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382
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<00:21:45.685>or <00:21:45.885>being <00:21:46.085>disappointed <00:21:46.284>too <00:21:46.485>often <00:21:46.685>to <00:21:46.885>actually <00:21:47.085>bother?

383
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<00:21:49.855>Yeah, <00:21:49.982>I <00:21:50.109>would <00:21:50.236>say <00:21:50.364>it's, <00:21:50.491>uh, <00:21:50.618>it's, <00:21:50.745>uh, <00:21:50.873>some <00:21:51.000>sort <00:21:51.127>like <00:21:51.255>that,

384
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<00:21:54.245>um, <00:21:54.711>too <00:21:55.178>often <00:21:55.645>disappointed.

385
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<00:21:57.085>Um, <00:21:57.240>but, <00:21:57.396>uh, <00:21:57.551>for <00:21:57.707>the <00:21:57.862>most, <00:21:58.018>uh, <00:21:58.173>what <00:21:58.329>I <00:21:58.485>struggle

386
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<00:22:01.785>with <00:22:01.940>is, <00:22:02.096>uh, <00:22:02.251>yeah, <00:22:02.407>the <00:22:02.562>pace, <00:22:02.718>uh, <00:22:02.873>we <00:22:03.029>have <00:22:03.185>today.

387
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<00:22:06.565>Um, <00:22:06.798>we <00:22:07.031>have <00:22:07.265>a <00:22:07.498>lot <00:22:07.731>of <00:22:07.965>models.

388
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<00:22:08.965>We <00:22:09.198>have <00:22:09.431>a <00:22:09.665>lot <00:22:09.898>of <00:22:10.131>tools, <00:22:10.365>um,

389
00:22:11.445 --> 00:22:15.385
<00:22:11.445>and <00:22:11.600>as <00:22:11.756>you <00:22:11.911>said, <00:22:12.067>to <00:22:12.222>filter <00:22:12.378>out <00:22:12.533>what's <00:22:12.689>really <00:22:12.845>important

390
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<00:22:15.765>and <00:22:15.965>what <00:22:16.165>gives <00:22:16.365>me <00:22:16.565>real <00:22:16.765>value, <00:22:16.965>not <00:22:17.165>only

391
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<00:22:20.325>as <00:22:20.480>a <00:22:20.636>software <00:22:20.791>developer, <00:22:20.947>not <00:22:21.102>only <00:22:21.258>in <00:22:21.413>our, <00:22:21.569>uh, <00:22:21.725>craftsmanship,

392
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<00:22:24.885>but <00:22:25.025>even <00:22:25.165>for <00:22:25.305>a <00:22:25.445>customer <00:22:25.585>project, <00:22:25.725>if <00:22:25.865>we, <00:22:26.004>uh, <00:22:26.145>use <00:22:26.285>AI

393
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<00:22:29.685>to <00:22:29.840>automate <00:22:29.996>business <00:22:30.151>processes, <00:22:30.307>I, <00:22:30.462>I'm <00:22:30.618>the <00:22:30.773>guy <00:22:30.929>I, <00:22:31.085>uh,

394
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<00:22:35.035>don't <00:22:35.210>like, <00:22:35.385>uh, <00:22:35.560>the <00:22:35.735>chat <00:22:35.910>bot, <00:22:36.085>uh, <00:22:36.260>theory, <00:22:36.435>uh,

395
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<00:22:40.085>thinks <00:22:40.212>in <00:22:40.339>AI <00:22:40.466>has <00:22:40.594>a <00:22:40.721>chat <00:22:40.848>bot <00:22:40.975>or <00:22:41.103>is <00:22:41.230>a <00:22:41.357>chat <00:22:41.485>bot.

396
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<00:22:45.485>But <00:22:45.640>I <00:22:45.796>find <00:22:45.951>it <00:22:46.107>very <00:22:46.262>interesting <00:22:46.418>if <00:22:46.573>we <00:22:46.729>can <00:22:46.885>achieve

397
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<00:22:50.365>an <00:22:50.505>AI <00:22:50.645>process <00:22:50.785>for <00:22:50.925>a <00:22:51.065>customer, <00:22:51.205>which <00:22:51.345>he, <00:22:51.485>he <00:22:51.625>doesn't <00:22:51.765>see.

398
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<00:22:55.645>And, <00:22:55.845>uh, <00:22:56.045>the, <00:22:56.245>um, <00:22:56.445>employees <00:22:56.645>have <00:22:56.845>no <00:22:57.045>idea

399
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<00:23:00.255>that <00:23:00.382>an <00:23:00.509>AI <00:23:00.636>is <00:23:00.764>running <00:23:00.891>in <00:23:01.018>the <00:23:01.145>background <00:23:01.273>doing <00:23:01.400>work <00:23:01.527>for <00:23:01.655>them.

400
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<00:23:04.295>They <00:23:04.495>got <00:23:04.695>just <00:23:04.895>get, <00:23:05.095>uh, <00:23:05.295>their <00:23:05.495>information <00:23:05.695>served

401
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<00:23:08.365>and <00:23:08.950>well <00:23:09.534>prepared.

402
00:23:09.845 --> 00:23:12.185
<00:23:09.845>And, <00:23:10.045>uh, <00:23:10.245>that's <00:23:10.445>what, <00:23:10.645>uh, <00:23:10.845>I <00:23:11.045>care <00:23:11.245>about.

403
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<00:23:12.245>And <00:23:12.594>so <00:23:12.945>this <00:23:13.294>is <00:23:13.645>exactly

404
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<00:23:16.355>where <00:23:16.530>we <00:23:16.705>need <00:23:16.880>to <00:23:17.055>filter <00:23:17.230>which <00:23:17.405>tools, <00:23:17.580>which <00:23:17.755>processes,

405
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<00:23:21.445>uh, <00:23:21.911>are <00:23:22.378>valuable, <00:23:22.845>uh,

406
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<00:23:24.235>where <00:23:24.435>does <00:23:24.635>it <00:23:24.834>make <00:23:25.034>sense <00:23:25.235>and <00:23:25.435>where <00:23:25.635>not.

407
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<00:23:26.445>And, <00:23:26.600>um, <00:23:26.756>when <00:23:26.911>we <00:23:27.067>talk <00:23:27.222>to <00:23:27.378>people, <00:23:27.533>uh, <00:23:27.689>a <00:23:27.845>lot

408
00:23:31.355 --> 00:23:33.795
<00:23:31.355>of <00:23:31.588>people <00:23:31.821>think <00:23:32.055>ai, <00:23:32.288>the <00:23:32.521>chat <00:23:32.755>bot,

409
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<00:23:34.135>can <00:23:34.327>we <00:23:34.520>build <00:23:34.713>a <00:23:34.906>chat <00:23:35.099>chatbot <00:23:35.292>for <00:23:35.485>it?

410
00:23:35.635 --> 00:23:39.115
<00:23:35.635>Yeah. <00:23:35.868>And, <00:23:36.101>um, <00:23:36.335>that's <00:23:36.568>something <00:23:36.801>we <00:23:37.035>have.

411
00:23:39.715 --> 00:23:43.955
<00:23:39.715>I, <00:23:39.870>I <00:23:40.026>personally <00:23:40.181>struggled <00:23:40.337>because <00:23:40.492>it's <00:23:40.648>a <00:23:40.803>lot <00:23:40.959>of <00:23:41.115>education

412
00:23:44.055 --> 00:23:47.205
<00:23:44.055>and <00:23:44.210>it's <00:23:44.366>a <00:23:44.521>lot <00:23:44.677>of <00:23:44.832>pace <00:23:44.988>in <00:23:45.143>the <00:23:45.299>market, <00:23:45.455>um,

413
00:23:47.615 --> 00:23:50.125
<00:23:47.615>which <00:23:47.895>I <00:23:48.175>haven't <00:23:48.455>seen, <00:23:48.735>uh, <00:23:49.015>the

414
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<00:23:50.795>last <00:23:50.995>20 <00:23:51.195>years <00:23:51.395>in <00:23:51.595>the <00:23:51.795>typical <00:23:51.995>software <00:23:52.195>engineering.

415
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<00:23:54.425>Uh, <00:23:54.552>if <00:23:54.679>you <00:23:54.806>have <00:23:54.934>a <00:23:55.061>new <00:23:55.188>top <00:23:55.315>net <00:23:55.443>framework <00:23:55.570>every <00:23:55.697>one <00:23:55.825>year

416
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<00:23:58.985>or <00:23:59.303>every <00:23:59.621>two <00:23:59.939>years.

