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390
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<00:18:29.095>generative <00:18:29.328>ai, <00:18:29.561>um, <00:18:29.795>today <00:18:30.028>or <00:18:30.261>very <00:18:30.495>soon.

391
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<00:18:33.545>And <00:18:33.720>there, <00:18:33.895>uh, <00:18:34.070>people <00:18:34.245>are <00:18:34.420>feeling <00:18:34.595>also, <00:18:34.770>um, <00:18:34.945>insecure

392
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<00:18:37.545>and, <00:18:37.825>um, <00:18:38.105>and, <00:18:38.385>and <00:18:38.665>hesitating. <00:18:38.945>Yeah.

393
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<00:18:40.795>Yeah, <00:18:40.970>for <00:18:41.145>sure. <00:18:41.320>Uh, <00:18:41.495>if, <00:18:41.670>um, <00:18:41.845>uh, <00:18:42.020>what, <00:18:42.195>what

394
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<00:18:44.965>what <00:18:45.139>drives <00:18:45.314>me <00:18:45.490>since, <00:18:45.665>since, <00:18:45.840>really <00:18:46.014>since <00:18:46.189>a <00:18:46.365>couple

395
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<00:18:47.365>of <00:18:47.540>months <00:18:47.715>is, <00:18:47.890>I <00:18:48.065>mean, <00:18:48.240>as <00:18:48.415>you <00:18:48.590>already <00:18:48.765>mentioned,

396
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<00:18:49.865>we <00:18:50.005>are <00:18:50.145>living <00:18:50.285>in <00:18:50.425>a <00:18:50.565>kind <00:18:50.705>of, <00:18:50.845>uh, <00:18:50.985>economical <00:18:51.125>tough <00:18:51.265>situations.

397
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<00:18:53.865>We <00:18:54.005>are <00:18:54.145>living <00:18:54.285>in <00:18:54.425>a <00:18:54.565>kind <00:18:54.705>of <00:18:54.845>a <00:18:54.985>technological <00:18:55.125>challenging, <00:18:55.265>uh,

398
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<00:18:58.305>uh, <00:18:59.005>currently <00:18:59.705>times.

399
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<00:19:00.305>Uh, <00:19:00.505>and <00:19:00.705>I <00:19:00.905>think <00:19:01.105>the <00:19:01.305>first <00:19:01.505>time, <00:19:01.705>uh,

400
00:19:04.745 --> 00:19:08.205
<00:19:04.745>we <00:19:04.885>had <00:19:05.024>never <00:19:05.165>so <00:19:05.304>many, <00:19:05.445>uh, <00:19:05.584>generations <00:19:05.725>in <00:19:05.864>the <00:19:06.004>labor <00:19:06.145>market

401
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<00:19:08.265>as <00:19:08.535>we <00:19:08.805>have <00:19:09.075>now <00:19:09.345>in <00:19:09.615>parallel.

402
00:19:09.865 --> 00:19:12.765
<00:19:09.865>So <00:19:09.972>I <00:19:10.080>think <00:19:10.188>that <00:19:10.295>is <00:19:10.403>a <00:19:10.511>kind <00:19:10.618>of <00:19:10.726>a, <00:19:10.834>a <00:19:10.941>new <00:19:11.049>aspect <00:19:11.157>as <00:19:11.265>well.

403
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<00:19:13.225>And <00:19:13.365>I <00:19:13.504>often <00:19:13.645>hear <00:19:13.784>the <00:19:13.925>discussion <00:19:14.064>that <00:19:14.205>somebody <00:19:14.344>is <00:19:14.485>telling <00:19:14.625>me,

404
00:19:15.805 --> 00:19:18.485
<00:19:15.805>people <00:19:15.932>in <00:19:16.059>my <00:19:16.186>age <00:19:16.314>tell <00:19:16.441>me, <00:19:16.568>okay, <00:19:16.695>gen <00:19:16.823>C, <00:19:16.950>forget <00:19:17.077>Gen <00:19:17.205>C,

405
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<00:19:18.485>they <00:19:18.727>don't <00:19:18.971>want <00:19:19.214>to <00:19:19.457>work.

406
00:19:19.565 --> 00:19:21.045
<00:19:19.565>They're <00:19:20.231>lazy. <00:19:20.897>Uh,

407
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<00:19:21.385>and <00:19:21.525>if, <00:19:21.665>if <00:19:21.805>I <00:19:21.945>take <00:19:22.085>this <00:19:22.225>complexity, <00:19:22.365>so <00:19:22.504>it's <00:19:22.645>three <00:19:22.785>dimensions.

408
00:19:25.485 --> 00:19:27.925
<00:19:25.485>So <00:19:25.625>what, <00:19:25.764>what <00:19:25.905>I <00:19:26.044>was <00:19:26.185>playing <00:19:26.324>around <00:19:26.465>is <00:19:26.604>I <00:19:26.745>call <00:19:26.885>it,

409
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<00:19:28.125>I <00:19:28.325>call <00:19:28.525>it <00:19:28.725>myself, <00:19:28.925>trinity, <00:19:29.125>for <00:19:29.325>future <00:19:29.525>proofness.

410
00:19:30.525 --> 00:19:33.885
<00:19:30.525>So <00:19:30.665>what <00:19:30.805>I <00:19:30.945>think <00:19:31.085>is, <00:19:31.225>becomes <00:19:31.365>extremely <00:19:31.505>important <00:19:31.645>is <00:19:31.785>we <00:19:31.925>need

411
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<00:19:33.885>to <00:19:34.165>understand <00:19:34.445>business, <00:19:34.725>of <00:19:35.004>course, <00:19:35.285>because

412
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<00:19:35.485>otherwise <00:19:35.764>you <00:19:36.044>can't <00:19:36.324>survive <00:19:36.604>in <00:19:36.885>crisis.

413
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<00:19:37.705>You <00:19:37.938>need <00:19:38.171>to <00:19:38.405>understand <00:19:38.638>technology <00:19:38.871>because <00:19:39.105>you

414
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<00:19:40.155>otherwise <00:19:40.435>will <00:19:40.715>fail <00:19:40.995>with <00:19:41.274>the <00:19:41.555>ai.

415
00:19:42.625 --> 00:19:45.565
<00:19:42.625>And <00:19:42.800>you <00:19:42.975>need <00:19:43.150>to <00:19:43.325>understand <00:19:43.500>humans <00:19:43.675>better <00:19:43.850>than <00:19:44.025>ever,

416
00:19:45.565 --> 00:19:48.405
<00:19:45.565>because <00:19:45.720>you <00:19:45.876>need <00:19:46.031>to <00:19:46.187>deal <00:19:46.342>with <00:19:46.498>mental <00:19:46.653>health, <00:19:46.809>you <00:19:46.965>need

417
00:19:48.405 --> 00:19:52.645
<00:19:48.405>to <00:19:48.560>deal <00:19:48.716>with <00:19:48.871>generations <00:19:49.027>as <00:19:49.182>exp <00:19:49.338>uh, <00:19:49.493>expectations <00:19:49.649>from <00:19:49.805>from,

418
00:19:52.645 --> 00:19:53.965
<00:19:52.645>from <00:19:53.041>humans <00:19:53.437>out <00:19:53.832>there.

419
00:19:55.505 --> 00:19:58.965
<00:19:55.505>How <00:19:55.680>good <00:19:55.855>is <00:19:56.030>your <00:19:56.205>leadership <00:19:56.380>team <00:19:56.555>in <00:19:56.730>the <00:19:56.905>meantime?

420
00:19:59.065 --> 00:20:02.365
<00:19:59.065>Or <00:19:59.220>do <00:19:59.376>you <00:19:59.531>see <00:19:59.687>a <00:19:59.842>kind <00:19:59.998>of <00:20:00.153>building <00:20:00.309>alliances <00:20:00.465>between

421
00:20:04.475 --> 00:20:09.335
<00:20:04.475>HR <00:20:04.649>and <00:20:04.824>tech <00:20:05.000>and <00:20:05.175>leadership <00:20:05.350>or, <00:20:05.524>or <00:20:05.699>top <00:20:05.875>management?

422
00:20:09.335 --> 00:20:12.455
<00:20:09.335>Because <00:20:09.462>what <00:20:09.589>I, <00:20:09.716>I <00:20:09.844>see <00:20:09.971>that <00:20:10.098>there <00:20:10.225>need <00:20:10.353>to <00:20:10.480>be <00:20:10.607>a <00:20:10.735>kind

423
00:20:12.455 --> 00:20:15.135
<00:20:12.455>of <00:20:12.629>a <00:20:12.804>balanced <00:20:12.980>triangle, <00:20:13.155>and <00:20:13.330>I <00:20:13.504>call <00:20:13.679>it <00:20:13.855>trinity

424
00:20:15.135 --> 00:20:16.975
<00:20:15.135>because <00:20:15.485>of <00:20:15.835>that, <00:20:16.185>uh <00:20:16.535>mm-hmm.

425
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<00:20:17.045>Between <00:20:17.245>the <00:20:17.445>ceo, <00:20:17.645>CAO <00:20:17.845>or <00:20:18.045>CTO <00:20:18.245>and <00:20:18.445>A-C-H-R-O.

426
00:20:21.155 --> 00:20:23.895
<00:20:21.155>So, <00:20:21.330>and, <00:20:21.504>and <00:20:21.680>of <00:20:21.855>course, <00:20:22.030>downwards <00:20:22.205>in <00:20:22.379>the <00:20:22.555>organization.

427
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<00:20:24.035>So <00:20:24.210>I <00:20:24.385>think <00:20:24.560>this <00:20:24.735>needs <00:20:24.910>to <00:20:25.085>come <00:20:25.260>closer <00:20:25.435>together.

428
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<00:20:27.115>And <00:20:27.270>I <00:20:27.426>personally <00:20:27.581>did <00:20:27.737>an <00:20:27.892>experiment <00:20:28.048>when <00:20:28.203>I <00:20:28.359>prepared <00:20:28.515>a,

429
00:20:29.855 --> 00:20:33.095
<00:20:29.855>a <00:20:30.010>keynote, <00:20:30.166>I <00:20:30.321>took <00:20:30.477>the <00:20:30.632>10 <00:20:30.788>most <00:20:30.943>used <00:20:31.099>CAO <00:20:31.255>KPIs,

430
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<00:20:33.095>the <00:20:33.375>10 <00:20:33.655>most <00:20:33.935>used <00:20:34.215>CTO <00:20:34.495>KPIs

431
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<00:20:35.295>and <00:20:35.470>the <00:20:35.645>10 <00:20:35.820>most <00:20:35.995>used <00:20:36.170>CHO <00:20:36.345>KPIs, <00:20:36.520>uh, <00:20:36.695>um,

432
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<00:20:38.555>and <00:20:38.760>put <00:20:38.965>them <00:20:39.170>in <00:20:39.375>a <00:20:39.581>table

433
00:20:39.915 --> 00:20:42.295
<00:20:39.915>and <00:20:40.148>these <00:20:40.381>30 <00:20:40.615>KPIs <00:20:40.848>in <00:20:41.081>three <00:20:41.315>columns,

434
00:20:42.485 --> 00:20:44.135
<00:20:42.485>they <00:20:42.685>had <00:20:42.885>nothing <00:20:43.084>to <00:20:43.284>do <00:20:43.485>with <00:20:43.685>each <00:20:43.885>other.

