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372
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<00:20:12.165>to <00:20:12.365>have <00:20:12.565>allies <00:20:12.764>and <00:20:12.965>that <00:20:13.165>can <00:20:13.365>support <00:20:13.565>you.

373
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<00:20:15.485>Uh, <00:20:15.625>like, <00:20:15.764>you <00:20:15.905>know, <00:20:16.044>my <00:20:16.185>two <00:20:16.324>colleagues <00:20:16.465>could <00:20:16.604>have <00:20:16.745>done, <00:20:16.885>uh,

374
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<00:20:19.405>in <00:20:19.605>the <00:20:19.805>situation <00:20:20.004>that <00:20:20.205>I, <00:20:20.405>I <00:20:20.605>just <00:20:20.805>described.

375
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<00:20:24.535>So, <00:20:24.651>one <00:20:24.768>thing <00:20:24.885>that <00:20:25.001>I <00:20:25.118>saw <00:20:25.235>that, <00:20:25.351>uh, <00:20:25.468>really, <00:20:25.585>uh, <00:20:25.701>made <00:20:25.818>a <00:20:25.935>change

376
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<00:20:29.855>is <00:20:30.088>to <00:20:30.321>have <00:20:30.555>women <00:20:30.788>in <00:20:31.021>leadership <00:20:31.255>positions.

377
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<00:20:33.325>And <00:20:33.432>I <00:20:33.540>was, <00:20:33.648>I <00:20:33.755>am <00:20:33.863>lucky <00:20:33.971>enough <00:20:34.078>to, <00:20:34.186>in <00:20:34.294>my <00:20:34.401>three <00:20:34.509>last <00:20:34.617>roles, <00:20:34.725>um,

378
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<00:20:38.665>I <00:20:38.805>was <00:20:38.945>working <00:20:39.085>in <00:20:39.225>organizations <00:20:39.365>that <00:20:39.504>were, <00:20:39.645>uh, <00:20:39.784>led <00:20:39.925>by <00:20:40.065>women.

379
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<00:20:42.765>And <00:20:42.920>I <00:20:43.076>wanna <00:20:43.231>give <00:20:43.387>a <00:20:43.542>shout <00:20:43.698>out, <00:20:43.853>uh, <00:20:44.009>to <00:20:44.165>them,

380
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<00:20:45.765>uh, <00:20:46.071>in <00:20:46.377>this <00:20:46.683>slide.

381
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<00:20:47.665>Um, <00:20:47.865>I <00:20:48.065>think <00:20:48.264>it's <00:20:48.465>extremely <00:20:48.665>important, <00:20:48.865>not <00:20:49.065>only

382
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<00:20:50.685>because <00:20:50.918>they <00:20:51.151>can <00:20:51.385>be, <00:20:51.618>uh, <00:20:51.851>role <00:20:52.085>models,

383
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<00:20:53.785>but, <00:20:53.925>uh, <00:20:54.065>I <00:20:54.205>think <00:20:54.345>it's <00:20:54.485>important <00:20:54.625>if <00:20:54.765>they, <00:20:54.905>they <00:20:55.045>use <00:20:55.185>this,

384
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<00:20:57.595>this <00:20:57.885>power <00:20:58.175>that <00:20:58.465>they <00:20:58.756>have,

385
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<00:20:58.905>the <00:20:59.138>decision <00:20:59.371>making <00:20:59.605>to <00:20:59.838>make <00:21:00.071>things <00:21:00.305>different.

386
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<00:21:01.705>So <00:21:01.879>it's, <00:21:02.054>it's <00:21:02.230>not <00:21:02.405>enough <00:21:02.580>that <00:21:02.754>women <00:21:02.929>are <00:21:03.105>there.

387
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<00:21:04.245>I, <00:21:04.524>I <00:21:04.804>think <00:21:05.084>it's <00:21:05.364>first <00:21:05.645>step.

388
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<00:21:06.665>But <00:21:06.792>if <00:21:06.919>women <00:21:07.046>that <00:21:07.174>are <00:21:07.301>there, <00:21:07.428>they <00:21:07.555>are, <00:21:07.683>uh, <00:21:07.810>you <00:21:07.937>know, <00:21:08.065>they,

389
00:21:11.075 --> 00:21:15.125
<00:21:11.075>they <00:21:11.250>acknowledge <00:21:11.425>all <00:21:11.600>these, <00:21:11.775>these, <00:21:11.950>these <00:21:12.125>issues <00:21:12.300>that <00:21:12.475>I,

390
00:21:15.205 --> 00:21:16.285
<00:21:15.205>I <00:21:15.691>discussed <00:21:16.177>previously,

391
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<00:21:16.285>and <00:21:16.518>they <00:21:16.751>do <00:21:16.985>something <00:21:17.218>to <00:21:17.451>change <00:21:17.685>them.

392
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<00:21:18.385>Uh, <00:21:18.851>that's <00:21:19.318>extremely <00:21:19.785>helpful.

393
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<00:21:21.025>And <00:21:21.180>what <00:21:21.336>I've <00:21:21.491>seen <00:21:21.647>from, <00:21:21.802>uh, <00:21:21.958>uh, <00:21:22.113>having <00:21:22.269>the <00:21:22.425>opportunity

394
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<00:21:24.265>to <00:21:24.420>work <00:21:24.576>with <00:21:24.731>these, <00:21:24.887>uh, <00:21:25.042>fantastic <00:21:25.198>women <00:21:25.353>is <00:21:25.509>that <00:21:25.665>they,

395
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<00:21:28.075>they <00:21:28.329>were <00:21:28.583>aware <00:21:28.837>of <00:21:29.091>that,

396
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<00:21:29.585>and <00:21:29.740>they, <00:21:29.896>they <00:21:30.051>really <00:21:30.207>tried <00:21:30.362>to <00:21:30.518>change <00:21:30.673>the, <00:21:30.829>the <00:21:30.985>culture.

397
00:21:33.905 --> 00:21:37.805
<00:21:33.905>And <00:21:34.032>one <00:21:34.159>of <00:21:34.286>the <00:21:34.414>things <00:21:34.541>that <00:21:34.668>they <00:21:34.795>did, <00:21:34.923>for <00:21:35.050>instance, <00:21:35.177>was, <00:21:35.305>uh,

398
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<00:21:37.805>making <00:21:38.038>a <00:21:38.271>po <00:21:38.505>some <00:21:38.738>positive, <00:21:38.971>some <00:21:39.205>positive,

399
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<00:21:41.385>um, <00:21:42.085>uh, <00:21:42.785>yeah.

400
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<00:21:43.865>So, <00:21:44.065>so <00:21:44.265>for <00:21:44.465>instance, <00:21:44.665>they <00:21:44.865>are <00:21:45.065>trying <00:21:45.265>to,

401
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<00:21:47.465>to <00:21:47.665>hire <00:21:47.865>more <00:21:48.064>women <00:21:48.264>for, <00:21:48.465>for <00:21:48.665>the <00:21:48.865>roles.

402
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<00:21:50.425>Uh, <00:21:50.552>sometimes <00:21:50.679>when <00:21:50.806>I <00:21:50.934>say, <00:21:51.061>okay, <00:21:51.188>you <00:21:51.315>try <00:21:51.443>to <00:21:51.570>hire <00:21:51.697>more <00:21:51.825>women,

403
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<00:21:53.605>people <00:21:53.745>say, <00:21:53.885>yeah, <00:21:54.025>but <00:21:54.165>you <00:21:54.305>are, <00:21:54.445>we're <00:21:54.585>going <00:21:54.725>to <00:21:54.865>have <00:21:55.005>some,

404
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<00:21:55.995>someone <00:21:56.344>who <00:21:56.695>is <00:21:57.044>less <00:21:57.395>competent.

405
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<00:21:57.865>No, <00:21:58.040>uh, <00:21:58.215>it's <00:21:58.390>the <00:21:58.565>same, <00:21:58.740>uh, <00:21:58.915>we <00:21:59.090>don't, <00:21:59.265>uh,

406
00:22:01.695 --> 00:22:02.725
<00:22:01.695>lower <00:22:02.158>the <00:22:02.621>standards.

407
00:22:02.725 --> 00:22:04.805
<00:22:02.725>It's <00:22:02.899>the <00:22:03.074>same <00:22:03.250>standard, <00:22:03.425>but <00:22:03.600>you <00:22:03.774>can <00:22:03.949>always <00:22:04.125>try

408
00:22:04.805 --> 00:22:06.285
<00:22:04.805>to <00:22:05.027>find <00:22:05.249>a <00:22:05.471>woman <00:22:05.693>for <00:22:05.915>the <00:22:06.137>role.

409
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<00:22:06.905>And <00:22:07.080>I <00:22:07.254>think <00:22:07.430>this <00:22:07.605>will, <00:22:07.780>uh, <00:22:07.955>increase, <00:22:08.129>uh, <00:22:08.305>the,

410
00:22:10.665 --> 00:22:12.965
<00:22:10.665>the <00:22:10.945>diversity <00:22:11.225>in, <00:22:11.504>in <00:22:11.784>the <00:22:12.065>company,

411
00:22:13.385 --> 00:22:15.445
<00:22:13.385>and <00:22:13.665>it'll <00:22:13.945>change <00:22:14.225>all <00:22:14.504>the <00:22:14.785>dynamics.

412
00:22:15.495 --> 00:22:19.165
<00:22:15.495>It'll <00:22:15.669>also <00:22:15.844>make <00:22:16.020>teams <00:22:16.195>more <00:22:16.370>attractive, <00:22:16.544>uh, <00:22:16.719>for <00:22:16.895>women

413
00:22:19.165 --> 00:22:22.125
<00:22:19.165>that <00:22:19.340>perhaps <00:22:19.514>are, <00:22:19.690>you <00:22:19.865>know, <00:22:20.040>doing <00:22:20.215>a <00:22:20.389>job <00:22:20.565>interview

414
00:22:22.125 --> 00:22:25.205
<00:22:22.125>and <00:22:22.280>they <00:22:22.436>want <00:22:22.591>to <00:22:22.747>look <00:22:22.902>already <00:22:23.058>to <00:22:23.213>the, <00:22:23.369>to <00:22:23.525>diversity.

415
00:22:25.295 --> 00:22:29.655
<00:22:25.295>There. <00:22:25.450>Is <00:22:25.606>there <00:22:25.761>other <00:22:25.917>things <00:22:26.072>like, <00:22:26.228>you <00:22:26.383>know, <00:22:26.539>creating, <00:22:26.695>uh,

416
00:22:29.655 --> 00:22:34.175
<00:22:29.655>more <00:22:29.855>flexible <00:22:30.055>flexibility, <00:22:30.254>um, <00:22:30.455>you <00:22:30.655>know, <00:22:30.855>to, <00:22:31.055>uh,

417
00:22:34.175 --> 00:22:37.255
<00:22:34.175>basically <00:22:34.408>to <00:22:34.641>create <00:22:34.875>a <00:22:35.108>more, <00:22:35.341>um, <00:22:35.575>diverse

418
00:22:37.635 --> 00:22:40.575
<00:22:37.635>and <00:22:37.915>inclusive <00:22:38.195>culture <00:22:38.475>in <00:22:38.754>the <00:22:39.035>workplace.

419
00:22:40.715 --> 00:22:43.215
<00:22:40.715>And, <00:22:40.870>and <00:22:41.026>this <00:22:41.181>is <00:22:41.337>only <00:22:41.492>possible <00:22:41.648>if <00:22:41.803>you <00:22:41.959>have, <00:22:42.115>uh,

420
00:22:43.215 --> 00:22:45.695
<00:22:43.215>women <00:22:43.495>sitting <00:22:43.774>on, <00:22:44.054>on, <00:22:44.334>on <00:22:44.615>leadership.

421
00:22:46.235 --> 00:22:49.335
<00:22:46.235>Um, <00:22:46.375>there <00:22:46.514>are, <00:22:46.655>there <00:22:46.794>are <00:22:46.935>of <00:22:47.074>course, <00:22:47.215>men <00:22:47.354>that <00:22:47.495>are <00:22:47.635>extremely,

422
00:22:49.435 --> 00:22:51.335
<00:22:49.435>uh, <00:22:49.784>sensitive <00:22:50.135>to <00:22:50.485>these <00:22:50.835>topics,

423
00:22:51.755 --> 00:22:53.615
<00:22:51.755>and, <00:22:51.988>you <00:22:52.221>know, <00:22:52.455>I <00:22:52.688>really <00:22:52.921>appreciate <00:22:53.155>that.

424
00:22:53.995 --> 00:22:57.095
<00:22:53.995>But <00:22:54.274>sometimes, <00:22:54.554>uh, <00:22:54.834>men <00:22:55.114>can, <00:22:55.395>can

425
00:22:58.115 --> 00:22:59.335
<00:22:58.115>not, <00:22:58.389>not <00:22:58.664>see <00:22:58.938>these <00:22:59.213>things.

426
00:22:59.595 --> 00:23:01.135
<00:22:59.595>Not, <00:23:00.057>it's <00:23:00.519>not, <00:23:00.981>uh,

427
00:23:01.605 --> 00:23:03.935
<00:23:01.605>because <00:23:01.885>they <00:23:02.165>are, <00:23:02.445>uh, <00:23:02.725>bad <00:23:03.005>intention,

428
00:23:03.965 --> 00:23:05.295
<00:23:03.965>they <00:23:04.264>have <00:23:04.563>bad <00:23:04.862>intentions, <00:23:05.162>but

429
00:23:05.295 --> 00:23:09.255
<00:23:05.295>because, <00:23:05.435>you <00:23:05.575>know, <00:23:05.715>sometimes <00:23:05.855>when <00:23:05.995>we <00:23:06.135>are <00:23:06.275>not <00:23:06.415>part <00:23:06.555>of, <00:23:06.695>uh,

430
00:23:09.395 --> 00:23:10.495
<00:23:09.395>of <00:23:09.642>a <00:23:09.889>problem, <00:23:10.137>we're <00:23:10.385>not,

431
00:23:10.545 --> 00:23:12.975
<00:23:10.545>we're <00:23:10.745>not <00:23:10.945>suffering <00:23:11.145>the <00:23:11.345>problem <00:23:11.545>in <00:23:11.745>our <00:23:11.945>skin.

432
00:23:13.165 --> 00:23:16.935
<00:23:13.165>It's <00:23:13.272>hard <00:23:13.380>for <00:23:13.488>us <00:23:13.595>to, <00:23:13.703>to, <00:23:13.811>to <00:23:13.918>see <00:23:14.026>it <00:23:14.134>and, <00:23:14.241>and <00:23:14.349>to <00:23:14.457>perceive <00:23:14.565>it.

433
00:23:20.645 --> 00:23:24.335
<00:23:20.645>Okay. <00:23:20.845>So, <00:23:21.045>um, <00:23:21.245>I'm <00:23:21.445>going <00:23:21.645>to <00:23:21.845>move <00:23:22.045>now

434
00:23:24.475 --> 00:23:27.735
<00:23:24.475>to <00:23:24.615>the <00:23:24.754>second <00:23:24.895>half <00:23:25.034>of <00:23:25.175>my <00:23:25.314>career, <00:23:25.455>which <00:23:25.594>I <00:23:25.735>call <00:23:25.875>the,

435
00:23:28.235 --> 00:23:29.335
<00:23:28.235>the <00:23:28.565>more <00:23:28.895>mixed <00:23:29.225>roles.

436
00:23:29.875 --> 00:23:33.855
<00:23:29.875>So <00:23:30.050>these <00:23:30.225>were <00:23:30.400>the <00:23:30.575>roles <00:23:30.750>that <00:23:30.925>include <00:23:31.100>tech <00:23:31.275>skills,

437
00:23:33.915 --> 00:23:37.695
<00:23:33.915>but, <00:23:34.195>uh, <00:23:34.475>more <00:23:34.754>also <00:23:35.034>soft <00:23:35.315>skills.

438
00:23:38.715 --> 00:23:43.615
<00:23:38.715>And, <00:23:38.870>um, <00:23:39.026>in <00:23:39.181>these <00:23:39.337>roles, <00:23:39.492>um, <00:23:39.648>you <00:23:39.803>can, <00:23:39.959>one, <00:23:40.115>one

439
00:23:43.615 --> 00:23:47.405
<00:23:43.615>of <00:23:43.755>the <00:23:43.895>characteristics <00:23:44.035>that <00:23:44.175>they <00:23:44.315>have <00:23:44.455>is <00:23:44.595>that <00:23:44.735>they <00:23:44.875>are <00:23:45.015>more,

440
00:23:47.505 --> 00:23:49.765
<00:23:47.505>uh, <00:23:47.738>there <00:23:47.971>is <00:23:48.205>a <00:23:48.438>component <00:23:48.671>of <00:23:48.905>visibility.

441
00:23:50.265 --> 00:23:53.925
<00:23:50.265>So <00:23:50.545>there's <00:23:50.825>more, <00:23:51.105>uh, <00:23:51.385>outreach <00:23:51.665>involved.

442
00:23:54.585 --> 00:23:56.285
<00:23:54.585>So, <00:23:55.285>uh, <00:23:55.985>communication.

443
00:23:56.305 --> 00:24:00.165
<00:23:56.305>So <00:23:56.445>instead <00:23:56.585>of <00:23:56.725>being <00:23:56.865>just <00:23:57.005>a, <00:23:57.145>of, <00:23:57.285>of <00:23:57.425>being <00:23:57.565>a <00:23:57.705>developer,

444
00:24:00.165 --> 00:24:05.125
<00:24:00.165>that <00:24:00.305>is, <00:24:00.445>you <00:24:00.585>know, <00:24:00.725>in <00:24:00.865>a <00:24:01.004>room, <00:24:01.145>uh, <00:24:01.284>programming, <00:24:01.425>uh, <00:24:01.565>speaking

445
00:24:05.185 --> 00:24:07.245
<00:24:05.185>to, <00:24:05.465>to <00:24:05.745>very <00:24:06.024>few <00:24:06.304>people, <00:24:06.585>um,

446
00:24:07.945 --> 00:24:11.685
<00:24:07.945>and, <00:24:08.100>you <00:24:08.256>know, <00:24:08.411>not <00:24:08.567>having, <00:24:08.722>uh, <00:24:08.878>contact, <00:24:09.033>uh, <00:24:09.189>with <00:24:09.345>the,

447
00:24:12.445 --> 00:24:17.345
<00:24:12.445>the <00:24:12.600>people <00:24:12.756>that <00:24:12.911>are <00:24:13.067>using <00:24:13.222>the <00:24:13.378>product <00:24:13.533>or, <00:24:13.689>um, <00:24:13.845>or,

448
00:24:17.445 --> 00:24:21.865
<00:24:17.445>or, <00:24:17.552>or <00:24:17.660>the <00:24:17.768>rest <00:24:17.875>of <00:24:17.983>the <00:24:18.091>world <00:24:18.198>in <00:24:18.306>terms <00:24:18.414>of <00:24:18.521>the, <00:24:18.629>in, <00:24:18.737>in <00:24:18.845>terms

449
00:24:21.885 --> 00:24:25.025
<00:24:21.885>of <00:24:22.118>the, <00:24:22.351>what, <00:24:22.585>what <00:24:22.818>they <00:24:23.051>were <00:24:23.285>developing,

450
00:24:25.805 --> 00:24:27.225
<00:24:25.805>uh, <00:24:26.060>in <00:24:26.316>this <00:24:26.571>kind <00:24:26.827>of <00:24:27.082>roles.

451
00:24:27.315 --> 00:24:29.425
<00:24:27.315>There <00:24:27.548>is, <00:24:27.781>uh, <00:24:28.015>there <00:24:28.248>is <00:24:28.481>more <00:24:28.715>visibility,

452
00:24:29.515 --> 00:24:31.105
<00:24:29.515>there <00:24:29.795>is <00:24:30.075>more <00:24:30.355>contact <00:24:30.635>with <00:24:30.915>others.

453
00:24:31.845 --> 00:24:35.065
<00:24:31.845>Uh, <00:24:32.020>and <00:24:32.195>I <00:24:32.370>think <00:24:32.545>that's <00:24:32.720>extremely <00:24:32.895>important <00:24:33.070>in <00:24:33.245>terms

454
00:24:35.085 --> 00:24:36.185
<00:24:35.085>of <00:24:35.415>having <00:24:35.745>an <00:24:36.075>impact.

455
00:24:36.185 --> 00:24:40.745
<00:24:36.185>Because, <00:24:36.325>uh, <00:24:36.465>if <00:24:36.605>you <00:24:36.745>are <00:24:36.885>hidden, <00:24:37.024>like <00:24:37.165>in <00:24:37.304>a <00:24:37.445>corner, <00:24:37.585>uh,

456
00:24:41.335 --> 00:24:43.065
<00:24:41.335>programming, <00:24:41.615>just <00:24:41.895>doing <00:24:42.175>your <00:24:42.455>work, <00:24:42.735>that,

457
00:24:43.065 --> 00:24:46.025
<00:24:43.065>like <00:24:43.205>I <00:24:43.345>was <00:24:43.485>doing <00:24:43.625>the, <00:24:43.765>in <00:24:43.905>the <00:24:44.045>Pure <00:24:44.185>Tech <00:24:44.325>roles, <00:24:44.465>uh,

458
00:24:46.095 --> 00:24:47.425
<00:24:46.095>once <00:24:46.294>in <00:24:46.494>a <00:24:46.693>while, <00:24:46.893>having <00:24:47.092>a <00:24:47.292>meeting,

459
00:24:47.485 --> 00:24:50.705
<00:24:47.485>but <00:24:47.685>is <00:24:47.885>an <00:24:48.084>internal <00:24:48.284>meeting, <00:24:48.485>uh, <00:24:48.685>then, <00:24:48.885>uh,

460
00:24:51.485 --> 00:24:52.665
<00:24:51.485>you <00:24:51.839>don't <00:24:52.193>have <00:24:52.547>visibility.

461
00:24:52.805 --> 00:24:57.305
<00:24:52.805>So <00:24:52.932>you <00:24:53.059>cannot, <00:24:53.186>um, <00:24:53.314>first <00:24:53.441>of <00:24:53.568>all, <00:24:53.695>you <00:24:53.823>cannot <00:24:53.950>see <00:24:54.077>what, <00:24:54.205>uh,

462
00:24:57.315 --> 00:25:01.105
<00:24:57.315>other <00:24:57.455>people <00:24:57.595>are <00:24:57.735>doing, <00:24:57.875>but <00:24:58.015>people <00:24:58.155>don't <00:24:58.295>see <00:24:58.435>you <00:24:58.575>also, <00:24:58.715>um,

463
00:25:01.805 --> 00:25:04.305
<00:25:01.805>in <00:25:02.005>the, <00:25:02.205>in, <00:25:02.405>in <00:25:02.605>what <00:25:02.805>you <00:25:03.005>are <00:25:03.205>doing.

464
00:25:04.305 --> 00:25:05.625
<00:25:04.305>And <00:25:04.701>that's <00:25:05.097>extremely <00:25:05.493>important

465
00:25:05.625 --> 00:25:09.705
<00:25:05.625>because, <00:25:05.765>uh, <00:25:05.905>we <00:25:06.045>want <00:25:06.185>to <00:25:06.325>have <00:25:06.465>more, <00:25:06.605>uh, <00:25:06.745>role <00:25:06.885>models <00:25:07.025>around.

466
00:25:10.005 --> 00:25:12.345
<00:25:10.005>And <00:25:10.238>I <00:25:10.471>think <00:25:10.705>the, <00:25:10.938>the <00:25:11.171>previous <00:25:11.405>talk,

467
00:25:12.965 --> 00:25:16.705
<00:25:12.965>we <00:25:13.105>heard <00:25:13.245>a <00:25:13.385>lot <00:25:13.524>about <00:25:13.665>public <00:25:13.804>speaking, <00:25:13.945>how <00:25:14.084>important <00:25:14.225>it <00:25:14.365>is

468
00:25:16.965 --> 00:25:19.785
<00:25:16.965>to, <00:25:17.120>you <00:25:17.276>know, <00:25:17.431>to <00:25:17.587>take <00:25:17.742>your, <00:25:17.898>our <00:25:18.053>message <00:25:18.209>out <00:25:18.365>there.

