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410
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411
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413
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<00:25:24.084>idea, <00:25:24.317>brainstorming, <00:25:24.550>or <00:25:24.784>working <00:25:25.017>as <00:25:25.250>a <00:25:25.484>team.

414
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<00:25:31.624>Visible <00:25:31.857>roles <00:25:32.090>matter. <00:25:32.324>Young <00:25:32.557>women <00:25:32.790>should <00:25:33.024>see

415
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<00:25:36.724>other <00:25:36.899>women <00:25:37.073>in <00:25:37.249>the <00:25:37.424>field, <00:25:37.599>like <00:25:37.774>senior <00:25:37.948>engineers, <00:25:38.124>architects,

416
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<00:25:40.804>team <00:25:41.270>leaders, <00:25:41.737>engineering <00:25:42.204>managers.

417
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<00:25:44.464>Not <00:25:44.775>because <00:25:45.088>women <00:25:45.399>need

418
00:25:47.764 --> 00:25:51.504
<00:25:47.764>special <00:25:48.043>treatment, <00:25:48.323>but <00:25:48.603>because <00:25:48.883>representation <00:25:49.164>creates

419
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possibility.

420
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<00:25:53.344>I <00:25:53.484>would <00:25:53.624>like <00:25:53.764>maybe <00:25:53.904>here <00:25:54.044>to <00:25:54.184>talk <00:25:54.324>a <00:25:54.464>little <00:25:54.604>bit <00:25:54.744>about

421
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<00:25:57.284>how <00:25:57.564>I <00:25:57.844>got <00:25:58.124>into <00:25:58.404>this <00:25:58.684>whole

422
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<00:26:01.064>engineering <00:26:01.204>domain. <00:26:01.344>When <00:26:01.484>I <00:26:01.624>was <00:26:01.764>little, <00:26:01.904>I <00:26:02.044>would <00:26:02.184>join <00:26:02.324>my <00:26:02.464>mom

423
00:26:05.464 --> 00:26:08.844
<00:26:05.464>on <00:26:05.580>Saturdays <00:26:05.697>because <00:26:05.813>she <00:26:05.930>still <00:26:06.047>had <00:26:06.164>to <00:26:06.280>work <00:26:06.397>and <00:26:06.514>we <00:26:06.630>didn't <00:26:06.747>have <00:26:06.864>a

424
00:26:08.904 --> 00:26:12.824
<00:26:08.904>babysitter <00:26:09.079>or <00:26:09.254>some <00:26:09.429>other <00:26:09.604>family <00:26:09.779>in <00:26:09.954>town, <00:26:10.129>and <00:26:10.304>my

425
00:26:12.864 --> 00:26:16.463
<00:26:12.864>father <00:26:12.991>was <00:26:13.118>also <00:26:13.245>working. <00:26:13.373>And <00:26:13.500>I <00:26:13.627>would <00:26:13.754>go <00:26:13.882>to <00:26:14.009>her <00:26:14.136>office, <00:26:14.264>and

426
00:26:17.604 --> 00:26:21.504
<00:26:17.604>there <00:26:17.731>was <00:26:17.858>a <00:26:17.985>small <00:26:18.113>team <00:26:18.240>of <00:26:18.367>engineers <00:26:18.494>working <00:26:18.622>there, <00:26:18.749>and <00:26:18.876>my <00:26:19.004>mom

427
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<00:26:21.664>was <00:26:21.988>the <00:26:22.312>only <00:26:22.636>female

428
00:26:23.684 --> 00:26:24.164
engineer.

429
00:26:25.104 --> 00:26:27.324
<00:26:25.104>But <00:26:25.337>it <00:26:25.570>was <00:26:25.804>such <00:26:26.037>a <00:26:26.270>great <00:26:26.504>community.

