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381
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382
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<00:15:56.205>that <00:15:56.405>piece <00:15:56.605>of <00:15:56.805>code <00:15:57.005>is <00:15:57.205>that <00:15:57.405>I'm <00:15:57.605>generating,

383
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<00:15:58.505>but <00:15:58.680>I <00:15:58.855>have <00:15:59.030>to <00:15:59.205>work <00:15:59.380>in <00:15:59.555>from <00:15:59.730>the <00:15:59.905>very

384
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<00:16:00.365>beginning <00:16:00.831>again <00:16:01.298>and <00:16:01.765>again.

385
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<00:16:02.385>So <00:16:02.525>why <00:16:02.665>would <00:16:02.805>I <00:16:02.944>do <00:16:03.085>that? <00:16:03.225>So <00:16:03.365>I <00:16:03.505>would <00:16:03.645>root <00:16:03.785>for

386
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<00:16:06.085>generate <00:16:06.240>a <00:16:06.396>version <00:16:06.551>that <00:16:06.707>satisfy <00:16:06.862>your <00:16:07.018>needs, <00:16:07.173>take <00:16:07.329>some <00:16:07.485>time

387
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<00:16:09.945>to <00:16:10.085>actually <00:16:10.225>generate <00:16:10.365>a <00:16:10.505>good <00:16:10.645>spec, <00:16:10.785>to <00:16:10.925>generate <00:16:11.065>a <00:16:11.205>good <00:16:11.345>piece

388
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<00:16:13.145>of <00:16:13.319>code, <00:16:13.495>the <00:16:13.670>first <00:16:13.845>version, <00:16:14.020>piece <00:16:14.194>of <00:16:14.370>the <00:16:14.545>code,

389
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<00:16:15.745>and <00:16:16.037>then <00:16:16.329>iterate <00:16:16.622>on <00:16:16.915>that.

390
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<00:16:18.315>Hmm. <00:16:18.548>So <00:16:18.781>what <00:16:19.015>would <00:16:19.248>you <00:16:19.481>like <00:16:19.715>people

391
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<00:16:20.535>to <00:16:20.709>stop <00:16:20.885>doing <00:16:21.060>when <00:16:21.235>it <00:16:21.410>comes <00:16:21.584>about <00:16:21.760>the, <00:16:21.935>uh,

392
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<00:16:23.115>topic <00:16:23.348>about <00:16:23.581>a <00:16:23.815>genetic <00:16:24.048>development <00:16:24.281>and <00:16:24.515>specifications?

393
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<00:16:26.345>Like <00:16:26.500>what <00:16:26.656>are <00:16:26.811>things <00:16:26.967>that <00:16:27.122>people, <00:16:27.278>uh, <00:16:27.433>that <00:16:27.589>people <00:16:27.745>do

394
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<00:16:29.975>as <00:16:30.353>the <00:16:30.731>first <00:16:31.109>answer

395
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<00:16:31.375>or <00:16:31.515>like <00:16:31.655>as <00:16:31.795>a <00:16:31.935>knee <00:16:32.075>jerk <00:16:32.215>reaction <00:16:32.355>that, <00:16:32.495>uh, <00:16:32.635>annoys <00:16:32.775>you

396
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<00:16:34.775>and <00:16:34.949>do <00:16:35.125>you <00:16:35.300>always <00:16:35.475>have <00:16:35.650>to <00:16:35.824>fight <00:16:36.000>back <00:16:36.175>against?

397
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<00:16:37.935>Um, <00:16:38.109>basically <00:16:38.285>it's <00:16:38.459>like <00:16:38.635>not <00:16:38.810>putting <00:16:38.984>enough <00:16:39.160>effort <00:16:39.334>in,

398
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<00:16:42.155>in <00:16:42.574>prompting <00:16:42.995>in <00:16:43.415>general.

399
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<00:16:43.665>This <00:16:43.944>is <00:16:44.224>not <00:16:44.505>really <00:16:44.785>about <00:16:45.064>speculative,

400
00:16:45.275 --> 00:16:47.515
<00:16:45.275>but <00:16:45.475>this <00:16:45.675>is <00:16:45.875>about <00:16:46.074>agenda <00:16:46.275>AI <00:16:46.475>in <00:16:46.675>general.

401
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<00:16:48.175>Um, <00:16:48.330>they, <00:16:48.486>it <00:16:48.641>doesn't <00:16:48.797>really <00:16:48.952>matter <00:16:49.108>which <00:16:49.263>tool <00:16:49.419>they <00:16:49.574>use.

402
00:16:52.185 --> 00:16:55.755
<00:16:52.185>They <00:16:52.359>write <00:16:52.535>prompts <00:16:52.709>like <00:16:52.885>fix <00:16:53.060>it <00:16:53.234>or <00:16:53.410>explain <00:16:53.584>this

403
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<00:16:56.335>or <00:16:56.884>generate <00:16:57.433>this,

404
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<00:16:57.575>and <00:16:57.730>then <00:16:57.886>they <00:16:58.041>are <00:16:58.197>wondering <00:16:58.352>why <00:16:58.508>it's <00:16:58.663>not <00:16:58.819>working, <00:16:58.975>right?

405
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<00:17:01.095>Um, <00:17:01.328>and <00:17:01.561>this <00:17:01.795>kind <00:17:02.028>of <00:17:02.261>annoys <00:17:02.495>me

406
00:17:03.515 --> 00:17:05.635
<00:17:03.515>because <00:17:03.865>when <00:17:04.214>just <00:17:04.565>from <00:17:04.915>Microsoft

407
00:17:05.635 --> 00:17:07.195
<00:17:05.635>or <00:17:05.984>GitHub <00:17:06.335>copilot <00:17:06.685>product <00:17:07.035>perspective,

408
00:17:07.195 --> 00:17:08.515
<00:17:07.194>they're <00:17:07.432>then <00:17:07.670>coming <00:17:07.907>back <00:17:08.145>to <00:17:08.383>me

409
00:17:08.515 --> 00:17:11.115
<00:17:08.515>and <00:17:08.690>they're <00:17:08.865>like, <00:17:09.040>yeah, <00:17:09.215>Julia, <00:17:09.390>we <00:17:09.565>tried <00:17:09.740>GitHub <00:17:09.915>copilot

410
00:17:11.295 --> 00:17:13.875
<00:17:11.295>and <00:17:11.470>it <00:17:11.645>sucks <00:17:11.820>because <00:17:11.995>I <00:17:12.170>provided <00:17:12.345>this <00:17:12.520>easy <00:17:12.695>prompt

411
00:17:13.895 --> 00:17:15.715
<00:17:13.895>and <00:17:14.035>could <00:17:14.175>not <00:17:14.315>pick <00:17:14.454>up <00:17:14.595>what <00:17:14.734>I <00:17:14.875>wanted <00:17:15.014>it <00:17:15.155>to <00:17:15.295>do.

412
00:17:15.735 --> 00:17:18.155
<00:17:15.734>And <00:17:15.935>then <00:17:16.135>they <00:17:16.334>say <00:17:16.534>like, <00:17:16.734>something <00:17:16.935>like <00:17:17.135>Cursor

413
00:17:18.155 --> 00:17:20.715
<00:17:18.155>or <00:17:18.310>CLO <00:17:18.466>is <00:17:18.621>better <00:17:18.777>or <00:17:18.932>X, <00:17:19.088>y, <00:17:19.243>Z <00:17:19.399>is <00:17:19.555>better.

414
00:17:20.855 --> 00:17:23.715
<00:17:20.855>I'm <00:17:21.010>like, <00:17:21.166>all <00:17:21.321>right, <00:17:21.477>but <00:17:21.632>did <00:17:21.788>you <00:17:21.943>try <00:17:22.099>the <00:17:22.255>same

415
00:17:23.825 --> 00:17:26.995
<00:17:23.825>with <00:17:24.025>the <00:17:24.225>same <00:17:24.425>s****y <00:17:24.625>prong <00:17:24.825>basically <00:17:25.025>also <00:17:25.225>in

416
00:17:26.995 --> 00:17:28.035
<00:17:26.994>claw <00:17:27.307>or <00:17:27.618>in <00:17:27.931>cursor?

417
00:17:28.035 --> 00:17:29.235
<00:17:28.035>And <00:17:28.251>then <00:17:28.467>they're <00:17:28.683>like, <00:17:28.899>no, <00:17:29.115>Derek

418
00:17:29.595 --> 00:17:31.515
<00:17:29.595>provided <00:17:29.770>the <00:17:29.945>Mt <00:17:30.120>P <00:17:30.295>server <00:17:30.470>and <00:17:30.645>everything <00:17:30.820>like <00:17:30.995>that.

419
00:17:31.515 --> 00:17:32.515
<00:17:31.515>And <00:17:31.815>I'm <00:17:32.115>like, <00:17:32.415>okay,

420
00:17:32.575 --> 00:17:34.995
<00:17:32.575>but <00:17:32.730>why <00:17:32.886>are <00:17:33.041>you <00:17:33.197>wondering <00:17:33.352>that <00:17:33.508>the <00:17:33.663>results <00:17:33.819>are <00:17:33.975>bad?

421
00:17:34.995 --> 00:17:36.515
<00:17:34.995>It's <00:17:35.190>not <00:17:35.385>about <00:17:35.581>the <00:17:35.776>product, <00:17:35.972>it's <00:17:36.167>about <00:17:36.363>the

422
00:17:36.515 --> 00:17:37.715
<00:17:36.515>underlying <00:17:37.595>technology.

423
00:17:38.175 --> 00:17:40.635
<00:17:38.175>And <00:17:38.375>it's <00:17:38.575>all <00:17:38.774>about <00:17:38.975>like <00:17:39.175>context <00:17:39.375>and <00:17:39.575>prompting.

424
00:17:40.775 --> 00:17:43.035
<00:17:40.775>So <00:17:40.950>what <00:17:41.125>I <00:17:41.300>would <00:17:41.475>wish <00:17:41.650>for <00:17:41.825>people <00:17:42.000>is <00:17:42.175>to

425
00:17:44.015 --> 00:17:47.075
<00:17:44.015>put <00:17:44.190>more <00:17:44.365>effort <00:17:44.540>in <00:17:44.715>thinking <00:17:44.890>about <00:17:45.065>like <00:17:45.240>the <00:17:45.415>prompting

426
00:17:47.075 --> 00:17:48.715
<00:17:47.075>and <00:17:47.355>also <00:17:47.635>like <00:17:47.915>the <00:17:48.195>context <00:17:48.475>engineering,

427
00:17:48.715 --> 00:17:51.045
<00:17:48.715>because <00:17:48.948>I <00:17:49.181>am <00:17:49.415>a <00:17:49.648>hundred <00:17:49.881>percent <00:17:50.115>third

428
00:17:51.065 --> 00:17:53.605
<00:17:51.065>and <00:17:51.220>it <00:17:51.376>doesn't <00:17:51.531>really <00:17:51.687>matter <00:17:51.842>which <00:17:51.998>agenda <00:17:52.153>AI <00:17:52.309>you <00:17:52.465>use,

429
00:17:53.635 --> 00:17:57.485
<00:17:53.635>it's <00:17:53.762>about <00:17:53.889>the <00:17:54.016>technique <00:17:54.144>that <00:17:54.271>you <00:17:54.398>apply <00:17:54.525>to <00:17:54.653>work <00:17:54.780>with <00:17:54.907>this <00:17:55.035>AI

430
00:17:57.545 --> 00:17:58.925
<00:17:57.545>to <00:17:57.855>actually <00:17:58.166>achieve <00:17:58.476>good <00:17:58.787>results.

431
00:18:00.145 --> 00:18:02.725
<00:18:00.145>And <00:18:00.272>of <00:18:00.399>course <00:18:00.526>to <00:18:00.654>not, <00:18:00.781>uh, <00:18:00.908>shoot <00:18:01.035>yourself <00:18:01.163>a <00:18:01.290>foot <00:18:01.417>in <00:18:01.545>terms

432
00:18:02.725 --> 00:18:05.885
<00:18:02.725>of <00:18:02.852>consumption <00:18:02.979>and <00:18:03.106>in <00:18:03.234>terms <00:18:03.361>of <00:18:03.488>token, <00:18:03.615>uh, <00:18:03.743>uh, <00:18:03.870>usage <00:18:03.997>as <00:18:04.125>well.

433
00:18:06.395 --> 00:18:08.765
<00:18:06.395>Like <00:18:06.570>the <00:18:06.745>more <00:18:06.920>I <00:18:07.095>actually <00:18:07.270>define <00:18:07.445>a <00:18:07.620>good <00:18:07.795>prompt,

434
00:18:08.825 --> 00:18:09.925
<00:18:08.825>the <00:18:09.072>more <00:18:09.320>I <00:18:09.567>actually, <00:18:09.815>the,

435
00:18:09.925 --> 00:18:12.285
<00:18:09.925>the <00:18:10.032>machine <00:18:10.140>will <00:18:10.248>only <00:18:10.355>do <00:18:10.463>the <00:18:10.571>one <00:18:10.678>thing <00:18:10.786>that <00:18:10.894>I <00:18:11.001>want <00:18:11.109>it <00:18:11.217>to <00:18:11.325>do,

436
00:18:12.345 --> 00:18:14.405
<00:18:12.345>and <00:18:12.520>not <00:18:12.695>just <00:18:12.870>like <00:18:13.045>when <00:18:13.220>I <00:18:13.395>say <00:18:13.570>fix <00:18:13.745>it,

437
00:18:14.405 --> 00:18:17.365
<00:18:14.405>it <00:18:14.560>might <00:18:14.716>just <00:18:14.871>go <00:18:15.027>randomly <00:18:15.182>pull <00:18:15.338>in <00:18:15.493>things <00:18:15.649>to <00:18:15.805>try

438
00:18:17.365 --> 00:18:19.525
<00:18:17.365>to <00:18:17.565>actually <00:18:17.765>make <00:18:17.965>it <00:18:18.165>work <00:18:18.365>for <00:18:18.565>like <00:18:18.765>environments

439
00:18:19.525 --> 00:18:20.645
<00:18:19.525>that <00:18:19.726>I <00:18:19.928>haven't <00:18:20.129>even <00:18:20.331>thought <00:18:20.533>of.

440
00:18:20.985 --> 00:18:24.285
<00:18:20.985>So <00:18:21.101>the <00:18:21.218>whole, <00:18:21.334>like <00:18:21.451>the, <00:18:21.568>I <00:18:21.685>I <00:18:21.801>find <00:18:21.918>that <00:18:22.034>a <00:18:22.151>lot <00:18:22.268>of <00:18:22.385>agents

441
00:18:24.285 --> 00:18:26.325
<00:18:24.285>that <00:18:24.485>I <00:18:24.685>work <00:18:24.885>with <00:18:25.085>are, <00:18:25.285>are <00:18:25.485>very <00:18:25.685>happy

442
00:18:26.505 --> 00:18:28.885
<00:18:26.505>to <00:18:26.705>just <00:18:26.905>throw <00:18:27.105>the <00:18:27.305>kitchen <00:18:27.505>sink <00:18:27.705>at <00:18:27.905>something

443
00:18:28.995 --> 00:18:31.925
<00:18:28.995>because <00:18:29.135>in <00:18:29.274>the <00:18:29.415>future <00:18:29.554>there <00:18:29.695>might <00:18:29.834>be, <00:18:29.975>there <00:18:30.114>might <00:18:30.254>be <00:18:30.395>a,

444
00:18:32.005 --> 00:18:34.885
<00:18:32.005>a <00:18:32.160>need <00:18:32.316>for <00:18:32.471>it, <00:18:32.627>whereas <00:18:32.782>like <00:18:32.938>a, <00:18:33.093>a <00:18:33.249>good <00:18:33.405>prompt

445
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<00:18:34.945>or <00:18:35.294>a <00:18:35.645>good <00:18:35.995>specification <00:18:36.345>especially

446
00:18:37.075 --> 00:18:38.405
<00:18:37.075>defines <00:18:37.474>just <00:18:37.873>what's <00:18:38.272>needed.

447
00:18:38.505 --> 00:18:40.725
<00:18:38.505>And <00:18:38.660>then <00:18:38.816>you <00:18:38.971>don't <00:18:39.127>generate <00:18:39.282>as <00:18:39.438>much <00:18:39.593>code <00:18:39.749>as <00:18:39.905>you

448
00:18:40.755 --> 00:18:43.805
<00:18:40.755>that <00:18:40.882>you <00:18:41.009>later <00:18:41.136>on <00:18:41.264>has <00:18:41.391>to, <00:18:41.518>has <00:18:41.645>to <00:18:41.773>ask <00:18:41.900>the <00:18:42.027>machine <00:18:42.155>again

449
00:18:43.805 --> 00:18:45.645
<00:18:43.805>to <00:18:44.038>optimize <00:18:44.271>and <00:18:44.505>to <00:18:44.738>make <00:18:44.971>faster, <00:18:45.205>right?

