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346
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<00:20:07.464>this?" <00:20:07.930>"No, <00:20:08.397>I <00:20:08.864>haven't."

347
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<00:20:10.034>"Okay, <00:20:10.174>then <00:20:10.314>maybe <00:20:10.454>you <00:20:10.594>should." <00:20:10.734>"Oh, <00:20:10.874>yeah, <00:20:11.014>maybe <00:20:11.154>I <00:20:11.294>should." <00:20:11.434>I

348
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said,

349
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<00:20:14.924>"Maybe <00:20:15.079>even <00:20:15.235>better, <00:20:15.390>don't <00:20:15.546>just <00:20:15.701>tell <00:20:15.857>them <00:20:16.012>about <00:20:16.168>it, <00:20:16.324>but

350
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<00:20:18.504>actively <00:20:19.008>coach <00:20:19.512>them.

351
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<00:20:21.004>Plan <00:20:21.111>a <00:20:21.219>session <00:20:21.327>where <00:20:21.434>you <00:20:21.542>are <00:20:21.650>going <00:20:21.757>to <00:20:21.865>explain <00:20:21.973>them <00:20:22.080>how <00:20:22.188>to <00:20:22.296>make <00:20:22.404>it

352
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<00:20:25.004>more <00:20:25.111>generic, <00:20:25.219>explain <00:20:25.327>them <00:20:25.434>why <00:20:25.542>you <00:20:25.650>do <00:20:25.757>it, <00:20:25.865>show <00:20:25.973>it <00:20:26.080>to <00:20:26.188>them, <00:20:26.296>or <00:20:26.404>let

353
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<00:20:28.924>them <00:20:29.031>do <00:20:29.139>it, <00:20:29.247>and <00:20:29.354>guide <00:20:29.462>them <00:20:29.570>so <00:20:29.677>that <00:20:29.785>they <00:20:29.893>can <00:20:30.000>do <00:20:30.108>it <00:20:30.216>next <00:20:30.324>time.

354
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355
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<00:20:35.584>extendable <00:20:35.724>because <00:20:35.864>they <00:20:36.004>don't <00:20:36.144>know <00:20:36.284>how <00:20:36.424>or <00:20:36.564>they <00:20:36.704>don't <00:20:36.844>know <00:20:36.984>why.

356
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357
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He

358
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359
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<00:20:47.024>Session <00:20:47.117>during <00:20:47.210>lunch <00:20:47.303>where <00:20:47.397>he <00:20:47.490>showed <00:20:47.583>how <00:20:47.677>he <00:20:47.770>did <00:20:47.863>it, <00:20:47.957>and <00:20:48.050>he <00:20:48.143>guided <00:20:48.237>them <00:20:48.330>when <00:20:48.424>they

360
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361
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362
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<00:20:57.804>think, <00:20:57.944>"Why <00:20:58.084>didn't <00:20:58.224>he <00:20:58.364>do <00:20:58.504>that <00:20:58.644>before?" <00:20:58.784>But <00:20:58.924>that's <00:20:59.064>the <00:20:59.204>mindset

363
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<00:21:01.853>shift. <00:21:02.086>When <00:21:02.319>you <00:21:02.553>start <00:21:02.786>becoming <00:21:03.019>senior, <00:21:03.253>you're

364
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<00:21:05.804>not <00:21:05.979>just <00:21:06.154>watching <00:21:06.329>things <00:21:06.504>happen <00:21:06.679>and <00:21:06.854>thinking, <00:21:07.029>"Oh, <00:21:07.204>we

365
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<00:21:09.644>should <00:21:09.846>do <00:21:10.049>it <00:21:10.251>this <00:21:10.454>way.

366
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<00:21:11.444>Okay, <00:21:11.793>maybe <00:21:12.144>next <00:21:12.494>time." <00:21:12.844>Oops.

367
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<00:21:14.474>"We <00:21:14.614>should <00:21:14.754>do <00:21:14.894>it <00:21:15.033>this <00:21:15.174>way. <00:21:15.313>Okay, <00:21:15.454>maybe <00:21:15.593>next <00:21:15.734>time." <00:21:15.874>No.

368
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369
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<00:21:21.364>Judgment, <00:21:21.519>make <00:21:21.675>good <00:21:21.830>calls <00:21:21.986>under <00:21:22.141>uncertainty <00:21:22.297>and <00:21:22.452>know <00:21:22.608>when <00:21:22.764>to

370
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<00:21:25.364>act <00:21:25.480>and <00:21:25.597>when <00:21:25.714>to <00:21:25.830>ask. <00:21:25.947>At <00:21:26.064>some <00:21:26.180>point, <00:21:26.297>you <00:21:26.414>will <00:21:26.530>have <00:21:26.647>to <00:21:26.764>make

371
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calls

372
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<00:21:30.444>for <00:21:30.560>things <00:21:30.677>that <00:21:30.793>you <00:21:30.910>are <00:21:31.027>not <00:21:31.144>certain <00:21:31.260>of <00:21:31.377>what <00:21:31.494>the <00:21:31.610>right <00:21:31.727>call <00:21:31.844>is.

373
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<00:21:34.474>So <00:21:34.629>you <00:21:34.785>need <00:21:34.940>to <00:21:35.096>know <00:21:35.251>who <00:21:35.407>to <00:21:35.562>ask <00:21:35.718>for <00:21:35.874>information.

374
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<00:21:37.784>You <00:21:37.884>need <00:21:37.984>to <00:21:38.084>list <00:21:38.184>pros <00:21:38.284>and <00:21:38.384>cons. <00:21:38.484>You <00:21:38.584>need <00:21:38.684>to <00:21:38.784>get <00:21:38.884>as <00:21:38.984>much <00:21:39.084>information <00:21:39.184>as

375
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<00:21:41.244>possible. <00:21:41.384>And <00:21:41.524>then <00:21:41.664>when <00:21:41.803>you <00:21:41.944>have <00:21:42.083>enough <00:21:42.224>information, <00:21:42.363>make <00:21:42.504>the <00:21:42.644>call.

376
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<00:21:45.424>Don't <00:21:45.564>wait <00:21:45.704>for <00:21:45.844>someone <00:21:45.984>else <00:21:46.124>to <00:21:46.264>do <00:21:46.404>it. <00:21:46.543>You're <00:21:46.684>the <00:21:46.824>senior.

377
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<00:21:47.724>It's <00:21:48.004>your <00:21:48.283>responsibility. <00:21:48.563>Make <00:21:48.843>the <00:21:49.124>call,

378
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<00:21:51.624>or <00:21:51.711>at <00:21:51.799>least <00:21:51.886>talk <00:21:51.974>to <00:21:52.061>the <00:21:52.149>person <00:21:52.236>that <00:21:52.324>is <00:21:52.411>supposed <00:21:52.499>to <00:21:52.586>make <00:21:52.674>the <00:21:52.761>call <00:21:52.849>if <00:21:52.936>you <00:21:53.024>are

379
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<00:21:55.524>not <00:21:55.873>that <00:21:56.224>person, <00:21:56.573>might <00:21:56.924>be,

380
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<00:21:58.584>and <00:21:58.711>give <00:21:58.838>them <00:21:58.965>your <00:21:59.093>opinion <00:21:59.220>and <00:21:59.347>your <00:21:59.474>view <00:21:59.602>because <00:21:59.729>you, <00:21:59.856>as <00:21:59.984>a

381
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<00:22:02.304>senior <00:22:02.584>dev, <00:22:02.864>your <00:22:03.144>opinion <00:22:03.424>absolutely <00:22:03.704>matters.

382
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<00:22:05.564>Know <00:22:05.664>when <00:22:05.764>to <00:22:05.864>act <00:22:05.964>and <00:22:06.064>know <00:22:06.164>when <00:22:06.264>to <00:22:06.364>ask <00:22:06.464>if <00:22:06.564>you <00:22:06.664>don't <00:22:06.764>have <00:22:06.864>enough <00:22:06.964>information.

383
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<00:22:10.044>Impact <00:22:10.219>beyond <00:22:10.394>code, <00:22:10.569>lift <00:22:10.744>your <00:22:10.919>team, <00:22:11.094>make <00:22:11.269>others <00:22:11.444>better,

384
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<00:22:13.504>communicate <00:22:13.678>across <00:22:13.853>roles. <00:22:14.029>It's <00:22:14.204>not <00:22:14.379>just <00:22:14.553>about <00:22:14.728>coding <00:22:14.904>anymore.

385
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<00:22:17.464>Another <00:22:18.103>story,

386
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<00:22:19.124>one <00:22:19.224>of <00:22:19.324>the <00:22:19.424>devs <00:22:19.524>in <00:22:19.624>the <00:22:19.724>first <00:22:19.824>growth <00:22:19.924>track <00:22:20.024>told <00:22:20.124>me <00:22:20.224>that <00:22:20.324>they <00:22:20.424>were <00:22:20.524>not

387
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<00:22:23.084>having <00:22:23.434>retrospectives <00:22:23.784>in <00:22:24.134>their <00:22:24.484>team.

388
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<00:22:24.964>And <00:22:25.119>that <00:22:25.275>dev <00:22:25.430>found <00:22:25.586>that <00:22:25.741>really, <00:22:25.897>really <00:22:26.052>frustrating, <00:22:26.208>which <00:22:26.364>I

389
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<00:22:28.884>can <00:22:29.039>totally <00:22:29.195>understand <00:22:29.350>because <00:22:29.506>retrospectives <00:22:29.661>are <00:22:29.817>one <00:22:29.972>of <00:22:30.128>the <00:22:30.284>best

390
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<00:22:32.884>ways <00:22:33.143>to <00:22:33.402>make <00:22:33.661>your <00:22:33.920>team <00:22:34.180>grow.

391
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<00:22:35.244>So <00:22:35.477>instead <00:22:35.710>of <00:22:35.944>just <00:22:36.177>letting <00:22:36.410>it <00:22:36.644>happen

392
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<00:22:39.064>and <00:22:39.191>being <00:22:39.318>frustrated <00:22:39.445>every <00:22:39.573>end <00:22:39.700>of <00:22:39.827>every <00:22:39.954>sprint, <00:22:40.082>thinking, <00:22:40.209>"Oh, <00:22:40.336>we <00:22:40.464>should

393
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<00:22:42.984>have <00:22:43.217>a <00:22:43.450>retrospective," <00:22:43.684>I <00:22:43.917>said, <00:22:44.150>"Tell <00:22:44.384>them.

394
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<00:22:46.284>Tell <00:22:46.384>your <00:22:46.484>team <00:22:46.584>you <00:22:46.684>want <00:22:46.784>to <00:22:46.884>have <00:22:46.984>retrospectives, <00:22:47.084>but <00:22:47.184>don't <00:22:47.284>just <00:22:47.384>tell <00:22:47.484>them, <00:22:47.584>'I <00:22:47.684>want

395
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<00:22:50.124>to <00:22:50.240>have <00:22:50.357>a <00:22:50.474>retrospective.' <00:22:50.590>No, <00:22:50.707>make <00:22:50.824>a <00:22:50.940>list <00:22:51.057>of <00:22:51.174>the <00:22:51.290>things <00:22:51.407>for <00:22:51.524>which

396
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<00:22:54.204>you <00:22:54.404>believe <00:22:54.604>that <00:22:54.803>retrospectives <00:22:55.004>are <00:22:55.204>a <00:22:55.404>good <00:22:55.604>thing.

397
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<00:22:58.484>Tell <00:22:58.684>them <00:22:58.884>why <00:22:59.083>you <00:22:59.283>believe <00:22:59.484>retrospectives <00:22:59.684>are <00:22:59.884>important.

398
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<00:23:01.764>Look <00:23:02.113>at <00:23:02.464>their <00:23:02.813>reactions, <00:23:03.164>and

399
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<00:23:04.504>I'm <00:23:04.742>sure <00:23:04.981>they <00:23:05.219>will <00:23:05.458>listen."