430
00:26:28.684 --> 00:26:29.404
<00:26:28.684>I <00:26:29.331>felt

431
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<00:26:33.464>it <00:26:33.619>like <00:26:33.775>a <00:26:33.930>family <00:26:34.086>because <00:26:34.241>her <00:26:34.397>colleagues <00:26:34.552>would <00:26:34.708>dance <00:26:34.864>ballet

432
00:26:37.384 --> 00:26:41.104
<00:26:37.384>with <00:26:37.524>me. <00:26:37.664>They <00:26:37.804>would <00:26:37.944>teach <00:26:38.084>me <00:26:38.224>how <00:26:38.364>to <00:26:38.504>use <00:26:38.644>the <00:26:38.784>computer.

433
00:26:41.564 --> 00:26:45.393
<00:26:41.564>I <00:26:41.704>would <00:26:41.844>draw <00:26:41.984>cards <00:26:42.124>for <00:26:42.264>them. <00:26:42.404>We <00:26:42.544>would <00:26:42.684>play <00:26:42.824>solitaire, <00:26:42.964>and

434
00:26:45.484 --> 00:26:49.384
<00:26:45.484>it <00:26:45.611>was <00:26:45.738>just <00:26:45.865>such <00:26:45.993>a <00:26:46.120>great <00:26:46.247>environment <00:26:46.374>for <00:26:46.502>me <00:26:46.629>to <00:26:46.756>grow <00:26:46.884>up

435
00:26:50.244 --> 00:26:54.184
<00:26:50.244>in, <00:26:50.360>and <00:26:50.477>also <00:26:50.593>to <00:26:50.710>see <00:26:50.827>how <00:26:50.944>it <00:26:51.060>was <00:26:51.177>so <00:26:51.293>normal <00:26:51.410>for <00:26:51.527>my <00:26:51.644>mom

436
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<00:26:54.224>to <00:26:54.379>be <00:26:54.535>there, <00:26:54.690>even <00:26:54.846>though <00:26:55.001>she <00:26:55.157>was <00:26:55.312>the <00:26:55.468>only <00:26:55.624>female.

437
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Later,

438
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<00:26:59.604>I <00:26:59.804>went <00:27:00.004>on <00:27:00.204>to <00:27:00.404>study <00:27:00.604>mathematics <00:27:00.804>and <00:27:01.004>informatics

439
00:27:03.564 --> 00:27:06.244
<00:27:03.564>in <00:27:03.797>high <00:27:04.030>school. <00:27:04.264>I <00:27:04.497>went <00:27:04.730>on <00:27:04.964>to

440
00:27:07.844 --> 00:27:11.624
<00:27:07.844>represent <00:27:08.124>my <00:27:08.404>city <00:27:08.684>at <00:27:08.964>the <00:27:09.244>Mathematics

441
00:27:11.724 --> 00:27:14.044
<00:27:11.724>Olympics <00:27:12.424>in <00:27:13.124>Romania.

442
00:27:16.024 --> 00:27:19.644
<00:27:16.024>And <00:27:16.198>I <00:27:16.373>didn't <00:27:16.549>feel <00:27:16.724>weird <00:27:16.899>that <00:27:17.073>I <00:27:17.248>was <00:27:17.424>a

443
00:27:19.744 --> 00:27:21.764
<00:27:19.744>woman <00:27:19.944>there. <00:27:20.144>There <00:27:20.343>were <00:27:20.543>a <00:27:20.744>lot <00:27:20.944>of <00:27:21.144>women.

444
00:27:23.104 --> 00:27:25.764
<00:27:23.104>The <00:27:23.454>shock <00:27:23.804>and <00:27:24.154>this <00:27:24.504>gender

445
00:27:25.984 --> 00:27:29.384
<00:27:25.984>gap <00:27:26.333>appeared <00:27:26.684>in <00:27:27.033>my <00:27:27.384>life

446
00:27:29.884 --> 00:27:33.384
<00:27:29.884>when <00:27:30.039>I <00:27:30.195>moved <00:27:30.350>to <00:27:30.506>Vienna, <00:27:30.661>and <00:27:30.817>I <00:27:30.972>saw <00:27:31.128>that <00:27:31.284>out

447
00:27:33.524 --> 00:27:37.504
<00:27:33.524>of <00:27:33.664>the <00:27:33.803>600 <00:27:33.944>people <00:27:34.083>who <00:27:34.224>were <00:27:34.363>studying <00:27:34.504>computer <00:27:34.643>science <00:27:34.783>at <00:27:34.924>the

448
00:27:37.604 --> 00:27:41.404
<00:27:37.604>technical <00:27:37.804>university <00:27:38.004>there, <00:27:38.204>we <00:27:38.404>were <00:27:38.604>only <00:27:38.804>15% <00:27:39.004>women.