450
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<00:18:46.275>Yeah. <00:18:46.508>I <00:18:46.741>mean, <00:18:46.975>the <00:18:47.208>most <00:18:47.441>successful <00:18:47.675>customers

451
00:18:48.485 --> 00:18:51.125
<00:18:48.485>that <00:18:48.659>I <00:18:48.834>see <00:18:49.010>working <00:18:49.185>with <00:18:49.360>Agen <00:18:49.534>AI <00:18:49.709>basically <00:18:49.885>start

452
00:18:51.145 --> 00:18:53.765
<00:18:51.145>to <00:18:51.495>create <00:18:51.845>internal <00:18:52.195>prompt <00:18:52.545>libraries

453
00:18:53.785 --> 00:18:56.125
<00:18:53.785>or <00:18:54.018>context <00:18:54.251>engineering <00:18:54.485>libraries <00:18:54.718>in <00:18:54.951>some <00:18:55.185>kind

454
00:18:56.125 --> 00:18:57.125
<00:18:56.125>of <00:18:56.350>an <00:18:56.575>inner <00:18:56.800>source <00:18:57.025>process

455
00:18:57.545 --> 00:19:01.005
<00:18:57.545>and <00:18:57.672>then <00:18:57.799>provide <00:18:57.926>these, <00:18:58.054>um, <00:18:58.181>to <00:18:58.308>the <00:18:58.435>teams <00:18:58.563>where <00:18:58.690>the <00:18:58.817>be, <00:18:58.945>uh,

456
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<00:19:01.005>teams <00:19:01.238>then <00:19:01.471>can <00:19:01.705>basically <00:19:01.938>reuse <00:19:02.171>the <00:19:02.405>prompts

457
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<00:19:03.845>or <00:19:04.000>the <00:19:04.156>specs <00:19:04.311>that <00:19:04.467>have <00:19:04.622>been <00:19:04.778>generated <00:19:04.933>in <00:19:05.089>other <00:19:05.245>teams

458
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<00:19:06.445>that <00:19:06.794>have <00:19:07.145>been <00:19:07.495>successfully <00:19:07.845>used.

459
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<00:19:08.505>And <00:19:08.738>this <00:19:08.971>also <00:19:09.205>lowers <00:19:09.438>like <00:19:09.671>token <00:19:09.905>usage

460
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<00:19:10.605>and <00:19:10.745>also <00:19:10.885>like <00:19:11.025>brain <00:19:11.165>power <00:19:11.305>that <00:19:11.445>you <00:19:11.585>need <00:19:11.725>to <00:19:11.865>put <00:19:12.005>into

461
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<00:19:13.425>to <00:19:13.580>make <00:19:13.736>this <00:19:13.891>initial <00:19:14.047>effort <00:19:14.202>to <00:19:14.358>write <00:19:14.513>a <00:19:14.669>good <00:19:14.825>prompt

462
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<00:19:15.925>because <00:19:16.158>one <00:19:16.391>of <00:19:16.625>your <00:19:16.858>teammates <00:19:17.091>already <00:19:17.325>did.

463
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<00:19:17.705>So <00:19:17.879>this <00:19:18.054>is <00:19:18.230>not, <00:19:18.405>obviously <00:19:18.580>not <00:19:18.754>only <00:19:18.929>about <00:19:19.105>coding,

464
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<00:19:20.315>it's <00:19:20.470>also <00:19:20.626>about <00:19:20.781>how <00:19:20.937>are <00:19:21.092>we <00:19:21.248>actually <00:19:21.403>providing <00:19:21.559>a <00:19:21.715>successful

465
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<00:19:23.485>inner <00:19:23.640>source <00:19:23.796>process <00:19:23.951>in <00:19:24.107>our <00:19:24.262>organization <00:19:24.418>or <00:19:24.573>in <00:19:24.729>our <00:19:24.885>team.

466
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<00:19:27.035>Yeah. <00:19:27.210>But <00:19:27.385>it <00:19:27.560>all <00:19:27.735>comes <00:19:27.910>together <00:19:28.085>in <00:19:28.260>the <00:19:28.435>end.

467
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<00:19:29.355>Yeah, <00:19:29.482>I <00:19:29.609>mean, <00:19:29.736>it <00:19:29.864>feels <00:19:29.991>like <00:19:30.118>having <00:19:30.245>FAQs <00:19:30.373>in <00:19:30.500>the <00:19:30.627>past <00:19:30.755>when

468
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<00:19:32.325>people <00:19:32.525>are <00:19:32.725>like, <00:19:32.925>uh, <00:19:33.125>uh, <00:19:33.325>set <00:19:33.525>up <00:19:33.725>scripts

469
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<00:19:34.285>or <00:19:34.635>descriptions <00:19:34.985>of <00:19:35.335>things <00:19:35.685>like

470
00:19:36.485 --> 00:19:38.605
<00:19:36.485>whenever <00:19:36.625>I <00:19:36.764>was <00:19:36.905>on <00:19:37.044>a <00:19:37.185>project <00:19:37.324>with <00:19:37.465>lots, <00:19:37.604>lots <00:19:37.745>of <00:19:37.885>people

471
00:19:38.825 --> 00:19:41.845
<00:19:38.825>and <00:19:39.025>distributed <00:19:39.225>teams, <00:19:39.425>the <00:19:39.625>documentation <00:19:39.825>of <00:19:40.025>the, <00:19:40.225>uh,

472
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<00:19:41.845>of <00:19:42.000>the <00:19:42.156>system <00:19:42.311>became <00:19:42.467>much <00:19:42.622>more <00:19:42.778>important <00:19:42.933>than <00:19:43.089>actually <00:19:43.245>the

473
00:19:44.805 --> 00:19:46.805
<00:19:44.805>code <00:19:45.038>itself <00:19:45.271>and <00:19:45.505>how <00:19:45.738>to <00:19:45.971>make <00:19:46.205>sure

474
00:19:46.805 --> 00:19:50.165
<00:19:46.805>that <00:19:46.960>people <00:19:47.116>don't <00:19:47.271>do <00:19:47.427>work <00:19:47.582>in <00:19:47.738>parallel, <00:19:47.893>that <00:19:48.049>they <00:19:48.205>know

475
00:19:50.165 --> 00:19:51.765
<00:19:50.165>where <00:19:50.445>something <00:19:50.725>has <00:19:51.004>been <00:19:51.284>done <00:19:51.565>already,

476
00:19:52.145 --> 00:19:54.365
<00:19:52.145>and <00:19:52.300>it <00:19:52.456>feels <00:19:52.611>the <00:19:52.767>same <00:19:52.922>there, <00:19:53.078>there, <00:19:53.233>it's <00:19:53.389>basically <00:19:53.545>like,

477
00:19:54.365 --> 00:19:56.565
<00:19:54.365>here's <00:19:54.520>the <00:19:54.676>prompt <00:19:54.831>that <00:19:54.987>got <00:19:55.142>me <00:19:55.298>the <00:19:55.453>result <00:19:55.609>as <00:19:55.765>fast

478
00:19:56.565 --> 00:19:58.125
<00:19:56.565>as <00:19:56.798>possible <00:19:57.031>if <00:19:57.265>it's <00:19:57.498>something <00:19:57.731>like <00:19:57.965>that.

479
00:19:58.705 --> 00:20:00.805
<00:19:58.705>So <00:19:58.938>you <00:19:59.171>can <00:19:59.405>have <00:19:59.638>a <00:19:59.871>library <00:20:00.105>internally

480
00:20:01.025 --> 00:20:02.605
<00:20:01.025>to <00:20:01.305>actually <00:20:01.585>share <00:20:01.865>this <00:20:02.145>with <00:20:02.425>people.

481
00:20:02.785 --> 00:20:05.765
<00:20:02.785>And <00:20:02.940>I <00:20:03.096>find <00:20:03.251>that <00:20:03.407>very <00:20:03.562>useful, <00:20:03.718>especially <00:20:03.873>for <00:20:04.029>somebody <00:20:04.185>who,

482
00:20:06.265 --> 00:20:09.485
<00:20:06.265>uh, <00:20:06.498>who <00:20:06.731>feels <00:20:06.965>like <00:20:07.198>not <00:20:07.431>good <00:20:07.665>enough

483
00:20:09.505 --> 00:20:11.805
<00:20:09.505>or <00:20:09.738>not <00:20:09.971>grasping <00:20:10.205>enough <00:20:10.438>what <00:20:10.671>it's <00:20:10.905>about.

484
00:20:12.255 --> 00:20:13.605
<00:20:12.255>Which <00:20:12.457>brings <00:20:12.660>me <00:20:12.862>to <00:20:13.065>the <00:20:13.267>next <00:20:13.470>question.

485
00:20:13.605 --> 00:20:15.805
<00:20:13.605>Like <00:20:13.745>what <00:20:13.885>is <00:20:14.025>a, <00:20:14.165>what <00:20:14.305>is <00:20:14.445>a <00:20:14.585>part <00:20:14.725>of <00:20:14.865>the, <00:20:15.005>uh,

486
00:20:15.805 --> 00:20:18.085
<00:20:15.805>of <00:20:15.980>the <00:20:16.155>whole <00:20:16.330>world <00:20:16.505>that <00:20:16.680>you <00:20:16.855>are <00:20:17.030>covering <00:20:17.205>here

487
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<00:20:18.395>that <00:20:18.697>you <00:20:19.001>struggle <00:20:19.304>with?

488
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<00:20:19.435>What <00:20:19.668>is <00:20:19.901>one <00:20:20.135>thing <00:20:20.368>that <00:20:20.601>you <00:20:20.835>basically,

489
00:20:21.585 --> 00:20:23.085
<00:20:21.585>you <00:20:21.777>always <00:20:21.970>feel <00:20:22.163>you <00:20:22.356>want <00:20:22.549>to <00:20:22.742>do <00:20:22.935>better

490
00:20:23.185 --> 00:20:24.365
<00:20:23.185>or <00:20:23.361>you <00:20:23.539>want <00:20:23.716>to <00:20:23.893>get <00:20:24.070>better <00:20:24.247>at,

491
00:20:24.425 --> 00:20:28.405
<00:20:24.425>but <00:20:24.532>you <00:20:24.640>still <00:20:24.748>have, <00:20:24.855>uh, <00:20:24.963>uh, <00:20:25.071>have <00:20:25.178>a <00:20:25.286>lot, <00:20:25.394>a <00:20:25.501>long <00:20:25.609>way <00:20:25.717>to <00:20:25.825>go?

492
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<00:20:29.645>I <00:20:29.888>have <00:20:30.130>the <00:20:30.374>feeling <00:20:30.617>because,

493
00:20:30.985 --> 00:20:33.085
<00:20:30.985>but <00:20:31.140>this <00:20:31.296>is <00:20:31.451>also <00:20:31.607>about <00:20:31.762>kind <00:20:31.918>of <00:20:32.073>my <00:20:32.229>role, <00:20:32.385>right?

494
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<00:20:33.145>I'm <00:20:33.285>talking <00:20:33.425>a <00:20:33.565>lot, <00:20:33.705>bit <00:20:33.845>of <00:20:33.985>a <00:20:34.125>lot <00:20:34.264>about <00:20:34.405>software <00:20:34.545>engineering,

495
00:20:36.745 --> 00:20:38.325
<00:20:36.745>but <00:20:37.094>not <00:20:37.445>by <00:20:37.794>any <00:20:38.145>means.

496
00:20:38.525 --> 00:20:39.605
<00:20:38.525>I <00:20:38.719>feel <00:20:38.913>I <00:20:39.108>have <00:20:39.302>the <00:20:39.497>skill

497
00:20:39.605 --> 00:20:41.685
<00:20:39.605>that <00:20:39.885>a <00:20:40.165>professional <00:20:40.445>software <00:20:40.725>engineer <00:20:41.005>has.

498
00:20:42.025 --> 00:20:44.165
<00:20:42.025>So <00:20:42.305>what <00:20:42.585>I'm <00:20:42.865>actually <00:20:43.145>facing <00:20:43.425>is,

499
00:20:44.625 --> 00:20:48.445
<00:20:44.625>or <00:20:44.732>what <00:20:44.840>I <00:20:44.948>also <00:20:45.055>try <00:20:45.163>to <00:20:45.271>use <00:20:45.378>agenda <00:20:45.486>AI <00:20:45.594>for <00:20:45.701>in <00:20:45.809>that <00:20:45.917>context <00:20:46.025>is

500
00:20:48.445 --> 00:20:50.005
<00:20:48.445>to <00:20:49.145>actually <00:20:49.845>update

501
00:20:50.025 --> 00:20:53.165
<00:20:50.025>or <00:20:50.141>fill <00:20:50.258>the <00:20:50.375>wide <00:20:50.491>space <00:20:50.608>that <00:20:50.725>I <00:20:50.841>have, <00:20:50.958>the <00:20:51.075>feeling <00:20:51.191>I <00:20:51.308>have <00:20:51.425>now

502
00:20:53.165 --> 00:20:55.725
<00:20:53.165>that <00:20:53.340>I'm <00:20:53.514>not <00:20:53.690>professionally <00:20:53.865>coding <00:20:54.040>in <00:20:54.215>like <00:20:54.389>project <00:20:54.565>anymore.

503
00:20:55.905 --> 00:20:59.565
<00:20:55.905>So <00:20:56.080>this <00:20:56.254>is <00:20:56.430>basically <00:20:56.605>what <00:20:56.780>I <00:20:56.955>try <00:20:57.129>to <00:20:57.305>do

504
00:20:59.565 --> 00:21:01.645
<00:20:59.565>because <00:20:59.765>I <00:20:59.965>am <00:21:00.165>coding <00:21:00.365>a <00:21:00.565>lot <00:21:00.765>of <00:21:00.965>demos

505
00:21:01.785 --> 00:21:02.885
<00:21:01.785>and <00:21:02.032>I <00:21:02.280>see <00:21:02.527>a <00:21:02.775>lot

506
00:21:02.885 --> 00:21:05.205
<00:21:02.885>of <00:21:03.085>customers <00:21:03.285>actually <00:21:03.485>coding <00:21:03.685>in <00:21:03.885>real <00:21:04.085>world <00:21:04.285>project,

507
00:21:05.905 --> 00:21:08.925
<00:21:05.905>but <00:21:06.080>I <00:21:06.254>am <00:21:06.430>not <00:21:06.605>a <00:21:06.780>software <00:21:06.955>anymore <00:21:07.129>software <00:21:07.305>engineer,

508
00:21:09.945 --> 00:21:12.845
<00:21:09.945>but <00:21:10.085>I <00:21:10.225>am <00:21:10.365>not <00:21:10.504>a <00:21:10.645>software <00:21:10.784>engineer <00:21:10.925>anymore <00:21:11.064>by <00:21:11.205>any <00:21:11.345>means.

509
00:21:12.905 --> 00:21:15.445
<00:21:12.905>And <00:21:13.105>this <00:21:13.305>is <00:21:13.504>basically <00:21:13.705>what <00:21:13.905>I'm <00:21:14.105>struggling <00:21:14.305>with,

510
00:21:15.545 --> 00:21:18.845
<00:21:15.545>but <00:21:15.672>I, <00:21:15.799>where <00:21:15.926>I <00:21:16.054>also <00:21:16.181>think <00:21:16.308>like <00:21:16.435>agent <00:21:16.563>AI <00:21:16.690>is <00:21:16.817>super <00:21:16.945>helpful

511
00:21:19.185 --> 00:21:21.405
<00:21:19.185>to <00:21:19.340>try <00:21:19.496>to <00:21:19.651>at <00:21:19.807>least <00:21:19.962>it <00:21:20.118>to <00:21:20.273>fill <00:21:20.429>this <00:21:20.585>gap.

512
00:21:21.825 --> 00:21:24.245
<00:21:21.825>And <00:21:21.952>I <00:21:22.079>think <00:21:22.206>it's <00:21:22.334>a <00:21:22.461>tricky <00:21:22.588>bit <00:21:22.715>as <00:21:22.843>well, <00:21:22.970>like <00:21:23.097>where <00:21:23.225>people,

513
00:21:24.345 --> 00:21:27.005
<00:21:24.345>the <00:21:24.520>definition <00:21:24.695>of <00:21:24.870>a <00:21:25.045>software <00:21:25.220>engineer <00:21:25.395>or <00:21:25.570>a <00:21:25.745>developer

514
00:21:27.005 --> 00:21:29.885
<00:21:27.005>or <00:21:27.205>a <00:21:27.405>coder, <00:21:27.605>it, <00:21:27.805>it's <00:21:28.005>becoming <00:21:28.205>so <00:21:28.405>fluent

515
00:21:29.905 --> 00:21:32.325
<00:21:29.905>and <00:21:30.105>basically <00:21:30.305>like <00:21:30.504>the <00:21:30.705>marketing <00:21:30.905>of <00:21:31.105>a <00:21:31.305>lot

516
00:21:32.325 --> 00:21:35.325
<00:21:32.325>of <00:21:32.480>these <00:21:32.636>systems <00:21:32.791>is <00:21:32.947>like, <00:21:33.102>anybody <00:21:33.258>can <00:21:33.413>be <00:21:33.569>a <00:21:33.725>developer.

517
00:21:35.325 --> 00:21:36.405
<00:21:35.325>And <00:21:35.649>I'm <00:21:35.973>like, <00:21:36.297>sure.