417
00:24:00.715 --> 00:24:04.565
<00:24:00.715>Okay. <00:24:00.870>Yeah. <00:24:01.026>But <00:24:01.181>right <00:24:01.337>now <00:24:01.492>you <00:24:01.648>have <00:24:01.803>the <00:24:01.959>feeling <00:24:02.115>this

418
00:24:04.565 --> 00:24:06.455
<00:24:04.565>happens <00:24:05.265>every <00:24:05.965>week.

419
00:24:06.685 --> 00:24:09.965
<00:24:06.685>Yeah. <00:24:06.918>So <00:24:07.151>to <00:24:07.385>take <00:24:07.618>a <00:24:07.851>breath <00:24:08.085>Yeah.

420
00:24:10.495 --> 00:24:12.085
<00:24:10.495>Count <00:24:10.961>to <00:24:11.428>10. <00:24:11.895>Yeah.

421
00:24:12.825 --> 00:24:15.005
<00:24:12.825>So <00:24:12.980>where, <00:24:13.136>where <00:24:13.291>do <00:24:13.447>you <00:24:13.602>think <00:24:13.758>is <00:24:13.913>the <00:24:14.069>best <00:24:14.225>way

422
00:24:15.005 --> 00:24:16.125
<00:24:15.005>to <00:24:15.257>learn <00:24:15.509>about <00:24:15.761>that <00:24:16.013>subject

423
00:24:16.265 --> 00:24:18.205
<00:24:16.265>and <00:24:16.498>where <00:24:16.731>do <00:24:16.965>you <00:24:17.198>find <00:24:17.431>inspiration <00:24:17.665>yourself?

424
00:24:18.435 --> 00:24:20.245
<00:24:18.435>Like <00:24:18.610>what, <00:24:18.784>what <00:24:18.960>do <00:24:19.135>you <00:24:19.310>look <00:24:19.485>at <00:24:19.659>right <00:24:19.835>now?

425
00:24:21.225 --> 00:24:25.125
<00:24:21.225>You, <00:24:21.425>you <00:24:21.625>said <00:24:21.824>that, <00:24:22.024>uh, <00:24:22.225>before, <00:24:22.425>um, <00:24:22.625>gatekeeping

426
00:24:25.345 --> 00:24:29.605
<00:24:25.345>and <00:24:25.520>so <00:24:25.695>on, <00:24:25.870>I <00:24:26.045>personally, <00:24:26.220>uh, <00:24:26.395>learned <00:24:26.570>the <00:24:26.745>most

427
00:24:30.115 --> 00:24:31.725
<00:24:30.115>with <00:24:31.515>experimenting.

428
00:24:32.445 --> 00:24:36.725
<00:24:32.445>I <00:24:32.572>am, <00:24:32.699>I, <00:24:32.826>I <00:24:32.954>wasn't, <00:24:33.081>uh, <00:24:33.208>ever <00:24:33.335>the <00:24:33.463>guy <00:24:33.590>who <00:24:33.717>reads, <00:24:33.845>uh,

429
00:24:36.725 --> 00:24:40.685
<00:24:36.725>300 <00:24:37.004>pages, <00:24:37.284>um, <00:24:37.564>books <00:24:37.844>about, <00:24:38.125>uh,

430
00:24:41.515 --> 00:24:43.205
<00:24:41.515>news <00:24:41.865>update <00:24:42.215>in <00:24:42.565>C <00:24:42.915>Shop

431
00:24:43.305 --> 00:24:45.485
<00:24:43.305>or, <00:24:43.655>uh, <00:24:44.005>TypeScript, <00:24:44.355>JavaScript, <00:24:44.705>whatever.

432
00:24:46.565 --> 00:24:49.565
<00:24:46.565>I <00:24:46.740>was <00:24:46.915>the <00:24:47.090>one <00:24:47.265>who <00:24:47.440>learned <00:24:47.615>the <00:24:47.790>best <00:24:47.965>with

433
00:24:50.285 --> 00:24:52.125
<00:24:50.285>tutorials <00:24:50.751>trying <00:24:51.218>it <00:24:51.685>out.

434
00:24:52.645 --> 00:24:56.165
<00:24:52.645>I <00:24:52.785>wrote <00:24:52.925>my <00:24:53.065>first <00:24:53.205>software <00:24:53.345>with, <00:24:53.485>I <00:24:53.625>think <00:24:53.764>it <00:24:53.905>was <00:24:54.045>13

435
00:24:56.225 --> 00:25:00.765
<00:24:56.225>or <00:24:56.399>14 <00:24:56.574>years, <00:24:56.750>and <00:24:56.925>it <00:24:57.100>was <00:24:57.274>just, <00:24:57.449>okay, <00:24:57.625>tutorials,

436
00:25:01.855 --> 00:25:05.385
<00:25:01.855>look <00:25:02.030>it <00:25:02.205>together, <00:25:02.380>look <00:25:02.555>what, <00:25:02.730>uh, <00:25:02.905>look <00:25:03.080>what, <00:25:03.255>uh,

437
00:25:05.605 --> 00:25:07.985
<00:25:05.605>the <00:25:05.885>software <00:25:06.165>does <00:25:06.445>and <00:25:06.725>understand, <00:25:07.005>uh,

438
00:25:08.165 --> 00:25:09.585
<00:25:08.165>how <00:25:08.484>the <00:25:08.804>syntax, <00:25:09.123>uh, <00:25:09.443>works.

439
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<00:25:10.165>The <00:25:10.292>first <00:25:10.419>book <00:25:10.546>I <00:25:10.674>I <00:25:10.801>bought <00:25:10.928>was, <00:25:11.055>um, <00:25:11.183>about <00:25:11.310>Borland <00:25:11.437>Delphi <00:25:11.565>six,

440
00:25:15.125 --> 00:25:17.905
<00:25:15.125>and <00:25:15.358>I <00:25:15.591>never <00:25:15.825>read <00:25:16.058>the <00:25:16.291>book <00:25:16.525>completely.

441
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<00:25:18.535>Yeah. <00:25:18.710>Because, <00:25:18.885>uh, <00:25:19.060>that, <00:25:19.235>uh, <00:25:19.410>didn't <00:25:19.585>work <00:25:19.760>for <00:25:19.935>me.

442
00:25:23.605 --> 00:25:26.745
<00:25:23.605>And <00:25:23.838>so <00:25:24.071>this <00:25:24.305>is <00:25:24.538>my, <00:25:24.771>my <00:25:25.005>approach.

443
00:25:27.305 --> 00:25:31.745
<00:25:27.305>I, <00:25:27.538>um, <00:25:27.771>simply <00:25:28.005>try <00:25:28.238>the <00:25:28.471>tools <00:25:28.705>I

444
00:25:32.015 --> 00:25:35.555
<00:25:32.015>imagine, <00:25:32.365>which <00:25:32.715>use <00:25:33.065>cases <00:25:33.415>I

445
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<00:25:35.655>or <00:25:35.888>customers <00:25:36.121>had, <00:25:36.355>uh, <00:25:36.588>the <00:25:36.821>last <00:25:37.055>years.

446
00:25:40.295 --> 00:25:44.355
<00:25:40.295>And <00:25:40.495>for <00:25:40.695>example, <00:25:40.895>um, <00:25:41.095>a <00:25:41.295>very <00:25:41.495>specific <00:25:41.695>example.

447
00:25:44.495 --> 00:25:48.635
<00:25:44.495>We <00:25:44.622>had <00:25:44.749>a <00:25:44.876>software <00:25:45.004>to <00:25:45.131>implement, <00:25:45.258>uh, <00:25:45.385>four <00:25:45.513>or <00:25:45.640>five <00:25:45.767>years <00:25:45.895>ago,

448
00:25:48.775 --> 00:25:53.435
<00:25:48.775>and <00:25:48.975>it <00:25:49.175>was <00:25:49.375>a <00:25:49.575>hydro <00:25:49.775>ultrasonic <00:25:49.975>machine <00:25:50.175>from,

449
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<00:25:53.735>uh, <00:25:54.084>general, <00:25:54.435>uh, <00:25:54.784>general <00:25:55.135>Electric.

450
00:25:56.455 --> 00:26:00.155
<00:25:56.455>And <00:25:56.610>all <00:25:56.766>of <00:25:56.921>the <00:25:57.077>interfaces <00:25:57.232>were, <00:25:57.388>uh, <00:25:57.543>A <00:25:57.699>TCP <00:25:57.855>stream.

451
00:26:00.975 --> 00:26:05.035
<00:26:00.975>And, <00:26:01.130>uh, <00:26:01.286>everything <00:26:01.441>was <00:26:01.597>written <00:26:01.752>down <00:26:01.908>in <00:26:02.063>a <00:26:02.219>PDF <00:26:02.375>document.

