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<00:21:44.592>Yeah, <00:21:44.766>there's <00:21:44.941>definitely <00:21:45.116>space <00:21:45.291>for <00:21:45.466>that, <00:21:45.641>isn't <00:21:45.816>there?

380
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<00:21:45.992>Because <00:21:46.099>I <00:21:46.207>think <00:21:46.315>that <00:21:46.422>whilst <00:21:46.530>we <00:21:46.638>do <00:21:46.745>focus <00:21:46.853>so <00:21:46.961>much <00:21:47.068>on, <00:21:47.176>as <00:21:47.284>you're <00:21:47.392>saying,

381
00:21:50.492 --> 00:21:53.912
<00:21:50.492>so <00:21:50.599>much <00:21:50.707>of <00:21:50.815>the <00:21:50.922>conversation <00:21:51.030>is <00:21:51.138>actually <00:21:51.245>focused <00:21:51.353>on <00:21:51.461>this <00:21:51.568>idea <00:21:51.676>that <00:21:51.784>development <00:21:51.892>is

382
00:21:53.952 --> 00:21:57.912
<00:21:53.952>just <00:21:54.092>writing <00:21:54.232>code, <00:21:54.372>and <00:21:54.512>that <00:21:54.652>we <00:21:54.792>talk <00:21:54.932>so <00:21:55.072>much <00:21:55.212>on <00:21:55.352>all

383
00:21:57.972 --> 00:22:01.452
<00:21:57.972>of <00:21:58.088>our <00:21:58.205>shows <00:21:58.322>about <00:21:58.438>that <00:21:58.555>really <00:21:58.672>is <00:21:58.788>a <00:21:58.905>very <00:21:59.022>small <00:21:59.138>part, <00:21:59.255>and <00:21:59.372>with

384
00:22:01.572 --> 00:22:03.552
<00:22:01.572>LLMs, <00:22:01.772>it's <00:22:01.972>even <00:22:02.171>more <00:22:02.371>of <00:22:02.572>a <00:22:02.772>small <00:22:02.972>part.

385
00:22:04.452 --> 00:22:07.752
<00:22:04.452>But <00:22:04.627>it <00:22:04.802>means <00:22:04.977>that <00:22:05.152>having <00:22:05.327>everybody <00:22:05.502>aligned <00:22:05.677>in <00:22:05.852>that

386
00:22:07.792 --> 00:22:11.172
<00:22:07.792>organization, <00:22:08.072>having <00:22:08.351>the <00:22:08.631>ability, <00:22:08.911>I <00:22:09.192>suppose,

387
00:22:11.332 --> 00:22:15.012
<00:22:11.332>to <00:22:11.459>have <00:22:11.586>people <00:22:11.713>collaborate <00:22:11.841>and <00:22:11.968>really <00:22:12.095>understand <00:22:12.222>how <00:22:12.350>the <00:22:12.477>software <00:22:12.604>is <00:22:12.732>being

388
00:22:15.072 --> 00:22:18.892
<00:22:15.072>built, <00:22:15.199>and <00:22:15.326>we <00:22:15.453>can <00:22:15.581>take <00:22:15.708>advantage <00:22:15.835>in <00:22:15.962>some <00:22:16.090>ways <00:22:16.217>of <00:22:16.344>these <00:22:16.472>AI

389
00:22:18.952 --> 00:22:22.532
<00:22:18.952>tools <00:22:19.079>to <00:22:19.206>help <00:22:19.333>kind <00:22:19.461>of <00:22:19.588>communicate <00:22:19.715>that <00:22:19.842>to <00:22:19.970>non-technical <00:22:20.097>people <00:22:20.224>within <00:22:20.352>the

390
00:22:22.572 --> 00:22:25.612
<00:22:22.572>company. <00:22:22.851>And <00:22:23.131>so, <00:22:23.411>there's <00:22:23.691>absolute <00:22:23.972>benefits.

391
00:22:25.652 --> 00:22:29.471
<00:22:25.652>And <00:22:25.729>I <00:22:25.807>think <00:22:25.885>that <00:22:25.963>what's <00:22:26.040>good <00:22:26.118>is <00:22:26.196>this, <00:22:26.274>like <00:22:26.352>I <00:22:26.429>said <00:22:26.507>at <00:22:26.585>the <00:22:26.663>very <00:22:26.740>start <00:22:26.818>of <00:22:26.896>the <00:22:26.974>show, <00:22:27.052>so

392
00:22:29.531 --> 00:22:33.312
<00:22:29.531>often <00:22:29.686>the <00:22:29.842>discussion <00:22:29.997>around <00:22:30.153>LLMs <00:22:30.308>is <00:22:30.464>fear <00:22:30.619>and <00:22:30.775>worry <00:22:30.931>and

393
00:22:33.351 --> 00:22:37.192
<00:22:33.351>negativity, <00:22:33.506>and <00:22:33.662>it's <00:22:33.817>actually <00:22:33.973>nice <00:22:34.128>to <00:22:34.284>hear <00:22:34.439>your <00:22:34.595>kind <00:22:34.751>of...