518
00:21:36.545 --> 00:21:39.365
<00:21:36.545>But <00:21:36.661>I <00:21:36.778>mean, <00:21:36.895>I <00:21:37.011>was <00:21:37.128>a <00:21:37.245>coder <00:21:37.361>first, <00:21:37.478>then <00:21:37.595>I <00:21:37.711>became <00:21:37.828>a <00:21:37.945>developer,

519
00:21:39.365 --> 00:21:41.085
<00:21:39.365>then <00:21:39.645>I <00:21:39.925>became <00:21:40.205>a <00:21:40.485>software <00:21:40.765>engineer.

520
00:21:41.585 --> 00:21:43.365
<00:21:41.585>And <00:21:41.785>I <00:21:41.985>think <00:21:42.185>there <00:21:42.385>are <00:21:42.585>different <00:21:42.785>bits, <00:21:42.985>uh,

521
00:21:43.365 --> 00:21:44.965
<00:21:43.365>there <00:21:43.598>are <00:21:43.831>different <00:21:44.065>parts <00:21:44.298>of <00:21:44.531>the <00:21:44.765>equation

522
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<00:21:45.145>and <00:21:45.272>it <00:21:45.399>just <00:21:45.526>feels <00:21:45.654>like <00:21:45.781>we're <00:21:45.908>trying <00:21:46.035>to <00:21:46.163>replace <00:21:46.290>a <00:21:46.417>whole <00:21:46.545>group

523
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<00:21:49.065>of <00:21:49.240>people <00:21:49.415>with <00:21:49.590>one <00:21:49.765>technology <00:21:49.940>stack <00:21:50.115>at <00:21:50.290>the <00:21:50.465>moment.

524
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<00:21:52.305>And <00:21:52.480>it <00:21:52.655>feels <00:21:52.830>to <00:21:53.005>me <00:21:53.180>like <00:21:53.355>it's <00:21:53.530>not <00:21:53.705>necessary.

525
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<00:21:54.345>That's <00:21:54.545>where <00:21:54.745>the, <00:21:54.945>the, <00:21:55.145>that's <00:21:55.345>where <00:21:55.545>I <00:21:55.745>said

526
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<00:21:56.165>that <00:21:56.320>the <00:21:56.476>writing <00:21:56.631>a <00:21:56.787>good <00:21:56.942>spec <00:21:57.098>is <00:21:57.253>something <00:21:57.409>that <00:21:57.565>comes

527
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<00:21:58.755>with <00:21:59.202>experience <00:21:59.649>and <00:22:00.096>comes

528
00:22:00.245 --> 00:22:02.845
<00:22:00.245>with <00:22:00.419>having <00:22:00.594>done <00:22:00.770>it <00:22:00.945>in <00:22:01.120>the <00:22:01.294>wrong <00:22:01.469>way <00:22:01.645>before.

529
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<00:22:03.425>So, <00:22:03.600>uh, <00:22:03.774>uh, <00:22:03.950>these <00:22:04.125>shortcuts <00:22:04.300>that <00:22:04.475>people <00:22:04.649>keep <00:22:04.825>taking

530
00:22:06.865 --> 00:22:09.885
<00:22:06.865>or <00:22:07.005>that <00:22:07.145>that, <00:22:07.285>that <00:22:07.425>the <00:22:07.565>systems <00:22:07.705>tell <00:22:07.845>us <00:22:07.985>to <00:22:08.125>take <00:22:08.265>feel

531
00:22:09.885 --> 00:22:11.885
<00:22:09.885>to <00:22:10.118>me <00:22:10.351>like <00:22:10.585>a <00:22:10.818>very <00:22:11.051>dangerous, <00:22:11.285>uh,

532
00:22:11.895 --> 00:22:13.845
<00:22:11.895>slope <00:22:12.175>in <00:22:12.455>stopping <00:22:12.735>people <00:22:13.014>from <00:22:13.295>learning

533
00:22:14.025 --> 00:22:15.245
<00:22:14.025>or <00:22:14.299>becoming <00:22:14.574>better <00:22:14.848>at <00:22:15.122>it.

534
00:22:15.795 --> 00:22:19.845
<00:22:15.795>Yeah. <00:22:15.935>Especially, <00:22:16.075>um, <00:22:16.215>how <00:22:16.355>we <00:22:16.495>learn <00:22:16.635>to <00:22:16.775>be <00:22:16.915>engineers <00:22:17.055>is, <00:22:17.195>was

535
00:22:19.845 --> 00:22:21.005
<00:22:19.845>through <00:22:20.367>pain, <00:22:20.889>right?

536
00:22:21.145 --> 00:22:23.925
<00:22:21.145>So <00:22:21.300>we <00:22:21.456>created <00:22:21.611>production <00:22:21.767>bug <00:22:21.922>that <00:22:22.078>we <00:22:22.233>needed <00:22:22.389>to <00:22:22.545>fix.

537
00:22:24.065 --> 00:22:26.965
<00:22:24.065>We <00:22:24.192>had <00:22:24.319>like <00:22:24.446>a <00:22:24.574>very <00:22:24.701>s****y <00:22:24.828>pull <00:22:24.955>request <00:22:25.083>that <00:22:25.210>we <00:22:25.337>then <00:22:25.465>needed

538
00:22:26.965 --> 00:22:28.805
<00:22:26.965>to <00:22:27.198>discuss <00:22:27.431>with <00:22:27.665>our <00:22:27.898>senior <00:22:28.131>engineer <00:22:28.365>where,

539
00:22:28.855 --> 00:22:31.965
<00:22:28.855>where <00:22:28.982>they <00:22:29.109>were <00:22:29.236>basically <00:22:29.364>asking <00:22:29.491>us <00:22:29.618>if <00:22:29.745>we <00:22:29.873>are <00:22:30.000>like <00:22:30.127>stupid <00:22:30.255>in

540
00:22:31.965 --> 00:22:33.205
<00:22:31.965>the <00:22:32.150>way <00:22:32.337>we <00:22:32.523>are <00:22:32.708>doing <00:22:32.895>things, <00:22:33.081>right?

541
00:22:33.315 --> 00:22:34.765
<00:22:33.315>This <00:22:33.576>is <00:22:33.837>all <00:22:34.098>not <00:22:34.359>happening <00:22:34.620>anymore.

542
00:22:35.445 --> 00:22:37.885
<00:22:35.445>Everyone <00:22:35.725>can <00:22:36.004>basically <00:22:36.284>generate <00:22:36.564>any <00:22:36.845>code,

543
00:22:38.145 --> 00:22:42.005
<00:22:38.145>but <00:22:38.425>not <00:22:38.705>everyone <00:22:38.985>can <00:22:39.264>understand <00:22:39.545>if

544
00:22:42.195 --> 00:22:44.885
<00:22:42.195>what <00:22:42.370>we <00:22:42.544>just <00:22:42.720>coded <00:22:42.895>actually <00:22:43.070>makes <00:22:43.245>sense <00:22:43.419>is <00:22:43.595>our

545
00:22:44.885 --> 00:22:46.765
<00:22:44.885>hallucinated <00:22:45.351>AI <00:22:45.818>swap, <00:22:46.285>right?

546
00:22:46.865 --> 00:22:48.845
<00:22:46.865>And <00:22:47.040>this <00:22:47.215>is <00:22:47.390>like <00:22:47.565>the <00:22:47.740>new <00:22:47.915>way <00:22:48.090>of <00:22:48.265>working.

547
00:22:49.465 --> 00:22:52.525
<00:22:49.465>And <00:22:49.639>um, <00:22:49.814>I <00:22:49.990>have <00:22:50.165>the <00:22:50.340>feeling <00:22:50.514>the <00:22:50.689>next <00:22:50.865>evolution

548
00:22:52.525 --> 00:22:56.125
<00:22:52.525>of <00:22:52.700>software <00:22:52.875>engineers <00:22:53.050>will <00:22:53.225>be <00:22:53.400>like <00:22:53.575>AI <00:22:53.750>software <00:22:53.925>engineers

549
00:22:56.185 --> 00:22:58.565
<00:22:56.185>or <00:22:56.465>AI <00:22:56.745>native <00:22:57.024>software <00:22:57.304>engineers, <00:22:57.585>maybe

550
00:22:58.565 --> 00:23:00.725
<00:22:58.565>however, <00:22:58.765>the, <00:22:58.965>the <00:22:59.165>industry <00:22:59.365>will <00:22:59.565>pick <00:22:59.765>that <00:22:59.965>up.

551
00:23:01.995 --> 00:23:03.445
<00:23:01.995>Yeah. <00:23:02.212>And <00:23:02.429>I <00:23:02.647>mean, <00:23:02.865>it's <00:23:03.082>the, <00:23:03.300>the,

552
00:23:03.825 --> 00:23:06.365
<00:23:03.825>you <00:23:03.980>also <00:23:04.136>see <00:23:04.291>it <00:23:04.447>in <00:23:04.602>the <00:23:04.758>interaction <00:23:04.913>with <00:23:05.069>other <00:23:05.225>people.

553
00:23:06.425 --> 00:23:10.005
<00:23:06.425>And <00:23:06.565>a <00:23:06.705>lot <00:23:06.845>of <00:23:06.985>open <00:23:07.125>source <00:23:07.264>projects <00:23:07.405>are <00:23:07.544>right <00:23:07.685>now <00:23:07.825>struggling

554
00:23:10.035 --> 00:23:12.045
<00:23:10.035>with <00:23:10.235>like <00:23:10.435>lots <00:23:10.635>and <00:23:10.835>lots <00:23:11.035>of <00:23:11.235>pull <00:23:11.435>requests

555
00:23:12.045 --> 00:23:15.845
<00:23:12.045>of <00:23:12.185>AI <00:23:12.325>generated <00:23:12.465>code <00:23:12.605>that <00:23:12.745>is <00:23:12.885>thousands <00:23:13.025>of <00:23:13.165>thousands <00:23:13.305>of <00:23:13.445>lines

556
00:23:15.845 --> 00:23:18.445
<00:23:15.845>of <00:23:16.020>code <00:23:16.195>in <00:23:16.370>500 <00:23:16.545>files <00:23:16.720>in <00:23:16.895>one <00:23:17.070>poll <00:23:17.245>request.

557
00:23:18.465 --> 00:23:20.605
<00:23:18.465>Mm-hmm. <00:23:18.665>Like <00:23:18.865>the <00:23:19.064>worst <00:23:19.264>thing <00:23:19.465>you <00:23:19.665>can <00:23:19.865>do.

558
00:23:21.105 --> 00:23:23.725
<00:23:21.105>So <00:23:21.338>the, <00:23:21.571>the <00:23:21.805>whole <00:23:22.038>means <00:23:22.271>of <00:23:22.505>interaction

559
00:23:23.755 --> 00:23:26.205
<00:23:23.755>that <00:23:23.910>we <00:23:24.066>actually <00:23:24.221>agreed <00:23:24.377>on <00:23:24.532>over <00:23:24.688>the <00:23:24.843>last <00:23:24.999>few <00:23:25.155>years

560
00:23:26.305 --> 00:23:28.845
<00:23:26.305>to <00:23:26.538>actually <00:23:26.771>make <00:23:27.005>things <00:23:27.238>work <00:23:27.471>smoothly <00:23:27.705>seemed

561
00:23:28.845 --> 00:23:30.645
<00:23:28.845>to <00:23:29.078>be <00:23:29.311>just <00:23:29.545>like <00:23:29.778>overloaded <00:23:30.011>with <00:23:30.245>lots

562
00:23:30.645 --> 00:23:31.845
<00:23:30.645>and <00:23:30.825>lots <00:23:31.005>of <00:23:31.185>content <00:23:31.365>at <00:23:31.545>the <00:23:31.725>moment.

563
00:23:32.065 --> 00:23:35.885
<00:23:32.065>And <00:23:32.205>I <00:23:32.345>find <00:23:32.485>that <00:23:32.625>a <00:23:32.765>very <00:23:32.905>dangerous, <00:23:33.045>uh, <00:23:33.185>place <00:23:33.325>to <00:23:33.465>be.

564
00:23:35.985 --> 00:23:37.685
<00:23:35.985>And <00:23:36.159>I <00:23:36.334>see <00:23:36.510>a <00:23:36.685>lot <00:23:36.860>of <00:23:37.034>open <00:23:37.209>source <00:23:37.385>stuff

565
00:23:37.685 --> 00:23:38.725
<00:23:37.685>going <00:23:37.918>away <00:23:38.153>because <00:23:38.387>of <00:23:38.620>it.

566
00:23:39.475 --> 00:23:40.525
<00:23:39.475>Yeah. <00:23:39.790>I <00:23:40.105>mean <00:23:40.420>it's,

567
00:23:40.625 --> 00:23:44.125
<00:23:40.625>but <00:23:40.825>it's <00:23:41.025>also, <00:23:41.225>it's <00:23:41.425>kind <00:23:41.625>of <00:23:41.825>nice, <00:23:42.025>right?

568
00:23:44.125 --> 00:23:46.325
<00:23:44.125>Because <00:23:44.280>I <00:23:44.436>have <00:23:44.591>an <00:23:44.747>open <00:23:44.902>source <00:23:45.058>project <00:23:45.213>as <00:23:45.369>well, <00:23:45.525>right?

569
00:23:46.505 --> 00:23:48.365
<00:23:46.505>And <00:23:46.705>I <00:23:46.905>code, <00:23:47.105>and <00:23:47.305>then <00:23:47.505>I, <00:23:47.705>then <00:23:47.905>I,

570
00:23:48.945 --> 00:23:51.525
<00:23:48.945>for <00:23:49.120>the <00:23:49.294>first <00:23:49.470>like <00:23:49.645>five <00:23:49.820>iterations <00:23:49.995>with <00:23:50.169>the <00:23:50.345>agent,

571
00:23:51.525 --> 00:23:53.965
<00:23:51.525>if <00:23:51.700>it's <00:23:51.875>like <00:23:52.050>spec <00:23:52.225>or <00:23:52.400>not, <00:23:52.575>doesn't <00:23:52.750>really <00:23:52.925>matter.

572
00:23:54.365 --> 00:23:56.725
<00:23:54.365>I <00:23:54.492>take <00:23:54.619>the <00:23:54.746>time <00:23:54.874>and <00:23:55.001>have <00:23:55.128>a <00:23:55.255>look <00:23:55.383>at <00:23:55.510>every <00:23:55.637>code <00:23:55.765>change,

573
00:23:56.905 --> 00:23:58.405
<00:23:56.905>and <00:23:57.129>then <00:23:57.355>something <00:23:57.580>comes <00:23:57.805>to <00:23:58.030>my <00:23:58.254>mind

574
00:23:58.405 --> 00:24:00.125
<00:23:58.405>and <00:23:58.545>I'm <00:23:58.685>like, <00:23:58.825>oh, <00:23:58.965>I <00:23:59.105>could <00:23:59.245>also <00:23:59.385>like <00:23:59.524>add <00:23:59.665>that <00:23:59.805>to

575
00:24:00.125 --> 00:24:01.125
<00:24:00.125>that <00:24:00.425>portal <00:24:00.725>request, <00:24:01.025>right?

576
00:24:01.125 --> 00:24:04.125
<00:24:01.125>And <00:24:01.265>then <00:24:01.405>suddenly <00:24:01.545>you <00:24:01.685>have <00:24:01.825>like <00:24:01.965>pull <00:24:02.105>request <00:24:02.245>with <00:24:02.385>a <00:24:02.525>hundred,

577
00:24:04.405 --> 00:24:07.085
<00:24:04.405>a <00:24:04.580>thousand <00:24:04.754>lines <00:24:04.930>of <00:24:05.105>code <00:24:05.280>that <00:24:05.455>only <00:24:05.629>you <00:24:05.805>know,

578
00:24:07.115 --> 00:24:09.845
<00:24:07.115>what <00:24:07.255>you <00:24:07.395>actually <00:24:07.535>did, <00:24:07.675>but <00:24:07.815>then <00:24:07.955>you <00:24:08.095>get <00:24:08.235>kind <00:24:08.375>of <00:24:08.515>sloppy

579
00:24:09.845 --> 00:24:11.565
<00:24:09.845>and <00:24:10.078>did <00:24:10.311>not <00:24:10.545>look <00:24:10.778>at <00:24:11.011>every <00:24:11.245>change

580
00:24:11.665 --> 00:24:13.125
<00:24:11.665>and <00:24:11.927>then <00:24:12.190>something <00:24:12.453>is <00:24:12.716>not <00:24:12.979>working.

