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00:22:16.496 --> 00:22:20.476 <00:22:16.496>That <00:22:16.603>is <00:22:16.711>quite <00:22:16.819>normal. <00:22:16.926>You <00:22:17.034>say, <00:22:17.142>"No, <00:22:17.249>don't <00:22:17.357>do <00:22:17.465>that." <00:22:17.572>But <00:22:17.680>just <00:22:17.788>in <00:22:17.896>case, 530 00:22:20.896 --> 00:22:22.976 <00:22:20.896>clear <00:22:21.245>communication <00:22:21.596>and <00:22:21.946>clear <00:22:22.296>agreement- 531 00:22:23.066 --> 00:22:23.066 Mm-hmm 532 00:22:23.076 --> 00:22:24.896 <00:22:23.076>... <00:22:23.356>do <00:22:23.636>not <00:22:23.916>stole <00:22:24.196>my <00:22:24.476>passwords. 533 00:22:26.016 --> 00:22:26.336 Please. 534 00:22:26.526 --> 00:22:27.556 <00:22:26.526>Yeah, <00:22:26.757>please. <00:22:26.989>Okay. <00:22:27.221>And <00:22:27.453>this- 535 00:22:28.036 --> 00:22:31.466 <00:22:28.036>And <00:22:28.136>also, <00:22:28.236>it's <00:22:28.336>very <00:22:28.436>important <00:22:28.536>what <00:22:28.636>you <00:22:28.736>say 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<00:24:42.995>granted <00:24:43.276>by 594 00:24:45.812 --> 00:24:49.372 <00:24:45.812>The <00:24:45.986>TL <00:24:46.161>in <00:24:46.337>the <00:24:46.512>moment <00:24:46.687>and <00:24:46.861>my <00:24:47.036>mentor <00:24:47.212>in 595 00:24:49.832 --> 00:24:53.692 <00:24:49.832>the <00:24:49.948>architecture <00:24:50.065>group. <00:24:50.182>Right <00:24:50.298>now, <00:24:50.415>they <00:24:50.532>are <00:24:50.648>not <00:24:50.765>with <00:24:50.882>me, <00:24:50.998>and <00:24:51.115>I <00:24:51.232>really 596 00:24:53.732 --> 00:24:56.652 <00:24:53.732>love <00:24:53.932>them, <00:24:54.132>but <00:24:54.331>I <00:24:54.532>feel <00:24:54.732>that <00:24:54.932>I <00:24:55.132>have, 597 00:24:58.332 --> 00:25:02.172 <00:24:58.332>in <00:24:58.612>one <00:24:58.892>hand, <00:24:59.172>the <00:24:59.452>title <00:24:59.732>given 598 00:25:02.232 --> 00:25:05.672 <00:25:02.232>by <00:25:02.372>this <00:25:02.512>TL, <00:25:02.652>on <00:25:02.792>the <00:25:02.932>other <00:25:03.072>hand, <00:25:03.212>I <00:25:03.351>have <00:25:03.492>the <00:25:03.632>knowledge 599 00:25:06.112 --> 00:25:07.532 <00:25:06.112>given <00:25:06.538>by <00:25:06.964>this <00:25:07.389>mentor. 600 00:25:07.922 --> 00:25:07.922 Mm-hmm. 601 00:25:08.012 --> 00:25:08.652 So 602 00:25:09.512 --> 00:25:13.132 <00:25:09.512>I <00:25:09.667>remember <00:25:09.823>feeling <00:25:09.978>really, <00:25:10.134>really <00:25:10.289>bad <00:25:10.445>and <00:25:10.600>very <00:25:10.756>insecure <00:25:10.912>when 603 00:25:13.352 --> 00:25:16.942 <00:25:13.352>I <00:25:13.632>was <00:25:13.912>talking <00:25:14.192>to <00:25:14.472>my <00:25:14.752>developers. 604 00:25:18.251 --> 00:25:22.212 <00:25:18.251>When <00:25:18.367>someone <00:25:18.484>says, <00:25:18.601>"Okay, <00:25:18.717>I <00:25:18.834>not <00:25:18.951>agree <00:25:19.067>with <00:25:19.184>that," <00:25:19.301>and <00:25:19.417>suddenly <00:25:19.534>I <00:25:19.651>feel 605 00:25:22.252 --> 00:25:23.572 <00:25:22.252>that <00:25:22.648>my <00:25:23.043>authority <00:25:23.439>crack. 606 00:25:24.132 --> 00:25:24.452 Yeah. 607 00:25:24.512 --> 00:25:24.652 And 608 00:25:26.292 --> 00:25:29.652 <00:25:26.292>with <00:25:26.492>these <00:25:26.692>disagreements <00:25:26.891>and <00:25:27.091>knowing <00:25:27.292>a <00:25:27.492>little <00:25:27.692>bit 609 00:25:30.932 --> 00:25:34.592 <00:25:30.932>more <00:25:31.072>about <00:25:31.212>myself, <00:25:31.352>I <00:25:31.492>just <00:25:31.632>discovered <00:25:31.772>that <00:25:31.912>was <00:25:32.052>my <00:25:32.192>proper <00:25:32.332>insecurity. 610 00:25:34.912 --> 00:25:34.962 Yeah. 611 00:25:35.012 --> 00:25:36.092 Because 612 00:25:37.152 --> 00:25:37.352 if 613 00:25:38.312 --> 00:25:40.792 <00:25:38.312>I <00:25:38.591>don't <00:25:38.871>let <00:25:39.151>these <00:25:39.431>people <00:25:39.712>talk, 614 00:25:42.212 --> 00:25:45.512 <00:25:42.212>then <00:25:42.387>we <00:25:42.562>kill <00:25:42.737>what <00:25:42.912>is <00:25:43.087>the <00:25:43.262>main <00:25:43.437>point <00:25:43.612>of 615 00:25:46.492 --> 00:25:48.072 <00:25:46.492>a <00:25:47.192>development <00:25:47.892>group. 616 00:25:48.112 --> 00:25:48.192 Yeah. 617 00:25:48.252 --> 00:25:50.942 <00:25:48.252>That <00:25:48.427>the <00:25:48.601>multiple <00:25:48.777>voice, <00:25:48.952>this <00:25:49.127>discussion <00:25:49.302>that <00:25:49.476>we <00:25:49.652>have- 618 00:25:50.942 --> 00:25:52.792 <00:25:50.942>We <00:25:51.142>are <00:25:51.342>going <00:25:51.542>to <00:25:51.742>talk <00:25:51.942>about <00:25:52.142>that <00:25:52.342>later. 619 00:25:53.052 --> 00:25:53.062 Yes. 620 00:25:53.072 --> 00:25:54.452 <00:25:53.072>We <00:25:53.486>have <00:25:53.900>an <00:25:54.314>idea. 621 00:25:54.972 --> 00:25:58.412 <00:25:54.972>These <00:25:55.127>voices <00:25:55.283>that <00:25:55.438>we <00:25:55.594>have. <00:25:55.749>Well, <00:25:55.905>I <00:25:56.060>work <00:25:56.216>on <00:25:56.372>my 622 00:25:58.452 --> 00:26:02.212 <00:25:58.452>insecurity <00:25:58.652>and <00:25:58.852>what <00:25:59.052>I <00:25:59.252>hope <00:25:59.452>that <00:25:59.652>I <00:25:59.852>try 623 00:26:02.272 --> 00:26:05.032 <00:26:02.272>is <00:26:02.472>to <00:26:02.672>give <00:26:02.871>more <00:26:03.072>force <00:26:03.272>to <00:26:03.472>that <00:26:03.672>voice 624 00:26:06.432 --> 00:26:07.712 <00:26:06.432>who <00:26:06.816>disagree <00:26:07.200>with <00:26:07.584>me. 625 00:26:07.732 --> 00:26:07.852 Yep. 626 00:26:07.882 --> 00:26:09.072 <00:26:07.882>And <00:26:08.417>funny <00:26:08.953>thing, 627 00:26:09.992 --> 00:26:13.892 <00:26:09.992>giving <00:26:10.225>that <00:26:10.458>is <00:26:10.692>what <00:26:10.925>make <00:26:11.158>me <00:26:11.392>apart... 