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378
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382
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384
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Yes.

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399
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400
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402
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403
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404
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405
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406
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<00:22:08.988>possible. <00:22:09.095>And <00:22:09.203>I <00:22:09.311>think <00:22:09.418>that's <00:22:09.526>true <00:22:09.634>with <00:22:09.741>internal <00:22:09.849>tools <00:22:09.957>at <00:22:10.064>hackathons <00:22:10.172>as <00:22:10.280>well, <00:22:10.388>where

408
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409
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410
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<00:22:20.548>ideas <00:22:20.675>that <00:22:20.802>are <00:22:20.929>well <00:22:21.057>executed. <00:22:21.184>Versus <00:22:21.311>if <00:22:21.438>you <00:22:21.566>go <00:22:21.693>to <00:22:21.820>hackathons <00:22:21.948>that

411
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<00:22:24.408>are <00:22:24.608>less <00:22:24.808>about <00:22:25.007>those <00:22:25.207>experimentation <00:22:25.408>or <00:22:25.608>internal <00:22:25.808>tooling

412
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413
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414
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415
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416
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<00:22:44.008>Now, <00:22:44.208>one <00:22:44.408>of <00:22:44.608>the <00:22:44.808>things <00:22:45.008>you <00:22:45.208>announced <00:22:45.408>at

417
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<00:22:46.668>the <00:22:46.784>DevRelCon <00:22:46.901>is <00:22:47.017>that <00:22:47.134>you <00:22:47.251>got <00:22:47.368>now <00:22:47.484>the <00:22:47.601>rights <00:22:47.717>or <00:22:47.834>you <00:22:47.951>took <00:22:48.068>on

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Hacktoberfest.

419
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Yes.

420
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421
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<00:22:56.088>it. <00:22:56.187>Can <00:22:56.288>you <00:22:56.388>tell <00:22:56.488>us <00:22:56.588>what <00:22:56.687>it <00:22:56.788>was <00:22:56.888>and <00:22:56.988>where <00:22:57.088>you <00:22:57.187>want <00:22:57.288>to <00:22:57.388>take <00:22:57.488>it?

422
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423
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<00:23:03.748>a <00:23:03.855>few <00:23:03.963>other <00:23:04.071>companies <00:23:04.178>started <00:23:04.286>about, <00:23:04.394>I <00:23:04.501>want <00:23:04.609>to <00:23:04.717>say <00:23:04.824>almost <00:23:04.932>12 <00:23:05.040>years <00:23:05.148>ago.

424
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<00:23:07.388>It's <00:23:07.504>almost <00:23:07.621>as <00:23:07.737>old <00:23:07.854>as <00:23:07.971>Major <00:23:08.088>League <00:23:08.204>Hacking, <00:23:08.321>if <00:23:08.437>not <00:23:08.554>the <00:23:08.671>same <00:23:08.788>age.

425
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426
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<00:23:13.688>inroad <00:23:13.804>for <00:23:13.921>the <00:23:14.038>next <00:23:14.154>generation <00:23:14.271>of <00:23:14.388>great <00:23:14.504>open <00:23:14.621>source <00:23:14.738>citizens <00:23:14.854>that <00:23:14.971>we <00:23:15.088>need

427
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428
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429
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430
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431
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<00:23:30.768>contributors <00:23:31.218>into <00:23:31.668>the <00:23:32.118>ecosystem.

432
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<00:23:32.688>So <00:23:32.815>for <00:23:32.942>roughly <00:23:33.069>10, <00:23:33.197>12 <00:23:33.324>years, <00:23:33.451>the <00:23:33.578>entire <00:23:33.706>purpose <00:23:33.833>of <00:23:33.960>this <00:23:34.088>event

433
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<00:23:36.548>has <00:23:36.703>been <00:23:36.859>introduce <00:23:37.014>a <00:23:37.170>generation <00:23:37.325>of <00:23:37.481>people <00:23:37.636>who <00:23:37.792>understand <00:23:37.948>that

434
00:23:40.368 --> 00:23:44.288
<00:23:40.368>open <00:23:40.467>source <00:23:40.568>is <00:23:40.668>critical <00:23:40.768>to <00:23:40.868>their <00:23:40.967>growth, <00:23:41.068>to <00:23:41.168>their <00:23:41.268>existence, <00:23:41.368>to <00:23:41.467>what <00:23:41.568>they <00:23:41.668>do <00:23:41.768>every

435
00:23:44.308 --> 00:23:48.028
<00:23:44.308>day, <00:23:44.435>and <00:23:44.562>help <00:23:44.689>them <00:23:44.817>make <00:23:44.944>their <00:23:45.071>first <00:23:45.198>set <00:23:45.326>of <00:23:45.453>contributions <00:23:45.580>in <00:23:45.708>a

436
00:23:48.108 --> 00:23:51.748
<00:23:48.108>high-quality <00:23:48.235>way <00:23:48.362>so <00:23:48.489>that <00:23:48.617>down <00:23:48.744>the <00:23:48.871>line, <00:23:48.998>they <00:23:49.126>can <00:23:49.253>become <00:23:49.380>contributors, <00:23:49.508>maintainers,

437
00:23:52.468 --> 00:23:56.208
<00:23:52.468>users <00:23:52.643>of <00:23:52.818>this <00:23:52.993>open <00:23:53.168>source <00:23:53.343>software <00:23:53.518>in <00:23:53.693>a <00:23:53.868>responsible

438
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<00:23:56.248>and <00:23:56.714>meaningful <00:23:57.181>way. <00:23:57.648>Now,

439
00:23:59.528 --> 00:24:02.888
<00:23:59.528>as <00:23:59.621>somebody <00:23:59.714>who <00:23:59.808>had <00:23:59.901>to <00:23:59.994>take <00:24:00.088>my <00:24:00.181>education <00:24:00.274>in <00:24:00.368>my <00:24:00.461>own <00:24:00.554>hands <00:24:00.648>and <00:24:00.741>was <00:24:00.834>looking <00:24:00.928>for

440
00:24:02.948 --> 00:24:06.868
<00:24:02.948>opportunities <00:24:03.123>to <00:24:03.298>write <00:24:03.473>production <00:24:03.648>software <00:24:03.823>and <00:24:03.998>gain <00:24:04.173>that <00:24:04.348>experience

441
00:24:07.068 --> 00:24:10.748
<00:24:07.068>before <00:24:07.184>I <00:24:07.301>was <00:24:07.418>employable, <00:24:07.534>open <00:24:07.651>source <00:24:07.768>was <00:24:07.884>an <00:24:08.001>incredible <00:24:08.118>vehicle <00:24:08.234>for <00:24:08.351>me <00:24:08.468>to

442
00:24:11.168 --> 00:24:14.868
<00:24:11.168>both <00:24:11.267>understand <00:24:11.368>what <00:24:11.467>production <00:24:11.568>software <00:24:11.668>looked <00:24:11.767>like <00:24:11.868>and <00:24:11.967>how <00:24:12.068>to <00:24:12.168>write <00:24:12.267>it <00:24:12.368>and <00:24:12.467>how <00:24:12.568>to

443
00:24:14.948 --> 00:24:16.108
<00:24:14.948>interface <00:24:15.296>with <00:24:15.644>other <00:24:15.992>engineers.

444
00:24:16.968 --> 00:24:20.888
<00:24:16.968>Today, <00:24:17.095>in <00:24:17.222>this <00:24:17.349>age <00:24:17.477>of <00:24:17.604>AI, <00:24:17.731>I <00:24:17.858>think <00:24:17.986>the <00:24:18.113>challenges <00:24:18.240>around <00:24:18.368>open

445
00:24:20.968 --> 00:24:22.668
<00:24:20.968>source <00:24:21.318>have <00:24:21.668>changed <00:24:22.018>pretty <00:24:22.368>significantly.

446
00:24:23.108 --> 00:24:27.068
<00:24:23.108>As <00:24:23.224>we <00:24:23.341>talked <00:24:23.457>about <00:24:23.574>before, <00:24:23.691>the <00:24:23.808>barrier <00:24:23.924>to <00:24:24.041>writing <00:24:24.158>slop <00:24:24.274>code <00:24:24.391>is <00:24:24.508>so

447
00:24:27.128 --> 00:24:29.268
<00:24:27.128>low, <00:24:27.328>and <00:24:27.528>at <00:24:27.727>the <00:24:27.928>beginning <00:24:28.128>of <00:24:28.328>your <00:24:28.528>journey

448
00:24:30.392 --> 00:24:34.172
<00:24:30.392>You <00:24:30.485>may <00:24:30.578>think <00:24:30.672>that <00:24:30.765>the <00:24:30.858>best <00:24:30.952>way <00:24:31.045>to <00:24:31.138>learn <00:24:31.232>these <00:24:31.325>skills <00:24:31.418>is <00:24:31.512>still <00:24:31.605>through <00:24:31.698>that <00:24:31.792>open

449
00:24:34.212 --> 00:24:38.012
<00:24:34.212>source <00:24:34.352>ecosystem, <00:24:34.492>but <00:24:34.632>effectively <00:24:34.772>what <00:24:34.912>we've <00:24:35.052>created <00:24:35.192>is <00:24:35.331>a <00:24:35.472>bunch <00:24:35.612>of

450
00:24:38.152 --> 00:24:42.112
<00:24:38.152>noise <00:24:38.327>for <00:24:38.502>the <00:24:38.677>maintainers <00:24:38.852>of <00:24:39.027>these <00:24:39.202>libraries <00:24:39.377>and <00:24:39.552>ecosystem

451
00:24:42.152 --> 00:24:45.572
<00:24:42.152>to <00:24:42.292>keep <00:24:42.432>track <00:24:42.572>of. <00:24:42.712>When <00:24:42.852>you're <00:24:42.992>getting <00:24:43.132>inundated <00:24:43.272>with <00:24:43.412>pull <00:24:43.552>requests,

452
00:24:45.672 --> 00:24:49.322
<00:24:45.672>actually <00:24:45.788>ignoring <00:24:45.905>the <00:24:46.022>pull <00:24:46.138>requests <00:24:46.255>and <00:24:46.372>just <00:24:46.488>writing <00:24:46.605>your <00:24:46.722>own <00:24:46.838>and <00:24:46.955>really <00:24:47.072>thinking

453
00:24:49.352 --> 00:24:53.312
<00:24:49.352>about <00:24:49.527>it <00:24:49.702>from <00:24:49.877>that <00:24:50.052>expert <00:24:50.227>software <00:24:50.402>creator, <00:24:50.577>and <00:24:50.752>expert

454
00:24:53.612 --> 00:24:57.452
<00:24:53.612>systems <00:24:53.767>architect <00:24:53.923>perspective <00:24:54.078>is <00:24:54.234>just <00:24:54.389>much <00:24:54.545>more <00:24:54.700>effective <00:24:54.856>than <00:24:55.012>triaging

455
00:24:57.832 --> 00:25:00.132
<00:24:57.832>a <00:24:58.112>million <00:24:58.392>bad <00:24:58.672>PRs. <00:24:58.952>And <00:24:59.232>so

456
00:25:01.172 --> 00:25:04.532
<00:25:01.172>when <00:25:01.299>the <00:25:01.426>opportunity <00:25:01.553>came <00:25:01.681>up <00:25:01.808>for <00:25:01.935>Amalie <00:25:02.062>to <00:25:02.190>help <00:25:02.317>lead <00:25:02.444>and <00:25:02.572>organize

457
00:25:04.572 --> 00:25:05.272
Hacktoberfest,

458
00:25:06.092 --> 00:25:09.632
<00:25:06.092>through <00:25:06.208>our <00:25:06.325>conversation <00:25:06.442>with <00:25:06.558>DigitalOcean, <00:25:06.675>one <00:25:06.792>of <00:25:06.908>the <00:25:07.025>mandates <00:25:07.142>that <00:25:07.258>they <00:25:07.375>gave <00:25:07.492>me

459
00:25:09.672 --> 00:25:12.612
<00:25:09.672>was <00:25:09.799>to <00:25:09.926>think <00:25:10.053>about <00:25:10.181>what <00:25:10.308>does <00:25:10.435>the <00:25:10.562>open <00:25:10.690>source <00:25:10.817>ecosystem <00:25:10.944>need <00:25:11.072>today?

460
00:25:12.692 --> 00:25:15.501
<00:25:12.692>Because <00:25:12.847>the <00:25:13.003>point <00:25:13.158>of <00:25:13.314>this <00:25:13.469>event <00:25:13.625>has <00:25:13.780>always <00:25:13.936>been <00:25:14.092>about

461
00:25:15.552 --> 00:25:19.332
<00:25:15.552>creating <00:25:15.785>the <00:25:16.018>movement <00:25:16.252>and <00:25:16.485>the <00:25:16.718>experience <00:25:16.952>for

462
00:25:19.352 --> 00:25:21.372
<00:25:19.352>people <00:25:19.507>to <00:25:19.663>learn <00:25:19.818>how <00:25:19.974>to <00:25:20.129>be <00:25:20.285>great <00:25:20.440>open <00:25:20.596>source <00:25:20.752>citizens.

463
00:25:21.872 --> 00:25:25.252
<00:25:21.872>And <00:25:21.959>when <00:25:22.047>I <00:25:22.134>think <00:25:22.222>about <00:25:22.309>that <00:25:22.397>in <00:25:22.484>the <00:25:22.572>age <00:25:22.659>of <00:25:22.747>AI, <00:25:22.834>I <00:25:22.922>don't <00:25:23.009>think <00:25:23.097>we <00:25:23.184>need <00:25:23.272>more

464
00:25:25.332 --> 00:25:29.272
<00:25:25.332>contributions. <00:25:25.425>What <00:25:25.518>I <00:25:25.612>do <00:25:25.705>think <00:25:25.798>we <00:25:25.892>need <00:25:25.985>more <00:25:26.078>of <00:25:26.172>and <00:25:26.265>what <00:25:26.358>I <00:25:26.452>think <00:25:26.545>the <00:25:26.638>open <00:25:26.732>source

465
00:25:29.292 --> 00:25:33.072
<00:25:29.292>world <00:25:29.447>needs <00:25:29.603>more <00:25:29.758>of <00:25:29.914>is <00:25:30.069>understanding <00:25:30.225>of <00:25:30.380>open <00:25:30.536>source <00:25:30.692>AI

466
00:25:33.152 --> 00:25:36.832
<00:25:33.152>technology <00:25:33.327>and <00:25:33.502>understanding <00:25:33.677>of <00:25:33.852>the <00:25:34.027>sovereignty <00:25:34.202>and <00:25:34.377>control <00:25:34.552>and

467
00:25:36.952 --> 00:25:39.872
<00:25:36.952>power <00:25:37.185>that <00:25:37.418>comes <00:25:37.652>with <00:25:37.885>using <00:25:38.118>those <00:25:38.352>systems,

468
00:25:40.772 --> 00:25:44.612
<00:25:40.772>that <00:25:40.912>we <00:25:41.052>both <00:25:41.192>can <00:25:41.331>completely <00:25:41.472>run <00:25:41.611>ourselves <00:25:41.752>as <00:25:41.891>well <00:25:42.032>as <00:25:42.172>inspect

469
00:25:44.712 --> 00:25:48.612
<00:25:44.712>and <00:25:44.852>modify <00:25:44.992>in <00:25:45.132>a <00:25:45.272>meaningful <00:25:45.412>way. <00:25:45.552>And <00:25:45.692>so <00:25:45.831>we're <00:25:45.972>refocusing <00:25:46.112>the

470
00:25:48.652 --> 00:25:52.632
<00:25:48.652>event <00:25:48.779>this <00:25:48.906>year <00:25:49.033>to <00:25:49.161>be <00:25:49.288>all <00:25:49.415>around <00:25:49.542>using <00:25:49.670>open <00:25:49.797>source <00:25:49.924>AI <00:25:50.052>technology.

