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386
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<00:17:03.255>that <00:17:03.382>when <00:17:03.509>we <00:17:03.636>knew <00:17:03.764>that <00:17:03.891>there <00:17:04.018>was <00:17:04.145>a <00:17:04.273>new <00:17:04.400>TV <00:17:04.527>ad <00:17:04.655>coming

387
00:17:06.165 --> 00:17:08.545
<00:17:06.165>and <00:17:06.320>we <00:17:06.476>didn't <00:17:06.631>know <00:17:06.787>how <00:17:06.942>much <00:17:07.098>traction <00:17:07.253>it <00:17:07.409>would <00:17:07.565>get,

388
00:17:09.005 --> 00:17:11.625
<00:17:09.005>we <00:17:09.180>could <00:17:09.355>just <00:17:09.530>rely <00:17:09.705>on <00:17:09.880>actually <00:17:10.055>on <00:17:10.230>the <00:17:10.405>auto-scaling

389
00:17:11.625 --> 00:17:13.545
<00:17:11.625>and <00:17:11.825>not <00:17:12.025>have <00:17:12.224>to <00:17:12.425>do <00:17:12.625>anything, <00:17:12.825>uh, <00:17:13.025>manually.

390
00:17:15.295 --> 00:17:19.465
<00:17:15.295>Last <00:17:15.528>point, <00:17:15.761>don't <00:17:15.995>think <00:17:16.228>about <00:17:16.461>cost <00:17:16.695>reduction.

391
00:17:19.785 --> 00:17:22.225
<00:17:19.785>I <00:17:19.940>always <00:17:20.096>would <00:17:20.251>do <00:17:20.407>everything <00:17:20.562>I <00:17:20.718>can <00:17:20.873>to <00:17:21.029>make <00:17:21.185>sure

392
00:17:22.225 --> 00:17:24.585
<00:17:22.224>that <00:17:22.399>it <00:17:22.574>is <00:17:22.750>not <00:17:22.925>seen <00:17:23.099>as <00:17:23.274>a <00:17:23.449>cost <00:17:23.625>factor.

393
00:17:25.165 --> 00:17:29.185
<00:17:25.165>It <00:17:25.339>is <00:17:25.514>seen <00:17:25.690>as <00:17:25.865>a <00:17:26.040>benefit, <00:17:26.214>is <00:17:26.389>an <00:17:26.565>advantage

394
00:17:29.325 --> 00:17:30.585
<00:17:29.325>and <00:17:29.551>it's <00:17:29.778>not <00:17:30.005>a <00:17:30.232>cost <00:17:30.459>factor.

395
00:17:30.725 --> 00:17:33.705
<00:17:30.725>So <00:17:30.880>once <00:17:31.036>my <00:17:31.191>person <00:17:31.347>said, <00:17:31.502>oh <00:17:31.658>hey, <00:17:31.813>we <00:17:31.969>we <00:17:32.125>moved

396
00:17:33.705 --> 00:17:36.585
<00:17:33.705>to <00:17:33.845>the <00:17:33.985>mic <00:17:34.125>from <00:17:34.264>from <00:17:34.405>the <00:17:34.544>data <00:17:34.685>center <00:17:34.824>to <00:17:34.965>the <00:17:35.105>cloud

397
00:17:36.645 --> 00:17:38.985
<00:17:36.645>and <00:17:36.820>we'll <00:17:36.995>save <00:17:37.170>like <00:17:37.345>20% <00:17:37.520>of <00:17:37.695>cost, <00:17:37.870>they <00:17:38.045>said,

398
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<00:17:39.595>don't <00:17:39.976>say <00:17:40.357>that <00:17:40.738>first.

399
00:17:40.985 --> 00:17:44.965
<00:17:40.985>I <00:17:41.140>don't <00:17:41.296>believe <00:17:41.451>it. <00:17:41.607>Because <00:17:41.762>things <00:17:41.918>will <00:17:42.073>always <00:17:42.229>be <00:17:42.385>more

400
00:17:44.965 --> 00:17:46.685
<00:17:44.965>expensive <00:17:45.165>than <00:17:45.365>you <00:17:45.564>expect <00:17:45.764>them <00:17:45.965>in <00:17:46.165>the <00:17:46.365>beginning

401
00:17:47.065 --> 00:17:49.365
<00:17:47.065>and <00:17:47.205>you <00:17:47.345>will <00:17:47.485>find <00:17:47.625>new <00:17:47.765>features <00:17:47.905>that <00:17:48.045>you <00:17:48.185>want <00:17:48.325>to <00:17:48.465>use.

402
00:17:49.785 --> 00:17:52.245
<00:17:49.785>And <00:17:49.940>secondly, <00:17:50.096>this <00:17:50.251>should <00:17:50.407>not <00:17:50.562>be <00:17:50.718>the <00:17:50.873>reason <00:17:51.029>to <00:17:51.185>migrate.

403
00:17:52.265 --> 00:17:54.125
<00:17:52.265>The <00:17:52.498>reason <00:17:52.731>should <00:17:52.965>be <00:17:53.198>fast <00:17:53.431>release <00:17:53.665>cycles,

404
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<00:17:54.125>testing <00:17:54.591>capabilities, <00:17:55.058>peak <00:17:55.525>requests,

405
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<00:17:56.265>making <00:17:56.465>the <00:17:56.665>developers <00:17:56.865>more <00:17:57.065>efficient <00:17:57.265>should <00:17:57.465>not <00:17:57.665>be

406
00:17:59.205 --> 00:18:00.605
<00:17:59.205>that <00:17:59.520>we <00:17:59.835>reduce <00:18:00.150>any <00:18:00.465>costs.

407
00:18:01.385 --> 00:18:03.565
<00:18:01.385>Um, <00:18:01.525>and <00:18:01.665>this <00:18:01.805>is <00:18:01.945>what <00:18:02.085>we <00:18:02.225>did <00:18:02.365>actually <00:18:02.504>in <00:18:02.645>the <00:18:02.785>end.

408
00:18:03.685 --> 00:18:07.405
<00:18:03.685>I <00:18:03.812>think <00:18:03.939>we <00:18:04.066>were <00:18:04.194>about <00:18:04.321>the <00:18:04.448>same <00:18:04.575>cost-wise, <00:18:04.703>but <00:18:04.830>it <00:18:04.957>was <00:18:05.085>hard

409
00:18:07.405 --> 00:18:09.565
<00:18:07.405>because <00:18:07.560>we <00:18:07.716>also <00:18:07.871>scaled <00:18:08.027>up <00:18:08.182>our <00:18:08.338>infrastructure <00:18:08.493>quite <00:18:08.649>a <00:18:08.805>bit,

410
00:18:10.345 --> 00:18:11.565
<00:18:10.345>create <00:18:10.619>freedom <00:18:10.894>for <00:18:11.168>the <00:18:11.443>teams.

411
00:18:11.565 --> 00:18:13.325
<00:18:11.565>That <00:18:11.915>was <00:18:12.265>important <00:18:12.615>for <00:18:12.965>me.

412
00:18:13.325 --> 00:18:15.925
<00:18:13.325>So <00:18:13.465>I <00:18:13.605>was <00:18:13.745>saying, <00:18:13.885>Hey, <00:18:14.025>we've <00:18:14.165>got <00:18:14.305>three <00:18:14.445>months <00:18:14.585>I <00:18:14.725>want

413
00:18:15.925 --> 00:18:16.925
<00:18:15.925>to <00:18:16.375>be <00:18:16.825>migrated.

414
00:18:20.265 --> 00:18:21.365
<00:18:20.265>And <00:18:20.430>then <00:18:20.595>I <00:18:20.760>took <00:18:20.925>a <00:18:21.090>step <00:18:21.255>back

415
00:18:21.505 --> 00:18:25.045
<00:18:21.505>and <00:18:21.680>said, <00:18:21.855>okay <00:18:22.030>team, <00:18:22.205>now <00:18:22.380>you've <00:18:22.555>got <00:18:22.730>full <00:18:22.905>freedom.

416
00:18:25.825 --> 00:18:28.805
<00:18:25.825>You <00:18:26.000>got <00:18:26.175>basically <00:18:26.350>my <00:18:26.525>direct <00:18:26.700>order <00:18:26.875>that <00:18:27.050>this <00:18:27.225>is

417
00:18:29.435 --> 00:18:33.075
<00:18:29.435>amongst <00:18:29.590>the <00:18:29.746>highest <00:18:29.901>priority <00:18:30.057>topics, <00:18:30.212>how <00:18:30.368>you <00:18:30.523>deal <00:18:30.679>with <00:18:30.835>that.

418
00:18:33.105 --> 00:18:34.635
<00:18:33.105>It's <00:18:33.380>your <00:18:33.655>team, <00:18:33.931>it's <00:18:34.206>your <00:18:34.482>thing.

419
00:18:35.255 --> 00:18:37.875
<00:18:35.255>So <00:18:35.535>the <00:18:35.815>teams <00:18:36.095>actually <00:18:36.375>could <00:18:36.655>decide

420
00:18:38.295 --> 00:18:39.395
<00:18:38.295>how <00:18:38.493>they <00:18:38.691>want <00:18:38.889>to <00:18:39.087>spend <00:18:39.285>this.

421
00:18:39.395 --> 00:18:41.395
<00:18:39.395>And <00:18:39.628>they <00:18:39.861>said, <00:18:40.095>okay, <00:18:40.328>let's <00:18:40.561>start <00:18:40.795>migrating

422
00:18:41.935 --> 00:18:43.195
<00:18:41.935>the <00:18:42.312>easy <00:18:42.691>stuff <00:18:43.069>first.

423
00:18:43.405 --> 00:18:45.755
<00:18:43.405>Let's <00:18:43.605>start <00:18:43.805>spending <00:18:44.004>some <00:18:44.205>time <00:18:44.405>in <00:18:44.605>the <00:18:44.805>beginning

424
00:18:45.815 --> 00:18:47.155
<00:18:45.815>to <00:18:46.217>think <00:18:46.619>about <00:18:47.021>automation.

425
00:18:47.695 --> 00:18:49.035
<00:18:47.695>And <00:18:48.097>after <00:18:48.499>every <00:18:48.901>migration,

426
00:18:49.035 --> 00:18:51.715
<00:18:49.035>even <00:18:49.190>if <00:18:49.346>it's <00:18:49.501>easy <00:18:49.657>in <00:18:49.812>the <00:18:49.968>beginning, <00:18:50.123>let's <00:18:50.279>think <00:18:50.435>about

427
00:18:51.715 --> 00:18:53.835
<00:18:51.715>what <00:18:51.870>we <00:18:52.026>learned <00:18:52.181>and <00:18:52.337>how <00:18:52.492>we <00:18:52.648>can <00:18:52.803>improve <00:18:52.959>their <00:18:53.115>migration.

428
00:18:54.375 --> 00:18:56.195
<00:18:54.375>So <00:18:54.575>going <00:18:54.775>forward <00:18:54.975>we <00:18:55.175>can <00:18:55.375>do <00:18:55.575>this <00:18:55.775>better.

429
00:18:56.495 --> 00:18:57.715
<00:18:56.495>And <00:18:56.678>they <00:18:56.860>also <00:18:57.043>said, <00:18:57.226>let's <00:18:57.409>make <00:18:57.592>sure

430
00:18:57.715 --> 00:18:59.275
<00:18:57.715>that <00:18:57.915>in <00:18:58.115>the <00:18:58.314>beginning <00:18:58.514>we <00:18:58.715>take <00:18:58.915>enough <00:18:59.115>time

431
00:18:59.575 --> 00:19:01.195
<00:18:59.575>to <00:18:59.808>set <00:19:00.041>this <00:19:00.275>up <00:19:00.508>the <00:19:00.741>right <00:19:00.975>way.

432
00:19:01.455 --> 00:19:03.195
<00:19:01.455>And <00:19:01.629>we <00:19:01.804>had <00:19:01.980>a <00:19:02.155>discussion <00:19:02.330>beginning <00:19:02.504>they <00:19:02.679>said, <00:19:02.855>Hey,

433
00:19:03.995 --> 00:19:05.035
<00:19:03.995>probably <00:19:04.307>we'll <00:19:04.619>lose <00:19:04.931>two

434
00:19:05.035 --> 00:19:08.235
<00:19:05.035>or <00:19:05.190>three <00:19:05.346>weeks <00:19:05.501>in <00:19:05.657>the <00:19:05.812>process <00:19:05.968>to <00:19:06.123>set <00:19:06.279>everything <00:19:06.435>up.

435
00:19:08.895 --> 00:19:13.695
<00:19:08.895>Um, <00:19:09.011>but <00:19:09.128>I <00:19:09.245>told <00:19:09.361>them, <00:19:09.478>I <00:19:09.595>don't <00:19:09.711>care. <00:19:09.828>Yes, <00:19:09.945>I <00:19:10.061>said <00:19:10.178>three <00:19:10.295>months.

436
00:19:13.795 --> 00:19:16.215
<00:19:13.795>But <00:19:13.911>as <00:19:14.028>I <00:19:14.145>said, <00:19:14.261>if <00:19:14.378>it's <00:19:14.495>four <00:19:14.611>months, <00:19:14.728>I <00:19:14.845>don't <00:19:14.961>care <00:19:15.078>too <00:19:15.195>much.

437
00:19:16.455 --> 00:19:18.655
<00:19:16.455>I <00:19:16.562>want <00:19:16.670>to <00:19:16.778>make <00:19:16.885>sure <00:19:16.993>we <00:19:17.101>set <00:19:17.208>the <00:19:17.316>things <00:19:17.424>up <00:19:17.531>in <00:19:17.639>the <00:19:17.747>right <00:19:17.855>way,

438
00:19:18.845 --> 00:19:20.895
<00:19:18.845>doesn't <00:19:19.045>help <00:19:19.245>us <00:19:19.445>if <00:19:19.645>we <00:19:19.845>migrate <00:19:20.045>now <00:19:20.245>instead

439
00:19:20.895 --> 00:19:22.495
<00:19:20.895>of <00:19:21.095>three <00:19:21.295>months <00:19:21.495>in <00:19:21.695>two <00:19:21.895>and <00:19:22.095>a <00:19:22.295>half

440
00:19:23.035 --> 00:19:25.295
<00:19:23.035>and <00:19:23.190>afterwards <00:19:23.346>you <00:19:23.501>need <00:19:23.657>two <00:19:23.812>months <00:19:23.968>just <00:19:24.123>to <00:19:24.279>clean <00:19:24.435>up.

441
00:19:25.715 --> 00:19:28.175
<00:19:25.715>So <00:19:25.842>make <00:19:25.969>sure <00:19:26.096>you <00:19:26.224>set <00:19:26.351>it <00:19:26.478>up, <00:19:26.605>uh, <00:19:26.733>in <00:19:26.860>the <00:19:26.987>right <00:19:27.115>way

442
00:19:30.355 --> 00:19:31.895
<00:19:30.355>and <00:19:30.701>then <00:19:31.048>making <00:19:31.394>progress <00:19:31.741>visible.