581
00:24:13.585 --> 00:24:14.685
<00:24:13.585>And <00:24:13.750>I <00:24:13.915>have <00:24:14.080>the <00:24:14.245>feeling <00:24:14.409>a <00:24:14.575>lot

582
00:24:14.685 --> 00:24:17.325
<00:24:14.685>of <00:24:14.860>engineers <00:24:15.034>are <00:24:15.210>currently <00:24:15.385>having <00:24:15.560>that, <00:24:15.735>um, <00:24:15.909>that <00:24:16.085>it,

583
00:24:17.375 --> 00:24:20.285
<00:24:17.375>while <00:24:17.550>it <00:24:17.725>is <00:24:17.900>so <00:24:18.075>easy <00:24:18.250>to <00:24:18.425>generate <00:24:18.600>new <00:24:18.775>code

584
00:24:20.305 --> 00:24:24.285
<00:24:20.305>and <00:24:20.538>new <00:24:20.771>features, <00:24:21.005>kind <00:24:21.238>of <00:24:21.471>forget, <00:24:21.705>um,

585
00:24:24.755 --> 00:24:26.005
<00:24:24.755>that <00:24:25.130>we <00:24:25.505>did <00:24:25.880>divide

586
00:24:26.005 --> 00:24:29.205
<00:24:26.005>and <00:24:26.160>conquer <00:24:26.316>for <00:24:26.471>a <00:24:26.627>reason <00:24:26.782>for <00:24:26.938>the <00:24:27.093>last <00:24:27.249>years, <00:24:27.405>right?

587
00:24:29.385 --> 00:24:33.285
<00:24:29.385>We <00:24:29.618>broke <00:24:29.851>down <00:24:30.085>big <00:24:30.318>tasks <00:24:30.551>into <00:24:30.785>epics

588
00:24:33.285 --> 00:24:35.725
<00:24:33.285>and <00:24:33.485>smaller <00:24:33.685>milestones <00:24:33.885>to <00:24:34.085>make <00:24:34.285>it <00:24:34.485>easier <00:24:34.685>digestible

589
00:24:35.725 --> 00:24:37.005
<00:24:35.725>for <00:24:36.013>developers <00:24:36.301>to <00:24:36.589>actually <00:24:36.877>implement

590
00:24:37.005 --> 00:24:38.565
<00:24:37.005>and <00:24:37.238>also <00:24:37.471>make <00:24:37.705>it <00:24:37.938>like <00:24:38.171>controllable, <00:24:38.405>right?

591
00:24:38.585 --> 00:24:42.565
<00:24:38.585>It <00:24:38.740>was <00:24:38.896>al <00:24:39.051>always <00:24:39.207>also <00:24:39.362>like <00:24:39.518>about <00:24:39.673>risk <00:24:39.829>controlling, <00:24:39.985>um,

592
00:24:42.625 --> 00:24:44.165
<00:24:42.625>how <00:24:42.902>big <00:24:43.179>the <00:24:43.456>features <00:24:43.733>actually <00:24:44.011>are

593
00:24:44.305 --> 00:24:46.925
<00:24:44.305>and <00:24:44.460>if <00:24:44.616>they <00:24:44.771>can <00:24:44.927>be <00:24:45.082>fitted <00:24:45.238>inside <00:24:45.393>of <00:24:45.549>a <00:24:45.705>sprint

594
00:24:46.985 --> 00:24:49.365
<00:24:46.985>and <00:24:47.185>how <00:24:47.385>many <00:24:47.584>story <00:24:47.784>points, <00:24:47.985>yada, <00:24:48.185>yada, <00:24:48.385>yada.

595
00:24:49.905 --> 00:24:54.005
<00:24:49.905>And <00:24:50.080>with <00:24:50.254>the <00:24:50.430>easiness <00:24:50.605>of <00:24:50.780>generating <00:24:50.955>just <00:24:51.129>more <00:24:51.305>code,

596
00:24:54.395 --> 00:24:57.085
<00:24:54.395>this <00:24:54.595>also <00:24:54.795>is, <00:24:54.995>it <00:24:55.195>is <00:24:55.395>a <00:24:55.595>danger, <00:24:55.795>right?

597
00:24:57.085 --> 00:25:00.725
<00:24:57.085>So <00:24:57.201>we <00:24:57.318>really <00:24:57.435>have <00:24:57.551>to <00:24:57.668>be <00:24:57.785>like <00:24:57.901>disciplined <00:24:58.018>in <00:24:58.135>some <00:24:58.251>kind <00:24:58.368>of <00:24:58.485>way

598
00:25:01.305 --> 00:25:05.965
<00:25:01.305>to <00:25:01.421>not <00:25:01.538>overact, <00:25:01.655>um, <00:25:01.771>while <00:25:01.888>it <00:25:02.005>is <00:25:02.121>so <00:25:02.238>easy <00:25:02.355>and <00:25:02.471>fun <00:25:02.588>to <00:25:02.705>overact.

599
00:25:07.305 --> 00:25:10.945
<00:25:07.305>Hmm. <00:25:07.480>So, <00:25:07.655>uh, <00:25:07.830>where <00:25:08.005>can <00:25:08.180>people <00:25:08.355>find <00:25:08.530>more <00:25:08.705>information

600
00:25:11.045 --> 00:25:13.185
<00:25:11.045>to <00:25:11.278>prepare <00:25:11.511>for <00:25:11.745>if <00:25:11.978>they <00:25:12.211>are <00:25:12.445>interested

601
00:25:13.185 --> 00:25:14.265
<00:25:13.185>in <00:25:13.428>going <00:25:13.671>to <00:25:13.914>your <00:25:14.157>workshop?

602
00:25:14.535 --> 00:25:17.305
<00:25:14.535>Like, <00:25:14.662>uh, <00:25:14.789>you <00:25:14.916>talked <00:25:15.044>about <00:25:15.171>spec <00:25:15.298>kit, <00:25:15.425>where <00:25:15.553>can <00:25:15.680>I <00:25:15.807>find <00:25:15.935>that?

603
00:25:17.305 --> 00:25:19.385
<00:25:17.305>What <00:25:17.585>is <00:25:17.865>it <00:25:18.145>like, <00:25:18.425>uh, <00:25:18.705>where,

604
00:25:19.385 --> 00:25:21.425
<00:25:19.385>where <00:25:19.665>can <00:25:19.945>people <00:25:20.225>find <00:25:20.504>great <00:25:20.785>information

605
00:25:21.445 --> 00:25:23.305
<00:25:21.445>to <00:25:21.725>get <00:25:22.004>started <00:25:22.284>in <00:25:22.564>that <00:25:22.845>direction?

606
00:25:24.205 --> 00:25:27.505
<00:25:24.205>Um, <00:25:24.379>so <00:25:24.554>the <00:25:24.730>spec <00:25:24.905>repository <00:25:25.080>is, <00:25:25.254>uh, <00:25:25.429>on <00:25:25.605>GitHub,

607
00:25:27.525 --> 00:25:29.585
<00:25:27.525>so <00:25:27.725>it's <00:25:27.925>an <00:25:28.125>open <00:25:28.325>source <00:25:28.525>project <00:25:28.725>on <00:25:28.925>GitHub.

608
00:25:29.965 --> 00:25:31.905
<00:25:29.965>Um, <00:25:30.245>we <00:25:30.524>can <00:25:30.804>probably <00:25:31.084>provide <00:25:31.365>the

609
00:25:31.905 --> 00:25:33.065
<00:25:31.905>link <00:25:32.113>in <00:25:32.322>the <00:25:32.531>show <00:25:32.740>notes, <00:25:32.949>right?

610
00:25:33.685 --> 00:25:36.425
<00:25:33.685>Um, <00:25:33.840>where <00:25:33.996>people <00:25:34.151>can <00:25:34.307>have <00:25:34.462>a <00:25:34.618>look <00:25:34.773>at <00:25:34.929>into <00:25:35.085>it.

611
00:25:36.445 --> 00:25:39.505
<00:25:36.445>And <00:25:36.600>it, <00:25:36.756>uh, <00:25:36.911>when <00:25:37.067>you <00:25:37.222>try <00:25:37.378>it, <00:25:37.533>don't <00:25:37.689>be <00:25:37.845>scared.

612
00:25:39.615 --> 00:25:41.425
<00:25:39.615>It's <00:25:39.848>not <00:25:40.081>only <00:25:40.315>about <00:25:40.548>get <00:25:40.781>a <00:25:41.015>copilot,

613
00:25:41.445 --> 00:25:45.025
<00:25:41.445>you <00:25:41.585>can <00:25:41.725>basically <00:25:41.865>bring <00:25:42.004>the <00:25:42.145>agent <00:25:42.284>AI <00:25:42.425>of <00:25:42.564>your <00:25:42.705>choice, <00:25:42.845>um,

614
00:25:45.045 --> 00:25:47.265
<00:25:45.045>and <00:25:45.278>then <00:25:45.511>you <00:25:45.745>can <00:25:45.978>start <00:25:46.211>creating <00:25:46.445>a

615
00:25:47.265 --> 00:25:48.505
<00:25:47.265>spec <00:25:47.544>based <00:25:47.823>on <00:25:48.102>your <00:25:48.381>project.

616
00:25:48.605 --> 00:25:50.465
<00:25:48.605>Or <00:25:48.780>you <00:25:48.955>can <00:25:49.130>start <00:25:49.305>like <00:25:49.480>basically <00:25:49.655>a <00:25:49.830>greenfield <00:25:50.005>project.

617
00:25:50.465 --> 00:25:53.145
<00:25:50.465>Just <00:25:50.581>give <00:25:50.698>it <00:25:50.814>a <00:25:50.931>try <00:25:51.048>that <00:25:51.165>you <00:25:51.281>have <00:25:51.398>to <00:25:51.514>feeling <00:25:51.631>how <00:25:51.748>it <00:25:51.865>works.

618
00:25:53.255 --> 00:25:55.825
<00:25:53.255>It's <00:25:53.535>basically <00:25:53.815>a <00:25:54.095>combination <00:25:54.375>of <00:25:54.655>prompts

619
00:25:55.965 --> 00:25:59.385
<00:25:55.965>and <00:25:56.165>a <00:25:56.365>combination <00:25:56.564>of, <00:25:56.764>um, <00:25:56.965>so <00:25:57.165>of <00:25:57.365>scripts

620
00:25:59.385 --> 00:26:01.945
<00:25:59.385>that <00:25:59.560>check <00:25:59.735>if <00:25:59.910>some <00:26:00.085>prompts <00:26:00.260>have <00:26:00.435>already <00:26:00.610>been <00:26:00.785>executed,

621
00:26:02.005 --> 00:26:03.105
<00:26:02.005>to <00:26:02.203>be <00:26:02.401>sure <00:26:02.599>that <00:26:02.797>the <00:26:02.995>spec

622
00:26:03.105 --> 00:26:04.905
<00:26:03.105>that <00:26:03.385>you're <00:26:03.665>generating <00:26:03.945>actually <00:26:04.225>makes <00:26:04.505>sense.

623
00:26:05.495 --> 00:26:08.825
<00:26:05.495>This <00:26:05.635>is <00:26:05.774>what <00:26:05.915>I <00:26:06.054>would <00:26:06.195>highly <00:26:06.334>recommend <00:26:06.475>for <00:26:06.614>people <00:26:06.754>who <00:26:06.895>want

624
00:26:08.825 --> 00:26:11.665
<00:26:08.825>to <00:26:08.932>join <00:26:09.040>a <00:26:09.148>workshop <00:26:09.255>to <00:26:09.363>at <00:26:09.471>least <00:26:09.578>have <00:26:09.686>a <00:26:09.794>look <00:26:09.901>at <00:26:10.009>it <00:26:10.117>for <00:26:10.225>once.

625
00:26:12.205 --> 00:26:15.825
<00:26:12.205>Mm-hmm. <00:26:12.379>And <00:26:12.554>you <00:26:12.730>yourself, <00:26:12.905>where <00:26:13.080>do <00:26:13.254>you <00:26:13.429>find <00:26:13.605>inspiration

626
00:26:16.005 --> 00:26:17.505
<00:26:16.005>and <00:26:16.275>where <00:26:16.545>do <00:26:16.815>you <00:26:17.085>find <00:26:17.355>information?

627
00:26:17.615 --> 00:26:19.425
<00:26:17.615>Like <00:26:17.815>how <00:26:18.015>do <00:26:18.215>you <00:26:18.415>keep <00:26:18.615>up <00:26:18.815>to <00:26:19.015>date?

628
00:26:21.245 --> 00:26:22.585
<00:26:21.245>Do <00:26:21.486>I <00:26:21.727>keep <00:26:21.968>up <00:26:22.209>to <00:26:22.451>date?

629
00:26:23.145 --> 00:26:26.905
<00:26:23.145>Um, <00:26:23.261>fairly <00:26:23.378>to <00:26:23.495>say <00:26:23.611>it's <00:26:23.728>my <00:26:23.845>job <00:26:23.961>to <00:26:24.078>stay <00:26:24.195>up <00:26:24.311>to <00:26:24.428>date, <00:26:24.545>right?

630
00:26:27.045 --> 00:26:28.385
<00:26:27.045>Um, <00:26:27.346>but <00:26:27.648>I'm <00:26:27.949>really <00:26:28.251>struggling.

631
00:26:28.405 --> 00:26:31.505
<00:26:28.405>So <00:26:28.545>obviously <00:26:28.685>as <00:26:28.825>I <00:26:28.965>work <00:26:29.105>at <00:26:29.245>Microsoft, <00:26:29.385>we <00:26:29.524>have <00:26:29.665>a <00:26:29.805>lot

632
00:26:31.625 --> 00:26:33.985
<00:26:31.625>of <00:26:31.905>information <00:26:32.185>streams <00:26:32.465>internally <00:26:32.745>about <00:26:33.025>things

633
00:26:33.985 --> 00:26:36.345
<00:26:33.985>that <00:26:34.140>we <00:26:34.296>are <00:26:34.451>releasing <00:26:34.607>or <00:26:34.762>we <00:26:34.918>are <00:26:35.073>planning <00:26:35.229>on <00:26:35.385>releasing.

634
00:26:36.345 --> 00:26:38.545
<00:26:36.345>These <00:26:36.520>are <00:26:36.695>the <00:26:36.870>streams <00:26:37.045>that <00:26:37.220>I'm <00:26:37.395>actually <00:26:37.570>looking <00:26:37.745>at.

635
00:26:38.845 --> 00:26:39.985
<00:26:38.845>But <00:26:39.050>I'm <00:26:39.255>also <00:26:39.460>getting <00:26:39.665>a <00:26:39.870>lot

636
00:26:39.985 --> 00:26:41.945
<00:26:39.985>of <00:26:40.334>inspiration <00:26:40.685>from <00:26:41.034>LinkedIn <00:26:41.385>actually.

637
00:26:42.085 --> 00:26:44.405
<00:26:42.085>Um, <00:26:42.260>I <00:26:42.435>try, <00:26:42.610>I <00:26:42.785>am <00:26:42.960>not <00:26:43.135>on <00:26:43.310>X <00:26:43.485>anymore.

638
00:26:44.945 --> 00:26:47.965
<00:26:44.945>Um, <00:26:45.085>but <00:26:45.225>in <00:26:45.365>my, <00:26:45.504>I <00:26:45.645>have <00:26:45.784>a <00:26:45.925>very <00:26:46.064>creative <00:26:46.205>LinkedIn <00:26:46.345>field.

639
00:26:47.965 --> 00:26:49.765
<00:26:47.965>We <00:26:48.139>have <00:26:48.314>a <00:26:48.490>lot <00:26:48.665>of <00:26:48.840>developers <00:26:49.014>who <00:26:49.189>are <00:26:49.365>cooling,

640
00:26:49.865 --> 00:26:52.085
<00:26:49.865>who <00:26:49.981>are <00:26:50.098>doing <00:26:50.215>cool <00:26:50.331>stuff, <00:26:50.448>and <00:26:50.565>this <00:26:50.681>is <00:26:50.798>where <00:26:50.915>I <00:26:51.031>get <00:26:51.148>a <00:26:51.265>lot

641
00:26:52.085 --> 00:26:53.245
<00:26:52.085>of <00:26:52.607>inspiration <00:26:53.129>lately.

642
00:26:53.305 --> 00:26:55.165
<00:26:53.305>And <00:26:53.538>I <00:26:53.771>have <00:26:54.005>amazing <00:26:54.238>colleagues <00:26:54.471>who <00:26:54.705>work

643
00:26:55.165 --> 00:26:57.565
<00:26:55.165>with <00:26:55.292>me <00:26:55.419>on <00:26:55.546>the <00:26:55.674>same <00:26:55.801>field, <00:26:55.928>are <00:26:56.055>all <00:26:56.183>struggling <00:26:56.310>the <00:26:56.437>same <00:26:56.565>way

644
00:26:57.565 --> 00:26:59.645
<00:26:57.565>as <00:26:57.720>me, <00:26:57.876>that <00:26:58.031>we <00:26:58.187>are <00:26:58.342>all <00:26:58.498>trying <00:26:58.653>to <00:26:58.809>keep <00:26:58.965>up

645
00:26:59.645 --> 00:27:00.805
<00:26:59.645>with <00:26:59.993>whatever <00:27:00.341>is <00:27:00.689>new.

