create <00:22:52.979>anything <00:22:53.106>if, <00:22:53.234>if, <00:22:53.361>if, <00:22:53.488>if <00:22:53.615>this <00:22:53.743>is <00:22:53.870>what <00:22:53.997>you <00:22:54.125>want.

515
00:22:56.885 --> 00:22:59.345
<00:22:56.885>Um, <00:22:57.025>so <00:22:57.165>that <00:22:57.305>would, <00:22:57.445>that, <00:22:57.585>that <00:22:57.725>needs <00:22:57.865>to <00:22:58.004>be <00:22:58.145>step <00:22:58.285>one.

516
00:22:59.505 --> 00:23:01.105
<00:22:59.505>I <00:22:59.705>would <00:22:59.905>try <00:23:00.105>to <00:23:00.305>involve <00:23:00.505>as <00:23:00.705>many <00:23:00.905>people

517
00:23:01.125 --> 00:23:02.505
<00:23:01.125>as <00:23:01.373>you <00:23:01.621>can <00:23:01.870>in <00:23:02.118>doing <00:23:02.367>this.

518
00:23:03.005 --> 00:23:06.265
<00:23:03.005>Um, <00:23:03.132>it <00:23:03.259>cannot <00:23:03.386>be <00:23:03.514>just <00:23:03.641>an <00:23:03.768>a <00:23:03.895>PA <00:23:04.023>recruitment <00:23:04.150>or <00:23:04.277>a <00:23:04.405>people

519
00:23:06.325 --> 00:23:07.865
<00:23:06.325>or <00:23:07.018>HR <00:23:07.711>project.

520
00:23:08.045 --> 00:23:10.025
<00:23:08.045>It <00:23:08.325>needs <00:23:08.605>to <00:23:08.885>be, <00:23:09.165>um, <00:23:09.445>carried

521
00:23:10.175 --> 00:23:11.905
<00:23:10.175>with <00:23:10.455>a <00:23:10.735>broader <00:23:11.014>audience <00:23:11.294>or <00:23:11.575>audience.

522
00:23:12.005 --> 00:23:15.265
<00:23:12.005>And <00:23:12.160>ideally <00:23:12.316>also <00:23:12.471>it's, <00:23:12.627>uh, <00:23:12.782>yeah, <00:23:12.938>the, <00:23:13.093>the <00:23:13.249>top <00:23:13.405>leadership.

523
00:23:15.885 --> 00:23:17.465
<00:23:15.885>Um, <00:23:16.118>if <00:23:16.351>they <00:23:16.585>don't <00:23:16.818>think <00:23:17.051>it's <00:23:17.285>important,

524
00:23:18.015 --> 00:23:20.665
<00:23:18.015>then <00:23:18.215>it's <00:23:18.415>gonna <00:23:18.615>be <00:23:18.815>pretty <00:23:19.015>difficult <00:23:19.215>because <00:23:19.415>mm-hmm.

525
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<00:23:21.845>So <00:23:22.020>ideally <00:23:22.195>you <00:23:22.370>want <00:23:22.545>that, <00:23:22.720>you <00:23:22.895>want <00:23:23.070>that <00:23:23.245>if

526
00:23:24.345 --> 00:23:26.825
<00:23:24.345>that <00:23:24.472>is <00:23:24.599>really <00:23:24.726>difficult <00:23:24.854>or <00:23:24.981>if <00:23:25.108>the <00:23:25.235>scope <00:23:25.363>is <00:23:25.490>just <00:23:25.617>too <00:23:25.745>big

527
00:23:26.925 --> 00:23:29.105
<00:23:26.925>for <00:23:27.100>the <00:23:27.274>team <00:23:27.450>and <00:23:27.625>the <00:23:27.800>capacities <00:23:27.975>that <00:23:28.149>you <00:23:28.325>have.

528
00:23:29.545 --> 00:23:33.045
<00:23:29.545>I <00:23:29.700>would <00:23:29.856>maybe, <00:23:30.011>if <00:23:30.167>I <00:23:30.322>would <00:23:30.478>be <00:23:30.633>in <00:23:30.789>that <00:23:30.945>situation,

529
00:23:33.085 --> 00:23:36.365
<00:23:33.085>I <00:23:33.212>think <00:23:33.339>I <00:23:33.466>would <00:23:33.594>look <00:23:33.721>for, <00:23:33.848>uh, <00:23:33.975>a <00:23:34.103>team <00:23:34.230>or <00:23:34.357>a <00:23:34.485>department

530
00:23:36.365 --> 00:23:38.965
<00:23:36.365>or <00:23:36.565>a <00:23:36.765>hiring <00:23:36.965>manager <00:23:37.165>that <00:23:37.365>is <00:23:37.565>quite <00:23:37.765>interested

531
00:23:38.965 --> 00:23:40.045
<00:23:38.965>in <00:23:39.289>this <00:23:39.613>and <00:23:39.937>mm-hmm.

532
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<00:23:40.735>Maybe <00:23:40.890>is <00:23:41.046>already <00:23:41.201>incorporating <00:23:41.357>this <00:23:41.512>in <00:23:41.668>hiring <00:23:41.823>a <00:23:41.979>little <00:23:42.135>bit.

533
00:23:43.465 --> 00:23:46.925
<00:23:43.465>And <00:23:43.620>I <00:23:43.776>would <00:23:43.931>really <00:23:44.087>just <00:23:44.242>see, <00:23:44.398>okay, <00:23:44.553>where, <00:23:44.709>you <00:23:44.865>know,

534
00:23:47.665 --> 00:23:49.855
<00:23:47.665>where <00:23:47.805>is <00:23:47.945>the <00:23:48.085>wind <00:23:48.225>in <00:23:48.365>the <00:23:48.504>seals <00:23:48.645>already <00:23:48.784>a <00:23:48.925>little <00:23:49.065>bit

535
00:23:49.875 --> 00:23:52.855
<00:23:49.875>and <00:23:50.002>then <00:23:50.129>just <00:23:50.256>see, <00:23:50.384>uh, <00:23:50.511>if <00:23:50.638>you <00:23:50.765>can <00:23:50.893>find <00:23:51.020>a <00:23:51.147>collaboration <00:23:51.275>there

536
00:23:52.875 --> 00:23:54.095
<00:23:52.875>and <00:23:53.094>to <00:23:53.314>build <00:23:53.533>the <00:23:53.753>best <00:23:53.973>practice

537
00:23:54.675 --> 00:23:57.575
<00:23:54.675>and <00:23:54.908>then, <00:23:55.141>um, <00:23:55.375>yeah, <00:23:55.608>build <00:23:55.841>some <00:23:56.075>evidence

538
00:23:57.605 --> 00:23:59.495
<00:23:57.605>that <00:23:57.838>can <00:23:58.071>also <00:23:58.305>build <00:23:58.538>your <00:23:58.771>case <00:23:59.005>further

539
00:23:59.555 --> 00:24:01.655
<00:23:59.555>for <00:23:59.905>a <00:24:00.255>wider, <00:24:00.605>uh, <00:24:00.955>exposure.

540
00:24:01.995 --> 00:24:03.615
<00:24:01.995>Mm-hmm. <00:24:02.274>I <00:24:02.554>would <00:24:02.834>really <00:24:03.114>for <00:24:03.395>that.

541
00:24:03.835 --> 00:24:06.895
<00:24:03.835>And <00:24:03.962>then, <00:24:04.089>uh, <00:24:04.216>do <00:24:04.344>a <00:24:04.471>bit <00:24:04.598>of <00:24:04.725>a <00:24:04.853>pilot <00:24:04.980>somewhere <00:24:05.107>with <00:24:05.235>someone

542
00:24:06.915 --> 00:24:08.215
<00:24:06.915>who <00:24:07.207>is <00:24:07.500>really, <00:24:07.792>uh, <00:24:08.085>motivated.

543
00:24:08.475 --> 00:24:10.615
<00:24:08.475>Mm-hmm. <00:24:08.708>Uh, <00:24:08.941>let <00:24:09.175>the <00:24:09.408>results <00:24:09.641>speak <00:24:09.875>for,

544
00:24:10.715 --> 00:24:12.335
<00:24:10.715>for <00:24:10.995>themselves. <00:24:11.274>I <00:24:11.554>think <00:24:11.834>that's, <00:24:12.115>uh,

545
00:24:12.925 --> 00:24:13.925
Yeah.

546
00:24:14.675 --> 00:24:15.935
<00:24:14.675>And <00:24:15.809>yeah.

547
00:24:16.075 --> 00:24:19.135
<00:24:16.075>And <00:24:16.230>if, <00:24:16.386>if <00:24:16.541>companies, <00:24:16.697>uh, <00:24:16.852>grow <00:24:17.008>fast, <00:24:17.163>like <00:24:17.319>polar <00:24:17.475>steps,

548
00:24:19.295 --> 00:24:21.375
<00:24:19.295>I <00:24:19.450>mean, <00:24:19.606>you <00:24:19.761>mentioned <00:24:19.917>you, <00:24:20.072>there <00:24:20.228>was <00:24:20.383>10 <00:24:20.539>people <00:24:20.695>there.

549
00:24:21.395 --> 00:24:23.015
<00:24:21.395>In <00:24:21.745>the <00:24:22.095>meantime, <00:24:22.445>it's <00:24:22.795>100

550
00:24:23.275 --> 00:24:25.575
<00:24:23.275>and, <00:24:23.508>uh, <00:24:23.741>the <00:24:23.975>journey <00:24:24.208>is <00:24:24.441>going <00:24:24.675>onwards.

551
00:24:25.795 --> 00:24:29.735
<00:24:25.795>So, <00:24:26.075>uh, <00:24:26.355>definitely, <00:24:26.635>uh, <00:24:26.915>values <00:24:27.195>change.

552
00:24:29.875 --> 00:24:32.015
<00:24:29.875>Do <00:24:30.108>do <00:24:30.341>s <00:24:30.575>change <00:24:30.808>along <00:24:31.041>the <00:24:31.275>way,

553
00:24:32.315 --> 00:24:36.855
<00:24:32.315>and <00:24:32.431>how <00:24:32.548>do <00:24:32.665>we <00:24:32.781>adapt <00:24:32.898>then <00:24:33.015>this <00:24:33.131>kind <00:24:33.248>of <00:24:33.365>process <00:24:33.481>not <00:24:33.598>to <00:24:33.715>oversee

554
00:24:36.855 --> 00:24:40.175
<00:24:36.855>that <00:24:37.030>There's <00:24:37.205>a <00:24:37.380>kind <00:24:37.555>of, <00:24:37.730>uh, <00:24:37.905>changes <00:24:38.080>in <00:24:38.255>behavior,

555
00:24:41.365 --> 00:24:43.375
<00:24:41.365>necessity <00:24:41.598>of <00:24:41.831>changes <00:24:42.065>in <00:24:42.298>behavior <00:24:42.531>as <00:24:42.765>well.

556
00:24:43.535 --> 00:24:45.175
<00:24:43.535>I <00:24:43.710>mean, <00:24:43.885>if <00:24:44.060>you <00:24:44.235>are <00:24:44.410>a <00:24:44.585>startup, <00:24:44.760>I <00:24:44.935>mean,

557
00:24:45.445 --> 00:24:47.135
<00:24:45.445>there's <00:24:45.794>probably <00:24:46.145>no <00:24:46.495>rules <00:24:46.845>needed

558
00:24:47.135 --> 00:24:48.935
<00:24:47.135>because, <00:24:47.368>uh, <00:24:47.601>it's <00:24:47.835>like <00:24:48.068>in <00:24:48.301>a <00:24:48.535>jungle.

559
00:24:49.085 --> 00:24:50.815
<00:24:49.085>Yeah. <00:24:49.365>You <00:24:49.645>start <00:24:49.925>in <00:24:50.205>the <00:24:50.485>morning

560
00:24:50.875 --> 00:24:54.095
<00:24:50.875>and <00:24:51.030>you <00:24:51.186>meet <00:24:51.341>in <00:24:51.497>somewhere <00:24:51.652>in <00:24:51.808>the <00:24:51.963>forest <00:24:52.119>at <00:24:52.275>lunchtime

561
00:24:54.155 --> 00:24:59.105
<00:24:54.155>and <00:24:54.355>probably <00:24:54.555>in <00:24:54.754>the <00:24:54.955>evening, <00:24:55.155>and <00:24:55.355>along, <00:24:55.555>along,

562
00:24:59.195 --> 00:25:01.985
<00:24:59.195>along <00:24:59.311>the <00:24:59.428>way, <00:24:59.544>everybody <00:24:59.661>knows <00:24:59.778>what <00:24:59.895>to <00:25:00.011>do <00:25:00.128>and <00:25:00.245>how <00:25:00.361>to <00:25:00.478>do <00:25:00.595>it

563
00:25:01.985 --> 00:25:04.825
<00:25:01.985>because <00:25:02.112>all, <00:25:02.239>all, <00:25:02.366>all <00:25:02.494>the <00:25:02.621>guys <00:25:02.748>are <00:25:02.875>experts <00:25:03.003>in <00:25:03.130>what <00:25:03.257>they <00:25:03.385>do.