471
00:25:53.012 --> 00:25:56.852
<00:25:53.012>That <00:25:53.111>could <00:25:53.212>be <00:25:53.312>using <00:25:53.412>an <00:25:53.512>open <00:25:53.611>weight <00:25:53.712>model <00:25:53.812>for <00:25:53.912>the <00:25:54.012>first <00:25:54.111>time <00:25:54.212>to <00:25:54.312>understand <00:25:54.412>how

472
00:25:56.872 --> 00:25:59.852
<00:25:56.872>those <00:25:57.072>compare <00:25:57.272>to <00:25:57.472>their <00:25:57.672>powerful <00:25:57.872>closed <00:25:58.072>weight <00:25:58.272>brethren.

473
00:25:59.992 --> 00:26:03.972
<00:25:59.992>Or, <00:26:00.108>maybe <00:26:00.225>it's <00:26:00.341>setting <00:26:00.458>up <00:26:00.575>your <00:26:00.692>own <00:26:00.808>personal <00:26:00.925>agent <00:26:01.042>using <00:26:01.158>an <00:26:01.275>open <00:26:01.392>source

474
00:26:04.052 --> 00:26:06.692
<00:26:04.052>agent <00:26:04.252>framework <00:26:04.452>like <00:26:04.651>OpenClaw <00:26:04.851>or <00:26:05.052>Hermes <00:26:05.252>or <00:26:05.452>Pi.

475
00:26:07.412 --> 00:26:11.072
<00:26:07.412>Maybe <00:26:07.552>it's <00:26:07.692>about <00:26:07.832>publishing <00:26:07.972>a <00:26:08.112>set <00:26:08.252>of <00:26:08.392>open <00:26:08.532>source <00:26:08.672>skills <00:26:08.812>or

476
00:26:11.172 --> 00:26:13.032
<00:26:11.172>tools <00:26:11.405>that <00:26:11.638>other <00:26:11.872>agents <00:26:12.105>can <00:26:12.338>rely <00:26:12.572>on.

477
00:26:13.832 --> 00:26:17.592
<00:26:13.832>But <00:26:13.932>the <00:26:14.032>whole <00:26:14.132>point <00:26:14.232>of <00:26:14.332>this <00:26:14.432>event <00:26:14.532>is <00:26:14.632>about <00:26:14.732>getting <00:26:14.832>people <00:26:14.932>to <00:26:15.032>understand <00:26:15.132>exactly <00:26:15.232>how

478
00:26:17.652 --> 00:26:21.272
<00:26:17.652>powerful <00:26:17.792>the <00:26:17.932>open <00:26:18.072>source <00:26:18.212>and <00:26:18.352>available <00:26:18.492>AI <00:26:18.632>technology <00:26:18.772>is <00:26:18.912>to <00:26:19.052>give

479
00:26:21.332 --> 00:26:25.192
<00:26:21.332>them <00:26:21.507>sovereignty, <00:26:21.682>control, <00:26:21.857>and <00:26:22.032>understanding <00:26:22.207>of <00:26:22.382>these <00:26:22.557>tools <00:26:22.732>and

480
00:26:25.252 --> 00:26:27.352
<00:26:25.252>how <00:26:25.427>they <00:26:25.601>might <00:26:25.777>actually <00:26:25.952>use <00:26:26.127>them <00:26:26.302>in <00:26:26.476>their <00:26:26.652>day-to-day.

481
00:26:27.382 --> 00:26:31.232
<00:26:27.382>And <00:26:27.489>my <00:26:27.597>audacious <00:26:27.705>big <00:26:27.812>goal <00:26:27.920>for <00:26:28.028>the <00:26:28.135>event <00:26:28.243>is <00:26:28.351>that <00:26:28.458>over <00:26:28.566>the <00:26:28.674>course <00:26:28.782>of

482
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<00:26:31.312>October <00:26:31.411>this <00:26:31.512>year, <00:26:31.611>I <00:26:31.712>want <00:26:31.812>to <00:26:31.911>get <00:26:32.012>a <00:26:32.111>million <00:26:32.212>people <00:26:32.312>to <00:26:32.411>touch <00:26:32.512>and <00:26:32.611>use <00:26:32.712>open

483
00:26:35.172 --> 00:26:38.881
<00:26:35.172>source <00:26:35.299>AI <00:26:35.426>technology, <00:26:35.553>and <00:26:35.681>I <00:26:35.808>genuinely <00:26:35.935>believe <00:26:36.062>that's <00:26:36.190>more <00:26:36.317>achievable <00:26:36.444>than <00:26:36.572>ever

484
00:26:38.932 --> 00:26:42.882
<00:26:38.932>before. <00:26:39.048>And <00:26:39.165>it's <00:26:39.282>going <00:26:39.398>to <00:26:39.515>require <00:26:39.632>a <00:26:39.748>community <00:26:39.865>effort <00:26:39.982>and <00:26:40.098>a <00:26:40.215>lot <00:26:40.332>of

485
00:26:42.912 --> 00:26:46.672
<00:26:42.912>work, <00:26:43.039>but <00:26:43.166>I'm <00:26:43.293>very <00:26:43.421>excited <00:26:43.548>about <00:26:43.675>what <00:26:43.802>it <00:26:43.930>means, <00:26:44.057>and <00:26:44.184>I <00:26:44.312>think

486
00:26:46.732 --> 00:26:49.682
<00:26:46.732>that <00:26:46.814>there's <00:26:46.896>a <00:26:46.979>lot <00:26:47.061>of <00:26:47.143>factors <00:26:47.226>in <00:26:47.308>the <00:26:47.390>world <00:26:47.473>coming <00:26:47.555>to <00:26:47.637>a <00:26:47.720>head <00:26:47.802>at <00:26:47.884>the <00:26:47.967>exact <00:26:48.049>time <00:26:48.132>where

487
00:26:49.692 --> 00:26:52.452
<00:26:49.692>this <00:26:49.792>is <00:26:49.892>going <00:26:49.992>to <00:26:50.092>be <00:26:50.192>such <00:26:50.292>a <00:26:50.392>powerful <00:26:50.492>event <00:26:50.592>for <00:26:50.692>a <00:26:50.792>whole <00:26:50.892>generation <00:26:50.992>of <00:26:51.092>people.

488
00:26:53.772 --> 00:26:57.612
<00:26:53.772>Cool. <00:26:53.888>You <00:26:54.005>can <00:26:54.121>always <00:26:54.238>spawn <00:26:54.355>a <00:26:54.472>million <00:26:54.588>agents <00:26:54.705>with <00:26:54.822>avatars <00:26:54.938>and <00:26:55.055>make <00:26:55.172>the...

489
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No,

490
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<00:27:00.832>especially <00:27:01.032>the <00:27:01.232>sovereignty <00:27:01.432>and <00:27:01.632>a <00:27:01.832>contribution <00:27:02.032>to <00:27:02.232>open

491
00:27:04.592 --> 00:27:06.112
<00:27:04.592>source, <00:27:04.820>the <00:27:05.048>thing <00:27:05.276>that <00:27:05.504>really <00:27:05.732>worries <00:27:05.960>me.

492
00:27:06.632 --> 00:27:10.122
<00:27:06.632>One <00:27:06.719>of <00:27:06.807>the <00:27:06.894>things <00:27:06.982>that <00:27:07.069>I <00:27:07.157>had <00:27:07.244>in <00:27:07.332>Microsoft, <00:27:07.419>I <00:27:07.507>worked <00:27:07.594>in <00:27:07.682>open <00:27:07.769>source <00:27:07.857>and <00:27:07.944>people <00:27:08.032>did

493
00:27:10.132 --> 00:27:13.192
<00:27:10.132>not <00:27:10.272>contribute <00:27:10.412>to <00:27:10.552>the <00:27:10.692>stuff <00:27:10.832>that <00:27:10.972>I <00:27:11.112>did <00:27:11.252>for <00:27:11.392>two <00:27:11.532>reasons.

494
00:27:13.272 --> 00:27:16.272
<00:27:13.272>First <00:27:13.365>of <00:27:13.458>all, <00:27:13.552>they <00:27:13.645>said, <00:27:13.738>"Why <00:27:13.831>should <00:27:13.925>I <00:27:14.018>do <00:27:14.111>something <00:27:14.205>for <00:27:14.298>free <00:27:14.391>for <00:27:14.485>a <00:27:14.578>company <00:27:14.672>like

495
00:27:16.312 --> 00:27:19.912
<00:27:16.312>Microsoft <00:27:16.428>that <00:27:16.545>has <00:27:16.661>millions <00:27:16.778>of <00:27:16.895>dollars <00:27:17.012>for <00:27:17.128>random <00:27:17.245>stuff?" <00:27:17.361>Secondly, <00:27:17.478>they <00:27:17.595>thought <00:27:17.712>I

496
00:27:19.952 --> 00:27:23.682
<00:27:19.952>had <00:27:20.068>6,000 <00:27:20.185>engineers <00:27:20.302>in <00:27:20.418>the <00:27:20.535>company <00:27:20.652>better <00:27:20.768>than <00:27:20.885>them <00:27:21.002>on <00:27:21.118>my <00:27:21.235>beck <00:27:21.352>and

497
00:27:23.772 --> 00:27:26.772
<00:27:23.772>call <00:27:23.927>to <00:27:24.083>actually <00:27:24.238>work <00:27:24.394>on <00:27:24.549>the <00:27:24.705>project. <00:27:24.860>I <00:27:25.016>had <00:27:25.172>three.

498
00:27:27.892 --> 00:27:31.452
<00:27:27.892>But <00:27:28.008>yeah, <00:27:28.125>that's <00:27:28.242>the <00:27:28.358>thing. <00:27:28.475>People <00:27:28.592>just <00:27:28.708>expect <00:27:28.825>I'm <00:27:28.942>not <00:27:29.058>good <00:27:29.175>enough <00:27:29.292>to

499
00:27:31.492 --> 00:27:33.392
<00:27:31.492>contribute <00:27:31.772>to <00:27:32.052>an <00:27:32.331>open <00:27:32.611>source <00:27:32.892>project.

500
00:27:34.352 --> 00:27:34.542
But

501
00:27:35.372 --> 00:27:39.352
<00:27:35.372>I <00:27:35.488>think <00:27:35.605>the <00:27:35.722>soft <00:27:35.838>skills <00:27:35.955>around <00:27:36.072>that, <00:27:36.188>how <00:27:36.305>to <00:27:36.422>write <00:27:36.538>a <00:27:36.655>good <00:27:36.772>PR,

502
00:27:39.472 --> 00:27:43.402
<00:27:39.472>how <00:27:39.579>to <00:27:39.687>actually <00:27:39.795>close <00:27:39.902>a <00:27:40.010>good <00:27:40.118>PR, <00:27:40.225>how <00:27:40.333>to <00:27:40.441>communicate <00:27:40.548>in <00:27:40.656>open <00:27:40.764>source <00:27:40.872>with

503
00:27:43.432 --> 00:27:47.332
<00:27:43.432>other <00:27:43.548>people. <00:27:43.665>When <00:27:43.782>I <00:27:43.898>hired <00:27:44.015>engineers, <00:27:44.132>I <00:27:44.248>looked <00:27:44.365>at <00:27:44.482>their <00:27:44.598>GitHub <00:27:44.715>actions, <00:27:44.832>but

504
00:27:47.472 --> 00:27:51.252
<00:27:47.472>I <00:27:47.579>didn't <00:27:47.687>look <00:27:47.795>at <00:27:47.902>their <00:27:48.010>code. <00:27:48.118>I <00:27:48.225>looked <00:27:48.333>at <00:27:48.441>how <00:27:48.548>they <00:27:48.656>dealt <00:27:48.764>with <00:27:48.872>pull

505
00:27:51.312 --> 00:27:55.232
<00:27:51.312>requests, <00:27:51.452>how <00:27:51.591>they <00:27:51.732>wrote <00:27:51.871>pull <00:27:52.012>requests, <00:27:52.151>how <00:27:52.292>they <00:27:52.431>actually <00:27:52.572>commented <00:27:52.712>on

506
00:27:55.292 --> 00:27:58.232
<00:27:55.292>other <00:27:55.408>people's <00:27:55.525>work <00:27:55.641>to <00:27:55.758>see <00:27:55.875>how <00:27:55.992>much <00:27:56.108>they <00:27:56.225>can <00:27:56.341>be <00:27:56.458>part <00:27:56.575>of <00:27:56.692>it.

507
00:27:58.952 --> 00:28:02.372
<00:27:58.952>And, <00:27:59.068>yeah, <00:27:59.185>I'm <00:27:59.302>worried <00:27:59.418>about <00:27:59.535>open <00:27:59.652>source <00:27:59.768>because <00:27:59.885>it's <00:28:00.002>kind <00:28:00.118>of <00:28:00.235>dying <00:28:00.352>out.

508
00:28:02.932 --> 00:28:06.572
<00:28:02.932>The <00:28:03.025>amount <00:28:03.118>of <00:28:03.212>engineers <00:28:03.305>that <00:28:03.398>I <00:28:03.492>see <00:28:03.585>that <00:28:03.678>work <00:28:03.772>on <00:28:03.865>the <00:28:03.958>core <00:28:04.052>products <00:28:04.145>of <00:28:04.238>open <00:28:04.332>source

509
00:28:06.972 --> 00:28:09.332
<00:28:06.972>are <00:28:07.172>older <00:28:07.372>than <00:28:07.572>me, <00:28:07.772>and <00:28:07.972>that's <00:28:08.172>saying <00:28:08.372>something.

510
00:28:09.412 --> 00:28:09.652
And,

511
00:28:10.512 --> 00:28:14.412
<00:28:10.512>I <00:28:10.611>love <00:28:10.712>TYPO3, <00:28:10.812>for <00:28:10.912>example. <00:28:11.012>They <00:28:11.111>work <00:28:11.212>very <00:28:11.312>clever <00:28:11.412>about <00:28:11.512>this, <00:28:11.611>an <00:28:11.712>open <00:28:11.812>source <00:28:11.912>code

512
00:28:14.552 --> 00:28:15.932
<00:28:14.552>management <00:28:14.862>system <00:28:15.173>here <00:28:15.483>in <00:28:15.794>Germany.

513
00:28:16.592 --> 00:28:16.692
Okay.

514
00:28:16.752 --> 00:28:20.712
<00:28:16.752>And <00:28:16.927>to <00:28:17.101>attract <00:28:17.277>younger <00:28:17.452>people, <00:28:17.627>they <00:28:17.802>did <00:28:17.976>surf <00:28:18.152>camps.

515
00:28:20.752 --> 00:28:24.652
<00:28:20.752>So <00:28:20.907>they <00:28:21.063>went <00:28:21.218>to <00:28:21.374>Fuerteventura <00:28:21.529>and <00:28:21.685>basically <00:28:21.840>did <00:28:21.996>surf <00:28:22.152>classes

516
00:28:24.732 --> 00:28:27.692
<00:28:24.732>during <00:28:24.859>the <00:28:24.986>day, <00:28:25.113>and <00:28:25.241>in <00:28:25.368>the <00:28:25.495>evening, <00:28:25.622>they <00:28:25.750>hacked <00:28:25.877>on <00:28:26.004>the <00:28:26.132>project.