452
00:26:05.615 --> 00:26:07.875
<00:26:05.615>So <00:26:06.081>which <00:26:06.548>bytes, <00:26:07.015>um,

453
00:26:08.645 --> 00:26:11.995
<00:26:08.645>where <00:26:08.772>do <00:26:08.899>I <00:26:09.026>find <00:26:09.154>the <00:26:09.281>data <00:26:09.408>in <00:26:09.535>which <00:26:09.663>format <00:26:09.790>and <00:26:09.917>so <00:26:10.045>on.

454
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<00:26:13.135>And <00:26:13.415>one <00:26:13.695>year <00:26:13.975>ago, <00:26:14.254>I, <00:26:14.535>um,

455
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<00:26:18.845>uh, <00:26:18.985>I <00:26:19.125>tried <00:26:19.265>to <00:26:19.405>use <00:26:19.545>Codex, <00:26:19.685>uh, <00:26:19.825>open <00:26:19.965>my <00:26:20.105>eyes <00:26:20.245>Codex,

456
00:26:23.605 --> 00:26:26.345
<00:26:23.605>and <00:26:23.885>I <00:26:24.165>was, <00:26:24.445>Hmm, <00:26:24.725>what <00:26:25.005>if

457
00:26:27.145 --> 00:26:30.305
<00:26:27.145>I <00:26:27.345>just <00:26:27.545>put <00:26:27.745>the <00:26:27.945>PDF, <00:26:28.145>uh, <00:26:28.345>into <00:26:28.545>Codex?

458
00:26:31.615 --> 00:26:35.825
<00:26:31.615>Tell <00:26:31.755>him <00:26:31.895>what <00:26:32.035>I <00:26:32.175>need, <00:26:32.315>how <00:26:32.455>I <00:26:32.595>wanted <00:26:32.735>my <00:26:32.875>interface <00:26:33.015>structures

459
00:26:36.005 --> 00:26:39.065
<00:26:36.005>and <00:26:36.160>so <00:26:36.316>on, <00:26:36.471>uh, <00:26:36.627>how <00:26:36.782>to <00:26:36.938>build <00:26:37.093>up <00:26:37.249>a, <00:26:37.405>uh,

460
00:26:39.565 --> 00:26:43.250
<00:26:39.565>proper <00:26:39.720>TCP <00:26:39.876>channel, <00:26:40.031>uh, <00:26:40.187>I <00:26:40.342>think <00:26:40.498>it <00:26:40.653>was <00:26:40.809>in <00:26:40.965>net,

461
00:26:44.385 --> 00:26:48.925
<00:26:44.385>and <00:26:44.585>it <00:26:44.785>spits <00:26:44.985>out <00:26:45.185>a <00:26:45.385>pretty <00:26:45.585>damn <00:26:45.785>good,

462
00:26:49.185 --> 00:26:51.125
<00:26:49.185>uh, <00:26:49.534>code <00:26:49.885>about <00:26:50.235>this <00:26:50.585>interface.

463
00:26:52.105 --> 00:26:56.325
<00:26:52.105>So <00:26:52.260>this <00:26:52.416>is <00:26:52.571>something, <00:26:52.727>what <00:26:52.882>was <00:26:53.038>possible <00:26:53.193>a <00:26:53.349>year <00:26:53.505>ago,

464
00:26:57.105 --> 00:27:00.965
<00:26:57.105>four <00:26:57.260>years <00:26:57.416>ago, <00:26:57.571>we <00:26:57.727>had <00:26:57.882>to <00:26:58.038>do <00:26:58.193>this <00:26:58.349>oil <00:26:58.505>complete

465
00:27:01.025 --> 00:27:03.645
<00:27:01.025>by <00:27:01.258>ourselves <00:27:01.491>testing <00:27:01.725>it <00:27:01.958>and <00:27:02.191>so <00:27:02.425>on.

466
00:27:03.945 --> 00:27:08.245
<00:27:03.945>And <00:27:04.072>so <00:27:04.199>I <00:27:04.326>am <00:27:04.454>really <00:27:04.581>the, <00:27:04.708>the <00:27:04.835>kind <00:27:04.963>of <00:27:05.090>guy <00:27:05.217>which <00:27:05.345>looks,

467
00:27:09.255 --> 00:27:14.115
<00:27:09.255>what, <00:27:09.430>what <00:27:09.605>bothered <00:27:09.780>me <00:27:09.955>2, <00:27:10.130>3, <00:27:10.305>4 <00:27:10.480>years <00:27:10.655>ago,

468
00:27:14.895 --> 00:27:18.955
<00:27:14.895>and <00:27:15.070>how, <00:27:15.245>uh, <00:27:15.420>could <00:27:15.595>I, <00:27:15.770>uh, <00:27:15.945>do <00:27:16.120>it <00:27:16.295>better

469
00:27:19.225 --> 00:27:20.555
<00:27:19.225>with <00:27:19.823>today's <00:27:20.422>tools?

470
00:27:21.335 --> 00:27:24.755
<00:27:21.335>And <00:27:21.510>so <00:27:21.685>I <00:27:21.860>really <00:27:22.035>try <00:27:22.210>to <00:27:22.385>experiment <00:27:22.560>with <00:27:22.735>it.

471
00:27:25.695 --> 00:27:29.235
<00:27:25.695>Um, <00:27:26.161>yeah, <00:27:26.628>blogs, <00:27:27.095>podcasts,

472
00:27:29.335 --> 00:27:33.675
<00:27:29.335>and <00:27:29.510>so <00:27:29.685>on <00:27:29.860>are, <00:27:30.035>are <00:27:30.210>valuable, <00:27:30.385>uh, <00:27:30.560>educational, <00:27:30.735>um,

473
00:27:34.095 --> 00:27:35.555
<00:27:34.095>source <00:27:34.423>for <00:27:34.752>me <00:27:35.080>right <00:27:35.409>now,

474
00:27:35.825 --> 00:27:40.355
<00:27:35.825>because <00:27:36.000>I <00:27:36.175>think <00:27:36.350>even <00:27:36.525>with <00:27:36.700>the <00:27:36.875>pace, <00:27:37.050>um, <00:27:37.225>yeah.

475
00:27:40.725 --> 00:27:42.915
<00:27:40.725>Books <00:27:41.004>or <00:27:41.284>some, <00:27:41.564>uh, <00:27:41.844>something <00:27:42.125>like

476
00:27:42.915 --> 00:27:44.315
<00:27:42.915>that <00:27:43.230>doesn't <00:27:43.545>work <00:27:43.860>really <00:27:44.175>well.

477
00:27:45.225 --> 00:27:49.205
<00:27:45.225>Um, <00:27:45.399>yeah, <00:27:45.574>I <00:27:45.750>wrote <00:27:45.925>a <00:27:46.100>book, <00:27:46.274>uh, <00:27:46.449>for <00:27:46.625>O'Reilly,

478
00:27:49.265 --> 00:27:51.205
<00:27:49.265>but <00:27:49.615>it <00:27:49.965>was <00:27:50.315>very <00:27:50.665>conceptual.

479
00:27:51.555 --> 00:27:54.005
<00:27:51.555>Yeah. <00:27:51.835>It <00:27:52.115>was <00:27:52.395>re <00:27:52.675>very <00:27:52.955>conceptual.

480
00:27:54.505 --> 00:27:57.885
<00:27:54.505>It <00:27:54.705>wasn't <00:27:54.905>about, <00:27:55.105>yeah, <00:27:55.305>you <00:27:55.505>can <00:27:55.705>use, <00:27:55.905>uh,

481
00:27:58.215 --> 00:28:02.405
<00:27:58.215>these <00:27:58.448>examples <00:27:58.681>only <00:27:58.915>in <00:27:59.148>the <00:27:59.381>GPT-3 <00:27:59.615>0.5

482
00:28:02.545 --> 00:28:04.205
<00:28:02.545>or <00:28:02.825>four <00:28:03.105>or <00:28:03.385>something <00:28:03.665>like <00:28:03.945>that.

483
00:28:04.825 --> 00:28:07.725
<00:28:04.825>It <00:28:05.058>was <00:28:05.291>just <00:28:05.525>about <00:28:05.758>the <00:28:05.991>concepts <00:28:06.225>and,

484
00:28:08.025 --> 00:28:12.085
<00:28:08.025>and <00:28:08.165>even <00:28:08.305>the <00:28:08.445>concepts <00:28:08.585>are, <00:28:08.725>uh, <00:28:08.865>today <00:28:09.005>a <00:28:09.145>little <00:28:09.285>bit <00:28:09.425>different.