435
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<00:20:44.355>So <00:20:44.555>that <00:20:44.755>was, <00:20:44.955>for <00:20:45.155>me, <00:20:45.355>a <00:20:45.555>little <00:20:45.755>bit,

436
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<00:20:46.695>the <00:20:47.076>shocking <00:20:47.456>element <00:20:47.838>then,

437
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<00:20:48.315>because <00:20:48.515>it <00:20:48.715>showed, <00:20:48.915>okay, <00:20:49.115>we <00:20:49.315>are <00:20:49.515>managing <00:20:49.715>silos,

438
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<00:20:50.985>we <00:20:51.334>are <00:20:51.685>probably <00:20:52.034>cultivating <00:20:52.385>silos,

439
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<00:20:53.505>but <00:20:53.705>we <00:20:53.905>don't <00:20:54.105>bring <00:20:54.305>the <00:20:54.505>three <00:20:54.705>world <00:20:54.905>together.

440
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<00:20:56.105>Mm-hmm. <00:20:56.260>And <00:20:56.416>as <00:20:56.571>you <00:20:56.727>are <00:20:56.882>dealing <00:20:57.038>with <00:20:57.193>leadership <00:20:57.349>teams <00:20:57.505>with,

441
00:20:59.225 --> 00:21:01.245
<00:20:59.225>uh, <00:20:59.504>future <00:20:59.784>orientation <00:21:00.064>of <00:21:00.344>leadership <00:21:00.625>teams,

442
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<00:21:01.705>are <00:21:01.905>you <00:21:02.105>addressing <00:21:02.304>this <00:21:02.504>topic <00:21:02.705>as <00:21:02.905>well <00:21:03.105>internally,

443
00:21:04.425 --> 00:21:07.365
<00:21:04.425>and <00:21:04.600>how, <00:21:04.774>how <00:21:04.950>far <00:21:05.125>are <00:21:05.300>you <00:21:05.475>with <00:21:05.649>this <00:21:05.825>process?

444
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<00:21:08.315>Yeah, <00:21:08.515>uh, <00:21:08.715>uh, <00:21:08.915>that's <00:21:09.115>an, <00:21:09.315>that's <00:21:09.515>an <00:21:09.715>interesting,

445
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<00:21:12.065>um, <00:21:12.345>interesting <00:21:12.625>way <00:21:12.905>to <00:21:13.185>put <00:21:13.465>it.

446
00:21:14.005 --> 00:21:17.045
<00:21:14.005>And <00:21:14.145>I <00:21:14.285>like <00:21:14.425>this, <00:21:14.565>uh, <00:21:14.705>picture <00:21:14.845>of <00:21:14.985>this, <00:21:15.125>um, <00:21:15.265>this <00:21:15.405>triangle.

447
00:21:17.945 --> 00:21:20.325
<00:21:17.945>And, <00:21:18.072>uh, <00:21:18.199>to <00:21:18.326>answer <00:21:18.454>your <00:21:18.581>question, <00:21:18.708>let <00:21:18.835>me, <00:21:18.963>let <00:21:19.090>me <00:21:19.217>go <00:21:19.345>back,

448
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<00:21:20.385>um, <00:21:20.665>to <00:21:20.945>our <00:21:21.225>winning <00:21:21.504>way <00:21:21.785>strategy

449
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<00:21:22.545>and, <00:21:22.825>uh, <00:21:23.105>in <00:21:23.385>culture, <00:21:23.665>um, <00:21:23.945>element.

450
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<00:21:26.145>Um, <00:21:26.300>because <00:21:26.456>also <00:21:26.611>here, <00:21:26.767>I <00:21:26.922>think <00:21:27.078>this <00:21:27.233>was <00:21:27.389>relatively <00:21:27.545>unique,

451
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<00:21:30.465>um, <00:21:30.665>for <00:21:30.865>BSF <00:21:31.064>to <00:21:31.264>bring <00:21:31.465>this <00:21:31.665>winning <00:21:31.865>culture

452
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<00:21:33.785>as <00:21:33.960>one <00:21:34.135>central <00:21:34.310>element, <00:21:34.485>um, <00:21:34.660>to <00:21:34.835>the <00:21:35.010>business <00:21:35.185>strategy.

453
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<00:21:37.995>Yeah. <00:21:38.274>I <00:21:38.554>mean, <00:21:38.834>it's <00:21:39.114>usually <00:21:39.395>when,

454
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<00:21:40.565>when <00:21:40.740>people <00:21:40.915>in <00:21:41.090>this <00:21:41.265>tough <00:21:41.440>businesses <00:21:41.615>are <00:21:41.790>talking <00:21:41.965>about

455
00:21:43.565 --> 00:21:45.125
<00:21:43.565>culture, <00:21:43.845>it's <00:21:44.125>more <00:21:44.405>this <00:21:44.685>fluffy <00:21:44.965>stuff,

456
00:21:45.125 --> 00:21:47.565
<00:21:45.125>and <00:21:45.300>you <00:21:45.475>can <00:21:45.650>do <00:21:45.825>this, <00:21:46.000>um, <00:21:46.175>this <00:21:46.350>team <00:21:46.525>workshop.

457
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<00:21:47.565>Yeah. <00:21:47.720>And <00:21:47.876>then, <00:21:48.031>uh, <00:21:48.187>we <00:21:48.342>have <00:21:48.498>done <00:21:48.653>something <00:21:48.809>for <00:21:48.965>culture,

458
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<00:21:50.625>but <00:21:51.091>really <00:21:51.558>acknowledging, <00:21:52.025>yeah.

459
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<00:21:52.485>I <00:21:52.675>mean, <00:21:52.865>it's <00:21:53.055>it's <00:21:53.246>true, <00:21:53.436>isn't <00:21:53.626>it? <00:21:53.817>Yeah,

460
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<00:21:53.965>It's <00:21:54.865>true.

461
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<00:21:55.305>Um, <00:21:55.538>but, <00:21:55.771>but <00:21:56.005>really <00:21:56.238>acknowledging <00:21:56.471>that, <00:21:56.705>um,

462
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<00:21:58.355>culture <00:21:58.705>is <00:21:59.055>really <00:21:59.405>the <00:21:59.755>foundation.

463
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<00:22:00.705>And <00:22:00.860>if <00:22:01.016>we <00:22:01.171>invest <00:22:01.327>in <00:22:01.482>our <00:22:01.638>culture, <00:22:01.793>um, <00:22:01.949>then, <00:22:02.105>um,

464
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<00:22:05.265>we <00:22:05.850>really <00:22:06.435>yeah.

465
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<00:22:06.635>Prepare <00:22:06.775>the <00:22:06.915>foundation, <00:22:07.055>um, <00:22:07.195>to <00:22:07.335>be <00:22:07.475>agile, <00:22:07.615>to <00:22:07.754>be <00:22:07.895>adaptive, <00:22:08.035>um,

466
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<00:22:11.465>to <00:22:11.665>be <00:22:11.865>curious, <00:22:12.064>to <00:22:12.264>be <00:22:12.465>bold, <00:22:12.665>all <00:22:12.865>the,

467
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<00:22:13.165>the <00:22:13.305>things <00:22:13.445>you're <00:22:13.585>mentioning <00:22:13.725>when <00:22:13.865>it <00:22:14.004>comes <00:22:14.145>to, <00:22:14.284>um, <00:22:14.425>to <00:22:14.565>the,

468
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<00:22:16.485>the <00:22:16.951>digital, <00:22:17.418>um, <00:22:17.885>transformation

469
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<00:22:18.425>or <00:22:18.705>transformations <00:22:18.985>going <00:22:19.264>on <00:22:19.544>out <00:22:19.825>there.

470
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<00:22:21.225>Um, <00:22:21.380>so <00:22:21.536>I <00:22:21.691>think <00:22:21.847>that <00:22:22.002>is <00:22:22.158>the <00:22:22.313>first <00:22:22.469>piece, <00:22:22.625>yeah.

471
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<00:22:24.685>That <00:22:24.860>there <00:22:25.034>is <00:22:25.210>this <00:22:25.385>kind <00:22:25.560>of, <00:22:25.735>um, <00:22:25.909>being <00:22:26.085>aware

472
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<00:22:27.545>and <00:22:28.130>acknowledging <00:22:28.715>that

473
00:22:28.915 --> 00:22:31.645
<00:22:28.915>that <00:22:29.148>culture <00:22:29.381>plays <00:22:29.615>a <00:22:29.848>central, <00:22:30.081>um, <00:22:30.315>role.

474
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<00:22:32.105>And <00:22:32.232>what <00:22:32.359>we, <00:22:32.486>we <00:22:32.614>did <00:22:32.741>in, <00:22:32.868>in <00:22:32.995>the, <00:22:33.123>the, <00:22:33.250>the <00:22:33.377>strategy <00:22:33.505>work

475
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<00:22:36.785>and <00:22:36.985>in <00:22:37.185>the <00:22:37.385>implementation <00:22:37.585>of <00:22:37.785>our, <00:22:37.985>um, <00:22:38.185>strategy,

476
00:22:40.345 --> 00:22:42.885
<00:22:40.345>was <00:22:40.545>really <00:22:40.745>starting <00:22:40.945>with <00:22:41.145>the <00:22:41.345>top <00:22:41.545>level <00:22:41.745>leadership

477
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<00:22:42.885>team, <00:22:43.281>um, <00:22:43.677>to <00:22:44.072>mm-hmm.

478
00:22:44.635 --> 00:22:47.805
<00:22:44.635>Give <00:22:44.790>them <00:22:44.946>the <00:22:45.101>chance <00:22:45.257>to <00:22:45.412>make <00:22:45.568>themselves <00:22:45.723>familiar <00:22:45.879>with, <00:22:46.035>um,

479
00:22:48.075 --> 00:22:51.045
<00:22:48.075>what <00:22:48.275>is <00:22:48.475>the, <00:22:48.675>the <00:22:48.875>vision <00:22:49.075>of <00:22:49.275>our <00:22:49.475>board,

480
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<00:22:51.045>what <00:22:51.220>is <00:22:51.395>the <00:22:51.570>vision <00:22:51.745>when <00:22:51.920>it <00:22:52.095>comes <00:22:52.270>to <00:22:52.445>culture,

481
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<00:22:53.655>where <00:22:53.931>are <00:22:54.208>we <00:22:54.485>heading <00:22:54.762>to?

482
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<00:22:55.785>And, <00:22:55.960>um, <00:22:56.135>to <00:22:56.310>also <00:22:56.485>give <00:22:56.660>them, <00:22:56.835>um, <00:22:57.010>opportunities <00:22:57.185>to,

483
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<00:23:00.145>to <00:23:00.425>openly <00:23:00.705>discuss <00:23:00.985>where <00:23:01.264>to <00:23:01.545>our,

484
00:23:02.695 --> 00:23:04.405
<00:23:02.695>where <00:23:02.975>they <00:23:03.254>are <00:23:03.534>struggling <00:23:03.814>with, <00:23:04.095>right?

485
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<00:23:04.405>Mm-hmm. <00:23:05.413>Mm-hmm.

486
00:23:05.525 --> 00:23:09.045
<00:23:05.525>And, <00:23:05.680>um, <00:23:05.836>you <00:23:05.991>really <00:23:06.147>need <00:23:06.302>these, <00:23:06.458>these <00:23:06.613>top <00:23:06.769>level <00:23:06.925>leaders

487
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<00:23:09.385>as <00:23:09.618>role <00:23:09.851>models <00:23:10.085>and <00:23:10.318>as <00:23:10.551>enablers <00:23:10.785>because,

488
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<00:23:11.705>and <00:23:11.879>this <00:23:12.054>is <00:23:12.230>true <00:23:12.405>for <00:23:12.580>every <00:23:12.754>kind <00:23:12.929>of <00:23:13.105>transformation.

489
00:23:14.115 --> 00:23:15.885
<00:23:14.115>Yeah. <00:23:14.395>Also <00:23:14.675>true <00:23:14.955>for <00:23:15.235>ai, <00:23:15.515>right?