517
00:28:28.432 --> 00:28:32.382
<00:28:28.432>And <00:28:28.519>that <00:28:28.607>was <00:28:28.694>a <00:28:28.782>very <00:28:28.869>cool <00:28:28.957>idea <00:28:29.044>to <00:28:29.132>get <00:28:29.219>young <00:28:29.307>people <00:28:29.394>to <00:28:29.482>actually <00:28:29.569>join <00:28:29.657>the <00:28:29.744>project <00:28:29.832>and

518
00:28:32.412 --> 00:28:34.752
<00:28:32.412>become <00:28:32.762>part <00:28:33.112>of <00:28:33.462>TYPO3. <00:28:33.812>And,

519
00:28:35.672 --> 00:28:39.652
<00:28:35.672>I <00:28:35.772>think <00:28:35.872>I <00:28:35.972>can <00:28:36.072>call <00:28:36.172>out <00:28:36.272>to <00:28:36.372>everybody <00:28:36.472>out <00:28:36.572>there, <00:28:36.672>take <00:28:36.772>part <00:28:36.872>in <00:28:36.972>this <00:28:37.072>because

520
00:28:39.692 --> 00:28:41.122
<00:28:39.692>it's <00:28:40.121>very <00:28:40.550>important <00:28:40.979>and

521
00:28:42.372 --> 00:28:45.392
<00:28:42.372>for <00:28:42.512>somebody <00:28:42.652>like <00:28:42.792>me <00:28:42.932>who <00:28:43.072>didn't <00:28:43.212>come <00:28:43.352>from <00:28:43.492>any <00:28:43.632>education <00:28:43.772>or

522
00:28:45.472 --> 00:28:49.092
<00:28:45.472>a <00:28:45.822>formal <00:28:46.172>education, <00:28:46.522>and <00:28:46.872>also,

523
00:28:49.612 --> 00:28:53.072
<00:28:49.612>yeah, <00:28:49.767>my <00:28:49.923>family <00:28:50.078>was <00:28:50.234>coal <00:28:50.389>miners, <00:28:50.545>now <00:28:50.700>I'm <00:28:50.856>data <00:28:51.012>miner.

524
00:28:53.632 --> 00:28:53.812
And

525
00:28:54.752 --> 00:28:57.672
<00:28:54.752>open <00:28:54.927>source <00:28:55.101>was <00:28:55.277>the <00:28:55.452>thing <00:28:55.627>that <00:28:55.802>empowered <00:28:55.976>me, <00:28:56.152>basically.

526
00:28:57.732 --> 00:28:57.952
Yep.

527
00:28:57.992 --> 00:29:01.962
<00:28:57.992>And <00:28:58.132>I <00:28:58.272>gave <00:28:58.412>back <00:28:58.552>because <00:28:58.692>I <00:28:58.831>took <00:28:58.972>it <00:28:59.111>and <00:28:59.252>used <00:28:59.392>it,

528
00:29:02.362 --> 00:29:06.272
<00:29:02.362>and <00:29:02.469>I <00:29:02.577>think <00:29:02.685>it's <00:29:02.792>very <00:29:02.900>important <00:29:03.008>in <00:29:03.115>this <00:29:03.223>AI <00:29:03.331>world <00:29:03.438>right <00:29:03.546>now, <00:29:03.654>where <00:29:03.762>bots

529
00:29:06.512 --> 00:29:10.502
<00:29:06.512>scrape <00:29:06.652>everything <00:29:06.792>that <00:29:06.932>is <00:29:07.072>out <00:29:07.212>there <00:29:07.351>and <00:29:07.492>reuse <00:29:07.631>it <00:29:07.772>for <00:29:07.912>tokens

530
00:29:10.532 --> 00:29:11.522
<00:29:10.532>and <00:29:10.754>making <00:29:10.977>money <00:29:11.200>with <00:29:11.423>it.

531
00:29:12.672 --> 00:29:15.632
<00:29:12.672>Getting <00:29:12.827>that <00:29:12.983>ethics <00:29:13.138>in <00:29:13.294>there <00:29:13.449>is <00:29:13.605>going <00:29:13.760>to <00:29:13.916>be <00:29:14.072>interesting.

532
00:29:15.672 --> 00:29:16.072
Yeah.

533
00:29:17.212 --> 00:29:20.392
<00:29:17.212>There's <00:29:17.299>so <00:29:17.387>many <00:29:17.474>issues <00:29:17.562>at <00:29:17.649>play <00:29:17.737>in <00:29:17.824>the <00:29:17.912>world <00:29:17.999>right <00:29:18.087>now <00:29:18.174>that <00:29:18.262>are, <00:29:18.349>like <00:29:18.437>I <00:29:18.524>said, <00:29:18.612>all

534
00:29:20.412 --> 00:29:22.892
<00:29:20.412>coming <00:29:20.587>to <00:29:20.762>a <00:29:20.937>head <00:29:21.112>at <00:29:21.287>exactly <00:29:21.462>the <00:29:21.637>same <00:29:21.812>time.

535
00:29:22.952 --> 00:29:26.482
<00:29:22.952>You <00:29:23.107>think <00:29:23.263>about <00:29:23.418>things <00:29:23.574>like <00:29:23.729>the <00:29:23.885>releases <00:29:24.040>from <00:29:24.196>Anthropic <00:29:24.352>and

536
00:29:26.532 --> 00:29:30.202
<00:29:26.532>OpenAI <00:29:26.672>and <00:29:26.812>the <00:29:26.952>relationship <00:29:27.091>with <00:29:27.232>the <00:29:27.371>US <00:29:27.512>government <00:29:27.651>and <00:29:27.792>how <00:29:27.932>they

537
00:29:30.512 --> 00:29:34.172
<00:29:30.512>are <00:29:30.712>changing <00:29:30.912>what <00:29:31.111>models <00:29:31.312>everybody <00:29:31.512>has <00:29:31.712>access <00:29:31.912>to.

538
00:29:34.232 --> 00:29:37.372
<00:29:34.232>You <00:29:34.407>think <00:29:34.581>about <00:29:34.757>things <00:29:34.932>like <00:29:35.107>the <00:29:35.282>idea <00:29:35.456>of <00:29:35.632>cost,

539
00:29:37.592 --> 00:29:40.922
<00:29:37.592>literally <00:29:37.747>every <00:29:37.903>company <00:29:38.058>is <00:29:38.214>in <00:29:38.369>crisis <00:29:38.525>right <00:29:38.680>now <00:29:38.836>thinking <00:29:38.992>about

540
00:29:40.922 --> 00:29:44.392
<00:29:40.922>the <00:29:41.049>out <00:29:41.176>of <00:29:41.303>control <00:29:41.431>token <00:29:41.558>economics <00:29:41.685>that <00:29:41.812>are <00:29:41.940>happening <00:29:42.067>for <00:29:42.194>their <00:29:42.322>organizations.

541
00:29:44.412 --> 00:29:45.792
<00:29:44.412>But <00:29:44.826>think <00:29:45.240>about <00:29:45.654>individuals.

542
00:29:46.752 --> 00:29:50.592
<00:29:46.752>This <00:29:46.879>technology's <00:29:47.006>being <00:29:47.133>adopted <00:29:47.261>by <00:29:47.388>consumers <00:29:47.515>faster <00:29:47.642>than <00:29:47.770>businesses, <00:29:47.897>and <00:29:48.024>not <00:29:48.152>every

543
00:29:50.632 --> 00:29:53.992
<00:29:50.632>person <00:29:50.787>can <00:29:50.943>afford <00:29:51.098>a <00:29:51.254>$200 <00:29:51.409>a <00:29:51.565>month <00:29:51.720>subscription <00:29:51.876>plan <00:29:52.032>for

544
00:29:54.412 --> 00:29:56.932
<00:29:54.412>one <00:29:54.692>of <00:29:54.972>these <00:29:55.252>APIs. <00:29:55.532>And <00:29:55.812>so

545
00:29:57.952 --> 00:30:01.672
<00:29:57.952>those <00:29:58.107>two <00:29:58.263>issues <00:29:58.418>alone, <00:29:58.574>I <00:29:58.729>think, <00:29:58.885>lend <00:29:59.040>itself <00:29:59.196>to <00:29:59.352>the

546
00:30:01.792 --> 00:30:05.612
<00:30:01.792>need <00:30:01.885>for <00:30:01.978>open <00:30:02.072>source <00:30:02.165>and <00:30:02.258>why <00:30:02.351>I <00:30:02.445>certainly <00:30:02.538>agree <00:30:02.631>that <00:30:02.725>open <00:30:02.818>source <00:30:02.911>as <00:30:03.005>we <00:30:03.098>knew <00:30:03.192>it

547
00:30:05.712 --> 00:30:05.942
is...

548
00:30:07.872 --> 00:30:11.512
<00:30:07.872>Dying <00:30:07.988>is <00:30:08.105>a <00:30:08.222>strong <00:30:08.338>word. <00:30:08.455>I <00:30:08.572>would <00:30:08.688>definitely <00:30:08.805>say <00:30:08.922>changing <00:30:09.038>radically <00:30:09.155>and <00:30:09.272>withering

549
00:30:11.552 --> 00:30:13.712
<00:30:11.552>maybe <00:30:11.726>is <00:30:11.901>a <00:30:12.077>different <00:30:12.252>way <00:30:12.427>to <00:30:12.601>think <00:30:12.776>about <00:30:12.952>it.

550
00:30:14.112 --> 00:30:14.412
But

551
00:30:15.452 --> 00:30:19.132
<00:30:15.452>there's <00:30:15.559>a <00:30:15.667>new <00:30:15.775>type <00:30:15.882>of <00:30:15.990>open <00:30:16.098>source <00:30:16.205>emerging, <00:30:16.313>which <00:30:16.421>I <00:30:16.528>think <00:30:16.636>is <00:30:16.744>just <00:30:16.852>as

552
00:30:19.172 --> 00:30:23.092
<00:30:19.172>important, <00:30:19.347>though <00:30:19.522>it's <00:30:19.697>going <00:30:19.872>to <00:30:20.047>serve <00:30:20.222>a <00:30:20.397>very <00:30:20.572>different

553
00:30:23.132 --> 00:30:26.892
<00:30:23.132>function. <00:30:23.307>And <00:30:23.482>what <00:30:23.657>I <00:30:23.832>mean <00:30:24.007>by <00:30:24.182>that <00:30:24.357>is <00:30:24.532>what

554
00:30:26.992 --> 00:30:29.072
<00:30:26.992>was <00:30:27.192>the <00:30:27.392>point <00:30:27.591>of <00:30:27.792>open <00:30:27.992>source <00:30:28.192>software <00:30:28.392>originally?

555
00:30:29.112 --> 00:30:33.092
<00:30:29.112>It <00:30:29.267>was <00:30:29.423>about <00:30:29.578>shared <00:30:29.734>alternatives <00:30:29.889>to <00:30:30.045>the <00:30:30.200>tools <00:30:30.356>that <00:30:30.512>were

556
00:30:33.152 --> 00:30:34.392
<00:30:33.152>out <00:30:33.710>there <00:30:34.268>and

557
00:30:35.340 --> 00:30:37.170
<00:30:35.340>In <00:30:35.620>a <00:30:35.899>world <00:30:36.179>where <00:30:36.459>agents <00:30:36.740>can

558
00:30:38.300 --> 00:30:42.140
<00:30:38.300>create <00:30:38.407>the <00:30:38.515>trivial <00:30:38.623>open <00:30:38.730>source <00:30:38.838>software <00:30:38.946>that <00:30:39.053>exists <00:30:39.161>in <00:30:39.269>the <00:30:39.376>world, <00:30:39.484>the <00:30:39.592>things <00:30:39.700>that

559
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.970
<00:30:42.160>start <00:30:42.276>to <00:30:42.393>matter <00:30:42.510>in <00:30:42.626>that <00:30:42.743>context <00:30:42.860>of <00:30:42.976>shared <00:30:43.093>infrastructure <00:30:43.210>are <00:30:43.326>the <00:30:43.443>big <00:30:43.560>projects,

560
00:30:46.040 --> 00:30:49.340
<00:30:46.040>right? <00:30:46.167>The <00:30:46.294>things <00:30:46.421>that <00:30:46.549>are <00:30:46.676>not <00:30:46.803>trivial <00:30:46.930>to <00:30:47.058>recreate, <00:30:47.185>and <00:30:47.312>that <00:30:47.440>are

561
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.540
<00:30:49.400>ultimately <00:30:49.600>infrastructure <00:30:49.800>for <00:30:50.000>all <00:30:50.200>of <00:30:50.400>us <00:30:50.600>to <00:30:50.800>use.

562
00:30:52.580 --> 00:30:53.690
<00:30:52.580>But <00:30:52.746>on <00:30:52.913>the <00:30:53.079>flip <00:30:53.246>side <00:30:53.412>of <00:30:53.579>that,

563
00:30:54.540 --> 00:30:57.930
<00:30:54.540>the <00:30:54.667>beauty <00:30:54.794>of <00:30:54.921>all <00:30:55.049>this <00:30:55.176>is <00:30:55.303>that <00:30:55.430>the <00:30:55.558>tools <00:30:55.685>that <00:30:55.812>are <00:30:55.940>out

564
00:30:57.980 --> 00:31:01.240
<00:30:57.980>there <00:30:58.155>that <00:30:58.330>are <00:30:58.505>a <00:30:58.680>part <00:30:58.855>of <00:30:59.030>this <00:30:59.205>ecosystem <00:30:59.380>are

565
00:31:01.540 --> 00:31:04.480
<00:31:01.540>available <00:31:01.680>and <00:31:01.820>just <00:31:01.960>not <00:31:02.100>being <00:31:02.240>utilized <00:31:02.379>in <00:31:02.520>a <00:31:02.659>meaningful <00:31:02.800>way <00:31:02.940>yet.

566
00:31:04.540 --> 00:31:08.520
<00:31:04.540>And <00:31:04.656>I <00:31:04.773>think <00:31:04.889>if <00:31:05.006>we <00:31:05.123>can <00:31:05.240>encourage <00:31:05.356>people <00:31:05.473>to <00:31:05.590>use <00:31:05.706>them <00:31:05.823>and <00:31:05.940>to

567
00:31:08.560 --> 00:31:11.790
<00:31:08.560>rely <00:31:08.659>on <00:31:08.760>them <00:31:08.860>consistently, <00:31:08.960>and <00:31:09.060>then <00:31:09.159>we <00:31:09.260>can <00:31:09.360>teach <00:31:09.460>them, <00:31:09.560>once <00:31:09.659>you're <00:31:09.760>relying <00:31:09.860>on <00:31:09.960>them,

568
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.500
<00:31:12.180>how <00:31:12.287>to <00:31:12.395>help <00:31:12.503>make <00:31:12.610>them <00:31:12.718>better <00:31:12.826>in <00:31:12.933>the <00:31:13.041>future, <00:31:13.149>whether <00:31:13.256>that's <00:31:13.364>through <00:31:13.472>data <00:31:13.580>or

569
00:31:15.520 --> 00:31:16.740
<00:31:15.520>contributions <00:31:16.618>or

570
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.620
<00:31:17.720>even <00:31:17.847>just <00:31:17.974>awareness, <00:31:18.101>right? <00:31:18.229>A <00:31:18.356>lot <00:31:18.483>of <00:31:18.610>these <00:31:18.738>things, <00:31:18.865>like <00:31:18.992>money <00:31:19.120>follows

571
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.960
<00:31:21.680>awareness <00:31:21.820>and <00:31:21.960>eyeballs <00:31:22.100>in <00:31:22.240>a <00:31:22.380>lot <00:31:22.520>of <00:31:22.660>ways <00:31:22.800>for <00:31:22.940>open <00:31:23.080>source.

572
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.920
<00:31:24.000>And <00:31:24.116>so, <00:31:24.233>I <00:31:24.350>think <00:31:24.466>those <00:31:24.583>all <00:31:24.700>are <00:31:24.816>factors <00:31:24.933>at <00:31:25.050>play, <00:31:25.166>but <00:31:25.283>there's <00:31:25.400>a

573
00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:30.760
<00:31:28.040>lot <00:31:28.133>changing <00:31:28.226>right <00:31:28.320>now, <00:31:28.413>and <00:31:28.506>I <00:31:28.600>think <00:31:28.693>it's <00:31:28.786>hard <00:31:28.879>to <00:31:28.973>predict <00:31:29.066>what <00:31:29.159>it's <00:31:29.253>going <00:31:29.346>to <00:31:29.440>look

574
00:31:30.780 --> 00:31:32.600
<00:31:30.780>like <00:31:30.935>a <00:31:31.091>year <00:31:31.246>or <00:31:31.402>two <00:31:31.557>years, <00:31:31.713>10 <00:31:31.868>years <00:31:32.024>from <00:31:32.180>now.