485
00:28:12.345 --> 00:28:15.805
<00:28:12.345>And <00:28:12.545>yeah. <00:28:12.745>So, <00:28:12.945>uh, <00:28:13.145>the <00:28:13.345>years <00:28:13.545>go <00:28:13.745>by

486
00:28:15.945 --> 00:28:17.725
<00:28:15.945>and <00:28:16.178>you <00:28:16.411>have <00:28:16.645>to <00:28:16.878>adapt <00:28:17.111>to <00:28:17.345>that.

487
00:28:17.835 --> 00:28:21.765
<00:28:17.835>Yeah. <00:28:18.035>So <00:28:18.235>I <00:28:18.435>just <00:28:18.635>can <00:28:18.835>say, <00:28:19.035>uh, <00:28:19.235>for,

488
00:28:22.865 --> 00:28:26.845
<00:28:22.865>uh, <00:28:23.145>other <00:28:23.425>listeners, <00:28:23.705>um, <00:28:23.985>experimenting, <00:28:24.265>it's

489
00:28:26.845 --> 00:28:29.205
<00:28:26.845>so <00:28:27.195>valuable, <00:28:27.545>try <00:28:27.895>it <00:28:28.245>out.

490
00:28:29.425 --> 00:28:31.245
<00:28:29.425>Try <00:28:29.705>it <00:28:29.985>not <00:28:30.264>one <00:28:30.544>time. <00:28:30.825>Yeah.

491
00:28:31.245 --> 00:28:34.805
<00:28:31.245>Because <00:28:31.400>maybe <00:28:31.556>at <00:28:31.711>first <00:28:31.867>time <00:28:32.022>you <00:28:32.178>get <00:28:32.333>a <00:28:32.489>positive <00:28:32.645>result

492
00:28:34.905 --> 00:28:37.125
<00:28:34.905>and <00:28:35.138>you <00:28:35.371>think, <00:28:35.605>wow, <00:28:35.838>I <00:28:36.071>understand <00:28:36.305>that.

493
00:28:37.665 --> 00:28:42.645
<00:28:37.665>Um, <00:28:37.805>try <00:28:37.945>the <00:28:38.085>edge <00:28:38.225>cases, <00:28:38.365>try <00:28:38.504>to, <00:28:38.645>uh, <00:28:38.784>use <00:28:38.925>different <00:28:39.065>methods,

494
00:28:43.065 --> 00:28:44.205
<00:28:43.065>try <00:28:43.578>to <00:28:44.091>Yeah.

495
00:28:44.295 --> 00:28:48.205
<00:28:44.295>Maybe <00:28:44.495>go <00:28:44.695>beyond <00:28:44.895>your <00:28:45.095>own <00:28:45.295>limits, <00:28:45.495>uh, <00:28:45.695>try

496
00:28:48.205 --> 00:28:51.085
<00:28:48.205>to <00:28:48.405>implement <00:28:48.605>something <00:28:48.804>in, <00:28:49.004>for <00:28:49.205>example, <00:28:49.405>a <00:28:49.605>framework

497
00:28:51.085 --> 00:28:55.885
<00:28:51.085>or <00:28:51.285>a <00:28:51.485>programming <00:28:51.685>language <00:28:51.885>you <00:28:52.085>don't <00:28:52.285>really <00:28:52.485>know

498
00:28:55.985 --> 00:28:57.365
<00:28:55.985>or <00:28:56.399>not <00:28:56.812>well <00:28:57.227>known.

499
00:28:57.595 --> 00:29:01.405
<00:28:57.595>Yeah. <00:28:57.770>Um, <00:28:57.945>I <00:28:58.120>was <00:28:58.295>the <00:28:58.470>typical <00:28:58.645>do <00:28:58.820>net <00:28:58.995>guy,

500
00:29:01.585 --> 00:29:03.885
<00:29:01.585>and <00:29:01.935>since <00:29:02.285>four <00:29:02.635>years, <00:29:02.985>uh,

501
00:29:04.265 --> 00:29:06.445
<00:29:04.265>we <00:29:04.615>transferred <00:29:04.965>everything <00:29:05.315>to <00:29:05.665>TypeScript.

502
00:29:06.445 --> 00:29:08.405
<00:29:06.445>Yeah. <00:29:06.911>No <00:29:07.378>jazz, <00:29:07.845>TypeScript.

503
00:29:09.145 --> 00:29:13.405
<00:29:09.145>Um, <00:29:09.345>and <00:29:09.545>so, <00:29:09.745>uh, <00:29:09.945>even <00:29:10.145>that <00:29:10.345>I <00:29:10.545>had

504
00:29:13.405 --> 00:29:15.005
<00:29:13.405>to <00:29:13.871>adapt <00:29:14.338>my <00:29:14.805>patterns.

505
00:29:15.205 --> 00:29:19.445
<00:29:15.205>I <00:29:15.360>have <00:29:15.516>to <00:29:15.671>adapt <00:29:15.827>my <00:29:15.982>thinking, <00:29:16.138>um, <00:29:16.293>even <00:29:16.449>the, <00:29:16.605>the

506
00:29:19.995 --> 00:29:21.365
<00:29:19.995>work, <00:29:20.611>uh, <00:29:21.228>tools

507
00:29:21.625 --> 00:29:23.885
<00:29:21.625>or <00:29:21.825>the <00:29:22.025>tools, <00:29:22.225>uh, <00:29:22.425>which <00:29:22.625>we <00:29:22.825>work <00:29:23.025>with

508
00:29:24.685 --> 00:29:26.915
<00:29:24.685>completely <00:29:25.034>different <00:29:25.385>skillset <00:29:25.735>right <00:29:26.085>now.

509
00:29:27.635 --> 00:29:28.635
<00:29:27.635>Yeah. <00:29:28.535>Mm-hmm.

510
00:29:29.505 --> 00:29:31.595
<00:29:29.505>Yeah. <00:29:29.660>A <00:29:29.816>lot <00:29:29.971>more <00:29:30.127>guidance, <00:29:30.282>I <00:29:30.438>think, <00:29:30.593>by <00:29:30.749>the <00:29:30.905>tool.

511
00:29:31.595 --> 00:29:32.595
<00:29:31.595>Like, <00:29:31.895>and <00:29:32.195>I <00:29:32.495>love

512
00:29:32.595 --> 00:29:34.515
<00:29:32.595>that <00:29:32.795>you <00:29:32.995>have <00:29:33.195>like <00:29:33.395>platforms <00:29:33.595>like <00:29:33.795>hugging <00:29:33.995>face

513
00:29:34.515 --> 00:29:36.195
<00:29:34.515>and <00:29:34.715>stuff <00:29:34.915>where <00:29:35.115>you <00:29:35.315>can <00:29:35.515>try <00:29:35.715>things <00:29:35.915>out

514
00:29:36.335 --> 00:29:40.075
<00:29:36.335>and <00:29:36.490>uh, <00:29:36.646>uh, <00:29:36.801>in <00:29:36.957>browser <00:29:37.112>environments <00:29:37.268>that <00:29:37.423>basically <00:29:37.579>allow <00:29:37.735>you

515
00:29:40.075 --> 00:29:42.805
<00:29:40.075>to <00:29:40.250>just <00:29:40.425>play <00:29:40.600>with <00:29:40.775>stuff <00:29:40.950>without <00:29:41.125>having <00:29:41.300>to <00:29:41.475>completely

516
00:29:43.435 --> 00:29:44.445
<00:29:43.435>mess <00:29:43.737>up <00:29:44.041>your <00:29:44.344>machine.

517
00:29:44.755 --> 00:29:47.645
<00:29:44.755>Yeah. <00:29:44.882>I, <00:29:45.009>I <00:29:45.136>think <00:29:45.264>that's <00:29:45.391>a <00:29:45.518>very, <00:29:45.645>that's <00:29:45.773>a <00:29:45.900>very <00:29:46.027>amazing <00:29:46.155>thing.

518
00:29:47.875 --> 00:29:50.365
<00:29:47.875>It's <00:29:48.015>funny <00:29:48.155>that <00:29:48.295>most <00:29:48.435>people <00:29:48.575>who <00:29:48.715>wrote <00:29:48.855>a <00:29:48.995>book <00:29:49.135>say <00:29:49.275>like,

519
00:29:50.365 --> 00:29:52.565
<00:29:50.365>books <00:29:50.540>are, <00:29:50.715>are <00:29:50.890>too, <00:29:51.065>too <00:29:51.240>outdated <00:29:51.415>and <00:29:51.590>too <00:29:51.765>fast,

520
00:29:52.585 --> 00:29:53.725
<00:29:52.585>and <00:29:52.790>'cause <00:29:52.995>the <00:29:53.200>same <00:29:53.405>with <00:29:53.610>me.