628 00:26:14.092 --> 00:26:14.712 <00:26:14.092>Well, <00:26:14.371>I <00:26:14.650>don't 629 00:26:15.632 --> 00:26:17.692 <00:26:15.632>like <00:26:15.865>to <00:26:16.098>say <00:26:16.332>that, <00:26:16.565>but <00:26:16.798>that <00:26:17.032>was 630 00:26:19.592 --> 00:26:21.952 <00:26:19.592>what <00:26:19.872>give <00:26:20.152>me <00:26:20.432>back <00:26:20.712>the <00:26:20.992>authority. 631 00:26:22.032 --> 00:26:22.322 Mm-hmm. 632 00:26:22.352 --> 00:26:23.822 <00:26:22.352>And <00:26:22.682>right <00:26:23.013>now, <00:26:23.344>because <00:26:23.675>I- 633 00:26:23.832 --> 00:26:24.842 <00:26:23.832>Give <00:26:24.013>the <00:26:24.195>liberty <00:26:24.377>and <00:26:24.559>the <00:26:24.741>freedom- 634 00:26:24.852 --> 00:26:25.592 Exactly 635 00:26:25.672 --> 00:26:25.702 <00:26:25.672>... <00:26:25.678>for <00:26:25.685>people <00:26:25.692>to <00:26:25.699>talk. 636 00:26:25.702 --> 00:26:26.472 <00:26:25.702>And <00:26:26.048>because <00:26:26.395>I 637 00:26:27.372 --> 00:26:27.472 am 638 00:26:28.312 --> 00:26:32.052 <00:26:28.312>like <00:26:28.452>this, <00:26:28.591>then <00:26:28.732>when <00:26:28.871>I <00:26:29.012>say <00:26:29.151>something, <00:26:29.292>I <00:26:29.431>feel <00:26:29.572>that <00:26:29.712>they 639 00:26:32.172 --> 00:26:34.092 <00:26:32.172>can <00:26:32.452>say, <00:26:32.732>"Okay, <00:26:33.012>architect <00:26:33.292>said <00:26:33.572>that. 640 00:26:34.172 --> 00:26:35.232 <00:26:34.172>Let's <00:26:34.490>do <00:26:34.808>that," <00:26:35.126>or- 641 00:26:35.332 --> 00:26:36.002 <00:26:35.332>They <00:26:35.482>challenge <00:26:35.633>that <00:26:35.784>mindset. <00:26:35.935>Mm-hmm 642 00:26:36.002 --> 00:26:39.832 <00:26:36.002>... <00:26:36.129>exactly. <00:26:36.256>Because <00:26:36.383>for <00:26:36.511>me, <00:26:36.638>being <00:26:36.765>a <00:26:36.892>leader, <00:26:37.020>or <00:26:37.147>in <00:26:37.274>this <00:26:37.402>case, 643 00:26:40.032 --> 00:26:43.992 <00:26:40.032>being <00:26:40.206>in <00:26:40.381>a <00:26:40.557>position <00:26:40.732>of <00:26:40.907>authority, <00:26:41.081>is <00:26:41.256>not <00:26:41.432>have 644 00:26:44.012 --> 00:26:46.992 <00:26:44.012>the <00:26:44.212>last <00:26:44.412>word. <00:26:44.611>Is <00:26:44.812>having <00:26:45.012>that <00:26:45.212>word <00:26:45.412>that 645 00:26:47.772 --> 00:26:50.532 <00:26:47.772>let <00:26:48.005>the <00:26:48.238>communication, <00:26:48.472>that <00:26:48.705>let <00:26:48.938>the <00:26:49.172>conversation- 646 00:26:51.332 --> 00:26:51.752 <00:26:51.332>I <00:26:51.521>feel <00:26:51.710>like- 647 00:26:51.782 --> 00:26:52.112 <00:26:51.782>... <00:26:52.079>moving 648 00:26:52.192 --> 00:26:56.132 <00:26:52.192>... <00:26:52.308>a <00:26:52.425>good <00:26:52.542>architect <00:26:52.658>is <00:26:52.775>the <00:26:52.892>one <00:26:53.008>that <00:26:53.125>is <00:26:53.242>able <00:26:53.358>to <00:26:53.475>convince <00:26:53.592>you. 649 00:26:56.712 --> 00:26:56.852 Yes. 650 00:26:57.052 --> 00:26:59.212 <00:26:57.052>Not <00:26:57.226>say, <00:26:57.401>"This <00:26:57.577>is <00:26:57.752>the <00:26:57.927>way <00:26:58.101>to <00:26:58.276>do <00:26:58.452>that." 651 00:26:59.732 --> 00:26:59.812 Yes. 652 00:26:59.932 --> 00:27:03.912 <00:26:59.932>You <00:27:00.059>probably, <00:27:00.186>as <00:27:00.313>an <00:27:00.441>architect, <00:27:00.568>know <00:27:00.695>more <00:27:00.822>than <00:27:00.950>me <00:27:01.077>on <00:27:01.204>that <00:27:01.332>topic, 653 00:27:04.612 --> 00:27:08.452 <00:27:04.612>and <00:27:04.719>I <00:27:04.827>do <00:27:04.935>accept <00:27:05.042>that. <00:27:05.150>But <00:27:05.258>I'm <00:27:05.365>not <00:27:05.473>stupid, <00:27:05.581>I <00:27:05.688>hope <00:27:05.796>so <00:27:05.904>at <00:27:06.012>least. 654 00:27:09.112 --> 00:27:09.252 So 655 00:27:10.612 --> 00:27:12.592 <00:27:10.612>convince <00:27:10.892>me. <00:27:11.172>If <00:27:11.452>I'm <00:27:11.732>challenging <00:27:12.012>you- 656 00:27:12.612 --> 00:27:12.832 Yeah 657 00:27:12.972 --> 00:27:13.072 <00:27:12.972>... <00:27:13.016>is <00:27:13.062>I 658 00:27:14.012 --> 00:27:17.512 <00:27:14.012>do <00:27:14.119>not <00:27:14.227>consider 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<00:27:26.312>with 663 00:27:28.692 --> 00:27:29.332 <00:27:28.692>stupid <00:27:29.268>people. 664 00:27:29.412 --> 00:27:29.472 No. 665 00:27:29.612 --> 00:27:30.992 <00:27:29.612>If <00:27:30.026>not, <00:27:30.440>change <00:27:30.854>company. 666 00:27:31.972 --> 00:27:35.352 <00:27:31.972>If <00:27:32.079>you <00:27:32.187>consider <00:27:32.295>that <00:27:32.402>your <00:27:32.510>devs <00:27:32.618>are <00:27:32.725>stupid <00:27:32.833>and <00:27:32.941>they're <00:27:33.048>not <00:27:33.156>going <00:27:33.264>to <00:27:33.372>understand, 667 00:27:36.772 --> 00:27:38.252 <00:27:36.772>you're <00:27:37.038>not <00:27:37.304>creating <00:27:37.571>a <00:27:37.837>good <00:27:38.104>environment. 