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<00:17:01.075>Like <00:17:01.266>really <00:17:01.458>right <00:17:01.649>in <00:17:01.841>the <00:17:02.032>middle <00:17:02.224>of <00:17:02.416>it,

387
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<00:17:02.565>when <00:17:02.845>the <00:17:03.125>guy <00:17:03.405>was <00:17:03.685>kicked <00:17:03.965>off.

388
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<00:17:04.835>He's <00:17:04.990>quite <00:17:05.146>famous <00:17:05.301>in <00:17:05.457>the <00:17:05.612>uk <00:17:05.768>he's <00:17:05.923>called <00:17:06.079>Nasty <00:17:06.235>Nick.

389
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<00:17:08.165>I <00:17:08.281>mean, <00:17:08.398>he <00:17:08.514>was <00:17:08.631>basically <00:17:08.748>a <00:17:08.865>bit <00:17:08.981>of <00:17:09.098>a <00:17:09.214>prick <00:17:09.331>and <00:17:09.448>an <00:17:09.565>idiot.

390
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<00:17:11.545>But <00:17:11.720>they <00:17:11.895>turned <00:17:12.070>the <00:17:12.245>cameras <00:17:12.420>off <00:17:12.595>in <00:17:12.770>the <00:17:12.945>house

391
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<00:17:13.405>because <00:17:13.579>they <00:17:13.754>thought <00:17:13.930>he <00:17:14.105>was <00:17:14.280>gonna <00:17:14.454>start <00:17:14.629>a <00:17:14.805>fight.

392
00:17:16.785 --> 00:17:20.045
<00:17:16.785>So <00:17:16.940>didn't <00:17:17.096>make <00:17:17.251>live <00:17:17.407>violence. <00:17:17.562>So <00:17:17.718>they <00:17:17.873>kicked <00:17:18.029>him <00:17:18.185>out.

393
00:17:20.665 --> 00:17:25.165
<00:17:20.665>And <00:17:20.792>then <00:17:20.919>I <00:17:21.046>had <00:17:21.174>all <00:17:21.301>of <00:17:21.428>the <00:17:21.555>UK <00:17:21.683>media <00:17:21.810>offering <00:17:21.937>me <00:17:22.065>money,

394
00:17:25.305 --> 00:17:27.165
<00:17:25.305>you <00:17:25.460>know, <00:17:25.616>'cause <00:17:25.771>they <00:17:25.927>knew <00:17:26.082>that <00:17:26.238>I <00:17:26.393>was <00:17:26.549>a <00:17:26.705>communications

395
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<00:17:27.565>director <00:17:27.845>up <00:17:28.125>to <00:17:28.405>about <00:17:28.685>25,000 <00:17:28.965>pounds.

396
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<00:17:30.865>If <00:17:31.040>you <00:17:31.215>tell <00:17:31.390>us <00:17:31.565>where <00:17:31.740>he <00:17:31.915>is, <00:17:32.090>you <00:17:32.265>know,

397
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<00:17:32.685>we'll <00:17:32.918>give <00:17:33.151>you <00:17:33.385>20 <00:17:33.618>5K <00:17:33.851>number <00:17:34.085>one.

398
00:17:35.885 --> 00:17:38.885
<00:17:35.885>Um, <00:17:36.060>I'm <00:17:36.235>not <00:17:36.410>sure <00:17:36.585>if <00:17:36.760>I <00:17:36.935>would've <00:17:37.110>accepted <00:17:37.285>it,

399
00:17:39.105 --> 00:17:40.885
<00:17:39.105>but <00:17:39.385>20 <00:17:39.665>5K <00:17:39.945>is <00:17:40.225>20 <00:17:40.505>5K.

400
00:17:41.345 --> 00:17:42.525
<00:17:41.345>Uh, <00:17:41.522>and <00:17:41.699>number <00:17:41.876>two, <00:17:42.053>I <00:17:42.230>didn't <00:17:42.407>know

401
00:17:42.525 --> 00:17:44.245
<00:17:42.525>where <00:17:42.725>he <00:17:42.925>was. <00:17:43.125>You <00:17:43.325>know <00:17:43.525>what <00:17:43.725>I <00:17:43.925>mean?

402
00:17:44.915 --> 00:17:47.045
<00:17:44.915>Yeah, <00:17:46.315>absolutely.

403
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<00:17:51.345>That's <00:17:51.695>a <00:17:52.045>real <00:17:52.395>reason. <00:17:52.745>Well,

404
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<00:17:53.045>I <00:17:53.201>should <00:17:53.357>have <00:17:53.513>just <00:17:53.669>taken <00:17:53.825>the <00:17:53.981>money

405
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<00:17:54.105>and <00:17:54.272>just <00:17:54.439>said, <00:17:54.606>I <00:17:54.773>dunno <00:17:54.940>where <00:17:55.107>it <00:17:55.275>was.

406
00:17:55.825 --> 00:17:58.165
<00:17:55.825>Um, <00:17:56.000>but <00:17:56.175>it <00:17:56.350>was, <00:17:56.525>it <00:17:56.700>was <00:17:56.875>all <00:17:57.050>great <00:17:57.225>fun.

407
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<00:17:58.425>Um, <00:17:58.658>and <00:17:58.891>then <00:17:59.125>from, <00:17:59.358>from <00:17:59.591>that <00:17:59.825>point,

408
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<00:18:00.285>I <00:18:00.508>went <00:18:00.731>into <00:18:00.954>the <00:18:01.177>games <00:18:01.401>industry.

409
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<00:18:02.365>I <00:18:02.575>was <00:18:02.785>pretty <00:18:02.995>early <00:18:03.205>on <00:18:03.415>with <00:18:03.625>mobile

410
00:18:03.775 --> 00:18:05.165
<00:18:03.775>games, <00:18:04.025>you <00:18:04.275>know <00:18:04.525>what <00:18:04.775>I <00:18:05.026>mean?

411
00:18:05.405 --> 00:18:06.685
<00:18:05.405>I <00:18:05.597>did <00:18:05.789>a <00:18:05.981>deal <00:18:06.173>with, <00:18:06.365>uh, <00:18:06.557>I

412
00:18:07.005 --> 00:18:09.845
<00:18:07.005>I <00:18:07.145>heard <00:18:07.285>that <00:18:07.425>you <00:18:07.565>actually <00:18:07.705>lost <00:18:07.845>a <00:18:07.985>lot <00:18:08.125>of <00:18:08.265>money <00:18:08.405>there.

413
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<00:18:10.125>I <00:18:10.300>mean, <00:18:10.475>lost <00:18:10.650>is <00:18:10.825>maybe <00:18:11.000>not <00:18:11.175>the <00:18:11.350>right <00:18:11.525>word.

414
00:18:12.475 --> 00:18:16.085
<00:18:12.475>It's, <00:18:12.591>uh, <00:18:12.708>you <00:18:12.824>lost <00:18:12.941>the <00:18:13.058>chance <00:18:13.175>to <00:18:13.291>make <00:18:13.408>a <00:18:13.524>lot <00:18:13.641>of <00:18:13.758>money <00:18:13.875>there.

415
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<00:18:16.375>There <00:18:16.655>was <00:18:16.935>something <00:18:17.215>with, <00:18:17.495>with, <00:18:17.775>ah,

416
00:18:19.545 --> 00:18:21.405
<00:18:19.545>was <00:18:19.720>it <00:18:19.895>Angry <00:18:20.070>Bird? <00:18:20.245>Or <00:18:20.420>was <00:18:20.595>it, <00:18:20.770>was <00:18:20.945>it

417
00:18:21.405 --> 00:18:22.405
<00:18:21.405>Something <00:18:22.305>else?

418
00:18:22.465 --> 00:18:26.445
<00:18:22.465>We, <00:18:22.581>we, <00:18:22.698>we, <00:18:22.814>I <00:18:22.931>worked <00:18:23.048>for, <00:18:23.165>I <00:18:23.281>worked <00:18:23.398>for <00:18:23.514>a <00:18:23.631>games <00:18:23.748>testing <00:18:23.865>club.

419
00:18:26.505 --> 00:18:27.645
<00:18:26.505>We <00:18:26.710>were <00:18:26.915>Player <00:18:27.120>X <00:18:27.325>in <00:18:27.531>London.

420
00:18:28.105 --> 00:18:29.925
<00:18:28.105>Um, <00:18:28.280>and <00:18:28.455>we <00:18:28.630>were <00:18:28.805>very <00:18:28.980>powerful <00:18:29.155>at <00:18:29.330>the <00:18:29.505>time.

421
00:18:30.105 --> 00:18:32.165
<00:18:30.105>We <00:18:30.385>were <00:18:30.665>between <00:18:30.945>the <00:18:31.225>developers, <00:18:31.505>um,

422
00:18:33.065 --> 00:18:34.765
<00:18:33.065>and <00:18:33.345>the <00:18:33.625>publishers, <00:18:33.905>which <00:18:34.185>were <00:18:34.465>basically

423
00:18:34.765 --> 00:18:35.925
<00:18:34.765>the <00:18:35.287>mobile <00:18:35.809>operators.

424
00:18:36.425 --> 00:18:39.645
<00:18:36.425>And <00:18:36.600>at <00:18:36.774>that <00:18:36.950>time, <00:18:37.125>developers <00:18:37.300>were <00:18:37.475>treated <00:18:37.649>like <00:18:37.825>scum.

425
00:18:40.105 --> 00:18:41.245
<00:18:40.105>You <00:18:40.233>know <00:18:40.361>what <00:18:40.489>I <00:18:40.618>mean? <00:18:40.746>They <00:18:40.874>were <00:18:41.002>at <00:18:41.130>the

426
00:18:41.245 --> 00:18:42.325
<00:18:41.245>bottom <00:18:41.487>of <00:18:41.731>the <00:18:41.974>food <00:18:42.217>chain.

427
00:18:42.955 --> 00:18:46.405
<00:18:42.955>They <00:18:43.082>had <00:18:43.209>to <00:18:43.336>come <00:18:43.464>to, <00:18:43.591>uh, <00:18:43.718>I <00:18:43.845>love <00:18:43.973>developers <00:18:44.100>by <00:18:44.227>the <00:18:44.355>way.

428
00:18:46.915 --> 00:18:48.605
<00:18:46.915>They <00:18:47.090>had <00:18:47.264>to <00:18:47.440>come <00:18:47.615>to <00:18:47.790>us <00:18:47.965>with <00:18:48.139>their <00:18:48.315>games.

429
00:18:49.345 --> 00:18:52.565
<00:18:49.345>Um, <00:18:49.485>we <00:18:49.625>would <00:18:49.765>test <00:18:49.905>their <00:18:50.045>games. <00:18:50.185>We <00:18:50.325>would <00:18:50.465>look <00:18:50.605>for <00:18:50.745>bugs.

430
00:18:53.065 --> 00:18:54.445
<00:18:53.065>We <00:18:53.313>would <00:18:53.561>think <00:18:53.810>about <00:18:54.058>the <00:18:54.307>idea.

431
00:18:55.035 --> 00:18:58.685
<00:18:55.035>Then <00:18:55.175>we <00:18:55.315>would <00:18:55.455>take <00:18:55.595>them <00:18:55.735>to, <00:18:55.875>uh, <00:18:56.015>the <00:18:56.155>five <00:18:56.295>mobile <00:18:56.435>operators.

432
00:18:59.305 --> 00:19:01.365
<00:18:59.305>Um, <00:18:59.538>and <00:18:59.771>it <00:19:00.005>was <00:19:00.238>an <00:19:00.471>expensive <00:19:00.705>process

433
00:19:01.475 --> 00:19:03.245
<00:19:01.475>because <00:19:01.754>it <00:19:02.034>wasn't <00:19:02.314>just <00:19:02.594>about <00:19:02.875>paying

434
00:19:03.245 --> 00:19:04.525
<00:19:03.245>for <00:19:03.629>the <00:19:04.013>development <00:19:04.397>costs.

435
00:19:05.545 --> 00:19:10.085
<00:19:05.545>Um, <00:19:05.672>you <00:19:05.799>had <00:19:05.926>to <00:19:06.054>pay <00:19:06.181>for <00:19:06.308>the <00:19:06.435>porting <00:19:06.563>costs <00:19:06.690>in <00:19:06.817>those <00:19:06.945>days

436
00:19:10.145 --> 00:19:13.445
<00:19:10.145>to <00:19:10.272>port <00:19:10.399>from <00:19:10.526>Inia <00:19:10.654>to <00:19:10.781>a, <00:19:10.908>you <00:19:11.035>know, <00:19:11.163>whatever <00:19:11.290>was <00:19:11.417>out <00:19:11.545>there.

437
00:19:13.685 --> 00:19:15.445
<00:19:13.685>A <00:19:14.034>w <00:19:14.385>phone, <00:19:14.735>you <00:19:15.085>know.

438
00:19:16.025 --> 00:19:19.965
<00:19:16.025>So <00:19:16.165>we, <00:19:16.305>we <00:19:16.445>were, <00:19:16.585>we <00:19:16.725>were, <00:19:16.865>we <00:19:17.005>were, <00:19:17.145>we <00:19:17.285>missed <00:19:17.425>what,

439
00:19:20.105 --> 00:19:22.605
<00:19:20.105>to <00:19:20.305>be <00:19:20.505>fair, <00:19:20.705>I <00:19:20.905>didn't <00:19:21.105>miss <00:19:21.305>the <00:19:21.505>iPhone,

440
00:19:23.185 --> 00:19:25.045
<00:19:23.185>but <00:19:23.465>I <00:19:23.745>think <00:19:24.024>my <00:19:24.304>CEO <00:19:24.585>did.

441
00:19:25.225 --> 00:19:27.125
<00:19:25.225>And <00:19:25.399>I <00:19:25.574>kept <00:19:25.750>saying, <00:19:25.925>it <00:19:26.100>is <00:19:26.274>gonna <00:19:26.449>change <00:19:26.625>everything.

442
00:19:27.125 --> 00:19:31.365
<00:19:27.125>It's <00:19:27.280>gonna <00:19:27.436>change <00:19:27.591>everything. <00:19:27.747>So, <00:19:27.902>um, <00:19:28.058>we <00:19:28.213>had <00:19:28.369>a <00:19:28.525>reputation

443
00:19:31.385 --> 00:19:33.005
<00:19:31.385>of, <00:19:31.735>you <00:19:32.085>know, <00:19:32.435>killing <00:19:32.785>companies

444
00:19:33.005 --> 00:19:34.525
<00:19:33.005>because <00:19:33.278>we <00:19:33.552>wouldn't <00:19:33.825>take <00:19:34.099>their <00:19:34.373>games.

445
00:19:35.185 --> 00:19:39.085
<00:19:35.185>But <00:19:35.325>one <00:19:35.465>of <00:19:35.605>those <00:19:35.745>companies <00:19:35.885>was <00:19:36.024>called <00:19:36.165>RO <00:19:36.304>Mobile. <00:19:36.445>Um, <00:19:36.585>okay.

446
00:19:39.855 --> 00:19:42.005
<00:19:39.855>49 <00:19:40.205>games <00:19:40.555>for <00:19:40.905>our <00:19:41.255>processes.

447
00:19:42.865 --> 00:19:46.045
<00:19:42.865>Um, <00:19:43.020>and <00:19:43.176>we <00:19:43.331>failed <00:19:43.487>them <00:19:43.642>all, <00:19:43.798>actually, <00:19:43.953>I <00:19:44.109>think <00:19:44.265>50.

448
00:19:46.705 --> 00:19:50.005
<00:19:46.705>And <00:19:46.832>it <00:19:46.959>was <00:19:47.086>the <00:19:47.214>51st <00:19:47.341>game. <00:19:47.468>Uh, <00:19:47.595>and <00:19:47.723>they <00:19:47.850>had <00:19:47.977>no <00:19:48.105>money.

449
00:19:50.155 --> 00:19:51.365
<00:19:50.155>They <00:19:50.372>were <00:19:50.590>running <00:19:50.808>out <00:19:51.026>of <00:19:51.244>money.

450
00:19:51.915 --> 00:19:53.765
<00:19:51.915>They <00:19:52.195>called <00:19:52.475>us <00:19:52.754>the <00:19:53.034>RO <00:19:53.315>killers.

451
00:19:54.635 --> 00:19:57.535
<00:19:54.635>So <00:19:54.868>they <00:19:55.101>offered <00:19:55.335>us <00:19:55.568>Angry <00:19:55.801>Birds, <00:19:56.035>um,

452
00:19:57.795 --> 00:20:00.535
<00:19:57.795>for <00:19:57.995>something <00:19:58.195>like <00:19:58.395>a <00:19:58.595>51% <00:19:58.795>share <00:19:58.995>for <00:19:59.195>like

453
00:20:01.475 --> 00:20:03.695
<00:20:01.475>$250,000 <00:20:01.824>or <00:20:02.175>something <00:20:02.524>like <00:20:02.875>that.

454
00:20:04.515 --> 00:20:08.395
<00:20:04.515>And <00:20:04.715>we <00:20:04.915>said, <00:20:05.115>no, <00:20:05.315>we <00:20:05.515>turned <00:20:05.715>down. <00:20:05.915>Yeah.

455
00:20:08.535 --> 00:20:10.755
<00:20:08.535>And <00:20:08.710>I <00:20:08.885>think <00:20:09.060>then, <00:20:09.235>you <00:20:09.410>know, <00:20:09.585>obviously <00:20:09.760>everything <00:20:09.935>changed

456
00:20:11.835 --> 00:20:14.475
<00:20:11.835>'cause <00:20:12.068>the <00:20:12.301>iPhone <00:20:12.535>and <00:20:12.768>then <00:20:13.001>afterwards <00:20:13.235>Android.

457
00:20:15.095 --> 00:20:17.755
<00:20:15.095>Um, <00:20:15.222>I, <00:20:15.349>I <00:20:15.476>dunno <00:20:15.604>what, <00:20:15.731>I <00:20:15.858>dunno <00:20:15.985>if <00:20:16.113>we'd <00:20:16.240>have <00:20:16.367>made <00:20:16.495>it

458
00:20:17.755 --> 00:20:19.515
<00:20:17.755>so <00:20:18.455>successful, <00:20:19.155>uh,

459
00:20:19.515 --> 00:20:22.355
<00:20:19.515>because, <00:20:19.655>you <00:20:19.795>know, <00:20:19.935>the <00:20:20.075>rodeo <00:20:20.215>guys <00:20:20.355>were <00:20:20.495>a <00:20:20.635>really <00:20:20.775>smart <00:20:20.915>team.

460
00:20:22.815 --> 00:20:24.355
<00:20:22.815>You <00:20:23.013>know, <00:20:23.211>we <00:20:23.409>were <00:20:23.607>a <00:20:23.805>little <00:20:24.003>bit <00:20:24.201>too

461
00:20:24.355 --> 00:20:25.635
<00:20:24.355>early, <00:20:24.519>I <00:20:24.684>think, <00:20:24.848>you <00:20:25.013>know <00:20:25.177>what <00:20:25.342>I <00:20:25.507>mean?

462
00:20:25.655 --> 00:20:26.755
<00:20:25.655>We <00:20:25.853>were <00:20:26.051>having <00:20:26.249>too <00:20:26.447>much <00:20:26.645>fun.

463
00:20:27.775 --> 00:20:28.795
<00:20:27.775>Um, <00:20:28.081>we <00:20:28.387>were <00:20:28.693>trying

464
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<00:20:28.795>to <00:20:28.970>do <00:20:29.145>mobile <00:20:29.320>video <00:20:29.495>as <00:20:29.670>well <00:20:29.845>as <00:20:30.020>everything <00:20:30.195>else.

465
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<00:20:31.855>Uh, <00:20:32.010>so <00:20:32.166>that <00:20:32.321>is <00:20:32.477>probably, <00:20:32.632>I'm <00:20:32.788>probably <00:20:32.943>the <00:20:33.099>fifth <00:20:33.255>Beatle,

466
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<00:20:36.175>you <00:20:36.394>know, <00:20:36.614>the <00:20:36.833>guy <00:20:37.053>that <00:20:37.273>left,

467
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<00:20:37.455>Uh, <00:20:38.094>John <00:20:38.733>Lennon

468
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<00:20:38.875>And <00:20:39.050>Paul <00:20:39.225>McCartney <00:20:39.400>and <00:20:39.575>said, <00:20:39.750>nah, <00:20:39.925>that's <00:20:40.100>not <00:20:40.275>enough.

469
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<00:20:41.515>Or <00:20:41.690>the <00:20:41.865>guy <00:20:42.040>who <00:20:42.215>left <00:20:42.390>Apple, <00:20:42.565>maybe, <00:20:42.740>you <00:20:42.915>know.

470
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<00:20:43.785>Yeah. <00:20:43.985>But <00:20:44.185>you <00:20:44.385>never <00:20:44.585>know. <00:20:44.785>You <00:20:44.985>never <00:20:45.185>know.

471
00:20:46.435 --> 00:20:49.965
<00:20:46.435>Maybe <00:20:46.562>it <00:20:46.689>was <00:20:46.816>good. <00:20:46.944>So <00:20:47.071>maybe <00:20:47.198>it <00:20:47.325>wouldn't <00:20:47.453>have <00:20:47.580>been <00:20:47.707>a <00:20:47.835>success.

472
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<00:20:50.775>No, <00:20:50.902>exactly. <00:20:51.029>And <00:20:51.156>I <00:20:51.284>think <00:20:51.411>the <00:20:51.538>way <00:20:51.665>we <00:20:51.793>were <00:20:51.920>behaving <00:20:52.047>at <00:20:52.175>the

473
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<00:20:53.835>time, <00:20:54.035>we <00:20:54.235>were <00:20:54.435>having <00:20:54.635>a <00:20:54.835>lot <00:20:55.035>of <00:20:55.235>partying,

474
00:20:56.335 --> 00:20:58.715
<00:20:56.335>and <00:20:56.475>I <00:20:56.615>think <00:20:56.755>if <00:20:56.895>we, <00:20:57.035>you <00:20:57.175>know, <00:20:57.315>received <00:20:57.455>a <00:20:57.595>billion <00:20:57.735>dollars,

475
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<00:20:59.075>I <00:20:59.291>probably <00:20:59.507>would <00:20:59.723>not <00:20:59.939>be <00:21:00.155>here <00:21:00.371>now.

476
00:21:00.935 --> 00:21:02.115
<00:21:00.935>You <00:21:01.200>know? <00:21:01.466>Yeah. <00:21:01.731>Save <00:21:01.997>life,

477
00:21:03.095 --> 00:21:04.095
<00:21:03.095>You <00:21:03.545>see. <00:21:03.995>So

478
00:21:04.095 --> 00:21:07.035
<00:21:04.095>it's <00:21:04.270>a <00:21:04.445>good <00:21:04.620>thing. <00:21:04.795>You <00:21:04.970>should <00:21:05.145>not <00:21:05.320>regret <00:21:05.495>it.

479
00:21:07.675 --> 00:21:09.635
<00:21:07.675>I <00:21:07.875>had <00:21:08.075>no <00:21:08.274>regrets, <00:21:08.475>maam. <00:21:08.675>No <00:21:08.875>regrets. <00:21:09.075>Perfect.

480
00:21:09.865 --> 00:21:11.675
<00:21:09.865>Perfect. <00:21:10.331>Yeah. <00:21:10.798>Okay. <00:21:11.265>Okay.

481
00:21:11.695 --> 00:21:13.235
<00:21:11.695>And <00:21:12.041>then, <00:21:12.388>then, <00:21:12.734>uh, <00:21:13.081>yeah,

482
00:21:13.235 --> 00:21:15.635
<00:21:13.235>you <00:21:13.584>basically <00:21:13.935>started <00:21:14.284>contributing <00:21:14.635>regularly

483
00:21:15.695 --> 00:21:17.755
<00:21:15.695>to <00:21:15.975>really <00:21:16.254>big <00:21:16.534>tech <00:21:16.814>media, <00:21:17.095>right?

484
00:21:18.225 --> 00:21:20.595
<00:21:18.225>Well, <00:21:18.425>no, <00:21:18.625>not <00:21:18.824>really. <00:21:19.024>Um, <00:21:19.225>it <00:21:19.425>was, <00:21:19.625>uh,

485
00:21:20.615 --> 00:21:22.195
<00:21:20.615>the <00:21:21.081>title <00:21:21.548>Financial <00:21:22.015>crisis.

486
00:21:23.255 --> 00:21:26.835
<00:21:23.255>And, <00:21:23.382>uh, <00:21:23.509>I <00:21:23.636>did, <00:21:23.764>I <00:21:23.891>said <00:21:24.018>to <00:21:24.145>my <00:21:24.273>wife <00:21:24.400>at <00:21:24.527>the <00:21:24.655>time,

487
00:21:27.135 --> 00:21:29.355
<00:21:27.135>and <00:21:27.335>let's <00:21:27.535>take <00:21:27.735>our <00:21:27.935>5-year-old <00:21:28.135>son <00:21:28.335>to <00:21:28.535>India.

488
00:21:30.205 --> 00:21:31.795
<00:21:30.205>Let's <00:21:30.379>go <00:21:30.554>live <00:21:30.730>on <00:21:30.905>the <00:21:31.080>beach <00:21:31.254>for <00:21:31.429>a <00:21:31.605>year.

489
00:21:32.225 --> 00:21:34.635
<00:21:32.225>Because <00:21:32.458>the <00:21:32.691>financial <00:21:32.925>crisis, <00:21:33.158>I <00:21:33.391>mean, <00:21:33.625>it,

490
00:21:34.635 --> 00:21:35.955
<00:21:34.635>you <00:21:34.833>know, <00:21:35.031>I'm <00:21:35.229>gonna <00:21:35.427>lose <00:21:35.625>my <00:21:35.822>job.

491
00:21:36.995 --> 00:21:38.875
<00:21:36.995>'cause <00:21:37.150>I <00:21:37.306>was <00:21:37.461>on <00:21:37.617>big <00:21:37.772>money <00:21:37.928>in <00:21:38.083>London, <00:21:38.239>you <00:21:38.395>know,

492
00:21:38.875 --> 00:21:41.075
<00:21:38.875>we <00:21:39.108>hadn't <00:21:39.341>raised <00:21:39.575>enough <00:21:39.808>money, <00:21:40.041>you <00:21:40.275>know,

493
00:21:41.375 --> 00:21:42.955
<00:21:41.375>we <00:21:41.608>could <00:21:41.841>easily <00:21:42.075>rent <00:21:42.308>out <00:21:42.541>the <00:21:42.775>house.

494
00:21:43.095 --> 00:21:44.835
<00:21:43.095>We <00:21:43.250>could <00:21:43.406>live <00:21:43.561>on <00:21:43.717>the <00:21:43.872>beach. <00:21:44.028>I've <00:21:44.183>been <00:21:44.339>in <00:21:44.495>London

495
00:21:44.935 --> 00:21:47.235
<00:21:44.935>for <00:21:45.110>three <00:21:45.284>years, <00:21:45.460>spent <00:21:45.635>some <00:21:45.810>time <00:21:45.985>with <00:21:46.159>our <00:21:46.335>son.

496
00:21:48.175 --> 00:21:49.915
<00:21:48.175>Um, <00:21:48.455>so <00:21:48.735>that's <00:21:49.014>what <00:21:49.294>we <00:21:49.575>did.

497
00:21:50.495 --> 00:21:53.075
<00:21:50.495>But <00:21:50.622>what <00:21:50.749>I <00:21:50.876>used <00:21:51.004>to <00:21:51.131>do <00:21:51.258>is, <00:21:51.385>I <00:21:51.513>used <00:21:51.640>to <00:21:51.767>write <00:21:51.895>a,

498
00:21:53.555 --> 00:21:56.035
<00:21:53.555>a <00:21:53.755>newsletter <00:21:53.955>every <00:21:54.155>Friday <00:21:54.355>about <00:21:54.555>the <00:21:54.755>gaming <00:21:54.955>industry.

499
00:21:56.185 --> 00:21:58.035
<00:21:56.185>Monty's <00:21:56.534>gaming <00:21:56.885>and <00:21:57.235>wireless <00:21:57.585>Outlook,

500
00:21:58.205 --> 00:22:00.395
<00:21:58.205>which <00:21:58.405>was <00:21:58.605>quite <00:21:58.804>popular, <00:21:59.004>you <00:21:59.205>know, <00:21:59.405>was <00:21:59.605>sponsored

501
00:22:00.395 --> 00:22:01.715
<00:22:00.395>by <00:22:00.791>Nokia <00:22:01.187>and <00:22:01.582>ea.

502
00:22:02.635 --> 00:22:06.135
<00:22:02.635>Um, <00:22:02.775>so <00:22:02.915>I <00:22:03.055>chose <00:22:03.195>that <00:22:03.335>to <00:22:03.475>Monty's <00:22:03.615>Indian <00:22:03.754>newsletter, <00:22:03.895>you <00:22:04.035>know,

503
00:22:06.135 --> 00:22:09.575
<00:22:06.135>about <00:22:06.310>life <00:22:06.485>in <00:22:06.660>India, <00:22:06.835>you <00:22:07.010>know, <00:22:07.185>mosquitoes, <00:22:07.360>sugar, <00:22:07.535>whatever.

