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<00:19:06.215>who <00:19:06.581>title <00:19:06.947>with <00:19:07.312>DevOps.

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396
00:19:32.335 --> 00:19:34.515
<00:19:32.335>So <00:19:32.615>you <00:19:32.895>have <00:19:33.175>these <00:19:33.455>two <00:19:33.735>professions.

397
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<00:19:34.515>You <00:19:34.839>have <00:19:35.163>these <00:19:35.487>application <00:19:35.811>developers

398
00:19:35.955 --> 00:19:37.395
<00:19:35.955>and <00:19:36.387>the <00:19:36.819>infrastructure <00:19:37.251>engineers.

399
00:19:37.645 --> 00:19:40.675
<00:19:37.645>These <00:19:37.878>are <00:19:38.111>both <00:19:38.345>very <00:19:38.578>highly <00:19:38.811>specialized <00:19:39.045>professions

400
00:19:41.295 --> 00:19:43.475
<00:19:41.295>and <00:19:41.575>they <00:19:41.855>take <00:19:42.135>years <00:19:42.415>to <00:19:42.695>master.

401
00:19:44.855 --> 00:19:49.115
<00:19:44.855>Um, <00:19:45.010>what <00:19:45.166>suddenly <00:19:45.321>seems <00:19:45.477>to <00:19:45.632>have <00:19:45.788>been <00:19:45.943>expected <00:19:46.099>of <00:19:46.255>both,

402
00:19:49.845 --> 00:19:53.715
<00:19:49.845>maybe <00:19:50.020>more <00:19:50.195>of <00:19:50.370>the <00:19:50.545>developer <00:19:50.720>side <00:19:50.895>is <00:19:51.070>to <00:19:51.245>understand

403
00:19:53.715 --> 00:19:55.675
<00:19:53.715>what <00:19:53.915>happens <00:19:54.115>in <00:19:54.314>the <00:19:54.514>other <00:19:54.715>one <00:19:54.915>without <00:19:55.115>having

404
00:19:55.675 --> 00:19:56.715
<00:19:55.675>ever <00:19:55.986>walked <00:19:56.299>into <00:19:56.610>shoes.

405
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<00:19:58.225>That <00:19:58.574>won't <00:19:58.925>happen. <00:19:59.274>Um, <00:19:59.625>and

406
00:20:00.675 --> 00:20:02.675
<00:20:00.675>because <00:20:01.024>infrastructure <00:20:01.375>engineers <00:20:01.725>write <00:20:02.075>code

407
00:20:03.385 --> 00:20:05.275
<00:20:03.385>doesn't <00:20:03.665>mean <00:20:03.945>they <00:20:04.225>write <00:20:04.504>application <00:20:04.785>code,

408
00:20:05.275 --> 00:20:06.915
<00:20:05.275>doesn't <00:20:05.625>mean <00:20:05.975>they <00:20:06.325>understand <00:20:06.675>how

409
00:20:07.595 --> 00:20:09.755
<00:20:07.595>a <00:20:07.795>AOS <00:20:07.995>application <00:20:08.195>behaves <00:20:08.395>in <00:20:08.595>the <00:20:08.795>Kubernetes <00:20:08.995>cluster

410
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<00:20:09.895>or <00:20:10.205>whatever <00:20:10.516>it <00:20:10.826>may <00:20:11.137>be.

411
00:20:12.305 --> 00:20:15.835
<00:20:12.305>This <00:20:12.432>is <00:20:12.559>not <00:20:12.686>something <00:20:12.814>that <00:20:12.941>you <00:20:13.068>can <00:20:13.195>just <00:20:13.323>shout <00:20:13.450>into <00:20:13.577>the <00:20:13.705>void

412
00:20:16.255 --> 00:20:18.755
<00:20:16.255>and <00:20:16.488>DevOps <00:20:16.721>happens <00:20:16.955>and <00:20:17.188>it's <00:20:17.421>all <00:20:17.655>magical.

413
00:20:20.105 --> 00:20:21.955
<00:20:20.105>It's <00:20:20.338>absolutely <00:20:20.571>true <00:20:20.805>that <00:20:21.038>it <00:20:21.271>is <00:20:21.505>better

414
00:20:21.955 --> 00:20:24.915
<00:20:21.955>because <00:20:22.235>knowledge <00:20:22.514>sharing <00:20:22.794>is <00:20:23.074>always <00:20:23.355>better

415
00:20:25.335 --> 00:20:27.555
<00:20:25.335>and <00:20:25.615>it <00:20:25.895>makes <00:20:26.175>systems <00:20:26.455>and <00:20:26.735>products

416
00:20:27.735 --> 00:20:29.155
<00:20:27.735>and <00:20:28.160>services <00:20:28.587>more <00:20:29.013>resilient,

417
00:20:29.155 --> 00:20:31.195
<00:20:29.155>which <00:20:29.330>is <00:20:29.504>something <00:20:29.680>in <00:20:29.855>government <00:20:30.030>we <00:20:30.205>really <00:20:30.379>care <00:20:30.555>for.

418
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<00:20:32.135>But <00:20:32.310>it <00:20:32.485>does <00:20:32.660>not <00:20:32.835>mean <00:20:33.010>that <00:20:33.185>it'll <00:20:33.360>happen <00:20:33.535>magically.

419
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<00:20:36.385>This <00:20:36.525>requires <00:20:36.665>a <00:20:36.805>lot <00:20:36.945>of <00:20:37.085>investment <00:20:37.225>of <00:20:37.365>money <00:20:37.504>and <00:20:37.645>of <00:20:37.785>time

420
00:20:39.935 --> 00:20:41.915
<00:20:39.935>and <00:20:40.635>of <00:20:41.335>trust

421
00:20:42.305 --> 00:20:44.835
<00:20:42.305>because <00:20:42.505>the <00:20:42.705>way <00:20:42.905>to <00:20:43.105>make <00:20:43.305>a <00:20:43.505>developer <00:20:43.705>understand

422
00:20:44.835 --> 00:20:46.515
<00:20:44.835>what <00:20:45.115>an <00:20:45.395>infrastructure <00:20:45.675>engineer <00:20:45.955>does <00:20:46.235>is

423
00:20:46.515 --> 00:20:49.365
<00:20:46.515>to <00:20:46.670>make <00:20:46.826>them <00:20:46.981>walk <00:20:47.137>in <00:20:47.292>their <00:20:47.448>shoes <00:20:47.603>and <00:20:47.759>vice <00:20:47.915>versa.

424
00:20:49.795 --> 00:20:52.325
<00:20:49.795>It's <00:20:49.935>to <00:20:50.075>make <00:20:50.215>a <00:20:50.355>developer <00:20:50.495>be <00:20:50.635>part <00:20:50.775>of <00:20:50.915>an <00:20:51.055>infrastructure <00:20:51.195>team,

425
00:20:52.385 --> 00:20:54.765
<00:20:52.385>be <00:20:52.618>on <00:20:52.851>call, <00:20:53.085>make <00:20:53.318>changes, <00:20:53.551>break <00:20:53.785>things.

426
00:20:54.875 --> 00:20:56.885
<00:20:54.875>It's <00:20:55.075>to <00:20:55.275>make <00:20:55.475>an <00:20:55.675>infrastructure <00:20:55.875>engineer, <00:20:56.075>be <00:20:56.275>part

427
00:20:56.885 --> 00:20:59.805
<00:20:56.885>of <00:20:57.040>a <00:20:57.196>service <00:20:57.351>team, <00:20:57.507>try <00:20:57.662>to <00:20:57.818>deliver <00:20:57.973>a <00:20:58.129>feature, <00:20:58.285>try

428
00:20:59.805 --> 00:21:02.245
<00:20:59.805>to <00:21:00.085>understand <00:21:00.365>how <00:21:00.645>the <00:21:00.925>application <00:21:01.205>works.

429
00:21:02.475 --> 00:21:05.845
<00:21:02.475>It's <00:21:02.824>it's <00:21:03.175>time <00:21:03.524>spent <00:21:03.875>learning,

430
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<00:21:06.355>it's <00:21:06.821>time <00:21:07.288>spent <00:21:07.755>empathizing.

431
00:21:08.665 --> 00:21:11.325
<00:21:08.665>DevOps <00:21:09.014>is <00:21:09.365>the <00:21:09.715>ultimate <00:21:10.065>result

432
00:21:11.505 --> 00:21:13.445
<00:21:11.505>of <00:21:11.855>empathy <00:21:12.205>within <00:21:12.555>our <00:21:12.905>industry.

433
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<00:21:14.965>And <00:21:15.198>it <00:21:15.433>doesn't <00:21:15.667>happen <00:21:15.901>for <00:21:16.135>free.

434
00:21:16.575 --> 00:21:18.345
<00:21:16.575>Nothing <00:21:16.855>good <00:21:17.135>ever <00:21:17.415>happens <00:21:17.695>for <00:21:17.975>free.

435
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<00:21:19.005>So <00:21:19.205>if <00:21:19.405>you <00:21:19.605>would <00:21:19.805>like <00:21:20.005>to <00:21:20.205>have <00:21:20.405>DevOps

436
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<00:21:22.125>and <00:21:22.405>actually <00:21:22.685>truly <00:21:22.965>re <00:21:23.245>its <00:21:23.525>benefits,

437
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<00:21:25.175>it's <00:21:25.455>an <00:21:25.735>an <00:21:26.014>organizational <00:21:26.294>mind <00:21:26.575>shift.

438
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<00:21:27.515>Again, <00:21:27.715>we're <00:21:27.915>not <00:21:28.115>there. <00:21:28.315>We're <00:21:28.515>working <00:21:28.715>towards <00:21:28.915>it.

439
00:21:30.345 --> 00:21:32.665
<00:21:30.345>Some <00:21:30.520>areas <00:21:30.695>more <00:21:30.870>than <00:21:31.045>others, <00:21:31.220>this <00:21:31.395>is <00:21:31.570>a <00:21:31.745>journey.

440
00:21:33.405 --> 00:21:37.545
<00:21:33.405>Um, <00:21:33.560>but <00:21:33.716>we <00:21:33.871>are <00:21:34.027>really <00:21:34.182>trying <00:21:34.338>to <00:21:34.493>have <00:21:34.649>service <00:21:34.805>teams

441
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<00:21:37.735>because <00:21:37.968>they <00:21:38.201>own <00:21:38.435>the <00:21:38.668>community <00:21:38.901>set <00:21:39.135>up.