394
00:22:38.032 --> 00:22:40.132
<00:22:38.032>In <00:22:38.187>a <00:22:38.343>way, <00:22:38.498>your <00:22:38.654>talks <00:22:38.809>were <00:22:38.965>born <00:22:39.120>out <00:22:39.276>of <00:22:39.432>that.

395
00:22:40.392 --> 00:22:44.112
<00:22:40.392>And <00:22:40.508>the <00:22:40.625>issues <00:22:40.742>with <00:22:40.858>LLMs <00:22:40.975>are <00:22:41.092>what <00:22:41.208>has <00:22:41.325>kind <00:22:41.442>of <00:22:41.558>inspired <00:22:41.675>you <00:22:41.792>to

396
00:22:44.372 --> 00:22:46.532
<00:22:44.372>find <00:22:44.605>the <00:22:44.838>solutions <00:22:45.072>and <00:22:45.305>help <00:22:45.538>other <00:22:45.772>people.

397
00:22:47.172 --> 00:22:49.222
<00:22:47.172>So <00:22:47.288>with <00:22:47.405>that <00:22:47.522>in <00:22:47.638>mind <00:22:47.755>then, <00:22:47.872>I <00:22:47.988>want <00:22:48.105>to <00:22:48.222>kind <00:22:48.338>of <00:22:48.455>move <00:22:48.572>and

398
00:22:50.252 --> 00:22:53.092
<00:22:50.252>look <00:22:50.392>forward <00:22:50.532>a <00:22:50.672>little <00:22:50.812>bit <00:22:50.952>to <00:22:51.091>the <00:22:51.232>World <00:22:51.371>Congress <00:22:51.512>this <00:22:51.652>year.

399
00:22:54.472 --> 00:22:58.372
<00:22:54.472>Where <00:22:54.565>do <00:22:54.658>you <00:22:54.752>go <00:22:54.845>and <00:22:54.938>kind <00:22:55.032>of <00:22:55.125>find <00:22:55.218>inspiration <00:22:55.312>or <00:22:55.405>keep <00:22:55.498>up <00:22:55.591>to <00:22:55.685>date <00:22:55.778>when <00:22:55.872>it

400
00:22:58.412 --> 00:23:01.852
<00:22:58.412>comes <00:22:58.539>to <00:22:58.666>these <00:22:58.793>kinds <00:22:58.921>of <00:22:59.048>new <00:22:59.175>ways <00:22:59.302>of <00:22:59.430>doing <00:22:59.557>things <00:22:59.684>with <00:22:59.812>AI?

401
00:23:02.352 --> 00:23:05.952
<00:23:02.352>Oh, <00:23:02.702>yes. <00:23:03.052>First <00:23:03.402>thing <00:23:03.752>first,

402
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<00:23:06.152>it's <00:23:06.502>my <00:23:06.852>beautiful <00:23:07.202>colleagues. <00:23:07.552>My

403
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<00:23:10.192>beautiful <00:23:10.472>colleagues <00:23:10.752>are <00:23:11.032>indefinite <00:23:11.312>source <00:23:11.592>of

404
00:23:14.232 --> 00:23:18.092
<00:23:14.232>inspiration <00:23:14.407>for <00:23:14.581>me <00:23:14.757>because <00:23:14.932>I <00:23:15.107>talk <00:23:15.282>with <00:23:15.456>them, <00:23:15.632>I

405
00:23:18.152 --> 00:23:19.612
<00:23:18.152>ask <00:23:18.809>them <00:23:19.466>questions.

406
00:23:20.892 --> 00:23:24.852
<00:23:20.892>Like, <00:23:21.008>"How <00:23:21.125>did <00:23:21.242>you <00:23:21.358>do <00:23:21.475>that?" <00:23:21.592>Or <00:23:21.708>like, <00:23:21.825>"Did <00:23:21.942>you <00:23:22.058>experience <00:23:22.175>problem <00:23:22.292>with

407
00:23:24.872 --> 00:23:28.512
<00:23:24.872>that?" <00:23:25.047>And <00:23:25.222>thanks <00:23:25.397>to <00:23:25.572>AI, <00:23:25.747>by <00:23:25.922>the <00:23:26.097>way, <00:23:26.272>I

408
00:23:29.352 --> 00:23:33.092
<00:23:29.352>can <00:23:29.527>communicate <00:23:29.702>more <00:23:29.877>and <00:23:30.052>understand <00:23:30.227>more, <00:23:30.402>ask <00:23:30.577>deeper <00:23:30.752>questions

409
00:23:33.192 --> 00:23:35.932
<00:23:33.192>about, <00:23:33.542>for <00:23:33.892>example, <00:23:34.242>SREs, <00:23:34.592>about

