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Yeah.

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362
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Definitely.

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you.

367
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Yeah.

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So

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<00:23:03.990>everyone <00:23:04.130>out <00:23:04.270>there <00:23:04.410>is <00:23:04.550>trying <00:23:04.690>to <00:23:04.830>build <00:23:04.970>million-dollar <00:23:05.110>companies, <00:23:05.250>and <00:23:05.390>eventually

389
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<00:23:07.740>we'll <00:23:08.010>see <00:23:08.280>that.

390
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391
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392
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<00:23:17.190>here, <00:23:17.330>we're <00:23:17.470>meeting <00:23:17.610>people <00:23:17.750>that <00:23:17.890>are <00:23:18.030>building <00:23:18.170>things <00:23:18.310>they're <00:23:18.450>really <00:23:18.590>passionate

393
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<00:23:19.950>about, <00:23:20.043>and <00:23:20.136>you're <00:23:20.230>one <00:23:20.323>of <00:23:20.416>them. <00:23:20.510>And <00:23:20.603>I <00:23:20.696>think <00:23:20.790>it's <00:23:20.883>great <00:23:20.976>to <00:23:21.070>see <00:23:21.163>that <00:23:21.256>you've <00:23:21.350>met

394
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<00:23:22.590>somebody <00:23:22.745>from <00:23:22.901>your <00:23:23.056>city, <00:23:23.212>which <00:23:23.367>is <00:23:23.523>just <00:23:23.678>the <00:23:23.834>craziest <00:23:23.990>thing.

395
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Yeah.

396
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<00:23:26.580>But <00:23:26.673>somebody <00:23:26.766>that <00:23:26.860>you <00:23:26.953>can <00:23:27.046>see <00:23:27.139>now. <00:23:27.233>This <00:23:27.326>is <00:23:27.419>the <00:23:27.513>best <00:23:27.606>thing <00:23:27.699>about <00:23:27.793>the <00:23:27.886>kind <00:23:27.980>of

397
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<00:23:31.230>collaborative <00:23:32.202>environment.

398
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Exactly.

399
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400
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401
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<00:23:36.240>I <00:23:36.367>know <00:23:36.494>you <00:23:36.621>have <00:23:36.749>another <00:23:36.876>meeting <00:23:37.003>now, <00:23:37.130>so <00:23:37.258>I <00:23:37.385>appreciate <00:23:37.512>your <00:23:37.640>time.

402
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<00:23:38.265>Thank <00:23:38.265>you.

403
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404
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it.

405
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406
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<00:23:46.140>it. <00:23:46.240>I <00:23:46.340>feel <00:23:46.440>someone <00:23:46.540>else <00:23:46.640>might <00:23:46.740>use <00:23:46.840>it <00:23:46.940>across. <00:23:47.040>This <00:23:47.140>is <00:23:47.240>what <00:23:47.340>I've <00:23:47.440>been <00:23:47.540>doing.

407
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<00:23:50.100>Whatever <00:23:50.216>things <00:23:50.333>that <00:23:50.449>I've <00:23:50.566>been <00:23:50.683>facing <00:23:50.800>problems <00:23:50.916>across, <00:23:51.033>I <00:23:51.149>build <00:23:51.266>a <00:23:51.383>small <00:23:51.500>solution.

408
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409
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410
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<00:24:01.111>Love <00:24:01.251>to <00:24:01.391>hear <00:24:01.531>that, <00:24:01.671>and <00:24:01.811>we <00:24:01.951>couldn't <00:24:02.091>support <00:24:02.231>that <00:24:02.371>any <00:24:02.511>more.

411
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<00:24:03.121>That's <00:24:03.620>absolutely <00:24:04.119>fantastic.

412
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Yeah.

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414
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Yeah.

415
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<00:24:05.730>Thank <00:24:06.175>you.

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