443
00:19:32.005 --> 00:19:33.015
<00:19:32.005>This <00:19:32.308>is <00:19:32.611>very <00:19:32.914>important.

444
00:19:33.135 --> 00:19:34.975
<00:19:33.135>I <00:19:33.368>would <00:19:33.601>encourage <00:19:33.835>everybody <00:19:34.068>to <00:19:34.301>do <00:19:34.535>this.

445
00:19:35.075 --> 00:19:37.095
<00:19:35.075>So <00:19:35.541>this <00:19:36.008>was <00:19:36.475>2019

446
00:19:37.195 --> 00:19:39.815
<00:19:37.195>and <00:19:37.335>this <00:19:37.475>was <00:19:37.615>a <00:19:37.754>time <00:19:37.895>where <00:19:38.034>everybody <00:19:38.175>was <00:19:38.314>in <00:19:38.455>the <00:19:38.595>office

447
00:19:40.355 --> 00:19:42.495
<00:19:40.355>and <00:19:40.530>we <00:19:40.705>had <00:19:40.880>these <00:19:41.055>huge <00:19:41.230>screens <00:19:41.405>in <00:19:41.580>the <00:19:41.755>office

448
00:19:42.555 --> 00:19:46.535
<00:19:42.555>and <00:19:42.695>actually <00:19:42.835>we <00:19:42.975>put <00:19:43.115>a <00:19:43.255>burndown <00:19:43.395>chart, <00:19:43.535>uh, <00:19:43.675>on <00:19:43.815>those <00:19:43.955>screens.

449
00:19:46.755 --> 00:19:48.095
<00:19:46.755>And <00:19:46.956>there <00:19:47.157>were <00:19:47.358>two <00:19:47.559>numbers <00:19:47.760>on <00:19:47.961>it,

450
00:19:48.115 --> 00:19:49.335
<00:19:48.115>as <00:19:48.298>you <00:19:48.481>can <00:19:48.664>see <00:19:48.847>in <00:19:49.030>the <00:19:49.213>chart.

451
00:19:49.395 --> 00:19:51.335
<00:19:49.395>We <00:19:49.628>had <00:19:49.861>one, <00:19:50.095>there <00:19:50.328>was <00:19:50.561>the <00:19:50.795>numbers

452
00:19:51.355 --> 00:19:54.015
<00:19:51.355>of <00:19:51.555>applications <00:19:51.755>still <00:19:51.955>running <00:19:52.155>in <00:19:52.355>the <00:19:52.555>data <00:19:52.755>center

453
00:19:54.475 --> 00:19:56.735
<00:19:54.475>and <00:19:54.649>the <00:19:54.824>number <00:19:55.000>of <00:19:55.175>servers <00:19:55.350>that <00:19:55.524>were <00:19:55.699>still <00:19:55.875>running.

454
00:19:57.085 --> 00:20:00.295
<00:19:57.085>Obviously <00:19:57.260>we <00:19:57.435>had, <00:19:57.610>we <00:19:57.785>had <00:19:57.960>an <00:19:58.135>over <00:19:58.310>subscription <00:19:58.485>model

455
00:20:00.295 --> 00:20:02.735
<00:20:00.295>where <00:20:00.495>not <00:20:00.695>every <00:20:00.895>application <00:20:01.095>was <00:20:01.295>running <00:20:01.495>on <00:20:01.695>their

456
00:20:02.735 --> 00:20:03.815
<00:20:02.735>own <00:20:02.929>server <00:20:03.123>and <00:20:03.318>stuff <00:20:03.512>like <00:20:03.707>that.

457
00:20:04.315 --> 00:20:05.975
<00:20:04.315>Uh, <00:20:04.490>but <00:20:04.665>you <00:20:04.840>could <00:20:05.015>actually <00:20:05.190>see <00:20:05.365>how <00:20:05.540>this <00:20:05.715>works.

458
00:20:06.075 --> 00:20:09.435
<00:20:06.075>And <00:20:06.425>interestingly <00:20:06.775>enough, <00:20:07.125>you <00:20:07.475>could

459
00:20:10.005 --> 00:20:11.155
<00:20:10.005>would <00:20:10.350>also <00:20:10.695>have <00:20:11.040>discussions.

460
00:20:11.155 --> 00:20:13.155
<00:20:11.155>So <00:20:11.355>I, <00:20:11.555>I <00:20:11.754>remember <00:20:11.955>one <00:20:12.155>discussion <00:20:12.355>we <00:20:12.555>had,

461
00:20:13.155 --> 00:20:16.635
<00:20:13.155>there <00:20:13.295>was <00:20:13.435>a <00:20:13.575>developer <00:20:13.715>was <00:20:13.855>just <00:20:13.995>looking <00:20:14.135>at <00:20:14.274>the <00:20:14.415>screen, <00:20:14.555>um,

462
00:20:16.735 --> 00:20:18.755
<00:20:16.735>and <00:20:16.890>it <00:20:17.046>was <00:20:17.201>somewhere <00:20:17.357>where <00:20:17.512>we <00:20:17.668>were <00:20:17.823>in <00:20:17.979>the <00:20:18.135>middle

463
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<00:20:18.755>where <00:20:19.105>there <00:20:19.455>was <00:20:19.805>nothing <00:20:20.155>happening

464
00:20:20.695 --> 00:20:23.115
<00:20:20.695>and <00:20:20.802>it <00:20:20.910>was <00:20:21.018>go <00:20:21.125>to <00:20:21.233>the <00:20:21.341>ops, <00:20:21.448>it <00:20:21.556>was <00:20:21.664>going <00:20:21.771>to <00:20:21.879>the <00:20:21.987>ops <00:20:22.095>guy

465
00:20:23.115 --> 00:20:26.275
<00:20:23.115>and <00:20:23.255>said, <00:20:23.395>Hey, <00:20:23.535>why <00:20:23.675>are <00:20:23.815>we <00:20:23.955>not <00:20:24.095>making <00:20:24.235>any <00:20:24.375>progress <00:20:24.515>here?

466
00:20:26.275 --> 00:20:28.915
<00:20:26.275>What's <00:20:26.450>the <00:20:26.625>problem? <00:20:26.800>And <00:20:26.975>out <00:20:27.150>of <00:20:27.325>that, <00:20:27.500>actually <00:20:27.675>there,

467
00:20:29.085 --> 00:20:30.395
<00:20:29.085>there <00:20:29.379>came <00:20:29.674>up <00:20:29.969>a <00:20:30.264>discussion

468
00:20:30.395 --> 00:20:32.435
<00:20:30.395>and <00:20:30.628>actually <00:20:30.861>the <00:20:31.095>developer <00:20:31.328>found <00:20:31.561>a <00:20:31.795>way

469
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<00:20:32.435>to <00:20:32.610>actually <00:20:32.784>help <00:20:32.960>the <00:20:33.135>ops <00:20:33.310>team <00:20:33.485>to <00:20:33.659>progress <00:20:33.835>further.

470
00:20:35.965 --> 00:20:37.785
<00:20:35.965>And <00:20:36.245>what <00:20:36.524>we <00:20:36.804>can <00:20:37.084>also <00:20:37.365>see

471
00:20:38.075 --> 00:20:40.985
<00:20:38.075>where <00:20:38.275>the <00:20:38.475>migration <00:20:38.675>was <00:20:38.875>done <00:20:39.075>basically <00:20:39.275>in <00:20:39.475>phases.

472
00:20:41.055 --> 00:20:43.185
<00:20:41.055>This <00:20:41.210>was <00:20:41.366>due <00:20:41.521>to <00:20:41.677>the <00:20:41.832>fact <00:20:41.988>that <00:20:42.143>we <00:20:42.299>were <00:20:42.455>automating.

473
00:20:43.185 --> 00:20:46.065
<00:20:43.185>So <00:20:43.360>we <00:20:43.534>started <00:20:43.710>with <00:20:43.885>stuff <00:20:44.060>then <00:20:44.235>we <00:20:44.409>all <00:20:44.585>automated,

474
00:20:46.375 --> 00:20:50.365
<00:20:46.375>then <00:20:46.530>we <00:20:46.686>could <00:20:46.841>automatically <00:20:46.997>migrate <00:20:47.152>a <00:20:47.308>couple <00:20:47.463>of <00:20:47.619>apps, <00:20:47.775>then

475
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<00:20:50.905>we <00:20:51.295>would <00:20:51.685>get <00:20:52.074>stuck.

476
00:20:52.505 --> 00:20:54.485
<00:20:52.505>One <00:20:52.738>example <00:20:52.971>is <00:20:53.205>the <00:20:53.438>latency <00:20:53.671>between <00:20:53.905>apps

477
00:20:54.505 --> 00:20:55.965
<00:20:54.505>and <00:20:54.833>databases <00:20:55.162>getting <00:20:55.490>too <00:20:55.819>high.

478
00:20:55.985 --> 00:20:58.365
<00:20:55.985>So <00:20:56.140>the <00:20:56.296>database <00:20:56.451>was <00:20:56.607>the <00:20:56.762>last <00:20:56.918>thing <00:20:57.073>that <00:20:57.229>we <00:20:57.385>migrated

479
00:20:59.865 --> 00:21:02.765
<00:20:59.865>and <00:21:00.040>they <00:21:00.215>said, <00:21:00.390>okay, <00:21:00.565>we <00:21:00.740>cannot <00:21:00.915>not, <00:21:01.090>not <00:21:01.265>not

480
00:21:03.715 --> 00:21:05.845
<00:21:03.715>migrate <00:21:03.948>anymore, <00:21:04.181>but <00:21:04.415>we <00:21:04.648>think <00:21:04.881>about <00:21:05.115>this.

481
00:21:05.945 --> 00:21:07.765
<00:21:05.945>And <00:21:06.145>they <00:21:06.345>thought <00:21:06.544>about <00:21:06.745>how <00:21:06.945>to <00:21:07.145>migrate <00:21:07.345>the

482
00:21:08.285 --> 00:21:10.245
<00:21:08.285>database <00:21:08.635>stepwise <00:21:08.985>and <00:21:09.335>other <00:21:09.685>stuff.

483
00:21:10.465 --> 00:21:13.325
<00:21:10.465>But <00:21:10.639>since <00:21:10.814>they've <00:21:10.990>automated <00:21:11.165>stuff, <00:21:11.340>uh, <00:21:11.514>quite <00:21:11.689>a <00:21:11.865>lot

484
00:21:13.815 --> 00:21:15.525
<00:21:13.815>after <00:21:14.165>they <00:21:14.515>solved <00:21:14.865>that <00:21:15.215>problem,

485
00:21:15.525 --> 00:21:19.005
<00:21:15.525>basically <00:21:15.680>they <00:21:15.836>could <00:21:15.991>migrate <00:21:16.147>all <00:21:16.302>of <00:21:16.458>the <00:21:16.613>apps <00:21:16.769>that <00:21:16.925>had,

486
00:21:19.005 --> 00:21:21.765
<00:21:19.005>that <00:21:19.160>were <00:21:19.316>part <00:21:19.471>of <00:21:19.627>the <00:21:19.782>same <00:21:19.938>problem <00:21:20.093>class <00:21:20.249>automatically <00:21:20.405>in

487
00:21:21.765 --> 00:21:22.925
<00:21:21.765>very <00:21:22.287>quick <00:21:22.809>succession.

488
00:21:23.275 --> 00:21:24.845
<00:21:23.275>Next <00:21:23.508>year <00:21:23.741>was <00:21:23.975>part <00:21:24.208>of, <00:21:24.441>of <00:21:24.675>that.

489
00:21:25.305 --> 00:21:27.525
<00:21:25.305>At <00:21:25.432>one <00:21:25.559>point <00:21:25.686>in <00:21:25.814>time <00:21:25.941>one <00:21:26.068>of <00:21:26.195>the <00:21:26.323>ops <00:21:26.450>guys <00:21:26.577>said, <00:21:26.705>anybody

490
00:21:27.525 --> 00:21:29.285
<00:21:27.525>who <00:21:27.725>wants <00:21:27.925>to <00:21:28.125>migrate <00:21:28.325>come <00:21:28.525>to <00:21:28.725>my <00:21:28.925>desk.

491
00:21:30.105 --> 00:21:31.925
<00:21:30.105>And <00:21:30.280>then <00:21:30.455>I <00:21:30.630>could <00:21:30.805>would <00:21:30.980>come <00:21:31.155>to <00:21:31.330>his <00:21:31.505>desk

492
00:21:31.945 --> 00:21:34.205
<00:21:31.945>and <00:21:32.085>he <00:21:32.225>said, <00:21:32.365>okay, <00:21:32.504>now <00:21:32.645>you <00:21:32.784>can <00:21:32.925>in <00:21:33.064>type <00:21:33.205>the <00:21:33.345>whatever,

493
00:21:34.205 --> 00:21:36.725
<00:21:34.205>five <00:21:34.405>commands <00:21:34.605>that <00:21:34.804>are <00:21:35.004>required <00:21:35.205>to <00:21:35.405>migrate <00:21:35.605>something.

494
00:21:36.785 --> 00:21:38.445
<00:21:36.785>So <00:21:37.065>I <00:21:37.345>was <00:21:37.625>actually <00:21:37.905>not <00:21:38.185>typing

495
00:21:38.505 --> 00:21:40.205
<00:21:38.505>but <00:21:38.738>what's <00:21:38.971>just <00:21:39.205>sitting <00:21:39.438>next <00:21:39.671>to <00:21:39.905>him.

496
00:21:40.225 --> 00:21:42.765
<00:21:40.225>And <00:21:40.458>then <00:21:40.691>he <00:21:40.925>was <00:21:41.158>migrating <00:21:41.391>for <00:21:41.625>thing

497
00:21:42.865 --> 00:21:44.725
<00:21:42.865>for <00:21:43.145>applications <00:21:43.425>at <00:21:43.705>the <00:21:43.985>same <00:21:44.265>time.

498
00:21:44.745 --> 00:21:47.325
<00:21:44.745>And <00:21:44.900>I <00:21:45.056>was <00:21:45.211>just <00:21:45.367>watching <00:21:45.522>thinking <00:21:45.678>about <00:21:45.833>this <00:21:45.989>was <00:21:46.145>good.

499
00:21:50.305 --> 00:21:52.645
<00:21:50.305>So, <00:21:50.480>and <00:21:50.655>then <00:21:50.830>there <00:21:51.005>was <00:21:51.180>the, <00:21:51.355>the <00:21:51.530>migration <00:21:51.705>weekend,

500
00:21:52.745 --> 00:21:55.845
<00:21:52.745>the <00:21:52.919>big <00:21:53.094>weekend, <00:21:53.270>you <00:21:53.445>remember <00:21:53.620>the <00:21:53.794>big <00:21:53.969>database <00:21:54.145>was

501
00:21:55.865 --> 00:21:58.085
<00:21:55.865>to <00:21:56.145>be <00:21:56.425>migrated <00:21:56.705>the <00:21:56.985>database <00:21:57.265>that

502
00:21:59.045 --> 00:22:02.005
<00:21:59.045>actually <00:21:59.245>started <00:21:59.445>this <00:21:59.645>all <00:21:59.845>beginning <00:22:00.045>of <00:22:00.245>the <00:22:00.445>year

503
00:22:02.005 --> 00:22:04.005
<00:22:02.005>and <00:22:02.160>that <00:22:02.316>actually <00:22:02.471>brought <00:22:02.627>the <00:22:02.782>system <00:22:02.938>down <00:22:03.093>like <00:22:03.249>three <00:22:03.405>years

504
00:22:04.025 --> 00:22:06.165
<00:22:04.025>ago <00:22:04.305>during <00:22:04.585>the <00:22:04.865>last <00:22:05.145>failed <00:22:05.425>migration.