575
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.860
<00:31:33.880>Yeah, <00:31:34.055>for <00:31:34.230>sure. <00:31:34.405>The <00:31:34.580>other <00:31:34.755>thing, <00:31:34.930>that <00:31:35.105>gatekeeping <00:31:35.280>of,

576
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.190
<00:31:38.400>okay, <00:31:38.493>you've <00:31:38.586>got <00:31:38.680>to <00:31:38.773>be <00:31:38.866>an <00:31:38.960>engineer <00:31:39.053>that's <00:31:39.146>AI <00:31:39.240>powered, <00:31:39.333>and <00:31:39.426>you <00:31:39.520>have <00:31:39.613>to <00:31:39.706>spend <00:31:39.800>money

577
00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:43.850
<00:31:42.220>to <00:31:42.500>be <00:31:42.780>part <00:31:43.060>of <00:31:43.340>it. <00:31:43.620>I

578
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.760
<00:31:44.880>came <00:31:45.020>from <00:31:45.160>enterprise <00:31:45.300>software <00:31:45.440>as <00:31:45.580>my <00:31:45.720>first <00:31:45.860>jobs, <00:31:46.000>and <00:31:46.140>I'm <00:31:46.280>like,

579
00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:52.680
<00:31:48.980>I <00:31:49.096>had <00:31:49.213>to <00:31:49.330>send <00:31:49.446>my <00:31:49.563>engineers <00:31:49.680>to <00:31:49.796>$3,000 <00:31:49.913>training <00:31:50.030>courses <00:31:50.146>just <00:31:50.263>to <00:31:50.380>be

580
00:31:52.760 --> 00:31:56.740
<00:31:52.760>allowed <00:31:52.915>to <00:31:53.071>write <00:31:53.226>software <00:31:53.382>for <00:31:53.537>a <00:31:53.693>50,000 <00:31:53.848>pound <00:31:54.004>content <00:31:54.160>management

581
00:31:56.820 --> 00:32:00.439
<00:31:56.820>system <00:31:56.913>that <00:31:57.006>was <00:31:57.100>closed <00:31:57.193>source, <00:31:57.286>and <00:31:57.379>we <00:31:57.473>had <00:31:57.566>no <00:31:57.659>idea <00:31:57.753>when <00:31:57.846>the <00:31:57.939>next <00:31:58.033>feature <00:31:58.126>would <00:31:58.220>come.

582
00:32:00.790 --> 00:32:00.790
Yeah.

583
00:32:00.810 --> 00:32:04.680
<00:32:00.810>And <00:32:00.965>I <00:32:01.121>hated <00:32:01.276>that <00:32:01.432>so <00:32:01.587>much <00:32:01.743>that <00:32:01.898>I <00:32:02.054>dedicated <00:32:02.210>a

584
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.640
<00:32:04.720>lot <00:32:04.813>to <00:32:04.906>open <00:32:05.000>source <00:32:05.093>because <00:32:05.186>I'm <00:32:05.280>like, <00:32:05.373>okay, <00:32:05.466>if <00:32:05.560>I <00:32:05.653>get <00:32:05.746>run <00:32:05.840>over <00:32:05.933>by <00:32:06.026>a <00:32:06.120>bus

585
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.760
<00:32:08.680>tomorrow, <00:32:08.960>everything <00:32:09.240>I've <00:32:09.520>done <00:32:09.800>lives <00:32:10.080>on.

586
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:11.410
Yeah.

587
00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:15.400
<00:32:11.410>And <00:32:11.550>that's <00:32:11.690>a <00:32:11.830>very <00:32:11.970>important <00:32:12.110>part. <00:32:12.250>The <00:32:12.390>resilience <00:32:12.530>of <00:32:12.670>open <00:32:12.810>source

588
00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:19.440
<00:32:15.500>software <00:32:15.675>compared <00:32:15.850>to <00:32:16.025>closed <00:32:16.200>environments <00:32:16.375>is <00:32:16.550>something <00:32:16.725>that <00:32:16.900>a

589
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.180
<00:32:19.480>lot <00:32:19.760>of <00:32:20.040>people <00:32:20.320>underestimate <00:32:20.600>as <00:32:20.880>well.

590
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.120
<00:32:21.240>That's <00:32:21.367>like, <00:32:21.494>of <00:32:21.621>course, <00:32:21.749>it <00:32:21.876>seems <00:32:22.003>like, <00:32:22.130>oh, <00:32:22.258>it's <00:32:22.385>so <00:32:22.512>insecure <00:32:22.640>because

591
00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:28.540
<00:32:25.220>everything <00:32:25.320>is <00:32:25.420>open. <00:32:25.520>Yeah, <00:32:25.620>but <00:32:25.720>it <00:32:25.820>can <00:32:25.920>be <00:32:26.020>fixed <00:32:26.120>much <00:32:26.220>faster <00:32:26.320>because <00:32:26.420>it's <00:32:26.520>open <00:32:26.620>as

592
00:32:28.580 --> 00:32:28.820
well.

593
00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:29.680
Yes.

594
00:32:29.980 --> 00:32:30.180
So

595
00:32:31.120 --> 00:32:35.060
<00:32:31.120>it <00:32:31.213>will <00:32:31.306>be <00:32:31.399>interesting <00:32:31.493>to <00:32:31.586>see <00:32:31.679>what <00:32:31.773>we <00:32:31.866>can <00:32:31.959>do <00:32:32.053>with <00:32:32.146>that <00:32:32.239>Hacktoberfest <00:32:32.333>thing <00:32:32.426>and <00:32:32.520>how

596
00:32:35.100 --> 00:32:38.750
<00:32:35.100>it's <00:32:35.187>changed, <00:32:35.274>because <00:32:35.362>it <00:32:35.449>had <00:32:35.537>a <00:32:35.625>bad <00:32:35.712>reputation <00:32:35.800>at <00:32:35.887>the <00:32:35.975>end <00:32:36.062>as <00:32:36.149>well, <00:32:36.237>where <00:32:36.324>a <00:32:36.412>lot <00:32:36.500>of

597
00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:41.940
<00:32:38.760>people <00:32:38.876>said, <00:32:38.993>"Okay, <00:32:39.110>companies <00:32:39.226>want <00:32:39.343>you <00:32:39.460>to <00:32:39.576>work <00:32:39.693>for <00:32:39.810>free <00:32:39.926>for <00:32:40.043>a <00:32:40.160>T-shirt

598
00:32:41.980 --> 00:32:42.840
now."

599
00:32:42.860 --> 00:32:42.920
Yeah.

600
00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:45.579
<00:32:42.940>Which <00:32:43.095>was <00:32:43.251>a <00:32:43.406>misunderstanding <00:32:43.562>of <00:32:43.717>it <00:32:43.873>as <00:32:44.028>well, <00:32:44.184>I <00:32:44.340>think.

601
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.980
<00:32:45.680>But <00:32:45.835>it <00:32:45.991>had <00:32:46.146>that <00:32:46.302>reputation <00:32:46.457>for <00:32:46.613>a <00:32:46.768>while <00:32:46.924>because <00:32:47.080>people

602
00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:51.220
<00:32:49.080>just <00:32:49.429>took <00:32:49.780>it <00:32:50.129>too <00:32:50.480>much.

603
00:32:51.260 --> 00:32:52.120
Yeah.

604
00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:56.040
<00:32:52.900>One <00:32:52.993>thing <00:32:53.086>that <00:32:53.180>fascinates <00:32:53.273>me <00:32:53.366>as <00:32:53.460>well <00:32:53.553>is <00:32:53.646>when <00:32:53.740>I <00:32:53.833>see <00:32:53.926>the <00:32:54.020>prize <00:32:54.113>money <00:32:54.206>and <00:32:54.300>the

605
00:32:56.100 --> 00:32:59.800
<00:32:56.100>hackathons <00:32:56.207>that <00:32:56.315>you <00:32:56.423>list <00:32:56.530>on <00:32:56.638>your <00:32:56.746>website, <00:32:56.853>for <00:32:56.961>example, <00:32:57.069>or <00:32:57.176>on <00:32:57.284>other <00:32:57.392>companies <00:32:57.500>that

606
00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:00.140
<00:32:59.840>do <00:33:00.110>that,

607
00:33:01.300 --> 00:33:04.180
<00:33:01.300>and <00:33:01.427>people <00:33:01.554>emailing <00:33:01.681>me <00:33:01.809>like, <00:33:01.936>"Oh, <00:33:02.063>I <00:33:02.190>found <00:33:02.318>a <00:33:02.445>security <00:33:02.572>bug <00:33:02.700>in

608
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.780
<00:33:04.200>christianheimann.com. <00:33:04.327>Do <00:33:04.454>you <00:33:04.581>have <00:33:04.709>a <00:33:04.836>bug <00:33:04.963>bounty <00:33:05.090>and <00:33:05.218>can <00:33:05.345>you <00:33:05.472>give <00:33:05.600>me

609
00:33:07.790 --> 00:33:10.000
<00:33:07.790>$2,000?" <00:33:08.070>And <00:33:08.350>I'm <00:33:08.629>like, <00:33:08.909>"It's <00:33:09.190>WordPress.

610
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.360
<00:33:10.160>I <00:33:10.276>don't <00:33:10.393>do <00:33:10.510>anything <00:33:10.626>on <00:33:10.743>that <00:33:10.860>thing." <00:33:10.976>"And <00:33:11.093>no, <00:33:11.210>I <00:33:11.326>don't <00:33:11.443>have <00:33:11.560>$2,000."

611
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.360
<00:33:15.000>But <00:33:15.175>do <00:33:15.350>you <00:33:15.525>see <00:33:15.700>that <00:33:15.875>there's <00:33:16.050>people <00:33:16.225>that <00:33:16.400>actually

612
00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:22.960
<00:33:19.560>build <00:33:19.909>hackathon <00:33:20.260>contribution <00:33:20.610>and <00:33:20.960>hackathon

613
00:33:23.080 --> 00:33:25.160
<00:33:23.080>winning <00:33:23.429>a <00:33:23.780>business <00:33:24.129>for <00:33:24.480>themselves?

614
00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:28.840
<00:33:25.820>So <00:33:26.020>it's <00:33:26.220>less <00:33:26.419>common <00:33:26.620>in <00:33:26.820>the <00:33:27.020>MLH <00:33:27.220>ecosystem

615
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.540
<00:33:28.880>today <00:33:29.080>by <00:33:29.280>philosophy, <00:33:29.480>but <00:33:29.680>it <00:33:29.880>definitely <00:33:30.080>still <00:33:30.280>exists.

616
00:33:32.600 --> 00:33:33.320
So

617
00:33:34.220 --> 00:33:38.020
<00:33:34.220>there <00:33:34.336>are <00:33:34.453>people <00:33:34.570>who <00:33:34.686>are <00:33:34.803>prolific <00:33:34.920>hackathoners <00:33:35.036>that <00:33:35.153>basically <00:33:35.270>just <00:33:35.386>go <00:33:35.503>around <00:33:35.620>and

618
00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:42.340
<00:33:38.980>win <00:33:39.096>prizes <00:33:39.213>at <00:33:39.330>events <00:33:39.446>to <00:33:39.563>pay <00:33:39.680>for <00:33:39.796>their <00:33:39.913>travels <00:33:40.030>and <00:33:40.146>what <00:33:40.263>they <00:33:40.380>do.

619
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.880
<00:33:43.240>I <00:33:43.347>can't <00:33:43.455>remember <00:33:43.563>very <00:33:43.670>many <00:33:43.778>people <00:33:43.886>who <00:33:43.993>turned <00:33:44.101>it <00:33:44.209>into <00:33:44.316>a <00:33:44.424>full <00:33:44.532>business <00:33:44.640>for

620
00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:50.820
<00:33:46.900>themselves, <00:33:46.987>and <00:33:47.075>you've <00:33:47.162>got <00:33:47.250>to <00:33:47.337>be <00:33:47.425>very <00:33:47.512>good <00:33:47.600>at <00:33:47.687>it <00:33:47.775>in <00:33:47.862>order <00:33:47.950>to <00:33:48.037>do <00:33:48.125>that, <00:33:48.212>but <00:33:48.300>it

621
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.820
<00:33:50.880>is <00:33:51.055>certainly <00:33:51.230>possible. <00:33:51.405>In <00:33:51.580>the <00:33:51.755>MLH <00:33:51.930>ecosystem, <00:33:52.105>our <00:33:52.280>philosophy

622
00:33:54.860 --> 00:33:58.040
<00:33:54.860>is <00:33:55.060>actually <00:33:55.260>small <00:33:55.459>prizes <00:33:55.659>rather <00:33:55.860>than <00:33:56.060>large <00:33:56.260>prizes

623
00:33:58.100 --> 00:34:01.330
<00:33:58.100>that <00:33:58.379>facilitate <00:33:58.659>and <00:33:58.939>incentivize <00:33:59.219>continued <00:33:59.500>learning.

624
00:34:01.780 --> 00:34:04.000
<00:34:01.780>So <00:34:01.867>if <00:34:01.955>you <00:34:02.042>look <00:34:02.129>at <00:34:02.217>a <00:34:02.305>lot <00:34:02.392>of <00:34:02.480>the <00:34:02.567>prizes <00:34:02.655>that <00:34:02.742>we <00:34:02.830>give <00:34:02.917>away <00:34:03.004>through <00:34:03.092>Major <00:34:03.180>League

625
00:34:04.020 --> 00:34:05.030
<00:34:04.020>Hacking, <00:34:04.201>a <00:34:04.383>lot <00:34:04.565>of <00:34:04.747>it <00:34:04.929>is

626
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.360
<00:34:05.940>Arduino <00:34:06.579>kits, <00:34:07.217>books,

627
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:08.880
credits,

628
00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:14.321
<00:34:10.620>monitors <00:34:10.747>or <00:34:10.874>keyboards, <00:34:11.001>or <00:34:11.129>things <00:34:11.256>that <00:34:11.383>enable <00:34:11.510>you <00:34:11.638>to <00:34:11.765>keep <00:34:11.892>building, <00:34:12.020>right?

629
00:34:15.160 --> 00:34:15.480
And

630
00:34:16.460 --> 00:34:20.400
<00:34:16.460>the <00:34:16.567>average <00:34:16.675>prize <00:34:16.783>value <00:34:16.890>we <00:34:16.998>recommend <00:34:17.106>to <00:34:17.213>a <00:34:17.321>sponsor <00:34:17.429>through <00:34:17.536>the <00:34:17.644>MLH <00:34:17.752>ecosystem <00:34:17.860>is

631
00:34:20.410 --> 00:34:22.301
<00:34:20.409>$100 <00:34:20.876>maximum <00:34:21.343>per <00:34:21.810>prize.

632
00:34:22.730 --> 00:34:22.730
Okay.

633
00:34:22.781 --> 00:34:25.720
<00:34:22.781>And <00:34:22.920>that's <00:34:23.061>a <00:34:23.201>very <00:34:23.341>different <00:34:23.480>philosophy <00:34:23.621>than <00:34:23.761>a <00:34:23.900>lot <00:34:24.041>of <00:34:24.181>these

634
00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:30.380
<00:34:26.560>million-dollar <00:34:26.715>cash <00:34:26.871>prize, <00:34:27.026>whatever <00:34:27.182>kind <00:34:27.337>of <00:34:27.493>hackathons <00:34:27.648>that <00:34:27.804>are <00:34:27.960>out

635
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:34.370
<00:34:30.420>there. <00:34:30.560>And <00:34:30.700>the <00:34:30.840>reason <00:34:30.980>that <00:34:31.120>we <00:34:31.260>do <00:34:31.400>that <00:34:31.540>is <00:34:31.680>because <00:34:31.820>if

636
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.100
<00:34:34.400>somebody's <00:34:34.507>willing <00:34:34.615>to <00:34:34.723>spend <00:34:34.830>the <00:34:34.938>six <00:34:35.046>hours <00:34:35.153>on <00:34:35.261>average <00:34:35.369>they <00:34:35.476>do <00:34:35.584>working <00:34:35.692>with <00:34:35.800>the

637
00:34:38.140 --> 00:34:41.620
<00:34:38.139>technology <00:34:38.256>as <00:34:38.373>part <00:34:38.489>of <00:34:38.606>a <00:34:38.723>sponsor <00:34:38.839>or <00:34:38.956>a <00:34:39.073>prize <00:34:39.190>track <00:34:39.306>at <00:34:39.423>a <00:34:39.540>hackathon

638
00:34:41.680 --> 00:34:45.560
<00:34:41.679>for <00:34:41.796>something <00:34:41.913>that's <00:34:42.029>valued <00:34:42.146>at <00:34:42.263>under <00:34:42.379>100 <00:34:42.496>bucks <00:34:42.613>or <00:34:42.730>less, <00:34:42.846>they're <00:34:42.963>doing <00:34:43.080>it

639
00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:47.690
<00:34:45.600>for <00:34:45.833>more <00:34:46.066>than <00:34:46.299>just <00:34:46.533>the <00:34:46.766>prize, <00:34:47.000>right?

