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342
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343
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344
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<00:20:50.980>to <00:20:51.120>do <00:20:51.260>referrals <00:20:51.400>and <00:20:51.540>other <00:20:51.680>things <00:20:51.820>like <00:20:51.960>that. <00:20:52.100>Um, <00:20:52.240>you <00:20:52.380>know,

345
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<00:20:54.780>you <00:20:54.873>have <00:20:54.966>to <00:20:55.060>make <00:20:55.153>sure <00:20:55.246>don't <00:20:55.340>put <00:20:55.433>the <00:20:55.526>detection <00:20:55.620>methods <00:20:55.713>on <00:20:55.806>the <00:20:55.899>develop <00:20:55.993>on <00:20:56.086>the <00:20:56.180>dev

346
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<00:20:59.680>team. <00:20:59.787>Um, <00:20:59.895>a <00:21:00.003>lot <00:21:00.110>of <00:21:00.218>you <00:21:00.326>might <00:21:00.433>be <00:21:00.541>mobile, <00:21:00.649>mobile <00:21:00.756>developers, <00:21:00.864>which <00:21:00.972>is <00:21:01.080>awesome,

347
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<00:21:04.580>but <00:21:04.687>not <00:21:04.795>a <00:21:04.903>lot <00:21:05.010>of <00:21:05.118>you <00:21:05.226>might <00:21:05.333>be <00:21:05.441>cyber <00:21:05.549>engineers, <00:21:05.656>which <00:21:05.764>obviously, <00:21:05.872>you <00:21:05.980>know,

348
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<00:21:08.790>takes <00:21:08.906>a <00:21:09.023>different <00:21:09.139>set <00:21:09.256>of <00:21:09.373>skills <00:21:09.490>and <00:21:09.606>a <00:21:09.723>different, <00:21:09.840>you <00:21:09.956>know, <00:21:10.073>learning <00:21:10.190>path.

349
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350
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<00:21:15.250>Put <00:21:15.405>the <00:21:15.561>business <00:21:15.716>logic <00:21:15.872>and <00:21:16.027>outcome <00:21:16.183>on <00:21:16.338>your <00:21:16.494>dev <00:21:16.650>team.

351
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352
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<00:21:23.730>uh, <00:21:23.837>don't <00:21:23.945>think <00:21:24.053>of <00:21:24.160>them <00:21:24.268>as <00:21:24.376>different. <00:21:24.483>You <00:21:24.591>know, <00:21:24.699>cheaters <00:21:24.806>and <00:21:24.914>cheaters <00:21:25.022>are <00:21:25.130>just,

353
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<00:21:27.330>you <00:21:27.485>know, <00:21:27.641>another <00:21:27.796>form <00:21:27.952>of <00:21:28.107>player <00:21:28.263>cheaters <00:21:28.418>are <00:21:28.574>just <00:21:28.730>another,

354
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<00:21:30.190>someone <00:21:30.290>that's <00:21:30.390>trying <00:21:30.490>to <00:21:30.590>get <00:21:30.690>something <00:21:30.790>out <00:21:30.890>of <00:21:30.990>your <00:21:31.090>game <00:21:31.190>that <00:21:31.290>you <00:21:31.390>have <00:21:31.490>not <00:21:31.590>yet

355
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<00:21:34.070>engineered <00:21:34.197>to <00:21:34.324>deliver. <00:21:34.451>So <00:21:34.579>if <00:21:34.706>you <00:21:34.833>think <00:21:34.960>about <00:21:35.088>that, <00:21:35.215>it's <00:21:35.342>very <00:21:35.470>different.