564
00:25:05.405 --> 00:25:08.185
<00:25:05.405>Uh, <00:25:05.532>and <00:25:05.659>then <00:25:05.786>you're <00:25:05.914>becoming <00:25:06.041>a <00:25:06.168>kind <00:25:06.295>of <00:25:06.423>a <00:25:06.550>village <00:25:06.677>later <00:25:06.805>on,

565
00:25:08.465 --> 00:25:10.545
<00:25:08.465>probably <00:25:08.620>a <00:25:08.776>big <00:25:08.931>city <00:25:09.087>and <00:25:09.242>a <00:25:09.398>metropolitan <00:25:09.553>city <00:25:09.709>as <00:25:09.865>a,

566
00:25:10.545 --> 00:25:13.425
<00:25:10.545>as <00:25:10.720>a <00:25:10.895>big <00:25:11.070>enterprise <00:25:11.245>company, <00:25:11.420>how <00:25:11.595>do <00:25:11.770>you <00:25:11.945>ensure

567
00:25:13.425 --> 00:25:18.345
<00:25:13.425>that <00:25:13.580>you <00:25:13.736>don't <00:25:13.891>lose <00:25:14.047>this <00:25:14.202>kind <00:25:14.358>of, <00:25:14.513>uh, <00:25:14.669>awareness, <00:25:14.825>uh,

568
00:25:18.925 --> 00:25:22.825
<00:25:18.925>and, <00:25:19.158>and, <00:25:19.391>and <00:25:19.625>genuine <00:25:19.858>a <00:25:20.091>a, <00:25:20.325>uh,

569
00:25:23.165 --> 00:25:24.345
<00:25:23.165>access <00:25:23.519>to <00:25:23.873>that <00:25:24.227>topic?

570
00:25:26.605 --> 00:25:31.365
<00:25:26.605>Um, <00:25:26.955>yeah, <00:25:27.305>I <00:25:27.655>think <00:25:28.005>likely,

571
00:25:31.545 --> 00:25:34.205
<00:25:31.545>or <00:25:31.720>actually <00:25:31.895>we <00:25:32.070>are <00:25:32.245>also <00:25:32.420>currently <00:25:32.595>in <00:25:32.770>the <00:25:32.945>process

572
00:25:34.265 --> 00:25:36.045
<00:25:34.265>of <00:25:34.731>reevaluating <00:25:35.198>the <00:25:35.665>values

573
00:25:36.105 --> 00:25:40.085
<00:25:36.105>and <00:25:36.232>to <00:25:36.359>really <00:25:36.486>assess, <00:25:36.614>uh, <00:25:36.741>um, <00:25:36.868>you <00:25:36.995>know, <00:25:37.123>are <00:25:37.250>they <00:25:37.377>still <00:25:37.505>true?

574
00:25:40.305 --> 00:25:42.645
<00:25:40.305>Are <00:25:40.585>they <00:25:40.865>still, <00:25:41.145>um, <00:25:41.425>covering <00:25:41.705>everything

575
00:25:42.645 --> 00:25:44.765
<00:25:42.645>that <00:25:42.845>we <00:25:43.045>believe <00:25:43.245>is <00:25:43.445>important <00:25:43.645>that <00:25:43.845>is, <00:25:44.045>is

576
00:25:45.645 --> 00:25:48.765
<00:25:45.645>that <00:25:45.925>is <00:25:46.205>representing <00:25:46.485>our <00:25:46.764>company <00:25:47.045>identity?

577
00:25:48.765 --> 00:25:51.805
<00:25:48.765>Because <00:25:48.940>I <00:25:49.115>think <00:25:49.290>values <00:25:49.465>are <00:25:49.640>maybe <00:25:49.815>easily <00:25:49.990>translated <00:25:50.165>into

578
00:25:52.005 --> 00:25:53.765
<00:25:52.005>identity <00:25:52.471>and <00:25:52.938>the <00:25:53.405>identity

579
00:25:53.865 --> 00:25:56.205
<00:25:53.865>and <00:25:54.040>the <00:25:54.215>image <00:25:54.390>should, <00:25:54.565>should <00:25:54.740>be <00:25:54.915>as <00:25:55.090>close <00:25:55.265>together

580
00:25:56.225 --> 00:25:57.285
<00:25:56.225>as <00:25:56.702>possible <00:25:57.179>head.

581
00:25:57.325 --> 00:25:58.445
<00:25:57.325>I <00:25:57.526>shouldn't <00:25:57.728>dig <00:25:57.929>of <00:25:58.131>a <00:25:58.332>gap.

582
00:25:58.745 --> 00:26:00.965
<00:25:58.745>Um, <00:25:58.945>but <00:25:59.145>identity <00:25:59.344>can <00:25:59.544>change <00:25:59.745>over <00:25:59.945>time <00:26:00.145>due

583
00:26:00.965 --> 00:26:02.365
<00:26:00.965>to <00:26:01.595>environment <00:26:02.225>changes.

584
00:26:02.925 --> 00:26:07.525
<00:26:02.925>Anything. <00:26:03.391>Um, <00:26:03.858>let's <00:26:04.325>say

585
00:26:07.525 --> 00:26:10.645
<00:26:07.525>that <00:26:07.758>you <00:26:07.991>have <00:26:08.225>been <00:26:08.458>recruiting <00:26:08.691>values <00:26:08.925>based,

586
00:26:10.745 --> 00:26:13.525
<00:26:10.745>so <00:26:10.919>the <00:26:11.094>core <00:26:11.270>values, <00:26:11.445>they <00:26:11.620>are <00:26:11.794>still <00:26:11.969>quite <00:26:12.145>intact.

587
00:26:13.705 --> 00:26:15.005
<00:26:13.705>Uh, <00:26:14.095>the <00:26:14.485>reality <00:26:14.875>around,

588
00:26:15.025 --> 00:26:16.445
<00:26:15.025>or <00:26:15.664>maybe <00:26:16.303>how,

589
00:26:18.585 --> 00:26:21.565
<00:26:18.585>how <00:26:18.725>these <00:26:18.865>values <00:26:19.005>be <00:26:19.145>are <00:26:19.285>being <00:26:19.425>lived <00:26:19.565>in <00:26:19.705>the <00:26:19.845>newer <00:26:19.985>context,

590
00:26:22.285 --> 00:26:25.885
<00:26:22.285>a <00:26:22.440>bigger <00:26:22.596>company <00:26:22.751>or, <00:26:22.907>uh, <00:26:23.062>different <00:26:23.218>ways <00:26:23.373>of <00:26:23.529>doing <00:26:23.685>things,

591
00:26:26.295 --> 00:26:28.795
<00:26:26.295>maybe <00:26:26.761>the <00:26:27.228>underlying <00:26:27.695>Yeah.

592
00:26:28.795 --> 00:26:31.355
<00:26:28.795>Values <00:26:29.028>and <00:26:29.261>behaviors, <00:26:29.495>sorry, <00:26:29.728>the <00:26:29.961>underlying <00:26:30.195>behaviors,

593
00:26:31.355 --> 00:26:32.795
<00:26:31.355>they <00:26:31.614>might <00:26:31.873>a <00:26:32.132>little <00:26:32.391>bit <00:26:32.651>different.

594
00:26:32.895 --> 00:26:35.235
<00:26:32.895>So <00:26:33.095>as <00:26:33.295>soon <00:26:33.495>as <00:26:33.695>you <00:26:33.895>can <00:26:34.095>identify <00:26:34.295>those,

595
00:26:35.505 --> 00:26:38.075
<00:26:35.505>they <00:26:35.660>can <00:26:35.816>help <00:26:35.971>you <00:26:36.127>again <00:26:36.282>to <00:26:36.438>hire <00:26:36.593>the <00:26:36.749>right <00:26:36.905>people

596
00:26:38.175 --> 00:26:39.995
<00:26:38.175>for <00:26:38.641>current, <00:26:39.108>uh, <00:26:39.575>context.

597
00:26:40.655 --> 00:26:42.835
<00:26:40.655>So <00:26:40.830>it's <00:26:41.004>really <00:26:41.180>important <00:26:41.355>if <00:26:41.530>you <00:26:41.705>continue <00:26:41.879>to <00:26:42.055>hire

598
00:26:43.275 --> 00:26:47.685
<00:26:43.275>with <00:26:43.450>exactly <00:26:43.625>the <00:26:43.800>same <00:26:43.975>framework <00:26:44.150>from, <00:26:44.325>you <00:26:44.500>know, <00:26:44.675>uh,

599
00:26:47.685 --> 00:26:50.205
<00:26:47.685>20 <00:26:47.885>people <00:26:48.085>team <00:26:48.284>versus <00:26:48.485>a <00:26:48.685>hundred <00:26:48.885>people <00:26:49.085>team.

600
00:26:50.385 --> 00:26:53.245
<00:26:50.385>Mm-hmm. <00:26:50.525>Probably <00:26:50.665>not, <00:26:50.805>well, <00:26:50.945>it, <00:26:51.085>it <00:26:51.225>will <00:26:51.365>more <00:26:51.504>or <00:26:51.645>less <00:26:51.785>work,

601
00:26:53.305 --> 00:26:54.805
<00:26:53.305>but <00:26:53.642>you'll <00:26:53.980>also <00:26:54.317>lose <00:26:54.655>opportunities

602
00:26:54.805 --> 00:26:57.205
<00:26:54.805>because <00:26:55.038>you, <00:26:55.271>it's <00:26:55.505>not <00:26:55.738>fully <00:26:55.971>reflecting <00:26:56.205>the,

603
00:26:57.265 --> 00:26:58.285
<00:26:57.265>the <00:26:57.724>current <00:26:58.183>situation.

604
00:26:58.305 --> 00:27:01.365
<00:26:58.305>So <00:26:58.460>yeah. <00:26:58.616>It <00:26:58.771>needs <00:26:58.927>work. <00:26:59.082>It's <00:26:59.238>like <00:26:59.393>a <00:26:59.549>verb. <00:26:59.705>Yeah.

605
00:27:01.365 --> 00:27:03.445
<00:27:01.365>The <00:27:01.598>famous <00:27:01.831>love <00:27:02.065>in <00:27:02.298>a <00:27:02.531>way, <00:27:02.765>uh,

606
00:27:03.635 --> 00:27:06.565
<00:27:03.635>because <00:27:03.775>yeah, <00:27:03.915>you <00:27:04.055>have <00:27:04.195>to <00:27:04.335>be, <00:27:04.475>be <00:27:04.615>very <00:27:04.754>ve <00:27:04.895>with <00:27:05.035>it.

607
00:27:06.635 --> 00:27:08.165
<00:27:06.635>Yeah. <00:27:06.864>Um, <00:27:07.094>so <00:27:07.323>we're <00:27:07.553>in <00:27:07.782>this <00:27:08.012>process

608
00:27:08.265 --> 00:27:10.725
<00:27:08.265>and <00:27:08.498>everyone <00:27:08.731>is <00:27:08.965>now <00:27:09.198>actually <00:27:09.431>being <00:27:09.665>asked

609
00:27:10.725 --> 00:27:12.525
<00:27:10.725>to <00:27:11.004>give <00:27:11.284>input <00:27:11.564>on <00:27:11.844>it <00:27:12.125>mm-hmm.

610
00:27:12.955 --> 00:27:15.045
<00:27:12.955>That <00:27:13.155>the, <00:27:13.355>the <00:27:13.554>foundation <00:27:13.754>will <00:27:13.955>be <00:27:14.155>the <00:27:14.355>same,

611
00:27:15.045 --> 00:27:16.405
<00:27:15.045>and <00:27:15.219>we <00:27:15.394>will <00:27:15.569>make <00:27:15.744>some <00:27:15.919>little <00:27:16.094>tweaks <00:27:16.269>here

612
00:27:16.405 --> 00:27:18.805
<00:27:16.405>and <00:27:16.605>there <00:27:16.805>to <00:27:17.004>make <00:27:17.205>sure <00:27:17.405>it <00:27:17.605>does <00:27:17.805>represent.

613
00:27:19.145 --> 00:27:23.525
<00:27:19.145>Mm-hmm. <00:27:19.285>What, <00:27:19.425>and <00:27:19.565>then, <00:27:19.705>uh, <00:27:19.845>it <00:27:19.985>helps <00:27:20.125>us <00:27:20.264>to <00:27:20.405>also <00:27:20.545>yeah,

614
00:27:23.925 --> 00:27:26.045
<00:27:23.925>continue <00:27:24.100>to <00:27:24.274>live <00:27:24.450>those <00:27:24.625>and <00:27:24.800>continue <00:27:24.975>to <00:27:25.149>make <00:27:25.325>sure

615
00:27:26.045 --> 00:27:29.365
<00:27:26.045>that <00:27:26.220>people <00:27:26.395>understand <00:27:26.570>what <00:27:26.745>they're <00:27:26.920>joining, <00:27:27.095>uh, <00:27:27.270>for <00:27:27.445>us

616
00:27:29.365 --> 00:27:31.925
<00:27:29.365>to <00:27:29.540>understand <00:27:29.715>the <00:27:29.890>people <00:27:30.065>that <00:27:30.240>are <00:27:30.415>joining <00:27:30.590>us, <00:27:30.765>like,

617
00:27:31.955 --> 00:27:33.485
<00:27:31.955>okay, <00:27:32.299>are <00:27:32.643>we <00:27:32.987>aligned <00:27:33.331>enough?

618
00:27:33.785 --> 00:27:35.405
<00:27:33.785>Uh, <00:27:33.960>it's <00:27:34.135>okay <00:27:34.310>that <00:27:34.485>it <00:27:34.660>changes <00:27:34.835>a <00:27:35.010>little <00:27:35.185>bit,

619
00:27:35.825 --> 00:27:37.485
<00:27:35.825>but <00:27:36.058>it <00:27:36.291>shouldn't <00:27:36.525>be <00:27:36.758>completely <00:27:36.991>something <00:27:37.225>else.