505
00:22:06.705 --> 00:22:10.205
<00:22:06.705>So <00:22:06.845>you <00:22:06.985>can <00:22:07.125>understand <00:22:07.264>that <00:22:07.405>I <00:22:07.544>was <00:22:07.685>very <00:22:07.824>nervous <00:22:07.965>about <00:22:08.105>this.

506
00:22:10.705 --> 00:22:12.245
<00:22:10.705>So <00:22:10.878>we <00:22:11.051>said, <00:22:11.224>okay, <00:22:11.398>how <00:22:11.571>do <00:22:11.744>we <00:22:11.917>do <00:22:12.091>this?

507
00:22:12.365 --> 00:22:14.805
<00:22:12.365>I <00:22:12.540>said, <00:22:12.715>first <00:22:12.890>I <00:22:13.065>want <00:22:13.240>have <00:22:13.415>clear <00:22:13.590>communication <00:22:13.765>channels.

508
00:22:14.805 --> 00:22:16.765
<00:22:14.805>So <00:22:14.960>we <00:22:15.116>had <00:22:15.271>a <00:22:15.427>slack <00:22:15.582>channel <00:22:15.738>where <00:22:15.893>everything <00:22:16.049>was <00:22:16.205>happening.

509
00:22:17.095 --> 00:22:21.485
<00:22:17.095>There <00:22:17.250>was <00:22:17.406>a <00:22:17.561>video <00:22:17.717>hangout <00:22:17.872>room <00:22:18.028>for <00:22:18.183>if <00:22:18.339>for <00:22:18.495>emergencies.

510
00:22:22.105 --> 00:22:23.445
<00:22:22.105>And <00:22:22.346>we <00:22:22.587>had <00:22:22.828>a <00:22:23.069>clear <00:22:23.311>definition

511
00:22:23.445 --> 00:22:25.205
<00:22:23.445>what <00:22:23.725>would <00:22:24.004>be <00:22:24.284>communicated <00:22:24.564>by <00:22:24.845>one.

512
00:22:25.905 --> 00:22:27.925
<00:22:25.905>Um, <00:22:26.138>another <00:22:26.371>thing <00:22:26.605>that <00:22:26.838>we <00:22:27.071>did, <00:22:27.305>we,

513
00:22:28.125 --> 00:22:31.845
<00:22:28.125>I <00:22:28.265>said <00:22:28.405>let's <00:22:28.545>keep <00:22:28.685>one <00:22:28.825>person <00:22:28.965>in <00:22:29.105>reserve <00:22:29.245>as <00:22:29.385>a, <00:22:29.525>if,

514
00:22:31.945 --> 00:22:34.565
<00:22:31.945>if <00:22:32.100>something <00:22:32.256>comes <00:22:32.411>up <00:22:32.567>we <00:22:32.722>don't <00:22:32.878>need <00:22:33.033>to <00:22:33.189>redistribute <00:22:33.345>people.

515
00:22:35.025 --> 00:22:36.605
<00:22:35.025>And <00:22:35.200>this <00:22:35.375>is <00:22:35.550>something <00:22:35.725>that <00:22:35.900>I <00:22:36.075>learned <00:22:36.250>actually <00:22:36.425>another

516
00:22:36.875 --> 00:22:38.805
<00:22:36.875>project <00:22:37.225>where, <00:22:37.575>where <00:22:37.925>actually <00:22:38.275>one

517
00:22:38.885 --> 00:22:42.605
<00:22:38.885>of <00:22:39.012>my <00:22:39.139>most <00:22:39.266>senior <00:22:39.394>guys <00:22:39.521>didn't <00:22:39.648>have <00:22:39.775>a <00:22:39.903>role <00:22:40.030>other <00:22:40.157>than <00:22:40.285>sitting

518
00:22:42.605 --> 00:22:44.805
<00:22:42.605>around <00:22:42.805>and <00:22:43.005>waiting <00:22:43.205>for <00:22:43.405>something <00:22:43.605>to <00:22:43.805>come <00:22:44.005>up

519
00:22:44.805 --> 00:22:45.845
<00:22:44.805>that <00:22:45.273>was <00:22:45.741>unforeseen

520
00:22:46.105 --> 00:22:47.925
<00:22:46.105>and <00:22:46.305>then <00:22:46.505>you <00:22:46.705>have <00:22:46.905>somebody <00:22:47.105>picking <00:22:47.305>it <00:22:47.505>up.

521
00:22:48.505 --> 00:22:50.405
<00:22:48.505>And <00:22:48.785>that <00:22:49.065>was <00:22:49.345>actually <00:22:49.625>quite <00:22:49.905>good

522
00:22:50.425 --> 00:22:52.725
<00:22:50.425>to <00:22:50.600>have <00:22:50.774>somebody <00:22:50.950>just, <00:22:51.125>just <00:22:51.300>uh, <00:22:51.475>in <00:22:51.649>the <00:22:51.825>team.

523
00:22:52.725 --> 00:22:55.085
<00:22:52.725>We <00:22:52.880>didn't <00:22:53.036>need <00:22:53.191>it <00:22:53.347>on <00:22:53.502>that <00:22:53.658>but <00:22:53.813>was <00:22:53.969>good <00:22:54.125>have,

524
00:22:56.505 --> 00:22:59.525
<00:22:56.505>and <00:22:56.660>also <00:22:56.816>we <00:22:56.971>actively <00:22:57.127>involved <00:22:57.282>not <00:22:57.438>only <00:22:57.593>the <00:22:57.749>ops <00:22:57.905>guys

525
00:22:59.525 --> 00:23:01.005
<00:22:59.525>but <00:22:59.791>also <00:23:00.057>developers <00:23:00.324>in <00:23:00.590>the <00:23:00.857>business.

526
00:23:01.345 --> 00:23:03.485
<00:23:01.345>In <00:23:01.485>the <00:23:01.625>migration <00:23:01.765>testing, <00:23:01.905>I <00:23:02.045>said <00:23:02.185>I <00:23:02.325>want <00:23:02.465>to <00:23:02.605>make <00:23:02.745>sure

527
00:23:03.485 --> 00:23:06.885
<00:23:03.485>that <00:23:03.640>everything <00:23:03.796>works <00:23:03.951>and <00:23:04.107>if <00:23:04.262>the <00:23:04.418>operations <00:23:04.573>guys <00:23:04.729>are <00:23:04.885>working

528
00:23:06.885 --> 00:23:08.405
<00:23:06.885>on <00:23:07.158>the <00:23:07.432>weekend <00:23:07.705>for <00:23:07.979>the <00:23:08.253>migration,

529
00:23:09.045 --> 00:23:11.045
<00:23:09.045>I <00:23:09.395>want <00:23:09.745>obviously <00:23:10.095>one <00:23:10.445>developers

530
00:23:11.045 --> 00:23:13.245
<00:23:11.045>and <00:23:11.245>business <00:23:11.445>there <00:23:11.645>as <00:23:11.845>well <00:23:12.045>to <00:23:12.245>make <00:23:12.445>sure

531
00:23:13.245 --> 00:23:14.405
<00:23:13.245>that <00:23:13.505>everything <00:23:13.766>works <00:23:14.028>and <00:23:14.289>tests.

532
00:23:14.425 --> 00:23:16.725
<00:23:14.425>So <00:23:14.600>we <00:23:14.774>were <00:23:14.950>actually <00:23:15.125>quite <00:23:15.300>a <00:23:15.475>large <00:23:15.649>group <00:23:15.825>together

533
00:23:17.585 --> 00:23:21.205
<00:23:17.585>and <00:23:17.740>last <00:23:17.896>point <00:23:18.051>we <00:23:18.207>had <00:23:18.362>a <00:23:18.518>discussion <00:23:18.673>about <00:23:18.829>the <00:23:18.985>provisioning

534
00:23:21.205 --> 00:23:25.685
<00:23:21.205>of <00:23:21.360>the <00:23:21.516>new <00:23:21.671>database <00:23:21.827>and <00:23:21.982>there <00:23:22.138>were <00:23:22.293>some <00:23:22.449>simulations <00:23:22.605>running

535
00:23:25.785 --> 00:23:28.405
<00:23:25.785>and <00:23:25.925>saying, <00:23:26.065>ah, <00:23:26.205>we <00:23:26.345>need <00:23:26.485>this <00:23:26.625>and <00:23:26.765>we <00:23:26.905>can <00:23:27.045>optimize <00:23:27.185>it.

536
00:23:28.945 --> 00:23:31.005
<00:23:28.945>And <00:23:29.100>I <00:23:29.256>told <00:23:29.411>them, <00:23:29.567>Hey, <00:23:29.722>I <00:23:29.878>don't <00:23:30.033>care <00:23:30.189>about <00:23:30.345>the

537
00:23:31.005 --> 00:23:32.365
<00:23:31.005>provisioning <00:23:31.413>on <00:23:31.821>day <00:23:32.229>one.

538
00:23:33.365 --> 00:23:36.325
<00:23:33.365>I <00:23:33.505>care <00:23:33.645>about <00:23:33.785>the <00:23:33.925>provisioning <00:23:34.065>like <00:23:34.205>on <00:23:34.345>day <00:23:34.485>10 <00:23:34.625>or <00:23:34.765>so.

539
00:23:36.665 --> 00:23:39.885
<00:23:36.665>So <00:23:36.820>for <00:23:36.976>the <00:23:37.131>beginning, <00:23:37.287>why <00:23:37.442>don't <00:23:37.598>we <00:23:37.753>actively <00:23:37.909>over <00:23:38.065>provision?

540
00:23:39.885 --> 00:23:43.005
<00:23:39.885>So <00:23:40.040>put <00:23:40.196>actually <00:23:40.351>I <00:23:40.507>think <00:23:40.662>four <00:23:40.818>times <00:23:40.973>the <00:23:41.129>size <00:23:41.285>in

541
00:23:43.005 --> 00:23:45.165
<00:23:43.005>that <00:23:43.238>we <00:23:43.471>expect <00:23:43.705>that's <00:23:43.938>required <00:23:44.171>on <00:23:44.405>Monday.

542
00:23:45.725 --> 00:23:46.965
<00:23:45.725>'cause <00:23:45.864>I <00:23:46.004>want <00:23:46.143>to <00:23:46.283>make <00:23:46.422>sure <00:23:46.562>that <00:23:46.701>on <00:23:46.841>Monday

543
00:23:47.855 --> 00:23:49.085
<00:23:47.855>everything <00:23:48.408>runs <00:23:48.962>smooth

544
00:23:49.085 --> 00:23:50.245
<00:23:49.085>so <00:23:49.346>the <00:23:49.607>business <00:23:49.868>doesn't <00:23:50.129>actually

545
00:23:50.435 --> 00:23:51.845
<00:23:50.435>realize <00:23:50.858>there's <00:23:51.281>any <00:23:51.704>problems.

546
00:23:52.585 --> 00:23:56.525
<00:23:52.585>So <00:23:52.740>that's <00:23:52.896>what <00:23:53.051>we <00:23:53.207>did <00:23:53.362>and <00:23:53.518>what <00:23:53.673>did <00:23:53.829>we <00:23:53.985>learn?

547
00:23:58.325 --> 00:24:00.145
<00:23:58.325>So <00:23:58.558>we <00:23:58.791>learned <00:23:59.025>that, <00:23:59.258>that <00:23:59.491>it's <00:23:59.725>important

548
00:24:00.145 --> 00:24:03.065
<00:24:00.145>to <00:24:00.261>give <00:24:00.378>the <00:24:00.495>teams <00:24:00.611>a <00:24:00.728>key <00:24:00.845>goal <00:24:00.961>to <00:24:01.078>ensure <00:24:01.195>that <00:24:01.311>they <00:24:01.428>have <00:24:01.545>focus.

549
00:24:03.065 --> 00:24:05.505
<00:24:03.065>So <00:24:03.205>the <00:24:03.345>goal <00:24:03.485>was <00:24:03.625>get <00:24:03.765>rid <00:24:03.905>of <00:24:04.045>the <00:24:04.185>data <00:24:04.325>center, <00:24:04.465>not

550
00:24:06.545 --> 00:24:08.345
<00:24:06.545>transform <00:24:06.778>everything <00:24:07.011>because <00:24:07.245>that's <00:24:07.478>a <00:24:07.711>longer <00:24:07.945>effort.

551
00:24:08.725 --> 00:24:11.305
<00:24:08.725>Uh, <00:24:08.958>transparency <00:24:09.191>in <00:24:09.425>active <00:24:09.658>communication, <00:24:09.891>always <00:24:10.125>talking

552
00:24:11.305 --> 00:24:13.585
<00:24:11.305>with <00:24:11.480>the <00:24:11.655>teams <00:24:11.830>and <00:24:12.005>also <00:24:12.180>having <00:24:12.355>the <00:24:12.530>burn <00:24:12.705>down

553
00:24:13.585 --> 00:24:14.625
<00:24:13.585>charts <00:24:13.819>and <00:24:14.053>stuff <00:24:14.287>like <00:24:14.521>that.

554
00:24:15.205 --> 00:24:19.105
<00:24:15.205>Um, <00:24:15.345>think <00:24:15.485>about <00:24:15.625>how <00:24:15.764>you <00:24:15.905>can <00:24:16.044>slice <00:24:16.185>even <00:24:16.324>large <00:24:16.465>tasks <00:24:16.605>into

555
00:24:19.105 --> 00:24:21.505
<00:24:19.105>small <00:24:19.305>that <00:24:19.505>you <00:24:19.705>can <00:24:19.905>then <00:24:20.105>approach <00:24:20.305>an <00:24:20.505>iterative

556
00:24:21.525 --> 00:24:23.225
<00:24:21.525>and <00:24:21.991>incremental <00:24:22.458>uh, <00:24:22.925>manner.

557
00:24:23.925 --> 00:24:25.625
<00:24:23.925>Um, <00:24:24.158>show <00:24:24.391>the <00:24:24.625>developers <00:24:24.858>the <00:24:25.091>added <00:24:25.325>value.