442
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<00:21:40.455>They <00:21:40.629>need <00:21:40.804>to <00:21:40.980>own <00:21:41.155>a <00:21:41.330>bit <00:21:41.504>of <00:21:41.679>that <00:21:41.855>infrastructure.

443
00:21:45.055 --> 00:21:48.065
<00:21:45.055>They <00:21:45.195>need <00:21:45.335>to <00:21:45.475>understand <00:21:45.615>bits <00:21:45.755>of <00:21:45.895>it, <00:21:46.035>and <00:21:46.175>it's <00:21:46.315>a <00:21:46.455>journey.

444
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<00:21:48.125>And <00:21:48.252>that's <00:21:48.379>what <00:21:48.506>part <00:21:48.634>of <00:21:48.761>my <00:21:48.888>team <00:21:49.015>is <00:21:49.143>for, <00:21:49.270>to <00:21:49.397>help <00:21:49.525>them

445
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<00:21:50.805>to <00:21:51.085>educate, <00:21:51.365>to <00:21:51.645>explain, <00:21:51.925>to <00:21:52.205>assist,

446
00:21:54.965 --> 00:21:57.225
<00:21:54.965>and <00:21:55.245>hopefully <00:21:55.524>bring <00:21:55.804>everybody <00:21:56.084>along <00:21:56.365>so

447
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<00:21:57.225>that <00:21:57.399>we <00:21:57.574>actually <00:21:57.750>at <00:21:57.925>some <00:21:58.100>point <00:21:58.274>can <00:21:58.449>say <00:21:58.625>yes,

448
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<00:21:59.725>we <00:22:00.004>have <00:22:00.284>a <00:22:00.564>DevOps <00:22:00.844>culture <00:22:01.125>mostly.

449
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<00:22:05.445>Uh, <00:22:05.799>all <00:22:06.153>the <00:22:06.507>links.

450
00:22:07.085 --> 00:22:09.825
<00:22:07.085>So <00:22:07.318>everything <00:22:07.551>I <00:22:07.785>have <00:22:08.018>spoken <00:22:08.251>about, <00:22:08.485>all

451
00:22:09.825 --> 00:22:13.705
<00:22:09.825>of <00:22:09.980>our <00:22:10.136>code <00:22:10.291>is <00:22:10.447>public <00:22:10.602>on <00:22:10.758>GitHub <00:22:10.913>under <00:22:11.069>the <00:22:11.225>Ministry

452
00:22:13.705 --> 00:22:14.785
<00:22:13.705>of <00:22:14.191>Justice <00:22:14.677>organization.

453
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<00:22:15.255>This <00:22:15.410>is <00:22:15.566>true <00:22:15.721>of <00:22:15.877>most <00:22:16.032>of <00:22:16.188>government <00:22:16.343>by <00:22:16.499>the <00:22:16.655>way.

454
00:22:17.765 --> 00:22:21.825
<00:22:17.765>Uh, <00:22:17.920>British <00:22:18.076>government, <00:22:18.231>the <00:22:18.387>UK <00:22:18.542>government <00:22:18.698>works <00:22:18.853>in <00:22:19.009>the <00:22:19.165>open,

455
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<00:22:22.325>it <00:22:22.500>publishes <00:22:22.675>blog <00:22:22.850>posts <00:22:23.025>and <00:22:23.200>it <00:22:23.375>publishes <00:22:23.550>its <00:22:23.725>code.

456
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<00:22:25.645>Um, <00:22:25.878>if <00:22:26.111>you're <00:22:26.345>interested <00:22:26.578>in <00:22:26.811>our <00:22:27.045>strategy,

457
00:22:28.885 --> 00:22:32.865
<00:22:28.885>the <00:22:29.060>MOJ <00:22:29.235>digital <00:22:29.410>blog <00:22:29.585>has <00:22:29.760>the, <00:22:29.935>our <00:22:30.110>hosting <00:22:30.285>strategy.

458
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<00:22:33.165>And <00:22:33.305>it <00:22:33.445>also <00:22:33.585>is <00:22:33.725>earlier <00:22:33.865>this <00:22:34.004>year <00:22:34.145>we <00:22:34.284>published <00:22:34.425>our <00:22:34.565>wider

459
00:22:36.945 --> 00:22:39.505
<00:22:36.945>digital <00:22:37.225>and <00:22:37.504>technology <00:22:37.784>mission <00:22:38.064>and <00:22:38.345>strategy.

460
00:22:40.205 --> 00:22:43.345
<00:22:40.205>Or <00:22:40.405>how <00:22:40.605>are <00:22:40.804>we <00:22:41.004>the <00:22:41.205>tech <00:22:41.405>people <00:22:41.605>trying

461
00:22:43.345 --> 00:22:45.905
<00:22:43.345>to <00:22:43.520>serve <00:22:43.695>the <00:22:43.870>British <00:22:44.045>public <00:22:44.220>by <00:22:44.395>enabling <00:22:44.570>the <00:22:44.745>rest

462
00:22:45.905 --> 00:22:48.265
<00:22:45.905>of <00:22:46.080>the <00:22:46.254>Ministry <00:22:46.430>of <00:22:46.605>Justice <00:22:46.780>business <00:22:46.955>to <00:22:47.129>function <00:22:47.305>better

463
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<00:22:48.405>and <00:22:49.105>more <00:22:49.805>reliably.

464
00:22:51.685 --> 00:22:53.425
<00:22:51.685>As <00:22:51.918>in <00:22:52.151>any <00:22:52.385>modern <00:22:52.618>organization, <00:22:52.851>the <00:22:53.085>Ministry

465
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<00:22:53.425>of <00:22:53.658>Justice <00:22:53.891>has <00:22:54.125>a <00:22:54.358>Twitter <00:22:54.591>account, <00:22:54.825>um,

466
00:22:55.225 --> 00:22:57.785
<00:22:55.225>while <00:22:55.425>the <00:22:55.625>digital <00:22:55.824>technology <00:22:56.024>part <00:22:56.225>of <00:22:56.425>it <00:22:56.625>anyway,

467
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<00:22:58.255>this <00:22:58.605>is <00:22:58.955>at <00:22:59.305>Justice <00:22:59.655>Digital,

468
00:23:01.285 --> 00:23:02.945
<00:23:01.285>if <00:23:01.565>you're <00:23:01.845>interested <00:23:02.125>in <00:23:02.405>keeping <00:23:02.685>up.

469
00:23:03.365 --> 00:23:06.905
<00:23:03.365>Um, <00:23:03.520>it's <00:23:03.676>not <00:23:03.831>a <00:23:03.987>super <00:23:04.142>chatty <00:23:04.298>account, <00:23:04.453>this <00:23:04.609>is <00:23:04.765>government.

470
00:23:07.285 --> 00:23:09.185
<00:23:07.285>Uh, <00:23:07.485>but <00:23:07.685>we <00:23:07.885>do <00:23:08.085>post <00:23:08.285>on <00:23:08.485>it <00:23:08.685>regularly.

471
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<00:23:09.725>And <00:23:09.925>if, <00:23:10.125>if <00:23:10.324>you <00:23:10.524>are <00:23:10.725>in <00:23:10.925>the <00:23:11.125>UK

472
00:23:12.845 --> 00:23:14.425
<00:23:12.845>and <00:23:13.078>what <00:23:13.311>I've <00:23:13.545>said <00:23:13.778>picks <00:23:14.011>your <00:23:14.245>interest,

473
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<00:23:14.925>uh, <00:23:15.279>we're <00:23:15.633>always <00:23:15.987>hiring.

474
00:23:16.865 --> 00:23:18.385
<00:23:16.865>I <00:23:17.138>mean, <00:23:17.412>who <00:23:17.685>isn't <00:23:17.959>hiring <00:23:18.233>nowadays,

475
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<00:23:18.645>but <00:23:18.800>we're <00:23:18.956>certainly <00:23:19.111>always <00:23:19.267>hiring <00:23:19.422>for <00:23:19.578>all <00:23:19.733>sorts <00:23:19.889>of <00:23:20.045>roles.

476
00:23:21.765 --> 00:23:25.545
<00:23:21.765>So <00:23:21.892>if <00:23:22.019>any <00:23:22.146>of <00:23:22.274>this <00:23:22.401>seems <00:23:22.528>interesting, <00:23:22.655>just, <00:23:22.783>um, <00:23:22.910>check <00:23:23.037>us <00:23:23.165>out

477
00:23:25.925 --> 00:23:27.625
<00:23:25.925>and <00:23:26.158>see <00:23:26.391>whether <00:23:26.625>something <00:23:26.858>peak <00:23:27.091>your <00:23:27.325>interest.

478
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<00:23:28.715>Thank <00:23:29.615>you.

479
00:23:32.495 --> 00:23:34.545
<00:23:32.495>That <00:23:32.728>was <00:23:32.961>amazing. <00:23:33.195>Thank <00:23:33.428>you <00:23:33.661>so <00:23:33.895>much

480
00:23:34.545 --> 00:23:35.825
<00:23:34.545>for <00:23:34.775>sharing <00:23:35.005>that <00:23:35.236>with <00:23:35.466>us, <00:23:35.697>NAB.

481
00:23:36.965 --> 00:23:38.865
<00:23:36.965>No <00:23:37.431>worries. <00:23:37.898>Hopefully <00:23:38.365>there's

482
00:23:38.865 --> 00:23:39.945
<00:23:38.865>some <00:23:39.027>questions <00:23:39.189>after. <00:23:39.351>So <00:23:39.513>we <00:23:39.675>have <00:23:39.837>some

483
00:23:40.025 --> 00:23:41.025
<00:23:40.025>Questions. <00:23:40.475>Yeah, <00:23:40.925>we've

484
00:23:41.025 --> 00:23:42.105
<00:23:41.025>got, <00:23:41.268>we <00:23:41.511>got <00:23:41.754>some <00:23:41.997>questions

485
00:23:42.245 --> 00:23:45.025
<00:23:42.245>and <00:23:42.400>I, <00:23:42.556>I <00:23:42.711>have <00:23:42.867>to, <00:23:43.022>if <00:23:43.178>anything <00:23:43.333>part <00:23:43.489>my <00:23:43.645>selfishness

486
00:23:45.085 --> 00:23:47.245
<00:23:45.085>because <00:23:45.260>I <00:23:45.435>wanna <00:23:45.610>ask <00:23:45.785>you <00:23:45.960>a <00:23:46.135>mountain <00:23:46.310>of <00:23:46.485>questions.