410
00:23:36.172 --> 00:23:39.852
<00:23:36.172>DevOps, <00:23:36.522>about <00:23:36.872>product <00:23:37.222>work. <00:23:37.572>I'm

411
00:23:40.672 --> 00:23:42.992
<00:23:40.672>genuinely <00:23:40.905>curious <00:23:41.138>what <00:23:41.372>they <00:23:41.605>are <00:23:41.838>doing, <00:23:42.072>and

412
00:23:45.132 --> 00:23:48.852
<00:23:45.132>LLM <00:23:45.332>help <00:23:45.532>me <00:23:45.732>to <00:23:45.932>understand <00:23:46.132>the <00:23:46.332>simple <00:23:46.532>concepts

413
00:23:48.912 --> 00:23:51.062
<00:23:48.912>and <00:23:49.192>communicate <00:23:49.472>with <00:23:49.752>these <00:23:50.032>people <00:23:50.312>better.

414
00:23:51.062 --> 00:23:54.592
<00:23:51.062>And <00:23:51.189>I'll <00:23:51.316>ask <00:23:51.443>like, <00:23:51.571>"How <00:23:51.698>do <00:23:51.825>you <00:23:51.952>use <00:23:52.080>the <00:23:52.207>AI <00:23:52.334>with <00:23:52.462>this?

415
00:23:54.832 --> 00:23:56.812
<00:23:54.832>How <00:23:55.032>do <00:23:55.232>you <00:23:55.432>use <00:23:55.632>the <00:23:55.832>AI <00:23:56.032>with <00:23:56.232>that?"

416
00:23:56.912 --> 00:24:00.712
<00:23:56.912>And <00:23:57.378>they <00:23:57.845>tell <00:23:58.312>me

417
00:24:00.772 --> 00:24:04.572
<00:24:00.772>about <00:24:01.005>their <00:24:01.238>issues, <00:24:01.472>about <00:24:01.705>what <00:24:01.938>they <00:24:02.172>struggling

418
00:24:04.652 --> 00:24:08.412
<00:24:04.652>with. <00:24:04.768>And <00:24:04.885>sometimes, <00:24:05.002>and <00:24:05.118>I <00:24:05.235>love <00:24:05.352>this <00:24:05.468>when <00:24:05.585>they <00:24:05.702>came <00:24:05.818>to <00:24:05.935>me <00:24:06.052>like,

419
00:24:08.442 --> 00:24:11.912
<00:24:08.442>"I <00:24:08.597>found <00:24:08.753>this <00:24:08.908>nice <00:24:09.064>paper," <00:24:09.219>and, <00:24:09.375>"Find <00:24:09.530>this <00:24:09.686>nice <00:24:09.842>idea."

420
00:24:13.312 --> 00:24:16.432
<00:24:13.312>And <00:24:13.486>they <00:24:13.661>are <00:24:13.837>my <00:24:14.012>primary <00:24:14.187>sources <00:24:14.361>for <00:24:14.536>inspiration <00:24:14.712>because

421
00:24:17.052 --> 00:24:20.592
<00:24:17.052>all <00:24:17.179>of <00:24:17.306>the <00:24:17.433>people, <00:24:17.561>they <00:24:17.688>all <00:24:17.815>came <00:24:17.942>to <00:24:18.070>me <00:24:18.197>with <00:24:18.324>these <00:24:18.452>ideas.

422
00:24:20.732 --> 00:24:24.272
<00:24:20.732>And <00:24:20.872>this <00:24:21.012>actually <00:24:21.152>started <00:24:21.292>when <00:24:21.432>I'm <00:24:21.572>try <00:24:21.712>start <00:24:21.851>to <00:24:21.992>bother <00:24:22.132>them.

423
00:24:24.912 --> 00:24:28.104
<00:24:24.912>But <00:24:25.087>then <00:24:25.262>later <00:24:25.437>they-Came <00:24:25.612>to <00:24:25.787>me <00:24:25.962>with <00:24:26.137>the <00:24:26.312>ideas.

424
00:24:28.544 --> 00:24:30.344
<00:24:28.544>So <00:24:28.777>this <00:24:29.010>is <00:24:29.244>a <00:24:29.477>small <00:24:29.710>community <00:24:29.944>building.

425
00:24:30.424 --> 00:24:32.144
<00:24:30.424>But <00:24:30.704>then, <00:24:30.984>of <00:24:31.264>course, <00:24:31.543>there <00:24:31.824>is

426
00:24:33.264 --> 00:24:36.144
<00:24:33.264>also <00:24:33.543>an <00:24:33.823>inspiration <00:24:34.103>on <00:24:34.383>the <00:24:34.664>Substack.

427
00:24:36.324 --> 00:24:40.004
<00:24:36.324>I'm <00:24:36.499>blogging <00:24:36.674>there, <00:24:36.849>and <00:24:37.024>people <00:24:37.199>sometimes <00:24:37.374>write <00:24:37.549>me <00:24:37.724>back.