558
00:24:25.745 --> 00:24:27.505
<00:24:25.745>I <00:24:25.945>think <00:24:26.145>I <00:24:26.344>haven't <00:24:26.544>touched <00:24:26.745>on <00:24:26.945>this <00:24:27.145>before,

559
00:24:28.005 --> 00:24:30.745
<00:24:28.005>but <00:24:28.180>obviously <00:24:28.355>when <00:24:28.530>you <00:24:28.705>migrate <00:24:28.880>to <00:24:29.055>a <00:24:29.230>new <00:24:29.405>infrastructure,

560
00:24:30.805 --> 00:24:33.025
<00:24:30.805>the <00:24:31.005>developers <00:24:31.205>that <00:24:31.405>I <00:24:31.605>don't <00:24:31.805>care <00:24:32.005>about <00:24:32.205>this,

561
00:24:33.225 --> 00:24:34.425
<00:24:33.225>somebody <00:24:33.379>else <00:24:33.533>should <00:24:33.687>do <00:24:33.842>it <00:24:33.996>and <00:24:34.150>why <00:24:34.304>should

562
00:24:34.425 --> 00:24:35.545
<00:24:34.425>I <00:24:34.626>actually <00:24:34.828>invest <00:24:35.029>time <00:24:35.231>in <00:24:35.433>that?

563
00:24:36.465 --> 00:24:37.685
<00:24:36.465>But <00:24:36.739>once <00:24:37.014>we <00:24:37.288>showed <00:24:37.562>them

564
00:24:37.865 --> 00:24:41.965
<00:24:37.865>how <00:24:38.040>they <00:24:38.215>can <00:24:38.390>actually <00:24:38.565>benefit <00:24:38.740>from <00:24:38.915>the <00:24:39.090>AWS <00:24:39.265>infrastructure,

565
00:24:42.395 --> 00:24:44.645
<00:24:42.395>they <00:24:42.535>were <00:24:42.675>on <00:24:42.815>board <00:24:42.955>and <00:24:43.095>then <00:24:43.235>they <00:24:43.375>were <00:24:43.514>actually <00:24:43.655>more <00:24:43.795>than

566
00:24:45.135 --> 00:24:47.165
<00:24:45.135>happy <00:24:45.368>to <00:24:45.601>actually <00:24:45.835>help <00:24:46.068>the <00:24:46.301>operations <00:24:46.535>guys

567
00:24:47.425 --> 00:24:48.485
<00:24:47.425>during <00:24:47.902>the <00:24:48.379>migration.

568
00:24:49.225 --> 00:24:51.885
<00:24:49.225>Uh, <00:24:49.399>integrated <00:24:49.574>business <00:24:49.750>at <00:24:49.925>an <00:24:50.100>early <00:24:50.274>stage, <00:24:50.449>always <00:24:50.625>important.

569
00:24:52.065 --> 00:24:54.805
<00:24:52.065>And <00:24:52.220>I <00:24:52.376>always <00:24:52.531>think <00:24:52.687>you <00:24:52.842>should <00:24:52.998>talk <00:24:53.153>about <00:24:53.309>business <00:24:53.465>first.

570
00:24:54.825 --> 00:24:56.045
<00:24:54.825>And <00:24:55.044>actually <00:24:55.264>the <00:24:55.483>interesting <00:24:55.703>thing <00:24:55.923>is

571
00:24:56.625 --> 00:24:58.565
<00:24:56.625>it <00:24:56.858>often <00:24:57.091>hates <00:24:57.325>it <00:24:57.558>when <00:24:57.791>business <00:24:58.025>comes

572
00:24:58.565 --> 00:24:59.845
<00:24:58.565>to <00:24:58.729>them <00:24:58.894>at <00:24:59.058>the <00:24:59.223>very <00:24:59.387>end <00:24:59.552>and <00:24:59.717>said,

573
00:24:59.845 --> 00:25:00.885
<00:24:59.845>oh <00:25:00.032>we <00:25:00.219>just <00:25:00.406>signed <00:25:00.593>a <00:25:00.781>contract.

574
00:25:00.905 --> 00:25:03.925
<00:25:00.905>Can <00:25:01.080>you <00:25:01.254>implement <00:25:01.430>this? <00:25:01.605>Um, <00:25:01.780>and <00:25:01.955>you <00:25:02.129>want <00:25:02.305>that.

575
00:25:03.925 --> 00:25:05.925
<00:25:03.925>The <00:25:04.125>business <00:25:04.325>comes <00:25:04.524>early <00:25:04.725>with <00:25:04.925>stuff <00:25:05.125>like <00:25:05.325>this.

576
00:25:06.565 --> 00:25:08.405
<00:25:06.565>I <00:25:06.798>think <00:25:07.031>also <00:25:07.265>the <00:25:07.498>the <00:25:07.731>other <00:25:07.965>way

577
00:25:08.405 --> 00:25:11.165
<00:25:08.405>around <00:25:08.580>is <00:25:08.754>also <00:25:08.930>important <00:25:09.105>when <00:25:09.280>you <00:25:09.455>think <00:25:09.629>about <00:25:09.805>something

578
00:25:11.495 --> 00:25:13.685
<00:25:11.495>early, <00:25:11.728>discuss <00:25:11.961>this <00:25:12.195>with <00:25:12.428>your <00:25:12.661>counterparts <00:25:12.895>early

579
00:25:14.125 --> 00:25:16.365
<00:25:14.125>'cause <00:25:14.265>then <00:25:14.405>they <00:25:14.545>can <00:25:14.685>also <00:25:14.825>think <00:25:14.965>about <00:25:15.105>this <00:25:15.245>and <00:25:15.385>help <00:25:15.525>you

580
00:25:17.025 --> 00:25:20.245
<00:25:17.025>and <00:25:17.200>celebrate <00:25:17.375>and <00:25:17.550>communicate <00:25:17.725>success <00:25:17.900>not <00:25:18.075>only <00:25:18.250>about <00:25:18.425>it

581
00:25:20.245 --> 00:25:21.925
<00:25:20.245>but <00:25:20.478>also <00:25:20.711>at <00:25:20.945>the <00:25:21.178>end <00:25:21.411>celebrate <00:25:21.645>it.

582
00:25:22.705 --> 00:25:25.525
<00:25:22.705>So <00:25:22.938>how <00:25:23.171>did <00:25:23.405>the <00:25:23.638>migration <00:25:23.871>weekend <00:25:24.105>go?

583
00:25:26.425 --> 00:25:29.645
<00:25:26.425>Um, <00:25:26.625>and <00:25:26.825>actually <00:25:27.024>I <00:25:27.225>had <00:25:27.425>the <00:25:27.625>almost <00:25:27.825>impression

584
00:25:29.645 --> 00:25:30.645
<00:25:29.645>that <00:25:29.945>this <00:25:30.245>was <00:25:30.545>staged

585
00:25:31.355 --> 00:25:34.405
<00:25:31.355>because, <00:25:31.495>so <00:25:31.635>we <00:25:31.775>had <00:25:31.915>a <00:25:32.055>clear <00:25:32.195>communication <00:25:32.335>plan <00:25:32.475>at <00:25:32.615>a <00:25:32.755>timeline

586
00:25:35.185 --> 00:25:37.685
<00:25:35.185>and <00:25:35.360>I <00:25:35.534>was <00:25:35.710>sitting <00:25:35.885>at <00:25:36.060>home <00:25:36.235>slack <00:25:36.409>channel <00:25:36.585>open

587
00:25:38.385 --> 00:25:40.565
<00:25:38.385>and <00:25:38.585>I <00:25:38.785>was <00:25:38.985>just <00:25:39.185>monitoring <00:25:39.385>the <00:25:39.585>slack <00:25:39.785>channel

588
00:25:40.745 --> 00:25:42.885
<00:25:40.745>and <00:25:40.885>said, <00:25:41.024>if <00:25:41.165>you <00:25:41.304>need <00:25:41.445>me <00:25:41.584>then <00:25:41.725>call <00:25:41.864>out <00:25:42.004>to <00:25:42.145>me.

589
00:25:42.905 --> 00:25:44.685
<00:25:42.905>But <00:25:43.185>full <00:25:43.465>trust <00:25:43.745>in <00:25:44.024>the <00:25:44.305>team.

590
00:25:45.345 --> 00:25:48.205
<00:25:45.345>And <00:25:45.578>actually <00:25:45.811>the <00:25:46.045>migration <00:25:46.278>went <00:25:46.511>so <00:25:46.745>well.

591
00:25:48.205 --> 00:25:49.565
<00:25:48.205>There <00:25:48.511>was <00:25:48.817>no <00:25:49.123>single <00:25:49.429>hiccup,

592
00:25:49.765 --> 00:25:51.805
<00:25:49.765>I <00:25:49.940>told <00:25:50.115>you <00:25:50.290>the <00:25:50.465>person <00:25:50.640>we <00:25:50.815>had <00:25:50.990>in <00:25:51.165>reserve,

593
00:25:52.225 --> 00:25:53.365
<00:25:52.225>he <00:25:52.430>didn't <00:25:52.635>need <00:25:52.840>to <00:25:53.045>do <00:25:53.251>anything.

594
00:25:54.065 --> 00:25:56.525
<00:25:54.065>And <00:25:54.240>the <00:25:54.415>migration <00:25:54.590>itself <00:25:54.765>was <00:25:54.940>done <00:25:55.115>like <00:25:55.290>an <00:25:55.465>hour

595
00:25:56.525 --> 00:25:57.605
<00:25:56.525>earlier <00:25:57.011>than <00:25:57.497>expected.

596
00:25:58.835 --> 00:26:00.895
<00:25:58.835>So <00:25:58.990>it <00:25:59.146>was <00:25:59.301>very <00:25:59.457>good. <00:25:59.612>And <00:25:59.768>I <00:25:59.923>told <00:26:00.079>my <00:26:00.235>head

597
00:26:00.895 --> 00:26:02.255
<00:26:00.895>of <00:26:01.201>operations <00:26:01.507>this <00:26:01.813>was <00:26:02.119>great

598
00:26:02.275 --> 00:26:05.655
<00:26:02.275>and <00:26:02.430>this <00:26:02.586>is <00:26:02.741>a <00:26:02.897>good, <00:26:03.052>good <00:26:03.208>end <00:26:03.363>to <00:26:03.519>the <00:26:03.675>story

599
00:26:05.875 --> 00:26:09.275
<00:26:05.875>and <00:26:06.050>obviously <00:26:06.225>next <00:26:06.400>step <00:26:06.575>then <00:26:06.750>was <00:26:06.925>the <00:26:07.100>cloud <00:26:07.275>transformation.

600
00:26:09.275 --> 00:26:11.915
<00:26:09.275>But <00:26:09.391>I <00:26:09.508>was <00:26:09.625>happy <00:26:09.741>that <00:26:09.858>we <00:26:09.975>were <00:26:10.091>getting <00:26:10.208>rid <00:26:10.325>of <00:26:10.441>the <00:26:10.558>data <00:26:10.675>center

601
00:26:12.495 --> 00:26:16.115
<00:26:12.495>and <00:26:12.635>at <00:26:12.774>least <00:26:12.915>getting <00:26:13.054>rid <00:26:13.195>of <00:26:13.334>one <00:26:13.475>problem <00:26:13.614>that <00:26:13.754>we <00:26:13.895>had.

602
00:26:17.175 --> 00:26:18.315
<00:26:17.175>So <00:26:17.688>that's <00:26:18.201>it

603
00:26:18.575 --> 00:26:21.835
<00:26:18.575>for <00:26:18.750>the <00:26:18.925>it <00:26:19.100>the <00:26:19.275>AWS <00:26:19.450>migration <00:26:19.625>within <00:26:19.800>three <00:26:19.975>months.

604
00:26:22.115 --> 00:26:23.235
<00:26:22.115>I <00:26:22.367>hope <00:26:22.619>you <00:26:22.870>learned <00:26:23.122>something

605
00:26:23.855 --> 00:26:26.795
<00:26:23.855>and <00:26:24.010>I'm <00:26:24.166>happy <00:26:24.321>to <00:26:24.477>answer <00:26:24.632>any <00:26:24.788>questions <00:26:24.943>you <00:26:25.099>might <00:26:25.255>have.

606
00:26:29.335 --> 00:26:32.315
<00:26:29.335>Stefan, <00:26:29.535>thank <00:26:29.735>you <00:26:29.935>so <00:26:30.135>much <00:26:30.335>for <00:26:30.535>your <00:26:30.735>presentation.

607
00:26:32.535 --> 00:26:35.555
<00:26:32.535>Can <00:26:32.690>you <00:26:32.846>hear <00:26:33.001>me <00:26:33.157>just <00:26:33.312>to <00:26:33.468>check <00:26:33.623>that? <00:26:33.779>Yes. <00:26:33.935>Perfect.

608
00:26:35.775 --> 00:26:38.275
<00:26:35.775>So <00:26:35.930>we <00:26:36.086>do <00:26:36.241>have <00:26:36.397>a <00:26:36.552>couple <00:26:36.708>of <00:26:36.863>comments <00:26:37.019>and <00:26:37.175>questions.

609
00:26:38.415 --> 00:26:41.555
<00:26:38.415>So <00:26:38.648>Paul <00:26:38.881>Timor <00:26:39.115>is <00:26:39.348>saying <00:26:39.581>amazing <00:26:39.815>presentation.

610
00:26:41.775 --> 00:26:45.565
<00:26:41.775>He <00:26:41.975>loves <00:26:42.175>the <00:26:42.375>mindset. <00:26:42.575>Um, <00:26:42.775>if <00:26:42.975>you <00:26:43.175>had

611
00:26:45.565 --> 00:26:49.005
<00:26:45.565>to <00:26:45.705>do <00:26:45.845>it <00:26:45.985>all <00:26:46.125>over <00:26:46.265>again, <00:26:46.405>what <00:26:46.545>would <00:26:46.685>you <00:26:46.825>do <00:26:46.965>differently?

612
00:26:49.075 --> 00:26:53.525
<00:26:49.075>Knowing <00:26:49.250>what <00:26:49.425>you <00:26:49.600>now <00:26:49.775>know, <00:26:49.950>keeping <00:26:50.125>all <00:26:50.300>technology <00:26:50.475>constant?

613
00:26:56.455 --> 00:26:57.715
<00:26:56.455>Uh, <00:26:56.644>in <00:26:56.832>my <00:26:57.022>mind <00:26:57.211>this <00:26:57.399>was <00:26:57.589>one

614
00:26:57.715 --> 00:27:00.955
<00:26:57.715>of <00:26:57.995>the <00:26:58.274>really <00:26:58.554>better <00:26:58.834>run <00:26:59.115>projects.

615
00:27:00.955 --> 00:27:03.355
<00:27:00.955>So <00:27:01.110>there's <00:27:01.266>a <00:27:01.421>few <00:27:01.577>things <00:27:01.732>that <00:27:01.888>I <00:27:02.043>would <00:27:02.199>do <00:27:02.355>differently.

616
00:27:03.795 --> 00:27:06.675
<00:27:03.795>I <00:27:03.935>think <00:27:04.075>one <00:27:04.215>of <00:27:04.355>the <00:27:04.495>things <00:27:04.635>I <00:27:04.775>probably <00:27:04.915>would <00:27:05.055>involve <00:27:05.195>the

617
00:27:06.675 --> 00:27:07.755
<00:27:06.675>developers <00:27:07.161>even <00:27:07.647>earlier.