490
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<00:23:16.185>If <00:23:16.325>they <00:23:16.465>are, <00:23:16.605>um, <00:23:16.745>just <00:23:16.885>stating <00:23:17.024>fancy <00:23:17.165>slogans, <00:23:17.304>um, <00:23:17.445>on, <00:23:17.585>um,

491
00:23:21.305 --> 00:23:23.285
<00:23:21.305>on <00:23:21.505>a, <00:23:21.705>um, <00:23:21.905>on <00:23:22.105>a <00:23:22.305>banner <00:23:22.505>out <00:23:22.705>there,

492
00:23:23.745 --> 00:23:27.205
<00:23:23.745>but <00:23:23.945>acting <00:23:24.145>differently, <00:23:24.344>uh, <00:23:24.544>then <00:23:24.745>it'll <00:23:24.945>not <00:23:25.145>work.

493
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<00:23:27.205>Yeah. <00:23:27.379>And <00:23:27.554>so <00:23:27.730>we <00:23:27.905>also <00:23:28.080>started <00:23:28.254>with <00:23:28.429>our, <00:23:28.605>um,

494
00:23:30.635 --> 00:23:31.765
<00:23:30.635>winning <00:23:31.652>behaviors.

495
00:23:31.805 --> 00:23:34.565
<00:23:31.805>I <00:23:31.980>mentioned <00:23:32.155>them <00:23:32.330>earlier. <00:23:32.505>And, <00:23:32.680>uh, <00:23:32.855>um, <00:23:33.030>happy <00:23:33.205>to,

496
00:23:34.585 --> 00:23:36.405
<00:23:34.585>to <00:23:34.818>share <00:23:35.051>some <00:23:35.285>more <00:23:35.518>insights <00:23:35.751>on <00:23:35.985>this.

497
00:23:37.145 --> 00:23:39.045
<00:23:37.145>We <00:23:37.425>started <00:23:37.705>with <00:23:37.985>our <00:23:38.264>winning <00:23:38.545>behaviors

498
00:23:39.045 --> 00:23:41.965
<00:23:39.045>with <00:23:39.200>our <00:23:39.356>top <00:23:39.511>level <00:23:39.667>leaders, <00:23:39.822>and <00:23:39.978>there's <00:23:40.133>also <00:23:40.289>no <00:23:40.445>distinction.

499
00:23:41.965 --> 00:23:45.485
<00:23:41.965>Yeah. <00:23:42.105>So <00:23:42.245>we <00:23:42.385>don't <00:23:42.524>apply <00:23:42.665>a <00:23:42.804>different <00:23:42.945>kind <00:23:43.084>of <00:23:43.225>behavior <00:23:43.365>that

500
00:23:45.625 --> 00:23:48.805
<00:23:45.625>for <00:23:45.780>our <00:23:45.936>leaders <00:23:46.091>or <00:23:46.247>for <00:23:46.402>other <00:23:46.558>employees <00:23:46.713>in <00:23:46.869>the <00:23:47.025>organization.

501
00:23:49.355 --> 00:23:54.085
<00:23:49.355>There's <00:23:49.530>this <00:23:49.705>one <00:23:49.880>set <00:23:50.055>of <00:23:50.230>nine <00:23:50.405>so-called <00:23:50.580>winning <00:23:50.755>behaviors.

502
00:23:54.705 --> 00:23:59.045
<00:23:54.705>Um, <00:23:54.845>we <00:23:54.985>wanna <00:23:55.125>see <00:23:55.264>from <00:23:55.405>every <00:23:55.544>person <00:23:55.685>in <00:23:55.824>the <00:23:55.965>organization <00:23:56.105>being

503
00:23:59.045 --> 00:24:01.725
<00:23:59.045>at <00:23:59.245>our <00:23:59.445>CEO <00:23:59.645>being <00:23:59.845>at <00:24:00.045>my, <00:24:00.245>um, <00:24:00.445>level

504
00:24:01.825 --> 00:24:04.765
<00:24:01.825>of <00:24:02.058>responsibility <00:24:02.291>being <00:24:02.525>a, <00:24:02.758>the <00:24:02.991>shift <00:24:03.225>worker.

505
00:24:04.915 --> 00:24:06.245
<00:24:04.915>Yeah. <00:24:05.513>So, <00:24:06.111>and,

506
00:24:06.705 --> 00:24:10.275
<00:24:06.705>and <00:24:06.879>I <00:24:07.054>think <00:24:07.230>really <00:24:07.405>starting <00:24:07.580>from <00:24:07.754>the <00:24:07.929>top <00:24:08.105>level

507
00:24:10.535 --> 00:24:14.475
<00:24:10.535>and <00:24:10.690>then, <00:24:10.846>um, <00:24:11.001>ensuring <00:24:11.157>that <00:24:11.312>this <00:24:11.468>is <00:24:11.623>understood <00:24:11.779>and <00:24:11.935>lived

508
00:24:14.575 --> 00:24:17.555
<00:24:14.575>and <00:24:14.775>people <00:24:14.975>are <00:24:15.175>reminding <00:24:15.375>themselves <00:24:15.575>every <00:24:15.775>day, <00:24:15.975>um,

509
00:24:18.425 --> 00:24:22.355
<00:24:18.425>this <00:24:18.565>is <00:24:18.705>key, <00:24:18.845>um, <00:24:18.985>to, <00:24:19.125>to <00:24:19.264>bring <00:24:19.405>all <00:24:19.544>these <00:24:19.685>things <00:24:19.825>together.

510
00:24:22.425 --> 00:24:23.635
<00:24:22.425>Yeah. <00:24:22.697>Because <00:24:22.969>at <00:24:23.241>the <00:24:23.514>end,

511
00:24:24.425 --> 00:24:26.195
<00:24:24.425>it's <00:24:24.658>the <00:24:24.891>behaviors <00:24:25.125>that <00:24:25.358>have <00:24:25.591>to <00:24:25.825>change.

512
00:24:26.225 --> 00:24:29.195
<00:24:26.225>Yeah. <00:24:26.380>It's <00:24:26.536>not, <00:24:26.691>and, <00:24:26.847>and <00:24:27.002>it's <00:24:27.158>not <00:24:27.313>a <00:24:27.469>formal <00:24:27.625>thing.

513
00:24:29.415 --> 00:24:31.075
<00:24:29.415>I'm <00:24:29.881>responsible. <00:24:30.348>You're <00:24:30.815>responsible.

514
00:24:31.625 --> 00:24:34.875
<00:24:31.625>It's, <00:24:31.780>we <00:24:31.936>have <00:24:32.091>to <00:24:32.247>have <00:24:32.402>a <00:24:32.558>common <00:24:32.713>understanding <00:24:32.869>which <00:24:33.025>behaviors

515
00:24:34.895 --> 00:24:36.035
<00:24:34.895>are <00:24:35.100>bringing <00:24:35.305>us <00:24:35.510>in <00:24:35.715>the <00:24:35.921>future,

516
00:24:36.215 --> 00:24:38.595
<00:24:36.215>and <00:24:36.389>then <00:24:36.564>we <00:24:36.740>have <00:24:36.915>to <00:24:37.090>live <00:24:37.264>up <00:24:37.439>to <00:24:37.615>them.

517
00:24:39.215 --> 00:24:40.315
<00:24:39.215>We <00:24:39.462>have <00:24:39.710>to <00:24:39.957>display <00:24:40.205>them.

518
00:24:40.375 --> 00:24:42.995
<00:24:40.375>And <00:24:40.530>if <00:24:40.686>it's <00:24:40.841>not <00:24:40.997>working, <00:24:41.152>we <00:24:41.308>have <00:24:41.463>to <00:24:41.619>remind <00:24:41.775>ourselves.

519
00:24:44.165 --> 00:24:46.225
<00:24:44.165>And <00:24:44.320>I <00:24:44.476>think <00:24:44.631>you <00:24:44.787>said <00:24:44.942>important, <00:24:45.098>a <00:24:45.253>very <00:24:45.409>important <00:24:45.565>thing.

520
00:24:46.305 --> 00:24:48.745
<00:24:46.305>I <00:24:46.480>think <00:24:46.655>this <00:24:46.830>is <00:24:47.005>a <00:24:47.180>message <00:24:47.355>out <00:24:47.530>to <00:24:47.705>all,

521
00:24:49.125 --> 00:24:52.305
<00:24:49.125>to <00:24:49.300>all <00:24:49.475>out <00:24:49.650>there <00:24:49.825>is <00:24:50.000>cultures <00:24:50.175>not, <00:24:50.350>I <00:24:50.525>mean,

522
00:24:52.305 --> 00:24:53.385
<00:24:52.305>it's, <00:24:52.629>it's <00:24:52.953>the <00:24:53.277>foundation.

523
00:24:53.385 --> 00:24:55.545
<00:24:53.385>Yeah. <00:24:53.618>It's <00:24:53.851>now <00:24:54.085>fluffy, <00:24:54.318>stuffy <00:24:54.551>thingy, <00:24:54.785>which,

524
00:24:55.545 --> 00:24:57.905
<00:24:55.545>which <00:24:55.745>can <00:24:55.945>be <00:24:56.145>solved <00:24:56.345>by <00:24:56.545>a <00:24:56.745>team <00:24:56.945>workshop.

525
00:24:58.105 --> 00:25:00.265
<00:24:58.105>I <00:24:58.305>think <00:24:58.505>it <00:24:58.705>needs <00:24:58.905>to <00:24:59.105>be <00:24:59.305>the <00:24:59.505>foundation,

526
00:25:00.265 --> 00:25:01.665
<00:25:00.265>and <00:25:00.475>it <00:25:00.685>needs <00:25:00.895>to <00:25:01.105>become <00:25:01.315>the <00:25:01.525>foundation

527
00:25:01.725 --> 00:25:03.385
<00:25:01.725>of <00:25:01.925>everything, <00:25:02.125>what <00:25:02.324>we <00:25:02.524>do <00:25:02.725>for <00:25:02.925>the <00:25:03.125>future.

528
00:25:03.645 --> 00:25:04.945
<00:25:03.645>100% <00:25:04.815>agree.

529
00:25:05.565 --> 00:25:08.985
<00:25:05.565>You, <00:25:05.720>you <00:25:05.876>mentioned <00:25:06.031>the <00:25:06.187>nine, <00:25:06.342>the <00:25:06.498>nine <00:25:06.653>topics <00:25:06.809>within <00:25:06.965>the,

530
00:25:09.085 --> 00:25:11.185
<00:25:09.085>within <00:25:09.365>your <00:25:09.645>culture <00:25:09.925>and <00:25:10.205>the <00:25:10.485>behaviors.

531
00:25:11.515 --> 00:25:14.185
<00:25:11.515>Could <00:25:11.642>you, <00:25:11.769>could <00:25:11.896>you <00:25:12.024>probably <00:25:12.151>name <00:25:12.278>two <00:25:12.405>or <00:25:12.533>three <00:25:12.660>out <00:25:12.787>of <00:25:12.915>them?

532
00:25:15.225 --> 00:25:16.805
<00:25:15.225>Uh, <00:25:15.574>yeah, <00:25:15.925>sure. <00:25:16.274>Um, <00:25:16.625>absolutely.

533
00:25:17.145 --> 00:25:20.925
<00:25:17.145>Um, <00:25:17.285>and <00:25:17.425>the <00:25:17.565>first, <00:25:17.705>uh, <00:25:17.845>I <00:25:17.985>already <00:25:18.125>mentioned <00:25:18.264>earlier, <00:25:18.405>um, <00:25:18.545>so,

534
00:25:21.105 --> 00:25:23.725
<00:25:21.105>uh, <00:25:21.305>it's <00:25:21.505>under <00:25:21.705>the, <00:25:21.905>the <00:25:22.105>topic <00:25:22.305>of <00:25:22.505>accountability.