620
00:27:37.665 --> 00:27:38.885
<00:27:37.665>Uh, <00:27:37.884>all <00:27:38.104>of <00:27:38.323>this <00:27:38.543>other <00:27:38.763>course.

621
00:27:39.035 --> 00:27:41.965
<00:27:39.035>Yeah. <00:27:39.235>Yeah. <00:27:39.435>But <00:27:39.635>I <00:27:39.835>think <00:27:40.035>what, <00:27:40.235>what, <00:27:40.435>what

622
00:27:41.965 --> 00:27:44.965
<00:27:41.965>what <00:27:42.165>you <00:27:42.365>said <00:27:42.564>is <00:27:42.764>it's <00:27:42.965>con <00:27:43.165>continuously <00:27:43.365>necessary

623
00:27:45.065 --> 00:27:47.085
<00:27:45.065>to <00:27:45.345>really <00:27:45.625>question <00:27:45.905>yourself, <00:27:46.185>to <00:27:46.465>question,

624
00:27:47.145 --> 00:27:48.645
<00:27:47.145>are <00:27:47.370>we <00:27:47.595>still <00:27:47.820>on <00:27:48.045>the <00:27:48.270>right <00:27:48.495>track?

625
00:27:48.745 --> 00:27:51.845
<00:27:48.745>Uh, <00:27:48.945>to <00:27:49.145>really <00:27:49.344>question, <00:27:49.544>uh, <00:27:49.745>does <00:27:49.945>the <00:27:50.145>way

626
00:27:52.505 --> 00:27:56.005
<00:27:52.505>No, <00:27:52.645>it's <00:27:52.785>not, <00:27:52.925>it, <00:27:53.065>it, <00:27:53.205>it <00:27:53.345>should <00:27:53.485>live <00:27:53.625>because <00:27:53.765>Yeah, <00:27:53.905>yeah.

627
00:27:57.065 --> 00:27:59.685
<00:27:57.065>Uh, <00:27:57.240>identity <00:27:57.415>life <00:27:57.590>in <00:27:57.765>the <00:27:57.940>company, <00:27:58.115>so <00:27:58.290>yeah. <00:27:58.465>Yeah.

628
00:27:59.755 --> 00:28:01.285
<00:27:59.755>That <00:27:59.984>can <00:28:00.214>be <00:28:00.443>a <00:28:00.673>set <00:28:00.902>thing. <00:28:01.132>Yeah.

629
00:28:01.545 --> 00:28:03.285
<00:28:01.545>So <00:28:01.825>that <00:28:02.105>means <00:28:02.385>that <00:28:02.665>this <00:28:02.945>culture

630
00:28:03.465 --> 00:28:04.925
<00:28:03.465>and <00:28:03.793>interview, <00:28:04.121>uh, <00:28:04.450>this <00:28:04.779>culture

631
00:28:04.925 --> 00:28:06.685
<00:28:04.925>and <00:28:05.391>values <00:28:05.858>interview, <00:28:06.325>uh,

632
00:28:06.685 --> 00:28:10.205
<00:28:06.685>process <00:28:06.825>in <00:28:06.965>itself <00:28:07.105>is <00:28:07.245>a <00:28:07.385>living <00:28:07.524>process <00:28:07.665>as <00:28:07.804>well, <00:28:07.945>which <00:28:08.085>needs

633
00:28:10.205 --> 00:28:11.765
<00:28:10.205>to <00:28:10.405>be <00:28:10.605>adapted <00:28:10.804>as <00:28:11.004>well <00:28:11.205>along <00:28:11.405>the <00:28:11.605>way.

634
00:28:12.345 --> 00:28:16.765
<00:28:12.345>Yes. <00:28:12.500>Sometimes, <00:28:12.656>uh, <00:28:12.811>we, <00:28:12.967>we <00:28:13.122>change <00:28:13.278>questions <00:28:13.433>a <00:28:13.589>little <00:28:13.745>bit

635
00:28:16.765 --> 00:28:19.165
<00:28:16.765>because <00:28:16.905>we <00:28:17.045>feel <00:28:17.185>like, <00:28:17.325>oh <00:28:17.465>yeah, <00:28:17.605>this <00:28:17.745>maybe <00:28:17.885>is <00:28:18.025>not <00:28:18.165>very

636
00:28:19.405 --> 00:28:22.045
<00:28:19.405>accurate <00:28:19.605>anymore, <00:28:19.805>or, <00:28:20.004>yeah, <00:28:20.205>been <00:28:20.405>missing <00:28:20.605>this <00:28:20.805>element,

637
00:28:22.095 --> 00:28:25.045
<00:28:22.095>which <00:28:22.328>becomes <00:28:22.561>more <00:28:22.795>apparent <00:28:23.028>in <00:28:23.261>our <00:28:23.495>reality.

638
00:28:25.185 --> 00:28:27.485
<00:28:25.185>So <00:28:25.340>we <00:28:25.496>have <00:28:25.651>to <00:28:25.807>make <00:28:25.962>sure <00:28:26.118>that <00:28:26.273>we, <00:28:26.429>uh, <00:28:26.585>yeah.

639
00:28:27.485 --> 00:28:28.805
<00:28:27.485>That <00:28:27.633>we <00:28:27.782>focus <00:28:27.930>on <00:28:28.079>it <00:28:28.227>a <00:28:28.376>little <00:28:28.524>bit <00:28:28.673>more.

640
00:28:28.805 --> 00:28:30.365
<00:28:28.805>We, <00:28:29.085>we <00:28:29.365>adjusted <00:28:29.645>as <00:28:29.925>well. <00:28:30.205>Mm-hmm.

641
00:28:30.465 --> 00:28:33.445
<00:28:30.465>Um, <00:28:30.698>by <00:28:30.931>new <00:28:31.165>people <00:28:31.398>joining <00:28:31.631>this <00:28:31.865>team

642
00:28:33.445 --> 00:28:34.765
<00:28:33.445>of <00:28:33.841>values, <00:28:34.237>interview <00:28:34.633>crew.

643
00:28:35.305 --> 00:28:36.485
<00:28:35.305>Um, <00:28:36.367>yeah.

644
00:28:36.745 --> 00:28:40.485
<00:28:36.745>It <00:28:36.900>also <00:28:37.056>will <00:28:37.211>already <00:28:37.367>do <00:28:37.522>something <00:28:37.678>to, <00:28:37.833>uh, <00:28:37.989>the <00:28:38.145>type

645
00:28:40.485 --> 00:28:42.365
<00:28:40.485>of <00:28:40.685>stories <00:28:40.885>that <00:28:41.084>are <00:28:41.284>being <00:28:41.485>shared, <00:28:41.685>the <00:28:41.885>way

646
00:28:42.395 --> 00:28:43.605
<00:28:42.395>that <00:28:42.667>you <00:28:42.939>on <00:28:43.211>the <00:28:43.484>values.

647
00:28:43.945 --> 00:28:46.965
<00:28:43.945>So <00:28:44.100>this <00:28:44.256>is <00:28:44.411>also <00:28:44.567>a <00:28:44.722>living <00:28:44.878>thing. <00:28:45.033>Um, <00:28:45.189>yeah. <00:28:45.345>Yeah.

648
00:28:48.385 --> 00:28:51.965
<00:28:48.385>Um, <00:28:48.525>I, <00:28:48.665>I <00:28:48.805>want <00:28:48.945>to, <00:28:49.085>to, <00:28:49.225>to <00:28:49.365>come <00:28:49.504>to <00:28:49.645>another <00:28:49.785>point.

649
00:28:52.185 --> 00:28:55.575
<00:28:52.185>Uh, <00:28:52.340>what <00:28:52.496>I <00:28:52.651>see <00:28:52.807>is <00:28:52.962>that, <00:28:53.118>I <00:28:53.273>mean, <00:28:53.429>uh, <00:28:53.585>it,

650
00:28:55.635 --> 00:28:59.175
<00:28:55.635>it <00:28:55.835>definitely <00:28:56.035>takes <00:28:56.235>more <00:28:56.435>time <00:28:56.635>than <00:28:56.835>classical <00:28:57.035>skills-based

651
00:28:59.175 --> 00:29:00.295
<00:28:59.175>hiring <00:28:59.679>because, <00:29:00.183>uh,

652
00:29:00.515 --> 00:29:02.695
<00:29:00.515>the <00:29:00.795>interview <00:29:01.075>process <00:29:01.355>has <00:29:01.635>another <00:29:01.915>stages.

653
00:29:03.035 --> 00:29:04.095
<00:29:03.035>Uh, <00:29:03.353>it's <00:29:03.671>this <00:29:03.989>kind

654
00:29:04.095 --> 00:29:06.175
<00:29:04.095>of <00:29:04.270>taking <00:29:04.445>the <00:29:04.620>people <00:29:04.795>one <00:29:04.970>day <00:29:05.145>to <00:29:05.320>the <00:29:05.495>office.

655
00:29:06.355 --> 00:29:10.415
<00:29:06.355>So <00:29:06.588>in <00:29:06.821>many <00:29:07.055>organizations, <00:29:07.288>I <00:29:07.521>think <00:29:07.755>recruiting

656
00:29:10.415 --> 00:29:14.535
<00:29:10.415>and <00:29:10.542>hiring <00:29:10.669>is <00:29:10.796>kind <00:29:10.924>of, <00:29:11.051>uh, <00:29:11.178>still <00:29:11.305>in <00:29:11.433>a <00:29:11.560>reactive <00:29:11.687>mode, <00:29:11.815>not

657
00:29:14.535 --> 00:29:17.935
<00:29:14.535>because <00:29:14.690>of <00:29:14.846>the <00:29:15.001>HR <00:29:15.157>people, <00:29:15.312>not <00:29:15.468>because <00:29:15.623>of <00:29:15.779>the <00:29:15.935>recruiters.

658
00:29:18.485 --> 00:29:21.095
<00:29:18.485>It's <00:29:18.659>more <00:29:18.834>because <00:29:19.010>of, <00:29:19.185>okay, <00:29:19.360>somebody's <00:29:19.534>leaving, <00:29:19.709>we <00:29:19.885>need

659
00:29:21.095 --> 00:29:22.175
<00:29:21.095>to <00:29:21.419>find <00:29:21.743>another <00:29:22.067>person.

660
00:29:22.875 --> 00:29:26.295
<00:29:22.875>Um, <00:29:23.030>it's, <00:29:23.186>it's, <00:29:23.341>it's <00:29:23.497>a <00:29:23.652>kind <00:29:23.808>of <00:29:23.963>reactive <00:29:24.119>in <00:29:24.275>itself.

661
00:29:26.555 --> 00:29:28.015
<00:29:26.555>So <00:29:26.742>it's <00:29:26.930>at <00:29:27.118>the <00:29:27.305>end <00:29:27.493>of <00:29:27.681>the <00:29:27.869>chain.

662
00:29:28.015 --> 00:29:30.495
<00:29:28.015>There's <00:29:28.248>hr, <00:29:28.481>they're <00:29:28.715>taking <00:29:28.948>care <00:29:29.181>that, <00:29:29.415>uh,

663
00:29:30.995 --> 00:29:33.215
<00:29:30.995>we <00:29:31.274>feel <00:29:31.554>op <00:29:31.834>feel <00:29:32.114>open <00:29:32.395>positions.

664
00:29:33.215 --> 00:29:34.495
<00:29:33.215>Yeah. <00:29:33.503>We're <00:29:33.791>growing <00:29:34.079>the <00:29:34.367>business.

665
00:29:34.595 --> 00:29:36.415
<00:29:34.595>We <00:29:34.828>need <00:29:35.061>some <00:29:35.295>kind <00:29:35.528>of <00:29:35.761>extra <00:29:35.995>resources.

666
00:29:36.435 --> 00:29:38.895
<00:29:36.435>So <00:29:36.590>it, <00:29:36.746>anyhow, <00:29:36.901>always <00:29:37.057>at <00:29:37.212>the <00:29:37.368>end <00:29:37.523>of <00:29:37.679>the <00:29:37.835>chain,

667
00:29:40.825 --> 00:29:41.845
<00:29:40.825>is <00:29:41.131>there <00:29:41.437>a <00:29:41.743>chance

668
00:29:41.985 --> 00:29:45.325
<00:29:41.985>or <00:29:42.101>is <00:29:42.218>it <00:29:42.334>needed <00:29:42.451>that <00:29:42.568>we <00:29:42.685>have <00:29:42.801>a <00:29:42.918>kind <00:29:43.034>of <00:29:43.151>a <00:29:43.268>people's <00:29:43.385>people,

669
00:29:45.705 --> 00:29:47.445
<00:29:45.705>um, <00:29:46.171>strategy <00:29:46.638>in <00:29:47.105>place

670
00:29:47.445 --> 00:29:50.165
<00:29:47.445>that <00:29:47.645>we <00:29:47.845>know <00:29:48.044>which <00:29:48.245>resources <00:29:48.445>we <00:29:48.645>will <00:29:48.845>need

671
00:29:50.165 --> 00:29:53.245
<00:29:50.165>or <00:29:50.320>which <00:29:50.476>people <00:29:50.631>we <00:29:50.787>need, <00:29:50.942>uh, <00:29:51.098>in <00:29:51.253>the <00:29:51.409>near <00:29:51.565>future

672
00:29:53.585 --> 00:29:56.325
<00:29:53.585>to <00:29:53.725>make <00:29:53.865>this, <00:29:54.005>to <00:29:54.145>give <00:29:54.285>this <00:29:54.425>a <00:29:54.565>realistic <00:29:54.705>chance <00:29:54.845>to, <00:29:54.985>to,

673
00:29:56.425 --> 00:29:57.925
<00:29:56.425>to <00:29:56.762>be <00:29:57.100>put <00:29:57.437>in <00:29:57.774>place.