487
00:23:47.625 --> 00:23:49.765
<00:23:47.625>Uh, <00:23:47.858>but <00:23:48.091>our <00:23:48.325>current <00:23:48.558>kind <00:23:48.791>audience <00:23:49.025>has,

488
00:23:49.785 --> 00:23:51.125
<00:23:49.785>uh, <00:23:50.187>have <00:23:50.589>submitted <00:23:50.991>some.

489
00:23:51.265 --> 00:23:54.925
<00:23:51.265>So <00:23:51.420>do <00:23:51.576>you <00:23:51.731>think <00:23:51.887>DevOps <00:23:52.042>is <00:23:52.198>only <00:23:52.353>relevant <00:23:52.509>for <00:23:52.665>devs

490
00:23:54.925 --> 00:23:57.125
<00:23:54.925>and <00:23:55.125>prod, <00:23:55.325>uh, <00:23:55.524>as <00:23:55.725>in <00:23:55.925>devs <00:23:56.125>and <00:23:56.325>product?

491
00:23:57.705 --> 00:23:59.885
<00:23:57.705>Can <00:23:57.860>you <00:23:58.016>imagine <00:23:58.171>DevOps <00:23:58.327>in <00:23:58.482>other <00:23:58.638>areas <00:23:58.793>of <00:23:58.949>a <00:23:59.105>company?

492
00:24:01.925 --> 00:24:06.735
<00:24:01.925>Um, <00:24:02.065>so, <00:24:02.205>hmm. <00:24:02.345>Let <00:24:02.485>me <00:24:02.625>see <00:24:02.764>if <00:24:02.905>I <00:24:03.044>understand <00:24:03.185>this <00:24:03.325>correctly.

493
00:24:07.235 --> 00:24:10.415
<00:24:07.235>Uh, <00:24:07.514>DevOps <00:24:07.794>is <00:24:08.074>relevant <00:24:08.354>to <00:24:08.635>everybody.

494
00:24:10.955 --> 00:24:15.135
<00:24:10.955>Um, <00:24:11.155>we <00:24:11.355>actually <00:24:11.554>have <00:24:11.754>some <00:24:11.955>really, <00:24:12.155>uh, <00:24:12.355>curiously,

495
00:24:15.485 --> 00:24:17.255
<00:24:15.485>curiously <00:24:15.951>and <00:24:16.418>interested <00:24:16.885>in

496
00:24:17.255 --> 00:24:18.575
<00:24:17.255>leaders <00:24:17.492>within <00:24:17.730>the <00:24:17.967>Ministry <00:24:18.205>of <00:24:18.443>Justice.

497
00:24:18.595 --> 00:24:21.535
<00:24:18.595>And <00:24:18.770>I'm <00:24:18.945>talking <00:24:19.120>people <00:24:19.295>at <00:24:19.470>C-level, <00:24:19.645>CEOs <00:24:19.820>and <00:24:19.995>CTOs,

498
00:24:22.075 --> 00:24:25.215
<00:24:22.075>and <00:24:22.202>they <00:24:22.329>would <00:24:22.456>love <00:24:22.584>to <00:24:22.711>get <00:24:22.838>their <00:24:22.965>hands <00:24:23.093>on <00:24:23.220>doing <00:24:23.347>some <00:24:23.475>DevOps.

499
00:24:26.555 --> 00:24:29.575
<00:24:26.555>Not <00:24:26.710>yet. <00:24:26.866>We <00:24:27.021>haven't <00:24:27.177>quite <00:24:27.332>figured <00:24:27.488>out <00:24:27.643>what <00:24:27.799>they <00:24:27.955>can,

500
00:24:29.765 --> 00:24:30.895
<00:24:29.765>what <00:24:29.934>we <00:24:30.104>could <00:24:30.273>get <00:24:30.443>them <00:24:30.612>to <00:24:30.782>do.

501
00:24:31.315 --> 00:24:35.745
<00:24:31.315>Um, <00:24:31.515>I <00:24:31.715>think <00:24:31.915>as <00:24:32.115>much <00:24:32.315>as <00:24:32.515>other <00:24:32.715>professions

502
00:24:35.745 --> 00:24:40.185
<00:24:35.745>that <00:24:35.919>are <00:24:36.094>not <00:24:36.270>technical <00:24:36.445>can, <00:24:36.620>uh, <00:24:36.794>get <00:24:36.969>a <00:24:37.145>grasp

503
00:24:40.525 --> 00:24:42.185
<00:24:40.525>of <00:24:40.991>what <00:24:41.458>infrastructure <00:24:41.925>is

504
00:24:42.185 --> 00:24:44.665
<00:24:42.185>and <00:24:42.385>why <00:24:42.585>it <00:24:42.784>is <00:24:42.985>important, <00:24:43.185>then <00:24:43.385>the <00:24:43.585>better.

505
00:24:45.335 --> 00:24:46.905
<00:24:45.335>This <00:24:45.535>is <00:24:45.735>something <00:24:45.935>that <00:24:46.135>we're <00:24:46.335>trying <00:24:46.535>to <00:24:46.735>do.

506
00:24:46.905 --> 00:24:48.905
<00:24:46.905>We, <00:24:47.185>uh, <00:24:47.465>trying <00:24:47.745>to <00:24:48.024>educate <00:24:48.305>people

507
00:24:49.045 --> 00:24:51.865
<00:24:49.045>who <00:24:49.220>don't <00:24:49.395>really <00:24:49.570>think <00:24:49.745>about <00:24:49.920>computers <00:24:50.095>except <00:24:50.270>they <00:24:50.445>press

508
00:24:51.865 --> 00:24:53.505
<00:24:51.865>beyond <00:24:52.098>button <00:24:52.331>and <00:24:52.565>the <00:24:52.798>computer <00:24:53.031>comes <00:24:53.265>on

509
00:24:54.595 --> 00:24:56.585
<00:24:54.595>about <00:24:54.770>why <00:24:54.945>it's <00:24:55.120>important <00:24:55.295>to <00:24:55.470>invest <00:24:55.645>in <00:24:55.820>these <00:24:55.995>things.

510
00:24:56.585 --> 00:24:59.385
<00:24:56.585>Because <00:24:56.760>let's <00:24:56.935>be <00:24:57.110>honest, <00:24:57.285>this <00:24:57.460>is <00:24:57.635>not <00:24:57.810>cheap. <00:24:57.985>No.

511
00:24:59.735 --> 00:25:01.865
<00:24:59.735>Like, <00:25:00.014>there's <00:25:00.294>nothing, <00:25:00.574>nothing <00:25:00.854>cheap <00:25:01.135>about

512
00:25:01.975 --> 00:25:03.025
<00:25:01.975>what <00:25:02.211>I <00:25:02.447>just <00:25:02.683>spoke <00:25:02.920>about.

513
00:25:04.125 --> 00:25:07.065
<00:25:04.125>Um, <00:25:04.300>no. <00:25:04.475>And <00:25:04.650>we <00:25:04.825>are, <00:25:05.000>we <00:25:05.175>are <00:25:05.350>always <00:25:05.525>trying

514
00:25:07.065 --> 00:25:08.185
<00:25:07.065>to <00:25:07.317>save <00:25:07.569>money <00:25:07.821>because, <00:25:08.072>um,

515
00:25:08.185 --> 00:25:11.785
<00:25:08.185>So <00:25:08.360>next <00:25:08.534>question <00:25:08.710>is <00:25:08.885>what, <00:25:09.060>oh, <00:25:09.235>sorry, <00:25:09.409>carry <00:25:09.585>on.

516
00:25:12.685 --> 00:25:14.105
<00:25:12.685>No, <00:25:12.844>no, <00:25:13.004>no. <00:25:13.164>Go <00:25:13.324>ahead. <00:25:13.483>What's <00:25:13.643>the <00:25:13.803>next <00:25:13.963>question?

517
00:25:14.505 --> 00:25:16.145
<00:25:14.505>Excellent. <00:25:14.785>Cool. <00:25:15.065>So, <00:25:15.345>uh, <00:25:15.625>next <00:25:15.905>question.

518
00:25:16.295 --> 00:25:19.425
<00:25:16.295>What <00:25:16.450>was <00:25:16.606>your <00:25:16.761>biggest <00:25:16.917>surprise <00:25:17.072>when <00:25:17.228>you <00:25:17.383>started <00:25:17.539>working <00:25:17.695>on

519
00:25:19.525 --> 00:25:21.065
<00:25:19.525>DevOps <00:25:19.871>in <00:25:20.218>the <00:25:20.564>justice <00:25:20.911>system,

520
00:25:21.205 --> 00:25:23.065
<00:25:21.205>and <00:25:21.485>what <00:25:21.764>was <00:25:22.044>your <00:25:22.324>expectation <00:25:22.605>before?

521
00:25:25.345 --> 00:25:27.245
<00:25:25.345>Oh, <00:25:25.500>this <00:25:25.656>is, <00:25:25.811>uh, <00:25:25.967>this <00:25:26.122>is <00:25:26.278>such <00:25:26.433>a <00:25:26.589>good <00:25:26.745>question.

522
00:25:27.685 --> 00:25:31.445
<00:25:27.685>I, <00:25:27.812>so <00:25:27.939>I <00:25:28.066>worked <00:25:28.194>as <00:25:28.321>a <00:25:28.448>developer <00:25:28.575>in <00:25:28.703>the <00:25:28.830>Ministry <00:25:28.957>of <00:25:29.085>Justice

523
00:25:31.545 --> 00:25:34.245
<00:25:31.545>before <00:25:31.745>I <00:25:31.945>became <00:25:32.145>a <00:25:32.345>technical <00:25:32.545>arc <00:25:32.745>architecting <00:25:32.945>hosting.

524
00:25:34.985 --> 00:25:38.725
<00:25:34.985>But <00:25:35.159>I <00:25:35.334>didn't, <00:25:35.510>hadn't <00:25:35.685>really <00:25:35.860>thought <00:25:36.034>about <00:25:36.209>it <00:25:36.385>much.