469
00:25:20.245 --> 00:25:22.225
<00:25:20.245>Not, <00:25:20.478>not <00:25:20.711>only <00:25:20.945>for <00:25:21.178>our <00:25:21.411>own <00:25:21.645>career,

470
00:25:22.445 --> 00:25:26.545
<00:25:22.445>but <00:25:22.620>in <00:25:22.794>terms <00:25:22.970>of <00:25:23.145>also, <00:25:23.320>uh, <00:25:23.495>inspiring, <00:25:23.669>inspiring <00:25:23.845>others.

471
00:25:27.445 --> 00:25:31.545
<00:25:27.445>So <00:25:27.552>I, <00:25:27.660>I <00:25:27.768>think, <00:25:27.875>uh, <00:25:27.983>in <00:25:28.091>a <00:25:28.198>way, <00:25:28.306>I <00:25:28.414>was, <00:25:28.521>uh, <00:25:28.629>a <00:25:28.737>bit <00:25:28.845>disappointed

472
00:25:31.775 --> 00:25:33.945
<00:25:31.775>with, <00:25:32.055>uh, <00:25:32.335>the <00:25:32.615>lack <00:25:32.895>of <00:25:33.175>visibility.

473
00:25:34.685 --> 00:25:38.865
<00:25:34.685>And <00:25:34.812>I <00:25:34.939>think <00:25:35.066>I <00:25:35.194>was <00:25:35.321>also <00:25:35.448>disappointed <00:25:35.575>with, <00:25:35.703>uh, <00:25:35.830>the <00:25:35.957>lack, <00:25:36.085>uh,

474
00:25:38.925 --> 00:25:42.385
<00:25:38.925>of <00:25:39.080>ability <00:25:39.236>to, <00:25:39.391>to <00:25:39.547>make <00:25:39.702>decisions <00:25:39.858>and, <00:25:40.013>and <00:25:40.169>to <00:25:40.325>lead

475
00:25:42.385 --> 00:25:45.985
<00:25:42.385>because, <00:25:42.585>uh, <00:25:42.785>I <00:25:42.985>saw <00:25:43.185>people <00:25:43.385>make <00:25:43.585>making <00:25:43.785>decisions.

476
00:25:46.005 --> 00:25:48.985
<00:25:46.005>And <00:25:46.160>I, <00:25:46.316>sometimes <00:25:46.471>I <00:25:46.627>did <00:25:46.782>not <00:25:46.938>agree <00:25:47.093>with <00:25:47.249>those <00:25:47.405>decisions,

477
00:25:48.985 --> 00:25:50.665
<00:25:48.985>but <00:25:49.185>I, <00:25:49.385>I <00:25:49.584>could <00:25:49.784>also <00:25:49.985>not <00:25:50.185>do <00:25:50.385>anything,

478
00:25:50.685 --> 00:25:52.265
<00:25:50.685>so <00:25:50.918>I <00:25:51.151>could <00:25:51.385>not <00:25:51.618>have <00:25:51.851>real <00:25:52.085>impact.

479
00:25:53.045 --> 00:25:56.265
<00:25:53.045>Uh, <00:25:53.185>and <00:25:53.325>all <00:25:53.465>these <00:25:53.605>things, <00:25:53.745>uh, <00:25:53.885>start <00:25:54.025>to <00:25:54.165>resonate <00:25:54.305>with <00:25:54.445>me.

480
00:25:56.645 --> 00:25:59.385
<00:25:56.645>And <00:25:56.820>then <00:25:56.995>that's <00:25:57.170>when <00:25:57.345>I <00:25:57.520>start <00:25:57.695>to <00:25:57.870>take <00:25:58.045>more,

481
00:25:59.565 --> 00:26:00.985
<00:25:59.565>uh, <00:25:59.991>these <00:26:00.417>mixed <00:26:00.842>roles.

482
00:26:03.195 --> 00:26:07.835
<00:26:03.195>So <00:26:03.288>I <00:26:03.381>want <00:26:03.475>to, <00:26:03.568>um, <00:26:03.661>focus <00:26:03.754>a <00:26:03.848>bit <00:26:03.941>on <00:26:04.034>a, <00:26:04.128>in <00:26:04.221>a <00:26:04.314>role <00:26:04.408>that <00:26:04.501>I <00:26:04.595>had

483
00:26:07.945 --> 00:26:10.745
<00:26:07.945>that <00:26:08.225>was, <00:26:08.504>um, <00:26:08.784>related <00:26:09.064>to <00:26:09.345>education.

484
00:26:11.805 --> 00:26:15.745
<00:26:11.805>Uh, <00:26:11.932>so <00:26:12.059>I <00:26:12.186>work <00:26:12.314>in <00:26:12.441>a, <00:26:12.568>in <00:26:12.695>a <00:26:12.823>code <00:26:12.950>school <00:26:13.077>for, <00:26:13.205>uh,

485
00:26:15.795 --> 00:26:18.785
<00:26:15.795>women <00:26:16.145>non-binary <00:26:16.495>and <00:26:16.845>transgender <00:26:17.195>individuals.

486
00:26:19.085 --> 00:26:23.345
<00:26:19.085>So <00:26:19.225>code <00:26:19.365>school, <00:26:19.505>it <00:26:19.645>was <00:26:19.785>a <00:26:19.925>school <00:26:20.065>where <00:26:20.205>that <00:26:20.345>created, <00:26:20.485>uh,

487
00:26:23.655 --> 00:26:26.745
<00:26:23.655>bootcamps, <00:26:23.888>uh, <00:26:24.121>in <00:26:24.355>full <00:26:24.588>stack <00:26:24.821>development <00:26:25.055>and,

488
00:26:26.805 --> 00:26:30.025
<00:26:26.805>and <00:26:27.005>data <00:26:27.205>science <00:26:27.405>for, <00:26:27.605>uh, <00:26:27.805>people <00:26:28.005>who <00:26:28.205>wanted

489
00:26:30.045 --> 00:26:31.745
<00:26:30.045>to <00:26:30.511>transition <00:26:30.978>to <00:26:31.445>tech.

490
00:26:32.765 --> 00:26:36.705
<00:26:32.765>So <00:26:32.965>we <00:26:33.165>have, <00:26:33.365>uh, <00:26:33.565>people <00:26:33.765>from <00:26:33.965>diverse <00:26:34.165>backgrounds.

491
00:26:36.735 --> 00:26:41.625
<00:26:36.735>They <00:26:36.890>could <00:26:37.046>be, <00:26:37.201>uh, <00:26:37.357>you <00:26:37.512>know, <00:26:37.668>lawyers, <00:26:37.823>uh, <00:26:37.979>designers, <00:26:38.135>uh,

492
00:26:41.945 --> 00:26:43.925
<00:26:41.945>teachers, <00:26:42.294>uh, <00:26:42.645>and <00:26:42.995>so <00:26:43.345>on.

493
00:26:44.235 --> 00:26:47.485
<00:26:44.235>Many <00:26:44.375>of <00:26:44.514>them <00:26:44.655>even, <00:26:44.794>uh, <00:26:44.935>could <00:26:45.074>be <00:26:45.215>unemployed <00:26:45.354>at <00:26:45.495>the <00:26:45.635>time.

494
00:26:48.305 --> 00:26:52.245
<00:26:48.305>And <00:26:48.460>they <00:26:48.616>basically, <00:26:48.771>uh, <00:26:48.927>worked <00:26:49.082>very <00:26:49.238>hard <00:26:49.393>during <00:26:49.549>these, <00:26:49.705>uh,

495
00:26:52.535 --> 00:26:54.445
<00:26:52.535>these <00:26:52.885>three <00:26:53.235>months <00:26:53.585>or <00:26:53.935>so.

496
00:26:54.445 --> 00:26:57.605
<00:26:54.445>They <00:26:54.600>took <00:26:54.756>the, <00:26:54.911>uh, <00:26:55.067>for <00:26:55.222>the <00:26:55.378>bootcamp <00:26:55.533>to <00:26:55.689>take <00:26:55.845>part,

497
00:26:57.985 --> 00:26:59.205
<00:26:57.985>and <00:26:58.204>then <00:26:58.424>they <00:26:58.643>would <00:26:58.863>go <00:26:59.082>out

498
00:26:59.345 --> 00:27:03.085
<00:26:59.345>and <00:26:59.520>they, <00:26:59.695>they <00:26:59.870>would <00:27:00.045>start <00:27:00.220>working, <00:27:00.395>uh, <00:27:00.570>in <00:27:00.745>technology.

499
00:27:04.585 --> 00:27:08.565
<00:27:04.585>So <00:27:04.701>I <00:27:04.818>think <00:27:04.935>it's, <00:27:05.051>uh, <00:27:05.168>it's <00:27:05.285>an <00:27:05.401>important <00:27:05.518>tool <00:27:05.635>if <00:27:05.751>we <00:27:05.868>want, <00:27:05.985>uh,

500
00:27:09.065 --> 00:27:13.325
<00:27:09.065>you <00:27:09.205>know, <00:27:09.345>one <00:27:09.485>hand <00:27:09.625>if <00:27:09.765>we <00:27:09.905>want <00:27:10.045>to, <00:27:10.185>uh, <00:27:10.325>fit <00:27:10.465>the,

501
00:27:13.785 --> 00:27:16.805
<00:27:13.785>the <00:27:13.940>tech <00:27:14.096>industry <00:27:14.251>with <00:27:14.407>the, <00:27:14.562>the <00:27:14.718>roles <00:27:14.873>that <00:27:15.029>they <00:27:15.185>need,

502
00:27:16.805 --> 00:27:19.045
<00:27:16.805>because <00:27:16.945>there's <00:27:17.085>a, <00:27:17.225>there's <00:27:17.365>a <00:27:17.505>need <00:27:17.645>for <00:27:17.785>a <00:27:17.925>lot <00:27:18.065>of <00:27:18.205>people

503
00:27:19.465 --> 00:27:21.685
<00:27:19.465>to <00:27:19.814>work <00:27:20.165>in <00:27:20.514>different, <00:27:20.865>uh,

504
00:27:22.145 --> 00:27:23.885
<00:27:22.145>in <00:27:22.425>different <00:27:22.705>roles <00:27:22.985>in <00:27:23.264>tech <00:27:23.545>industry

505
00:27:24.065 --> 00:27:27.285
<00:27:24.065>and <00:27:24.265>whether <00:27:24.465>in <00:27:24.665>development, <00:27:24.865>AI <00:27:25.065>and <00:27:25.265>so <00:27:25.465>on.

506
00:27:27.865 --> 00:27:31.725
<00:27:27.865>Uh, <00:27:28.098>and <00:27:28.331>we <00:27:28.565>cannot, <00:27:28.798>uh, <00:27:29.031>um, <00:27:29.265>educate

507
00:27:31.745 --> 00:27:35.165
<00:27:31.745>or <00:27:31.945>we <00:27:32.145>cannot <00:27:32.344>develop <00:27:32.544>quickly <00:27:32.745>enough, <00:27:32.945>uh, <00:27:33.145>professionals

508
00:27:35.165 --> 00:27:37.885
<00:27:35.165>that <00:27:35.445>can, <00:27:35.725>uh, <00:27:36.004>met <00:27:36.284>those <00:27:36.565>needs.

509
00:27:38.545 --> 00:27:42.005
<00:27:38.545>Uh, <00:27:38.661>and <00:27:38.778>at <00:27:38.895>the <00:27:39.011>same <00:27:39.128>time, <00:27:39.245>uh, <00:27:39.361>there <00:27:39.478>are <00:27:39.595>a <00:27:39.711>lot <00:27:39.828>of <00:27:39.945>people

510
00:27:42.105 --> 00:27:44.445
<00:27:42.105>who <00:27:42.305>would <00:27:42.505>like <00:27:42.705>to, <00:27:42.905>uh, <00:27:43.105>transition <00:27:43.305>to <00:27:43.505>tech

511
00:27:44.445 --> 00:27:47.165
<00:27:44.445>and <00:27:44.600>learn <00:27:44.756>about <00:27:44.911>tech <00:27:45.067>and, <00:27:45.222>and <00:27:45.378>start <00:27:45.533>working <00:27:45.689>in <00:27:45.845>tech.

512
00:27:47.345 --> 00:27:49.765
<00:27:47.345>And <00:27:47.520>this <00:27:47.695>is, <00:27:47.870>uh, <00:27:48.045>I <00:27:48.220>think <00:27:48.395>an <00:27:48.570>important <00:27:48.745>tool

513
00:27:49.765 --> 00:27:51.925
<00:27:49.765>or, <00:27:49.998>uh, <00:27:50.231>it <00:27:50.465>could <00:27:50.698>be <00:27:50.931>an <00:27:51.165>option.

514
00:27:52.185 --> 00:27:54.925
<00:27:52.185>Uh, <00:27:52.301>if <00:27:52.418>you <00:27:52.534>don't <00:27:52.651>wanna <00:27:52.768>go <00:27:52.885>all <00:27:53.001>the <00:27:53.118>way <00:27:53.235>back <00:27:53.351>to, <00:27:53.468>to <00:27:53.585>university

515
00:27:54.985 --> 00:27:57.965
<00:27:54.985>and <00:27:55.140>study, <00:27:55.296>of <00:27:55.451>course, <00:27:55.607>you, <00:27:55.762>you, <00:27:55.918>you <00:27:56.073>start <00:27:56.229>with, <00:27:56.385>uh,

516
00:27:58.465 --> 00:28:02.085
<00:27:58.465>the <00:27:58.605>junior <00:27:58.745>role, <00:27:58.885>and <00:27:59.024>then <00:27:59.165>you <00:27:59.304>can <00:27:59.445>transition, <00:27:59.584>you <00:27:59.725>know, <00:27:59.865>uh,

517
00:28:03.115 --> 00:28:05.205
<00:28:03.115>depending <00:28:03.395>on <00:28:03.675>your <00:28:03.955>interest, <00:28:04.235>your <00:28:04.515>skills,

518
00:28:05.205 --> 00:28:07.445
<00:28:05.205>your <00:28:05.485>motivation, <00:28:05.764>uh, <00:28:06.044>and <00:28:06.324>so <00:28:06.605>on.

519
00:28:07.445 --> 00:28:10.605
<00:28:07.445>But <00:28:07.572>I, <00:28:07.699>I, <00:28:07.826>I <00:28:07.954>think <00:28:08.081>it's, <00:28:08.208>it's <00:28:08.335>a <00:28:08.463>very, <00:28:08.590>uh, <00:28:08.717>positive <00:28:08.845>thing.

520
00:28:11.455 --> 00:28:15.035
<00:28:11.455>Um, <00:28:11.629>what, <00:28:11.804>what <00:28:11.980>I <00:28:12.155>would <00:28:12.330>like <00:28:12.504>to, <00:28:12.679>um, <00:28:12.855>discuss

521
00:28:15.095 --> 00:28:19.715
<00:28:15.095>for <00:28:15.235>a <00:28:15.375>moment <00:28:15.515>is <00:28:15.655>why <00:28:15.795>creating <00:28:15.935>a <00:28:16.075>code <00:28:16.215>school <00:28:16.355>for <00:28:16.495>women,

522
00:28:20.215 --> 00:28:22.235
<00:28:20.215>uh, <00:28:20.681>non-binary, <00:28:21.148>intergender <00:28:21.615>individuals.

523
00:28:22.235 --> 00:28:24.155
<00:28:22.235>Why, <00:28:22.584>why <00:28:22.935>specifically <00:28:23.284>targeting <00:28:23.635>them?

524
00:28:24.655 --> 00:28:25.875
<00:28:24.655>Uh, <00:28:25.021>and <00:28:25.387>sometimes <00:28:25.753>I,

525
00:28:26.115 --> 00:28:27.875
<00:28:26.115>I <00:28:26.315>got <00:28:26.515>many <00:28:26.715>people <00:28:26.915>asking <00:28:27.115>me <00:28:27.315>the <00:28:27.515>question,

526
00:28:27.895 --> 00:28:29.115
<00:28:27.895>so <00:28:28.114>what, <00:28:28.334>what <00:28:28.553>do <00:28:28.773>you <00:28:28.993>do?

527
00:28:29.175 --> 00:28:32.915
<00:28:29.175>Do <00:28:29.330>you, <00:28:29.486>uh, <00:28:29.641>lower <00:28:29.797>the, <00:28:29.952>the <00:28:30.108>standards, <00:28:30.263>the, <00:28:30.419>the <00:28:30.575>technical,

528
00:28:33.455 --> 00:28:35.115
<00:28:33.455>uh, <00:28:33.804>complexity <00:28:34.155>of <00:28:34.504>the <00:28:34.855>course?

529
00:28:35.575 --> 00:28:38.555
<00:28:35.575>Now, <00:28:35.715>of <00:28:35.855>course, <00:28:35.995>we, <00:28:36.135>we <00:28:36.275>don't, <00:28:36.415>we <00:28:36.555>did <00:28:36.695>not <00:28:36.835>do <00:28:36.975>that.

530
00:28:38.695 --> 00:28:42.395
<00:28:38.695>So <00:28:38.835>the <00:28:38.975>technical <00:28:39.115>content <00:28:39.254>of <00:28:39.395>the <00:28:39.534>course <00:28:39.675>was, <00:28:39.814>uh, <00:28:39.955>you <00:28:40.095>know,

531
00:28:42.395 --> 00:28:45.515
<00:28:42.395>exactly <00:28:42.595>the <00:28:42.795>same <00:28:42.995>as <00:28:43.195>in <00:28:43.395>a <00:28:43.595>regular <00:28:43.795>bootcamp.

532
00:28:46.175 --> 00:28:50.075
<00:28:46.175>Uh, <00:28:46.315>what <00:28:46.455>what <00:28:46.595>we <00:28:46.735>need <00:28:46.875>was <00:28:47.014>creating <00:28:47.155>a, <00:28:47.294>a <00:28:47.435>safe <00:28:47.575>environment

533
00:28:50.615 --> 00:28:51.915
<00:28:50.615>for <00:28:51.200>women <00:28:51.784>and,

534
00:28:51.935 --> 00:28:56.755
<00:28:51.935>and <00:28:52.135>these <00:28:52.335>other, <00:28:52.534>uh, <00:28:52.735>individuals <00:28:52.935>to <00:28:53.135>feel, <00:28:53.335>uh,

535
00:28:57.025 --> 00:29:01.995
<00:28:57.025>safe, <00:28:57.180>to <00:28:57.336>feel, <00:28:57.491>uh, <00:28:57.647>comfortable <00:28:57.802>in <00:28:57.958>order <00:28:58.113>to, <00:28:58.269>to <00:28:58.425>explore,

536
00:29:02.535 --> 00:29:04.315
<00:29:02.535>uh, <00:29:03.235>and <00:29:03.935>learn.

537
00:29:05.155 --> 00:29:09.235
<00:29:05.155>'cause, <00:29:05.295>uh, <00:29:05.435>this <00:29:05.575>is <00:29:05.715>a <00:29:05.855>very, <00:29:05.995>uh, <00:29:06.135>fast <00:29:06.274>paced, <00:29:06.415>uh, <00:29:06.555>environment.

538
00:29:09.265 --> 00:29:10.275
<00:29:09.265>It's <00:29:09.719>very <00:29:10.174>intensive.

539
00:29:10.825 --> 00:29:12.995
<00:29:10.825>Sometimes <00:29:11.058>it <00:29:11.291>can <00:29:11.525>be, <00:29:11.758>uh, <00:29:11.991>you <00:29:12.225>know,

540
00:29:12.995 --> 00:29:14.515
<00:29:12.995>emotionally <00:29:13.679>very <00:29:14.363>challenging.

541
00:29:14.795 --> 00:29:16.075
<00:29:14.795>'cause <00:29:14.959>you <00:29:15.124>are <00:29:15.288>learning <00:29:15.453>a <00:29:15.617>lot <00:29:15.782>of <00:29:15.947>things.

542
00:29:16.135 --> 00:29:19.915
<00:29:16.135>You <00:29:16.310>are <00:29:16.485>facing <00:29:16.660>all <00:29:16.835>your <00:29:17.010>insecurities, <00:29:17.185>all <00:29:17.360>your <00:29:17.535>fears.

543
00:29:20.295 --> 00:29:23.075
<00:29:20.295>So <00:29:20.450>you <00:29:20.606>need <00:29:20.761>to <00:29:20.917>be, <00:29:21.072>you <00:29:21.228>need <00:29:21.383>to <00:29:21.539>feel <00:29:21.695>comfortable.

544
00:29:23.135 --> 00:29:25.155
<00:29:23.135>You <00:29:23.290>need <00:29:23.446>to <00:29:23.601>be <00:29:23.757>in <00:29:23.912>an <00:29:24.068>environment <00:29:24.223>where <00:29:24.379>you <00:29:24.535>know

545
00:29:25.155 --> 00:29:26.835
<00:29:25.155>that <00:29:25.330>you <00:29:25.504>can <00:29:25.680>raise <00:29:25.855>your <00:29:26.030>hand <00:29:26.205>and <00:29:26.379>ask <00:29:26.555>questions,

546
00:29:27.375 --> 00:29:30.915
<00:29:27.375>and <00:29:27.491>no <00:29:27.608>one <00:29:27.725>will <00:29:27.841>look <00:29:27.958>at <00:29:28.075>you <00:29:28.191>or <00:29:28.308>point <00:29:28.425>a <00:29:28.541>finger <00:29:28.658>at <00:29:28.775>you

547
00:29:31.015 --> 00:29:35.115
<00:29:31.015>and, <00:29:31.170>uh, <00:29:31.326>think <00:29:31.481>that <00:29:31.637>you <00:29:31.792>are, <00:29:31.948>um, <00:29:32.103>not <00:29:32.259>good <00:29:32.415>enough.

548
00:29:35.655 --> 00:29:39.275
<00:29:35.655>And <00:29:35.771>I, <00:29:35.888>I <00:29:36.004>found <00:29:36.121>that <00:29:36.238>to <00:29:36.355>be <00:29:36.471>very <00:29:36.588>important <00:29:36.705>for, <00:29:36.821>for <00:29:36.938>women <00:29:37.055>to,

549
00:29:39.735 --> 00:29:41.965
<00:29:39.735>uh, <00:29:40.084>I, <00:29:40.435>I <00:29:40.784>think <00:29:41.135>they're,

550
00:29:42.925 --> 00:29:45.985
<00:29:42.925>if <00:29:43.125>they're <00:29:43.325>in <00:29:43.524>a <00:29:43.725>very <00:29:43.925>competitive <00:29:44.125>environment, <00:29:44.325>uh,

551
00:29:45.985 --> 00:29:48.545
<00:29:45.985>women <00:29:46.264>may <00:29:46.544>not <00:29:46.824>feel, <00:29:47.104>uh, <00:29:47.385>safe

552
00:29:48.565 --> 00:29:51.065
<00:29:48.565>and <00:29:48.845>comfortable, <00:29:49.125>uh, <00:29:49.405>to, <00:29:49.685>you <00:29:49.965>know,

553
00:29:51.125 --> 00:29:54.025
<00:29:51.125>to <00:29:51.241>express <00:29:51.358>they <00:29:51.475>don't <00:29:51.591>know <00:29:51.708>to <00:29:51.825>ask <00:29:51.941>for <00:29:52.058>help <00:29:52.175>and, <00:29:52.291>and <00:29:52.408>so <00:29:52.525>on.