449
00:27:41.924 --> 00:27:45.904
<00:27:41.924>And <00:27:42.079>in <00:27:42.235>almost <00:27:42.390>every <00:27:42.546>class <00:27:42.701>at <00:27:42.857>the <00:27:43.012>end <00:27:43.168>of <00:27:43.324>my

450
00:27:45.984 --> 00:27:47.924
<00:27:45.984>studies, <00:27:46.217>I <00:27:46.450>was <00:27:46.684>the <00:27:46.917>only <00:27:47.150>woman <00:27:47.384>there.

451
00:27:48.684 --> 00:27:49.404
And

452
00:27:50.704 --> 00:27:54.104
<00:27:50.704>then <00:27:50.844>the <00:27:50.984>shock <00:27:51.124>came <00:27:51.264>again <00:27:51.404>when <00:27:51.543>I <00:27:51.684>came <00:27:51.823>back <00:27:51.964>to <00:27:52.104>Romania,

453
00:27:54.824 --> 00:27:57.424
<00:27:54.824>and <00:27:55.024>I <00:27:55.224>saw <00:27:55.424>that <00:27:55.624>at <00:27:55.824>my <00:27:56.024>company, <00:27:56.224>we

454
00:27:58.644 --> 00:28:00.264
<00:27:58.644>are <00:27:59.344>30% <00:28:00.044>women

455
00:28:01.124 --> 00:28:04.804
<00:28:01.124>working <00:28:01.357>there <00:28:01.590>as <00:28:01.824>developers <00:28:02.057>and <00:28:02.290>the <00:28:02.524>HR

456
00:28:04.844 --> 00:28:07.464
<00:28:04.844>department, <00:28:05.044>but <00:28:05.244>there <00:28:05.444>aren't <00:28:05.644>as <00:28:05.844>many <00:28:06.044>people <00:28:06.244>there.

457
00:28:08.384 --> 00:28:12.164
<00:28:08.384>My <00:28:08.559>technical <00:28:08.734>lead <00:28:08.909>is <00:28:09.084>a <00:28:09.259>woman, <00:28:09.434>and <00:28:09.609>she's <00:28:09.784>so

458
00:28:12.224 --> 00:28:16.004
<00:28:12.224>great, <00:28:12.399>and <00:28:12.573>she's <00:28:12.749>so <00:28:12.924>knowledgeable, <00:28:13.099>and <00:28:13.274>it <00:28:13.448>just <00:28:13.624>seems

459
00:28:16.064 --> 00:28:18.284
<00:28:16.064>like <00:28:16.530>a <00:28:16.997>normality <00:28:17.464>here.

460
00:28:22.144 --> 00:28:26.004
<00:28:22.144>We <00:28:22.344>spent <00:28:22.544>years <00:28:22.744>teaching <00:28:22.944>developers <00:28:23.144>how <00:28:23.344>to <00:28:23.544>write

461
00:28:26.124 --> 00:28:29.724
<00:28:26.124>code, <00:28:26.264>but <00:28:26.404>very <00:28:26.544>little <00:28:26.684>time <00:28:26.824>teaching <00:28:26.964>them <00:28:27.104>how <00:28:27.244>to <00:28:27.384>help <00:28:27.524>others

462
00:28:29.884 --> 00:28:33.584
<00:28:29.884>grow. <00:28:30.117>And <00:28:30.350>in <00:28:30.584>my <00:28:30.817>opinion, <00:28:31.050>seniority <00:28:31.284>is

463
00:28:33.604 --> 00:28:37.444
<00:28:33.604>not <00:28:33.837>only <00:28:34.070>technical <00:28:34.304>knowledge, <00:28:34.537>it's <00:28:34.770>also <00:28:35.004>about

464
00:28:37.484 --> 00:28:41.104
<00:28:37.484>being <00:28:37.611>able <00:28:37.738>to <00:28:37.865>tell <00:28:37.993>a <00:28:38.120>junior <00:28:38.247>developer, <00:28:38.374>"I <00:28:38.502>struggled <00:28:38.629>with <00:28:38.756>this <00:28:38.884>too.