535
00:25:24.025 --> 00:25:26.085
<00:25:24.025>So, <00:25:24.258>um, <00:25:24.491>maybe <00:25:24.725>to, <00:25:24.958>to <00:25:25.191>share <00:25:25.425>again,

536
00:25:26.225 --> 00:25:28.125
<00:25:26.225>we <00:25:26.504>have <00:25:26.784>this <00:25:27.064>three <00:25:27.344>cultural <00:25:27.625>themes,

537
00:25:28.345 --> 00:25:30.405
<00:25:28.345>accountability, <00:25:28.811>so <00:25:29.278>own <00:25:29.745>it.

538
00:25:30.945 --> 00:25:35.365
<00:25:30.945>Um, <00:25:31.100>speed <00:25:31.256>that <00:25:31.411>means <00:25:31.567>drive <00:25:31.722>it, <00:25:31.878>um, <00:25:32.033>and <00:25:32.189>improvement <00:25:32.345>mindset.

539
00:25:35.875 --> 00:25:37.805
<00:25:35.875>Excelling <00:25:36.341>it. <00:25:36.808>Excelling <00:25:37.275>it.

540
00:25:38.465 --> 00:25:41.165
<00:25:38.465>And, <00:25:38.698>um, <00:25:38.931>so <00:25:39.165>there <00:25:39.398>are <00:25:39.631>three <00:25:39.865>behaviors

541
00:25:41.345 --> 00:25:42.765
<00:25:41.345>for <00:25:41.600>each <00:25:41.856>of <00:25:42.111>the <00:25:42.367>three <00:25:42.623>themes.

542
00:25:42.945 --> 00:25:45.925
<00:25:42.945>And <00:25:43.100>one <00:25:43.256>I <00:25:43.411>mentioned <00:25:43.567>already <00:25:43.722>earlier. <00:25:43.878>Um, <00:25:44.033>it's <00:25:44.189>for <00:25:44.345>speed.

543
00:25:46.345 --> 00:25:50.205
<00:25:46.345>We <00:25:46.625>prioritize <00:25:46.905>speed <00:25:47.185>over <00:25:47.465>perfection, <00:25:47.745>um,

544
00:25:50.785 --> 00:25:53.125
<00:25:50.785>or <00:25:50.960>we <00:25:51.135>focus, <00:25:51.310>not <00:25:51.485>do <00:25:51.660>a <00:25:51.835>bit <00:25:52.010>of <00:25:52.185>everything.

545
00:25:53.285 --> 00:25:56.325
<00:25:53.285>I <00:25:53.518>think <00:25:53.751>that's <00:25:53.985>super <00:25:54.218>important <00:25:54.451>nowadays. <00:25:54.685>Yeah.

546
00:25:56.465 --> 00:25:59.365
<00:25:56.465>And <00:25:56.665>you, <00:25:56.865>you <00:25:57.064>can <00:25:57.264>so <00:25:57.465>easily <00:25:57.665>get <00:25:57.865>distracted.

547
00:25:59.705 --> 00:26:03.925
<00:25:59.705>Um, <00:25:59.845>and <00:25:59.985>to <00:26:00.125>really <00:26:00.264>focus, <00:26:00.405>um, <00:26:00.544>on <00:26:00.685>what <00:26:00.824>matters, <00:26:00.965>um, <00:26:01.105>to,

548
00:26:03.925 --> 00:26:06.805
<00:26:03.925>to <00:26:04.100>put <00:26:04.274>all <00:26:04.450>your, <00:26:04.625>your <00:26:04.800>emphasis <00:26:04.975>on, <00:26:05.149>on, <00:26:05.325>on,

549
00:26:06.825 --> 00:26:08.205
<00:26:06.825>on <00:26:07.135>the <00:26:07.446>super <00:26:07.756>important <00:26:08.067>things.

550
00:26:08.365 --> 00:26:10.725
<00:26:08.365>I, <00:26:08.565>I <00:26:08.765>think <00:26:08.965>that's, <00:26:09.165>um, <00:26:09.365>that's <00:26:09.565>super <00:26:09.765>important.

551
00:26:11.545 --> 00:26:16.305
<00:26:11.545>And, <00:26:11.745>um, <00:26:11.945>I <00:26:12.145>shared <00:26:12.345>with <00:26:12.545>you <00:26:12.745>one, <00:26:12.945>uh,

552
00:26:16.425 --> 00:26:19.025
<00:26:16.425>I <00:26:16.580>like <00:26:16.736>very <00:26:16.891>much <00:26:17.047>this <00:26:17.202>is, <00:26:17.358>um, <00:26:17.513>we, <00:26:17.669>we <00:26:17.825>fight

553
00:26:19.045 --> 00:26:21.225
<00:26:19.045>for <00:26:19.325>the <00:26:19.605>best <00:26:19.885>solution <00:26:20.165>over <00:26:20.445>compromise.

554
00:26:22.285 --> 00:26:24.625
<00:26:22.285>And <00:26:22.565>I <00:26:22.845>have <00:26:23.125>to <00:26:23.405>admit, <00:26:23.685>uh,

555
00:26:24.625 --> 00:26:27.345
<00:26:24.625>when <00:26:24.858>we <00:26:25.091>were <00:26:25.325>defining <00:26:25.558>these <00:26:25.791>winning <00:26:26.025>behaviors,

556
00:26:27.985 --> 00:26:30.905
<00:26:27.985>I <00:26:28.159>really <00:26:28.334>had <00:26:28.510>my <00:26:28.685>struggle, <00:26:28.860>uh, <00:26:29.034>with <00:26:29.209>the <00:26:29.385>fight

557
00:26:30.925 --> 00:26:32.105
<00:26:30.925>for <00:26:31.279>the <00:26:31.633>best <00:26:31.987>solution.

558
00:26:32.225 --> 00:26:35.425
<00:26:32.225>Yeah. <00:26:32.380>Because <00:26:32.536>I <00:26:32.691>felt <00:26:32.847>it <00:26:33.002>was <00:26:33.158>such <00:26:33.313>a <00:26:33.469>harsh <00:26:33.625>wording

559
00:26:35.965 --> 00:26:40.015
<00:26:35.965>and, <00:26:36.139>um, <00:26:36.314>I <00:26:36.490>felt <00:26:36.665>it <00:26:36.840>was <00:26:37.014>so, <00:26:37.189>so <00:26:37.365>direct.

560
00:26:40.275 --> 00:26:42.615
<00:26:40.275>So, <00:26:40.508>um, <00:26:40.741>all <00:26:40.975>in <00:26:41.208>your <00:26:41.441>face. <00:26:41.675>Yeah.

561
00:26:42.715 --> 00:26:44.085
<00:26:42.715>And, <00:26:43.023>and <00:26:43.331>it, <00:26:43.639>it <00:26:43.948>really,

562
00:26:44.245 --> 00:26:45.685
<00:26:44.245>I <00:26:44.460>really <00:26:44.677>did <00:26:44.893>not <00:26:45.109>feel <00:26:45.324>too <00:26:45.541>comfortable

563
00:26:45.825 --> 00:26:47.045
<00:26:45.825>to <00:26:46.044>be, <00:26:46.264>to <00:26:46.483>be <00:26:46.703>very <00:26:46.923>open.

564
00:26:47.945 --> 00:26:51.725
<00:26:47.945>Um, <00:26:48.145>and <00:26:48.345>we <00:26:48.544>still, <00:26:48.745>I <00:26:48.945>mean, <00:26:49.145>um, <00:26:49.345>um,

565
00:26:51.925 --> 00:26:53.845
<00:26:51.925>I <00:26:52.158>could <00:26:52.391>not <00:26:52.625>convince, <00:26:52.858>uh, <00:26:53.091>the <00:26:53.325>others.

566
00:26:54.225 --> 00:26:58.205
<00:26:54.225>Um, <00:26:54.352>and <00:26:54.479>so, <00:26:54.606>um, <00:26:54.734>we, <00:26:54.861>we, <00:26:54.988>we <00:26:55.115>then <00:26:55.243>also <00:26:55.370>was <00:26:55.497>with, <00:26:55.625>um,

567
00:26:58.585 --> 00:27:00.405
<00:26:58.585>strong <00:26:58.935>support <00:26:59.285>of <00:26:59.635>our <00:26:59.985>board.

568
00:27:00.745 --> 00:27:04.205
<00:27:00.745>We <00:27:00.900>then <00:27:01.056>went <00:27:01.211>in, <00:27:01.367>uh, <00:27:01.522>with <00:27:01.678>the <00:27:01.833>more, <00:27:01.989>um, <00:27:02.145>um,

569
00:27:04.725 --> 00:27:05.765
<00:27:04.725>pronounced <00:27:05.661>wording.

570
00:27:06.425 --> 00:27:07.485
<00:27:06.425>And <00:27:06.743>you <00:27:07.061>know <00:27:07.379>what?

571
00:27:07.765 --> 00:27:11.525
<00:27:07.765>I <00:27:07.905>think <00:27:08.045>it, <00:27:08.185>it's, <00:27:08.325>it <00:27:08.465>was <00:27:08.605>absolutely <00:27:08.745>the <00:27:08.885>right <00:27:09.025>decision, <00:27:09.165>um,

572
00:27:11.525 --> 00:27:14.245
<00:27:11.525>because <00:27:11.991>having <00:27:12.458>these <00:27:12.925>polarities

573
00:27:14.545 --> 00:27:19.205
<00:27:14.545>and <00:27:14.778>these, <00:27:15.011>um, <00:27:15.245>these <00:27:15.478>rather <00:27:15.711>pronouns, <00:27:15.945>um,

574
00:27:19.515 --> 00:27:23.045
<00:27:19.515>kind <00:27:19.748>of <00:27:19.981>wording <00:27:20.215>really <00:27:20.448>activated <00:27:20.681>the <00:27:20.915>organization.

575
00:27:23.105 --> 00:27:25.085
<00:27:23.105>So <00:27:23.338>people <00:27:23.571>are <00:27:23.805>discussing <00:27:24.038>about <00:27:24.271>this. <00:27:24.505>Yeah.

576
00:27:25.085 --> 00:27:26.685
<00:27:25.085>People <00:27:25.551>are <00:27:26.018>discussing <00:27:26.485>about

577
00:27:27.465 --> 00:27:29.925
<00:27:27.465>are <00:27:27.698>we <00:27:27.931>prioritizing <00:27:28.165>no <00:27:28.398>speed <00:27:28.631>over <00:27:28.865>perfection?

578
00:27:30.265 --> 00:27:33.205
<00:27:30.265>Are <00:27:30.440>we <00:27:30.615>really <00:27:30.790>fighting <00:27:30.965>for <00:27:31.140>the <00:27:31.315>best <00:27:31.490>solution? <00:27:31.665>Mm-hmm.

579
00:27:33.285 --> 00:27:35.645
<00:27:33.285>Um, <00:27:33.518>so, <00:27:33.751>so <00:27:33.985>that's, <00:27:34.218>that's <00:27:34.451>super <00:27:34.685>interesting.

580
00:27:35.745 --> 00:27:38.925
<00:27:35.745>And <00:27:35.885>that's <00:27:36.024>also <00:27:36.165>for <00:27:36.304>me, <00:27:36.445>one <00:27:36.584>of <00:27:36.725>the, <00:27:36.864>the <00:27:37.004>key <00:27:37.145>learnings

581
00:27:38.985 --> 00:27:41.205
<00:27:38.985>of <00:27:39.264>this <00:27:39.544>cultural, <00:27:39.824>um, <00:27:40.104>initiative <00:27:40.385>Yeah.