674
00:29:58.355 --> 00:29:59.725
<00:29:58.355>Because <00:29:58.766>otherwise, <00:29:59.177>I <00:29:59.588>mean,

675
00:29:59.985 --> 00:30:02.445
<00:29:59.985>you <00:30:00.140>are <00:30:00.296>always <00:30:00.451>losing <00:30:00.607>too <00:30:00.762>much <00:30:00.918>time <00:30:01.073>along <00:30:01.229>the <00:30:01.385>way,

676
00:30:02.445 --> 00:30:05.925
<00:30:02.445>because <00:30:02.620>I <00:30:02.794>mean, <00:30:02.970>if <00:30:03.145>you're <00:30:03.320>already <00:30:03.495>too <00:30:03.669>late <00:30:03.845>to,

677
00:30:06.105 --> 00:30:07.405
<00:30:06.105>to <00:30:06.397>slow <00:30:06.690>down <00:30:06.982>the <00:30:07.275>process

678
00:30:07.705 --> 00:30:10.085
<00:30:07.705>by <00:30:07.938>taking <00:30:08.171>this <00:30:08.405>important <00:30:08.638>step <00:30:08.871>into <00:30:09.105>it,

679
00:30:10.105 --> 00:30:11.245
<00:30:10.105>uh, <00:30:10.361>makes <00:30:10.618>it <00:30:10.874>even <00:30:11.130>slower.

680
00:30:11.895 --> 00:30:14.745
<00:30:11.895>Yeah. <00:30:12.175>Right. <00:30:12.455>How <00:30:12.735>important <00:30:13.014>is <00:30:13.295>it

681
00:30:14.745 --> 00:30:16.865
<00:30:14.745>to <00:30:15.024>come <00:30:15.304>into <00:30:15.584>the <00:30:15.864>proactive <00:30:16.145>modes?

682
00:30:18.025 --> 00:30:20.915
<00:30:18.025>Very <00:30:18.375>important. <00:30:18.725>Um, <00:30:19.075>not <00:30:19.425>easy.

683
00:30:23.735 --> 00:30:26.715
<00:30:23.735>So <00:30:23.890>this, <00:30:24.046>I <00:30:24.201>think, <00:30:24.357>I <00:30:24.512>think <00:30:24.668>a <00:30:24.823>lot <00:30:24.979>of <00:30:25.135>companies

684
00:30:26.715 --> 00:30:29.675
<00:30:26.715>and <00:30:26.855>a <00:30:26.995>lot <00:30:27.135>of <00:30:27.274>teams <00:30:27.415>are <00:30:27.554>really <00:30:27.695>trying <00:30:27.834>to <00:30:27.975>be <00:30:28.115>proactive,

685
00:30:29.815 --> 00:30:31.515
<00:30:29.815>but <00:30:30.281>by <00:30:30.748>being <00:30:31.215>proactive

686
00:30:31.515 --> 00:30:35.355
<00:30:31.515>and <00:30:31.715>being <00:30:31.915>accurately <00:30:32.115>proactive <00:30:32.315>on <00:30:32.515>hiring, <00:30:32.715>you <00:30:32.915>have

687
00:30:35.355 --> 00:30:37.515
<00:30:35.355>to <00:30:35.530>sometimes <00:30:35.705>be <00:30:35.880>able <00:30:36.055>to <00:30:36.230>look <00:30:36.405>into <00:30:36.580>the <00:30:36.755>future,

688
00:30:37.525 --> 00:30:40.635
<00:30:37.525>which <00:30:37.700>is <00:30:37.875>not <00:30:38.050>easy, <00:30:38.225>or <00:30:38.400>as <00:30:38.575>sometimes, <00:30:38.750>uh, <00:30:38.925>uh,

689
00:30:40.635 --> 00:30:42.155
<00:30:40.635>sometimes <00:30:40.863>you <00:30:41.091>think <00:30:41.319>it's <00:30:41.547>going <00:30:41.775>a <00:30:42.003>certain

690
00:30:42.155 --> 00:30:43.315
<00:30:42.155>way <00:30:42.416>and <00:30:42.677>then <00:30:42.938>it <00:30:43.199>changes.

691
00:30:43.495 --> 00:30:46.635
<00:30:43.495>Or <00:30:43.635>someone <00:30:43.774>that <00:30:43.915>seemed <00:30:44.054>to <00:30:44.195>be <00:30:44.334>very <00:30:44.475>happy <00:30:44.614>in <00:30:44.754>their <00:30:44.895>position

692
00:30:47.195 --> 00:30:48.475
<00:30:47.195>suddenly, <00:30:47.771>uh, <00:30:48.347>resides.

693
00:30:48.475 --> 00:30:50.635
<00:30:48.475>And <00:30:48.649>then <00:30:48.824>that <00:30:49.000>surprise, <00:30:49.175>there <00:30:49.350>is <00:30:49.524>lots <00:30:49.699>of <00:30:49.875>surprises,

694
00:30:50.775 --> 00:30:52.835
<00:30:50.775>but <00:30:50.930>it's <00:30:51.086>really <00:30:51.241>about <00:30:51.397>how <00:30:51.552>to <00:30:51.708>deal <00:30:51.863>with <00:30:52.019>those <00:30:52.175>surprises.

695
00:30:53.255 --> 00:30:57.075
<00:30:53.255>Uh, <00:30:53.382>how <00:30:53.509>do <00:30:53.636>you <00:30:53.764>know <00:30:53.891>what <00:30:54.018>type <00:30:54.145>of <00:30:54.273>skills <00:30:54.400>the <00:30:54.527>team <00:30:54.655>needs?

696
00:30:57.815 --> 00:30:59.195
<00:30:57.815>It <00:30:58.063>is <00:30:58.311>possible <00:30:58.560>to <00:30:58.808>look <00:30:59.057>ahead

697
00:30:59.215 --> 00:31:01.835
<00:30:59.215>and <00:30:59.370>say, <00:30:59.526>uh, <00:30:59.681>this <00:30:59.837>is <00:30:59.992>what <00:31:00.148>the <00:31:00.303>company <00:31:00.459>goals <00:31:00.615>are,

698
00:31:01.845 --> 00:31:03.915
<00:31:01.845>these <00:31:02.078>are <00:31:02.311>the <00:31:02.545>type <00:31:02.778>of <00:31:03.011>skills, <00:31:03.245>uh,

699
00:31:04.015 --> 00:31:07.315
<00:31:04.015>and, <00:31:04.170>um, <00:31:04.326>the <00:31:04.481>capacity <00:31:04.637>in <00:31:04.792>certain <00:31:04.948>skills <00:31:05.103>that <00:31:05.259>we <00:31:05.415>need.

700
00:31:07.335 --> 00:31:09.115
<00:31:07.335>And, <00:31:07.568>and <00:31:07.801>then, <00:31:08.035>you <00:31:08.268>know, <00:31:08.501>okay, <00:31:08.735>how,

701
00:31:10.215 --> 00:31:12.355
<00:31:10.215>how <00:31:10.448>proactively <00:31:10.681>should <00:31:10.915>we <00:31:11.148>engage <00:31:11.381>with <00:31:11.615>certain

702
00:31:12.875 --> 00:31:13.995
<00:31:12.875>networks, <00:31:13.379>certain <00:31:13.882>people?

703
00:31:14.375 --> 00:31:16.435
<00:31:14.375>So <00:31:14.575>you <00:31:14.775>can, <00:31:14.975>you <00:31:15.175>can <00:31:15.375>act <00:31:15.575>on <00:31:15.775>it,

704
00:31:16.735 --> 00:31:19.865
<00:31:16.735>but <00:31:17.014>hiring <00:31:17.294>is <00:31:17.574>a <00:31:17.854>bit <00:31:18.135>unpredictable.

705
00:31:19.865 --> 00:31:24.695
<00:31:19.865>That, <00:31:20.005>that <00:31:20.145>way <00:31:20.285>if <00:31:20.425>you <00:31:20.565>really <00:31:20.705>commit <00:31:20.845>to, <00:31:20.985>uh, <00:31:21.125>high <00:31:21.265>quality,

706
00:31:24.695 --> 00:31:27.895
<00:31:24.695>high <00:31:24.870>impact <00:31:25.044>hiring, <00:31:25.220>which <00:31:25.395>is <00:31:25.570>also <00:31:25.745>values <00:31:25.919>aligned, <00:31:26.095>uh,

707
00:31:29.645 --> 00:31:32.305
<00:31:29.645>you <00:31:29.761>never <00:31:29.878>know <00:31:29.995>if <00:31:30.111>the <00:31:30.228>person <00:31:30.345>on <00:31:30.461>paper <00:31:30.578>is <00:31:30.695>also <00:31:30.811>going <00:31:30.928>to <00:31:31.045>be

708
00:31:32.305 --> 00:31:33.785
<00:31:32.305>that <00:31:32.638>great <00:31:32.971>match <00:31:33.304>in <00:31:33.637>reality.

709
00:31:34.365 --> 00:31:36.065
<00:31:34.365>Uh, <00:31:34.715>so <00:31:35.065>then <00:31:35.415>it, <00:31:35.765>yeah.

710
00:31:36.325 --> 00:31:39.145
<00:31:36.325>Our <00:31:36.465>reality <00:31:36.605>has <00:31:36.745>been <00:31:36.885>that <00:31:37.025>sometimes <00:31:37.165>it <00:31:37.305>takes <00:31:37.445>longer <00:31:37.585>than <00:31:37.725>we

711
00:31:39.145 --> 00:31:41.385
<00:31:39.145>really <00:31:39.300>want <00:31:39.456>to <00:31:39.611>be <00:31:39.767>able <00:31:39.922>to <00:31:40.078>solve <00:31:40.233>the <00:31:40.389>right <00:31:40.545>match

712
00:31:41.895 --> 00:31:43.425
<00:31:41.895>that <00:31:42.239>can <00:31:42.583>be <00:31:42.927>extremely <00:31:43.272>painful.

713
00:31:44.085 --> 00:31:48.345
<00:31:44.085>Um, <00:31:44.225>and <00:31:44.365>it's <00:31:44.505>not <00:31:44.645>so <00:31:44.785>easy <00:31:44.925>to <00:31:45.065>really <00:31:45.205>stay <00:31:45.345>committed <00:31:45.485>to

714
00:31:48.345 --> 00:31:50.185
<00:31:48.345>that <00:31:48.520>level <00:31:48.695>of <00:31:48.870>the <00:31:49.045>quality <00:31:49.220>that <00:31:49.395>you <00:31:49.570>really <00:31:49.745>need.

715
00:31:50.685 --> 00:31:52.385
<00:31:50.685>Um, <00:31:50.965>we <00:31:51.245>have <00:31:51.524>also <00:31:51.804>learned <00:31:52.085>that

716
00:31:53.245 --> 00:31:55.745
<00:31:53.245>if <00:31:53.400>we <00:31:53.556>compromise <00:31:53.711>a <00:31:53.867>little <00:31:54.022>bit <00:31:54.178>too <00:31:54.333>much, <00:31:54.489>uh, <00:31:54.645>yeah.

717
00:31:56.005 --> 00:31:57.905
<00:31:56.005>And <00:31:56.238>it's, <00:31:56.471>it <00:31:56.705>wasn't <00:31:56.938>really <00:31:57.171>worth <00:31:57.405>it.

718
00:31:58.405 --> 00:32:02.975
<00:31:58.405>So, <00:31:59.105>um, <00:31:59.805>since

719
00:32:03.825 --> 00:32:04.935
<00:32:03.825>let's <00:32:04.074>say <00:32:04.324>dedication <00:32:04.574>to <00:32:04.824>graft

720
00:32:04.935 --> 00:32:06.655
<00:32:04.935>and <00:32:05.110>all <00:32:05.284>these <00:32:05.460>other <00:32:05.635>values <00:32:05.810>that <00:32:05.985>we <00:32:06.159>care <00:32:06.335>about,

721
00:32:06.795 --> 00:32:10.575
<00:32:06.795>if <00:32:06.935>we <00:32:07.075>really <00:32:07.215>believe <00:32:07.355>that, <00:32:07.495>uh, <00:32:07.635>is <00:32:07.775>commitment <00:32:07.915>also <00:32:08.055>from <00:32:08.195>the,

722
00:32:10.875 --> 00:32:13.855
<00:32:10.875>the, <00:32:11.050>from <00:32:11.225>the <00:32:11.400>hiring <00:32:11.575>managers <00:32:11.750>to, <00:32:11.925>to <00:32:12.100>make <00:32:12.275>sure

723
00:32:13.855 --> 00:32:14.855
<00:32:13.855>that <00:32:14.035>we <00:32:14.215>find <00:32:14.395>the <00:32:14.575>right <00:32:14.755>person.