504
00:22:10.355 --> 00:22:13.775
<00:22:10.355>Uh, <00:22:10.530>and <00:22:10.705>then <00:22:10.880>the <00:22:11.055>English <00:22:11.230>newspaper, <00:22:11.405>the <00:22:11.580>Telegraph, <00:22:11.755>uh,

505
00:22:13.835 --> 00:22:14.935
<00:22:13.835>got <00:22:14.000>in <00:22:14.165>touch <00:22:14.330>with <00:22:14.495>me <00:22:14.659>and <00:22:14.825>said,

506
00:22:14.935 --> 00:22:16.095
<00:22:14.935>you <00:22:15.084>know, <00:22:15.233>how <00:22:15.382>do <00:22:15.531>you <00:22:15.680>fancy <00:22:15.829>write <00:22:15.979>it?

507
00:22:16.115 --> 00:22:18.095
<00:22:16.115>You <00:22:16.348>know, <00:22:16.581>write <00:22:16.815>for, <00:22:17.048>for <00:22:17.281>the <00:22:17.515>Telegraph.

508
00:22:18.325 --> 00:22:21.415
<00:22:18.325>It's <00:22:18.480>like <00:22:18.636>one <00:22:18.791>of <00:22:18.947>the <00:22:19.102>major <00:22:19.258>broadest, <00:22:19.413>uh, <00:22:19.569>the <00:22:19.725>Times.

509
00:22:21.475 --> 00:22:23.895
<00:22:21.475>And <00:22:21.649>The <00:22:21.824>Telegraph <00:22:22.000>were <00:22:22.175>the <00:22:22.350>two <00:22:22.524>biggest <00:22:22.699>English, <00:22:22.875>uh,

510
00:22:23.895 --> 00:22:25.855
<00:22:23.895>broadsheet <00:22:24.595>intelligent <00:22:25.295>publications.

511
00:22:26.715 --> 00:22:29.335
<00:22:26.715>Um, <00:22:26.842>but <00:22:26.969>obviously <00:22:27.096>I <00:22:27.224>was <00:22:27.351>delighted. <00:22:27.478>Do <00:22:27.605>you <00:22:27.733>know <00:22:27.860>what <00:22:27.987>I <00:22:28.115>mean?

512
00:22:29.435 --> 00:22:31.975
<00:22:29.435>So, <00:22:29.590>so <00:22:29.746>I <00:22:29.901>got <00:22:30.057>my <00:22:30.212>kind <00:22:30.368>of <00:22:30.523>writing, <00:22:30.679>writing <00:22:30.835>band.

513
00:22:32.795 --> 00:22:34.895
<00:22:32.795>Uh, <00:22:32.995>I <00:22:33.195>did <00:22:33.395>a <00:22:33.595>piece, <00:22:33.795>a <00:22:33.995>travel <00:22:34.195>piece

514
00:22:34.915 --> 00:22:38.135
<00:22:34.915>for <00:22:35.055>the <00:22:35.195>Financial <00:22:35.335>Times <00:22:35.475>about <00:22:35.615>Sri <00:22:35.754>Lanka, <00:22:35.895>where <00:22:36.034>I <00:22:36.175>also <00:22:36.315>went,

515
00:22:38.875 --> 00:22:41.775
<00:22:38.875>uh, <00:22:39.030>wrote <00:22:39.186>a <00:22:39.341>piece <00:22:39.497>for <00:22:39.652>the <00:22:39.808>Sunday <00:22:39.963>Times <00:22:40.119>about <00:22:40.275>Kmir.

516
00:22:42.275 --> 00:22:44.815
<00:22:42.275>But <00:22:42.450>that <00:22:42.625>didn't <00:22:42.800>make, <00:22:42.975>that <00:22:43.150>didn't <00:22:43.325>make <00:22:43.500>it, <00:22:43.675>unfortunately.

517
00:22:45.635 --> 00:22:48.215
<00:22:45.635>Um, <00:22:45.810>and <00:22:45.985>so <00:22:46.160>we <00:22:46.335>spent <00:22:46.510>two <00:22:46.685>years <00:22:46.860>in <00:22:47.035>India.

518
00:22:48.895 --> 00:22:51.055
<00:22:48.895>I <00:22:49.128>bizarrely <00:22:49.361>became <00:22:49.595>a <00:22:49.828>Bollywood <00:22:50.061>film <00:22:50.295>star.

519
00:22:51.255 --> 00:22:54.935
<00:22:51.255>I <00:22:51.371>was <00:22:51.488>in <00:22:51.605>two <00:22:51.721>films <00:22:51.838>as <00:22:51.955>a <00:22:52.071>villain, <00:22:52.188>uh, <00:22:52.305>which <00:22:52.421>is <00:22:52.538>another <00:22:52.655>story.

520
00:22:55.675 --> 00:22:58.575
<00:22:55.675>Uh, <00:22:55.955>and <00:22:56.235>then <00:22:56.514>I, <00:22:56.794>yeah, <00:22:57.075>weird.

521
00:22:58.995 --> 00:23:00.735
<00:22:58.995>And <00:22:59.195>then <00:22:59.395>I <00:22:59.594>came <00:22:59.794>back <00:22:59.995>to <00:23:00.195>the <00:23:00.395>UK

522
00:23:00.735 --> 00:23:03.335
<00:23:00.735>after <00:23:00.890>two <00:23:01.046>years <00:23:01.201>in <00:23:01.357>India, <00:23:01.512>when <00:23:01.668>my <00:23:01.823>son <00:23:01.979>was <00:23:02.135>seven.

523
00:23:03.635 --> 00:23:05.855
<00:23:03.635>It <00:23:03.810>was <00:23:03.985>time <00:23:04.160>for <00:23:04.335>him <00:23:04.510>to <00:23:04.685>get <00:23:04.860>some <00:23:05.035>stability.

524
00:23:06.795 --> 00:23:08.455
<00:23:06.795>Uh, <00:23:07.028>and <00:23:07.261>then <00:23:07.495>said <00:23:07.728>to <00:23:07.961>the <00:23:08.195>Telegraph,

525
00:23:08.515 --> 00:23:11.375
<00:23:08.515>how <00:23:08.670>about <00:23:08.826>I <00:23:08.981>changed <00:23:09.137>my <00:23:09.292>Indian <00:23:09.448>stories <00:23:09.603>into <00:23:09.759>text <00:23:09.915>stories.

526
00:23:12.595 --> 00:23:15.655
<00:23:12.595>Uh, <00:23:12.735>and <00:23:12.875>they <00:23:13.015>agreed. <00:23:13.155>I <00:23:13.295>pitched <00:23:13.435>the <00:23:13.575>story, <00:23:13.715>they <00:23:13.855>said, <00:23:13.995>yes.

527
00:23:16.475 --> 00:23:18.615
<00:23:16.475>And <00:23:16.630>then <00:23:16.786>from <00:23:16.941>that <00:23:17.097>was <00:23:17.252>probably <00:23:17.408>about <00:23:17.563>10 <00:23:17.719>years <00:23:17.875>ago.

528
00:23:19.355 --> 00:23:21.815
<00:23:19.355>And <00:23:19.555>from <00:23:19.755>that <00:23:19.955>point, <00:23:20.155>I <00:23:20.355>just <00:23:20.555>added <00:23:20.755>more

529
00:23:21.815 --> 00:23:23.615
<00:23:21.815>and <00:23:22.015>more <00:23:22.215>publications, <00:23:22.415>you <00:23:22.615>know <00:23:22.815>what <00:23:23.015>I <00:23:23.215>mean?

530
00:23:23.615 --> 00:23:25.895
<00:23:23.615>Like, <00:23:23.770>I, <00:23:23.926>I <00:23:24.081>was <00:23:24.237>a <00:23:24.392>Forbes <00:23:24.548>economist <00:23:24.703>for <00:23:24.859>about <00:23:25.015>three

531
00:23:25.895 --> 00:23:27.815
<00:23:25.895>and <00:23:26.245>a <00:23:26.595>half <00:23:26.945>years, <00:23:27.295>Telegraph

532
00:23:27.995 --> 00:23:29.295
<00:23:27.995>for <00:23:28.189>about <00:23:28.385>the <00:23:28.580>same <00:23:28.775>amount <00:23:28.970>of <00:23:29.165>time.

533
00:23:30.275 --> 00:23:32.215
<00:23:30.275>And <00:23:30.508>the <00:23:30.741>big <00:23:30.975>one <00:23:31.208>was <00:23:31.441>The <00:23:31.675>Economist.

534
00:23:32.255 --> 00:23:33.415
<00:23:32.255>I <00:23:32.463>still <00:23:32.672>write <00:23:32.881>for <00:23:33.090>The <00:23:33.299>Economist.

535
00:23:33.415 --> 00:23:35.695
<00:23:33.415>That's <00:23:33.615>part <00:23:33.815>of <00:23:34.014>a <00:23:34.215>family, <00:23:34.415>which <00:23:34.615>I'm <00:23:34.815>absolutely

536
00:23:35.695 --> 00:23:36.775
<00:23:35.695>honored <00:23:35.937>to <00:23:36.181>be <00:23:36.424>part <00:23:36.667>of.

537
00:23:37.575 --> 00:23:39.615
<00:23:37.575>BBC, <00:23:38.275>uh, <00:23:38.975>technology.

538
00:23:40.735 --> 00:23:44.975
<00:23:40.735>Newsweek, <00:23:40.968>MIT <00:23:41.201>Tech <00:23:41.435>Review, <00:23:41.668>wired, <00:23:41.901>the <00:23:42.135>Independent.

539
00:23:45.205 --> 00:23:46.845
<00:23:45.205>I <00:23:45.438>mean, <00:23:45.671>just <00:23:45.905>pretty <00:23:46.138>much <00:23:46.371>everyone <00:23:46.605>really.

540
00:23:47.395 --> 00:23:48.885
<00:23:47.395>Yeah. <00:23:47.842>That's, <00:23:48.289>that's <00:23:48.735>cool.

541
00:23:49.145 --> 00:23:51.405
<00:23:49.145>But <00:23:49.320>how <00:23:49.495>do <00:23:49.670>you <00:23:49.845>keep <00:23:50.020>your <00:23:50.195>ascent <00:23:50.370>from <00:23:50.545>track

542
00:23:51.795 --> 00:23:53.205
<00:23:51.795>with, <00:23:52.218>uh, <00:23:52.641>the <00:23:53.063>news?

543
00:23:53.595 --> 00:23:56.525
<00:23:53.595>Because <00:23:53.722>what <00:23:53.849>I, <00:23:53.976>what <00:23:54.104>I <00:23:54.231>learned <00:23:54.358>is <00:23:54.485>that, <00:23:54.613>that <00:23:54.740>you're <00:23:54.867>kind <00:23:54.995>of,

544
00:23:56.525 --> 00:23:58.765
<00:23:56.525>you <00:23:56.680>know, <00:23:56.836>you <00:23:56.991>can <00:23:57.147>talk <00:23:57.302>about <00:23:57.458>all <00:23:57.613>the <00:23:57.769>tech <00:23:57.925>topics,

545
00:23:58.945 --> 00:24:01.205
<00:23:58.945>and <00:23:59.145>you're <00:23:59.345>always <00:23:59.544>at <00:23:59.745>kind <00:23:59.945>of <00:24:00.145>the <00:24:00.345>forefront.

546
00:24:01.505 --> 00:24:04.605
<00:24:01.505>Um, <00:24:01.645>we'll <00:24:01.785>talk <00:24:01.925>a <00:24:02.065>bit <00:24:02.205>later <00:24:02.345>about <00:24:02.485>blockchain <00:24:02.625>and <00:24:02.765>the <00:24:02.905>NFTs

547
00:24:04.625 --> 00:24:06.765
<00:24:04.625>and <00:24:04.905>so <00:24:05.185>on <00:24:05.465>and <00:24:05.745>about <00:24:06.025>Defi.

548
00:24:06.825 --> 00:24:09.565
<00:24:06.825>But <00:24:06.980>how, <00:24:07.136>how <00:24:07.291>do <00:24:07.447>you <00:24:07.602>keep <00:24:07.758>yourself <00:24:07.913>kind <00:24:08.069>of <00:24:08.225>updated?

549
00:24:10.435 --> 00:24:12.325
<00:24:10.435>Well, <00:24:10.590>you <00:24:10.746>see, <00:24:10.901>I <00:24:11.057>mean, <00:24:11.212>I <00:24:11.368>would <00:24:11.523>disagree <00:24:11.679>with <00:24:11.835>that.

550
00:24:12.485 --> 00:24:14.005
<00:24:12.485>I <00:24:12.758>mean, <00:24:13.032>I <00:24:13.305>don't <00:24:13.579>think <00:24:13.853>I'm,

551
00:24:14.205 --> 00:24:15.725
<00:24:14.205>I <00:24:14.433>have <00:24:14.660>ever <00:24:14.889>been <00:24:15.117>at <00:24:15.344>the <00:24:15.572>forefront.

552
00:24:16.425 --> 00:24:17.685
<00:24:16.425>You <00:24:16.614>know, <00:24:16.803>I'm <00:24:16.992>not <00:24:17.181>an <00:24:17.370>early <00:24:17.559>doctor.

553
00:24:18.245 --> 00:24:21.165
<00:24:18.245>I, <00:24:18.361>I <00:24:18.478>think <00:24:18.594>I'm <00:24:18.711>a <00:24:18.828>lunchtime <00:24:18.945>a <00:24:19.061>doctor, <00:24:19.178>you <00:24:19.294>know <00:24:19.411>what <00:24:19.528>I <00:24:19.645>mean?

554
00:24:21.755 --> 00:24:25.685
<00:24:21.755>Yeah. <00:24:21.882>'cause <00:24:22.009>it <00:24:22.136>takes <00:24:22.264>me, <00:24:22.391>I've <00:24:22.518>not, <00:24:22.645>I <00:24:22.773>spent <00:24:22.900>20 <00:24:23.027>years <00:24:23.155>trying,

555
00:24:25.805 --> 00:24:29.525
<00:24:25.805>I <00:24:25.921>mean, <00:24:26.038>I <00:24:26.155>have <00:24:26.271>to <00:24:26.388>say <00:24:26.505>it's <00:24:26.621>now <00:24:26.738>3:00 <00:24:26.855>PM <00:24:26.971>set <00:24:27.088>at, <00:24:27.205>uh,

556
00:24:29.525 --> 00:24:30.685
<00:24:29.525>central <00:24:30.047>European <00:24:30.569>time,

557
00:24:30.685 --> 00:24:33.605
<00:24:30.685>and <00:24:30.825>it's <00:24:30.965>2:00 <00:24:31.105>PM <00:24:31.245>at, <00:24:31.385>at, <00:24:31.524>at <00:24:31.665>your <00:24:31.804>place <00:24:31.945>in, <00:24:32.085>in,

558
00:24:33.625 --> 00:24:35.725
<00:24:33.625>um, <00:24:33.975>uh, <00:24:34.325>in <00:24:34.675>the <00:24:35.025>uk.

559
00:24:35.985 --> 00:24:38.645
<00:24:35.985>And <00:24:36.140>you <00:24:36.296>told <00:24:36.451>me <00:24:36.607>that <00:24:36.762>you <00:24:36.918>just <00:24:37.073>had <00:24:37.229>breakfast. <00:24:37.385>Right?

560
00:24:38.785 --> 00:24:40.565
<00:24:38.785>So <00:24:39.135>you <00:24:39.485>are <00:24:39.835>really <00:24:40.185>there.

561
00:24:40.945 --> 00:24:42.925
<00:24:40.945>Not <00:24:41.178>that <00:24:41.411>early <00:24:41.645>and <00:24:41.878>October <00:24:42.111>after <00:24:42.345>lunch,

562
00:24:45.365 --> 00:24:46.365
<00:24:45.365>A <00:24:45.665>nightclub, <00:24:45.965>a <00:24:46.265>doctor.

563
00:24:48.465 --> 00:24:50.045
<00:24:48.465>But <00:24:48.665>the <00:24:48.865>service <00:24:49.064>point <00:24:49.264>is, <00:24:49.465>I <00:24:49.665>think <00:24:49.865>that

564
00:24:50.045 --> 00:24:53.765
<00:24:50.045>because <00:24:50.278>I <00:24:50.511>spent, <00:24:50.745>you <00:24:50.978>know, <00:24:51.211>15 <00:24:51.445>years

565
00:24:53.765 --> 00:24:56.205
<00:24:53.765>of <00:24:53.940>my <00:24:54.115>life <00:24:54.290>without <00:24:54.465>technology, <00:24:54.640>there <00:24:54.815>was <00:24:54.990>a <00:24:55.165>lot

566
00:24:56.205 --> 00:24:57.405
<00:24:56.205>of <00:24:56.475>holes <00:24:56.745>in <00:24:57.014>my <00:24:57.284>knowledge.

567
00:24:57.405 --> 00:24:58.965
<00:24:57.405>Right. <00:24:57.605>Do <00:24:57.805>you <00:24:58.004>know <00:24:58.205>what <00:24:58.405>I <00:24:58.605>mean? <00:24:58.805>Yeah.

568
00:24:59.685 --> 00:25:00.965
<00:24:59.685>I, <00:24:59.877>I <00:25:00.069>could <00:25:00.261>talk <00:25:00.453>a <00:25:00.645>good <00:25:00.837>story.

569
00:25:01.905 --> 00:25:03.885
<00:25:01.905>Uh, <00:25:02.138>and <00:25:02.371>the <00:25:02.605>internet <00:25:02.838>changed <00:25:03.071>my <00:25:03.305>life.

570
00:25:04.425 --> 00:25:05.765
<00:25:04.425>If <00:25:04.597>it <00:25:04.769>hadn't <00:25:04.941>have <00:25:05.114>been <00:25:05.286>for <00:25:05.458>the <00:25:05.631>internet,

571
00:25:05.765 --> 00:25:08.445
<00:25:05.765>it <00:25:05.892>would've <00:25:06.019>been <00:25:06.146>too <00:25:06.274>late <00:25:06.401>for <00:25:06.528>me <00:25:06.655>when <00:25:06.783>I <00:25:06.910>went <00:25:07.037>into <00:25:07.165>publishing

572
00:25:09.265 --> 00:25:10.405
<00:25:09.265>at <00:25:09.470>the <00:25:09.675>end <00:25:09.880>of <00:25:10.085>the <00:25:10.291>nineties.

573
00:25:10.985 --> 00:25:12.965
<00:25:10.985>So, <00:25:11.112>I, <00:25:11.239>I <00:25:11.366>don't <00:25:11.494>think <00:25:11.621>I'm <00:25:11.748>at <00:25:11.875>the <00:25:12.003>forefront <00:25:12.130>of <00:25:12.257>it, <00:25:12.385>but,

574
00:25:12.985 --> 00:25:15.405
<00:25:12.985>but <00:25:13.185>I <00:25:13.385>can <00:25:13.584>catch <00:25:13.784>a <00:25:13.985>wave, <00:25:14.185>you <00:25:14.385>know

575
00:25:15.405 --> 00:25:16.885
<00:25:15.405>what <00:25:15.595>I <00:25:15.785>mean? <00:25:15.975>I <00:25:16.166>could <00:25:16.356>smell <00:25:16.546>a <00:25:16.737>fire.

576
00:25:17.675 --> 00:25:20.485
<00:25:17.675>Yeah. <00:25:17.908>I <00:25:18.141>think <00:25:18.375>I've <00:25:18.608>been <00:25:18.841>reasonably, <00:25:19.075>uh,

577
00:25:20.715 --> 00:25:23.085
<00:25:20.715>it's <00:25:20.870>getting <00:25:21.026>earlier <00:25:21.181>for <00:25:21.337>me, <00:25:21.492>you <00:25:21.648>know <00:25:21.803>what <00:25:21.959>I <00:25:22.115>mean?

578
00:25:23.085 --> 00:25:25.885
<00:25:23.085>Late <00:25:23.240>time <00:25:23.396>breakfast <00:25:23.551>or <00:25:23.707>lunchtime <00:25:23.862>or, <00:25:24.018>or <00:25:24.173>whatever <00:25:24.329>it <00:25:24.485>is.

579
00:25:26.585 --> 00:25:28.685
<00:25:26.585>I'm <00:25:26.760>beginning <00:25:26.935>to <00:25:27.110>smell <00:25:27.285>things <00:25:27.460>a <00:25:27.635>little <00:25:27.810>bit <00:25:27.985>earlier.

580
00:25:29.745 --> 00:25:32.885
<00:25:29.745>Um, <00:25:29.900>and, <00:25:30.056>but <00:25:30.211>the, <00:25:30.367>the <00:25:30.522>thing <00:25:30.678>about <00:25:30.833>tech, <00:25:30.989>tech <00:25:31.145>journalists,

581
00:25:32.885 --> 00:25:35.325
<00:25:32.885>and <00:25:33.060>I <00:25:33.235>don't <00:25:33.410>consider <00:25:33.585>myself <00:25:33.760>a <00:25:33.935>tech <00:25:34.110>journalist <00:25:34.285>anymore,

582
00:25:35.445 --> 00:25:37.805
<00:25:35.445>I <00:25:35.600>think <00:25:35.756>it, <00:25:35.911>you <00:25:36.067>know, <00:25:36.222>I'm <00:25:36.378>getting <00:25:36.533>into, <00:25:36.689>you <00:25:36.845>know,

583
00:25:38.095 --> 00:25:42.205
<00:25:38.095>commercial <00:25:38.250>life <00:25:38.406>a <00:25:38.561>little <00:25:38.717>bit <00:25:38.872>more <00:25:39.028>is <00:25:39.183>that <00:25:39.339>journalists <00:25:39.495>know,

584
00:25:42.715 --> 00:25:46.045
<00:25:42.715>they <00:25:42.842>know <00:25:42.969>a <00:25:43.096>little <00:25:43.224>bit <00:25:43.351>about <00:25:43.478>a <00:25:43.605>lot <00:25:43.733>of <00:25:43.860>things, <00:25:43.987>you <00:25:44.115>know?

585
00:25:46.115 --> 00:25:49.045
<00:25:46.115>Yeah. <00:25:46.270>I <00:25:46.426>know. <00:25:46.581>I, <00:25:46.737>I <00:25:46.892>know <00:25:47.048>about <00:25:47.203>loads <00:25:47.359>of <00:25:47.515>things.

586
00:25:49.515 --> 00:25:50.685
<00:25:49.515>Yeah. <00:25:49.725>It's <00:25:49.936>not <00:25:50.146>a <00:25:50.357>bad <00:25:50.568>thing.

587
00:25:50.725 --> 00:25:51.845
<00:25:50.725>I <00:25:50.893>mean, <00:25:51.061>you <00:25:51.229>cannot <00:25:51.397>know <00:25:51.565>a <00:25:51.733>lot

588
00:25:51.845 --> 00:25:53.765
<00:25:51.845>of <00:25:52.078>things <00:25:52.311>about <00:25:52.545>a <00:25:52.778>lot <00:25:53.011>of <00:25:53.245>things.

589
00:25:53.945 --> 00:25:57.045
<00:25:53.945>You <00:25:54.120>know, <00:25:54.294>it's <00:25:54.470>kind <00:25:54.645>of, <00:25:54.820>uh, <00:25:54.995>maybe <00:25:55.169>you <00:25:55.345>Musk,

590
00:25:57.045 --> 00:25:59.045
<00:25:57.045>But, <00:25:57.325>but <00:25:57.605>whenever, <00:25:57.885>yeah, <00:25:58.165>when <00:25:58.445>anyone,

591
00:25:59.105 --> 00:26:00.285
<00:25:59.105>you, <00:25:59.370>I'm <00:25:59.636>a <00:25:59.901>generalist, <00:26:00.167>right?

592
00:26:00.305 --> 00:26:02.285
<00:26:00.305>But <00:26:00.480>if <00:26:00.655>anyone <00:26:00.830>ever <00:26:01.005>asks <00:26:01.180>me <00:26:01.355>if <00:26:01.530>I'm <00:26:01.705>a,

593
00:26:02.665 --> 00:26:04.685
<00:26:02.665>you <00:26:02.945>know, <00:26:03.225>I'm <00:26:03.504>a <00:26:03.784>tech <00:26:04.065>expert.

594
00:26:04.885 --> 00:26:06.325
<00:26:04.885>I <00:26:05.209>mean, <00:26:05.533>it's, <00:26:05.857>it's <00:26:06.181>laughable.

595
00:26:06.485 --> 00:26:09.165
<00:26:06.485>I, <00:26:06.640>I'm, <00:26:06.796>I'm <00:26:06.951>totally <00:26:07.107>not <00:26:07.262>a <00:26:07.418>tech, <00:26:07.573>tech, <00:26:07.729>tech <00:26:07.885>expert.

596
00:26:09.285 --> 00:26:13.245
<00:26:09.285>I <00:26:09.401>just <00:26:09.518>go <00:26:09.635>along <00:26:09.751>with <00:26:09.868>what <00:26:09.985>I <00:26:10.101>think <00:26:10.218>is <00:26:10.335>coming <00:26:10.451>next, <00:26:10.568>you <00:26:10.685>know?

597
00:26:13.305 --> 00:26:14.805
<00:26:13.305>And, <00:26:13.530>and <00:26:13.755>it <00:26:13.980>seems <00:26:14.205>to <00:26:14.430>be <00:26:14.655>working.

598
00:26:16.475 --> 00:26:18.125
<00:26:16.475>Yeah. <00:26:16.941>That's, <00:26:17.408>that's <00:26:17.875>good.

599
00:26:18.585 --> 00:26:22.365
<00:26:18.585>And, <00:26:18.725>and, <00:26:18.865>um, <00:26:19.005>I <00:26:19.145>mean, <00:26:19.285>when <00:26:19.425>you, <00:26:19.565>when <00:26:19.705>you <00:26:19.845>have <00:26:19.985>written

600
00:26:22.465 --> 00:26:25.405
<00:26:22.465>for <00:26:22.698>all <00:26:22.931>these <00:26:23.165>publications, <00:26:23.398>um, <00:26:23.631>have <00:26:23.865>you,

601
00:26:25.435 --> 00:26:27.765
<00:26:25.435>have <00:26:25.590>you <00:26:25.746>done <00:26:25.901>already <00:26:26.057>started <00:26:26.212>to, <00:26:26.368>to, <00:26:26.523>to, <00:26:26.679>you <00:26:26.835>know,

602
00:26:28.165 --> 00:26:30.045
<00:26:28.165>speaking <00:26:28.398>the <00:26:28.631>events <00:26:28.865>and, <00:26:29.098>and <00:26:29.331>seeing <00:26:29.565>also?

603
00:26:30.045 --> 00:26:32.165
<00:26:30.045>Or <00:26:30.325>is <00:26:30.605>this <00:26:30.885>some <00:26:31.165>some <00:26:31.445>story?

604
00:26:32.755 --> 00:26:33.925
<00:26:32.755>It's <00:26:32.965>a <00:26:33.176>good <00:26:33.386>question. <00:26:33.597>I <00:26:33.808>think

605
00:26:33.925 --> 00:26:35.245
<00:26:33.925>they, <00:26:34.162>I <00:26:34.400>think <00:26:34.637>they <00:26:34.875>go <00:26:35.112>together.

606
00:26:36.125 --> 00:26:38.085
<00:26:36.125>I <00:26:36.325>think <00:26:36.525>if <00:26:36.725>they, <00:26:36.925>if <00:26:37.125>they <00:26:37.325>think <00:26:37.525>they

607
00:26:39.585 --> 00:26:41.885
<00:26:39.585>or <00:26:40.285>a <00:26:40.985>writer,

608
00:26:43.005 --> 00:26:45.685
<00:26:43.005>that's <00:26:43.160>when <00:26:43.316>the <00:26:43.471>in <00:26:43.627>invitations <00:26:43.782>start <00:26:43.938>to <00:26:44.093>come <00:26:44.249>in, <00:26:44.405>right?

609
00:26:45.685 --> 00:26:47.965
<00:26:45.685>Yeah. <00:26:45.885>'cause <00:26:46.085>you <00:26:46.284>seem <00:26:46.485>to <00:26:46.685>have, <00:26:46.885>you <00:26:47.085>seem

610
00:26:47.985 --> 00:26:49.445
<00:26:47.985>to <00:26:48.247>have <00:26:48.510>some <00:26:48.773>type <00:26:49.036>of <00:26:49.299>reputation.

611
00:26:50.585 --> 00:26:52.845
<00:26:50.585>Uh, <00:26:50.712>and <00:26:50.839>then <00:26:50.966>it's <00:26:51.094>up <00:26:51.221>to <00:26:51.348>you. <00:26:51.475>You <00:26:51.603>know <00:26:51.730>what <00:26:51.857>I <00:26:51.985>mean?