465
00:28:41.304 --> 00:28:44.944
<00:28:41.304>You're <00:28:41.459>asking <00:28:41.615>a <00:28:41.770>good <00:28:41.926>question. <00:28:42.081>It's <00:28:42.237>okay <00:28:42.392>not <00:28:42.548>to <00:28:42.704>know."

466
00:28:46.124 --> 00:28:49.964
<00:28:46.124>Because <00:28:46.264>mentoring <00:28:46.404>is <00:28:46.544>a <00:28:46.684>skill, <00:28:46.824>and <00:28:46.964>I <00:28:47.104>think <00:28:47.244>companies <00:28:47.384>should <00:28:47.524>invest

467
00:28:50.024 --> 00:28:51.664
<00:28:50.024>in <00:28:50.490>it <00:28:50.957>much <00:28:51.424>more.

468
00:28:54.624 --> 00:28:57.524
<00:28:54.624>Technical <00:28:54.857>excellence <00:28:55.090>alone <00:28:55.324>does <00:28:55.557>not <00:28:55.790>build <00:28:56.024>teams,

469
00:28:58.464 --> 00:29:02.344
<00:28:58.464>so <00:28:58.619>that's <00:28:58.775>why <00:28:58.930>I <00:28:59.086>feel <00:28:59.241>like <00:28:59.397>a <00:28:59.552>lot <00:28:59.708>of <00:28:59.864>companies

470
00:29:02.584 --> 00:29:06.524
<00:29:02.584>should <00:29:02.934>encourage <00:29:03.284>communication <00:29:03.634>skills, <00:29:03.984>collaboration,

471
00:29:07.004 --> 00:29:10.644
<00:29:07.004>conflict <00:29:07.353>resolution, <00:29:07.704>because <00:29:08.053>strong <00:29:08.404>teams

472
00:29:10.804 --> 00:29:12.304
<00:29:10.804>actually <00:29:11.479>retain <00:29:12.154>people.

473
00:29:14.544 --> 00:29:18.044
<00:29:14.544>And <00:29:14.824>sometimes <00:29:15.104>diversity <00:29:15.384>initiatives <00:29:15.664>focus <00:29:15.944>almost

474
00:29:18.104 --> 00:29:21.544
<00:29:18.104>entirely <00:29:18.384>on <00:29:18.664>recruitment, <00:29:18.944>so <00:29:19.224>scholarships, <00:29:19.504>career

475
00:29:21.664 --> 00:29:25.324
<00:29:21.664>fairs, <00:29:22.014>panels, <00:29:22.364>and <00:29:22.714>those <00:29:23.064>things

476
00:29:25.484 --> 00:29:28.844
<00:29:25.484>are <00:29:25.658>valuable, <00:29:25.833>but <00:29:26.009>I <00:29:26.184>think <00:29:26.359>we're <00:29:26.533>asking <00:29:26.708>the <00:29:26.884>wrong

477
00:29:28.904 --> 00:29:29.564
question.

478
00:29:30.744 --> 00:29:34.544
<00:29:30.744>We <00:29:30.871>shouldn't <00:29:30.998>only <00:29:31.125>ask <00:29:31.253>how <00:29:31.380>we <00:29:31.507>attract <00:29:31.634>more <00:29:31.762>women <00:29:31.889>in <00:29:32.016>this <00:29:32.144>field.