668 00:27:38.492 --> 00:27:38.752 <00:27:38.492>For <00:27:38.726>sure. 669 00:27:38.772 --> 00:27:42.712 <00:27:38.772>You <00:27:38.888>should <00:27:39.005>be <00:27:39.121>in <00:27:39.238>a <00:27:39.355>position <00:27:39.472>of <00:27:39.588>saying, <00:27:39.705>"Okay, 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--> 00:28:41.472 <00:28:37.892>If <00:28:38.019>you <00:28:38.146>a <00:28:38.273>lot <00:28:38.401>of <00:28:38.528>time <00:28:38.655>give <00:28:38.782>you <00:28:38.910>a <00:28:39.037>very <00:28:39.164>good <00:28:39.292>answer- 694 00:28:41.532 --> 00:28:42.072 Exactly 695 00:28:42.192 --> 00:28:46.052 <00:28:42.192>... <00:28:42.292>I <00:28:42.392>do <00:28:42.492>believe <00:28:42.592>in <00:28:42.692>you. <00:28:42.792>Of <00:28:42.892>course, <00:28:42.992>I'm <00:28:43.092>going <00:28:43.192>to <00:28:43.292>think <00:28:43.392>and <00:28:43.492>to <00:28:43.592>challenge 696 00:28:46.212 --> 00:28:48.632 <00:28:46.212>if <00:28:46.412>needed, <00:28:46.612>but <00:28:46.812>you <00:28:47.012>are <00:28:47.212>creating <00:28:47.412>this <00:28:47.612>basis- 697 00:28:48.692 --> 00:28:48.792 Yes 698 00:28:48.852 --> 00:28:51.492 <00:28:48.852>... <00:28:48.979>where <00:28:49.106>I <00:28:49.233>say, <00:28:49.361>"Okay, <00:28:49.488>this <00:28:49.615>is <00:28:49.742>a 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<00:29:03.952>you <00:29:04.052>need <00:29:04.152>to <00:29:04.252>have <00:29:04.351>this <00:29:04.452>high <00:29:04.552>esteem. <00:29:04.652>No. 705 00:29:07.772 --> 00:29:07.782 Exactly. 706 00:29:07.782 --> 00:29:10.472 <00:29:07.782>This <00:29:07.889>is <00:29:07.997>a <00:29:08.105>person <00:29:08.212>that <00:29:08.320>I <00:29:08.428>consider <00:29:08.535>that <00:29:08.643>is <00:29:08.751>very <00:29:08.858>good <00:29:08.966>at <00:29:09.074>this <00:29:09.182>job. 707 00:29:10.902 --> 00:29:13.852 <00:29:10.902>And <00:29:11.018>for <00:29:11.135>this <00:29:11.252>reason, <00:29:11.368>I <00:29:11.485>consider <00:29:11.602>that <00:29:11.718>it's <00:29:11.835>good <00:29:11.952>to <00:29:12.068>be <00:29:12.185>the <00:29:12.302>architect- 708 00:29:13.862 --> 00:29:13.862 Exactly 709 00:29:13.872 --> 00:29:17.632 <00:29:13.872>... <00:29:13.965>of <00:29:14.058>this <00:29:14.152>team, <00:29:14.245>and <00:29:14.338>I <00:29:14.432>do <00:29:14.525>want 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<00:30:24.192>reason." 744 00:30:24.952 --> 00:30:25.142 Mm-hmm. 745 00:30:25.222 --> 00:30:28.512 <00:30:25.222>Then <00:30:25.309>you <00:30:25.397>are <00:30:25.484>going <00:30:25.572>to <00:30:25.659>support <00:30:25.747>me <00:30:25.834>because <00:30:25.922>we <00:30:26.009>know <00:30:26.097>that <00:30:26.184>we <00:30:26.272>are <00:30:26.359>on <00:30:26.447>the <00:30:26.534>same <00:30:26.622>page. 746 00:30:28.772 --> 00:30:28.782 Yeah. 747 00:30:28.782 --> 00:30:31.231 <00:30:28.782>You <00:30:28.909>are <00:30:29.036>going <00:30:29.163>to <00:30:29.291>let <00:30:29.418>me <00:30:29.545>take <00:30:29.672>that <00:30:29.800>critical <00:30:29.927>decisions <00:30:30.054>on <00:30:30.182>this. 748 00:30:31.272 --> 00:30:32.332 <00:30:31.272>And <00:30:31.510>also, <00:30:31.749>I <00:30:31.987>feel <00:30:32.226>like 749 00:30:33.152 --> 00:30:36.972 <00:30:33.152>I <00:30:33.307>do <00:30:33.463>not <00:30:33.618>like <00:30:33.774>the <00:30:33.929>idea 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00:31:10.316 <00:31:06.476>So <00:31:06.616>I've <00:31:06.756>taken <00:31:06.896>a <00:31:07.036>person <00:31:07.176>and <00:31:07.316>say, <00:31:07.456>if <00:31:07.596>we <00:31:07.736>want, <00:31:07.876>of 760 00:31:10.356 --> 00:31:12.156 <00:31:10.356>course, <00:31:10.589>he's <00:31:10.822>going <00:31:11.056>to <00:31:11.289>postulate <00:31:11.522>for <00:31:11.756>that. 761 00:31:12.576 --> 00:31:14.536 <00:31:12.576>You're <00:31:12.856>going <00:31:13.136>to <00:31:13.416>lead <00:31:13.696>this <00:31:13.976>feature. 762 00:31:14.616 --> 00:31:18.336 <00:31:14.616>So <00:31:14.732>you're <00:31:14.849>going <00:31:14.966>to <00:31:15.082>take <00:31:15.199>care <00:31:15.316>of <00:31:15.432>speak <00:31:15.549>with <00:31:15.666>business <00:31:15.782>analyst, <00:31:15.899>with <00:31:16.016>the 763 00:31:18.376 --> 00:31:21.296 <00:31:18.376>client, <00:31:18.516>with <00:31:18.656>stakeholder, <00:31:18.796>et <00:31:18.936>cetera. <00:31:19.076>You're 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<00:32:02.796>on <00:32:03.076>switch <00:32:03.356>on <00:32:03.636>that. 779 00:32:04.296 --> 00:32:04.386 Yes. 780 00:32:04.386 --> 00:32:08.326 <00:32:04.386>Yeah. <00:32:04.502>So <00:32:04.619>at <00:32:04.735>some <00:32:04.852>point, <00:32:04.969>you <00:32:05.086>are <00:32:05.202>the <00:32:05.319>person <00:32:05.436>with <00:32:05.552>the <00:32:05.669>authority, <00:32:05.786>you 781 00:32:08.356 --> 00:32:10.536 <00:32:08.356>are <00:32:08.636>the <00:32:08.916>person <00:32:09.196>with <00:32:09.476>the <00:32:09.756>knowledge- 782 00:32:10.616 --> 00:32:10.626 Mm 783 00:32:10.626 --> 00:32:14.376 <00:32:10.626>... <00:32:10.753>not <00:32:10.880>authority <00:32:11.007>from <00:32:11.135>knowledge, <00:32:11.262>and <00:32:11.389>the <00:32:11.516>other <00:32:11.644>moment, <00:32:11.771>I <00:32:11.898>am <00:32:12.026>the 784 00:32:14.416 --> 00:32:17.556 <00:32:14.416>person <00:32:14.591>with <00:32:14.765>more <00:32:14.941>authority <00:32:15.116>and 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<00:32:40.596>decide <00:32:40.736>before <00:32:40.876>asking <00:32:41.016>for <00:32:41.156>the <00:32:41.296>grade <00:32:41.436>change. <00:32:41.576>Yeah, <00:32:41.716>totally. 798 00:32:44.316 --> 00:32:48.176 <00:32:44.316>But <00:32:44.409>by <00:32:44.502>the <00:32:44.596>way, <00:32:44.689>maybe <00:32:44.782>something <00:32:44.876>that <00:32:44.969>could <00:32:45.062>be <00:32:45.156>good <00:32:45.249>is <00:32:45.342>to <00:32:45.436>clarify <00:32:45.529>what's <00:32:45.622>a <00:32:45.716>safe 799 00:32:48.296 --> 00:32:49.126 <00:32:48.296>space. <00:32:48.669>I <00:32:49.043>hope- 800 00:32:49.156 --> 00:32:49.166 Mm-hmm 801 00:32:49.166 --> 00:32:51.976 <00:32:49.166>... <00:32:49.341>it's <00:32:49.515>something <00:32:49.691>that <00:32:49.866>in <00:32:50.041>general <00:32:50.216>people <00:32:50.390>know <00:32:50.566>about. 802 00:32:52.146 --> 00:32:52.536 Totally. 