724
00:32:15.115 --> 00:32:16.735
<00:32:15.115>Mm-hmm. <00:32:15.581>Uh, <00:32:16.048>and <00:32:16.515>then

725
00:32:18.125 --> 00:32:20.735
<00:32:18.125>what <00:32:18.265>we <00:32:18.405>do <00:32:18.545>is <00:32:18.685>sometimes <00:32:18.825>if <00:32:18.965>there <00:32:19.105>is <00:32:19.245>really <00:32:19.385>an <00:32:19.525>urgency,

726
00:32:20.805 --> 00:32:22.775
<00:32:20.805>then <00:32:21.085>yeah, <00:32:21.365>we, <00:32:21.645>we <00:32:21.925>find, <00:32:22.205>uh,

727
00:32:22.775 --> 00:32:24.655
<00:32:22.775>someone <00:32:23.055>overqualified <00:32:23.335>in <00:32:23.615>an <00:32:23.895>interim <00:32:24.175>role

728
00:32:24.725 --> 00:32:26.575
<00:32:24.725>that <00:32:24.899>is <00:32:25.074>maybe <00:32:25.250>helping <00:32:25.425>us <00:32:25.600>out <00:32:25.774>for <00:32:25.949>the <00:32:26.125>meanwhile,

729
00:32:27.035 --> 00:32:30.935
<00:32:27.035>or <00:32:27.210>this <00:32:27.385>is <00:32:27.560>sometimes <00:32:27.735>also <00:32:27.910>deprioritizing <00:32:28.085>some <00:32:28.260>business <00:32:28.435>goals

730
00:32:30.935 --> 00:32:34.575
<00:32:30.935>because <00:32:31.090>we <00:32:31.246>haven't <00:32:31.401>been <00:32:31.557>able <00:32:31.712>to, <00:32:31.868>to, <00:32:32.023>to <00:32:32.179>predict <00:32:32.335>mm-hmm.

731
00:32:34.655 --> 00:32:37.895
<00:32:34.655>Hiring <00:32:34.810>needs <00:32:34.966>well <00:32:35.121>enough. <00:32:35.277>That <00:32:35.432>can <00:32:35.588>be <00:32:35.743>very, <00:32:35.899>uh, <00:32:36.055>yeah.

732
00:32:38.435 --> 00:32:41.285
<00:32:38.435>Uh, <00:32:38.610>tough <00:32:38.784>realization, <00:32:38.960>but <00:32:39.135>sometimes <00:32:39.310>that <00:32:39.485>is <00:32:39.659>a <00:32:39.835>reality.

733
00:32:41.745 --> 00:32:44.565
<00:32:41.745>Mm-hmm. <00:32:42.211>But <00:32:42.678>yeah. <00:32:43.145>Yeah.

734
00:32:44.985 --> 00:32:47.525
<00:32:44.985>If <00:32:45.140>you <00:32:45.296>can <00:32:45.451>stay <00:32:45.607>away <00:32:45.762>from <00:32:45.918>higher <00:32:46.073>fast, <00:32:46.229>because <00:32:46.385>Yeah.

735
00:32:48.765 --> 00:32:49.925
<00:32:48.765>In <00:32:49.026>the <00:32:49.287>future. <00:32:49.548>Yeah, <00:32:49.809>yeah.

736
00:32:50.385 --> 00:32:51.605
<00:32:50.385>For, <00:32:50.659>for <00:32:50.934>sure. <00:32:51.208>For <00:32:51.483>sure.

737
00:32:51.765 --> 00:32:53.885
<00:32:51.765>I <00:32:51.940>think, <00:32:52.115>I <00:32:52.290>think <00:32:52.465>as <00:32:52.640>less <00:32:52.815>compromises <00:32:52.990>as <00:32:53.165>possible.

738
00:32:53.885 --> 00:32:55.205
<00:32:53.885>Yeah, <00:32:54.182>of <00:32:54.479>course. <00:32:54.775>Yes. <00:32:55.072>Yes.

739
00:32:55.625 --> 00:32:58.245
<00:32:55.625>Uh, <00:32:55.825>uh, <00:32:56.025>I <00:32:56.225>want <00:32:56.425>to <00:32:56.625>stress <00:32:56.825>another <00:32:57.025>point.

740
00:32:58.445 --> 00:33:00.765
<00:32:58.445>I <00:32:58.572>mean, <00:32:58.699>we <00:32:58.826>are <00:32:58.954>now <00:32:59.081>living <00:32:59.208>in <00:32:59.335>a <00:32:59.463>world <00:32:59.590>where <00:32:59.717>we, <00:32:59.845>with,

741
00:33:00.915 --> 00:33:03.565
<00:33:00.915>with <00:33:01.115>pandemic, <00:33:01.315>we <00:33:01.514>started <00:33:01.715>to <00:33:01.915>be <00:33:02.115>full <00:33:02.315>remote,

742
00:33:03.585 --> 00:33:05.685
<00:33:03.585>and <00:33:03.785>now <00:33:03.985>we're <00:33:04.185>coming <00:33:04.385>back <00:33:04.585>to <00:33:04.785>hybrid <00:33:04.985>models.

743
00:33:06.385 --> 00:33:08.245
<00:33:06.385>How, <00:33:06.735>how <00:33:07.085>difficult <00:33:07.435>is <00:33:07.785>it?

744
00:33:08.265 --> 00:33:12.005
<00:33:08.265>Is <00:33:08.392>it <00:33:08.519>ex, <00:33:08.646>is <00:33:08.774>it <00:33:08.901>adding <00:33:09.028>extra <00:33:09.155>complexity <00:33:09.283>to, <00:33:09.410>to <00:33:09.537>this <00:33:09.665>kind

745
00:33:12.005 --> 00:33:13.125
<00:33:12.005>of <00:33:12.509>value-based <00:33:13.013>hiring?

746
00:33:13.625 --> 00:33:16.765
<00:33:13.625>Uh, <00:33:13.765>because <00:33:13.905>I <00:33:14.045>mean, <00:33:14.185>it's <00:33:14.325>much <00:33:14.465>easier <00:33:14.605>to <00:33:14.745>see <00:33:14.885>the <00:33:15.025>behavior

747
00:33:16.785 --> 00:33:19.765
<00:33:16.785>of <00:33:16.912>people <00:33:17.039>if <00:33:17.166>you <00:33:17.294>are <00:33:17.421>around <00:33:17.548>with <00:33:17.675>them <00:33:17.803>40 <00:33:17.930>hours <00:33:18.057>a <00:33:18.185>week,

748
00:33:20.465 --> 00:33:21.885
<00:33:20.465>and <00:33:20.890>it's <00:33:21.317>probably <00:33:21.743>difficult,

749
00:33:21.885 --> 00:33:23.525
<00:33:21.885>more <00:33:22.118>difficult <00:33:22.351>if <00:33:22.585>they're <00:33:22.818>staying <00:33:23.051>at <00:33:23.285>home.

750
00:33:24.715 --> 00:33:27.525
<00:33:24.715>What, <00:33:24.870>what, <00:33:25.026>what, <00:33:25.181>what <00:33:25.337>is <00:33:25.492>your <00:33:25.648>take <00:33:25.803>on <00:33:25.959>this <00:33:26.115>one?

751
00:33:27.825 --> 00:33:29.725
<00:33:27.825>How <00:33:28.058>could, <00:33:28.291>uh, <00:33:28.525>could <00:33:28.758>this <00:33:28.991>be <00:33:29.225>handled?

752
00:33:29.865 --> 00:33:30.925
<00:33:29.865>Uh, <00:33:30.103>because <00:33:30.342>I <00:33:30.580>mean, <00:33:30.819>we,

753
00:33:31.245 --> 00:33:32.805
<00:33:31.245>I <00:33:31.445>think <00:33:31.645>it <00:33:31.844>won't, <00:33:32.044>it <00:33:32.245>won't <00:33:32.445>pass <00:33:32.645>away.

754
00:33:32.965 --> 00:33:35.685
<00:33:32.965>I <00:33:33.120>think <00:33:33.276>the <00:33:33.431>hybrid <00:33:33.587>models <00:33:33.742>is <00:33:33.898>probably <00:33:34.053>the <00:33:34.209>future <00:33:34.365>model.

755
00:33:36.665 --> 00:33:38.605
<00:33:36.665>Yes. <00:33:36.898>Well, <00:33:37.131>uh, <00:33:37.365>we <00:33:37.598>are <00:33:37.831>also, <00:33:38.065>uh,

756
00:33:38.605 --> 00:33:39.885
<00:33:38.605>working <00:33:38.893>with <00:33:39.181>a <00:33:39.469>hybrid <00:33:39.757>model.

757
00:33:40.065 --> 00:33:43.245
<00:33:40.065>We <00:33:40.192>have, <00:33:40.319>um, <00:33:40.446>at <00:33:40.574>least <00:33:40.701>two <00:33:40.828>days <00:33:40.955>at <00:33:41.083>the <00:33:41.210>office <00:33:41.337>policy. <00:33:41.465>Mm-hmm.

758
00:33:43.325 --> 00:33:44.765
<00:33:43.325>Uh, <00:33:43.584>or <00:33:43.843>globally, <00:33:44.102>but <00:33:44.361>that <00:33:44.621>means

759
00:33:44.765 --> 00:33:47.365
<00:33:44.765>that <00:33:44.905>we <00:33:45.045>relocate <00:33:45.185>people <00:33:45.325>when <00:33:45.465>we, <00:33:45.605>we <00:33:45.745>want <00:33:45.885>to <00:33:46.025>hire <00:33:46.165>them.

760
00:33:47.745 --> 00:33:49.085
<00:33:47.745>Uh, <00:33:47.895>so <00:33:48.046>this <00:33:48.197>is <00:33:48.348>what <00:33:48.498>we <00:33:48.649>have <00:33:48.800>in <00:33:48.951>place,

761
00:33:49.085 --> 00:33:53.565
<00:33:49.085>and <00:33:49.225>I <00:33:49.365>think <00:33:49.505>this <00:33:49.645>hybrid <00:33:49.785>model <00:33:49.925>is <00:33:50.065>not <00:33:50.205>really <00:33:50.345>impacting <00:33:50.485>our

762
00:33:53.565 --> 00:33:55.245
<00:33:53.565>values-based <00:33:54.031>hiring <00:33:54.498>so <00:33:54.965>much.

763
00:33:55.505 --> 00:33:56.925
<00:33:55.505>Mm-hmm. <00:33:55.931>Maybe <00:33:56.357>two <00:33:56.783>ways.

764
00:33:57.365 --> 00:34:01.085
<00:33:57.365>I <00:33:57.492>think <00:33:57.619>maybe <00:33:57.746>the, <00:33:57.874>the <00:33:58.001>choice <00:33:58.128>to <00:33:58.255>do <00:33:58.383>hybrid <00:33:58.510>and <00:33:58.637>not <00:33:58.765>remote

765
00:34:01.085 --> 00:34:03.605
<00:34:01.085>because <00:34:01.318>we, <00:34:01.551>we <00:34:01.785>don't <00:34:02.018>really, <00:34:02.251>uh, <00:34:02.485>choose

766
00:34:03.665 --> 00:34:06.125
<00:34:03.665>for <00:34:03.898>the <00:34:04.131>fully <00:34:04.365>remote, <00:34:04.598>uh, <00:34:04.831>structure <00:34:05.065>mm-hmm.

767
00:34:06.205 --> 00:34:08.405
<00:34:06.205>Is <00:34:06.379>because <00:34:06.554>we <00:34:06.730>value <00:34:06.905>these <00:34:07.080>values <00:34:07.254>so <00:34:07.429>much. <00:34:07.605>Mm-hmm.

768
00:34:08.405 --> 00:34:11.325
<00:34:08.405>And <00:34:08.560>we <00:34:08.716>think <00:34:08.871>this, <00:34:09.027>you <00:34:09.182>know, <00:34:09.338>the <00:34:09.493>magic <00:34:09.649>glue, <00:34:09.805>uh,

769
00:34:11.345 --> 00:34:14.845
<00:34:11.344>and <00:34:11.484>a <00:34:11.625>lot <00:34:11.764>of <00:34:11.904>people <00:34:12.044>really <00:34:12.185>appreciate <00:34:12.324>in <00:34:12.464>working <00:34:12.605>at <00:34:12.745>Polar

770
00:34:14.845 --> 00:34:16.365
<00:34:14.844>Steps, <00:34:15.072>and <00:34:15.301>we <00:34:15.529>really <00:34:15.756>wanna <00:34:15.984>make <00:34:16.212>sure

771
00:34:16.365 --> 00:34:18.485
<00:34:16.364>that <00:34:16.645>everyone <00:34:16.924>can <00:34:17.205>enjoy <00:34:17.484>that <00:34:17.764>Yeah.

772
00:34:18.745 --> 00:34:20.245
<00:34:18.745>As <00:34:19.082>much <00:34:19.420>as <00:34:19.757>possible. <00:34:20.094>So

773
00:34:20.315 --> 00:34:22.765
<00:34:20.315>therefore, <00:34:20.514>hybrid <00:34:20.715>is <00:34:20.915>the <00:34:21.115>choice <00:34:21.315>that <00:34:21.514>we <00:34:21.715>made.