479
00:29:34.584 --> 00:29:38.524
<00:29:34.584>We <00:29:34.739>should <00:29:34.895>also <00:29:35.050>focus <00:29:35.206>on <00:29:35.361>why <00:29:35.517>women <00:29:35.672>who <00:29:35.828>already <00:29:35.984>chose

480
00:29:38.544 --> 00:29:41.704
<00:29:38.544>computer <00:29:38.671>science <00:29:38.798>decide <00:29:38.925>to <00:29:39.053>leave, <00:29:39.180>and <00:29:39.307>how <00:29:39.434>we <00:29:39.562>can <00:29:39.689>make <00:29:39.816>them <00:29:39.944>feel

481
00:29:43.504 --> 00:29:47.304
<00:29:43.504>like <00:29:43.678>they <00:29:43.853>belong <00:29:44.029>and <00:29:44.204>to <00:29:44.379>help <00:29:44.553>them <00:29:44.728>want <00:29:44.904>to

482
00:29:47.384 --> 00:29:48.604
<00:29:47.384>stay <00:29:47.750>in <00:29:48.116>this <00:29:48.482>domain.

483
00:29:49.524 --> 00:29:52.914
<00:29:49.524>Because <00:29:49.803>retention <00:29:50.083>tells <00:29:50.363>something <00:29:50.643>about <00:29:50.924>culture,

484
00:29:53.244 --> 00:29:53.844
and

485
00:29:55.744 --> 00:29:59.564
<00:29:55.744>it's <00:29:55.977>just <00:29:56.210>so <00:29:56.444>important <00:29:56.677>to <00:29:56.910>make <00:29:57.144>everyone

486
00:30:00.164 --> 00:30:03.944
<00:30:00.164>feel <00:30:00.319>like <00:30:00.475>they <00:30:00.630>belong <00:30:00.786>and <00:30:00.941>that <00:30:01.097>they <00:30:01.252>made <00:30:01.408>the <00:30:01.564>right

487
00:30:04.104 --> 00:30:06.824
<00:30:04.104>decision <00:30:04.804>and <00:30:05.504>that

488
00:30:08.424 --> 00:30:12.204
<00:30:08.424>just <00:30:08.599>because <00:30:08.774>you <00:30:08.949>don't <00:30:09.124>find <00:30:09.299>your <00:30:09.474>place <00:30:09.649>in <00:30:09.824>that

489
00:30:12.264 --> 00:30:15.364
<00:30:12.264>moment, <00:30:12.438>it <00:30:12.613>doesn't <00:30:12.789>mean <00:30:12.964>that <00:30:13.139>you <00:30:13.313>made <00:30:13.488>the <00:30:13.664>wrong

490
00:30:15.384 --> 00:30:17.224
<00:30:15.384>choice <00:30:16.784>to

491
00:30:18.304 --> 00:30:20.204
<00:30:18.304>have <00:30:18.770>this <00:30:19.237>technical <00:30:19.704>career.

492
00:30:22.512 --> 00:30:26.372
<00:30:22.512>So <00:30:22.667>I <00:30:22.823>think <00:30:22.978>generally <00:30:23.134>improving <00:30:23.289>the <00:30:23.445>feeling <00:30:23.600>of <00:30:23.756>community, <00:30:23.912>I

493
00:30:26.412 --> 00:30:30.192
<00:30:26.412>said <00:30:26.539>community <00:30:26.666>a <00:30:26.793>lot <00:30:26.921>of <00:30:27.048>times, <00:30:27.175>maybe <00:30:27.302>I <00:30:27.430>should <00:30:27.557>have <00:30:27.684>Googled <00:30:27.812>some

494
00:30:30.232 --> 00:30:31.752
<00:30:30.232>more <00:30:30.574>synonyms <00:30:30.916>for <00:30:31.258>this <00:30:31.600>word.

495
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<00:30:32.832>So <00:30:32.987>this <00:30:33.143>feeling <00:30:33.298>of <00:30:33.454>community <00:30:33.609>and <00:30:33.765>belonging <00:30:33.920>helps <00:30:34.076>everyone, <00:30:34.232>not

496
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<00:30:36.652>only <00:30:36.827>women. <00:30:37.002>It <00:30:37.177>helps <00:30:37.352>everyone <00:30:37.527>just <00:30:37.702>have <00:30:37.877>a <00:30:38.052>good

497
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<00:30:40.652>time <00:30:40.885>and <00:30:41.118>some <00:30:41.352>better <00:30:41.585>onboarding, <00:30:41.818>some <00:30:42.052>better