400
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<00:23:06.624>That <00:23:06.740>dev <00:23:06.857>tried. <00:23:06.974>Next <00:23:07.090>sprint, <00:23:07.207>they <00:23:07.324>had <00:23:07.440>their <00:23:07.557>first <00:23:07.674>retrospective, <00:23:07.790>and <00:23:07.907>they're <00:23:08.024>still

401
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<00:23:10.644>doing <00:23:10.784>them <00:23:10.924>right <00:23:11.064>now. <00:23:11.204>I <00:23:11.344>can't <00:23:11.484>believe <00:23:11.624>they <00:23:11.764>didn't <00:23:11.904>have <00:23:12.044>retrospectives.

402
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<00:23:14.664>You're <00:23:14.780>probably <00:23:14.897>thinking <00:23:15.014>that. <00:23:15.130>I <00:23:15.247>was <00:23:15.364>thinking <00:23:15.480>that <00:23:15.597>as <00:23:15.714>well, <00:23:15.830>but <00:23:15.947>it <00:23:16.064>happens.

403
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<00:23:18.124>And <00:23:18.324>as <00:23:18.524>a <00:23:18.724>senior <00:23:18.924>developer, <00:23:19.124>it's <00:23:19.324>your <00:23:19.524>responsibility

404
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<00:23:21.524>to <00:23:21.698>take <00:23:21.873>responsibility <00:23:22.049>there, <00:23:22.224>take <00:23:22.399>ownership <00:23:22.573>of <00:23:22.748>your <00:23:22.924>team,

405
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<00:23:25.174>and <00:23:25.301>tell <00:23:25.428>your <00:23:25.555>team <00:23:25.683>when <00:23:25.810>we <00:23:25.937>can <00:23:26.064>do <00:23:26.192>better <00:23:26.319>and <00:23:26.446>how <00:23:26.574>we

406
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<00:23:29.004>can <00:23:29.131>do <00:23:29.258>better. <00:23:29.385>And <00:23:29.513>don't <00:23:29.640>point <00:23:29.767>fingers, <00:23:29.894>but <00:23:30.022>just <00:23:30.149>list <00:23:30.276>why <00:23:30.404>you

407
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<00:23:32.773>think <00:23:32.913>it's <00:23:33.053>a <00:23:33.193>good <00:23:33.332>thing <00:23:33.473>to <00:23:33.612>have <00:23:33.753>those <00:23:33.892>retrospectives, <00:23:34.033>for <00:23:34.173>example,

408
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<00:23:36.264>and <00:23:36.464>people <00:23:36.664>will <00:23:36.863>listen, <00:23:37.063>and <00:23:37.264>they <00:23:37.464>will <00:23:37.664>follow.

409
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<00:23:40.384>Systems <00:23:40.477>thinking <00:23:40.570>as <00:23:40.664>the <00:23:40.757>last <00:23:40.850>one. <00:23:40.944>As <00:23:41.037>a <00:23:41.130>senior <00:23:41.224>dev, <00:23:41.317>you <00:23:41.410>need <00:23:41.504>to <00:23:41.597>see <00:23:41.690>the <00:23:41.784>full

410
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<00:23:44.144>picture, <00:23:44.244>of <00:23:44.344>course. <00:23:44.444>It's <00:23:44.544>not <00:23:44.644>just <00:23:44.744>about <00:23:44.844>your <00:23:44.944>application <00:23:45.044>and <00:23:45.144>the <00:23:45.244>code <00:23:45.344>that <00:23:45.444>you <00:23:45.544>are

411
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<00:23:47.744>writing <00:23:47.918>anymore. <00:23:48.093>You <00:23:48.269>need <00:23:48.444>to <00:23:48.619>know <00:23:48.793>the <00:23:48.968>full <00:23:49.144>architecture.

412
00:23:50.424 --> 00:23:52.184
<00:23:50.424>How <00:23:50.704>is <00:23:50.984>every <00:23:51.264>system <00:23:51.543>working <00:23:51.824>together?

413
00:23:52.464 --> 00:23:53.844
<00:23:52.464>What <00:23:52.774>is <00:23:53.085>the <00:23:53.395>business <00:23:53.706>context

414
00:23:54.804 --> 00:23:57.924
<00:23:54.804>in <00:23:54.944>your <00:23:55.084>organization? <00:23:55.224>Who <00:23:55.364>do <00:23:55.504>you <00:23:55.644>talk <00:23:55.784>to <00:23:55.924>for <00:23:56.064>this <00:23:56.204>problem?

415
00:23:58.004 --> 00:24:01.464
<00:23:58.004>Who <00:23:58.120>do <00:23:58.237>you <00:23:58.353>talk <00:23:58.470>to <00:23:58.587>for <00:23:58.704>that <00:23:58.820>problem? <00:23:58.937>How <00:23:59.053>is <00:23:59.170>that <00:23:59.287>tied <00:23:59.404>together?

416
00:24:01.564 --> 00:24:02.764
<00:24:01.564>What <00:24:01.834>are <00:24:02.104>the <00:24:02.374>politics <00:24:02.644>there?

417
00:24:04.664 --> 00:24:08.654
<00:24:04.664>And <00:24:04.804>so <00:24:04.944>on. <00:24:05.084>Those <00:24:05.224>are <00:24:05.364>four <00:24:05.504>things <00:24:05.644>that <00:24:05.783>being <00:24:05.924>a <00:24:06.064>senior,

418
00:24:09.164 --> 00:24:12.784
<00:24:09.164>according <00:24:09.319>to <00:24:09.475>the <00:24:09.630>organizations <00:24:09.786>that <00:24:09.941>we <00:24:10.097>talk <00:24:10.252>to, <00:24:10.408>that <00:24:10.564>it

419
00:24:12.864 --> 00:24:16.674
<00:24:12.864>actually <00:24:12.991>means. <00:24:13.118>And <00:24:13.245>as <00:24:13.373>you <00:24:13.500>can <00:24:13.627>see, <00:24:13.754>it's <00:24:13.882>not <00:24:14.009>about <00:24:14.136>technical <00:24:14.264>things

420
00:24:16.724 --> 00:24:20.264
<00:24:16.724>anymore. <00:24:16.957>It's <00:24:17.190>about <00:24:17.424>soft <00:24:17.657>skills, <00:24:17.890>people <00:24:18.124>skills,

421
00:24:20.924 --> 00:24:22.644
<00:24:20.924>I <00:24:21.079>think <00:24:21.235>we <00:24:21.390>call <00:24:21.546>them <00:24:21.701>right <00:24:21.857>now, <00:24:22.012>or <00:24:22.168>human <00:24:22.324>skills.

422
00:24:23.184 --> 00:24:27.044
<00:24:23.184>It's <00:24:23.324>about <00:24:23.464>those <00:24:23.604>skills, <00:24:23.744>and <00:24:23.884>those <00:24:24.024>are <00:24:24.164>skills <00:24:24.303>that <00:24:24.444>as <00:24:24.584>a

423
00:24:27.144 --> 00:24:30.984
<00:24:27.144>mid-year <00:24:27.271>software <00:24:27.398>or <00:24:27.525>senior <00:24:27.653>software <00:24:27.780>developer, <00:24:27.907>you <00:24:28.034>don't <00:24:28.162>get <00:24:28.289>in <00:24:28.416>touch <00:24:28.544>with

424
00:24:31.024 --> 00:24:31.724
<00:24:31.024>that <00:24:31.654>often

425
00:24:32.856 --> 00:24:36.656
<00:24:32.856>So <00:24:33.011>that's <00:24:33.167>the <00:24:33.322>mindset <00:24:33.478>shift. <00:24:33.633>You're <00:24:33.789>not <00:24:33.944>just <00:24:34.100>writing <00:24:34.256>code

426
00:24:36.676 --> 00:24:39.736
<00:24:36.676>anymore. <00:24:37.025>No, <00:24:37.376>you're <00:24:37.726>thinking <00:24:38.076>strategically.

427
00:24:39.796 --> 00:24:43.656
<00:24:39.796>You're <00:24:39.951>thinking <00:24:40.107>outside <00:24:40.262>of <00:24:40.418>the <00:24:40.573>box <00:24:40.729>and <00:24:40.884>trying <00:24:41.040>to <00:24:41.196>make

428
00:24:43.896 --> 00:24:47.856
<00:24:43.896>your <00:24:44.071>team, <00:24:44.245>your <00:24:44.421>organization, <00:24:44.596>your <00:24:44.771>code <00:24:44.946>in <00:24:45.120>the <00:24:45.296>end,

429
00:24:48.315 --> 00:24:48.676
better.

430
00:24:52.056 --> 00:24:53.096
<00:24:52.056>So <00:24:52.290>why <00:24:52.524>are <00:24:52.758>they <00:24:52.992>stalling?

431
00:24:54.056 --> 00:24:57.006
<00:24:54.056>Because <00:24:54.231>we <00:24:54.406>can <00:24:54.581>determine <00:24:54.756>what <00:24:54.931>a <00:24:55.106>senior <00:24:55.281>actually <00:24:55.456>is,

432
00:24:57.576 --> 00:25:00.136
<00:24:57.576>but <00:24:57.776>people <00:24:57.976>are <00:24:58.176>still <00:24:58.376>stalling. <00:24:58.576>Why <00:24:58.776>are <00:24:58.976>they?

433
00:25:00.196 --> 00:25:04.156
<00:25:00.196>Well, <00:25:00.370>there's <00:25:00.545>something <00:25:00.721>called <00:25:00.896>the <00:25:01.071>competence <00:25:01.245>trap, <00:25:01.420>and <00:25:01.596>that

434
00:25:04.236 --> 00:25:04.586
means

435
00:25:05.636 --> 00:25:09.556
<00:25:05.636>the <00:25:05.791>problem <00:25:05.947>is <00:25:06.102>that <00:25:06.258>we <00:25:06.413>often <00:25:06.569>think <00:25:06.724>that <00:25:06.880>senior <00:25:07.036>software

436
00:25:09.596 --> 00:25:13.576
<00:25:09.596>developers <00:25:09.771>are <00:25:09.946>performing <00:25:10.121>fine. <00:25:10.296>There's <00:25:10.471>no <00:25:10.646>urgency, <00:25:10.821>because <00:25:10.996>their

437
00:25:13.676 --> 00:25:16.476
<00:25:13.676>job <00:25:13.876>is <00:25:14.076>to <00:25:14.275>deliver <00:25:14.476>code, <00:25:14.676>to <00:25:14.876>deliver <00:25:15.076>requirements.

438
00:25:17.276 --> 00:25:21.116
<00:25:17.276>And <00:25:17.376>if <00:25:17.476>they're <00:25:17.576>doing <00:25:17.676>that, <00:25:17.776>and <00:25:17.876>they're <00:25:17.976>doing <00:25:18.076>that <00:25:18.176>in <00:25:18.276>a <00:25:18.376>good <00:25:18.476>way, <00:25:18.576>well, <00:25:18.676>then

439
00:25:21.176 --> 00:25:25.136
<00:25:21.176>they're <00:25:21.303>doing <00:25:21.430>fine. <00:25:21.557>So <00:25:21.685>why <00:25:21.812>do <00:25:21.939>we <00:25:22.066>need <00:25:22.194>to <00:25:22.321>urge <00:25:22.448>them <00:25:22.576>to

440
00:25:25.216 --> 00:25:28.856
<00:25:25.216>grow? <00:25:25.356>There's <00:25:25.495>no <00:25:25.636>urgency. <00:25:25.775>That <00:25:25.916>is <00:25:26.055>what <00:25:26.196>happens <00:25:26.335>in <00:25:26.476>most <00:25:26.616>organizations,

441
00:25:29.596 --> 00:25:33.296
<00:25:29.596>and <00:25:29.723>this <00:25:29.850>is <00:25:29.977>the <00:25:30.105>enemy <00:25:30.232>of <00:25:30.359>growth. <00:25:30.486>If <00:25:30.614>someone <00:25:30.741>is <00:25:30.868>stuck <00:25:30.996>at

442
00:25:33.416 --> 00:25:34.196
80%,

443
00:25:35.356 --> 00:25:39.236
<00:25:35.356>but <00:25:35.472>they're <00:25:35.589>doing <00:25:35.706>fine <00:25:35.822>and <00:25:35.939>we're <00:25:36.056>not <00:25:36.172>nudging <00:25:36.289>them <00:25:36.406>to <00:25:36.522>bridge <00:25:36.639>that <00:25:36.756>gap

444
00:25:39.276 --> 00:25:42.936
<00:25:39.276>and <00:25:39.363>telling <00:25:39.451>them <00:25:39.538>what <00:25:39.626>they <00:25:39.713>need <00:25:39.801>to <00:25:39.888>grow <00:25:39.976>for, <00:25:40.063>what <00:25:40.151>they <00:25:40.238>need <00:25:40.326>to <00:25:40.413>grow <00:25:40.501>in, <00:25:40.588>yeah, <00:25:40.676>then

445
00:25:42.996 --> 00:25:45.556
<00:25:42.996>we're <00:25:43.229>just <00:25:43.462>keeping <00:25:43.696>them <00:25:43.929>stuck <00:25:44.162>at <00:25:44.396>80%.