582
00:27:41.235 --> 00:27:44.405
<00:27:41.235>That <00:27:41.468>you <00:27:41.701>sometimes <00:27:41.935>have <00:27:42.168>to, <00:27:42.401>um, <00:27:42.635>overemphasize

583
00:27:44.505 --> 00:27:48.245
<00:27:44.505>to <00:27:44.660>a <00:27:44.816>certain <00:27:44.971>extent, <00:27:45.127>um, <00:27:45.282>to <00:27:45.438>get <00:27:45.593>an <00:27:45.749>organization <00:27:45.905>activated.

584
00:27:49.065 --> 00:27:53.005
<00:27:49.065>Mm-hmm. <00:27:49.415>Um, <00:27:49.765>total <00:27:50.115>another <00:27:50.465>topic.

585
00:27:53.165 --> 00:27:56.165
<00:27:53.165>I <00:27:53.320>mean, <00:27:53.476>coming, <00:27:53.631>coming, <00:27:53.787>coming <00:27:53.942>back <00:27:54.098>to, <00:27:54.253>uh, <00:27:54.409>what, <00:27:54.565>what,

586
00:27:56.195 --> 00:27:58.365
<00:27:56.195>what, <00:27:56.661>uh, <00:27:57.128>I <00:27:57.595>recognize

587
00:27:58.365 --> 00:28:01.205
<00:27:58.365>and <00:27:58.505>experience <00:27:58.645>quite <00:27:58.785>often <00:27:58.925>is, <00:27:59.065>I <00:27:59.205>mean, <00:27:59.345>if <00:27:59.485>I <00:27:59.625>have <00:27:59.765>discussion

588
00:28:01.205 --> 00:28:04.565
<00:28:01.205>with <00:28:01.485>some <00:28:01.764>senior <00:28:02.044>management <00:28:02.324>guys, <00:28:02.605>uh,

589
00:28:05.145 --> 00:28:09.365
<00:28:05.145>and <00:28:05.285>hr, <00:28:05.425>there's <00:28:05.565>always <00:28:05.705>this <00:28:05.845>kind <00:28:05.985>of, <00:28:06.125>HR <00:28:06.264>is <00:28:06.405>not <00:28:06.545>allowed

590
00:28:09.365 --> 00:28:10.485
<00:28:09.365>to <00:28:09.566>sit <00:28:09.768>at <00:28:09.969>the <00:28:10.171>big <00:28:10.372>table.

591
00:28:10.485 --> 00:28:11.605
<00:28:10.485>They <00:28:10.736>haven't <00:28:10.989>got <00:28:11.241>a <00:28:11.493>seat.

592
00:28:11.605 --> 00:28:14.205
<00:28:11.605>They <00:28:11.732>are, <00:28:11.859>they're <00:28:11.986>a <00:28:12.114>little <00:28:12.241>bit <00:28:12.368>in <00:28:12.495>this <00:28:12.623>kind <00:28:12.750>of <00:28:12.877>victims <00:28:13.005>role.

593
00:28:15.065 --> 00:28:18.495
<00:28:15.065>Uh, <00:28:15.298>how <00:28:15.531>do <00:28:15.765>you <00:28:15.998>see <00:28:16.231>the <00:28:16.465>role?

594
00:28:18.775 --> 00:28:20.655
<00:28:18.775>I <00:28:18.950>mean, <00:28:19.125>if <00:28:19.300>you <00:28:19.475>look <00:28:19.650>on, <00:28:19.825>on <00:28:20.000>cultural <00:28:20.175>changes,

595
00:28:20.715 --> 00:28:22.695
<00:28:20.715>if <00:28:20.889>you <00:28:21.064>look <00:28:21.240>on <00:28:21.415>transformation, <00:28:21.590>if <00:28:21.764>you <00:28:21.939>look <00:28:22.115>at,

596
00:28:22.795 --> 00:28:24.775
<00:28:22.795>we <00:28:23.075>talk <00:28:23.355>about, <00:28:23.635>talk <00:28:23.915>about <00:28:24.195>ai,

597
00:28:24.775 --> 00:28:25.935
<00:28:24.775>if <00:28:24.983>you <00:28:25.192>talk <00:28:25.401>about <00:28:25.610>mental <00:28:25.819>health,

598
00:28:25.995 --> 00:28:29.015
<00:28:25.995>if <00:28:26.122>you <00:28:26.249>talk <00:28:26.376>about <00:28:26.504>all <00:28:26.631>this <00:28:26.758>kind <00:28:26.885>of <00:28:27.013>complex <00:28:27.140>stuff <00:28:27.267>out <00:28:27.395>there,

599
00:28:30.075 --> 00:28:33.655
<00:28:30.075>how <00:28:30.275>do <00:28:30.475>you <00:28:30.675>think, <00:28:30.875>uh, <00:28:31.075>important <00:28:31.275>is <00:28:31.475>hr?

600
00:28:34.435 --> 00:28:36.095
<00:28:34.435>And <00:28:34.784>there's <00:28:35.135>also <00:28:35.485>some <00:28:35.835>companies

601
00:28:36.095 --> 00:28:39.095
<00:28:36.095>that <00:28:36.328>are <00:28:36.561>now <00:28:36.795>discussing <00:28:37.028>putting <00:28:37.261>HR <00:28:37.495>together

602
00:28:39.165 --> 00:28:42.375
<00:28:39.165>with <00:28:39.398>tech <00:28:39.631>departments <00:28:39.865>because <00:28:40.098>AI <00:28:40.331>and <00:28:40.565>hr,

603
00:28:42.595 --> 00:28:44.655
<00:28:42.595>and <00:28:42.735>I <00:28:42.875>mean, <00:28:43.015>at <00:28:43.155>the <00:28:43.295>end <00:28:43.435>of <00:28:43.575>the <00:28:43.715>day, <00:28:43.855>you <00:28:43.995>need

604
00:28:44.655 --> 00:28:45.895
<00:28:44.655>to <00:28:44.934>understand <00:28:45.213>technology, <00:28:45.492>of <00:28:45.771>course,

605
00:28:45.895 --> 00:28:47.095
<00:28:45.895>and <00:28:46.110>you <00:28:46.327>need <00:28:46.543>to <00:28:46.759>understand <00:28:46.975>humans.

606
00:28:47.355 --> 00:28:49.855
<00:28:47.355>So <00:28:47.495>why, <00:28:47.635>why, <00:28:47.775>why <00:28:47.915>couldn't <00:28:48.055>you <00:28:48.195>put <00:28:48.335>them <00:28:48.475>together <00:28:48.615>if <00:28:48.755>they

607
00:28:49.875 --> 00:28:50.935
<00:28:49.875>anyhow <00:28:50.193>need <00:28:50.511>to <00:28:50.829>talk?

608
00:28:51.035 --> 00:28:52.295
<00:28:51.035>What's <00:28:51.318>your <00:28:51.602>take <00:28:51.885>on <00:28:52.169>that?

609
00:28:52.515 --> 00:28:55.175
<00:28:52.515>How <00:28:52.690>do <00:28:52.865>you <00:28:53.040>handle <00:28:53.215>that <00:28:53.390>within <00:28:53.565>your <00:28:53.740>organization? <00:28:53.915>Yeah.

610
00:28:56.335 --> 00:28:58.295
<00:28:56.335>I, <00:28:56.568>I <00:28:56.801>think <00:28:57.035>first <00:28:57.268>of <00:28:57.501>all, <00:28:57.735>um,

611
00:28:59.015 --> 00:29:00.535
<00:28:59.015>I <00:28:59.288>think <00:28:59.562>HR <00:28:59.835>is <00:29:00.109>super <00:29:00.383>important.

612
00:29:00.535 --> 00:29:03.335
<00:29:00.535>Yeah. <00:29:00.675>I <00:29:00.815>mean, <00:29:00.955>we <00:29:01.095>are <00:29:01.235>talking <00:29:01.375>about, <00:29:01.515>uh, <00:29:01.655>cappuccino <00:29:01.795>with <00:29:01.935>hr.

613
00:29:03.335 --> 00:29:05.695
<00:29:03.335>Yeah. <00:29:03.475>I <00:29:03.615>think <00:29:03.755>that <00:29:03.895>we <00:29:04.035>don't <00:29:04.175>have <00:29:04.315>to <00:29:04.455>convince <00:29:04.595>your <00:29:04.735>audience,

614
00:29:05.875 --> 00:29:08.055
<00:29:05.875>uh, <00:29:06.155>yeah, <00:29:06.435>HR <00:29:06.715>is <00:29:06.995>super <00:29:07.275>important,

615
00:29:08.055 --> 00:29:10.575
<00:29:08.055>but <00:29:08.230>I <00:29:08.405>think <00:29:08.580>what's <00:29:08.755>also <00:29:08.930>true <00:29:09.105>is <00:29:09.280>that, <00:29:09.455>um,

616
00:29:11.035 --> 00:29:12.655
<00:29:11.035>HR <00:29:11.385>also <00:29:11.735>has <00:29:12.085>to <00:29:12.435>transform.

617
00:29:12.655 --> 00:29:15.815
<00:29:12.655>Yeah. <00:29:12.830>And, <00:29:13.004>uh, <00:29:13.180>we <00:29:13.355>also <00:29:13.530>must <00:29:13.705>not <00:29:13.879>lean <00:29:14.055>back.

618
00:29:15.915 --> 00:29:19.095
<00:29:15.915>We <00:29:16.070>have <00:29:16.226>to, <00:29:16.381>as <00:29:16.537>hr, <00:29:16.692>uh, <00:29:16.848>people, <00:29:17.003>we <00:29:17.159>have <00:29:17.315>to,

619
00:29:19.475 --> 00:29:20.975
<00:29:19.475>to <00:29:19.925>role <00:29:20.375>model <00:29:20.824>ourselves

620
00:29:21.115 --> 00:29:24.895
<00:29:21.115>and <00:29:21.270>have <00:29:21.426>to <00:29:21.581>gain <00:29:21.737>confidence, <00:29:21.892>uh, <00:29:22.048>in <00:29:22.203>using <00:29:22.359>I <00:29:22.515>ai.

621
00:29:24.895 --> 00:29:28.975
<00:29:24.895>Yeah. <00:29:25.035>Um, <00:29:25.175>I, <00:29:25.315>um, <00:29:25.455>I <00:29:25.595>have <00:29:25.735>this <00:29:25.875>example <00:29:26.014>in <00:29:26.155>mind. <00:29:26.295>Yeah.

622
00:29:28.995 --> 00:29:30.775
<00:29:28.995>We <00:29:29.461>cannot, <00:29:29.928>um, <00:29:30.395>activate

623
00:29:30.835 --> 00:29:33.975
<00:29:30.835>and <00:29:31.010>encourage <00:29:31.185>our <00:29:31.360>leaders, <00:29:31.535>um, <00:29:31.710>to <00:29:31.885>experiment <00:29:32.060>with <00:29:32.235>AI

624
00:29:33.995 --> 00:29:36.535
<00:29:33.995>and <00:29:34.122>then <00:29:34.249>show <00:29:34.376>up <00:29:34.504>in <00:29:34.631>a <00:29:34.758>talent <00:29:34.885>review <00:29:35.013>with <00:29:35.140>an <00:29:35.267>Excel <00:29:35.395>sheet.

625
00:29:36.535 --> 00:29:39.735
<00:29:36.535>Yeah. <00:29:36.662>I <00:29:36.789>think, <00:29:36.916>uh, <00:29:37.044>this <00:29:37.171>is, <00:29:37.298>this <00:29:37.425>is <00:29:37.553>something <00:29:37.680>where <00:29:37.807>we <00:29:37.935>also,

626
00:29:39.835 --> 00:29:41.205
<00:29:39.835>um, <00:29:40.081>have <00:29:40.328>to <00:29:40.574>walk <00:29:40.821>the <00:29:41.068>talk.