356
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<00:21:37.890>But <00:21:38.006>don't <00:21:38.123>make <00:21:38.240>the <00:21:38.356>mistake <00:21:38.473>assuming <00:21:38.590>that <00:21:38.706>all <00:21:38.823>attacks <00:21:38.940>can <00:21:39.056>be <00:21:39.173>monetized <00:21:39.290>because

357
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<00:21:41.550>they <00:21:41.690>can, <00:21:41.830>some <00:21:41.970>of <00:21:42.110>them <00:21:42.250>are <00:21:42.389>just <00:21:42.530>bad <00:21:42.669>and <00:21:42.810>never, <00:21:42.950>never,

358
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<00:21:44.590>never <00:21:44.790>confuse <00:21:44.990>cheating <00:21:45.189>without <00:21:45.389>out <00:21:45.590>fraud. <00:21:45.790>You <00:21:45.990>know,

359
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<00:21:47.030>someone <00:21:47.157>that's <00:21:47.284>doing <00:21:47.411>a <00:21:47.539>fake <00:21:47.666>transaction <00:21:47.793>in <00:21:47.920>your <00:21:48.048>application <00:21:48.175>or <00:21:48.302>using <00:21:48.430>something

360
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<00:21:50.830>like <00:21:50.970>accessibility <00:21:51.110>malware <00:21:51.250>to <00:21:51.389>instrument <00:21:51.530>your <00:21:51.669>application <00:21:51.810>or <00:21:51.949>connect, <00:21:52.090>you <00:21:52.230>know,

361
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<00:21:55.570>and <00:21:55.770>trigger <00:21:55.970>transactions <00:21:56.169>on <00:21:56.370>behalf <00:21:56.570>of <00:21:56.770>others. <00:21:56.970>Like,

362
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<00:21:57.750>that's <00:21:57.925>just <00:21:58.100>not <00:21:58.275>something <00:21:58.450>you <00:21:58.625>can <00:21:58.800>monetize. <00:21:58.975>Alright, <00:21:59.150>cool.

363
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364
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<00:22:05.970>So <00:22:06.070>have <00:22:06.170>fun <00:22:06.270>with <00:22:06.370>it. <00:22:06.470>Hey <00:22:06.570>man, <00:22:06.670>it's, <00:22:06.770>you <00:22:06.870>gotta <00:22:06.970>be, <00:22:07.070>you <00:22:07.170>gotta <00:22:07.270>be <00:22:07.370>brief,

365
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<00:22:10.210>you <00:22:10.365>gotta <00:22:10.521>be <00:22:10.676>good <00:22:10.832>and <00:22:10.987>you <00:22:11.143>gotta <00:22:11.298>be <00:22:11.454>gone. <00:22:11.610>Yeah.

366
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367
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368
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369
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<00:22:17.450>we <00:22:17.577>recorded <00:22:17.704>and <00:22:17.831>you <00:22:17.959>can <00:22:18.086>see <00:22:18.213>that <00:22:18.340>later <00:22:18.468>on <00:22:18.595>our <00:22:18.722>website. <00:22:18.850>Yeah.

370
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Okay,

371
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372
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<00:22:23.740>what <00:22:23.867>is <00:22:23.994>the <00:22:24.121>most <00:22:24.249>common <00:22:24.376>cyber <00:22:24.503>attack <00:22:24.630>on <00:22:24.758>gaming <00:22:24.885>mobile <00:22:25.012>applications? <00:22:25.140>Uh,

373
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<00:22:28.290>Memory <00:22:28.406>editing <00:22:28.523>is <00:22:28.639>gonna <00:22:28.756>be <00:22:28.873>number <00:22:28.990>one. <00:22:29.106>It's <00:22:29.223>the <00:22:29.340>easiest <00:22:29.456>thing <00:22:29.573>to <00:22:29.690>do.

374
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375
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376
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<00:22:37.140>just <00:22:37.267>like <00:22:37.394>bypass <00:22:37.521>stuff <00:22:37.649>and <00:22:37.776>get <00:22:37.903>a <00:22:38.030>lot <00:22:38.158>of <00:22:38.285>stuff, <00:22:38.412>memory <00:22:38.540>editing's,

377
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<00:22:41.230>kind <00:22:41.417>of <00:22:41.604>the <00:22:41.791>main <00:22:41.978>thing. <00:22:42.166>So

378
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<00:22:43.170>The <00:22:43.297>next <00:22:43.424>question <00:22:43.551>would <00:22:43.679>be, <00:22:43.806>how <00:22:43.933>could <00:22:44.060>such <00:22:44.188>game <00:22:44.315>cheating <00:22:44.442>be <00:22:44.570>detected?