446
00:25:46.116 --> 00:25:46.936
<00:25:46.116>People <00:25:46.485>will <00:25:46.853>not

447
00:25:49.636 --> 00:25:53.426
<00:25:49.636>detect <00:25:49.752>those <00:25:49.869>gaps <00:25:49.985>themselves <00:25:50.102>and <00:25:50.219>find <00:25:50.336>out <00:25:50.452>for <00:25:50.569>themselves <00:25:50.686>what <00:25:50.802>they <00:25:50.919>need <00:25:51.036>to

448
00:25:53.476 --> 00:25:53.716
do.

449
00:25:55.576 --> 00:25:59.506
<00:25:55.576>So <00:25:55.692>the <00:25:55.809>competence <00:25:55.926>trap <00:25:56.042>means <00:25:56.159>that <00:25:56.276>your <00:25:56.392>seniors <00:25:56.509>are <00:25:56.626>good <00:25:56.742>enough <00:25:56.859>to <00:25:56.976>keep

450
00:25:59.616 --> 00:26:02.776
<00:25:59.616>going, <00:25:59.771>but <00:25:59.927>they're <00:26:00.082>not <00:26:00.238>guided <00:26:00.393>enough <00:26:00.549>to <00:26:00.704>actually <00:26:00.860>level <00:26:01.016>up.

451
00:26:03.216 --> 00:26:06.916
<00:26:03.216>Your <00:26:03.371>seniors <00:26:03.527>are <00:26:03.682>delivering, <00:26:03.838>which <00:26:03.993>makes <00:26:04.149>the <00:26:04.304>problem <00:26:04.460>invisible, <00:26:04.616>and

452
00:26:06.976 --> 00:26:10.696
<00:26:06.976>the <00:26:07.151>biggest <00:26:07.326>problems <00:26:07.501>are <00:26:07.676>the <00:26:07.851>ones <00:26:08.026>that <00:26:08.201>are <00:26:08.376>invisible.

453
00:26:10.836 --> 00:26:13.136
<00:26:10.836>No <00:26:11.011>one <00:26:11.186>pushes <00:26:11.361>them <00:26:11.536>because <00:26:11.711>they're <00:26:11.886>not <00:26:12.061>a <00:26:12.236>problem.

454
00:26:13.176 --> 00:26:16.136
<00:26:13.176>We <00:26:13.331>only <00:26:13.487>start <00:26:13.642>pushing <00:26:13.798>people <00:26:13.953>when <00:26:14.109>they're <00:26:14.264>becoming <00:26:14.420>an <00:26:14.576>issue.

455
00:26:16.436 --> 00:26:20.076
<00:26:16.436>So <00:26:16.636>they <00:26:16.836>coast <00:26:17.035>forever <00:26:17.235>at <00:26:17.436>80% <00:26:17.636>unless <00:26:17.836>something

456
00:26:20.116 --> 00:26:23.706
<00:26:20.116>changes, <00:26:20.291>and <00:26:20.466>that <00:26:20.641>change <00:26:20.816>is <00:26:20.991>often <00:26:21.166>not <00:26:21.341>a <00:26:21.516>promotion.

457
00:26:24.116 --> 00:26:28.036
<00:26:24.116>If <00:26:24.216>someone <00:26:24.316>is <00:26:24.416>at <00:26:24.516>that <00:26:24.616>80% <00:26:24.716>and <00:26:24.816>we're <00:26:24.916>telling <00:26:25.016>them, <00:26:25.116>"You've <00:26:25.216>been <00:26:25.316>working <00:26:25.416>here <00:26:25.516>for

458
00:26:28.076 --> 00:26:30.336
<00:26:28.076>10 <00:26:28.251>years. <00:26:28.426>You're <00:26:28.601>delivering <00:26:28.776>code. <00:26:28.951>You're <00:26:29.126>doing <00:26:29.301>very <00:26:29.476>well.

459
00:26:30.376 --> 00:26:32.356
<00:26:30.376>You're <00:26:30.656>a <00:26:30.936>senior <00:26:31.216>developer <00:26:31.495>now. <00:26:31.776>Congratulations.

460
00:26:32.596 --> 00:26:36.036
<00:26:32.596>Here <00:26:32.703>is <00:26:32.811>an <00:26:32.919>increase <00:26:33.026>in <00:26:33.134>your <00:26:33.242>paycheck." <00:26:33.349>Then <00:26:33.457>those <00:26:33.565>people <00:26:33.672>will <00:26:33.780>think, <00:26:33.888>"I've <00:26:33.996>been

461
00:26:36.076 --> 00:26:39.916
<00:26:36.076>doing <00:26:36.231>great," <00:26:36.387>which <00:26:36.542>they <00:26:36.698>have, <00:26:36.853>"And <00:26:37.009>I <00:26:37.164>will <00:26:37.320>just <00:26:37.476>keep

462
00:26:39.956 --> 00:26:43.576
<00:26:39.956>on <00:26:40.063>doing <00:26:40.171>what <00:26:40.279>I've <00:26:40.386>been <00:26:40.494>doing <00:26:40.602>because <00:26:40.709>apparently <00:26:40.817>they're <00:26:40.925>happy <00:26:41.032>with <00:26:41.140>me," <00:26:41.248>which <00:26:41.356>is

463
00:26:43.616 --> 00:26:47.596
<00:26:43.616>very <00:26:43.723>normal <00:26:43.831>to <00:26:43.939>think. <00:26:44.046>No. <00:26:44.154>If <00:26:44.262>you <00:26:44.369>want <00:26:44.477>them <00:26:44.585>to <00:26:44.692>really <00:26:44.800>grow, <00:26:44.908>you <00:26:45.016>need

464
00:26:47.636 --> 00:26:49.936
<00:26:47.636>to <00:26:47.811>challenge <00:26:47.985>them. <00:26:48.161>You <00:26:48.336>need <00:26:48.511>to <00:26:48.686>tell <00:26:48.860>them, <00:26:49.036>"Okay.

465
00:26:50.496 --> 00:26:54.236
<00:26:50.496>You <00:26:50.636>are <00:26:50.776>doing <00:26:50.916>great, <00:26:51.056>but <00:26:51.196>if <00:26:51.336>you <00:26:51.476>want <00:26:51.616>to <00:26:51.756>grow, <00:26:51.896>we

466
00:26:54.296 --> 00:26:57.256
<00:26:54.296>need <00:26:54.496>you <00:26:54.696>to <00:26:54.896>take <00:26:55.096>up <00:26:55.296>these <00:26:55.496>extra <00:26:55.696>responsibilities.

467
00:26:57.576 --> 00:27:00.096
<00:26:57.576>We <00:26:57.856>need <00:26:58.136>you <00:26:58.416>to <00:26:58.696>become <00:26:58.976>more

468
00:27:02.156 --> 00:27:05.816
<00:27:02.156>of <00:27:02.263>a <00:27:02.371>team <00:27:02.479>player <00:27:02.586>than <00:27:02.694>just <00:27:02.802>writing <00:27:02.909>your <00:27:03.017>code <00:27:03.125>and <00:27:03.232>working <00:27:03.340>within <00:27:03.448>your <00:27:03.556>team.

469
00:27:05.916 --> 00:27:08.156
<00:27:05.916>You <00:27:06.196>need <00:27:06.476>to <00:27:06.755>become <00:27:07.035>someone <00:27:07.316>organization-wide.

470
00:27:08.196 --> 00:27:11.096
<00:27:08.196>You <00:27:08.295>need <00:27:08.396>to <00:27:08.495>become <00:27:08.596>someone <00:27:08.696>people <00:27:08.795>look <00:27:08.896>up <00:27:08.995>to <00:27:09.096>and <00:27:09.196>people <00:27:09.295>want <00:27:09.396>to <00:27:09.495>talk <00:27:09.596>to.

471
00:27:11.116 --> 00:27:14.896
<00:27:11.116>You <00:27:11.232>need <00:27:11.349>to <00:27:11.466>train <00:27:11.582>the <00:27:11.699>people <00:27:11.816>in <00:27:11.932>your <00:27:12.049>software <00:27:12.166>team <00:27:12.282>to <00:27:12.399>become <00:27:12.516>better.

472
00:27:15.036 --> 00:27:18.816
<00:27:15.036>You <00:27:15.176>need <00:27:15.316>to <00:27:15.456>be <00:27:15.596>a <00:27:15.736>voice <00:27:15.876>that <00:27:16.016>improves <00:27:16.156>the <00:27:16.296>inner <00:27:16.436>workings

473
00:27:18.916 --> 00:27:22.876
<00:27:18.916>of <00:27:19.023>our <00:27:19.131>team <00:27:19.239>and <00:27:19.346>our <00:27:19.454>company." <00:27:19.562>That's <00:27:19.669>the <00:27:19.777>challenging <00:27:19.885>thing, <00:27:19.992>and <00:27:20.100>if <00:27:20.208>you <00:27:20.316>tell

474
00:27:22.896 --> 00:27:26.456
<00:27:22.896>them <00:27:22.983>that <00:27:23.071>and <00:27:23.158>you <00:27:23.245>tell <00:27:23.333>them, <00:27:23.421>"I'm <00:27:23.508>telling <00:27:23.596>this <00:27:23.683>to <00:27:23.771>you <00:27:23.858>because <00:27:23.946>I <00:27:24.033>think <00:27:24.120>you <00:27:24.208>have <00:27:24.296>the

475
00:27:26.496 --> 00:27:30.196
<00:27:26.496>potential <00:27:26.636>to <00:27:26.776>do <00:27:26.916>this," <00:27:27.056>a <00:27:27.196>lot <00:27:27.336>of <00:27:27.476>people <00:27:27.616>will <00:27:27.756>feel <00:27:27.896>that

476
00:27:30.236 --> 00:27:34.206
<00:27:30.236>challenge. <00:27:30.411>They <00:27:30.586>will <00:27:30.761>feel <00:27:30.936>maybe <00:27:31.111>anxious <00:27:31.286>because <00:27:31.461>they <00:27:31.636>think,

477
00:27:34.286 --> 00:27:36.516
<00:27:34.286>"Ooh, <00:27:34.461>that's <00:27:34.636>a <00:27:34.811>lot," <00:27:34.986>but <00:27:35.161>they'll <00:27:35.336>also <00:27:35.511>feel <00:27:35.686>proud

478
00:27:36.896 --> 00:27:40.096
<00:27:36.896>because <00:27:37.071>they <00:27:37.245>might <00:27:37.421>be <00:27:37.596>able <00:27:37.771>to <00:27:37.946>do <00:27:38.120>those <00:27:38.296>things.

479
00:27:40.316 --> 00:27:43.016
<00:27:40.316>So <00:27:40.423>that <00:27:40.531>is <00:27:40.639>very <00:27:40.746>nice, <00:27:40.854>and <00:27:40.962>that <00:27:41.069>is <00:27:41.177>what's <00:27:41.285>going <00:27:41.392>to <00:27:41.500>help <00:27:41.608>them <00:27:41.716>grow.

480
00:27:44.556 --> 00:27:47.116
<00:27:44.556>So <00:27:44.696>what <00:27:44.836>did <00:27:44.976>we <00:27:45.116>build, <00:27:45.256>and <00:27:45.396>what <00:27:45.536>did <00:27:45.676>we <00:27:45.816>actually <00:27:45.956>learn?