640
00:34:47.730 --> 00:34:50.140
<00:34:47.730>They're <00:34:47.905>actually <00:34:48.080>incentivized <00:34:48.255>to <00:34:48.429>learn <00:34:48.605>and <00:34:48.780>try <00:34:48.955>the <00:34:49.130>tool.

641
00:34:50.170 --> 00:34:54.080
<00:34:50.170>And <00:34:50.297>so <00:34:50.424>that's <00:34:50.551>why <00:34:50.679>we <00:34:50.806>do <00:34:50.933>it <00:34:51.060>that <00:34:51.188>way. <00:34:51.315>But <00:34:51.442>certainly, <00:34:51.570>there

642
00:34:54.100 --> 00:34:57.940
<00:34:54.100>are <00:34:54.239>tons <00:34:54.380>of <00:34:54.520>hackathons <00:34:54.659>out <00:34:54.799>there <00:34:54.940>with <00:34:55.080>these <00:34:55.219>enormous <00:34:55.360>cash <00:34:55.500>prizes,

643
00:34:57.980 --> 00:35:01.900
<00:34:57.980>and <00:34:58.107>some <00:34:58.234>of <00:34:58.361>the <00:34:58.489>local <00:34:58.616>chapters <00:34:58.743>in <00:34:58.870>the <00:34:58.998>MLH <00:34:59.125>ecosystem <00:34:59.252>certainly <00:34:59.380>chase

644
00:35:01.910 --> 00:35:05.020
<00:35:01.910>that <00:35:02.065>as <00:35:02.221>well. <00:35:02.376>But <00:35:02.532>we <00:35:02.687>do <00:35:02.843>everything <00:35:02.998>we <00:35:03.154>can <00:35:03.310>to

645
00:35:05.080 --> 00:35:08.880
<00:35:05.080>incentivize <00:35:05.279>smaller <00:35:05.480>prizes <00:35:05.680>that <00:35:05.880>actually <00:35:06.080>align <00:35:06.279>with <00:35:06.480>learning

646
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.830
<00:35:08.920>objectives <00:35:09.075>rather <00:35:09.231>than <00:35:09.386>enabling <00:35:09.542>people <00:35:09.697>to <00:35:09.853>make <00:35:10.008>money <00:35:10.164>just <00:35:10.320>doing

647
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.560
hackathons.

648
00:35:14.620 --> 00:35:18.380
<00:35:14.620>Yeah, <00:35:14.759>because <00:35:14.900>that <00:35:15.040>would <00:35:15.180>also <00:35:15.319>make <00:35:15.460>it <00:35:15.600>unfair <00:35:15.740>for <00:35:15.880>people <00:35:16.020>who

649
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:22.380
<00:35:18.420>just <00:35:18.536>want <00:35:18.653>to <00:35:18.770>take <00:35:18.886>part. <00:35:19.003>If <00:35:19.120>there's <00:35:19.236>professional <00:35:19.353>people <00:35:19.470>that <00:35:19.586>just <00:35:19.703>do <00:35:19.820>it

650
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.040
<00:35:22.440>for <00:35:22.540>a <00:35:22.640>living. <00:35:22.740>I <00:35:22.840>saw <00:35:22.940>this <00:35:23.040>poster <00:35:23.140>the <00:35:23.240>other <00:35:23.340>day <00:35:23.440>again <00:35:23.540>that <00:35:23.640>cracked <00:35:23.740>me <00:35:23.840>up.

651
00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:30.060
<00:35:26.080>There <00:35:26.196>was <00:35:26.313>a <00:35:26.430>hackathon <00:35:26.546>in <00:35:26.663>New <00:35:26.779>York <00:35:26.896>in <00:35:27.013>2009, <00:35:27.130>and <00:35:27.246>the <00:35:27.363>first <00:35:27.480>prize

652
00:35:30.100 --> 00:35:32.390
<00:35:30.100>were <00:35:30.299>three <00:35:30.500>Bitcoin, <00:35:30.700>and <00:35:30.900>I'm <00:35:31.100>like, <00:35:31.299>well- <00:35:31.500>...

653
00:35:32.680 --> 00:35:36.500
<00:35:32.680>if <00:35:32.773>that <00:35:32.866>had <00:35:32.960>been <00:35:33.053>a <00:35:33.146>thing <00:35:33.240>that <00:35:33.333>I've <00:35:33.426>won <00:35:33.520>back <00:35:33.613>then, <00:35:33.706>that <00:35:33.799>would <00:35:33.893>be <00:35:33.986>quite <00:35:34.080>impressive

654
00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:37.220
<00:35:36.560>now. <00:35:36.857>But <00:35:37.154>yeah.

655
00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:37.320
Mm-hmm.

656
00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:40.230
<00:35:37.680>Back <00:35:37.767>then <00:35:37.855>it <00:35:37.942>was <00:35:38.029>just <00:35:38.117>like, <00:35:38.205>"Oh, <00:35:38.292>here's <00:35:38.379>a <00:35:38.467>geeky <00:35:38.555>thing <00:35:38.642>that <00:35:38.730>you <00:35:38.817>don't <00:35:38.904>know <00:35:38.992>what <00:35:39.080>it's

657
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:40.980
about."

658
00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:42.400
<00:35:41.900>That's <00:35:42.350>right.

659
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:45.220
<00:35:44.920>Oh, <00:35:45.189>man.

660
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.800
<00:35:45.280>So <00:35:45.373>you're <00:35:45.466>focusing <00:35:45.560>more <00:35:45.653>on <00:35:45.746>the <00:35:45.840>AI <00:35:45.933>world, <00:35:46.026>which <00:35:46.120>I <00:35:46.213>guess <00:35:46.306>makes <00:35:46.400>a <00:35:46.493>lot <00:35:46.586>of <00:35:46.680>sense.

661
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:51.220
<00:35:48.900>But <00:35:49.100>speaking <00:35:49.300>of <00:35:49.500>which, <00:35:49.700>where <00:35:49.900>did <00:35:50.100>the <00:35:50.300>whole

662
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:55.020
<00:35:52.380>blockchain <00:35:52.660>and <00:35:52.940>Bitcoin <00:35:53.220>hack <00:35:53.500>thing <00:35:53.780>go?

663
00:35:55.120 --> 00:35:56.740
<00:35:55.120>Is <00:35:55.319>that <00:35:55.520>still <00:35:55.720>a <00:35:55.920>thing <00:35:56.120>that's <00:35:56.319>happening <00:35:56.520>or?

664
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.300
<00:35:57.320>Absolutely. <00:35:57.447>MLH <00:35:57.574>runs <00:35:57.701>some <00:35:57.829>of <00:35:57.956>the <00:35:58.083>largest <00:35:58.210>Web3 <00:35:58.338>hackathons <00:35:58.465>in <00:35:58.592>the <00:35:58.720>world

665
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.460
<00:36:01.360>still <00:36:01.640>today, <00:36:01.920>which <00:36:02.200>is <00:36:02.480>really <00:36:02.760>interesting.

666
00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:04.040
<00:36:03.510>And <00:36:03.987>actually,

667
00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:08.870
<00:36:04.900>I <00:36:05.000>don't <00:36:05.100>know <00:36:05.200>if <00:36:05.300>this <00:36:05.400>is <00:36:05.500>still <00:36:05.600>true <00:36:05.700>in <00:36:05.800>2026, <00:36:05.900>but <00:36:06.000>in <00:36:06.100>2025, <00:36:06.200>there <00:36:06.300>was

668
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.250
<00:36:08.920>more <00:36:09.060>interest <00:36:09.200>in <00:36:09.340>Web3 <00:36:09.480>from <00:36:09.620>our <00:36:09.760>audience <00:36:09.900>than <00:36:10.040>there <00:36:10.180>was <00:36:10.320>in

669
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.960
<00:36:12.400>2022 <00:36:12.633>during <00:36:12.866>peak <00:36:13.100>Web3 <00:36:13.333>mania. <00:36:13.566>And <00:36:13.800>specifically,

670
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.720
<00:36:16.000>learning <00:36:16.155>the <00:36:16.311>skills <00:36:16.466>and <00:36:16.622>understanding <00:36:16.777>how <00:36:16.933>to <00:36:17.088>build <00:36:17.244>with <00:36:17.400>it.

671
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:19.720
And

672
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.000
<00:36:20.960>my <00:36:21.160>analysis <00:36:21.360>is <00:36:21.560>that <00:36:21.760>it's <00:36:21.960>very <00:36:22.160>similar <00:36:22.360>to

673
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.840
<00:36:23.840>many <00:36:24.040>other <00:36:24.240>kind <00:36:24.440>of <00:36:24.640>relatively <00:36:24.840>niche <00:36:25.040>technologies <00:36:25.240>where

674
00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:31.620
<00:36:27.980>there <00:36:28.057>are <00:36:28.135>jobs <00:36:28.213>in <00:36:28.291>it <00:36:28.368>if <00:36:28.446>you <00:36:28.524>want <00:36:28.602>to <00:36:28.680>specialize <00:36:28.757>in <00:36:28.835>it <00:36:28.913>and <00:36:28.991>do <00:36:29.068>it, <00:36:29.146>but <00:36:29.224>it's <00:36:29.302>not <00:36:29.380>a

675
00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:36.120
<00:36:32.160>ubiquitous <00:36:32.299>mainstream <00:36:32.440>technology <00:36:32.580>choice <00:36:32.720>that <00:36:32.859>every <00:36:33.000>business <00:36:33.140>is <00:36:33.279>going <00:36:33.420>to <00:36:33.560>make

676
00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:39.568
<00:36:36.140>necessarily. <00:36:36.279>So <00:36:36.420>I <00:36:36.560>think <00:36:36.700>about <00:36:36.839>it <00:36:36.980>a <00:36:37.120>lot <00:36:37.259>like <00:36:37.400>VR <00:36:37.540>or

677
00:36:39.588 --> 00:36:43.328
<00:36:39.588>mobile. <00:36:40.288>They're <00:36:40.988>specializations

678
00:36:43.388 --> 00:36:46.568
<00:36:43.388>rather <00:36:43.738>than <00:36:44.087>broad <00:36:44.438>open <00:36:44.788>categories.

679
00:36:46.608 --> 00:36:47.088
<00:36:46.608>And <00:36:47.040>so,

680
00:36:48.688 --> 00:36:51.528
<00:36:48.688>yes, <00:36:48.828>they're <00:36:48.968>still <00:36:49.108>around. <00:36:49.248>We <00:36:49.388>have <00:36:49.528>hackathons <00:36:49.668>with <00:36:49.808>thousands <00:36:49.948>of <00:36:50.088>people

681
00:36:51.608 --> 00:36:54.868
<00:36:51.608>participating <00:36:51.748>in <00:36:51.888>them <00:36:52.028>every <00:36:52.168>year, <00:36:52.308>learning <00:36:52.448>tools <00:36:52.588>like <00:36:52.728>Midnight <00:36:52.868>or <00:36:53.008>Solana,

682
00:36:55.688 --> 00:36:59.068
<00:36:55.688>certainly <00:36:55.828>still <00:36:55.968>around. <00:36:56.108>And <00:36:56.248>the <00:36:56.388>other <00:36:56.528>thing <00:36:56.668>I'd <00:36:56.808>say <00:36:56.948>is <00:36:57.088>that

683
00:36:59.908 --> 00:37:03.888
<00:36:59.908>historically, <00:37:00.063>the <00:37:00.219>biggest <00:37:00.374>barrier <00:37:00.530>to <00:37:00.685>entry <00:37:00.841>on <00:37:00.996>any <00:37:01.152>Web3 <00:37:01.308>building

684
00:37:04.488 --> 00:37:08.428
<00:37:04.488>was <00:37:04.604>actually <00:37:04.721>around <00:37:04.837>the <00:37:04.954>education <00:37:05.071>of <00:37:05.187>the <00:37:05.304>paradigm, <00:37:05.421>because <00:37:05.538>it's <00:37:05.654>a <00:37:05.771>very <00:37:05.888>different

685
00:37:08.468 --> 00:37:11.368
<00:37:08.468>way <00:37:08.667>of <00:37:08.868>thinking <00:37:09.067>than <00:37:09.268>Web2 <00:37:09.468>classical <00:37:09.667>software <00:37:09.868>development.

686
00:37:11.828 --> 00:37:15.728
<00:37:11.828>And <00:37:11.935>AI <00:37:12.043>has <00:37:12.151>certainly <00:37:12.258>lowered <00:37:12.366>the <00:37:12.474>barrier <00:37:12.581>to <00:37:12.689>entry <00:37:12.797>for <00:37:12.904>people <00:37:13.012>being <00:37:13.120>able <00:37:13.228>to

687
00:37:16.008 --> 00:37:19.188
<00:37:16.008>successfully <00:37:16.207>work <00:37:16.408>inside <00:37:16.607>of <00:37:16.808>Web3 <00:37:17.008>and <00:37:17.207>crypto <00:37:17.408>ecosystems.

688
00:37:19.638 --> 00:37:23.598
<00:37:19.638>And <00:37:19.731>so <00:37:19.824>I <00:37:19.918>do <00:37:20.011>think <00:37:20.104>that's <00:37:20.198>another <00:37:20.291>huge <00:37:20.384>part <00:37:20.478>of <00:37:20.571>that, <00:37:20.664>is <00:37:20.758>that <00:37:20.851>today <00:37:20.944>it's <00:37:21.038>a

689
00:37:23.648 --> 00:37:27.418
<00:37:23.648>lot <00:37:23.764>easier <00:37:23.881>to <00:37:23.998>build <00:37:24.114>something <00:37:24.231>on <00:37:24.348>the <00:37:24.464>Solana <00:37:24.581>blockchain <00:37:24.698>or <00:37:24.814>Midnight <00:37:24.931>chain <00:37:25.048>or

690
00:37:27.428 --> 00:37:29.728
<00:37:27.428>whatever <00:37:27.661>than <00:37:27.894>it <00:37:28.127>ever <00:37:28.361>has <00:37:28.594>been <00:37:28.828>before.

691
00:37:29.738 --> 00:37:33.688
<00:37:29.738>And <00:37:29.837>that <00:37:29.937>has <00:37:30.038>enabled <00:37:30.138>a <00:37:30.238>whole <00:37:30.337>bunch <00:37:30.437>of <00:37:30.538>people <00:37:30.638>who <00:37:30.738>otherwise <00:37:30.837>wouldn't <00:37:30.937>have <00:37:31.038>been <00:37:31.138>able

692
00:37:33.708 --> 00:37:37.128
<00:37:33.708>to <00:37:33.848>do <00:37:33.988>it. <00:37:34.128>And <00:37:34.268>then <00:37:34.408>if <00:37:34.548>you <00:37:34.688>look <00:37:34.828>at <00:37:34.968>the <00:37:35.108>global

693
00:37:37.148 --> 00:37:40.908
<00:37:37.148>distribution, <00:37:37.288>undeniably, <00:37:37.428>Web3 <00:37:37.568>stuff <00:37:37.708>is <00:37:37.848>more <00:37:37.988>interesting <00:37:38.128>in <00:37:38.268>markets <00:37:38.408>where <00:37:38.548>there's

694
00:37:40.948 --> 00:37:43.087
<00:37:40.948>not <00:37:41.147>a <00:37:41.348>lot <00:37:41.548>of <00:37:41.748>economic <00:37:41.948>opportunity <00:37:42.147>and <00:37:42.348>mobility.