646
00:27:01.585 --> 00:27:04.445
<00:27:01.585>And <00:27:01.725>in <00:27:01.865>kind <00:27:02.005>of <00:27:02.145>a <00:27:02.285>magic <00:27:02.425>distribution, <00:27:02.565>it <00:27:02.705>seems <00:27:02.845>to <00:27:02.985>kind

647
00:27:04.445 --> 00:27:06.845
<00:27:04.445>of <00:27:04.600>work <00:27:04.756>that <00:27:04.911>everyone <00:27:05.067>is <00:27:05.222>always <00:27:05.378>keeping <00:27:05.533>up <00:27:05.689>with <00:27:05.845>something

648
00:27:06.845 --> 00:27:08.005
<00:27:06.845>that <00:27:07.106>you <00:27:07.367>haven't <00:27:07.628>kept <00:27:07.889>up,

649
00:27:08.005 --> 00:27:10.485
<00:27:08.005>and <00:27:08.160>then <00:27:08.316>you <00:27:08.471>can <00:27:08.627>just <00:27:08.782>consume <00:27:08.938>it <00:27:09.093>from <00:27:09.249>your <00:27:09.405>colleagues

650
00:27:10.715 --> 00:27:12.765
<00:27:10.715>that <00:27:10.995>are <00:27:11.274>either <00:27:11.554>posting <00:27:11.834>it <00:27:12.115>internally.

651
00:27:12.955 --> 00:27:14.245
<00:27:12.955>Obviously <00:27:13.245>this <00:27:13.535>is <00:27:13.825>a <00:27:14.116>privilege

652
00:27:14.245 --> 00:27:15.885
<00:27:14.245>that <00:27:14.478>I <00:27:14.711>have <00:27:14.945>working <00:27:15.178>in <00:27:15.411>an <00:27:15.645>organization

653
00:27:16.025 --> 00:27:19.285
<00:27:16.025>or <00:27:16.200>posting <00:27:16.375>publicly <00:27:16.550>at, <00:27:16.725>at, <00:27:16.900>at, <00:27:17.075>uh, <00:27:17.250>at <00:27:17.425>YouTube

654
00:27:19.425 --> 00:27:20.805
<00:27:19.425>or <00:27:19.839>at, <00:27:20.253>uh, <00:27:20.667>LinkedIn.

655
00:27:21.915 --> 00:27:24.155
<00:27:21.915>Hmm. <00:27:22.070>I <00:27:22.226>found <00:27:22.381>it <00:27:22.537>very <00:27:22.692>interesting <00:27:22.848>when <00:27:23.003>I <00:27:23.159>was <00:27:23.315>in

656
00:27:24.155 --> 00:27:25.235
<00:27:24.155>a <00:27:24.398>similar <00:27:24.640>job <00:27:24.884>than <00:27:25.127>yours.

657
00:27:25.235 --> 00:27:26.955
<00:27:25.235>Like, <00:27:25.409>I <00:27:25.584>got <00:27:25.760>a <00:27:25.935>lot <00:27:26.110>of <00:27:26.284>inspiration <00:27:26.459>from <00:27:26.635>the

658
00:27:26.955 --> 00:27:28.115
<00:27:26.955>needs <00:27:27.476>of <00:27:27.999>customers.

659
00:27:28.255 --> 00:27:30.195
<00:27:28.255>Mm-hmm. <00:27:28.455>When <00:27:28.655>you <00:27:28.855>said, <00:27:29.055>like, <00:27:29.255>you, <00:27:29.455>you're, <00:27:29.655>you're

660
00:27:30.195 --> 00:27:32.875
<00:27:30.195>with <00:27:30.335>a <00:27:30.475>customer <00:27:30.615>and <00:27:30.754>you <00:27:30.895>see <00:27:31.034>people <00:27:31.175>typing <00:27:31.314>the <00:27:31.455>same, <00:27:31.595>uh,

661
00:27:32.975 --> 00:27:34.715
<00:27:32.975>bad <00:27:33.254>prompts <00:27:33.534>and <00:27:33.814>not <00:27:34.094>actually <00:27:34.375>thinking.

662
00:27:34.775 --> 00:27:38.195
<00:27:34.775>So <00:27:34.915>I, <00:27:35.055>I <00:27:35.195>always <00:27:35.335>found <00:27:35.475>like <00:27:35.615>one <00:27:35.755>of <00:27:35.895>the <00:27:36.035>weirdest <00:27:36.175>things

663
00:27:38.195 --> 00:27:41.715
<00:27:38.195>that <00:27:38.335>you <00:27:38.475>want <00:27:38.615>to <00:27:38.754>do <00:27:38.895>is <00:27:39.034>to <00:27:39.175>find <00:27:39.314>problems <00:27:39.455>to <00:27:39.595>solve.

664
00:27:42.335 --> 00:27:44.915
<00:27:42.335>And <00:27:42.475>when <00:27:42.615>people <00:27:42.755>come <00:27:42.895>with <00:27:43.035>you <00:27:43.175>with <00:27:43.315>their <00:27:43.455>problems, <00:27:43.595>I <00:27:43.735>found

665
00:27:44.915 --> 00:27:46.875
<00:27:44.915>that <00:27:45.115>a <00:27:45.315>very <00:27:45.514>inspirational <00:27:45.715>thing <00:27:45.915>to <00:27:46.115>come <00:27:46.315>up

666
00:27:46.875 --> 00:27:48.035
<00:27:46.875>with <00:27:47.136>a <00:27:47.397>solution <00:27:47.658>for <00:27:47.919>it.

667
00:27:48.335 --> 00:27:50.515
<00:27:48.335>To <00:27:48.490>me <00:27:48.646>that's <00:27:48.801>always <00:27:48.957>been <00:27:49.112>a <00:27:49.268>definition <00:27:49.423>of <00:27:49.579>a <00:27:49.735>developer.

668
00:27:50.635 --> 00:27:51.995
<00:27:50.635>I, <00:27:50.879>I <00:27:51.124>want <00:27:51.369>to <00:27:51.614>fix <00:27:51.859>problems

669
00:27:52.175 --> 00:27:54.675
<00:27:52.175>and <00:27:52.315>if <00:27:52.455>I, <00:27:52.595>if <00:27:52.735>there's <00:27:52.875>no <00:27:53.014>problems <00:27:53.155>that <00:27:53.294>come <00:27:53.435>to <00:27:53.575>me,

670
00:27:54.675 --> 00:27:56.835
<00:27:54.675>then <00:27:54.830>I'll <00:27:54.986>try <00:27:55.141>to <00:27:55.297>find <00:27:55.452>some <00:27:55.608>or <00:27:55.763>make <00:27:55.919>them <00:27:56.075>up

671
00:27:56.835 --> 00:27:57.875
<00:27:56.835>and <00:27:57.022>that's <00:27:57.209>not <00:27:57.396>a <00:27:57.583>good <00:27:57.771>idea.

672
00:27:58.465 --> 00:28:00.195
<00:27:58.465>True. <00:27:58.745>Um, <00:27:59.024>for <00:27:59.304>me, <00:27:59.584>the <00:27:59.865>same,

673
00:28:00.315 --> 00:28:02.115
<00:28:00.315>I <00:28:00.595>also <00:28:00.875>get <00:28:01.155>inspiration <00:28:01.435>from <00:28:01.715>customers,

674
00:28:02.175 --> 00:28:05.795
<00:28:02.175>but <00:28:02.302>to <00:28:02.429>be <00:28:02.556>fair, <00:28:02.684>a <00:28:02.811>lot <00:28:02.938>of <00:28:03.065>customers <00:28:03.193>that <00:28:03.320>I <00:28:03.447>talk <00:28:03.575>to,

675
00:28:05.795 --> 00:28:09.195
<00:28:05.795>because <00:28:05.935>I <00:28:06.075>talk <00:28:06.215>with <00:28:06.355>them <00:28:06.495>from <00:28:06.635>a <00:28:06.775>product <00:28:06.915>point <00:28:07.055>of <00:28:07.195>view,

676
00:28:09.905 --> 00:28:12.315
<00:28:09.905>they <00:28:10.060>are <00:28:10.216>not <00:28:10.371>as <00:28:10.527>mature <00:28:10.682>that <00:28:10.838>they <00:28:10.993>would <00:28:11.149>give <00:28:11.305>me

677
00:28:12.545 --> 00:28:14.435
<00:28:12.545>that <00:28:12.825>good <00:28:13.105>information <00:28:13.385>that <00:28:13.665>happens, <00:28:13.945>right?

678
00:28:14.555 --> 00:28:19.475
<00:28:14.555>I <00:28:14.730>would <00:28:14.905>say <00:28:15.080>like <00:28:15.255>in <00:28:15.430>5% <00:28:15.605>of <00:28:15.780>customers <00:28:15.955>conversation,

679
00:28:19.635 --> 00:28:22.275
<00:28:19.635>I <00:28:19.810>get <00:28:19.985>like <00:28:20.160>an <00:28:20.335>informa, <00:28:20.510>like <00:28:20.685>an <00:28:20.860>information <00:28:21.035>spark

680
00:28:22.275 --> 00:28:23.835
<00:28:22.275>that <00:28:22.625>teaches <00:28:22.975>me <00:28:23.325>something <00:28:23.675>new.

681
00:28:24.535 --> 00:28:28.195
<00:28:24.535>But <00:28:24.642>to <00:28:24.750>be <00:28:24.858>fair, <00:28:24.965>a <00:28:25.073>lot <00:28:25.181>of <00:28:25.288>customers <00:28:25.396>that <00:28:25.504>I <00:28:25.611>talk <00:28:25.719>to <00:28:25.827>are <00:28:25.935>like

682
00:28:29.135 --> 00:28:30.355
<00:28:29.135>months <00:28:29.684>behind <00:28:30.233>in

683
00:28:30.355 --> 00:28:32.995
<00:28:30.355>what <00:28:30.530>we <00:28:30.705>are <00:28:30.880>doing <00:28:31.055>internally <00:28:31.230>at <00:28:31.405>Microsoft <00:28:31.580>and <00:28:31.755>GitHub.

684
00:28:33.695 --> 00:28:37.395
<00:28:33.695>Um, <00:28:33.835>which <00:28:33.975>doesn't <00:28:34.115>mean <00:28:34.254>I <00:28:34.395>learned <00:28:34.534>nothing <00:28:34.675>new, <00:28:34.814>but <00:28:34.955>it's <00:28:35.095>rare.

685
00:28:37.855 --> 00:28:39.915
<00:28:37.855>That's <00:28:38.135>the, <00:28:38.415>that's <00:28:38.695>the <00:28:38.975>unfortunate <00:28:39.255>reality.

686
00:28:40.075 --> 00:28:41.875
<00:28:40.075>I <00:28:40.308>would <00:28:40.541>love <00:28:40.775>to <00:28:41.008>learn <00:28:41.241>more <00:28:41.475>actually,

687
00:28:42.535 --> 00:28:45.275
<00:28:42.535>But <00:28:42.662>I, <00:28:42.789>I <00:28:42.916>think <00:28:43.044>there <00:28:43.171>is <00:28:43.298>a <00:28:43.425>good <00:28:43.553>opportunity <00:28:43.680>there <00:28:43.807>as <00:28:43.935>well.

688
00:28:45.275 --> 00:28:47.635
<00:28:45.275>Like, <00:28:45.508>I <00:28:45.741>mean, <00:28:45.975>when <00:28:46.208>somebody <00:28:46.441>who <00:28:46.675>may,

689
00:28:47.635 --> 00:28:49.115
<00:28:47.635>who <00:28:47.968>writes <00:28:48.301>a <00:28:48.634>huge <00:28:48.967>newsletter

690
00:28:49.215 --> 00:28:51.635
<00:28:49.215>and <00:28:49.355>has <00:28:49.495>to <00:28:49.635>be <00:28:49.774>on <00:28:49.915>the, <00:28:50.054>on <00:28:50.195>the, <00:28:50.334>the <00:28:50.475>bleeding <00:28:50.615>edge

691
00:28:51.635 --> 00:28:56.235
<00:28:51.635>of <00:28:51.762>things <00:28:51.889>all <00:28:52.016>the <00:28:52.144>time, <00:28:52.271>I'm <00:28:52.398>so <00:28:52.525>tired <00:28:52.653>of <00:28:52.780>companies, <00:28:52.907>uh, <00:28:53.035>uh,

692
00:28:56.505 --> 00:28:59.995
<00:28:56.505>like <00:28:56.705>admitting <00:28:56.905>or <00:28:57.105>like <00:28:57.305>describing <00:28:57.505>a <00:28:57.705>win <00:28:57.905>already

693
00:29:00.055 --> 00:29:02.235
<00:29:00.055>and <00:29:00.335>say <00:29:00.615>like, <00:29:00.895>everybody's <00:29:01.175>using <00:29:01.455>Asians,

694
00:29:02.235 --> 00:29:04.355
<00:29:02.235>everybody's <00:29:02.584>using <00:29:02.935>an <00:29:03.284>energetic <00:29:03.635>environment,

695
00:29:04.355 --> 00:29:06.715
<00:29:04.355>everybody's <00:29:04.530>using <00:29:04.705>a <00:29:04.880>copilot <00:29:05.055>and <00:29:05.230>these <00:29:05.405>kind <00:29:05.580>of <00:29:05.755>things.

696
00:29:07.055 --> 00:29:10.315
<00:29:07.055>And <00:29:07.210>then <00:29:07.366>you <00:29:07.521>see <00:29:07.677>a <00:29:07.832>huge <00:29:07.988>companies <00:29:08.143>that <00:29:08.299>do <00:29:08.455>products

697
00:29:10.315 --> 00:29:12.595
<00:29:10.315>that <00:29:10.548>people <00:29:10.781>work <00:29:11.015>with <00:29:11.248>day <00:29:11.481>by <00:29:11.715>day,

698
00:29:13.415 --> 00:29:15.795
<00:29:13.415>and <00:29:13.615>they're <00:29:13.815>so <00:29:14.014>far <00:29:14.215>removed <00:29:14.415>from <00:29:14.615>that <00:29:14.815>still.

699
00:29:15.795 --> 00:29:18.835
<00:29:15.795>Like <00:29:15.935>there <00:29:16.075>seems <00:29:16.215>to <00:29:16.355>be <00:29:16.495>like <00:29:16.635>this <00:29:16.775>siren <00:29:16.915>song <00:29:17.055>of <00:29:17.195>like,

700
00:29:18.835 --> 00:29:21.595
<00:29:18.835>you <00:29:19.068>gotta <00:29:19.301>be <00:29:19.535>like <00:29:19.768>really <00:29:20.001>into <00:29:20.235>it.

701
00:29:21.655 --> 00:29:24.115
<00:29:21.655>You <00:29:21.855>gotta <00:29:22.055>be <00:29:22.254>like <00:29:22.455>an <00:29:22.655>agent <00:29:22.855>developer <00:29:23.055>already

702
00:29:24.135 --> 00:29:25.795
<00:29:24.135>or <00:29:24.290>you're <00:29:24.446>not <00:29:24.601>gonna <00:29:24.757>have <00:29:24.912>a <00:29:25.068>job <00:29:25.223>in <00:29:25.379>two <00:29:25.535>months.

703
00:29:26.015 --> 00:29:28.835
<00:29:26.015>And <00:29:26.155>I <00:29:26.295>find <00:29:26.435>there <00:29:26.575>is <00:29:26.715>a <00:29:26.855>whole <00:29:26.995>world <00:29:27.135>of <00:29:27.275>out <00:29:27.415>there

704
00:29:28.835 --> 00:29:31.035
<00:29:28.835>that <00:29:29.115>actually <00:29:29.395>needs <00:29:29.675>to <00:29:29.955>catch <00:29:30.235>up

705
00:29:31.175 --> 00:29:32.875
<00:29:31.175>or <00:29:31.408>probably <00:29:31.641>doesn't <00:29:31.875>need <00:29:32.108>to <00:29:32.341>catch <00:29:32.575>up

706
00:29:32.875 --> 00:29:34.755
<00:29:32.875>because <00:29:33.155>it's <00:29:33.435>not <00:29:33.715>applicable <00:29:33.995>to <00:29:34.275>them.

707
00:29:35.315 --> 00:29:36.435
<00:29:35.315>I <00:29:35.459>don't <00:29:35.603>want <00:29:35.747>to <00:29:35.891>say <00:29:36.035>it's <00:29:36.178>a <00:29:36.322>bubble

708
00:29:36.435 --> 00:29:37.915
<00:29:36.435>because <00:29:36.701>I <00:29:36.967>don't <00:29:37.234>think <00:29:37.500>it <00:29:37.767>is.

709
00:29:38.295 --> 00:29:42.645
<00:29:38.295>Um, <00:29:38.495>so <00:29:38.695>being <00:29:38.895>an <00:29:39.095>energetic <00:29:39.295>developer <00:29:39.495>is <00:29:39.695>something

710
00:29:42.645 --> 00:29:45.005
<00:29:42.645>that <00:29:42.820>is <00:29:42.995>very <00:29:43.170>real <00:29:43.345>and <00:29:43.520>we <00:29:43.695>see <00:29:43.870>with <00:29:44.045>customers,

711
00:29:45.025 --> 00:29:48.245
<00:29:45.025>and <00:29:45.180>I <00:29:45.336>also <00:29:45.491>talk <00:29:45.647>to <00:29:45.802>freelancers <00:29:45.958>at <00:29:46.113>conferences <00:29:46.269>for <00:29:46.425>example,

712
00:29:48.475 --> 00:29:51.565
<00:29:48.475>that <00:29:48.630>really <00:29:48.786>describe <00:29:48.941>that <00:29:49.097>this <00:29:49.252>changes <00:29:49.408>their <00:29:49.563>way <00:29:49.719>of <00:29:49.875>working

713
00:29:51.565 --> 00:29:53.525
<00:29:51.565>and <00:29:51.798>also <00:29:52.031>accelerates <00:29:52.265>their <00:29:52.498>way <00:29:52.731>of <00:29:52.965>working.