428
00:24:40.084 --> 00:24:44.024
<00:24:40.084>I <00:24:40.224>write <00:24:40.364>there. <00:24:40.504>I'm <00:24:40.644>expecting <00:24:40.784>a <00:24:40.924>few <00:24:41.064>people <00:24:41.204>for <00:24:41.344>write <00:24:41.484>me

429
00:24:44.564 --> 00:24:47.564
<00:24:44.564>back. <00:24:44.764>There <00:24:44.964>is <00:24:45.164>a <00:24:45.364>few <00:24:45.564>people <00:24:45.764>I <00:24:45.964>subscribe.

430
00:24:47.634 --> 00:24:51.604
<00:24:47.634>I <00:24:47.834>also <00:24:48.034>find <00:24:48.234>their <00:24:48.434>ideas <00:24:48.634>very, <00:24:48.834>very <00:24:49.034>useful.

431
00:24:51.684 --> 00:24:55.644
<00:24:51.684>Of <00:24:51.824>course, <00:24:51.964>there <00:24:52.104>is <00:24:52.244>a <00:24:52.384>problem <00:24:52.524>there <00:24:52.664>with <00:24:52.803>bot <00:24:52.944>traffic <00:24:53.084>again.

432
00:24:56.064 --> 00:24:58.724
<00:24:56.064>This <00:24:57.464>is

433
00:24:59.744 --> 00:25:01.284
<00:24:59.744>something <00:25:00.021>that <00:25:00.298>we <00:25:00.575>already <00:25:00.852>talk <00:25:01.130>about.

434
00:25:02.064 --> 00:25:04.494
<00:25:02.064>You're <00:25:02.171>certainly <00:25:02.279>living <00:25:02.387>up, <00:25:02.494>though, <00:25:02.602>to <00:25:02.710>the <00:25:02.817>philosophy <00:25:02.925>of <00:25:03.033>the <00:25:03.140>keeping <00:25:03.248>human <00:25:03.356>in <00:25:03.464>the

435
00:25:04.544 --> 00:25:08.264
<00:25:04.544>loop. <00:25:04.651>Because <00:25:04.759>what <00:25:04.867>was <00:25:04.974>great, <00:25:05.082>actually, <00:25:05.190>is <00:25:05.297>that <00:25:05.405>all <00:25:05.513>of <00:25:05.620>the <00:25:05.728>sources <00:25:05.836>of <00:25:05.944>inspiration

436
00:25:08.284 --> 00:25:11.804
<00:25:08.284>that <00:25:08.377>you <00:25:08.470>gave <00:25:08.564>were <00:25:08.657>people, <00:25:08.750>and <00:25:08.844>I <00:25:08.937>think <00:25:09.030>that's <00:25:09.124>really <00:25:09.217>nice <00:25:09.310>to <00:25:09.404>hear <00:25:09.497>that <00:25:09.590>we <00:25:09.684>are

437
00:25:11.824 --> 00:25:15.524
<00:25:11.824>developers, <00:25:11.940>right? <00:25:12.057>So, <00:25:12.174>as <00:25:12.290>I <00:25:12.407>said, <00:25:12.524>we <00:25:12.640>spend <00:25:12.757>so <00:25:12.874>much <00:25:12.990>talking <00:25:13.107>about <00:25:13.224>the

438
00:25:15.864 --> 00:25:19.824
<00:25:15.864>tech <00:25:15.971>that <00:25:16.079>we <00:25:16.187>use <00:25:16.294>and <00:25:16.402>the <00:25:16.510>tech <00:25:16.617>that <00:25:16.725>it <00:25:16.833>uses <00:25:16.940>and <00:25:17.048>maybe <00:25:17.156>won't <00:25:17.264>even

439
00:25:19.864 --> 00:25:22.664
<00:25:19.864>need <00:25:19.957>us <00:25:20.050>to <00:25:20.144>use <00:25:20.237>it <00:25:20.330>at <00:25:20.424>all, <00:25:20.517>so <00:25:20.610>it's <00:25:20.704>really <00:25:20.797>nice <00:25:20.890>to <00:25:20.984>hear <00:25:21.077>you <00:25:21.170>say <00:25:21.264>that.

440
00:25:23.924 --> 00:25:26.564
<00:25:23.924>Okay. <00:25:24.040>So <00:25:24.157>let's <00:25:24.274>look <00:25:24.390>at <00:25:24.507>the <00:25:24.624>three <00:25:24.740>days <00:25:24.857>at <00:25:24.974>the <00:25:25.090>World <00:25:25.207>Congress <00:25:25.324>then.

441
00:25:26.804 --> 00:25:29.584
<00:25:26.804>Is <00:25:26.911>this <00:25:27.019>your <00:25:27.127>first <00:25:27.234>time <00:25:27.342>at <00:25:27.450>the <00:25:27.557>World <00:25:27.665>Congress, <00:25:27.773>or <00:25:27.880>have <00:25:27.988>you <00:25:28.096>been <00:25:28.204>before?