774
00:34:22.765 --> 00:34:26.645
<00:34:22.764>Mm-hmm. <00:34:22.920>Um, <00:34:23.076>the <00:34:23.231>other <00:34:23.387>way <00:34:23.542>around, <00:34:23.698>when <00:34:23.853>you <00:34:24.009>hire <00:34:24.165>people

775
00:34:26.715 --> 00:34:28.405
<00:34:26.715>that <00:34:26.995>are <00:34:27.275>currently <00:34:27.555>based <00:34:27.835>at <00:34:28.115>the

776
00:34:28.405 --> 00:34:29.445
<00:34:28.405>other <00:34:28.592>end <00:34:28.779>of <00:34:28.966>the <00:34:29.153>world, <00:34:29.341>yeah.

777
00:34:29.985 --> 00:34:33.485
<00:34:29.985>We <00:34:30.125>are <00:34:30.265>not <00:34:30.405>flying <00:34:30.545>in <00:34:30.685>everyone <00:34:30.825>for <00:34:30.965>mm-hmm. <00:34:31.105>The <00:34:31.245>office. <00:34:31.385>Yeah.

778
00:34:33.485 --> 00:34:36.605
<00:34:33.485>Um, <00:34:33.640>not <00:34:33.796>practical, <00:34:33.951>also <00:34:34.107>not <00:34:34.262>very <00:34:34.418>good <00:34:34.573>for <00:34:34.729>the <00:34:34.885>environment.

779
00:34:36.605 --> 00:34:39.165
<00:34:36.605>You <00:34:36.780>know, <00:34:36.955>there's <00:34:37.130>d <00:34:37.304>there's <00:34:37.480>very <00:34:37.655>various <00:34:37.830>reasons. <00:34:38.005>Yeah.

780
00:34:39.265 --> 00:34:42.405
<00:34:39.264>And <00:34:39.392>all <00:34:39.519>for <00:34:39.646>very <00:34:39.774>high <00:34:39.901>impact <00:34:40.028>senior <00:34:40.155>roles, <00:34:40.283>we <00:34:40.410>might <00:34:40.537>do <00:34:40.665>that,

781
00:34:42.665 --> 00:34:43.965
<00:34:42.665>but <00:34:42.860>not <00:34:43.054>for, <00:34:43.250>for <00:34:43.445>all <00:34:43.640>the <00:34:43.835>roles.

782
00:34:44.145 --> 00:34:46.845
<00:34:44.145>Mm-hmm. <00:34:44.344>Um, <00:34:44.545>and <00:34:44.745>then <00:34:44.945>we <00:34:45.145>have <00:34:45.344>a <00:34:45.545>remote

783
00:34:46.845 --> 00:34:48.085
<00:34:46.844>version <00:34:47.031>of <00:34:47.216>the <00:34:47.402>day <00:34:47.589>at <00:34:47.775>the <00:34:47.961>office.

784
00:34:48.505 --> 00:34:51.845
<00:34:48.505>Um, <00:34:48.632>it's <00:34:48.759>not <00:34:48.886>as <00:34:49.014>great <00:34:49.141>as <00:34:49.268>the <00:34:49.395>real <00:34:49.523>day <00:34:49.650>at <00:34:49.777>the <00:34:49.905>office.

785
00:34:52.025 --> 00:34:53.125
<00:34:52.025>Um, <00:34:52.223>I <00:34:52.421>have <00:34:52.619>to <00:34:52.817>be <00:34:53.014>honest,

786
00:34:53.505 --> 00:34:55.645
<00:34:53.505>but <00:34:53.660>we <00:34:53.816>try <00:34:53.971>to <00:34:54.127>simulate <00:34:54.282>this <00:34:54.438>as <00:34:54.593>much <00:34:54.749>as <00:34:54.905>possible.

787
00:34:55.985 --> 00:34:58.645
<00:34:55.985>Uh, <00:34:56.140>we <00:34:56.296>set <00:34:56.451>up <00:34:56.607>slack <00:34:56.762>channels. <00:34:56.918>There <00:34:57.073>is <00:34:57.229>frequent <00:34:57.385>check-ins.

788
00:34:58.785 --> 00:35:02.645
<00:34:58.785>Uh, <00:34:58.940>the <00:34:59.096>team <00:34:59.251>is <00:34:59.407>available <00:34:59.562>for <00:34:59.718>answering <00:34:59.873>any <00:35:00.029>questions, <00:35:00.185>uh,

789
00:35:02.885 --> 00:35:05.485
<00:35:02.885>simulate <00:35:03.025>a <00:35:03.165>bit <00:35:03.305>what <00:35:03.445>it <00:35:03.585>might <00:35:03.725>be <00:35:03.865>like <00:35:04.005>to <00:35:04.145>work <00:35:04.285>together.

790
00:35:05.985 --> 00:35:08.565
<00:35:05.985>Uh, <00:35:06.185>and <00:35:06.385>there's <00:35:06.585>always <00:35:06.785>video <00:35:06.985>calls <00:35:07.185>and <00:35:07.385>Yeah.

791
00:35:08.785 --> 00:35:12.045
<00:35:08.785>Um, <00:35:08.960>quite, <00:35:09.134>quite <00:35:09.310>a <00:35:09.484>high <00:35:09.660>involvement <00:35:09.835>of <00:35:10.009>the <00:35:10.185>team

792
00:35:12.105 --> 00:35:13.245
<00:35:12.105>to, <00:35:12.447>to <00:35:12.788>facilitate <00:35:13.131>that.

793
00:35:14.175 --> 00:35:17.565
<00:35:14.175>There <00:35:14.455>is <00:35:14.735>questions <00:35:15.015>on <00:35:15.295>values <00:35:15.575>alignment.

794
00:35:17.805 --> 00:35:21.265
<00:35:17.805>I <00:35:17.980>think <00:35:18.154>we <00:35:18.330>are, <00:35:18.504>because <00:35:18.680>we <00:35:18.855>can't <00:35:19.029>really <00:35:19.205>see

795
00:35:21.265 --> 00:35:22.425
<00:35:21.265>the <00:35:21.526>person <00:35:21.787>in <00:35:22.048>real <00:35:22.309>life.

796
00:35:22.685 --> 00:35:24.905
<00:35:22.685>We <00:35:22.884>are <00:35:23.085>a <00:35:23.285>little <00:35:23.485>careful <00:35:23.685>because, <00:35:23.884>uh, <00:35:24.085>yeah.

797
00:35:25.245 --> 00:35:27.025
<00:35:25.245>We, <00:35:25.420>we, <00:35:25.595>we <00:35:25.770>just <00:35:25.944>really <00:35:26.120>want <00:35:26.295>to <00:35:26.470>be <00:35:26.645>sure,

798
00:35:27.365 --> 00:35:29.825
<00:35:27.365>but <00:35:27.504>we <00:35:27.645>try <00:35:27.785>our <00:35:27.924>best <00:35:28.064>to <00:35:28.205>get <00:35:28.345>most <00:35:28.484>out <00:35:28.625>of <00:35:28.765>the,

799
00:35:30.165 --> 00:35:33.585
<00:35:30.165>the <00:35:30.320>remote <00:35:30.476>hiring, <00:35:30.631>um, <00:35:30.787>opportunity, <00:35:30.942>uh, <00:35:31.098>that, <00:35:31.253>that <00:35:31.409>we <00:35:31.565>do,

800
00:35:34.045 --> 00:35:35.105
<00:35:34.045>um, <00:35:34.999>yeah.

801
00:35:35.105 --> 00:35:38.645
<00:35:35.105>That <00:35:35.305>we <00:35:35.505>do <00:35:35.705>use. <00:35:35.905>Yeah. <00:35:36.105>Less, <00:35:36.305>less <00:35:36.505>easy.

802
00:35:38.785 --> 00:35:40.325
<00:35:38.785>If <00:35:39.015>people <00:35:39.247>are <00:35:39.478>able <00:35:39.709>to <00:35:39.939>come <00:35:40.171>in

803
00:35:40.425 --> 00:35:43.605
<00:35:40.425>and <00:35:40.625>really <00:35:40.825>meet <00:35:41.025>with <00:35:41.225>us, <00:35:41.425>that <00:35:41.625>is <00:35:41.825>the,

804
00:35:43.605 --> 00:35:44.805
<00:35:43.605>the <00:35:43.875>best <00:35:44.145>practice <00:35:44.415>for <00:35:44.685>us.

805
00:35:44.915 --> 00:35:45.915
Yeah.

806
00:35:46.675 --> 00:35:49.165
<00:35:46.675>Last <00:35:46.802>question. <00:35:46.929>As <00:35:47.056>we <00:35:47.184>have <00:35:47.311>to <00:35:47.438>come <00:35:47.565>to <00:35:47.693>an <00:35:47.820>end, <00:35:47.947>I <00:35:48.075>mean,

807
00:35:49.195 --> 00:35:51.405
<00:35:49.195>this <00:35:49.370>time <00:35:49.545>is <00:35:49.720>going <00:35:49.895>passing <00:35:50.070>on <00:35:50.245>so, <00:35:50.420>so <00:35:50.595>quickly.

808
00:35:52.105 --> 00:35:57.005
<00:35:52.105>Um, <00:35:52.280>what <00:35:52.455>role <00:35:52.630>does <00:35:52.805>storytelling <00:35:52.980>play <00:35:53.155>if <00:35:53.330>it <00:35:53.505>comes

809
00:35:57.105 --> 00:36:01.045
<00:35:57.105>to <00:35:57.280>higher <00:35:57.455>on <00:35:57.630>a <00:35:57.805>value <00:35:57.980>based <00:35:58.155>level <00:35:58.330>as <00:35:58.505>well?

810
00:36:01.225 --> 00:36:04.445
<00:36:01.225>So <00:36:01.458>for <00:36:01.691>value <00:36:01.924>based <00:36:02.158>recruiting, <00:36:02.391>I <00:36:02.625>mean,

811
00:36:04.825 --> 00:36:06.045
<00:36:04.825>you <00:36:05.044>have <00:36:05.264>to <00:36:05.483>tell <00:36:05.703>a <00:36:05.923>story.

812
00:36:06.105 --> 00:36:09.325
<00:36:06.105>You <00:36:06.232>have <00:36:06.359>to <00:36:06.486>be <00:36:06.614>authentic, <00:36:06.741>you <00:36:06.868>have <00:36:06.995>to <00:36:07.123>be <00:36:07.250>on <00:36:07.377>the <00:36:07.505>point.

813
00:36:10.145 --> 00:36:13.365
<00:36:10.145>Um, <00:36:10.285>how <00:36:10.425>important <00:36:10.565>do <00:36:10.705>you <00:36:10.845>think <00:36:10.985>is <00:36:11.125>storytelling <00:36:11.265>for <00:36:11.405>that? <00:36:11.545>It,

814
00:36:15.365 --> 00:36:16.525
<00:36:15.365>I <00:36:15.625>think <00:36:15.886>it's <00:36:16.148>super <00:36:16.409>important.

815
00:36:17.185 --> 00:36:21.615
<00:36:17.185>Um, <00:36:17.384>there's <00:36:17.585>even <00:36:17.785>a <00:36:17.985>parallel <00:36:18.185>to <00:36:18.384>our, <00:36:18.585>um,

816
00:36:21.965 --> 00:36:23.975
<00:36:21.965>product, <00:36:22.245>which <00:36:22.525>is <00:36:22.805>also <00:36:23.085>about <00:36:23.365>storytelling.

817
00:36:23.995 --> 00:36:27.975
<00:36:23.995>Uh <00:36:24.150>mm-hmm. <00:36:24.306>In <00:36:24.461>values <00:36:24.617>based <00:36:24.772>hiring, <00:36:24.928>it <00:36:25.083>is <00:36:25.239>about, <00:36:25.395>uh,

818
00:36:28.305 --> 00:36:30.495
<00:36:28.305>being <00:36:28.585>authentic <00:36:28.865>and <00:36:29.145>showing <00:36:29.424>something <00:36:29.705>real.

819
00:36:30.995 --> 00:36:35.135
<00:36:30.995>Um, <00:36:31.170>for <00:36:31.345>everyone <00:36:31.520>who <00:36:31.694>is <00:36:31.870>involved <00:36:32.045>in <00:36:32.220>these <00:36:32.395>interviews,

820
00:36:35.805 --> 00:36:38.415
<00:36:35.805>they, <00:36:36.004>well, <00:36:36.205>we <00:36:36.404>encourage <00:36:36.605>them <00:36:36.805>to <00:36:37.004>tell <00:36:37.205>their,

821
00:36:38.545 --> 00:36:41.175
<00:36:38.545>their <00:36:38.778>own <00:36:39.011>authentic <00:36:39.245>stories <00:36:39.478>to <00:36:39.711>create <00:36:39.945>context

822
00:36:41.435 --> 00:36:45.015
<00:36:41.435>before <00:36:41.590>diving <00:36:41.746>into <00:36:41.901>a <00:36:42.057>topic <00:36:42.212>so <00:36:42.368>people <00:36:42.523>understand, <00:36:42.679>you <00:36:42.835>know,

823
00:36:45.015 --> 00:36:46.015
<00:36:45.015>what <00:36:45.240>are <00:36:45.464>we <00:36:45.690>talking <00:36:45.915>about?

824
00:36:46.635 --> 00:36:48.655
<00:36:46.635>Um, <00:36:46.790>even <00:36:46.946>the <00:36:47.101>people <00:36:47.257>that <00:36:47.412>are <00:36:47.568>maybe <00:36:47.723>not <00:36:47.879>so <00:36:48.035>used

825
00:36:48.655 --> 00:36:49.935
<00:36:48.655>to <00:36:49.231>values <00:36:49.807>mm-hmm.