714
00:29:54.305 --> 00:29:56.525
<00:29:54.305>Um, <00:29:54.460>but <00:29:54.616>what <00:29:54.771>is <00:29:54.927>the <00:29:55.082>true <00:29:55.238>at <00:29:55.393>the <00:29:55.549>same <00:29:55.705>time

715
00:29:56.525 --> 00:29:59.245
<00:29:56.525>that <00:29:56.680>there <00:29:56.836>is <00:29:56.991>like <00:29:57.147>also <00:29:57.302>like <00:29:57.458>this <00:29:57.613>tech <00:29:57.769>pro <00:29:57.925>bubble

716
00:29:59.545 --> 00:30:02.245
<00:29:59.545>who <00:29:59.745>is <00:29:59.945>like <00:30:00.145>way <00:30:00.345>too <00:30:00.545>overacting <00:30:00.745>on <00:30:00.945>things

717
00:30:02.275 --> 00:30:03.525
<00:30:02.275>that <00:30:02.650>are <00:30:03.025>actually <00:30:03.400>happening.

718
00:30:03.945 --> 00:30:06.805
<00:30:03.945>The <00:30:04.100>reality <00:30:04.256>for <00:30:04.411>most <00:30:04.567>people <00:30:04.722>that <00:30:04.878>I <00:30:05.033>work <00:30:05.189>with <00:30:05.345>is

719
00:30:06.915 --> 00:30:08.645
<00:30:06.915>that <00:30:07.115>they <00:30:07.315>are <00:30:07.514>still <00:30:07.715>at <00:30:07.915>the <00:30:08.115>very <00:30:08.315>beginning.

720
00:30:09.385 --> 00:30:12.285
<00:30:09.385>And <00:30:09.512>when <00:30:09.639>I, <00:30:09.766>what <00:30:09.894>I <00:30:10.021>really <00:30:10.148>like <00:30:10.275>to <00:30:10.403>ask <00:30:10.530>at <00:30:10.657>the <00:30:10.785>beginning

721
00:30:12.285 --> 00:30:16.125
<00:30:12.285>of <00:30:12.392>a <00:30:12.500>talk <00:30:12.608>that <00:30:12.715>I <00:30:12.823>do <00:30:12.931>can <00:30:13.038>is <00:30:13.146>who <00:30:13.254>in <00:30:13.361>the <00:30:13.469>room <00:30:13.577>is <00:30:13.685>confident

722
00:30:16.505 --> 00:30:20.245
<00:30:16.505>to <00:30:16.645>explain <00:30:16.785>me <00:30:16.925>the <00:30:17.065>difference <00:30:17.205>between <00:30:17.345>gen <00:30:17.485>AI <00:30:17.625>and <00:30:17.765>Gentech <00:30:17.905>ai?

723
00:30:20.305 --> 00:30:23.285
<00:30:20.305>And <00:30:20.460>it's <00:30:20.616>still <00:30:20.771>the <00:30:20.927>minority <00:30:21.082>that <00:30:21.238>that <00:30:21.393>raises <00:30:21.549>their <00:30:21.705>hands.

724
00:30:23.785 --> 00:30:25.485
<00:30:23.785>And <00:30:24.065>this <00:30:24.345>is <00:30:24.625>like <00:30:24.905>a <00:30:25.185>reflection

725
00:30:25.485 --> 00:30:28.205
<00:30:25.485>between <00:30:25.685>all <00:30:25.885>the <00:30:26.084>different <00:30:26.284>silos <00:30:26.485>of <00:30:26.685>the <00:30:26.885>organizations.

726
00:30:28.505 --> 00:30:31.525
<00:30:28.505>So <00:30:28.660>I <00:30:28.816>think <00:30:28.971>it's <00:30:29.127>fair <00:30:29.282>enough <00:30:29.438>to <00:30:29.593>see <00:30:29.749>both, <00:30:29.905>right?

727
00:30:31.925 --> 00:30:32.925
<00:30:31.925>Ignoring <00:30:32.149>the <00:30:32.375>tech <00:30:32.600>pro <00:30:32.825>bubble,

728
00:30:33.145 --> 00:30:36.085
<00:30:33.145>but <00:30:33.285>seeing <00:30:33.425>the <00:30:33.565>ones <00:30:33.705>that <00:30:33.845>are <00:30:33.985>actually <00:30:34.125>advanced <00:30:34.264>in <00:30:34.405>that <00:30:34.545>space

729
00:30:36.085 --> 00:30:39.205
<00:30:36.085>and <00:30:36.225>talking <00:30:36.365>not <00:30:36.505>only <00:30:36.645>about <00:30:36.785>agenda <00:30:36.925>ai, <00:30:37.065>but <00:30:37.205>also <00:30:37.345>agenda <00:30:37.485>AI

730
00:30:39.205 --> 00:30:42.845
<00:30:39.205>and <00:30:39.332>PSLC <00:30:39.459>in <00:30:39.586>my <00:30:39.714>personal <00:30:39.841>opinion, <00:30:39.968>the <00:30:40.095>next <00:30:40.223>step <00:30:40.350>which <00:30:40.477>we <00:30:40.605>need

731
00:30:42.845 --> 00:30:44.725
<00:30:42.845>to <00:30:43.125>look <00:30:43.405>at, <00:30:43.685>but <00:30:43.965>also <00:30:44.245>ensure

732
00:30:44.725 --> 00:30:47.645
<00:30:44.725>that <00:30:44.880>we <00:30:45.036>do <00:30:45.191>not <00:30:45.347>lose <00:30:45.502>the <00:30:45.658>people <00:30:45.813>in <00:30:45.969>our <00:30:46.125>organization,

733
00:30:47.645 --> 00:30:49.605
<00:30:47.645>or <00:30:47.925>maybe <00:30:48.205>even <00:30:48.485>the <00:30:48.764>whole <00:30:49.045>organizations

734
00:30:49.625 --> 00:30:53.445
<00:30:49.625>who <00:30:49.765>are <00:30:49.905>just <00:30:50.045>getting <00:30:50.185>started <00:30:50.325>with <00:30:50.465>the <00:30:50.605>whole <00:30:50.745>way <00:30:50.885>of <00:30:51.025>working

735
00:30:53.665 --> 00:30:55.885
<00:30:53.665>and <00:30:53.945>the <00:30:54.225>change <00:30:54.504>that <00:30:54.784>is <00:30:55.065>happening

736
00:30:55.905 --> 00:30:57.365
<00:30:55.905>to <00:30:56.233>the <00:30:56.562>software <00:30:56.890>engineering <00:30:57.219>role.

737
00:30:58.645 --> 00:31:01.125
<00:30:58.645>Hmm. <00:30:58.845>So <00:30:59.045>when <00:30:59.245>it <00:30:59.445>comes <00:30:59.645>to <00:30:59.845>the <00:31:00.045>Congress,

738
00:31:01.125 --> 00:31:02.245
<00:31:01.125>what <00:31:01.377>are <00:31:01.629>you <00:31:01.880>excited <00:31:02.132>about?

739
00:31:02.435 --> 00:31:04.525
<00:31:02.435>Like <00:31:02.610>what, <00:31:02.784>what <00:31:02.960>are <00:31:03.135>you <00:31:03.310>looking <00:31:03.485>forward <00:31:03.659>to, <00:31:03.835>uh,

740
00:31:04.525 --> 00:31:05.845
<00:31:04.525>about <00:31:04.822>the <00:31:05.119>Congress <00:31:05.416>this <00:31:05.713>year?

741
00:31:07.075 --> 00:31:09.725
<00:31:07.075>Talking <00:31:07.275>to <00:31:07.475>real <00:31:07.675>people, <00:31:07.875>to <00:31:08.075>be <00:31:08.275>fair, <00:31:08.475>right.

742
00:31:10.185 --> 00:31:14.445
<00:31:10.185>Um, <00:31:10.312>as <00:31:10.439>mentioned, <00:31:10.566>I, <00:31:10.694>I <00:31:10.821>am, <00:31:10.948>I <00:31:11.075>am <00:31:11.203>in <00:31:11.330>a <00:31:11.457>bias <00:31:11.585>bubble

743
00:31:14.545 --> 00:31:17.085
<00:31:14.545>and <00:31:14.720>I <00:31:14.895>talk <00:31:15.070>to <00:31:15.245>a <00:31:15.420>very <00:31:15.595>selected, <00:31:15.770>sort, <00:31:15.945>uh,

744
00:31:17.485 --> 00:31:18.525
<00:31:17.485>selected <00:31:17.797>group <00:31:18.109>of <00:31:18.421>people.

745
00:31:18.985 --> 00:31:23.005
<00:31:18.985>But <00:31:19.101>every <00:31:19.218>time <00:31:19.334>when <00:31:19.451>I <00:31:19.568>am <00:31:19.685>at, <00:31:19.801>we <00:31:19.918>are <00:31:20.034>developers, <00:31:20.151>I <00:31:20.268>see <00:31:20.385>people

746
00:31:23.225 --> 00:31:25.805
<00:31:23.225>and <00:31:23.574>developers <00:31:23.925>of <00:31:24.274>all <00:31:24.625>shapes

747
00:31:25.805 --> 00:31:28.245
<00:31:25.805>and <00:31:26.038>size <00:31:26.271>of <00:31:26.505>all <00:31:26.738>organizations, <00:31:26.971>uh, <00:31:27.205>sizes

748
00:31:28.245 --> 00:31:31.045
<00:31:28.245>with <00:31:28.385>like <00:31:28.524>all <00:31:28.665>the <00:31:28.804>problems <00:31:28.945>that <00:31:29.084>you <00:31:29.225>can <00:31:29.364>probably <00:31:29.504>think <00:31:29.645>about

749
00:31:31.185 --> 00:31:33.405
<00:31:31.185>and <00:31:31.340>you <00:31:31.496>have <00:31:31.651>the <00:31:31.807>opportunity <00:31:31.962>to <00:31:32.118>talk <00:31:32.273>to <00:31:32.429>them <00:31:32.585>all.

750
00:31:33.785 --> 00:31:35.285
<00:31:33.785>And <00:31:34.122>this <00:31:34.460>is <00:31:34.797>super <00:31:35.135>exciting.

751
00:31:35.585 --> 00:31:38.485
<00:31:35.585>Um, <00:31:35.712>and <00:31:35.839>when <00:31:35.966>I <00:31:36.094>did <00:31:36.221>like <00:31:36.348>the <00:31:36.475>talks <00:31:36.603>last <00:31:36.730>year, <00:31:36.857>I <00:31:36.985>had

752
00:31:38.505 --> 00:31:41.925
<00:31:38.505>so <00:31:38.680>many <00:31:38.855>very <00:31:39.030>good <00:31:39.205>discussions <00:31:39.380>afterwards <00:31:39.555>where <00:31:39.730>people <00:31:39.905>are,

753
00:31:42.115 --> 00:31:45.245
<00:31:42.115>were <00:31:42.270>actively <00:31:42.426>challenging <00:31:42.581>the <00:31:42.737>things <00:31:42.892>that <00:31:43.048>I <00:31:43.203>said <00:31:43.359>on <00:31:43.515>stage,

754
00:31:45.665 --> 00:31:47.805
<00:31:45.665>and <00:31:45.898>these <00:31:46.131>are <00:31:46.365>the <00:31:46.598>opportunities <00:31:46.831>for <00:31:47.065>me

755
00:31:47.805 --> 00:31:49.285
<00:31:47.805>to <00:31:48.249>actually <00:31:48.693>learn <00:31:49.137>something.

756
00:31:49.315 --> 00:31:51.405
<00:31:49.315>This <00:31:49.490>is <00:31:49.665>something <00:31:49.840>that <00:31:50.015>I <00:31:50.190>really <00:31:50.365>look <00:31:50.540>forward <00:31:50.715>to.

757
00:31:52.605 --> 00:31:54.605
<00:31:52.605>Hmm. <00:31:52.885>Yeah, <00:31:53.165>it's <00:31:53.445>an <00:31:53.725>interesting <00:31:54.005>shape.

758
00:31:54.765 --> 00:31:58.405
<00:31:54.765>I <00:31:54.881>mean <00:31:54.998>the, <00:31:55.115>the, <00:31:55.231>uh, <00:31:55.348>uh, <00:31:55.465>when <00:31:55.581>I <00:31:55.698>joined <00:31:55.815>the <00:31:55.931>company, <00:31:56.048>I, <00:31:56.165>I,

759
00:31:58.565 --> 00:32:00.965
<00:31:58.565>I <00:31:58.720>said, <00:31:58.876>yeah, <00:31:59.031>we're <00:31:59.187>developer <00:31:59.342>event, <00:31:59.498>we <00:31:59.653>are <00:31:59.809>developer <00:31:59.965>event.

760
00:32:00.965 --> 00:32:02.805
<00:32:00.965>And <00:32:01.139>I'm <00:32:01.314>like, <00:32:01.490>with <00:32:01.665>that <00:32:01.840>size, <00:32:02.014>you <00:32:02.189>can't <00:32:02.365>be.

761
00:32:03.185 --> 00:32:06.205
<00:32:03.185>But <00:32:03.325>then <00:32:03.465>for <00:32:03.605>now, <00:32:03.745>four <00:32:03.885>years <00:32:04.024>later, <00:32:04.165>when <00:32:04.304>I <00:32:04.445>was <00:32:04.585>moderating

762
00:32:06.205 --> 00:32:08.005
<00:32:06.205>and <00:32:06.379>now <00:32:06.554>I'm <00:32:06.730>working <00:32:06.905>with <00:32:07.080>the <00:32:07.254>company, <00:32:07.429>it <00:32:07.605>is

763
00:32:08.005 --> 00:32:10.485
<00:32:08.005>that <00:32:08.160>way <00:32:08.316>you <00:32:08.471>meet <00:32:08.627>a <00:32:08.782>lot <00:32:08.938>of <00:32:09.093>really <00:32:09.249>technical <00:32:09.405>people,

764
00:32:11.285 --> 00:32:12.845
<00:32:11.285>interesting <00:32:11.485>people <00:32:11.685>that <00:32:11.885>come <00:32:12.085>out <00:32:12.285>once <00:32:12.485>a <00:32:12.685>year

765
00:32:12.865 --> 00:32:15.245
<00:32:12.865>and <00:32:13.040>actually <00:32:13.215>do <00:32:13.390>something <00:32:13.565>with, <00:32:13.740>together <00:32:13.915>with <00:32:14.090>their <00:32:14.265>teams.

766
00:32:15.665 --> 00:32:18.325
<00:32:15.665>And <00:32:15.820>it's <00:32:15.976>not <00:32:16.131>the, <00:32:16.287>the, <00:32:16.442>I <00:32:16.598>mean, <00:32:16.753>Germany <00:32:16.909>always <00:32:17.065>had

767
00:32:18.325 --> 00:32:20.205
<00:32:18.325>that <00:32:18.525>problem <00:32:18.725>with <00:32:18.925>events <00:32:19.125>that <00:32:19.325>you <00:32:19.525>had <00:32:19.725>teams

768
00:32:20.235 --> 00:32:21.525
<00:32:20.235>that <00:32:20.428>were <00:32:20.621>sent <00:32:20.815>in <00:32:21.009>as <00:32:21.202>a <00:32:21.396>group

769
00:32:21.585 --> 00:32:22.965
<00:32:21.585>and <00:32:21.762>then <00:32:21.939>they <00:32:22.117>only <00:32:22.294>talk <00:32:22.472>to <00:32:22.649>each <00:32:22.827>other

770
00:32:23.425 --> 00:32:24.645
<00:32:23.425>rather <00:32:23.791>than <00:32:24.157>spreading <00:32:24.523>out.

771
00:32:25.065 --> 00:32:27.845
<00:32:25.065>But <00:32:25.205>it <00:32:25.345>seems <00:32:25.485>like <00:32:25.625>it's <00:32:25.765>much <00:32:25.905>more <00:32:26.045>natural <00:32:26.185>at <00:32:26.325>the <00:32:26.465>Congress

772
00:32:28.405 --> 00:32:29.725
<00:32:28.405>that <00:32:28.603>this <00:32:28.801>is <00:32:28.999>happening <00:32:29.197>at <00:32:29.395>the <00:32:29.592>moment.