525
00:25:39.555 --> 00:25:42.565
<00:25:39.555>What <00:25:39.755>I <00:25:39.955>haven't <00:25:40.155>expected, <00:25:40.355>particularly <00:25:40.555>within <00:25:40.755>the <00:25:40.955>Ministry

526
00:25:42.565 --> 00:25:46.085
<00:25:42.565>of <00:25:42.765>Justice <00:25:42.965>is <00:25:43.165>this, <00:25:43.365>this <00:25:43.565>culture <00:25:43.765>of <00:25:43.965>caring

527
00:25:46.545 --> 00:25:47.845
<00:25:46.545>for <00:25:47.130>old <00:25:47.715>things.

528
00:25:48.785 --> 00:25:51.765
<00:25:48.785>Um, <00:25:49.018>this <00:25:49.251>empathy <00:25:49.485>and <00:25:49.718>understanding <00:25:49.951>that <00:25:50.185>just

529
00:25:51.765 --> 00:25:53.165
<00:25:51.765>because <00:25:52.017>it's <00:25:52.269>old <00:25:52.521>doesn't <00:25:52.773>means <00:25:53.025>bad,

530
00:25:53.825 --> 00:25:56.565
<00:25:53.825>and <00:25:53.952>it <00:25:54.079>just <00:25:54.206>means <00:25:54.334>that <00:25:54.461>we <00:25:54.588>need <00:25:54.715>to <00:25:54.843>care <00:25:54.970>for <00:25:55.097>it <00:25:55.225>more.

531
00:25:56.925 --> 00:25:59.845
<00:25:56.925>I <00:25:57.100>found <00:25:57.274>it <00:25:57.450>a <00:25:57.625>very, <00:25:57.800>just <00:25:57.975>a <00:25:58.149>very <00:25:58.325>empathetic,

532
00:25:59.845 --> 00:26:03.645
<00:25:59.845>very <00:26:00.020>heartwarming, <00:26:00.195>uh, <00:26:00.370>attitude <00:26:00.545>to <00:26:00.720>have <00:26:00.895>towards <00:26:01.070>things <00:26:01.245>that

533
00:26:04.265 --> 00:26:06.325
<00:26:04.265>my <00:26:04.420>initial <00:26:04.576>gut <00:26:04.731>reaction <00:26:04.887>was <00:26:05.042>like, <00:26:05.198>what <00:26:05.353>is <00:26:05.509>this <00:26:05.665>thing?

534
00:26:06.325 --> 00:26:07.645
<00:26:06.325>Why <00:26:06.473>do <00:26:06.622>we <00:26:06.770>have <00:26:06.919>it? <00:26:07.067>Can <00:26:07.216>we <00:26:07.364>cure <00:26:07.513>it?

535
00:26:07.985 --> 00:26:12.845
<00:26:07.985>Um, <00:26:08.125>but <00:26:08.264>that <00:26:08.405>is, <00:26:08.544>uh, <00:26:08.685>it's <00:26:08.824>a <00:26:08.965>much <00:26:09.104>more <00:26:09.245>mature <00:26:09.385>understanding

536
00:26:13.065 --> 00:26:16.525
<00:26:13.065>of <00:26:13.345>big <00:26:13.625>state, <00:26:13.905>especially <00:26:14.185>within <00:26:14.465>government.

537
00:26:16.585 --> 00:26:19.325
<00:26:16.585>And <00:26:16.725>I <00:26:16.865>feel <00:26:17.005>really <00:26:17.145>lucky <00:26:17.285>to <00:26:17.425>have <00:26:17.565>been <00:26:17.705>exposed <00:26:17.845>to <00:26:17.985>it

538
00:26:19.325 --> 00:26:21.405
<00:26:19.325>and <00:26:19.500>to <00:26:19.675>have <00:26:19.850>been <00:26:20.025>taught <00:26:20.200>why <00:26:20.375>so <00:26:20.550>much <00:26:20.725>better.

539
00:26:22.355 --> 00:26:27.125
<00:26:22.355>Awesome. <00:26:22.530>Um, <00:26:22.705>did <00:26:22.880>you <00:26:23.055>encounter <00:26:23.230>things <00:26:23.405>that <00:26:23.580>you <00:26:23.755>wanted

540
00:26:27.185 --> 00:26:29.725
<00:26:27.185>to <00:26:27.340>implement <00:26:27.496>but <00:26:27.651>haven't <00:26:27.807>been <00:26:27.962>allowed <00:26:28.118>to <00:26:28.273>because <00:26:28.429>it's <00:26:28.585>public

541
00:26:29.825 --> 00:26:31.845
<00:26:29.825>and <00:26:30.058>your <00:26:30.291>part <00:26:30.525>of <00:26:30.758>the <00:26:30.991>Justice <00:26:31.225>Department?

542
00:26:32.515 --> 00:26:35.405
<00:26:32.515>Some <00:26:32.670>of <00:26:32.826>the <00:26:32.981>challenges <00:26:33.137>on <00:26:33.292>top <00:26:33.448>of <00:26:33.603>that, <00:26:33.759>usual <00:26:33.915>organizations

543
00:26:35.465 --> 00:26:36.965
<00:26:35.465>and <00:26:35.915>companies <00:26:36.365>don't <00:26:36.814>have?

544
00:26:38.745 --> 00:26:42.965
<00:26:38.745>Um, <00:26:38.919>I <00:26:39.094>don't <00:26:39.270>think <00:26:39.445>so. <00:26:39.620>I <00:26:39.794>don't <00:26:39.969>think <00:26:40.145>so.

545
00:26:43.045 --> 00:26:46.125
<00:26:43.045>I <00:26:43.278>haven't, <00:26:43.511>we <00:26:43.745>don't <00:26:43.978>really <00:26:44.211>have <00:26:44.445>much,

546
00:26:46.125 --> 00:26:48.325
<00:26:46.125>many <00:26:46.405>challenges <00:26:46.685>sometimes <00:26:46.965>because <00:26:47.245>it's <00:26:47.525>government.

547
00:26:48.475 --> 00:26:51.445
<00:26:48.475>Some, <00:26:48.649>some <00:26:48.824>data <00:26:49.000>can't <00:26:49.175>go <00:26:49.350>on <00:26:49.524>the <00:26:49.699>public <00:26:49.875>cloud,

548
00:26:51.585 --> 00:26:53.925
<00:26:51.585>but <00:26:51.865>that's <00:26:52.145>totally <00:26:52.425>to <00:26:52.705>be <00:26:52.985>expected.

549
00:26:54.135 --> 00:26:56.965
<00:26:54.135>Other <00:26:54.368>than <00:26:54.601>that, <00:26:54.835>anything <00:26:55.068>we've, <00:26:55.301>anything <00:26:55.535>I,

550
00:26:57.125 --> 00:27:01.005
<00:26:57.125>I <00:26:57.252>think <00:26:57.379>any <00:26:57.506>team <00:26:57.634>has <00:26:57.761>ever <00:26:57.888>wanted <00:26:58.015>to <00:26:58.143>try, <00:26:58.270>we <00:26:58.397>have, <00:26:58.525>uh,

551
00:27:01.315 --> 00:27:04.565
<00:27:01.315>like <00:27:01.455>they <00:27:01.595>can <00:27:01.735>get <00:27:01.875>an <00:27:02.015>access <00:27:02.155>to <00:27:02.295>the <00:27:02.435>AWS, <00:27:02.575>uh, <00:27:02.715>account

552
00:27:04.825 --> 00:27:07.365
<00:27:04.825>and <00:27:05.000>they <00:27:05.175>to <00:27:05.350>a <00:27:05.525>AWS <00:27:05.700>account, <00:27:05.875>not <00:27:06.050>the <00:27:06.225>account.

553
00:27:07.905 --> 00:27:12.165
<00:27:07.905>And, <00:27:08.045>um, <00:27:08.185>they <00:27:08.325>can <00:27:08.465>have <00:27:08.605>a <00:27:08.745>go, <00:27:08.885>uh, <00:27:09.024>within <00:27:09.165>the <00:27:09.305>government.

554
00:27:12.265 --> 00:27:14.365
<00:27:12.265>We <00:27:12.498>have <00:27:12.731>the <00:27:12.965>service <00:27:13.198>standard, <00:27:13.431>which <00:27:13.665>means

555
00:27:14.365 --> 00:27:16.805
<00:27:14.365>that <00:27:14.505>every <00:27:14.645>public <00:27:14.785>facing <00:27:14.925>service <00:27:15.065>has <00:27:15.205>to <00:27:15.345>go <00:27:15.485>through <00:27:15.625>a <00:27:15.765>series

556
00:27:16.805 --> 00:27:19.965
<00:27:16.805>of <00:27:17.038>assessments <00:27:17.271>before <00:27:17.505>that <00:27:17.738>is <00:27:17.971>within <00:27:18.205>government,

557
00:27:20.065 --> 00:27:21.445
<00:27:20.065>or <00:27:20.375>not <00:27:20.686>within <00:27:20.996>just <00:27:21.307>MOJ.

558
00:27:21.985 --> 00:27:24.805
<00:27:21.985>So <00:27:22.218>usually <00:27:22.451>if <00:27:22.685>there's <00:27:22.918>something <00:27:23.151>super <00:27:23.385>experimental,

559
00:27:24.805 --> 00:27:25.805
<00:27:24.805>which <00:27:25.030>will <00:27:25.255>get <00:27:25.480>picked <00:27:25.705>up

560
00:27:25.805 --> 00:27:27.525
<00:27:25.805>and <00:27:26.005>teams <00:27:26.205>will <00:27:26.405>have <00:27:26.605>to <00:27:26.805>defend <00:27:27.005>their <00:27:27.205>choice,

561
00:27:28.225 --> 00:27:29.565
<00:27:28.225>but <00:27:28.397>that <00:27:28.569>is <00:27:28.741>up <00:27:28.914>to <00:27:29.086>the <00:27:29.258>service <00:27:29.431>teams.

562
00:27:29.865 --> 00:27:33.565
<00:27:29.865>Um, <00:27:30.005>so <00:27:30.145>I <00:27:30.285>don't <00:27:30.425>essentially <00:27:30.565>if <00:27:30.705>it's <00:27:30.845>allowed <00:27:30.985>on <00:27:31.125>the <00:27:31.265>public

563
00:27:33.565 --> 00:27:34.925
<00:27:33.565>cloud <00:27:33.769>and <00:27:33.973>if <00:27:34.177>it <00:27:34.381>exists, <00:27:34.585>we <00:27:34.789>haven't.