803 00:32:53.376 --> 00:32:56.656 <00:32:53.376>But <00:32:53.483>my <00:32:53.591>definition, <00:32:53.699>because <00:32:53.806>there <00:32:53.914>are <00:32:54.022>a <00:32:54.129>lot <00:32:54.237>of <00:32:54.345>definition <00:32:54.452>of <00:32:54.560>safe <00:32:54.668>space, <00:32:54.776>the 804 00:32:56.756 --> 00:32:59.476 <00:32:56.756>definition <00:32:56.931>that <00:32:57.106>I <00:32:57.281>do <00:32:57.456>like <00:32:57.631>is <00:32:57.806>that <00:32:57.981>it's <00:32:58.156>a 805 00:33:00.776 --> 00:33:04.536 <00:33:00.776>place <00:33:00.916>where <00:33:01.056>you <00:33:01.196>can <00:33:01.336>be <00:33:01.476>yourself, <00:33:01.616>you <00:33:01.756>feel <00:33:01.896>protected, <00:33:02.036>and <00:33:02.176>you 806 00:33:04.596 --> 00:33:08.056 <00:33:04.596>feel <00:33:04.829>respected. <00:33:05.062>Okay? <00:33:05.296>This <00:33:05.529>all, <00:33:05.762>of <00:33:05.996>course, 807 00:33:09.016 --> 00:33:12.876 <00:33:09.016>doesn't <00:33:09.123>mean, <00:33:09.231>as <00:33:09.339>I <00:33:09.446>said <00:33:09.554>before, <00:33:09.662>that <00:33:09.769>you <00:33:09.877>can <00:33:09.985>do <00:33:10.092>everything <00:33:10.200>or <00:33:10.308>you <00:33:10.416>can- 808 00:33:13.096 --> 00:33:13.576 <00:33:13.096>Mm-hmm. <00:33:13.528>Exactly 809 00:33:13.586 --> 00:33:16.976 <00:33:13.586>... <00:33:13.673>speak <00:33:13.761>bad <00:33:13.848>with <00:33:13.936>people <00:33:14.023>and <00:33:14.111>say <00:33:14.198>like, <00:33:14.286>"No, <00:33:14.373>that's <00:33:14.461>a <00:33:14.548>safe <00:33:14.636>space, <00:33:14.723>so <00:33:14.811>I <00:33:14.898>can't <00:33:14.986>offend 810 00:33:17.016 --> 00:33:17.336 <00:33:17.016>you." <00:33:17.304>No. 811 00:33:18.196 --> 00:33:18.346 <00:33:18.196>That's <00:33:18.331>not. 812 00:33:18.346 --> 00:33:21.736 <00:33:18.346>And <00:33:18.521>you <00:33:18.696>know <00:33:18.871>why? <00:33:19.046>Because <00:33:19.221>we <00:33:19.396>already <00:33:19.571>set <00:33:19.746>boundaries. 813 00:33:21.936 --> 00:33:23.916 <00:33:21.936>Yeah. <00:33:22.136>So <00:33:22.336>do <00:33:22.535>not <00:33:22.735>offend <00:33:22.936>me, <00:33:23.136>please, <00:33:23.336>okay? 814 00:33:24.396 --> 00:33:25.266 <00:33:24.396>But <00:33:24.591>I <00:33:24.787>want <00:33:24.983>you <00:33:25.179>to- 815 00:33:25.276 --> 00:33:25.916 <00:33:25.276>Treat <00:33:25.564>me <00:33:25.851>well. 816 00:33:26.245 --> 00:33:29.976 <00:33:26.245>Yeah, <00:33:26.361>to <00:33:26.478>be <00:33:26.594>able <00:33:26.711>to <00:33:26.828>talk, <00:33:26.945>to <00:33:27.061>express <00:33:27.178>your <00:33:27.294>needs <00:33:27.411>in <00:33:27.528>a <00:33:27.645>safe 817 00:33:30.076 --> 00:33:33.656 <00:33:30.076>space. <00:33:30.203>This <00:33:30.330>doesn't <00:33:30.457>mean <00:33:30.585>that <00:33:30.712>I <00:33:30.839>always <00:33:30.966>going <00:33:31.094>to <00:33:31.221>accept <00:33:31.348>your <00:33:31.476>boundaries- 818 00:33:33.716 --> 00:33:34.096 Exactly 819 00:33:34.116 --> 00:33:37.936 <00:33:34.116>... <00:33:34.291>or <00:33:34.466>your <00:33:34.641>proposal <00:33:34.816>of <00:33:34.991>boundaries, <00:33:35.166>and <00:33:35.341>not <00:33:35.516>always 820 00:33:38.036 --> 00:33:41.536 <00:33:38.036>possible, <00:33:38.136>maybe <00:33:38.236>not <00:33:38.336>to <00:33:38.436>do <00:33:38.536>that, <00:33:38.636>but <00:33:38.736>that <00:33:38.836>there <00:33:38.936>is <00:33:39.036>this <00:33:39.136>space <00:33:39.236>where <00:33:39.336>we <00:33:39.436>can 821 00:33:41.576 --> 00:33:42.096 discuss. 822 00:33:42.416 --> 00:33:42.666 Mm-hmm. 823 00:33:42.756 --> 00:33:46.136 <00:33:42.756>And <00:33:42.883>you <00:33:43.010>know <00:33:43.137>that <00:33:43.265>I'm <00:33:43.392>not <00:33:43.519>going <00:33:43.646>to <00:33:43.774>be <00:33:43.901>offended <00:33:44.028>for <00:33:44.156>that. 824 00:33:46.316 --> 00:33:48.536 <00:33:46.316>I'm <00:33:46.471>not <00:33:46.627>going <00:33:46.782>to <00:33:46.938>treat <00:33:47.093>you <00:33:47.249>in <00:33:47.404>a <00:33:47.560>different <00:33:47.716>way- 825 00:33:48.816 --> 00:33:48.866 Mm-hmm 826 00:33:48.896 --> 00:33:52.756 <00:33:48.896>... <00:33:49.036>because <00:33:49.176>you <00:33:49.316>expressed <00:33:49.456>that, <00:33:49.596>and <00:33:49.735>we <00:33:49.876>are <00:33:50.015>having <00:33:50.156>a <00:33:50.296>conversation 827 00:33:52.836 --> 00:33:53.536 <00:33:52.836>say, <00:33:53.466>"Okay, 828 00:33:54.436 --> 00:33:54.676 what 829 00:33:55.596 --> 00:33:57.316 <00:33:55.596>we <00:33:55.829>can <00:33:56.062>do <00:33:56.296>to <00:33:56.529>solve <00:33:56.762>this <00:33:56.996>problem?" 830 00:33:57.396 --> 00:33:57.656 Exactly. 831 00:33:57.676 --> 00:34:01.206 <00:33:57.676>This <00:33:57.792>is <00:33:57.909>your <00:33:58.025>need, <00:33:58.142>this <00:33:58.259>is <00:33:58.376>my <00:33:58.492>need, <00:33:58.609>because <00:33:58.726>I <00:33:58.842>also <00:33:58.959>have <00:33:59.076>needs 832 00:34:01.256 --> 00:34:01.706 that 833 00:34:02.996 --> 00:34:06.596 <00:34:02.996>what <00:34:03.112>we <00:34:03.229>can <00:34:03.346>do, <00:34:03.462>where <00:34:03.579>is <00:34:03.696>this, <00:34:03.812>not <00:34:03.929>middle <00:34:04.046>point <00:34:04.162>that <00:34:04.279>we <00:34:04.396>can 834 00:34:07.416 --> 00:34:07.736 find. 835 00:34:08.766 --> 00:34:08.766 Mm-hmm. 836 00:34:08.766 --> 00:34:12.417 <00:34:08.766>And <00:34:08.893>something <00:34:09.020>that <00:34:09.147>is <00:34:09.275>super <00:34:09.402>complicated <00:34:09.529>about <00:34:09.656>safe <00:34:09.784>space <00:34:09.911>is <00:34:10.038>that <00:34:10.166>it's 837 00:34:12.816 --> 00:34:16.756 <00:34:12.815>personal. <00:34:12.932>There's <00:34:13.049>not <00:34:13.165>something <00:34:13.282>that <00:34:13.399>you <00:34:13.515>say, <00:34:13.632>"If <00:34:13.749>you <00:34:13.866>do <00:34:13.982>this <00:34:14.099>way, <00:34:14.216>this 838 00:34:16.776 --> 00:34:17.897 <00:34:16.775>person <00:34:16.977>is <00:34:17.179>going <00:34:17.381>to <00:34:17.583>be <00:34:17.784>safe." 839 00:34:17.937 --> 00:34:18.377 Exactly. 