554
00:29:54.045 --> 00:29:55.665
<00:29:54.045>And, <00:29:54.325>and, <00:29:54.605>and <00:29:54.885>that's <00:29:55.165>a <00:29:55.445>shame.

555
00:29:55.805 --> 00:29:59.705
<00:29:55.805>And <00:29:55.960>that's <00:29:56.116>why <00:29:56.271>I <00:29:56.427>think, <00:29:56.582>uh, <00:29:56.738>code <00:29:56.893>schools <00:29:57.049>like, <00:29:57.205>uh,

556
00:29:59.875 --> 00:30:03.905
<00:29:59.875>co-op <00:30:00.155>are <00:30:00.435>extremely <00:30:00.715>important <00:30:00.995>in <00:30:01.275>fooling

557
00:30:03.905 --> 00:30:05.105
<00:30:03.905>this, <00:30:04.445>this <00:30:04.985>mission.

558
00:30:05.805 --> 00:30:08.825
<00:30:05.805>And <00:30:05.945>I <00:30:06.085>am, <00:30:06.225>you <00:30:06.365>know, <00:30:06.505>extremely <00:30:06.645>proud <00:30:06.785>to <00:30:06.925>have <00:30:07.065>seen <00:30:07.205>the,

559
00:30:08.885 --> 00:30:12.065
<00:30:08.885>the <00:30:09.060>students <00:30:09.235>that, <00:30:09.410>um, <00:30:09.585>left <00:30:09.760>the <00:30:09.935>course, <00:30:10.110>in <00:30:10.285>particular,

560
00:30:12.085 --> 00:30:15.145
<00:30:12.085>the <00:30:12.240>ones <00:30:12.396>that <00:30:12.551>were <00:30:12.707>my <00:30:12.862>students <00:30:13.018>to <00:30:13.173>go <00:30:13.329>out, <00:30:13.485>uh,

561
00:30:15.365 --> 00:30:19.385
<00:30:15.365>and <00:30:15.598>to <00:30:15.831>transition <00:30:16.065>to <00:30:16.298>tech <00:30:16.531>jobs, <00:30:16.765>uh,

562
00:30:19.605 --> 00:30:22.625
<00:30:19.605>and <00:30:19.745>to, <00:30:19.885>you <00:30:20.025>know, <00:30:20.165>some <00:30:20.305>of <00:30:20.445>them, <00:30:20.585>they <00:30:20.725>are <00:30:20.865>still <00:30:21.005>on,

563
00:30:22.685 --> 00:30:27.025
<00:30:22.685>on <00:30:22.885>working <00:30:23.085>there <00:30:23.284>sometimes <00:30:23.485>as <00:30:23.685>a <00:30:23.885>senior <00:30:24.085>developers.

564
00:30:27.285 --> 00:30:28.985
<00:30:27.285>Others <00:30:27.635>went <00:30:27.985>and <00:30:28.335>did, <00:30:28.685>uh,

565
00:30:28.995 --> 00:30:31.185
<00:30:28.995>other <00:30:29.228>courses <00:30:29.461>like <00:30:29.695>masters <00:30:29.928>and <00:30:30.161>so <00:30:30.395>on.

566
00:30:31.685 --> 00:30:34.625
<00:30:31.685>Uh, <00:30:31.825>and <00:30:31.965>yeah, <00:30:32.105>it, <00:30:32.245>it's, <00:30:32.385>it's, <00:30:32.524>it's <00:30:32.665>great <00:30:32.804>to <00:30:32.945>see <00:30:33.085>that

567
00:30:35.175 --> 00:30:37.985
<00:30:35.175>they <00:30:35.408>could <00:30:35.641>achieve <00:30:35.875>so <00:30:36.108>much <00:30:36.341>after, <00:30:36.575>um,

568
00:30:38.275 --> 00:30:40.225
<00:30:38.275>after <00:30:38.625>doing <00:30:38.975>the, <00:30:39.325>the <00:30:39.675>bootcamp.

569
00:30:41.445 --> 00:30:44.825
<00:30:41.445>So <00:30:41.645>I <00:30:41.845>think <00:30:42.044>it's <00:30:42.245>something <00:30:42.445>really, <00:30:42.645>really <00:30:42.845>important.

570
00:30:45.605 --> 00:30:47.825
<00:30:45.605>And, <00:30:45.838>you <00:30:46.071>know, <00:30:46.305>I'm <00:30:46.538>really <00:30:46.771>grateful <00:30:47.005>to,

571
00:30:48.565 --> 00:30:50.305
<00:30:48.565>to <00:30:48.845>have <00:30:49.125>had <00:30:49.405>the, <00:30:49.685>that <00:30:49.965>experience.

572
00:30:52.915 --> 00:30:57.375
<00:30:52.915>So <00:30:53.090>another <00:30:53.264>thing <00:30:53.440>that <00:30:53.615>I, <00:30:53.790>um, <00:30:53.965>mentioned <00:30:54.139>beforehand <00:30:54.315>is

573
00:30:57.575 --> 00:31:00.975
<00:30:57.575>that <00:30:57.750>quite <00:30:57.925>early <00:30:58.100>in <00:30:58.275>my <00:30:58.450>career, <00:30:58.625>I <00:30:58.800>start, <00:30:58.975>uh,

574
00:31:01.285 --> 00:31:03.095
<00:31:01.285>invo <00:31:01.565>getting <00:31:01.845>involved <00:31:02.125>with <00:31:02.405>the <00:31:02.685>community.

575
00:31:04.035 --> 00:31:07.455
<00:31:04.035>Um, <00:31:04.235>and, <00:31:04.435>you <00:31:04.635>know, <00:31:04.835>it's <00:31:05.035>in <00:31:05.235>different <00:31:05.435>ways.

576
00:31:07.595 --> 00:31:10.655
<00:31:07.595>So <00:31:07.735>in <00:31:07.875>one <00:31:08.015>hand, <00:31:08.155>one <00:31:08.295>hand, <00:31:08.435>I, <00:31:08.575>I <00:31:08.715>like <00:31:08.855>to <00:31:08.995>support

577
00:31:11.185 --> 00:31:12.215
<00:31:11.185>women <00:31:11.494>in <00:31:11.803>tech <00:31:12.111>events.

578
00:31:12.215 --> 00:31:14.935
<00:31:12.215>Like <00:31:12.370>this <00:31:12.526>one, <00:31:12.681>I <00:31:12.837>think, <00:31:12.992>I <00:31:13.148>think <00:31:13.303>is <00:31:13.459>extremely <00:31:13.615>important

579
00:31:15.405 --> 00:31:16.815
<00:31:15.405>that <00:31:15.722>we <00:31:16.039>have <00:31:16.356>these <00:31:16.674>spaces.

580
00:31:17.915 --> 00:31:19.935
<00:31:17.915>Um, <00:31:18.264>but <00:31:18.615>I <00:31:18.965>also, <00:31:19.315>uh,

581
00:31:20.405 --> 00:31:24.095
<00:31:20.405>participate <00:31:20.638>in <00:31:20.871>more <00:31:21.105>gen <00:31:21.338>general <00:31:21.571>tech <00:31:21.805>events.

582
00:31:24.315 --> 00:31:26.375
<00:31:24.315>So <00:31:24.665>not <00:31:25.015>specifically <00:31:25.365>for <00:31:25.715>women,

583
00:31:26.555 --> 00:31:28.895
<00:31:26.555>but, <00:31:26.730>you <00:31:26.905>know, <00:31:27.080>re <00:31:27.255>uh, <00:31:27.430>that <00:31:27.605>are <00:31:27.780>related <00:31:27.955>to

584
00:31:29.615 --> 00:31:30.775
<00:31:29.615>specific, <00:31:30.137>uh, <00:31:30.659>technologies.

585
00:31:32.285 --> 00:31:34.025
<00:31:32.285>And <00:31:32.518>I <00:31:32.751>think <00:31:32.985>that's, <00:31:33.218>that's <00:31:33.451>very <00:31:33.685>important.

586
00:31:34.415 --> 00:31:38.345
<00:31:34.415>I've <00:31:34.590>seen <00:31:34.764>something <00:31:34.940>that <00:31:35.115>I <00:31:35.290>call <00:31:35.465>the <00:31:35.639>women <00:31:35.815>in,

587
00:31:38.485 --> 00:31:42.585
<00:31:38.485>in <00:31:38.625>tech <00:31:38.764>panel <00:31:38.905>effect, <00:31:39.044>which <00:31:39.185>is, <00:31:39.324>you <00:31:39.465>have <00:31:39.604>a <00:31:39.745>tech <00:31:39.885>conference

588
00:31:42.935 --> 00:31:44.585
<00:31:42.935>that <00:31:43.284>has <00:31:43.635>many <00:31:43.985>different <00:31:44.335>track

589
00:31:45.565 --> 00:31:50.305
<00:31:45.565>and, <00:31:45.720>um, <00:31:45.876>you <00:31:46.031>don't <00:31:46.187>see, <00:31:46.342>uh, <00:31:46.498>practically, <00:31:46.653>uh, <00:31:46.809>any <00:31:46.965>women,

590
00:31:50.565 --> 00:31:53.025
<00:31:50.565>uh, <00:31:50.915>speakers <00:31:51.265>or <00:31:51.615>keynote <00:31:51.965>speakers,

591
00:31:53.165 --> 00:31:55.745
<00:31:53.165>or <00:31:53.365>even <00:31:53.565>in <00:31:53.764>the <00:31:53.965>panels, <00:31:54.165>the <00:31:54.365>panels <00:31:54.565>there,

592
00:31:55.775 --> 00:31:56.825
<00:31:55.775>they <00:31:56.011>don't <00:31:56.247>have <00:31:56.483>any <00:31:56.720>women.

593
00:31:57.245 --> 00:31:59.385
<00:31:57.245>And <00:31:57.400>then <00:31:57.556>suddenly <00:31:57.711>you <00:31:57.867>have <00:31:58.022>the <00:31:58.178>Women <00:31:58.333>in <00:31:58.489>tech <00:31:58.645>panel,

594
00:32:00.005 --> 00:32:01.785
<00:32:00.005>and <00:32:00.238>then <00:32:00.471>you <00:32:00.705>have <00:32:00.938>like <00:32:01.171>women <00:32:01.405>there.

595
00:32:01.925 --> 00:32:05.585
<00:32:01.925>So, <00:32:02.100>uh, <00:32:02.274>it's, <00:32:02.450>you <00:32:02.625>know, <00:32:02.800>I <00:32:02.975>think <00:32:03.149>it's <00:32:03.325>great

596
00:32:05.585 --> 00:32:07.065
<00:32:05.585>that <00:32:05.775>you <00:32:05.965>have <00:32:06.155>the <00:32:06.346>Women <00:32:06.536>in <00:32:06.726>Tech <00:32:06.917>panel,

597
00:32:07.485 --> 00:32:10.625
<00:32:07.485>but <00:32:07.640>I <00:32:07.796>think <00:32:07.951>if <00:32:08.107>the <00:32:08.262>conference <00:32:08.418>organizers <00:32:08.573>made <00:32:08.729>an <00:32:08.885>effort

598
00:32:10.885 --> 00:32:14.105
<00:32:10.885>to <00:32:11.060>create <00:32:11.235>this <00:32:11.410>panel, <00:32:11.585>they <00:32:11.760>should <00:32:11.935>also, <00:32:12.110>uh, <00:32:12.285>try

599
00:32:14.105 --> 00:32:15.825
<00:32:14.105>to <00:32:14.338>make <00:32:14.571>an <00:32:14.805>effort, <00:32:15.038>a <00:32:15.271>conscious <00:32:15.505>effort

600
00:32:16.045 --> 00:32:19.225
<00:32:16.045>to <00:32:16.220>have <00:32:16.395>a <00:32:16.570>more <00:32:16.745>diverse, <00:32:16.920>uh, <00:32:17.095>group <00:32:17.270>of <00:32:17.445>speakers.

601
00:32:19.445 --> 00:32:20.665
<00:32:19.445>And <00:32:19.664>it's <00:32:19.884>okay, <00:32:20.103>as <00:32:20.323>I <00:32:20.543>said

602
00:32:20.665 --> 00:32:23.425
<00:32:20.665>before, <00:32:20.865>it's <00:32:21.065>okay <00:32:21.264>to <00:32:21.465>have <00:32:21.665>some <00:32:21.865>positive <00:32:22.065>discrimination.

603
00:32:23.725 --> 00:32:25.625
<00:32:23.725>You <00:32:24.004>don't <00:32:24.284>need <00:32:24.564>to <00:32:24.844>lower <00:32:25.125>the

604
00:32:25.745 --> 00:32:27.225
<00:32:25.745>standards <00:32:26.078>for <00:32:26.410>anything <00:32:26.744>like <00:32:27.077>that.

605
00:32:27.245 --> 00:32:31.145
<00:32:27.245>You <00:32:27.372>just <00:32:27.499>need <00:32:27.626>to <00:32:27.754>make <00:32:27.881>sometimes <00:32:28.008>a <00:32:28.135>bigger <00:32:28.263>effort <00:32:28.390>in <00:32:28.517>order <00:32:28.645>to,

606
00:32:31.525 --> 00:32:34.505
<00:32:31.525>um, <00:32:31.700>create <00:32:31.875>a <00:32:32.050>program <00:32:32.225>where <00:32:32.400>you <00:32:32.575>have <00:32:32.750>more <00:32:32.925>diversity,

607
00:32:34.685 --> 00:32:36.345
<00:32:34.685>but <00:32:35.034>it's, <00:32:35.385>it's <00:32:35.735>completely <00:32:36.085>possible.

608
00:32:37.325 --> 00:32:40.925
<00:32:37.325>Uh, <00:32:37.500>so <00:32:37.675>I <00:32:37.850>think, <00:32:38.025>you <00:32:38.200>know, <00:32:38.375>uh, <00:32:38.550>if <00:32:38.725>you,

609
00:32:42.095 --> 00:32:45.675
<00:32:42.095>if <00:32:42.270>you <00:32:42.445>have <00:32:42.620>the <00:32:42.795>possibility <00:32:42.970>to <00:32:43.145>go <00:32:43.320>to <00:32:43.495>conferences

610
00:32:45.815 --> 00:32:49.435
<00:32:45.815>to <00:32:46.048>participate, <00:32:46.281>uh, <00:32:46.515>when <00:32:46.748>I <00:32:46.981>say <00:32:47.215>conferences,

611
00:32:49.555 --> 00:32:51.115
<00:32:49.555>I <00:32:49.835>also <00:32:50.115>mean <00:32:50.395>events <00:32:50.675>in <00:32:50.955>general.

612
00:32:51.545 --> 00:32:53.795
<00:32:51.545>Meetups, <00:32:51.778>for <00:32:52.011>instance. <00:32:52.245>I <00:32:52.478>think <00:32:52.711>it's <00:32:52.945>great.

613
00:32:55.175 --> 00:32:57.795
<00:32:55.175>As <00:32:55.408>Carly <00:32:55.641>mentioned <00:32:55.875>before, <00:32:56.108>uh, <00:32:56.341>I <00:32:56.575>mean,

614
00:32:57.825 --> 00:33:01.075
<00:32:57.825>when <00:32:58.025>she <00:32:58.225>went <00:32:58.425>entered <00:32:58.625>the, <00:32:58.825>the <00:32:59.025>room, <00:32:59.225>uh,

615
00:33:01.255 --> 00:33:04.235
<00:33:01.255>in <00:33:01.410>computer <00:33:01.566>science, <00:33:01.721>and <00:33:01.877>she <00:33:02.032>saw <00:33:02.188>another <00:33:02.343>woman <00:33:02.499>there, <00:33:02.655>I,

616
00:33:04.275 --> 00:33:05.475
<00:33:04.275>I <00:33:04.545>think <00:33:04.815>she <00:33:05.085>felt <00:33:05.355>supported,

617
00:33:05.475 --> 00:33:08.035
<00:33:05.475>and <00:33:05.708>she <00:33:05.941>felt <00:33:06.175>like <00:33:06.408>she <00:33:06.641>did, <00:33:06.875>um,

618
00:33:08.495 --> 00:33:10.115
<00:33:08.495>she <00:33:08.695>no <00:33:08.895>longer <00:33:09.094>wanted <00:33:09.294>to <00:33:09.495>leave <00:33:09.695>the <00:33:09.895>room.

619
00:33:10.675 --> 00:33:12.755
<00:33:10.675>I <00:33:10.791>think <00:33:10.908>it's <00:33:11.024>the <00:33:11.141>same <00:33:11.258>thing. <00:33:11.375>If <00:33:11.491>you <00:33:11.608>go <00:33:11.725>to <00:33:11.841>a <00:33:11.958>tech <00:33:12.075>meetup

620
00:33:13.175 --> 00:33:16.075
<00:33:13.175>and <00:33:13.408>you <00:33:13.641>see <00:33:13.875>more <00:33:14.108>women, <00:33:14.341>perhaps <00:33:14.575>you,

621
00:33:16.175 --> 00:33:17.555
<00:33:16.175>you <00:33:16.382>will <00:33:16.589>stay <00:33:16.796>for <00:33:17.003>a <00:33:17.210>bit <00:33:17.417>longer.

622
00:33:17.695 --> 00:33:20.675
<00:33:17.695>You <00:33:17.928>have, <00:33:18.161>um, <00:33:18.395>you <00:33:18.628>know, <00:33:18.861>some <00:33:19.095>conversations

623
00:33:20.975 --> 00:33:24.595
<00:33:20.975>and, <00:33:21.130>uh, <00:33:21.286>you, <00:33:21.441>you, <00:33:21.597>you <00:33:21.752>won't <00:33:21.908>feel <00:33:22.063>so <00:33:22.219>strange, <00:33:22.375>uh,

624
00:33:24.745 --> 00:33:26.875
<00:33:24.745>like <00:33:24.900>you <00:33:25.056>won't <00:33:25.211>feel <00:33:25.367>the <00:33:25.522>odd <00:33:25.678>one <00:33:25.833>in <00:33:25.989>the <00:33:26.145>room.

625
00:33:27.535 --> 00:33:31.895
<00:33:27.535>So <00:33:27.690>if <00:33:27.846>you <00:33:28.001>can <00:33:28.157>attend, <00:33:28.312>uh, <00:33:28.468>I <00:33:28.623>think <00:33:28.779>it's, <00:33:28.935>uh,

626
00:33:31.915 --> 00:33:34.935
<00:33:31.915>and <00:33:32.042>then <00:33:32.169>the <00:33:32.296>next <00:33:32.424>step <00:33:32.551>is <00:33:32.678>if <00:33:32.805>you <00:33:32.933>can <00:33:33.060>be <00:33:33.187>a <00:33:33.315>speaker,

627
00:33:35.525 --> 00:33:37.255
<00:33:35.525>this <00:33:35.805>will <00:33:36.085>give <00:33:36.365>you <00:33:36.645>more <00:33:36.925>visibility.

628
00:33:37.355 --> 00:33:40.335
<00:33:37.355>And <00:33:37.495>if <00:33:37.635>you <00:33:37.775>can, <00:33:37.915>you <00:33:38.055>know, <00:33:38.195>participate <00:33:38.335>in <00:33:38.475>a <00:33:38.615>panel, <00:33:38.755>uh,

629
00:33:40.475 --> 00:33:41.935
<00:33:40.475>be <00:33:40.803>a <00:33:41.131>keynote, <00:33:41.460>keynote <00:33:41.789>speaker,

630
00:33:41.955 --> 00:33:46.625
<00:33:41.955>and <00:33:42.082>so <00:33:42.209>on, <00:33:42.336>I <00:33:42.464>think <00:33:42.591>that's, <00:33:42.718>that's <00:33:42.845>really, <00:33:42.973>uh, <00:33:43.100>doing <00:33:43.227>a <00:33:43.355>lot.

631
00:33:47.205 --> 00:33:50.985
<00:33:47.205>Uh, <00:33:47.345>because <00:33:47.485>I, <00:33:47.625>my <00:33:47.764>experience, <00:33:47.905>I, <00:33:48.044>I've <00:33:48.185>been <00:33:48.324>to <00:33:48.465>a <00:33:48.605>lot

632
00:33:50.985 --> 00:33:52.025
<00:33:50.985>of <00:33:51.921>conferences,

633
00:33:52.805 --> 00:33:55.425
<00:33:52.805>and <00:33:53.038>obviously <00:33:53.271>there <00:33:53.505>are <00:33:53.738>tech <00:33:53.971>tech <00:33:54.205>conferences.

634
00:33:55.425 --> 00:33:57.825
<00:33:55.425>There <00:33:55.625>are <00:33:55.825>not <00:33:56.024>a <00:33:56.225>lot <00:33:56.425>of <00:33:56.625>women <00:33:56.825>there,

635
00:33:58.125 --> 00:34:01.625
<00:33:58.125>but <00:33:58.325>sometimes <00:33:58.525>there <00:33:58.725>are, <00:33:58.925>um, <00:33:59.125>women <00:33:59.325>as <00:33:59.525>participants.

636
00:34:01.725 --> 00:34:04.505
<00:34:01.725>But <00:34:01.899>that <00:34:02.074>I <00:34:02.250>don't <00:34:02.425>see, <00:34:02.600>uh, <00:34:02.774>the <00:34:02.949>same <00:34:03.125>proportion

637
00:34:04.505 --> 00:34:06.425
<00:34:04.505>of <00:34:04.855>women's <00:34:05.205>speakers, <00:34:05.555>for <00:34:05.905>instance,

638
00:34:06.485 --> 00:34:10.665
<00:34:06.485>or, <00:34:06.685>uh, <00:34:06.885>teaching <00:34:07.084>workshops <00:34:07.284>or, <00:34:07.485>uh, <00:34:07.685>keynote <00:34:07.885>speakers.

639
00:34:10.925 --> 00:34:13.905
<00:34:10.925>And <00:34:11.080>yeah, <00:34:11.236>so <00:34:11.391>I'm, <00:34:11.547>you <00:34:11.702>know, <00:34:11.858>giving <00:34:12.013>a <00:34:12.169>shout <00:34:12.325>out

640
00:34:14.005 --> 00:34:15.305
<00:34:14.005>to <00:34:14.395>the <00:34:14.784>event <00:34:15.174>organizers,

641
00:34:15.765 --> 00:34:18.665
<00:34:15.764>but <00:34:15.904>also, <00:34:16.045>uh, <00:34:16.185>you <00:34:16.324>know, <00:34:16.464>for <00:34:16.605>if <00:34:16.745>you <00:34:16.884>are <00:34:17.025>a <00:34:17.165>woman

642
00:34:18.765 --> 00:34:23.705
<00:34:18.764>and <00:34:18.872>you <00:34:18.980>are <00:34:19.088>in <00:34:19.195>a, <00:34:19.303>in <00:34:19.411>a <00:34:19.518>position <00:34:19.626>to, <00:34:19.734>uh, <00:34:19.841>to, <00:34:19.949>to <00:34:20.057>be, <00:34:20.165>to,

643
00:34:23.705 --> 00:34:26.825
<00:34:23.705>to <00:34:23.938>speak, <00:34:24.171>uh, <00:34:24.404>please <00:34:24.638>think, <00:34:24.871>consider <00:34:25.105>it

644
00:34:26.825 --> 00:34:29.945
<00:34:26.824>because, <00:34:27.000>uh, <00:34:27.174>I <00:34:27.350>think, <00:34:27.524>uh, <00:34:27.699>probably <00:34:27.875>there <00:34:28.049>are <00:34:28.225>not

645
00:34:29.965 --> 00:34:33.585
<00:34:29.965>so <00:34:30.140>many <00:34:30.315>women, <00:34:30.490>uh, <00:34:30.665>applying <00:34:30.840>for, <00:34:31.015>for <00:34:31.190>those, <00:34:31.365>um,

646
00:34:34.525 --> 00:34:35.705
<00:34:34.525>for <00:34:34.790>those <00:34:35.056>roles <00:34:35.321>as <00:34:35.587>well.