521
00:29:53.995 --> 00:29:55.485
<00:29:53.995>Like, <00:29:54.218>I <00:29:54.442>mean, <00:29:54.665>I <00:29:54.889>wrote <00:29:55.112>six <00:29:55.335>books

522
00:29:55.945 --> 00:29:58.965
<00:29:55.945>and, <00:29:56.061>uh, <00:29:56.178>it, <00:29:56.294>it <00:29:56.411>always <00:29:56.528>felt <00:29:56.645>like <00:29:56.761>by <00:29:56.878>the <00:29:56.995>time <00:29:57.111>they <00:29:57.228>came <00:29:57.345>out,

523
00:29:59.005 --> 00:30:00.085
<00:29:59.005>I <00:29:59.248>wanted <00:29:59.491>to <00:29:59.734>rewrite <00:29:59.977>them.

524
00:30:00.505 --> 00:30:03.725
<00:30:00.505>Uh, <00:30:00.705>yeah, <00:30:00.905>because, <00:30:01.105>and <00:30:01.305>ironically <00:30:01.505>enough, <00:30:01.705>the <00:30:01.905>books

525
00:30:03.755 --> 00:30:06.045
<00:30:03.755>that <00:30:03.955>I <00:30:04.155>did, <00:30:04.355>uh, <00:30:04.555>are <00:30:04.755>also <00:30:04.955>higher <00:30:05.155>level

526
00:30:06.585 --> 00:30:09.525
<00:30:06.585>and, <00:30:06.712>uh, <00:30:06.839>are <00:30:06.966>like <00:30:07.094>far <00:30:07.221>away <00:30:07.348>from <00:30:07.475>the <00:30:07.603>thing <00:30:07.730>rather <00:30:07.857>than <00:30:07.985>like,

527
00:30:09.545 --> 00:30:12.325
<00:30:09.545>uh, <00:30:09.745>uh, <00:30:09.945>ideas <00:30:10.145>and, <00:30:10.345>and <00:30:10.545>structures <00:30:10.745>rather <00:30:10.945>than,

528
00:30:12.325 --> 00:30:14.005
<00:30:12.325>or <00:30:12.558>syntax <00:30:12.791>in <00:30:13.025>this <00:30:13.258>case, <00:30:13.491>in <00:30:13.725>JavaScript.

529
00:30:14.425 --> 00:30:17.045
<00:30:14.425>Uh, <00:30:14.600>but <00:30:14.774>yeah, <00:30:14.950>the, <00:30:15.125>the, <00:30:15.300>the <00:30:15.475>books <00:30:15.649>that <00:30:15.825>sell

530
00:30:17.065 --> 00:30:19.325
<00:30:17.065>and <00:30:17.181>make <00:30:17.298>a <00:30:17.415>lot <00:30:17.531>of <00:30:17.648>money <00:30:17.765>are <00:30:17.881>the <00:30:17.998>ones <00:30:18.115>that <00:30:18.231>are <00:30:18.348>actually <00:30:18.465>like,

531
00:30:19.385 --> 00:30:21.125
<00:30:19.385>uh, <00:30:19.851>chat <00:30:20.318>GPT-3 <00:30:20.785>0.5,

532
00:30:21.145 --> 00:30:24.245
<00:30:21.145>and <00:30:21.272>then <00:30:21.399>next <00:30:21.526>week, <00:30:21.654>next <00:30:21.781>month <00:30:21.908>you <00:30:22.035>can <00:30:22.163>buy <00:30:22.290>the <00:30:22.417>chat <00:30:22.545>GPT-4

533
00:30:24.245 --> 00:30:25.805
<00:30:24.245>book <00:30:24.478>and <00:30:24.711>so <00:30:24.945>on <00:30:25.178>and <00:30:25.411>so <00:30:25.645>forth.

534
00:30:25.865 --> 00:30:28.085
<00:30:25.865>But <00:30:26.065>it <00:30:26.265>feels <00:30:26.465>so <00:30:26.665>wasteful, <00:30:26.865>like <00:30:27.065>this <00:30:27.265>is

535
00:30:28.085 --> 00:30:31.125
<00:30:28.085>what <00:30:28.201>the <00:30:28.318>web <00:30:28.435>was <00:30:28.551>meant <00:30:28.668>to <00:30:28.785>be, <00:30:28.901>like <00:30:29.018>it <00:30:29.135>was <00:30:29.251>web <00:30:29.368>was <00:30:29.485>meant

536
00:30:31.125 --> 00:30:32.805
<00:30:31.125>for <00:30:31.325>rather <00:30:31.525>than <00:30:31.725>printing <00:30:31.925>the <00:30:32.125>thing <00:30:32.325>on <00:30:32.525>paper

537
00:30:32.865 --> 00:30:34.645
<00:30:32.865>and <00:30:33.040>then <00:30:33.215>becomes <00:30:33.390>outdated <00:30:33.565>by <00:30:33.740>the <00:30:33.915>time <00:30:34.090>it's <00:30:34.265>out.

538
00:30:35.465 --> 00:30:37.045
<00:30:35.465>Uh, <00:30:35.745>but <00:30:36.024>yeah, <00:30:36.304>it's, <00:30:36.584>it's <00:30:36.865>great.

539
00:30:37.045 --> 00:30:39.565
<00:30:37.045>The, <00:30:37.220>the <00:30:37.395>experimental <00:30:37.570>thing, <00:30:37.745>I <00:30:37.920>think <00:30:38.095>is <00:30:38.270>very <00:30:38.445>cool

540
00:30:39.585 --> 00:30:42.325
<00:30:39.585>and <00:30:39.725>be <00:30:39.865>like <00:30:40.005>fearless <00:30:40.145>about <00:30:40.285>it <00:30:40.425>and <00:30:40.565>just <00:30:40.705>try <00:30:40.845>things <00:30:40.985>out.

541
00:31:01.045 --> 00:31:03.775
<00:31:01.045>It's <00:31:01.185>something <00:31:01.325>you <00:31:01.465>could <00:31:01.605>pick <00:31:01.745>from <00:31:01.885>a <00:31:02.025>select <00:31:02.165>box <00:31:02.305>as <00:31:02.445>well,

542
00:31:03.775 --> 00:31:05.495
<00:31:03.775>rather <00:31:03.975>than <00:31:04.175>like <00:31:04.375>ask <00:31:04.575>a <00:31:04.775>prompt <00:31:04.975>to <00:31:05.175>do

543
00:31:05.495 --> 00:31:06.495
<00:31:05.495>It. <00:31:05.945>Not <00:31:06.395>really

544
00:31:06.495 --> 00:31:08.255
<00:31:06.495>an <00:31:06.844>AI <00:31:07.195>use <00:31:07.544>case. <00:31:07.895>No.

545
00:31:09.085 --> 00:31:11.295
<00:31:09.085>Yeah, <00:31:09.365>Yeah. <00:31:09.645>That, <00:31:09.925>that's <00:31:10.205>the <00:31:10.485>point.

546
00:31:11.715 --> 00:31:13.815
<00:31:11.715>So <00:31:11.995>when <00:31:12.274>do <00:31:12.554>we <00:31:12.834>use <00:31:13.115>ai?

547
00:31:13.915 --> 00:31:16.575
<00:31:13.915>And <00:31:14.148>when <00:31:14.381>it's <00:31:14.615>just <00:31:14.848>a <00:31:15.081>simple <00:31:15.315>tool

548
00:31:16.635 --> 00:31:20.935
<00:31:16.635>or <00:31:16.790>a <00:31:16.946>simple <00:31:17.101>automation, <00:31:17.257>uh, <00:31:17.412>that's <00:31:17.568>the <00:31:17.723>main <00:31:17.879>discussion, <00:31:18.035>uh,

549
00:31:20.955 --> 00:31:23.735
<00:31:20.955>we <00:31:21.155>have <00:31:21.355>with <00:31:21.554>our, <00:31:21.754>uh, <00:31:21.955>customers <00:31:22.155>in <00:31:22.355>projects.

550
00:31:24.195 --> 00:31:26.335
<00:31:24.195>So, <00:31:24.475>um, <00:31:24.754>what <00:31:25.034>are <00:31:25.314>your <00:31:25.595>processes?