442
00:25:31.564 --> 00:25:32.744
<00:25:31.564>Yeah, <00:25:31.829>it's <00:25:32.095>my <00:25:32.360>first <00:25:32.626>time.

443
00:25:33.504 --> 00:25:34.374
<00:25:33.504>Nice. <00:25:33.895>Okay. <00:25:34.287>I

444
00:25:35.264 --> 00:25:38.384
<00:25:35.264>don't <00:25:35.346>want <00:25:35.428>to <00:25:35.511>big <00:25:35.593>it <00:25:35.675>up <00:25:35.758>too <00:25:35.840>much, <00:25:35.922>but <00:25:36.005>it's <00:25:36.087>my <00:25:36.169>third <00:25:36.252>time, <00:25:36.334>and <00:25:36.416>I <00:25:36.499>absolutely <00:25:36.581>love <00:25:36.664>it.

445
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<00:25:38.524>I <00:25:38.724>was <00:25:38.924>once <00:25:39.123>just <00:25:39.323>an <00:25:39.524>attendee <00:25:39.724>at <00:25:39.924>the

446
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<00:25:42.264>conference, <00:25:42.371>and <00:25:42.479>so <00:25:42.587>now <00:25:42.694>working <00:25:42.802>for <00:25:42.910>WeAreDevelopers, <00:25:43.017>I <00:25:43.125>can <00:25:43.233>say <00:25:43.340>I've <00:25:43.448>been <00:25:43.556>on <00:25:43.664>both

447
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<00:25:45.764>sides <00:25:45.871>of <00:25:45.979>the <00:25:46.087>line. <00:25:46.194>What <00:25:46.302>are <00:25:46.410>you <00:25:46.517>most <00:25:46.625>excited <00:25:46.733>for, <00:25:46.840>though, <00:25:46.948>on <00:25:47.056>the <00:25:47.164>three

448
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days?

449
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<00:25:52.724>I'm <00:25:53.696>excited,

450
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<00:25:55.164>again, <00:25:55.319>to <00:25:55.475>meet <00:25:55.630>people. <00:25:55.786>So <00:25:55.941>they <00:25:56.097>are, <00:25:56.252>as <00:25:56.408>I <00:25:56.564>mentioned

451
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<00:25:59.184>previously, <00:25:59.311>they <00:25:59.438>are <00:25:59.565>source <00:25:59.693>of <00:25:59.820>my <00:25:59.947>inspiration, <00:26:00.074>so <00:26:00.202>I <00:26:00.329>try <00:26:00.456>to <00:26:00.584>find

452
00:26:03.024 --> 00:26:04.724
<00:26:03.024>more <00:26:03.373>source <00:26:03.724>of <00:26:04.073>inspiration. <00:26:04.424>So,

453
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<00:26:05.624>if <00:26:06.090>there <00:26:06.557>will <00:26:07.024>be

454
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<00:26:08.204>a <00:26:08.359>topics <00:26:08.515>that <00:26:08.670>I <00:26:08.826>would <00:26:08.981>be <00:26:09.137>very <00:26:09.292>interested <00:26:09.448>in, <00:26:09.604>I'll

455
00:26:12.084 --> 00:26:12.694
<00:26:12.084>definitely <00:26:12.633>go

456
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<00:26:14.244>to <00:26:14.399>that <00:26:14.555>person <00:26:14.710>and <00:26:14.866>ask <00:26:15.021>them <00:26:15.177>a <00:26:15.332>lot <00:26:15.488>of <00:26:15.644>questions.

457
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<00:26:18.124>And <00:26:18.324>also, <00:26:18.524>I'm <00:26:18.724>hoping <00:26:18.924>that <00:26:19.124>people <00:26:19.324>ask <00:26:19.524>more

458
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<00:26:21.764>questions <00:26:22.113>back <00:26:22.464>from <00:26:22.813>me, <00:26:23.164>and

459
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<00:26:25.364>hoping... <00:26:25.644>That's <00:26:25.924>a <00:26:26.204>huge <00:26:26.484>value <00:26:26.764>of

460
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<00:26:29.344>genuinely <00:26:29.499>trying <00:26:29.655>to <00:26:29.810>build <00:26:29.966>a <00:26:30.121>community, <00:26:30.277>build <00:26:30.432>the <00:26:30.588>people <00:26:30.744>who

461
00:26:33.164 --> 00:26:36.353
<00:26:33.164>understand <00:26:33.397>you <00:26:33.630>and <00:26:33.864>talk <00:26:34.097>with <00:26:34.330>you. <00:26:34.564>Because

462
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<00:26:37.144>people <00:26:37.344>are <00:26:37.544>tired <00:26:37.744>of <00:26:37.944>this <00:26:38.144>bot <00:26:38.344>traffic. <00:26:38.544>Yeah.