647
00:34:36.855 --> 00:34:40.275
<00:34:36.855>So, <00:34:36.982>um, <00:34:37.109>I, <00:34:37.236>I <00:34:37.364>was <00:34:37.491>involved <00:34:37.618>in, <00:34:37.745>you <00:34:37.873>know, <00:34:38.000>a <00:34:38.127>lot <00:34:38.255>of,

648
00:34:40.375 --> 00:34:42.155
<00:34:40.375>um, <00:34:40.841>of <00:34:41.308>these <00:34:41.775>events.

649
00:34:42.155 --> 00:34:45.235
<00:34:42.155>Sometimes <00:34:42.388>as <00:34:42.621>an <00:34:42.855>organizer, <00:34:43.088>sometimes <00:34:43.321>as <00:34:43.555>speakers,

650
00:34:45.235 --> 00:34:47.395
<00:34:45.235>sometimes <00:34:45.468>they <00:34:45.701>all <00:34:45.935>only <00:34:46.168>as <00:34:46.401>a <00:34:46.635>participant.

651
00:34:48.215 --> 00:34:51.155
<00:34:48.215>And, <00:34:48.390>uh, <00:34:48.565>at <00:34:48.740>a <00:34:48.915>certain <00:34:49.090>point, <00:34:49.265>this <00:34:49.440>start <00:34:49.615>this,

652
00:34:51.155 --> 00:34:53.075
<00:34:51.155>this <00:34:51.355>was <00:34:51.555>something <00:34:51.755>like <00:34:51.955>a, <00:34:52.155>a <00:34:52.355>side <00:34:52.555>thing.

653
00:34:53.095 --> 00:34:53.755
<00:34:53.094>So <00:34:53.391>I <00:34:53.689>would

654
00:35:00.795 --> 00:35:02.925
<00:35:00.795>send <00:35:01.145>the <00:35:01.495>community <00:35:01.845>part, <00:35:02.195>uh,

655
00:35:03.385 --> 00:35:07.645
<00:35:03.385>and <00:35:03.525>at <00:35:03.665>a <00:35:03.805>certain <00:35:03.945>point, <00:35:04.085>I <00:35:04.225>transition <00:35:04.365>to <00:35:04.505>a <00:35:04.645>role, <00:35:04.785>uh,

656
00:35:07.795 --> 00:35:09.365
<00:35:07.795>with <00:35:08.145>a <00:35:08.495>dev <00:35:08.845>role <00:35:09.195>role,

657
00:35:09.655 --> 00:35:13.885
<00:35:09.655>where <00:35:09.795>this <00:35:09.935>is <00:35:10.075>probably <00:35:10.215>the <00:35:10.355>most <00:35:10.495>important <00:35:10.635>thing <00:35:10.775>in <00:35:10.915>my <00:35:11.055>job.

658
00:35:14.025 --> 00:35:17.445
<00:35:14.025>So <00:35:14.180>I'm <00:35:14.336>doing <00:35:14.491>this <00:35:14.647>as <00:35:14.802>like, <00:35:14.958>uh, <00:35:15.113>the <00:35:15.269>main <00:35:15.425>thing,

659
00:35:17.945 --> 00:35:21.165
<00:35:17.945>and <00:35:18.085>then <00:35:18.225>I'm <00:35:18.365>doing <00:35:18.505>the, <00:35:18.645>the <00:35:18.785>tech <00:35:18.925>things <00:35:19.065>on <00:35:19.205>the <00:35:19.345>side.

660
00:35:21.185 --> 00:35:25.535
<00:35:21.185>So <00:35:21.340>there <00:35:21.496>was <00:35:21.651>a <00:35:21.807>kind <00:35:21.962>of <00:35:22.118>in, <00:35:22.273>I, <00:35:22.429>in, <00:35:22.585>uh,

661
00:35:25.945 --> 00:35:28.695
<00:35:25.945>there <00:35:26.085>was <00:35:26.225>a <00:35:26.365>kind <00:35:26.505>of <00:35:26.645>a <00:35:26.785>switch, <00:35:26.925>uh, <00:35:27.065>in <00:35:27.205>the, <00:35:27.345>in,

662
00:35:28.715 --> 00:35:29.855
<00:35:28.715>in <00:35:28.971>this, <00:35:29.228>in <00:35:29.484>this <00:35:29.741>matter.

663
00:35:30.955 --> 00:35:35.095
<00:35:30.955>So <00:35:31.095>the, <00:35:31.235>the <00:35:31.375>organization <00:35:31.515>that <00:35:31.654>I, <00:35:31.795>I'm <00:35:31.935>working <00:35:32.075>right <00:35:32.215>now <00:35:32.355>is,

664
00:35:35.195 --> 00:35:39.335
<00:35:35.195>uh, <00:35:35.395>just <00:35:35.595>to <00:35:35.795>mention, <00:35:35.995>is <00:35:36.195>the <00:35:36.395>Open <00:35:36.595>Consortium,

665
00:35:40.155 --> 00:35:42.255
<00:35:40.155>uh, <00:35:40.435>which <00:35:40.715>is <00:35:40.995>known <00:35:41.275>as <00:35:41.555>OGC.

666
00:35:43.945 --> 00:35:47.235
<00:35:43.945>This <00:35:44.178>is, <00:35:44.411>um, <00:35:44.645>an <00:35:44.878>organization <00:35:45.111>that <00:35:45.345>develops

667
00:35:47.335 --> 00:35:49.835
<00:35:47.335>and <00:35:47.615>maintains <00:35:47.895>standards <00:35:48.175>for <00:35:48.455>geospatial <00:35:48.735>information.

668
00:35:49.975 --> 00:35:53.355
<00:35:49.975>So <00:35:50.115>if <00:35:50.255>you <00:35:50.395>are <00:35:50.535>familiar <00:35:50.674>with <00:35:50.815>the <00:35:50.955>W <00:35:51.095>three <00:35:51.235>C, <00:35:51.375>the,

669
00:35:53.355 --> 00:35:57.835
<00:35:53.355>the <00:35:53.510>web <00:35:53.666>consortium, <00:35:53.821>uh, <00:35:53.977>this <00:35:54.132>is <00:35:54.288>the, <00:35:54.443>the <00:35:54.599>equivalent <00:35:54.755>for

670
00:35:57.895 --> 00:36:01.035
<00:35:57.895>of <00:35:58.095>the <00:35:58.295>WC, <00:35:58.495>but <00:35:58.695>just <00:35:58.895>for <00:35:59.095>geospatial <00:35:59.295>information.

671
00:36:02.475 --> 00:36:06.175
<00:36:02.475>And <00:36:02.602>it <00:36:02.729>has, <00:36:02.856>uh, <00:36:02.984>more <00:36:03.111>than <00:36:03.238>500 <00:36:03.365>members, <00:36:03.493>uh, <00:36:03.620>across <00:36:03.747>the <00:36:03.875>world.

672
00:36:07.005 --> 00:36:08.665
<00:36:07.005>Um, <00:36:07.471>I, <00:36:07.938>you <00:36:08.405>know,

673
00:36:08.745 --> 00:36:11.585
<00:36:08.745>I <00:36:08.872>think <00:36:08.999>work <00:36:09.126>in <00:36:09.254>the <00:36:09.381>geospatial <00:36:09.508>industry <00:36:09.635>for, <00:36:09.763>for <00:36:09.890>a <00:36:10.017>long <00:36:10.145>time.

674
00:36:12.105 --> 00:36:16.225
<00:36:12.105>I <00:36:12.280>knew <00:36:12.455>the <00:36:12.630>Geo <00:36:12.805>geospatial <00:36:12.980>consortium <00:36:13.155>I <00:36:13.330>respected, <00:36:13.505>uh,

675
00:36:16.225 --> 00:36:17.625
<00:36:16.225>in <00:36:16.540>terms <00:36:16.855>of <00:36:17.170>technical <00:36:17.485>content,

676
00:36:18.385 --> 00:36:21.145
<00:36:18.385>I <00:36:18.525>think <00:36:18.665>I <00:36:18.805>thought <00:36:18.945>it <00:36:19.085>was <00:36:19.225>a <00:36:19.365>place <00:36:19.505>that <00:36:19.645>I <00:36:19.785>wanted

677
00:36:21.145 --> 00:36:23.025
<00:36:21.145>to <00:36:21.611>work, <00:36:22.078>uh, <00:36:22.545>in.

678
00:36:23.725 --> 00:36:26.585
<00:36:23.725>But, <00:36:23.900>uh, <00:36:24.075>I <00:36:24.250>think <00:36:24.424>when <00:36:24.600>I <00:36:24.775>start <00:36:24.950>getting <00:36:25.125>really,

679
00:36:26.585 --> 00:36:30.625
<00:36:26.585>really <00:36:26.712>interested <00:36:26.839>is <00:36:26.966>when, <00:36:27.094>when <00:36:27.221>I <00:36:27.348>went <00:36:27.475>to <00:36:27.603>an <00:36:27.730>event <00:36:27.857>in <00:36:27.985>uk,

680
00:36:31.125 --> 00:36:35.825
<00:36:31.125>she <00:36:31.280>was <00:36:31.436>in <00:36:31.591>the, <00:36:31.747>um, <00:36:31.902>international <00:36:32.058>Women's <00:36:32.213>Day <00:36:32.369>in <00:36:32.525>2018,

681
00:36:36.525 --> 00:36:40.265
<00:36:36.525>and <00:36:36.665>there <00:36:36.805>was <00:36:36.945>a, <00:36:37.085>a <00:36:37.225>Women <00:36:37.365>in <00:36:37.505>Tech <00:36:37.645>breakfast <00:36:37.785>organized <00:36:37.925>there.

682
00:36:41.055 --> 00:36:45.995
<00:36:41.055>Uh, <00:36:41.182>and <00:36:41.309>one <00:36:41.436>of <00:36:41.564>the <00:36:41.691>speakers <00:36:41.818>was, <00:36:41.945>uh, <00:36:42.073>Marie <00:36:42.200>France, <00:36:42.327>Vora, <00:36:42.455>uh,

683
00:36:46.455 --> 00:36:50.435
<00:36:46.455>is, <00:36:46.654>wasn't <00:36:46.855>still, <00:36:47.055>is, <00:36:47.255>um, <00:36:47.455>uh, <00:36:47.654>OGC <00:36:47.855>staff.

684
00:36:51.135 --> 00:36:53.555
<00:36:51.135>And <00:36:51.485>she <00:36:51.835>talked <00:36:52.185>about <00:36:52.535>OGC,

685
00:36:53.555 --> 00:36:55.795
<00:36:53.555>and <00:36:53.754>she <00:36:53.955>said <00:36:54.154>how <00:36:54.355>supportive <00:36:54.555>was <00:36:54.754>the <00:36:54.955>environmental

686
00:36:56.235 --> 00:36:58.835
<00:36:56.235>collaborative, <00:36:56.468>and <00:36:56.701>that <00:36:56.935>she <00:36:57.168>was <00:36:57.401>really <00:36:57.635>thriving,

687
00:36:59.135 --> 00:37:00.515
<00:36:59.135>uh, <00:36:59.445>uh, <00:36:59.756>to <00:37:00.066>work <00:37:00.377>there.

688
00:37:01.015 --> 00:37:03.435
<00:37:01.015>And <00:37:01.214>I <00:37:01.415>think <00:37:01.615>that <00:37:01.815>really <00:37:02.015>resonated <00:37:02.214>with <00:37:02.415>me.

689
00:37:03.935 --> 00:37:05.675
<00:37:03.935>Uh, <00:37:04.215>so <00:37:04.495>thank <00:37:04.775>you, <00:37:05.055>Marie <00:37:05.335>Francoise.

690
00:37:06.095 --> 00:37:09.915
<00:37:06.095>And <00:37:06.222>then, <00:37:06.349>uh, <00:37:06.476>when <00:37:06.604>I <00:37:06.731>had <00:37:06.858>the <00:37:06.985>opportunity, <00:37:07.113>I, <00:37:07.240>I, <00:37:07.367>I <00:37:07.495>joined,

691
00:37:10.435 --> 00:37:11.435
<00:37:10.435>I <00:37:10.884>joined <00:37:11.335>OGC.

692
00:37:12.495 --> 00:37:16.515
<00:37:12.495>So <00:37:12.694>my, <00:37:12.895>my <00:37:13.095>role <00:37:13.295>is, <00:37:13.495>uh, <00:37:13.694>developer <00:37:13.895>relations.

693
00:37:16.695 --> 00:37:21.635
<00:37:16.695>Uh, <00:37:16.835>I <00:37:16.975>think <00:37:17.115>it's <00:37:17.255>similar <00:37:17.395>to, <00:37:17.535>uh, <00:37:17.675>other <00:37:17.815>roles <00:37:17.955>like <00:37:18.095>developer

694
00:37:22.395 --> 00:37:24.795
<00:37:22.395>advocate <00:37:22.861>or <00:37:23.328>developer <00:37:23.795>marketing.

695
00:37:24.935 --> 00:37:29.075
<00:37:24.935>So <00:37:25.051>this, <00:37:25.168>this <00:37:25.285>is <00:37:25.401>a <00:37:25.518>role <00:37:25.634>that <00:37:25.751>we <00:37:25.868>are <00:37:25.985>seeing, <00:37:26.101>um, <00:37:26.218>uh, <00:37:26.335>more

696
00:37:29.075 --> 00:37:32.155
<00:37:29.075>and <00:37:29.250>more <00:37:29.424>in <00:37:29.600>the, <00:37:29.774>in <00:37:29.950>the, <00:37:30.125>the <00:37:30.299>software <00:37:30.475>industry,

697
00:37:32.155 --> 00:37:33.315
<00:37:32.155>in <00:37:32.503>the <00:37:32.851>technology <00:37:33.199>industry.

698
00:37:33.975 --> 00:37:38.315
<00:37:33.975>And <00:37:34.115>it's <00:37:34.255>basically <00:37:34.395>a <00:37:34.535>role, <00:37:34.674>uh, <00:37:34.815>that <00:37:34.955>is <00:37:35.095>between <00:37:35.235>the <00:37:35.375>product

699
00:37:39.215 --> 00:37:41.315
<00:37:39.215>and, <00:37:39.681>uh, <00:37:40.148>the <00:37:40.615>customer

700
00:37:41.415 --> 00:37:45.035
<00:37:41.415>or <00:37:41.570>the <00:37:41.726>user, <00:37:41.881>which <00:37:42.037>in <00:37:42.192>this <00:37:42.348>case <00:37:42.503>are <00:37:42.659>the <00:37:42.815>developers.

701
00:37:45.135 --> 00:37:46.435
<00:37:45.135>So <00:37:45.427>it's <00:37:45.720>a <00:37:46.012>technical <00:37:46.305>user.

702
00:37:47.295 --> 00:37:50.515
<00:37:47.295>So <00:37:47.495>this <00:37:47.695>will <00:37:47.895>be <00:37:48.095>the, <00:37:48.295>the <00:37:48.495>big <00:37:48.695>difference

703
00:37:50.585 --> 00:37:54.235
<00:37:50.585>with <00:37:50.818>more <00:37:51.051>traditional, <00:37:51.285>uh, <00:37:51.518>relations <00:37:51.751>or <00:37:51.985>outreach

704
00:37:54.295 --> 00:37:55.715
<00:37:54.295>or <00:37:54.721>mapping, <00:37:55.147>uh, <00:37:55.573>roles.

705
00:37:56.895 --> 00:38:01.355
<00:37:56.895>In <00:37:57.022>the <00:37:57.149>case <00:37:57.276>of <00:37:57.404>OGC, <00:37:57.531>the <00:37:57.658>our <00:37:57.785>product <00:37:57.913>are <00:37:58.040>the <00:37:58.167>OGC <00:37:58.295>standards.

706
00:38:02.115 --> 00:38:06.055
<00:38:02.115>Uh, <00:38:02.254>and <00:38:02.395>so <00:38:02.535>my <00:38:02.674>goal <00:38:02.814>is <00:38:02.955>to <00:38:03.095>connect <00:38:03.234>the <00:38:03.375>OGC <00:38:03.515>standards

707
00:38:06.485 --> 00:38:08.415
<00:38:06.485>with <00:38:06.835>the <00:38:07.185>wider <00:38:07.535>developer <00:38:07.885>community.

708
00:38:08.835 --> 00:38:11.975
<00:38:08.835>So <00:38:08.990>to <00:38:09.146>make <00:38:09.301>sure <00:38:09.457>that <00:38:09.612>developers <00:38:09.768>know <00:38:09.923>about <00:38:10.079>these <00:38:10.235>standards,

709
00:38:11.975 --> 00:38:15.055
<00:38:11.975>which <00:38:12.130>by <00:38:12.286>the <00:38:12.441>way, <00:38:12.597>are, <00:38:12.752>are <00:38:12.908>free <00:38:13.063>and <00:38:13.219>open, <00:38:13.375>uh,

710
00:38:15.115 --> 00:38:17.855
<00:38:15.115>and <00:38:15.270>they <00:38:15.426>can <00:38:15.581>use <00:38:15.737>them, <00:38:15.892>they <00:38:16.048>can <00:38:16.203>integrate <00:38:16.359>them, <00:38:16.515>uh,

711
00:38:17.915 --> 00:38:19.815
<00:38:17.915>in <00:38:18.265>their <00:38:18.615>implementations <00:38:18.965>that <00:38:19.315>deal

712
00:38:19.815 --> 00:38:21.015
<00:38:19.815>with <00:38:20.175>just <00:38:20.535>special <00:38:20.895>information.

713
00:38:21.995 --> 00:38:23.975
<00:38:21.995>Uh, <00:38:22.228>at <00:38:22.461>the <00:38:22.694>same <00:38:22.928>time, <00:38:23.161>we <00:38:23.395>want

714
00:38:23.975 --> 00:38:26.855
<00:38:23.975>to <00:38:24.208>collect <00:38:24.441>the <00:38:24.674>feedback <00:38:24.908>from <00:38:25.141>these <00:38:25.375>developers

715
00:38:26.875 --> 00:38:29.495
<00:38:26.875>and <00:38:27.050>understand <00:38:27.225>what <00:38:27.400>are <00:38:27.575>the <00:38:27.750>things <00:38:27.925>that <00:38:28.100>are <00:38:28.275>working

716
00:38:29.635 --> 00:38:32.975
<00:38:29.635>and <00:38:29.775>the <00:38:29.915>things <00:38:30.055>that <00:38:30.195>can <00:38:30.335>be <00:38:30.475>improved, <00:38:30.615>uh, <00:38:30.755>with <00:38:30.895>the <00:38:31.035>standards,

717
00:38:32.975 --> 00:38:36.775
<00:38:32.975>so <00:38:33.150>to, <00:38:33.325>to <00:38:33.500>make <00:38:33.674>the <00:38:33.850>standards <00:38:34.025>even <00:38:34.200>better, <00:38:34.375>better.

718
00:38:36.775 --> 00:38:39.695
<00:38:36.775>So, <00:38:36.950>as <00:38:37.125>you <00:38:37.300>can <00:38:37.475>imagine, <00:38:37.650>uh, <00:38:37.825>this <00:38:38.000>role, <00:38:38.175>uh,

719
00:38:39.775 --> 00:38:41.615
<00:38:39.775>involves <00:38:40.055>a <00:38:40.335>lot <00:38:40.615>of, <00:38:40.895>uh, <00:38:41.175>speaking.

720
00:38:41.875 --> 00:38:46.095
<00:38:41.875>And <00:38:42.050>so <00:38:42.225>speaking <00:38:42.400>with, <00:38:42.575>uh, <00:38:42.750>developers, <00:38:42.925>uh, <00:38:43.100>attending, <00:38:43.275>uh,

721
00:38:46.365 --> 00:38:49.975
<00:38:46.365>developer <00:38:46.564>events, <00:38:46.765>uh, <00:38:46.964>and <00:38:47.165>also <00:38:47.365>creating, <00:38:47.564>uh, <00:38:47.765>content.

722
00:38:50.195 --> 00:38:52.015
<00:38:50.195>So <00:38:50.475>like, <00:38:50.755>uh, <00:38:51.035>you <00:38:51.315>know, <00:38:51.595>videos

723
00:38:52.395 --> 00:38:56.735
<00:38:52.395>or <00:38:52.550>blog <00:38:52.706>posts, <00:38:52.861>uh, <00:38:53.017>sometimes <00:38:53.172>the, <00:38:53.328>the <00:38:53.483>commentation <00:38:53.639>as <00:38:53.795>well.

724
00:38:58.245 --> 00:39:01.825
<00:38:58.245>Uh, <00:38:58.384>a <00:38:58.525>big <00:38:58.665>part <00:38:58.805>of <00:38:58.944>my <00:38:59.085>role <00:38:59.225>is <00:38:59.365>to <00:38:59.505>organize, <00:38:59.645>uh,

725
00:39:02.615 --> 00:39:05.425
<00:39:02.615>what <00:39:02.848>we <00:39:03.081>call <00:39:03.314>code <00:39:03.548>sprints <00:39:03.781>or <00:39:04.015>hackathons.

726
00:39:07.725 --> 00:39:11.345
<00:39:07.725>So <00:39:07.924>these <00:39:08.125>are, <00:39:08.325>uh, <00:39:08.525>three <00:39:08.725>day, <00:39:08.924>uh, <00:39:09.125>events.

727
00:39:11.535 --> 00:39:13.305
<00:39:11.535>They <00:39:11.884>are <00:39:12.234>normally <00:39:12.585>very <00:39:12.935>intensive.

728
00:39:13.605 --> 00:39:17.345
<00:39:13.605>So <00:39:13.780>for <00:39:13.955>morning <00:39:14.130>to, <00:39:14.305>to <00:39:14.480>dawn, <00:39:14.655>they <00:39:14.830>are, <00:39:15.005>uh,

729
00:39:17.815 --> 00:39:19.145
<00:39:17.815>they <00:39:18.114>have <00:39:18.413>an <00:39:18.712>hybrid <00:39:19.012>format.

730
00:39:19.725 --> 00:39:24.615
<00:39:19.725>Um, <00:39:19.924>so <00:39:20.125>during <00:39:20.325>the, <00:39:20.525>the <00:39:20.725>Pan <00:39:20.924>Panda <00:39:21.125>pandemic,

731
00:39:25.005 --> 00:39:26.735
<00:39:25.005>they <00:39:25.471>were, <00:39:25.938>uh, <00:39:26.405>virtual,

732
00:39:27.035 --> 00:39:29.175
<00:39:27.035>and <00:39:27.210>now <00:39:27.384>we <00:39:27.560>try <00:39:27.734>to <00:39:27.910>organize <00:39:28.085>them <00:39:28.259>as <00:39:28.435>hybrid,

733
00:39:30.075 --> 00:39:33.575
<00:39:30.075>and <00:39:30.230>they <00:39:30.386>are <00:39:30.541>held <00:39:30.697>three <00:39:30.852>times <00:39:31.008>per <00:39:31.163>year <00:39:31.319>in <00:39:31.475>different

734
00:39:34.015 --> 00:39:36.615
<00:39:34.015>locations, <00:39:34.170>uh, <00:39:34.326>around <00:39:34.481>the <00:39:34.637>world, <00:39:34.792>so <00:39:34.948>we <00:39:35.103>can <00:39:35.259>reach, <00:39:35.415>uh,

735
00:39:36.615 --> 00:39:39.175
<00:39:36.615>different <00:39:37.314>developer <00:39:38.015>communities.

736
00:39:40.455 --> 00:39:42.475
<00:39:40.455>So <00:39:40.688>our <00:39:40.921>goals <00:39:41.154>are, <00:39:41.388>as <00:39:41.621>I <00:39:41.855>mentioned

737
00:39:42.475 --> 00:39:45.315
<00:39:42.475>before, <00:39:42.650>we <00:39:42.825>want <00:39:43.000>to <00:39:43.174>support <00:39:43.350>development <00:39:43.525>of <00:39:43.700>the <00:39:43.875>standards.