612
00:26:52.965 --> 00:26:54.205
<00:26:52.965>I <00:26:53.150>thought, <00:26:53.337>well, <00:26:53.523>why <00:26:53.708>not? <00:26:53.895>You <00:26:54.081>know,

613
00:26:54.205 --> 00:26:56.925
<00:26:54.205>why <00:26:54.405>not <00:26:54.605>become <00:26:54.804>a <00:26:55.004>Yeah. <00:26:55.205>And <00:26:55.405>a <00:26:55.605>moderator?

614
00:26:57.145 --> 00:26:59.885
<00:26:57.145>That's <00:26:57.320>probably <00:26:57.495>the <00:26:57.670>reason <00:26:57.845>why <00:26:58.020>we <00:26:58.195>invited <00:26:58.370>you <00:26:58.545>three,

615
00:26:59.885 --> 00:27:02.005
<00:26:59.885>four <00:27:00.118>years <00:27:00.351>ago <00:27:00.585>to <00:27:00.818>introduce, <00:27:01.051>wasn't <00:27:01.285>it?

616
00:27:02.005 --> 00:27:04.365
<00:27:02.005>Because <00:27:02.145>'cause <00:27:02.285>we <00:27:02.425>saw <00:27:02.565>you <00:27:02.705>have <00:27:02.845>a <00:27:02.985>track <00:27:03.125>record, <00:27:03.265>right? <00:27:03.405>So,

617
00:27:04.635 --> 00:27:05.635
<00:27:04.635>Yeah. <00:27:04.935>But, <00:27:05.235>and <00:27:05.535>the

618
00:27:05.635 --> 00:27:07.525
<00:27:05.635>track <00:27:05.985>record <00:27:06.335>doesn't <00:27:06.685>get <00:27:07.035>any,

619
00:27:07.705 --> 00:27:09.205
<00:27:07.705>any <00:27:07.929>less, <00:27:08.155>you <00:27:08.379>know <00:27:08.605>what <00:27:08.830>I <00:27:09.054>mean?

620
00:27:09.355 --> 00:27:12.925
<00:27:09.355>It's <00:27:09.530>like, <00:27:09.705>I, <00:27:09.880>I <00:27:10.055>changed <00:27:10.230>my <00:27:10.405>LinkedIn <00:27:10.580>profile <00:27:10.755>recently

621
00:27:13.025 --> 00:27:15.685
<00:27:13.025>to <00:27:13.165>interview <00:27:13.305>a, <00:27:13.445>a <00:27:13.585>very <00:27:13.725>famous <00:27:13.865>people. <00:27:14.005>I <00:27:14.145>mean, <00:27:14.285>that's <00:27:14.425>a

622
00:27:16.295 --> 00:27:18.645
<00:27:16.295>Bit's <00:27:16.495>coming, <00:27:16.695>but <00:27:16.895>it's <00:27:17.095>to <00:27:17.295>the <00:27:17.495>point, <00:27:17.695>actually.

623
00:27:18.805 --> 00:27:21.165
<00:27:18.805>I <00:27:18.960>mean, <00:27:19.116>when <00:27:19.271>it <00:27:19.427>starts <00:27:19.582>rolling, <00:27:19.738>then <00:27:19.893>it's <00:27:20.049>rolling, <00:27:20.205>right?

624
00:27:21.405 --> 00:27:23.205
<00:27:21.405>I <00:27:21.685>mean, <00:27:21.965>it's <00:27:22.245>not <00:27:22.524>getting <00:27:22.805>worse.

625
00:27:24.105 --> 00:27:27.005
<00:27:24.105>Kim <00:27:24.280>Kardashian, <00:27:24.455>I <00:27:24.630>mean, <00:27:24.805>what <00:27:24.980>I <00:27:25.155>mean, <00:27:25.330>it's <00:27:25.505>not,

626
00:27:27.225 --> 00:27:29.285
<00:27:27.225>she <00:27:27.458>was <00:27:27.691>very, <00:27:27.925>very <00:27:28.158>charming, <00:27:28.391>very <00:27:28.625>nice.

627
00:27:30.345 --> 00:27:33.565
<00:27:30.345>But <00:27:30.500>if <00:27:30.656>I'm <00:27:30.811>gonna <00:27:30.967>be <00:27:31.122>remembered <00:27:31.278>for <00:27:31.433>anything, <00:27:31.589>it's <00:27:31.745>been

628
00:27:33.565 --> 00:27:37.245
<00:27:33.565>that <00:27:33.720>you <00:27:33.876>met <00:27:34.031>Kim <00:27:34.187>Kardashian, <00:27:34.342>you <00:27:34.498>failed <00:27:34.653>Angry <00:27:34.809>Birds, <00:27:34.965>uh,

629
00:27:37.265 --> 00:27:40.965
<00:27:37.265>and <00:27:37.465>you <00:27:37.665>had <00:27:37.865>some <00:27:38.065>Ethereum <00:27:38.265>stolen <00:27:38.465>in <00:27:38.665>2016.

630
00:27:41.055 --> 00:27:42.645
<00:27:41.055>These <00:27:41.335>are <00:27:41.615>the <00:27:41.895>three <00:27:42.175>things <00:27:42.455>I

631
00:27:42.845 --> 00:27:44.325
<00:27:42.845>I <00:27:43.111>read <00:27:43.377>about <00:27:43.644>that <00:27:43.910>from <00:27:44.177>your,

632
00:27:44.435 --> 00:27:46.405
<00:27:44.435>from <00:27:44.715>your <00:27:44.995>Gmail <00:27:45.274>account <00:27:45.554>or <00:27:45.835>something.

633
00:27:46.795 --> 00:27:49.045
<00:27:46.795>Yeah, <00:27:46.970>exactly. <00:27:47.145>I <00:27:47.320>mean, <00:27:47.495>at <00:27:47.670>the, <00:27:47.845>at <00:27:48.020>that <00:27:48.195>time,

634
00:27:49.465 --> 00:27:51.485
<00:27:49.465>it <00:27:49.814>was <00:27:50.165>about <00:27:50.514>25,000 <00:27:50.865>pounds.

635
00:27:52.105 --> 00:27:56.805
<00:27:52.105>Now <00:27:52.305>it's <00:27:52.505>about <00:27:52.705>600,000 <00:27:52.905>pounds. <00:27:53.105>So <00:27:53.305>yeah, <00:27:53.505>it

636
00:27:56.925 --> 00:27:57.925
<00:27:56.925>Wasn't <00:27:57.105>my <00:27:57.284>fault. <00:27:57.465>Let's <00:27:57.645>not <00:27:57.825>talk

637
00:27:57.925 --> 00:27:59.685
<00:27:57.925>about <00:27:58.158>that. <00:27:58.391>I <00:27:58.625>think <00:27:58.858>like <00:27:59.091>everyone <00:27:59.325>is

638
00:28:00.345 --> 00:28:01.805
<00:28:00.345>Having <00:28:00.783>Stories <00:28:01.221>like <00:28:01.659>that

639
00:28:03.295 --> 00:28:07.885
<00:28:03.295>Every <00:28:03.435>week, <00:28:03.575>every <00:28:03.715>week <00:28:03.855>I <00:28:03.995>get <00:28:04.135>about <00:28:04.275>10 <00:28:04.415>emails <00:28:04.555>from <00:28:04.695>people

640
00:28:07.945 --> 00:28:11.405
<00:28:07.945>who <00:28:08.072>say, <00:28:08.199>oh, <00:28:08.326>hi <00:28:08.454>Monty, <00:28:08.581>I <00:28:08.708>read <00:28:08.835>your <00:28:08.963>piece <00:28:09.090>in <00:28:09.217>the <00:28:09.345>BB,

641
00:28:11.485 --> 00:28:14.485
<00:28:11.485>C <00:28:11.764>about <00:28:12.044>using, <00:28:12.324>losing <00:28:12.604>your <00:28:12.885>Ethereum.

642
00:28:15.025 --> 00:28:17.845
<00:28:15.025>Um, <00:28:15.200>the <00:28:15.375>same <00:28:15.550>thing <00:28:15.725>that's <00:28:15.900>happened <00:28:16.075>to <00:28:16.250>me <00:28:16.425>now.

643
00:28:18.035 --> 00:28:20.045
<00:28:18.035>Help, <00:28:18.315>help <00:28:18.595>me <00:28:18.875>get <00:28:19.155>it <00:28:19.435>back.

644
00:28:20.965 --> 00:28:23.445
<00:28:20.965>I <00:28:21.165>mean, <00:28:21.365>sorry <00:28:21.564>to <00:28:21.764>swear, <00:28:21.965>but <00:28:22.165>f**k <00:28:22.365>you.

645
00:28:23.995 --> 00:28:25.085
<00:28:23.995>I've <00:28:24.240>never <00:28:24.485>got <00:28:24.730>it <00:28:24.976>back.

646
00:28:25.585 --> 00:28:26.885
<00:28:25.585>But <00:28:25.819>why <00:28:26.053>would <00:28:26.287>I <00:28:26.521>help <00:28:26.755>you

647
00:28:27.545 --> 00:28:31.245
<00:28:27.545>and <00:28:27.700>put <00:28:27.856>energy <00:28:28.011>you <00:28:28.167>to <00:28:28.322>remind <00:28:28.478>me <00:28:28.633>all <00:28:28.789>the <00:28:28.945>time?

648
00:28:32.115 --> 00:28:33.115
Yeah.

649
00:28:33.575 --> 00:28:34.765
<00:28:33.575>Maybe <00:28:33.932>that's <00:28:34.289>the <00:28:34.646>point.

650
00:28:35.215 --> 00:28:37.605
<00:28:35.215>Maybe <00:28:35.415>there's <00:28:35.615>just <00:28:35.814>some <00:28:36.014>bad <00:28:36.215>people <00:28:36.415>out <00:28:36.615>there

651
00:28:37.665 --> 00:28:38.765
<00:28:37.665>who <00:28:37.912>want <00:28:38.160>to <00:28:38.407>remind <00:28:38.655>you.

652
00:28:40.955 --> 00:28:45.805
<00:28:40.955>Okay. <00:28:41.095>Um, <00:28:41.235>I <00:28:41.375>mean, <00:28:41.514>um, <00:28:41.655>I <00:28:41.794>think <00:28:41.935>we <00:28:42.074>talked <00:28:42.215>about <00:28:42.355>the,

653
00:28:45.945 --> 00:28:48.725
<00:28:45.945>the <00:28:46.294>interviewing <00:28:46.645>Kim <00:28:46.995>Kardashian, <00:28:47.345>um,

654
00:28:49.065 --> 00:28:51.445
<00:28:49.065>at <00:28:49.298>our <00:28:49.531>last <00:28:49.765>World <00:28:49.998>Congress <00:28:50.231>this <00:28:50.465>year.

655
00:28:52.305 --> 00:28:55.965
<00:28:52.305>But, <00:28:52.480>um, <00:28:52.655>you've <00:28:52.830>also <00:28:53.005>met, <00:28:53.180>uh, <00:28:53.355>John <00:28:53.530>McAfee, <00:28:53.705>right?

656
00:28:56.795 --> 00:28:59.085
<00:28:56.795>Yeah. <00:28:56.970>No, <00:28:57.145>John <00:28:57.320>and <00:28:57.495>I <00:28:57.670>have <00:28:57.845>actually <00:28:58.020>be, <00:28:58.195>become,

657
00:28:59.115 --> 00:29:02.165
<00:28:59.115>were <00:28:59.270>I <00:28:59.426>rest <00:28:59.581>in <00:28:59.737>peace, <00:28:59.892>John, <00:29:00.048>my <00:29:00.203>friend, <00:29:00.359>we <00:29:00.515>became,

658
00:29:02.445 --> 00:29:03.445
<00:29:02.445>How <00:29:02.625>was <00:29:02.804>he <00:29:02.985>as <00:29:03.165>a <00:29:03.345>person?

659
00:29:04.355 --> 00:29:08.445
<00:29:04.355>Well, <00:29:04.471>we, <00:29:04.588>it <00:29:04.705>was, <00:29:04.821>I <00:29:04.938>was <00:29:05.055>invited <00:29:05.171>to <00:29:05.288>this <00:29:05.405>is, <00:29:05.521>I <00:29:05.638>was <00:29:05.755>invited

660
00:29:08.505 --> 00:29:11.685
<00:29:08.505>to <00:29:08.738>speak <00:29:08.971>or <00:29:09.205>to <00:29:09.438>moderate <00:29:09.671>John <00:29:09.905>McAfee

661
00:29:11.765 --> 00:29:13.845
<00:29:11.765>and <00:29:11.998>this <00:29:12.231>other <00:29:12.465>guy, <00:29:12.698>uh, <00:29:12.931>the <00:29:13.165>two

662
00:29:13.845 --> 00:29:15.965
<00:29:13.845>of <00:29:14.125>them <00:29:14.405>together, <00:29:14.685>uh, <00:29:14.965>on <00:29:15.245>stage.

663
00:29:16.585 --> 00:29:18.725
<00:29:16.585>And, <00:29:16.725>and <00:29:16.865>I <00:29:17.005>wasn't, <00:29:17.145>I <00:29:17.285>didn't <00:29:17.425>really <00:29:17.565>know <00:29:17.705>who <00:29:17.845>he <00:29:17.985>was.

664
00:29:19.225 --> 00:29:21.485
<00:29:19.225>You <00:29:19.365>know, <00:29:19.504>I <00:29:19.645>don't <00:29:19.784>do <00:29:19.925>research. <00:29:20.064>I <00:29:20.205>just <00:29:20.344>let <00:29:20.485>it <00:29:20.625>flow.

665
00:29:22.465 --> 00:29:24.365
<00:29:22.465>So <00:29:22.698>the, <00:29:22.931>the <00:29:23.165>audience <00:29:23.398>again, <00:29:23.631>was <00:29:23.865>crazy.

666
00:29:25.425 --> 00:29:27.405
<00:29:25.425>The <00:29:25.658>audience <00:29:25.891>didn't <00:29:26.125>really <00:29:26.358>want <00:29:26.591>to <00:29:26.825>listen

667
00:29:27.405 --> 00:29:30.405
<00:29:27.405>to <00:29:27.545>this <00:29:27.685>other <00:29:27.825>guy <00:29:27.965>called, <00:29:28.105>he <00:29:28.245>changed <00:29:28.385>his <00:29:28.524>name <00:29:28.665>every <00:29:28.805>year.

668
00:29:30.405 --> 00:29:32.525
<00:29:30.405>It <00:29:30.605>was <00:29:30.805>called <00:29:31.004>Synth, <00:29:31.205>I <00:29:31.405>think, <00:29:31.605>that <00:29:31.805>year.

669
00:29:33.625 --> 00:29:35.525
<00:29:33.625>So, <00:29:33.825>um, <00:29:34.025>in <00:29:34.225>the <00:29:34.425>middle <00:29:34.625>of <00:29:34.825>the <00:29:35.025>conference,

670
00:29:35.945 --> 00:29:39.325
<00:29:35.945>the <00:29:36.100>questions <00:29:36.256>I <00:29:36.411>said, <00:29:36.567>right, <00:29:36.722>let's <00:29:36.878>enough <00:29:37.033>of <00:29:37.189>you, <00:29:37.345>John.

671
00:29:39.545 --> 00:29:41.125
<00:29:39.545>Do <00:29:39.685>you <00:29:39.825>know <00:29:39.965>what <00:29:40.105>I <00:29:40.245>mean? <00:29:40.385>Talking <00:29:40.525>all <00:29:40.665>the <00:29:40.805>time, <00:29:40.945>time.

672
00:29:41.215 --> 00:29:42.685
<00:29:41.215>Let's <00:29:41.479>pass <00:29:41.744>that <00:29:42.008>over <00:29:42.273>to <00:29:42.538>synth.

673
00:29:43.185 --> 00:29:45.245
<00:29:43.185>Has <00:29:43.418>anyone <00:29:43.651>got <00:29:43.885>any <00:29:44.118>questions <00:29:44.351>for <00:29:44.585>synth?

674
00:29:46.675 --> 00:29:47.695
<00:29:46.675>No <00:29:46.904>one <00:29:47.134>has <00:29:47.363>any <00:29:47.592>questions.

675
00:29:48.095 --> 00:29:49.775
<00:29:48.095>I <00:29:48.270>said, <00:29:48.445>come <00:29:48.620>on, <00:29:48.795>man. <00:29:48.970>You <00:29:49.145>must <00:29:49.320>have <00:29:49.495>one

676
00:29:50.015 --> 00:29:51.015
<00:29:50.015>Question. <00:29:50.915>And

677
00:29:51.015 --> 00:29:52.655
<00:29:51.015>in <00:29:51.248>the <00:29:51.481>end, <00:29:51.715>the <00:29:51.948>camera <00:29:52.181>man <00:29:52.415>said,

678
00:29:52.685 --> 00:29:53.895
<00:29:52.685>I've <00:29:52.902>got <00:29:53.120>a <00:29:53.338>question <00:29:53.556>for <00:29:53.774>him.

679
00:29:54.455 --> 00:29:57.055
<00:29:54.455>I <00:29:54.582>said, <00:29:54.709>well, <00:29:54.836>thank <00:29:54.964>you <00:29:55.091>very <00:29:55.218>much <00:29:55.345>for <00:29:55.473>saving <00:29:55.600>my <00:29:55.727>life, <00:29:55.855>bro.

680
00:29:57.155 --> 00:29:58.335
<00:29:57.155>Do <00:29:57.287>you <00:29:57.420>know <00:29:57.553>what <00:29:57.686>I <00:29:57.818>mean? <00:29:57.951>What's <00:29:58.084>your <00:29:58.217>question?

681
00:29:58.345 --> 00:30:02.215
<00:29:58.345>Thank <00:29:58.520>you <00:29:58.695>very <00:29:58.870>much. <00:29:59.045>Um, <00:29:59.220>it <00:29:59.395>turned <00:29:59.570>out <00:29:59.745>that

682
00:30:02.215 --> 00:30:04.255
<00:30:02.215>that <00:30:02.415>guy <00:30:02.615>was <00:30:02.814>making <00:30:03.014>a <00:30:03.215>film <00:30:03.415>about <00:30:03.615>McAfee.

683
00:30:04.675 --> 00:30:06.575
<00:30:04.675>It <00:30:04.875>turned <00:30:05.075>out <00:30:05.274>that <00:30:05.475>he'd <00:30:05.675>never <00:30:05.875>met <00:30:06.075>McAfee.

684
00:30:06.595 --> 00:30:08.335
<00:30:06.595>And <00:30:06.795>it <00:30:06.995>turned <00:30:07.195>out <00:30:07.395>that <00:30:07.595>later <00:30:07.795>I <00:30:07.995>managed

685
00:30:08.335 --> 00:30:11.935
<00:30:08.335>to <00:30:08.475>get <00:30:08.615>Mc <00:30:08.755>him <00:30:08.895>into <00:30:09.035>McAfee's <00:30:09.175>room <00:30:09.315>to <00:30:09.455>complete <00:30:09.595>his <00:30:09.735>film.

686
00:30:12.155 --> 00:30:13.175
<00:30:12.155>So <00:30:12.338>it <00:30:12.522>was <00:30:12.705>a <00:30:12.889>great <00:30:13.072>story.

687
00:30:13.995 --> 00:30:16.695
<00:30:13.995>So, <00:30:14.135>um, <00:30:14.274>it <00:30:14.415>could, <00:30:14.554>it <00:30:14.695>went <00:30:14.834>on <00:30:14.975>and <00:30:15.114>on <00:30:15.254>and <00:30:15.395>on.

688
00:30:16.755 --> 00:30:19.575
<00:30:16.755>And <00:30:16.910>at <00:30:17.066>the <00:30:17.221>end, <00:30:17.377>my <00:30:17.532>brain <00:30:17.688>was <00:30:17.843>thinking <00:30:17.999>really <00:30:18.155>quickly.

689
00:30:20.555 --> 00:30:22.495
<00:30:20.555>And, <00:30:20.730>and, <00:30:20.905>uh, <00:30:21.080>I <00:30:21.255>said, <00:30:21.430>I <00:30:21.605>said, <00:30:21.780>you <00:30:21.955>know,

690
00:30:22.765 --> 00:30:24.495
<00:30:22.765>I've <00:30:23.045>got <00:30:23.325>an <00:30:23.605>excellent <00:30:23.885>chance <00:30:24.165>here.

691
00:30:25.275 --> 00:30:26.855
<00:30:25.275>Um, <00:30:25.555>and <00:30:25.835>then <00:30:26.115>I <00:30:26.395>said, <00:30:26.675>right.

692
00:30:26.895 --> 00:30:28.775
<00:30:26.895>I <00:30:27.070>said, <00:30:27.245>have <00:30:27.420>anyone <00:30:27.595>got <00:30:27.770>any <00:30:27.945>questions <00:30:28.120>for <00:30:28.295>John?

693
00:30:29.915 --> 00:30:32.455
<00:30:29.915>So <00:30:30.055>everybody <00:30:30.195>put <00:30:30.335>their <00:30:30.475>hands <00:30:30.615>up, <00:30:30.754>and <00:30:30.895>I <00:30:31.034>just <00:30:31.175>stood <00:30:31.315>up

694
00:30:32.455 --> 00:30:34.135
<00:30:32.455>and <00:30:32.655>I <00:30:32.855>said, <00:30:33.054>you <00:30:33.254>had <00:30:33.455>your <00:30:33.655>chance <00:30:33.855>earlier.

695
00:30:34.425 --> 00:30:38.095
<00:30:34.425>We've, <00:30:34.565>since <00:30:34.705>you <00:30:34.845>let <00:30:34.985>you <00:30:35.125>let <00:30:35.264>go, <00:30:35.405>you <00:30:35.544>can <00:30:35.685>f**k <00:30:35.825>off.

696
00:30:38.595 --> 00:30:40.415
<00:30:38.595>Do <00:30:38.750>you <00:30:38.906>know <00:30:39.061>what <00:30:39.217>I <00:30:39.372>mean? <00:30:39.528>And <00:30:39.683>then <00:30:39.839>we'll, <00:30:39.995>yeah,

697
00:30:40.655 --> 00:30:41.575
<00:30:40.655>Absolutely. <00:30:40.931>Let's <00:30:41.207>cut <00:30:41.483>one.

698
00:30:42.495 --> 00:30:46.015
<00:30:42.495>A <00:30:42.635>few <00:30:42.774>hours <00:30:42.915>later, <00:30:43.054>I <00:30:43.195>get <00:30:43.334>a <00:30:43.475>Facebook <00:30:43.614>message <00:30:43.754>from <00:30:43.895>the

699
00:30:46.085 --> 00:30:47.415
<00:30:46.085>organizer <00:30:46.484>of <00:30:46.883>the <00:30:47.282>conference

700
00:30:48.275 --> 00:30:50.335
<00:30:48.275>who <00:30:48.430>I <00:30:48.586>thought <00:30:48.741>was <00:30:48.897>my <00:30:49.052>mate, <00:30:49.208>but <00:30:49.363>was <00:30:49.519>someone <00:30:49.675>else.

701
00:30:50.955 --> 00:30:54.375
<00:30:50.955>And <00:30:51.082>he <00:30:51.209>said, <00:30:51.336>um, <00:30:51.464>we <00:30:51.591>need <00:30:51.718>to <00:30:51.845>talk. <00:30:51.973>I <00:30:52.100>said, <00:30:52.227>oh, <00:30:52.355>Jesus,

702
00:30:56.095 --> 00:30:57.095
<00:30:56.095>I <00:30:56.395>messed <00:30:56.695>it <00:30:56.995>up.

703
00:30:57.355 --> 00:30:58.375
<00:30:57.355>So, <00:30:57.661>so <00:30:57.967>we <00:30:58.273>spoke,

704
00:30:58.375 --> 00:31:01.815
<00:30:58.375>and <00:30:58.502>he <00:30:58.629>said, <00:30:58.756>he <00:30:58.884>said, <00:30:59.011>Monty, <00:30:59.138>I <00:30:59.265>don't <00:30:59.393>know <00:30:59.520>you, <00:30:59.647>you <00:30:59.775>know,

705
00:31:02.445 --> 00:31:04.015
<00:31:02.445>I've <00:31:02.725>invited <00:31:03.004>you <00:31:03.284>to <00:31:03.564>my <00:31:03.845>conference.

706
00:31:04.015 --> 00:31:06.175
<00:31:04.015>There's <00:31:04.365>nearly <00:31:04.715>5,000 <00:31:05.065>people <00:31:05.415>here.

707
00:31:06.665 --> 00:31:09.775
<00:31:06.665>We've <00:31:06.820>given <00:31:06.976>you <00:31:07.131>the <00:31:07.287>privilege <00:31:07.442>of <00:31:07.598>I <00:31:07.753>interviewing <00:31:07.909>John <00:31:08.065>McAfee,

708
00:31:10.665 --> 00:31:12.565
<00:31:10.665>and <00:31:10.945>you've <00:31:11.225>basically <00:31:11.504>told <00:31:11.784>my <00:31:12.065>audience

709
00:31:12.705 --> 00:31:15.645
<00:31:12.705>to <00:31:13.054>cough, <00:31:13.405>um, <00:31:13.754>on <00:31:14.105>stage.

710
00:31:16.385 --> 00:31:18.405
<00:31:16.385>And <00:31:16.585>I <00:31:16.785>went, <00:31:16.985>yeah. <00:31:17.185>He <00:31:17.385>goes, <00:31:17.585>my <00:31:17.785>wife

711
00:31:18.405 --> 00:31:20.285
<00:31:18.405>and <00:31:18.605>I <00:31:18.805>just <00:31:19.004>watched <00:31:19.205>it <00:31:19.405>on <00:31:19.605>their <00:31:19.805>laptop.

712
00:31:20.385 --> 00:31:21.125
<00:31:20.385>It <00:31:20.718>was <00:31:21.051>amazing.

713
00:31:26.345 --> 00:31:28.965
<00:31:26.345>He <00:31:26.472>ended <00:31:26.599>up, <00:31:26.726>I <00:31:26.854>was <00:31:26.981>on <00:31:27.108>back <00:31:27.235>of <00:31:27.363>his <00:31:27.490>yacht <00:31:27.617>that <00:31:27.745>evening,

714
00:31:29.915 --> 00:31:33.055
<00:31:29.915>and <00:31:30.070>two <00:31:30.226>of <00:31:30.381>his <00:31:30.537>friends, <00:31:30.692>he <00:31:30.848>liked <00:31:31.003>me, <00:31:31.159>I <00:31:31.315>think,

715
00:31:33.055 --> 00:31:35.615
<00:31:33.055>because <00:31:33.255>I <00:31:33.455>didn't <00:31:33.655>blow <00:31:33.855>smoke <00:31:34.055>up <00:31:34.255>his <00:31:34.455>backside.

716
00:31:36.315 --> 00:31:39.375
<00:31:36.315>Um, <00:31:36.470>we <00:31:36.626>had <00:31:36.781>a <00:31:36.937>lot <00:31:37.092>of <00:31:37.248>conversations <00:31:37.403>about <00:31:37.559>drugs, <00:31:37.715>drinking,

717
00:31:39.915 --> 00:31:41.415
<00:31:39.915>and <00:31:40.590>similar <00:31:41.264>experiences.

718
00:31:42.355 --> 00:31:43.815
<00:31:42.355>Uh, <00:31:42.617>and, <00:31:42.880>you <00:31:43.143>know, <00:31:43.406>we'd <00:31:43.669>spoke,

719
00:31:43.835 --> 00:31:44.975
<00:31:43.835>we, <00:31:44.006>you <00:31:44.177>know, <00:31:44.348>we <00:31:44.519>were <00:31:44.690>good <00:31:44.860>mates.

720
00:31:45.555 --> 00:31:48.895
<00:31:45.555>Um, <00:31:45.682>and <00:31:45.809>he <00:31:45.936>was <00:31:46.064>a <00:31:46.191>pirate, <00:31:46.318>right? <00:31:46.445>He <00:31:46.573>was <00:31:46.700>a <00:31:46.827>chief <00:31:46.955>pirate.

721
00:31:49.955 --> 00:31:51.415
<00:31:49.955>I'm <00:31:50.217>a, <00:31:50.480>I'm <00:31:50.743>a <00:31:51.006>junior <00:31:51.269>pirate.

722
00:31:52.115 --> 00:31:54.615
<00:31:52.115>Um, <00:31:52.270>and <00:31:52.426>he <00:31:52.581>lived <00:31:52.737>a <00:31:52.892>life, <00:31:53.048>which <00:31:53.203>is <00:31:53.359>very <00:31:53.515>difficult

723
00:31:54.615 --> 00:31:56.375
<00:31:54.615>to <00:31:54.815>live <00:31:55.015>now, <00:31:55.215>you <00:31:55.415>know <00:31:55.615>what <00:31:55.815>I <00:31:56.015>mean?