840 00:34:18.556 --> 00:34:21.305 <00:34:18.556>Because <00:34:18.789>safeness <00:34:19.022>is <00:34:19.255>something <00:34:19.489>related <00:34:19.722>from <00:34:19.956>the 841 00:34:21.457 --> 00:34:24.457 <00:34:21.456>experience <00:34:21.737>of <00:34:22.016>the <00:34:22.297>other <00:34:22.576>person. <00:34:22.857>Okay? 842 00:34:25.056 --> 00:34:28.397 <00:34:25.056>And <00:34:25.196>the <00:34:25.336>traumas, <00:34:25.476>I <00:34:25.616>really- <00:34:25.755>... <00:34:25.896>spoken <00:34:26.036>a <00:34:26.176>lot <00:34:26.316>about <00:34:26.456>trauma. 843 00:34:28.576 --> 00:34:30.976 <00:34:28.576>This <00:34:28.809>is <00:34:29.042>our <00:34:29.275>mind, <00:34:29.509>our <00:34:29.742>ways <00:34:29.976>working. 844 00:34:31.096 --> 00:34:31.196 So, 845 00:34:32.656 --> 00:34:36.397 <00:34:32.656>maybe <00:34:32.772>this <00:34:32.889>person <00:34:33.005>have <00:34:33.122>been <00:34:33.239>treated <00:34:33.355>in <00:34:33.472>a <00:34:33.589>different <00:34:33.706>way <00:34:33.822>in <00:34:33.939>a <00:34:34.056>different 846 00:34:36.437 --> 00:34:37.696 <00:34:36.437>company. <00:34:36.663>I <00:34:36.890>don't <00:34:37.116>know. <00:34:37.343>For <00:34:37.570>example- 847 00:34:38.066 --> 00:34:38.136 Mm-hmm 848 00:34:38.176 --> 00:34:41.937 <00:34:38.176>... <00:34:38.292>a <00:34:38.409>person, <00:34:38.525>let's <00:34:38.642>say, <00:34:38.759>in <00:34:38.875>my <00:34:38.992>previous <00:34:39.109>company, <00:34:39.226>they <00:34:39.342>say <00:34:39.459>that <00:34:39.576>they 849 00:34:41.976 --> 00:34:45.596 <00:34:41.976>were <00:34:42.151>a <00:34:42.326>safe <00:34:42.501>space <00:34:42.676>and <00:34:42.851>they <00:34:43.026>fired <00:34:43.201>me <00:34:43.376>after 850 00:34:45.756 --> 00:34:49.556 <00:34:45.755>speaking. <00:34:45.883>Of <00:34:46.010>course, <00:34:46.137>this 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<00:34:58.262>this <00:34:58.495>happened <00:34:58.729>to <00:34:58.962>me <00:34:59.196>again. 856 00:34:59.836 --> 00:35:01.556 <00:34:59.836>So <00:35:00.116>I <00:35:00.395>come <00:35:00.676>into <00:35:00.955>this <00:35:01.236>company- 857 00:35:01.606 --> 00:35:01.606 <00:35:01.606>No, <00:35:01.606>for <00:35:01.606>sure 858 00:35:01.606 --> 00:35:05.516 <00:35:01.606>... <00:35:01.733>with <00:35:01.860>my <00:35:01.987>old <00:35:02.115>trauma, <00:35:02.242>my <00:35:02.369>old <00:35:02.496>bad <00:35:02.624>experience <00:35:02.751>that <00:35:02.878>make <00:35:03.006>me 859 00:35:05.536 --> 00:35:06.516 <00:35:05.536>say, <00:35:05.830>"Hey, <00:35:06.124>no, <00:35:06.418>wait. 860 00:35:07.696 --> 00:35:11.556 <00:35:07.696>Not <00:35:07.803>sure <00:35:07.911>about <00:35:08.019>that." <00:35:08.126>So <00:35:08.234>of <00:35:08.342>course, <00:35:08.449>something <00:35:08.557>that <00:35:08.665>for <00:35:08.772>me <00:35:08.880>is <00:35:08.988>important <00:35:09.096>about 861 00:35:11.636 --> 00:35:13.486 <00:35:11.636>how <00:35:11.869>to <00:35:12.102>create <00:35:12.336>safe <00:35:12.569>space <00:35:12.802>is <00:35:13.036>that 862 00:35:14.796 --> 00:35:15.676 <00:35:14.796>they <00:35:15.060>must <00:35:15.324>be <00:35:15.587>real. 863 00:35:16.276 --> 00:35:16.576 Yes. 864 00:35:16.736 --> 00:35:18.946 <00:35:16.736>You <00:35:16.935>can't <00:35:17.136>say <00:35:17.336>it's <00:35:17.536>a <00:35:17.736>safe <00:35:17.935>space <00:35:18.136>and- 865 00:35:18.996 --> 00:35:19.116 Yes 866 00:35:19.156 --> 00:35:20.616 <00:35:19.156>... <00:35:19.484>after <00:35:19.813>that, <00:35:20.141>take <00:35:20.470>action- 867 00:35:20.996 --> 00:35:21.496 <00:35:20.996>Take <00:35:21.446>action. 868 00:35:21.856 --> 00:35:25.756 <00:35:21.856>... <00:35:21.943>for <00:35:22.031>what <00:35:22.118>a <00:35:22.206>person <00:35:22.293>said <00:35:22.381>because, <00:35:22.468>of <00:35:22.556>course, <00:35:22.643>this 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00:36:03.416 --> 00:36:04.136 <00:36:03.416>You <00:36:03.578>can <00:36:03.740>say, <00:36:03.902>"No, <00:36:04.064>wait, 886 00:36:05.316 --> 00:36:06.246 <00:36:05.316>that's <00:36:05.595>not <00:36:05.874>accepted <00:36:06.153>here." 887 00:36:07.036 --> 00:36:07.266 Mm-hmm. 888 00:36:07.546 --> 00:36:09.416 <00:36:07.546>"No, <00:36:07.826>I'm <00:36:08.106>going <00:36:08.386>to <00:36:08.665>protect <00:36:08.946>you." 889 00:36:09.726 --> 00:36:09.726 Sure. 890 00:36:09.736 --> 00:36:13.636 <00:36:09.736>And <00:36:09.843>you <00:36:09.951>are <00:36:10.059>going <00:36:10.166>to <00:36:10.274>feel, <00:36:10.382>okay, <00:36:10.489>this <00:36:10.597>is <00:36:10.705>a <00:36:10.812>place <00:36:10.920>where <00:36:11.028>I <00:36:11.136>feel 891 00:36:13.676 --> 00:36:14.676 <00:36:13.676>protected. <00:36:14.576>No? 892 00:36:15.116 --> 00:36:18.216 <00:36:15.116>Yeah. <00:36:15.291>And <00:36:15.466>for <00:36:15.641>that, <00:36:15.816>you <00:36:15.991>need 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00:36:55.356 Yeah. 909 00:36:57.124 --> 00:36:58.954 <00:36:57.124>In <00:36:57.357>a <00:36:57.590>tech <00:36:57.823>level, <00:36:58.057>what <00:36:58.290>I <00:36:58.524>discover- 910 00:36:58.954 --> 00:37:00.864 <00:36:58.954>You're <00:36:59.129>creating <00:36:59.304>a <00:36:59.479>real <00:36:59.654>connection <00:36:59.829>when <00:37:00.004>you <00:37:00.179>do <00:37:00.354>it. 911 00:37:00.973 --> 00:37:00.973 Yes. 912 