463
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<00:26:39.424>You <00:26:39.599>subscribe <00:26:39.774>to <00:26:39.949>some <00:26:40.124>person, <00:26:40.299>and <00:26:40.474>they <00:26:40.649>are <00:26:40.824>just

464
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<00:26:45.024>constantly <00:26:45.490>replying <00:26:45.957>the <00:26:46.424>same

465
00:26:48.144 --> 00:26:52.024
<00:26:48.144>AI <00:26:48.377>slop <00:26:48.610>again <00:26:48.844>and <00:26:49.077>again. <00:26:49.310>It's <00:26:49.544>frustrating.

466
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<00:26:52.084>It's <00:26:52.317>frustrating <00:26:52.550>that <00:26:52.784>there <00:26:53.017>is <00:26:53.250>sometimes <00:26:53.484>no

467
00:26:56.024 --> 00:26:59.624
<00:26:56.024>genuine <00:26:56.724>topics, <00:26:57.424>no

468
00:26:59.864 --> 00:27:03.004
<00:26:59.864>new <00:27:00.039>ideas <00:27:00.214>there. <00:27:00.389>So <00:27:00.564>it's <00:27:00.739>very, <00:27:00.914>very <00:27:01.089>nice <00:27:01.264>to

469
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<00:27:03.384>connect <00:27:03.828>with <00:27:04.272>the <00:27:04.716>people,

470
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to

471
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<00:27:08.444>hear <00:27:08.677>their <00:27:08.910>idea, <00:27:09.144>to <00:27:09.377>ask <00:27:09.610>them <00:27:09.844>questions.

472
00:27:10.954 --> 00:27:14.924
<00:27:10.954>And <00:27:11.187>I <00:27:11.420>really <00:27:11.654>like <00:27:11.887>people <00:27:12.120>who <00:27:12.354>challenge

473
00:27:14.964 --> 00:27:16.004
<00:27:14.964>me, <00:27:15.899>who

474
00:27:17.224 --> 00:27:20.124
<00:27:17.224>say, <00:27:17.424>like, <00:27:17.624>"Okay. <00:27:17.823>But <00:27:18.024>maybe <00:27:18.224>you <00:27:18.424>are <00:27:18.624>wrong.

475
00:27:21.684 --> 00:27:25.624
<00:27:21.684>Maybe <00:27:21.800>this <00:27:21.917>is <00:27:22.033>not <00:27:22.150>a <00:27:22.267>right <00:27:22.384>approach." <00:27:22.500>And <00:27:22.617>this <00:27:22.734>is <00:27:22.850>great, <00:27:22.967>because, <00:27:23.084>like,

476
00:27:26.424 --> 00:27:28.324
<00:27:26.424>"Let's <00:27:26.624>talk <00:27:26.824>about <00:27:27.024>this. <00:27:27.224>Let's <00:27:27.424>talk <00:27:27.624>about <00:27:27.824>this.

477
00:27:28.384 --> 00:27:30.864
<00:27:28.384>Let's <00:27:28.734>find <00:27:29.084>another <00:27:29.434>alternative <00:27:29.784>approach.

478
00:27:30.924 --> 00:27:34.284
<00:27:30.924>Maybe <00:27:31.124>I'm <00:27:31.324>wrong." <00:27:31.524>And <00:27:31.724>definitely <00:27:31.924>no <00:27:32.124>one <00:27:32.324>can

479
00:27:34.324 --> 00:27:38.114
<00:27:34.324>know. <00:27:34.524>I'm <00:27:34.724>not <00:27:34.924>an <00:27:35.124>LLM. <00:27:35.324>I <00:27:35.524>cannot <00:27:35.724>say,

480
00:27:38.224 --> 00:27:41.984
<00:27:38.224>like, <00:27:38.379>"I'm <00:27:38.535>100% <00:27:38.690>sure <00:27:38.846>that <00:27:39.001>it's <00:27:39.157>correct." <00:27:39.312>So <00:27:39.468>I'm <00:27:39.624>a

481
00:27:42.024 --> 00:27:44.684
<00:27:42.024>human. <00:27:42.224>I'm <00:27:42.424>allowed <00:27:42.623>to <00:27:42.823>say, <00:27:43.024>"I <00:27:43.224>don't <00:27:43.424>know."

482
00:27:44.704 --> 00:27:48.514
<00:27:44.704>That <00:27:44.797>does <00:27:44.890>very <00:27:44.984>much <00:27:45.077>kind <00:27:45.170>of <00:27:45.264>sum <00:27:45.357>up <00:27:45.450>one <00:27:45.543>of <00:27:45.637>the <00:27:45.730>things <00:27:45.823>you <00:27:45.917>said <00:27:46.010>at <00:27:46.104>the

483
00:27:48.564 --> 00:27:51.624
<00:27:48.564>very <00:27:48.671>start, <00:27:48.779>is <00:27:48.887>that <00:27:48.994>LLMs <00:27:49.102>will <00:27:49.210>try <00:27:49.317>and <00:27:49.425>give <00:27:49.533>you <00:27:49.640>an <00:27:49.748>answer, <00:27:49.856>and <00:27:49.964>that