627
00:29:41.825 --> 00:29:45.405
<00:29:41.825>And <00:29:41.965>that <00:29:42.105>is, <00:29:42.245>that <00:29:42.385>is <00:29:42.525>something <00:29:42.665>where <00:29:42.805>I <00:29:42.945>would, <00:29:43.085>would, <00:29:43.225>um,

628
00:29:45.535 --> 00:29:50.485
<00:29:45.535>laugh <00:29:45.675>hr, <00:29:45.815>um, <00:29:45.955>colleagues <00:29:46.095>also <00:29:46.235>in <00:29:46.375>my <00:29:46.515>organization <00:29:46.655>to <00:29:46.795>be, <00:29:46.935>uh,

629
00:29:50.485 --> 00:29:54.445
<00:29:50.485>to <00:29:50.640>be <00:29:50.796>more <00:29:50.951>bold, <00:29:51.107>um, <00:29:51.262>and, <00:29:51.418>um, <00:29:51.573>to, <00:29:51.729>to <00:29:51.885>experiment.

630
00:29:54.745 --> 00:29:55.805
<00:29:54.745>To <00:29:55.222>experiment <00:29:55.699>more.

631
00:29:56.865 --> 00:30:00.605
<00:29:56.865>And <00:29:56.992>at <00:29:57.119>the <00:29:57.246>same <00:29:57.374>time, <00:29:57.501>um, <00:29:57.628>this <00:29:57.755>is <00:29:57.883>also <00:29:58.010>a <00:29:58.137>huge <00:29:58.265>opportunity

632
00:30:00.785 --> 00:30:05.005
<00:30:00.785>for <00:30:00.960>hr, <00:30:01.135>um, <00:30:01.310>to <00:30:01.485>be <00:30:01.660>taken <00:30:01.835>even <00:30:02.010>more <00:30:02.185>serious

633
00:30:05.395 --> 00:30:08.205
<00:30:05.395>because <00:30:05.745>I <00:30:06.095>think, <00:30:06.445>um, <00:30:06.795>the,

634
00:30:08.305 --> 00:30:10.645
<00:30:08.305>the <00:30:08.538>human <00:30:08.771>touch <00:30:09.005>will <00:30:09.238>never <00:30:09.471>go <00:30:09.705>away.

635
00:30:10.985 --> 00:30:12.445
<00:30:10.985>You <00:30:11.423>know? <00:30:11.860>Um, <00:30:12.299>there,

636
00:30:12.495 --> 00:30:14.885
<00:30:12.495>there <00:30:12.695>are <00:30:12.895>these <00:30:13.094>different <00:30:13.294>kind <00:30:13.495>of <00:30:13.695>scenarios <00:30:13.895>Yeah.

637
00:30:14.885 --> 00:30:16.605
<00:30:14.885>How <00:30:15.165>future <00:30:15.445>organizations <00:30:15.725>would <00:30:16.004>look <00:30:16.285>like.

638
00:30:16.785 --> 00:30:21.725
<00:30:16.785>And <00:30:16.901>I'm <00:30:17.018>a <00:30:17.135>big <00:30:17.251>fan <00:30:17.368>of <00:30:17.485>this, <00:30:17.601>um, <00:30:17.718>AI <00:30:17.835>enabled, <00:30:17.951>but <00:30:18.068>human <00:30:18.185>led.

639
00:30:21.865 --> 00:30:25.725
<00:30:21.865>So <00:30:22.005>I <00:30:22.145>think <00:30:22.285>that <00:30:22.425>the <00:30:22.565>leadership, <00:30:22.705>um, <00:30:22.845>still <00:30:22.985>will <00:30:23.125>be <00:30:23.265>human

640
00:30:25.985 --> 00:30:30.165
<00:30:25.985>and, <00:30:26.140>um, <00:30:26.296>decisions, <00:30:26.451>um, <00:30:26.607>will <00:30:26.762>be <00:30:26.918>easier <00:30:27.073>with <00:30:27.229>the <00:30:27.385>support

641
00:30:30.165 --> 00:30:34.045
<00:30:30.165>of <00:30:30.292>ai <00:30:30.419>and <00:30:30.546>still, <00:30:30.674>uh, <00:30:30.801>humans <00:30:30.928>have <00:30:31.055>to <00:30:31.183>take, <00:30:31.310>um, <00:30:31.437>the <00:30:31.565>decisions.

642
00:30:34.045 --> 00:30:38.245
<00:30:34.045>Yeah. <00:30:34.172>So, <00:30:34.299>um, <00:30:34.426>HR <00:30:34.554>can <00:30:34.681>play <00:30:34.808>an <00:30:34.935>important <00:30:35.063>role <00:30:35.190>in, <00:30:35.317>in <00:30:35.445>terms

643
00:30:38.385 --> 00:30:41.205
<00:30:38.385>of <00:30:38.851>equipping, <00:30:39.318>um, <00:30:39.785>employees

644
00:30:41.265 --> 00:30:45.525
<00:30:41.265>and <00:30:41.420>leaders, <00:30:41.576>um, <00:30:41.731>how <00:30:41.887>to, <00:30:42.042>um, <00:30:42.198>take <00:30:42.353>balanced <00:30:42.509>decisions, <00:30:42.665>um,

645
00:30:45.665 --> 00:30:48.725
<00:30:45.665>how <00:30:45.865>to <00:30:46.065>interpret, <00:30:46.264>um, <00:30:46.465>results <00:30:46.665>that <00:30:46.865>are <00:30:47.065>presented

646
00:30:48.725 --> 00:30:50.885
<00:30:48.725>to <00:30:48.958>you <00:30:49.191>from <00:30:49.425>your, <00:30:49.658>um, <00:30:49.891>AI <00:30:50.125>bots.

647
00:30:50.885 --> 00:30:55.285
<00:30:50.885>Yeah. <00:30:51.012>So <00:30:51.139>I <00:30:51.266>think <00:30:51.394>there's, <00:30:51.521>there's <00:30:51.648>a <00:30:51.775>lot <00:30:51.903>where, <00:30:52.030>where <00:30:52.157>HR <00:30:52.285>can,

648
00:30:55.785 --> 00:30:57.085
<00:30:55.785>can <00:30:56.370>definitely <00:30:56.955>defend

649
00:30:57.185 --> 00:31:00.685
<00:30:57.185>and <00:30:57.360>even <00:30:57.534>enhance, <00:30:57.710>uh, <00:30:57.885>its, <00:30:58.060>its, <00:30:58.235>uh, <00:30:58.409>seat <00:30:58.585>at,

650
00:31:00.705 --> 00:31:02.085
<00:31:00.705>at <00:31:01.119>the <00:31:01.533>table. <00:31:01.947>Mm-hmm.

651
00:31:02.945 --> 00:31:04.365
<00:31:02.945>And <00:31:03.158>if <00:31:03.370>it <00:31:03.584>could <00:31:03.797>give <00:31:04.010>one <00:31:04.223>tip

652
00:31:04.385 --> 00:31:06.845
<00:31:04.385>to <00:31:04.540>the <00:31:04.696>HR <00:31:04.851>leaders <00:31:05.007>out <00:31:05.162>there, <00:31:05.318>what <00:31:05.473>would <00:31:05.629>it <00:31:05.785>be?

653
00:31:07.815 --> 00:31:11.985
<00:31:07.815>Yeah, <00:31:07.990>be <00:31:08.165>curious. <00:31:08.340>I <00:31:08.515>mean, <00:31:08.690>don't, <00:31:08.865>uh, <00:31:09.040>don't <00:31:09.215>stick

654
00:31:12.015 --> 00:31:15.505
<00:31:12.015>with <00:31:12.170>things <00:31:12.326>like, <00:31:12.481>like <00:31:12.637>we, <00:31:12.792>no, <00:31:12.948>we <00:31:13.103>have <00:31:13.259>done <00:31:13.415>things,

655
00:31:15.645 --> 00:31:16.825
<00:31:15.645>uh, <00:31:15.999>always <00:31:16.353>that <00:31:16.707>way.

656
00:31:17.085 --> 00:31:19.705
<00:31:17.085>And, <00:31:17.240>uh, <00:31:17.396>don't <00:31:17.551>stick <00:31:17.707>to <00:31:17.862>it <00:31:18.018>and <00:31:18.173>just <00:31:18.329>be <00:31:18.485>curious

657
00:31:20.005 --> 00:31:21.105
<00:31:20.005>and, <00:31:20.500>and <00:31:20.995>mm-hmm.

658
00:31:21.185 --> 00:31:22.865
<00:31:21.185>Uh, <00:31:21.651>be <00:31:22.118>as <00:31:22.585>bold

659
00:31:22.885 --> 00:31:25.465
<00:31:22.885>as <00:31:23.012>you <00:31:23.139>would <00:31:23.266>love <00:31:23.394>all <00:31:23.521>your <00:31:23.648>leaders <00:31:23.775>out <00:31:23.903>there <00:31:24.030>to <00:31:24.157>be. <00:31:24.285>Yeah.

660
00:31:25.895 --> 00:31:27.705
<00:31:25.895>Yeah. <00:31:26.361>I <00:31:26.828>think <00:31:27.295>that's,

661
00:31:27.705 --> 00:31:29.745
<00:31:27.705>that's <00:31:27.879>already <00:31:28.054>a <00:31:28.230>really <00:31:28.405>good <00:31:28.580>one <00:31:28.754>for <00:31:28.929>the <00:31:29.105>end.

662
00:31:29.745 --> 00:31:31.945
<00:31:29.745>And, <00:31:29.900>uh, <00:31:30.056>we <00:31:30.211>were <00:31:30.367>coming <00:31:30.522>very <00:31:30.678>close <00:31:30.833>to <00:31:30.989>the <00:31:31.145>end.

663
00:31:32.145 --> 00:31:33.305
<00:31:32.145>I <00:31:32.406>mean, <00:31:32.667>that's <00:31:32.928>amazing <00:31:33.189>how,

664
00:31:33.325 --> 00:31:35.385
<00:31:33.325>how <00:31:33.558>fast <00:31:33.791>time <00:31:34.025>is <00:31:34.258>always <00:31:34.491>passing <00:31:34.725>by.

665
00:31:35.685 --> 00:31:37.145
<00:31:35.685>So, <00:31:35.904>I <00:31:36.123>mean, <00:31:36.341>it's, <00:31:36.561>it's <00:31:36.780>really <00:31:36.999>running,

666
00:31:37.285 --> 00:31:38.585
<00:31:37.285>uh, <00:31:37.519>what <00:31:37.753>I <00:31:37.987>want <00:31:38.221>to <00:31:38.455>do.

667
00:31:38.605 --> 00:31:40.185
<00:31:38.605>And, <00:31:38.780>uh, <00:31:38.955>I <00:31:39.130>think <00:31:39.305>it's <00:31:39.480>a <00:31:39.655>surprise <00:31:39.830>for <00:31:40.005>you

668
00:31:40.185 --> 00:31:41.665
<00:31:40.185>because <00:31:40.407>it <00:31:40.629>was <00:31:40.851>not <00:31:41.072>mentioned <00:31:41.295>the <00:31:41.517>script.

669
00:31:41.785 --> 00:31:44.185
<00:31:41.785>I <00:31:41.912>want <00:31:42.039>to <00:31:42.166>do <00:31:42.294>a <00:31:42.421>really <00:31:42.548>quick <00:31:42.675>round <00:31:42.803>of <00:31:42.930>this <00:31:43.057>or <00:31:43.185>that.