379
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<00:22:47.140>Reliability. <00:22:48.540>Reliability,

380
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<00:22:49.500>Reliability <00:22:50.200>reliably. <00:22:50.900>Yep.

381
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<00:22:51.210>And <00:22:51.597>what <00:22:51.984>reliable,

382
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<00:22:52.180>What <00:22:52.307>stops <00:22:52.434>a <00:22:52.561>player <00:22:52.689>from <00:22:52.816>patching <00:22:52.943>the <00:22:53.070>patch <00:22:53.198>detection? <00:22:53.325>Great, <00:22:53.452>great <00:22:53.580>question.

383
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<00:22:56.890>Um, <00:22:57.240>so, <00:22:57.590>um, <00:22:57.940>you <00:22:58.290>know,

384
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<00:22:59.570>de <00:22:59.677>depending <00:22:59.785>iOS <00:22:59.893>we'll <00:23:00.000>just <00:23:00.108>talk <00:23:00.216>about <00:23:00.323>Android. <00:23:00.431>Um, <00:23:00.539>so <00:23:00.646>it <00:23:00.754>really <00:23:00.862>depends <00:23:00.970>on,

385
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<00:23:04.550>I <00:23:04.705>mean, <00:23:04.861>it's <00:23:05.016>easy <00:23:05.172>to <00:23:05.327>detect <00:23:05.483>patching. <00:23:05.638>Patching <00:23:05.794>is <00:23:05.950>patching,

386
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<00:23:07.910>whether <00:23:08.065>it's <00:23:08.221>patching <00:23:08.376>the <00:23:08.532>application <00:23:08.687>or <00:23:08.843>it's <00:23:08.998>patching <00:23:09.154>the, <00:23:09.310>uh,

387
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<00:23:11.490>the <00:23:11.913>defense <00:23:12.336>itself.

388
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<00:23:13.010>So <00:23:13.126>whether <00:23:13.243>it's <00:23:13.360>a <00:23:13.476>hook <00:23:13.593>or <00:23:13.710>whether <00:23:13.826>in <00:23:13.943>iOS <00:23:14.060>you're <00:23:14.176>Swizz <00:23:14.293>or <00:23:14.410>whatever,

389
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<00:23:17.930>you <00:23:18.057>know, <00:23:18.184>the <00:23:18.311>method <00:23:18.439>is <00:23:18.566>the <00:23:18.693>method. <00:23:18.820>And <00:23:18.948>so <00:23:19.075>if <00:23:19.202>you're <00:23:19.330>the,

390
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<00:23:20.890>if <00:23:21.123>you're <00:23:21.356>the <00:23:21.590>developer <00:23:21.823>of <00:23:22.056>the <00:23:22.290>defense,

391
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<00:23:22.660>then <00:23:22.815>obviously <00:23:22.971>if <00:23:23.126>you're <00:23:23.282>stopping <00:23:23.437>patching <00:23:23.593>or <00:23:23.748>you're <00:23:23.904>detecting <00:23:24.060>patching,

392
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<00:23:25.910>you're <00:23:26.323>gonna,

393
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<00:23:26.370>the <00:23:26.477>same <00:23:26.585>methodology <00:23:26.693>is <00:23:26.800>gonna <00:23:26.908>be <00:23:27.016>used <00:23:27.123>to <00:23:27.231>detect <00:23:27.339>the <00:23:27.446>actual <00:23:27.554>patch <00:23:27.662>on <00:23:27.770>the,