695
00:37:43.098 --> 00:37:46.878
<00:37:43.098>And <00:37:43.225>so <00:37:43.352>in <00:37:43.479>general, <00:37:43.607>I <00:37:43.734>think <00:37:43.861>that's <00:37:43.988>another <00:37:44.116>important <00:37:44.243>piece <00:37:44.370>here, <00:37:44.498>is

696
00:37:46.948 --> 00:37:47.618
that

697
00:37:48.828 --> 00:37:52.288
<00:37:48.828>for <00:37:48.921>a <00:37:49.014>lot <00:37:49.108>of <00:37:49.201>those <00:37:49.294>people, <00:37:49.388>not <00:37:49.481>only <00:37:49.574>is <00:37:49.668>technology <00:37:49.761>more <00:37:49.854>available, <00:37:49.948>not <00:37:50.041>only <00:37:50.134>has <00:37:50.228>it

698
00:37:52.328 --> 00:37:56.028
<00:37:52.328>matured <00:37:52.503>a <00:37:52.678>lot, <00:37:52.853>but <00:37:53.028>it's <00:37:53.203>also <00:37:53.378>aligned <00:37:53.553>with <00:37:53.728>a

699
00:37:57.668 --> 00:38:00.828
<00:37:57.668>value <00:37:57.775>proposition <00:37:57.883>that <00:37:57.991>speaks <00:37:58.098>to <00:37:58.206>them <00:37:58.314>based <00:37:58.421>on <00:37:58.529>where <00:37:58.637>they <00:37:58.744>live <00:37:58.852>and <00:37:58.960>what <00:37:59.068>they

700
00:38:00.968 --> 00:38:02.988
<00:38:00.968>struggle <00:38:01.434>with <00:38:01.901>every <00:38:02.368>day.

701
00:38:03.408 --> 00:38:07.378
<00:38:03.408>Well, <00:38:03.548>it <00:38:03.688>was <00:38:03.828>fun <00:38:03.968>when <00:38:04.107>we <00:38:04.248>made <00:38:04.388>fun <00:38:04.528>of <00:38:04.668>blockchain <00:38:04.808>using

702
00:38:07.408 --> 00:38:10.528
<00:38:07.408>so <00:38:07.563>much <00:38:07.719>energy <00:38:07.874>and <00:38:08.030>now <00:38:08.185>looking <00:38:08.341>at <00:38:08.496>what <00:38:08.652>AI <00:38:08.808>does.

703
00:38:10.588 --> 00:38:10.738
<00:38:10.588>And <00:38:10.621>now <00:38:10.655>look <00:38:10.689>at <00:38:10.723>us.

704
00:38:11.928 --> 00:38:15.538
<00:38:11.928>Yeah, <00:38:12.067>it <00:38:12.208>wasn't <00:38:12.348>that <00:38:12.488>bad, <00:38:12.627>actually, <00:38:12.768>but <00:38:12.908>it <00:38:13.048>was <00:38:13.188>just <00:38:13.328>bizarre.

705
00:38:15.548 --> 00:38:18.398
<00:38:15.548>But <00:38:15.781>that's <00:38:16.014>another <00:38:16.247>thing, <00:38:16.481>that <00:38:16.714>sustainability <00:38:16.948>and

706
00:38:19.448 --> 00:38:22.948
<00:38:19.448>making <00:38:19.555>sure <00:38:19.663>that <00:38:19.771>what <00:38:19.878>we <00:38:19.986>do <00:38:20.094>now <00:38:20.201>doesn't <00:38:20.309>burn <00:38:20.417>the <00:38:20.524>planet <00:38:20.632>is <00:38:20.740>another <00:38:20.848>interesting

707
00:38:23.008 --> 00:38:26.888
<00:38:23.008>thing <00:38:23.135>for <00:38:23.262>hack <00:38:23.389>events <00:38:23.517>and <00:38:23.644>generally <00:38:23.771>events, <00:38:23.898>and <00:38:24.026>I <00:38:24.153>don't <00:38:24.280>see <00:38:24.408>enough

708
00:38:27.008 --> 00:38:30.128
<00:38:27.008>happening <00:38:27.147>in <00:38:27.288>this <00:38:27.428>space. <00:38:27.567>There's <00:38:27.707>a <00:38:27.848>green <00:38:27.988>technology <00:38:28.127>chapter <00:38:28.268>here <00:38:28.408>in

709
00:38:30.148 --> 00:38:33.688
<00:38:30.148>Berlin <00:38:30.275>that <00:38:30.402>does <00:38:30.529>a <00:38:30.657>lot <00:38:30.784>of <00:38:30.911>that <00:38:31.038>stuff, <00:38:31.166>but <00:38:31.293>it <00:38:31.420>feels <00:38:31.548>like

710
00:38:34.028 --> 00:38:37.848
<00:38:34.028>people <00:38:34.135>are <00:38:34.243>not <00:38:34.351>realizing <00:38:34.458>just <00:38:34.566>how <00:38:34.674>much <00:38:34.781>we <00:38:34.889>burn <00:38:34.997>and <00:38:35.104>how <00:38:35.212>much <00:38:35.320>waste <00:38:35.428>there

711
00:38:37.928 --> 00:38:38.718
is.

712
00:38:38.748 --> 00:38:42.288
<00:38:38.748>Yes, <00:38:38.835>it's <00:38:38.923>very <00:38:39.010>true. <00:38:39.098>I'm <00:38:39.185>trying <00:38:39.273>to <00:38:39.360>look <00:38:39.448>up <00:38:39.535>the <00:38:39.623>name <00:38:39.710>of <00:38:39.798>the <00:38:39.885>company, <00:38:39.973>but <00:38:40.060>I <00:38:40.148>heard

713
00:38:43.008 --> 00:38:44.688
<00:38:43.008>a <00:38:43.707>really <00:38:44.408>interesting

714
00:38:46.448 --> 00:38:49.908
<00:38:46.448>anecdote <00:38:46.647>the <00:38:46.848>other <00:38:47.048>day <00:38:47.248>about <00:38:47.448>Web3 <00:38:47.647>and <00:38:47.848>AI,

715
00:38:50.048 --> 00:38:53.828
<00:38:50.048>where <00:38:50.187>somebody <00:38:50.328>was <00:38:50.468>trying <00:38:50.607>to <00:38:50.747>convince <00:38:50.888>the <00:38:51.028>people <00:38:51.167>who'd <00:38:51.308>built <00:38:51.448>these

716
00:38:53.868 --> 00:38:57.768
<00:38:53.868>effectively <00:38:54.148>Bitcoin <00:38:54.428>mining <00:38:54.708>factories <00:38:54.988>to <00:38:55.268>repurpose

717
00:38:57.828 --> 00:39:01.308
<00:38:57.828>the <00:38:57.968>GPUs <00:38:58.108>they <00:38:58.248>had, <00:38:58.388>rather <00:38:58.528>than <00:38:58.668>hashing <00:38:58.808>for <00:38:58.948>one <00:38:59.088>of <00:38:59.228>the

718
00:39:01.328 --> 00:39:05.288
<00:39:01.328>blockchains, <00:39:01.528>that <00:39:01.728>they <00:39:01.928>would <00:39:02.128>serve <00:39:02.328>inference <00:39:02.528>of <00:39:02.728>open-weight

719
00:39:05.328 --> 00:39:09.168
<00:39:05.328>models <00:39:05.444>to <00:39:05.561>people, <00:39:05.678>and <00:39:05.794>the <00:39:05.911>proof <00:39:06.028>of <00:39:06.144>work <00:39:06.261>was <00:39:06.378>in <00:39:06.494>the <00:39:06.611>serving <00:39:06.728>the

720
00:39:09.228 --> 00:39:13.208
<00:39:09.228>inference. <00:39:09.368>So <00:39:09.508>it's <00:39:09.648>basically <00:39:09.788>incentivize <00:39:09.928>people <00:39:10.068>who <00:39:10.208>have <00:39:10.348>these <00:39:10.488>mining <00:39:10.628>machines,

721
00:39:13.248 --> 00:39:16.938
<00:39:13.248>rather <00:39:13.388>than <00:39:13.528>just <00:39:13.668>competing <00:39:13.808>hashes, <00:39:13.948>to <00:39:14.088>do <00:39:14.228>something <00:39:14.368>productive <00:39:14.508>with <00:39:14.648>that

722
00:39:16.988 --> 00:39:19.708
<00:39:16.988>instead <00:39:17.221>and <00:39:17.454>basically <00:39:17.687>double-dip <00:39:17.921>the <00:39:18.154>energy <00:39:18.388>usage.

723
00:39:20.008 --> 00:39:23.998
<00:39:20.008>So <00:39:20.107>rather <00:39:20.207>than <00:39:20.308>just <00:39:20.408>allocating <00:39:20.508>all <00:39:20.607>of <00:39:20.707>it <00:39:20.808>to <00:39:20.908>mining, <00:39:21.008>you're <00:39:21.107>using <00:39:21.207>it <00:39:21.308>for <00:39:21.408>a

724
00:39:24.008 --> 00:39:25.617
<00:39:24.008>productive <00:39:24.241>use <00:39:24.474>case <00:39:24.707>on <00:39:24.941>the <00:39:25.174>other <00:39:25.408>side.

725
00:39:25.708 --> 00:39:29.328
<00:39:25.708>I <00:39:25.815>thought <00:39:25.923>that <00:39:26.031>was <00:39:26.138>a <00:39:26.246>really <00:39:26.354>interesting <00:39:26.461>concept <00:39:26.569>where <00:39:26.677>it's <00:39:26.784>like <00:39:26.892>maybe <00:39:27.000>there <00:39:27.108>are

726
00:39:29.348 --> 00:39:32.788
<00:39:29.348>things <00:39:29.448>we <00:39:29.548>can <00:39:29.648>learn <00:39:29.748>from <00:39:29.848>the <00:39:29.948>Web3 <00:39:30.048>ecosystem <00:39:30.148>and <00:39:30.248>apply <00:39:30.348>them <00:39:30.448>to <00:39:30.548>what's <00:39:30.648>happening <00:39:30.748>in

727
00:39:32.848 --> 00:39:34.508
<00:39:32.848>AI. <00:39:33.023>We're <00:39:33.198>just <00:39:33.373>too <00:39:33.548>early <00:39:33.723>to <00:39:33.898>see <00:39:34.073>it <00:39:34.248>yet.

728
00:39:35.648 --> 00:39:39.548
<00:39:35.648>Well, <00:39:35.755>it <00:39:35.863>feels <00:39:35.971>like <00:39:36.078>SETI@home <00:39:36.186>back <00:39:36.294>then, <00:39:36.401>that <00:39:36.509>you <00:39:36.617>share <00:39:36.724>your <00:39:36.832>resources <00:39:36.940>with <00:39:37.048>the

729
00:39:39.588 --> 00:39:42.788
<00:39:39.588>world <00:39:39.788>and <00:39:39.988>basically <00:39:40.188>do <00:39:40.388>computing <00:39:40.588>for <00:39:40.788>other <00:39:40.988>people.

730
00:39:42.828 --> 00:39:44.148
Totally.

731
00:39:44.248 --> 00:39:47.368
<00:39:44.248>I'm <00:39:44.355>about <00:39:44.463>to <00:39:44.571>get <00:39:44.678>a <00:39:44.786>GTX <00:39:44.894>Spark <00:39:45.001>from <00:39:45.109>NVIDIA <00:39:45.217>in <00:39:45.324>my <00:39:45.432>house, <00:39:45.540>so <00:39:45.648>that's

732
00:39:48.208 --> 00:39:48.468
<00:39:48.208>going <00:39:48.325>to <00:39:48.442>be--

733
00:39:49.288 --> 00:39:51.578
<00:39:49.288>I <00:39:49.428>already <00:39:49.568>told <00:39:49.708>all <00:39:49.848>my <00:39:49.988>neighbors, <00:39:50.128>"You <00:39:50.268>can <00:39:50.408>do <00:39:50.548>all <00:39:50.688>your

734
00:39:52.848 --> 00:39:56.728
<00:39:52.848>code <00:39:52.975>stuff <00:39:53.102>offline <00:39:53.229>now <00:39:53.357>if <00:39:53.484>you <00:39:53.611>just <00:39:53.738>connect <00:39:53.866>to <00:39:53.993>this <00:39:54.120>IP <00:39:54.248>on

735
00:39:56.808 --> 00:40:00.528
<00:39:56.808>our <00:39:56.935>Wi-Fi." <00:39:57.062>Because <00:39:57.189>yeah, <00:39:57.317>I <00:39:57.444>think <00:39:57.571>sharing <00:39:57.698>is <00:39:57.826>good <00:39:57.953>in <00:39:58.080>this <00:39:58.208>case.

736
00:40:00.538 --> 00:40:00.538
<00:40:00.538>Oh, <00:40:00.538>yeah.

737
00:40:00.568 --> 00:40:04.378
<00:40:00.568>The <00:40:00.708>Midnight <00:40:00.848>Foundation <00:40:00.988>talk <00:40:01.128>was <00:40:01.268>great <00:40:01.408>at <00:40:01.548>the <00:40:01.688>DevrelCon <00:40:01.828>as <00:40:01.968>well,

738
00:40:04.448 --> 00:40:08.428
<00:40:04.448>because <00:40:04.564>they <00:40:04.681>talked <00:40:04.798>about <00:40:04.914>how <00:40:05.031>they <00:40:05.147>messed <00:40:05.264>up <00:40:05.381>immensely <00:40:05.498>and <00:40:05.614>how <00:40:05.731>they <00:40:05.848>fixed

739
00:40:08.488 --> 00:40:10.788
<00:40:08.488>it, <00:40:08.768>and <00:40:09.048>I <00:40:09.328>always <00:40:09.607>like <00:40:09.888>these

740
00:40:10.868 --> 00:40:14.268
<00:40:10.868>look-behind-the-scenes <00:40:11.148>talks <00:40:11.428>that <00:40:11.708>are <00:40:11.988>out <00:40:12.268>there.

741
00:40:14.298 --> 00:40:18.168
<00:40:14.298>And <00:40:14.405>I <00:40:14.513>just <00:40:14.621>met <00:40:14.728>them <00:40:14.836>randomly <00:40:14.944>outside, <00:40:15.051>and <00:40:15.159>Midnight <00:40:15.267>Foundation <00:40:15.374>sounded <00:40:15.482>like <00:40:15.590>a <00:40:15.698>DC

742
00:40:18.268 --> 00:40:20.628
<00:40:18.268>villain <00:40:18.443>group. <00:40:18.618>That <00:40:18.793>was <00:40:18.968>a <00:40:19.143>really <00:40:19.318>cool <00:40:19.493>company <00:40:19.668>name.

743
00:40:21.308 --> 00:40:21.708
<00:40:21.308>It <00:40:21.668>does.

744
00:40:22.768 --> 00:40:26.568
<00:40:22.768>I <00:40:22.923>think <00:40:23.079>that <00:40:23.234>actually <00:40:23.390>Midnight <00:40:23.545>is <00:40:23.701>doing <00:40:23.856>some <00:40:24.012>really <00:40:24.168>interesting

745
00:40:26.648 --> 00:40:30.608
<00:40:26.648>stuff <00:40:26.775>in <00:40:26.902>Devrel <00:40:27.029>in <00:40:27.157>particular. <00:40:27.284>They're <00:40:27.411>really <00:40:27.538>working <00:40:27.666>on <00:40:27.793>bridging <00:40:27.920>that <00:40:28.048>gap

746
00:40:30.628 --> 00:40:34.378
<00:40:30.628>between <00:40:30.755>Web2 <00:40:30.882>and <00:40:31.009>Web3, <00:40:31.137>and <00:40:31.264>actually, <00:40:31.391>they <00:40:31.518>have <00:40:31.646>been <00:40:31.773>a <00:40:31.900>supporter <00:40:32.028>of

747
00:40:34.408 --> 00:40:36.248
<00:40:34.408>DevrelCon <00:40:34.688>for <00:40:34.968>years <00:40:35.248>at <00:40:35.528>this <00:40:35.808>point.