826
00:36:50.145 --> 00:36:53.055
<00:36:50.145>Those <00:36:50.345>interviewing <00:36:50.545>as <00:36:50.745>not <00:36:50.945>supernatural <00:36:51.145>for <00:36:51.345>everyone <00:36:51.545>yet.

827
00:36:53.195 --> 00:36:55.335
<00:36:53.195>Mm-hmm. <00:36:53.428>Uh, <00:36:53.661>so <00:36:53.895>we <00:36:54.128>also <00:36:54.361>use <00:36:54.595>storytelling

828
00:36:55.475 --> 00:36:57.935
<00:36:55.475>and <00:36:55.708>creating <00:36:55.941>context, <00:36:56.174>uh, <00:36:56.408>to <00:36:56.641>help <00:36:56.875>people

829
00:36:58.235 --> 00:36:59.215
<00:36:58.235>and <00:36:58.455>show <00:36:58.676>people, <00:36:58.896>okay, <00:36:59.117>this

830
00:36:59.215 --> 00:37:00.215
<00:36:59.215>is <00:36:59.395>the <00:36:59.575>direction <00:36:59.755>that <00:36:59.935>we're <00:37:00.115>going.

831
00:37:00.795 --> 00:37:02.175
<00:37:00.795>Um, <00:37:02.037>yeah.

832
00:37:02.335 --> 00:37:05.375
<00:37:02.335>I <00:37:02.462>think, <00:37:02.589>I <00:37:02.716>think <00:37:02.844>it's <00:37:02.971>a <00:37:03.098>very <00:37:03.225>powerful <00:37:03.353>tool <00:37:03.480>to, <00:37:03.607>to <00:37:03.735>connect

833
00:37:05.375 --> 00:37:06.975
<00:37:05.375>and <00:37:05.530>to <00:37:05.686>see, <00:37:05.841>okay, <00:37:05.997>this <00:37:06.152>is <00:37:06.308>what <00:37:06.463>we're <00:37:06.619>talking <00:37:06.775>about.

834
00:37:07.555 --> 00:37:09.495
<00:37:07.555>Uh, <00:37:07.694>and <00:37:07.835>to <00:37:07.975>make <00:37:08.115>sure <00:37:08.254>that <00:37:08.395>if <00:37:08.535>we <00:37:08.674>speak <00:37:08.815>the <00:37:08.955>same

835
00:37:09.495 --> 00:37:10.935
<00:37:09.495>words, <00:37:09.754>we <00:37:10.013>have <00:37:10.272>the <00:37:10.531>same <00:37:10.791>meaning.

836
00:37:11.875 --> 00:37:13.615
<00:37:11.875>Uh, <00:37:12.155>it <00:37:12.435>it <00:37:12.715>means <00:37:12.995>the <00:37:13.275>same.

837
00:37:13.875 --> 00:37:17.055
<00:37:13.875>So <00:37:14.030>yeah, <00:37:14.186>it's <00:37:14.341>a <00:37:14.497>very <00:37:14.652>important <00:37:14.808>tool <00:37:14.963>to <00:37:15.119>use. <00:37:15.275>Mm-hmm.

838
00:37:17.135 --> 00:37:18.695
<00:37:17.135>Uh, <00:37:17.601>for <00:37:18.068>experienced <00:37:18.535>interviewers,

839
00:37:18.695 --> 00:37:20.695
<00:37:18.695>it's <00:37:18.850>a <00:37:19.006>bit <00:37:19.161>more <00:37:19.317>a <00:37:19.472>natural <00:37:19.628>thing <00:37:19.783>to <00:37:19.939>do <00:37:20.095>already.

840
00:37:21.075 --> 00:37:23.055
<00:37:21.075>For <00:37:21.250>people <00:37:21.424>that <00:37:21.600>are <00:37:21.774>new <00:37:21.950>to <00:37:22.125>interviewing, <00:37:22.299>it's <00:37:22.475>something

841
00:37:23.055 --> 00:37:24.175
<00:37:23.055>that <00:37:23.256>they <00:37:23.458>are <00:37:23.659>slowly <00:37:23.861>picking <00:37:24.063>up.

842
00:37:24.515 --> 00:37:26.615
<00:37:24.515>Uh <00:37:24.690>mm-hmm. <00:37:24.865>The <00:37:25.040>more <00:37:25.214>you <00:37:25.390>are <00:37:25.565>you <00:37:25.740>getting <00:37:25.915>comfortable,

843
00:37:26.795 --> 00:37:29.375
<00:37:26.795>you <00:37:27.075>get <00:37:27.355>comfortable <00:37:27.635>using <00:37:27.915>storytelling <00:37:28.195>in

844
00:37:29.375 --> 00:37:30.775
<00:37:29.375>interviewing <00:37:30.005>especially <00:37:30.635>mm-hmm.

845
00:37:31.075 --> 00:37:33.495
<00:37:31.075>For <00:37:31.424>values-based, <00:37:31.774>uh, <00:37:32.125>interviewing, <00:37:32.475>uh,

846
00:37:34.035 --> 00:37:36.215
<00:37:34.035>the <00:37:34.268>conversation <00:37:34.501>becomes <00:37:34.734>usually <00:37:34.968>more <00:37:35.201>fun, <00:37:35.435>more.

847
00:37:36.235 --> 00:37:39.655
<00:37:36.235>Mm-hmm. <00:37:36.410>So <00:37:36.585>this <00:37:36.760>is <00:37:36.935>definitely <00:37:37.110>something <00:37:37.285>that, <00:37:37.460>um, <00:37:37.635>yeah,

848
00:37:39.655 --> 00:37:42.535
<00:37:39.655>we <00:37:39.795>try <00:37:39.935>to <00:37:40.075>stimulate <00:37:40.215>and <00:37:40.355>yeah. <00:37:40.495>To <00:37:40.635>give <00:37:40.775>training <00:37:40.915>for <00:37:41.055>that.

849
00:37:43.475 --> 00:37:46.175
<00:37:43.475>Do <00:37:43.602>you, <00:37:43.729>do <00:37:43.856>you <00:37:43.984>think <00:37:44.111>it's <00:37:44.238>possible <00:37:44.365>to <00:37:44.493>put <00:37:44.620>the <00:37:44.747>polar <00:37:44.875>steps,

850
00:37:46.395 --> 00:37:49.095
<00:37:46.395>uh, <00:37:46.675>story <00:37:46.955>into <00:37:47.235>an <00:37:47.515>elevator <00:37:47.795>pitch?

851
00:37:50.445 --> 00:37:51.615
<00:37:50.445>Easy. <00:37:50.971>Yeah. <00:37:51.497>Easy.

852
00:37:52.495 --> 00:37:55.375
<00:37:52.495>I <00:37:52.670>mean, <00:37:52.845>or <00:37:53.020>easy <00:37:53.194>when <00:37:53.370>I <00:37:53.545>speak <00:37:53.720>to <00:37:53.895>candidates

853
00:37:55.475 --> 00:37:58.495
<00:37:55.475>and <00:37:55.615>I <00:37:55.755>tend <00:37:55.895>to <00:37:56.035>speak <00:37:56.174>if, <00:37:56.315>if <00:37:56.455>I'm <00:37:56.595>hiring, <00:37:56.735>I <00:37:56.875>speak

854
00:37:58.495 --> 00:37:59.535
<00:37:58.495>to <00:37:58.807>everyone, <00:37:59.118>uh <00:37:59.431>mm-hmm.

855
00:37:59.915 --> 00:38:02.415
<00:37:59.915>In <00:38:00.070>the <00:38:00.226>first <00:38:00.381>conversation, <00:38:00.537>it <00:38:00.692>is <00:38:00.848>part <00:38:01.003>of <00:38:01.159>my <00:38:01.315>pitch,

856
00:38:02.475 --> 00:38:05.695
<00:38:02.475>so <00:38:02.630>I'm <00:38:02.786>not <00:38:02.941>talking <00:38:03.097>so <00:38:03.252>much <00:38:03.408>about <00:38:03.563>myself, <00:38:03.719>little <00:38:03.875>maybe,

857
00:38:05.915 --> 00:38:08.375
<00:38:05.915>and <00:38:06.070>then <00:38:06.226>I <00:38:06.381>tell <00:38:06.537>a <00:38:06.692>bit <00:38:06.848>more <00:38:07.003>about <00:38:07.159>P'S <00:38:07.315>journey,

858
00:38:08.395 --> 00:38:12.215
<00:38:08.395>and <00:38:08.522>then <00:38:08.649>I <00:38:08.776>tailor <00:38:08.904>it <00:38:09.031>to, <00:38:09.158>uh, <00:38:09.285>the <00:38:09.413>role <00:38:09.540>and <00:38:09.667>the <00:38:09.795>context.

859
00:38:12.515 --> 00:38:15.215
<00:38:12.515>And <00:38:12.795>then <00:38:13.075>usually, <00:38:13.355>uh, <00:38:13.634>that's <00:38:13.915>helpful

860
00:38:15.395 --> 00:38:16.535
<00:38:15.395>for <00:38:15.651>someone <00:38:15.908>to <00:38:16.164>really <00:38:16.421>understand.

861
00:38:16.535 --> 00:38:20.415
<00:38:16.535>Okay. <00:38:16.734>Answering <00:38:16.935>50% <00:38:17.134>of <00:38:17.335>my <00:38:17.535>questions <00:38:17.734>already, <00:38:17.935>uh,

862
00:38:20.415 --> 00:38:23.375
<00:38:20.415>and <00:38:20.555>then <00:38:20.695>deep <00:38:20.835>dive <00:38:20.975>where <00:38:21.115>relevance, <00:38:21.255>so <00:38:21.395>this <00:38:21.535>is <00:38:21.675>of <00:38:21.815>course,

863
00:38:23.795 --> 00:38:24.975
<00:38:23.795>um, <00:38:24.857>yeah.

864
00:38:25.735 --> 00:38:28.295
<00:38:25.735>I <00:38:25.875>think <00:38:26.015>if <00:38:26.155>you <00:38:26.295>don't <00:38:26.435>do <00:38:26.575>that, <00:38:26.715>it's <00:38:26.855>a <00:38:26.995>missed <00:38:27.135>opportunity.

865
00:38:29.025 --> 00:38:30.735
<00:38:29.025>Definitely. <00:38:29.491>Definitely. <00:38:29.958>For <00:38:30.425>sure.

866
00:38:30.915 --> 00:38:32.815
<00:38:30.915>And <00:38:31.070>I <00:38:31.226>think <00:38:31.381>it's <00:38:31.537>a, <00:38:31.692>it's <00:38:31.848>a <00:38:32.003>very, <00:38:32.159>it's <00:38:32.315>a,

867
00:38:32.815 --> 00:38:34.815
<00:38:32.815>it's <00:38:33.015>a <00:38:33.215>very <00:38:33.415>tough <00:38:33.615>session <00:38:33.815>to <00:38:34.015>do <00:38:34.215>it

868
00:38:34.815 --> 00:38:37.725
<00:38:34.815>because, <00:38:34.990>uh, <00:38:35.165>I <00:38:35.340>personally <00:38:35.515>did <00:38:35.690>it <00:38:35.865>many, <00:38:36.040>many <00:38:36.215>times

869
00:38:37.945 --> 00:38:39.845
<00:38:37.945>and <00:38:38.120>it <00:38:38.295>was <00:38:38.470>always <00:38:38.645>a <00:38:38.820>kind <00:38:38.995>of <00:38:39.170>a <00:38:39.345>pain

870
00:38:39.945 --> 00:38:44.045
<00:38:39.945>to <00:38:40.072>really <00:38:40.199>put <00:38:40.326>it <00:38:40.454>down <00:38:40.581>in <00:38:40.708>this <00:38:40.835>kind <00:38:40.963>of, <00:38:41.090>uh, <00:38:41.217>92nd <00:38:41.345>thingy.

871
00:38:44.045 --> 00:38:46.245
<00:38:44.045>But <00:38:44.172>if <00:38:44.299>you <00:38:44.426>have <00:38:44.554>it, <00:38:44.681>then, <00:38:44.808>then <00:38:44.935>it's, <00:38:45.063>it's <00:38:45.190>a <00:38:45.317>good <00:38:45.445>one.

872
00:38:46.265 --> 00:38:47.925
<00:38:46.265>And <00:38:46.498>then <00:38:46.731>I <00:38:46.964>really, <00:38:47.198>I <00:38:47.431>think <00:38:47.665>you're

873
00:38:47.925 --> 00:38:49.045
<00:38:47.925>really <00:38:48.093>on, <00:38:48.261>on <00:38:48.429>a <00:38:48.597>good <00:38:48.765>track <00:38:48.933>then.

874
00:38:50.145 --> 00:38:53.765
<00:38:50.145>Uh, <00:38:50.238>what <00:38:50.331>I <00:38:50.425>try <00:38:50.518>to <00:38:50.611>do <00:38:50.705>with <00:38:50.798>you <00:38:50.891>now <00:38:50.985>is <00:38:51.078>I, <00:38:51.171>I <00:38:51.265>love <00:38:51.358>to <00:38:51.451>do <00:38:51.545>this

875
00:38:53.765 --> 00:38:55.205
<00:38:53.765>with <00:38:53.981>my, <00:38:54.197>with <00:38:54.413>with <00:38:54.629>all <00:38:54.845>my <00:38:55.060>guests.