564
00:27:35.005 --> 00:27:37.405
<00:27:35.005>I <00:27:35.180>think <00:27:35.355>some <00:27:35.530>people <00:27:35.705>are <00:27:35.880>playing <00:27:36.055>with <00:27:36.230>AWS <00:27:36.405>comprehend

565
00:27:37.405 --> 00:27:40.285
<00:27:37.405>something <00:27:37.605>about <00:27:37.805>image <00:27:38.004>recognition <00:27:38.205>on <00:27:38.405>AWS <00:27:38.605>as <00:27:38.805>well.

566
00:27:41.105 --> 00:27:43.685
<00:27:41.105>Um, <00:27:41.385>we're <00:27:41.665>very <00:27:41.945>encouraged <00:27:42.225>to <00:27:42.505>experiment.

567
00:27:46.145 --> 00:27:47.555
<00:27:46.145>Okay. <00:27:46.462>That's <00:27:46.779>interesting <00:27:47.096>to <00:27:47.414>hear.

568
00:27:48.095 --> 00:27:49.915
<00:27:48.095>Um, <00:27:48.295>this <00:27:48.495>is <00:27:48.695>a <00:27:48.895>really <00:27:49.095>great <00:27:49.295>question <00:27:49.495>here.

569
00:27:50.375 --> 00:27:52.595
<00:27:50.375>What's <00:27:50.575>your <00:27:50.775>suggestion <00:27:50.975>for <00:27:51.175>young <00:27:51.375>women <00:27:51.575>who <00:27:51.775>want

570
00:27:52.595 --> 00:27:54.235
<00:27:52.595>to <00:27:52.770>make <00:27:52.945>a <00:27:53.120>career <00:27:53.295>in <00:27:53.470>tech <00:27:53.645>like <00:27:53.820>you <00:27:53.995>did?

571
00:27:55.495 --> 00:27:58.315
<00:27:55.495>Oh <00:27:55.774>gosh. <00:27:56.054>That <00:27:56.334>is <00:27:56.614>a <00:27:56.895>deep,

572
00:27:58.785 --> 00:28:00.395
<00:27:58.785>that <00:27:59.065>is <00:27:59.345>a <00:27:59.625>deep <00:27:59.905>philosophical <00:28:00.185>question,

573
00:28:01.255 --> 00:28:04.395
<00:28:01.255>and <00:28:01.382>I <00:28:01.509>might <00:28:01.636>have <00:28:01.764>to <00:28:01.891>apologize <00:28:02.018>for <00:28:02.145>the <00:28:02.273>first <00:28:02.400>thing <00:28:02.527>that <00:28:02.655>came

574
00:28:04.395 --> 00:28:06.435
<00:28:04.395>to <00:28:04.535>mind, <00:28:04.675>but <00:28:04.815>I <00:28:04.955>was <00:28:05.095>gonna <00:28:05.235>say, <00:28:05.375>find <00:28:05.514>the <00:28:05.655>right <00:28:05.795>man.

575
00:28:06.615 --> 00:28:10.235
<00:28:06.615>Uh, <00:28:06.815>that's, <00:28:07.015>uh, <00:28:07.215>that's <00:28:07.415>probably <00:28:07.615>the <00:28:07.815>wrong <00:28:08.015>thing.

576
00:28:10.335 --> 00:28:14.595
<00:28:10.335>No, <00:28:10.451>but, <00:28:10.568>um, <00:28:10.685>as <00:28:10.801>a <00:28:10.918>young <00:28:11.035>woman, <00:28:11.151>you <00:28:11.268>can, <00:28:11.385>you <00:28:11.501>can <00:28:11.618>often <00:28:11.735>be,

577
00:28:15.335 --> 00:28:17.395
<00:28:15.335>and <00:28:15.490>not <00:28:15.646>just <00:28:15.801>as <00:28:15.957>a <00:28:16.112>young <00:28:16.268>woman, <00:28:16.423>as <00:28:16.579>a <00:28:16.735>woman,

578
00:28:17.855 --> 00:28:20.915
<00:28:17.855>you <00:28:18.010>can <00:28:18.166>often <00:28:18.321>be <00:28:18.477>the <00:28:18.632>only <00:28:18.788>woman <00:28:18.943>in <00:28:19.099>the <00:28:19.255>space

579
00:28:21.055 --> 00:28:22.115
<00:28:21.055>or <00:28:21.373>the <00:28:21.691>only <00:28:22.009>person

580
00:28:22.215 --> 00:28:24.115
<00:28:22.215>who <00:28:22.448>looks <00:28:22.681>slightly <00:28:22.915>different <00:28:23.148>from <00:28:23.381>everybody <00:28:23.615>else,

581
00:28:24.345 --> 00:28:26.155
<00:28:24.345>even <00:28:24.545>if <00:28:24.745>it's <00:28:24.945>just <00:28:25.145>because <00:28:25.345>you're <00:28:25.545>wearing <00:28:25.745>lipstick.

582
00:28:26.815 --> 00:28:31.635
<00:28:26.815>And <00:28:27.048>that's <00:28:27.281>when <00:28:27.515>allies <00:28:27.748>are <00:28:27.981>so <00:28:28.215>important.

583
00:28:31.795 --> 00:28:33.595
<00:28:31.795>I <00:28:31.970>have <00:28:32.145>often <00:28:32.320>been <00:28:32.495>the <00:28:32.670>only <00:28:32.845>woman, <00:28:33.020>the <00:28:33.195>Minister

584
00:28:33.595 --> 00:28:36.315
<00:28:33.595>of <00:28:33.750>Justice <00:28:33.906>is <00:28:34.061>the <00:28:34.217>most <00:28:34.372>diverse <00:28:34.528>technical <00:28:34.683>organization <00:28:34.839>I <00:28:34.995>have

585
00:28:36.315 --> 00:28:37.435
<00:28:36.315>ever <00:28:36.516>worked <00:28:36.718>in, <00:28:36.919>in <00:28:37.121>my <00:28:37.322>life.

586
00:28:38.175 --> 00:28:40.955
<00:28:38.175>Um, <00:28:38.330>so <00:28:38.486>this <00:28:38.641>is <00:28:38.797>the <00:28:38.952>first <00:28:39.108>time <00:28:39.263>I <00:28:39.419>have <00:28:39.575>had

587
00:28:40.955 --> 00:28:42.555
<00:28:40.955>colleagues <00:28:41.421>who <00:28:41.888>are <00:28:42.355>women.

588
00:28:43.175 --> 00:28:45.835
<00:28:43.175>Um, <00:28:43.375>but <00:28:43.575>beforehand <00:28:43.774>I <00:28:43.975>have <00:28:44.175>had <00:28:44.375>amazing <00:28:44.575>colleagues

589
00:28:45.895 --> 00:28:50.435
<00:28:45.895>who <00:28:46.050>were <00:28:46.206>men, <00:28:46.361>and <00:28:46.517>if <00:28:46.672>they <00:28:46.828>always <00:28:46.983>supported <00:28:47.139>my <00:28:47.295>growth,

590
00:28:50.935 --> 00:28:54.395
<00:28:50.935>and <00:28:51.110>they <00:28:51.284>always <00:28:51.460>supported <00:28:51.635>me <00:28:51.810>in <00:28:51.985>trying <00:28:52.159>new <00:28:52.335>things,

591
00:28:55.035 --> 00:28:58.195
<00:28:55.035>speaking <00:28:55.235>at <00:28:55.435>events, <00:28:55.635>pushed <00:28:55.835>me <00:28:56.035>to <00:28:56.235>do <00:28:56.435>things

592
00:28:58.195 --> 00:29:00.475
<00:28:58.195>that <00:28:58.428>seemed <00:28:58.661>harder, <00:28:58.895>encouraged <00:28:59.128>me <00:28:59.361>to <00:28:59.595>try.

593
00:29:00.855 --> 00:29:04.555
<00:29:00.855>So <00:29:00.982>I <00:29:01.109>think <00:29:01.236>it's <00:29:01.364>always <00:29:01.491>about <00:29:01.618>the <00:29:01.745>people <00:29:01.873>you <00:29:02.000>have <00:29:02.127>around <00:29:02.255>you

594
00:29:04.815 --> 00:29:06.675
<00:29:04.815>and <00:29:05.095>the <00:29:05.375>organizations <00:29:05.655>you <00:29:05.935>work <00:29:06.215>for.

595
00:29:06.775 --> 00:29:09.515
<00:29:06.775>So <00:29:06.975>if <00:29:07.175>there's <00:29:07.375>an <00:29:07.575>organization <00:29:07.775>that <00:29:07.975>looks <00:29:08.175>exciting

596
00:29:10.015 --> 00:29:12.915
<00:29:10.015>and <00:29:10.170>that <00:29:10.326>sounds <00:29:10.481>like <00:29:10.637>it <00:29:10.792>is <00:29:10.948>going <00:29:11.103>to <00:29:11.259>nourish <00:29:11.415>you

597
00:29:12.975 --> 00:29:16.115
<00:29:12.975>and <00:29:13.130>go <00:29:13.286>make <00:29:13.441>help <00:29:13.597>you <00:29:13.752>grow, <00:29:13.908>I <00:29:14.063>would <00:29:14.219>say <00:29:14.375>go

598
00:29:16.135 --> 00:29:17.835
<00:29:16.135>for <00:29:16.368>it <00:29:16.601>and <00:29:16.835>make <00:29:17.068>use <00:29:17.301>of <00:29:17.535>it.

599
00:29:18.495 --> 00:29:20.035
<00:29:18.495>Uh, <00:29:18.772>it <00:29:19.049>is <00:29:19.326>not <00:29:19.603>as <00:29:19.881>scary.

600
00:29:21.255 --> 00:29:22.795
<00:29:21.255>It, <00:29:21.453>it's <00:29:21.651>not, <00:29:21.849>it's <00:29:22.047>not <00:29:22.245>scary <00:29:22.443>at <00:29:22.641>all,

601
00:29:23.375 --> 00:29:26.355
<00:29:23.375>but <00:29:23.502>it <00:29:23.629>really <00:29:23.756>helps <00:29:23.884>if <00:29:24.011>you <00:29:24.138>have <00:29:24.265>allies <00:29:24.393>looking <00:29:24.520>out <00:29:24.647>for <00:29:24.775>you.