773
00:32:29.865 --> 00:32:32.285
<00:32:29.865>And <00:32:30.040>I <00:32:30.215>find <00:32:30.390>it <00:32:30.565>fascinating <00:32:30.740>how <00:32:30.915>people <00:32:31.090>spread <00:32:31.265>out

774
00:32:32.305 --> 00:32:35.365
<00:32:32.305>and <00:32:32.445>how <00:32:32.585>you <00:32:32.725>get <00:32:32.865>a <00:32:33.005>chance <00:32:33.145>to <00:32:33.285>talk <00:32:33.425>to <00:32:33.565>Microsoft, <00:32:33.705>talk

775
00:32:35.425 --> 00:32:37.805
<00:32:35.425>to <00:32:35.580>block, <00:32:35.736>talk <00:32:35.891>to <00:32:36.047>lots <00:32:36.202>of <00:32:36.358>people <00:32:36.513>at <00:32:36.669>the <00:32:36.825>same,

776
00:32:38.185 --> 00:32:41.205
<00:32:38.185>at <00:32:38.325>the <00:32:38.465>same <00:32:38.605>level, <00:32:38.745>and, <00:32:38.885>uh, <00:32:39.024>get <00:32:39.165>a <00:32:39.304>cho <00:32:39.445>get <00:32:39.585>a,

777
00:32:41.205 --> 00:32:42.605
<00:32:41.205>an <00:32:41.520>insight <00:32:41.835>into <00:32:42.150>different <00:32:42.465>things.

778
00:32:42.625 --> 00:32:45.565
<00:32:42.625>And <00:32:42.800>with <00:32:42.975>all <00:32:43.150>the <00:32:43.325>different, <00:32:43.500>uh, <00:32:43.675>the <00:32:43.850>different <00:32:44.025>stages

779
00:32:45.595 --> 00:32:48.885
<00:32:45.595>that <00:32:45.735>we <00:32:45.875>have, <00:32:46.015>you <00:32:46.155>can <00:32:46.295>stick <00:32:46.435>with <00:32:46.575>the <00:32:46.715>one <00:32:46.855>subject <00:32:46.995>matter

780
00:32:48.885 --> 00:32:52.045
<00:32:48.885>that <00:32:49.025>you <00:32:49.165>have <00:32:49.305>or <00:32:49.445>maybe <00:32:49.585>stick <00:32:49.725>your <00:32:49.865>foot <00:32:50.004>into <00:32:50.145>another <00:32:50.285>pond

781
00:32:52.045 --> 00:32:54.405
<00:32:52.045>that <00:32:52.220>you <00:32:52.395>haven't <00:32:52.570>done <00:32:52.745>before <00:32:52.920>and <00:32:53.095>learn <00:32:53.270>something <00:32:53.445>new.

782
00:32:55.305 --> 00:32:56.565
<00:32:55.305>So <00:32:55.588>what <00:32:55.872>would <00:32:56.155>you <00:32:56.439>say

783
00:32:56.585 --> 00:32:58.725
<00:32:56.585>to <00:32:56.818>anyone <00:32:57.051>considering <00:32:57.285>coming <00:32:57.518>to <00:32:57.751>the <00:32:57.985>Congress?

784
00:32:58.865 --> 00:33:01.125
<00:32:58.865>Why <00:32:59.005>should <00:32:59.145>they <00:32:59.285>go <00:32:59.425>and <00:32:59.565>what <00:32:59.705>could <00:32:59.845>they <00:32:59.985>do <00:33:00.125>there? <00:33:00.265>So

785
00:33:01.345 --> 00:33:03.645
<00:33:01.345>The <00:33:01.500>problem <00:33:01.656>that <00:33:01.811>I <00:33:01.967>think <00:33:02.122>we <00:33:02.278>have <00:33:02.433>in <00:33:02.589>Germany <00:33:02.745>is

786
00:33:03.645 --> 00:33:06.605
<00:33:03.645>that <00:33:03.820>we <00:33:03.995>have <00:33:04.170>usually <00:33:04.345>only <00:33:04.520>two <00:33:04.695>types <00:33:04.870>of <00:33:05.045>conferences.

787
00:33:06.705 --> 00:33:09.605
<00:33:06.705>We <00:33:06.938>have <00:33:07.171>these <00:33:07.405>super <00:33:07.638>duper <00:33:07.871>commercial <00:33:08.105>ones

788
00:33:09.605 --> 00:33:11.885
<00:33:09.605>where <00:33:09.805>people <00:33:10.005>just <00:33:10.205>spend <00:33:10.405>a <00:33:10.605>lot <00:33:10.805>of <00:33:11.005>money

789
00:33:11.945 --> 00:33:14.085
<00:33:11.945>to <00:33:12.145>have <00:33:12.345>like <00:33:12.544>a <00:33:12.745>super <00:33:12.945>duper <00:33:13.145>small <00:33:13.345>booth.

790
00:33:14.105 --> 00:33:16.885
<00:33:14.105>And <00:33:14.260>this <00:33:14.416>is <00:33:14.571>like, <00:33:14.727>then <00:33:14.882>don't <00:33:15.038>want <00:33:15.193>to <00:33:15.349>be <00:33:15.505>disrespectful,

791
00:33:16.995 --> 00:33:21.045
<00:33:16.995>like <00:33:17.195>the <00:33:17.395>totally <00:33:17.594>unknown <00:33:17.794>little <00:33:17.995>consulting <00:33:18.195>company <00:33:18.395>from,

792
00:33:22.195 --> 00:33:25.005
<00:33:22.195>from <00:33:22.395>a <00:33:22.595>little <00:33:22.794>like, <00:33:22.995>uh, <00:33:23.195>village <00:33:23.395>behind <00:33:23.595>Berlin.

793
00:33:25.345 --> 00:33:28.405
<00:33:25.345>And <00:33:25.500>then <00:33:25.656>they <00:33:25.811>try <00:33:25.967>to <00:33:26.122>advertise <00:33:26.278>and <00:33:26.433>gain <00:33:26.589>new <00:33:26.745>customers.

794
00:33:28.585 --> 00:33:29.725
<00:33:28.585>And <00:33:28.927>also <00:33:29.269>the <00:33:29.610>talks

795
00:33:29.725 --> 00:33:32.565
<00:33:29.725>that <00:33:29.899>are <00:33:30.074>happening <00:33:30.250>at <00:33:30.425>these <00:33:30.600>conferences <00:33:30.774>are <00:33:30.949>usually <00:33:31.125>bought

796
00:33:33.275 --> 00:33:34.725
<00:33:33.275>with <00:33:33.601>just <00:33:33.927>with <00:33:34.253>money, <00:33:34.580>not

797
00:33:34.725 --> 00:33:36.165
<00:33:34.725>because <00:33:35.049>the <00:33:35.373>person's <00:33:35.697>actually <00:33:36.021>relevant

798
00:33:36.185 --> 00:33:38.125
<00:33:36.185>or <00:33:36.465>has <00:33:36.745>anything <00:33:37.024>interesting <00:33:37.304>to <00:33:37.585>say.

799
00:33:38.125 --> 00:33:40.845
<00:33:38.125>Sometimes <00:33:38.358>they <00:33:38.591>have, <00:33:38.825>sometimes <00:33:39.058>they <00:33:39.291>have <00:33:39.525>not.

800
00:33:41.065 --> 00:33:42.605
<00:33:41.065>Or <00:33:41.342>this <00:33:41.619>is <00:33:41.896>the <00:33:42.173>other <00:33:42.451>extreme.

801
00:33:42.665 --> 00:33:45.525
<00:33:42.665>You <00:33:42.840>have <00:33:43.014>like <00:33:43.190>a <00:33:43.365>hundred <00:33:43.540>percent <00:33:43.715>community <00:33:43.889>driven, <00:33:44.065>um,

802
00:33:45.715 --> 00:33:50.365
<00:33:45.715>conferences <00:33:45.948>where <00:33:46.181>it's <00:33:46.415>basically <00:33:46.648>only <00:33:46.881>about <00:33:47.115>networking.

803
00:33:50.625 --> 00:33:52.725
<00:33:50.625>But <00:33:50.825>the <00:33:51.025>problem <00:33:51.225>there <00:33:51.425>is <00:33:51.625>the <00:33:51.825>big <00:33:52.025>ones,

804
00:33:52.725 --> 00:33:55.285
<00:33:52.725>the <00:33:52.925>big <00:33:53.125>tech <00:33:53.324>organizations <00:33:53.524>are <00:33:53.725>usually <00:33:53.925>not <00:33:54.125>there

805
00:33:55.285 --> 00:33:57.965
<00:33:55.285>because <00:33:55.485>they <00:33:55.685>also <00:33:55.885>not <00:33:56.085>feel <00:33:56.285>very <00:33:56.485>welcome <00:33:56.685>usually.

806
00:33:57.965 --> 00:34:00.685
<00:33:57.965>Right? <00:33:58.198>Just <00:33:58.431>from <00:33:58.665>Microsoft <00:33:58.898>perspective, <00:33:59.131>uh, <00:33:59.365>speaking.

807
00:34:01.305 --> 00:34:03.445
<00:34:01.305>Um, <00:34:01.460>and <00:34:01.616>the <00:34:01.771>sweet <00:34:01.927>spot <00:34:02.082>that <00:34:02.238>we <00:34:02.393>are <00:34:02.549>developers <00:34:02.705>is

808
00:34:03.445 --> 00:34:05.965
<00:34:03.445>that <00:34:03.600>you <00:34:03.756>have <00:34:03.911>both, <00:34:04.067>you <00:34:04.222>have <00:34:04.378>like <00:34:04.533>the <00:34:04.689>smaller, <00:34:04.845>uh,

809
00:34:05.965 --> 00:34:08.765
<00:34:05.965>small <00:34:06.105>consulting <00:34:06.245>company, <00:34:06.385>uh, <00:34:06.524>in <00:34:06.665>a, <00:34:06.804>from <00:34:06.945>a <00:34:07.084>small <00:34:07.225>way <00:34:07.365>near

810
00:34:08.765 --> 00:34:13.565
<00:34:08.764>to <00:34:08.904>Berlin <00:34:09.045>that <00:34:09.185>then <00:34:09.324>can <00:34:09.464>talk <00:34:09.605>to <00:34:09.745>the <00:34:09.884>AWS, <00:34:10.025>the <00:34:10.165>Microsoft

811
00:34:13.565 --> 00:34:14.845
<00:34:13.565>and <00:34:13.795>the <00:34:14.025>Google <00:34:14.256>that <00:34:14.486>is <00:34:14.716>there.

812
00:34:15.025 --> 00:34:17.885
<00:34:15.025>And <00:34:15.200>then <00:34:15.375>you <00:34:15.550>have <00:34:15.725>like <00:34:15.900>this, <00:34:16.075>this <00:34:16.250>diverse <00:34:16.425>popularity

813
00:34:18.105 --> 00:34:20.285
<00:34:18.105>of <00:34:18.385>like <00:34:18.665>different <00:34:18.945>kind <00:34:19.225>of <00:34:19.505>developers.

814
00:34:20.545 --> 00:34:22.085
<00:34:20.545>And <00:34:20.743>this <00:34:20.941>is <00:34:21.139>kind <00:34:21.337>of <00:34:21.534>the <00:34:21.733>sweet <00:34:21.931>spot.

815
00:34:22.115 --> 00:34:24.445
<00:34:22.114>This <00:34:22.290>is <00:34:22.464>why <00:34:22.639>for <00:34:22.814>me <00:34:22.989>personally, <00:34:23.165>we <00:34:23.339>are <00:34:23.514>developers.

816
00:34:24.445 --> 00:34:26.325
<00:34:24.445>It's <00:34:24.620>the <00:34:24.795>coolest <00:34:24.970>conference <00:34:25.145>that <00:34:25.320>we <00:34:25.495>currently <00:34:25.670>have <00:34:25.845>in

817
00:34:26.325 --> 00:34:29.365
<00:34:26.324>Germany, <00:34:26.500>and <00:34:26.674>I <00:34:26.850>would <00:34:27.024>highly <00:34:27.199>recommend <00:34:27.375>to <00:34:27.549>join <00:34:27.725>everyone.

818
00:34:29.635 --> 00:34:31.765
<00:34:29.635>It's <00:34:29.868>also <00:34:30.101>great <00:34:30.335>that <00:34:30.568>location <00:34:30.801>is <00:34:31.035>basically,

819
00:34:31.765 --> 00:34:32.845
<00:34:31.764>there's <00:34:32.089>nothing <00:34:32.413>around <00:34:32.736>there.

820
00:34:32.945 --> 00:34:35.285
<00:34:32.945>You <00:34:33.145>cannot <00:34:33.345>leave. <00:34:33.545>Like <00:34:33.745>you <00:34:33.945>stay <00:34:34.145>with <00:34:34.345>it,

821
00:34:35.285 --> 00:34:36.565
<00:34:35.284>you <00:34:35.572>stay <00:34:35.860>within <00:34:36.149>the <00:34:36.437>compound

822
00:34:36.585 --> 00:34:39.085
<00:34:36.585>and <00:34:36.712>you <00:34:36.839>have <00:34:36.966>like <00:34:37.094>lots <00:34:37.221>of, <00:34:37.348>there's <00:34:37.475>lots <00:34:37.603>of <00:34:37.730>stuff <00:34:37.857>to <00:34:37.985>do

823
00:34:39.105 --> 00:34:42.285
<00:34:39.105>for <00:34:39.221>the <00:34:39.338>three <00:34:39.455>days, <00:34:39.571>but <00:34:39.688>it's <00:34:39.804>really <00:34:39.921>kind <00:34:40.038>of <00:34:40.155>out <00:34:40.271>of, <00:34:40.388>uh, <00:34:40.505>uh,

824
00:34:42.285 --> 00:34:43.885
<00:34:42.284>especially <00:34:42.634>by <00:34:42.984>car, <00:34:43.335>forget <00:34:43.685>it.

825
00:34:43.885 --> 00:34:45.245
<00:34:43.885>Just <00:34:44.293>use <00:34:44.701>public <00:34:45.109>transport.

826
00:34:45.245 --> 00:34:46.805
<00:34:45.245>There's <00:34:45.594>no <00:34:45.944>way <00:34:46.295>you <00:34:46.645>should,

827
00:34:46.905 --> 00:34:48.325
<00:34:46.905>you <00:34:47.087>should <00:34:47.270>try <00:34:47.452>to <00:34:47.635>get <00:34:47.817>to <00:34:48.000>this <00:34:48.183>area.

828
00:34:48.425 --> 00:34:50.325
<00:34:48.425>And <00:34:48.600>I <00:34:48.775>live <00:34:48.950>close <00:34:49.125>to <00:34:49.300>it, <00:34:49.475>so <00:34:49.650>I <00:34:49.825>know,

829
00:34:50.705 --> 00:34:53.325
<00:34:50.705>but <00:34:50.860>it's, <00:34:51.016>uh, <00:34:51.171>it's <00:34:51.327>interesting <00:34:51.482>to <00:34:51.638>see <00:34:51.793>that <00:34:51.949>people, <00:34:52.105>uh,

830
00:34:53.325 --> 00:34:55.445
<00:34:53.324>that <00:34:53.524>people <00:34:53.725>dig <00:34:53.924>the <00:34:54.125>best <00:34:54.324>out <00:34:54.524>of <00:34:54.725>it.

831
00:34:55.605 --> 00:34:59.205
<00:34:55.605>I <00:34:55.760>found <00:34:55.916>people, <00:34:56.071>uh, <00:34:56.227>doing <00:34:56.382>like <00:34:56.538>life <00:34:56.693>blocks, <00:34:56.849>walking <00:34:57.005>around

832
00:34:59.225 --> 00:35:01.365
<00:34:59.225>and <00:34:59.424>talking <00:34:59.625>to <00:34:59.825>people <00:35:00.025>and <00:35:00.225>interviewing <00:35:00.424>people, <00:35:00.625>just,

833
00:35:01.365 --> 00:35:02.485
<00:35:01.365>they've <00:35:01.616>never <00:35:01.869>done <00:35:02.121>that <00:35:02.373>before.

834
00:35:02.485 --> 00:35:03.805
<00:35:02.485>They <00:35:02.683>were <00:35:02.881>inspired <00:35:03.079>enough <00:35:03.277>to <00:35:03.475>do <00:35:03.673>it

835
00:35:04.265 --> 00:35:05.645
<00:35:04.265>and <00:35:04.471>I <00:35:04.679>found <00:35:04.886>that <00:35:05.093>very, <00:35:05.300>very <00:35:05.507>cool.

836
00:35:06.345 --> 00:35:09.485
<00:35:06.345>Yes. <00:35:06.484>So, <00:35:06.625>um, <00:35:06.765>I <00:35:06.904>also <00:35:07.044>love <00:35:07.185>that <00:35:07.325>the <00:35:07.464>GitHub, <00:35:07.605>uh, <00:35:07.745>uh,

837
00:35:09.545 --> 00:35:10.965
<00:35:09.545>and <00:35:09.971>Microsoft, <00:35:10.397>uh, <00:35:10.823>uh,

838
00:35:11.135 --> 00:35:14.525
<00:35:11.135>booth <00:35:11.290>last <00:35:11.446>year <00:35:11.601>were <00:35:11.757>all <00:35:11.912>about <00:35:12.068>like <00:35:12.223>showing <00:35:12.379>other <00:35:12.535>people's

839
00:35:14.525 --> 00:35:16.405
<00:35:14.525>work, <00:35:14.758>not <00:35:14.991>only <00:35:15.225>showing <00:35:15.458>their <00:35:15.691>own <00:35:15.925>stuff,

840
00:35:16.425 --> 00:35:19.765
<00:35:16.425>but <00:35:16.600>actually <00:35:16.775>having <00:35:16.950>startups <00:35:17.125>that <00:35:17.300>were <00:35:17.475>supported <00:35:17.650>by <00:35:17.825>GitHub

841
00:35:20.065 --> 00:35:22.245
<00:35:20.065>to <00:35:20.220>it <00:35:20.376>gave <00:35:20.531>them <00:35:20.687>a <00:35:20.842>chance <00:35:20.998>to <00:35:21.153>show <00:35:21.309>their <00:35:21.465>products.