670
00:31:44.245 --> 00:31:46.145
<00:31:44.245>So <00:31:44.478>I <00:31:44.711>throw <00:31:44.945>some <00:31:45.178>items <00:31:45.411>towards <00:31:45.645>you,

671
00:31:46.405 --> 00:31:48.425
<00:31:46.405>and <00:31:46.545>I <00:31:46.685>would <00:31:46.825>ask <00:31:46.965>you <00:31:47.105>to <00:31:47.245>pick <00:31:47.385>one <00:31:47.524>of <00:31:47.665>these <00:31:47.805>two,

672
00:31:48.425 --> 00:31:51.865
<00:31:48.425>which <00:31:48.552>I <00:31:48.679>give <00:31:48.806>you <00:31:48.934>as <00:31:49.061>a <00:31:49.188>kind <00:31:49.315>of <00:31:49.443>alternatives, <00:31:49.570>uh, <00:31:49.697>just <00:31:49.825>to,

673
00:31:51.885 --> 00:31:54.585
<00:31:51.885>to <00:31:52.025>have <00:31:52.165>a <00:31:52.305>kind <00:31:52.445>of, <00:31:52.585>uh, <00:31:52.725>this <00:31:52.865>one <00:31:53.004>that <00:31:53.145>quick <00:31:53.285>round.

674
00:31:55.175 --> 00:31:56.585
<00:31:55.175>Okay. <00:31:55.598>Uh, <00:31:56.021>let's <00:31:56.444>start

675
00:31:56.585 --> 00:31:59.985
<00:31:56.585>with <00:31:56.740>the <00:31:56.896>first <00:31:57.051>one <00:31:57.207>is <00:31:57.362>AI <00:31:57.518>co-pilot <00:31:57.673>or <00:31:57.829>human <00:31:57.985>mentor

676
00:32:03.005 --> 00:32:04.005
Co-pilot.

677
00:32:04.315 --> 00:32:07.885
<00:32:04.315>Okay. <00:32:04.595>Fast <00:32:04.875>decisions <00:32:05.155>or <00:32:05.435>inclusive <00:32:05.715>decisions.

678
00:32:10.435 --> 00:32:13.845
<00:32:10.435>Fast <00:32:10.715>Culture <00:32:10.995>first <00:32:11.274>or <00:32:11.554>strategy <00:32:11.835>first.

679
00:32:16.405 --> 00:32:18.505
<00:32:16.405>Ha. <00:32:16.871>Got <00:32:17.338>me. <00:32:17.805>Got,

680
00:32:20.965 --> 00:32:23.225
<00:32:20.965>Uh, <00:32:21.431>experimentation <00:32:21.898>or <00:32:22.365>excellence?

681
00:32:23.945 --> 00:32:28.705
<00:32:23.945>Experimentation, <00:32:24.411>Rules <00:32:24.878>and <00:32:25.345>governance

682
00:32:29.005 --> 00:32:30.545
<00:32:29.005>or <00:32:29.467>trust <00:32:29.929>and <00:32:30.391>autonomy.

683
00:32:31.645 --> 00:32:35.235
<00:32:31.645>Trust <00:32:31.925>and <00:32:32.205>autonomy. <00:32:32.485>Okay. <00:32:32.764>Data <00:32:33.045>driven.

684
00:32:35.535 --> 00:32:38.035
<00:32:35.535>HR <00:32:35.815>or <00:32:36.095>in <00:32:36.375>intuition <00:32:36.655>driven <00:32:36.935>hr.

685
00:32:39.065 --> 00:32:40.715
<00:32:39.065>Data <00:32:39.531>driven <00:32:39.998>hr, <00:32:40.465>definitely,

686
00:32:41.145 --> 00:32:42.145
Yeah.

687
00:32:42.665 --> 00:32:45.515
<00:32:42.665>Bold <00:32:43.014>transformation <00:32:43.365>or <00:32:43.715>steady <00:32:44.065>evolution.

688
00:32:46.495 --> 00:32:50.705
<00:32:46.495>Bold <00:32:46.961>transformation. <00:32:47.428>Okay. <00:32:47.895>That

689
00:32:51.025 --> 00:32:53.865
<00:32:51.025>I <00:32:51.152>think <00:32:51.279>you <00:32:51.406>would, <00:32:51.534>you <00:32:51.661>would <00:32:51.788>not <00:32:51.915>have, <00:32:52.043>uh, <00:32:52.170>needed <00:32:52.297>to <00:32:52.425>ask

690
00:32:53.925 --> 00:32:55.305
<00:32:53.925>for <00:32:54.173>most <00:32:54.421>of <00:32:54.670>the <00:32:54.918>items, <00:32:55.167>right?

691
00:32:55.855 --> 00:32:56.855
<00:32:55.855>Yeah. <00:32:56.755>Yeah.

692
00:32:58.325 --> 00:33:00.985
<00:32:58.325>No, <00:32:58.605>definitely <00:32:58.885>not. <00:32:59.165>Probably, <00:32:59.445>probably <00:32:59.725>not.

693
00:33:01.125 --> 00:33:04.345
<00:33:01.125>And <00:33:01.252>the <00:33:01.379>last <00:33:01.506>one, <00:33:01.634>which <00:33:01.761>I, <00:33:01.888>uh, <00:33:02.015>uh, <00:33:02.143>it's <00:33:02.270>my <00:33:02.397>final <00:33:02.525>question

694
00:33:04.405 --> 00:33:07.265
<00:33:04.405>to <00:33:04.521>all <00:33:04.638>my <00:33:04.754>guests, <00:33:04.871>and <00:33:04.988>I <00:33:05.105>also <00:33:05.221>want <00:33:05.338>to <00:33:05.455>raise <00:33:05.571>it <00:33:05.688>towards <00:33:05.805>you,

695
00:33:07.725 --> 00:33:11.905
<00:33:07.725>is <00:33:07.841>if <00:33:07.958>Alladin <00:33:08.074>with <00:33:08.191>his <00:33:08.308>magic <00:33:08.425>lamp <00:33:08.541>would <00:33:08.658>show <00:33:08.774>up <00:33:08.891>at <00:33:09.008>you <00:33:09.125>now,

696
00:33:12.215 --> 00:33:13.545
<00:33:12.215>what <00:33:12.454>would <00:33:12.693>be <00:33:12.933>your <00:33:13.172>one <00:33:13.412>wish?

697
00:33:15.135 --> 00:33:18.995
<00:33:15.135>Ah, <00:33:15.251>I <00:33:15.368>love <00:33:15.485>the <00:33:15.601>question. <00:33:15.718>Um, <00:33:15.835>so <00:33:15.951>what <00:33:16.068>would <00:33:16.185>be <00:33:16.301>my <00:33:16.418>one <00:33:16.535>wish?

698
00:33:19.975 --> 00:33:21.515
<00:33:19.975>It <00:33:20.206>could <00:33:20.437>be <00:33:20.668>a <00:33:20.899>private <00:33:21.130>or <00:33:21.361>business

699
00:33:21.515 --> 00:33:22.835
<00:33:21.515>related <00:33:21.911>one, <00:33:22.307>whatever <00:33:22.703>you,

700
00:33:22.945 --> 00:33:23.945
<00:33:22.945>Okay. <00:33:23.169>I <00:33:23.395>mean, <00:33:23.620>the <00:33:23.845>private

701
00:33:23.945 --> 00:33:24.915
<00:33:23.945>one <00:33:24.235>is <00:33:24.527>for <00:33:24.818>sure.

702
00:33:25.135 --> 00:33:28.315
<00:33:25.135>So, <00:33:25.310>so, <00:33:25.485>um, <00:33:25.660>health, <00:33:25.835>uh, <00:33:26.010>for, <00:33:26.185>um, <00:33:26.360>for, <00:33:26.535>um,

703
00:33:28.415 --> 00:33:29.955
<00:33:28.415>for <00:33:28.692>my <00:33:28.969>family <00:33:29.246>and, <00:33:29.523>and <00:33:29.801>myself.

704
00:33:30.055 --> 00:33:32.315
<00:33:30.055>So <00:33:30.230>I <00:33:30.405>think <00:33:30.580>mm-hmm. <00:33:30.755>That <00:33:30.930>is, <00:33:31.105>um, <00:33:31.280>something <00:33:31.455>that's,

705
00:33:32.415 --> 00:33:33.475
<00:33:32.415>um, <00:33:32.891>super <00:33:33.369>important.

706
00:33:33.575 --> 00:33:36.145
<00:33:33.575>And, <00:33:33.808>and <00:33:34.041>maybe <00:33:34.275>we <00:33:34.508>are, <00:33:34.741>we <00:33:34.975>are

707
00:33:36.165 --> 00:33:38.865
<00:33:36.165>so <00:33:36.320>in <00:33:36.476>our <00:33:36.631>half <00:33:36.787>paced <00:33:36.942>business <00:33:37.098>world, <00:33:37.253>yeah, <00:33:37.409>we <00:33:37.565>are.

708
00:33:38.925 --> 00:33:42.225
<00:33:38.925>So, <00:33:39.205>um, <00:33:39.485>we <00:33:39.764>are <00:33:40.044>so <00:33:40.325>driven

709
00:33:42.565 --> 00:33:44.745
<00:33:42.565>and <00:33:42.765>we <00:33:42.965>wanna <00:33:43.165>have <00:33:43.365>everything <00:33:43.565>under <00:33:43.765>control <00:33:43.965>and,

710
00:33:44.765 --> 00:33:47.105
<00:33:44.765>and <00:33:44.920>we <00:33:45.076>do <00:33:45.231>whatever <00:33:45.387>we, <00:33:45.542>we <00:33:45.698>can <00:33:45.853>do <00:33:46.009>in <00:33:46.165>order

711
00:33:47.125 --> 00:33:50.025
<00:33:47.125>to <00:33:47.325>get <00:33:47.525>our <00:33:47.725>stuff <00:33:47.925>done <00:33:48.125>and <00:33:48.325>to <00:33:48.525>shape.

712
00:33:50.525 --> 00:33:52.785
<00:33:50.525>But, <00:33:50.725>um, <00:33:50.925>if <00:33:51.125>you <00:33:51.325>are <00:33:51.525>not <00:33:51.725>healthy, <00:33:51.925>uh,

713
00:33:52.785 --> 00:33:54.545
<00:33:52.785>then <00:33:53.065>nothing <00:33:53.345>is <00:33:53.625>working <00:33:53.905>at <00:33:54.185>all.

714
00:33:54.645 --> 00:33:57.865
<00:33:54.645>And <00:33:54.785>I <00:33:54.925>think <00:33:55.065>being <00:33:55.205>aware <00:33:55.345>that <00:33:55.485>there <00:33:55.625>are <00:33:55.764>things <00:33:55.905>we, <00:33:56.045>um,

715
00:33:57.975 --> 00:34:00.065
<00:33:57.975>only <00:33:58.175>have <00:33:58.375>to <00:33:58.574>a <00:33:58.774>certain <00:33:58.975>extent <00:33:59.175>under <00:33:59.375>control.

716
00:34:00.065 --> 00:34:03.585
<00:34:00.065>Yeah. <00:34:00.220>Yeah. <00:34:00.376>So <00:34:00.531>my, <00:34:00.687>uh, <00:34:00.842>magic <00:34:00.998>wish <00:34:01.153>for <00:34:01.309>Alladin, <00:34:01.465>uh,

717
00:34:03.585 --> 00:34:06.865
<00:34:03.585>would <00:34:03.740>definitely <00:34:03.896>be, <00:34:04.051>um, <00:34:04.207>having <00:34:04.362>a <00:34:04.518>life <00:34:04.673>that <00:34:04.829>is, <00:34:04.985>um,

718
00:34:07.055 --> 00:34:10.345
<00:34:07.055>that <00:34:07.195>is <00:34:07.335>filled <00:34:07.475>with, <00:34:07.615>with <00:34:07.755>health <00:34:07.895>and, <00:34:08.034>um, <00:34:08.175>and <00:34:08.315>also <00:34:08.455>joy.