724
00:31:56.555 --> 00:31:59.215
<00:31:56.555>It <00:31:56.671>was <00:31:56.788>very <00:31:56.905>di <00:31:57.021>it <00:31:57.138>is <00:31:57.255>very <00:31:57.371>difficult <00:31:57.488>to <00:31:57.605>be <00:31:57.721>like <00:31:57.838>that <00:31:57.955>now.

725
00:31:59.915 --> 00:32:01.615
<00:31:59.915>Um, <00:32:00.115>and <00:32:00.315>I, <00:32:00.514>and <00:32:00.715>I <00:32:00.915>know <00:32:01.115>his <00:32:01.315>wife

726
00:32:01.615 --> 00:32:03.055
<00:32:01.615>Janet, <00:32:01.939>she's <00:32:02.263>an <00:32:02.587>amazing <00:32:02.911>woman.

727
00:32:03.635 --> 00:32:05.095
<00:32:03.635>And <00:32:03.854>I <00:32:04.073>think <00:32:04.292>it's <00:32:04.511>very, <00:32:04.730>very <00:32:04.949>sad.

728
00:32:05.255 --> 00:32:06.695
<00:32:05.255>I <00:32:05.399>th <00:32:05.543>I <00:32:05.687>think <00:32:05.831>there <00:32:05.975>was <00:32:06.119>no <00:32:06.263>way <00:32:06.407>he <00:32:06.551>was

729
00:32:06.695 --> 00:32:07.855
<00:32:06.695>gonna <00:32:06.903>go <00:32:07.112>back <00:32:07.321>to <00:32:07.530>the <00:32:07.739>us.

730
00:32:08.755 --> 00:32:12.335
<00:32:08.755>Um, <00:32:08.895>there <00:32:09.035>was <00:32:09.175>no <00:32:09.315>conspiracy. <00:32:09.455>It's <00:32:09.595>just <00:32:09.735>like, <00:32:09.875>you <00:32:10.015>know <00:32:10.155>what?

731
00:32:12.735 --> 00:32:13.895
<00:32:12.735>A <00:32:12.943>man <00:32:13.152>runs <00:32:13.361>out <00:32:13.570>of <00:32:13.779>steam.

732
00:32:14.115 --> 00:32:15.695
<00:32:14.115>And <00:32:14.348>when <00:32:14.581>a <00:32:14.815>man <00:32:15.048>runs <00:32:15.281>out <00:32:15.515>steam,

733
00:32:16.755 --> 00:32:18.775
<00:32:16.755>do <00:32:16.871>you <00:32:16.988>really <00:32:17.105>wanna <00:32:17.221>be <00:32:17.338>in <00:32:17.455>prison <00:32:17.571>for <00:32:17.688>the <00:32:17.805>rest <00:32:17.921>of <00:32:18.038>your <00:32:18.155>life?

734
00:32:19.315 --> 00:32:20.535
<00:32:19.315>No, <00:32:20.413>no,

735
00:32:21.895 --> 00:32:22.895
Absolutely.

736
00:32:23.855 --> 00:32:26.615
<00:32:23.855>Absolutely. <00:32:24.135>Um, <00:32:24.415>let <00:32:24.695>us <00:32:24.975>come <00:32:25.255>to,

737
00:32:27.675 --> 00:32:29.375
<00:32:27.675>to <00:32:28.024>the <00:32:28.375>present <00:32:28.725>a <00:32:29.075>bit,

738
00:32:29.445 --> 00:32:33.815
<00:32:29.445>because <00:32:29.585>you <00:32:29.725>said, <00:32:29.865>uh, <00:32:30.004>a <00:32:30.145>couple <00:32:30.284>of <00:32:30.425>minutes <00:32:30.564>ago <00:32:30.705>that <00:32:30.845>you,

739
00:32:34.515 --> 00:32:36.815
<00:32:34.515>you <00:32:34.748>can <00:32:34.981>smell <00:32:35.215>when <00:32:35.448>cool <00:32:35.681>things <00:32:35.915>come

740
00:32:37.035 --> 00:32:38.175
<00:32:37.035>around <00:32:37.377>the <00:32:37.719>corner, <00:32:38.061>right?

741
00:32:38.965 --> 00:32:42.825
<00:32:38.965>I, <00:32:39.165>I <00:32:39.365>said, <00:32:39.564>I, <00:32:39.764>Can <00:32:39.965>you <00:32:40.165>repeat <00:32:40.365>it?

742
00:32:43.625 --> 00:32:45.105
<00:32:43.625>I <00:32:43.891>said, <00:32:44.157>I <00:32:44.424>thought <00:32:44.690>I <00:32:44.957>could.

743
00:32:45.245 --> 00:32:47.305
<00:32:45.245>I'm <00:32:45.400>not, <00:32:45.556>I'm <00:32:45.711>never, <00:32:45.867>I'm <00:32:46.022>never <00:32:46.178>a <00:32:46.333>hundred <00:32:46.489>percent <00:32:46.645>sure.

744
00:32:47.495 --> 00:32:50.105
<00:32:47.495>Yeah. <00:32:47.961>Okay. <00:32:48.428>Um, <00:32:48.895>good.

745
00:32:50.485 --> 00:32:52.185
<00:32:50.485>Um, <00:32:50.834>but <00:32:51.185>actually, <00:32:51.534>I <00:32:51.885>mean,

746
00:32:52.285 --> 00:32:55.305
<00:32:52.285>now <00:32:52.485>you <00:32:52.685>are <00:32:52.885>chief <00:32:53.085>evangelist <00:32:53.285>at <00:32:53.485>ENA <00:32:53.685>Network.

747
00:32:56.055 --> 00:32:57.265
<00:32:56.055>Tell <00:32:56.272>us <00:32:56.490>a <00:32:56.708>bit <00:32:56.926>about <00:32:57.144>it.

748
00:32:57.415 --> 00:33:00.385
<00:32:57.415>What, <00:32:57.555>what, <00:32:57.695>what <00:32:57.835>is <00:32:57.975>Cena <00:32:58.115>and <00:32:58.254>what <00:32:58.395>are <00:32:58.534>you <00:32:58.675>doing <00:32:58.815>there

749
00:33:00.685 --> 00:33:01.745
<00:33:00.685>and <00:33:01.003>how <00:33:01.321>it <00:33:01.639>comes

750
00:33:02.125 --> 00:33:04.425
<00:33:02.125>and, <00:33:02.300>uh, <00:33:02.475>yeah, <00:33:02.650>just <00:33:02.825>give <00:33:03.000>us <00:33:03.175>a <00:33:03.350>short <00:33:03.525>overview.

751
00:33:05.155 --> 00:33:07.925
<00:33:05.155>Well, <00:33:05.282>it's, <00:33:05.409>it <00:33:05.536>came <00:33:05.664>about <00:33:05.791>at <00:33:05.918>the <00:33:06.045>end <00:33:06.173>of <00:33:06.300>last <00:33:06.427>year, <00:33:06.555>um,

752
00:33:08.345 --> 00:33:11.445
<00:33:08.345>an <00:33:08.461>old <00:33:08.578>contact <00:33:08.695>of <00:33:08.811>mine <00:33:08.928>who <00:33:09.045>I've <00:33:09.161>got <00:33:09.278>a <00:33:09.395>great <00:33:09.511>deal <00:33:09.628>of <00:33:09.745>respect

753
00:33:11.445 --> 00:33:14.245
<00:33:11.445>for, <00:33:11.620>said, <00:33:11.794>uh, <00:33:11.970>with, <00:33:12.145>you <00:33:12.320>know, <00:33:12.495>there's, <00:33:12.669>we're <00:33:12.845>set,

754
00:33:14.245 --> 00:33:16.605
<00:33:14.245>there's <00:33:14.524>setting <00:33:14.804>up <00:33:15.084>this, <00:33:15.364>uh, <00:33:15.645>organization

755
00:33:17.335 --> 00:33:20.445
<00:33:17.335>where <00:33:17.535>people <00:33:17.735>can <00:33:17.935>contribute <00:33:18.135>with <00:33:18.335>the <00:33:18.535>community, <00:33:18.735>uh,

756
00:33:20.705 --> 00:33:22.165
<00:33:20.705>and <00:33:20.869>we'd <00:33:21.033>love <00:33:21.197>you <00:33:21.361>to <00:33:21.526>be <00:33:21.690>part <00:33:21.854>of <00:33:22.019>it.

757
00:33:22.905 --> 00:33:26.445
<00:33:22.905>And <00:33:23.045>it <00:33:23.185>was <00:33:23.325>like, <00:33:23.465>well, <00:33:23.605>I'd <00:33:23.745>had <00:33:23.885>all <00:33:24.024>that <00:33:24.165>Ethereum <00:33:24.305>stolen

758
00:33:26.545 --> 00:33:29.365
<00:33:26.545>before, <00:33:26.720>you <00:33:26.895>know, <00:33:27.070>I <00:33:27.245>wasn't <00:33:27.420>really <00:33:27.595>in, <00:33:27.770>in <00:33:27.945>I,

759
00:33:29.505 --> 00:33:30.925
<00:33:29.505>I'd <00:33:29.760>given <00:33:30.016>up <00:33:30.271>a <00:33:30.527>blockchain <00:33:30.783>crypto.

760
00:33:31.075 --> 00:33:34.285
<00:33:31.075>Yeah. <00:33:31.215>The <00:33:31.355>only <00:33:31.495>blockchain <00:33:31.635>work <00:33:31.775>I <00:33:31.915>was <00:33:32.055>doing <00:33:32.195>on <00:33:32.335>stage <00:33:32.475>was

761
00:33:34.975 --> 00:33:39.085
<00:33:34.975>blockchain <00:33:35.208>for <00:33:35.441>good, <00:33:35.675>you <00:33:35.908>know, <00:33:36.141>Africa <00:33:36.375>Charities,

762
00:33:40.065 --> 00:33:43.525
<00:33:40.065>uh, <00:33:40.240>searching <00:33:40.415>for <00:33:40.590>real <00:33:40.765>metals <00:33:40.940>or, <00:33:41.115>or <00:33:41.290>for <00:33:41.465>diamonds,

763
00:33:43.545 --> 00:33:46.005
<00:33:43.545>and <00:33:43.700>making <00:33:43.856>sure <00:33:44.011>the <00:33:44.167>blockchain <00:33:44.322>could <00:33:44.478>help <00:33:44.633>in <00:33:44.789>that <00:33:44.945>respect.

764
00:33:46.025 --> 00:33:49.005
<00:33:46.025>So <00:33:46.141>I <00:33:46.258>was, <00:33:46.375>it <00:33:46.491>was <00:33:46.608>all <00:33:46.725>about <00:33:46.841>the <00:33:46.958>kind <00:33:47.075>of <00:33:47.191>bigger <00:33:47.308>picture. <00:33:47.425>Yeah.

765
00:33:49.105 --> 00:33:51.365
<00:33:49.105>Uh, <00:33:49.232>but <00:33:49.359>then <00:33:49.486>I, <00:33:49.614>and <00:33:49.741>then <00:33:49.868>people <00:33:49.995>had <00:33:50.123>knocked <00:33:50.250>on <00:33:50.377>my <00:33:50.505>door,

766
00:33:51.385 --> 00:33:53.885
<00:33:51.385>you <00:33:51.618>know, <00:33:51.851>and <00:33:52.085>I <00:33:52.318>looked <00:33:52.551>at <00:33:52.785>it

767
00:33:53.885 --> 00:33:56.565
<00:33:53.885>and <00:33:54.025>I <00:33:54.165>just <00:33:54.305>thought, <00:33:54.445>yeah, <00:33:54.585>I <00:33:54.725>mean, <00:33:54.865>wow, <00:33:55.004>this <00:33:55.145>is <00:33:55.285>weird.

768
00:33:57.505 --> 00:34:01.125
<00:33:57.505>Uh, <00:33:57.645>so <00:33:57.785>to <00:33:57.925>give <00:33:58.065>an <00:33:58.205>example <00:33:58.345>about <00:33:58.485>why <00:33:58.625>we <00:33:58.765>need <00:33:58.905>privacy,

769
00:34:01.815 --> 00:34:04.605
<00:34:01.815>which <00:34:01.990>is <00:34:02.165>basically <00:34:02.340>what, <00:34:02.515>what, <00:34:02.690>what <00:34:02.865>CNN <00:34:03.040>network <00:34:03.215>does.

770
00:34:05.265 --> 00:34:07.005
<00:34:05.265>It <00:34:05.545>preserves <00:34:05.825>your <00:34:06.105>pri <00:34:06.385>pri <00:34:06.665>privacy,

771
00:34:07.745 --> 00:34:09.165
<00:34:07.745>but <00:34:08.064>without <00:34:08.384>making <00:34:08.703>you <00:34:09.023>anonymous,

772
00:34:10.185 --> 00:34:13.725
<00:34:10.185>and <00:34:10.312>I <00:34:10.439>think <00:34:10.566>this <00:34:10.694>is <00:34:10.821>a <00:34:10.948>big <00:34:11.075>problem <00:34:11.203>for <00:34:11.330>the <00:34:11.457>crypto <00:34:11.585>community,

773
00:34:14.385 --> 00:34:18.005
<00:34:14.385>is <00:34:14.540>that <00:34:14.696>if <00:34:14.851>you <00:34:15.007>ever <00:34:15.162>mention <00:34:15.318>the <00:34:15.473>word <00:34:15.629>privacy, <00:34:15.785>immediately,

774
00:34:18.005 --> 00:34:19.565
<00:34:18.005>they <00:34:18.285>think <00:34:18.565>about <00:34:18.845>the <00:34:19.125>dark <00:34:19.405>web,

775
00:34:19.565 --> 00:34:21.645
<00:34:19.565>they <00:34:19.764>think <00:34:19.965>about <00:34:20.165>drug <00:34:20.365>dealers, <00:34:20.565>they <00:34:20.764>think <00:34:20.965>terrorists,

776
00:34:21.715 --> 00:34:24.525
<00:34:21.715>they <00:34:21.890>think <00:34:22.065>about <00:34:22.240>ta <00:34:22.415>people <00:34:22.590>cheating <00:34:22.765>the <00:34:22.940>tax <00:34:23.115>man.

777
00:34:25.225 --> 00:34:26.965
<00:34:25.225>Um, <00:34:25.400>well, <00:34:25.574>this <00:34:25.750>is <00:34:25.924>the <00:34:26.100>opposite <00:34:26.275>of <00:34:26.449>the <00:34:26.625>case,

778
00:34:27.395 --> 00:34:30.045
<00:34:27.395>because <00:34:27.675>privacy <00:34:27.955>is <00:34:28.235>a <00:34:28.514>human <00:34:28.795>right.

779
00:34:30.515 --> 00:34:32.285
<00:34:30.514>What <00:34:30.748>you <00:34:30.981>deserve <00:34:31.214>and <00:34:31.448>what <00:34:31.681>I <00:34:31.915>deserve.

780
00:34:32.785 --> 00:34:35.845
<00:34:32.784>And <00:34:32.912>there <00:34:33.039>are <00:34:33.166>problems <00:34:33.294>with <00:34:33.421>the <00:34:33.548>way <00:34:33.675>that <00:34:33.803>crypto <00:34:33.930>is <00:34:34.057>set <00:34:34.185>up.

781
00:34:36.545 --> 00:34:40.445
<00:34:36.545>So <00:34:36.672>if <00:34:36.799>I <00:34:36.926>owed <00:34:37.054>you <00:34:37.181>a <00:34:37.308>thousand <00:34:37.435>dollars, <00:34:37.563>you'd <00:34:37.690>say <00:34:37.817>to <00:34:37.945>me,

782
00:34:40.665 --> 00:34:42.045
<00:34:40.665>here's <00:34:40.975>my <00:34:41.286>bank <00:34:41.596>in <00:34:41.907>Vienna.

783
00:34:42.315 --> 00:34:43.565
<00:34:42.315>This <00:34:42.690>is <00:34:43.065>the <00:34:43.440>details.

784
00:34:43.825 --> 00:34:46.325
<00:34:43.824>I'd <00:34:43.980>send <00:34:44.136>you <00:34:44.291>a <00:34:44.447>thousand <00:34:44.602>dollars, <00:34:44.758>you'd <00:34:44.913>probably <00:34:45.069>get <00:34:45.225>charged

785
00:34:47.005 --> 00:34:49.765
<00:34:47.005>$1,080, <00:34:47.471>some <00:34:47.938>ridiculous <00:34:48.405>price,

786
00:34:50.745 --> 00:34:52.285
<00:34:50.745>uh, <00:34:51.022>and <00:34:51.299>it'll <00:34:51.576>all <00:34:51.853>be <00:34:52.130>done.

787
00:34:52.865 --> 00:34:55.165
<00:34:52.864>You, <00:34:52.992>you <00:34:53.119>know, <00:34:53.246>that's <00:34:53.374>all <00:34:53.501>it <00:34:53.628>is. <00:34:53.755>You <00:34:53.883>just <00:34:54.010>see <00:34:54.137>that <00:34:54.264>money.

788
00:34:55.625 --> 00:34:57.645
<00:34:55.625>I'd <00:34:55.780>see <00:34:55.936>the <00:34:56.091>money <00:34:56.247>go, <00:34:56.402>you'd <00:34:56.558>see <00:34:56.713>the <00:34:56.869>money <00:34:57.025>arrive.

789
00:34:58.545 --> 00:35:00.485
<00:34:58.545>If <00:34:58.720>I <00:34:58.895>send <00:34:59.070>you <00:34:59.245>a <00:34:59.420>thousand <00:34:59.595>dollars <00:34:59.770>by <00:34:59.945>crypto,

790
00:35:01.865 --> 00:35:03.885
<00:35:01.865>you <00:35:02.145>can <00:35:02.424>see <00:35:02.705>every <00:35:02.984>single <00:35:03.265>transaction

791
00:35:03.885 --> 00:35:04.965
<00:35:03.885>that <00:35:04.079>I've <00:35:04.273>ever <00:35:04.468>made <00:35:04.662>in <00:35:04.857>crypto.

792
00:35:05.235 --> 00:35:08.045
<00:35:05.235>Yeah. <00:35:05.435>And <00:35:05.635>I <00:35:05.835>could <00:35:06.035>see <00:35:06.235>every <00:35:06.435>single <00:35:06.635>transaction

793
00:35:08.045 --> 00:35:11.285
<00:35:08.045>that <00:35:08.220>you've <00:35:08.395>ever <00:35:08.570>made <00:35:08.745>in <00:35:08.920>crypto. <00:35:09.095>You <00:35:09.270>know, <00:35:09.445>people

794
00:35:11.285 --> 00:35:12.285
<00:35:11.285>Forget <00:35:12.185>that.

795
00:35:12.865 --> 00:35:15.845
<00:35:12.865>Yes. <00:35:13.040>And <00:35:13.214>that's <00:35:13.390>why <00:35:13.564>you <00:35:13.740>need <00:35:13.915>privacy, <00:35:14.089>you <00:35:14.265>know,

796
00:35:16.225 --> 00:35:17.805
<00:35:16.225>and <00:35:16.458>it's <00:35:16.691>not <00:35:16.924>just <00:35:17.158>me <00:35:17.391>to <00:35:17.625>you

797
00:35:17.865 --> 00:35:20.565
<00:35:17.865>or <00:35:18.064>you <00:35:18.265>to <00:35:18.464>me, <00:35:18.665>it's <00:35:18.865>also <00:35:19.064>everybody <00:35:19.265>else.

798
00:35:21.195 --> 00:35:23.005
<00:35:21.195>Everybody <00:35:21.428>else <00:35:21.661>can <00:35:21.895>see <00:35:22.128>in <00:35:22.361>a <00:35:22.595>public

799
00:35:23.005 --> 00:35:24.245
<00:35:23.005>blockchain <00:35:23.377>what's <00:35:23.749>going <00:35:24.121>on.

800
00:35:24.825 --> 00:35:28.045
<00:35:24.825>So <00:35:25.058>there's <00:35:25.291>this <00:35:25.524>scourge <00:35:25.758>called <00:35:25.991>front <00:35:26.225>running

801
00:35:28.695 --> 00:35:31.765
<00:35:28.695>where <00:35:28.850>people <00:35:29.006>can <00:35:29.161>see <00:35:29.317>what <00:35:29.472>you <00:35:29.628>are <00:35:29.783>trading <00:35:29.939>bad <00:35:30.095>actors,

802
00:35:32.345 --> 00:35:34.045
<00:35:32.345>and <00:35:32.578>then <00:35:32.811>they <00:35:33.044>can <00:35:33.278>hijack <00:35:33.511>your <00:35:33.745>trade

803
00:35:34.045 --> 00:35:36.565
<00:35:34.045>because <00:35:34.200>they <00:35:34.356>can <00:35:34.511>see <00:35:34.667>what <00:35:34.822>you're <00:35:34.978>trying <00:35:35.133>to <00:35:35.289>do <00:35:35.445>just

804
00:35:36.565 --> 00:35:38.085
<00:35:36.565>by <00:35:36.838>paying <00:35:37.112>a <00:35:37.385>higher <00:35:37.659>gas <00:35:37.933>fee.

805
00:35:38.705 --> 00:35:40.805
<00:35:38.705>So <00:35:38.880>it <00:35:39.055>means <00:35:39.230>a <00:35:39.404>guy <00:35:39.580>with <00:35:39.755>a <00:35:39.930>computer <00:35:40.105>power

806
00:35:40.805 --> 00:35:44.165
<00:35:40.805>and <00:35:40.960>more <00:35:41.116>money <00:35:41.271>to, <00:35:41.427>to, <00:35:41.582>to <00:35:41.738>spend, <00:35:41.893>or <00:35:42.049>gas <00:35:42.205>fees

807
00:35:44.265 --> 00:35:47.645
<00:35:44.265>or, <00:35:44.440>you <00:35:44.615>know, <00:35:44.790>a <00:35:44.964>premium, <00:35:45.140>um, <00:35:45.315>can <00:35:45.490>basically <00:35:45.665>take,

808
00:35:47.645 --> 00:35:48.645
<00:35:47.645>take <00:35:47.945>over <00:35:48.245>from <00:35:48.545>you.

809
00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:51.605
<00:35:49.425>So <00:35:49.625>privacy <00:35:49.825>in <00:35:50.025>that <00:35:50.225>respect <00:35:50.425>is <00:35:50.625>really <00:35:50.825>important.

810
00:35:52.095 --> 00:35:54.285
<00:35:52.095>There <00:35:52.294>is <00:35:52.495>not <00:35:52.694>any <00:35:52.895>way <00:35:53.095>that <00:35:53.294>we're <00:35:53.495>trying

811
00:35:54.305 --> 00:35:57.285
<00:35:54.305>to <00:35:54.504>make <00:35:54.705>anything <00:35:54.904>secret <00:35:55.105>away <00:35:55.305>from <00:35:55.504>anything <00:35:55.705>else.

812
00:35:57.945 --> 00:35:59.565
<00:35:57.945>But <00:35:58.120>the <00:35:58.295>whole <00:35:58.470>point <00:35:58.645>is <00:35:58.820>to <00:35:58.995>give <00:35:59.170>you <00:35:59.345>privacy.

813
00:36:00.225 --> 00:36:02.605
<00:36:00.225>You <00:36:00.400>still <00:36:00.575>go <00:36:00.750>for <00:36:00.924>a <00:36:01.100>know <00:36:01.275>your <00:36:01.450>customer <00:36:01.625>experience.

814
00:36:03.065 --> 00:36:07.445
<00:36:03.065>You <00:36:03.220>know, <00:36:03.376>you <00:36:03.531>still <00:36:03.687>identified <00:36:03.842>your <00:36:03.998>privacy <00:36:04.153>is, <00:36:04.309>is <00:36:04.465>basically

815
00:36:08.115 --> 00:36:11.085
<00:36:08.115>defined <00:36:08.290>by <00:36:08.464>your <00:36:08.640>identity, <00:36:08.814>not <00:36:08.990>that <00:36:09.165>you <00:36:09.339>are <00:36:09.515>trying

816
00:36:11.085 --> 00:36:12.965
<00:36:11.085>to <00:36:11.551>disguise <00:36:12.018>your <00:36:12.485>identity.

817
00:36:13.905 --> 00:36:17.605
<00:36:13.905>So <00:36:14.060>we, <00:36:14.216>we <00:36:14.371>were, <00:36:14.527>you <00:36:14.682>know, <00:36:14.838>it <00:36:14.993>looked <00:36:15.149>interested, <00:36:15.305>uh,

818
00:36:17.705 --> 00:36:21.005
<00:36:17.705>and <00:36:17.860>we <00:36:18.016>were <00:36:18.171>trying <00:36:18.327>to <00:36:18.482>raise <00:36:18.638>between <00:36:18.793>500, <00:36:18.949>700 <00:36:19.105>K

819
00:36:21.025 --> 00:36:22.765
<00:36:21.025>to <00:36:21.305>get <00:36:21.585>this <00:36:21.865>going <00:36:22.145>in <00:36:22.425>March.

820
00:36:23.585 --> 00:36:25.845
<00:36:23.585>Uh, <00:36:23.785>and <00:36:23.985>by <00:36:24.185>May <00:36:24.385>we <00:36:24.585>had <00:36:24.785>11.2 <00:36:24.985>million.

821
00:36:26.675 --> 00:36:29.445
<00:36:26.675>Okay. <00:36:26.875>So <00:36:27.075>was <00:36:27.275>this <00:36:27.475>year <00:36:27.675>2021? <00:36:27.875>Yeah, <00:36:28.075>absolutely.

822
00:36:29.665 --> 00:36:30.725
<00:36:29.665>Wow. <00:36:30.142>That's <00:36:30.618>amazing.

823
00:36:31.275 --> 00:36:33.045
<00:36:31.275>Yeah, <00:36:31.555>it <00:36:31.835>was <00:36:32.115>amazing. <00:36:32.395>Um, <00:36:32.675>and,

824
00:36:33.045 --> 00:36:36.285
<00:36:33.045>and <00:36:33.172>we <00:36:33.299>were, <00:36:33.426>to <00:36:33.554>be <00:36:33.681>honest, <00:36:33.808>we <00:36:33.935>were <00:36:34.063>surprised, <00:36:34.190>you <00:36:34.317>know, <00:36:34.445>um,

825
00:36:36.465 --> 00:36:39.045
<00:36:36.465>we <00:36:36.605>were <00:36:36.745>surprised, <00:36:36.885>but <00:36:37.025>we <00:36:37.165>obviously <00:36:37.305>hit <00:36:37.445>a, <00:36:37.585>a <00:36:37.725>sweet <00:36:37.865>spot.

826
00:36:39.445 --> 00:36:41.885
<00:36:39.445>I <00:36:39.620>mean, <00:36:39.795>you <00:36:39.970>know, <00:36:40.145>crypto <00:36:40.320>is <00:36:40.495>going <00:36:40.670>up, <00:36:40.845>right?

827
00:36:42.025 --> 00:36:43.125
<00:36:42.025>So <00:36:42.272>it's <00:36:42.520>a <00:36:42.767>crypto <00:36:43.015>summer.

828
00:36:43.185 --> 00:36:45.205
<00:36:43.185>So <00:36:43.418>people <00:36:43.651>wanted <00:36:43.884>to <00:36:44.118>diversify <00:36:44.351>their <00:36:44.585>assets.

829
00:36:45.795 --> 00:36:48.565
<00:36:45.795>Yeah. <00:36:45.935>And <00:36:46.075>also <00:36:46.215>I <00:36:46.355>think, <00:36:46.495>agreed <00:36:46.635>with <00:36:46.775>us <00:36:46.915>that, <00:36:47.055>you <00:36:47.195>know,

830
00:36:49.265 --> 00:36:51.525
<00:36:49.265>you <00:36:49.420>need <00:36:49.576>to <00:36:49.731>have <00:36:49.887>privacy <00:36:50.042>when, <00:36:50.198>when <00:36:50.353>you're, <00:36:50.509>when <00:36:50.665>you're,

831
00:36:51.525 --> 00:36:53.045
<00:36:51.525>when <00:36:51.867>you're <00:36:52.209>doing <00:36:52.551>crypto <00:36:52.893>transactions

832
00:36:53.045 --> 00:36:56.165
<00:36:53.045>that <00:36:53.200>we <00:36:53.356>have <00:36:53.511>competitors, <00:36:53.667>of <00:36:53.822>course, <00:36:53.978>you <00:36:54.133>know, <00:36:54.289>we <00:36:54.445>believe

833
00:36:56.165 --> 00:36:57.445
<00:36:56.165>that <00:36:56.395>we're <00:36:56.625>the <00:36:56.856>best <00:36:57.086>ones, <00:36:57.317>obviously.