618
00:27:08.455 --> 00:27:10.875
<00:27:08.455>So <00:27:08.610>what <00:27:08.766>we <00:27:08.921>did <00:27:09.077>during <00:27:09.232>that <00:27:09.388>process <00:27:09.543>actually <00:27:09.699>we <00:27:09.855>did,

619
00:27:11.095 --> 00:27:14.755
<00:27:11.095>we <00:27:11.202>called <00:27:11.310>it <00:27:11.418>an <00:27:11.525>IT <00:27:11.633>game <00:27:11.741>day <00:27:11.848>where <00:27:11.956>we <00:27:12.064>took <00:27:12.171>the <00:27:12.279>whole <00:27:12.387>of <00:27:12.495>it

620
00:27:14.775 --> 00:27:19.235
<00:27:14.775>and <00:27:14.975>this <00:27:15.175>was <00:27:15.375>everybody <00:27:15.575>from <00:27:15.775>developers <00:27:15.975>to <00:27:16.175>ux,

621
00:27:19.595 --> 00:27:21.555
<00:27:19.595>UX <00:27:20.061>people, <00:27:20.528>POS <00:27:20.995>together

622
00:27:21.735 --> 00:27:25.715
<00:27:21.735>and <00:27:21.890>to <00:27:22.046>work <00:27:22.201>on <00:27:22.357>a <00:27:22.512>cloud <00:27:22.668>environment <00:27:22.823>just <00:27:22.979>for <00:27:23.135>fun

623
00:27:25.735 --> 00:27:27.795
<00:27:25.735>and <00:27:25.935>uh, <00:27:26.135>in, <00:27:26.334>in <00:27:26.534>sort <00:27:26.735>of <00:27:26.935>small <00:27:27.135>teams

624
00:27:27.895 --> 00:27:29.875
<00:27:27.895>and <00:27:28.050>in <00:27:28.206>uh, <00:27:28.361>with <00:27:28.517>a <00:27:28.672>leaderboard <00:27:28.828>and <00:27:28.983>stuff <00:27:29.139>like <00:27:29.295>that.

625
00:27:29.975 --> 00:27:31.515
<00:27:29.975>And <00:27:30.173>that <00:27:30.370>was <00:27:30.569>actually <00:27:30.767>good <00:27:30.965>because <00:27:31.163>a <00:27:31.361>lot

626
00:27:31.515 --> 00:27:34.555
<00:27:31.515>of <00:27:31.715>people <00:27:31.915>understood <00:27:32.115>how <00:27:32.315>the <00:27:32.515>cloud <00:27:32.715>actually <00:27:32.915>works.

627
00:27:34.575 --> 00:27:36.075
<00:27:34.575>It <00:27:34.767>was <00:27:34.960>a <00:27:35.153>lot <00:27:35.346>of <00:27:35.539>fun <00:27:35.732>obviously <00:27:35.925>sort

628
00:27:36.075 --> 00:27:39.195
<00:27:36.075>of <00:27:36.250>bringing <00:27:36.425>your <00:27:36.600>own <00:27:36.775>webpage <00:27:36.950>down <00:27:37.125>in, <00:27:37.300>in <00:27:37.475>production

629
00:27:39.295 --> 00:27:40.595
<00:27:39.295>and <00:27:39.587>deploying <00:27:39.880>stuff <00:27:40.172>like <00:27:40.465>that.

630
00:27:40.855 --> 00:27:43.675
<00:27:40.855>So <00:27:40.971>that <00:27:41.088>was <00:27:41.205>good. <00:27:41.321>And <00:27:41.438>I <00:27:41.555>think <00:27:41.671>perhaps <00:27:41.788>I <00:27:41.905>would <00:27:42.021>have <00:27:42.138>done <00:27:42.255>this

631
00:27:43.675 --> 00:27:45.715
<00:27:43.675>even <00:27:43.830>earlier <00:27:43.986>than <00:27:44.141>just <00:27:44.297>in <00:27:44.452>the <00:27:44.608>middle <00:27:44.763>of <00:27:44.919>the <00:27:45.075>program.

632
00:27:46.255 --> 00:27:47.835
<00:27:46.255>So <00:27:46.488>too <00:27:46.721>earlier <00:27:46.955>get <00:27:47.188>the <00:27:47.421>access, <00:27:47.655>um,

633
00:27:48.655 --> 00:27:49.915
<00:27:48.655>for <00:27:48.881>knowing <00:27:49.108>what <00:27:49.335>I <00:27:49.562>know <00:27:49.789>now.

634
00:27:50.195 --> 00:27:52.675
<00:27:50.195>Actually <00:27:50.350>I <00:27:50.506>think <00:27:50.661>I <00:27:50.817>would <00:27:50.972>have <00:27:51.128>started <00:27:51.283>the <00:27:51.439>whole <00:27:51.595>process

635
00:27:53.055 --> 00:27:55.235
<00:27:53.055>of <00:27:53.255>migration <00:27:53.455>about <00:27:53.655>half <00:27:53.855>year <00:27:54.055>earlier <00:27:54.255>or <00:27:54.455>so.

636
00:27:55.235 --> 00:27:56.955
<00:27:55.235>That <00:27:55.584>was <00:27:55.935>the <00:27:56.284>main <00:27:56.635>point.

637
00:27:57.015 --> 00:28:01.195
<00:27:57.015>But <00:27:57.155>this <00:27:57.295>was <00:27:57.435>basically <00:27:57.575>something <00:27:57.715>that <00:27:57.855>in <00:27:57.995>the <00:27:58.135>end, <00:27:58.275>uh, <00:27:58.415>seeing

638
00:28:01.195 --> 00:28:03.595
<00:28:01.195>that, <00:28:01.350>that <00:28:01.506>we <00:28:01.661>could <00:28:01.817>do <00:28:01.972>this, <00:28:02.128>I <00:28:02.283>would've <00:28:02.439>started <00:28:02.595>early

639
00:28:03.665 --> 00:28:06.835
<00:28:03.665>because <00:28:03.805>what <00:28:03.945>I <00:28:04.085>also <00:28:04.225>didn't <00:28:04.365>say <00:28:04.504>between, <00:28:04.645>we <00:28:04.784>want <00:28:04.925>to <00:28:05.065>migrate

640
00:28:06.835 --> 00:28:08.355
<00:28:06.835>as <00:28:07.063>fast <00:28:07.291>as <00:28:07.519>possible <00:28:07.747>and <00:28:07.975>we <00:28:08.203>started,

641
00:28:08.975 --> 00:28:12.875
<00:28:08.975>we <00:28:09.130>actually <00:28:09.286>spent <00:28:09.441>three <00:28:09.597>months <00:28:09.752>fi <00:28:09.908>looking <00:28:10.063>for <00:28:10.219>an <00:28:10.375>consultant

642
00:28:12.935 --> 00:28:14.515
<00:28:12.935>who <00:28:13.168>would <00:28:13.401>help <00:28:13.635>us <00:28:13.868>with <00:28:14.101>a <00:28:14.335>migration.

643
00:28:14.975 --> 00:28:16.595
<00:28:14.975>And <00:28:15.254>actually <00:28:15.534>finding <00:28:15.814>there <00:28:16.094>was <00:28:16.375>nobody

644
00:28:16.775 --> 00:28:19.755
<00:28:16.775>who <00:28:16.950>was <00:28:17.125>at <00:28:17.300>first <00:28:17.475>either <00:28:17.650>experienced <00:28:17.825>it <00:28:18.000>was <00:28:18.175>relevant

645
00:28:19.755 --> 00:28:23.355
<00:28:19.755>or <00:28:19.910>was <00:28:20.066>believing <00:28:20.221>that <00:28:20.377>this <00:28:20.532>was <00:28:20.688>be <00:28:20.843>a <00:28:20.999>student <00:28:21.155>timeframe.

646
00:28:24.545 --> 00:28:28.595
<00:28:24.545>Yeah. <00:28:24.720>Okay. <00:28:24.895>Um, <00:28:25.070>yeah, <00:28:25.245>I <00:28:25.420>mean <00:28:25.595>we <00:28:25.770>as <00:28:25.945>developers,

647
00:28:28.615 --> 00:28:30.555
<00:28:28.615>so <00:28:28.790>tell <00:28:28.965>me <00:28:29.140>one <00:28:29.315>project <00:28:29.490>where <00:28:29.665>you <00:28:29.840>didn't <00:28:30.015>wish

648
00:28:30.555 --> 00:28:32.755
<00:28:30.555>to <00:28:30.730>have <00:28:30.905>a <00:28:31.080>bit <00:28:31.255>more <00:28:31.430>time <00:28:31.605>at <00:28:31.780>the <00:28:31.955>end.

649
00:28:32.975 --> 00:28:34.995
<00:28:32.975>So <00:28:33.208>I <00:28:33.441>think <00:28:33.675>that's, <00:28:33.908>that's <00:28:34.141>quite <00:28:34.375>okay.

650
00:28:35.655 --> 00:28:39.315
<00:28:35.655>Um, <00:28:35.830>then <00:28:36.004>let's <00:28:36.180>see, <00:28:36.355>what <00:28:36.530>do <00:28:36.705>we <00:28:36.879>have, <00:28:37.055>uh,

651
00:28:39.665 --> 00:28:41.875
<00:28:39.665>Paul <00:28:40.014>Timma <00:28:40.365>again, <00:28:40.715>he's <00:28:41.065>saying

652
00:28:42.175 --> 00:28:46.355
<00:28:42.175>or <00:28:42.315>asking, <00:28:42.455>how <00:28:42.595>did <00:28:42.735>you <00:28:42.875>get <00:28:43.014>other <00:28:43.155>stakeholders, <00:28:43.294>uh, <00:28:43.435>to <00:28:43.575>adhere

653
00:28:46.415 --> 00:28:49.715
<00:28:46.415>to <00:28:46.590>the <00:28:46.764>agile <00:28:46.940>methodology <00:28:47.115>example <00:28:47.290>given <00:28:47.465>legal <00:28:47.639>and <00:28:47.815>marketing?

654
00:28:53.615 --> 00:28:57.595
<00:28:53.615>Uh, <00:28:53.848>um, <00:28:54.081>I <00:28:54.315>would <00:28:54.548>say <00:28:54.781>overall <00:28:55.015>the,

655
00:28:58.135 --> 00:28:59.955
<00:28:58.135>the <00:28:58.485>organizational <00:28:58.835>culture <00:28:59.185>is <00:28:59.535>quite,

656
00:29:00.205 --> 00:29:02.115
<00:29:00.205>quite <00:29:00.485>good, <00:29:00.764>uh, <00:29:01.044>in <00:29:01.324>that <00:29:01.605>regard.

657
00:29:02.135 --> 00:29:03.995
<00:29:02.135>So <00:29:02.335>we <00:29:02.535>were <00:29:02.735>quite, <00:29:02.935>I <00:29:03.135>would <00:29:03.335>say <00:29:03.535>flexible.

658
00:29:04.555 --> 00:29:06.155
<00:29:04.555>I <00:29:04.788>would <00:29:05.021>always <00:29:05.255>say <00:29:05.488>that <00:29:05.721>our <00:29:05.955>CEO

659
00:29:06.155 --> 00:29:09.595
<00:29:06.155>and <00:29:06.330>founder, <00:29:06.504>he <00:29:06.680>probably <00:29:06.855>wouldn't <00:29:07.030>know <00:29:07.205>what <00:29:07.379>HLG <00:29:07.555>means,

660
00:29:09.815 --> 00:29:11.595
<00:29:09.815>but <00:29:10.095>he <00:29:10.375>lives <00:29:10.655>most <00:29:10.935>of <00:29:11.215>it.

661
00:29:11.975 --> 00:29:15.715
<00:29:11.975>Mostly <00:29:12.149>the <00:29:12.324>thing <00:29:12.500>about <00:29:12.675>here's <00:29:12.850>your <00:29:13.024>goal, <00:29:13.199>do <00:29:13.375>it

662
00:29:15.715 --> 00:29:17.235
<00:29:15.715>and <00:29:15.943>come <00:29:16.170>back <00:29:16.399>when <00:29:16.627>you've <00:29:16.855>achieved <00:29:17.082>it

663
00:29:17.235 --> 00:29:18.675
<00:29:17.235>and <00:29:17.667>not <00:29:18.099>doing <00:29:18.531>micromanagement.

664
00:29:18.675 --> 00:29:19.675
<00:29:18.675>So <00:29:18.899>that <00:29:19.125>worked <00:29:19.350>quite <00:29:19.575>well.

665
00:29:20.415 --> 00:29:24.195
<00:29:20.415>Um, <00:29:20.648>I <00:29:20.881>think <00:29:21.115>but <00:29:21.348>also <00:29:21.581>legal <00:29:21.815>and

666
00:29:24.215 --> 00:29:27.115
<00:29:24.215>and <00:29:24.389>marketing, <00:29:24.564>I <00:29:24.740>think <00:29:24.915>you <00:29:25.090>just <00:29:25.264>need <00:29:25.439>to <00:29:25.615>understand

667
00:29:27.115 --> 00:29:29.075
<00:29:27.115>how <00:29:27.315>you <00:29:27.515>talk <00:29:27.715>to <00:29:27.915>them <00:29:28.115>in <00:29:28.315>their <00:29:28.515>language.

668
00:29:29.655 --> 00:29:32.155
<00:29:29.655>So <00:29:29.771>if <00:29:29.888>you <00:29:30.004>go <00:29:30.121>to <00:29:30.238>them <00:29:30.355>and <00:29:30.471>say, <00:29:30.588>oh, <00:29:30.705>we <00:29:30.821>use <00:29:30.938>Scrum <00:29:31.055>now

669
00:29:32.155 --> 00:29:33.795
<00:29:32.155>and <00:29:32.330>stuff <00:29:32.504>like <00:29:32.680>that, <00:29:32.855>they <00:29:33.030>will <00:29:33.205>not <00:29:33.379>understand <00:29:33.555>them.

670
00:29:33.815 --> 00:29:36.675
<00:29:33.815>If <00:29:33.970>you <00:29:34.126>say, <00:29:34.281>Hey, <00:29:34.437>we <00:29:34.592>do <00:29:34.748>this <00:29:34.903>in <00:29:35.059>small <00:29:35.215>pieces,

671
00:29:36.975 --> 00:29:39.955
<00:29:36.975>we <00:29:37.115>reduce <00:29:37.254>the <00:29:37.395>risk <00:29:37.534>and <00:29:37.675>every <00:29:37.814>time <00:29:37.955>we <00:29:38.094>get <00:29:38.235>feedback <00:29:38.375>loops

672
00:29:39.955 --> 00:29:41.805
<00:29:39.955>and <00:29:40.129>we <00:29:40.304>understand <00:29:40.480>what <00:29:40.655>works <00:29:40.830>and <00:29:41.004>what <00:29:41.179>doesn't <00:29:41.355>work,

673
00:29:42.145 --> 00:29:43.325
<00:29:42.145>we <00:29:42.296>do <00:29:42.448>more <00:29:42.600>of <00:29:42.751>the <00:29:42.903>things <00:29:43.055>that <00:29:43.207>work

674
00:29:43.545 --> 00:29:45.605
<00:29:43.545>and <00:29:43.745>less <00:29:43.945>of <00:29:44.145>things <00:29:44.345>that <00:29:44.545>does <00:29:44.745>don't <00:29:44.945>work,

675
00:29:45.835 --> 00:29:47.005
<00:29:45.835>then <00:29:46.186>they <00:29:46.537>understand <00:29:46.888>it.