738
00:39:45.935 --> 00:39:48.555
<00:39:45.935>Uh, <00:39:46.110>so <00:39:46.285>we <00:39:46.460>want <00:39:46.634>to <00:39:46.810>bring <00:39:46.985>this <00:39:47.160>feedback <00:39:47.335>from,

739
00:39:48.585 --> 00:39:52.555
<00:39:48.585>from <00:39:48.712>the <00:39:48.839>developers, <00:39:48.966>and <00:39:49.094>at <00:39:49.221>the <00:39:49.348>same <00:39:49.475>time, <00:39:49.603>we <00:39:49.730>want <00:39:49.857>to, <00:39:49.985>uh,

740
00:39:52.555 --> 00:39:55.075
<00:39:52.555>help <00:39:52.835>developers <00:39:53.115>implementing <00:39:53.395>the <00:39:53.674>standards <00:39:53.955>on,

741
00:39:55.095 --> 00:39:56.155
<00:39:55.095>on <00:39:55.572>their <00:39:56.049>applications.

742
00:39:56.935 --> 00:39:58.995
<00:39:56.935>And <00:39:57.215>recently <00:39:57.495>we <00:39:57.775>introduced <00:39:58.055>another <00:39:58.335>goal,

743
00:39:58.995 --> 00:40:00.155
<00:39:58.995>which <00:39:59.343>is, <00:39:59.691>uh, <00:40:00.039>outreach.

744
00:40:00.455 --> 00:40:04.875
<00:40:00.455>So, <00:40:00.582>uh, <00:40:00.709>people <00:40:00.836>who <00:40:00.964>are <00:40:01.091>perhaps <00:40:01.218>new <00:40:01.345>to <00:40:01.473>these, <00:40:01.600>uh, <00:40:01.727>to <00:40:01.855>these

745
00:40:05.475 --> 00:40:07.115
<00:40:05.475>standards, <00:40:05.674>they <00:40:05.875>can <00:40:06.075>come <00:40:06.275>to <00:40:06.475>the <00:40:06.674>code <00:40:06.875>sprints

746
00:40:07.115 --> 00:40:10.315
<00:40:07.115>and <00:40:07.290>learn <00:40:07.464>about <00:40:07.640>them, <00:40:07.814>uh, <00:40:07.990>from, <00:40:08.165>from <00:40:08.339>their <00:40:08.515>peers.

747
00:40:12.345 --> 00:40:16.405
<00:40:12.345>Uh, <00:40:12.500>we <00:40:12.656>have, <00:40:12.811>um, <00:40:12.967>developers, <00:40:13.122>uh, <00:40:13.278>joining <00:40:13.433>across <00:40:13.589>the <00:40:13.745>world,

748
00:40:16.545 --> 00:40:18.685
<00:40:16.545>bo <00:40:16.778>both <00:40:17.011>virtually <00:40:17.245>and, <00:40:17.478>and <00:40:17.711>in <00:40:17.945>person.

749
00:40:19.625 --> 00:40:22.405
<00:40:19.625>Uh, <00:40:19.780>and <00:40:19.936>we <00:40:20.091>have <00:40:20.247>also <00:40:20.402>other <00:40:20.558>contributors, <00:40:20.713>by <00:40:20.869>the <00:40:21.025>way,

750
00:40:22.475 --> 00:40:26.005
<00:40:22.475>that <00:40:22.630>don't <00:40:22.786>necessarily <00:40:22.941>write <00:40:23.097>codes, <00:40:23.252>so <00:40:23.408>they <00:40:23.563>can <00:40:23.719>be <00:40:23.875>involved,

751
00:40:26.465 --> 00:40:28.965
<00:40:26.465>uh, <00:40:26.815>in <00:40:27.165>technology <00:40:27.515>integration <00:40:27.865>experiments.

752
00:40:29.025 --> 00:40:31.765
<00:40:29.025>So <00:40:29.225>seeing <00:40:29.425>how <00:40:29.625>the <00:40:29.825>different <00:40:30.025>tools <00:40:30.225>work <00:40:30.425>together

753
00:40:31.795 --> 00:40:35.285
<00:40:31.795>with <00:40:31.970>the <00:40:32.145>standards, <00:40:32.320>they <00:40:32.495>could <00:40:32.670>be, <00:40:32.845>uh, <00:40:33.020>testing, <00:40:33.195>uh,

754
00:40:35.645 --> 00:40:39.285
<00:40:35.645>creating <00:40:35.845>issues, <00:40:36.045>creating, <00:40:36.245>uh, <00:40:36.445>documentation <00:40:36.645>and <00:40:36.845>so <00:40:37.045>on.

755
00:40:40.035 --> 00:40:42.935
<00:40:40.035>Uh, <00:40:40.210>I, <00:40:40.384>I <00:40:40.560>would <00:40:40.734>say <00:40:40.910>it's <00:40:41.085>an <00:40:41.259>ex <00:40:41.435>extreme,

756
00:40:43.125 --> 00:40:44.975
<00:40:43.125>extremely <00:40:43.825>collaborative <00:40:44.525>environment.

757
00:40:44.995 --> 00:40:47.655
<00:40:44.995>So <00:40:45.170>everyone <00:40:45.345>is <00:40:45.520>just, <00:40:45.694>you <00:40:45.870>know, <00:40:46.045>helping <00:40:46.220>each <00:40:46.395>other.

758
00:40:47.995 --> 00:40:49.375
<00:40:47.995>Is <00:40:48.409>non-competitive <00:40:48.823>at <00:40:49.237>all?

759
00:40:49.995 --> 00:40:52.615
<00:40:49.995>Uh, <00:40:50.170>we <00:40:50.345>will <00:40:50.520>want <00:40:50.694>to, <00:40:50.870>the <00:40:51.045>applications <00:40:51.220>to <00:40:51.395>work

760
00:40:52.675 --> 00:40:53.975
<00:40:52.675>and <00:40:52.967>the <00:40:53.260>standards <00:40:53.552>to <00:40:53.845>work,

761
00:40:54.475 --> 00:40:55.615
<00:40:54.475>and <00:40:54.988>people, <00:40:55.500>uh,

762
00:40:55.615 --> 00:40:58.055
<00:40:55.615>even <00:40:55.790>if <00:40:55.964>they're <00:40:56.140>working <00:40:56.314>in <00:40:56.490>their <00:40:56.665>own <00:40:56.839>projects, <00:40:57.015>uh,

763
00:40:58.125 --> 00:41:01.015
<00:40:58.125>very <00:40:58.300>often <00:40:58.475>they <00:40:58.650>are, <00:40:58.825>you <00:40:59.000>know, <00:40:59.175>just, <00:40:59.350>uh, <00:40:59.525>speaking

764
00:41:01.035 --> 00:41:02.455
<00:41:01.035>to <00:41:01.354>others <00:41:01.674>and <00:41:01.993>helping <00:41:02.313>others.

765
00:41:03.125 --> 00:41:07.615
<00:41:03.125>It's <00:41:03.280>very <00:41:03.436>informal, <00:41:03.591>so <00:41:03.747>there's <00:41:03.902>minimal, <00:41:04.058>uh, <00:41:04.213>structure <00:41:04.369>on <00:41:04.525>it.

766
00:41:07.675 --> 00:41:09.695
<00:41:07.675>We <00:41:07.850>have <00:41:08.025>a <00:41:08.200>couple <00:41:08.375>of <00:41:08.550>meetings <00:41:08.725>during <00:41:08.900>the <00:41:09.075>day,

767
00:41:09.695 --> 00:41:12.895
<00:41:09.695>but <00:41:09.822>that's <00:41:09.949>all, <00:41:10.076>people <00:41:10.204>are <00:41:10.331>very <00:41:10.458>free <00:41:10.585>to <00:41:10.713>do <00:41:10.840>what <00:41:10.967>they <00:41:11.095>want.

768
00:41:13.275 --> 00:41:17.535
<00:41:13.275>So <00:41:13.450>I <00:41:13.625>think <00:41:13.800>it's <00:41:13.975>an <00:41:14.150>extremely, <00:41:14.325>uh, <00:41:14.500>supportive <00:41:14.675>environment,

769
00:41:17.715 --> 00:41:18.815
<00:41:17.715>uh, <00:41:18.045>to <00:41:18.375>be <00:41:18.705>in.

770
00:41:20.455 --> 00:41:25.105
<00:41:20.455>However, <00:41:20.610>uh, <00:41:20.766>there's <00:41:20.921>still <00:41:21.077>room <00:41:21.232>for <00:41:21.388>improvement <00:41:21.543>in <00:41:21.699>terms <00:41:21.855>of,

771
00:41:25.685 --> 00:41:29.305
<00:41:25.685>uh, <00:41:25.918>diversity <00:41:26.151>in <00:41:26.384>these, <00:41:26.618>uh, <00:41:26.851>code <00:41:27.085>sprints.

772
00:41:29.805 --> 00:41:33.195
<00:41:29.805>And <00:41:29.960>this <00:41:30.116>is <00:41:30.271>something <00:41:30.427>that <00:41:30.582>has <00:41:30.738>been, <00:41:30.893>you <00:41:31.049>know, <00:41:31.205>uh,

773
00:41:33.295 --> 00:41:34.995
<00:41:33.295>in <00:41:33.761>my <00:41:34.228>mind, <00:41:34.695>uh,

774
00:41:35.375 --> 00:41:38.955
<00:41:35.375>and <00:41:35.530>I, <00:41:35.686>we <00:41:35.841>are <00:41:35.997>trying <00:41:36.152>different <00:41:36.308>things <00:41:36.463>in <00:41:36.619>order <00:41:36.775>to,

775
00:41:39.295 --> 00:41:40.515
<00:41:39.295>to <00:41:39.661>improve <00:41:40.027>this <00:41:40.393>diversity.

776
00:41:41.865 --> 00:41:45.585
<00:41:41.865>Uh, <00:41:42.020>I <00:41:42.176>think <00:41:42.331>I <00:41:42.487>have <00:41:42.642>to <00:41:42.798>say <00:41:42.953>that <00:41:43.109>ultimately, <00:41:43.265>uh,

777
00:41:45.685 --> 00:41:48.545
<00:41:45.685>the <00:41:45.860>diversity <00:41:46.035>in <00:41:46.210>the <00:41:46.384>sprint <00:41:46.560>is <00:41:46.735>a, <00:41:46.910>a <00:41:47.085>reflection

778
00:41:48.805 --> 00:41:52.995
<00:41:48.805>of <00:41:49.085>the <00:41:49.365>diversity <00:41:49.645>of <00:41:49.924>the <00:41:50.205>pro.

779
00:41:53.055 --> 00:41:55.515
<00:41:53.055>The <00:41:53.230>software <00:41:53.404>projects <00:41:53.580>that <00:41:53.754>come <00:41:53.930>to <00:41:54.105>the <00:41:54.279>code <00:41:54.455>sprints

780
00:41:55.515 --> 00:41:57.835
<00:41:55.515>that <00:41:55.748>are, <00:41:55.981>you <00:41:56.214>know, <00:41:56.448>are <00:41:56.681>not <00:41:56.915>diverse.

781
00:41:58.335 --> 00:42:00.035
<00:41:58.335>And <00:41:58.615>then <00:41:58.895>the <00:41:59.175>standards <00:41:59.455>working <00:41:59.735>groups

782
00:42:00.225 --> 00:42:02.075
<00:42:00.225>that <00:42:00.575>develop <00:42:00.924>the <00:42:01.275>standards, <00:42:01.625>uh,

783
00:42:02.105 --> 00:42:04.155
<00:42:02.105>they <00:42:02.385>are <00:42:02.665>also <00:42:02.945>not <00:42:03.225>that <00:42:03.505>diverse.

784
00:42:04.215 --> 00:42:06.595
<00:42:04.215>And <00:42:04.415>ultimately, <00:42:04.615>these <00:42:04.815>are <00:42:05.015>the <00:42:05.215>people <00:42:05.415>that <00:42:05.615>come

785
00:42:06.735 --> 00:42:07.795
<00:42:06.735>to <00:42:07.053>the <00:42:07.371>code <00:42:07.689>sprints.

786
00:42:09.235 --> 00:42:13.035
<00:42:09.235>Although, <00:42:09.435>uh, <00:42:09.635>recently <00:42:09.835>with <00:42:10.035>the <00:42:10.235>outreach <00:42:10.435>component, <00:42:10.635>uh,

787
00:42:13.865 --> 00:42:16.075
<00:42:13.865>that <00:42:14.064>we, <00:42:14.265>we, <00:42:14.464>we <00:42:14.665>start <00:42:14.865>to <00:42:15.064>have, <00:42:15.265>uh,

788
00:42:16.075 --> 00:42:18.395
<00:42:16.075>more <00:42:16.355>diverse <00:42:16.634>participation, <00:42:16.915>which <00:42:17.194>is <00:42:17.475>great.

789
00:42:18.455 --> 00:42:21.275
<00:42:18.455>But <00:42:18.595>I <00:42:18.735>think <00:42:18.875>probably <00:42:19.015>we <00:42:19.154>need <00:42:19.295>to <00:42:19.435>address <00:42:19.575>this, <00:42:19.715>you <00:42:19.855>know,

790
00:42:21.425 --> 00:42:23.795
<00:42:21.425>this <00:42:21.705>problem <00:42:21.985>before <00:42:22.265>the <00:42:22.545>code <00:42:22.825>Sprint.

791
00:42:24.815 --> 00:42:27.925
<00:42:24.815>Uh, <00:42:24.990>in <00:42:25.165>any <00:42:25.340>case, <00:42:25.515>uh, <00:42:25.690>the <00:42:25.865>efforts <00:42:26.040>we're <00:42:26.215>trying

792
00:42:27.925 --> 00:42:29.165
<00:42:27.925>to <00:42:28.297>do <00:42:28.669>are <00:42:29.041>outreach.

793
00:42:29.545 --> 00:42:32.085
<00:42:29.545>You <00:42:29.672>know, <00:42:29.799>I, <00:42:29.926>I <00:42:30.054>go <00:42:30.181>a <00:42:30.308>lot <00:42:30.435>to, <00:42:30.563>I <00:42:30.690>try <00:42:30.817>to <00:42:30.945>go

794
00:42:32.085 --> 00:42:36.235
<00:42:32.085>to <00:42:32.285>some <00:42:32.485>specialized <00:42:32.685>channels <00:42:32.885>like <00:42:33.085>Women <00:42:33.285>Geospatial, <00:42:33.485>uh,

795
00:42:36.335 --> 00:42:37.435
<00:42:36.335>gee, <00:42:36.830>girls <00:42:37.325>Portugal.

796
00:42:37.975 --> 00:42:40.355
<00:42:37.975>Uh, <00:42:38.150>and <00:42:38.325>if <00:42:38.500>you <00:42:38.674>know <00:42:38.850>more, <00:42:39.025>uh, <00:42:39.200>I <00:42:39.375>mean,

797
00:42:40.355 --> 00:42:41.875
<00:42:40.355>please, <00:42:40.697>please <00:42:41.039>let <00:42:41.381>me <00:42:41.723>know.

798
00:42:43.325 --> 00:42:46.585
<00:42:43.325>We <00:42:43.464>also, <00:42:43.605>we, <00:42:43.745>when <00:42:43.884>we <00:42:44.024>have <00:42:44.165>the <00:42:44.305>funding, <00:42:44.444>uh, <00:42:44.585>we <00:42:44.725>try

799
00:42:46.585 --> 00:42:51.385
<00:42:46.585>to <00:42:46.740>give <00:42:46.896>travel <00:42:47.051>grants <00:42:47.207>in <00:42:47.362>order <00:42:47.518>to <00:42:47.673>allow <00:42:47.829>some, <00:42:47.985>uh,

800
00:42:51.385 --> 00:42:55.305
<00:42:51.385>participants <00:42:51.540>to <00:42:51.696>be <00:42:51.851>able <00:42:52.007>to, <00:42:52.162>to <00:42:52.318>attend <00:42:52.473>the <00:42:52.629>code <00:42:52.785>Sprint.

801
00:42:55.685 --> 00:42:58.745
<00:42:55.685>And <00:42:55.840>we <00:42:55.996>take <00:42:56.151>diversity <00:42:56.307>into <00:42:56.462>account, <00:42:56.618>so <00:42:56.773>we <00:42:56.929>have <00:42:57.085>kind

802
00:42:58.745 --> 00:43:01.545
<00:42:58.745>of <00:42:59.025>positive <00:42:59.305>discrimination <00:42:59.585>in <00:42:59.865>that <00:43:00.145>matter.

803
00:43:02.605 --> 00:43:05.785
<00:43:02.605>Um, <00:43:02.805>and <00:43:03.005>then <00:43:03.205>we <00:43:03.405>try <00:43:03.605>to <00:43:03.805>give <00:43:04.005>visibility

804
00:43:06.045 --> 00:43:07.865
<00:43:06.045>to <00:43:06.395>the, <00:43:06.745>to <00:43:07.095>the <00:43:07.445>participants.

805
00:43:07.865 --> 00:43:11.265
<00:43:07.865>So <00:43:08.020>for <00:43:08.176>instance, <00:43:08.331>if <00:43:08.487>there <00:43:08.642>are <00:43:08.798>few, <00:43:08.953>uh, <00:43:09.109>female <00:43:09.265>participants,

806
00:43:11.425 --> 00:43:15.025
<00:43:11.425>I <00:43:11.600>might <00:43:11.775>encourage <00:43:11.950>them <00:43:12.125>to, <00:43:12.300>um, <00:43:12.475>present <00:43:12.650>a <00:43:12.825>workshop

807
00:43:15.045 --> 00:43:18.665
<00:43:15.045>or <00:43:15.172>a <00:43:15.299>tutorial <00:43:15.426>so <00:43:15.554>that <00:43:15.681>they <00:43:15.808>can, <00:43:15.935>they <00:43:16.063>can <00:43:16.190>be <00:43:16.317>more <00:43:16.445>visible,

808
00:43:18.805 --> 00:43:21.545
<00:43:18.805>and <00:43:18.944>then <00:43:19.085>the <00:43:19.225>people <00:43:19.365>that, <00:43:19.504>uh, <00:43:19.645>come <00:43:19.785>to <00:43:19.924>the <00:43:20.065>Code <00:43:20.205>Sprint,

809
00:43:21.545 --> 00:43:24.665
<00:43:21.545>they <00:43:21.672>can <00:43:21.799>see, <00:43:21.926>oh, <00:43:22.054>I'm <00:43:22.181>not, <00:43:22.308>you <00:43:22.435>know, <00:43:22.563>the <00:43:22.690>only <00:43:22.817>woman <00:43:22.945>here.

810
00:43:26.205 --> 00:43:30.865
<00:43:26.205>Uh, <00:43:26.332>the <00:43:26.459>other <00:43:26.586>thing <00:43:26.714>we <00:43:26.841>try <00:43:26.968>to <00:43:27.095>do <00:43:27.223>is, <00:43:27.350>uh, <00:43:27.477>we <00:43:27.605>acknowledge

811
00:43:30.865 --> 00:43:35.745
<00:43:30.865>that <00:43:31.020>like <00:43:31.176>three <00:43:31.331>days <00:43:31.487>of <00:43:31.642>intense, <00:43:31.798>uh, <00:43:31.953>intense <00:43:32.109>work, <00:43:32.265>uh,

812
00:43:35.915 --> 00:43:40.425
<00:43:35.915>maybe <00:43:36.090>it's <00:43:36.265>could <00:43:36.440>be <00:43:36.615>hard <00:43:36.790>to <00:43:36.965>conciliate <00:43:37.140>with <00:43:37.315>some,

813
00:43:40.885 --> 00:43:44.425
<00:43:40.885>uh, <00:43:41.165>with <00:43:41.445>some, <00:43:41.725>um, <00:43:42.005>family <00:43:42.285>situations.

814
00:43:44.925 --> 00:43:47.425
<00:43:44.925>So <00:43:45.205>we <00:43:45.485>try <00:43:45.765>to <00:43:46.045>have <00:43:46.325>flexibility

815
00:43:47.725 --> 00:43:49.265
<00:43:47.725>and <00:43:48.071>also <00:43:48.417>give <00:43:48.764>the <00:43:49.111>opportunity

816
00:43:49.445 --> 00:43:51.905
<00:43:49.445>to <00:43:49.725>attend <00:43:50.005>virtual, <00:43:50.285>the <00:43:50.565>Cold <00:43:50.845>Spring.

817
00:43:52.045 --> 00:43:57.025
<00:43:52.045>So <00:43:52.185>maybe, <00:43:52.325>uh, <00:43:52.465>some <00:43:52.605>women <00:43:52.745>for <00:43:52.885>in <00:43:53.025>their <00:43:53.165>particular, <00:43:53.305>uh, <00:43:53.445>due

818
00:43:57.025 --> 00:43:58.825
<00:43:57.025>to <00:43:57.258>their <00:43:57.491>particular <00:43:57.725>situation <00:43:57.958>on <00:43:58.191>the <00:43:58.425>point,

819
00:43:58.845 --> 00:44:01.225
<00:43:58.845>if <00:43:58.972>they <00:43:59.099>are <00:43:59.226>in <00:43:59.354>life, <00:43:59.481>they <00:43:59.608>are <00:43:59.735>not <00:43:59.863>able <00:43:59.990>to, <00:44:00.117>to <00:44:00.245>travel,

820
00:44:02.005 --> 00:44:03.265
<00:44:02.005>or <00:44:02.288>maybe <00:44:02.572>they're <00:44:02.855>not <00:44:03.139>able

821
00:44:03.485 --> 00:44:06.985
<00:44:03.485>to <00:44:03.612>be <00:44:03.739>in <00:44:03.866>the <00:44:03.994>Cold <00:44:04.121>Spring <00:44:04.248>24 <00:44:04.375>7, <00:44:04.503>I <00:44:04.630>think <00:44:04.757>that's <00:44:04.885>okay.

822
00:44:07.325 --> 00:44:10.745
<00:44:07.325>So <00:44:07.524>there's <00:44:07.725>still <00:44:07.924>some <00:44:08.125>flexibility, <00:44:08.325>uh, <00:44:08.524>to <00:44:08.725>attend,

823
00:44:10.885 --> 00:44:12.745
<00:44:10.885>and <00:44:11.118>we <00:44:11.351>encourage <00:44:11.585>people <00:44:11.818>to, <00:44:12.051>you <00:44:12.285>know,

824
00:44:13.045 --> 00:44:15.745
<00:44:13.045>to <00:44:13.220>attend <00:44:13.395>virtually <00:44:13.570>if <00:44:13.745>they <00:44:13.920>cannot, <00:44:14.095>uh, <00:44:14.270>do <00:44:14.445>it,

825
00:44:16.205 --> 00:44:17.345
<00:44:16.205>uh, <00:44:16.461>in <00:44:16.718>a <00:44:16.974>different <00:44:17.231>way.

826
00:44:18.005 --> 00:44:19.985
<00:44:18.005>So <00:44:18.145>these <00:44:18.285>are <00:44:18.425>some <00:44:18.565>things <00:44:18.705>that <00:44:18.845>we <00:44:18.985>are <00:44:19.125>trying <00:44:19.265>to <00:44:19.405>do,

827
00:44:20.085 --> 00:44:23.785
<00:44:20.085>but <00:44:20.240>I'm <00:44:20.396>open <00:44:20.551>to <00:44:20.707>hear <00:44:20.862>suggestions <00:44:21.018>if, <00:44:21.173>uh, <00:44:21.329>you <00:44:21.485>know,

828
00:44:23.785 --> 00:44:25.305
<00:44:23.785>if <00:44:24.127>people <00:44:24.469>have <00:44:24.810>other <00:44:25.153>ideas.