834
00:36:58.025 --> 00:36:59.725
<00:36:58.025>Um, <00:36:58.225>but <00:36:58.425>this <00:36:58.625>is, <00:36:58.825>this <00:36:59.025>is <00:36:59.225>a <00:36:59.425>problem.

835
00:37:00.465 --> 00:37:01.525
<00:37:00.465>You <00:37:00.655>know <00:37:00.846>what <00:37:01.037>I <00:37:01.228>mean? <00:37:01.419>Okay.

836
00:37:01.705 --> 00:37:03.485
<00:37:01.705>And <00:37:01.985>what <00:37:02.265>stage <00:37:02.545>are <00:37:02.825>you <00:37:03.105>currently?

837
00:37:03.665 --> 00:37:07.925
<00:37:03.665>So <00:37:03.898>what's, <00:37:04.131>what's, <00:37:04.365>right <00:37:04.598>now, <00:37:04.831>what, <00:37:05.065>at

838
00:37:07.925 --> 00:37:09.845
<00:37:07.925>what <00:37:08.125>stage <00:37:08.325>are <00:37:08.525>you <00:37:08.725>currently? <00:37:08.925>So <00:37:09.125>what's, <00:37:09.325>what,

839
00:37:09.915 --> 00:37:13.125
<00:37:09.915>Yeah, <00:37:10.055>so, <00:37:10.195>so, <00:37:10.335>so, <00:37:10.475>so <00:37:10.615>if <00:37:10.755>you <00:37:10.895>can <00:37:11.035>imagine <00:37:11.175>the <00:37:11.315>decks,

840
00:37:13.125 --> 00:37:16.525
<00:37:13.125>decentralized <00:37:13.405>exchange, <00:37:13.685>such <00:37:13.965>as <00:37:14.245>Pancake <00:37:14.525>Swap

841
00:37:16.585 --> 00:37:19.485
<00:37:16.585>or <00:37:16.785>Sushi <00:37:16.985>Swap, <00:37:17.185>we <00:37:17.385>now <00:37:17.585>have <00:37:17.785>Sienna <00:37:17.985>Swap.

842
00:37:20.185 --> 00:37:21.605
<00:37:20.185>So <00:37:20.611>we're <00:37:21.037>creating <00:37:21.463>liquidity.

843
00:37:21.945 --> 00:37:24.005
<00:37:21.945>You <00:37:22.120>know, <00:37:22.295>we're <00:37:22.470>bringing <00:37:22.645>in <00:37:22.820>people, <00:37:22.995>giving <00:37:23.170>them <00:37:23.345>great

844
00:37:24.525 --> 00:37:27.925
<00:37:24.525>interest <00:37:24.700>rates <00:37:24.875>a <00:37:25.050>wise <00:37:25.225>on <00:37:25.400>their, <00:37:25.575>on <00:37:25.750>their <00:37:25.925>proof

845
00:37:28.085 --> 00:37:30.605
<00:37:28.085>of <00:37:28.365>stake, <00:37:28.645>not <00:37:28.925>proof <00:37:29.205>of <00:37:29.485>work.

846
00:37:31.175 --> 00:37:34.965
<00:37:31.175>We're, <00:37:31.350>we're <00:37:31.525>very, <00:37:31.700>uh, <00:37:31.875>pro, <00:37:32.050>pro <00:37:32.225>uh, <00:37:32.400>pro <00:37:32.575>ecology.

847
00:37:35.305 --> 00:37:37.925
<00:37:35.305>We <00:37:35.504>don't <00:37:35.705>wanna <00:37:35.904>waste <00:37:36.105>the <00:37:36.305>world's <00:37:36.504>energy <00:37:36.705>resources.

848
00:37:37.945 --> 00:37:41.525
<00:37:37.945>So <00:37:38.085>it's <00:37:38.225>proof <00:37:38.365>of <00:37:38.505>stake, <00:37:38.645>what <00:37:38.785>people <00:37:38.925>stake <00:37:39.065>into <00:37:39.205>their <00:37:39.345>pools,

849
00:37:41.525 --> 00:37:43.845
<00:37:41.525>which <00:37:41.700>adds <00:37:41.875>to <00:37:42.050>their, <00:37:42.225>to <00:37:42.400>their, <00:37:42.575>to <00:37:42.750>their <00:37:42.925>earnings.

850
00:37:44.465 --> 00:37:48.005
<00:37:44.465>Um, <00:37:44.620>and <00:37:44.776>shortly, <00:37:44.931>you <00:37:45.087>know, <00:37:45.242>we'll <00:37:45.398>be <00:37:45.553>launching <00:37:45.709>Sienna <00:37:45.865>Lend,

851
00:37:48.735 --> 00:37:51.085
<00:37:48.735>which <00:37:48.935>means, <00:37:49.135>you <00:37:49.335>know, <00:37:49.535>obviously <00:37:49.735>you <00:37:49.935>can <00:37:50.135>borrow

852
00:37:51.265 --> 00:37:53.325
<00:37:51.265>and <00:37:51.420>you <00:37:51.576>can <00:37:51.731>lend <00:37:51.887>money, <00:37:52.042>you <00:37:52.198>know, <00:37:52.353>which, <00:37:52.509>which <00:37:52.665>I,

853
00:37:53.325 --> 00:37:55.405
<00:37:53.325>which <00:37:53.452>I <00:37:53.579>think <00:37:53.706>we <00:37:53.834>think <00:37:53.961>is <00:37:54.088>a <00:37:54.215>bit <00:37:54.343>of <00:37:54.470>a <00:37:54.597>game <00:37:54.725>changer

854
00:37:56.185 --> 00:37:58.005
<00:37:56.185>for <00:37:56.418>the <00:37:56.651>future, <00:37:56.884>but <00:37:57.118>there <00:37:57.351>are <00:37:57.585>other

855
00:37:58.005 --> 00:37:59.165
<00:37:58.005>things <00:37:58.353>happening <00:37:58.701>beneath <00:37:59.049>it.

856
00:37:59.165 --> 00:38:00.805
<00:37:59.165>You <00:37:59.320>know, <00:37:59.476>in <00:37:59.631>the, <00:37:59.787>in <00:37:59.942>the, <00:38:00.098>in <00:38:00.253>the <00:38:00.409>area <00:38:00.565>itself.

857
00:38:01.605 --> 00:38:04.965
<00:38:01.605>Sienna's <00:38:01.780>protocol <00:38:01.955>is <00:38:02.130>built <00:38:02.305>on <00:38:02.480>the <00:38:02.655>secret <00:38:02.830>network <00:38:03.005>protocol,

858
00:38:05.335 --> 00:38:07.245
<00:38:05.335>which <00:38:05.685>is <00:38:06.035>built <00:38:06.385>on <00:38:06.735>Cosmos.

859
00:38:07.745 --> 00:38:12.455
<00:38:07.745>And <00:38:07.900>if <00:38:08.056>you <00:38:08.211>can <00:38:08.367>think <00:38:08.522>of <00:38:08.678>public, <00:38:08.833>well, <00:38:08.989>all <00:38:09.145>types

860
00:38:12.455 --> 00:38:15.375
<00:38:12.455>of <00:38:12.688>blockchains <00:38:12.921>being <00:38:13.154>islands <00:38:13.388>in <00:38:13.621>an <00:38:13.855>archipelago,

861
00:38:15.955 --> 00:38:17.975
<00:38:15.955>but <00:38:16.154>there <00:38:16.355>are <00:38:16.555>no <00:38:16.755>bridges <00:38:16.955>that <00:38:17.154>connect <00:38:17.355>them.

862
00:38:18.075 --> 00:38:19.775
<00:38:18.075>That's <00:38:18.308>what <00:38:18.541>Cosmos <00:38:18.774>is <00:38:19.008>trying <00:38:19.241>to <00:38:19.475>do.

863
00:38:20.755 --> 00:38:23.215
<00:38:20.755>So, <00:38:20.895>you <00:38:21.035>know, <00:38:21.175>we <00:38:21.315>are <00:38:21.455>in <00:38:21.595>it <00:38:21.735>for <00:38:21.875>the <00:38:22.015>long <00:38:22.155>term.

864
00:38:23.925 --> 00:38:26.415
<00:38:23.925>There's <00:38:24.100>no, <00:38:24.275>we <00:38:24.450>think <00:38:24.625>this <00:38:24.800>is <00:38:24.975>gonna <00:38:25.150>change <00:38:25.325>things.

865
00:38:26.535 --> 00:38:28.295
<00:38:26.535>I <00:38:26.768>mean, <00:38:27.001>we <00:38:27.234>can <00:38:27.468>talk <00:38:27.701>about <00:38:27.935>decentralization,

866
00:38:28.295 --> 00:38:29.575
<00:38:28.295>if <00:38:28.487>you <00:38:28.679>like, <00:38:28.871>as <00:38:29.063>as <00:38:29.254>a <00:38:29.446>concept.

867
00:38:30.355 --> 00:38:32.495
<00:38:30.355>Uh, <00:38:30.530>but <00:38:30.705>maybe <00:38:30.880>that's <00:38:31.055>kind <00:38:31.230>of, <00:38:31.405>you <00:38:31.580>know, <00:38:31.755>done,

868
00:38:32.525 --> 00:38:33.775
<00:38:32.525>done <00:38:32.750>that <00:38:32.975>a <00:38:33.200>bit <00:38:33.425>too <00:38:33.650>often.

869
00:38:34.395 --> 00:38:39.285
<00:38:34.395>But <00:38:34.511>the <00:38:34.628>idea <00:38:34.745>is <00:38:34.861>to <00:38:34.978>give <00:38:35.095>people <00:38:35.211>privacy <00:38:35.328>and <00:38:35.445>to <00:38:35.561>help <00:38:35.678>with <00:38:35.795>Web3

870
00:38:39.825 --> 00:38:41.605
<00:38:39.825>and <00:38:40.024>the <00:38:40.225>next <00:38:40.424>stage <00:38:40.625>of <00:38:40.825>this, <00:38:41.024>you <00:38:41.225>know,

871
00:38:41.605 --> 00:38:44.245
<00:38:41.605>because <00:38:42.071>the <00:38:42.538>amount <00:38:43.005>of

872
00:38:45.465 --> 00:38:48.205
<00:38:45.465>crypto <00:38:45.745>news <00:38:46.025>every <00:38:46.305>week <00:38:46.585>just <00:38:46.865>increases.

873
00:38:48.205 --> 00:38:52.645
<00:38:48.205>It, <00:38:48.671>increases, <00:38:49.138>increases <00:38:49.605>enormously.

874
00:38:52.805 --> 00:38:54.085
<00:38:52.805>Enormous. <00:38:53.381>Is <00:38:53.957>amazing.

875
00:38:54.945 --> 00:38:56.845
<00:38:54.945>Um, <00:38:55.295>Monte, <00:38:55.645>when <00:38:55.995>you <00:38:56.345>heard

876
00:38:57.025 --> 00:39:00.285
<00:38:57.025>for <00:38:57.258>the <00:38:57.491>first <00:38:57.725>time <00:38:57.958>the <00:38:58.191>term <00:38:58.425>blockchain,

877
00:39:00.585 --> 00:39:02.645
<00:39:00.585>or <00:39:01.051>generally <00:39:01.518>about <00:39:01.985>blockchain

878
00:39:02.645 --> 00:39:05.925
<00:39:02.645>and <00:39:02.845>cryptocurrencies, <00:39:03.045>bitcoins, <00:39:03.245>do <00:39:03.445>you <00:39:03.645>remember <00:39:03.845>what <00:39:04.045>you,

879
00:39:05.955 --> 00:39:08.325
<00:39:05.955>what <00:39:06.095>you <00:39:06.235>were <00:39:06.375>thinking <00:39:06.515>back <00:39:06.654>then, <00:39:06.795>like, <00:39:06.935>about <00:39:07.075>all <00:39:07.215>of <00:39:07.355>this?

880
00:39:08.915 --> 00:39:10.445
<00:39:08.915>Well, <00:39:09.144>it <00:39:09.374>was <00:39:09.603>funny. <00:39:09.833>I <00:39:10.062>was <00:39:10.292>working,

881
00:39:11.085 --> 00:39:14.045
<00:39:11.085>I <00:39:11.225>still <00:39:11.365>have <00:39:11.505>friendships <00:39:11.645>with <00:39:11.785>the <00:39:11.925>games <00:39:12.065>company <00:39:12.205>where <00:39:12.345>I <00:39:12.485>used

882
00:39:14.045 --> 00:39:15.765
<00:39:14.045>to <00:39:14.395>work, <00:39:14.745>and <00:39:15.095>they <00:39:15.445>used

883
00:39:15.765 --> 00:39:19.005
<00:39:15.765>to <00:39:15.892>do <00:39:16.019>this <00:39:16.146>weird <00:39:16.274>thing <00:39:16.401>called <00:39:16.528>mining, <00:39:16.655>you <00:39:16.783>know <00:39:16.910>what <00:39:17.037>I <00:39:17.165>mean?

884
00:39:19.345 --> 00:39:21.285
<00:39:19.345>For <00:39:19.544>Bitcoin. <00:39:19.745>And <00:39:19.944>it <00:39:20.145>was <00:39:20.345>like, <00:39:20.544>oh <00:39:20.745>God,

885
00:39:21.285 --> 00:39:22.845
<00:39:21.285>it's <00:39:21.634>just <00:39:21.984>gamers <00:39:22.335>being <00:39:22.685>geeks.

886
00:39:22.875 --> 00:39:27.045
<00:39:22.875>Yeah. <00:39:23.075>I <00:39:23.275>was <00:39:23.475>the <00:39:23.675>first <00:39:23.875>ever <00:39:24.075>time, <00:39:24.275>and,

887
00:39:27.045 --> 00:39:29.685
<00:39:27.045>and <00:39:27.185>again, <00:39:27.325>I <00:39:27.465>wasn't <00:39:27.605>early <00:39:27.745>to, <00:39:27.885>it <00:39:28.025>was <00:39:28.165>only <00:39:28.305>about <00:39:28.445>five,

888
00:39:29.755 --> 00:39:31.445
<00:39:29.755>five <00:39:30.221>years <00:39:30.688>ago <00:39:31.155>ago.

889
00:39:31.445 --> 00:39:32.645
<00:39:31.445>Uh, <00:39:31.599>and <00:39:31.753>then <00:39:31.907>it <00:39:32.062>was <00:39:32.216>just <00:39:32.370>a <00:39:32.525>couple

890
00:39:32.645 --> 00:39:34.525
<00:39:32.645>of <00:39:32.820>people <00:39:32.995>I <00:39:33.170>respected <00:39:33.345>said <00:39:33.520>a <00:39:33.695>couple <00:39:33.870>of <00:39:34.045>things.

891
00:39:35.345 --> 00:39:39.085
<00:39:35.345>Um, <00:39:35.500>blockchain, <00:39:35.656>what's, <00:39:35.811>what's, <00:39:35.967>I <00:39:36.122>mean, <00:39:36.278>it <00:39:36.433>took <00:39:36.589>me <00:39:36.745>ages

892
00:39:39.085 --> 00:39:41.285
<00:39:39.085>to <00:39:39.240>get <00:39:39.396>my <00:39:39.551>head <00:39:39.707>around, <00:39:39.862>you <00:39:40.018>know <00:39:40.173>what <00:39:40.329>I <00:39:40.485>mean?

893
00:39:41.285 --> 00:39:43.085
<00:39:41.285>Because <00:39:41.518>it <00:39:41.751>was <00:39:41.984>so <00:39:42.218>ridiculous. <00:39:42.451>Yeah, <00:39:42.685>absolutely.

894
00:39:43.705 --> 00:39:48.165
<00:39:43.705>The <00:39:43.845>chain <00:39:43.985>of <00:39:44.125>blocks. <00:39:44.265>Okay. <00:39:44.404>So, <00:39:44.545>oh, <00:39:44.685>that <00:39:44.825>sounds, <00:39:44.965>who's <00:39:45.105>he?

895
00:39:48.385 --> 00:39:50.925
<00:39:48.385>Is <00:39:48.540>he <00:39:48.696>real? <00:39:48.851>Is <00:39:49.007>he <00:39:49.162>not? <00:39:49.318>Is <00:39:49.473>he <00:39:49.629>a <00:39:49.785>coder?

896
00:39:51.425 --> 00:39:54.645
<00:39:51.425>Uh, <00:39:51.541>uh, <00:39:51.658>you <00:39:51.775>know, <00:39:51.891>it, <00:39:52.008>it <00:39:52.125>just, <00:39:52.241>it <00:39:52.358>took <00:39:52.475>me <00:39:52.591>a <00:39:52.708>long <00:39:52.825>time

897
00:39:54.945 --> 00:39:57.685
<00:39:54.945>to <00:39:55.145>get <00:39:55.345>the <00:39:55.545>epiphany, <00:39:55.745>and <00:39:55.945>it <00:39:56.145>wasn't <00:39:56.345>aha.

898
00:39:58.545 --> 00:40:01.325
<00:39:58.545>It <00:39:58.700>was <00:39:58.856>more <00:39:59.011>like, <00:39:59.167>well, <00:39:59.322>why <00:39:59.478>don't <00:39:59.633>I <00:39:59.789>get <00:39:59.945>paid?

899
00:40:01.585 --> 00:40:03.565
<00:40:01.585>You <00:40:01.712>know, <00:40:01.839>you, <00:40:01.966>you, <00:40:02.094>you <00:40:02.221>hear <00:40:02.348>about <00:40:02.475>the <00:40:02.603>mayor <00:40:02.730>of <00:40:02.857>New <00:40:02.985>York,

900
00:40:03.625 --> 00:40:06.165
<00:40:03.625>or <00:40:03.825>the <00:40:04.025>mayor <00:40:04.225>of <00:40:04.425>Miami <00:40:04.625>announcing <00:40:04.825>last <00:40:05.025>week

901
00:40:06.165 --> 00:40:07.845
<00:40:06.165>that <00:40:06.398>they <00:40:06.631>wanna <00:40:06.865>be <00:40:07.098>paid <00:40:07.331>a <00:40:07.565>Bitcoin

902
00:40:08.435 --> 00:40:11.045
<00:40:08.435>following <00:40:08.668>basketball <00:40:08.901>stars <00:40:09.134>and <00:40:09.368>all <00:40:09.601>that <00:40:09.835>stuff.

903
00:40:11.645 --> 00:40:13.565
<00:40:11.645>I <00:40:11.845>wanted <00:40:12.045>to <00:40:12.245>be <00:40:12.445>paid <00:40:12.645>a <00:40:12.845>Bitcoin, <00:40:13.045>uh,

904
00:40:13.585 --> 00:40:15.325
<00:40:13.585>an <00:40:13.865>Ethereum <00:40:14.145>about <00:40:14.425>four <00:40:14.705>years <00:40:14.985>ago.

905
00:40:15.985 --> 00:40:18.805
<00:40:15.985>So <00:40:16.101>I <00:40:16.218>was <00:40:16.335>early <00:40:16.451>in <00:40:16.568>that <00:40:16.685>respect. <00:40:16.801>Do <00:40:16.918>you <00:40:17.035>know <00:40:17.151>what <00:40:17.268>I <00:40:17.385>mean?

906
00:40:18.805 --> 00:40:20.005
<00:40:18.805>That <00:40:19.075>I <00:40:19.345>got <00:40:19.615>paid. <00:40:19.885>Yeah.

907
00:40:20.475 --> 00:40:22.005
<00:40:20.475>Because <00:40:20.671>I <00:40:20.868>presume <00:40:21.065>they <00:40:21.261>were <00:40:21.458>gonna <00:40:21.655>go <00:40:21.852>up,

908
00:40:22.005 --> 00:40:23.005
<00:40:22.005>and <00:40:22.305>they <00:40:22.605>did, <00:40:22.905>obviously.

909
00:40:23.785 --> 00:40:26.965
<00:40:23.785>Um, <00:40:23.901>but <00:40:24.018>I <00:40:24.134>didn't <00:40:24.251>have <00:40:24.368>a, <00:40:24.484>I <00:40:24.601>didn't <00:40:24.718>have <00:40:24.835>a <00:40:24.951>light <00:40:25.068>bulb <00:40:25.185>moment.

910
00:40:27.285 --> 00:40:29.925
<00:40:27.285>I <00:40:27.401>kind <00:40:27.518>of <00:40:27.634>had <00:40:27.751>a, <00:40:27.868>a <00:40:27.984>dimmer <00:40:28.101>moment, <00:40:28.218>you <00:40:28.335>know <00:40:28.451>what <00:40:28.568>I <00:40:28.685>mean?

911
00:40:30.185 --> 00:40:32.645
<00:40:30.185>You <00:40:30.418>know? <00:40:30.651>Yeah. <00:40:30.884>The <00:40:31.118>lights <00:40:31.351>came <00:40:31.585>on

912
00:40:33.105 --> 00:40:34.525
<00:40:33.105>And <00:40:33.360>what, <00:40:33.616>what <00:40:33.871>was <00:40:34.127>that <00:40:34.383>moment?

913
00:40:36.125 --> 00:40:37.605
<00:40:36.125>I <00:40:36.315>just <00:40:36.505>think <00:40:36.695>it <00:40:36.886>was <00:40:37.076>just, <00:40:37.266>I <00:40:37.457>think,

914
00:40:37.765 --> 00:40:39.205
<00:40:37.765>I <00:40:38.024>think <00:40:38.283>it <00:40:38.542>was <00:40:38.801>basically <00:40:39.060>more

915
00:40:39.205 --> 00:40:41.245
<00:40:39.205>of <00:40:39.485>a <00:40:39.765>political <00:40:40.045>belief <00:40:40.325>about <00:40:40.605>decentralization

916
00:40:41.865 --> 00:40:46.085
<00:40:41.865>and <00:40:42.004>the <00:40:42.145>lack <00:40:42.285>of, <00:40:42.424>lack <00:40:42.564>of <00:40:42.705>financial <00:40:42.845>education <00:40:42.984>that <00:40:43.125>I <00:40:43.265>had,

917
00:40:46.865 --> 00:40:48.805
<00:40:46.865>and <00:40:47.040>the <00:40:47.214>amount <00:40:47.390>of <00:40:47.564>times <00:40:47.740>I've <00:40:47.915>been <00:40:48.089>ripped <00:40:48.265>off

918
00:40:49.465 --> 00:40:52.765
<00:40:49.465>by <00:40:49.620>sending <00:40:49.776>you <00:40:49.931>a <00:40:50.087>thousand <00:40:50.242>dollars <00:40:50.398>and <00:40:50.553>getting <00:40:50.709>charged <00:40:50.865>$80,

919
00:40:53.265 --> 00:40:57.285
<00:40:53.265>or <00:40:53.420>getting <00:40:53.576>charged <00:40:53.731>$4 <00:40:53.887>to <00:40:54.042>use, <00:40:54.198>you <00:40:54.353>know, <00:40:54.509>A-A-A-T-M <00:40:54.665>in,

920
00:40:57.285 --> 00:40:59.605
<00:40:57.285>in <00:40:57.518>Vienna <00:40:57.751>or <00:40:57.984>in <00:40:58.218>Slovenia <00:40:58.451>or <00:40:58.685>whatever.

921
00:41:00.225 --> 00:41:02.125
<00:41:00.225>The <00:41:00.400>amount <00:41:00.575>of <00:41:00.750>times <00:41:00.924>that <00:41:01.100>I've <00:41:01.275>been <00:41:01.450>ripped <00:41:01.625>off.

922
00:41:02.825 --> 00:41:04.765
<00:41:02.825>And <00:41:03.024>I'll <00:41:03.225>give <00:41:03.424>you <00:41:03.625>one <00:41:03.825>example <00:41:04.024>about <00:41:04.225>how

923
00:41:05.475 --> 00:41:07.245
<00:41:05.475>useless <00:41:05.941>traditional <00:41:06.408>banks <00:41:06.875>are.

924
00:41:07.685 --> 00:41:11.685
<00:41:07.685>I <00:41:07.840>wrote <00:41:07.996>a <00:41:08.151>piece, <00:41:08.307>uh, <00:41:08.462>for <00:41:08.618>the <00:41:08.773>PBC <00:41:08.929>about <00:41:09.085>me,

925
00:41:11.685 --> 00:41:12.725
<00:41:11.685>the <00:41:11.919>banks <00:41:12.153>of <00:41:12.386>the <00:41:12.621>future.

926
00:41:13.225 --> 00:41:15.805
<00:41:13.225>You <00:41:13.380>might <00:41:13.536>even <00:41:13.691>like <00:41:13.847>them. <00:41:14.002>You <00:41:14.158>know <00:41:14.313>what <00:41:14.469>I <00:41:14.625>mean?

927
00:41:16.345 --> 00:41:18.045
<00:41:16.345>And <00:41:16.520>then <00:41:16.694>I <00:41:16.870>mentioned <00:41:17.044>this <00:41:17.220>story <00:41:17.395>in <00:41:17.569>the <00:41:17.745>piece,

928
00:41:18.045 --> 00:41:19.485
<00:41:18.045>and <00:41:18.261>it <00:41:18.477>was, <00:41:18.693>you <00:41:18.909>know, <00:41:19.125>I <00:41:19.341>I,

929
00:41:19.515 --> 00:41:21.725
<00:41:19.515>I've <00:41:19.748>nothing <00:41:19.981>against <00:41:20.214>Lloyd's <00:41:20.448>Bank, <00:41:20.681>they're <00:41:20.915>fine.

930
00:41:22.385 --> 00:41:24.965
<00:41:22.385>Um, <00:41:22.540>but <00:41:22.696>I <00:41:22.851>forgot <00:41:23.007>to <00:41:23.162>take <00:41:23.318>a <00:41:23.473>hundred <00:41:23.629>pounds <00:41:23.785>out

931
00:41:24.965 --> 00:41:28.685
<00:41:24.965>of <00:41:25.105>the <00:41:25.245>a <00:41:25.385>TMI <00:41:25.525>forgot <00:41:25.665>it <00:41:25.805>was <00:41:25.945>my <00:41:26.085>mistake, <00:41:26.225>you <00:41:26.365>know,

932
00:41:29.475 --> 00:41:32.565
<00:41:29.475>someone <00:41:29.708>stole <00:41:29.941>it, <00:41:30.174>you <00:41:30.408>know, <00:41:30.641>uh, <00:41:30.875>apparently.

933
00:41:33.425 --> 00:41:34.925
<00:41:33.425>So <00:41:33.593>I, <00:41:33.762>so <00:41:33.931>I <00:41:34.100>said, <00:41:34.268>I <00:41:34.437>rang <00:41:34.606>them <00:41:34.775>up

934
00:41:34.925 --> 00:41:36.645
<00:41:34.925>and <00:41:35.125>I <00:41:35.325>said, <00:41:35.525>you <00:41:35.725>know, <00:41:35.925>I've <00:41:36.125>done <00:41:36.325>this.

935
00:41:37.225 --> 00:41:39.685
<00:41:37.225>Now, <00:41:37.365>bearing <00:41:37.505>in <00:41:37.645>mind <00:41:37.785>I've <00:41:37.924>been <00:41:38.065>a <00:41:38.205>customer <00:41:38.345>for <00:41:38.485>25 <00:41:38.625>years,

936
00:41:40.525 --> 00:41:42.405
<00:41:40.525>bearing <00:41:40.758>in <00:41:40.991>mind <00:41:41.225>that <00:41:41.458>I've <00:41:41.691>been <00:41:41.925>overcharged

937
00:41:42.545 --> 00:41:43.765
<00:41:42.545>for <00:41:42.911>just <00:41:43.277>about <00:41:43.643>everything.

938
00:41:44.775 --> 00:41:46.475
<00:41:44.775>Any <00:41:45.475>normal <00:41:46.175>neobank

939
00:41:46.735 --> 00:41:49.435
<00:41:46.735>or <00:41:46.890>new <00:41:47.046>FinTech <00:41:47.201>would <00:41:47.357>just <00:41:47.512>say, <00:41:47.668>don't <00:41:47.823>worry <00:41:47.979>about <00:41:48.135>it.

940
00:41:50.375 --> 00:41:52.075
<00:41:50.375>You <00:41:50.655>know, <00:41:50.935>we, <00:41:51.215>we'll <00:41:51.495>reimburse <00:41:51.775>you

941
00:41:52.075 --> 00:41:53.555
<00:41:52.075>with <00:41:52.265>a <00:41:52.455>hundred <00:41:52.645>pounds, <00:41:52.836>you're <00:41:53.026>a <00:41:53.216>great <00:41:53.406>customer.

942
00:41:53.935 --> 00:41:57.035
<00:41:53.935>Mm-hmm. <00:41:54.090>But <00:41:54.246>the <00:41:54.401>bank <00:41:54.557>said, <00:41:54.712>oh, <00:41:54.868>we're <00:41:55.023>gonna <00:41:55.179>investigate <00:41:55.335>it.