481
00:27:48.476 --> 00:27:51.246
<00:27:48.476>What <00:27:48.592>we <00:27:48.709>built <00:27:48.826>was <00:27:48.942>a <00:27:49.059>senior <00:27:49.176>growth <00:27:49.292>track. <00:27:49.409>How <00:27:49.526>did <00:27:49.642>we <00:27:49.759>do <00:27:49.876>it?

482
00:27:51.776 --> 00:27:55.766
<00:27:51.776>First, <00:27:51.916>we <00:27:52.056>diagnosed. <00:27:52.196>We <00:27:52.336>sat <00:27:52.476>together <00:27:52.616>with <00:27:52.756>the <00:27:52.896>organization <00:27:53.036>itself, <00:27:53.176>and

483
00:27:55.776 --> 00:27:59.376
<00:27:55.776>we <00:27:55.951>determined <00:27:56.126>what <00:27:56.301>senior <00:27:56.476>requirements <00:27:56.651>were <00:27:56.826>within <00:27:57.001>the <00:27:57.176>organization

484
00:27:59.916 --> 00:28:01.656
<00:27:59.916>and <00:28:00.149>what <00:28:00.382>people <00:28:00.616>were <00:28:00.849>missing <00:28:01.082>right <00:28:01.316>now.

485
00:28:02.636 --> 00:28:06.576
<00:28:02.636>Once <00:28:02.763>we <00:28:02.890>had <00:28:03.017>a <00:28:03.145>clear <00:28:03.272>picture <00:28:03.399>of <00:28:03.526>that, <00:28:03.654>we <00:28:03.781>started <00:28:03.908>our <00:28:04.036>track,

486
00:28:07.196 --> 00:28:11.036
<00:28:07.196>and <00:28:07.312>we <00:28:07.429>had <00:28:07.545>people <00:28:07.662>in <00:28:07.779>there. <00:28:07.896>We <00:28:08.012>learned <00:28:08.129>them <00:28:08.245>theory <00:28:08.362>whenever <00:28:08.479>theory <00:28:08.596>was

487
00:28:11.076 --> 00:28:14.336
<00:28:11.076>applicable, <00:28:11.216>but <00:28:11.356>most <00:28:11.496>of <00:28:11.636>the <00:28:11.776>times <00:28:11.916>we <00:28:12.056>just <00:28:12.196>gave <00:28:12.336>them <00:28:12.476>exercises.

488
00:28:14.616 --> 00:28:17.996
<00:28:14.616>We <00:28:14.756>gave <00:28:14.896>them <00:28:15.036>role <00:28:15.176>play <00:28:15.316>exercises. <00:28:15.456>We <00:28:15.596>gave <00:28:15.735>them <00:28:15.876>normal <00:28:16.016>individual

489
00:28:18.116 --> 00:28:21.916
<00:28:18.116>exercises. <00:28:18.271>There <00:28:18.427>was <00:28:18.582>a <00:28:18.738>20% <00:28:18.893>to <00:28:19.049>80% <00:28:19.204>ratio <00:28:19.360>of <00:28:19.516>theory

490
00:28:21.996 --> 00:28:25.696
<00:28:21.996>versus <00:28:22.171>exercises <00:28:22.346>because <00:28:22.521>we <00:28:22.696>believe <00:28:22.871>that <00:28:23.046>by <00:28:23.221>doing <00:28:23.396>so,

491
00:28:27.056 --> 00:28:30.436
<00:28:27.056>it <00:28:27.211>sticks. <00:28:27.367>If <00:28:27.522>it <00:28:27.678>is <00:28:27.833>just <00:28:27.989>theory <00:28:28.144>and <00:28:28.300>one <00:28:28.456>exercise,

492
00:28:31.276 --> 00:28:34.836
<00:28:31.276>you <00:28:31.376>lose <00:28:31.476>it. <00:28:31.576>But <00:28:31.676>if <00:28:31.776>it's <00:28:31.876>a <00:28:31.976>bit <00:28:32.076>of <00:28:32.176>theory <00:28:32.276>and <00:28:32.376>then <00:28:32.476>a <00:28:32.576>lot <00:28:32.676>of

493
00:28:34.876 --> 00:28:38.085
<00:28:34.876>exercises, <00:28:35.109>and <00:28:35.342>also <00:28:35.576>making <00:28:35.809>sure <00:28:36.042>that <00:28:36.276>they

494
00:28:40.236 --> 00:28:40.716
<00:28:40.236>put <00:28:40.668>their

495
00:28:42.356 --> 00:28:46.116
<00:28:42.356>learnings <00:28:42.483>into <00:28:42.610>practice <00:28:42.737>within <00:28:42.865>their <00:28:42.992>teams <00:28:43.119>as <00:28:43.246>well <00:28:43.374>in <00:28:43.501>the <00:28:43.628>coming <00:28:43.756>weeks

496
00:28:46.236 --> 00:28:49.876
<00:28:46.236>after <00:28:46.363>a <00:28:46.490>theory <00:28:46.617>day <00:28:46.745>or, <00:28:46.872>and <00:28:46.999>an <00:28:47.126>exercises <00:28:47.254>day, <00:28:47.381>that's <00:28:47.508>when <00:28:47.636>it

497
00:28:49.936 --> 00:28:53.496
<00:28:49.936>really <00:28:50.169>sticks. <00:28:50.402>So <00:28:50.636>that's <00:28:50.869>the <00:28:51.102>third <00:28:51.336>block.

498
00:28:53.556 --> 00:28:54.936
<00:28:53.556>I'm <00:28:53.804>already <00:28:54.052>running <00:28:54.301>ahead <00:28:54.549>of <00:28:54.798>myself.

499
00:28:55.456 --> 00:28:59.046
<00:28:55.456>The <00:28:55.572>third <00:28:55.689>block <00:28:55.805>was <00:28:55.922>challenge, <00:28:56.039>and <00:28:56.156>that's <00:28:56.272>where <00:28:56.389>we <00:28:56.505>actually <00:28:56.622>challenged <00:28:56.739>them <00:28:56.856>by

500
00:28:59.076 --> 00:29:03.056
<00:28:59.076>saying, <00:28:59.203>"You've <00:28:59.330>been <00:28:59.457>doing <00:28:59.585>it <00:28:59.712>in <00:28:59.839>exercises <00:28:59.966>right <00:29:00.094>now, <00:29:00.221>but <00:29:00.348>try <00:29:00.476>to

501
00:29:03.096 --> 00:29:06.596
<00:29:03.096>put <00:29:03.223>it <00:29:03.350>into <00:29:03.477>practice <00:29:03.605>within <00:29:03.732>your <00:29:03.859>day-to-day <00:29:03.986>work." <00:29:04.114>And <00:29:04.241>we <00:29:04.368>would <00:29:04.496>talk

502
00:29:06.676 --> 00:29:10.436
<00:29:06.676>about <00:29:06.792>how <00:29:06.909>they <00:29:07.025>did <00:29:07.142>that <00:29:07.259>and <00:29:07.376>what <00:29:07.492>they <00:29:07.609>did <00:29:07.726>and <00:29:07.842>what <00:29:07.959>they <00:29:08.076>can

503
00:29:10.476 --> 00:29:13.516
<00:29:10.476>improve <00:29:10.651>and <00:29:10.826>what <00:29:11.001>they <00:29:11.176>did <00:29:11.351>great <00:29:11.526>during <00:29:11.701>reflection <00:29:11.876>sessions.

504
00:29:13.676 --> 00:29:17.586
<00:29:13.676>We <00:29:13.851>had <00:29:14.025>regular <00:29:14.201>coachings, <00:29:14.376>which <00:29:14.551>weren't <00:29:14.726>performance <00:29:14.900>reviews, <00:29:15.076>but

505
00:29:17.616 --> 00:29:20.976
<00:29:17.616>which <00:29:17.771>was <00:29:17.927>really <00:29:18.082>talking <00:29:18.238>about <00:29:18.393>what <00:29:18.549>have <00:29:18.704>you <00:29:18.860>been <00:29:19.016>doing?

506
00:29:21.256 --> 00:29:24.456
<00:29:21.256>How <00:29:21.396>did <00:29:21.536>you <00:29:21.676>put <00:29:21.816>this <00:29:21.956>into <00:29:22.096>practice? <00:29:22.236>Were <00:29:22.376>there <00:29:22.516>any <00:29:22.656>opportunities?

507
00:29:24.556 --> 00:29:28.336
<00:29:24.556>If <00:29:24.683>there <00:29:24.810>weren't <00:29:24.937>any <00:29:25.065>opportunities <00:29:25.192>to <00:29:25.319>put <00:29:25.446>it <00:29:25.574>into <00:29:25.701>practice, <00:29:25.828>then <00:29:25.956>we

508
00:29:28.436 --> 00:29:32.096
<00:29:28.436>challenged <00:29:28.563>them <00:29:28.690>and <00:29:28.817>tried <00:29:28.945>to <00:29:29.072>look <00:29:29.199>with <00:29:29.326>them, <00:29:29.454>because <00:29:29.581>very <00:29:29.708>often <00:29:29.836>there

509
00:29:32.196 --> 00:29:32.456
were.

510
00:29:33.856 --> 00:29:37.776
<00:29:33.856>And <00:29:33.963>by <00:29:34.071>doing <00:29:34.179>that <00:29:34.286>for <00:29:34.394>a <00:29:34.502>longer <00:29:34.609>period <00:29:34.717>of <00:29:34.825>time, <00:29:34.932>you <00:29:35.040>create <00:29:35.148>an <00:29:35.256>environment

511
00:29:37.836 --> 00:29:41.556
<00:29:37.836>where <00:29:37.991>people <00:29:38.147>can <00:29:38.302>grow <00:29:38.458>and <00:29:38.613>actually <00:29:38.769>keep <00:29:38.924>on <00:29:39.080>growing, <00:29:39.236>even

512
00:29:41.656 --> 00:29:44.536
<00:29:41.656>outside <00:29:41.856>of <00:29:42.056>the <00:29:42.255>theory <00:29:42.456>and <00:29:42.656>the <00:29:42.856>exercise <00:29:43.056>sessions.

513
00:29:49.116 --> 00:29:52.076
<00:29:49.116>So <00:29:49.271>we <00:29:49.427>ran <00:29:49.582>that <00:29:49.738>pilot <00:29:49.893>and, <00:29:50.049>of <00:29:50.204>course, <00:29:50.360>we <00:29:50.516>had

514
00:29:52.476 --> 00:29:55.036
<00:29:52.476>results <00:29:52.676>after <00:29:52.876>that <00:29:53.076>pilot. <00:29:53.276>So <00:29:53.476>what <00:29:53.676>did <00:29:53.876>happen?

515
00:29:55.736 --> 00:29:59.576
<00:29:55.736>First <00:29:55.936>of <00:29:56.136>all, <00:29:56.336>very <00:29:56.536>soon, <00:29:56.736>devs <00:29:56.936>started <00:29:57.136>to

516
00:29:59.636 --> 00:30:03.596
<00:29:59.636>take <00:29:59.811>ownership <00:29:59.985>of <00:30:00.161>things. <00:30:00.336>They <00:30:00.511>took <00:30:00.686>initiatives <00:30:00.860>without <00:30:01.036>being

517
00:30:03.696 --> 00:30:07.676
<00:30:03.696>asked <00:30:03.836>to <00:30:03.976>do <00:30:04.116>so <00:30:04.255>or <00:30:04.396>without <00:30:04.535>thinking, <00:30:04.676>"I'll <00:30:04.815>let <00:30:04.956>someone <00:30:05.096>else

518
00:30:07.716 --> 00:30:08.896
<00:30:07.716>do <00:30:08.070>it." <00:30:08.424>Because <00:30:08.778>we

519
00:30:09.716 --> 00:30:13.596
<00:30:09.716>worked <00:30:09.856>on <00:30:09.995>convincing <00:30:10.136>them <00:30:10.275>that <00:30:10.416>they <00:30:10.555>were <00:30:10.696>senior <00:30:10.835>devs <00:30:10.976>and <00:30:11.116>it

520
00:30:13.656 --> 00:30:17.326
<00:30:13.656>was <00:30:13.889>their <00:30:14.122>responsibility <00:30:14.356>and <00:30:14.589>their <00:30:14.822>voice <00:30:15.056>was

521
00:30:17.396 --> 00:30:21.216
<00:30:17.396>worthy <00:30:17.523>to <00:30:17.650>be <00:30:17.777>heard. <00:30:17.905>Small <00:30:18.032>side <00:30:18.159>note <00:30:18.286>there, <00:30:18.414>which <00:30:18.541>is <00:30:18.668>very <00:30:18.796>important.