876
00:38:55.275 --> 00:38:57.565
<00:38:55.275>It's <00:38:55.430>a <00:38:55.586>kind <00:38:55.741>of <00:38:55.897>a <00:38:56.052>resource <00:38:56.208>that <00:38:56.363>quick <00:38:56.519>fire <00:38:56.675>round.

877
00:38:57.625 --> 00:39:00.445
<00:38:57.625>So <00:38:57.780>I <00:38:57.936>really <00:38:58.091>would <00:38:58.247>ask, <00:38:58.402>throw <00:38:58.558>some <00:38:58.713>words <00:38:58.869>to <00:38:59.025>you,

878
00:39:00.465 --> 00:39:02.165
<00:39:00.465>and <00:39:00.665>I <00:39:00.865>would <00:39:01.065>ask <00:39:01.265>you <00:39:01.465>to <00:39:01.665>really <00:39:01.865>pick

879
00:39:02.165 --> 00:39:05.485
<00:39:02.165>and <00:39:02.320>choose, <00:39:02.476>um, <00:39:02.631>what, <00:39:02.787>what, <00:39:02.942>what <00:39:03.098>meet <00:39:03.253>meets <00:39:03.409>you <00:39:03.565>better

880
00:39:05.945 --> 00:39:07.725
<00:39:05.945>and <00:39:06.178>do <00:39:06.411>it <00:39:06.645>without <00:39:06.878>thinking <00:39:07.111>too <00:39:07.345>much.

881
00:39:07.865 --> 00:39:10.365
<00:39:07.865>So <00:39:08.020>let's <00:39:08.176>start <00:39:08.331>with <00:39:08.487>the <00:39:08.642>first <00:39:08.798>one <00:39:08.953>while <00:39:09.109>you <00:39:09.265>first,

882
00:39:10.465 --> 00:39:11.605
<00:39:10.465>or <00:39:10.978>skills <00:39:11.491>first,

883
00:39:14.655 --> 00:39:17.455
<00:39:14.655>I <00:39:14.795>don't <00:39:14.935>wanna <00:39:15.075>choose, <00:39:15.215>but <00:39:15.355>I <00:39:15.495>have <00:39:15.635>to <00:39:15.775>values <00:39:15.915>first, <00:39:16.055>then

884
00:39:18.485 --> 00:39:20.655
<00:39:18.485>Culture <00:39:18.835>add <00:39:19.185>or <00:39:19.535>culture <00:39:19.885>fit.

885
00:39:23.835 --> 00:39:25.205
<00:39:23.835>Culture <00:39:25.067>add.

886
00:39:25.705 --> 00:39:30.365
<00:39:25.705>Mm-hmm. <00:39:25.904>Um, <00:39:26.105>data <00:39:26.305>driven <00:39:26.505>hiring <00:39:26.705>or <00:39:26.904>human <00:39:27.105>intuition.

887
00:39:40.255 --> 00:39:41.395
<00:39:40.255>So <00:39:40.768>difficult. <00:39:41.281>Uh,

888
00:39:41.915 --> 00:39:45.115
<00:39:41.915>I <00:39:42.148>would <00:39:42.381>maybe <00:39:42.615>say <00:39:42.848>data-driven <00:39:43.081>hiring. <00:39:43.315>Mm-hmm.

889
00:39:46.025 --> 00:39:47.835
<00:39:46.025>High <00:39:46.375>potential <00:39:46.725>or <00:39:47.075>proven <00:39:47.425>experience.

890
00:39:50.235 --> 00:39:52.905
<00:39:50.235>High <00:39:50.935>potential. <00:39:51.635>Uh,

891
00:39:53.205 --> 00:39:55.105
<00:39:53.205>and <00:39:53.485>the <00:39:53.765>last <00:39:54.045>one, <00:39:54.325>structured <00:39:54.605>interview

892
00:39:55.125 --> 00:39:56.665
<00:39:55.125>or <00:39:55.587>free <00:39:56.049>flow <00:39:56.511>conversation.

893
00:39:59.545 --> 00:40:01.145
<00:39:59.545>Structured <00:40:00.011>free <00:40:00.478>flow <00:40:00.945>is,

894
00:40:04.255 --> 00:40:06.225
<00:40:04.255>it's <00:40:04.488>structured, <00:40:04.721>but <00:40:04.955>it <00:40:05.188>shouldn't <00:40:05.421>feel <00:40:05.655>like

895
00:40:06.375 --> 00:40:07.505
<00:40:06.375>it's <00:40:06.883>that <00:40:07.392>though.

896
00:40:07.685 --> 00:40:09.265
<00:40:07.685>So <00:40:08.035>that's <00:40:08.384>the <00:40:08.735>art <00:40:09.085>interviewing

897
00:40:09.295 --> 00:40:12.665
<00:40:09.295>that <00:40:09.435>you <00:40:09.575>can <00:40:09.715>find <00:40:09.855>the <00:40:09.995>best <00:40:10.135>balance <00:40:10.275>between <00:40:10.415>it. <00:40:10.555>Yeah. <00:40:10.695>Yeah.

898
00:40:12.845 --> 00:40:13.905
<00:40:12.845>I'm, <00:40:13.163>I'm <00:40:13.481>taking, <00:40:13.799>I,

899
00:40:13.965 --> 00:40:16.625
<00:40:13.965>I'm <00:40:14.120>think <00:40:14.276>taking <00:40:14.431>this <00:40:14.587>one <00:40:14.742>from <00:40:14.898>a <00:40:15.053>podcast, <00:40:15.209>so <00:40:15.365>yeah.

900
00:40:16.805 --> 00:40:18.825
<00:40:16.805>So <00:40:17.038>it's <00:40:17.271>kind <00:40:17.504>of, <00:40:17.738>it's <00:40:17.971>a <00:40:18.205>kind

901
00:40:18.825 --> 00:40:20.545
<00:40:18.825>of <00:40:19.024>structural <00:40:19.225>free <00:40:19.424>flow <00:40:19.625>then <00:40:19.825>at <00:40:20.024>the <00:40:20.225>end.

902
00:40:20.845 --> 00:40:23.025
<00:40:20.845>And <00:40:20.961>I <00:40:21.078>really <00:40:21.194>love <00:40:21.311>this <00:40:21.428>as <00:40:21.544>well. <00:40:21.661>I <00:40:21.778>think <00:40:21.895>it's <00:40:22.011>the <00:40:22.128>best <00:40:22.245>one.

903
00:40:23.805 --> 00:40:25.865
<00:40:23.805>And <00:40:24.085>the <00:40:24.365>final <00:40:24.645>and <00:40:24.924>last <00:40:25.205>one.

904
00:40:26.005 --> 00:40:29.625
<00:40:26.005>If <00:40:26.132>either <00:40:26.259>the <00:40:26.386>VC's <00:40:26.514>magic <00:40:26.641>lamp <00:40:26.768>would <00:40:26.895>show <00:40:27.023>up <00:40:27.150>at <00:40:27.277>you <00:40:27.405>now

905
00:40:30.285 --> 00:40:33.385
<00:40:30.285>and <00:40:30.401>giving <00:40:30.518>you <00:40:30.634>a <00:40:30.751>free <00:40:30.868>wish, <00:40:30.984>and <00:40:31.101>it <00:40:31.218>could <00:40:31.335>be <00:40:31.451>a <00:40:31.568>personal <00:40:31.685>wand

906
00:40:33.385 --> 00:40:34.465
<00:40:33.385>or <00:40:33.871>professional <00:40:34.357>wand,

907
00:40:34.465 --> 00:40:36.865
<00:40:34.465>or <00:40:34.581>it <00:40:34.698>could <00:40:34.815>be <00:40:34.931>a <00:40:35.048>kind <00:40:35.165>of <00:40:35.281>a <00:40:35.398>mixture, <00:40:35.515>what <00:40:35.631>would <00:40:35.748>it <00:40:35.865>be?

908
00:40:40.035 --> 00:40:44.695
<00:40:40.035>Uh, <00:40:40.384>I <00:40:40.734>think <00:40:41.085>maybe <00:40:41.435>it's

909
00:40:44.695 --> 00:40:45.775
<00:40:44.695>a <00:40:44.889>bit <00:40:45.083>of <00:40:45.278>a <00:40:45.472>Christmas <00:40:45.667>one.

910
00:40:45.775 --> 00:40:47.095
<00:40:45.775>Maybe <00:40:45.944>it's <00:40:46.114>a <00:40:46.284>bit <00:40:46.453>of <00:40:46.623>a, <00:40:46.793>you <00:40:46.962>know,

911
00:40:47.095 --> 00:40:48.215
<00:40:47.095>what's <00:40:47.263>going <00:40:47.431>on <00:40:47.599>in <00:40:47.767>the <00:40:47.935>world, <00:40:48.103>one.

912
00:40:48.235 --> 00:40:50.415
<00:40:48.235>But <00:40:48.515>I <00:40:48.795>think, <00:40:49.075>uh, <00:40:49.355>showing <00:40:49.635>kindness

913
00:40:50.475 --> 00:40:51.975
<00:40:50.475>to <00:40:50.812>other <00:40:51.150>people, <00:40:51.487>super <00:40:51.825>important.

914
00:40:52.355 --> 00:40:55.965
<00:40:52.355>Um, <00:40:52.530>just <00:40:52.705>do <00:40:52.880>that <00:40:53.055>in <00:40:53.230>everything <00:40:53.405>you <00:40:53.580>do. <00:40:53.755>Yeah.

915
00:40:55.965 --> 00:40:58.285
<00:40:55.965>Also <00:40:56.140>in <00:40:56.315>hiring <00:40:56.490>and <00:40:56.665>interviewing, <00:40:56.840>you <00:40:57.015>know, <00:40:57.190>you <00:40:57.365>talk

916
00:40:58.285 --> 00:41:00.725
<00:40:58.285>to <00:40:58.484>a <00:40:58.685>human, <00:40:58.884>make <00:40:59.085>sure <00:40:59.285>you <00:40:59.484>real <00:40:59.685>human.

917
00:41:01.225 --> 00:41:03.645
<00:41:01.225>So <00:41:01.505>Yeah. <00:41:01.785>Kindness. <00:41:02.065>Um, <00:41:02.345>super <00:41:02.625>important.

918
00:41:03.645 --> 00:41:05.885
<00:41:03.645>Yeah. <00:41:03.785>And <00:41:03.925>I <00:41:04.065>think <00:41:04.205>it's <00:41:04.345>more <00:41:04.485>important <00:41:04.625>than <00:41:04.765>it <00:41:04.905>ever <00:41:05.045>was

919
00:41:05.885 --> 00:41:07.525
<00:41:05.885>with <00:41:06.165>AI <00:41:06.445>coming <00:41:06.725>into <00:41:07.005>our <00:41:07.285>lives.

920
00:41:07.765 --> 00:41:11.125
<00:41:07.765>I <00:41:07.865>think <00:41:07.964>we, <00:41:08.065>we <00:41:08.165>could <00:41:08.265>end <00:41:08.365>up <00:41:08.464>as <00:41:08.565>robots <00:41:08.665>at <00:41:08.765>the <00:41:08.865>end <00:41:08.964>of <00:41:09.065>the <00:41:09.165>day,

921
00:41:11.145 --> 00:41:13.845
<00:41:11.145>and <00:41:11.300>I <00:41:11.456>think <00:41:11.611>that <00:41:11.767>would <00:41:11.922>be <00:41:12.078>a <00:41:12.233>really <00:41:12.389>pity <00:41:12.545>ran.

922
00:41:13.845 --> 00:41:15.325
<00:41:13.845>That <00:41:14.035>was <00:41:14.225>a <00:41:14.415>pleasure <00:41:14.606>having <00:41:14.796>as <00:41:14.986>a <00:41:15.176>guest.

923
00:41:15.325 --> 00:41:16.605
<00:41:15.325>Thank <00:41:15.517>you <00:41:15.709>so <00:41:15.901>much <00:41:16.093>for <00:41:16.285>your <00:41:16.477>time.

924
00:41:16.655 --> 00:41:18.085
<00:41:16.655>Thank <00:41:16.869>you <00:41:17.084>so <00:41:17.298>much <00:41:17.513>for <00:41:17.727>sharing <00:41:17.942>your

925
00:41:18.085 --> 00:41:19.325
<00:41:18.085>experience <00:41:18.457>with <00:41:18.828>the <00:41:19.201>audience.

926
00:41:19.565 --> 00:41:21.085
<00:41:19.565>I <00:41:19.907>really <00:41:20.249>enjoyed <00:41:20.591>the <00:41:20.933>conversation.

927
00:41:22.025 --> 00:41:24.685
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928
00:41:24.715 --> 00:41:27.645
<00:41:24.715>There's <00:41:24.915>two <00:41:25.115>more <00:41:25.315>sessions <00:41:25.515>coming <00:41:25.715>for <00:41:25.915>before <00:41:26.115>Christmas.

929
00:41:27.705 --> 00:41:31.405
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930
00:41:31.425 --> 00:41:35.085
<00:41:31.425>And, <00:41:31.565>uh, <00:41:31.705>looking <00:41:31.845>forward <00:41:31.985>to <00:41:32.125>the <00:41:32.265>next <00:41:32.405>one. <00:41:32.545>See <00:41:32.685>you. <00:41:32.825>Bye-bye.

931
00:41:35.235 --> 00:41:37.565
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