943
00:41:57.695 --> 00:42:01.475
<00:41:57.695>And <00:41:57.822>it <00:41:57.949>took <00:41:58.076>six <00:41:58.204>weeks <00:41:58.331>for <00:41:58.458>them <00:41:58.585>to <00:41:58.713>look <00:41:58.840>at <00:41:58.967>camera <00:41:59.095>footage,

944
00:42:02.215 --> 00:42:04.035
<00:42:02.215>to <00:42:02.415>look <00:42:02.615>at <00:42:02.815>all <00:42:03.015>of <00:42:03.215>these <00:42:03.415>things, <00:42:03.615>to,

945
00:42:04.055 --> 00:42:05.395
<00:42:04.055>to <00:42:04.256>find <00:42:04.457>out <00:42:04.658>what <00:42:04.859>time <00:42:05.060>it <00:42:05.261>was.

946
00:42:05.895 --> 00:42:07.675
<00:42:05.895>And <00:42:06.070>then <00:42:06.245>they <00:42:06.420>said <00:42:06.595>that, <00:42:06.770>no, <00:42:06.945>it's <00:42:07.120>been <00:42:07.295>stolen.

947
00:42:07.815 --> 00:42:10.515
<00:42:07.815>We <00:42:07.970>can't <00:42:08.126>give <00:42:08.281>you <00:42:08.437>your <00:42:08.592>money <00:42:08.748>back. <00:42:08.903>I <00:42:09.059>mean, <00:42:09.215>it

948
00:42:10.745 --> 00:42:11.745
<00:42:10.745>Cost, <00:42:10.970>yeah. <00:42:11.194>There <00:42:11.420>is <00:42:11.645>no

949
00:42:11.745 --> 00:42:13.035
<00:42:11.745>customer <00:42:12.325>service <00:42:12.906>anymore.

950
00:42:13.135 --> 00:42:14.195
<00:42:13.135>You <00:42:13.294>know <00:42:13.453>what <00:42:13.612>I <00:42:13.771>mean? <00:42:13.930>No, <00:42:14.089>it

951
00:42:14.385 --> 00:42:16.275
<00:42:14.385>Costing <00:42:14.618>Thousands <00:42:14.851>of, <00:42:15.085>of <00:42:15.318>course, <00:42:15.551>it's <00:42:15.785>money,

952
00:42:16.295 --> 00:42:17.715
<00:42:16.295>and <00:42:16.550>it's <00:42:16.806>banking <00:42:17.061>and <00:42:17.317>it's <00:42:17.573>finance,

953
00:42:17.855 --> 00:42:20.755
<00:42:17.855>but <00:42:18.010>at <00:42:18.166>the <00:42:18.321>end, <00:42:18.477>I <00:42:18.632>mean, <00:42:18.788>it's <00:42:18.943>about <00:42:19.099>people, <00:42:19.255>right?

954
00:42:20.895 --> 00:42:24.555
<00:42:20.895>And, <00:42:21.095>um, <00:42:21.295>No <00:42:21.495>matter <00:42:21.695>what's <00:42:21.895>the <00:42:22.095>pro <00:42:22.295>product,

955
00:42:24.655 --> 00:42:27.355
<00:42:24.655>if <00:42:24.782>you're <00:42:24.909>in <00:42:25.036>a <00:42:25.164>restaurant <00:42:25.291>or <00:42:25.418>a <00:42:25.545>pizza, <00:42:25.673>if <00:42:25.800>you <00:42:25.927>say, <00:42:26.055>okay,

956
00:42:27.355 --> 00:42:28.715
<00:42:27.355>it's <00:42:27.599>maybe <00:42:27.844>not <00:42:28.089>the <00:42:28.334>best <00:42:28.579>one,

957
00:42:28.735 --> 00:42:31.835
<00:42:28.735>or <00:42:28.935>there <00:42:29.135>something <00:42:29.335>mistaken, <00:42:29.535>then, <00:42:29.735>uh, <00:42:29.935>you <00:42:30.135>kind

958
00:42:31.835 --> 00:42:32.875
<00:42:31.835>of <00:42:32.147>get <00:42:32.459>a <00:42:32.771>compensation

959
00:42:33.015 --> 00:42:35.915
<00:42:33.015>or <00:42:33.131>they <00:42:33.248>kind <00:42:33.365>of <00:42:33.481>try <00:42:33.598>to <00:42:33.714>be <00:42:33.831>nice <00:42:33.948>to <00:42:34.065>you, <00:42:34.181>it <00:42:34.298>doesn't <00:42:34.415>matter.

960
00:42:35.985 --> 00:42:38.435
<00:42:35.985>Yeah. <00:42:36.140>And <00:42:36.296>even <00:42:36.451>with <00:42:36.607>the <00:42:36.762>software <00:42:36.918>as <00:42:37.073>a <00:42:37.229>service <00:42:37.385>products,

961
00:42:38.435 --> 00:42:40.675
<00:42:38.435>if <00:42:38.590>you <00:42:38.746>are <00:42:38.901>not <00:42:39.057>satisfied, <00:42:39.212>you <00:42:39.368>kind <00:42:39.523>of, <00:42:39.679>you <00:42:39.835>know,

962
00:42:40.735 --> 00:42:42.955
<00:42:40.735>always <00:42:40.890>get <00:42:41.046>a <00:42:41.201>way <00:42:41.357>around <00:42:41.512>to, <00:42:41.668>to <00:42:41.823>speak <00:42:41.979>with <00:42:42.135>people.

963
00:42:43.435 --> 00:42:45.195
<00:42:43.435>I <00:42:43.610>think <00:42:43.785>the <00:42:43.960>finance <00:42:44.134>industry <00:42:44.310>is <00:42:44.485>a <00:42:44.660>bit <00:42:44.835>of,

964
00:42:45.415 --> 00:42:48.035
<00:42:45.415>um, <00:42:45.765>how <00:42:46.115>do <00:42:46.465>you <00:42:46.815>say?

965
00:42:48.255 --> 00:42:52.925
<00:42:48.255>How <00:42:48.410>would <00:42:48.566>I <00:42:48.721>say? <00:42:48.877>Uh, <00:42:49.032>um, <00:42:49.188>they <00:42:49.343>are <00:42:49.499>still <00:42:49.655>trying

966
00:42:52.945 --> 00:42:55.885
<00:42:52.945>to <00:42:53.225>get <00:42:53.505>into <00:42:53.785>the <00:42:54.065>new <00:42:54.345>century.

967
00:42:57.155 --> 00:42:59.445
<00:42:57.155>Well, <00:42:57.355>they <00:42:57.555>are, <00:42:57.755>but <00:42:57.955>they've <00:42:58.155>got <00:42:58.355>really, <00:42:58.555>really

968
00:43:00.115 --> 00:43:03.165
<00:43:00.115>rubbish <00:43:00.314>coding <00:43:00.515>infrastructure, <00:43:00.714>you <00:43:00.915>know <00:43:01.115>what <00:43:01.314>I <00:43:01.515>mean?

969
00:43:03.785 --> 00:43:06.325
<00:43:03.785>It <00:43:03.940>is, <00:43:04.096>there's <00:43:04.251>crypto <00:43:04.407>is <00:43:04.562>the <00:43:04.718>same <00:43:04.873>as <00:43:05.029>Fit <00:43:05.185>Tech.

970
00:43:06.985 --> 00:43:09.805
<00:43:06.985>The <00:43:07.140>old <00:43:07.296>banks <00:43:07.451>either <00:43:07.607>want <00:43:07.762>work <00:43:07.918>with <00:43:08.073>the <00:43:08.229>new <00:43:08.385>guys,

971
00:43:10.585 --> 00:43:13.565
<00:43:10.585>or <00:43:10.760>the <00:43:10.935>old <00:43:11.110>guys, <00:43:11.285>or <00:43:11.460>old <00:43:11.635>women, <00:43:11.810>you <00:43:11.985>know,

972
00:43:13.825 --> 00:43:17.445
<00:43:13.825>or <00:43:14.024>whatever, <00:43:14.225>wanna <00:43:14.424>just <00:43:14.625>destroy <00:43:14.825>them, <00:43:15.024>you <00:43:15.225>know?

973
00:43:17.665 --> 00:43:19.245
<00:43:17.665>And, <00:43:17.898>and, <00:43:18.131>and <00:43:18.365>it's <00:43:18.598>just <00:43:18.831>so <00:43:19.065>stupid.

974
00:43:20.025 --> 00:43:22.045
<00:43:20.025>But, <00:43:20.200>but, <00:43:20.375>but <00:43:20.550>in <00:43:20.725>answer <00:43:20.900>to <00:43:21.075>your <00:43:21.250>question, <00:43:21.425>is

975
00:43:22.045 --> 00:43:24.765
<00:43:22.045>that <00:43:22.200>why <00:43:22.356>I <00:43:22.511>got <00:43:22.667>really <00:43:22.822>interested <00:43:22.978>in <00:43:23.133>it, <00:43:23.289>was <00:43:23.445>literally

976
00:43:24.885 --> 00:43:27.805
<00:43:24.885>that <00:43:25.118>the <00:43:25.351>decentralization <00:43:25.585>of <00:43:25.818>stuff, <00:43:26.051>you <00:43:26.285>know?

977
00:43:27.805 --> 00:43:29.925
<00:43:27.805>Mm-hmm. <00:43:28.004>I <00:43:28.205>wanna <00:43:28.404>spend <00:43:28.605>you <00:43:28.805>a <00:43:29.004>thousand <00:43:29.205>dollars.

978
00:43:30.065 --> 00:43:32.005
<00:43:30.065>If <00:43:30.240>I <00:43:30.415>give <00:43:30.590>you <00:43:30.765>a <00:43:30.940>thousand <00:43:31.115>dollars <00:43:31.290>in <00:43:31.465>Vienna,

979
00:43:32.065 --> 00:43:34.645
<00:43:32.065>or <00:43:32.205>you <00:43:32.345>come <00:43:32.485>to <00:43:32.625>Bright, <00:43:32.765>you <00:43:32.905>just <00:43:33.045>hand <00:43:33.185>it <00:43:33.325>to <00:43:33.465>me.

980
00:43:34.695 --> 00:43:36.445
<00:43:34.695>There <00:43:34.928>isn't <00:43:35.161>a <00:43:35.395>guy <00:43:35.628>that <00:43:35.861>stands <00:43:36.095>there,

981
00:43:36.505 --> 00:43:39.165
<00:43:36.505>or <00:43:36.632>a <00:43:36.759>woman <00:43:36.886>that <00:43:37.014>stands <00:43:37.141>there <00:43:37.268>and <00:43:37.395>says, <00:43:37.523>Hey, <00:43:37.650>I <00:43:37.777>want <00:43:37.905>80.

982
00:43:40.135 --> 00:43:41.685
<00:43:40.135>We're <00:43:40.600>perfectly <00:43:41.065>cool <00:43:41.529>together.

983
00:43:42.545 --> 00:43:43.805
<00:43:42.545>We <00:43:42.771>don't <00:43:42.998>need <00:43:43.225>the <00:43:43.452>middle <00:43:43.679>mail.

984
00:43:44.265 --> 00:43:45.845
<00:43:44.265>You <00:43:44.731>know? <00:43:45.198>Yeah, <00:43:45.665>absolutely.

985
00:43:46.185 --> 00:43:47.845
<00:43:46.185>And <00:43:46.384>that's <00:43:46.585>pretty <00:43:46.785>much <00:43:46.985>what <00:43:47.185>I <00:43:47.384>believe <00:43:47.585>in.

986
00:43:47.885 --> 00:43:50.805
<00:43:47.885>I <00:43:48.040>I <00:43:48.196>think <00:43:48.351>that <00:43:48.507>when <00:43:48.662>it <00:43:48.818>comes <00:43:48.973>to <00:43:49.129>governments <00:43:49.285>or,

987
00:43:51.265 --> 00:43:55.085
<00:43:51.265>or <00:43:51.440>anything, <00:43:51.615>banking, <00:43:51.790>anything, <00:43:51.964>we've <00:43:52.140>never <00:43:52.315>worked <00:43:52.490>out <00:43:52.665>how

988
00:43:55.085 --> 00:43:56.165
<00:43:55.085>to <00:43:55.571>centralize <00:43:56.057>stuff.

989
00:43:56.535 --> 00:43:59.965
<00:43:56.535>Right? <00:43:56.734>We're <00:43:56.935>perfectly <00:43:57.134>happy <00:43:57.335>in <00:43:57.535>our <00:43:57.734>own <00:43:57.935>communities,

990
00:43:59.965 --> 00:44:02.565
<00:43:59.965>with <00:44:00.105>our <00:44:00.245>own <00:44:00.385>tribe, <00:44:00.525>with <00:44:00.665>our <00:44:00.805>own <00:44:00.945>people, <00:44:01.085>our <00:44:01.225>own <00:44:01.365>people.

991
00:44:02.565 --> 00:44:05.445
<00:44:02.565>We <00:44:02.681>don't <00:44:02.798>need <00:44:02.915>anyone <00:44:03.031>else <00:44:03.148>to, <00:44:03.265>to <00:44:03.381>help <00:44:03.498>us <00:44:03.615>do <00:44:03.731>what <00:44:03.848>we <00:44:03.965>do.

992
00:44:06.065 --> 00:44:09.205
<00:44:06.065>So <00:44:06.192>it's, <00:44:06.319>it's <00:44:06.446>pretty <00:44:06.574>much <00:44:06.701>as, <00:44:06.828>as <00:44:06.955>macro <00:44:07.083>as <00:44:07.210>that <00:44:07.337>for <00:44:07.465>me.

993
00:44:09.265 --> 00:44:10.165
<00:44:09.265>You <00:44:09.426>know <00:44:09.589>what <00:44:09.750>I <00:44:09.913>mean? <00:44:10.075>It's

994
00:44:10.305 --> 00:44:12.005
<00:44:10.305>decentralization, <00:44:10.654>I <00:44:11.004>believe <00:44:11.355>in <00:44:11.705>it.

995
00:44:13.835 --> 00:44:16.965
<00:44:13.835>Okay. <00:44:14.010>We <00:44:14.185>are, <00:44:14.360>we <00:44:14.535>are <00:44:14.710>seeing <00:44:14.885>kind <00:44:15.060>of <00:44:15.235>evolution

996
00:44:17.485 --> 00:44:20.125
<00:44:17.485>revolution <00:44:17.718>in <00:44:17.951>the <00:44:18.185>financial <00:44:18.418>industry <00:44:18.651>with, <00:44:18.885>um,

997
00:44:20.785 --> 00:44:22.285
<00:44:20.785>all <00:44:21.122>the <00:44:21.460>fintechs <00:44:21.797>out <00:44:22.134>there

998
00:44:22.545 --> 00:44:26.365
<00:44:22.545>and <00:44:22.745>decentralizing, <00:44:22.945>uh, <00:44:23.145>financial <00:44:23.345>services <00:44:23.545>and <00:44:23.745>so <00:44:23.945>on.

999
00:44:26.905 --> 00:44:31.245
<00:44:26.905>Um, <00:44:27.045>as <00:44:27.185>someone <00:44:27.325>who <00:44:27.465>is <00:44:27.605>basically, <00:44:27.745>as <00:44:27.885>you <00:44:28.025>said, <00:44:28.165>like, <00:44:28.305>uh,

1000
00:44:31.605 --> 00:44:33.045
<00:44:31.605>involved <00:44:31.929>in, <00:44:32.253>in <00:44:32.577>many <00:44:32.901>things,

1001
00:44:33.305 --> 00:44:37.885
<00:44:33.305>and, <00:44:33.444>um, <00:44:33.585>as <00:44:33.725>someone <00:44:33.865>who <00:44:34.004>thinks <00:44:34.145>to, <00:44:34.285>to <00:44:34.424>smell <00:44:34.565>things <00:44:34.705>coming,

1002
00:44:38.585 --> 00:44:41.285
<00:44:38.585>um, <00:44:38.760>do <00:44:38.935>you <00:44:39.110>think <00:44:39.285>what, <00:44:39.460>what <00:44:39.635>is <00:44:39.810>the <00:44:39.985>next,

1003
00:44:41.475 --> 00:44:43.645
<00:44:41.475>what <00:44:41.630>is <00:44:41.786>the <00:44:41.941>next <00:44:42.097>big <00:44:42.252>thing <00:44:42.408>or <00:44:42.563>what, <00:44:42.719>what <00:44:42.875>comes

1004
00:44:43.645 --> 00:44:46.405
<00:44:43.645>after <00:44:43.845>that, <00:44:44.045>especially <00:44:44.245>in <00:44:44.445>the <00:44:44.645>financial <00:44:44.845>industry? <00:44:45.045>Well,

1005
00:44:46.525 --> 00:44:47.925
<00:44:46.525>I <00:44:46.705>think <00:44:46.885>what's <00:44:47.065>going <00:44:47.245>on <00:44:47.425>at <00:44:47.605>the <00:44:47.785>moment,

1006
00:44:48.385 --> 00:44:49.645
<00:44:48.385>and <00:44:48.611>which <00:44:48.838>is <00:44:49.065>the <00:44:49.292>big <00:44:49.519>fire

1007
00:44:50.475 --> 00:44:52.605
<00:44:50.475>that <00:44:50.708>everyone <00:44:50.941>is <00:44:51.174>smelling <00:44:51.408>as <00:44:51.641>NFTs, <00:44:51.875>right?

1008
00:44:53.155 --> 00:44:55.445
<00:44:53.155>Yeah. <00:44:53.505>Non, <00:44:53.855>non <00:44:54.205>fungible <00:44:54.555>tokens.

1009
00:44:55.565 --> 00:44:57.325
<00:44:55.565>I, <00:44:55.765>I <00:44:55.965>don't <00:44:56.165>think <00:44:56.365>that <00:44:56.565>many <00:44:56.765>people <00:44:56.965>knew

1010
00:44:57.325 --> 00:44:59.885
<00:44:57.325>what <00:44:57.558>fungible <00:44:57.791>meant <00:44:58.024>12 <00:44:58.258>months <00:44:58.491>ago. <00:44:58.725>Yeah.

1011
00:44:59.925 --> 00:45:01.165
<00:44:59.925>I <00:45:00.148>mean, <00:45:00.371>let's <00:45:00.594>explain <00:45:00.817>it <00:45:01.041>first

1012
00:45:01.165 --> 00:45:03.845
<00:45:01.165>because <00:45:01.365>there's <00:45:01.565>so <00:45:01.765>many <00:45:01.965>people, <00:45:02.165>even <00:45:02.365>developers, <00:45:02.565>um,

1013
00:45:03.845 --> 00:45:07.565
<00:45:03.845>struggling <00:45:04.000>with, <00:45:04.156>uh, <00:45:04.311>I <00:45:04.467>mean, <00:45:04.622>not <00:45:04.778>only <00:45:04.933>the <00:45:05.089>term <00:45:05.245>nft,

1014
00:45:07.565 --> 00:45:09.845
<00:45:07.565>but <00:45:07.720>let's, <00:45:07.876>let's <00:45:08.031>say <00:45:08.187>like, <00:45:08.342>what's <00:45:08.498>the <00:45:08.653>purpose <00:45:08.809>of <00:45:08.965>it?

1015
00:45:09.845 --> 00:45:12.765
<00:45:09.845>Like, <00:45:10.078>what, <00:45:10.311>what, <00:45:10.544>why <00:45:10.778>is <00:45:11.011>it <00:45:11.245>there?

1016
00:45:13.425 --> 00:45:15.365
<00:45:13.425>And, <00:45:13.658>and, <00:45:13.891>and <00:45:14.125>is <00:45:14.358>it <00:45:14.591>a <00:45:14.825>hype

1017
00:45:15.585 --> 00:45:18.765
<00:45:15.585>or <00:45:15.712>is <00:45:15.839>it <00:45:15.966>something <00:45:16.094>that <00:45:16.221>truly <00:45:16.348>is <00:45:16.475>there <00:45:16.603>to, <00:45:16.730>to, <00:45:16.857>to <00:45:16.985>stay?

1018
00:45:18.945 --> 00:45:20.925
<00:45:18.945>Or, <00:45:19.225>or <00:45:19.505>what <00:45:19.785>do <00:45:20.065>you <00:45:20.345>think?

1019
00:45:21.605 --> 00:45:23.645
<00:45:21.605>I <00:45:21.780>think <00:45:21.955>everything's <00:45:22.130>a <00:45:22.305>hype <00:45:22.480>right <00:45:22.655>at <00:45:22.830>the <00:45:23.005>beginning.

1020
00:45:23.765 --> 00:45:24.885
<00:45:23.765>Everything's <00:45:24.269>a <00:45:24.773>hype.

1021
00:45:25.425 --> 00:45:28.365
<00:45:25.425>You <00:45:25.552>know, <00:45:25.679>you, <00:45:25.806>you, <00:45:25.934>you <00:45:26.061>see <00:45:26.188>this <00:45:26.315>guy <00:45:26.443>said <00:45:26.570>his <00:45:26.697>what <00:45:26.825>artwork

1022
00:45:28.365 --> 00:45:31.485
<00:45:28.365>for <00:45:28.520>$70 <00:45:28.676>million, <00:45:28.831>so <00:45:28.987>and <00:45:29.142>so, <00:45:29.298>so <00:45:29.453>and <00:45:29.609>so, <00:45:29.765>so

1023
00:45:31.485 --> 00:45:34.605
<00:45:31.485>and <00:45:31.625>so <00:45:31.765>does <00:45:31.905>this, <00:45:32.045>does <00:45:32.185>that, <00:45:32.325>you <00:45:32.465>know, <00:45:32.605>it's, <00:45:32.745>but, <00:45:32.885>but,

1024
00:45:34.625 --> 00:45:37.485
<00:45:34.625>but <00:45:34.825>most <00:45:35.025>things <00:45:35.225>are, <00:45:35.425>hypes <00:45:35.625>generally <00:45:35.825>become <00:45:36.025>mainstream,

1025
00:45:38.265 --> 00:45:40.085
<00:45:38.265>so <00:45:38.498>you <00:45:38.731>can't <00:45:38.964>ignore <00:45:39.198>what's <00:45:39.431>going <00:45:39.665>on.

1026
00:45:40.205 --> 00:45:41.965
<00:45:40.205>I <00:45:40.380>think <00:45:40.555>it's <00:45:40.730>over <00:45:40.904>hypes <00:45:41.080>at <00:45:41.255>the <00:45:41.430>moment. <00:45:41.605>Absolutely.

1027
00:45:42.465 --> 00:45:47.245
<00:45:42.465>But <00:45:42.605>it's, <00:45:42.745>it's <00:45:42.885>coming. <00:45:43.025>Well, <00:45:43.165>I <00:45:43.305>mean, <00:45:43.445>I've <00:45:43.585>said <00:45:43.725>to <00:45:43.865>my

1028
00:45:47.785 --> 00:45:51.645
<00:45:47.785>friend <00:45:47.960>yesterday, <00:45:48.134>if <00:45:48.310>someone <00:45:48.484>says <00:45:48.660>the <00:45:48.835>word <00:45:49.009>metaverse <00:45:49.185>again

1029
00:45:51.705 --> 00:45:54.565
<00:45:51.705>to <00:45:51.860>me, <00:45:52.016>they're <00:45:52.171>either <00:45:52.327>going <00:45:52.482>to <00:45:52.638>buy <00:45:52.793>me <00:45:52.949>a <00:45:53.105>drink

1030
00:45:54.625 --> 00:45:55.685
<00:45:54.625>or <00:45:54.815>end <00:45:55.006>up <00:45:55.197>in <00:45:55.388>the <00:45:55.578>ditch.

1031
00:45:56.585 --> 00:45:59.605
<00:45:56.585>You <00:45:56.701>know <00:45:56.818>what <00:45:56.935>I <00:45:57.051>mean? <00:45:57.168>But <00:45:57.285>the <00:45:57.401>way <00:45:57.518>that <00:45:57.635>I <00:45:57.751>think <00:45:57.868>about <00:45:57.985>it,

1032
00:45:59.665 --> 00:46:03.765
<00:45:59.665>as <00:45:59.805>someone <00:45:59.945>that <00:46:00.085>was <00:46:00.225>against <00:46:00.365>technology <00:46:00.505>for <00:46:00.645>15 <00:46:00.785>years, <00:46:00.925>uh, <00:46:01.065>I,

1033
00:46:03.885 --> 00:46:05.325
<00:46:03.885>I, <00:46:04.144>I <00:46:04.403>might <00:46:04.662>be <00:46:04.921>against <00:46:05.181>this

1034
00:46:06.035 --> 00:46:09.445
<00:46:06.035>because <00:46:06.162>I <00:46:06.289>don't <00:46:06.416>wanna <00:46:06.544>live, <00:46:06.671>I, <00:46:06.798>I <00:46:06.925>wanna <00:46:07.053>talk <00:46:07.180>to <00:46:07.307>you, <00:46:07.435>man,

1035
00:46:09.835 --> 00:46:11.885
<00:46:09.835>face <00:46:10.035>to <00:46:10.235>face, <00:46:10.435>you <00:46:10.635>know, <00:46:10.835>I <00:46:11.035>don't <00:46:11.235>want

1036
00:46:11.885 --> 00:46:13.885
<00:46:11.885>to <00:46:12.085>be <00:46:12.285>doing <00:46:12.485>this <00:46:12.685>interview <00:46:12.885>on <00:46:13.085>Zoom <00:46:13.285>Yeah.

1037
00:46:13.885 --> 00:46:15.765
<00:46:13.885>Where <00:46:14.085>I <00:46:14.285>put <00:46:14.485>a <00:46:14.685>hat <00:46:14.885>on <00:46:15.085>in <00:46:15.285>Bright,

1038
00:46:15.765 --> 00:46:17.405
<00:46:15.765>and <00:46:15.964>then <00:46:16.165>we're <00:46:16.365>looking <00:46:16.565>at, <00:46:16.765>you <00:46:16.964>know, <00:46:17.165>lags

1039
00:46:17.405 --> 00:46:19.725
<00:46:17.405>and <00:46:17.532>times, <00:46:17.659>you <00:46:17.786>know, <00:46:17.914>I <00:46:18.041>just <00:46:18.168>want <00:46:18.295>be <00:46:18.423>in <00:46:18.550>the <00:46:18.677>same <00:46:18.805>room

1040
00:46:19.725 --> 00:46:21.205
<00:46:19.725>as <00:46:19.947>you <00:46:20.169>having <00:46:20.391>the <00:46:20.613>chat, <00:46:20.835>you <00:46:21.057>know,

1041
00:46:22.395 --> 00:46:25.365
<00:46:22.395>trap <00:46:22.595>you <00:46:22.795>on <00:46:22.995>the <00:46:23.195>arm <00:46:23.395>absolutely <00:46:23.595>Smelling <00:46:23.795>you.

1042
00:46:25.985 --> 00:46:28.845
<00:46:25.985>I'm <00:46:26.160>just <00:46:26.335>saying, <00:46:26.510>it's <00:46:26.685>all, <00:46:26.860>we're <00:46:27.035>doing <00:46:27.210>something <00:46:27.385>sight

1043
00:46:28.865 --> 00:46:31.485
<00:46:28.865>and <00:46:29.098>sound, <00:46:29.331>two <00:46:29.564>senses <00:46:29.798>out <00:46:30.031>of <00:46:30.265>five.

1044
00:46:31.955 --> 00:46:35.285
<00:46:31.955>Yeah. <00:46:32.130>Right? <00:46:32.305>Absolutely. <00:46:32.480>And, <00:46:32.654>and <00:46:32.830>I <00:46:33.005>like <00:46:33.180>being <00:46:33.355>human.

1045
00:46:36.005 --> 00:46:37.365
<00:46:36.005>I <00:46:36.249>like <00:46:36.494>screwing <00:46:36.739>up. <00:46:36.984>I <00:46:37.229>like,

1046
00:46:37.585 --> 00:46:40.685
<00:46:37.585>But <00:46:37.740>then <00:46:37.896>what's <00:46:38.051>the <00:46:38.207>purpose <00:46:38.362>of, <00:46:38.518>of, <00:46:38.673>of, <00:46:38.829>of <00:46:38.985>NFTs?

1047
00:46:41.275 --> 00:46:43.285
<00:46:41.275>Well, <00:46:41.450>it's <00:46:41.625>because <00:46:41.800>people, <00:46:41.975>that <00:46:42.150>there <00:46:42.325>are <00:46:42.500>other <00:46:42.675>people

1048
00:46:43.285 --> 00:46:44.965
<00:46:43.285>who <00:46:43.565>are <00:46:43.845>younger <00:46:44.125>than <00:46:44.404>me, <00:46:44.685>uh,

1049
00:46:45.185 --> 00:46:48.805
<00:46:45.185>really <00:46:45.340>enjoy <00:46:45.496>their <00:46:45.651>online <00:46:45.807>lives, <00:46:45.962>you <00:46:46.118>know <00:46:46.273>what <00:46:46.429>I <00:46:46.585>mean?