498
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<00:30:44.512>mentoring, <00:30:45.212>psychological <00:30:45.912>safety,

499
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<00:30:48.092>flexible <00:30:48.372>work, <00:30:48.652>just <00:30:48.932>help <00:30:49.212>people <00:30:49.492>feel

500
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<00:30:51.852>generally <00:30:52.052>welcome <00:30:52.252>and <00:30:52.452>that <00:30:52.652>they <00:30:52.852>have <00:30:53.052>some <00:30:53.252>balance

501
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<00:30:55.852>through <00:30:56.027>their <00:30:56.202>life, <00:30:56.377>and <00:30:56.552>that <00:30:56.727>they <00:30:56.902>can <00:30:57.077>focus <00:30:57.252>on

502
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developing

503
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<00:31:02.032>their <00:31:02.232>skill <00:31:02.432>and <00:31:02.631>delivering <00:31:02.831>excellence <00:31:03.032>because <00:31:03.232>they <00:31:03.432>don't

504
00:31:06.332 --> 00:31:09.592
<00:31:06.332>have <00:31:06.507>always <00:31:06.682>that <00:31:06.857>thought <00:31:07.032>in <00:31:07.207>the <00:31:07.382>back <00:31:07.557>of <00:31:07.732>their

505
00:31:10.592 --> 00:31:13.452
<00:31:10.592>mind <00:31:10.825>that <00:31:11.058>it's <00:31:11.292>not <00:31:11.525>their <00:31:11.758>place <00:31:11.992>here.

506
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<00:31:16.952>I've <00:31:17.127>had <00:31:17.302>the <00:31:17.477>privilege <00:31:17.652>of <00:31:17.827>studying <00:31:18.002>and <00:31:18.177>working <00:31:18.352>in

507
00:31:20.992 --> 00:31:24.812
<00:31:20.992>Vienna, <00:31:21.119>and <00:31:21.246>now <00:31:21.373>living <00:31:21.501>and <00:31:21.628>working <00:31:21.755>in <00:31:21.882>Romania, <00:31:22.010>and <00:31:22.137>if <00:31:22.264>there's <00:31:22.392>one

508
00:31:24.832 --> 00:31:28.232
<00:31:24.832>thing <00:31:24.972>I've <00:31:25.112>learned <00:31:25.252>is <00:31:25.392>that <00:31:25.532>no <00:31:25.672>country <00:31:25.812>has <00:31:25.952>this <00:31:26.092>problem <00:31:26.232>solved.

509
00:31:28.752 --> 00:31:32.362
<00:31:28.752>But <00:31:28.927>some <00:31:29.101>environments <00:31:29.277>make <00:31:29.452>women <00:31:29.627>feel <00:31:29.802>that <00:31:29.976>engineering <00:31:30.152>is

510
00:31:32.392 --> 00:31:35.522
<00:31:32.392>normal, <00:31:32.742>not <00:31:33.092>exceptional, <00:31:33.442>not <00:31:33.792>surprising,

511
00:31:36.012 --> 00:31:39.042
<00:31:36.012>but <00:31:36.212>just <00:31:36.412>normal. <00:31:36.611>And <00:31:36.812>maybe <00:31:37.012>that's <00:31:37.212>the <00:31:37.412>goal.

512
00:31:39.152 --> 00:31:41.812
<00:31:39.152>We <00:31:39.307>don't <00:31:39.463>want <00:31:39.618>to <00:31:39.774>feel <00:31:39.929>like <00:31:40.085>an <00:31:40.240>alien <00:31:40.396>in <00:31:40.552>the

513
00:31:44.012 --> 00:31:47.612
<00:31:44.012>room. <00:31:44.212>We <00:31:44.412>just <00:31:44.611>want <00:31:44.812>to <00:31:45.012>feel <00:31:45.212>accepted <00:31:45.412>and

514
00:31:47.712 --> 00:31:48.072
like

515
00:31:48.872 --> 00:31:51.232
<00:31:48.872>our <00:31:49.338>place <00:31:49.805>here <00:31:50.272>is

516
00:31:53.112 --> 00:31:55.772
<00:31:53.112>just <00:31:53.345>the <00:31:53.578>way <00:31:53.812>it's <00:31:54.045>supposed <00:31:54.278>to <00:31:54.512>be.