394
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<00:23:30.690>on <00:23:30.924>the <00:23:31.158>defense. <00:23:31.392>So, <00:23:31.626>I <00:23:31.860>mean,

395
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<00:23:31.990>it's <00:23:32.106>not <00:23:32.223>like <00:23:32.340>they're <00:23:32.456>not <00:23:32.573>gonna <00:23:32.690>use <00:23:32.806>something <00:23:32.923>different <00:23:33.040>over <00:23:33.156>there <00:23:33.273>when <00:23:33.390>they're

396
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<00:23:35.830>using <00:23:35.985>the <00:23:36.141>exact <00:23:36.296>same <00:23:36.452>method <00:23:36.607>in <00:23:36.763>the <00:23:36.918>app. <00:23:37.074>So. <00:23:37.230>Yep.

397
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398
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399
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<00:23:45.900>Is <00:23:46.027>it <00:23:46.154>some <00:23:46.281>kind <00:23:46.409>of <00:23:46.536>wrapper <00:23:46.663>that <00:23:46.790>wraps <00:23:46.918>are <00:23:47.045>on <00:23:47.172>the <00:23:47.300>unprotected

400
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<00:23:49.280>App? <00:23:49.387>Uh, <00:23:49.495>no. <00:23:49.603>So, <00:23:49.710>um, <00:23:49.818>so <00:23:49.926>the, <00:23:50.033>the <00:23:50.141>platform <00:23:50.249>itself <00:23:50.356>is <00:23:50.464>more <00:23:50.572>like, <00:23:50.680>um,

401
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<00:23:54.190>more <00:23:54.330>like <00:23:54.470>GI <00:23:54.610>than <00:23:54.750>it <00:23:54.890>is <00:23:55.030>a <00:23:55.170>wrapper. <00:23:55.310>So, <00:23:55.450>you <00:23:55.590>know,

402
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<00:23:57.240>think <00:23:57.327>of <00:23:57.415>it <00:23:57.502>as <00:23:57.590>a <00:23:57.677>build <00:23:57.765>system <00:23:57.852>for <00:23:57.940>mobile <00:23:58.027>app <00:23:58.115>defense. <00:23:58.202>So <00:23:58.290>the <00:23:58.377>way <00:23:58.465>it <00:23:58.552>works <00:23:58.640>is,

403
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<00:24:01.350>it's <00:24:01.701>a, <00:24:02.052>what <00:24:02.403>I,

404
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<00:24:02.550>what <00:24:02.657>I <00:24:02.765>built <00:24:02.873>seven <00:24:02.980>years <00:24:03.088>ago <00:24:03.196>was <00:24:03.303>essentially <00:24:03.411>a <00:24:03.519>learning <00:24:03.626>engine <00:24:03.734>to <00:24:03.842>code. <00:24:03.950>Um,

405
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406
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407
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<00:24:14.420>And <00:24:14.575>then <00:24:14.731>as <00:24:14.886>a <00:24:15.042>user <00:24:15.197>goes <00:24:15.353>and <00:24:15.508>selects <00:24:15.664>the <00:24:15.820>features,

408
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409
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So

410
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411
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<00:24:23.670>alternative <00:24:23.870>a <00:24:24.070>p <00:24:24.270>i <00:24:24.470>app <00:24:24.670>client <00:24:24.870>called <00:24:25.070>again?

412
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413
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<00:24:30.200>how <00:24:30.300>was <00:24:30.400>the <00:24:30.500>alternative <00:24:30.600>a <00:24:30.700>p <00:24:30.800>i <00:24:30.900>app <00:24:31.000>client <00:24:31.100>called <00:24:31.200>again <00:24:31.300>that <00:24:31.400>I <00:24:31.500>don't <00:24:31.600>know

414
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<00:24:34.940>what, <00:24:35.140>I <00:24:35.340>don't <00:24:35.540>understand <00:24:35.740>this <00:24:35.940>question, <00:24:36.140>so <00:24:36.340>sorry.

415
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416
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417
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