829
00:44:27.895 --> 00:44:32.165
<00:44:27.895>Okay, <00:44:28.035>so <00:44:28.175>I <00:44:28.315>think <00:44:28.455>I'm, <00:44:28.595>uh, <00:44:28.735>uh, <00:44:28.875>arriving <00:44:29.015>to <00:44:29.155>the <00:44:29.295>end

830
00:44:32.165 --> 00:44:35.605
<00:44:32.165>of <00:44:32.281>my <00:44:32.398>time, <00:44:32.515>but <00:44:32.631>I <00:44:32.748>want <00:44:32.865>to <00:44:32.981>give <00:44:33.098>a <00:44:33.215>few <00:44:33.331>words <00:44:33.448>more, <00:44:33.565>uh,

831
00:44:35.695 --> 00:44:38.805
<00:44:35.695>about <00:44:35.895>the <00:44:36.095>free <00:44:36.295>and <00:44:36.495>open <00:44:36.695>source <00:44:36.895>community, <00:44:37.095>uh,

832
00:44:38.865 --> 00:44:41.765
<00:44:38.865>and <00:44:39.064>in <00:44:39.265>particular <00:44:39.464>the <00:44:39.665>OSG <00:44:39.865>community, <00:44:40.064>which <00:44:40.265>I'm,

833
00:44:41.825 --> 00:44:43.045
<00:44:41.825>uh, <00:44:42.191>more <00:44:42.557>related <00:44:42.923>to.

834
00:44:44.145 --> 00:44:47.925
<00:44:44.145>And <00:44:44.272>I <00:44:44.399>want <00:44:44.526>to <00:44:44.654>say, <00:44:44.781>first <00:44:44.908>of <00:44:45.035>all, <00:44:45.163>that <00:44:45.290>I <00:44:45.417>find, <00:44:45.545>uh,

835
00:44:48.105 --> 00:44:52.485
<00:44:48.105>the <00:44:48.245>first <00:44:48.385>community <00:44:48.525>or <00:44:48.665>the <00:44:48.805>OSGO <00:44:48.945>community <00:44:49.085>to <00:44:49.225>be <00:44:49.365>an <00:44:49.505>extremely

836
00:44:53.245 --> 00:44:55.165
<00:44:53.245>respective <00:44:53.711>and <00:44:54.178>supportive <00:44:54.645>environment.

837
00:44:55.225 --> 00:44:58.205
<00:44:55.225>So <00:44:55.424>everyone <00:44:55.625>there <00:44:55.825>is, <00:44:56.025>you <00:44:56.225>know, <00:44:56.424>extremely, <00:44:56.625>uh,

838
00:44:58.295 --> 00:45:00.605
<00:44:58.295>supportive <00:44:58.645>is <00:44:58.995>a <00:44:59.345>collaborative <00:44:59.695>environment.

839
00:45:01.105 --> 00:45:03.965
<00:45:01.105>Uh, <00:45:01.245>I <00:45:01.385>don't <00:45:01.525>see <00:45:01.665>a <00:45:01.805>lot <00:45:01.945>of <00:45:02.085>things <00:45:02.225>that, <00:45:02.365>you <00:45:02.505>know,

840
00:45:03.985 --> 00:45:06.925
<00:45:03.985>of <00:45:04.112>ugly <00:45:04.239>things <00:45:04.366>that <00:45:04.494>we <00:45:04.621>see <00:45:04.748>in <00:45:04.875>other <00:45:05.003>parts <00:45:05.130>of <00:45:05.257>the <00:45:05.385>internet,

841
00:45:07.035 --> 00:45:10.045
<00:45:07.035>like <00:45:07.234>trolling <00:45:07.435>and, <00:45:07.634>and <00:45:07.835>this <00:45:08.035>kind <00:45:08.234>of <00:45:08.435>thing.

842
00:45:10.505 --> 00:45:14.125
<00:45:10.505>Uh, <00:45:10.660>people <00:45:10.816>are, <00:45:10.971>are <00:45:11.127>really, <00:45:11.282>really, <00:45:11.438>uh, <00:45:11.593>eager <00:45:11.749>to <00:45:11.905>help.

843
00:45:14.825 --> 00:45:17.645
<00:45:14.825>And <00:45:15.024>also, <00:45:15.225>it's <00:45:15.424>a <00:45:15.625>kind <00:45:15.825>of <00:45:16.024>a <00:45:16.225>meritocracy.

844
00:45:17.945 --> 00:45:22.245
<00:45:17.945>So <00:45:18.085>if <00:45:18.225>you <00:45:18.365>are, <00:45:18.505>you <00:45:18.645>know, <00:45:18.785>if, <00:45:18.925>if <00:45:19.065>you <00:45:19.205>have, <00:45:19.345>uh,

845
00:45:22.945 --> 00:45:26.325
<00:45:22.945>you <00:45:23.145>can <00:45:23.345>earn <00:45:23.545>respect <00:45:23.745>with <00:45:23.945>your <00:45:24.145>technical <00:45:24.345>contribution.

846
00:45:26.345 --> 00:45:30.485
<00:45:26.345>So <00:45:26.472>if <00:45:26.599>you <00:45:26.726>are, <00:45:26.854>if <00:45:26.981>you <00:45:27.108>are, <00:45:27.235>uh, <00:45:27.363>providing <00:45:27.490>a <00:45:27.617>good, <00:45:27.745>uh,

847
00:45:30.485 --> 00:45:33.605
<00:45:30.485>technical <00:45:30.685>contribution <00:45:30.885>to <00:45:31.085>the <00:45:31.285>pro <00:45:31.485>project, <00:45:31.685>people <00:45:31.885>will,

848
00:45:34.145 --> 00:45:35.245
<00:45:34.145>uh, <00:45:34.640>acknowledge <00:45:35.134>that.

849
00:45:35.245 --> 00:45:36.365
<00:45:35.245>They <00:45:35.580>would <00:45:35.917>notice <00:45:36.252>that,

850
00:45:36.825 --> 00:45:39.245
<00:45:36.825>and, <00:45:37.000>you <00:45:37.174>know, <00:45:37.350>they <00:45:37.524>can <00:45:37.700>give <00:45:37.875>you <00:45:38.049>more, <00:45:38.225>um,

851
00:45:40.005 --> 00:45:41.205
<00:45:40.005>responsibilities <00:45:40.365>according <00:45:40.725>to <00:45:41.085>that.

852
00:45:41.305 --> 00:45:44.965
<00:45:41.305>So <00:45:41.460>it, <00:45:41.616>there, <00:45:41.771>there's <00:45:41.927>no <00:45:42.082>judgments <00:45:42.238>based <00:45:42.393>on <00:45:42.549>other <00:45:42.705>things

853
00:45:45.035 --> 00:45:48.085
<00:45:45.035>like, <00:45:45.268>you <00:45:45.501>know, <00:45:45.734>uh, <00:45:45.968>gender <00:45:46.201>or <00:45:46.435>age

854
00:45:48.305 --> 00:45:50.285
<00:45:48.305>or, <00:45:48.585>uh, <00:45:48.865>background <00:45:49.145>and <00:45:49.424>so <00:45:49.705>on.

855
00:45:50.285 --> 00:45:52.085
<00:45:50.285>So <00:45:50.518>it's <00:45:50.751>purely <00:45:50.984>based <00:45:51.218>on, <00:45:51.451>on <00:45:51.685>Merit,

856
00:45:52.255 --> 00:45:54.365
<00:45:52.255>which <00:45:52.535>I <00:45:52.815>think <00:45:53.095>it's, <00:45:53.375>it's <00:45:53.655>great.

857
00:45:55.595 --> 00:45:59.515
<00:45:55.595>Nevertheless, <00:45:55.750>uh, <00:45:55.906>what <00:45:56.061>I <00:45:56.217>see, <00:45:56.372>what <00:45:56.528>I <00:45:56.683>observe <00:45:56.839>in, <00:45:56.995>uh,

858
00:46:00.215 --> 00:46:03.555
<00:46:00.215>the <00:46:00.370>software <00:46:00.526>projects <00:46:00.681>that <00:46:00.837>I <00:46:00.992>am <00:46:01.148>involved <00:46:01.303>with, <00:46:01.459>uh, <00:46:01.615>I,

859
00:46:03.755 --> 00:46:07.115
<00:46:03.755>there <00:46:03.988>are <00:46:04.221>few, <00:46:04.455>uh, <00:46:04.688>female <00:46:04.921>committers, <00:46:05.155>uh,

860
00:46:07.815 --> 00:46:10.435
<00:46:07.815>and <00:46:07.990>when <00:46:08.165>you <00:46:08.340>talk <00:46:08.515>about <00:46:08.690>maintainers <00:46:08.865>of <00:46:09.040>the <00:46:09.215>project,

861
00:46:10.615 --> 00:46:13.955
<00:46:10.615>so <00:46:10.790>the <00:46:10.964>people <00:46:11.140>that <00:46:11.314>are, <00:46:11.490>uh, <00:46:11.665>more <00:46:11.839>involved, <00:46:12.015>uh,

862
00:46:14.345 --> 00:46:17.635
<00:46:14.345>with <00:46:14.500>the <00:46:14.656>project <00:46:14.811>and <00:46:14.967>that <00:46:15.122>they <00:46:15.278>have <00:46:15.433>right, <00:46:15.589>uh, <00:46:15.745>permissions

863
00:46:17.735 --> 00:46:22.195
<00:46:17.735>to, <00:46:17.862>to <00:46:17.989>the <00:46:18.116>repository, <00:46:18.244>I, <00:46:18.371>I <00:46:18.498>see <00:46:18.625>even <00:46:18.753>less, <00:46:18.880>uh, <00:46:19.007>even <00:46:19.135>less,

864
00:46:22.535 --> 00:46:25.915
<00:46:22.535>uh, <00:46:22.768>women, <00:46:23.001>and <00:46:23.234>that's <00:46:23.468>a <00:46:23.701>bit <00:46:23.935>disconcerting.

865
00:46:26.615 --> 00:46:31.595
<00:46:26.615>Um, <00:46:26.754>I, <00:46:26.895>I'm <00:46:27.035>not <00:46:27.174>sure <00:46:27.314>about, <00:46:27.455>uh, <00:46:27.595>the <00:46:27.734>causes <00:46:27.875>of <00:46:28.015>that.

866
00:46:32.215 --> 00:46:36.275
<00:46:32.215>Uh, <00:46:32.355>I <00:46:32.495>see <00:46:32.635>that, <00:46:32.775>uh, <00:46:32.915>there <00:46:33.055>are <00:46:33.195>a <00:46:33.335>lot <00:46:33.475>of, <00:46:33.615>um,

867
00:46:37.435 --> 00:46:40.385
<00:46:37.435>there <00:46:37.562>are <00:46:37.689>not <00:46:37.816>a <00:46:37.944>lot, <00:46:38.071>but <00:46:38.198>there <00:46:38.325>are <00:46:38.453>some <00:46:38.580>users, <00:46:38.707>uh, <00:46:38.835>of,

868
00:46:40.485 --> 00:46:41.625
<00:46:40.485>of <00:46:40.998>this <00:46:41.511>projects.

869
00:46:41.625 --> 00:46:44.825
<00:46:41.625>So <00:46:41.752>when <00:46:41.879>I <00:46:42.006>go <00:46:42.134>to <00:46:42.261>conferences, <00:46:42.388>I <00:46:42.515>see, <00:46:42.643>uh, <00:46:42.770>there <00:46:42.897>are <00:46:43.025>women

870
00:46:44.855 --> 00:46:48.185
<00:46:44.855>that <00:46:45.010>are <00:46:45.166>there, <00:46:45.321>uh, <00:46:45.477>as <00:46:45.632>users <00:46:45.788>sometimes <00:46:45.943>as <00:46:46.099>power <00:46:46.255>users.

871
00:46:49.005 --> 00:46:51.625
<00:46:49.005>Uh, <00:46:49.180>but <00:46:49.355>then <00:46:49.530>when <00:46:49.705>I <00:46:49.880>look <00:46:50.055>at <00:46:50.230>the <00:46:50.405>committers,

872
00:46:51.625 --> 00:46:54.065
<00:46:51.625>then <00:46:51.905>the <00:46:52.185>number <00:46:52.465>is <00:46:52.745>disproportionately <00:46:53.025>lower.

873
00:46:54.165 --> 00:46:57.585
<00:46:54.165>And <00:46:54.305>of <00:46:54.445>course, <00:46:54.585>if <00:46:54.725>there <00:46:54.865>are <00:46:55.005>no <00:46:55.145>committers, <00:46:55.285>then <00:46:55.425>it's <00:46:55.565>hard

874
00:46:57.645 --> 00:46:58.665
<00:46:57.645>to <00:46:58.104>have <00:46:58.563>maintainers.

875
00:46:59.645 --> 00:47:02.665
<00:46:59.645>Um, <00:46:59.878>I, <00:47:00.111>I <00:47:00.345>think, <00:47:00.578>as <00:47:00.811>I <00:47:01.045>mentioned,

876
00:47:02.745 --> 00:47:05.425
<00:47:02.745>I <00:47:02.978>think <00:47:03.211>it's <00:47:03.444>extremely <00:47:03.678>supportive, <00:47:03.911>uh, <00:47:04.145>environment.

877
00:47:05.485 --> 00:47:08.025
<00:47:05.485>And <00:47:05.640>I <00:47:05.796>think <00:47:05.951>if <00:47:06.107>women <00:47:06.262>would <00:47:06.418>arrive <00:47:06.573>to <00:47:06.729>the <00:47:06.885>project,

878
00:47:08.025 --> 00:47:11.865
<00:47:08.025>there <00:47:08.152>will <00:47:08.279>be <00:47:08.406>no, <00:47:08.534>uh, <00:47:08.661>problem <00:47:08.788>for <00:47:08.915>them, <00:47:09.043>uh, <00:47:09.170>you <00:47:09.297>know, <00:47:09.425>to,

879
00:47:12.165 --> 00:47:17.065
<00:47:12.165>to, <00:47:12.365>to <00:47:12.565>being, <00:47:12.765>um, <00:47:12.965>included <00:47:13.165>and, <00:47:13.365>and <00:47:13.565>supportive.

880
00:47:17.565 --> 00:47:19.265
<00:47:17.565>But <00:47:17.798>the <00:47:18.031>problem <00:47:18.265>is <00:47:18.498>that <00:47:18.731>they <00:47:18.965>don't

881
00:47:19.265 --> 00:47:20.465
<00:47:19.265>arrive <00:47:19.481>there <00:47:19.697>in <00:47:19.913>the <00:47:20.129>first <00:47:20.345>place.

882
00:47:21.405 --> 00:47:25.805
<00:47:21.405>I <00:47:21.512>have, <00:47:21.620>uh, <00:47:21.728>one <00:47:21.835>of <00:47:21.943>my, <00:47:22.051>uh, <00:47:22.158>I <00:47:22.266>have <00:47:22.374>a <00:47:22.481>friend <00:47:22.589>that <00:47:22.697>is <00:47:22.805>working,

883
00:47:25.905 --> 00:47:28.925
<00:47:25.905>uh, <00:47:26.045>also <00:47:26.185>in <00:47:26.325>the <00:47:26.465>project, <00:47:26.605>and <00:47:26.745>he <00:47:26.885>is <00:47:27.025>always <00:47:27.165>saying, <00:47:27.305>uh,

884
00:47:29.305 --> 00:47:30.445
<00:47:29.305>we <00:47:29.561>need <00:47:29.818>more <00:47:30.074>young <00:47:30.331>women.

885
00:47:31.145 --> 00:47:34.685
<00:47:31.145>And <00:47:31.320>when <00:47:31.495>he <00:47:31.670>says <00:47:31.845>that <00:47:32.020>this <00:47:32.195>could <00:47:32.370>be <00:47:32.545>misinterpreted,

886
00:47:34.825 --> 00:47:38.845
<00:47:34.825>but, <00:47:34.964>uh, <00:47:35.105>uh, <00:47:35.245>in <00:47:35.384>reality, <00:47:35.524>he <00:47:35.665>doesn't <00:47:35.805>say, <00:47:35.944>he <00:47:36.085>says <00:47:36.225>this

887
00:47:38.845 --> 00:47:39.885
<00:47:38.845>with <00:47:39.078>a <00:47:39.313>very <00:47:39.547>good <00:47:39.781>intention.

888
00:47:40.425 --> 00:47:42.845
<00:47:40.425>Uh, <00:47:40.625>I, <00:47:40.825>I <00:47:41.025>know <00:47:41.225>that, <00:47:41.425>and <00:47:41.625>it's <00:47:41.825>true.

889
00:47:43.045 --> 00:47:45.285
<00:47:43.045>I <00:47:43.220>mean, <00:47:43.395>uh, <00:47:43.570>we <00:47:43.745>know <00:47:43.920>we <00:47:44.095>need <00:47:44.270>more <00:47:44.445>women

890
00:47:45.425 --> 00:47:48.085
<00:47:45.425>and <00:47:45.705>especially, <00:47:45.985>uh, <00:47:46.265>younger <00:47:46.545>women, <00:47:46.825>uh,

891
00:47:48.105 --> 00:47:52.525
<00:47:48.105>but, <00:47:48.232>you <00:47:48.359>know, <00:47:48.486>women <00:47:48.614>overall, <00:47:48.741>uh, <00:47:48.868>we <00:47:48.995>kind <00:47:49.123>of <00:47:49.250>not <00:47:49.377>really <00:47:49.505>sure

892
00:47:52.785 --> 00:47:53.845
<00:47:52.785>how <00:47:53.023>we <00:47:53.261>can <00:47:53.500>do <00:47:53.738>that.

893
00:47:54.665 --> 00:47:59.605
<00:47:54.665>Um, <00:47:54.781>I <00:47:54.898>think, <00:47:55.015>uh, <00:47:55.131>in <00:47:55.248>terms <00:47:55.365>of, <00:47:55.481>uh, <00:47:55.598>the <00:47:55.715>OSG, <00:47:55.831>uh, <00:47:55.948>right <00:47:56.065>now,

894
00:47:59.635 --> 00:48:01.885
<00:47:59.635>currently, <00:47:59.915>uh, <00:48:00.195>there <00:48:00.475>are <00:48:00.755>two <00:48:01.035>women

895
00:48:01.905 --> 00:48:03.005
<00:48:01.905>in <00:48:02.152>the <00:48:02.400>board <00:48:02.647>of <00:48:02.895>directors.

896
00:48:03.005 --> 00:48:05.205
<00:48:03.005>So <00:48:03.180>there <00:48:03.355>are <00:48:03.530>two <00:48:03.705>women <00:48:03.880>in <00:48:04.055>a <00:48:04.230>position <00:48:04.405>of

897
00:48:05.805 --> 00:48:07.045
<00:48:05.805>decision <00:48:06.363>decision <00:48:06.921>making.

898
00:48:07.185 --> 00:48:11.605
<00:48:07.185>So <00:48:07.418>overseeing <00:48:07.651>over, <00:48:07.884>um, <00:48:08.118>overseeing <00:48:08.351>the, <00:48:08.585>the,

899
00:48:11.665 --> 00:48:15.245
<00:48:11.665>the <00:48:11.840>organization, <00:48:12.015>uh, <00:48:12.190>it's <00:48:12.365>still <00:48:12.540>two <00:48:12.715>out <00:48:12.890>of <00:48:13.065>nine.

900
00:48:15.875 --> 00:48:16.885
<00:48:15.875>It's, <00:48:16.178>it's <00:48:16.481>not <00:48:16.784>great.

901
00:48:17.705 --> 00:48:22.215
<00:48:17.705>Um, <00:48:17.904>but, <00:48:18.105>uh, <00:48:18.305>uh, <00:48:18.505>I <00:48:18.705>think <00:48:18.904>the <00:48:19.105>problem

902
00:48:23.335 --> 00:48:26.575
<00:48:23.335>specifically <00:48:23.535>on <00:48:23.735>the <00:48:23.935>technical <00:48:24.135>part <00:48:24.335>of <00:48:24.535>the <00:48:24.735>projects,

903
00:48:27.075 --> 00:48:30.055
<00:48:27.075>so <00:48:27.250>less <00:48:27.424>in <00:48:27.600>the, <00:48:27.774>maybe <00:48:27.950>less <00:48:28.125>in <00:48:28.299>the <00:48:28.475>leadership,

904
00:48:30.055 --> 00:48:31.935
<00:48:30.055>maybe <00:48:30.335>less <00:48:30.615>in <00:48:30.895>the <00:48:31.174>user <00:48:31.455>base,

905
00:48:31.995 --> 00:48:34.135
<00:48:31.995>but <00:48:32.194>I <00:48:32.395>think <00:48:32.595>it's <00:48:32.795>more <00:48:32.995>like <00:48:33.194>in <00:48:33.395>the

906
00:48:34.135 --> 00:48:35.935
<00:48:34.135>actual <00:48:34.485>contributors <00:48:34.835>to <00:48:35.185>the <00:48:35.535>project.

907
00:48:36.715 --> 00:48:39.785
<00:48:36.715>So <00:48:36.842>this <00:48:36.969>is <00:48:37.096>another <00:48:37.224>area <00:48:37.351>where <00:48:37.478>I, <00:48:37.605>you <00:48:37.733>know, <00:48:37.860>I <00:48:37.987>would <00:48:38.115>love

908
00:48:39.785 --> 00:48:43.145
<00:48:39.785>to <00:48:39.984>hear, <00:48:40.185>uh, <00:48:40.384>suggestions <00:48:40.585>from <00:48:40.785>everyone <00:48:40.984>or <00:48:41.185>ideas.

909
00:48:43.365 --> 00:48:45.265
<00:48:43.365>Uh, <00:48:43.540>I, <00:48:43.714>I <00:48:43.890>don't <00:48:44.064>have <00:48:44.240>a <00:48:44.415>solution <00:48:44.589>for <00:48:44.765>this.

910
00:48:45.725 --> 00:48:49.065
<00:48:45.725>Uh, <00:48:45.880>it's <00:48:46.036>something <00:48:46.191>that, <00:48:46.347>uh, <00:48:46.502>you <00:48:46.658>know, <00:48:46.813>uh, <00:48:46.969>bothers <00:48:47.125>me

911
00:48:49.125 --> 00:48:51.545
<00:48:49.125>and <00:48:49.280>worries <00:48:49.436>me <00:48:49.591>and, <00:48:49.747>you <00:48:49.902>know, <00:48:50.058>is <00:48:50.213>in <00:48:50.369>the <00:48:50.525>back

912
00:48:51.545 --> 00:48:54.835
<00:48:51.545>of <00:48:51.895>my <00:48:52.245>mind, <00:48:52.595>uh, <00:48:52.945>okay.

913
00:48:54.955 --> 00:48:58.395
<00:48:54.955>I <00:48:55.095>just <00:48:55.235>wanted <00:48:55.375>to <00:48:55.515>give <00:48:55.654>a, <00:48:55.795>a <00:48:55.935>shout <00:48:56.075>out <00:48:56.215>also, <00:48:56.355>uh,

914
00:48:58.615 --> 00:49:02.915
<00:48:58.615>to <00:48:58.814>other <00:48:59.015>groups <00:48:59.214>that <00:48:59.415>are <00:48:59.615>underrepresented <00:48:59.814>in <00:49:00.015>tech.

915
00:49:03.025 --> 00:49:06.675
<00:49:03.025>Even <00:49:03.180>if <00:49:03.336>this <00:49:03.491>is, <00:49:03.647>you <00:49:03.802>know, <00:49:03.958>international <00:49:04.113>Women's <00:49:04.269>Day, <00:49:04.425>uh,

916
00:49:07.135 --> 00:49:08.515
<00:49:07.135>we <00:49:07.383>know <00:49:07.631>that <00:49:07.880>are <00:49:08.128>other <00:49:08.377>groups

917
00:49:08.515 --> 00:49:11.835
<00:49:08.515>that <00:49:08.670>are <00:49:08.826>also <00:49:08.981>not <00:49:09.137>well <00:49:09.292>represented, <00:49:09.448>and <00:49:09.603>that's <00:49:09.759>a <00:49:09.915>shame.