551
00:31:26.395 --> 00:31:30.695
<00:31:26.395>And <00:31:26.595>if <00:31:26.795>we <00:31:26.995>think <00:31:27.195>about <00:31:27.395>ai, <00:31:27.595>uh, <00:31:27.795>implementing

552
00:31:30.715 --> 00:31:35.215
<00:31:30.715>and <00:31:30.889>so <00:31:31.064>on, <00:31:31.240>it's <00:31:31.415>mostly, <00:31:31.590>yeah, <00:31:31.764>sort <00:31:31.939>of <00:31:32.115>glue

553
00:31:35.365 --> 00:31:39.495
<00:31:35.365>between, <00:31:35.565>uh, <00:31:35.765>scripts <00:31:35.965>and <00:31:36.165>processes <00:31:36.365>and <00:31:36.565>so <00:31:36.765>on.

554
00:31:39.605 --> 00:31:44.415
<00:31:39.605>It's <00:31:39.745>not <00:31:39.885>the, <00:31:40.025>the <00:31:40.165>huge, <00:31:40.305>uh, <00:31:40.445>big <00:31:40.585>part <00:31:40.725>in <00:31:40.865>a, <00:31:41.005>uh,

555
00:31:44.435 --> 00:31:46.095
<00:31:44.435>in <00:31:44.715>a <00:31:44.995>business <00:31:45.274>project, <00:31:45.554>uh, <00:31:45.835>project.

556
00:31:46.485 --> 00:31:49.895
<00:31:46.485>It's <00:31:46.685>just <00:31:46.885>the <00:31:47.084>glue <00:31:47.284>gluing <00:31:47.485>parts <00:31:47.685>right <00:31:47.885>now.

557
00:31:50.955 --> 00:31:52.805
<00:31:50.955>Much <00:31:51.188>like <00:31:51.421>cloud <00:31:51.655>and <00:31:51.888>frameworks <00:31:52.121>were <00:31:52.355>before.

558
00:31:53.705 --> 00:31:56.365
<00:31:53.705>Yeah. <00:31:54.405>Cool. <00:31:55.105>Exactly.

559
00:31:56.705 --> 00:31:58.605
<00:31:56.705>So <00:31:56.938>what <00:31:57.171>are <00:31:57.405>you <00:31:57.638>most <00:31:57.871>excited <00:31:58.105>about

560
00:31:58.665 --> 00:31:59.845
<00:31:58.665>the <00:31:59.019>World <00:31:59.373>Congress <00:31:59.727>about?

561
00:31:59.845 --> 00:32:02.085
<00:31:59.845>Like <00:32:00.045>what <00:32:00.245>excites <00:32:00.445>you <00:32:00.645>most <00:32:00.845>about <00:32:01.045>the <00:32:01.245>event?

562
00:32:04.485 --> 00:32:09.325
<00:32:04.485>I <00:32:04.612>mean, <00:32:04.739>um, <00:32:04.866>uh, <00:32:04.994>I <00:32:05.121>think <00:32:05.248>it's, <00:32:05.375>uh, <00:32:05.503>now <00:32:05.630>the <00:32:05.757>third <00:32:05.885>time,

563
00:32:09.705 --> 00:32:11.325
<00:32:09.705>uh, <00:32:10.171>there, <00:32:10.638>uh, <00:32:11.105>speaking,

564
00:32:11.625 --> 00:32:14.085
<00:32:11.625>and <00:32:11.800>I <00:32:11.975>have <00:32:12.150>to <00:32:12.325>say <00:32:12.500>it's, <00:32:12.675>it's <00:32:12.850>the <00:32:13.025>people.

565
00:32:14.905 --> 00:32:18.845
<00:32:14.905>Um, <00:32:15.060>you, <00:32:15.216>you <00:32:15.371>say <00:32:15.527>it <00:32:15.682>every <00:32:15.838>year <00:32:15.993>on <00:32:16.149>the <00:32:16.305>stage,

566
00:32:19.255 --> 00:32:24.005
<00:32:19.255>there <00:32:19.410>are <00:32:19.566>a <00:32:19.721>bunch <00:32:19.877>of, <00:32:20.032>uh, <00:32:20.188>highly <00:32:20.343>intelligent, <00:32:20.499>smart <00:32:20.655>people.

567
00:32:24.665 --> 00:32:28.445
<00:32:24.665>And <00:32:24.898>to <00:32:25.131>have <00:32:25.365>so <00:32:25.598>many <00:32:25.831>of, <00:32:26.065>uh,

568
00:32:28.775 --> 00:32:31.835
<00:32:28.775>great <00:32:29.125>people <00:32:29.475>in <00:32:29.825>small, <00:32:30.175>uh,

569
00:32:33.505 --> 00:32:37.755
<00:32:33.505>quotation <00:32:33.705>marks, <00:32:33.905>uh, <00:32:34.105>small <00:32:34.305>play, <00:32:34.505>uh, <00:32:34.705>space, <00:32:34.905>uh,

570
00:32:38.015 --> 00:32:39.155
<00:32:38.015>that's <00:32:39.041>astonishing.

571
00:32:39.285 --> 00:32:41.245
<00:32:39.285>Yeah. <00:32:39.565>I <00:32:39.845>mean, <00:32:40.125>it's <00:32:40.405>the <00:32:40.685>spirit.

572
00:32:41.905 --> 00:32:46.365
<00:32:41.905>Uh, <00:32:42.045>you <00:32:42.185>have <00:32:42.325>a <00:32:42.465>lot <00:32:42.605>of <00:32:42.745>nice <00:32:42.885>people <00:32:43.024>you <00:32:43.165>can <00:32:43.305>discuss.

573
00:32:46.385 --> 00:32:50.405
<00:32:46.385>You <00:32:46.560>have <00:32:46.735>a <00:32:46.910>lot <00:32:47.085>of <00:32:47.260>different <00:32:47.435>viewing <00:32:47.610>angles. <00:32:47.785>Yeah.

574
00:32:50.405 --> 00:32:53.845
<00:32:50.405>Because <00:32:50.638>for <00:32:50.871>example, <00:32:51.105>we <00:32:51.338>here <00:32:51.571>in <00:32:51.805>Germany

575
00:32:54.105 --> 00:32:56.445
<00:32:54.105>or <00:32:54.455>Europe, <00:32:54.805>very <00:32:55.155>privacy <00:32:55.505>focused

576
00:32:56.665 --> 00:33:00.365
<00:32:56.665>and <00:32:56.840>so <00:32:57.014>on <00:32:57.190>data <00:32:57.365>security, <00:32:57.540>you <00:32:57.715>talk <00:32:57.889>with <00:32:58.065>people

577
00:33:00.545 --> 00:33:04.125
<00:33:00.545>around <00:33:00.700>the <00:33:00.856>globe, <00:33:01.011>uh, <00:33:01.167>they <00:33:01.322>have <00:33:01.478>different <00:33:01.633>side <00:33:01.789>of <00:33:01.945>things.

578
00:33:04.785 --> 00:33:09.125
<00:33:04.785>Um, <00:33:05.018>they <00:33:05.251>have <00:33:05.485>different, <00:33:05.718>yeah, <00:33:05.951>imagination <00:33:06.185>of

579
00:33:09.235 --> 00:33:11.845
<00:33:09.235>what <00:33:09.468>they <00:33:09.701>can <00:33:09.935>do <00:33:10.168>with <00:33:10.401>their <00:33:10.635>tools.

580
00:33:12.425 --> 00:33:16.885
<00:33:12.425>Um, <00:33:12.565>I <00:33:12.705>can't <00:33:12.845>remember <00:33:12.985>last <00:33:13.125>year, <00:33:13.264>uh, <00:33:13.405>at <00:33:13.544>my <00:33:13.685>masterclass, <00:33:13.825>uh,

581
00:33:17.645 --> 00:33:21.445
<00:33:17.645>a <00:33:17.800>complete <00:33:17.956>team, <00:33:18.111>uh, <00:33:18.267>from <00:33:18.422>South <00:33:18.578>Africa, <00:33:18.733>uh, <00:33:18.889>was <00:33:19.045>there.

582
00:33:21.705 --> 00:33:26.365
<00:33:21.705>And <00:33:21.879>it <00:33:22.054>was <00:33:22.230>amazing <00:33:22.405>how <00:33:22.580>all <00:33:22.754>these <00:33:22.929>people, <00:33:23.105>uh,

583
00:33:26.395 --> 00:33:30.605
<00:33:26.395>work <00:33:26.570>together <00:33:26.745>in <00:33:26.920>the <00:33:27.095>masterclass <00:33:27.270>and, <00:33:27.445>uh, <00:33:27.620>gained <00:33:27.795>ideas

584
00:33:30.905 --> 00:33:33.485
<00:33:30.905>and, <00:33:31.254>uh, <00:33:31.605>went <00:33:31.955>out, <00:33:32.305>uh,

585
00:33:33.545 --> 00:33:37.525
<00:33:33.545>and <00:33:33.745>wanted <00:33:33.945>to <00:33:34.145>try <00:33:34.345>everything, <00:33:34.545>uh, <00:33:34.745>for <00:33:34.945>themselves,

586
00:33:37.865 --> 00:33:39.165
<00:33:37.865>uh, <00:33:38.255>at <00:33:38.645>the <00:33:39.034>office.