1050
00:46:48.805 --> 00:46:50.165
<00:46:48.805>Yeah. <00:46:49.009>I <00:46:49.212>think <00:46:49.417>everyone <00:46:49.621>will <00:46:49.825>be <00:46:50.029>sucked

1051
00:46:50.195 --> 00:46:51.485
<00:46:50.195>into <00:46:50.427>the <00:46:50.659>computer <00:46:50.891>at <00:46:51.123>the <00:46:51.356>end.

1052
00:46:52.025 --> 00:46:54.005
<00:46:52.025>You <00:46:52.180>know <00:46:52.336>what <00:46:52.491>I <00:46:52.647>mean? <00:46:52.802>They're <00:46:52.958>more <00:46:53.113>powerful, <00:46:53.269>the <00:46:53.425>computer.

1053
00:46:54.005 --> 00:46:55.845
<00:46:54.005>Yeah, <00:46:54.238>absolutely. <00:46:54.471>You'll <00:46:54.705>probably <00:46:54.938>be <00:46:55.171>able <00:46:55.405>to,

1054
00:46:56.065 --> 00:46:57.125
<00:46:56.065>you'll <00:46:56.542>probably <00:46:57.019>able

1055
00:46:57.125 --> 00:46:59.925
<00:46:57.125>to <00:46:57.325>find <00:46:57.525>some <00:46:57.725>two <00:46:57.925>new <00:46:58.125>new <00:46:58.325>tech <00:46:58.525>technology

1056
00:47:00.475 --> 00:47:02.925
<00:47:00.475>that <00:47:00.650>could <00:47:00.825>create <00:47:01.000>life, <00:47:01.174>you <00:47:01.350>know <00:47:01.525>what <00:47:01.700>I <00:47:01.875>mean?

1057
00:47:03.195 --> 00:47:06.045
<00:47:03.195>Yeah. <00:47:03.350>You <00:47:03.506>have <00:47:03.661>these <00:47:03.817>Googles <00:47:03.972>and <00:47:04.128>Googles <00:47:04.283>and <00:47:04.439>Google <00:47:04.595>bits

1058
00:47:06.045 --> 00:47:08.605
<00:47:06.045>or <00:47:06.185>whatever, <00:47:06.325>and <00:47:06.465>it'll <00:47:06.605>be <00:47:06.745>like, <00:47:06.885>if <00:47:07.025>you <00:47:07.165>play <00:47:07.305>this <00:47:07.445>game,

1059
00:47:08.665 --> 00:47:10.565
<00:47:08.665>you <00:47:08.945>can <00:47:09.225>create <00:47:09.505>life, <00:47:09.785>you <00:47:10.065>know?

1060
00:47:10.885 --> 00:47:12.445
<00:47:10.885>I <00:47:11.118>think <00:47:11.351>maybe <00:47:11.585>that's <00:47:11.818>where <00:47:12.051>we <00:47:12.285>began,

1061
00:47:12.905 --> 00:47:14.645
<00:47:12.905>And <00:47:13.138>we'll <00:47:13.371>be <00:47:13.605>in <00:47:13.838>this <00:47:14.071>metaverse, <00:47:14.305>right?

1062
00:47:15.035 --> 00:47:18.765
<00:47:15.035>Yeah. <00:47:15.384>They <00:47:15.734>like, <00:47:16.085>don't <00:47:16.435>say

1063
00:47:18.765 --> 00:47:23.525
<00:47:18.765>Metaverse <00:47:19.464>Matrix. <00:47:20.165>We'll

1064
00:47:23.525 --> 00:47:27.645
<00:47:23.525>Pay <00:47:23.725>some <00:47:23.925>cryptocurrencies <00:47:24.125>and <00:47:24.325>we <00:47:24.525>will <00:47:24.725>own <00:47:24.925>NFTs.

1065
00:47:27.745 --> 00:47:30.125
<00:47:27.745>And <00:47:27.978>basically <00:47:28.211>that's, <00:47:28.444>that <00:47:28.678>will <00:47:28.911>be <00:47:29.145>life.

1066
00:47:30.745 --> 00:47:33.645
<00:47:30.745>But <00:47:30.884>it's <00:47:31.025>not <00:47:31.165>just <00:47:31.305>about <00:47:31.444>that <00:47:31.585>cf, <00:47:31.725>right? <00:47:31.865>It's <00:47:32.005>about <00:47:32.145>status.

1067
00:47:34.465 --> 00:47:36.405
<00:47:34.465>Mm. <00:47:34.665>You <00:47:34.865>know <00:47:35.065>what <00:47:35.265>I <00:47:35.465>mean? <00:47:35.665>The <00:47:35.865>reason

1068
00:47:37.105 --> 00:47:38.285
<00:47:37.105>That's <00:47:37.370>a <00:47:37.636>good <00:47:37.901>point. <00:47:38.167>Yes.

1069
00:47:38.675 --> 00:47:41.885
<00:47:38.675>Yeah. <00:47:38.850>$200 <00:47:39.025>million <00:47:39.200>in <00:47:39.375>a, <00:47:39.550>in <00:47:39.725>a <00:47:39.900>Picasso. <00:47:40.075>Yeah.

1070
00:47:41.915 --> 00:47:44.965
<00:47:41.915>It's <00:47:42.070>not <00:47:42.226>even <00:47:42.381>to <00:47:42.537>show <00:47:42.692>it, <00:47:42.848>it's <00:47:43.003>to <00:47:43.159>have <00:47:43.315>it

1071
00:47:46.025 --> 00:47:47.765
<00:47:46.025>and <00:47:46.258>to <00:47:46.491>know <00:47:46.725>people <00:47:46.958>that <00:47:47.191>you <00:47:47.425>haven't.

1072
00:47:48.585 --> 00:47:51.045
<00:47:48.585>And <00:47:48.740>there <00:47:48.896>are <00:47:49.051>all <00:47:49.207>things <00:47:49.362>that <00:47:49.518>can <00:47:49.673>happen <00:47:49.829>with <00:47:49.985>NFTs.

1073
00:47:51.545 --> 00:47:55.845
<00:47:51.545>You <00:47:51.700>know, <00:47:51.856>that <00:47:52.011>person <00:47:52.167>may <00:47:52.322>spend <00:47:52.478>$50 <00:47:52.633>million <00:47:52.789>on, <00:47:52.945>on,

1074
00:47:55.845 --> 00:47:59.525
<00:47:55.845>on <00:47:56.044>a <00:47:56.245>piece <00:47:56.444>of <00:47:56.645>artwork, <00:47:56.845>NFT <00:47:57.044>may <00:47:57.245>offer,

1075
00:48:00.215 --> 00:48:02.365
<00:48:00.215>share <00:48:00.448>a <00:48:00.681>pixel <00:48:00.915>for <00:48:01.148>$1 <00:48:01.381>with <00:48:01.615>people.

1076
00:48:02.425 --> 00:48:04.165
<00:48:02.425>So <00:48:02.658>you <00:48:02.891>can <00:48:03.125>own <00:48:03.358>it. <00:48:03.591>He <00:48:03.825>may,

1077
00:48:05.345 --> 00:48:08.005
<00:48:05.345>she <00:48:05.625>may <00:48:05.904>open <00:48:06.185>access <00:48:06.464>to <00:48:06.745>the,

1078
00:48:08.635 --> 00:48:10.485
<00:48:08.635>Have <00:48:08.915>you <00:48:09.195>created <00:48:09.475>your <00:48:09.755>own <00:48:10.035>NFT?

1079
00:48:10.995 --> 00:48:13.085
<00:48:10.995>I've <00:48:11.228>got <00:48:11.461>my <00:48:11.694>son <00:48:11.928>a <00:48:12.161>poem, <00:48:12.395>uh,

1080
00:48:13.305 --> 00:48:16.445
<00:48:13.305>on <00:48:13.480>his <00:48:13.654>eth <00:48:13.830>birthday <00:48:14.004>about <00:48:14.180>him <00:48:14.355>taking <00:48:14.529>my <00:48:14.705>crown.

1081
00:48:16.865 --> 00:48:20.125
<00:48:16.865>And <00:48:16.992>I'm <00:48:17.119>in <00:48:17.246>the <00:48:17.374>process <00:48:17.501>of <00:48:17.628>creating <00:48:17.755>that <00:48:17.883>poem <00:48:18.010>as <00:48:18.137>an <00:48:18.265>NFT.

1082
00:48:20.865 --> 00:48:25.765
<00:48:20.865>We <00:48:21.004>might <00:48:21.145>also <00:48:21.285>create <00:48:21.424>an <00:48:21.564>NFT <00:48:21.705>of <00:48:21.845>the <00:48:21.984>first, <00:48:22.125>uh, <00:48:22.265>questionnaire

1083
00:48:25.915 --> 00:48:29.685
<00:48:25.915>that <00:48:26.031>I <00:48:26.148>sent <00:48:26.265>to <00:48:26.381>Sienna <00:48:26.498>about <00:48:26.615>what <00:48:26.731>we <00:48:26.848>were <00:48:26.965>trying <00:48:27.081>to <00:48:27.198>do, <00:48:27.315>uh,

1084
00:48:29.685 --> 00:48:33.005
<00:48:29.685>and <00:48:29.840>how <00:48:29.996>much <00:48:30.151>that's <00:48:30.307>changed <00:48:30.462>over <00:48:30.618>the <00:48:30.773>last <00:48:30.929>10 <00:48:31.085>months.

1085
00:48:33.325 --> 00:48:34.725
<00:48:33.325>I <00:48:33.482>mean, <00:48:33.640>I <00:48:33.797>think <00:48:33.955>it's <00:48:34.112>a <00:48:34.270>piece <00:48:34.427>of <00:48:34.585>art.

1086
00:48:34.745 --> 00:48:39.205
<00:48:34.745>Anyway, <00:48:34.852>so, <00:48:34.960>so, <00:48:35.068>so <00:48:35.175>to <00:48:35.283>me, <00:48:35.391>an <00:48:35.498>NFT <00:48:35.606>is, <00:48:35.714>is, <00:48:35.821>is <00:48:35.929>a <00:48:36.037>full <00:48:36.145>status.

1087
00:48:40.065 --> 00:48:41.925
<00:48:40.065>You <00:48:40.415>know, <00:48:40.765>it's <00:48:41.115>new <00:48:41.465>things.

1088
00:48:42.335 --> 00:48:44.445
<00:48:42.335>There <00:48:42.568>are <00:48:42.801>very <00:48:43.035>beneficial <00:48:43.268>things <00:48:43.501>about <00:48:43.735>it.

1089
00:48:44.925 --> 00:48:48.765
<00:48:44.925>I <00:48:45.052>think <00:48:45.179>the <00:48:45.306>kings <00:48:45.434>of <00:48:45.561>Leon, <00:48:45.688>uh, <00:48:45.815>produced <00:48:45.943>NFT <00:48:46.070>of <00:48:46.197>their <00:48:46.325>music.

1090
00:48:49.405 --> 00:48:51.005
<00:48:49.405>I <00:48:49.685>remember <00:48:49.965>this <00:48:50.245>s**t <00:48:50.525>from <00:48:50.805>the,

1091
00:48:51.035 --> 00:48:53.005
<00:48:51.035>from <00:48:51.234>the <00:48:51.435>late <00:48:51.634>seventies <00:48:51.835>when <00:48:52.035>you <00:48:52.234>could <00:48:52.435>buy

1092
00:48:53.565 --> 00:48:57.285
<00:48:53.565>a <00:48:53.692>Sex <00:48:53.819>Pistols <00:48:53.946>record <00:48:54.074>of <00:48:54.201>a, <00:48:54.328>a <00:48:54.455>picture <00:48:54.583>sleeve <00:48:54.710>or <00:48:54.837>yellow <00:48:54.965>vinyl.

1093
00:48:57.765 --> 00:49:00.045
<00:48:57.765>I <00:48:57.940>mean, <00:48:58.115>dude, <00:48:58.290>like, <00:48:58.464>that <00:48:58.640>was <00:48:58.815>an <00:48:58.990>NFT, <00:48:59.165>right?

1094
00:49:00.185 --> 00:49:01.325
<00:49:00.185>In <00:49:00.441>its <00:49:00.698>own <00:49:00.954>way. <00:49:01.211>Yeah.

1095
00:49:01.925 --> 00:49:05.485
<00:49:01.925>I, <00:49:02.080>I'm <00:49:02.236>just <00:49:02.391>thinking <00:49:02.547>about, <00:49:02.702>you <00:49:02.858>know, <00:49:03.013>like, <00:49:03.169>like <00:49:03.325>children

1096
00:49:05.745 --> 00:49:08.485
<00:49:05.745>or <00:49:05.920>also, <00:49:06.095>I, <00:49:06.270>I <00:49:06.444>was <00:49:06.620>collecting <00:49:06.795>these <00:49:06.970>cards <00:49:07.145>of,

1097
00:49:08.545 --> 00:49:10.405
<00:49:08.545>of <00:49:08.895>soccer <00:49:09.245>players, <00:49:09.595>football <00:49:09.945>players.

1098
00:49:10.405 --> 00:49:13.485
<00:49:10.405>Yeah. <00:49:10.532>You <00:49:10.659>know, <00:49:10.786>like, <00:49:10.914>and <00:49:11.041>if <00:49:11.168>you <00:49:11.295>think <00:49:11.423>about <00:49:11.550>it, <00:49:11.677>like <00:49:11.805>from,

1099
00:49:13.515 --> 00:49:16.565
<00:49:13.515>from, <00:49:13.690>from <00:49:13.865>the <00:49:14.040>perspective <00:49:14.214>of <00:49:14.390>our, <00:49:14.565>let's <00:49:14.740>say <00:49:14.915>parents

1100
00:49:16.625 --> 00:49:17.805
<00:49:16.625>or <00:49:16.979>grandparents <00:49:17.333>or <00:49:17.687>whatever.

1101
00:49:18.205 --> 00:49:20.125
<00:49:18.205>I <00:49:18.404>mean, <00:49:18.605>they <00:49:18.805>must <00:49:19.005>have <00:49:19.205>also <00:49:19.404>thought <00:49:19.605>about

1102
00:49:20.665 --> 00:49:22.165
<00:49:20.665>why <00:49:20.935>does <00:49:21.205>he <00:49:21.475>collect <00:49:21.745>these <00:49:22.015>things?

1103
00:49:22.165 --> 00:49:23.765
<00:49:22.165>Yeah, <00:49:22.398>yeah. <00:49:22.631>It's <00:49:22.865>not <00:49:23.098>the <00:49:23.331>real <00:49:23.565>person.

1104
00:49:23.875 --> 00:49:25.365
<00:49:23.875>It's <00:49:24.210>just <00:49:24.545>like <00:49:24.880>a <00:49:25.216>sticker.

1105
00:49:25.905 --> 00:49:26.965
<00:49:25.905>But <00:49:26.143>it's <00:49:26.382>not, <00:49:26.620>but <00:49:26.859>you

1106
00:49:26.965 --> 00:49:28.005
<00:49:26.965>see, <00:49:27.121>I <00:49:27.277>think <00:49:27.433>what <00:49:27.589>people <00:49:27.745>are <00:49:27.901>getting,

1107
00:49:28.325 --> 00:49:29.405
<00:49:28.325>And <00:49:28.487>then <00:49:28.649>you <00:49:28.811>can <00:49:28.973>exchange <00:49:29.135>it <00:49:29.297>with

1108
00:49:29.405 --> 00:49:30.885
<00:49:29.405>friends <00:49:29.595>and <00:49:29.785>so <00:49:29.975>on <00:49:30.166>and <00:49:30.356>so <00:49:30.546>on. <00:49:30.737>Yeah.

1109
00:49:30.885 --> 00:49:33.405
<00:49:30.885>Yeah. <00:49:31.165>Dude, <00:49:31.445>panini <00:49:31.725>World <00:49:32.005>Cup. <00:49:32.285>Absolutely.

1110
00:49:33.425 --> 00:49:35.805
<00:49:33.425>You <00:49:33.580>know, <00:49:33.736>but <00:49:33.891>that <00:49:34.047>was <00:49:34.202>when <00:49:34.358>we <00:49:34.513>were, <00:49:34.669>that's <00:49:34.825>when,

1111
00:49:35.805 --> 00:49:39.125
<00:49:35.805>that <00:49:35.932>was <00:49:36.059>the <00:49:36.186>first <00:49:36.314>time <00:49:36.441>that <00:49:36.568>we <00:49:36.695>were <00:49:36.823>made <00:49:36.950>to <00:49:37.077>be <00:49:37.205>addicted

1112
00:49:39.265 --> 00:49:40.445
<00:49:39.265>to <00:49:39.796>subscription <00:49:40.327>models.

1113
00:49:40.455 --> 00:49:42.725
<00:49:40.455>Right. <00:49:40.805>I <00:49:41.154>hate <00:49:41.505>subscription <00:49:41.855>models,

1114
00:49:43.505 --> 00:49:46.125
<00:49:43.505>but <00:49:43.705>we <00:49:43.905>had <00:49:44.105>to <00:49:44.305>finish <00:49:44.505>the <00:49:44.705>album, <00:49:44.905>right?

1115
00:49:46.225 --> 00:49:49.845
<00:49:46.225>We <00:49:46.352>had <00:49:46.479>to <00:49:46.606>get <00:49:46.734>a <00:49:46.861>picture <00:49:46.988>of, <00:49:47.115>you <00:49:47.243>know, <00:49:47.370>some <00:49:47.497>Austrian <00:49:47.625>player

1116
00:49:49.945 --> 00:49:51.925
<00:49:49.945>or <00:49:50.225>some, <00:49:50.505>you <00:49:50.785>know, <00:49:51.065>Argentinian <00:49:51.345>player.

1117
00:49:52.265 --> 00:49:53.525
<00:49:52.265>It <00:49:52.548>was <00:49:52.832>a <00:49:53.115>subscription <00:49:53.399>model.

1118
00:49:53.525 --> 00:49:56.125
<00:49:53.525>We <00:49:53.665>had <00:49:53.805>to <00:49:53.945>keep <00:49:54.085>buying <00:49:54.225>the <00:49:54.365>cards, <00:49:54.505>keep <00:49:54.645>buying <00:49:54.785>the <00:49:54.925>cards.

1119
00:49:56.215 --> 00:49:58.405
<00:49:56.215>Album <00:49:56.448>was <00:49:56.681>free. <00:49:56.915>Keep <00:49:57.148>buying <00:49:57.381>the <00:49:57.615>cards,

1120
00:49:59.355 --> 00:50:00.965
<00:49:59.355>suggest, <00:49:59.635>you <00:49:59.915>know <00:50:00.195>what <00:50:00.475>I <00:50:00.755>mean?

1121
00:50:00.985 --> 00:50:05.165
<00:50:00.985>It <00:50:01.140>was <00:50:01.296>a, <00:50:01.451>it <00:50:01.607>was <00:50:01.762>a <00:50:01.918>full <00:50:02.073>subscription, <00:50:02.229>a <00:50:02.385>collectible,

1122
00:50:05.455 --> 00:50:07.245
<00:50:05.455>which <00:50:05.654>is <00:50:05.855>what <00:50:06.055>it, <00:50:06.255>what <00:50:06.455>what <00:50:06.654>it <00:50:06.855>was.

1123
00:50:08.195 --> 00:50:09.885
<00:50:08.195>NFTs <00:50:08.475>are <00:50:08.755>not <00:50:09.035>just <00:50:09.315>digital <00:50:09.595>collect

1124
00:50:10.045 --> 00:50:11.605
<00:50:10.045>collectibles <00:50:10.745>for <00:50:11.445>consumers.

1125
00:50:11.935 --> 00:50:13.925
<00:50:11.935>Right. <00:50:12.168>That's <00:50:12.401>not <00:50:12.634>just <00:50:12.868>what <00:50:13.101>they <00:50:13.335>are.

1126
00:50:14.785 --> 00:50:17.885
<00:50:14.785>If <00:50:14.901>you <00:50:15.018>think <00:50:15.134>that <00:50:15.251>the <00:50:15.368>kings <00:50:15.484>of <00:50:15.601>Eon, <00:50:15.718>uh, <00:50:15.835>are <00:50:15.951>doing <00:50:16.068>an <00:50:16.185>NFT

1127
00:50:17.885 --> 00:50:21.725
<00:50:17.885>and <00:50:18.001>make <00:50:18.118>two <00:50:18.235>or <00:50:18.351>$3 <00:50:18.468>million, <00:50:18.585>uh, <00:50:18.701>in <00:50:18.818>the <00:50:18.935>middle <00:50:19.051>of <00:50:19.168>a <00:50:19.285>pandemic,

1128
00:50:22.225 --> 00:50:27.055
<00:50:22.225>and <00:50:22.352>then <00:50:22.479>that <00:50:22.606>NFT <00:50:22.734>is <00:50:22.861>sent <00:50:22.988>to <00:50:23.115>space <00:50:23.243>with <00:50:23.370>either <00:50:23.497>Bezos <00:50:23.625>or,

1129
00:50:27.225 --> 00:50:29.925
<00:50:27.225>or, <00:50:27.380>or <00:50:27.536>Branson, <00:50:27.691>I <00:50:27.847>can't <00:50:28.002>remember <00:50:28.158>which <00:50:28.313>one <00:50:28.469>it <00:50:28.625>was.

1130
00:50:30.505 --> 00:50:33.885
<00:50:30.505>You <00:50:30.645>know <00:50:30.785>what <00:50:30.925>I <00:50:31.065>mean? <00:50:31.205>There <00:50:31.345>are <00:50:31.485>huge, <00:50:31.625>huge <00:50:31.765>benefits <00:50:31.905>here

1131
00:50:33.885 --> 00:50:35.605
<00:50:33.885>for <00:50:34.118>artists <00:50:34.351>that <00:50:34.585>have <00:50:34.818>been <00:50:35.051>ripped <00:50:35.285>off

1132
00:50:36.225 --> 00:50:38.645
<00:50:36.225>by <00:50:36.424>record <00:50:36.625>companies <00:50:36.825>in <00:50:37.025>music <00:50:37.225>in <00:50:37.424>the <00:50:37.625>past,

1133
00:50:39.105 --> 00:50:41.645
<00:50:39.105>and <00:50:39.280>have <00:50:39.455>been <00:50:39.630>ripped <00:50:39.805>off <00:50:39.980>by <00:50:40.155>Spotify <00:50:40.330>and <00:50:40.505>Stream.

1134
00:50:42.845 --> 00:50:44.885
<00:50:42.845>I <00:50:43.020>hate <00:50:43.194>Spotify. <00:50:43.370>Mm-hmm. <00:50:43.544>You <00:50:43.720>know <00:50:43.895>what <00:50:44.069>I <00:50:44.245>mean?

1135
00:50:45.045 --> 00:50:46.125
<00:50:45.045>I, <00:50:45.369>I <00:50:45.693>hate <00:50:46.017>it

1136
00:50:46.125 --> 00:50:48.525
<00:50:46.125>because <00:50:46.280>I <00:50:46.436>used <00:50:46.591>to <00:50:46.747>like <00:50:46.902>going <00:50:47.058>to <00:50:47.213>the <00:50:47.369>record <00:50:47.525>shop

1137
00:50:48.525 --> 00:50:50.005
<00:50:48.525>to <00:50:48.691>buy <00:50:48.858>my <00:50:49.024>records, <00:50:49.191>you <00:50:49.357>know <00:50:49.524>what <00:50:49.690>I <00:50:49.857>mean?

1138
00:50:50.505 --> 00:50:53.885
<00:50:50.505>So, <00:50:50.680>so <00:50:50.855>for <00:50:51.030>artists, <00:50:51.205>you <00:50:51.380>know, <00:50:51.555>it's <00:50:51.730>another <00:50:51.905>form

1139
00:50:53.885 --> 00:50:55.085
<00:50:53.885>of <00:50:54.245>merchandise, <00:50:54.605>isn't <00:50:54.965>it?

1140
00:50:55.145 --> 00:50:59.165
<00:50:55.145>You <00:50:55.300>know, <00:50:55.456>NFT <00:50:55.611>Merck, <00:50:55.767>you <00:50:55.922>know, <00:50:56.078>that's <00:50:56.233>great <00:50:56.389>for <00:50:56.545>artists

1141
00:50:59.275 --> 00:51:01.405
<00:50:59.275>that <00:50:59.475>they <00:50:59.675>have <00:50:59.875>to <00:51:00.075>tour <00:51:00.275>all <00:51:00.475>the <00:51:00.675>time

1142
00:51:01.795 --> 00:51:04.645
<00:51:01.795>because <00:51:01.950>they <00:51:02.106>can't <00:51:02.261>make <00:51:02.417>any <00:51:02.572>money <00:51:02.728>out <00:51:02.883>of <00:51:03.039>selling <00:51:03.195>music

1143
00:51:04.645 --> 00:51:07.445
<00:51:04.645>because <00:51:04.845>of <00:51:05.045>the, <00:51:05.245>the, <00:51:05.445>the <00:51:05.645>streaming <00:51:05.845>giants <00:51:06.045>such

1144
00:51:07.445 --> 00:51:08.605
<00:51:07.445>as <00:51:07.793>Spotify, <00:51:08.141>you <00:51:08.489>know?

1145
00:51:08.675 --> 00:51:10.405
<00:51:08.675>Yeah. <00:51:08.955>Nothing <00:51:09.235>that <00:51:09.515>goes <00:51:09.795>for <00:51:10.075>artists.

1146
00:51:10.865 --> 00:51:13.765
<00:51:10.865>The <00:51:11.020>same <00:51:11.176>thing <00:51:11.331>for <00:51:11.487>people <00:51:11.642>that <00:51:11.798>created <00:51:11.953>content <00:51:12.109>years <00:51:12.265>ago,

1147
00:51:14.865 --> 00:51:18.645
<00:51:14.865>you <00:51:14.992>know, <00:51:15.119>and <00:51:15.246>weren't <00:51:15.374>paid <00:51:15.501>enough <00:51:15.628>for, <00:51:15.755>you <00:51:15.883>know, <00:51:16.010>if, <00:51:16.137>if <00:51:16.265>you,

1148
00:51:18.645 --> 00:51:22.605
<00:51:18.645>if <00:51:18.800>you've <00:51:18.956>got <00:51:19.111>an <00:51:19.267>old <00:51:19.422>Pink <00:51:19.578>Floyd <00:51:19.733>lyrics, <00:51:19.889>you <00:51:20.045>know,

1149
00:51:22.715 --> 00:51:24.285
<00:51:22.715>that <00:51:23.065>you've, <00:51:23.415>you <00:51:23.765>know, <00:51:24.115>you,

1150
00:51:24.385 --> 00:51:25.725
<00:51:24.385>you <00:51:24.626>could <00:51:24.867>sell <00:51:25.108>that <00:51:25.349>for <00:51:25.591>Fortunes.

1151
00:51:26.065 --> 00:51:29.605
<00:51:26.065>You, <00:51:26.181>you <00:51:26.298>know, <00:51:26.415>so, <00:51:26.531>so, <00:51:26.648>so <00:51:26.765>while <00:51:26.881>I'm <00:51:26.998>not <00:51:27.115>the <00:51:27.231>one <00:51:27.348>who <00:51:27.465>wants

1152
00:51:29.605 --> 00:51:30.885
<00:51:29.605>to <00:51:29.835>be <00:51:30.065>sucked <00:51:30.296>into <00:51:30.526>the <00:51:30.757>machine

1153
00:51:31.425 --> 00:51:35.245
<00:51:31.425>and <00:51:31.625>have <00:51:31.825>status, <00:51:32.025>you <00:51:32.225>know, <00:51:32.425>inside <00:51:32.625>the <00:51:32.825>machine,

1154
00:51:35.345 --> 00:51:38.005
<00:51:35.345>I'd <00:51:35.500>rather <00:51:35.656>be <00:51:35.811>out <00:51:35.967>here <00:51:36.122>useless, <00:51:36.278>fre <00:51:36.433>flesh <00:51:36.589>of <00:51:36.745>blood.

1155
00:51:38.545 --> 00:51:40.805
<00:51:38.545>And <00:51:38.685>I <00:51:38.825>know <00:51:38.965>there <00:51:39.105>are <00:51:39.245>a <00:51:39.385>lot <00:51:39.525>of <00:51:39.665>developers <00:51:39.805>out <00:51:39.945>there

1156
00:51:40.955 --> 00:51:43.245
<00:51:40.955>that <00:51:41.130>think <00:51:41.305>that <00:51:41.480>we <00:51:41.654>are <00:51:41.830>just <00:51:42.005>flesh <00:51:42.180>and <00:51:42.355>blood

1157
00:51:43.245 --> 00:51:44.645
<00:51:43.245>and <00:51:43.424>we <00:51:43.605>should <00:51:43.785>all <00:51:43.965>be <00:51:44.145>in <00:51:44.325>the <00:51:44.505>machine.