918
00:49:12.255 --> 00:49:16.315
<00:49:12.255>Uh, <00:49:12.371>we <00:49:12.488>know <00:49:12.605>we, <00:49:12.721>we <00:49:12.838>need <00:49:12.955>more <00:49:13.071>diversity <00:49:13.188>in, <00:49:13.305>in <00:49:13.421>order <00:49:13.538>to <00:49:13.655>have,

919
00:49:16.415 --> 00:49:18.035
<00:49:16.415>uh, <00:49:16.881>more <00:49:17.348>thriving <00:49:17.815>environment

920
00:49:18.035 --> 00:49:21.595
<00:49:18.035>and <00:49:18.268>to <00:49:18.501>create <00:49:18.734>also, <00:49:18.968>uh, <00:49:19.201>better <00:49:19.435>products.

921
00:49:24.335 --> 00:49:28.075
<00:49:24.335>So <00:49:24.490>thank <00:49:24.646>you <00:49:24.801>very, <00:49:24.957>very <00:49:25.112>much <00:49:25.268>for <00:49:25.423>listening <00:49:25.579>to <00:49:25.735>me.

922
00:49:28.815 --> 00:49:30.835
<00:49:28.815>Um, <00:49:29.015>I <00:49:29.215>would <00:49:29.415>love <00:49:29.615>to <00:49:29.815>hear <00:49:30.015>from <00:49:30.215>you.

923
00:49:30.995 --> 00:49:32.795
<00:49:30.995>I <00:49:31.228>mean, <00:49:31.461>these <00:49:31.694>are <00:49:31.928>my, <00:49:32.161>my <00:49:32.395>contacts.

924
00:49:33.135 --> 00:49:36.075
<00:49:33.135>You <00:49:33.310>can <00:49:33.485>find <00:49:33.660>me <00:49:33.835>on <00:49:34.010>GitHub, <00:49:34.185>on, <00:49:34.360>on <00:49:34.535>Mastodon,

925
00:49:36.775 --> 00:49:37.915
<00:49:36.775>uh, <00:49:37.117>also <00:49:37.459>in <00:49:37.801>Discord.

926
00:49:38.845 --> 00:49:41.025
<00:49:38.845>Uh, <00:49:39.078>if <00:49:39.311>you <00:49:39.544>are <00:49:39.778>on <00:49:40.011>in <00:49:40.245>Portugal

927
00:49:41.045 --> 00:49:45.305
<00:49:41.045>or <00:49:41.200>if <00:49:41.356>you, <00:49:41.511>uh, <00:49:41.667>understand <00:49:41.822>Portuguese, <00:49:41.978>I, <00:49:42.133>I'm <00:49:42.289>a <00:49:42.445>regular,

928
00:49:45.925 --> 00:49:49.265
<00:49:45.925>uh, <00:49:46.125>guest <00:49:46.325>at <00:49:46.525>the <00:49:46.725>Ubuntu, <00:49:46.925>Portugal, <00:49:47.125>uh, <00:49:47.325>podcast.

929
00:49:50.165 --> 00:49:53.305
<00:49:50.165>Uh, <00:49:50.320>so <00:49:50.476>I, <00:49:50.631>I, <00:49:50.787>I <00:49:50.942>have <00:49:51.098>some <00:49:51.253>episodes <00:49:51.409>already <00:49:51.565>there,

930
00:49:53.845 --> 00:49:58.065
<00:49:53.845>and <00:49:53.984>I'm <00:49:54.125>also, <00:49:54.265>uh, <00:49:54.404>the <00:49:54.544>organizer <00:49:54.685>of <00:49:54.825>Geo <00:49:54.964>Mob, <00:49:55.105>uh, <00:49:55.245>Lisbon.

931
00:49:58.525 --> 00:50:01.465
<00:49:58.525>Uh, <00:49:58.665>and <00:49:58.805>by <00:49:58.945>the <00:49:59.085>way, <00:49:59.225>there <00:49:59.365>will <00:49:59.505>be <00:49:59.645>an <00:49:59.785>event, <00:49:59.925>um,

932
00:50:01.845 --> 00:50:05.905
<00:50:01.845>at <00:50:01.952>the <00:50:02.060>8th <00:50:02.168>of <00:50:02.275>May, <00:50:02.383>so, <00:50:02.491>uh, <00:50:02.598>in, <00:50:02.706>in, <00:50:02.814>in <00:50:02.921>a <00:50:03.029>couple <00:50:03.137>of <00:50:03.245>months.

933
00:50:06.045 --> 00:50:08.785
<00:50:06.045>So <00:50:06.200>if <00:50:06.356>you <00:50:06.511>are <00:50:06.667>in <00:50:06.822>Lisbon, <00:50:06.978>uh, <00:50:07.133>the <00:50:07.289>event <00:50:07.445>is,

934
00:50:08.845 --> 00:50:10.825
<00:50:08.845>is <00:50:09.125>all <00:50:09.404>in <00:50:09.685>English, <00:50:09.964>uh, <00:50:10.245>and,

935
00:50:10.845 --> 00:50:14.145
<00:50:10.845>and <00:50:11.000>you <00:50:11.156>want <00:50:11.311>to <00:50:11.467>hear <00:50:11.622>about <00:50:11.778>stories <00:50:11.933>about, <00:50:12.089>uh, <00:50:12.245>geospatial,

936
00:50:14.325 --> 00:50:16.065
<00:50:14.325>uh, <00:50:15.024>uses <00:50:15.725>and,

937
00:50:16.165 --> 00:50:20.185
<00:50:16.165>and, <00:50:16.445>uh, <00:50:16.725>um, <00:50:17.005>geospatial <00:50:17.285>tech, <00:50:17.565>uh,

938
00:50:20.535 --> 00:50:22.105
<00:50:20.535>into, <00:50:21.234>uh, <00:50:21.935>storytelling.

939
00:50:22.645 --> 00:50:25.025
<00:50:22.645>Uh, <00:50:22.878>please <00:50:23.111>join, <00:50:23.345>uh, <00:50:23.578>geo <00:50:23.811>mob <00:50:24.045>policeman.

940
00:50:26.785 --> 00:50:29.515
<00:50:26.785>So <00:50:26.940>I <00:50:27.096>think, <00:50:27.251>I <00:50:27.407>think <00:50:27.562>this <00:50:27.718>was <00:50:27.873>all <00:50:28.029>for <00:50:28.185>me.

941
00:50:30.295 --> 00:50:33.475
<00:50:30.295>Um, <00:50:30.495>I <00:50:30.695>dunno <00:50:30.895>if <00:50:31.095>there <00:50:31.295>are <00:50:31.495>any <00:50:31.695>questions.

942
00:50:35.365 --> 00:50:39.235
<00:50:35.365>Hello <00:50:35.504>again, <00:50:35.645>Jenna. <00:50:35.785>Um, <00:50:35.924>yeah, <00:50:36.064>we, <00:50:36.205>we <00:50:36.345>got <00:50:36.484>some <00:50:36.625>time <00:50:36.765>left

943
00:50:39.415 --> 00:50:43.635
<00:50:39.415>so <00:50:39.531>we <00:50:39.648>could, <00:50:39.765>uh, <00:50:39.881>talk <00:50:39.998>a <00:50:40.115>bit <00:50:40.231>further <00:50:40.348>if <00:50:40.465>that's <00:50:40.581>okay <00:50:40.698>with <00:50:40.815>you.

944
00:50:45.185 --> 00:50:48.555
<00:50:45.185>Sure. <00:50:45.465>For <00:50:45.745>example, <00:50:46.025>um, <00:50:46.305>you <00:50:46.585>already

945
00:50:49.505 --> 00:50:53.355
<00:50:49.505>told <00:50:49.612>us <00:50:49.720>a <00:50:49.828>bit <00:50:49.935>about <00:50:50.043>like <00:50:50.151>what <00:50:50.258>it <00:50:50.366>is <00:50:50.474>to <00:50:50.581>be <00:50:50.689>in <00:50:50.797>Depth <00:50:50.905>Rail

946
00:50:53.495 --> 00:50:54.515
<00:50:53.495>during <00:50:53.953>your <00:50:54.413>talk,

947
00:50:54.855 --> 00:50:57.275
<00:50:54.855>but <00:50:55.055>would <00:50:55.255>you <00:50:55.455>mind <00:50:55.655>sharing <00:50:55.855>with <00:50:56.055>the <00:50:56.255>audience

948
00:50:57.275 --> 00:50:59.915
<00:50:57.275>and <00:50:57.430>me, <00:50:57.586>um, <00:50:57.741>a <00:50:57.897>bit <00:50:58.052>about <00:50:58.208>your <00:50:58.363>tech <00:50:58.519>journey, <00:50:58.675>like

949
00:51:00.255 --> 00:51:03.155
<00:51:00.255>how <00:51:00.410>you <00:51:00.566>became <00:51:00.721>interested <00:51:00.877>in <00:51:01.032>tech <00:51:01.188>in <00:51:01.343>the <00:51:01.499>first <00:51:01.655>place,

950
00:51:03.695 --> 00:51:05.715
<00:51:03.695>and <00:51:03.975>what <00:51:04.255>were <00:51:04.535>your <00:51:04.815>steps <00:51:05.095>to

951
00:51:06.625 --> 00:51:08.715
<00:51:06.625>come <00:51:06.825>into <00:51:07.025>the <00:51:07.225>position <00:51:07.425>that <00:51:07.625>you <00:51:07.825>are <00:51:08.025>now?

952
00:51:10.585 --> 00:51:15.555
<00:51:10.585>Sure. <00:51:10.712>So, <00:51:10.839>uh, <00:51:10.966>my, <00:51:11.094>my <00:51:11.221>first <00:51:11.348>contact, <00:51:11.475>uh, <00:51:11.603>with <00:51:11.730>tech, <00:51:11.857>I <00:51:11.985>was,

953
00:51:15.575 --> 00:51:19.715
<00:51:15.575>uh, <00:51:15.730>lucky <00:51:15.886>enough <00:51:16.041>to, <00:51:16.197>um, <00:51:16.352>to <00:51:16.508>have <00:51:16.663>contact <00:51:16.819>with, <00:51:16.975>uh,

954
00:51:20.175 --> 00:51:21.315
<00:51:20.175>uh, <00:51:20.688>spectrum <00:51:21.201>Computer.

955
00:51:21.495 --> 00:51:25.515
<00:51:21.495>So <00:51:21.611>when <00:51:21.728>I <00:51:21.845>was <00:51:21.961>very, <00:51:22.078>very <00:51:22.194>small, <00:51:22.311>uh, <00:51:22.428>my <00:51:22.545>dad, <00:51:22.661>uh, <00:51:22.778>bought, <00:51:22.895>uh,

956
00:51:26.215 --> 00:51:29.035
<00:51:26.215>ZX <00:51:26.415>Spectrum <00:51:26.615>computer <00:51:26.815>to <00:51:27.015>me <00:51:27.215>and <00:51:27.415>my <00:51:27.615>brother.

957
00:51:29.395 --> 00:51:31.475
<00:51:29.395>I <00:51:29.570>think <00:51:29.745>this <00:51:29.920>already <00:51:30.095>says <00:51:30.270>something <00:51:30.445>about <00:51:30.620>my <00:51:30.795>age.

958
00:51:32.135 --> 00:51:33.635
<00:51:32.135>Uh, <00:51:32.585>and, <00:51:33.035>uh, <00:51:33.485>and,

959
00:51:33.695 --> 00:51:36.795
<00:51:33.695>and <00:51:33.835>then <00:51:33.975>I, <00:51:34.115>this <00:51:34.255>is <00:51:34.395>when <00:51:34.535>I <00:51:34.675>start, <00:51:34.815>um, <00:51:34.955>you <00:51:35.095>know,

960
00:51:36.795 --> 00:51:39.995
<00:51:36.795>writing <00:51:36.970>some <00:51:37.145>small <00:51:37.320>programs, <00:51:37.495>uh, <00:51:37.670>copying <00:51:37.845>from <00:51:38.020>a <00:51:38.195>book,

961
00:51:40.455 --> 00:51:43.395
<00:51:40.455>and <00:51:40.595>I <00:51:40.735>had <00:51:40.875>a <00:51:41.015>feeling <00:51:41.154>about, <00:51:41.295>uh, <00:51:41.435>what <00:51:41.575>it <00:51:41.715>felt <00:51:41.855>like.

962
00:51:44.215 --> 00:51:48.795
<00:51:44.215>Um, <00:51:44.322>later <00:51:44.430>on, <00:51:44.538>I, <00:51:44.645>I, <00:51:44.753>I <00:51:44.861>did <00:51:44.968>a, <00:51:45.076>I <00:51:45.184>study, <00:51:45.291>I <00:51:45.399>did <00:51:45.507>a <00:51:45.615>PhD

963
00:51:49.655 --> 00:51:52.835
<00:51:49.655>in <00:51:49.935>GIS, <00:51:50.215>uh, <00:51:50.495>geographical <00:51:50.775>information <00:51:51.055>systems.

964
00:51:53.655 --> 00:51:57.075
<00:51:53.655>And <00:51:53.810>this <00:51:53.966>is, <00:51:54.121>uh, <00:51:54.277>at <00:51:54.432>the <00:51:54.588>intersection <00:51:54.743>between, <00:51:54.899>uh, <00:51:55.055>um,

965
00:51:58.355 --> 00:52:00.155
<00:51:58.355>geography <00:51:58.705>and, <00:51:59.055>and, <00:51:59.405>and <00:51:59.755>technology.

966
00:52:01.015 --> 00:52:04.395
<00:52:01.015>Um, <00:52:01.142>at <00:52:01.269>the <00:52:01.396>time, <00:52:01.524>the <00:52:01.651>PhD <00:52:01.778>involved, <00:52:01.905>uh, <00:52:02.033>it <00:52:02.160>was <00:52:02.287>more <00:52:02.415>related

967
00:52:04.455 --> 00:52:06.075
<00:52:04.455>to <00:52:05.154>artificial <00:52:05.855>intelligence.

968
00:52:07.055 --> 00:52:10.275
<00:52:07.055>He <00:52:07.288>had <00:52:07.521>some, <00:52:07.754>uh, <00:52:07.988>component <00:52:08.221>of, <00:52:08.455>uh,

969
00:52:10.425 --> 00:52:11.795
<00:52:10.425>backend <00:52:11.041>and <00:52:11.658>infrastructure.

970
00:52:12.695 --> 00:52:16.795
<00:52:12.695>Uh, <00:52:12.811>and <00:52:12.928>that <00:52:13.045>was, <00:52:13.161>uh, <00:52:13.278>later <00:52:13.395>on <00:52:13.511>the, <00:52:13.628>the <00:52:13.745>area <00:52:13.861>that <00:52:13.978>I, <00:52:14.095>I,

971
00:52:17.155 --> 00:52:19.675
<00:52:17.155>I <00:52:17.435>took <00:52:17.715>more, <00:52:17.995>uh, <00:52:18.275>into <00:52:18.555>heart.

972
00:52:20.335 --> 00:52:21.435
<00:52:20.335>Um, <00:52:20.665>I <00:52:20.995>had <00:52:21.325>some,

973
00:52:21.565 --> 00:52:24.915
<00:52:21.565>after <00:52:21.681>that, <00:52:21.798>I <00:52:21.915>had, <00:52:22.031>I <00:52:22.148>had <00:52:22.265>some <00:52:22.381>roles, <00:52:22.498>most <00:52:22.615>of <00:52:22.731>my <00:52:22.848>roles <00:52:22.965>were,

974
00:52:25.295 --> 00:52:27.635
<00:52:25.295>uh, <00:52:25.575>related <00:52:25.855>to, <00:52:26.135>to <00:52:26.415>geospatial <00:52:26.695>tech.

975
00:52:28.315 --> 00:52:32.755
<00:52:28.315>I <00:52:28.490>did, <00:52:28.665>I <00:52:28.840>did <00:52:29.015>not <00:52:29.190>have, <00:52:29.365>um, <00:52:29.540>uh, <00:52:29.715>strict,

976
00:52:33.295 --> 00:52:37.115
<00:52:33.295>uh, <00:52:33.495>set <00:52:33.695>of, <00:52:33.895>uh, <00:52:34.095>programming <00:52:34.295>languages <00:52:34.495>or <00:52:34.695>technologies

977
00:52:37.215 --> 00:52:38.675
<00:52:37.215>or <00:52:37.543>frameworks <00:52:37.872>that <00:52:38.200>I <00:52:38.529>use.

978
00:52:38.675 --> 00:52:40.395
<00:52:38.675>So <00:52:38.908>I <00:52:39.141>was <00:52:39.375>very <00:52:39.608>flexible <00:52:39.841>about <00:52:40.075>that.

979
00:52:40.555 --> 00:52:44.035
<00:52:40.555>I, <00:52:40.730>I <00:52:40.904>work <00:52:41.080>with <00:52:41.254>many <00:52:41.430>different, <00:52:41.605>uh, <00:52:41.779>programming <00:52:41.955>languages

980
00:52:44.175 --> 00:52:48.915
<00:52:44.175>and, <00:52:44.350>and, <00:52:44.525>um, <00:52:44.700>and <00:52:44.875>environments, <00:52:45.050>but <00:52:45.225>it <00:52:45.400>was <00:52:45.575>more

981
00:52:48.915 --> 00:52:53.755
<00:52:48.915>or <00:52:49.090>less, <00:52:49.265>uh, <00:52:49.440>in <00:52:49.615>that, <00:52:49.790>uh, <00:52:49.965>within <00:52:50.140>that, <00:52:50.315>uh,

982
00:52:54.055 --> 00:52:55.515
<00:52:54.055>set <00:52:54.493>of, <00:52:54.931>uh, <00:52:55.368>interests.

983
00:52:56.115 --> 00:52:59.195
<00:52:56.115>I, <00:52:56.231>I <00:52:56.348>had <00:52:56.464>to <00:52:56.581>say <00:52:56.698>I <00:52:56.814>had <00:52:56.931>some <00:52:57.048>roles <00:52:57.165>that <00:52:57.281>were <00:52:57.398>not <00:52:57.515>related

984
00:52:59.215 --> 00:53:00.275
<00:52:59.215>to <00:52:59.533>Geospacial <00:52:59.851>at <00:53:00.169>all.

985
00:53:00.455 --> 00:53:04.555
<00:53:00.455>Uh, <00:53:00.610>they <00:53:00.766>were, <00:53:00.921>you <00:53:01.077>know, <00:53:01.232>just <00:53:01.388>a, <00:53:01.543>uh, <00:53:01.699>software <00:53:01.855>consultant,

986
00:53:04.815 --> 00:53:07.035
<00:53:04.815>or <00:53:04.970>for <00:53:05.126>instance, <00:53:05.281>when <00:53:05.437>I <00:53:05.592>work <00:53:05.748>at <00:53:05.903>the <00:53:06.059>code <00:53:06.215>school,

987
00:53:07.035 --> 00:53:08.635
<00:53:07.035>that <00:53:07.501>was <00:53:07.968>not, <00:53:08.435>uh,

988
00:53:08.855 --> 00:53:10.835
<00:53:08.855>the <00:53:09.088>bootcamps <00:53:09.321>were <00:53:09.555>in <00:53:09.788>full <00:53:10.021>stack <00:53:10.255>development.

989
00:53:10.835 --> 00:53:12.915
<00:53:10.835>They <00:53:11.035>were <00:53:11.235>not <00:53:11.435>related <00:53:11.635>to <00:53:11.835>Geospacial <00:53:12.035>at <00:53:12.235>all.

990
00:53:13.415 --> 00:53:15.995
<00:53:13.415>But <00:53:13.570>this <00:53:13.726>is <00:53:13.881>an <00:53:14.037>area <00:53:14.192>that <00:53:14.348>I <00:53:14.503>was <00:53:14.659>always <00:53:14.815>interested

991
00:53:16.615 --> 00:53:18.355
<00:53:16.615>and, <00:53:16.848>uh, <00:53:17.081>you <00:53:17.314>know, <00:53:17.548>in <00:53:17.781>my <00:53:18.015>free

992
00:53:18.355 --> 00:53:22.395
<00:53:18.355>and <00:53:18.495>open <00:53:18.635>source, <00:53:18.775>uh, <00:53:18.915>um, <00:53:19.055>hat, <00:53:19.195>when <00:53:19.335>I <00:53:19.475>use <00:53:19.615>my <00:53:19.755>free

993
00:53:22.395 --> 00:53:24.995
<00:53:22.395>and <00:53:22.535>open <00:53:22.675>source <00:53:22.815>hat, <00:53:22.955>I, <00:53:23.095>I <00:53:23.235>contributed <00:53:23.375>to <00:53:23.515>a <00:53:23.655>lot <00:53:23.795>of,

994
00:53:25.020 --> 00:53:27.565
<00:53:25.020>of <00:53:25.370>geospatial, <00:53:25.720>uh, <00:53:26.070>tech <00:53:26.420>projects.

995
00:53:29.895 --> 00:53:32.365
<00:53:29.895>Great. <00:53:30.050>Thank <00:53:30.206>you <00:53:30.361>so <00:53:30.517>much <00:53:30.672>for <00:53:30.828>sharing <00:53:30.983>this <00:53:31.139>with <00:53:31.295>us.

996
00:53:32.865 --> 00:53:36.165
<00:53:32.865>We <00:53:33.064>got <00:53:33.265>a <00:53:33.464>question <00:53:33.665>from <00:53:33.865>the <00:53:34.064>audience. <00:53:34.265>Okay.

997
00:53:36.165 --> 00:53:38.925
<00:53:36.165>Um, <00:53:36.445>based <00:53:36.725>on <00:53:37.005>your <00:53:37.285>direct <00:53:37.565>experience,

998
00:53:39.235 --> 00:53:42.885
<00:53:39.235>what <00:53:39.362>are <00:53:39.489>the <00:53:39.616>things <00:53:39.744>you <00:53:39.871>think <00:53:39.998>help <00:53:40.125>the <00:53:40.253>most <00:53:40.380>in <00:53:40.507>making <00:53:40.635>a

999
00:53:43.085 --> 00:53:44.525
<00:53:43.085>workplace <00:53:43.733>more <00:53:44.381>inclusive?

1000
00:53:49.825 --> 00:53:52.645
<00:53:49.825>Um, <00:53:50.024>yeah, <00:53:50.225>I <00:53:50.424>think <00:53:50.625>that's <00:53:50.825>a <00:53:51.024>great <00:53:51.225>question.

1001
00:53:54.065 --> 00:53:58.085
<00:53:54.065>So, <00:53:54.205>I <00:53:54.345>think, <00:53:54.485>uh, <00:53:54.625>to <00:53:54.765>have <00:53:54.905>a <00:53:55.045>more <00:53:55.185>inclusive, <00:53:55.325>uh, <00:53:55.465>workplace,

1002
00:53:58.345 --> 00:54:03.165
<00:53:58.345>uh, <00:53:58.544>it's, <00:53:58.745>um, <00:53:58.944>it's <00:53:59.145>important <00:53:59.345>to <00:53:59.544>have, <00:53:59.745>uh,

1003
00:54:03.645 --> 00:54:07.205
<00:54:03.645>a <00:54:03.878>supportive <00:54:04.111>environment, <00:54:04.345>a <00:54:04.578>collaborative <00:54:04.811>environment, <00:54:05.045>uh,

1004
00:54:07.255 --> 00:54:10.925
<00:54:07.255>where <00:54:07.488>people <00:54:07.721>are, <00:54:07.955>they <00:54:08.188>feel <00:54:08.421>included, <00:54:08.655>uh,

1005
00:54:11.105 --> 00:54:15.805
<00:54:11.105>so <00:54:11.245>they <00:54:11.385>feel <00:54:11.525>they <00:54:11.665>can, <00:54:11.805>uh, <00:54:11.945>talk, <00:54:12.085>they <00:54:12.225>can <00:54:12.365>ask <00:54:12.505>questions.