587
00:33:39.425 --> 00:33:42.925
<00:33:39.425>And <00:33:39.705>this <00:33:39.985>is <00:33:40.264>something, <00:33:40.544>um, <00:33:40.825>which

588
00:33:43.725 --> 00:33:48.125
<00:33:43.725>I <00:33:43.865>take <00:33:44.004>away <00:33:44.145>from, <00:33:44.284>uh, <00:33:44.425>we <00:33:44.564>are <00:33:44.705>developers, <00:33:44.844>uh, <00:33:44.985>if <00:33:45.125>you,

589
00:33:48.505 --> 00:33:49.725
<00:33:48.505>uh, <00:33:49.054>come <00:33:49.602>home

590
00:33:49.865 --> 00:33:53.565
<00:33:49.865>or, <00:33:50.005>uh, <00:33:50.145>back <00:33:50.285>to <00:33:50.425>your <00:33:50.565>office, <00:33:50.705>you <00:33:50.845>are <00:33:50.985>pumped <00:33:51.125>with <00:33:51.265>ideas,

591
00:33:53.745 --> 00:33:55.725
<00:33:53.745>you <00:33:54.094>are <00:33:54.445>pumped <00:33:54.794>with <00:33:55.145>innovation.

592
00:33:56.025 --> 00:33:58.365
<00:33:56.025>And, <00:33:56.375>um, <00:33:56.725>I <00:33:57.075>think, <00:33:57.425>uh,

593
00:33:58.435 --> 00:34:00.765
<00:33:58.435>this <00:33:58.668>is <00:33:58.901>pretty <00:33:59.135>special <00:33:59.368>and <00:33:59.601>pretty <00:33:59.835>unique.

594
00:34:02.395 --> 00:34:04.925
<00:34:02.395>Cool. <00:34:02.628>Well, <00:34:02.861>I <00:34:03.095>guess <00:34:03.328>that's, <00:34:03.561>uh, <00:34:03.795>uh,

595
00:34:04.945 --> 00:34:06.325
<00:34:04.945>that's <00:34:05.193>all <00:34:05.441>we <00:34:05.690>have <00:34:05.938>time <00:34:06.187>for.

596
00:34:06.385 --> 00:34:08.205
<00:34:06.385>So <00:34:06.540>this <00:34:06.696>was <00:34:06.851>great <00:34:07.007>to <00:34:07.162>talk <00:34:07.318>to <00:34:07.473>you <00:34:07.629>about <00:34:07.785>this.

597
00:34:08.305 --> 00:34:10.445
<00:34:08.304>And, <00:34:08.460>uh, <00:34:08.616>we <00:34:08.771>are <00:34:08.927>looking <00:34:09.082>forward <00:34:09.238>to <00:34:09.393>seeing <00:34:09.549>your <00:34:09.705>class.

598
00:34:11.065 --> 00:34:13.805
<00:34:11.065>Um, <00:34:11.240>we <00:34:11.415>are <00:34:11.590>gonna <00:34:11.764>be <00:34:11.940>linking <00:34:12.115>it <00:34:12.290>as <00:34:12.465>well.

599
00:34:13.905 --> 00:34:16.245
<00:34:13.905>So, <00:34:14.060>'cause <00:34:14.216>I <00:34:14.371>mean, <00:34:14.527>the, <00:34:14.682>uh, <00:34:14.838>the <00:34:14.993>question <00:34:15.149>is <00:34:15.305>like,

600
00:34:16.245 --> 00:34:19.405
<00:34:16.245>how <00:34:16.384>many <00:34:16.525>people <00:34:16.665>are <00:34:16.804>gonna <00:34:16.944>come, <00:34:17.085>uh, <00:34:17.225>like <00:34:17.364>when <00:34:17.505>it <00:34:17.645>comes

601
00:34:19.425 --> 00:34:21.285
<00:34:19.425>to <00:34:19.775>teaching <00:34:20.125>like <00:34:20.475>master <00:34:20.825>classes

602
00:34:21.465 --> 00:34:23.325
<00:34:21.465>and <00:34:21.665>stuff, <00:34:21.865>like <00:34:22.065>what <00:34:22.265>is <00:34:22.465>your <00:34:22.665>magic <00:34:22.865>number?

603
00:34:23.795 --> 00:34:26.205
<00:34:23.795>Like <00:34:23.935>how <00:34:24.075>many <00:34:24.215>people <00:34:24.355>do <00:34:24.495>you <00:34:24.635>want <00:34:24.775>to <00:34:24.915>have <00:34:25.055>in, <00:34:25.195>in,

604
00:34:26.225 --> 00:34:28.485
<00:34:26.225>in <00:34:26.364>a <00:34:26.505>course, <00:34:26.645>and <00:34:26.784>when <00:34:26.924>do <00:34:27.065>you <00:34:27.205>think <00:34:27.344>it <00:34:27.485>becomes <00:34:27.625>painful

605
00:34:28.545 --> 00:34:30.045
<00:34:28.545>and <00:34:28.737>you <00:34:28.930>don't <00:34:29.123>have <00:34:29.316>enough <00:34:29.509>time <00:34:29.702>for <00:34:29.895>people?

606
00:34:30.865 --> 00:34:32.005
<00:34:30.864>It <00:34:31.377>really <00:34:31.891>depends.

607
00:34:32.445 --> 00:34:34.005
<00:34:32.445>I, <00:34:32.795>I <00:34:33.145>had, <00:34:33.495>uh, <00:34:33.845>courses

608
00:34:34.305 --> 00:34:38.245
<00:34:34.304>or <00:34:34.585>workshops <00:34:34.864>with, <00:34:35.145>uh, <00:34:35.424>20 <00:34:35.705>people.

609
00:34:39.475 --> 00:34:41.325
<00:34:39.475>They're <00:34:40.174>so <00:34:40.875>engaged

610
00:34:41.665 --> 00:34:46.245
<00:34:41.665>and <00:34:41.898>everybody, <00:34:42.131>uh, <00:34:42.364>wanted <00:34:42.598>to, <00:34:42.831>um, <00:34:43.065>yeah,

611
00:34:46.625 --> 00:34:48.005
<00:34:46.625>really <00:34:47.867>participate.

612
00:34:48.585 --> 00:34:51.965
<00:34:48.585>Um, <00:34:48.712>this <00:34:48.839>could <00:34:48.966>be <00:34:49.094>for <00:34:49.221>the, <00:34:49.348>for <00:34:49.475>the <00:34:49.603>trainer, <00:34:49.730>a <00:34:49.857>little <00:34:49.985>bit

613
00:34:52.535 --> 00:34:54.125
<00:34:52.534>exhausting <00:34:53.001>over <00:34:53.468>the <00:34:53.935>day.

614
00:34:54.155 --> 00:34:56.565
<00:34:54.155>Yeah. <00:34:54.435>But, <00:34:54.715>um, <00:34:54.995>that's <00:34:55.275>the <00:34:55.555>nature.

615
00:34:57.465 --> 00:35:00.605
<00:34:57.465>And, <00:34:57.665>uh, <00:34:57.865>I <00:34:58.065>had <00:34:58.265>workshops <00:34:58.465>with <00:34:58.665>40 <00:34:58.865>people

616
00:35:00.865 --> 00:35:02.605
<00:35:00.865>and, <00:35:01.214>uh, <00:35:01.564>20 <00:35:01.915>of <00:35:02.265>them,

617
00:35:02.785 --> 00:35:06.565
<00:35:02.785>or <00:35:02.984>30 <00:35:03.185>of <00:35:03.384>them, <00:35:03.585>um, <00:35:03.785>didn't <00:35:03.984>really <00:35:04.185>participate.

618
00:35:06.745 --> 00:35:11.645
<00:35:06.745>So, <00:35:06.900>um, <00:35:07.056>it <00:35:07.211>really <00:35:07.367>depends <00:35:07.522>on, <00:35:07.678>uh, <00:35:07.833>on <00:35:07.989>the <00:35:08.145>audience.

619
00:35:11.945 --> 00:35:16.525
<00:35:11.945>And, <00:35:12.085>uh, <00:35:12.225>I, <00:35:12.365>uh, <00:35:12.505>really <00:35:12.645>prefer <00:35:12.785>so <00:35:12.925>around <00:35:13.065>30 <00:35:13.205>to <00:35:13.345>four

620
00:35:16.625 --> 00:35:17.965
<00:35:16.625>or <00:35:17.228>40 <00:35:17.831>people.