00:37:00.984 --> 00:37:01.644 <00:37:00.984>When <00:37:01.182>you <00:37:01.379>do <00:37:01.578>that. 913 00:37:01.824 --> 00:37:04.864 <00:37:01.824>Because <00:37:01.940>they <00:37:02.057>saw <00:37:02.174>you <00:37:02.290>as <00:37:02.407>a <00:37:02.524>human. <00:37:02.640>For <00:37:02.757>example, <00:37:02.874>in <00:37:02.990>a <00:37:03.107>technical <00:37:03.224>level, 914 00:37:05.444 --> 00:37:09.124 <00:37:05.444>it <00:37:05.724>happens, <00:37:06.004>not <00:37:06.284>the <00:37:06.564>other <00:37:06.844>way, 915 00:37:09.484 --> 00:37:12.844 <00:37:09.484>but <00:37:09.591>a <00:37:09.699>few <00:37:09.807>days <00:37:09.914>ago, <00:37:10.022>I <00:37:10.130>have <00:37:10.237>a <00:37:10.345>really, <00:37:10.453>really <00:37:10.560>bad <00:37:10.668>day <00:37:10.776>because <00:37:10.884>I 916 00:37:12.884 --> 00:37:14.524 <00:37:12.884>was <00:37:13.584>working <00:37:14.284>from 917 00:37:16.644 --> 00:37:20.464 <00:37:16.644>a <00:37:16.783>place <00:37:16.924>and <00:37:17.064>then <00:37:17.203>I <00:37:17.343>have <00:37:17.484>to <00:37:17.624>move, <00:37:17.763>and <00:37:17.904>I <00:37:18.044>took 918 00:37:20.984 --> 00:37:21.144 the 919 00:37:22.104 --> 00:37:24.104 <00:37:22.104>lunch <00:37:22.384>time <00:37:22.663>to <00:37:22.944>make <00:37:23.223>that <00:37:23.504>movement. 920 00:37:24.364 --> 00:37:24.724 Yes. 921 00:37:24.764 --> 00:37:25.264 <00:37:24.764>In <00:37:24.989>the <00:37:25.214>middle- 922 00:37:25.604 --> 00:37:27.044 <00:37:25.604>To <00:37:25.819>move <00:37:26.036>to <00:37:26.252>the <00:37:26.468>other <00:37:26.683>place. <00:37:26.899>Yeah 923 00:37:27.054 --> 00:37:29.024 <00:37:27.054>... <00:37:27.254>to <00:37:27.454>move. <00:37:27.654>We <00:37:27.854>had <00:37:28.054>a <00:37:28.254>critical <00:37:28.454>incident. 924 00:37:29.584 --> 00:37:30.014 <00:37:29.584>With <00:37:29.777>the <00:37:29.971>tape. 925 00:37:30.024 --> 00:37:33.404 <00:37:30.024>Oh <00:37:30.179>my <00:37:30.335>God, <00:37:30.490>all <00:37:30.646>day <00:37:30.801>in <00:37:30.957>meetings. <00:37:31.112>And <00:37:31.268>in <00:37:31.424>this 926 00:37:33.464 --> 00:37:36.584 <00:37:33.464>moment <00:37:33.663>that <00:37:33.864>I <00:37:34.064>move, <00:37:34.264>I <00:37:34.464>take <00:37:34.663>a <00:37:34.864>bus. 927 00:37:37.104 --> 00:37:37.324 Mm-hmm. 928 00:37:37.874 --> 00:37:40.884 <00:37:37.874>And <00:37:38.029>they <00:37:38.185>have <00:37:38.340>a <00:37:38.496>problem <00:37:38.651>with <00:37:38.807>a <00:37:38.962>tire, <00:37:39.118>and <00:37:39.274>we 929 00:37:43.304 --> 00:37:45.344 <00:37:43.304>stay <00:37:43.770>almost <00:37:44.237>one <00:37:44.704>hour- 930 00:37:45.704 --> 00:37:45.714 Blocked 931 00:37:45.714 --> 00:37:46.544 <00:37:45.714>... <00:37:45.962>in <00:37:46.212>the <00:37:46.461>road. 932 00:37:46.584 --> 00:37:46.764 Wow. 933 00:37:46.784 --> 00:37:50.644 <00:37:46.784>Totally <00:37:46.877>blocked <00:37:46.970>until <00:37:47.064>another <00:37:47.157>bus <00:37:47.250>come <00:37:47.344>in <00:37:47.437>and <00:37:47.530>we <00:37:47.624>move, <00:37:47.717>da, <00:37:47.810>da, <00:37:47.904>da, <00:37:47.997>da, <00:37:48.090>da, <00:37:48.184>da. 934 00:37:50.954 --> 00:37:53.144 <00:37:50.954>And <00:37:51.109>I <00:37:51.265>remember <00:37:51.420>that <00:37:51.576>at <00:37:51.731>the <00:37:51.887>end <00:37:52.042>of <00:37:52.198>the <00:37:52.354>day, 935 00:37:54.244 --> 00:37:54.764 <00:37:54.244>one <00:37:54.478>of <00:37:54.712>the 936 00:37:56.444 --> 00:38:00.424 <00:37:56.444>people <00:37:56.599>that <00:37:56.755>we <00:37:56.910>were <00:37:57.066>talking <00:37:57.221>about, <00:37:57.377>she <00:37:57.532>arise <00:37:57.688>a <00:37:57.844>question 937 00:38:01.723 --> 00:38:05.044 <00:38:01.723>from <00:38:02.073>another <00:38:02.423>topic. <00:38:02.773>"Do <00:38:03.123>you 938 00:38:05.684 --> 00:38:08.964 <00:38:05.684>have <00:38:05.824>any <00:38:05.964>time <00:38:06.104>to <00:38:06.244>talk <00:38:06.384>about <00:38:06.524>this <00:38:06.664>and <00:38:06.804>take <00:38:06.944>these <00:38:07.084>decisions? 939 00:38:09.504 --> 00:38:12.364 <00:38:09.504>What <00:38:09.659>do <00:38:09.815>you <00:38:09.970>think?" <00:38:10.126>And <00:38:10.281>I <00:38:10.437>remember <00:38:10.592>that <00:38:10.748>I <00:38:10.904>have 940 00:38:14.384 --> 00:38:17.604 <00:38:14.384>multiple <00:38:14.539>options, <00:38:14.695>but <00:38:14.850>at <00:38:15.006>the <00:38:15.161>end, <00:38:15.317>I <00:38:15.472>have 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<00:38:34.659>enough <00:38:34.834>to <00:38:35.009>have <00:38:35.183>this <00:38:35.359>conversation <00:38:35.534>and <00:38:35.709>take <00:38:35.884>this- 946 00:38:38.944 --> 00:38:39.364 Decision 947 00:38:39.464 --> 00:38:40.644 <00:38:39.464>... <00:38:39.817>exactly, <00:38:40.172>this <00:38:40.526>decision. 948 00:38:40.824 --> 00:38:41.104 Yeah. 949 00:38:41.164 --> 00:38:44.704 <00:38:41.164>Because <00:38:41.364>also <00:38:41.564>sometimes <00:38:41.764>you <00:38:41.964>have <00:38:42.164>to <00:38:42.364>make <00:38:42.564>it, 950 00:38:45.104 --> 00:38:45.584 <00:38:45.104>the <00:38:45.536>decision. 951 00:38:45.874 --> 00:38:45.874 Yeah. 952 00:38:45.874 --> 00:38:48.104 <00:38:45.874>"Do <00:38:46.073>you <00:38:46.274>mind <00:38:46.473>if <00:38:46.674>we <00:38:46.874>talk <00:38:47.073>this <00:38:47.274>tomorrow?" 953 00:38:48.344 --> 00:38:48.554 Mm-hmm. 954 00:38:48.644 --> 00:38:50.324 <00:38:48.644>And <00:38:48.877>the <00:38:49.110>woman <00:38:49.343>says, <00:38:49.577>"Yes, <00:38:49.810>for <00:38:50.044>sure. 955 00:38:50.444 --> 00:38:50.964 <00:38:50.444>No <00:38:50.912>problem." 