522
00:30:22.036 --> 00:30:24.076
<00:30:22.036>A <00:30:22.386>lot <00:30:22.736>of <00:30:23.086>software <00:30:23.436>developers

523
00:30:25.056 --> 00:30:26.916
<00:30:25.056>have <00:30:25.522>a <00:30:25.989>confidence <00:30:26.456>issue.

524
00:30:28.676 --> 00:30:29.756
<00:30:28.676>There's <00:30:29.000>a <00:30:29.324>lot <00:30:29.648>of

525
00:30:30.916 --> 00:30:33.516
<00:30:30.916>fear <00:30:31.091>of <00:30:31.265>failure, <00:30:31.441>a <00:30:31.616>lot <00:30:31.791>of <00:30:31.966>imposter <00:30:32.140>syndrome <00:30:32.316>present,

526
00:30:34.336 --> 00:30:38.036
<00:30:34.336>which <00:30:34.452>is <00:30:34.569>also <00:30:34.686>an <00:30:34.802>invisible <00:30:34.919>problem <00:30:35.036>because <00:30:35.152>people <00:30:35.269>don't <00:30:35.386>often <00:30:35.502>talk <00:30:35.619>about <00:30:35.736>that.

527
00:30:38.816 --> 00:30:42.656
<00:30:38.816>But <00:30:38.898>it <00:30:38.980>is <00:30:39.063>there, <00:30:39.145>and <00:30:39.227>there <00:30:39.310>are <00:30:39.392>a <00:30:39.474>lot <00:30:39.557>of <00:30:39.639>senior <00:30:39.721>devs <00:30:39.804>who <00:30:39.886>think <00:30:39.968>that <00:30:40.051>they <00:30:40.133>are <00:30:40.216>not

528
00:30:42.716 --> 00:30:45.336
<00:30:42.716>good <00:30:42.871>enough <00:30:43.027>to <00:30:43.182>be <00:30:43.338>senior <00:30:43.493>devs. <00:30:43.649>In <00:30:43.804>fact, <00:30:43.960>they <00:30:44.116>wonder

529
00:30:47.056 --> 00:30:50.656
<00:30:47.056>why <00:30:47.163>is <00:30:47.271>it <00:30:47.379>that <00:30:47.486>people <00:30:47.594>don't <00:30:47.702>see <00:30:47.809>that <00:30:47.917>they <00:30:48.025>might <00:30:48.132>not <00:30:48.240>be <00:30:48.348>good <00:30:48.456>enough

530
00:30:51.564 --> 00:30:55.273
<00:30:51.564>In <00:30:51.671>reality, <00:30:51.779>they <00:30:51.887>are <00:30:51.994>good <00:30:52.102>enough, <00:30:52.210>and <00:30:52.317>people <00:30:52.425>see <00:30:52.533>that <00:30:52.640>they <00:30:52.748>are <00:30:52.856>good <00:30:52.964>enough,

531
00:30:55.704 --> 00:30:58.164
<00:30:55.704>but <00:30:55.904>we <00:30:56.104>just <00:30:56.303>need <00:30:56.504>to <00:30:56.704>convince <00:30:56.904>them <00:30:57.104>and

532
00:30:58.824 --> 00:31:02.724
<00:30:58.824>teach <00:30:59.024>them <00:30:59.224>to <00:30:59.424>detect <00:30:59.624>those <00:30:59.824>fear <00:31:00.024>of <00:31:00.224>failure

533
00:31:02.784 --> 00:31:06.764
<00:31:02.784>points <00:31:02.911>and <00:31:03.038>those <00:31:03.165>imposter <00:31:03.293>syndrome <00:31:03.420>points <00:31:03.547>and <00:31:03.674>see <00:31:03.802>that <00:31:03.929>they <00:31:04.056>are <00:31:04.184>not

534
00:31:06.824 --> 00:31:10.344
<00:31:06.824>realistic. <00:31:06.951>We <00:31:07.078>had <00:31:07.205>sessions <00:31:07.333>about <00:31:07.460>that <00:31:07.587>as <00:31:07.714>well, <00:31:07.842>and <00:31:07.969>by <00:31:08.096>doing <00:31:08.224>so,

535
00:31:10.924 --> 00:31:13.644
<00:31:10.924>we <00:31:11.204>saw <00:31:11.484>devs <00:31:11.764>take <00:31:12.043>more <00:31:12.324>initiative

536
00:31:14.964 --> 00:31:17.344
<00:31:14.964>without <00:31:15.197>being <00:31:15.430>asked <00:31:15.664>and <00:31:15.897>just <00:31:16.130>taking <00:31:16.364>ownership.

537
00:31:17.904 --> 00:31:21.604
<00:31:17.904>They <00:31:18.104>were <00:31:18.304>able <00:31:18.504>to <00:31:18.704>make <00:31:18.904>better <00:31:19.104>decisions <00:31:19.304>because

538
00:31:21.664 --> 00:31:23.424
<00:31:21.664>they <00:31:22.130>learned <00:31:22.597>how <00:31:23.064>to

539
00:31:25.024 --> 00:31:28.764
<00:31:25.024>think <00:31:25.164>about <00:31:25.303>things <00:31:25.444>in <00:31:25.583>a <00:31:25.724>constructive <00:31:25.863>way, <00:31:26.004>in <00:31:26.143>a <00:31:26.283>pros <00:31:26.424>versus

540
00:31:28.824 --> 00:31:32.244
<00:31:28.824>cons <00:31:28.964>way, <00:31:29.104>asking <00:31:29.244>questions <00:31:29.384>and <00:31:29.524>not <00:31:29.664>being <00:31:29.804>shy <00:31:29.944>to <00:31:30.084>ask <00:31:30.224>questions.

541
00:31:32.684 --> 00:31:35.904
<00:31:32.684>We <00:31:32.777>often <00:31:32.870>think <00:31:32.964>that <00:31:33.057>asking <00:31:33.150>questions <00:31:33.244>is <00:31:33.337>a <00:31:33.430>sign <00:31:33.524>of <00:31:33.617>weakness, <00:31:33.710>so <00:31:33.803>we <00:31:33.897>have <00:31:33.990>to <00:31:34.084>convince

542
00:31:35.924 --> 00:31:36.784
<00:31:35.924>them <00:31:36.117>that <00:31:36.311>it <00:31:36.504>is <00:31:36.698>not.

543
00:31:37.744 --> 00:31:40.384
<00:31:37.744>And <00:31:37.884>by <00:31:38.024>doing <00:31:38.164>so, <00:31:38.303>they <00:31:38.444>were <00:31:38.583>able <00:31:38.724>to <00:31:38.863>make <00:31:39.004>better <00:31:39.144>decisions.

544
00:31:40.974 --> 00:31:44.224
<00:31:40.974>Pair <00:31:41.081>that <00:31:41.189>with <00:31:41.297>the <00:31:41.404>boost <00:31:41.512>in <00:31:41.620>confidence <00:31:41.727>that <00:31:41.835>they <00:31:41.943>have, <00:31:42.050>and <00:31:42.158>they <00:31:42.266>were <00:31:42.374>also

545
00:31:44.964 --> 00:31:48.884
<00:31:44.964>daring <00:31:45.091>to <00:31:45.218>make <00:31:45.345>decisions. <00:31:45.473>Even <00:31:45.600>if <00:31:45.727>the <00:31:45.854>decision <00:31:45.982>turned <00:31:46.109>out <00:31:46.236>to <00:31:46.364>be

546
00:31:48.904 --> 00:31:52.384
<00:31:48.904>the <00:31:49.020>wrong <00:31:49.137>one, <00:31:49.254>which <00:31:49.370>is <00:31:49.487>perfectly <00:31:49.604>possible, <00:31:49.720>then <00:31:49.837>they <00:31:49.954>just <00:31:50.070>rectified <00:31:50.187>it <00:31:50.304>with

547
00:31:52.394 --> 00:31:54.264
<00:31:52.394>another <00:31:52.674>one, <00:31:52.954>and <00:31:53.234>they <00:31:53.514>didn't <00:31:53.794>feel

548
00:31:55.404 --> 00:31:57.424
<00:31:55.404>not <00:31:55.637>ready <00:31:55.870>to <00:31:56.104>take <00:31:56.337>another <00:31:56.570>decision <00:31:56.804>again.

549
00:31:57.484 --> 00:32:01.324
<00:31:57.484>They <00:31:57.717>know <00:31:57.950>it's <00:31:58.184>normal. <00:31:58.417>Less <00:31:58.650>senior <00:31:58.884>reliance.

550
00:32:01.394 --> 00:32:05.264
<00:32:01.394>There <00:32:01.494>are <00:32:01.594>more <00:32:01.694>seniors <00:32:01.794>now, <00:32:01.894>so <00:32:01.994>we <00:32:02.094>don't <00:32:02.194>need <00:32:02.294>to <00:32:02.394>rely <00:32:02.494>on <00:32:02.594>one <00:32:02.694>or <00:32:02.794>two

551
00:32:05.324 --> 00:32:09.294
<00:32:05.324>seniors <00:32:05.451>within <00:32:05.578>a <00:32:05.705>team <00:32:05.833>anymore. <00:32:05.960>So <00:32:06.087>there's <00:32:06.214>less <00:32:06.342>of <00:32:06.469>a <00:32:06.596>bottleneck <00:32:06.724>on

552
00:32:09.364 --> 00:32:11.364
<00:32:09.364>other <00:32:09.539>seniors <00:32:09.714>as <00:32:09.889>well <00:32:10.064>for <00:32:10.239>the <00:32:10.414>questions <00:32:10.589>that <00:32:10.764>are

553
00:32:12.544 --> 00:32:16.404
<00:32:12.544>going <00:32:12.671>to <00:32:12.798>be <00:32:12.925>asked, <00:32:13.053>which <00:32:13.180>benefits <00:32:13.307>the <00:32:13.434>entire <00:32:13.562>organization <00:32:13.689>in <00:32:13.816>the <00:32:13.944>end.

554
00:32:17.124 --> 00:32:20.684
<00:32:17.124>And <00:32:17.217>then, <00:32:17.310>like <00:32:17.404>I <00:32:17.497>already <00:32:17.590>said, <00:32:17.684>but <00:32:17.777>it's <00:32:17.870>a <00:32:17.964>very <00:32:18.057>important <00:32:18.150>one, <00:32:18.244>they <00:32:18.337>had <00:32:18.430>a <00:32:18.524>confidence

555
00:32:20.784 --> 00:32:21.084
boost

556
00:32:22.104 --> 00:32:25.284
<00:32:22.104>because <00:32:22.211>of <00:32:22.319>all <00:32:22.427>the <00:32:22.534>things <00:32:22.642>that <00:32:22.750>we <00:32:22.857>told <00:32:22.965>them <00:32:23.073>and <00:32:23.180>that <00:32:23.288>we <00:32:23.396>taught <00:32:23.504>them.

557
00:32:26.124 --> 00:32:29.984
<00:32:26.124>Both <00:32:26.264>the <00:32:26.404>devs <00:32:26.544>and <00:32:26.684>their <00:32:26.824>managers, <00:32:26.964>who <00:32:27.104>we <00:32:27.244>questioned <00:32:27.384>at <00:32:27.524>the

558
00:32:30.024 --> 00:32:33.644
<00:32:30.024>end <00:32:30.164>as <00:32:30.303>well <00:32:30.444>after <00:32:30.583>a <00:32:30.724>few <00:32:30.863>weeks, <00:32:31.004>they <00:32:31.143>also <00:32:31.283>noticed <00:32:31.424>a

559
00:32:33.684 --> 00:32:34.064
big

560
00:32:35.104 --> 00:32:38.644
<00:32:35.104>increase <00:32:35.304>in <00:32:35.504>confidence, <00:32:35.704>which <00:32:35.904>is <00:32:36.104>one <00:32:36.304>of <00:32:36.504>the

561
00:32:38.684 --> 00:32:42.244
<00:32:38.684>basics <00:32:38.791>that <00:32:38.899>they <00:32:39.007>need <00:32:39.114>to <00:32:39.222>have <00:32:39.330>in <00:32:39.437>order <00:32:39.545>to <00:32:39.653>become <00:32:39.760>a <00:32:39.868>senior <00:32:39.976>software <00:32:40.084>developer.