676
00:29:47.955 --> 00:29:50.765
<00:29:47.955>Okay. <00:29:48.110>So <00:29:48.266>it's <00:29:48.421>about <00:29:48.577>presenting <00:29:48.732>the <00:29:48.888>results <00:29:49.043>to <00:29:49.199>them, <00:29:49.355>right?

677
00:29:50.865 --> 00:29:53.445
<00:29:50.865>The <00:29:51.020>benefits <00:29:51.176>that <00:29:51.331>they <00:29:51.487>will <00:29:51.642>also <00:29:51.798>have <00:29:51.953>as <00:29:52.109>a <00:29:52.265>company

678
00:29:53.545 --> 00:29:54.805
<00:29:53.545>and <00:29:53.828>departments <00:29:54.112>and <00:29:54.395>so <00:29:54.679>on.

679
00:29:55.105 --> 00:29:57.285
<00:29:55.105>And <00:29:55.260>it's <00:29:55.416>always <00:29:55.571>you <00:29:55.727>always, <00:29:55.882>if <00:29:56.038>you <00:29:56.193>talk <00:29:56.349>to <00:29:56.505>somebody,

680
00:29:57.545 --> 00:30:00.125
<00:29:57.545>you <00:29:57.720>should <00:29:57.895>try <00:29:58.070>to <00:29:58.245>find <00:29:58.420>their <00:29:58.595>frame <00:29:58.770>of <00:29:58.945>reference

681
00:30:00.625 --> 00:30:03.205
<00:30:00.625>and <00:30:00.780>then <00:30:00.936>speak <00:30:01.091>in <00:30:01.247>their <00:30:01.402>language, <00:30:01.558>not <00:30:01.713>in <00:30:01.869>your <00:30:02.025>language.

682
00:30:04.195 --> 00:30:05.605
<00:30:04.195>Okay. <00:30:04.512>That's <00:30:04.829>a <00:30:05.146>perfect <00:30:05.464>answer.

683
00:30:06.105 --> 00:30:09.045
<00:30:06.105>That's <00:30:06.260>really <00:30:06.416>something <00:30:06.571>that <00:30:06.727>is <00:30:06.882>universal <00:30:07.038>also, <00:30:07.193>I <00:30:07.349>would <00:30:07.505>say.

684
00:30:09.465 --> 00:30:12.005
<00:30:09.465>Um, <00:30:09.639>then <00:30:09.814>we <00:30:09.990>have <00:30:10.165>a <00:30:10.340>question <00:30:10.514>from <00:30:10.689>Darion <00:30:10.865>ic.

685
00:30:12.355 --> 00:30:14.245
<00:30:12.355>He's, <00:30:12.635>uh, <00:30:12.915>asking <00:30:13.195>which <00:30:13.475>thoughts <00:30:13.755>uh,

686
00:30:14.245 --> 00:30:16.565
<00:30:14.245>did <00:30:14.445>you <00:30:14.645>have <00:30:14.844>about <00:30:15.044>data <00:30:15.245>protection <00:30:15.445>in <00:30:15.645>the

687
00:30:16.725 --> 00:30:19.165
<00:30:16.725>AWS? <00:30:17.074>Was <00:30:17.425>it <00:30:17.774>a <00:30:18.125>topic?

688
00:30:20.145 --> 00:30:22.045
<00:30:20.145>Oh, <00:30:20.345>actually <00:30:20.545>we, <00:30:20.745>we <00:30:20.945>had <00:30:21.145>a <00:30:21.345>long <00:30:21.545>discussion

689
00:30:22.045 --> 00:30:23.805
<00:30:22.045>and <00:30:22.395>interestingly <00:30:22.745>enough, <00:30:23.095>uh, <00:30:23.445>couple

690
00:30:23.865 --> 00:30:27.165
<00:30:23.865>of <00:30:23.992>months <00:30:24.119>later <00:30:24.246>since <00:30:24.374>we <00:30:24.501>are <00:30:24.628>part <00:30:24.755>of <00:30:24.883>pro, <00:30:25.010>they <00:30:25.137>did <00:30:25.265>a

691
00:30:27.865 --> 00:30:28.885
<00:30:27.865>IT <00:30:28.171>audit <00:30:28.477>with <00:30:28.783>us

692
00:30:28.905 --> 00:30:30.085
<00:30:28.905>and <00:30:29.117>I <00:30:29.329>had <00:30:29.542>a <00:30:29.754>long <00:30:29.967>discussion

693
00:30:30.085 --> 00:30:32.685
<00:30:30.085>with <00:30:30.285>their <00:30:30.485>data <00:30:30.685>protection <00:30:30.885>officer, <00:30:31.085>is <00:30:31.285>it <00:30:31.485>better

694
00:30:32.785 --> 00:30:35.725
<00:30:32.785>or <00:30:32.960>worse, <00:30:33.135>uh, <00:30:33.310>AWS <00:30:33.485>versus <00:30:33.660>your <00:30:33.835>own <00:30:34.010>data <00:30:34.185>center?

695
00:30:35.785 --> 00:30:37.645
<00:30:35.785>And <00:30:36.018>there's <00:30:36.251>a <00:30:36.485>whole <00:30:36.718>philosophy <00:30:36.951>around <00:30:37.185>this

696
00:30:38.345 --> 00:30:41.605
<00:30:38.345>and <00:30:38.500>we <00:30:38.656>looked <00:30:38.811>at <00:30:38.967>this <00:30:39.122>and <00:30:39.278>we <00:30:39.433>said, <00:30:39.589>actually <00:30:39.745>it's,

697
00:30:42.505 --> 00:30:44.245
<00:30:42.505>and <00:30:42.738>then <00:30:42.971>it <00:30:43.205>comes <00:30:43.438>back <00:30:43.671>to <00:30:43.905>assumptions,

698
00:30:44.705 --> 00:30:47.965
<00:30:44.705>but <00:30:44.845>we <00:30:44.985>said, <00:30:45.125>hey, <00:30:45.264>AWS <00:30:45.405>is <00:30:45.544>an, <00:30:45.685>is <00:30:45.824>an <00:30:45.965>organization <00:30:46.105>that

699
00:30:48.945 --> 00:30:52.325
<00:30:48.945>if <00:30:49.061>you <00:30:49.178>trust <00:30:49.294>it, <00:30:49.411>that <00:30:49.528>they <00:30:49.645>do <00:30:49.761>a <00:30:49.878>lot <00:30:49.995>of <00:30:50.111>things <00:30:50.228>around <00:30:50.345>uh,

700
00:30:53.005 --> 00:30:54.525
<00:30:53.005>security <00:30:53.200>and <00:30:53.395>privacy <00:30:53.591>and <00:30:53.786>all <00:30:53.982>of <00:30:54.177>that <00:30:54.373>stuff.

701
00:30:54.985 --> 00:30:57.125
<00:30:54.985>But <00:30:55.140>you <00:30:55.296>also <00:30:55.451>need <00:30:55.607>to <00:30:55.762>have <00:30:55.918>to, <00:30:56.073>to <00:30:56.229>make <00:30:56.385>sure

702
00:30:57.125 --> 00:30:58.245
<00:30:57.125>that <00:30:57.326>you <00:30:57.528>do <00:30:57.729>your <00:30:57.931>own <00:30:58.132>parts.

703
00:30:58.245 --> 00:30:59.365
<00:30:58.245>So <00:30:58.413>actually <00:30:58.581>you <00:30:58.749>need <00:30:58.917>to <00:30:59.085>make <00:30:59.253>sure

704
00:30:59.365 --> 00:31:01.565
<00:30:59.365>that <00:30:59.715>the <00:31:00.065>database <00:31:00.415>is <00:31:00.765>encrypted

705
00:31:01.565 --> 00:31:04.045
<00:31:01.565>and <00:31:01.845>that <00:31:02.125>you <00:31:02.405>rotate <00:31:02.685>the, <00:31:02.965>uh,

706
00:31:04.045 --> 00:31:05.645
<00:31:04.045>the <00:31:04.245>encryption <00:31:04.445>keys <00:31:04.645>and <00:31:04.845>all <00:31:05.045>of <00:31:05.245>that <00:31:05.445>stuff.

707
00:31:05.945 --> 00:31:07.685
<00:31:05.945>So <00:31:06.100>if <00:31:06.256>you <00:31:06.411>do <00:31:06.567>that, <00:31:06.722>it's <00:31:06.878>not <00:31:07.033>really <00:31:07.189>a <00:31:07.345>problem.

708
00:31:08.305 --> 00:31:10.365
<00:31:08.305>And <00:31:08.445>it's <00:31:08.585>also <00:31:08.725>no <00:31:08.865>different <00:31:09.005>when <00:31:09.145>you're <00:31:09.285>in <00:31:09.425>a <00:31:09.565>data <00:31:09.705>set.

709
00:31:10.845 --> 00:31:13.845
<00:31:10.845>Honestly, <00:31:11.195>nobody <00:31:11.545>can <00:31:11.895>guarantee <00:31:12.245>you

710
00:31:13.875 --> 00:31:16.925
<00:31:13.875>that <00:31:14.050>the <00:31:14.225>data <00:31:14.400>center <00:31:14.575>operator <00:31:14.750>does <00:31:14.925>not <00:31:15.100>walk <00:31:15.275>up

711
00:31:16.925 --> 00:31:19.045
<00:31:16.925>to <00:31:17.100>your <00:31:17.274>hardware <00:31:17.450>and <00:31:17.625>put <00:31:17.800>something <00:31:17.975>in <00:31:18.149>the <00:31:18.325>hardware.

712
00:31:19.665 --> 00:31:22.005
<00:31:19.665>So <00:31:19.840>you <00:31:20.014>don't <00:31:20.190>have <00:31:20.365>really <00:31:20.540>have <00:31:20.715>a <00:31:20.889>different <00:31:21.065>problem.

713
00:31:22.315 --> 00:31:23.885
<00:31:22.315>It's <00:31:22.595>different <00:31:22.875>level <00:31:23.155>of <00:31:23.435>trust. <00:31:23.715>Okay.

714
00:31:24.145 --> 00:31:28.125
<00:31:24.145>But <00:31:24.261>in <00:31:24.378>the <00:31:24.495>end <00:31:24.611>it's <00:31:24.728>not <00:31:24.845>so <00:31:24.961>much <00:31:25.078>of <00:31:25.195>difference, <00:31:25.311>you <00:31:25.428>just <00:31:25.545>have

715
00:31:28.125 --> 00:31:30.085
<00:31:28.125>to <00:31:28.325>account <00:31:28.525>for <00:31:28.725>it <00:31:28.925>in <00:31:29.125>a <00:31:29.325>certain <00:31:29.525>way.

716
00:31:30.465 --> 00:31:32.445
<00:31:30.465>And <00:31:30.665>this <00:31:30.865>is <00:31:31.064>also <00:31:31.264>why <00:31:31.465>the <00:31:31.665>IT <00:31:31.865>auditors,

717
00:31:32.445 --> 00:31:34.685
<00:31:32.445>they <00:31:32.600>were <00:31:32.756>actually <00:31:32.911>happy <00:31:33.067>because <00:31:33.222>I <00:31:33.378>said, <00:31:33.533>come <00:31:33.689>on <00:31:33.845>here,

718
00:31:34.925 --> 00:31:37.005
<00:31:34.925>certificate, <00:31:35.158>here's <00:31:35.391>the <00:31:35.625>process, <00:31:35.858>this, <00:31:36.091>this <00:31:36.325>works.

719
00:31:37.305 --> 00:31:39.925
<00:31:37.305>And <00:31:37.460>since <00:31:37.616>you <00:31:37.771>can <00:31:37.927>do <00:31:38.082>a <00:31:38.238>lot <00:31:38.393>of <00:31:38.549>things <00:31:38.705>automatically,

720
00:31:40.545 --> 00:31:42.485
<00:31:40.545>you <00:31:40.825>don't <00:31:41.105>have <00:31:41.385>the <00:31:41.665>manual <00:31:41.945>workloads.

721
00:31:42.485 --> 00:31:44.365
<00:31:42.485>And <00:31:42.718>what <00:31:42.951>they <00:31:43.185>especially <00:31:43.418>like <00:31:43.651>was, <00:31:43.885>hey,

722
00:31:44.365 --> 00:31:47.925
<00:31:44.365>there's <00:31:44.565>basically <00:31:44.765>no <00:31:44.965>admin, <00:31:45.165>um, <00:31:45.365>admin <00:31:45.565>consults <00:31:45.765>anymore

723
00:31:47.925 --> 00:31:51.805
<00:31:47.925>because <00:31:48.065>you <00:31:48.205>only <00:31:48.345>get <00:31:48.485>a <00:31:48.625>certain <00:31:48.764>role <00:31:48.905>for <00:31:49.044>a <00:31:49.185>certain <00:31:49.325>time

724
00:31:52.385 --> 00:31:54.885
<00:31:52.385>for <00:31:52.540>a <00:31:52.696>certain <00:31:52.851>type <00:31:53.007>of <00:31:53.162>work <00:31:53.318>and <00:31:53.473>everything <00:31:53.629>is <00:31:53.785>audited

725
00:31:54.885 --> 00:31:56.165
<00:31:54.885>and <00:31:55.077>this <00:31:55.269>is <00:31:55.461>what <00:31:55.653>they <00:31:55.845>really <00:31:56.037>liked.

726
00:31:57.795 --> 00:31:59.445
<00:31:57.795>Okay. <00:31:58.145>Thanks <00:31:58.495>for <00:31:58.845>the <00:31:59.195>answer.

727
00:32:00.065 --> 00:32:03.245
<00:32:00.065>And <00:32:00.220>then, <00:32:00.376>uh, <00:32:00.531>another <00:32:00.687>question <00:32:00.842>from <00:32:00.998>Jens, <00:32:01.153>a <00:32:01.309>short <00:32:01.465>one,

728
00:32:03.245 --> 00:32:05.605
<00:32:03.245>how <00:32:03.400>large <00:32:03.556>was <00:32:03.711>the <00:32:03.867>team <00:32:04.022>involved <00:32:04.178>in <00:32:04.333>the <00:32:04.489>whole <00:32:04.645>process?