484
00:27:52.624 --> 00:27:56.284
<00:27:52.624>we <00:27:52.711>almost <00:27:52.799>try <00:27:52.886>and <00:27:52.974>encourage <00:27:53.061>it <00:27:53.149>to <00:27:53.236>say, <00:27:53.324>"I <00:27:53.411>don't <00:27:53.499>know." <00:27:53.586>And <00:27:53.674>I <00:27:53.761>thought <00:27:53.849>to <00:27:53.936>myself <00:27:54.024>at

485
00:27:56.304 --> 00:27:59.004
<00:27:56.304>the <00:27:56.537>time, <00:27:56.770>that's <00:27:57.004>very <00:27:57.237>much <00:27:57.470>like <00:27:57.704>people.

486
00:27:59.204 --> 00:28:01.084
<00:27:59.204>We <00:27:59.379>feel <00:27:59.553>like <00:27:59.729>we <00:27:59.904>want <00:28:00.079>to <00:28:00.254>give <00:28:00.428>an <00:28:00.604>answer.

487
00:28:01.164 --> 00:28:03.924
<00:28:01.164>We <00:28:01.264>feel <00:28:01.364>like <00:28:01.464>it's <00:28:01.564>going <00:28:01.664>to <00:28:01.764>disappoint <00:28:01.864>somebody <00:28:01.964>if <00:28:02.064>we <00:28:02.164>don't <00:28:02.264>or <00:28:02.364>something <00:28:02.464>like <00:28:02.564>that.

488
00:28:04.254 --> 00:28:07.364
<00:28:04.254>And <00:28:04.353>actually, <00:28:04.454>you <00:28:04.553>learn <00:28:04.654>over <00:28:04.754>time, <00:28:04.853>don't <00:28:04.954>you, <00:28:05.053>to <00:28:05.154>say, <00:28:05.254>"I <00:28:05.353>don't <00:28:05.454>know," <00:28:05.553>and <00:28:05.654>somebody

489
00:28:07.424 --> 00:28:11.104
<00:28:07.424>else <00:28:07.524>does, <00:28:07.624>and <00:28:07.724>that's <00:28:07.824>okay. <00:28:07.924>What <00:28:08.024>would <00:28:08.124>you <00:28:08.224>say <00:28:08.324>to <00:28:08.424>somebody, <00:28:08.524>then, <00:28:08.624>who's <00:28:08.724>thinking <00:28:08.824>of

490
00:28:11.144 --> 00:28:13.924
<00:28:11.144>coming <00:28:11.251>to <00:28:11.359>the <00:28:11.467>World <00:28:11.574>Congress? <00:28:11.682>They're <00:28:11.790>there <00:28:11.897>right <00:28:12.005>now <00:28:12.113>with <00:28:12.220>their <00:28:12.328>boss, <00:28:12.436>with <00:28:12.544>their

491
00:28:14.004 --> 00:28:16.784
<00:28:14.004>credit <00:28:14.103>card <00:28:14.204>in <00:28:14.303>hand, <00:28:14.404>and <00:28:14.504>they're <00:28:14.603>saying, <00:28:14.704>"Please <00:28:14.803>buy <00:28:14.904>me <00:28:15.004>a <00:28:15.103>ticket," <00:28:15.204>and <00:28:15.303>they <00:28:15.404>just

492
00:28:16.824 --> 00:28:18.224
<00:28:16.824>need <00:28:17.004>to <00:28:17.184>convince <00:28:17.364>them. <00:28:17.544>What <00:28:17.724>would <00:28:17.904>you <00:28:18.083>say?

493
00:28:18.904 --> 00:28:22.584
<00:28:18.904>If <00:28:19.104>you <00:28:19.304>want <00:28:19.504>to <00:28:19.704>meet <00:28:19.904>a <00:28:20.104>lot <00:28:20.304>of

494
00:28:23.404 --> 00:28:26.944
<00:28:23.404>real <00:28:23.637>people <00:28:23.870>in <00:28:24.104>our <00:28:24.337>age <00:28:24.570>of <00:28:24.804>AI,

495
00:28:27.924 --> 00:28:29.284
<00:28:27.924>talk <00:28:28.536>with <00:28:29.148>them,

496
00:28:30.164 --> 00:28:33.724
<00:28:30.164>and <00:28:30.397>who <00:28:30.630>actually <00:28:30.864>meet <00:28:31.097>the <00:28:31.330>people <00:28:31.564>who

497
00:28:34.144 --> 00:28:38.084
<00:28:34.144>know, <00:28:34.271>on <00:28:34.398>the <00:28:34.525>one <00:28:34.653>hand, <00:28:34.780>have <00:28:34.907>a <00:28:35.034>problem, <00:28:35.162>on <00:28:35.289>the <00:28:35.416>other <00:28:35.544>hand,

498
00:28:38.244 --> 00:28:40.094
<00:28:38.244>that <00:28:38.444>you <00:28:38.644>can <00:28:38.843>solve. <00:28:39.043>On <00:28:39.244>the <00:28:39.444>other <00:28:39.644>hand,

499
00:28:42.144 --> 00:28:44.304
<00:28:42.144>people <00:28:42.344>who <00:28:42.544>know <00:28:42.744>the <00:28:42.944>solution <00:28:43.144>to <00:28:43.344>your <00:28:43.544>problem.