517
00:31:56.932 --> 00:31:57.312
Because

518
00:31:59.112 --> 00:32:02.572
<00:31:59.112>maybe <00:31:59.228>that's <00:31:59.345>not <00:31:59.462>the <00:31:59.578>goal <00:31:59.695>of <00:31:59.812>convincing <00:31:59.928>women <00:32:00.045>that <00:32:00.162>they <00:32:00.278>belong <00:32:00.395>in <00:32:00.512>tech,

519
00:32:02.752 --> 00:32:06.392
<00:32:02.752>but <00:32:02.952>building <00:32:03.152>environments <00:32:03.351>where <00:32:03.552>nobody <00:32:03.752>ever <00:32:03.952>has <00:32:04.152>to

520
00:32:06.432 --> 00:32:06.852
wonder

521
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<00:32:08.292>if <00:32:08.492>they <00:32:08.692>belong. <00:32:08.891>Because <00:32:09.091>diversity <00:32:09.292>doesn't <00:32:09.492>begin <00:32:09.692>with

522
00:32:12.032 --> 00:32:14.712
<00:32:12.032>recruitment, <00:32:12.381>it <00:32:12.732>begins <00:32:13.081>with <00:32:13.432>belonging.

523
00:32:17.632 --> 00:32:21.432
<00:32:17.632>Thank <00:32:17.732>you <00:32:17.832>very <00:32:17.932>much <00:32:18.032>for <00:32:18.132>taking <00:32:18.232>your <00:32:18.332>time <00:32:18.432>to <00:32:18.532>watch <00:32:18.632>the <00:32:18.732>whole <00:32:18.832>presentation <00:32:18.932>and <00:32:19.032>hope

524
00:32:21.492 --> 00:32:25.082
<00:32:21.492>you <00:32:21.619>enjoyed <00:32:21.746>it. <00:32:21.873>For <00:32:22.001>any <00:32:22.128>questions, <00:32:22.255>you <00:32:22.382>can <00:32:22.510>reach <00:32:22.637>me <00:32:22.764>through <00:32:22.892>this

525
00:32:25.092 --> 00:32:28.712
<00:32:25.092>platform <00:32:25.247>or <00:32:25.403>per <00:32:25.558>email, <00:32:25.714>and <00:32:25.869>feel <00:32:26.025>free <00:32:26.180>to <00:32:26.336>ask <00:32:26.492>for

526
00:32:28.772 --> 00:32:32.752
<00:32:28.772>links <00:32:28.972>from <00:32:29.172>my <00:32:29.371>research. <00:32:29.572>And <00:32:29.772>yeah, <00:32:29.972>I <00:32:30.172>would

527
00:32:32.792 --> 00:32:36.412
<00:32:32.792>be <00:32:33.025>very <00:32:33.258>happy <00:32:33.492>to <00:32:33.725>talk <00:32:33.958>again <00:32:34.192>about

528
00:32:36.732 --> 00:32:39.222
<00:32:36.732>this <00:32:37.012>subject <00:32:37.292>because <00:32:37.572>this <00:32:37.851>is <00:32:38.132>a

529
00:32:40.232 --> 00:32:43.992
<00:32:40.232>thing <00:32:40.372>very <00:32:40.512>close <00:32:40.652>to <00:32:40.792>my <00:32:40.932>heart, <00:32:41.072>and <00:32:41.212>I <00:32:41.351>feel <00:32:41.492>we <00:32:41.632>can

530
00:32:44.132 --> 00:32:44.552
really

531
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<00:32:45.592>solve <00:32:45.732>this <00:32:45.872>issue <00:32:46.012>and <00:32:46.152>build <00:32:46.292>great <00:32:46.432>communities. <00:32:46.572>Thank <00:32:46.712>you <00:32:46.852>very <00:32:46.992>much.