956 00:38:51.244 --> 00:38:51.414 Mm-hmm. 957 00:38:51.524 --> 00:38:52.174 <00:38:51.524>And <00:38:52.109>probably, 958 00:38:53.864 --> 00:38:57.844 <00:38:53.864>we <00:38:53.971>don't <00:38:54.079>have <00:38:54.187>to <00:38:54.294>be <00:38:54.402>super <00:38:54.510>honest <00:38:54.617>and <00:38:54.725>said, <00:38:54.833>"Uff, <00:38:54.940>I <00:38:55.048>have <00:38:55.156>a <00:38:55.264>really 959 00:38:57.904 --> 00:39:00.144 <00:38:57.904>bad <00:38:58.184>day. <00:38:58.464>I <00:38:58.744>just <00:38:59.024>was <00:38:59.304>crying." 960 00:39:00.154 --> 00:39:02.044 <00:39:00.154>Being <00:39:00.434>honest, <00:39:00.714>but <00:39:00.994>not <00:39:01.274>detailed <00:39:01.554>maybe. 961 00:39:02.114 --> 00:39:02.524 Exactly. 962 00:39:02.674 --> 00:39:02.674 Yeah. 963 00:39:02.674 --> 00:39:06.484 <00:39:02.674>"I <00:39:02.790>was <00:39:02.907>crying <00:39:03.024>because <00:39:03.140>I <00:39:03.257>have <00:39:03.374>this <00:39:03.490>problem <00:39:03.607>with <00:39:03.724>a <00:39:03.840>friend." <00:39:03.957>You <00:39:04.074>don't 964 00:39:06.523 --> 00:39:07.294 <00:39:06.523>have <00:39:06.754>to <00:39:06.985>say <00:39:07.216>that. 965 00:39:07.634 --> 00:39:07.634 Okay. 966 00:39:07.644 --> 00:39:11.564 <00:39:07.644>But <00:39:07.771>you <00:39:07.898>can <00:39:08.025>say, <00:39:08.153>"I'm <00:39:08.280>exhausted. <00:39:08.407>I <00:39:08.534>don't <00:39:08.662>having <00:39:08.789>a <00:39:08.916>good <00:39:09.044>day." 967 00:39:11.624 --> 00:39:11.724 Yeah. 968 00:39:11.794 --> 00:39:14.824 <00:39:11.794>"Do <00:39:11.969>you <00:39:12.144>mind <00:39:12.319>if <00:39:12.493>we <00:39:12.669>have <00:39:12.844>this <00:39:13.019>conversation <00:39:13.194>tomorrow? 969 00:39:15.164 --> 00:39:15.884 <00:39:15.164>Do <00:39:15.488>you <00:39:15.812>mind..." 970 00:39:16.864 --> 00:39:19.044 <00:39:16.864>And <00:39:17.064>go <00:39:17.264>to <00:39:17.464>the <00:39:17.664>level <00:39:17.864>that <00:39:18.064>you <00:39:18.264>want. 971 00:39:19.344 --> 00:39:19.574 <00:39:19.344>Yeah. <00:39:19.551>Yeah. 972 00:39:19.574 --> 00:39:21.884 <00:39:19.574>Maybe <00:39:19.749>you <00:39:19.924>have <00:39:20.099>a <00:39:20.274>really <00:39:20.449>good <00:39:20.624>partner <00:39:20.799>in <00:39:20.974>a 973 00:39:22.804 --> 00:39:25.624 <00:39:22.804>really <00:39:22.959>good <00:39:23.115>college, <00:39:23.270>and <00:39:23.426>maybe <00:39:23.581>you <00:39:23.737>want <00:39:23.892>to <00:39:24.048>be <00:39:24.204>that- 974 00:39:25.644 --> 00:39:26.504 <00:39:25.644>I <00:39:25.837>do <00:39:26.031>speak <00:39:26.224>a <00:39:26.417>lot- 975 00:39:26.744 --> 00:39:26.753 Yes 976 00:39:26.753 --> 00:39:28.924 <00:39:26.753>... <00:39:26.953>with <00:39:27.153>my <00:39:27.353>colleagues <00:39:27.553>about 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<00:41:02.444>situation, <00:41:02.644>maybe. 1013 00:41:03.584 --> 00:41:05.944 <00:41:03.584>Yes, <00:41:03.739>for <00:41:03.895>sure. <00:41:04.050>We <00:41:04.206>don't <00:41:04.361>have <00:41:04.517>to <00:41:04.672>say <00:41:04.828>yes, <00:41:04.984>but- 1014 00:41:05.954 --> 00:41:06.444 <00:41:05.954>Yeah, <00:41:06.101>pay <00:41:06.248>the <00:41:06.395>bills. 1015 00:41:07.004 --> 00:41:08.524 <00:41:07.004>Yeah. <00:41:07.346>I <00:41:07.688>like <00:41:08.029>to <00:41:08.372>pay. 1016 00:41:09.324 --> 00:41:10.844 <00:41:09.324>The <00:41:09.476>bills. <00:41:09.628>No, <00:41:09.780>I <00:41:09.932>don't <00:41:10.084>like <00:41:10.236>to <00:41:10.388>pay <00:41:10.540>the <00:41:10.692>bills. 1017 00:41:10.864 --> 00:41:10.874 <00:41:10.864>No, <00:41:10.868>for <00:41:10.872>sure. 1018 00:41:10.904 --> 00:41:12.244 <00:41:10.904>I <00:41:11.076>need <00:41:11.248>to <00:41:11.420>pay <00:41:11.593>the <00:41:11.765>bills, <00:41:11.937>but <00:41:12.110>okay. 1019 00:41:12.664 --> 00:41:16.424 <00:41:12.664>Also, <00:41:12.819>boundaries <00:41:12.975>are <00:41:13.130>the <00:41:13.286>contours <00:41:13.441>that <00:41:13.597>allow <00:41:13.752>us <00:41:13.908>to <00:41:14.064>be 1020 00:41:16.563 --> 00:41:19.924 <00:41:16.563>vulnerable <00:41:16.738>because <00:41:16.913>if <00:41:17.088>you <00:41:17.263>don't <00:41:17.438>let <00:41:17.613>the <00:41:17.788>boundaries <00:41:17.963>be- 1021 00:41:20.384 --> 00:41:20.434 Mm-hmm 1022 00:41:20.484 --> 00:41:24.364 <00:41:20.484>... <00:41:20.639>maybe <00:41:20.795>you <00:41:20.950>cannot <00:41:21.106>feel <00:41:21.261>safe <00:41:21.417>enough <00:41:21.572>to <00:41:21.728>be <00:41:21.884>vulnerable. 1023 00:41:24.764 --> 00:41:24.774 Yeah. 1024 00:41:24.774 --> 00:41:28.704 <00:41:24.774>And <00:41:24.949>for <00:41:25.124>sure, <00:41:25.299>safer <00:41:25.473>space <00:41:25.649>needs <00:41:25.824>require <00:41:25.999>that <00:41:26.174>vulnerability 1025 00:41:29.004 --> 00:41:32.444 <00:41:29.004>in <00:41:29.131>order <00:41:29.258>to <00:41:29.385>exist, <00:41:29.513>and <00:41:29.640>they <00:41:29.767>are <00:41:29.894>a <00:41:30.022>space <00:41:30.149>that <00:41:30.276>can <00:41:30.404>be 1026 00:41:32.584 --> 00:41:33.024 created. 