602
00:29:27.255 --> 00:29:28.955
<00:29:27.255>That's <00:29:27.605>awesome. <00:29:27.955>That's <00:29:28.305>really <00:29:28.655>awesome.

603
00:29:29.455 --> 00:29:31.235
<00:29:29.455>Uh, <00:29:29.921>when <00:29:30.388>governments <00:29:30.855>change,

604
00:29:31.465 --> 00:29:34.115
<00:29:31.465>does <00:29:31.745>this <00:29:32.024>have <00:29:32.304>implications <00:29:32.584>on <00:29:32.865>engineering

605
00:29:34.135 --> 00:29:36.635
<00:29:34.135>and <00:29:34.290>projects <00:29:34.446>on <00:29:34.601>the <00:29:34.757>mini <00:29:34.912>in <00:29:35.068>the <00:29:35.223>Ministry <00:29:35.379>of <00:29:35.535>Justice?

606
00:29:39.315 --> 00:29:43.445
<00:29:39.315>Y <00:29:39.470>uh, <00:29:39.626>so, <00:29:39.781>um, <00:29:39.937>some, <00:29:40.092>some <00:29:40.248>for <00:29:40.403>some <00:29:40.559>things, <00:29:40.715>yes.

607
00:29:43.465 --> 00:29:44.525
<00:29:43.465>And <00:29:43.703>for <00:29:43.942>other <00:29:44.180>things, <00:29:44.419>no.

608
00:29:45.105 --> 00:29:47.685
<00:29:45.105>Um, <00:29:45.260>if <00:29:45.416>you <00:29:45.571>look <00:29:45.727>at <00:29:45.882>our <00:29:46.038>digital <00:29:46.193>and <00:29:46.349>technology <00:29:46.505>strategy

609
00:29:47.785 --> 00:29:48.965
<00:29:47.785>and <00:29:48.139>our <00:29:48.493>host <00:29:48.847>specifically,

610
00:29:48.965 --> 00:29:51.565
<00:29:48.965>our <00:29:49.198>hosting <00:29:49.431>strategy <00:29:49.665>dates <00:29:49.898>back <00:29:50.131>from <00:29:50.365>2018,

611
00:29:51.985 --> 00:29:54.685
<00:29:51.985>so <00:29:52.112>it's <00:29:52.239>three <00:29:52.366>years <00:29:52.494>old <00:29:52.621>and <00:29:52.748>it <00:29:52.875>hasn't <00:29:53.003>really <00:29:53.130>had <00:29:53.257>to <00:29:53.385>change.

612
00:29:55.785 --> 00:29:57.685
<00:29:55.785>Um, <00:29:56.251>when <00:29:56.718>governments <00:29:57.185>change,

613
00:29:57.835 --> 00:29:59.965
<00:29:57.835>they <00:29:58.115>certainly <00:29:58.395>set <00:29:58.675>high <00:29:58.955>level <00:29:59.235>goals,

614
00:30:00.705 --> 00:30:03.725
<00:30:00.705>but <00:30:00.845>one <00:30:00.985>of <00:30:01.125>the <00:30:01.264>main <00:30:01.405>high <00:30:01.544>level <00:30:01.685>goals <00:30:01.824>of, <00:30:01.965>regardless <00:30:02.105>of

615
00:30:03.725 --> 00:30:06.085
<00:30:03.725>who <00:30:03.880>is <00:30:04.036>in <00:30:04.191>power, <00:30:04.347>is <00:30:04.502>things <00:30:04.658>need <00:30:04.813>to <00:30:04.969>keep <00:30:05.125>going.

616
00:30:07.145 --> 00:30:09.205
<00:30:07.145>And <00:30:07.378>that's <00:30:07.611>generally <00:30:07.845>where <00:30:08.078>infrastructure <00:30:08.311>and <00:30:08.545>hosting

617
00:30:09.745 --> 00:30:11.365
<00:30:09.745>and <00:30:10.024>even <00:30:10.304>software <00:30:10.584>development <00:30:10.864>come <00:30:11.145>in.

618
00:30:11.785 --> 00:30:14.725
<00:30:11.785>Um, <00:30:11.985>so <00:30:12.185>it's, <00:30:12.385>it's <00:30:12.585>potentially <00:30:12.785>sometimes <00:30:12.985>more <00:30:13.185>relevant

619
00:30:14.725 --> 00:30:17.805
<00:30:14.725>to <00:30:14.880>service <00:30:15.036>teams <00:30:15.191>because <00:30:15.347>there <00:30:15.502>may <00:30:15.658>be <00:30:15.813>a <00:30:15.969>specific <00:30:16.125>service

620
00:30:17.955 --> 00:30:20.445
<00:30:17.955>area <00:30:18.155>that <00:30:18.355>the <00:30:18.554>government <00:30:18.754>ministry <00:30:18.955>is <00:30:19.155>interested <00:30:19.355>in

621
00:30:21.105 --> 00:30:24.965
<00:30:21.105>and <00:30:21.280>they <00:30:21.455>want <00:30:21.630>to <00:30:21.805>invest <00:30:21.980>more <00:30:22.155>time <00:30:22.330>into <00:30:22.505>improving.

622
00:30:25.585 --> 00:30:26.605
<00:30:25.585>Um, <00:30:25.814>but <00:30:26.044>when <00:30:26.273>it <00:30:26.503>comes

623
00:30:26.605 --> 00:30:28.445
<00:30:26.605>to <00:30:26.955>the <00:30:27.305>actual <00:30:27.655>underlying <00:30:28.005>infrastructure,

624
00:30:28.585 --> 00:30:29.685
<00:30:28.585>things <00:30:28.832>need <00:30:29.080>to <00:30:29.327>keep <00:30:29.575>going.

625
00:30:29.685 --> 00:30:31.725
<00:30:29.685>Things <00:30:29.885>need <00:30:30.085>to <00:30:30.284>keep <00:30:30.485>running. <00:30:30.685>So <00:30:30.885>it's, <00:30:31.085>there's,

626
00:30:31.925 --> 00:30:33.285
<00:30:31.925>I <00:30:32.231>can't <00:30:32.537>think <00:30:32.843>one <00:30:33.149>example

627
00:30:33.315 --> 00:30:35.965
<00:30:33.315>that <00:30:33.515>the <00:30:33.715>government <00:30:33.915>change <00:30:34.115>has <00:30:34.315>affected <00:30:34.515>this <00:30:34.715>part

628
00:30:35.965 --> 00:30:37.565
<00:30:35.965>of <00:30:36.665>the <00:30:37.365>technology.

629
00:30:38.905 --> 00:30:42.085
<00:30:38.905>No, <00:30:39.080>that, <00:30:39.254>that <00:30:39.430>sounds <00:30:39.605>like <00:30:39.780>promising, <00:30:39.955>which <00:30:40.129>is <00:30:40.305>good.

630
00:30:42.685 --> 00:30:45.885
<00:30:42.685>Um, <00:30:42.918>how <00:30:43.151>did <00:30:43.385>COVID <00:30:43.618>impact <00:30:43.851>your <00:30:44.085>work?

631
00:30:47.745 --> 00:30:51.205
<00:30:47.745>Uh, <00:30:47.885>okay, <00:30:48.024>so <00:30:48.165>again, <00:30:48.304>this <00:30:48.445>is <00:30:48.584>a <00:30:48.725>Ministry <00:30:48.864>of <00:30:49.004>Justice <00:30:49.145>special,

632
00:30:51.265 --> 00:30:53.405
<00:30:51.265>but, <00:30:51.498>uh, <00:30:51.731>even <00:30:51.965>before <00:30:52.198>COVID, <00:30:52.431>the <00:30:52.665>Minister

633
00:30:53.405 --> 00:30:55.285
<00:30:53.405>of <00:30:53.638>Justice <00:30:53.871>was <00:30:54.105>a <00:30:54.338>very <00:30:54.571>flexible <00:30:54.805>employer.

634
00:30:56.065 --> 00:31:00.005
<00:30:56.065>Um, <00:30:56.205>I <00:30:56.345>already <00:30:56.485>worked <00:30:56.625>two <00:30:56.765>or <00:30:56.905>three <00:30:57.045>days <00:30:57.185>from <00:30:57.325>home, <00:30:57.465>uh,

635
00:31:00.005 --> 00:31:01.965
<00:31:00.005>before <00:31:00.205>COVID, <00:31:00.405>even <00:31:00.605>though <00:31:00.805>there's <00:31:01.005>an <00:31:01.205>office, <00:31:01.405>uh,

636
00:31:01.965 --> 00:31:03.165
<00:31:01.965>in <00:31:02.235>Sheffield <00:31:02.504>where <00:31:02.774>I'm <00:31:03.045>based.

637
00:31:04.025 --> 00:31:07.605
<00:31:04.025>And <00:31:04.225>because <00:31:04.425>it's <00:31:04.625>a <00:31:04.825>distributed <00:31:05.025>department, <00:31:05.225>there's <00:31:05.425>offices

638
00:31:08.425 --> 00:31:09.445
<00:31:08.425>in <00:31:08.654>all <00:31:08.884>over <00:31:09.113>the <00:31:09.342>country.

639
00:31:09.545 --> 00:31:13.325
<00:31:09.545>But <00:31:09.778>in <00:31:10.011>London, <00:31:10.245>in <00:31:10.478>Sheffield, <00:31:10.711>in <00:31:10.945>Glasgow,

640
00:31:13.715 --> 00:31:15.365
<00:31:13.715>there's <00:31:14.064>one <00:31:14.415>in <00:31:14.764>Manchester <00:31:15.115>Lead.

641
00:31:15.365 --> 00:31:16.845
<00:31:15.365>It's <00:31:15.631>all <00:31:15.897>over <00:31:16.164>the <00:31:16.430>country, <00:31:16.697>basically.

642
00:31:17.745 --> 00:31:19.365
<00:31:17.745>We <00:31:18.024>were <00:31:18.304>already <00:31:18.584>kind <00:31:18.864>of <00:31:19.145>online.

643
00:31:19.505 --> 00:31:22.365
<00:31:19.505>All, <00:31:19.738>all <00:31:19.971>meetings <00:31:20.205>were <00:31:20.438>had <00:31:20.671>the <00:31:20.905>Hangouts

644
00:31:22.365 --> 00:31:24.085
<00:31:22.365>link, <00:31:22.715>somebody <00:31:23.065>wanted <00:31:23.415>to <00:31:23.765>join.