729
00:32:07.665 --> 00:32:10.565
<00:32:07.665>So <00:32:07.820>the <00:32:07.976>co-ops <00:32:08.131>team <00:32:08.287>was <00:32:08.442>like <00:32:08.598>four <00:32:08.753>or <00:32:08.909>five <00:32:09.065>people.

730
00:32:11.185 --> 00:32:14.445
<00:32:11.185>And <00:32:11.340>of <00:32:11.496>those <00:32:11.651>I <00:32:11.807>would <00:32:11.962>say <00:32:12.118>the <00:32:12.273>core <00:32:12.429>team <00:32:12.585>were

731
00:32:14.445 --> 00:32:15.525
<00:32:14.445>like <00:32:14.687>two <00:32:14.931>and <00:32:15.174>a <00:32:15.417>half.

732
00:32:16.465 --> 00:32:19.925
<00:32:16.465>Um, <00:32:16.639>and <00:32:16.814>then <00:32:16.990>obviously <00:32:17.165>there, <00:32:17.340>there <00:32:17.514>were <00:32:17.689>like <00:32:17.865>five

733
00:32:19.945 --> 00:32:22.285
<00:32:19.945>or <00:32:20.178>six <00:32:20.411>developers <00:32:20.645>involved <00:32:20.878>from <00:32:21.111>different <00:32:21.345>teams

734
00:32:22.385 --> 00:32:23.605
<00:32:22.385>and <00:32:22.604>POS <00:32:22.824>and <00:32:23.043>stuff <00:32:23.263>like <00:32:23.483>that.

735
00:32:23.625 --> 00:32:26.725
<00:32:23.625>But <00:32:23.752>I <00:32:23.879>would <00:32:24.006>say <00:32:24.134>from <00:32:24.261>the <00:32:24.388>doing <00:32:24.515>part, <00:32:24.643>probably <00:32:24.770>four <00:32:24.897>to <00:32:25.025>five.

736
00:32:27.595 --> 00:32:30.885
<00:32:27.595>Okay. <00:32:27.750>Um, <00:32:27.906>I <00:32:28.061>wrote <00:32:28.217>something <00:32:28.372>down <00:32:28.528>myself, <00:32:28.683>uh, <00:32:28.839>on <00:32:28.995>that.

737
00:32:30.985 --> 00:32:33.685
<00:32:30.985>Uh, <00:32:31.125>because <00:32:31.264>you <00:32:31.405>said <00:32:31.544>you <00:32:31.685>kept <00:32:31.824>one <00:32:31.965>person <00:32:32.104>as <00:32:32.245>a <00:32:32.385>reserve,

738
00:32:34.015 --> 00:32:36.365
<00:32:34.015>which <00:32:34.215>is <00:32:34.415>I <00:32:34.615>think <00:32:34.815>a <00:32:35.015>good <00:32:35.215>idea, <00:32:35.415>um,

739
00:32:36.665 --> 00:32:38.485
<00:32:36.665>but <00:32:36.898>wouldn't <00:32:37.131>you <00:32:37.365>consider <00:32:37.598>it's <00:32:37.831>still <00:32:38.065>risky

740
00:32:38.545 --> 00:32:40.245
<00:32:38.545>to <00:32:38.778>only <00:32:39.011>have <00:32:39.245>one <00:32:39.478>person <00:32:39.711>in <00:32:39.945>reserve

741
00:32:40.245 --> 00:32:41.445
<00:32:40.245>because <00:32:40.605>it <00:32:40.965>could <00:32:41.324>something

742
00:32:41.475 --> 00:32:42.765
<00:32:41.475>also, <00:32:41.668>you <00:32:41.862>know, <00:32:42.055>happen <00:32:42.249>to <00:32:42.442>that <00:32:42.636>person?

743
00:32:43.945 --> 00:32:45.205
<00:32:43.945>Oh, <00:32:44.171>it's <00:32:44.398>not <00:32:44.625>about <00:32:44.852>this <00:32:45.079>happen.

744
00:32:45.305 --> 00:32:49.005
<00:32:45.305>So <00:32:45.460>basically, <00:32:45.616>um, <00:32:45.771>we <00:32:45.927>had <00:32:46.082>a <00:32:46.238>plan <00:32:46.393>for <00:32:46.549>this <00:32:46.705>weekend

745
00:32:49.075 --> 00:32:52.205
<00:32:49.075>what <00:32:49.191>we <00:32:49.308>were <00:32:49.425>going <00:32:49.541>to <00:32:49.658>do <00:32:49.775>and <00:32:49.891>who <00:32:50.008>was <00:32:50.125>going <00:32:50.241>to <00:32:50.358>do <00:32:50.475>what.

746
00:32:53.065 --> 00:32:57.365
<00:32:53.065>And <00:32:53.205>we <00:32:53.345>still <00:32:53.485>had <00:32:53.625>the <00:32:53.765>plan <00:32:53.905>was <00:32:54.045>with <00:32:54.185>enough <00:32:54.325>spare <00:32:54.465>times,

747
00:32:57.585 --> 00:32:58.605
<00:32:57.585>if <00:32:57.891>something <00:32:58.197>goes <00:32:58.503>wrong

748
00:32:58.745 --> 00:33:01.205
<00:32:58.745>or <00:32:58.919>takes <00:32:59.094>longer, <00:32:59.270>then <00:32:59.445>we <00:32:59.620>could <00:32:59.794>still <00:32:59.969>do <00:33:00.145>this.

749
00:33:02.075 --> 00:33:04.245
<00:33:02.075>What <00:33:02.230>I <00:33:02.386>realized, <00:33:02.541>and <00:33:02.697>this <00:33:02.852>was <00:33:03.008>in <00:33:03.163>a <00:33:03.319>previous <00:33:03.475>project

750
00:33:04.455 --> 00:33:07.125
<00:33:04.455>where <00:33:04.655>we <00:33:04.855>had <00:33:05.054>something <00:33:05.254>that <00:33:05.455>was <00:33:05.655>coming <00:33:05.855>up

751
00:33:07.125 --> 00:33:09.765
<00:33:07.125>that <00:33:07.300>was <00:33:07.475>totally <00:33:07.650>unexpected, <00:33:07.825>that <00:33:08.000>it <00:33:08.175>was <00:33:08.350>something <00:33:08.525>similar.

752
00:33:09.905 --> 00:33:12.685
<00:33:09.905>So, <00:33:10.045>uh, <00:33:10.185>in <00:33:10.325>a <00:33:10.465>previous <00:33:10.605>thing <00:33:10.745>that <00:33:10.885>was <00:33:11.024>about, <00:33:11.165>hey, <00:33:11.305>our

753
00:33:13.255 --> 00:33:17.005
<00:33:13.255>deployment <00:33:13.430>runners <00:33:13.605>are <00:33:13.780>too <00:33:13.955>slow, <00:33:14.130>we <00:33:14.305>would <00:33:14.480>actually <00:33:14.655>need

754
00:33:17.065 --> 00:33:19.325
<00:33:17.065>to <00:33:17.220>speed <00:33:17.376>them <00:33:17.531>up <00:33:17.687>or <00:33:17.842>couldn't <00:33:17.998>we <00:33:18.153>spin <00:33:18.309>up <00:33:18.465>a

755
00:33:19.325 --> 00:33:20.445
<00:33:19.325>new <00:33:19.493>server <00:33:19.661>to <00:33:19.829>do <00:33:19.997>all <00:33:20.165>of <00:33:20.332>that?

756
00:33:21.145 --> 00:33:23.245
<00:33:21.145>And <00:33:21.300>in <00:33:21.456>that <00:33:21.611>instance, <00:33:21.767>it <00:33:21.922>was <00:33:22.078>good <00:33:22.233>to <00:33:22.389>have <00:33:22.545>somebody

757
00:33:23.545 --> 00:33:26.005
<00:33:23.545>who <00:33:23.778>did <00:33:24.011>something <00:33:24.245>that <00:33:24.478>on <00:33:24.711>the <00:33:24.945>sense

758
00:33:26.005 --> 00:33:28.205
<00:33:26.005>of <00:33:26.132>it <00:33:26.259>didn't <00:33:26.386>have <00:33:26.514>anything <00:33:26.641>to <00:33:26.768>do <00:33:26.895>with <00:33:27.023>the <00:33:27.150>topic <00:33:27.277>at <00:33:27.405>hand,

759
00:33:28.545 --> 00:33:30.565
<00:33:28.545>but <00:33:28.720>would <00:33:28.895>just <00:33:29.070>make <00:33:29.245>life <00:33:29.420>easier <00:33:29.595>for <00:33:29.770>everybody <00:33:29.945>else.

760
00:33:30.585 --> 00:33:32.845
<00:33:30.585>And <00:33:30.725>this <00:33:30.865>is <00:33:31.005>why <00:33:31.145>I <00:33:31.285>would <00:33:31.425>keep <00:33:31.565>in <00:33:31.705>in <00:33:31.845>the <00:33:31.985>background.

761
00:33:32.865 --> 00:33:35.805
<00:33:32.865>So <00:33:33.098>if <00:33:33.331>something <00:33:33.565>comes <00:33:33.798>up <00:33:34.031>that <00:33:34.265>you,

762
00:33:35.915 --> 00:33:37.885
<00:33:35.915>otherwise <00:33:36.148>you <00:33:36.381>would <00:33:36.615>need <00:33:36.848>a, <00:33:37.081>a <00:33:37.315>sort

763
00:33:37.885 --> 00:33:39.685
<00:33:37.885>of <00:33:38.165>a <00:33:38.445>costly <00:33:38.725>turnaround, <00:33:39.004>a <00:33:39.285>workaround.

764
00:33:39.745 --> 00:33:42.045
<00:33:39.745>And <00:33:39.885>so <00:33:40.024>the <00:33:40.165>other <00:33:40.304>guy <00:33:40.445>would <00:33:40.584>go <00:33:40.725>away <00:33:40.864>for <00:33:41.004>four <00:33:41.145>hours

765
00:33:42.505 --> 00:33:43.605
<00:33:42.505>or <00:33:42.752>just <00:33:43.000>fix <00:33:43.247>the <00:33:43.495>things

766
00:33:43.625 --> 00:33:44.685
<00:33:43.625>and <00:33:43.815>said, <00:33:44.006>Hey, <00:33:44.197>by <00:33:44.388>the <00:33:44.579>way,

767
00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:46.205
<00:33:44.745>now <00:33:44.964>we <00:33:45.183>are <00:33:45.401>not <00:33:45.620>only <00:33:45.840>having <00:33:46.059>workaround

768
00:33:46.225 --> 00:33:48.045
<00:33:46.225>but <00:33:46.504>we <00:33:46.784>use <00:33:47.064>this <00:33:47.344>permanently <00:33:47.625>now.

769
00:33:48.585 --> 00:33:50.525
<00:33:48.585>And <00:33:48.712>the <00:33:48.839>rest <00:33:48.966>of <00:33:49.094>the <00:33:49.221>team <00:33:49.348>didn't <00:33:49.475>have <00:33:49.603>to <00:33:49.730>worry <00:33:49.857>about <00:33:49.985>it

770
00:33:50.845 --> 00:33:52.205
<00:33:50.845>'cause <00:33:50.998>they <00:33:51.151>knew <00:33:51.304>it <00:33:51.456>was <00:33:51.610>sort <00:33:51.763>of <00:33:51.916>taken <00:33:52.069>care

771
00:33:52.205 --> 00:33:55.005
<00:33:52.205>of <00:33:52.345>this <00:33:52.485>whilst <00:33:52.625>you <00:33:52.764>need <00:33:52.905>a <00:33:53.044>experienced <00:33:53.185>guy, <00:33:53.324>you <00:33:53.465>don't <00:33:53.605>need

772
00:33:55.005 --> 00:33:57.885
<00:33:55.005>to <00:33:55.180>explain <00:33:55.355>to <00:33:55.530>him <00:33:55.705>whatever <00:33:55.880>to <00:33:56.055>do, <00:33:56.230>just <00:33:56.405>say,

773
00:33:57.885 --> 00:33:59.605
<00:33:57.885>here's <00:33:58.040>a <00:33:58.196>problem, <00:33:58.351>fix <00:33:58.507>it, <00:33:58.662>and <00:33:58.818>then <00:33:58.973>he <00:33:59.129>fix <00:33:59.285>it.

774
00:34:00.115 --> 00:34:02.845
<00:34:00.115>Yeah, <00:34:00.315>yeah, <00:34:00.515>yeah, <00:34:00.715>yeah. <00:34:00.915>That's <00:34:01.115>uh, <00:34:01.315>that's <00:34:01.515>true.

775
00:34:03.185 --> 00:34:05.765
<00:34:03.185>And <00:34:03.360>then <00:34:03.534>let's <00:34:03.710>take <00:34:03.885>a <00:34:04.060>last <00:34:04.235>question <00:34:04.409>from <00:34:04.585>Ozan.

776
00:34:05.865 --> 00:34:08.245
<00:34:05.865>Uh, <00:34:06.065>he's <00:34:06.265>asking <00:34:06.465>was <00:34:06.665>there <00:34:06.865>any <00:34:07.065>specific <00:34:07.265>reason

777
00:34:08.245 --> 00:34:11.205
<00:34:08.245>for <00:34:08.444>choosing <00:34:08.645>AWS <00:34:08.844>So <00:34:09.045>what <00:34:09.245>other <00:34:09.444>providers <00:34:09.645>such

778
00:34:11.205 --> 00:34:13.685
<00:34:11.205>as <00:34:11.438>Google <00:34:11.671>Cloud <00:34:11.904>Platform <00:34:12.138>or <00:34:12.371>Microsoft <00:34:12.605>Azure

779
00:34:16.545 --> 00:34:19.405
<00:34:16.545>Or <00:34:17.011>Honest <00:34:17.478>Long <00:34:17.945>story

780
00:34:19.425 --> 00:34:22.685
<00:34:19.425>and <00:34:19.565>short <00:34:19.705>answer <00:34:19.845>was <00:34:19.985>we <00:34:20.125>had, <00:34:20.265>we <00:34:20.405>already <00:34:20.545>had <00:34:20.685>part <00:34:20.825>of,

781
00:34:23.105 --> 00:34:25.605
<00:34:23.105>as <00:34:23.245>I <00:34:23.385>said, <00:34:23.525>testing <00:34:23.665>in <00:34:23.804>AWS, <00:34:23.945>that <00:34:24.085>was <00:34:24.225>one <00:34:24.365>of <00:34:24.505>it.

782
00:34:25.965 --> 00:34:30.325
<00:34:25.965>Secondly, <00:34:26.165>you <00:34:26.365>could <00:34:26.565>argue <00:34:26.765>the <00:34:26.965>three <00:34:27.165>large <00:34:27.365>providers

783
00:34:30.925 --> 00:34:32.205
<00:34:30.925>actually <00:34:31.501>depends <00:34:32.076>on

784
00:34:32.205 --> 00:34:33.845
<00:34:32.205>how <00:34:32.360>you <00:34:32.516>look <00:34:32.671>at <00:34:32.827>it, <00:34:32.982>if <00:34:33.138>they're <00:34:33.293>different <00:34:33.449>or <00:34:33.605>not.