562
00:32:43.264 --> 00:32:46.484
<00:32:43.264>Good <00:32:43.380>results, <00:32:43.497>but <00:32:43.613>of <00:32:43.730>course, <00:32:43.847>we <00:32:43.964>also <00:32:44.080>did <00:32:44.197>things <00:32:44.313>that <00:32:44.430>could <00:32:44.547>be <00:32:44.664>improved.

563
00:32:48.324 --> 00:32:49.584
<00:32:48.324>What <00:32:48.607>we <00:32:48.891>got <00:32:49.174>wrong <00:32:49.458>first.

564
00:32:50.644 --> 00:32:54.084
<00:32:50.644>So <00:32:50.744>what <00:32:50.844>we <00:32:50.944>did <00:32:51.044>was <00:32:51.144>we <00:32:51.244>only <00:32:51.344>talked <00:32:51.444>to <00:32:51.544>the <00:32:51.644>tech <00:32:51.744>leads <00:32:51.844>beforehand <00:32:51.944>in <00:32:52.044>order

565
00:32:54.184 --> 00:32:57.424
<00:32:54.184>to <00:32:54.384>draft <00:32:54.584>our <00:32:54.783>track <00:32:54.984>and <00:32:55.184>see <00:32:55.384>the <00:32:55.584>requirements.

566
00:32:57.824 --> 00:32:59.764
<00:32:57.824>We <00:32:58.024>changed <00:32:58.224>that <00:32:58.424>to <00:32:58.624>talking <00:32:58.824>to <00:32:59.024>the <00:32:59.224>dev.

567
00:32:59.824 --> 00:33:02.864
<00:32:59.824>Do <00:32:59.917>we <00:33:00.010>want <00:33:00.104>to <00:33:00.197>talk <00:33:00.290>to <00:33:00.384>devs <00:33:00.477>as <00:33:00.570>well, <00:33:00.664>or <00:33:00.757>at <00:33:00.850>least <00:33:00.944>to <00:33:01.037>team <00:33:01.130>leads <00:33:01.224>and

568
00:33:04.084 --> 00:33:06.404
<00:33:04.084>people <00:33:04.434>at <00:33:04.784>a <00:33:05.134>lower <00:33:05.484>level

569
00:33:07.144 --> 00:33:10.284
<00:33:07.144>to <00:33:07.377>determine <00:33:07.610>their <00:33:07.844>level <00:33:08.077>for <00:33:08.310>certain <00:33:08.544>topics?

570
00:33:10.804 --> 00:33:14.524
<00:33:10.804>There <00:33:10.920>was <00:33:11.037>one <00:33:11.154>technical <00:33:11.270>topic <00:33:11.387>that <00:33:11.504>we <00:33:11.620>needed <00:33:11.737>to <00:33:11.854>talk <00:33:11.970>about, <00:33:12.087>which <00:33:12.204>was

571
00:33:16.264 --> 00:33:19.844
<00:33:16.264>the <00:33:16.380>tech <00:33:16.497>leads <00:33:16.613>said <00:33:16.730>they <00:33:16.847>all <00:33:16.964>have <00:33:17.080>a <00:33:17.197>basic <00:33:17.313>knowledge <00:33:17.430>of <00:33:17.547>this, <00:33:17.664>so

572
00:33:20.444 --> 00:33:20.664
we

573
00:33:22.764 --> 00:33:26.754
<00:33:22.764>can <00:33:22.863>start <00:33:22.964>by <00:33:23.063>assuming <00:33:23.164>that <00:33:23.264>they <00:33:23.363>have <00:33:23.464>and <00:33:23.563>then <00:33:23.664>move <00:33:23.764>into <00:33:23.863>a <00:33:23.964>little <00:33:24.063>bit <00:33:24.164>more

574
00:33:26.784 --> 00:33:30.604
<00:33:26.784>of <00:33:26.924>an <00:33:27.064>advanced <00:33:27.204>way <00:33:27.344>of <00:33:27.484>talking <00:33:27.624>about <00:33:27.764>this, <00:33:27.904>was <00:33:28.044>about <00:33:28.184>Terraform.

575
00:33:31.744 --> 00:33:32.114
And

576
00:33:33.244 --> 00:33:35.544
<00:33:33.244>as <00:33:33.371>it <00:33:33.498>turned <00:33:33.625>out, <00:33:33.753>none <00:33:33.880>of <00:33:34.007>the <00:33:34.134>devs <00:33:34.262>had <00:33:34.389>a <00:33:34.516>basic <00:33:34.644>knowledge.

577
00:33:35.664 --> 00:33:37.244
<00:33:35.664>They <00:33:35.944>never <00:33:36.224>worked <00:33:36.504>with <00:33:36.783>Terraform <00:33:37.064>before.

578
00:33:37.344 --> 00:33:40.564
<00:33:37.344>So <00:33:37.451>we <00:33:37.559>had <00:33:37.667>to <00:33:37.774>switch <00:33:37.882>and <00:33:37.990>we <00:33:38.097>had <00:33:38.205>to <00:33:38.313>adapt <00:33:38.420>and <00:33:38.528>we <00:33:38.636>had <00:33:38.744>to

579
00:33:42.024 --> 00:33:45.764
<00:33:42.024>switch <00:33:42.198>courses <00:33:42.373>around <00:33:42.549>and <00:33:42.724>then <00:33:42.899>make <00:33:43.073>another, <00:33:43.248>more <00:33:43.424>basic

580
00:33:45.804 --> 00:33:49.754
<00:33:45.804>course <00:33:45.959>for <00:33:46.115>Terraform. <00:33:46.270>So <00:33:46.426>not <00:33:46.581>just <00:33:46.737>talking <00:33:46.892>to <00:33:47.048>tech <00:33:47.204>leads

581
00:33:49.804 --> 00:33:52.164
<00:33:49.804>because <00:33:49.959>they <00:33:50.115>have <00:33:50.270>an <00:33:50.426>overview, <00:33:50.581>but <00:33:50.737>not <00:33:50.892>a <00:33:51.048>detailed <00:33:51.204>view.

582
00:33:53.804 --> 00:33:56.384
<00:33:53.804>Assuming <00:33:54.004>trainings <00:33:54.204>are <00:33:54.404>priority, <00:33:54.604>that's <00:33:54.804>what <00:33:55.004>we <00:33:55.204>assumed,

583
00:33:57.344 --> 00:33:59.924
<00:33:57.344>but <00:33:57.577>it's <00:33:57.810>not <00:33:58.044>the <00:33:58.277>case, <00:33:58.510>not <00:33:58.744>always.

584
00:34:01.184 --> 00:34:05.064
<00:34:01.184>There <00:34:01.359>were <00:34:01.533>moments <00:34:01.709>where <00:34:01.884>teams <00:34:02.059>were <00:34:02.234>not <00:34:02.408>happy <00:34:02.584>that

585
00:34:05.184 --> 00:34:08.304
<00:34:05.184>we <00:34:05.324>were <00:34:05.464>pulling <00:34:05.604>people <00:34:05.744>out <00:34:05.884>of <00:34:06.024>their <00:34:06.164>teams <00:34:06.303>for <00:34:06.444>training <00:34:06.584>days.

586
00:34:08.904 --> 00:34:12.884
<00:34:08.904>And <00:34:08.997>then <00:34:09.090>those <00:34:09.184>people <00:34:09.277>were <00:34:09.370>saying, <00:34:09.464>"I <00:34:09.557>have <00:34:09.650>a <00:34:09.744>lot <00:34:09.837>of <00:34:09.930>work, <00:34:10.024>so <00:34:10.117>why <00:34:10.210>do <00:34:10.304>I

587
00:34:12.924 --> 00:34:16.903
<00:34:12.924>need <00:34:13.024>to <00:34:13.123>be <00:34:13.224>here?" <00:34:13.324>So <00:34:13.424>we <00:34:13.524>need <00:34:13.623>to <00:34:13.724>align <00:34:13.824>beforehand <00:34:13.924>and <00:34:14.024>make <00:34:14.123>sure <00:34:14.224>that <00:34:14.324>the

588
00:34:16.964 --> 00:34:18.624
<00:34:16.964>company <00:34:17.197>has <00:34:17.430>the <00:34:17.663>right <00:34:17.897>mindset <00:34:18.130>as <00:34:18.364>well.

589
00:34:18.725 --> 00:34:22.685
<00:34:18.725>The <00:34:18.958>training <00:34:19.191>comes <00:34:19.424>first. <00:34:19.658>And <00:34:19.891>then <00:34:20.125>also

590
00:34:22.745 --> 00:34:26.564
<00:34:22.745>ignoring <00:34:22.861>the <00:34:22.978>managers. <00:34:23.094>We <00:34:23.211>didn't <00:34:23.328>talk <00:34:23.444>with <00:34:23.561>the <00:34:23.678>managers <00:34:23.795>beforehand, <00:34:23.911>and <00:34:24.028>that <00:34:24.145>is

591
00:34:26.624 --> 00:34:30.524
<00:34:26.623>tied <00:34:26.763>to <00:34:26.904>the <00:34:27.043>previous <00:34:27.183>one <00:34:27.323>because <00:34:27.464>your <00:34:27.603>manager <00:34:27.743>buy-in <00:34:27.884>needs <00:34:28.024>to

592
00:34:30.584 --> 00:34:32.944
<00:34:30.583>be <00:34:30.783>non-negotiable. <00:34:30.984>They <00:34:31.183>need <00:34:31.384>to <00:34:31.583>be <00:34:31.783>on <00:34:31.984>board.

593
00:34:33.024 --> 00:34:36.944
<00:34:33.024>No <00:34:33.123>manager <00:34:33.223>can <00:34:33.324>say, <00:34:33.424>"Oh, <00:34:33.524>okay, <00:34:33.623>yeah, <00:34:33.723>you <00:34:33.824>have <00:34:33.924>a <00:34:34.024>training <00:34:34.123>day <00:34:34.223>today, <00:34:34.324>but <00:34:34.424>also

594
00:34:36.984 --> 00:34:40.904
<00:34:36.984>this <00:34:37.066>requirement <00:34:37.148>needs <00:34:37.231>to <00:34:37.313>be <00:34:37.395>met, <00:34:37.478>and <00:34:37.560>we <00:34:37.642>are <00:34:37.725>not <00:34:37.807>there <00:34:37.889>yet, <00:34:37.972>so <00:34:38.054>you <00:34:38.136>can't <00:34:38.219>go <00:34:38.301>to <00:34:38.384>the

595
00:34:40.944 --> 00:34:44.064
<00:34:40.944>training <00:34:41.083>day <00:34:41.224>because <00:34:41.364>this <00:34:41.504>is <00:34:41.643>more <00:34:41.784>important." <00:34:41.924>That <00:34:42.063>should <00:34:42.204>not <00:34:42.344>happen.

596
00:34:44.444 --> 00:34:48.424
<00:34:44.444>And <00:34:44.583>I <00:34:44.724>realize <00:34:44.864>that <00:34:45.004>in <00:34:45.143>an <00:34:45.284>organization, <00:34:45.424>things <00:34:45.563>aren't <00:34:45.704>always <00:34:45.844>running

597
00:34:48.464 --> 00:34:52.225
<00:34:48.464>the <00:34:48.563>way <00:34:48.663>they <00:34:48.764>need <00:34:48.864>to <00:34:48.964>run, <00:34:49.063>and <00:34:49.163>sometimes <00:34:49.264>you <00:34:49.364>need <00:34:49.464>to <00:34:49.563>prioritize <00:34:49.663>things, <00:34:49.764>but <00:34:49.864>it

598
00:34:52.284 --> 00:34:56.074
<00:34:52.284>should <00:34:52.411>be <00:34:52.538>kept <00:34:52.665>at <00:34:52.793>a <00:34:52.920>minimum. <00:34:53.047>So <00:34:53.174>we <00:34:53.302>can't <00:34:53.429>ignore <00:34:53.556>the <00:34:53.684>managers.