645
00:31:24.465 --> 00:31:26.925
<00:31:24.465>Almost <00:31:24.665>all <00:31:24.865>offices <00:31:25.064>were <00:31:25.264>set <00:31:25.465>up <00:31:25.665>to <00:31:25.865>have,

646
00:31:27.305 --> 00:31:28.445
<00:31:27.305>um, <00:31:27.818>remote <00:31:28.331>conferencing.

647
00:31:28.825 --> 00:31:30.365
<00:31:28.825>So <00:31:29.171>when <00:31:29.518>COVID <00:31:29.864>hit, <00:31:30.211>we

648
00:31:31.035 --> 00:31:32.605
<00:31:31.035>just <00:31:31.268>didn't <00:31:31.501>go <00:31:31.735>into <00:31:31.968>the <00:31:32.201>office <00:31:32.435>anymore.

649
00:31:33.825 --> 00:31:36.685
<00:31:33.825>Um, <00:31:34.000>it <00:31:34.175>made <00:31:34.350>some <00:31:34.525>things <00:31:34.700>harder <00:31:34.875>for <00:31:35.050>service <00:31:35.225>teams.

650
00:31:36.785 --> 00:31:38.885
<00:31:36.785>For <00:31:37.018>example, <00:31:37.251>teams <00:31:37.485>who <00:31:37.718>did <00:31:37.951>user <00:31:38.185>research

651
00:31:38.885 --> 00:31:41.885
<00:31:38.885>with <00:31:39.060>prison <00:31:39.235>officers, <00:31:39.410>usually <00:31:39.585>they <00:31:39.760>would <00:31:39.935>go <00:31:40.110>into <00:31:40.285>prisons

652
00:31:42.385 --> 00:31:44.085
<00:31:42.385>and <00:31:42.618>see, <00:31:42.851>talk <00:31:43.085>to <00:31:43.318>the <00:31:43.551>people <00:31:43.785>there.

653
00:31:44.705 --> 00:31:47.805
<00:31:44.705>And <00:31:44.985>prisons <00:31:45.264>have <00:31:45.544>very <00:31:45.824>restricted <00:31:46.105>networks.

654
00:31:48.035 --> 00:31:51.405
<00:31:48.035>They <00:31:48.190>don't <00:31:48.346>have <00:31:48.501>wifi, <00:31:48.657>most <00:31:48.812>of <00:31:48.968>'em <00:31:49.123>don't <00:31:49.279>have <00:31:49.435>wifi.

655
00:31:51.985 --> 00:31:55.245
<00:31:51.985>So <00:31:52.140>actually <00:31:52.296>doing <00:31:52.451>remote <00:31:52.607>user <00:31:52.762>research <00:31:52.918>was <00:31:53.073>a <00:31:53.229>challenge, <00:31:53.385>um,

656
00:31:55.555 --> 00:31:56.725
<00:31:55.555>that <00:31:56.081>was <00:31:56.608>overcome.

657
00:31:57.345 --> 00:32:00.365
<00:31:57.345>Um, <00:31:57.520>the <00:31:57.695>user <00:31:57.870>research <00:31:58.045>happened <00:31:58.220>with <00:31:58.395>presence <00:31:58.570>during <00:31:58.745>COVID.

658
00:32:00.865 --> 00:32:01.965
<00:32:00.865>It <00:32:01.030>just <00:32:01.195>took <00:32:01.360>a <00:32:01.524>bit <00:32:01.690>of <00:32:01.855>time.

659
00:32:02.625 --> 00:32:06.325
<00:32:02.625>Um, <00:32:02.780>so <00:32:02.936>for <00:32:03.091>me <00:32:03.247>personally, <00:32:03.402>it, <00:32:03.558>it <00:32:03.713>didn't <00:32:03.869>really <00:32:04.025>change

660
00:32:06.325 --> 00:32:08.285
<00:32:06.325>because <00:32:06.525>my <00:32:06.725>work <00:32:06.925>was <00:32:07.125>already <00:32:07.325>on <00:32:07.525>the <00:32:07.725>computer.

661
00:32:08.305 --> 00:32:10.845
<00:32:08.305>It <00:32:08.480>was <00:32:08.655>already <00:32:08.830>online <00:32:09.005>for <00:32:09.180>the <00:32:09.355>Ministry <00:32:09.530>of <00:32:09.705>Justice.

662
00:32:12.075 --> 00:32:14.045
<00:32:12.075>Some <00:32:12.425>professions <00:32:12.775>had <00:32:13.125>to <00:32:13.475>adjust

663
00:32:14.745 --> 00:32:17.765
<00:32:14.745>and <00:32:14.945>some <00:32:15.145>things <00:32:15.344>we <00:32:15.544>had, <00:32:15.745>we <00:32:15.945>had <00:32:16.145>to,

664
00:32:17.865 --> 00:32:22.405
<00:32:17.865>we <00:32:18.065>prioritize <00:32:18.265>rolling <00:32:18.465>out <00:32:18.665>virtual <00:32:18.865>visits <00:32:19.065>for <00:32:19.265>prisoners,

665
00:32:22.405 --> 00:32:24.525
<00:32:22.405>because <00:32:22.560>that's <00:32:22.716>one <00:32:22.871>of <00:32:23.027>the <00:32:23.182>most <00:32:23.338>important <00:32:23.493>things <00:32:23.649>is <00:32:23.805>visits

666
00:32:24.585 --> 00:32:25.885
<00:32:24.585>for <00:32:25.170>their <00:32:25.755>rehabilitation.

667
00:32:26.435 --> 00:32:29.565
<00:32:26.435>That <00:32:26.635>was <00:32:26.835>something <00:32:27.034>that <00:32:27.235>the <00:32:27.435>prison <00:32:27.635>service <00:32:27.835>just

668
00:32:30.415 --> 00:32:31.805
<00:32:30.415>threw <00:32:30.727>everything <00:32:31.040>it <00:32:31.353>could <00:32:31.666>add

669
00:32:32.345 --> 00:32:33.925
<00:32:32.345>and <00:32:32.625>got <00:32:32.905>something <00:32:33.185>out <00:32:33.465>very <00:32:33.745>quickly.

670
00:32:34.025 --> 00:32:35.485
<00:32:34.025>Two <00:32:34.244>to <00:32:34.463>three <00:32:34.682>months <00:32:34.901>after <00:32:35.120>the <00:32:35.339>pandemic

671
00:32:35.585 --> 00:32:37.405
<00:32:35.585>hit, <00:32:36.051>uh, <00:32:36.518>every <00:32:36.985>prison.

672
00:32:37.685 --> 00:32:39.850
<00:32:37.685>I <00:32:37.825>think <00:32:37.965>most <00:32:38.105>prisons <00:32:38.245>in <00:32:38.385>the <00:32:38.524>country <00:32:38.665>could <00:32:38.804>do <00:32:38.945>video <00:32:39.085>visits.

673
00:32:40.065 --> 00:32:41.965
<00:32:40.065>Uh, <00:32:40.265>and <00:32:40.465>before <00:32:40.665>that <00:32:40.865>we <00:32:41.065>didn't <00:32:41.265>have <00:32:41.465>computers.

674
00:32:42.705 --> 00:32:47.285
<00:32:42.705>So, <00:32:42.832>um, <00:32:42.959>I <00:32:43.086>think <00:32:43.214>we, <00:32:43.341>I <00:32:43.468>think <00:32:43.595>we <00:32:43.723>came <00:32:43.850>out <00:32:43.977>of <00:32:44.105>it

675
00:32:47.825 --> 00:32:49.045
<00:32:47.825>as <00:32:48.044>best <00:32:48.264>as <00:32:48.483>one <00:32:48.703>could <00:32:48.923>hope.

676
00:32:50.445 --> 00:32:52.245
<00:32:50.445>I <00:32:50.572>can <00:32:50.699>imagine <00:32:50.826>there <00:32:50.954>was <00:32:51.081>a <00:32:51.208>lot <00:32:51.335>of <00:32:51.463>stress <00:32:51.590>in <00:32:51.717>the <00:32:51.845>system

677
00:32:52.245 --> 00:32:53.645
<00:32:52.245>during <00:32:52.455>that <00:32:52.665>time, <00:32:52.875>but <00:32:53.085>it <00:32:53.295>sounds <00:32:53.504>great

678
00:32:53.645 --> 00:32:54.965
<00:32:53.645>that <00:32:53.882>you <00:32:54.120>handled <00:32:54.357>it <00:32:54.595>so <00:32:54.832>well.

679
00:32:55.705 --> 00:32:57.965
<00:32:55.705>Um, <00:32:56.054>selfish <00:32:56.405>question <00:32:56.754>from <00:32:57.105>me.

680
00:32:58.825 --> 00:33:01.405
<00:32:58.825>So <00:32:58.965>you're <00:32:59.105>saying <00:32:59.245>that <00:32:59.385>you <00:32:59.525>are <00:32:59.665>currently <00:32:59.805>in <00:32:59.945>the <00:33:00.085>process <00:33:00.225>of,

681
00:33:01.665 --> 00:33:04.725
<00:33:01.665>uh, <00:33:01.865>adopting <00:33:02.065>a <00:33:02.264>DevOps <00:33:02.465>culture <00:33:02.665>within <00:33:02.865>this <00:33:03.065>Ministry

682
00:33:04.725 --> 00:33:06.125
<00:33:04.725>of <00:33:04.935>Justice <00:33:05.145>in <00:33:05.355>certain <00:33:05.565>parts <00:33:05.775>of <00:33:05.985>it.

683
00:33:06.785 --> 00:33:09.845
<00:33:06.785>Um, <00:33:07.485>what's <00:33:08.185>next?