500
00:28:44.984 --> 00:28:48.244
<00:28:44.984>That's <00:28:45.217>a <00:28:45.450>nice <00:28:45.684>place <00:28:45.917>to <00:28:46.150>find <00:28:46.384>the

501
00:28:49.524 --> 00:28:53.244
<00:28:49.524>people. <00:28:49.724>It's <00:28:49.924>very <00:28:50.123>important <00:28:50.323>in <00:28:50.524>our <00:28:50.724>age <00:28:50.924>of

502
00:28:53.324 --> 00:28:54.384
<00:28:53.324>AI <00:28:54.278>to

503
00:28:56.384 --> 00:28:59.244
<00:28:56.384>be <00:28:56.664>able <00:28:56.944>to <00:28:57.224>find <00:28:57.504>your <00:28:57.784>community.

504
00:28:59.404 --> 00:29:02.804
<00:28:59.404>Absolutely. <00:28:59.504>I <00:28:59.604>couldn't <00:28:59.704>agree <00:28:59.804>more, <00:28:59.904>and <00:29:00.004>I <00:29:00.104>think <00:29:00.204>that's <00:29:00.304>a <00:29:00.404>brilliant <00:29:00.504>place <00:29:00.604>for <00:29:00.704>us <00:29:00.804>to

505
00:29:02.864 --> 00:29:06.544
<00:29:02.864>end <00:29:02.971>today's <00:29:03.079>episode. <00:29:03.187>Because <00:29:03.294>it's <00:29:03.402>obviously <00:29:03.510>been <00:29:03.617>nice <00:29:03.725>speaking <00:29:03.833>to <00:29:03.940>you, <00:29:04.048>and <00:29:04.156>you <00:29:04.264>are

506
00:29:06.584 --> 00:29:09.944
<00:29:06.584>a <00:29:06.691>real <00:29:06.799>person, <00:29:06.907>Olena. <00:29:07.014>I <00:29:07.122>can <00:29:07.230>vouch <00:29:07.337>for <00:29:07.445>you. <00:29:07.553>You <00:29:07.660>are <00:29:07.768>not <00:29:07.876>an <00:29:07.984>LLM.

507
00:29:10.284 --> 00:29:12.064
<00:29:10.284>We <00:29:10.564>saw <00:29:10.844>backstage. <00:29:11.124>You're <00:29:11.404>definitely <00:29:11.684>real.

508
00:29:13.324 --> 00:29:17.184
<00:29:13.324>But <00:29:13.417>also, <00:29:13.510>it <00:29:13.604>is <00:29:13.697>great <00:29:13.790>to <00:29:13.884>kind <00:29:13.977>of <00:29:14.070>look <00:29:14.164>ahead <00:29:14.257>at <00:29:14.350>the <00:29:14.444>Congress <00:29:14.537>because, <00:29:14.630>as <00:29:14.724>you

509
00:29:17.224 --> 00:29:21.184
<00:29:17.224>said, <00:29:17.351>in <00:29:17.478>an <00:29:17.605>age <00:29:17.733>where <00:29:17.860>we're <00:29:17.987>all <00:29:18.114>even <00:29:18.242>more <00:29:18.369>tied <00:29:18.496>to <00:29:18.624>our

510
00:29:21.204 --> 00:29:24.844
<00:29:21.204>computers <00:29:21.331>than <00:29:21.458>ever <00:29:21.585>and <00:29:21.713>working <00:29:21.840>remotely <00:29:21.967>around <00:29:22.094>the <00:29:22.222>world, <00:29:22.349>being <00:29:22.476>together <00:29:22.604>in

511
00:29:24.944 --> 00:29:28.904
<00:29:24.944>person <00:29:25.051>and <00:29:25.159>talking <00:29:25.267>about <00:29:25.374>the <00:29:25.482>thing <00:29:25.590>that <00:29:25.697>we <00:29:25.805>all <00:29:25.913>love, <00:29:26.020>development, <00:29:26.128>it's <00:29:26.236>a <00:29:26.344>really

512
00:29:28.944 --> 00:29:32.784
<00:29:28.944>great <00:29:29.060>thing. <00:29:29.177>So <00:29:29.293>I'd <00:29:29.410>just <00:29:29.527>like <00:29:29.644>to <00:29:29.760>say <00:29:29.877>again, <00:29:29.994>Olena <00:29:30.110>Babenko, <00:29:30.227>thank <00:29:30.344>you

513
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