1158
00:51:45.045 --> 00:51:46.645
<00:51:45.045>I <00:51:45.511>appreciate <00:51:45.978>that. <00:51:46.445>Um,

1159
00:51:47.225 --> 00:51:49.725
<00:51:47.225>but <00:51:47.400>I <00:51:47.575>think <00:51:47.750>it's, <00:51:47.924>in <00:51:48.100>answer <00:51:48.275>your <00:51:48.450>question, <00:51:48.625>yes,

1160
00:51:49.725 --> 00:51:52.725
<00:51:49.725>it <00:51:49.880>is <00:51:50.036>overhyped, <00:51:50.191>but <00:51:50.347>yes, <00:51:50.502>it <00:51:50.658>will <00:51:50.813>be <00:51:50.969>a <00:51:51.125>thing.

1161
00:51:53.305 --> 00:51:56.365
<00:51:53.305>Uh, <00:51:53.421>and <00:51:53.538>yes, <00:51:53.654>it <00:51:53.771>will <00:51:53.888>take <00:51:54.004>some <00:51:54.121>time <00:51:54.238>to <00:51:54.355>find <00:51:54.471>out <00:51:54.588>exactly <00:51:54.705>what

1162
00:51:56.365 --> 00:51:59.365
<00:51:56.365>that <00:51:56.540>is, <00:51:56.714>but <00:51:56.890>I <00:51:57.064>mean, <00:51:57.240>Disney <00:51:57.415>came <00:51:57.589>in <00:51:57.765>today,

1163
00:51:59.725 --> 00:52:00.845
<00:51:59.725>I <00:51:59.893>think, <00:52:00.060>you <00:52:00.229>know <00:52:00.397>what <00:52:00.564>I <00:52:00.732>mean?

1164
00:52:00.895 --> 00:52:03.285
<00:52:00.895>There, <00:52:01.245>there <00:52:01.595>are <00:52:01.945>multiple <00:52:02.295>ways

1165
00:52:03.385 --> 00:52:04.925
<00:52:03.385>to <00:52:03.616>make <00:52:03.847>money <00:52:04.078>out <00:52:04.309>of <00:52:04.540>this. <00:52:04.771>Yeah,

1166
00:52:05.725 --> 00:52:06.725
Absolutely.

1167
00:52:07.355 --> 00:52:11.525
<00:52:07.355>Okay. <00:52:07.495>So <00:52:07.635>it'll <00:52:07.775>still <00:52:07.915>just <00:52:08.055>need <00:52:08.195>a <00:52:08.335>bit <00:52:08.475>of <00:52:08.615>time. <00:52:08.755>Agreed.

1168
00:52:11.525 --> 00:52:13.445
<00:52:11.525>That's <00:52:11.805>what <00:52:12.085>you're <00:52:12.365>saying. <00:52:12.645>Yep. <00:52:12.925>Okay.

1169
00:52:13.655 --> 00:52:17.125
<00:52:13.655>Monte, <00:52:13.888>um, <00:52:14.121>coming <00:52:14.355>slowly <00:52:14.588>to <00:52:14.821>an <00:52:15.055>end,

1170
00:52:18.595 --> 00:52:20.285
<00:52:18.595>what <00:52:18.828>does <00:52:19.061>the <00:52:19.294>future <00:52:19.528>bring <00:52:19.761>for <00:52:19.995>you?

1171
00:52:20.515 --> 00:52:23.565
<00:52:20.515>What <00:52:20.642>are <00:52:20.769>you <00:52:20.896>on? <00:52:21.024>So <00:52:21.151>you <00:52:21.278>are <00:52:21.405>now <00:52:21.533>fulltime <00:52:21.660>at <00:52:21.787>Cena, <00:52:21.915>right?

1172
00:52:24.145 --> 00:52:27.565
<00:52:24.145>Uh, <00:52:24.300>well, <00:52:24.456>not <00:52:24.611>full-time. <00:52:24.767>I <00:52:24.922>mean, <00:52:25.078>I <00:52:25.233>do <00:52:25.389>other <00:52:25.545>things.

1173
00:52:27.935 --> 00:52:29.325
<00:52:27.935>Let's <00:52:28.352>say <00:52:28.769>fully <00:52:29.185>committed,

1174
00:52:29.815 --> 00:52:31.485
<00:52:29.815>Fully <00:52:30.515>committed, <00:52:31.215>100%.

1175
00:52:31.755 --> 00:52:33.365
<00:52:31.755>Yeah. <00:52:32.105>Fully <00:52:32.455>committed. <00:52:32.805>Fully <00:52:33.155>committed.

1176
00:52:33.365 --> 00:52:35.565
<00:52:33.365>Perfect. <00:52:33.714>The <00:52:34.064>Team. <00:52:34.415>What <00:52:34.765>are,

1177
00:52:35.915 --> 00:52:37.445
<00:52:35.915>What <00:52:36.259>are <00:52:36.603>your <00:52:36.947>plans <00:52:37.292>afterwards?

1178
00:52:38.145 --> 00:52:39.485
<00:52:38.145>You're <00:52:38.446>still <00:52:38.748>a <00:52:39.049>young <00:52:39.351>guy.

1179
00:52:40.275 --> 00:52:43.285
<00:52:40.275>Well, <00:52:40.402>I, <00:52:40.529>I've <00:52:40.656>just <00:52:40.784>got <00:52:40.911>divorced, <00:52:41.038>you <00:52:41.165>know, <00:52:41.293>my <00:52:41.420>son <00:52:41.547>is <00:52:41.675>about

1180
00:52:43.285 --> 00:52:44.485
<00:52:43.285>to <00:52:43.645>go <00:52:44.005>to <00:52:44.365>university.

1181
00:52:45.265 --> 00:52:47.445
<00:52:45.265>Um, <00:52:45.498>they <00:52:45.731>have <00:52:45.964>this <00:52:46.198>ridiculous <00:52:46.431>system <00:52:46.665>of,

1182
00:52:47.465 --> 00:52:49.085
<00:52:47.465>of <00:52:47.698>buying <00:52:47.931>a <00:52:48.165>house <00:52:48.398>in <00:52:48.631>this <00:52:48.865>country.

1183
00:52:49.265 --> 00:52:53.475
<00:52:49.265>So <00:52:49.420>I <00:52:49.576>sold, <00:52:49.731>we <00:52:49.887>sold <00:52:50.042>the <00:52:50.198>family <00:52:50.353>house <00:52:50.509>in <00:52:50.665>July,

1184
00:52:54.375 --> 00:52:56.875
<00:52:54.375>uh, <00:52:54.530>and <00:52:54.686>he <00:52:54.841>was <00:52:54.997>completing <00:52:55.152>on <00:52:55.308>the <00:52:55.463>house <00:52:55.619>on <00:52:55.775>December,

1185
00:52:56.975 --> 00:53:00.715
<00:52:56.975>on <00:52:57.115>December <00:52:57.255>the <00:52:57.395>eighth, <00:52:57.535>but <00:52:57.674>the <00:52:57.815>buyer <00:52:57.955>pulled <00:52:58.095>out <00:52:58.235>last <00:52:58.375>week

1186
00:53:01.405 --> 00:53:03.435
<00:53:01.405>after <00:53:01.755>five <00:53:02.105>months <00:53:02.455>of <00:53:02.805>rubbish.

1187
00:53:04.055 --> 00:53:07.555
<00:53:04.055>So, <00:53:04.182>on <00:53:04.309>a <00:53:04.436>personal <00:53:04.564>level, <00:53:04.691>I <00:53:04.818>live <00:53:04.945>in <00:53:05.073>a <00:53:05.200>really <00:53:05.327>nice <00:53:05.455>flat

1188
00:53:07.615 --> 00:53:09.635
<00:53:07.615>and <00:53:07.770>brighten, <00:53:07.926>but <00:53:08.081>it's <00:53:08.237>not <00:53:08.392>a <00:53:08.548>home <00:53:08.703>for <00:53:08.859>my <00:53:09.015>son.

1189
00:53:09.775 --> 00:53:12.955
<00:53:09.775>So <00:53:09.891>I <00:53:10.008>need <00:53:10.125>to <00:53:10.241>buy <00:53:10.358>a <00:53:10.475>house, <00:53:10.591>you <00:53:10.708>know, <00:53:10.825>as <00:53:10.941>soon <00:53:11.058>as <00:53:11.175>possible.

1190
00:53:12.975 --> 00:53:16.595
<00:53:12.975>So <00:53:13.102>that's <00:53:13.229>on <00:53:13.356>a, <00:53:13.484>on <00:53:13.611>a <00:53:13.738>personal <00:53:13.865>level, <00:53:13.993>uh, <00:53:14.120>the <00:53:14.247>plan <00:53:14.375>was

1191
00:53:16.615 --> 00:53:19.005
<00:53:16.615>to <00:53:16.964>take <00:53:17.314>January <00:53:17.665>off, <00:53:18.015>uh,

1192
00:53:19.005 --> 00:53:21.685
<00:53:19.005>and <00:53:19.145>go <00:53:19.285>to <00:53:19.425>some <00:53:19.565>places <00:53:19.705>that <00:53:19.845>I've <00:53:19.985>always <00:53:20.125>wanted <00:53:20.265>to <00:53:20.405>see

1193
00:53:21.905 --> 00:53:22.965
<00:53:21.905>and <00:53:22.095>have <00:53:22.286>a <00:53:22.477>bit <00:53:22.668>of <00:53:22.859>danger.

1194
00:53:23.595 --> 00:53:25.605
<00:53:23.595>Want <00:53:23.828>to <00:53:24.061>go <00:53:24.294>to <00:53:24.528>Algiers <00:53:24.761>in <00:53:24.995>Algeria.

1195
00:53:26.385 --> 00:53:28.565
<00:53:26.385>Uh, <00:53:26.735>Ethiopia <00:53:27.085>is <00:53:27.435>my, <00:53:27.785>one

1196
00:53:28.565 --> 00:53:30.845
<00:53:28.565>of <00:53:28.740>my <00:53:28.915>favorite <00:53:29.090>countries <00:53:29.265>in <00:53:29.440>the <00:53:29.615>world, <00:53:29.790>you <00:53:29.965>know,

1197
00:53:30.845 --> 00:53:32.445
<00:53:30.845>there's <00:53:31.078>a <00:53:31.311>big <00:53:31.544>conflict <00:53:31.778>going <00:53:32.011>on <00:53:32.245>there.

1198
00:53:32.565 --> 00:53:34.765
<00:53:32.565>I <00:53:32.740>wouldn't <00:53:32.915>mind <00:53:33.090>going <00:53:33.265>there, <00:53:33.440>maybe <00:53:33.615>do <00:53:33.790>some <00:53:33.965>writing.

1199
00:53:35.585 --> 00:53:38.325
<00:53:35.585>Um, <00:53:35.725>I <00:53:35.865>wouldn't <00:53:36.005>mind <00:53:36.145>going <00:53:36.285>to <00:53:36.425>the <00:53:36.565>Sinai <00:53:36.705>Desert <00:53:36.845>in <00:53:36.985>Egypt,

1200
00:53:38.335 --> 00:53:41.965
<00:53:38.335>which <00:53:38.462>is <00:53:38.589>where <00:53:38.716>I <00:53:38.844>first <00:53:38.971>went <00:53:39.098>in <00:53:39.225>83 <00:53:39.353>when <00:53:39.480>it <00:53:39.607>was <00:53:39.735>empty.

1201
00:53:42.755 --> 00:53:44.645
<00:53:42.755>Okay. <00:53:43.105>Did <00:53:43.455>you <00:53:43.805>speak <00:53:44.155>Arabic?

1202
00:53:45.085 --> 00:53:47.045
<00:53:45.085>Actually, <00:53:45.285>I'm <00:53:45.485>not <00:53:45.685>sure <00:53:45.885>if <00:53:46.085>I've <00:53:46.285>read <00:53:46.485>something.

1203
00:53:47.595 --> 00:53:50.245
<00:53:47.595>Yeah, <00:53:47.770>I <00:53:47.944>speak <00:53:48.120>Arabic <00:53:48.294>badly, <00:53:48.470>but <00:53:48.645>it's <00:53:48.819>enough. <00:53:48.995>Yeah.

1204
00:53:50.445 --> 00:53:52.045
<00:53:50.445>I, <00:53:50.678>and <00:53:50.911>that <00:53:51.145>would <00:53:51.378>be <00:53:51.611>another <00:53:51.845>thing.

1205
00:53:52.165 --> 00:53:53.925
<00:53:52.165>I <00:53:52.445>would <00:53:52.725>really, <00:53:53.005>really, <00:53:53.285>really <00:53:53.565>like

1206
00:53:53.925 --> 00:53:55.245
<00:53:53.925>to <00:53:54.321>learn <00:53:54.717>Arabic <00:53:55.113>properly.

1207
00:53:55.795 --> 00:53:57.205
<00:53:55.795>Yeah. <00:53:56.006>I <00:53:56.218>can <00:53:56.429>write <00:53:56.641>a <00:53:56.852>little <00:53:57.064>bit.

1208
00:53:57.725 --> 00:54:01.765
<00:53:57.725>I <00:53:57.900>mean, <00:53:58.075>I <00:53:58.250>can <00:53:58.424>write <00:53:58.600>say, <00:53:58.775>you <00:53:58.950>know, <00:53:59.125>just,

1209
00:54:02.705 --> 00:54:04.725
<00:54:02.705>um, <00:54:02.880>but <00:54:03.055>I <00:54:03.230>would <00:54:03.404>really <00:54:03.580>like <00:54:03.755>to <00:54:03.930>study <00:54:04.105>it.

1210
00:54:04.965 --> 00:54:06.725
<00:54:04.965>I <00:54:05.140>would <00:54:05.315>love <00:54:05.490>to <00:54:05.665>do <00:54:05.840>it, <00:54:06.015>but <00:54:06.190>I <00:54:06.365>just

1211
00:54:06.725 --> 00:54:08.085
<00:54:06.725>need, <00:54:06.899>I <00:54:07.074>just <00:54:07.249>need <00:54:07.424>a <00:54:07.599>bit <00:54:07.774>of <00:54:07.949>time.

1212
00:54:08.195 --> 00:54:11.685
<00:54:08.195>I've <00:54:08.335>been <00:54:08.475>working <00:54:08.615>pretty <00:54:08.755>hard, <00:54:08.895>you <00:54:09.035>know, <00:54:09.175>for, <00:54:09.315>for <00:54:09.455>15 <00:54:09.595>years,

1213
00:54:12.225 --> 00:54:13.765
<00:54:12.225>and <00:54:12.398>I <00:54:12.571>would <00:54:12.744>like <00:54:12.917>a <00:54:13.091>month <00:54:13.264>off, <00:54:13.437>you <00:54:13.611>know,

1214
00:54:13.865 --> 00:54:17.125
<00:54:13.865>go <00:54:14.004>on <00:54:14.145>a <00:54:14.285>train <00:54:14.424>somewhere <00:54:14.564>or <00:54:14.705>some <00:54:14.845>s**t, <00:54:14.984>do <00:54:15.125>some <00:54:15.265>writing.

1215
00:54:18.025 --> 00:54:20.645
<00:54:18.025>I'm <00:54:18.180>writing <00:54:18.336>a <00:54:18.491>book <00:54:18.647>at <00:54:18.802>the <00:54:18.958>moment <00:54:19.113>as <00:54:19.269>well. <00:54:19.425>About

1216
00:54:21.235 --> 00:54:22.235
<00:54:21.235>Okay. <00:54:22.135>About,

1218
00:54:23.035 --> 00:54:26.285
<00:54:23.035>Well, <00:54:23.151>I, <00:54:23.268>I <00:54:23.384>just, <00:54:23.501>I, <00:54:23.618>I <00:54:23.734>wrote <00:54:23.851>a <00:54:23.968>book, <00:54:24.085>a <00:54:24.201>book <00:54:24.318>in <00:54:24.435>94,

1219
00:54:26.825 --> 00:54:29.725
<00:54:26.825>and <00:54:26.941>then <00:54:27.058>I, <00:54:27.174>I've <00:54:27.291>got <00:54:27.408>a <00:54:27.524>great <00:54:27.641>friend <00:54:27.758>of <00:54:27.875>mine <00:54:27.991>in, <00:54:28.108>uh, <00:54:28.225>Canada.

1220
00:54:30.305 --> 00:54:33.405
<00:54:30.305>We <00:54:30.480>were, <00:54:30.654>we <00:54:30.830>had <00:54:31.004>a, <00:54:31.180>you <00:54:31.355>know, <00:54:31.529>anyway, <00:54:31.705>uh,

1221
00:54:33.665 --> 00:54:34.885
<00:54:33.665>and <00:54:33.884>we <00:54:34.104>have <00:54:34.323>really <00:54:34.543>good, <00:54:34.763>we,

1222
00:54:34.885 --> 00:54:37.205
<00:54:34.885>we <00:54:35.040>write <00:54:35.196>each <00:54:35.351>other <00:54:35.507>letters, <00:54:35.662>you <00:54:35.818>know <00:54:35.973>what <00:54:36.129>I <00:54:36.285>mean?

1223
00:54:37.745 --> 00:54:39.565
<00:54:37.745>You <00:54:38.025>know, <00:54:38.305>like <00:54:38.585>I <00:54:38.865>don't <00:54:39.145>answer

1224
00:54:39.625 --> 00:54:41.005
<00:54:39.625>for <00:54:39.832>two <00:54:40.039>weeks <00:54:40.246>and <00:54:40.453>all <00:54:40.660>that <00:54:40.867>stuff.

1225
00:54:41.785 --> 00:54:44.685
<00:54:41.785>So <00:54:41.924>then <00:54:42.065>I <00:54:42.205>thought <00:54:42.345>the, <00:54:42.484>the, <00:54:42.625>the <00:54:42.765>quality <00:54:42.904>of <00:54:43.045>the <00:54:43.185>writing

1226
00:54:44.685 --> 00:54:47.685
<00:54:44.685>that <00:54:44.860>I'm <00:54:45.035>sending <00:54:45.210>her, <00:54:45.384>why <00:54:45.560>don't <00:54:45.735>I <00:54:45.910>change <00:54:46.085>it

1227
00:54:48.105 --> 00:54:50.005
<00:54:48.105>as <00:54:48.305>if <00:54:48.505>I'm <00:54:48.705>writing <00:54:48.905>to <00:54:49.105>my <00:54:49.305>best <00:54:49.505>friend

1228
00:54:50.345 --> 00:54:51.925
<00:54:50.345>who <00:54:50.578>died <00:54:50.811>four <00:54:51.044>or <00:54:51.278>five <00:54:51.511>years <00:54:51.745>ago.

1229
00:54:52.625 --> 00:54:55.245
<00:54:52.625>We <00:54:52.800>spread <00:54:52.975>his <00:54:53.150>ashes <00:54:53.325>on <00:54:53.500>the <00:54:53.675>Ganges <00:54:53.850>at <00:54:54.025>asse,

1230
00:54:55.665 --> 00:54:56.805
<00:54:55.665>me <00:54:55.836>and <00:54:56.007>my, <00:54:56.178>me <00:54:56.348>and <00:54:56.520>his <00:54:56.691>sister.

1231
00:54:57.825 --> 00:55:01.525
<00:54:57.825>And <00:54:57.932>I <00:54:58.040>just <00:54:58.148>thought, <00:54:58.255>why <00:54:58.363>don't <00:54:58.471>I <00:54:58.578>write <00:54:58.686>to <00:54:58.794>him <00:54:58.901>so <00:54:59.009>I <00:54:59.117>don't <00:54:59.225>have

1232
00:55:01.525 --> 00:55:03.485
<00:55:01.525>to <00:55:01.805>worry <00:55:02.085>about, <00:55:02.365>you <00:55:02.645>know, <00:55:02.925>editors

1233
00:55:03.485 --> 00:55:05.765
<00:55:03.485>or <00:55:03.640>publishers, <00:55:03.796>you <00:55:03.951>know, <00:55:04.107>I'm <00:55:04.262>writing <00:55:04.418>to <00:55:04.573>my <00:55:04.729>best <00:55:04.885>friend.

1234
00:55:05.785 --> 00:55:08.325
<00:55:05.785>You <00:55:05.924>can <00:55:06.065>f**k <00:55:06.205>off <00:55:06.345>if <00:55:06.484>you <00:55:06.625>don't <00:55:06.765>like <00:55:06.904>it. <00:55:07.045>Oh, <00:55:07.185>okay.

1235
00:55:08.325 --> 00:55:11.485
<00:55:08.325>So <00:55:08.480>it's <00:55:08.636>like <00:55:08.791>letters <00:55:08.947>to <00:55:09.102>a <00:55:09.258>friend <00:55:09.413>in <00:55:09.569>a <00:55:09.725>letters

1236
00:55:11.505 --> 00:55:14.325
<00:55:11.505>to <00:55:11.680>a <00:55:11.855>departed <00:55:12.030>friend <00:55:12.205>in <00:55:12.380>a <00:55:12.555>time <00:55:12.730>of <00:55:12.905>plague.

1237
00:55:14.905 --> 00:55:18.125
<00:55:14.905>And <00:55:15.032>it <00:55:15.159>also <00:55:15.286>mixes <00:55:15.414>up <00:55:15.541>with <00:55:15.668>the, <00:55:15.795>the, <00:55:15.923>the <00:55:16.050>many, <00:55:16.177>many <00:55:16.305>times

1238
00:55:18.155 --> 00:55:19.565
<00:55:18.155>that <00:55:18.408>we <00:55:18.662>went <00:55:18.916>to <00:55:19.170>India <00:55:19.424>together.

1239
00:55:19.715 --> 00:55:21.245
<00:55:19.715>Okay. <00:55:19.990>And <00:55:20.265>how <00:55:20.541>India <00:55:20.816>was <00:55:21.092>arranged.

1240
00:55:21.825 --> 00:55:23.445
<00:55:21.825>So <00:55:22.058>are <00:55:22.291>you <00:55:22.524>finishing <00:55:22.758>it <00:55:22.991>soon <00:55:23.225>or?

1241
00:55:24.245 --> 00:55:25.725
<00:55:24.245>I <00:55:24.411>reckon <00:55:24.578>I'm <00:55:24.744>a <00:55:24.911>third <00:55:25.077>of <00:55:25.243>the <00:55:25.410>way <00:55:25.577>through.

1242
00:55:25.765 --> 00:55:27.685
<00:55:25.765>I <00:55:25.964>think <00:55:26.165>the <00:55:26.365>title's <00:55:26.565>a <00:55:26.765>little <00:55:26.964>bit <00:55:27.165>long-winded.

1243
00:55:27.845 --> 00:55:29.445
<00:55:27.845>I <00:55:28.078>need <00:55:28.311>to <00:55:28.544>call <00:55:28.778>it <00:55:29.011>something <00:55:29.245>else,

1244
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<00:55:29.865>but <00:55:30.004>it's, <00:55:30.145>I <00:55:30.285>I <00:55:30.424>I, <00:55:30.564>I've <00:55:30.705>been <00:55:30.845>waiting <00:55:30.984>all <00:55:31.125>my <00:55:31.265>life

1245
00:55:33.045 --> 00:55:35.005
<00:55:33.045>to <00:55:33.325>write <00:55:33.605>a <00:55:33.885>really <00:55:34.165>good <00:55:34.445>book.

1246
00:55:35.665 --> 00:55:38.245
<00:55:35.665>Uh, <00:55:35.840>and <00:55:36.015>this <00:55:36.190>might <00:55:36.365>be <00:55:36.540>my <00:55:36.715>opportunity, <00:55:36.890>you <00:55:37.065>know,

1247
00:55:38.585 --> 00:55:40.205
<00:55:38.585>so <00:55:38.785>I'll <00:55:38.985>still, <00:55:39.185>I <00:55:39.385>mean, <00:55:39.585>I'll <00:55:39.785>still <00:55:39.985>be,

1248
00:55:40.795 --> 00:55:42.925
<00:55:40.795>it's <00:55:40.970>not <00:55:41.145>like <00:55:41.320>I'm <00:55:41.495>retiring <00:55:41.670>from <00:55:41.845>tech, <00:55:42.020>you <00:55:42.195>know,

1249
00:55:42.925 --> 00:55:44.285
<00:55:42.925>there's <00:55:43.169>loads <00:55:43.414>of <00:55:43.659>things <00:55:43.904>going <00:55:44.149>on,

1250
00:55:44.465 --> 00:55:46.845
<00:55:44.465>but <00:55:44.605>I <00:55:44.745>just <00:55:44.885>would <00:55:45.025>like <00:55:45.165>to <00:55:45.305>dedicate <00:55:45.445>a <00:55:45.585>bit <00:55:45.725>more <00:55:45.865>time

1251
00:55:46.945 --> 00:55:49.685
<00:55:46.945>to <00:55:47.178>traveling, <00:55:47.411>uh, <00:55:47.645>seeing <00:55:47.878>the <00:55:48.111>world <00:55:48.345>again.

1252
00:55:49.915 --> 00:55:53.885
<00:55:49.915>I've, <00:55:50.055>I've <00:55:50.195>missed <00:55:50.335>the <00:55:50.475>world. <00:55:50.615>Uh, <00:55:50.755>and <00:55:50.895>read <00:55:51.035>loads <00:55:51.175>of <00:55:51.315>books

1253
00:55:54.145 --> 00:55:57.165
<00:55:54.145>and, <00:55:54.285>you <00:55:54.425>know, <00:55:54.565>become <00:55:54.705>good <00:55:54.845>at <00:55:54.985>Arabic <00:55:55.125>and <00:55:55.265>play <00:55:55.405>the <00:55:55.545>guitar.

1254
00:55:57.745 --> 00:55:58.925
<00:55:57.745>I'm <00:55:58.010>a <00:55:58.276>f*****g <00:55:58.541>hippie <00:55:58.807>dude.

1255
00:56:01.875 --> 00:56:06.605
<00:56:01.875>Perfect. <00:56:02.050>Yeah, <00:56:02.225>I <00:56:02.400>mean, <00:56:02.575>you <00:56:02.750>can <00:56:02.925>combine <00:56:03.100>hopefully <00:56:03.275>soon,

1256
00:56:07.755 --> 00:56:11.045
<00:56:07.755>some <00:56:07.955>traveling <00:56:08.155>with <00:56:08.355>some <00:56:08.555>conference, <00:56:08.755>speaking <00:56:08.955>again, <00:56:09.155>maybe.

1257
00:56:11.635 --> 00:56:15.085
<00:56:11.635>Yeah. <00:56:11.751>I <00:56:11.868>mean, <00:56:11.985>but <00:56:12.101>I, <00:56:12.218>I, <00:56:12.335>I <00:56:12.451>mean, <00:56:12.568>I <00:56:12.685>was <00:56:12.801>working <00:56:12.918>from <00:56:13.035>home

1258
00:56:15.425 --> 00:56:19.045
<00:56:15.425>or <00:56:15.580>working <00:56:15.736>from <00:56:15.891>India <00:56:16.047>in <00:56:16.202>2008, <00:56:16.358>so <00:56:16.513>I'm <00:56:16.669>slightly <00:56:16.825>annoyed

1259
00:56:19.515 --> 00:56:21.285
<00:56:19.515>that <00:56:19.795>everybody's <00:56:20.075>working <00:56:20.355>from <00:56:20.634>home <00:56:20.915>now.

1260
00:56:21.385 --> 00:56:24.125
<00:56:21.385>You <00:56:21.540>know <00:56:21.696>what <00:56:21.851>I <00:56:22.007>mean? <00:56:22.162>It <00:56:22.318>was <00:56:22.473>my <00:56:22.629>world <00:56:22.785>now

1261
00:56:24.125 --> 00:56:25.285
<00:56:24.125>it's <00:56:24.473>everybody <00:56:24.821>else's <00:56:25.169>world.

1262
00:56:25.825 --> 00:56:28.045
<00:56:25.825>But <00:56:26.058>yeah, <00:56:26.291>I <00:56:26.524>mean, <00:56:26.758>that <00:56:26.991>portfolio <00:56:27.225>career

1263
00:56:28.825 --> 00:56:31.845
<00:56:28.825>of <00:56:29.058>having <00:56:29.291>consultancy <00:56:29.524>roles <00:56:29.758>and <00:56:29.991>non-exec <00:56:30.225>roles

1264
00:56:32.185 --> 00:56:35.725
<00:56:32.185>and, <00:56:32.360>you <00:56:32.535>know, <00:56:32.710>consultancy <00:56:32.884>gigs <00:56:33.060>and <00:56:33.235>speaking <00:56:33.410>at <00:56:33.585>conferences

1265
00:56:35.785 --> 00:56:38.325
<00:56:35.785>and <00:56:35.940>writing, <00:56:36.096>you <00:56:36.251>know, <00:56:36.407>that's <00:56:36.562>not <00:56:36.718>gonna <00:56:36.873>stop <00:56:37.029>for <00:56:37.185>me.