748
00:40:36.288 --> 00:40:40.238
<00:40:36.288>But <00:40:36.404>I <00:40:36.521>can <00:40:36.638>think <00:40:36.754>of <00:40:36.871>a <00:40:36.988>couple <00:40:37.104>stories, <00:40:37.221>one <00:40:37.338>in <00:40:37.454>particular <00:40:37.571>of <00:40:37.688>somebody

749
00:40:40.288 --> 00:40:43.268
<00:40:40.288>who <00:40:40.415>actually <00:40:40.542>got <00:40:40.669>hired <00:40:40.797>out <00:40:40.924>of <00:40:41.051>DevrelCon <00:40:41.178>last <00:40:41.306>year <00:40:41.433>by <00:40:41.560>the <00:40:41.688>Midnight

750
00:40:43.348 --> 00:40:46.608
<00:40:43.348>Foundation <00:40:43.581>based <00:40:43.814>on <00:40:44.048>meeting <00:40:44.281>somebody <00:40:44.514>at <00:40:44.748>DevrelCon.

751
00:40:46.648 --> 00:40:50.628
<00:40:46.648>So <00:40:46.775>clearly <00:40:46.902>they're <00:40:47.029>very <00:40:47.157>invested <00:40:47.284>in <00:40:47.411>developers <00:40:47.538>in <00:40:47.666>this <00:40:47.793>ecosystem, <00:40:47.920>in <00:40:48.048>being

752
00:40:50.648 --> 00:40:53.808
<00:40:50.648>leaders, <00:40:50.775>in <00:40:50.902>telling <00:40:51.029>those <00:40:51.157>stories, <00:40:51.284>and <00:40:51.411>I <00:40:51.538>think <00:40:51.666>that's <00:40:51.793>something <00:40:51.920>really <00:40:52.048>impressive.

753
00:40:53.838 --> 00:40:55.248
<00:40:53.838>And <00:40:55.107>honestly,

754
00:40:56.108 --> 00:40:59.548
<00:40:56.108>a <00:40:56.263>lot <00:40:56.419>of <00:40:56.574>other <00:40:56.730>Web3 <00:40:56.885>ecosystem <00:40:57.041>companies <00:40:57.196>think <00:40:57.352>about <00:40:57.508>themselves

755
00:40:59.587 --> 00:41:02.758
<00:40:59.587>completely <00:40:59.742>separately <00:40:59.898>from <00:41:00.053>this <00:41:00.209>existing <00:41:00.364>kind <00:41:00.520>of <00:41:00.675>developer <00:41:00.831>community <00:41:00.987>and

756
00:41:02.788 --> 00:41:04.758
<00:41:02.788>infrastructure <00:41:03.068>that's <00:41:03.348>out <00:41:03.628>here <00:41:03.908>in <00:41:04.188>Devrel.

757
00:41:04.778 --> 00:41:08.468
<00:41:04.778>And <00:41:04.894>so <00:41:05.011>it <00:41:05.127>brings <00:41:05.244>me <00:41:05.361>a <00:41:05.477>lot <00:41:05.594>of <00:41:05.711>joy <00:41:05.828>to <00:41:05.944>see <00:41:06.061>them <00:41:06.178>cross-pollinating

758
00:41:08.488 --> 00:41:12.408
<00:41:08.488>between <00:41:08.643>those <00:41:08.799>two <00:41:08.954>communities <00:41:09.110>and <00:41:09.265>actually <00:41:09.421>bringing <00:41:09.576>and <00:41:09.732>getting <00:41:09.888>value

759
00:41:12.468 --> 00:41:12.768
<00:41:12.468>out <00:41:12.603>of <00:41:12.738>it.

760
00:41:14.268 --> 00:41:17.348
<00:41:14.268>Yeah, <00:41:14.368>and <00:41:14.468>I <00:41:14.568>think <00:41:14.668>it's <00:41:14.768>incredibly <00:41:14.868>important <00:41:14.968>to <00:41:15.068>say <00:41:15.168>these <00:41:15.268>things <00:41:15.368>to <00:41:15.468>us <00:41:15.568>as <00:41:15.668>well.

761
00:41:17.388 --> 00:41:20.968
<00:41:17.388>We <00:41:17.528>just <00:41:17.668>finished <00:41:17.808>our <00:41:17.948>Berlin <00:41:18.087>event <00:41:18.228>with <00:41:18.368>15,000 <00:41:18.508>people, <00:41:18.648>and <00:41:18.788>we

762
00:41:21.048 --> 00:41:22.458
<00:41:21.048>have <00:41:21.471>a <00:41:21.894>channel <00:41:22.317>on

763
00:41:23.288 --> 00:41:27.278
<00:41:23.288>LinkedIn <00:41:23.388>where <00:41:23.488>they <00:41:23.588>collect <00:41:23.688>all <00:41:23.788>the <00:41:23.888>things <00:41:23.988>that <00:41:24.088>people <00:41:24.188>post <00:41:24.288>about <00:41:24.388>the <00:41:24.488>event, <00:41:24.588>and <00:41:24.688>it

764
00:41:27.308 --> 00:41:29.468
<00:41:27.308>makes <00:41:27.541>us <00:41:27.774>feel <00:41:28.008>so <00:41:28.241>good. <00:41:28.474>Not <00:41:28.708>having

765
00:41:30.408 --> 00:41:34.368
<00:41:30.408>slept <00:41:30.524>or <00:41:30.641>showered <00:41:30.758>or <00:41:30.874>eaten <00:41:30.991>for <00:41:31.107>days <00:41:31.224>just <00:41:31.341>to <00:41:31.458>make <00:41:31.574>that <00:41:31.691>thing <00:41:31.808>happen,

766
00:41:34.468 --> 00:41:37.448
<00:41:34.468>to <00:41:34.643>get <00:41:34.817>that <00:41:34.993>feedback <00:41:35.167>later <00:41:35.343>on <00:41:35.518>is <00:41:35.692>incredibly <00:41:35.868>important.

767
00:41:37.488 --> 00:41:41.168
<00:41:37.488>Now <00:41:37.643>we're <00:41:37.799>working <00:41:37.954>on <00:41:38.110>the <00:41:38.265>San <00:41:38.421>Jose <00:41:38.576>event <00:41:38.732>in <00:41:38.888>September,

768
00:41:41.848 --> 00:41:45.788
<00:41:41.848>so <00:41:42.003>23rd <00:41:42.159>September <00:41:42.314>we're <00:41:42.470>going <00:41:42.625>to <00:41:42.781>be-- <00:41:42.936>20th <00:41:43.092>and <00:41:43.248>23rd

769
00:41:45.848 --> 00:41:48.318
<00:41:45.848>of <00:41:45.941>September, <00:41:46.034>we're <00:41:46.128>going <00:41:46.221>to <00:41:46.314>be <00:41:46.408>in <00:41:46.501>San <00:41:46.594>Jose <00:41:46.688>running <00:41:46.781>the <00:41:46.874>same <00:41:46.968>thing <00:41:47.061>for <00:41:47.154>the <00:41:47.248>first

770
00:41:48.318 --> 00:41:49.008
<00:41:48.318>time <00:41:48.628>in <00:41:48.939>America.

771
00:41:49.438 --> 00:41:49.688
Amazing.

772
00:41:49.728 --> 00:41:53.548
<00:41:49.728>So <00:41:49.855>it's <00:41:49.982>going <00:41:50.109>to <00:41:50.237>be <00:41:50.364>interesting <00:41:50.491>how <00:41:50.618>that <00:41:50.746>goes <00:41:50.873>down, <00:41:51.000>because <00:41:51.128>we

773
00:41:53.568 --> 00:41:57.508
<00:41:53.568>talked <00:41:53.723>earlier <00:41:53.879>that <00:41:54.034>sending <00:41:54.190>people <00:41:54.345>to <00:41:54.501>DevrelCon <00:41:54.656>is <00:41:54.812>tricky <00:41:54.968>for

774
00:41:57.578 --> 00:42:01.488
<00:41:57.578>companies <00:41:57.718>because <00:41:57.858>you <00:41:57.998>hire <00:41:58.138>Devrel <00:41:58.278>people <00:41:58.418>to <00:41:58.558>reach <00:41:58.698>outside <00:41:58.838>companies <00:41:58.978>and

775
00:42:01.568 --> 00:42:05.428
<00:42:01.568>outside <00:42:01.708>developers. <00:42:01.848>Sending <00:42:01.988>them <00:42:02.128>to <00:42:02.268>an <00:42:02.408>event <00:42:02.548>to <00:42:02.688>basically <00:42:02.828>just <00:42:02.968>talk

776
00:42:05.508 --> 00:42:07.148
<00:42:05.508>to <00:42:05.788>developers <00:42:06.067>is <00:42:06.348>a <00:42:06.627>different <00:42:06.908>thing.

777
00:42:07.638 --> 00:42:11.428
<00:42:07.638>And <00:42:07.754>I <00:42:07.871>don't <00:42:07.988>understand, <00:42:08.104>except <00:42:08.221>for <00:42:08.337>all <00:42:08.454>things <00:42:08.571>open, <00:42:08.688>I <00:42:08.804>don't <00:42:08.921>see <00:42:09.038>any

778
00:42:11.468 --> 00:42:14.528
<00:42:11.468>other <00:42:11.623>developer <00:42:11.779>event <00:42:11.934>in <00:42:12.090>America <00:42:12.245>right <00:42:12.401>now <00:42:12.556>that's <00:42:12.712>developer <00:42:12.868>focused.

779
00:42:14.668 --> 00:42:17.888
<00:42:14.668>Everything <00:42:14.823>is <00:42:14.979>kind <00:42:15.134>of <00:42:15.290>branded. <00:42:15.445>There's <00:42:15.601>the <00:42:15.756>Googles, <00:42:15.912>there's <00:42:16.068>the

780
00:42:18.868 --> 00:42:22.788
<00:42:18.868>Dreamforce, <00:42:19.218>there's <00:42:19.567>WWDC, <00:42:19.918>but <00:42:20.268>nobody

781
00:42:22.808 --> 00:42:26.648
<00:42:22.808>does <00:42:22.948>an <00:42:23.088>event <00:42:23.228>that's <00:42:23.368>only <00:42:23.508>developer <00:42:23.648>focused <00:42:23.788>and <00:42:23.928>general <00:42:24.068>developer, <00:42:24.208>like

782
00:42:26.728 --> 00:42:28.508
<00:42:26.728>anybody <00:42:27.194>database <00:42:27.661>to <00:42:28.128>AI.

783
00:42:29.828 --> 00:42:31.288
<00:42:29.828>Will <00:42:30.047>be <00:42:30.266>interesting <00:42:30.485>how <00:42:30.704>it <00:42:30.923>goes <00:42:31.142>down.

784
00:42:31.348 --> 00:42:35.037
<00:42:31.348>I <00:42:31.548>see <00:42:31.748>good <00:42:31.948>signs <00:42:32.148>so <00:42:32.348>far, <00:42:32.548>but <00:42:32.748>I

785
00:42:35.528 --> 00:42:39.108
<00:42:35.528>really <00:42:35.627>want <00:42:35.727>to <00:42:35.828>meet <00:42:35.928>more <00:42:36.028>geeks, <00:42:36.127>and <00:42:36.227>I <00:42:36.328>think <00:42:36.428>it's <00:42:36.528>a <00:42:36.627>good <00:42:36.727>idea, <00:42:36.828>and <00:42:36.928>yeah.

786
00:42:39.548 --> 00:42:39.558
<00:42:39.548>I <00:42:39.557>agree.

787
00:42:39.628 --> 00:42:42.608
<00:42:39.628>I <00:42:39.803>also <00:42:39.978>want <00:42:40.153>to <00:42:40.328>congratulate <00:42:40.503>you <00:42:40.678>on <00:42:40.853>the <00:42:41.028>DevrelCon.

788
00:42:42.708 --> 00:42:46.448
<00:42:42.708>The <00:42:42.908>diversity <00:42:43.108>of <00:42:43.308>speakers <00:42:43.508>and <00:42:43.708>audience <00:42:43.908>was <00:42:44.108>just

789
00:42:46.608 --> 00:42:50.228
<00:42:46.608>gorgeous. <00:42:46.735>It <00:42:46.862>was <00:42:46.989>not <00:42:47.117>only <00:42:47.244>white <00:42:47.371>dudes <00:42:47.498>that <00:42:47.626>tell <00:42:47.753>you <00:42:47.880>about <00:42:48.008>their

790
00:42:50.288 --> 00:42:53.908
<00:42:50.288>startup. <00:42:50.443>It <00:42:50.599>was <00:42:50.754>really <00:42:50.910>interesting <00:42:51.065>to <00:42:51.221>see <00:42:51.376>how <00:42:51.532>well <00:42:51.688>that

791
00:42:53.968 --> 00:42:57.908
<00:42:53.968>naturally <00:42:54.075>worked <00:42:54.183>and <00:42:54.291>flowed. <00:42:54.398>I <00:42:54.506>guess <00:42:54.614>after <00:42:54.721>13 <00:42:54.829>years, <00:42:54.937>it <00:42:55.044>comes <00:42:55.152>with <00:42:55.260>that, <00:42:55.368>right?

792
00:42:58.498 --> 00:43:01.698
<00:42:58.498>Well, <00:42:58.638>I <00:42:58.778>think <00:42:58.918>that <00:42:59.058>is <00:42:59.198>13 <00:42:59.338>years <00:42:59.478>of <00:42:59.618>a <00:42:59.758>very <00:42:59.898>concerted,

793
00:43:02.218 --> 00:43:06.138
<00:43:02.218>particular <00:43:02.417>strategy, <00:43:02.618>which <00:43:02.817>is <00:43:03.018>number <00:43:03.218>one, <00:43:03.417>best <00:43:03.618>practices.

794
00:43:06.718 --> 00:43:10.708
<00:43:06.718>Making <00:43:06.825>sure <00:43:06.933>that <00:43:07.041>every <00:43:07.148>person <00:43:07.256>on <00:43:07.364>my <00:43:07.471>team <00:43:07.579>and <00:43:07.687>every <00:43:07.794>community <00:43:07.902>member, <00:43:08.010>whatever <00:43:08.118>the

795
00:43:10.708 --> 00:43:13.918
<00:43:10.708>event <00:43:10.815>is, <00:43:10.923>whether <00:43:11.031>it's <00:43:11.138>DevRelCon <00:43:11.246>or <00:43:11.354>a <00:43:11.461>different <00:43:11.569>one, <00:43:11.677>understands <00:43:11.784>how <00:43:11.892>to <00:43:12.000>create <00:43:12.108>an

796
00:43:13.958 --> 00:43:17.338
<00:43:13.958>inclusive <00:43:14.133>environment. <00:43:14.308>That's <00:43:14.483>everything <00:43:14.658>from <00:43:14.833>just <00:43:15.008>using <00:43:15.183>inclusive <00:43:15.358>language

797
00:43:17.378 --> 00:43:21.258
<00:43:17.378>and <00:43:17.553>photos <00:43:17.728>on <00:43:17.903>your <00:43:18.078>website <00:43:18.253>that <00:43:18.428>reflect <00:43:18.603>multiple <00:43:18.778>different

798
00:43:21.278 --> 00:43:24.318
<00:43:21.278>personas <00:43:21.405>and <00:43:21.532>people <00:43:21.659>who <00:43:21.787>can <00:43:21.914>see <00:43:22.041>themselves <00:43:22.168>in <00:43:22.296>the <00:43:22.423>audience <00:43:22.550>and <00:43:22.678>the

799
00:43:24.398 --> 00:43:27.618
<00:43:24.398>speakers. <00:43:24.678>Things <00:43:24.958>like <00:43:25.238>the <00:43:25.518>lanyards <00:43:25.798>for

800
00:43:28.118 --> 00:43:31.878
<00:43:28.118>comfort <00:43:28.245>around <00:43:28.372>taking <00:43:28.499>photos, <00:43:28.627>little <00:43:28.754>things <00:43:28.881>that <00:43:29.008>just <00:43:29.136>make <00:43:29.263>people <00:43:29.390>happier <00:43:29.518>and

801
00:43:32.638 --> 00:43:33.658
<00:43:32.638>feel <00:43:33.096>more <00:43:33.556>welcome.