719
00:34:11.085 --> 00:34:15.105
<00:34:11.085>And, <00:34:11.225>um, <00:34:11.365>if <00:34:11.505>we <00:34:11.645>have <00:34:11.784>more, <00:34:11.925>uh, <00:34:12.065>picked, <00:34:12.205>uh, <00:34:12.345>view <00:34:12.485>at,

720
00:34:15.125 --> 00:34:20.005
<00:34:15.125>at <00:34:15.264>the <00:34:15.405>business <00:34:15.545>environment, <00:34:15.685>um, <00:34:15.824>I <00:34:15.965>would <00:34:16.105>go <00:34:16.245>with, <00:34:16.385>um, <00:34:16.525>yeah,

721
00:34:20.075 --> 00:34:24.005
<00:34:20.074>with <00:34:20.230>filling <00:34:20.386>lots <00:34:20.541>of, <00:34:20.697>uh, <00:34:20.852>and <00:34:21.008>distilling <00:34:21.163>lots <00:34:21.319>of <00:34:21.475>curiosity

722
00:34:24.225 --> 00:34:27.445
<00:34:24.225>and <00:34:24.458>boldness, <00:34:24.691>uh, <00:34:24.924>into, <00:34:25.158>into <00:34:25.391>the <00:34:25.625>organizations.

723
00:34:28.285 --> 00:34:30.185
<00:34:28.284>That's <00:34:28.751>amazing. <00:34:29.218>That's <00:34:29.685>amazing.

724
00:34:30.285 --> 00:34:31.465
<00:34:30.284>And, <00:34:30.639>uh, <00:34:30.993>I'm <00:34:31.347>nodding

725
00:34:31.465 --> 00:34:34.625
<00:34:31.465>because <00:34:31.605>I <00:34:31.745>think <00:34:31.885>if <00:34:32.025>you <00:34:32.165>ask <00:34:32.305>me <00:34:32.445>what's <00:34:32.585>the <00:34:32.725>most <00:34:32.865>important

726
00:34:34.645 --> 00:34:37.625
<00:34:34.645>skills <00:34:34.820>for <00:34:34.995>us <00:34:35.170>as <00:34:35.344>humans, <00:34:35.520>I <00:34:35.695>think <00:34:35.870>it's <00:34:36.045>curiosity,

727
00:34:38.195 --> 00:34:40.225
<00:34:38.195>definitely <00:34:38.661>curiosity <00:34:39.128>and <00:34:39.595>bold.

728
00:34:40.425 --> 00:34:43.185
<00:34:40.425>I <00:34:40.532>think <00:34:40.640>this <00:34:40.748>is <00:34:40.855>the <00:34:40.963>two <00:34:41.071>that <00:34:41.178>I <00:34:41.286>see <00:34:41.394>as <00:34:41.501>the <00:34:41.609>most <00:34:41.717>missing <00:34:41.825>ones

729
00:34:43.185 --> 00:34:44.305
<00:34:43.185>that <00:34:43.520>currently <00:34:43.857>as <00:34:44.192>well.

730
00:34:45.005 --> 00:34:47.385
<00:34:45.005>And <00:34:45.180>I <00:34:45.355>think, <00:34:45.530>um, <00:34:45.705>thank <00:34:45.880>you <00:34:46.055>so <00:34:46.230>much, <00:34:46.405>Ana,

731
00:34:47.485 --> 00:34:50.145
<00:34:47.485>and <00:34:47.625>for <00:34:47.765>the <00:34:47.905>audience, <00:34:48.045>I <00:34:48.185>mean, <00:34:48.325>there's <00:34:48.465>a <00:34:48.605>really <00:34:48.745>good <00:34:48.885>chance

732
00:34:50.165 --> 00:34:51.385
<00:34:50.165>to <00:34:50.439>meet <00:34:50.714>the <00:34:50.988>online <00:34:51.263>person

733
00:34:51.385 --> 00:34:53.745
<00:34:51.385>because, <00:34:51.618>uh, <00:34:51.851>we <00:34:52.085>were <00:34:52.318>talking <00:34:52.551>about <00:34:52.785>it

734
00:34:53.765 --> 00:34:55.065
<00:34:53.764>and <00:34:53.998>I <00:34:54.232>hope <00:34:54.467>it <00:34:54.701>works <00:34:54.935>out.

735
00:34:55.125 --> 00:34:58.305
<00:34:55.125>Uh, <00:34:55.280>but, <00:34:55.436>uh, <00:34:55.591>we <00:34:55.747>are <00:34:55.902>having <00:34:56.058>our, <00:34:56.213>we <00:34:56.369>are <00:34:56.525>developers,

736
00:34:58.305 --> 00:35:01.785
<00:34:58.305>world <00:34:58.460>Congress <00:34:58.616>in <00:34:58.771>Berlin <00:34:58.927>with <00:34:59.082>the <00:34:59.238>HR <00:34:59.393>Leader <00:34:59.549>Summit <00:34:59.705>attached

737
00:35:01.785 --> 00:35:04.185
<00:35:01.785>to <00:35:01.940>it, <00:35:02.096>where <00:35:02.251>we <00:35:02.407>are <00:35:02.562>talking <00:35:02.718>about <00:35:02.873>all <00:35:03.029>these <00:35:03.185>kind

738
00:35:04.185 --> 00:35:06.065
<00:35:04.185>of <00:35:04.384>nice <00:35:04.585>topics, <00:35:04.785>what's <00:35:04.985>going <00:35:05.185>on <00:35:05.384>with <00:35:05.585>transformation.

739
00:35:06.205 --> 00:35:10.025
<00:35:06.205>And, <00:35:06.380>uh, <00:35:06.555>we <00:35:06.730>invited <00:35:06.904>Deanna <00:35:07.080>to <00:35:07.255>be <00:35:07.430>on <00:35:07.605>stage,

740
00:35:10.205 --> 00:35:12.385
<00:35:10.205>and <00:35:10.404>so <00:35:10.605>far <00:35:10.805>it <00:35:11.005>looks <00:35:11.205>really, <00:35:11.404>really <00:35:11.605>good.

741
00:35:12.445 --> 00:35:14.905
<00:35:12.445>So <00:35:12.552>if <00:35:12.660>you <00:35:12.768>want <00:35:12.875>to <00:35:12.983>meet <00:35:13.091>her <00:35:13.198>in <00:35:13.306>person, <00:35:13.414>if <00:35:13.521>you <00:35:13.629>want <00:35:13.737>to <00:35:13.845>share

742
00:35:15.505 --> 00:35:18.425
<00:35:15.505>thoughts <00:35:15.680>and <00:35:15.855>experiences <00:35:16.030>with <00:35:16.205>her <00:35:16.380>and <00:35:16.555>talk <00:35:16.730>with <00:35:16.905>her

743
00:35:18.425 --> 00:35:20.225
<00:35:18.425>and <00:35:18.625>discuss <00:35:18.825>with <00:35:19.025>her, <00:35:19.225>there's <00:35:19.425>a <00:35:19.625>good <00:35:19.825>chance

744
00:35:20.365 --> 00:35:24.505
<00:35:20.365>to <00:35:20.520>see <00:35:20.676>her <00:35:20.831>in <00:35:20.987>Berlin <00:35:21.142>July <00:35:21.298>8th <00:35:21.453>to <00:35:21.609>10th, <00:35:21.765>2026.

745
00:35:25.285 --> 00:35:27.185
<00:35:25.285>So, <00:35:25.484>Deanna, <00:35:25.685>once <00:35:25.884>again, <00:35:26.085>thank <00:35:26.285>you <00:35:26.484>so <00:35:26.685>much,

746
00:35:27.245 --> 00:35:29.985
<00:35:27.245>and <00:35:27.400>to <00:35:27.556>audience, <00:35:27.711>please <00:35:27.867>stay <00:35:28.022>tuned <00:35:28.178>for <00:35:28.333>what's <00:35:28.489>coming <00:35:28.645>next.

747
00:35:30.685 --> 00:35:33.905
<00:35:30.685>Uh, <00:35:30.825>goodbye <00:35:30.965>and <00:35:31.105>see <00:35:31.245>you <00:35:31.384>all <00:35:31.525>and <00:35:31.665>have <00:35:31.805>fun. <00:35:31.945>Thank <00:35:32.085>you.

748
00:35:34.675 --> 00:35:36.705
<00:35:34.675>Thank <00:35:34.875>you <00:35:35.075>so <00:35:35.275>much. <00:35:35.475>And, <00:35:35.675>uh, <00:35:35.875>see <00:35:36.075>you

749
00:35:36.705 --> 00:35:38.005
<00:35:36.705>around <00:35:36.997>in <00:35:37.290>Berlin <00:35:37.582>and <00:35:37.875>July.

750
00:35:38.005 --> 00:35:39.005
Thanks.

751
00:35:42.885 --> 00:35:44.955
<00:35:42.885>Thank <00:35:43.118>you <00:35:43.351>for <00:35:43.585>watching <00:35:43.818>Cappuccino <00:35:44.051>with <00:35:44.285>hr.

752
00:35:44.955 --> 00:35:46.715
<00:35:44.955>If <00:35:45.188>you <00:35:45.421>enjoy <00:35:45.654>these <00:35:45.888>kind <00:35:46.121>of <00:35:46.355>conversations,

753
00:35:46.715 --> 00:35:48.875
<00:35:46.715>please <00:35:46.915>don't <00:35:47.115>forget <00:35:47.315>to <00:35:47.515>hit <00:35:47.715>the <00:35:47.915>subscribe <00:35:48.115>button,

754
00:35:49.065 --> 00:35:51.435
<00:35:49.065>then <00:35:49.240>you <00:35:49.415>get <00:35:49.590>all <00:35:49.765>this <00:35:49.940>kind <00:35:50.115>of <00:35:50.290>upfront <00:35:50.465>information,

755
00:35:51.435 --> 00:35:52.755
<00:35:51.435>your <00:35:52.029>upcoming <00:35:52.623>episodes,

756
00:35:52.755 --> 00:35:56.395
<00:35:52.755>and <00:35:52.882>all <00:35:53.009>my <00:35:53.136>nice <00:35:53.264>guests, <00:35:53.391>cappuccino <00:35:53.518>with <00:35:53.645>HR <00:35:53.773>is <00:35:53.900>brought <00:35:54.027>to <00:35:54.155>you

757
00:35:56.395 --> 00:35:58.875
<00:35:56.395>by, <00:35:56.595>we <00:35:56.795>are <00:35:56.995>developers, <00:35:57.195>Europe's <00:35:57.395>number <00:35:57.595>one <00:35:57.795>developer

758
00:35:58.875 --> 00:36:02.315
<00:35:58.875>community, <00:35:59.075>and <00:35:59.275>the <00:35:59.475>leading <00:35:59.675>platform <00:35:59.875>for <00:36:00.075>connecting <00:36:00.275>HR

759
00:36:02.615 --> 00:36:04.675
<00:36:02.615>and <00:36:02.964>companies <00:36:03.314>together <00:36:03.665>with <00:36:04.015>developers.

760
00:36:04.935 --> 00:36:07.755
<00:36:04.935>If <00:36:05.062>you <00:36:05.189>want <00:36:05.316>to <00:36:05.444>learn <00:36:05.571>more <00:36:05.698>with <00:36:05.825>it, <00:36:05.953>as <00:36:06.080>on <00:36:06.207>we <00:36:06.335>developers.com.

761
00:36:07.805 --> 00:36:09.915
<00:36:07.805>Thank <00:36:07.960>you <00:36:08.116>again <00:36:08.271>for <00:36:08.427>watching <00:36:08.582>and <00:36:08.738>see <00:36:08.893>you <00:36:09.049>next <00:36:09.205>time.

762
00:36:09.915 --> 00:36:10.915
<00:36:09.915>Cappuccino <00:36:10.365>with <00:36:10.815>hr.