599
00:34:56.185 --> 00:34:58.904
<00:34:56.185>We <00:34:56.360>need <00:34:56.534>them <00:34:56.710>to <00:34:56.884>be <00:34:57.060>on <00:34:57.235>board <00:34:57.410>as <00:34:57.585>well.

600
00:35:01.364 --> 00:35:05.224
<00:35:01.364>So <00:35:01.480>what <00:35:01.597>can <00:35:01.714>you <00:35:01.830>do <00:35:01.947>starting <00:35:02.064>tomorrow <00:35:02.180>if <00:35:02.297>you <00:35:02.414>want <00:35:02.530>to <00:35:02.647>grow <00:35:02.764>your

601
00:35:05.264 --> 00:35:08.843
<00:35:05.264>own <00:35:05.439>senior <00:35:05.614>software <00:35:05.789>developers? <00:35:05.964>If <00:35:06.139>you <00:35:06.314>are <00:35:06.489>a <00:35:06.664>developer,

602
00:35:09.824 --> 00:35:12.424
<00:35:09.824>what <00:35:09.999>does <00:35:10.174>a <00:35:10.349>senior <00:35:10.524>look <00:35:10.699>like <00:35:10.874>within <00:35:11.049>your <00:35:11.224>company?

603
00:35:12.554 --> 00:35:16.484
<00:35:12.554>Ask <00:35:12.709>yourself <00:35:12.865>that <00:35:13.020>question. <00:35:13.176>Specifically <00:35:13.331>for <00:35:13.487>your <00:35:13.642>company, <00:35:13.798>what <00:35:13.954>do

604
00:35:16.544 --> 00:35:20.404
<00:35:16.544>you <00:35:16.660>think <00:35:16.777>a <00:35:16.894>senior <00:35:17.010>needs <00:35:17.127>to <00:35:17.243>do <00:35:17.360>and <00:35:17.477>needs <00:35:17.594>to <00:35:17.710>have <00:35:17.827>when <00:35:17.944>it

605
00:35:20.424 --> 00:35:24.124
<00:35:20.424>comes <00:35:20.551>to <00:35:20.678>skills? <00:35:20.805>Very <00:35:20.933>important. <00:35:21.060>Map <00:35:21.187>it <00:35:21.314>out <00:35:21.442>for <00:35:21.569>yourself <00:35:21.696>so <00:35:21.824>you

606
00:35:24.244 --> 00:35:26.384
<00:35:24.244>know <00:35:24.594>what <00:35:24.944>you're <00:35:25.294>growing <00:35:25.644>towards.

607
00:35:27.044 --> 00:35:29.684
<00:35:27.044>Seek <00:35:27.324>out <00:35:27.604>decisions, <00:35:27.884>not <00:35:28.163>just <00:35:28.444>tasks.

608
00:35:29.764 --> 00:35:33.624
<00:35:29.764>Actively <00:35:29.964>put <00:35:30.164>yourself <00:35:30.364>in <00:35:30.564>situations <00:35:30.764>where <00:35:30.964>you <00:35:31.164>have

609
00:35:33.684 --> 00:35:36.964
<00:35:33.684>to <00:35:33.839>make <00:35:33.995>a <00:35:34.150>call. <00:35:34.306>Don't <00:35:34.461>just <00:35:34.617>execute <00:35:34.772>someone <00:35:34.928>else's <00:35:35.084>call.

610
00:35:37.564 --> 00:35:38.864
<00:35:37.564>Make <00:35:37.856>the <00:35:38.149>call <00:35:38.441>for <00:35:38.734>yourself.

611
00:35:40.304 --> 00:35:43.844
<00:35:40.304>And <00:35:40.537>make <00:35:40.770>yourself <00:35:41.004>visible. <00:35:41.237>Write, <00:35:41.470>present, <00:35:41.704>share.

612
00:35:44.644 --> 00:35:48.484
<00:35:44.644>Being <00:35:44.743>a <00:35:44.843>senior <00:35:44.944>developer <00:35:45.044>also <00:35:45.144>means <00:35:45.243>that <00:35:45.343>your <00:35:45.444>company <00:35:45.544>looks <00:35:45.644>up <00:35:45.743>to <00:35:45.843>you, <00:35:45.944>and <00:35:46.044>your

613
00:35:48.544 --> 00:35:52.304
<00:35:48.544>company <00:35:48.683>sees <00:35:48.824>you <00:35:48.964>as <00:35:49.104>a <00:35:49.243>valuable <00:35:49.384>asset, <00:35:49.524>as <00:35:49.663>someone <00:35:49.804>who <00:35:49.944>knows

614
00:35:52.904 --> 00:35:56.384
<00:35:52.904>what <00:35:53.031>they're <00:35:53.158>talking <00:35:53.285>about. <00:35:53.413>And <00:35:53.540>you <00:35:53.667>can <00:35:53.794>only <00:35:53.922>attain <00:35:54.049>that <00:35:54.176>if <00:35:54.304>you

615
00:35:56.724 --> 00:35:58.784
<00:35:56.724>make <00:35:57.004>yourself <00:35:57.284>visible. <00:35:57.564>Do <00:35:57.844>you <00:35:58.124>have

616
00:35:59.824 --> 00:36:02.424
<00:35:59.824>knowledge-sharing <00:36:00.057>sessions <00:36:00.290>within <00:36:00.524>your <00:36:00.757>company? <00:36:00.990>Talk <00:36:01.224>there.

617
00:36:02.684 --> 00:36:05.684
<00:36:02.684>Do <00:36:03.034>a <00:36:03.384>presentation. <00:36:03.734>Write <00:36:04.084>something.

618
00:36:05.984 --> 00:36:08.904
<00:36:05.984>Put <00:36:06.139>stuff <00:36:06.295>on <00:36:06.450>Confluence <00:36:06.606>and <00:36:06.761>share <00:36:06.917>it <00:36:07.072>with <00:36:07.228>other <00:36:07.384>people.

619
00:36:09.064 --> 00:36:10.174
<00:36:09.064>Make <00:36:09.563>yourself <00:36:10.063>known.

620
00:36:11.204 --> 00:36:13.024
<00:36:11.204>Because <00:36:11.484>that <00:36:11.764>is <00:36:12.044>what's <00:36:12.324>going <00:36:12.604>to

621
00:36:13.964 --> 00:36:17.624
<00:36:13.964>not <00:36:14.080>just <00:36:14.197>make <00:36:14.314>you <00:36:14.430>a <00:36:14.547>senior <00:36:14.663>software <00:36:14.780>developer, <00:36:14.897>but <00:36:15.014>make <00:36:15.130>you <00:36:15.247>a <00:36:15.364>voice

622
00:36:18.124 --> 00:36:18.244
that

623
00:36:19.084 --> 00:36:21.184
<00:36:19.084>needs <00:36:19.317>to <00:36:19.550>be <00:36:19.783>heard, <00:36:20.017>and <00:36:20.250>that's <00:36:20.484>a

624
00:36:22.004 --> 00:36:23.464
<00:36:22.004>very <00:36:22.266>important <00:36:22.529>aspect <00:36:22.792>of <00:36:23.055>your <00:36:23.317>job.

625
00:36:24.404 --> 00:36:25.704
<00:36:24.404>For <00:36:24.696>tech <00:36:24.989>leads <00:36:25.281>and <00:36:25.574>managers,

626
00:36:26.664 --> 00:36:30.064
<00:36:26.664>define <00:36:27.014>senior <00:36:27.364>in <00:36:27.714>observable <00:36:28.064>behaviors.

627
00:36:31.564 --> 00:36:35.324
<00:36:31.564>Most <00:36:31.797>companies <00:36:32.030>define <00:36:32.263>senior <00:36:32.497>as, <00:36:32.730>for <00:36:32.964>example,

628
00:36:35.504 --> 00:36:39.044
<00:36:35.504>five <00:36:35.644>years <00:36:35.784>of <00:36:35.924>experience <00:36:36.064>or <00:36:36.203>knows <00:36:36.344>the <00:36:36.484>tech <00:36:36.624>stack <00:36:36.764>very <00:36:36.904>well.

629
00:36:39.144 --> 00:36:42.784
<00:36:39.144>Useless. <00:36:39.283>If <00:36:39.424>someone <00:36:39.564>wants <00:36:39.703>to <00:36:39.843>grow <00:36:39.984>towards <00:36:40.124>being <00:36:40.263>senior, <00:36:40.404>it's <00:36:40.544>useless.

630
00:36:43.304 --> 00:36:47.264
<00:36:43.304>Observable <00:36:43.504>behavior <00:36:43.704>means <00:36:43.904>write <00:36:44.104>down <00:36:44.304>what <00:36:44.504>a <00:36:44.704>senior

631
00:36:47.304 --> 00:36:50.904
<00:36:47.304>at <00:36:47.459>your <00:36:47.615>company <00:36:47.770>actually <00:36:47.926>does <00:36:48.081>different <00:36:48.237>on <00:36:48.392>a <00:36:48.548>day-to-day <00:36:48.704>basis

632
00:36:51.984 --> 00:36:55.864
<00:36:51.984>What <00:36:52.111>do <00:36:52.238>they <00:36:52.365>do? <00:36:52.493>What <00:36:52.620>do <00:36:52.747>they <00:36:52.874>need <00:36:53.002>to <00:36:53.129>be <00:36:53.256>responsible <00:36:53.384>for?

633
00:36:55.904 --> 00:36:57.684
<00:36:55.904>What <00:36:56.104>are <00:36:56.304>the <00:36:56.504>soft <00:36:56.704>skills <00:36:56.904>that <00:36:57.104>they <00:36:57.304>need?

634
00:36:58.064 --> 00:37:01.954
<00:36:58.064>What <00:36:58.146>are <00:36:58.228>the <00:36:58.311>things <00:36:58.393>that <00:36:58.475>they <00:36:58.558>need <00:36:58.640>to <00:36:58.722>do <00:36:58.805>that <00:36:58.887>a <00:36:58.969>medior <00:36:59.052>or <00:36:59.134>a <00:36:59.216>junior <00:36:59.299>is <00:36:59.381>not <00:36:59.464>doing

635
00:37:01.984 --> 00:37:05.864
<00:37:01.984>right <00:37:02.091>now? <00:37:02.199>Make <00:37:02.307>it <00:37:02.414>very <00:37:02.522>clear <00:37:02.630>and <00:37:02.737>very <00:37:02.845>observable <00:37:02.953>so <00:37:03.060>that <00:37:03.168>people <00:37:03.276>know <00:37:03.384>what

636
00:37:05.904 --> 00:37:09.524
<00:37:05.904>they <00:37:06.044>need <00:37:06.184>to <00:37:06.324>attain <00:37:06.464>in <00:37:06.604>order <00:37:06.744>to <00:37:06.884>be <00:37:07.024>a <00:37:07.164>senior <00:37:07.304>software

637
00:37:09.584 --> 00:37:09.944
developer.

638
00:37:11.144 --> 00:37:14.324
<00:37:11.144>Give <00:37:11.424>mediors <00:37:11.703>scope <00:37:11.984>before <00:37:12.263>they're <00:37:12.544>ready.

639
00:37:15.604 --> 00:37:18.424
<00:37:15.604>That's <00:37:15.779>a <00:37:15.953>very <00:37:16.129>important <00:37:16.303>one <00:37:16.479>because <00:37:16.654>we <00:37:16.828>have <00:37:17.004>the

640
00:37:20.164 --> 00:37:23.304
<00:37:20.164>instinct <00:37:20.364>to <00:37:20.564>wait <00:37:20.764>until <00:37:20.964>someone <00:37:21.164>is <00:37:21.364>a <00:37:21.564>senior

641
00:37:23.944 --> 00:37:26.544
<00:37:23.944>before <00:37:24.177>we <00:37:24.410>give <00:37:24.644>them <00:37:24.877>senior <00:37:25.110>level <00:37:25.344>responsibilities.