621
00:35:18.625 --> 00:35:23.525
<00:35:18.625>Um, <00:35:18.780>that's, <00:35:18.936>uh, <00:35:19.091>a <00:35:19.247>nice <00:35:19.402>number <00:35:19.558>where <00:35:19.713>you <00:35:19.869>can, <00:35:20.025>uh,

622
00:35:23.715 --> 00:35:28.605
<00:35:23.715>have <00:35:23.890>some, <00:35:24.065>uh, <00:35:24.240>very, <00:35:24.415>uh, <00:35:24.590>good <00:35:24.765>insights, <00:35:24.940>uh, <00:35:25.115>feedbacks

623
00:35:29.185 --> 00:35:34.085
<00:35:29.185>and <00:35:29.340>yeah, <00:35:29.496>you <00:35:29.651>see, <00:35:29.807>uh, <00:35:29.962>that's <00:35:30.118>a <00:35:30.273>sort <00:35:30.429>of, <00:35:30.585>um,

624
00:35:34.415 --> 00:35:36.645
<00:35:34.415>engagement <00:35:34.765>in <00:35:35.115>the <00:35:35.465>group, <00:35:35.815>um,

625
00:35:37.095 --> 00:35:40.365
<00:35:37.095>which <00:35:37.234>you <00:35:37.375>wouldn't <00:35:37.515>have <00:35:37.654>if <00:35:37.794>you <00:35:37.935>only <00:35:38.075>have, <00:35:38.214>for <00:35:38.355>example, <00:35:38.495>five

626
00:35:40.385 --> 00:35:43.765
<00:35:40.385>or <00:35:40.525>10 <00:35:40.665>people <00:35:40.805>because <00:35:40.945>everybody <00:35:41.085>is <00:35:41.225>with <00:35:41.365>a, <00:35:41.505>uh, <00:35:41.645>is <00:35:41.785>a

627
00:35:44.345 --> 00:35:47.725
<00:35:44.345>little <00:35:44.544>bit <00:35:44.745>shy, <00:35:44.944>uh, <00:35:45.145>on <00:35:45.345>the <00:35:45.544>shy <00:35:45.745>side.

628
00:35:47.905 --> 00:35:51.605
<00:35:47.905>And, <00:35:48.105>uh, <00:35:48.305>maybe <00:35:48.505>my <00:35:48.705>question <00:35:48.905>isn't <00:35:49.105>good <00:35:49.305>enough

629
00:35:51.665 --> 00:35:55.365
<00:35:51.665>or <00:35:51.805>something <00:35:51.945>like <00:35:52.085>that <00:35:52.225>in <00:35:52.365>a <00:35:52.505>larger <00:35:52.645>group, <00:35:52.785>I <00:35:52.925>think, <00:35:53.065>um,

630
00:35:56.935 --> 00:35:59.555
<00:35:56.935>the <00:35:57.215>probability <00:35:57.495>if <00:35:57.775>somebody <00:35:58.055>is <00:35:58.335>shy,

631
00:35:59.555 --> 00:36:02.475
<00:35:59.555>another <00:35:59.788>will <00:36:00.021>ask <00:36:00.254>the <00:36:00.488>question <00:36:00.721>much <00:36:00.955>higher.

632
00:36:02.935 --> 00:36:06.475
<00:36:02.935>So, <00:36:03.090>um, <00:36:03.246>I, <00:36:03.401>I <00:36:03.557>really <00:36:03.712>like <00:36:03.868>to <00:36:04.023>see <00:36:04.179>that. <00:36:04.335>Yeah.

633
00:36:07.015 --> 00:36:09.275
<00:36:07.015>And <00:36:07.295>there <00:36:07.575>are <00:36:07.855>no <00:36:08.134>stupid <00:36:08.415>questions

634
00:36:09.495 --> 00:36:12.235
<00:36:09.495>and <00:36:09.728>as <00:36:09.961>I <00:36:10.194>always <00:36:10.428>say, <00:36:10.661>the <00:36:10.895>workshops

635
00:36:12.235 --> 00:36:15.555
<00:36:12.235>or <00:36:12.468>the <00:36:12.701>master <00:36:12.935>class <00:36:13.168>are <00:36:13.401>the <00:36:13.635>attendees,

636
00:36:15.955 --> 00:36:17.035
<00:36:15.955>workshops <00:36:16.279>and <00:36:16.603>master <00:36:16.926>classes.

637
00:36:17.295 --> 00:36:21.395
<00:36:17.295>So <00:36:17.450>they, <00:36:17.606>uh, <00:36:17.761>doesn't <00:36:17.917>have <00:36:18.072>to, <00:36:18.228>uh, <00:36:18.383>look <00:36:18.539>at, <00:36:18.695>uh,

638
00:36:21.565 --> 00:36:23.395
<00:36:21.565>PowerPoint <00:36:21.915>slides <00:36:22.265>the <00:36:22.615>whole <00:36:22.965>day

639
00:36:23.575 --> 00:36:25.955
<00:36:23.575>and, <00:36:23.808>uh, <00:36:24.041>just, <00:36:24.274>uh, <00:36:24.508>feed <00:36:24.741>it <00:36:24.975>in.

640
00:36:26.145 --> 00:36:29.715
<00:36:26.145>It's <00:36:26.272>an <00:36:26.399>interaction <00:36:26.526>and <00:36:26.654>I <00:36:26.781>want <00:36:26.908>to <00:36:27.035>keep <00:36:27.163>it <00:36:27.290>that <00:36:27.417>way. <00:36:27.545>Yeah.

641
00:36:30.065 --> 00:36:32.475
<00:36:30.065>Well, <00:36:30.265>thanks <00:36:30.465>very <00:36:30.665>much. <00:36:30.865>This <00:36:31.065>was <00:36:31.265>Patrick <00:36:31.465>Schnell,

642
00:36:32.695 --> 00:36:34.155
<00:36:32.695>the <00:36:33.352>AI <00:36:34.009>enabler.

643
00:36:34.175 --> 00:36:36.795
<00:36:34.175>It <00:36:34.350>could <00:36:34.525>be <00:36:34.700>AI <00:36:34.875>enabler <00:36:35.050>to <00:36:35.225>make <00:36:35.400>it <00:36:35.575>shorter.

644
00:36:36.895 --> 00:36:39.275
<00:36:36.895>AI <00:36:37.175>enabler. <00:36:37.455>Uh, <00:36:37.735>no, <00:36:38.015>not <00:36:38.295>really.

645
00:36:39.845 --> 00:36:42.835
<00:36:39.845>Thank <00:36:39.984>you <00:36:40.125>so <00:36:40.265>much <00:36:40.404>for <00:36:40.544>being <00:36:40.685>part <00:36:40.825>of <00:36:40.964>this. <00:36:41.105>Thank <00:36:41.245>you.

646
00:36:42.835 --> 00:36:44.235
<00:36:42.835>You, <00:36:42.992>thanks <00:36:43.150>so <00:36:43.307>much <00:36:43.465>for <00:36:43.622>being <00:36:43.780>part <00:36:43.937>of <00:36:44.095>this.

647
00:36:44.695 --> 00:36:47.155
<00:36:44.695>Uh, <00:36:44.835>if <00:36:44.975>you <00:36:45.115>want <00:36:45.255>to <00:36:45.395>see <00:36:45.535>Patrick <00:36:45.675>come <00:36:45.815>to <00:36:45.955>the <00:36:46.095>Congress

648
00:36:47.295 --> 00:36:48.795
<00:36:47.295>and <00:36:47.520>actually <00:36:47.745>see <00:36:47.970>what <00:36:48.195>he's <00:36:48.420>up <00:36:48.645>to.

649
00:36:49.255 --> 00:36:51.435
<00:36:49.255>And <00:36:49.488>yeah, <00:36:49.721>we'll <00:36:49.955>see <00:36:50.188>the <00:36:50.421>next <00:36:50.655>episode

650
00:36:51.635 --> 00:36:52.715
<00:36:51.635>of <00:36:51.959>Coffee <00:36:52.283>with <00:36:52.607>Developers.

651
00:36:52.715 --> 00:36:53.995
<00:36:52.715>Thanks <00:36:53.003>very <00:36:53.291>much <00:36:53.579>for <00:36:53.866>watching.

652
00:36:54.745 --> 00:36:56.135
<00:36:54.745>Thank <00:36:55.057>you <00:36:55.370>very <00:36:55.683>much. <00:36:55.996>Bye.