1027 00:41:33.644 --> 00:41:33.864 Yeah. 1028 00:41:35.204 --> 00:41:39.024 <00:41:35.204>And <00:41:35.359>it's <00:41:35.515>important <00:41:35.670>to <00:41:35.826>remember, <00:41:35.981>it's <00:41:36.137>really, <00:41:36.292>really <00:41:36.448>important <00:41:36.604>to 1029 00:41:39.104 --> 00:41:40.784 <00:41:39.104>remember <00:41:39.803>that <00:41:40.504>this 1030 00:41:41.604 --> 00:41:44.124 <00:41:41.604>is <00:41:41.803>the <00:41:42.004>wannabe. <00:41:42.203>This <00:41:42.404>is <00:41:42.604>a <00:41:42.803>wannabe <00:41:43.004>talk. 1031 00:41:44.184 --> 00:41:44.324 Yeah. 1032 00:41:44.464 --> 00:41:44.994 <00:41:44.464>This <00:41:44.702>is <00:41:44.941>one- 1033 00:41:45.544 --> 00:41:47.204 <00:41:45.544>This <00:41:45.894>is <00:41:46.243>from <00:41:46.594>our <00:41:46.944>experience- 1034 00:41:47.444 --> 00:41:47.904 Exactly 1035 00:41:47.914 --> 00:41:51.664 <00:41:47.914>... <00:41:48.014>what <00:41:48.114>we <00:41:48.214>say <00:41:48.314>this <00:41:48.414>is <00:41:48.514>important <00:41:48.614>to <00:41:48.714>discuss, <00:41:48.814>to <00:41:48.914>talk <00:41:49.014>about <00:41:49.114>with <00:41:49.214>people, <00:41:49.314>to 1036 00:41:51.704 --> 00:41:55.604 <00:41:51.704>create <00:41:51.904>healthy <00:41:52.104>relationship, <00:41:52.304>in <00:41:52.504>general, <00:41:52.704>work <00:41:52.904>and <00:41:53.104>not 1037 00:41:55.664 --> 00:41:56.964 <00:41:55.664>work-related <00:41:56.834>relationship. 1038 00:41:57.224 --> 00:41:57.684 Exactly. 1039 00:41:57.924 --> 00:42:00.544 <00:41:57.924>It's <00:41:58.051>really <00:41:58.178>good <00:41:58.305>to <00:41:58.433>have <00:41:58.560>friends <00:41:58.687>that <00:41:58.814>are <00:41:58.942>safe <00:41:59.069>space <00:41:59.196>for <00:41:59.324>you- 1040 00:42:00.844 --> 00:42:01.044 Yes 1041 00:42:01.064 --> 00:42:02.104 <00:42:01.064>... <00:42:01.220>and <00:42:01.375>where <00:42:01.531>you <00:42:01.687>can <00:42:01.844>be <00:42:02.000>yourself. 1042 00:42:02.244 --> 00:42:02.254 Yeah. 1043 00:42:02.264 --> 00:42:04.724 <00:42:02.264>And <00:42:02.419>of <00:42:02.575>course, <00:42:02.730>it's <00:42:02.886>lovely <00:42:03.041>to <00:42:03.197>have <00:42:03.352>this <00:42:03.508>at <00:42:03.664>work. 1044 00:42:04.904 --> 00:42:08.564 <00:42:04.904>I <00:42:04.997>consider <00:42:05.090>I <00:42:05.184>do <00:42:05.277>have <00:42:05.370>this <00:42:05.464>in <00:42:05.557>my <00:42:05.650>team <00:42:05.744>now, <00:42:05.837>and <00:42:05.930>I'm <00:42:06.024>really <00:42:06.117>happy <00:42:06.210>about <00:42:06.304>that. 1045 00:42:08.804 --> 00:42:08.984 <00:42:08.804>Thank <00:42:08.966>you. 1046 00:42:09.044 --> 00:42:12.984 <00:42:09.044>Yeah, <00:42:09.183>but <00:42:09.324>sometimes <00:42:09.464>you <00:42:09.604>have <00:42:09.743>to <00:42:09.884>be <00:42:10.024>conscious <00:42:10.163>that <00:42:10.304>if <00:42:10.444>you 1047 00:42:13.104 --> 00:42:17.064 <00:42:13.104>don't <00:42:13.231>have <00:42:13.358>that <00:42:13.485>in <00:42:13.613>your <00:42:13.740>life, <00:42:13.867>it's <00:42:13.994>something <00:42:14.122>that <00:42:14.249>we <00:42:14.376>want <00:42:14.504>you 1048 00:42:17.244 --> 00:42:19.854 <00:42:17.244>to <00:42:17.477>look <00:42:17.710>for <00:42:17.944>and <00:42:18.177>try <00:42:18.410>to <00:42:18.644>achieve. 1049 00:42:19.884 --> 00:42:21.564 <00:42:19.884>Take <00:42:20.234>responsibility <00:42:20.584>of <00:42:20.934>your <00:42:21.284>life. 1050 00:42:21.724 --> 00:42:24.124 <00:42:21.724>You <00:42:21.899>are <00:42:22.074>deciding <00:42:22.249>if <00:42:22.424>you <00:42:22.599>want <00:42:22.774>to <00:42:22.949>change <00:42:23.124>job. 1051 00:42:24.424 --> 00:42:28.244 <00:42:24.424>Of <00:42:24.524>course, <00:42:24.624>according <00:42:24.724>to <00:42:24.824>what <00:42:24.924>we <00:42:25.024>said <00:42:25.124>at <00:42:25.224>the <00:42:25.324>beginning, <00:42:25.424>that <00:42:25.524>is <00:42:25.624>according <00:42:25.724>to <00:42:25.824>your 1052 00:42:28.264 --> 00:42:28.724 situation. 1053 00:42:28.734 --> 00:42:28.734 Exactly. 1054 00:42:28.744 --> 00:42:31.634 <00:42:28.744>So <00:42:28.831>maybe <00:42:28.919>there <00:42:29.006>is <00:42:29.094>nothing <00:42:29.181>that <00:42:29.269>you <00:42:29.356>can <00:42:29.444>do <00:42:29.531>at <00:42:29.619>some <00:42:29.706>point, <00:42:29.794>and <00:42:29.881>you <00:42:29.969>need <00:42:30.056>just <00:42:30.144>to- 1055 00:42:32.124 --> 00:42:32.453 <00:42:32.124>Yeah, <00:42:32.420>but- 1056 00:42:32.514 --> 00:42:32.824 <00:42:32.514>... <00:42:32.793>wait- 1057 00:42:33.084 --> 00:42:33.404 <00:42:33.084>You <00:42:33.180>can <00:42:33.276>do 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<00:43:10.744>there. 1072 00:43:12.744 --> 00:43:15.394 <00:43:12.744>Just <00:43:12.977>remember, <00:43:13.210>I'm <00:43:13.444>Elena, <00:43:13.677>and <00:43:13.910>she's <00:43:14.144>Ana. 1073 00:43:16.124 --> 00:43:19.564 <00:43:16.124>And <00:43:16.251>we <00:43:16.378>are <00:43:16.505>going <00:43:16.633>to <00:43:16.760>leave <00:43:16.887>you <00:43:17.014>a <00:43:17.142>small <00:43:17.269>feedback <00:43:17.396>that <00:43:17.524>we 1074 00:43:19.624 --> 00:43:23.164 <00:43:19.624>created <00:43:19.779>if <00:43:19.935>you <00:43:20.090>want <00:43:20.246>to <00:43:20.401>give <00:43:20.557>any <00:43:20.712>information <00:43:20.868>regarding <00:43:21.024>that. 1075 00:43:23.204 --> 00:43:23.404 Yes. 1076 00:43:23.714 --> 00:43:27.604 <00:43:23.714>Or <00:43:23.814>your <00:43:23.913>opinion <00:43:24.014>is <00:43:24.114>going <00:43:24.214>to <00:43:24.314>be <00:43:24.413>anonymous, <00:43:24.514>and <00:43:24.614>we <00:43:24.714>really <00:43:24.814>appreciate 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--> 00:43:42.364 <00:43:41.164>De <00:43:42.244>España. 1085 00:43:42.384 --> 00:43:43.164 <00:43:42.384>Y <00:43:42.735>desde <00:43:43.086>Italia. 1086 00:43:43.464 --> 00:43:46.464 <00:43:43.464>Desde <00:43:43.571>Italia. <00:43:43.679>Just <00:43:43.787>Italia. <00:43:43.894>No, <00:43:44.002>we <00:43:44.110>are <00:43:44.217>Spain. <00:43:44.325>I <00:43:44.433>said <00:43:44.540>Italian, <00:43:44.648>but <00:43:44.756>it's <00:43:44.864>Spanish. 1087 00:43:48.164 --> 00:43:50.004 Toot-toot. 1088 00:43:51.744 --> 00:43:52.304 Ah. 1089 00:43:52.464 --> 00:43:52.904 <00:43:52.464>¿Qué <00:43:52.860>tal? 1090 00:43:53.284 --> 00:43:54.104 Vale.