1006
00:54:15.875 --> 00:54:18.325
<00:54:15.875>They <00:54:16.108>are <00:54:16.341>not <00:54:16.575>judged <00:54:16.808>by <00:54:17.041>that, <00:54:17.275>uh,

1007
00:54:18.425 --> 00:54:21.805
<00:54:18.425>and <00:54:18.565>they're <00:54:18.705>encouraged, <00:54:18.845>uh, <00:54:18.985>to <00:54:19.125>do <00:54:19.265>things <00:54:19.405>and <00:54:19.545>to <00:54:19.685>help <00:54:19.825>others.

1008
00:54:22.065 --> 00:54:26.405
<00:54:22.065>So <00:54:22.240>I <00:54:22.415>would <00:54:22.590>say, <00:54:22.765>uh, <00:54:22.940>collaboration <00:54:23.115>is <00:54:23.290>extremely <00:54:23.465>important.

1009
00:54:26.665 --> 00:54:31.365
<00:54:26.665>And <00:54:26.865>being, <00:54:27.065>you <00:54:27.265>know, <00:54:27.465>non-judgmental, <00:54:27.665>uh, <00:54:27.865>towards <00:54:28.065>people.

1010
00:54:32.025 --> 00:54:36.125
<00:54:32.025>Uh, <00:54:32.152>if <00:54:32.279>you <00:54:32.406>are <00:54:32.534>in <00:54:32.661>a <00:54:32.788>position <00:54:32.915>of, <00:54:33.043>uh, <00:54:33.170>decision <00:54:33.297>making, <00:54:33.425>um,

1011
00:54:36.485 --> 00:54:40.605
<00:54:36.485>I <00:54:36.601>think <00:54:36.718>it's <00:54:36.835>important <00:54:36.951>to, <00:54:37.068>um, <00:54:37.185>try <00:54:37.301>to <00:54:37.418>recruit <00:54:37.535>in <00:54:37.651>a <00:54:37.768>way <00:54:37.885>that,

1012
00:54:40.945 --> 00:54:44.605
<00:54:40.945>uh, <00:54:41.120>the <00:54:41.295>composition <00:54:41.470>of <00:54:41.645>the <00:54:41.820>workforce <00:54:41.995>can <00:54:42.170>reflect, <00:54:42.345>uh,

1013
00:54:44.605 --> 00:54:48.205
<00:54:44.605>that <00:54:44.805>diversity <00:54:45.005>that <00:54:45.205>will <00:54:45.405>be <00:54:45.605>also <00:54:45.805>a <00:54:46.005>card

1014
00:54:48.395 --> 00:54:51.805
<00:54:48.395>that <00:54:48.570>you <00:54:48.745>will <00:54:48.920>encourage <00:54:49.095>others <00:54:49.270>to, <00:54:49.445>to, <00:54:49.620>to <00:54:49.795>join.

1015
00:54:51.945 --> 00:54:56.645
<00:54:51.945>So <00:54:52.085>when, <00:54:52.225>when <00:54:52.365>the <00:54:52.505>work <00:54:52.645>environment <00:54:52.785>is <00:54:52.925>not, <00:54:53.065>uh, <00:54:53.205>diverse, <00:54:53.345>uh,

1016
00:54:57.475 --> 00:55:00.285
<00:54:57.475>from <00:54:57.615>the <00:54:57.755>start, <00:54:57.895>it's <00:54:58.035>hard <00:54:58.174>to <00:54:58.315>attract <00:54:58.455>people <00:54:58.595>to <00:54:58.735>go <00:54:58.875>there.

1017
00:55:00.625 --> 00:55:03.405
<00:55:00.625>So <00:55:00.780>it's <00:55:00.936>hard <00:55:01.091>to <00:55:01.247>become <00:55:01.402>diverse <00:55:01.558>when <00:55:01.713>it's <00:55:01.869>already <00:55:02.025>diverse,

1018
00:55:03.405 --> 00:55:05.285
<00:55:03.405>then <00:55:03.638>it's <00:55:03.871>easier <00:55:04.105>to <00:55:04.338>become <00:55:04.571>more <00:55:04.805>diverse.

1019
00:55:05.745 --> 00:55:08.845
<00:55:05.745>So <00:55:05.872>if <00:55:05.999>you're <00:55:06.126>in <00:55:06.254>a <00:55:06.381>decision <00:55:06.508>making, <00:55:06.635>uh, <00:55:06.763>position, <00:55:06.890>I <00:55:07.017>would <00:55:07.145>say

1020
00:55:08.845 --> 00:55:11.245
<00:55:08.845>that's <00:55:09.044>something <00:55:09.245>to, <00:55:09.444>to <00:55:09.645>really <00:55:09.845>pay <00:55:10.044>attention <00:55:10.245>to.

1021
00:55:12.185 --> 00:55:14.685
<00:55:12.185>Mm-Hmm. <00:55:12.465>Thank <00:55:12.745>you <00:55:13.025>for <00:55:13.305>that <00:55:13.585>answer.

1022
00:55:15.185 --> 00:55:17.925
<00:55:15.185>Um, <00:55:15.360>we, <00:55:15.535>uh, <00:55:15.710>talked <00:55:15.884>a <00:55:16.060>bit <00:55:16.235>about <00:55:16.410>your <00:55:16.585>career,

1023
00:55:18.585 --> 00:55:21.605
<00:55:18.585>and <00:55:18.740>I <00:55:18.896>asked <00:55:19.051>it, <00:55:19.207>uh, <00:55:19.362>earlier <00:55:19.518>also <00:55:19.673>to, <00:55:19.829>to <00:55:19.985>Kali,

1024
00:55:21.865 --> 00:55:24.725
<00:55:21.865>but <00:55:22.064>also <00:55:22.265>to <00:55:22.464>you <00:55:22.665>during <00:55:22.865>your <00:55:23.064>like, <00:55:23.265>uh,

1025
00:55:25.035 --> 00:55:26.645
<00:55:25.035>developer <00:55:25.501>or <00:55:25.968>tech <00:55:26.435>journey.

1026
00:55:27.145 --> 00:55:30.765
<00:55:27.145>Did <00:55:27.300>you <00:55:27.456>encounter <00:55:27.611>certain <00:55:27.767>points <00:55:27.922>where <00:55:28.078>you <00:55:28.233>really <00:55:28.389>felt <00:55:28.545>that,

1027
00:55:30.865 --> 00:55:35.285
<00:55:30.865>uh, <00:55:31.040>software <00:55:31.214>development <00:55:31.390>is <00:55:31.564>a <00:55:31.740>male <00:55:31.915>dominated, <00:55:32.089>um, <00:55:32.265>field,

1028
00:55:35.425 --> 00:55:37.685
<00:55:35.425>and <00:55:35.658>how <00:55:35.891>did <00:55:36.125>you <00:55:36.358>navigate <00:55:36.591>around <00:55:36.825>them?

1029
00:55:40.295 --> 00:55:43.465
<00:55:40.295>Yeah, <00:55:40.528>absolutely. <00:55:40.761>Uh, <00:55:40.995>I <00:55:41.228>found <00:55:41.461>it, <00:55:41.695>uh,

1030
00:55:43.715 --> 00:55:44.865
<00:55:43.715>especially <00:55:44.060>in <00:55:44.404>the <00:55:44.750>teams.

1031
00:55:45.065 --> 00:55:49.185
<00:55:45.065>I <00:55:45.220>mean, <00:55:45.376>I, <00:55:45.531>I, <00:55:45.687>mm-hmm, <00:55:45.842>it <00:55:45.998>happened, <00:55:46.153>uh, <00:55:46.309>many <00:55:46.465>times

1032
00:55:49.255 --> 00:55:52.105
<00:55:49.255>that <00:55:49.410>I <00:55:49.566>was <00:55:49.721>the <00:55:49.877>only, <00:55:50.032>uh, <00:55:50.188>woman <00:55:50.343>in <00:55:50.499>the <00:55:50.655>team.

1033
00:55:52.645 --> 00:55:57.065
<00:55:52.645>So, <00:55:52.820>uh, <00:55:52.995>sometimes <00:55:53.170>you <00:55:53.345>start, <00:55:53.520>uh, <00:55:53.695>asking <00:55:53.870>yourself, <00:55:54.045>uh,

1034
00:55:57.135 --> 00:56:00.105
<00:55:57.135>whether <00:55:57.275>you <00:55:57.415>know <00:55:57.555>you <00:55:57.695>are, <00:55:57.835>you <00:55:57.975>are <00:55:58.115>in <00:55:58.255>the <00:55:58.395>right <00:55:58.535>place.

1035
00:56:00.765 --> 00:56:04.385
<00:56:00.765>Uh, <00:56:00.920>I <00:56:01.076>think <00:56:01.231>the, <00:56:01.387>the <00:56:01.542>only <00:56:01.698>good <00:56:01.853>thing <00:56:02.009>is, <00:56:02.165>uh,

1036
00:56:04.925 --> 00:56:09.185
<00:56:04.925>around <00:56:05.065>it <00:56:05.205>is <00:56:05.345>that, <00:56:05.485>for <00:56:05.625>instance, <00:56:05.765>in <00:56:05.905>the <00:56:06.045>open <00:56:06.185>source <00:56:06.325>world

1037
00:56:09.415 --> 00:56:10.785
<00:56:09.415>that <00:56:09.826>I, <00:56:10.237>I <00:56:10.647>mentioned

1038
00:56:10.785 --> 00:56:14.145
<00:56:10.785>before, <00:56:10.924>even <00:56:11.065>if <00:56:11.205>it's <00:56:11.345>not <00:56:11.484>as <00:56:11.625>diverse <00:56:11.765>as <00:56:11.904>I <00:56:12.045>would <00:56:12.185>like,

1039
00:56:15.005 --> 00:56:17.905
<00:56:15.005>is <00:56:15.471>extremely, <00:56:15.938>um, <00:56:16.405>supportive.

1040
00:56:18.565 --> 00:56:22.225
<00:56:18.565>Uh, <00:56:18.720>so <00:56:18.876>in <00:56:19.031>that <00:56:19.187>sense, <00:56:19.342>I, <00:56:19.498>I <00:56:19.653>was, <00:56:19.809>you <00:56:19.965>know,

1041
00:56:22.225 --> 00:56:26.125
<00:56:22.225>when <00:56:22.365>I'm <00:56:22.505>in <00:56:22.645>those <00:56:22.785>environments, <00:56:22.924>I'm <00:56:23.065>not <00:56:23.205>reminding <00:56:23.345>that <00:56:23.485>I <00:56:23.625>am

1042
00:56:26.665 --> 00:56:28.965
<00:56:26.665>the <00:56:26.820>only <00:56:26.976>woman <00:56:27.131>in <00:56:27.287>the <00:56:27.442>room, <00:56:27.598>even <00:56:27.753>if <00:56:27.909>I <00:56:28.065>am,

1043
00:56:29.275 --> 00:56:31.725
<00:56:29.275>because <00:56:29.430>they <00:56:29.586>make <00:56:29.741>me <00:56:29.897>feel <00:56:30.052>like <00:56:30.208>part <00:56:30.363>of <00:56:30.519>the <00:56:30.675>group.

1044
00:56:31.905 --> 00:56:34.405
<00:56:31.905>And <00:56:32.060>I <00:56:32.216>think <00:56:32.371>that's, <00:56:32.527>you <00:56:32.682>know, <00:56:32.838>a <00:56:32.993>big <00:56:33.149>thumb <00:56:33.305>up

1045
00:56:34.505 --> 00:56:35.605
<00:56:34.505>to, <00:56:34.752>to <00:56:35.000>them <00:56:35.247>for <00:56:35.495>that.

1046
00:56:35.835 --> 00:56:36.835
Yeah.

1047
00:56:38.345 --> 00:56:42.125
<00:56:38.345>That's <00:56:38.500>beautiful. <00:56:38.656>Thank <00:56:38.811>you <00:56:38.967>for <00:56:39.122>sharing <00:56:39.278>this <00:56:39.433>also <00:56:39.589>as <00:56:39.745>well.

1048
00:56:42.585 --> 00:56:44.885
<00:56:42.585>And <00:56:42.865>maybe <00:56:43.145>as <00:56:43.425>a <00:56:43.705>closing <00:56:43.985>question,

1049
00:56:45.305 --> 00:56:49.565
<00:56:45.305>do <00:56:45.460>you <00:56:45.616>have <00:56:45.771>some <00:56:45.927>general <00:56:46.082>advice <00:56:46.238>for <00:56:46.393>young <00:56:46.549>female <00:56:46.705>developers

1050
00:56:49.585 --> 00:56:54.045
<00:56:49.585>who <00:56:49.701>want <00:56:49.818>to <00:56:49.935>start <00:56:50.051>out <00:56:50.168>in <00:56:50.285>tech <00:56:50.401>but <00:56:50.518>don't <00:56:50.635>exactly <00:56:50.751>know <00:56:50.868>how <00:56:50.985>to,

1051
00:56:54.185 --> 00:56:57.005
<00:56:54.185>or <00:56:54.360>what, <00:56:54.535>like <00:56:54.710>the, <00:56:54.884>the <00:56:55.060>first <00:56:55.235>steps <00:56:55.410>would <00:56:55.585>be?

1052
00:56:59.035 --> 00:57:00.045
<00:56:59.035>Sure. <00:56:59.944>Yeah.

1053
00:57:00.085 --> 00:57:03.165
<00:57:00.085>I, <00:57:00.201>I <00:57:00.318>wanna, <00:57:00.435>one <00:57:00.551>of <00:57:00.668>the <00:57:00.785>things <00:57:00.901>that <00:57:01.018>I, <00:57:01.135>I <00:57:01.251>would <00:57:01.368>encourage <00:57:01.485>them

1054
00:57:03.165 --> 00:57:07.405
<00:57:03.165>to <00:57:03.320>do <00:57:03.476>is <00:57:03.631>to, <00:57:03.787>um, <00:57:03.942>to <00:57:04.098>choose, <00:57:04.253>uh, <00:57:04.409>you <00:57:04.565>know,

1055
00:57:07.545 --> 00:57:10.805
<00:57:07.545>choose <00:57:07.720>wisely <00:57:07.895>the <00:57:08.070>positions <00:57:08.245>where, <00:57:08.420>where <00:57:08.595>you <00:57:08.770>are <00:57:08.945>going,

1056
00:57:10.995 --> 00:57:15.125
<00:57:10.995>because <00:57:11.122>you <00:57:11.249>can <00:57:11.376>avoid <00:57:11.504>a <00:57:11.631>lot <00:57:11.758>of, <00:57:11.885>uh, <00:57:12.013>stress <00:57:12.140>or <00:57:12.267>even <00:57:12.395>burnout.

1057
00:57:15.985 --> 00:57:19.205
<00:57:15.985>Um, <00:57:16.185>and <00:57:16.385>you <00:57:16.585>can <00:57:16.785>avoid <00:57:16.985>also <00:57:17.185>being, <00:57:17.385>uh,

1058
00:57:19.855 --> 00:57:22.925
<00:57:19.855>constantly <00:57:20.010>hopping <00:57:20.166>from <00:57:20.321>one <00:57:20.477>role <00:57:20.632>to <00:57:20.788>the <00:57:20.943>other, <00:57:21.099>which <00:57:21.255>is,

1059
00:57:23.265 --> 00:57:24.565
<00:57:23.265>I'm <00:57:23.557>talking <00:57:23.850>about <00:57:24.142>my <00:57:24.435>experience,

1060
00:57:24.565 --> 00:57:25.725
<00:57:24.565>this <00:57:24.773>is <00:57:24.982>what <00:57:25.191>happened <00:57:25.400>to <00:57:25.609>me.

1061
00:57:25.985 --> 00:57:29.845
<00:57:25.985>So <00:57:26.112>I <00:57:26.239>didn't <00:57:26.366>pay <00:57:26.494>attention <00:57:26.621>to <00:57:26.748>the, <00:57:26.875>uh, <00:57:27.003>to, <00:57:27.130>to <00:57:27.257>the, <00:57:27.385>the,

1062
00:57:31.205 --> 00:57:33.185
<00:57:31.205>the <00:57:31.360>quality <00:57:31.516>of <00:57:31.671>the <00:57:31.827>role <00:57:31.982>that <00:57:32.138>I <00:57:32.293>was <00:57:32.449>taking <00:57:32.605>in.

1063
00:57:33.185 --> 00:57:36.665
<00:57:33.185>When <00:57:33.325>I <00:57:33.465>say <00:57:33.605>quality, <00:57:33.745>I'm <00:57:33.884>not <00:57:34.025>talking <00:57:34.165>only <00:57:34.305>about <00:57:34.445>the, <00:57:34.585>uh,

1064
00:57:36.855 --> 00:57:38.825
<00:57:36.855>technical <00:57:37.205>specifications <00:57:37.555>of <00:57:37.905>the <00:57:38.255>role,

1065
00:57:38.885 --> 00:57:41.545
<00:57:38.885>but <00:57:39.025>the <00:57:39.165>overall <00:57:39.305>role, <00:57:39.445>I <00:57:39.585>did <00:57:39.725>not <00:57:39.865>pay <00:57:40.005>attention <00:57:40.145>to <00:57:40.285>that.

1066
00:57:41.925 --> 00:57:44.145
<00:57:41.925>And <00:57:42.080>that <00:57:42.236>led <00:57:42.391>me <00:57:42.547>to <00:57:42.702>take <00:57:42.858>roles <00:57:43.013>that, <00:57:43.169>you <00:57:43.325>know,

1067
00:57:44.145 --> 00:57:47.745
<00:57:44.145>after <00:57:44.261>a <00:57:44.378>while, <00:57:44.495>I, <00:57:44.611>I <00:57:44.728>was <00:57:44.845>not <00:57:44.961>happy <00:57:45.078>and <00:57:45.195>I <00:57:45.311>had <00:57:45.428>to <00:57:45.545>leave.

1068
00:57:48.245 --> 00:57:50.465
<00:57:48.245>So <00:57:48.420>I, <00:57:48.595>I <00:57:48.770>think <00:57:48.944>in <00:57:49.120>order <00:57:49.295>to <00:57:49.470>avoid <00:57:49.645>that,

1069
00:57:50.465 --> 00:57:53.785
<00:57:50.465>because <00:57:50.640>it's <00:57:50.815>very, <00:57:50.990>um, <00:57:51.165>exhausting <00:57:51.340>to <00:57:51.515>be <00:57:51.690>doing <00:57:51.865>that,

1070
00:57:54.325 --> 00:57:58.545
<00:57:54.325>and <00:57:54.452>it <00:57:54.579>can <00:57:54.706>even <00:57:54.834>lead <00:57:54.961>to, <00:57:55.088>uh, <00:57:55.215>you <00:57:55.343>know, <00:57:55.470>feelings <00:57:55.597>of <00:57:55.725>wanting

1071
00:57:58.605 --> 00:58:01.865
<00:57:58.605>to <00:57:58.745>give <00:57:58.885>up, <00:57:59.025>uh, <00:57:59.165>you <00:57:59.305>know, <00:57:59.445>pay <00:57:59.585>attention <00:57:59.725>when <00:57:59.865>you <00:58:00.005>go

1072
00:58:01.865 --> 00:58:03.785
<00:58:01.865>to <00:58:02.214>a <00:58:02.564>job <00:58:02.915>interview, <00:58:03.265>remember

1073
00:58:03.785 --> 00:58:05.505
<00:58:03.785>that <00:58:04.065>you <00:58:04.345>are <00:58:04.625>also <00:58:04.904>interviewing <00:58:05.185>them.

1074
00:58:05.965 --> 00:58:09.865
<00:58:05.965>So <00:58:06.092>look <00:58:06.219>at <00:58:06.346>the, <00:58:06.474>at <00:58:06.601>the <00:58:06.728>person <00:58:06.855>you <00:58:06.983>are <00:58:07.110>talking <00:58:07.237>to, <00:58:07.365>try

1075
00:58:09.865 --> 00:58:12.305
<00:58:09.865>to <00:58:10.020>meet <00:58:10.176>the <00:58:10.331>team, <00:58:10.487>see <00:58:10.642>how <00:58:10.798>diverse <00:58:10.953>it <00:58:11.109>is, <00:58:11.265>if,

1076
00:58:12.305 --> 00:58:14.425
<00:58:12.305>even <00:58:12.480>if <00:58:12.654>it's <00:58:12.830>not <00:58:13.004>diverse, <00:58:13.180>if <00:58:13.355>the <00:58:13.529>people <00:58:13.705>there

1077
00:58:15.095 --> 00:58:17.505
<00:58:15.095>seem <00:58:15.444>supportive, <00:58:15.794>seem <00:58:16.145>friendly, <00:58:16.495>uh,

1078
00:58:17.785 --> 00:58:21.385
<00:58:17.785>I <00:58:17.924>think <00:58:18.065>all <00:58:18.205>these <00:58:18.345>things <00:58:18.484>matter <00:58:18.625>ultimately, <00:58:18.765>uh, <00:58:18.904>in, <00:58:19.045>in <00:58:19.185>order

1079
00:58:21.525 --> 00:58:25.905
<00:58:21.525>to <00:58:21.641>keep <00:58:21.758>you <00:58:21.875>on <00:58:21.991>the, <00:58:22.108>on <00:58:22.225>the <00:58:22.341>career, <00:58:22.458>on <00:58:22.575>the <00:58:22.691>tech <00:58:22.808>career <00:58:22.925>path.

1080
00:58:28.025 --> 00:58:29.275
<00:58:28.025>Jana, <00:58:28.250>thank <00:58:28.475>you. <00:58:28.700>What <00:58:28.925>good <00:58:29.150>words

1081
00:58:29.535 --> 00:58:30.875
<00:58:29.535>to <00:58:29.776>end <00:58:30.017>the <00:58:30.258>talk <00:58:30.499>like <00:58:30.741>this?

1082
00:58:31.685 --> 00:58:34.355
<00:58:31.685>Thank <00:58:31.801>you <00:58:31.918>for <00:58:32.035>the <00:58:32.151>talk <00:58:32.268>and <00:58:32.384>thank <00:58:32.501>you <00:58:32.618>for <00:58:32.735>the <00:58:32.851>q <00:58:32.968>and <00:58:33.085>a.

1083
00:58:34.375 --> 00:58:37.315
<00:58:34.375>It <00:58:34.491>was <00:58:34.608>a <00:58:34.725>pleasure <00:58:34.841>having <00:58:34.958>you <00:58:35.075>today <00:58:35.191>on <00:58:35.308>the <00:58:35.425>Women <00:58:35.541>in <00:58:35.658>Tech <00:58:35.775>Day,

1084
00:58:37.575 --> 00:58:40.475
<00:58:37.575>and <00:58:37.714>hopefully <00:58:37.855>we <00:58:37.995>see <00:58:38.134>each <00:58:38.274>other <00:58:38.415>again <00:58:38.555>on <00:58:38.694>another <00:58:38.835>live <00:58:38.975>day.

1085
00:58:41.125 --> 00:58:43.515
<00:58:41.125>Thank <00:58:41.300>you <00:58:41.475>very <00:58:41.650>much. <00:58:41.825>At <00:58:42.000>the <00:58:42.175>International <00:58:42.350>Women's <00:58:42.525>Day,

1086
00:58:43.515 --> 00:58:43.915
<00:58:43.515>to <00:58:43.875>everyone.