642
00:37:26.764 --> 00:37:28.824
<00:37:26.764>But <00:37:26.997>that's <00:37:27.230>backwards <00:37:27.464>because <00:37:27.697>you <00:37:27.930>want <00:37:28.164>to

643
00:37:30.104 --> 00:37:33.674
<00:37:30.104>reward <00:37:30.259>people <00:37:30.415>by <00:37:30.570>saying, <00:37:30.726>"You <00:37:30.881>are <00:37:31.037>now <00:37:31.192>a <00:37:31.348>senior <00:37:31.504>software

644
00:37:33.724 --> 00:37:37.504
<00:37:33.724>developer," <00:37:33.864>if <00:37:34.004>they <00:37:34.144>show <00:37:34.284>that <00:37:34.424>they <00:37:34.564>possess <00:37:34.704>the <00:37:34.844>skills <00:37:34.984>that <00:37:35.124>you

645
00:37:37.604 --> 00:37:40.024
<00:37:37.604>need <00:37:37.837>to <00:37:38.070>have <00:37:38.303>for <00:37:38.537>that <00:37:38.770>specific <00:37:39.004>role.

646
00:37:40.524 --> 00:37:44.184
<00:37:40.524>Give <00:37:40.640>them <00:37:40.757>a <00:37:40.874>project <00:37:40.990>where <00:37:41.107>they <00:37:41.223>can <00:37:41.340>own <00:37:41.457>part <00:37:41.574>of <00:37:41.690>the <00:37:41.807>technical <00:37:41.924>direction.

647
00:37:44.724 --> 00:37:47.944
<00:37:44.724>Let <00:37:45.074>them <00:37:45.424>run <00:37:45.774>cross-team <00:37:46.124>discussions,

648
00:37:49.084 --> 00:37:50.624
<00:37:49.084>so <00:37:49.281>that <00:37:49.480>they <00:37:49.678>can <00:37:49.875>prove <00:37:50.073>that <00:37:50.272>they <00:37:50.470>can.

649
00:37:51.764 --> 00:37:55.664
<00:37:51.764>Don't <00:37:51.904>just <00:37:52.044>make <00:37:52.184>them <00:37:52.324>a <00:37:52.464>senior <00:37:52.604>software <00:37:52.744>developer <00:37:52.884>and <00:37:53.024>then <00:37:53.164>assume

650
00:37:55.724 --> 00:37:58.084
<00:37:55.724>that <00:37:55.824>they <00:37:55.924>are <00:37:56.024>going <00:37:56.124>to <00:37:56.224>do <00:37:56.324>all <00:37:56.424>the <00:37:56.524>things <00:37:56.624>that <00:37:56.724>they <00:37:56.824>need <00:37:56.924>to <00:37:57.024>do. <00:37:57.124>No.

651
00:37:58.944 --> 00:38:00.664
<00:37:58.944>Let <00:37:59.144>them <00:37:59.344>have <00:37:59.544>a <00:37:59.744>taste <00:37:59.944>of <00:38:00.144>it <00:38:00.344>beforehand.

652
00:38:00.734 --> 00:38:04.704
<00:38:00.734>Let <00:38:00.841>them <00:38:00.949>practice, <00:38:01.057>and <00:38:01.164>when <00:38:01.272>you <00:38:01.380>see <00:38:01.487>that <00:38:01.595>they're <00:38:01.703>ready <00:38:01.810>for <00:38:01.918>it, <00:38:02.026>then <00:38:02.134>they

653
00:38:04.744 --> 00:38:06.304
<00:38:04.744>can <00:38:05.024>become <00:38:05.304>a <00:38:05.584>senior <00:38:05.864>software <00:38:06.144>developer.

654
00:38:07.284 --> 00:38:10.424
<00:38:07.284>And <00:38:07.484>then <00:38:07.684>keep <00:38:07.884>growth <00:38:08.084>conversations <00:38:08.284>separate <00:38:08.484>from <00:38:08.684>appraisals.

655
00:38:11.884 --> 00:38:15.584
<00:38:11.884>If <00:38:12.024>every <00:38:12.164>conversation <00:38:12.304>about <00:38:12.444>growth <00:38:12.584>is <00:38:12.724>also <00:38:12.864>a <00:38:13.004>conversation <00:38:13.144>about <00:38:13.284>a

656
00:38:15.624 --> 00:38:19.504
<00:38:15.624>salary <00:38:15.740>or <00:38:15.857>your <00:38:15.973>performance <00:38:16.090>ratings, <00:38:16.207>then <00:38:16.323>people <00:38:16.440>will <00:38:16.557>not <00:38:16.674>be <00:38:16.790>honest <00:38:16.907>with <00:38:17.024>you

657
00:38:19.544 --> 00:38:23.394
<00:38:19.544>anymore. <00:38:19.683>They <00:38:19.824>are <00:38:19.964>going <00:38:20.104>to <00:38:20.243>tell <00:38:20.384>you <00:38:20.524>what <00:38:20.663>sounds <00:38:20.804>good <00:38:20.944>because

658
00:38:23.394 --> 00:38:27.254
<00:38:23.394>they <00:38:23.501>want <00:38:23.609>that <00:38:23.717>salary <00:38:23.824>increase, <00:38:23.932>and <00:38:24.040>they <00:38:24.147>will <00:38:24.255>not <00:38:24.363>tell <00:38:24.470>you <00:38:24.578>where <00:38:24.686>they <00:38:24.794>are

659
00:38:27.324 --> 00:38:28.564
<00:38:27.324>actually <00:38:27.882>struggling. <00:38:28.440>So

660
00:38:29.584 --> 00:38:30.664
<00:38:29.584>having <00:38:29.827>a <00:38:30.070>check-in <00:38:30.313>with <00:38:30.556>them,

661
00:38:31.684 --> 00:38:35.584
<00:38:31.684>being <00:38:31.839>either <00:38:31.995>monthly <00:38:32.150>or <00:38:32.306>every <00:38:32.461>three <00:38:32.617>months <00:38:32.772>or <00:38:32.928>something, <00:38:33.084>that's

662
00:38:35.644 --> 00:38:38.204
<00:38:35.644>purely <00:38:35.924>about <00:38:36.203>their <00:38:36.484>own <00:38:36.763>personal <00:38:37.044>development.

663
00:38:38.804 --> 00:38:41.104
<00:38:38.804>There's <00:38:39.004>nothing <00:38:39.204>at <00:38:39.404>stake. <00:38:39.604>You're <00:38:39.804>not <00:38:40.004>judging <00:38:40.204>them.

664
00:38:41.224 --> 00:38:45.184
<00:38:41.224>You're <00:38:41.351>just <00:38:41.478>talking <00:38:41.605>with <00:38:41.733>them <00:38:41.860>about <00:38:41.987>which <00:38:42.114>areas <00:38:42.242>they <00:38:42.369>can <00:38:42.496>grow <00:38:42.624>in.

665
00:38:45.724 --> 00:38:49.624
<00:38:45.724>That <00:38:45.879>creates <00:38:46.035>safety <00:38:46.190>for <00:38:46.346>them. <00:38:46.501>And <00:38:46.657>in <00:38:46.812>that <00:38:46.968>kind <00:38:47.124>of

666
00:38:49.704 --> 00:38:53.644
<00:38:49.704>safe <00:38:49.984>environment, <00:38:50.264>people <00:38:50.544>will <00:38:50.824>actually <00:38:51.104>grow

667
00:38:53.704 --> 00:38:57.674
<00:38:53.704>for <00:38:53.879>real. <00:38:54.054>If <00:38:54.229>you <00:38:54.404>provide <00:38:54.579>all <00:38:54.754>these <00:38:54.929>things, <00:38:55.104>then

668
00:38:57.704 --> 00:39:01.333
<00:38:57.704>people <00:38:57.820>know <00:38:57.937>what <00:38:58.054>they <00:38:58.170>need <00:38:58.287>to <00:38:58.404>do, <00:38:58.520>they <00:38:58.637>know <00:38:58.754>what <00:38:58.870>they're <00:38:58.987>growing <00:38:59.104>into,

669
00:39:01.804 --> 00:39:05.754
<00:39:01.804>and <00:39:01.891>they <00:39:01.979>will <00:39:02.066>not <00:39:02.154>be <00:39:02.241>afraid <00:39:02.329>to <00:39:02.416>tell <00:39:02.504>you <00:39:02.591>what <00:39:02.679>they <00:39:02.766>still <00:39:02.854>need <00:39:02.941>to <00:39:03.029>work <00:39:03.116>on <00:39:03.204>and

670
00:39:05.784 --> 00:39:07.864
<00:39:05.784>what <00:39:06.017>they <00:39:06.250>are <00:39:06.484>doing <00:39:06.717>well <00:39:06.950>right <00:39:07.184>now.

671
00:39:10.424 --> 00:39:14.273
<00:39:10.424>And <00:39:10.517>that <00:39:10.610>brings <00:39:10.704>us <00:39:10.797>to <00:39:10.890>the <00:39:10.984>end, <00:39:11.077>where <00:39:11.170>we <00:39:11.264>can <00:39:11.357>say <00:39:11.450>that <00:39:11.544>senior <00:39:11.637>developers, <00:39:11.730>they <00:39:11.824>don't

672
00:39:14.324 --> 00:39:16.724
<00:39:14.324>just <00:39:14.524>appear <00:39:14.724>out <00:39:14.924>of <00:39:15.124>nothing. <00:39:15.324>They <00:39:15.524>are <00:39:15.724>grown.

673
00:39:17.244 --> 00:39:21.104
<00:39:17.244>If <00:39:17.399>you <00:39:17.555>provide <00:39:17.710>the <00:39:17.866>environment <00:39:18.021>where <00:39:18.177>they <00:39:18.332>can <00:39:18.488>grow, <00:39:18.644>a

674
00:39:21.264 --> 00:39:25.144
<00:39:21.264>safe <00:39:21.497>environment <00:39:21.730>with <00:39:21.964>a <00:39:22.197>lot <00:39:22.430>of <00:39:22.664>things,

675
00:39:25.604 --> 00:39:29.384
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676
00:39:29.524 --> 00:39:33.324
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677
00:39:33.384 --> 00:39:36.704
<00:39:33.384>medior <00:39:33.584>developers <00:39:33.784>will <00:39:33.984>grow <00:39:34.184>into <00:39:34.384>senior <00:39:34.584>software <00:39:34.784>developers.

678
00:39:36.744 --> 00:39:40.384
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679
00:39:40.744 --> 00:39:44.544
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680
00:39:44.684 --> 00:39:47.954
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681
00:39:48.553 --> 00:39:51.333
<00:39:48.553>they <00:39:48.833>are <00:39:49.113>already <00:39:49.393>within <00:39:49.673>your <00:39:49.953>organization.

682
00:39:53.314 --> 00:39:55.884
<00:39:53.314>Thank <00:39:53.594>you. <00:39:53.874>That <00:39:54.154>was <00:39:54.433>my <00:39:54.714>presentation.

683
00:39:56.324 --> 00:39:59.884
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684
00:39:59.904 --> 00:40:02.884
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685
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<00:40:02.984>I <00:40:03.084>gave <00:40:03.183>you <00:40:03.284>a <00:40:03.384>brief <00:40:03.484>explanation <00:40:03.584>right <00:40:03.683>now, <00:40:03.784>but <00:40:03.884>of <00:40:03.984>course, <00:40:04.084>there's <00:40:04.183>more <00:40:04.284>to <00:40:04.384>it.

686
00:40:06.244 --> 00:40:09.684
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687
00:40:10.344 --> 00:40:13.204
<00:40:10.344>You <00:40:10.499>want <00:40:10.655>to <00:40:10.810>talk <00:40:10.966>about <00:40:11.121>anything <00:40:11.277>IT <00:40:11.432>related, <00:40:11.588>reach <00:40:11.744>out.

688
00:40:13.304 --> 00:40:16.144
<00:40:13.304>I'm <00:40:13.584>happy <00:40:13.864>to <00:40:14.144>continue <00:40:14.424>the <00:40:14.704>conversation.

689
00:40:16.204 --> 00:40:17.304
<00:40:16.204>Thank <00:40:17.194>you.