785
00:34:33.965 --> 00:34:35.725
<00:34:33.965>I <00:34:34.165>would <00:34:34.365>argue <00:34:34.565>that <00:34:34.765>AWS <00:34:34.965>has <00:34:35.165>the <00:34:35.365>advantage

786
00:34:35.755 --> 00:34:39.245
<00:34:35.755>that <00:34:35.882>you <00:34:36.009>get <00:34:36.136>more <00:34:36.264>skills <00:34:36.391>for <00:34:36.518>them <00:34:36.645>or <00:34:36.773>more <00:34:36.900>easily <00:34:37.027>the <00:34:37.155>skills.

787
00:34:39.305 --> 00:34:41.605
<00:34:39.304>And <00:34:39.460>that <00:34:39.616>was <00:34:39.771>actually <00:34:39.927>one <00:34:40.082>of <00:34:40.238>the <00:34:40.393>advantages <00:34:40.549>that, <00:34:40.705>hey,

788
00:34:41.985 --> 00:34:43.125
<00:34:41.985>why <00:34:42.156>should <00:34:42.327>I <00:34:42.498>go <00:34:42.668>with <00:34:42.840>the <00:34:43.011>sort

789
00:34:43.125 --> 00:34:44.925
<00:34:43.125>of <00:34:43.324>second <00:34:43.525>tier <00:34:43.725>provider <00:34:43.925>when <00:34:44.125>we <00:34:44.324>can <00:34:44.525>use

790
00:34:44.925 --> 00:34:46.005
<00:34:44.925>this <00:34:45.168>first <00:34:45.411>one <00:34:45.654>as <00:34:45.897>well?

791
00:34:46.105 --> 00:34:50.325
<00:34:46.105>And <00:34:46.232>I <00:34:46.359>don't <00:34:46.486>believe <00:34:46.614>that <00:34:46.741>there's <00:34:46.868>a <00:34:46.995>lot <00:34:47.123>of, <00:34:47.250>um, <00:34:47.377>cost, <00:34:47.505>uh,

792
00:34:50.325 --> 00:34:51.445
<00:34:50.324>difference <00:34:50.576>between <00:34:50.829>all <00:34:51.081>of <00:34:51.333>them.

793
00:34:52.635 --> 00:34:55.285
<00:34:52.635>Okay. <00:34:52.835>Um, <00:34:53.035>Stefan, <00:34:53.235>we <00:34:53.435>still <00:34:53.635>have <00:34:53.835>uh, <00:34:54.035>two

794
00:34:55.285 --> 00:34:56.525
<00:34:55.284>or <00:34:55.563>three <00:34:55.842>questions <00:34:56.121>coming <00:34:56.400>in.

795
00:34:56.585 --> 00:34:58.765
<00:34:56.585>Do <00:34:56.712>you <00:34:56.839>want <00:34:56.966>to <00:34:57.094>take <00:34:57.221>them <00:34:57.348>as <00:34:57.475>well? <00:34:57.603>We <00:34:57.730>have <00:34:57.857>time, <00:34:57.985>yeah.

796
00:34:58.955 --> 00:35:00.565
<00:34:58.955>Yeah, <00:34:59.654>sure. <00:35:00.355>Good.

797
00:35:00.565 --> 00:35:04.605
<00:35:00.565>Then, <00:35:00.740>uh, <00:35:00.915>quite <00:35:01.090>technical, <00:35:01.265>um, <00:35:01.440>Silva <00:35:01.615>McCarthy <00:35:01.790>is <00:35:01.965>asking,

798
00:35:04.695 --> 00:35:07.685
<00:35:04.695>thank <00:35:04.835>you <00:35:04.975>for <00:35:05.115>the <00:35:05.255>presentation <00:35:05.395>and <00:35:05.535>uh, <00:35:05.675>did <00:35:05.815>you <00:35:05.955>use <00:35:06.095>VPN

799
00:35:07.705 --> 00:35:08.805
<00:35:07.705>or <00:35:08.200>Direct <00:35:08.694>Connect?

800
00:35:09.465 --> 00:35:10.525
<00:35:09.465>Uh, <00:35:09.783>we <00:35:10.101>used <00:35:10.419>VPN,

801
00:35:10.525 --> 00:35:12.005
<00:35:10.525>we <00:35:10.747>actually <00:35:10.969>were <00:35:11.191>looking <00:35:11.413>at <00:35:11.635>Direct <00:35:11.857>Connect,

802
00:35:12.025 --> 00:35:14.765
<00:35:12.025>but <00:35:12.152>there <00:35:12.279>were <00:35:12.406>a <00:35:12.534>couple <00:35:12.661>of <00:35:12.788>reasons <00:35:12.915>why <00:35:13.043>that <00:35:13.170>wasn't <00:35:13.297>a <00:35:13.425>use,

803
00:35:14.835 --> 00:35:15.885
<00:35:14.835>good <00:35:15.071>use <00:35:15.307>case <00:35:15.543>for <00:35:15.780>us.

804
00:35:16.875 --> 00:35:19.325
<00:35:16.875>Okay. <00:35:17.015>But <00:35:17.155>be <00:35:17.295>mindful <00:35:17.435>that <00:35:17.575>we <00:35:17.715>did <00:35:17.855>this. <00:35:17.995>Do <00:35:18.135>you <00:35:18.275>want

805
00:35:19.325 --> 00:35:20.325
<00:35:19.325>To <00:35:19.625>elaborate <00:35:19.924>on <00:35:20.225>that?

806
00:35:21.015 --> 00:35:23.725
<00:35:21.015>Sorry, <00:35:21.190>Do <00:35:21.365>you <00:35:21.540>want <00:35:21.714>to <00:35:21.890>elaborate <00:35:22.065>on <00:35:22.240>that? <00:35:22.415>Yeah,

807
00:35:23.725 --> 00:35:26.765
<00:35:23.725>I <00:35:23.852>was <00:35:23.979>just <00:35:24.106>saying <00:35:24.234>you <00:35:24.361>should <00:35:24.488>be <00:35:24.615>mindful <00:35:24.743>that <00:35:24.870>this <00:35:24.997>was <00:35:25.125>2019

808
00:35:26.785 --> 00:35:29.725
<00:35:26.785>and <00:35:26.984>I <00:35:27.185>think <00:35:27.384>Direct <00:35:27.585>Connect <00:35:27.785>actually <00:35:27.984>has <00:35:28.185>changed

809
00:35:29.725 --> 00:35:30.765
<00:35:29.725>or <00:35:30.037>evolved <00:35:30.348>since <00:35:30.661>then.

810
00:35:32.205 --> 00:35:35.405
<00:35:32.205>I <00:35:32.360>think <00:35:32.516>the <00:35:32.671>main, <00:35:32.827>uh, <00:35:32.982>so <00:35:33.138>first <00:35:33.293>Direct <00:35:33.449>Connect <00:35:33.605>seemed

811
00:35:35.405 --> 00:35:37.765
<00:35:35.405>to <00:35:35.605>be <00:35:35.805>quite <00:35:36.005>expensive <00:35:36.205>on <00:35:36.405>one <00:35:36.605>hand <00:35:36.805>side.

812
00:35:37.765 --> 00:35:41.085
<00:35:37.765>And <00:35:37.964>then <00:35:38.165>I <00:35:38.365>think <00:35:38.565>the <00:35:38.765>main <00:35:38.964>benefit, <00:35:39.165>uh,

813
00:35:41.465 --> 00:35:44.485
<00:35:41.465>if <00:35:41.605>you <00:35:41.745>have <00:35:41.885>a <00:35:42.025>benefit <00:35:42.165>depends <00:35:42.305>on <00:35:42.445>your <00:35:42.585>data <00:35:42.725>center <00:35:42.865>provider.

814
00:35:45.025 --> 00:35:46.765
<00:35:45.025>And <00:35:45.305>our <00:35:45.585>data <00:35:45.865>center <00:35:46.145>provider <00:35:46.425>was,

815
00:35:46.785 --> 00:35:48.125
<00:35:46.785>as <00:35:46.986>I <00:35:47.187>said, <00:35:47.388>not <00:35:47.589>the <00:35:47.790>best <00:35:47.991>one.

816
00:35:48.545 --> 00:35:51.565
<00:35:48.545>So <00:35:48.685>actually <00:35:48.825>getting <00:35:48.965>this <00:35:49.105>up <00:35:49.245>and <00:35:49.385>running <00:35:49.525>was <00:35:49.665>quite <00:35:49.805>a <00:35:49.945>headache

817
00:35:51.585 --> 00:35:54.365
<00:35:51.585>and <00:35:51.785>the, <00:35:51.985>it <00:35:52.185>didn't <00:35:52.385>solve <00:35:52.585>the <00:35:52.785>main <00:35:52.985>problem

818
00:35:54.395 --> 00:35:55.845
<00:35:54.395>that <00:35:54.656>we <00:35:54.917>had <00:35:55.178>with <00:35:55.439>the <00:35:55.700>latencies.

819
00:35:57.395 --> 00:35:58.725
<00:35:57.395>Okay. <00:35:58.592>Good.

820
00:35:58.825 --> 00:36:01.445
<00:35:58.825>And <00:35:59.000>then <00:35:59.174>now <00:35:59.350>really <00:35:59.524>the <00:35:59.700>last <00:35:59.875>question <00:36:00.049>from <00:36:00.225>Alexander.

821
00:36:01.945 --> 00:36:03.965
<00:36:01.945>Um, <00:36:02.295>what's <00:36:02.645>the <00:36:02.995>best <00:36:03.345>solution

822
00:36:03.985 --> 00:36:08.405
<00:36:03.985>for <00:36:04.160>Linux <00:36:04.335>user <00:36:04.510>accounts <00:36:04.685>management <00:36:04.860>on <00:36:05.035>AWS <00:36:05.210>EC2 <00:36:05.385>instances

823
00:36:08.665 --> 00:36:10.525
<00:36:08.665>for <00:36:09.015>multiple <00:36:09.365>users <00:36:09.715>and <00:36:10.065>groups?

824
00:36:11.555 --> 00:36:14.885
<00:36:11.555>Very <00:36:11.835>good <00:36:12.115>question. <00:36:12.395>I'm, <00:36:12.674>you'll <00:36:12.955>need

825
00:36:14.885 --> 00:36:17.645
<00:36:14.885>to <00:36:15.085>ask <00:36:15.285>somebody <00:36:15.485>else. <00:36:15.685>I <00:36:15.885>have <00:36:16.085>no <00:36:16.285>clue.

826
00:36:18.555 --> 00:36:20.405
<00:36:18.555>Okay. <00:36:18.904>Alexander, <00:36:19.254>we <00:36:19.605>have, <00:36:19.955>uh,

827
00:36:20.405 --> 00:36:24.845
<00:36:20.405>5,000 <00:36:20.560>developers <00:36:20.716>here <00:36:20.871>on <00:36:21.027>this <00:36:21.182>Congress, <00:36:21.338>so <00:36:21.493>why <00:36:21.649>don't <00:36:21.805>you,

828
00:36:25.225 --> 00:36:28.205
<00:36:25.225>um, <00:36:25.380>yeah, <00:36:25.536>try <00:36:25.691>to <00:36:25.847>connect <00:36:26.002>maybe <00:36:26.158>with <00:36:26.313>someone <00:36:26.469>who <00:36:26.625>is,

829
00:36:28.265 --> 00:36:30.005
<00:36:28.265>who <00:36:28.498>is <00:36:28.731>an <00:36:28.964>expert <00:36:29.198>in <00:36:29.431>this <00:36:29.665>field

830
00:36:30.185 --> 00:36:32.445
<00:36:30.185>and <00:36:30.418>uh, <00:36:30.651>can <00:36:30.884>go <00:36:31.118>into <00:36:31.351>that <00:36:31.585>detail.

831
00:36:33.065 --> 00:36:36.885
<00:36:33.065>So, <00:36:33.205>um, <00:36:33.345>yeah, <00:36:33.485>with <00:36:33.625>that <00:36:33.765>said, <00:36:33.905>Stefan, <00:36:34.045>I <00:36:34.185>want <00:36:34.325>to <00:36:34.465>say,

832
00:36:37.305 --> 00:36:38.565
<00:36:37.305>uh, <00:36:37.588>thank <00:36:37.872>you <00:36:38.155>so <00:36:38.439>much.

833
00:36:38.865 --> 00:36:40.765
<00:36:38.865>Um, <00:36:39.064>I <00:36:39.265>know <00:36:39.464>you <00:36:39.665>told <00:36:39.865>me <00:36:40.064>before <00:36:40.265>the,

834
00:36:40.785 --> 00:36:43.525
<00:36:40.785>before <00:36:40.940>the <00:36:41.096>presentation <00:36:41.251>started, <00:36:41.407>you <00:36:41.562>have <00:36:41.718>a <00:36:41.873>light <00:36:42.029>cold, <00:36:42.185>so,

835
00:36:43.985 --> 00:36:46.005
<00:36:43.985>so <00:36:44.160>I <00:36:44.335>hope <00:36:44.510>that <00:36:44.685>you <00:36:44.860>will <00:36:45.035>get <00:36:45.210>well <00:36:45.385>soon

836
00:36:46.345 --> 00:36:48.485
<00:36:46.345>and <00:36:46.625>thanks <00:36:46.904>again <00:36:47.185>for <00:36:47.464>the <00:36:47.745>presentation

837
00:36:48.665 --> 00:36:50.405
<00:36:48.665>and <00:36:48.898>hopefully <00:36:49.131>see <00:36:49.365>you <00:36:49.598>also <00:36:49.831>in <00:36:50.065>person

838
00:36:50.425 --> 00:36:52.005
<00:36:50.425>at <00:36:50.658>some <00:36:50.891>events <00:36:51.125>in <00:36:51.358>the <00:36:51.591>future. <00:36:51.825>Yeah,

839
00:36:52.005 --> 00:36:53.005
<00:36:52.005>Perfect. <00:36:52.305>Thanks <00:36:52.605>for <00:36:52.905>having

840
00:36:53.005 --> 00:36:54.445
<00:36:53.005>me <00:36:53.221>and <00:36:53.437>I <00:36:53.653>hope <00:36:53.869>to <00:36:54.085>be <00:36:54.301>back.

841
00:36:54.605 --> 00:36:57.445
<00:36:54.605>I <00:36:54.780>think <00:36:54.955>the <00:36:55.130>developer <00:36:55.305>Via <00:36:55.480>Developers <00:36:55.655>conference <00:36:55.830>two <00:36:56.005>years

842
00:36:57.465 --> 00:36:59.485
<00:36:57.465>ago <00:36:57.698>was <00:36:57.931>one <00:36:58.165>of <00:36:58.398>the <00:36:58.631>best <00:36:58.865>conferences

843
00:36:59.485 --> 00:37:00.805
<00:36:59.485>that <00:36:59.722>I <00:36:59.960>attended <00:37:00.197>at <00:37:00.435>that <00:37:00.673>year.

844
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