684
00:33:10.115 --> 00:33:12.965
<00:33:10.115>What <00:33:10.290>is <00:33:10.465>stopping <00:33:10.640>you <00:33:10.815>potentially <00:33:10.990>from <00:33:11.165>just <00:33:11.340>scrapping <00:33:11.515>your

685
00:33:12.965 --> 00:33:14.805
<00:33:12.965>current <00:33:13.245>plans <00:33:13.524>and <00:33:13.804>just <00:33:14.084>shifting <00:33:14.365>straight

686
00:33:14.825 --> 00:33:16.685
<00:33:14.825>to <00:33:15.175>something <00:33:15.525>like <00:33:15.875>maybe <00:33:16.225>DevSecOps

687
00:33:16.945 --> 00:33:20.765
<00:33:16.945>or, <00:33:17.120>uh, <00:33:17.294>other <00:33:17.470>things <00:33:17.645>around, <00:33:17.820>for <00:33:17.995>example, <00:33:18.169>system <00:33:18.345>hardening,

688
00:33:20.795 --> 00:33:22.245
<00:33:20.795>like <00:33:21.230>what, <00:33:21.665>uh, <00:33:22.100>Frank

689
00:33:22.305 --> 00:33:24.085
<00:33:22.305>and <00:33:22.480>Adele <00:33:22.655>were <00:33:22.830>talking <00:33:23.005>about <00:33:23.180>in <00:33:23.355>the <00:33:23.530>panel <00:33:23.705>earlier?

690
00:33:25.505 --> 00:33:29.165
<00:33:25.505>Uh, <00:33:25.738>what's <00:33:25.971>stopping <00:33:26.205>us? <00:33:26.438>Uh, <00:33:26.671>human <00:33:26.905>numbers?

691
00:33:29.345 --> 00:33:31.645
<00:33:29.345>Uh, <00:33:29.500>no, <00:33:29.656>actually <00:33:29.811>nothing <00:33:29.967>is, <00:33:30.122>nothing <00:33:30.278>is <00:33:30.433>really <00:33:30.589>stopping <00:33:30.745>us.

692
00:33:31.835 --> 00:33:33.525
<00:33:31.835>There's <00:33:32.185>a <00:33:32.535>whole <00:33:32.885>separate, <00:33:33.235>uh,

693
00:33:33.885 --> 00:33:35.525
<00:33:33.885>security <00:33:34.118>department <00:33:34.351>in <00:33:34.585>the <00:33:34.818>Ministry <00:33:35.051>of <00:33:35.285>Justice

694
00:33:35.635 --> 00:33:38.205
<00:33:35.635>that <00:33:35.868>is <00:33:36.101>also <00:33:36.335>centralized, <00:33:36.568>like, <00:33:36.801>uh, <00:33:37.035>platforms.

695
00:33:38.345 --> 00:33:42.445
<00:33:38.345>Uh, <00:33:38.500>the <00:33:38.656>cybersecurity <00:33:38.811>team, <00:33:38.967>uh, <00:33:39.122>always <00:33:39.278>deserve <00:33:39.433>a <00:33:39.589>shout <00:33:39.745>out.

696
00:33:42.985 --> 00:33:44.525
<00:33:42.985>Uh, <00:33:43.262>they're <00:33:43.539>great. <00:33:43.816>They're <00:33:44.093>always <00:33:44.371>lurking.

697
00:33:44.785 --> 00:33:46.165
<00:33:44.785>Uh, <00:33:45.033>like, <00:33:45.281>you, <00:33:45.530>you <00:33:45.778>do <00:33:46.027>something

698
00:33:46.165 --> 00:33:47.245
<00:33:46.165>and <00:33:46.359>then <00:33:46.553>somebody <00:33:46.748>will <00:33:46.942>be <00:33:47.137>like,

699
00:33:47.425 --> 00:33:48.525
<00:33:47.425>are <00:33:47.566>you <00:33:47.707>sure <00:33:47.849>you <00:33:47.990>should <00:33:48.132>have <00:33:48.273>done <00:33:48.415>that?

700
00:33:48.745 --> 00:33:51.965
<00:33:48.745>Um, <00:33:49.211>but <00:33:49.678>um, <00:33:50.145>we,

701
00:33:52.025 --> 00:33:53.805
<00:33:52.025>so <00:33:52.258>we <00:33:52.491>work <00:33:52.725>really <00:33:52.958>closely <00:33:53.191>with <00:33:53.425>them.

702
00:33:54.105 --> 00:33:56.365
<00:33:54.105>Uh, <00:33:54.280>we <00:33:54.455>are <00:33:54.630>at <00:33:54.805>the <00:33:54.980>earlier <00:33:55.155>stages <00:33:55.330>of <00:33:55.505>that

703
00:33:56.365 --> 00:33:58.645
<00:33:56.365>because <00:33:56.715>just <00:33:57.065>historically <00:33:57.415>they <00:33:57.765>have,

704
00:33:58.645 --> 00:34:01.525
<00:33:58.645>we <00:33:58.800>have <00:33:58.956>been <00:33:59.111>separate <00:33:59.267>teams, <00:33:59.422>but, <00:33:59.578>uh, <00:33:59.733>I <00:33:59.889>I <00:34:00.045>I,

705
00:34:01.525 --> 00:34:02.765
<00:34:01.525>we <00:34:01.711>end <00:34:01.897>up <00:34:02.083>talking <00:34:02.269>all <00:34:02.455>the <00:34:02.641>time

706
00:34:03.265 --> 00:34:06.005
<00:34:03.265>and <00:34:03.420>we <00:34:03.576>end <00:34:03.731>up <00:34:03.887>collaborating <00:34:04.042>on <00:34:04.198>things <00:34:04.353>like <00:34:04.509>our <00:34:04.665>DNS

707
00:34:06.005 --> 00:34:07.285
<00:34:06.005>estate <00:34:06.235>and <00:34:06.465>how <00:34:06.696>we <00:34:06.926>manage <00:34:07.157>that.

708
00:34:07.825 --> 00:34:09.365
<00:34:07.825>Um, <00:34:08.171>nothing <00:34:08.518>is <00:34:08.864>stopping <00:34:09.210>us.

709
00:34:09.625 --> 00:34:12.565
<00:34:09.625>Uh, <00:34:09.741>we <00:34:09.858>are, <00:34:09.975>we <00:34:10.091>are, <00:34:10.208>we <00:34:10.324>are <00:34:10.441>doing <00:34:10.558>it <00:34:10.675>as <00:34:10.791>part <00:34:10.908>of <00:34:11.025>all

710
00:34:12.565 --> 00:34:14.085
<00:34:12.565>of <00:34:12.838>those <00:34:13.112>platforms <00:34:13.385>that <00:34:13.659>spoke <00:34:13.933>about,

711
00:34:14.155 --> 00:34:18.245
<00:34:14.155>they <00:34:14.330>have <00:34:14.505>image <00:34:14.680>scanning, <00:34:14.855>they <00:34:15.030>have, <00:34:15.205>um, <00:34:15.380>code <00:34:15.555>scanning.

712
00:34:18.425 --> 00:34:21.005
<00:34:18.425>We <00:34:18.705>actually <00:34:18.985>use <00:34:19.265>Snic <00:34:19.545>as <00:34:19.825>well.

713
00:34:21.625 --> 00:34:26.125
<00:34:21.625>Um, <00:34:21.780>we <00:34:21.936>have, <00:34:22.091>uh, <00:34:22.247>automated <00:34:22.402>o <00:34:22.558>checks <00:34:22.713>on <00:34:22.869>our <00:34:23.025>repositories.

714
00:34:26.465 --> 00:34:31.205
<00:34:26.465>Uh, <00:34:26.620>so <00:34:26.776>we <00:34:26.931>are <00:34:27.087>absolutely <00:34:27.242>working <00:34:27.398>towards <00:34:27.553>that <00:34:27.709>as <00:34:27.865>part

715
00:34:31.205 --> 00:34:33.365
<00:34:31.205>of <00:34:31.380>our, <00:34:31.554>it's, <00:34:31.730>it's <00:34:31.904>just <00:34:32.080>best <00:34:32.255>practice <00:34:32.429>for <00:34:32.605>infrastructure.

716
00:34:33.505 --> 00:34:35.805
<00:34:33.505>So, <00:34:33.660>uh, <00:34:33.816>even <00:34:33.971>though <00:34:34.127>we <00:34:34.282>don't <00:34:34.438>go <00:34:34.593>it <00:34:34.749>to <00:34:34.905>DevSecOps,

717
00:34:35.945 --> 00:34:37.005
<00:34:35.945>uh, <00:34:36.183>that's <00:34:36.422>what <00:34:36.660>we're <00:34:36.899>doing.

718
00:34:38.645 --> 00:34:40.685
<00:34:38.645>Excellent. <00:34:38.878>That <00:34:39.111>sounds, <00:34:39.344>that <00:34:39.578>sounds <00:34:39.811>really <00:34:40.045>promising.

719
00:34:41.145 --> 00:34:45.005
<00:34:41.145>Um, <00:34:41.284>so <00:34:41.425>I'm <00:34:41.565>just <00:34:41.705>checking <00:34:41.844>if <00:34:41.985>we <00:34:42.125>have <00:34:42.264>any <00:34:42.405>more <00:34:42.545>questions.

720
00:34:45.025 --> 00:34:48.925
<00:34:45.025>No, <00:34:45.141>I <00:34:45.258>think <00:34:45.375>we're <00:34:45.491>good. <00:34:45.608>Nev <00:34:45.725>thank <00:34:45.841>you <00:34:45.958>so <00:34:46.075>much <00:34:46.191>for <00:34:46.308>your <00:34:46.425>time.

721
00:34:48.955 --> 00:34:51.485
<00:34:48.955>That <00:34:49.130>was <00:34:49.304>incredibly <00:34:49.480>insightful <00:34:49.654>and <00:34:49.830>I <00:34:50.005>love <00:34:50.179>the <00:34:50.355>infographics

722
00:34:51.625 --> 00:34:53.965
<00:34:51.625>and <00:34:51.732>I'm <00:34:51.840>sure <00:34:51.948>a <00:34:52.055>lot <00:34:52.163>of <00:34:52.271>other <00:34:52.378>people <00:34:52.486>in <00:34:52.594>the <00:34:52.701>chat <00:34:52.809>did <00:34:52.917>as <00:34:53.025>well.

723
00:34:54.385 --> 00:34:55.965
<00:34:54.385>Uh, <00:34:54.560>but <00:34:54.735>thank <00:34:54.910>you <00:34:55.085>so <00:34:55.260>much <00:34:55.435>for <00:34:55.610>your <00:34:55.785>time

724
00:34:55.965 --> 00:34:57.645
<00:34:55.965>and <00:34:56.120>I <00:34:56.276>hope <00:34:56.431>that <00:34:56.587>you <00:34:56.742>have <00:34:56.898>another <00:34:57.053>good <00:34:57.209>nap <00:34:57.365>soon.

725
00:34:59.055 --> 00:34:59.405
Thank.