842
00:35:22.245 --> 00:35:24.685
<00:35:22.245>And <00:35:22.361>I <00:35:22.478>found <00:35:22.595>that <00:35:22.711>a <00:35:22.828>really <00:35:22.944>cool <00:35:23.061>way <00:35:23.178>of <00:35:23.295>like <00:35:23.411>saying <00:35:23.528>like, <00:35:23.645>Hey,

843
00:35:25.105 --> 00:35:26.565
<00:35:25.105>we <00:35:25.367>are <00:35:25.630>community <00:35:25.893>here <00:35:26.156>as <00:35:26.419>well.

844
00:35:26.635 --> 00:35:28.605
<00:35:26.635>Like, <00:35:26.810>uh, <00:35:26.985>we <00:35:27.160>are <00:35:27.335>not <00:35:27.510>just <00:35:27.685>selling <00:35:27.860>you <00:35:28.035>things

845
00:35:28.625 --> 00:35:30.245
<00:35:28.625>and <00:35:28.800>we <00:35:28.975>want <00:35:29.150>you <00:35:29.325>to <00:35:29.500>buy <00:35:29.675>a <00:35:29.850>laptop <00:35:30.025>here,

846
00:35:30.245 --> 00:35:32.245
<00:35:30.245>because <00:35:30.444>that's <00:35:30.645>not <00:35:30.845>what <00:35:31.045>we <00:35:31.245>are <00:35:31.444>about <00:35:31.645>anymore.

847
00:35:33.045 --> 00:35:34.805
<00:35:33.045>So <00:35:33.220>that <00:35:33.395>was, <00:35:33.570>that <00:35:33.745>was <00:35:33.920>nice <00:35:34.095>to <00:35:34.270>see <00:35:34.445>too.

848
00:35:35.785 --> 00:35:39.685
<00:35:35.785>To <00:35:35.912>be <00:35:36.039>fair, <00:35:36.166>we <00:35:36.294>really <00:35:36.421>missed <00:35:36.548>out <00:35:36.675>on <00:35:36.803>community <00:35:36.930>work <00:35:37.057>in <00:35:37.185>the

849
00:35:39.685 --> 00:35:41.125
<00:35:39.685>last <00:35:40.117>years <00:35:40.549>and, <00:35:40.981>uh,

850
00:35:41.685 --> 00:35:44.125
<00:35:41.685>I <00:35:41.825>have <00:35:41.965>the <00:35:42.105>feeling <00:35:42.245>when <00:35:42.384>we <00:35:42.525>are <00:35:42.665>attending <00:35:42.805>conferences <00:35:42.945>like <00:35:43.085>we

851
00:35:44.125 --> 00:35:45.725
<00:35:44.125>are <00:35:44.358>developers <00:35:44.591>and <00:35:44.825>we <00:35:45.058>are <00:35:45.291>really <00:35:45.525>trying

852
00:35:45.745 --> 00:35:48.645
<00:35:45.745>to <00:35:45.944>show <00:35:46.145>the <00:35:46.345>community, <00:35:46.545>Hey, <00:35:46.745>we <00:35:46.944>really <00:35:47.145>care.

853
00:35:48.755 --> 00:35:50.725
<00:35:48.755>This <00:35:48.955>is <00:35:49.155>something <00:35:49.355>that <00:35:49.555>is <00:35:49.755>actually <00:35:49.955>also <00:35:50.155>very

854
00:35:50.725 --> 00:35:51.885
<00:35:50.725>good <00:35:50.986>for <00:35:51.247>GitHub <00:35:51.508>and <00:35:51.769>Microsoft.

855
00:35:51.945 --> 00:35:53.325
<00:35:51.945>So <00:35:52.152>good <00:35:52.359>job <00:35:52.566>that <00:35:52.773>we <00:35:52.980>are <00:35:53.187>doing.

856
00:35:56.355 --> 00:35:58.285
<00:35:56.355>Okay, <00:35:56.635>well <00:35:56.915>thanks <00:35:57.195>very <00:35:57.475>much <00:35:57.755>Julia.

857
00:35:58.435 --> 00:36:00.125
<00:35:58.435>This <00:35:58.715>was, <00:35:58.995>uh, <00:35:59.275>this <00:35:59.555>was <00:35:59.835>insightful.

858
00:36:00.245 --> 00:36:02.125
<00:36:00.245>I <00:36:00.420>hope <00:36:00.595>people <00:36:00.770>are <00:36:00.944>happy <00:36:01.120>to <00:36:01.295>actually <00:36:01.470>sign <00:36:01.645>up

859
00:36:02.125 --> 00:36:04.525
<00:36:02.125>for <00:36:02.280>your <00:36:02.436>workshop <00:36:02.591>now <00:36:02.747>and, <00:36:02.902>uh, <00:36:03.058>and <00:36:03.213>go <00:36:03.369>from <00:36:03.525>there.

860
00:36:04.985 --> 00:36:07.645
<00:36:04.985>And <00:36:05.140>yeah, <00:36:05.296>I <00:36:05.451>mean, <00:36:05.607>talk <00:36:05.762>to <00:36:05.918>you <00:36:06.073>at <00:36:06.229>the <00:36:06.385>event.

861
00:36:07.765 --> 00:36:09.725
<00:36:07.765>I <00:36:07.920>guess <00:36:08.076>you <00:36:08.231>will <00:36:08.387>be <00:36:08.542>at <00:36:08.698>the <00:36:08.853>Microsoft <00:36:09.009>booth <00:36:09.165>outside

862
00:36:09.725 --> 00:36:13.645
<00:36:09.725>of <00:36:09.900>your <00:36:10.075>workshop <00:36:10.250>hours <00:36:10.424>as <00:36:10.600>well, <00:36:10.775>or <00:36:10.950>you're <00:36:11.125>not

863
00:36:14.155 --> 00:36:15.155
Percent.

864
00:36:15.795 --> 00:36:17.125
<00:36:15.795>Alright, <00:36:16.094>thank <00:36:16.393>you <00:36:16.692>so <00:36:16.992>much.

865
00:36:18.665 --> 00:36:20.525
<00:36:18.665>Any, <00:36:18.865>any <00:36:19.065>last <00:36:19.265>words <00:36:19.465>you <00:36:19.665>have <00:36:19.865>for <00:36:20.065>audience,

866
00:36:20.525 --> 00:36:22.245
<00:36:20.525>something <00:36:20.758>you <00:36:20.991>want <00:36:21.225>people <00:36:21.458>to <00:36:21.691>do <00:36:21.925>today

867
00:36:22.245 --> 00:36:23.725
<00:36:22.245>that <00:36:22.511>they <00:36:22.777>haven't <00:36:23.044>done <00:36:23.310>probably <00:36:23.577>yet?

868
00:36:25.885 --> 00:36:28.965
<00:36:25.885>I <00:36:26.025>said <00:36:26.165>it <00:36:26.305>in <00:36:26.445>another <00:36:26.585>podcast <00:36:26.725>before <00:36:26.865>or <00:36:27.005>in <00:36:27.145>another <00:36:27.285>format

869
00:36:28.965 --> 00:36:31.125
<00:36:28.965>before <00:36:29.165>when <00:36:29.365>you're <00:36:29.565>diving <00:36:29.765>in <00:36:29.965>this <00:36:30.165>whole <00:36:30.365>word

870
00:36:31.145 --> 00:36:35.085
<00:36:31.145>of <00:36:31.261>agent <00:36:31.378>coding, <00:36:31.495>don't <00:36:31.611>wait <00:36:31.728>for <00:36:31.845>a <00:36:31.961>person <00:36:32.078>like <00:36:32.195>me <00:36:32.311>to <00:36:32.428>tell <00:36:32.545>you

871
00:36:35.355 --> 00:36:37.285
<00:36:35.355>what <00:36:35.555>is <00:36:35.755>the <00:36:35.955>right <00:36:36.155>way <00:36:36.355>to <00:36:36.555>get <00:36:36.755>started.

872
00:36:37.795 --> 00:36:41.325
<00:36:37.795>Just <00:36:37.922>get <00:36:38.049>started <00:36:38.176>because <00:36:38.304>there <00:36:38.431>is <00:36:38.558>no <00:36:38.685>right <00:36:38.813>way <00:36:38.940>of <00:36:39.067>doing <00:36:39.195>it.

873
00:36:41.585 --> 00:36:43.965
<00:36:41.585>Uh, <00:36:41.865>it's <00:36:42.145>still <00:36:42.425>an <00:36:42.705>experimental <00:36:42.985>field,

874
00:36:44.245 --> 00:36:45.725
<00:36:44.245>although <00:36:44.511>the <00:36:44.777>salespersons <00:36:45.044>will <00:36:45.310>tell <00:36:45.577>you

875
00:36:45.725 --> 00:36:49.565
<00:36:45.725>otherwise, <00:36:45.865>try <00:36:46.005>a <00:36:46.145>way <00:36:46.285>of <00:36:46.424>working <00:36:46.565>with <00:36:46.705>agen <00:36:46.845>coding <00:36:46.985>that <00:36:47.125>works

876
00:36:49.665 --> 00:36:52.605
<00:36:49.665>for <00:36:49.840>you <00:36:50.015>and <00:36:50.190>it'll <00:36:50.365>probably <00:36:50.540>help <00:36:50.715>and <00:36:50.890>accelerate <00:36:51.065>you.

877
00:36:52.605 --> 00:36:54.365
<00:36:52.605>And <00:36:52.745>it <00:36:52.885>doesn't <00:36:53.025>really <00:36:53.165>matter <00:36:53.305>if <00:36:53.445>it's <00:36:53.585>like <00:36:53.725>in <00:36:53.865>a <00:36:54.005>best

878
00:36:54.645 --> 00:36:55.765
<00:36:54.645>practice <00:36:54.981>repository <00:36:55.317>or <00:36:55.653>not.

879
00:36:56.995 --> 00:37:00.235
<00:36:56.995>Hmm. <00:36:57.122>I <00:36:57.249>like <00:36:57.376>the, <00:36:57.504>I <00:36:57.631>I <00:36:57.758>liked <00:36:57.885>when <00:36:58.013>somebody <00:36:58.140>said <00:36:58.267>like <00:36:58.395>that,

880
00:37:00.335 --> 00:37:03.835
<00:37:00.335>uh, <00:37:00.490>a <00:37:00.646>gen <00:37:00.801>AI <00:37:00.957>and <00:37:01.112>like, <00:37:01.268>uh, <00:37:01.423>uh, <00:37:01.579>code <00:37:01.735>existence.

881
00:37:04.155 --> 00:37:07.115
<00:37:04.155>I <00:37:04.310>like <00:37:04.466>an <00:37:04.621>exoskeleton. <00:37:04.777>They're <00:37:04.932>not <00:37:05.088>like <00:37:05.243>an <00:37:05.399>a <00:37:05.555>replacement

882
00:37:07.115 --> 00:37:09.675
<00:37:07.115>for <00:37:07.348>you, <00:37:07.581>but <00:37:07.814>it's <00:37:08.048>something <00:37:08.281>that <00:37:08.515>enhances

883
00:37:09.705 --> 00:37:10.915
<00:37:09.705>what <00:37:09.977>you <00:37:10.249>do <00:37:10.521>right <00:37:10.794>now.

884
00:37:11.215 --> 00:37:13.315
<00:37:11.215>Yes. <00:37:11.390>And <00:37:11.565>I <00:37:11.740>think <00:37:11.915>that's <00:37:12.090>a <00:37:12.265>very <00:37:12.440>interesting, <00:37:12.615>uh,

885
00:37:13.315 --> 00:37:14.355
<00:37:13.315>way <00:37:13.549>of <00:37:13.783>thinking <00:37:14.017>about <00:37:14.251>it.

886
00:37:14.495 --> 00:37:15.495
<00:37:14.495>So <00:37:15.395>yeah,

887
00:37:16.395 --> 00:37:19.195
<00:37:16.395>I <00:37:16.522>have <00:37:16.649>a <00:37:16.776>feeling <00:37:16.904>when <00:37:17.031>you're <00:37:17.158>not <00:37:17.285>as <00:37:17.413>good <00:37:17.540>as <00:37:17.667>a <00:37:17.795>developer,

888
00:37:19.195 --> 00:37:20.595
<00:37:19.195>that <00:37:19.447>when <00:37:19.699>you <00:37:19.951>are <00:37:20.203>a <00:37:20.455>developer

889
00:37:20.595 --> 00:37:22.395
<00:37:20.595>that <00:37:20.828>can <00:37:21.061>be <00:37:21.294>replaced <00:37:21.528>by <00:37:21.761>an <00:37:21.995>agenda.

890
00:37:22.695 --> 00:37:24.195
<00:37:22.695>Ai, <00:37:22.965>you <00:37:23.235>probably <00:37:23.505>should <00:37:23.775>work <00:37:24.045>on

891
00:37:24.195 --> 00:37:25.515
<00:37:24.195>your <00:37:24.591>software <00:37:24.987>engineering <00:37:25.383>skills.

892
00:37:25.705 --> 00:37:27.155
<00:37:25.705>This <00:37:26.031>is <00:37:26.357>my <00:37:26.683>hot <00:37:27.010>take.

893
00:37:29.095 --> 00:37:32.195
<00:37:29.095>Or <00:37:29.222>find <00:37:29.349>other <00:37:29.476>ways <00:37:29.604>to <00:37:29.731>actually <00:37:29.858>be, <00:37:29.985>uh, <00:37:30.113>uh, <00:37:30.240>find <00:37:30.367>a <00:37:30.495>better,

894
00:37:32.195 --> 00:37:33.235
<00:37:32.195>better <00:37:32.429>place <00:37:32.663>to <00:37:32.897>be <00:37:33.131>happy.

895
00:37:33.435 --> 00:37:35.995
<00:37:33.435>I <00:37:33.634>mean <00:37:33.835>there's <00:37:34.035>management, <00:37:34.235>there's, <00:37:34.435>there's, <00:37:34.634>there's <00:37:34.835>ux,

896
00:37:35.995 --> 00:37:38.715
<00:37:35.995>there's <00:37:36.170>dx <00:37:36.345>which <00:37:36.520>is <00:37:36.694>a <00:37:36.870>big <00:37:37.045>topic <00:37:37.220>right <00:37:37.395>now.

897
00:37:38.855 --> 00:37:41.715
<00:37:38.855>So <00:37:39.055>yeah, <00:37:39.255>there's <00:37:39.455>always <00:37:39.655>spaces <00:37:39.855>to <00:37:40.055>find. <00:37:40.255>Yes.

898
00:37:41.715 --> 00:37:42.715
<00:37:41.715>Well <00:37:41.940>thanks <00:37:42.165>very <00:37:42.390>much <00:37:42.615>Julia.

899
00:37:42.895 --> 00:37:45.515
<00:37:42.895>I'm <00:37:43.022>off <00:37:43.149>to <00:37:43.276>interview <00:37:43.404>the <00:37:43.531>next <00:37:43.658>person, <00:37:43.785>which <00:37:43.913>is <00:37:44.040>gonna <00:37:44.167>be <00:37:44.295>bit

900
00:37:45.515 --> 00:37:47.235
<00:37:45.515>by <00:37:45.714>bit <00:37:45.915>here, <00:37:46.115>so <00:37:46.315>one <00:37:46.515>of <00:37:46.714>the <00:37:46.915>other.

901
00:37:47.895 --> 00:37:49.875
<00:37:47.895>And <00:37:48.095>um, <00:37:48.295>yeah, <00:37:48.495>I <00:37:48.695>see <00:37:48.895>you <00:37:49.095>in <00:37:49.295>July

902
00:37:50.015 --> 00:37:52.595
<00:37:50.015>and, <00:37:50.214>uh, <00:37:50.415>enjoy <00:37:50.615>the <00:37:50.815>nice <00:37:51.015>weather <00:37:51.214>in <00:37:51.415>Cologne.

903
00:37:52.715 --> 00:37:54.635
<00:37:52.715>I <00:37:52.870>to <00:37:53.026>enjoy <00:37:53.181>the <00:37:53.337>nice <00:37:53.492>weather <00:37:53.648>here <00:37:53.803>in <00:37:53.959>Berlin <00:37:54.115>later.

904
00:37:55.085 --> 00:37:58.635
<00:37:55.085>Thank <00:37:55.260>you <00:37:55.435>Chris. <00:37:55.610>Take <00:37:55.785>care. <00:37:55.960>Bye-bye. <00:37:56.135>See <00:37:56.310>ya, <00:37:56.485>bye-bye.