802
00:43:34.738 --> 00:43:38.678
<00:43:34.738>Specific <00:43:34.893>outreach <00:43:35.049>to <00:43:35.204>communities <00:43:35.360>that <00:43:35.515>serve <00:43:35.671>groups <00:43:35.826>of <00:43:35.982>people <00:43:36.138>who

803
00:43:38.898 --> 00:43:42.738
<00:43:38.898>traditionally <00:43:39.053>are <00:43:39.209>not <00:43:39.364>represented <00:43:39.520>in <00:43:39.675>DevRel <00:43:39.831>or <00:43:39.986>developers <00:43:40.142>or <00:43:40.298>wherever.

804
00:43:42.758 --> 00:43:45.038
<00:43:42.758>And <00:43:43.107>then <00:43:43.457>doing <00:43:43.808>aspirational <00:43:44.158>storytelling.

805
00:43:45.078 --> 00:43:49.007
<00:43:45.078>We're <00:43:45.218>literally <00:43:45.358>highlighting <00:43:45.498>people <00:43:45.638>from <00:43:45.778>diverse <00:43:45.918>and <00:43:46.058>open <00:43:46.198>backgrounds <00:43:46.338>and <00:43:46.478>putting

806
00:43:49.038 --> 00:43:50.878
<00:43:49.038>them <00:43:49.165>on <00:43:49.292>stage <00:43:49.419>in <00:43:49.547>front <00:43:49.674>of <00:43:49.801>others <00:43:49.928>where <00:43:50.056>you <00:43:50.183>could <00:43:50.310>see <00:43:50.438>them.

807
00:43:51.358 --> 00:43:54.458
<00:43:51.358>We've <00:43:51.513>been <00:43:51.669>using <00:43:51.824>that <00:43:51.980>same <00:43:52.135>playbook <00:43:52.291>at <00:43:52.446>Major <00:43:52.602>League <00:43:52.758>Hacking

808
00:43:54.518 --> 00:43:58.338
<00:43:54.518>for <00:43:54.673>almost <00:43:54.829>13 <00:43:54.984>years. <00:43:55.140>Let's <00:43:55.295>call <00:43:55.451>it <00:43:55.606>11, <00:43:55.762>because <00:43:55.918>frankly,

809
00:43:58.398 --> 00:44:00.198
<00:43:58.398>at <00:43:58.598>the <00:43:58.798>beginning <00:43:58.998>of <00:43:59.198>the <00:43:59.398>company, <00:43:59.598>it <00:43:59.798>was

810
00:44:01.138 --> 00:44:02.458
<00:44:01.138>less <00:44:01.307>of <00:44:01.477>a <00:44:01.647>priority <00:44:01.816>than <00:44:01.986>it <00:44:02.156>should've <00:44:02.326>been.

811
00:44:02.978 --> 00:44:06.478
<00:44:02.978>And <00:44:03.085>then, <00:44:03.193>today <00:44:03.301>when <00:44:03.408>I <00:44:03.516>think <00:44:03.624>about <00:44:03.731>where <00:44:03.839>we <00:44:03.947>are, <00:44:04.054>though, <00:44:04.162>it's <00:44:04.270>like <00:44:04.378>MLH's

812
00:44:06.518 --> 00:44:09.338
<00:44:06.518>community <00:44:06.868>broadly <00:44:07.218>is <00:44:07.568>about <00:44:07.918>50%

813
00:44:09.418 --> 00:44:12.318
<00:44:09.418>non-male <00:44:09.698>identifying. <00:44:09.978>This <00:44:10.258>is <00:44:10.538>one <00:44:10.818>example.

814
00:44:12.648 --> 00:44:16.638
<00:44:12.648>And <00:44:12.775>you <00:44:12.902>think <00:44:13.029>about <00:44:13.157>traditional <00:44:13.284>computer <00:44:13.411>science <00:44:13.538>and <00:44:13.666>what <00:44:13.793>our <00:44:13.920>demographics <00:44:14.048>in

815
00:44:16.678 --> 00:44:19.818
<00:44:16.678>our <00:44:16.911>classrooms <00:44:17.144>globally <00:44:17.377>are, <00:44:17.611>that's <00:44:17.844>an <00:44:18.078>incredibly

816
00:44:20.018 --> 00:44:20.778
different

817
00:44:21.898 --> 00:44:25.878
<00:44:21.898>percentage <00:44:22.005>profile. <00:44:22.113>And <00:44:22.221>so <00:44:22.328>anyway, <00:44:22.436>I <00:44:22.544>think <00:44:22.651>that <00:44:22.759>basically <00:44:22.867>what <00:44:22.974>it <00:44:23.082>comes <00:44:23.190>down <00:44:23.298>to

818
00:44:25.918 --> 00:44:28.278
<00:44:25.918>is <00:44:26.058>it's <00:44:26.198>really <00:44:26.338>intentional, <00:44:26.478>and <00:44:26.618>I <00:44:26.758>appreciate <00:44:26.898>you <00:44:27.038>calling <00:44:27.178>that <00:44:27.318>out.

819
00:44:28.318 --> 00:44:28.738
<00:44:28.318>And <00:44:28.507>I <00:44:28.696>think

820
00:44:30.358 --> 00:44:33.758
<00:44:30.358>if <00:44:30.465>we <00:44:30.573>think <00:44:30.681>about <00:44:30.788>our <00:44:30.896>industry <00:44:31.004>conferences <00:44:31.111>as <00:44:31.219>the <00:44:31.327>shining <00:44:31.434>example <00:44:31.542>that <00:44:31.650>other <00:44:31.758>people

821
00:44:33.778 --> 00:44:37.658
<00:44:33.778>should <00:44:33.894>learn <00:44:34.011>from <00:44:34.127>and <00:44:34.244>emulate, <00:44:34.361>that's <00:44:34.477>the <00:44:34.594>type <00:44:34.711>of <00:44:34.828>thing <00:44:34.944>I'm <00:44:35.061>hoping <00:44:35.178>other

822
00:44:37.698 --> 00:44:41.218
<00:44:37.698>people <00:44:37.805>see <00:44:37.913>at <00:44:38.021>DevRelCon <00:44:38.128>and <00:44:38.236>bring <00:44:38.344>back <00:44:38.451>with <00:44:38.559>them <00:44:38.667>to <00:44:38.774>whatever <00:44:38.882>events <00:44:38.990>they <00:44:39.098>either

823
00:44:41.278 --> 00:44:42.698
<00:44:41.278>participate <00:44:41.597>in <00:44:41.917>or <00:44:42.236>organize <00:44:42.556>themselves.

824
00:44:43.338 --> 00:44:46.878
<00:44:43.338>So <00:44:43.431>I <00:44:43.524>guess <00:44:43.618>we're <00:44:43.711>kind <00:44:43.804>of <00:44:43.898>out <00:44:43.991>of <00:44:44.084>time <00:44:44.178>because <00:44:44.271>more <00:44:44.364>than <00:44:44.458>45 <00:44:44.551>minutes, <00:44:44.644>people <00:44:44.738>get

825
00:44:46.978 --> 00:44:50.318
<00:44:46.978>itchy. <00:44:47.078>It <00:44:47.178>was <00:44:47.278>great <00:44:47.378>meeting <00:44:47.478>you. <00:44:47.578>It <00:44:47.678>was <00:44:47.778>great, <00:44:47.878>again, <00:44:47.978>talking <00:44:48.078>about <00:44:48.178>all <00:44:48.278>these <00:44:48.378>bits

826
00:44:50.338 --> 00:44:53.578
<00:44:50.338>and <00:44:50.513>bobs. <00:44:50.688>All <00:44:50.863>the <00:44:51.038>best <00:44:51.213>for <00:44:51.388>the <00:44:51.563>relaunch <00:44:51.738>of

827
00:44:53.598 --> 00:44:57.458
<00:44:53.598>Hacktoberfest, <00:44:53.714>and <00:44:53.831>we're <00:44:53.948>going <00:44:54.064>to <00:44:54.181>be <00:44:54.298>publishing <00:44:54.414>things <00:44:54.531>on <00:44:54.648>We <00:44:54.764>Are <00:44:54.881>Developers <00:44:54.998>as

828
00:44:57.518 --> 00:45:00.478
<00:44:57.518>well <00:44:57.673>and <00:44:57.829>sending <00:44:57.984>people <00:44:58.140>in <00:44:58.295>and <00:44:58.451>helping <00:44:58.606>you <00:44:58.762>with <00:44:58.918>that.

829
00:45:00.738 --> 00:45:02.558
<00:45:00.738>Oh, <00:45:02.138>yeah.

830
00:45:02.598 --> 00:45:04.918
<00:45:02.598>In <00:45:02.773>September, <00:45:02.948>we're <00:45:03.123>going <00:45:03.298>to <00:45:03.473>be <00:45:03.648>in <00:45:03.823>San <00:45:03.998>Jose.

831
00:45:04.978 --> 00:45:06.918
<00:45:04.978>Maybe <00:45:05.133>you <00:45:05.289>can <00:45:05.444>come <00:45:05.600>around <00:45:05.755>and <00:45:05.911>talk <00:45:06.066>about <00:45:06.222>it <00:45:06.378>there.

832
00:45:07.358 --> 00:45:07.367
<00:45:07.358>I <00:45:07.360>would <00:45:07.363>love <00:45:07.366>that.

833
00:45:07.378 --> 00:45:10.338
<00:45:07.378>Recruit <00:45:07.505>some <00:45:07.632>people, <00:45:07.759>and <00:45:07.887>we're <00:45:08.014>going <00:45:08.141>to <00:45:08.268>be <00:45:08.396>talking <00:45:08.523>about <00:45:08.650>it, <00:45:08.778>too.

834
00:45:10.538 --> 00:45:10.998
<00:45:10.538>Hell <00:45:10.952>yeah.

835
00:45:11.038 --> 00:45:11.178
So,

836
00:45:12.318 --> 00:45:14.318
<00:45:12.318>that <00:45:12.518>was <00:45:12.718>Mike <00:45:12.918>Swift <00:45:13.118>from <00:45:13.318>Major <00:45:13.518>League <00:45:13.718>Hacking.

837
00:45:14.368 --> 00:45:16.218
<00:45:14.368>Any <00:45:14.543>last <00:45:14.718>words <00:45:14.893>you <00:45:15.067>have <00:45:15.243>for <00:45:15.418>people <00:45:15.593>out <00:45:15.768>there?

838
00:45:16.778 --> 00:45:18.678
<00:45:16.778>No, <00:45:16.894>I <00:45:17.011>just <00:45:17.127>want <00:45:17.244>to <00:45:17.361>say <00:45:17.477>thank <00:45:17.594>you <00:45:17.711>so <00:45:17.828>much <00:45:17.944>for <00:45:18.061>having <00:45:18.178>me.

839
00:45:18.778 --> 00:45:22.777
<00:45:18.778>It's <00:45:18.894>such <00:45:19.011>a <00:45:19.127>privilege <00:45:19.244>to <00:45:19.361>be <00:45:19.477>in <00:45:19.594>the <00:45:19.711>place <00:45:19.828>that <00:45:19.944>I <00:45:20.061>am <00:45:20.178>all

840
00:45:22.848 --> 00:45:25.778
<00:45:22.848>these <00:45:22.948>years <00:45:23.048>later. <00:45:23.148>Like <00:45:23.248>I <00:45:23.348>said, <00:45:23.448>I <00:45:23.548>could've <00:45:23.648>very <00:45:23.748>easily <00:45:23.848>been <00:45:23.948>a <00:45:24.048>lawyer <00:45:24.148>instead <00:45:24.248>of

841
00:45:25.798 --> 00:45:29.388
<00:45:25.798>technologist, <00:45:25.905>and <00:45:26.013>if <00:45:26.121>there's <00:45:26.228>one <00:45:26.336>thing <00:45:26.444>that <00:45:26.551>brings <00:45:26.659>me <00:45:26.767>joy <00:45:26.874>in <00:45:26.982>life, <00:45:27.090>it's <00:45:27.198>helping

842
00:45:29.458 --> 00:45:32.538
<00:45:29.458>other <00:45:29.598>people <00:45:29.738>have <00:45:29.878>the <00:45:30.018>power <00:45:30.158>and <00:45:30.298>agency <00:45:30.438>to <00:45:30.578>pursue <00:45:30.718>their <00:45:30.858>dreams.

843
00:45:32.568 --> 00:45:35.658
<00:45:32.568>And <00:45:32.684>when <00:45:32.801>that <00:45:32.918>involves <00:45:33.034>software <00:45:33.151>and <00:45:33.268>technology, <00:45:33.384>that's <00:45:33.501>something <00:45:33.618>that <00:45:33.734>I <00:45:33.851>love <00:45:33.968>as

844
00:45:35.718 --> 00:45:39.318
<00:45:35.718>well. <00:45:35.834>And <00:45:35.951>I'm <00:45:36.067>excited <00:45:36.184>to <00:45:36.301>keep <00:45:36.417>doing <00:45:36.534>that <00:45:36.651>and <00:45:36.768>really <00:45:36.884>grateful <00:45:37.001>for <00:45:37.118>the

845
00:45:39.358 --> 00:45:40.578
<00:45:39.358>time <00:45:39.907>and <00:45:40.456>for

846
00:45:41.438 --> 00:45:42.818
<00:45:41.438>you <00:45:41.615>having <00:45:41.792>me <00:45:41.970>on <00:45:42.147>here. <00:45:42.325>So <00:45:42.502>thank <00:45:42.680>you.

847
00:45:44.138 --> 00:45:47.978
<00:45:44.138>Cool. <00:45:44.245>Well, <00:45:44.353>thanks <00:45:44.461>very <00:45:44.568>much. <00:45:44.676>And <00:45:44.784>that <00:45:44.891>was <00:45:44.999>it <00:45:45.107>for <00:45:45.214>"Coffee <00:45:45.322>with <00:45:45.430>Developers" <00:45:45.538>for

848
00:45:48.038 --> 00:45:51.578
<00:45:48.038>this <00:45:48.165>time. <00:45:48.292>And <00:45:48.419>tomorrow <00:45:48.547>I'm <00:45:48.674>going <00:45:48.801>to <00:45:48.928>be <00:45:49.056>interviewing <00:45:49.183>the <00:45:49.310>CTO <00:45:49.438>of

849
00:45:51.658 --> 00:45:54.398
<00:45:51.658>Amazon <00:45:51.774>for <00:45:51.891>"Coffee <00:45:52.008>with <00:45:52.124>Developers," <00:45:52.241>so <00:45:52.357>that's <00:45:52.474>going <00:45:52.591>to <00:45:52.708>be <00:45:52.824>interesting <00:45:52.941>as <00:45:53.058>well.

850
00:45:54.818 --> 00:45:55.838
<00:45:54.818>So <00:45:55.124>same <00:45:55.430>level, <00:45:55.736>really-

851
00:45:56.238 --> 00:45:56.268
<00:45:56.238>Yes, <00:45:56.265>exactly.

852
00:45:56.268 --> 00:45:58.558
<00:45:56.268>... <00:45:56.468>if <00:45:56.668>you <00:45:56.868>think <00:45:57.068>about <00:45:57.268>CEO, <00:45:57.468>CTO <00:45:57.668>thinking.

853
00:45:59.318 --> 00:46:00.858
<00:45:59.318>Well <00:45:59.595>then, <00:45:59.872>bye-bye. <00:46:00.149>See <00:46:00.426>you <00:46:00.704>soon.